EP164: TPUSA's Identity Crisis: The Big Tent & Islam Dilemma
On Episode 164 of Loomer Unleashed, Laura will be discussing the massive IDENTITY CRISIS at TPUSA’s AmFest. Charlie Kirk warned us that Islam was a threat to the West, and he never said TPUSA was a place where “everyone was welcome” despite messaging we saw from Tucker Carlson, VP JD Vance and other AmFest speakers.Show more How can someone say we are a Christian nation while their close associate Tucker Qatarlson is promoting an ideology that wants to destroy America and is mass murdering Christians all around the world?
We must protect the America First movement from antisemitism and Islamism creeping inside the tent under the guise of "free speech."
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Lots to talk about tonight.
We saw the conclusion of America Fest, Amfest, as they call it, TPUSA, the first Amfest hosted in Arizona since the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk, the founder of TPUSA.
I did not attend Amfest this year.
I was planning on it.
I had tickets to go, but just, you know, with just my travel schedule, I was at the White House last week.
I was at the White House the week before that.
It was just very chaotic.
And so I did not really have a lot of time to be traveling.
But of course, I did watch from home, even though I did not attend.
I watched a lot of the speeches.
And I guess what's really apparent to everybody is that the conservative movement is completely falling apart.
There's this massive festival that costs millions of dollars to be put together to be held in Arizona every single year.
And they draw, you know, the largest, largest, probably like the largest audiences out of any conservative conference in the country.
I would say that Amfest has probably taken over CPAC in terms of being the largest conservative gathering.
So that's really good for Turning Point USA.
Congratulations to them.
But you would think that the conservative movement would be united ahead of the 2026 midterms.
We have the midterms coming up.
Everybody now is getting done with Hanukkah.
Today's the last day of Hanukkah.
Hanukkah is officially over tonight.
And then you have Christmas, New Year, and everybody's supposed to feel really energized and excited.
I remember in 2023, before 2024, everybody was super excited doing a countdown around November.
Oh, you know, it's now officially one year away.
We're one year away until the election, you guys.
I'm not really seeing that.
Like, I haven't seen anybody do any official countdowns for the upcoming midterm elections in November 2026.
The GOP strategy for midterms seems very discombobulated.
It seems like every conservative commentator, every single conservative journalist, every single conservative pundit, you name it, right?
Everybody is gunning for each other.
And it seems like, you know, the writing is really on the wall for the Republican Party because President Trump is the individual.
He's the person, always has been the person who has to lead the party from the top of the ticket.
He's always had to be the person to have to carry water, to carry all of the weight on his shoulders for the entire party.
And that is coming to an end.
We saw the amazing political comeback with President Trump in November of 2024, the probably the biggest political comeback in U.S. history.
But will we see that political comeback as it relates to the benefits, what they call the coattails, right?
The coattail benefits of the incumbent being at the top of the ballot, the president being at the top of the ballot on the ticket.
They call those coattail victories.
Will we see those coattail wins be replicated or at least maintained over the next three years while we have President Trump in the White House and after?
What is a post-Trump GOP going to look like?
That is what everybody is grappling with.
Because look, will President Trump be around after he leaves office?
Yeah, I we all want Donald Trump to live forever.
Personally, I wish we could like cryogenically freeze President Trump and then, you know, like save his body in a freezer and then have a bunch of scientists work out how we can cryogenically freeze people and then bring them back to life.
I wish we could have President Trump forever.
I wish President Trump could be president forever.
I love President Trump.
I personally don't think that we're ever going to see another president or another leader as effective as Donald Trump or as transformative as Donald Trump.
He is an amazing president, my personal hero.
And he really is single-handedly the motive, not only the motivational force that drives Republicans out to the polls, not just Republicans, first-time voters, independents, Democrats, unaffiliated voters, independents, you name it, right?
Whatever, whatever you fall into, whatever category you may fall into.
Not only has Donald Trump over the last 10 years been this, the largest motivational force driving those people to the polls, but he's also been the adhesive, the glue, keeping everything together.
Because as we have seen, Republicans really seem incapable of not just winning, but maintaining wins and also leading unless Donald Trump is at the top of the ballot.
I mean, just look at what a disaster it was in our country the last four years when Joe Biden was occupying the presidency, occupying the White House, and we had Republicans that just seemed really incapable.
They didn't really seem to be able to lead until Donald Trump announced that he was running for reelection for president.
And now we find ourselves in the same situation where President Trump has to, you know, work 20 hours a day.
He has a broken economy that he inherited from Joe Biden that he is trying to fix.
He has to manage all the tariffs.
He has to manage the mass deportation campaign in our country with the judicial coup happening where you have all these radical leftist activist judges blocking him every step of the way.
You have, You know, petty Republicans like Marjorie Trader Green and Thomas Massey who want to get revenge on President Trump because he wouldn't endorse their, you know, their Senate campaigns or their gubernatorial campaigns.
And now they're trying to burn the entire party down and hand it to the Democrats in an effort to spite the president.
You have so much that the president has to deal with.
You know, the occasional tragedy.
We just had the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Like there are things that are unexpected that happen in addition to the already jam-packed, busy schedule, the president of the United States that he is tasked with dealing with on a daily basis.
And you have to ask yourself at some point, what do these Republicans do all day?
Like, what are they actually doing to make Trump's life easier?
What are they actually doing to codify President Trump's agenda?
What are they doing to help us, you know, help us drive Republicans to the polls ahead of these midterm elections?
What are they doing?
Because it doesn't really seem like the Republicans have much of a strategy.
It seems like over the last year, the largest podcasters and the largest pundits and the most popular pundits on the right have just been obsessed with talking about Israel and Jews and October 7th.
And while we can have policy debates, I'm not saying that you're not allowed to criticize Israel.
You're not allowed to, you know, talk about Israel.
You're not allowed to have a conversation or a dialogue or a debate about our foreign policy.
You can do that.
It's totally fine.
It feels like there really has just been such an imbalance over the last year-really just two years, but since President Trump has won reelection since the inauguration, there's really just been such an imbalance.
When you look at the rhetoric and the points of focus and the topics of discussion amongst conservatives, the things that they're talking about, I mean, like, even at turning point this weekend, a lot of people were just talking about USS Liberty.
It's like, okay, how does this have anything to do with the upcoming midterm elections?
What does this have to do with ending political violence in America?
We are now three years, a little, you know, close to four months post the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Like, what does this have to do with any of those topics?
What does it have to do with it?
And it caused a lot of infighting.
We, on the last episode of Loomer Unleashed, went through a lot of the different speeches.
You know, you had Ben Shapiro, you had Tucker Carlson, you had Megan Kelly, you had Jack Pesobic.
And all we saw was this theme of nonstop infighting.
Now, people will criticize, and I'm not really a big Ben Shapiro fan.
I mean, he's kept me, he's like been a big gatekeeper.
He's kept me out of, you know, the conservative movement for a while, I would say, in terms of like being able to really mainstream myself.
I mean, I've been, I was banned from appearing on Daily Wire.
I was not allowed to go on any of the Daily Wire shows.
I was not allowed to like be featured on any of their websites.
So I'll say, like, I'm not a huge Ben Shapiro fan.
I'm not really a fan of any of the gatekeeping by the people.
And the money that he did decide to invest into talent really backfired on him because he created a bunch of anti-Semites, right?
Like, if you look at the people who Ben Shapiro really fast-tracked into stardom and fame in the conservative movement, his media empire really hard-launched the careers of the most vicious anti-Semites in America, which is ironic because, you know, I'm Jewish and, you know, people like to say, oh, the Jews control everything.
Well, you know, I don't remember Ben Shapiro ever helping me when I got banned everywhere or when I was silenced, when I was deplatformed, when I was debanked.
That being said, even though I'm not a super Shapiro fan, and I think a lot of the problems that he's experiencing, he created by trying to sideline people that probably would have been allies to him while promoting people who were just trying to use companies created by Jewish people, use Jewish donor money to launch their careers.
I will say I think that Ben Shapiro probably gave the best speech at Amfest.
It was probably the most important speech at Amfest.
Of course, Erica Kirk had a lot to say too.
I'm not talking about Erica Kirk.
I'm talking about people outside of Erica Kirk.
I think that Ben Shapiro had the best speech because it really addressed the elephants in the room, which is like, when is Turning Point USA going to address the fact that, you know, they are associated with a lot of these people who are spreading conspiracy theories about Charlie Kirk's assassination, who are trying to spread crazy amounts of Jew hatred and support for Islamic causes in America.
Of course, I'm talking about Candace Owens and I'm talking about Tucker Carlson and I'm talking about the way that they are trying to mainstream people who have always hated Charlie Kirk or they are trying to mainstream people who are, you know, anti-Trump, people who are promoting hatred and a lot of division within the Republican Party.
I mean, that is a fact.
And so Ben Shapiro's speech, of course, was then the focus of criticism from speakers after Ben, like Steve Bannon, who called him a cancer.
And then, you know, you had Megan Kelly.
You had Candace Owens respond to him in a very Louis Farrakhan style unhinged rant in which she held up a copy of the Talmudic Jew.
And I don't know, just really showing her true colors as if, you know, we don't already know what those colors are.
It's safe to say that Candace Owens is essentially the female Louis Farrakhan at this point.
Then you saw Megan Kelly saying that, well, she wanted Candace Owens to ask all these questions because she agreed that Candace Owens should ask these questions.
We got to really see that a lot of these people aren't really for Charlie Kirk.
They'ren't really for his widow, Erica Kirk.
They're for being at the center of drama and really getting as much attention as possible.
Of course, Megan Kelly is one of those people that I'm talking about.
But then really what all of this, what like the big crescendo of the event and what all of this really led to was then Vice President JD Vance delivering his speech at Amfest.
And you would think that the Vice President of the United States, and look, I really like JD Vance, don't get me wrong.
I do.
I like JD Vance as a person.
But it is another elephant in the room, right?
Like he's the one who flew out on Air Force 2 to pick up Charlie Kirk's body and bring it back to Arizona with Erica Kirk.
And, you know, they talked about how they're very close friends and how Charlie wanted to endorse JD Vance in 2028 and how Turning Point USA, Turning Point Action was going to dedicate all of their resources to helping JD Vance get elected.
We already knew that, right?
Like I was at Turning Point for a meeting in earlier this year.
I think it was like July, August, September, August, I believe.
I think it was like August.
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I was at Turning Point just a couple of weeks before.
I mean, I've been out in Arizona with some meetings prior to that as well, but I had an actual meeting at Turning Point USA headquarters in August.
And so this is right before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
And the purpose of the meeting that I had, and I saw Charlie while I was there, was because Turning Point wanted to talk to people who had been outspoken as it pertains to the threat of Islam in America.
And also people who had been outspoken against the woke right.
And so I was like, oh, we got to be like really quiet about this.
We got to have this meeting.
We're going to have a conversation about how to address the Islam issue and also like the neo-Nazis.
Like that was the term that was used.
It was how to address the neo-Nazi faction of the GOP.
So like now you have people saying, and a lot of these people who are talking this way are speakers at Turning Point.
We don't have a Nazi problem in the GOP.
We don't have a right-wing extremism problem in the GOP.
We do.
We have a problem.
And when I say a right-wing extremism problem, I mean national socialists and leftists LARPing as conservatives trying to poison the well of the conservative movement ahead of 2026 and 2028.
Okay.
Everybody knows who these people are.
I don't need to get into it, but we do have a problem.
And if there wasn't a problem, I wouldn't have been invited to Turning Point to address this issue and to kind of have this powwow discussion about how to address the threat of Islam and conservatives who were sympathizing with the pro-Hamas Palestinian movement and how to address the growing neo-Nazi, literal national socialist faction within the right.
I say within the right because these people are really leftists.
They all campaigned against Donald Trump in 2024.
And now, of course, they're saying that they would rather support Gavin Newsom over whatever candidate we may have.
Now, I'm sure JD Vance is seeing all of this and it just makes me wonder, like, instead of calling these people out for what they are, you know, it seems like JD Vance has gone the route.
It doesn't seem like we already saw this weekend that he said he wasn't going to do it.
It seems like JD Vance has gone the route of not disavowing these fringe figures who were never going to support him.
They never liked him.
They never liked Trump.
They're never going to vote for Trump again.
They never wanted to vote for Trump in 2024.
And they now have decided that they would rather these personalities would rather get mainstream media attention.
Like it matters more to them that they get attention and notoriety in mainstream media.
And they're willing to have these very unholy alliances with the radical left, with Islamic organizations, with jihadists, with the Intifada Now crowd.
And so, you know, JD Vance is kind of in the middle of all these different factions.
And, you know, you have Turning Point USA that is kind of taking a playbook from Kamala Harris and the Democrat Party where they're like, okay, well, you know, we're just going to have a coronation.
That's what it is.
That's what it was this weekend.
It was a coronation for JD Vance.
Again, I'm not saying that I don't like JD Vance.
I'm not saying that.
I'm not saying that I'm not going to vote for JD Vance, but we generally have a primary process in this country.
Do we not?
Like we generally have primary elections.
So conservatives mock the Democrats for having a coronation of Kamala Harris when Joe Biden dropped out and, you know, it was announced that Kamala Harris was going to be the nominee.
So why is it that we are now having a coronation through a nonprofit organization?
I mean, nonprofits are not really supposed to be using their nonprofit funds for the sake of, you know, political purposes.
Now, Turning Point does have Turning Point Action, which is the political part, but Turning Point's a nonprofit.
So you have a nonprofit organization that is now saying that all of their resources are going to be dedicated to getting JD Vance elected.
That's fine.
I mean, like whatever.
Usually the vice president is the next in line to be the president of the United States.
However, what's not okay is the lack of moral clarity.
So when you are president, as President Trump has seen, or when you are vice president, you don't get to just say, oh, this person is my friend and I'm just going to be loyal to this person.
And I'm not going to, you know, comment on things like, yes, President Trump cares about loyalty.
It's loyalty is important.
I'm a very loyal person too.
But it's not as simple as just saying, oh, this person is my friend.
I can't disavow them.
Let's give an example.
While loyalty is very important, if you are the president or the vice president, and let's just say, hypothetically speaking, somebody that you know carries out a mass shooting or somebody that you know is found with a bunch of child porn on their laptop.
You are not going to be able to say, if this person is like a close advisor to you, you know, I'm a very loyal person.
I'm not going to attack my friends.
If they found a Trevor, like a treasure trove, a massive trove of child pornography on somebody's laptop, they would not, if you were president or vice president, you wouldn't be able to say, oh, you know, this person is my friend.
I'm just, you know, I'm not in the business of disavowing them.
You would have to say, of course, I disavow that.
Like this person's a pedophile.
They should get the death penalty, which is obviously like the correct form of punishment for all pedophiles, right?
I mean, that's what I think.
I think that we should like shoot pedophiles in the head.
Personally, I think pedophiles should be killed in firing squad.
You wouldn't, everybody would be outraged if the president or the vice president had a friend or a close advisor who was caught with child porn on their laptop and they were like, you know, I'm not in the business of purity tests and disavowal.
And so, you know, I'm just not going to do that.
I'm not going to disavow and we're not going to have a purity test.
They'd say like, wait, so child porn is a purity test?
That's what they would say.
Now, of course, this is a very extreme example.
And I'm not saying that President Trump or JD Vance have advisors or friends who, you know, have child porn on their laptop.
But when you are the leader of the party or you're the president or the vice president of America, you have to take positions on things that, you know, sometimes you may not want to have to do, but you have to because you have to be the person that sets the tone for the country.
You have to set the tone for the conversation that you want to have.
You have to set the tone for what you want to see happen or the kind of environment or the type of party that you want to see ahead of an election year.
Right.
That's why President Trump is the leader of the Republican Party.
And so after Ben Shapiro delivers this speech, and two things can be true at once, right?
Like Ben Shapiro was a never Trumper.
That is true.
But at the same time, Ben Shapiro is 100% right about the grifters and the woke right who are trying to destroy our country, destroy President Trump, destroy the Republican Party and usher in Islamism and hardcore Nazism into America.
And yes, it is Nazism.
I'm not a woke leftist.
I'm not one of these people that says Nazi or racism just, you know, lightheartedly.
The views that are coming out of the mouth of Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson is a form of Nazism.
It is.
We can dissect their language.
We can look at the props they use.
We can look at the people who they have had on their shows.
When you start saying things like, oh, well, maybe we should have let Hitler win World War II, or oh, maybe Hitler really wasn't so bad after all.
Or Hitler was actually really great and other world leaders should aspire to be like Hitler.
That is your way of trying to manipulate the minds of people with very formidable opinions, impressionable minds, young people, Zoomers, the audience of TPUSA, to usher in Nazism.
I mean, that is Nazism.
That is.
I mean, I'm not going around and saying that, oh, you know, if you wear a red hat, you're a Nazi.
But we do need to look at history and we do need to apply these historical lessons and realize that history has a tendency to repeat itself.
So without a doubt, there are people on the right, very popular people, people who have some of the largest podcasts in our country who are using their platforms to usher in Nazism.
Now, I do believe that the vice president of the United States has a moral obligation to call this out, especially given the fact that not only does Tucker's son work for JD Vance, and I'm not saying that the son needs to be held accountable for his father's sins, but there is this, you know, it's like less than a degree, right?
It's kind of hard to even say that there's one degree of separation when you have literally Tucker Carlson's son working for the vice president of the United States.
You clearly have this very close relationship.
Everybody knows that it was because of Tucker Carlson that JD Vance was able to get into the United States Senate and ultimately get an endorsement from President Trump.
Otherwise, Josh Mandel, who was leading at the time, would have been the senator from the state of Ohio.
So that being said, if JD Vance wants to be the president of the United States after President Trump was so gracious to forgive him for his previous history as a never Trumper, right?
As somebody who also said that Trump was like Hitler, then JD Vance has a moral obligation to call out Tucker Carlson and other individuals who are trying to push these ideas in our country, right?
Like he said it about Trump.
He did say that Trump was Hitler.
And I even said when JD Vance was selected as the vice president nominee that I believe that he had truly come to appreciate President Trump and that like he had shown that he had, you know, stood by President Trump during the 2024 election process and that I thought that he was being genuine.
That's what I said.
I remember tweeting that from the floor of the Republican National Convention.
So I'm not bashing JD Vance, but what I'm saying is that, you know, he used to use the word Hitler and Nazi when he was describing President Trump.
We all saw the text messages that were released by, I guess it was like one of his former friends or so that released the text messages that showed that he previously called President Trump Hitler.
I mean, we could even get it pulled up on the screen here so people can see it.
So this idea that now JD Vance wants us to think that, oh, you're just like so crazy if you want to use the term Hitler or you want to use like Nazism as a comparison to criticize people that you don't agree with.
Isn't that exactly what JD Vance did to President Trump before he was elected to the United States Senate?
Isn't that exactly what JD Vance did that he had to apologize for, right?
You can scroll up and you can see this headline for yourself.
Vance wondered whether Trump was America's Hitler, says former roommate sharing a screenshot.
This was from 2022, not that long ago, three years ago.
We can scroll down and we can look at those messages.
Scroll down.
He said, I go back and forth between thinking Trump is a cynical asshole like Nixon, who wouldn't be that bad and might even prove to be useful, or that he's America's Hitler.
How's that for discouraging?
Vance writes in the message.
In the tweet, McLaren said the public deserves to know the magnitude of this guy's bad faith.
And then in a statement, Vance's campaign manager, Jordan Wiggins, dismissed the image as old news.
It's laughable that the media treats JD not liking Trump six years ago as some sort of breaking news when they've already covered it to death since this race began.
Clearly, President Trump trusts that JD is a genuine convert, as out of all the Republican candidates running, he endorsed JD and concluded that he is the strongest America first candidate for the race.
Vance's initial distaste for Trump is well established.
Trump's endorsement letter even brings up the most, the quote, not so great things that Vance said about him in the past.
In the screenshot, Vance described his party as, quote, whether we like it or not, the party of lower income, lower education white people and argued that Trump is the fruit of the party's collective neglect.
Now, clearly, JD Vance still recognizes this, or at least he still feels this way.
I'm not saying he feels this way about President Trump, but clearly he still thinks that whether we like it or not, it's the party of lower income, lower educated white people.
Because, you know, growing up in the Rust Belt, this is this is a, this is something, this a real issue that we face in our country.
And I'm not saying I grew up in the Rust Belt.
I'm saying JD Vance.
This is a real issue, this issue of anti-white racism and this issue of DEI policies that have maligned traditionally young white men in America who have been told, oh, you know, you're too white to have that job.
Oh, you're not diverse enough.
Oh, you're not good enough.
And so as a result, you know, we have seen a coalition of people who do share these very anti-Jewish views.
They are now, you know, embracing full-blown national socialist Nazi views.
I'm not saying everybody who feels this way about anti-white racism is embracing these views.
I myself campaigned on the issue of anti-white racism, but because as JD Vance pointed out, the party's collective neglect, right?
He said, Trump is the fruit of the party's collective neglect, pointing out the fact that our party for so long did, in fact, neglect people.
They did.
And in many ways, they still are.
They're still neglecting a lot of white American voters, especially white men, who now have this justified, and you could say, sense of like righteous indignation, pent up anger about how they have been treated as white men in America.
And it is important that we recognize their concerns.
And I think the reason why JD Vance has been able to have so much success as a politician and why he is appealing even to these somewhat fringe characters who he's now refusing to disavow.
And I think it's going to be to the detriment of his own campaign personally.
And we're going to come to see that in 2028.
The reason I think that is because JD Vance grew up that way as a young white man who probably experienced discrimination, experienced poverty.
If you read his book or you watch the film, Hillbilly Elegy, it's a fabulous book and a fabulous film, and it's inspiring.
I'm not taking any of that away from JD Vance.
But while we can address the issue of anti-white racism, we should also be able to address the issue of unhinged levels of just Farrakhan style, Hitler-style Jew hatred that so many of these people in our country are now espousing.
And I don't know if they actually believe this or if it's just pent up frustration and they want to blame Jews for the position that they are in life or blame Jews for these DEI policies or the fact that there is an epidemic of anti-white racism in this country.
But it would be nice if we had leaders in the GOP that would say, look, you are right to feel aggrieved about being attacked for being a white man.
You should be angry.
And it is wrong.
And we are going to take initiatives in the Trump administration to address the issue of anti-white discrimination and anti-white racism, which they are doing.
They are doing that under Harmon Dylan through the Civil Rights Division at the DOJ.
But at the same time, they should be able to say, you know, mainstreaming Hitler, saying Hitler was cool, saying that World War II, you know, we should have allowed for Hitler and the Germans to win World War II, saying things like Jews aren't really inherently American, saying things like Jews should be deported out of America, calling black people niggers, saying that Indians are jeets, calling Jewish people kikes, you know, stuff like that.
We should be able to disavow that as well.
And so it's a little disappointing that JD Vance decided to begin his Amphest speech by saying that he wasn't going to show up with a list of people to disavow because this isn't about, oh, you know, deplatforming people and censoring people.
We're not saying that they're not allowed to have their podcasts or that they're not allowed to attend events, but we should be able to say that that type of rhetoric has no place in the GOP.
Like you can say that you're allowed to say it, but it should not have a place within the GOP.
And that's the problem with this whole big tent narrative is that once you start to allow everybody and anybody and their mother inside the tent, the collective tent of the GOP, you don't actually have an identity anymore.
You don't have an identity anymore because you allow for all these people who are competing to have a place on top with their identarian politics to the point where you destroy and erode the overall message that brought everybody into this tent to begin with.
Let's go ahead and play the clip of JD Vance saying that he's not in the business of disavowing and that he didn't show up to Amfest ready to disavow anybody.
I mean, I think it is time for JD Vance to disavow Tucker Carlson, right?
I mean, he says that his son, Tucker's son, is or should not be held accountable for his father's sins.
Okay, that's that's fine.
I'm willing to agree that we shouldn't be attacking children then, even though I don't really think it's that simple.
I mean, I highly doubt that Buckley Carlson has different views than his father.
But I mean, I have my own internal sources for knowing that information as well.
But regardless, without talking about Buckley Carlson and the fact that he works for JD Vance, I think that the closeness, the proximity that JD Vance has to Tucker Carlson is inappropriate.
And I don't think that it has a place in the GOP.
And so I think that if JD Vance wants to earn everybody's vote, because we don't do coronations, we do have primary processes here.
We have primary elections.
If JD Vance wants to earn everybody's vote for president of the United States, I don't think that it's unrealistic to ask JD Vance to show the moral clarity and to say, yes, you don't have to apologize for being white in America anymore, which is what he said.
And we're going to play that clip momentarily.
But also, you don't have to apologize for being white in America, but we're also not going to be a party that demonizes Jewish people and ushers in Sharia law in America.
And we're not going to be a party that tries to glorify Hitler.
We're just not.
Why can't we say all of those things at the same time?
So let's go ahead and play this clip of JD Vance saying that he didn't show up to Turning Point USA to disavow people, which was 100% a nod to people like Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes.
Side of you, I mean all of you, each and every one.
President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics by running his supporters through endless self-defeating purity tests.
He says, make America great again because every American is invited.
We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor, young or old, rural or urban, controversial or a little bit boring or somewhere in between.
People of every faith come to our banner because they know that the America First Movement will make their lives better.
And they also know that the Democrats don't care about anything other than maybe transing their kids.
So if you love America, if you want all of us to be richer, stronger, safer, and prouder, you have a home on this team.
I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or to de-platform.
And I don't really care if some people out there, I'm sure we'll have the fake news media denounce me after this speech.
But let me just say the best way to honor Charlie is that none of us here should be doing something after Charlie's death that he himself refused to do in life.
He invited all of us here.
Charlie invited all of us here for a reason.
Because he believed that each of us, all of us, had something worth saying.
And he trusted all of you to make your own judgment.
And again, I say this as somebody who wants to see JD Vance have success.
I really like the vice president.
I like him very much.
I get along with him.
I had a private meeting with the vice president.
I really like JD Vance.
I do.
But when you like somebody and when you want them to have success, sometimes you have to give them constructive criticism.
It doesn't mean that I'm a vant hater.
It doesn't mean I'm going to go vote for Gavin Newsome.
I will blow my brains out live on my show before I ever vote for Gavin Newsome.
I would never vote for a Democrat.
I'm not like one of these, you know, never Trumpers who's going to be like, or Marjorie Trader Green who's going to go lock arms with the Democrats, despite whoever's on the ballot.
But because I like JD Vance, I'm going to say this is a very manipulative thing that he said on stage at Turning Point USA.
Oh, you know, I know that Charlie invited all of us here.
Actually, no, Turning Point USA was notorious for gatekeeping.
Everybody wants to pretend like they're Charlie Kirk's best friend now that he was shot in the throat on live television and he's dead.
But there was a lot of resentment.
I mean, I even had some resentment, and I tried to work this out between myself and Turning Point in the last, you know, few weeks before Charlie died.
But Turning Point was notorious for gatekeeping.
They would keep a lot of people off the stage.
They never allowed me to speak.
They would keep people out of the conferences.
I mean, how many times did Nick Fuentes show up to Turning Point USA only to have the cops called on him or, you know, Groypers being thrown out?
I mean, there's videos of that.
You could pull the videos up.
We could show the videos to remind people.
So, no, actually, not everybody was invited to Turning Point USA because there's standards.
And while I, you know, don't dispute the fact that Nick Fuentes is intelligent when it comes to like a wide variety of issues.
I also think that he's his own biggest enemy because he is unable to have alliances with anybody before he bites their head off or before he turns on them.
I find him to be incredibly disloyal.
And I also find him to be his own biggest enemy because even though he may say things sometimes that people agree with, he also says terrible things about Jewish people that really hold him back.
He probably would be mainstream if he would stop saying, you know, do this, do that, nigger this, nigger that.
Just saying, right?
Like when I say mainstream, I'm not saying like mainstream in his popularity.
Clearly, you know, he has reached that level.
I'm talking about like being on national television, which is clearly what he wants because he's decided to form alliances and compromise his principles and his values for the sake of getting on left-wing podcasts and forming alliances with leftists.
Like just a couple of weeks ago, he was saying that he likes illegal aliens, right?
Like first, he was for mass deportations, and now he's saying that he really likes illegal aliens and that illegal aliens are hard workers.
We have that clip as well.
Then he says, oh, we shouldn't have more Muslims in America.
But then he says that we need to have a Christian Muslim alliance and bring more Muslims into America.
First, he says he's a ride or die for Trump, and then he puts up billboards against President Trump.
So we have all these clips, right?
I'm not here to just bash Nick, but what I'm saying is that he was kept out of Turning Point because while Turning Point said, okay, everybody has a right to free speech, Charlie wanted to set standards, right?
And I'm not saying that all of those standards were 100% justified.
Like I was wrongfully maligned.
I didn't do anything wrong.
I'm not going around calling people niggers and kikes.
And I wasn't allowed to speak at Turning Point USA.
But let's stop pretending, like what JD Vance said, is a very manipulative thing for JD to say because it's just completely false.
That, oh, Charlie wanted all of us here.
That's why he invited us.
He didn't.
He was actually shot in the throat by a leftist who, you know, kind of ironically was like into this tranny, furry stuff, which is a lot of what some of these Groypers are into as well.
He wrote Chao Bella on a bullet casing, which ironically is a song that's also on the Groyper playlist.
And as Ben Shapiro pointed out, and again, I hate to actually be referencing Ben Shapiro because I'm not really a big Shapiro fan.
Nick said, oh, the reason why there's so many gripers now at Turning Point USA is because Turning Point was your baby and I fucked it.
And we're going to play all these clips because it's a logical inconsistency.
So let's go ahead and play this clip of him being kicked out of Turning Point because, you know, the big divide right now is whether or not Tucker Carlson is going to be a key advisor or continue to be like this overbearing force in JD Vance's life, which he has been since the beginning of his political career.
And whether or not the vice president of America is going to say, look, you know, I don't agree with you saying we need Sharia law.
I don't agree with you saying we need to bring more Muslims into America.
I don't agree with you trying to mainstream people who call my wife a dirty Jeet, right?
We still haven't even seen a condemnation of this from the Vice President of the United States, who I like and support.
So let's go ahead and play this clip of Nick getting kicked out of Turning Point so that we can show that JD's statement isn't correct.
No, not everybody was invited to Turning Point.
In fact, Turning Point has security cards that escort people out all the time.
This year, it was different.
I don't know.
They seem to allow a lot of people in.
I don't know why.
People who were hypercritical of Charlie, people who are openly promoting Nazism, people who are openly pushing for Islam in America.
I don't really understand why some of these people were allowed to come in.
But what I do know is that when Charlie Kirk was alive, they definitely gatekept because I wasn't even allowed to speak at Turning Point events.
And there was this whole thing about, oh, yeah, she's so controversial, which, you know, up until the time that Charlie was assassinated, Turning Point, I think, started to realize that they had wrongfully maligned me and they were trying to rebuild the relationship with me, right?
And that's why I went out to Turning Point two weeks before Charlie Kirk was assassinated.
So let's go ahead and play this clip because it's just simply not true.
So because he transported Charlie's dead body on Air Force Two, which is commendable.
Now we're seeing the vice president basically say, well, you know, I knew Charlie.
Charlie was my friend.
You know, I brought his dead body back with his widow to Arizona.
I know what Charlie would have wanted.
It's like everybody's reading the mind of a dead man.
I know what Charlie would have wanted.
He would have wanted everybody here, even the people saying that Hitler was cool, which is not the case at all.
So again, what he said is just not true.
I will say, though, one thing that I did agree with what JD Vance said was that, oh, you know, America, in America, you don't have to apologize for being white anymore.
In the United States of America, you don't have to apologize for being white anymore.
And if you're an Asian, you don't have to talk around your skin color when you're applying for college because we judge people based on who they are, not on ethnicity and things they can't control.
But at the same time, the messaging is all over the place, right?
So we were told President Trump didn't build a coalition by, you know, censoring this person or deplatforming this person or doing this or doing that.
I mean, we have a coalition with set standards.
President Trump wants to mass deport illegal aliens, right?
President Trump wants to do a lot of things.
And this is just the easy way out for JD Vance, who, again, I like, I'm not attacking JD Vance, but I'm just saying this is the easy way out for JD Vance to not have to actually establish a sense of moral clarity.
Like it's easy for him to just say, oh, well, you know, we're not going to disavow because Charlie wanted everybody here.
Charlie hated people like Nick Fuentes.
And Charlie also hated Islam.
The day before Charlie Kirk was assassinated, okay, he literally tweeted that Islam was going to be the knife that the radical left slits America's throat with.
And yet you have like Gripers infiltrating Amphest talking about USS Liberty.
Then you have Tucker Carlson talking about how we need to have more Muslims in America and how if you criticize Islam, you're a disgusting person.
So I don't understand like why JD Vance of all people is going to pretend like that's what that's what Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
It's absolutely not what he would have wanted.
So again, you know, we have to have standards.
And what I don't understand is, is, is the vice president now saying that we have to also accept the views of Nick, accept the views of Tucker within our coalition?
Because if so, what are our standards?
Well, I want to play the clip of Nick just recently, about two weeks ago, saying that, oh, illegal aliens are fine.
They're hardworking people.
Trump's administration is going too hard on illegals, right?
That is inconsistent with the values promoted by TPUSA.
Now, given the fact that we also have that tweet that Charlie Kirk posted in which he said that Islam was the knife which the radical left was going to use to slice the throat of America, it is inconsistent,
not just with the values of TPUSA, not just with the values of the MA movement, but also the values of Charlie Kirk for KD Vance to be pretending like everybody who was up on that stage was saying things that Charlie Kirk wanted or everybody there was saying things because it's what Charlie would have wanted.
I highly doubt that Charlie Kirk would approve of this idea of a Muslim-Christian alliance.
So let's go ahead and play this clip of Nick talking about how we need to have a Muslim-Christian alliance, right?
A Muslim-Christian alliance when Charlie Kirk said that Islam was not good, right?
We already know that Islam is now the number one issue going into the 2026 midterms, going into 2028 as well.
But let's go ahead and play this clip because this is not something that Charlie Kirk would have wanted.
But now his platform and his legacy is being used to push this false concept of a Christian-Muslim alliance.
Let's go ahead and play the clip thing of what it's actually kind of notable.
I feel like you and me connecting was the beginning of what people now are calling this like Christian-Muslim alliance against Zionists.
And I feel like that was kind of the first iteration of it.
It was when you and I started streaming, or when we first met a couple of years ago on that stream, and you then became a Muslim.
And I'm, of course, am a Catholic.
And then we were talking with Myron, who's also a Muslim on Fresh and Fit about this a year ago.
Then October 7th happened, and there's this thing on Twitter where Muslims and Christians are speaking out against Israel.
And lately, I've noticed that a lot of these like Jews and Zionist agents are coming out and trying to split apart the Christians and Muslims by saying, you know, they think there's this alliance, but you know, Muslims are just as bad or something like that, or saying, you know, well, Christians are weak and this sort of thing.
And I don't think it needs to be more complicated than this.
Israel colonizes Palestine.
Israel colonizes America.
Therefore, Muslims and Christians are working to dislodge Jewish power, which dominates both the countries.
I mean, we don't agree on religion.
We probably don't agree on a few other things.
But in this limited sense, even if for nothing else, although I think we agree on more than that, I think we have a common cause.
So then showing the inconsistency because JD Vance says, oh, well, you know, we're not going to disavow anybody.
We're not going to challenge any of those views.
We're not going to do this.
We're not going to do that.
We're not in the business of disavowing these ideas.
It's a big tent, and this is what Charlie would have wanted.
I mean, you just heard Nick talk about, you know, the Christian-Muslim alliance.
It seems to be exactly what Tucker Carlson is promoting as well.
Let's go ahead and play this clip really quick of Tucker Carlson basically berating the entire audience of TPUSA at Amphest saying that, oh, you're disgusting.
You're absolutely disgusting if you don't want more Muslims in your country.
You're absolutely disgusting.
What do you mean you don't want more Muslims in America?
What do you mean?
How are you going to criticize somebody because of how they're born?
How are you going to criticize somebody because of how they're born?
That's what he said.
So clearly, Nick and Tucker agree on a lot more than they want you to think that they agree on, right?
They have this like whole little fake feud going on, pretending like, oh, now they don't like each other after they had their little romance on his episode.
Charlie was a Christian.
He was a Christian Zionist, actually.
Okay.
Nick and Tucker both seem to hate Jews.
That's pretty evident.
I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.
Charlie said that Jew hate was brain rot.
His wife posthumously published his book about respecting and observing the Sabbath right before the Turning Point USA Amphest conference.
And yet we have Nick saying we need a Muslim-Christian alliance.
And now we have Tucker Carlson also suggesting we need a Christian-Muslim alliance on stage at Amphest.
And what you're watching now, attacking people on the attacking millions of Americans because they're Muslims?
It's disgusting.
And I'm a Christian.
I'm not a Muslim.
I'm never going to.
I know there's a lot of effort to claim I'm a secret jihadi.
Not.
You should not attack people on those grounds.
And you're seeing it from Republicans.
What the hell are you doing?
What you're doing is trying to divide the country.
And I've lived through 50 years of this crap.
All these fake race wars that they're always promoting.
Oh, go hate each other while we loot the treasury.
That's exactly what's going on.
And most people are totally sick of that.
So, yes, there is a possibility for a huge coalition of decent people once they free their minds from the traps set for them by others and realize, wait a second, we all want to make this country better.
And the 15% or 30% who don't, okay.
You know, good luck in Maryland or wherever you wind up.
You should know, Seth, that the real danger is Sharia law.
Sharia law.
And you can tell when you go to a place like Abu Dhabi or Riyadh, like, oh man, I hope we don't ever wind up with a society like this with a rape rate of zero where you leave your keys in your Lamborghini and don't ever worry about it being stolen.
And, you know, if people want to get wasted, they do it at home.
Just ask me whatever you want me to do for you, I will do it.
But look, Tucker, unfortunately, as I told you, that there are a lot of players putting a lot of efforts to sabotage the relationship between Qatar and the United States and to try to demonize anyone who will come to this country.
Our efforts, when we are lobbying or doing our outreach in the United States, is to make sure that this relationship is safeguarded.
And the relationship for us is mutually beneficial.
We are not getting aid from the United States.
We are instead we are buying from the United States.
We are partnering with them.
We are investing in the United States.
Uncle's investing in Qatar.
And this relationship has been always a two-way relationship.
And we pay all these amounts for lobbying only to protect and to safeguard this relationship.
If we were not being attacked and under a lot of disinformation campaign that's been unfortunately funded by other players who don't want to see a U.S.-Qatar relationship flourish, we would spend this money for better things to do with the relationship.
Now, you have JD Vance speaking at Amfest over the weekend saying that America is and will always be a Christian nation.
Yes, America is a Christian nation.
However, how is it that he's going to reconcile his view that America is and always will be a Christian nation with his current mindset that, oh, I'm not going to disavow or put anybody through a purity test who thinks we need to have a Muslim-Christian alliance or people that are promoting Nazism or people who are promoting Sharia law or going around calling black people the N-word or, you know, saying derogatory, very anti-Semitic things about Jewish people.
Like, how are you going to maintain your Christian country, Mr. Vice President, when one of your closest friends whose son works for you is going around pushing this idea of a Muslim-Christian alliance and is defending Sharia law under which Jews and Christians are murdered?
How are we going to be a Christian country when your best buddy Tucker Katarlson is going around promoting Qatar, saying, I'm going to give money to Qatar, a country where it is illegal to evangelize as a Christian or a Jew, or even as a Hindu, anything aside from Islam in the country, and you could actually go to jail and be given a death sentence.
So let's go ahead.
We have this clip of JD Vance saying America is and always will be a Christian nation.
More than any time I can recount, people are talking about American identity and figuring out what it is that unites us.
But I want to say something here.
The only thing that has truly served as an anchor of the United States of America is that we have been, and by the grace of God, we always will be a Christian nation.
Now I want to be explicit because of course the fake news media will twist everything that I say.
I'm not saying you feel about them the same way I do.
I'm not saying you have to be a Christian to be an American.
I'm saying something simpler and truer.
Christianity is America's creed.
The shared moral language from the Revolution to the Civil War and beyond.
Across that history, our country's major debates have always centered on how we could best as a people please God.
That creed.
Think about it.
That creed motivated our understanding of natural law and rights, our sense of duty to one's neighbor, the conviction that the strong must protect the weak, and the belief in individual conscience.
Even our famously American idea of religious liberty is a Christian concept.
Because we're all creatures of God, we must respect each individual's pathway to that God.
But over the last 50 years, there has been a singular focus, a war that has been waged on Christians and Christianity in the United States of America.
And let me say, of all the wars that Donald Trump has ended, that is the one we're proudest of.
I agree with everything that the vice president just said.
I do.
I agree that the creed of America has always been Christianity and that, you know, it's Christianity that has created this moral compass for America, this concept of freedom of speech and religious freedom.
I agree.
I have no issue.
I agree with what he said about America being a Christian nation and that it should always be a Christian nation.
And I say that as somebody who is Jewish.
However, we have to point out the logical inconsistency here with JD Vance saying that he is not going to disavow his friend.
He didn't say, I'm not disavowing Tucker and Nick Fuentes, but we already know the elephant in the room is, oh, is the vice president going to disavow Candace Owens and Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson?
How are you going to say that, you know, we have a war on Christians, not just here in America, but another topic of discussion during Amfest was they brought Nikki Minaj out, who, of course, introduced the vice president, who spoke out about the persecution of Christians, the genocide of Christians by Muslims in Nigeria, something that I have extensively talked about here on my show, Loomer Unleashed.
Now, if you watch Loomer Unleashed, you know that several weeks ago, I interviewed a guy by the name of Mike Arnold, who runs a school out in Nigeria, does humanitarian work out in Nigeria for the persecuted Christians.
The topic of that podcast, of course, was the fact that Tucker Katarlson had a lobbyist on who represented the Islamic government of Nigeria, who came on his show and then said that the persecution of Christians in Nigeria isn't really real and that Ted Cruz was making it up to make people want to think poorly about Muslims.
So you have Nikki Minaj saying that Christians are being persecuted.
She gets invited on stage, has this whole Q ⁇ A with Erica Kirk talking about the importance of protecting Christianity.
But then you have JD Vance saying there's a war on Christianity and that it's because of Christianity that we have this concept of religious liberty and religious freedom.
Well, who is threatening religious freedom and religious, like just freedom of religion in general?
It's not the Christians.
It's not the Jews.
It's not the Hindus.
It's the Muslims.
It's the Muslims who have made Christians the most persecuted people in the Middle East and Christians the most persecuted people in the world.
So again, while this is all like red meat talking points for the vice president of the United States, like this whole rural Christian nationalism, we're a Christian nation.
Actions speak louder than words.
And if you're going to be promoting Christian nationalism and say that you are a fighter for Christian people, then you have to address the elephant in the room, which of course is Islam.
But we're not going to see the vice president do that because Omin Malik is going to be contributing to Rockbridge, right?
You have like 1789 group that is going to be contributing and funding JD Vance's presidential campaign.
Omin Malik is a part of that.
Omi Malik went to Doha Forum, went to Doha, went to Qatar, traveled there with Tucker Carlson and Don Jr., the president's son.
So we're probably not going to see him call any of this out.
But if you're going to be talking about how you are a fighter for Christianity and oh, we need to protect religious freedom, you have to start disavowing and at least creating some boundaries, a red line, right?
I talked about this concept of a red line, people not crossing over, a red line.
Welcome to the GOP.
This person wants to throw you in an oven and they want to bake you like a batch of cookies because you're just a kike.
And we don't want to have a bunch of, and excuse my language, we don't want to have a bunch of niggers running around because we don't like black people.
And Indians are just a bunch of dirty cheats.
But it's okay.
We're not going to disavow because that's a purity test.
No, nobody's going to vote for that.
Nobody's going to vote for that.
You have to have moral clarity.
The reason why we elect leaders to be our leaders is because we want people who are going to be able to lead and actually create a sense of prosperity and a sense of ethics and morality in our country so that we don't spin downward into total anarchy.
You understand?
So, yeah, I think it's really important that we hold our leaders accountable and we don't say things like, oh, well, we're not going to, you know, we're going to tolerate somebody saying on the stage of Ampes, Charlie never would have wanted us to call this out.
No, Charlie absolutely called out Jew hate.
Charlie absolutely called out racism.
Charlie absolutely called out discrimination when needed.
Charlie absolutely called out the threat of Islam and Sharia law.
But now everybody wants to pretend like they know what Charlie would have wanted because he's dead.
And it's just simply not true.
So that's my advice to Vice President Vance, who again, I like and I support, but I'm growing very concerned as we head into the midterms and we head into 2028 because I want the Republicans to win in 2026.
I want the Republicans to win in 2028.
I don't want to see an era of weaponized government where we have the federal government and the DOJ and the IRS weaponized against conservatives like we saw Turing Obama and Biden.
I don't want that.
But that's what's going to happen if the GOP decides to be a party of Jew haters, Holocaust deniers, and people who go around flippantly using the N-word and just demeaning people, demeaning people based off the color of their skin and promoting vile hatred.
I'm not a liberal.
I'm not a liberal.
I don't like going around calling people racist.
And I used to mock people that said, oh, you know, Trump, Trump is creating a party full of a bunch of racists and a bunch of Nazis.
No, I don't think that Trump is doing that.
Trump managed these coalitions very well, which is why he won reelection because he appealed to the black community.
You think that black people are going to vote for Republicans if the people who are being mainstreamed by the biggest podcasters who are aligning themselves with the vice president of the United States are going around calling black people the N-word?
No, they're not.
Demographics are your destiny.
Demographics are your destiny.
And because we unfortunately had an invasion in our country and there are over 65 million illegal aliens living among us and over 55 million foreigners, according to Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, who might be in violation of their visas, that's over 100 million foreigners in our country.
Do the math.
That means that probably one in four people in this country shouldn't be here, shouldn't be here.
And a lot of those people are probably voting in our elections as well.
So guess what?
We're not a majority white country anymore.
You may wish that we were.
I wish that we could mass deport all these foreigners.
I don't think that's a white supremacist statement to make.
I wish we could go back to being a majority white Christian nation, but we're not.
And we're not going to have enough mass deportations by the election to fix those demographics.
And so it's time for the Republicans to say, yes, be proud of being white.
And yes, we have an anti-white racism problem in America and we're not going to tolerate anti-white racism.
But also, you cannot go around glorifying Hitler and expect to be taken seriously.
You can actually agree with both of those statements and still be a hardcore America first conservative.
I agree with both of those statements.
So that's my message to the vice president who I want to vote for.
I do.
I watch who be able to vote for JD Vance, but I also want to know that if I vote for JD Vance as a Jewish American conservative, as somebody who helped him and President Trump get elected, that his coalition of people aren't going to end up weaponizing the government against me or demonizing me or targeting me or accusing me of not being an American because I'm not his advisors or his friends' idea, perfect idea of what their perfect little American is.
That's all I'm saying.
And a lot of people agree with me.
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Now, if you've been following me on X and reading my reports, you know that one of my favorite discussions, topics of discussions, is the vetting crisis in the administration.
The vetting crisis in the Trump administration as it pertains to personnel.
Because as I like to say, personnel is policy.
Personnel is policy.
And while President Trump campaigned on his America First Vision, America First Policies, one of the big things that he campaigned on in real time, which wasn't just an empty promise, you know, we actually got to see him put his money where his mouth was because he was actively being persecuted and they were trying to throw him in jail and take him off the ballot.
And they were trying to say that he was fraudulently overvaluing the properties, like his properties, if you recall, right?
Whether it be his Westchester properties or Mar-a-Lago.
Remember when Tish James and all of the crooks in the New York legal system tried falsely accusing President Trump of overvaluing Mar-a-Lago and they said that Mar-a-Lago, which is worth over a billion dollars, not just because it's an amazing property in Palm Beach, but it's also historical and it has historic interest being the home of the president of the United States.
And it also just is located on the water in Palm Beach, which happens to be one of the 33480, one of the most expensive zip codes in America.
I used to live there.
I ran for Congress there.
I would know.
You see the way that government has been used to attack and demonize and also bankrupt conservatives.
And one of the ways that this was done too, prior to President Trump assuming office his first term and also during the 2024 presidential election season where we saw the IRS weaponize against President Trump, we saw the courts weaponize against President Trump was during the age of Barack Hussein Obama when under Obama and his IRS chief Lois Lerner, they were using the IRS to weaponize policies against conservatives,
to spy on conservative charities, as you know, to try to take away the nonprofit status of a lot of conservative organizations to harm high-profile and large family offices run by conservatives,
family foundations run by conservatives, and also just to put a target on the back and intimidate and scare conservative donors so that they wouldn't want to support conservative causes like pro-life causes or socially conservative causes that you could see here in 2017, the IRS apologized for aggressive scrutiny of conservative groups.
And I want to show you an article that I have on my website.
If you haven't seen this, you may not have seen this because, well, every single day it's like drinking from a firehouse as it pertains to all the news that's coming out of our government and the Trump administration.
Every day, it's another massive story, another big policy change.
So you may have missed this story.
I'm not going to fault you if you missed it.
But exclusive, the IRS is sitting on up to $200 billion while Obama-era bureaucrats block the cash.
Let's go through this article.
As new leadership prepares to take over the IRS, the federal government is quietly sitting on one of the largest pools of immediately collectible revenue in modern history.
Not because Congress failed to act or because taxpayers can't pay, but because the IRS has deliberately refused to resolve its own backlog of roughly 700 syndicated conservation easement cases clogging the U.S. tax court.
Many of these cases have stalled for five to 10 years.
Some are tied to charitable donations made more than a decade ago.
Combined with other frozen tax controversies, these cases represent an estimated $125 billion to $200 billion in asserted deficiencies, penalties, and interest.
That money could begin flowing to the treasury almost immediately.
Instead, it's being warehoused by deep state holdovers from the Obama-Biden era.
Now, of course, this is not an accident.
As I said before, this whole process of weaponized government using the IRS as a tool to target people was the result of an Obama-era enforcement philosophy that replaced revenue collection with ideological punishment and it never got rolled back.
So even after the first Trump administration, it never got rolled back.
This is one of the last things that Barack Hussein Obama did before he left office as a way to screw conservatives on the way out.
You can scroll down.
For decades, the IRS operated on a basic principle, settle complex disputes efficiently, collect enforceable revenue, and move on.
From the Reagan years through Obama's first term, the agency routinely resolved high-stakes cases through appeals, global settlements, and issue-based resolutions, and brought in real money without paralyzing the courts.
That system has since been dismantled.
Over the last decade, the IRS adopted a scorched earth posture, especially in the area of conservation easement cases, asserting zero-dollar seductions, automatic 40% penalties, and years of compounded interest, daring taxpayers to fight.
Now, of course, as you saw in the aftermath of J6 or, you know, there's been a lot of high-profile cases with weaponized government.
Anytime you go up against the federal government, it's like a losing battle because everyday citizens do not have unlimited resources to fight in court while the federal government has a blank check.
And we're going to talk to my guest about that soon.
But continuing.
The IRS claims it's offered settlement initiatives, but in reality, right, they were all engineered and designed to fail.
The economic terms were often irrational.
The administrative conditions, such as requiring unanimous partner consent and layered partnership structures, ensured that few cases could actually be resolved, which is why you have over 700 of these cases currently unresolved.
It's a giant backlog, as I said.
These are not good faith efforts to collect revenue.
Instead, they were traps meant to preserve an ideological enforcement posture at the expense of efficiency, fairness, and the treasury itself.
You can scroll down.
Again, I've talked about this extensively, the federal government being hollowed out by unaccountable bureaucrats who sabotage efficiency while pretending to defend the system.
And now, this case with the IRS and these conservation easements, it's a perfect example.
It's a perfect example.
While Americans are told that the government needs more money, the agency responsible for collecting it is actively blocking hundreds of billions of dollars in recoverable revenue because settling cases would require admitting that Obama-era policies failed and that they were used to target conservatives.
Now, joining me to discuss this problem and how the Trump administration could resolve it with the swipe of a pen is Robert Ramsey, the president of the Partnership for Conservation.
So why do you think that this is still an ongoing issue?
I mean, look, this is, we had Obama's term end in 2016, and then we saw the first Trump term, and now we're in the second Trump term after a disastrous four years with Joe Biden.
Why is it that this issue has been prolonged throughout two additional presidential administrations and hasn't been addressed when everybody knows it was a tool of weaponization by the IRS?
I think you said it best at the top of this segment.
Personnel is a policy.
And a number of the IRS employees that were involved in the Lois Learner issue remained at the IRS and were in fact involved in this particular issue as well.
So you've got a, you know, in 2016, you had the Obama administration issue a listing notice at the same time that we started to see the candidate and nominee Trump being attacked for these types of donations.
And that weaponization against the candidate turned into sort of an institutional approach.
And you've got individuals and partnerships across the country that are battling with The IRS over conservation easements or development rights that they've perpetually donated or permanently donated for their land.
How do you think that, how do you think, like given the situation that exists and the fact that there's so much evidence of weaponization and it happened to President Trump himself, as I highlighted earlier, when we saw this ridiculous case that got national attention as it pertained to his Westchester properties and his Mar-a-Lago property down in Palm Beach?
How do you think the Trump administration could not just resolve this issue quickly, but also use it as a teachable moment for the American people to further reinforce their anti-weaponization of government agenda?
I think it's really important because we haven't really seen thus far, to the disappointment of many people, a lot of crackdowns on weaponized government.
I mean, we were told that President Trump was going to address weaponized government, and I do believe that he will.
But from the DOJ to the IRS, even through my own investigative reports, pointing out how many of these Obama-era officials still remain there, one, they still haven't been fired, right?
They haven't cleared house at the IRS.
They haven't cleaned house at the FBI.
They haven't cleaned house at the DOJ.
What's the quickest way that the president can fix this crisis, but then also, as I said before, teach the American people a lesson in weaponized government?
Well, I think number one, Laura, you said it best.
I mean, people who break the law, whether you work for the government or outside of the government, need to be held accountable.
And we've seen a number of examples here with conservation easements and some of the other types of transactions that you mentioned earlier, where we've seen IRS admitted IRS employees commit crimes that if they were regular citizens and did the same activity, they would likely end up in jail.
And then number two, we've got to remember that the people who participated in these partnerships are Main Street Americans.
These are small restaurateurs, other small business owners who chose to participate in conservation easements through partnerships because that was really the way that they were allowed to do so.
So finding a resolution or instructing the IRS to proceed with a resolution that would move these people beyond that weaponization and that scrutiny and allow them to go on with their lives doesn't require an act of Congress.
It doesn't require any precedential acts.
Really, it's a matter of the IRS doing the right thing for this tens of thousands of Americans that are out there.
Maybe you can walk us through the process of the litigation in front of the tax court, because as I said before, it's a losing battle.
And a lot of people would kind of ask this rhetorical question.
Well, why is it that the government, they're constantly saying that they want to unlock cash?
Why is it that they're blocking over $200 billion in revenue when it could be unlocked?
Why is it that this is happening?
And why is it that instead of just coming to some kind of a settlement agreement, which the settlement system has now been broken as a result of Barack Hussein Obama's policies on the way out, I think that was done in an effort to create chaos for the incoming administration, knowing that maybe it was so in the weeds that people wouldn't have noticed it or people wouldn't have really taken much of an effort to address it?
How devastating is this process to a family that finds themselves in this situation?
Maybe you can give us some examples so that people can understand just the human and emotional level of this weaponized government or this action of weaponized government from the IRS.
Well, you know, at first, you know, if you're considering donating land, and remember that this is incentivized in the tax code with a tax deduction, well, then you work with a number of professionals to help make sure that you work through that process, lengthy process, and comply with the statute.
So you spent time and money, significant time and money to achieve that, only to find out that the IRS is going to value your easement at zero.
It's not about an individual review of your particular easement.
It's a determined outcome for all conservation easements.
So you receive a notice from the IRS telling you that your easement has been deemed as having no value, not a diminished value, but no value.
And then the only option that you're left with is to sue the IRS to keep your donation.
You then go to the tax court, which is largely made up of former treasury officials and officials from the IRS, many of whom have actually prosecuted conservation easement cases in prior lives, where the courts seem to favor the government's witnesses and information and really discounting the witnesses of taxpayers and defendants.
Once the tax court finds against you, you're left with either paying the taxes back, the penalty and the interest, or pursuing an appeal at the appellate court level, which is where an awful lot of people find themselves today.
So, Laura, this process is not only demoralizing because you worked hard to follow the law to your level best, but the process becomes the punishment because most Americans really can't afford to defend themselves against a government that has decided that a war of attrition is how they're going to pursue these.
And it's my understanding, too, that the individual at the IRS who has the authority to fix this or should be at least making a proactive effort to address this issue is Ken Keyes, right?
Ken Keyes, who I've recently exposed, who, you know, isn't exactly, I would say, not exactly doing his job to clean house at the IRS.
I mean, I've exposed numerous officials at the IRS tied to Lois Lerner, engaged in, you know, weaponized government, people who have ties to the radical left, who probably aren't really ideologically inclined to implement President Trump's agenda, and yet we haven't seen him take action on this.
So can you explain, you know, what do you know about that?
Like what are you aware of any efforts that Ken Keyes himself has taken to block reform as it pertains to this conservation easement?
I guess you could say it's like a bro, it's a broken system.
I mean, has he taken any effort to resolve this broken system or do you think that he is blocking it based off of ideological grounds?
Because as I have previously exposed, even though he served as the personal attorney for the, this is kind of ironic, this is the ironic part about it, right?
He served as the personal attorney for the Trump organization, and yet he donated to the Democrat members of Congress that subpoenaed the IRS to get access to President Trump's personal tax returns.
And in addition to that, he donated to Democrats who supported the impeachment of President Trump.
And now, you know, as a counsel for the IRS, he's supposed to be overseeing this process.
So do you think that this is just another example of ideologically leftist bureaucrats blocking policies that are not just going to benefit our country and not just benefit people just on the basis of ethics and principle, right?
Undoing this Obama-era policy that has been so destructive, but also end a form of targeted weaponized government.
The chief counsel's office at the IRS has what they need to pursue resolution of these cases.
The second answer to your question, I'm afraid, is no.
We don't see any effort coming from the chief counsel's office to do that.
In fact, we hear quite the opposite.
The IRS, as you know, Laura, had put forward a couple of settlement proposals.
One was punitive in terms of the financial terms.
The other was better, but it was designed with a poison pill so that it just wouldn't work.
It was impossible for a partnership to come together and participate.
And from what I understand, there's been no significant movement to change that internally.
So I'm sorry for the taxpayers that continue under the yoke of the IRS to say that it doesn't appear that, at least at the moment, there's something new coming in terms of that resolution or the ending of the weaponization.
And then, as I mentioned in the article, historically, the IRS has used tools like the Independent Office of Appeals and also global settlements to resolve these complex cases quickly.
And the article, of course, my article focused on how this happened all the way from the Reagan administration until the Obama administration.
What led, aside from Obama, of course, making this decision in the last few days before the transition of power, what led to the dismantling of these efficient systems, in your opinion?
I mean, at least in the case of conservation easements, we've seen quotes from successive commissioners talking about pursuing at all costs.
I think clearly during the Biden administration, there was this focus on white-collar crimes, which led to an intensification across the IRS focusing on the business community at large, I would say.
It was a clear choice to move away from a policy that had worked for the IRS that helped taxpayers substantially comply with the law and at the same time provide reasonable resolution so that both the government and individuals could move on with their lives and precious resources weren't wasted on chasing some ideological win, if you will.
And then, you know, we talked a lot about how the settlement process has severely not only been changed, but damaged to the point where there's this backlog of over 700 cases that are, it's putting a lot of stress on the tax court system.
And so given the fact that a revised settlement program could potentially unlock up to $200 billion in revenue within two fiscal years without any congressional action, no need for any legislation as we discussed, what would a program like this look like and how could it be implemented and why has it not been implemented in your opinion?
So the idea of a global or universal settlement is something that the IRS has a great practice and has executed time and time again over the years.
Oftentimes, Laura, the terms of those settlements are really the difference between whether taxpayers will choose to accept a settlement or choose to fight the IRS.
And of course, you go through a cost analysis.
If I continue to fight, what do I need to do to achieve a win, so on and so forth.
And the terms have been so punitive that it's really hard for people unless they're absolutely just desperate to accept those terms for settlement.
I can't tell you why that ideology remains.
I wish I could, but there's clear punitive attitude within the IRS towards small business owners, taxpayers, people who participate in conservation easements.
And it's certainly got to change because most of these folks that I know are out there working hard, doing what they can to promote the economy, to continue to have a growing economy, and are just really suffering under the yoke of the IRS.
And that largely has to do with the fact that there is a personnel issue.
It's a vetting crisis, as I said.
And I've done a lot of investigative reporting over the last few months since the beginning of the second Trump administration, highlighting, I mean, I just am looking at all the examples in my phone right now.
I save all of them in a file in my phone, right?
Like I have a little vetting crisis folder in my phone to reference all of it, going back, like reminding myself of all of the different lowest learner holdovers, the Obama holdovers, the Biden holdovers, who are in key positions.
I'm not talking about low-level positions.
Some of the most important positions at the IRS that handle the implementation of tax policy, tax code, issues that pertain to the president's memorandums and his order, his September 25th memorandum, asking the IRS to investigate the funding sources of a lot of these C3 organizations that are funding and promoting political violence in America.
None of that has been done yet.
We haven't seen any of these groups have any of their C3, right, the nonprofit tax deductible statuses revoked.
And yet what we have seen is a continuation of abusive policies, Obama-era policies, shockingly, still implemented under the Trump administration as a result of poor IRS leadership.
And so I think that it's safe to say that new and improved leadership under the Trump administration at the IRS could not just restore efficient processes, but also it could help dismantle these kind of stone age bureaucratic processes that you and I now are harping on and complaining about.
And everybody should be complaining about it because it may not affect you today, but it could affect you tomorrow.
And it's also just this ongoing epidemic, in my opinion, that we see even with a new presidency and the drastic, you know, the drastic difference between Joe Biden and Obama's vision for America and Trump's vision of America.
These bad actors, there's so many of them, these deep state holdovers are still so entrenched within the administration.
They're still calling the shots.
So even though we have a new administration, we still have Obama holdovers really calling all of the shots at the IRS.
I recognize that President Trump has only been back in office for a little less than a year.
We've seen a great deal of change in government since he's returned to the White House.
The IRS just hasn't seen its share.
So I have to believe that it's coming.
What I do know that as it relates to this issue that we're discussing, the president's really the only one that can have an impact for taxpayers on this issue.
I think you would have to make clear to the IRS what's expected and what needs to happen.
And I wish it weren't so, but I just think that's where we find ourselves today.
You mentioned that President Trump is the only person who could take action on this, but actually, you know, you have Scott Besant who could, he's currently overseeing the IRS until they have, he's the acting IRS commissioner, until they find somebody else to be the new acting IRS commissioner.
So, I would say that Trump really isn't the only person that could take action on this.
It's Scott Bessant, but also it's Ken Keyes, right?
This is an issue about people not doing jobs that they were given.
And this is why it's important for the Trump administration to not have officials, especially cabinet secretaries, overseeing multiple jobs, right?
Like you see this with Marco Rubio, he has like four or five jobs, right?
Same thing with Scott Besson.
We've been told for months now that we're going to have a new acting IRS commissioner to help oversee these issues and that there were going to be shake-ups within the IRS council's office, and yet we haven't seen that.
And so I think that a lot of things, whether it's deliberate sabotage and it's deliberate weaponized government, or it's just people being overworked because they have multiple jobs and you're supposed to have a treasury secretary who isn't the IRS commissioner, right?
Like they're supposed to be separate positions.
Whatever it is, there definitely needs to be steps taken by whoever is going to be the next IRS commissioner to address that issue.
So in closing, I guess we've already addressed the issue, but whether it's Scott Besson listening to this, President Trump, or whoever is going to be the next IRS commissioner, hopefully we have one within 20, you know, 2026.
We're coming up on a new year now.
What steps specifically, if you could lay out, I don't know, three to five steps that the next incoming IRS commissioner could take to address this issue, what would it be?
So first, what I would encourage, because of the suffering that people are really incurring right now, is there have been a number of proposals sent to Treasury, sent to the IRS that build on the proposals that we've seen previously from the IRS.
This Treasury or the IRS could design a settlement based on those that would clear the docket by 70 to 80 percent.
That'd be a very sort of easy way to reduce the docket, provide a lot of relief for people.
Beyond that, it's clear to me, Laura, that a purposeful review of the IRS and of specific functions within the IRS has to occur.
A policy, a new policy, or not a new policy, but a new attitude from the IRS that reverts back to one of more substantial compliance, helping American taxpayers comply with the tax code rather than catching them in gotcha situations and then pursuing them with lawfare would be a great start.
Laura, you can't spell conservative without the word conserve.
It simply means the wise use.
So if we hunt or fish or if we enjoy nature for different reasons, the Americans that have donated these conservation easements are heroes and they should really be treated as such.
So let's find a resolution.
Let's move to resolution.
Let's clear up this backlog and let's fix this weaponization issue.
And it'll happen because of you and others like you, Laura.
And would you say that most of the people who are being targeted out of all the 700 backlogged cases right now, I mean, I'm sure that there are some people who are not necessarily, you know, Republican or so, but it seems to be one of those issues, as it always seems to be the case at the IRS, where majority of the people affected happen to be conservative in their ideology.
So this isn't just an issue that, you know, while it may affect people on both sides of the political aisle, it was a policy that was specifically targeted to hurt conservatives, especially conservatives who have the financial means to potentially support conservative political causes or conservative social causes, or as you said, the conservation of America, the preservation of our parks and land.
And of course, we know that what Obama wanted to fundamentally transform America and fundamentally transforming America includes destroying America's heritage and reducing the level of conservation.
It's all tied together.
It's all tied together.
We could talk about this for hours on end, as you know, Robert, but it's important for people to know that while there may be some Democrats affected by this, it's mostly conservatives.
And in no world whatsoever should the policies of targeted, you know, weaponized government at the IRS against conservatives specifically, against anybody in general, but specifically against conservatives.
These are Obama era policies.
There were hearings about it.
Everybody knows what Lois Lerner did.
There should not be any situation whatsoever in which this is happening under a Trump administration.
I would understand if it was happening under a Biden administration, right?
Because that's just how the Bidens role.
I mean, we all know what they did.
They tried to jail President Trump.
They wanted to take their political opponents off the ballot.
It wasn't excusable.
It was understandable.
But this should not be happening under a Trump administration.
So hopefully the Trump administration will see this and they will take the appropriate steps to not just implement or install a new IRS commissioner so that Scott Besant isn't wearing multiple hats, but somebody who's actually going to direct Ken Keyes and the IRS council's office to resolve this for the many Americans who are suffering at the hands of a weaponized IRS.
Well, Robert, where do people follow you if they want to learn more about your work or they want to see and learn more and read more about conservation policy?
As I say time and time again, you guys, personnel is policy.
We have a vetting crisis.
Hopefully it's getting, it's going to be improved with Dan Scavino now leading the PPO office in the White House.
So I think that there's hope that this issue can be resolved.
But I think that it's an abomination that there are still these Obama-era bureaucrats at the IRS.
It's not just the IRS.
It's everywhere.
It's at the DOJ.
It's at the Department of War.
It's everywhere.
The whole government is infested, which is why the work that I do Exposing the vetting crisis and vetting people and looking into all these holdovers and encouraging them to be fired, which is why it's so important.
The work that I do.
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I want to go back to the previous topic, the topic of the AmFest drama and also the intellectual inconsistencies.
the kind of like clashing sentiments and etiologies, and the clash and messaging that we saw come out of Turning Point USA over the weekend.
If you've been watching my show or following me for years, you know that I've been saying that going into the 2026 midterms and the 2028 elections, the topic of Islam and the Islamification of America is going to be the most important issue on the ballot.
It is going to be the most important issue on the ballot.
Why?
Well, because not only is our country being Islamified and we have so many people who are in the administration taking trips to Qatar, turning a blind eye to the Islamic takeover of America, turning a blind eye to the rising wave of anti-Semitism, anti-white, anti-white, anti-Christian sentiment happening in America and all over the world, turning a blind eye to the fact that in Europe they had to cancel all of the holiday markets and the Christmas markets because Muslims kept on plowing their cars into markets.
Before doing my show today, I got a news notification that said that there was another ramming today in the Netherlands.
Probably pull that story up.
Somebody plowed into 10 people at a Christmas market in the Netherlands today.
Germany's Christmas markets grapple with soaring security costs.
So they have to actually, whether it's the Netherlands, whether it's Germany, whether it's Paris, all across Europe, they're having to actually cancel their Christmas markets.
They're having to cancel Christmas.
That's how sad this is.
People are going to be celebrating Christmas this Thursday.
And they have to worry now that when they go out with their families to go see Christmas trees or Christmas lights or go to Christmas parades or Christmas markets.
I don't, I don't celebrate Christmas, but I love Christmas.
You know why I love Christmas?
I love the holiday cheer.
I love holiday cheer.
I love the Christmas lights.
I love the Christmas music.
I love Christmas.
I do.
Maybe that's weird.
Maybe as a Jew, I'm not supposed to like Christmas.
I don't know.
I love Christmas.
I do.
I really like Christmas.
I even put up a Christmas tree.
I do.
You know why I put up a Christmas tree?
Because I love the ornaments and I love the lights.
I like it.
I like going out and just seeing how pretty everything looks with the lights during Christmas.
And so it's really sad that because of the enormous Muslim population in places like Germany and the UK and France, they have to actually cancel their Christmas parades and their Christmas markets because it's going to cost millions of dollars to have increased security and to install all of these vehicle-proof,
vehicular jihad-proof vehicles, like these giant tanks that they have to put in front of these Christmas markets, which then takes away from the natural beauty of the European architecture and the Christmas Christmas lights and the markets and the music and everything that comes along with Christmas.
Because they have to worry about Muslims committing acts of vehicular jihad or going on stabbing sprees or going on shooting sprees like we saw in Australia.
And Tulsi Gabbard talked about this.
She talked about this at Amfest over the weekend.
We have the clip in which she said, and she tweeted this too.
She tweeted this too last week, in which she said that Europe is already gone.
Australia is gone, but the United States still has an opportunity to save themselves.
We still have an opportunity here in the United States to save ourselves from an Islamic takeover.
And I posted Tulsi Gabbard's speech, and I think that we should just go ahead and watch it in its entirety because, again, it goes to show you just the messaging is not adding up at Turning Point USA.
I like Turning Point.
I have a lot of friends that work at Turning Point.
I like JD Vance.
But, you know, if you're going to say that America is a Christian country and you're going to fight to protect Christianity, you have to call out Islam.
You can't be not like calling out Islam because all of your friends and the donors to Rockbridge are going to Qatar and making all these deals with Arabs, with rich Arabs, you know?
You can't be holding your tongue about the threat of Islam and Sharia law because your buddy Tucker Carlson wants everybody to now embrace Muslims and embrace Islam.
And he's buying a home in Doha.
You can't say that we're a Christian country and then not call out the fact that all these little gripers who are creating so much division in our country are now saying that we need to have a Christian-Muslim alliance when Islam calls for infidels, an infidel is a non-Muslim, to be killed, to be subjugated and killed, convert or die.
And so, you know, when we talk about, oh, you know, Donald Trump didn't build this coalition like JD Vance said, he says, he says that Trump didn't win by putting his supporters through a purity test.
We have that clip.
Play clip number 29 or the beginning of clip number 29 again so we can see the words of the vice president again.
Side of you, I mean all of you, each and every one.
President Trump did not build the greatest coalition in politics by running his supporters through endless self-defeating purity tests.
He says, make America great again because every American is invited.
We don't care if you're white or black, rich or poor, young or old, rural or urban, controversial or a little bit boring or somewhere in between.
People of every faith come to our banner because they know that the America First Movement will make their lives better.
And they also know that the Democrats don't care about anything other than maybe transing their kids.
So if you love America, if you want all of us to be richer, stronger, safer, and prouder, you have a home on this team.
I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or to de-platform.
And I don't really care if some people out there, I'm sure we'll have the fake news media, denounce me after this speech.
But let me just say the best way to honor Charlie is that none of us here should be doing something after Charlie's death that he himself refused to do in life.
He didn't invite everybody there, which is why there were some people who had resentment towards Charlie Kirk.
He didn't invite everybody there.
And no, actually, we don't just get to say that everybody, regardless of how controversial you are or where you come from or what you do, is invited in our party.
Are pedophiles welcome in our party?
Are Islamic terrorists welcome in our party?
Our KKK members welcome in our party.
Like, where do you draw the line?
Like, do we just not have standards?
Because if your tech becomes so big, what do you actually represent?
Like, what, what brings us all together?
You're just going to have a bunch of infighting because nobody actually represents the same values.
And you're just going to have a bunch of different interests competing.
Right.
And now in this day and age, it's like, whoever has more podcast followers, right?
They must be right because they have so many views.
They have so many views.
Right.
People aren't just tuning in to actually hear how ridiculous the statements are coming out of the mouths of some of these people, how shocking it is because everybody likes watching a train wreck, right?
It has nothing to do with that.
Popularity doesn't mean you're right.
Being popular doesn't necessarily mean you're right.
Again, I have to point out the VP's previous statements because it just shows how inconsistent his views on this topic really are.
He was texting his former friends, roommates, whatever you want to call it, before he was elected to the United States Senate saying that he thought that President Trump's popularity was problematic because he's like the Republican Party's Hitler.
He recognized in his mind, he said that, oh, just because Trump is popular doesn't necessarily mean he's right.
Now, I never said that Trump was Hitler.
I never said that Trump's popularity wasn't well deserved.
But JD Vance was at a time willing to talk this way privately about Donald Trump and compare him to Hitler.
But now all of a sudden, right, we are ridiculous.
We want to deplatform people.
We want to silence people.
We're violating Charlie Kirk's legacy if we want to have standards and say, if you glorify actual Nazism, I'm not talking about this brain-dead nonsense of, oh, you know, we're going to say that Trump is Hitler.
I'm talking about people that actually go like this.
People who actually Zeke Heil, people who actually Zeke Heil and say that Hitler was cool and people who say that we need to throw all Jews in a gas chamber and that they're like a bunch of cookies and we have to bake them.
That's what I'm talking about.
So it's just kind of interesting to me that JD Vance had no problem talking this way prior to becoming a senator and prior to becoming vice president and, you know, using historical analogies, particularly as it pertains to Nazism, to usher in criticisms of Donald Trump, who he said was like Hitler, but then he won't say the same thing about people who are now actually saying, wow, Hitler's so base.
Hitler's so fucking cool.
Who don't even like Trump, by the way.
I'm not saying we have to deplatform people or silence people or take away their ability to have free speech, but let's stop pretending like these people have a place in the GOP.
They don't.
They even said themselves they hate Republicans, they hate Trump, and that they now find themselves aligning more with the left.
I mean, you had these Groypers literally attending Zoran Momdami's election party, celebrating him while wearing an America first hat.
How is open borders, taxing white people more money based off the color of their skin, ushering in Sharia law, saying that we're not a Christian country?
How is any of that America first?
Someone to remind me how it's America First to support Zoran Momdami, who is a open socialist?
Oh, yeah, that's right.
It's because these people who are now within this fake coalition, the Woke Right Coalition, they're not actually conservative.
They're national socialists, you know, the same national socialists that JD Vance was once accusing President Trump of being.
But now JD Vance thinks that these people are welcome into our party.
Look, I like JD Vance.
I want to vote for JD Vance.
I want to support JD Vance.
But JD Vance needs to lead.
He needs to show us that he has moral clarity on this.
It's disingenuous to say, we want you to deplatform.
Call all your buddies in big tech, JD, from your time in big tech and Silicon Valley and tell them to ban all these people.
We never said that.
We never said that they have to be deplatformed.
But when you are the vice president or you want to become president, you have to lead with moral clarity.
You have to set standards or else we're just going to turn into an anarchist state.
That's what's going to happen.
If we don't have standards and we don't have policies and we don't have attributes that define us and say, this is them, this is us.
This is what we believe in.
This is what they believe in.
Then how are people supposed to know what they're voting for at the ballot box in 2026 and 2028?
So I'm just asking for JD Vance to use the same moral clarity that, you know, he's used against others in the past.
He used his own perception of his own internal moral clarity against Donald Trump by falsely accusing Donald Trump of being a Nazi in the past.
So why is it that now when we're dealing with people who are actually espousing real opinions of Nazism and Islamism, which are pretty much one in the same when it comes down to it, there's a reason why the Grand Mufti united with Hitler and why they had meetings during the time of World War II to talk about their policies of the final solution.
I would like to see him use that same scrutiny that he once applied to Donald Trump, but to these nefarious actors, particularly his close friend, Tucker Carlson, who is trying to conquer and divide the GOP.
That's what I would like.
I would really like to see it.
Because I'm not going to unite with people.
You know, we saw Jack Poseobic actually, who is very close to the vice president.
Let's go ahead and play flip number three, Jack Pisobic.
And this was the message of JD Vance and Jack Poseobic and other people at Turning Point Two, who realized like they use the stage at Amfest to create like a coronation for JD Vance.
Like we're doing exactly what the Democrats did for Kamala Harris that we mock them for.
We're saying, okay, there's not going to be a primary election, you guys.
We're just having a coronation, which is why, you know, they also called the ball earlier this year the coronation ball, right?
The coronation ball, because a lot of these people believe in this dark enlightenment theory.
Remember, I talked about this previously on my show, this theory of dark enlightenment, where they believe that the best form of government is like a monarchy.
Right?
And so we don't have a monarchy in America, but we can simulate a monarchy by having a coronation and getting rid of the entire primary process, right?
Don't come into Amfest and tell us that we shouldn't be platforming people that say Hitler was really cool here at Amfest.
Or don't tell us that we're hypocrites because we say that we're a Christian nation, but we let Tucker Carlson proselytize and engage in dawah for Islam.
Or how about this is the United States of America and the GOP is going to lose if they don't have some moral clarity and they don't draw a line in the sand and say, no, we're not going to win elections by saying Heil Hitler, fuck the Jews and the niggers and the kikes and the spics.
Again, I have to keep on saying it.
I don't even like saying the N-word nigger.
It's so ugly.
I've said nigger more in the last year than I don't even know, not because I actually want to say nigger, but because I have to say it to remind people of how jarring it is and that these are the viewpoints of the people that are now being mainstreamed by some of the most popular podcasters on the right who just happen to be best friends with the people who want to be the next in charge, next in line in our government.
I hate to use the word.
It's an ugly word.
But no, like Charlie didn't support that.
Charlie Kirk would shoot down these conspiracy theories about the USS Liberty during his events when people would confront him.
He would shoot down these people who were so-called Talmudic scholars when they would come to his event and just read something they read on the internet.
You can watch video and video and video of this over and over again.
What you have here are people who are now trying to not just monetize Charlie's death, but also trying to redefine what it means to be a conservative, what it means to be MAGA, what it means to be America first, because they see Turning Point Action and Turning Point USA is as a big financial vehicle to not just promote themselves, but to also get the next president of the United States elected and to also, you know,
try to redefine and do what they always wanted to do when Charlie was alive, but he never allowed them to do because he didn't actually believe in this.
He didn't actually believe in these things that these people are saying he believed in.
So, you know, they do this whole thing like, I'm not going to let down Erica Kirk.
not going to let down Charlie.
Again, it's like a form of emotional manipulation.
Charlie wanted this.
He was dead.
We owe it to Erica.
We owe it to Charlie.
No, Charlie actually did not promote Islam.
Charlie actually kicked some of these people out of his events because he didn't believe in their, in the ideology that they were spewing.
So I just think the turning point really needs to get their messaging under control because it's just like so disjointed.
Like, are Nazis welcome here?
Are people who call black people nigger welcome here?
Are people who say Indians are dirty jeets welcome here?
Are we going to obsessively talk about the USS Liberty instead of talking about which races we want to win, which races we want to address?
Like, what are we doing here?
Right.
What are we doing here?
And you see that even people who grew up with JD Vance or people who went to school with JD Vance who knew him before he became a United States senator agree that we have a problem here?
And so now it seems like JD Vance is even at odds with his own former classmates at Yale, like Vivek Ramaswame, who he literally named his son after.
If you believe in normalizing hatred towards any ethnic group, toward whites, towards blacks, towards Hispanics, towards Jews, towards Indians, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
Period.
And I will not apologize for that.
I will not hedge when I say it.
If you believe, and you will forgive me for giving you an exact quote from our online commentator Nick Fuentes, if you believe that Hitler was pretty fucking cool, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
You can debate foreign-named Israel all you want.
That's fine.
That's fair, but you have no place with that level of hatred.
You can debate the right resolution of the Russia-Ukraine war, but if you believe Joseph Stalin is someone to look up to, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
If you call Usha Vance, the second lady of the United States of America, a jeet, you have no place in the future of the conservative movement.
And if you can't say those things without stuttering, then you have no place as a leader at any level in the conservative movement either.
I don't really understand why it's such a controversial thing or such a controversial policy to take, a controversial position to take.
It should be very easy for Vice President JD Vance, who wants to run for president of the United States, to say these things.
Like, why would he have an issue with his good friend from Yale, from Yale Law School, Vivek Ramaswame, who he literally named his son after?
You know, JD Vance's wife is Indian.
He has kids.
They're Indian.
He named one of his sons, Vivek.
Why would he have an issue agreeing with his good old friend Vivek Ramaswame from Ohio, who's now running for governor of the state of Ohio?
Why would he?
Doesn't he agree that we shouldn't be supporting people or welcoming people into the tent who call Usha Vance a dirty Jeet?
Don't we, doesn't he agree that we shouldn't be welcoming people into the tent who call his children mud children?
It's kind of bizarre how Vivek can say this.
And again, I'm not attacking the vice president, but I do find it to be very bizarre that we can hear this very clear message from Vivek Ramaswamy, but we can't hear the same clear message from the vice president of the United States.
Like, why can't JD Vance say, yeah, you know, I agree with everything that Vivek said and then say it in his own way?
Why does he have to say, well, I didn't come here today with a list of people that I'm going to disavow or deplatform?
Nobody asks you to deplatform anybody.
Stop making this about censorship.
This is about having moral integrity and having moral clarity.
This is about being a leader.
And when you're a leader, you have to sometimes set a moral standard.
And if we don't set a moral standard, then we're no different than the left that is practicing abortion on demand and communism and celebrating assassination culture.
opening up our country and our borders to criminal illegal aliens and fentanyl.
We're no better than those people if we're not going to have a sense of moral clarity.
So that's my message to JD Vance.
Again, I really like JD Vance.
I want to vote for JD Vance, but I also need to see that JD Vance is going to exercise moral clarity on this issue.
I really like JD Vance.
I'm not a Vance hater.
I swear to God, I had a meeting with JD Vance.
I really like JD Vance and all of my public statements will back that up.
But I'm getting very concerned that as his close friend, Tucker Carlson, whose son is literally employed in the office of the vice president at the White House, I'm getting very, very concerned that as Tucker Carlson goes around calling for Jewish Trump supporters to have FBI files opened on them, which is what he said about me to the Washington Post, as he goes around saying that he's going to go buy property in Doha Qatar,
as he goes around saying that Qatar is a great place for Christians to live, all while knowing that they jail Christians and Jews in Qatar and they even punish it, punish proselytizing anything other than Islam and Qatar by death.
I'm getting very concerned about his promotion of World War II revisionism and Holocaust denial.
I'm getting very concerned about his denial of the persecution and the genocide of Christians in Nigeria.
And yes, he really did do that.
We have the clip here, clip number 32.
We can go ahead and play that clip.
Again, I'm not making this up.
You can hear it in his own words.
He doesn't think that Christians are really being persecuted or genocided by Muslims in Nigeria.
Deeply concerned about Lee, but he's all of a sudden, kind of out of nowhere, deeply concerned about the play of Christians in Nigeria, which I want to restate.
Maybe a totally concerned, I don't know.
But that's weird.
What is that?
All of a sudden, everybody's concerned about people who clearly have no track record being interested in Christians at all, including Ted Cruz.
It's been going on for a long time, and President Trump has called it out.
So again, I'm really concerned that when Tucker makes these statements, we don't hear any kind of criticism from JD Vance.
Like, how far is his loyalty to Tucker Carlson going to go?
He's my friend.
I'm not going to disavow him.
To what length?
Like, how far is Tucker going to be able to take this before the vice president who wants to be president steps in and says, you know, no, I don't agree with this.
No, this isn't what we stand for as a party.
It's very dangerous and it's going to make people think that they are not going to be able to vote with their moral conscience.
When they say vote with your moral conscious, they're not going to be able to vote Republican in 2028.
And so if I didn't like JD Vance, I wouldn't be saying any of this because I would say, I don't care.
I'm not going to say anything about this.
Go let Gavin Newsom win.
But I do.
I like JD Vance and I care about JD Vance and I would like to see Republicans win, which is why I'm sounding the alarm about this and encouraging JD Vance to really distance himself from Tucker Katarlson and to be more forward in his speaking like the Vaik Ramaswame in condemning his good friend,
Vivek, who he named his son after, in condemning this growing cancer in the Republican Party before it's too late, before it's too late and we lose our entire country.
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