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EP121: White House Vetting Crisis Worsens

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	journalist Conservative journalist by the name of Laura Loomer.
	If America's men acted like Laura Loomer, our problems would be fixed in about five minutes.
	Chained herself to Twitter.
	She chained herself.
	Chained herself.
	Chained herself.
	Good evening and welcome to episode 121 of Loomer Unleashed.
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	We have a pretty anticipated episode tonight.
	We're going to be talking about the worsening White House betting crisis.
	Now, this is something that I decided to make a beat.
	I didn't realize I was going to be taking over entire episodes of my show.
	I really created this segment on my show about a month and a half or so ago.
	When I saw just all of the terrible picks, right?
	There's so many bad picks for positions within the Trump administration.
	And there's also a lot of Biden holdovers still left over.
	And look, I love President Trump.
	I am one of President Trump's, if not President Trump's, biggest advocate.
	And I say that because...
	I'm not working for President Trump.
	I'm not getting paid by President Trump.
	I'm not in the Trump White House.
	I wasn't even on the Trump campaign.
	And yet, I feel like every single day, it's a full-time job just to make sure the president is protected and that he's receiving the information that he needs to receive and that people are doing their due diligence and betting on a lot of the people who have been welcomed into the Trump administration and welcomed into the White House.
	You know, the president kind of made a deal with the devil when he decided to welcome Democrats into his cabinet in this agreement to get the Maha movement over to MAGA, even though they like to differentiate themselves as an entirely different movement.
	Right.
	These people call themselves Maha.
	They don't really call themselves MAGA.
	And really, it's the MAGA base that got Donald Trump elected and put Donald Trump in the White House.
	And you see that there's a lot of these, you know, Maha operatives who, in my opinion, they operate like.
	And it's almost like they're holding members of the Trump administration hostage, where they put a metaphorical gun to Trump's head and they say, well, Bobby Kennedy is not going to drop out of the presidential election unless you give us everything that we want.
	And if you don't give us everything that we want, then we're going to have Bobby have a contingent election and you're not going to be president and it's going to be a contingent election.
	No, that's not me making that up.
	No, that's not a conspiracy theory.
	That was literally the entire game plan of the Kennedy campaign, was the idea that Kennedy and the funders of his American Values PAC were literally out there talking to the media about how they wanted to create a contingent election.
	What does that mean?
	That's when neither candidate on the ballot gets 270 electoral votes, and thus you have...
	A contingent election, and then the President of the United States is then decided by members of Congress.
	So they wanted to actually deprive every single citizen of this country, the Kennedy campaign, just so people understand what these people represent and what Kennedy supporters are all about.
	These people wanted to completely deprive every single American citizen of their right They knew that he couldn't win an election.
	They knew it.
	And what did they do?
	They used people like Nicole Shanahan to fund Bobby Kennedy's campaign.
	And they were very strategic in the states that they wanted him to be in the ballot on.
	And American Values PAC was admitting this to the media, that their goal is to create a contingent election so that neither candidate would receive 270 electoral votes.
	So this was a sabotage effort from the very beginning.
	You could almost...
	You know, accused these people of trying to extort Donald Trump and his political allies.
	And so then when push came to shove and Bobby Kennedy realized that, you know, Biden wasn't going to allow him to have Secret Service and when he wasn't allowed to debate on the Democrat stage and he decided to be an independent, right?
	And then he realized that wasn't going to go anywhere and they were running out of money.
	Then he finally came to the table after, you know, he...
	Recorded President Trump's phone call with him behind President Trump's back, if you recall that really messy scandal, and then released that tape publicly to the media as like a power move on Donald Trump.
	And then shortly after that, right, it's like people saying kumbaya, held hands, and then we saw them on stage together at a Turning Point event in, I believe it was Arizona.
	And then, you know, there's all this talk about Bobby Kennedy being nominated after the election to oversee HHS.
	So why do I bring this up?
	Because I just think that it's really important for people to understand that Kennedy and his supporters in Maha were never true Trump supporters, right?
	Everything they did was done out of extortion.
	They literally tried to extort Donald Trump and they tried to extort the MAGA movement.
	And so, these aren't people who operate in good faith.
	It's not like these Kennedy supporters or people in the Maha movement who came from the Kennedy camp.
	Because look, the Maha movement itself existed prior to...
	Kennedy running for president, right?
	This was a coalition of mothers and concerned parents who were trying to raise awareness about vaccine-injured children, children who got autism as a result of getting vaccines.
	We know that vaccines cause autism.
	And then you had all these grifters that decided to attach themselves to the Kennedy presidential campaign who then wanted to make money hawking their books and hawking their supplements and, you know, posting on Instagram and trying to pretend like They're suburban housewives, celebrities, right?
	Creating these kind of cult-like followings where they really misrepresented themselves as advocates for the people when really they were just trying to extort President Trump and the MAGA movement the entire time so that they could gain political influence and financial influence and enrich themselves and their family members.
	We're going to talk about this tonight with my upcoming guest, Dr. Mary Talley-Boden.
	Who, unfortunately, had to have negative interactions and experiences with many of these individuals in the Maha movement.
	And she has a lot of firsthand experience and firsthand knowledge that she's going to share with us tonight as somebody who really is a true medical professional, a real licensed doctor who is trying to treat people and help people who have been injured by vaccines and provide adequate medical care.
	We're going to have a conversation tonight about this worsening White House vetting crisis.
	I want to tee this up for you.
	How did we all come to talking about this and why is there now this civil war erupting in Maha and MAGA?
	Look, President Trump is surrounded by people who want to exercise nepotism as it relates to their appointments.
	You have a lot of people that have their own personal financial ties, their own personal preferences as it relates to enriching themselves, enriching their companies, wanting to put their kids in positions in the White House, trying to help their nieces, their nephews, their in-laws.
	We've seen this incestuous...
	You know, meritless system of political appointments on both sides of the aisle.
	It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or, you know, you're talking about the Trump administration.
	And unfortunately, right, when Donald Trump made the, in my opinion, misguided decision of And who knows if it was even Trump, right?
	Because I personally believe that a lot of these appointments were made by other people and then they just were like, yeah, President Trump, this person's great.
	Trust us.
	Don't worry.
	Don't worry.
	Don't ask any questions.
	Just appoint this person, right?
	So somebody, right, appointed Michael Waltz or convinced Donald Trump to appoint Michael Waltz as national security advisor.
	Well, you know, he's since been demoted and exiled to Siberia and now he's...
	The UN ambassador.
	It's kind of a nothing position.
	But I suppose the White House just didn't want to deal with another rogue former staffer writing a tell-all book and trashing Trump in the press, which is what we saw as a daily occurrence in the first Trump administration.
	So they bring on Michael Waltz, right?
	They pull him out of his Florida congressional seat, which causes chaos here in the state of Florida.
	And then, you know, as we saw following my meeting with President Trump, obviously the president felt compelled to demote Michael Waltz and fire a lot of the officials that he appointed at NSC.
	Well, when they brought on Michael Waltz, all of a sudden they're like, oh, well, we're going to have Jeanette Nishwat be the Surgeon General.
	And everybody was like, well, this woman...
	It's a Fox News pundit.
	You know, like, where'd this woman come from?
	She's just kind of like this, you know, like, low-grade doctor on TV who's, you know, hawking the COVID vaccines, telling everybody that they're a danger to society and that they're causing harm to our country if they don't get vaccinated.
	Even after we had data that showed that...
	These vaccines were more like death shots, right?
	And they were killing kids.
	And, you know, like all these stories of young children dropping dead on soccer fields.
	Young, healthy, pregnant mothers dropping dead, having aneurysms, right?
	Young athletes having to give up their dreams because they got myocarditis.
	Young people getting turbo cancer.
	I mean, look, even the first lady of Florida got diagnosed with breast cancer shortly after her and her husband decided to get jabbed, right?
	And pushed the jab on everybody else here in the state of Florida.
	So now we're dealing with the consequences of this mass jab campaign.
	Turbo cancer, myocarditis, all types of health issues, right?
	I thank God every day that I never took the COVID jab, but I had enough common sense to actually read the insert and to not inject myself with an experimental DNA modifier.
	A lot of people just didn't have that common sense.
	You know, Jeanette faced a lot of criticism and a lot of people wanted her gone.
	And she was supposed to be confirmed in front of the Senate yesterday.
	Well, over the weekend, I decided to release an expose on her.
	And I know for a fact that it made its way to the desk of the president.
	And I believe that sometime over the weekend they decided, I was told actually, that they decided to rescind her nomination.
	And so Jeanette had her nomination pulled.
	You know, I was hoping that they were going to pick somebody as her replacement who is actually more qualified, but then I guess Bobby Kennedy decided that he was going to go to President Trump and provide his own personal recommendation.
	So from what I was told, Bobby Kennedy then, and we have this article here up on the screen, so let's just show everybody, right?
	Trump pulled Surgeon General pick following Laura Leamer complaints.
	Dr. Jeanette Nishwat was slated to appear for a confirmation hearing on Thursday.
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	President Trump pulled his nomination of Dr. Jeanette Nishwa as U.S. Surgeon General Wednesday, just a day before she was expected to appear before the Senate for her confirmation hearing.
	Dr. Casey Means is the new pick, Trump said in a true social post.
	Her academic achievements, right?
	That's the first thing that Trump leads with.
	Why?
	Because Bobby Kennedy, after he got wind that they were going to pull the nomination of Jeanette Nishwa.
	went to trump and said you have to nominate this woman casey means she's phenomenal uh she was top of her class at stanford right and look I know President Trump.
	Everybody knows that President Trump really values educational pedigree.
	And so for some reason, President Trump thought that it was a good accomplishment for her to be top of her class at Stanford when really the president and his advisor should have been asking, well, what are her medical credentials, right?
	Like you're going to be the U.S. Surgeon General.
	What are your credentials?
	Well, it turns out that Casey Means doesn't even have a valid medical license.
	Now it's caused this whole controversy, and a lot of people, including my next guest, who's going to be joining me momentarily, has a lot to say about this.
	Because, you know, you would think that if you want somebody who's going to be the spokesperson for the medical field and somebody who's going to be the spokesperson as it relates to medical advice in our country, it's somebody that should at least be an active practicing physician, a licensed physician.
	But unfortunately, you know, that's not what we're seeing.
	Before we get to my next guest, Dr. Mary Talley-Boden, I want to just take a moment to thank the sponsor of tonight's episode of Loomer Unleashed, and that is Kirk Elliott Precious Metals.
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	All right.
	What we've all been waiting for now.
	Joining me now to discuss the implosion with the recent nomination of Casey Means as the new U.S. Surgeon General and what it means for public health and medicine in America and what it means as it relates to the trust of the American people as it pertains to the field of medicine and science is Dr. Mary Talley Bowden.
	Doctor, thank you so much.
	It's great to actually have a real licensed medical professional joining me tonight.
	I'm kind of shocked and perplexed that, you know, you have to have a license to cut hair in the United States of America, but you don't have to have a license to be the U.S. Surgeon General.
	Yeah, that's an excellent point.
	I mean, it's funny because I don't think five years ago I would have cared whatsoever who the Surgeon General was, but I think this pick is significant.
	Because we're coming off the heels of the largest public health crisis in our lifetime.
	And the biggest issue we have, besides these mRNA shots that the government is recommending all babies get three of by the time they're nine months old, but besides that is trust.
	And I see that every day in my office.
	I mean, people are scared to go to other doctors.
	They're scared to go to the hospital.
	They're scared to take basic medications like antibiotics.
	Because the government destroyed trust and doctors destroyed trust.
	And this is an opportunity for the government to help restore trust by sending out a messenger who is credible.
	And to be credible, you have to be credentialed.
	And I have nothing personally against Casey Means, but she did not complete her training, period.
	So let me explain to you what medical training is.
	Because there seems to be a lot of confusion out there.
	First of all, four years of college.
	Then you do four years of medical school.
	That's everybody.
	You get a medical license after four years of medical school.
	That does not mean that you are allowed to go out and start treating patients.
	After the four years of medical school, then you do a residency.
	And the length of that residency varies depending on what you decide to focus on.
	So a primary care doctor typically does three years.
	A surgeon typically does at least five years.
	As an ENT, and that's what I am, I'm also an ENT, we do five years of residency.
	So the entire process is at least nine years.
	Casey dropped out at year eight, four years into her residency.
	She did not complete her training, and she has not maintained her license.
	She can't write prescriptions.
	And I can tell you, I am a much different doctor now than I was in my fourth year of residency.
	There is something completely, you know, just very invaluable to go into a room with a patient multiple times a day, sit down, hear their problems.
	You live medicine.
	You experience medicine.
	It trains you along the way.
	Without that experience, it's hard for anybody to have their finger on the pulse of what is going on in healthcare.
	I'm very tempted to retire after everything that's happened, but I don't want to because I feel like it really keeps me knowing what's going on with people.
	Yeah, and not just the level of trust with the American people after, you know, the China virus killed 1.2 million American citizens and millions of other people around the world, but I think also we need to have a level of trust within this relationship between medical professionals in their own community.
	And what I worry about is you have somebody like Casey Means who, you know, not only finished, I've been around in this industry for a very long time,
	and I know what an astroturfed campaign looks like when I see one, and I know what it looks like when a movement has financing behind it and when a movement is truly organic.
	It's strange to me that she created this whole storyline around how she didn't finish her residency because she thought that it was so corrupt and her patients weren't getting better, and yet...
	We found out today in an explosive article that came out in the LA Times that she actually didn't finish her residency because she has a severe anxiety disorder, according to her colleagues, who said that she came to them saying she couldn't complete her residency and do her work because of the anxiety that she was dealing with, the stress.
	I mean, that's not somebody who, you know, practice.
	It'd be one thing if you had a private practice for years and, you know, you were a renowned surgeon and you were just like so disillusioned with the medical field.
	And we saw a lot of those people, right?
	They had their licenses taken from them because they wanted to prescribe hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.
	And they were attacked by big pharma during the lockdowns and the COVID crisis in our country.
	But that's not the case with her.
	She clearly has something to hide.
	Just like you wouldn't, there's standards in the military, right?
	Like if you had a certain surgery or you've ever taken antidepressants, you literally cannot go and serve in the military.
	You will be disqualified and you will not pass the recruitment paperwork.
	I think there should be some standards, right, for whoever's going to be the Surgeon General.
	Now, you don't have to be an actual surgeon to be the Surgeon General, which is strange given the fact that it's called U.S. Surgeon General.
	But you would expect that...
	This person should at least have an active medical license.
	And my concern is that this woman has more to hide than she's really bringing to the table.
	And it's pretty obvious that the Trump administration did not do any vetting into her.
	It appears that she was fast tracked into this role, given her her ties to RFK Jr.
	And the fact that her own brother, Callie Means, has been brought into the Trump administration as a health advisor, even though he himself admitted on Joe Rogan show that he was a never Trumper.
	And then because he saw opportunity in, you know, in RFK being able to advance his own medical agenda, they all decided then at the last minute that they were going to support Trump.
	Right.
	After spending the entire campaign season bashing him.
	Thoughts on that?
	Because.
	If you're just having these self-obsessed people bashing doctors, talking about how evil doctors are and how evil pharmaceuticals are and how evil everything is.
	I mean, let's be honest.
	You can't treat everything with a holistic nature.
	Some people really do need medication.
	Exactly.
	I think the pendulum is swinging too far in the other direction.
	Like I said, I have people that are scared to even take antibiotics.
	They're gravitating towards remedies that are not proven, and they're just rejecting all forms of healthcare.
	And that's sort of, that's Casey embodies that in a lot of ways.
	I mean, my antenna were up when I found out she dropped out in her fourth year because that is unusual.
	My guess, and having been a fourth-year, fifth-year resident, it is very hard.
	I mean, it is super stressful.
	I joke that it's like a prison sentence.
	It's mentally and physically grueling.
	And my guess is that the system sort of broke her, which is, I get it.
	But most people make it through.
	Most people tough it out.
	And so it is...
	It's highly unusual to drop out at that stage of the game.
	Not so much earlier on.
	Maybe, you know, you get into your residency, say, I'm not going to do this.
	But that late in the game, very unusual.
	Why do you think there's been such a cover-up regarding, you know, the storyline surrounding why she didn't complete her residency?
	I mean, what would be the motivation of somebody like that to make up a story instead of just being honest and saying, I had an anxiety disorder and I had stress and I had to drop out.
	I'm sure there's some shame about it.
	And I'm actually shocked that the people at our former residency program said anything.
	I bet she figured no one would find out.
	So that's my guess.
	And, you know, she was able to create a narrative that really fits into what she's selling and her brand.
	So, you know, it fit.
	But I'm sure there's some shame and there's probably some regret.
	And then she probably figured no one would say anything.
	thing.
	Another point that I wanted to bring up, and this really goes back to the lack of vetting in the Trump administration as it relates to these positions, is You know, her family history, it seems to be a family enterprise between her father and her brother and their own involvement in all of these various companies,
	multi-million dollar companies, and just kind of a disconnect between the true original Maha movement and then, you know, these self-appointed spokespeople, and I'm talking about, you know, Callie and Casey, the mean siblings, especially given the fact that their own personal decisions are completely conflicting with original Maha.
	For example, I was able to, and I believe we have this screenshot, I was able to dig up old social media posts with Casey's old ex-handle from 2021 that showed that she actually decided to get vaccinated with a COVID jab live on Clubhouse, right?
	And so...
	Does it feel like the Maha movement has been co-opted by people who are pretending to be somebody who they're not?
	Because you also have her brother Callie who refused to condemn these vaccines.
	I know that we have a video clip that I'll play after you answer the question of you kind of interrogating him on a podcast and putting him on the spot about his positions as it relates to these vaccines.
	And it just seems like if these people...
	You know, truly are committed to making people's lives better.
	Why are they so focused on promoting their own products?
	Why are they so focused on things that seem to be a diversion away from the true message of Maha, which was supposed to be taking these dangerous vaccines off the market and making a schedule for parents so that children don't get autism?
	Yeah, I don't think Maha was ever about taking the COVID shots off the market, unfortunately.
	And I look at Casey and Callie as healthcare entrepreneurs.
	I don't look at them as really sincerely interested in, you know, the things that most doctors are interested in.
	Most doctors aren't out there selling products.
	And there's just a whole industry of pseudo doctors like this.
	And that to me is they've sort of taken over Maha.
	I mean, while everybody else was.
	In lockdowns and distraught over how the hospitals were treating us and treating patients and the mandates.
	They were making millions of dollars buying, selling, investing in healthcare companies.
	And the fact that they cannot simply state, go on record, that the COVID shots should be taken off the market, I think is unethical.
	We know that they are not getting any more shots.
	Callie admitted that to me on camera.
	And I feel like anybody with a big microphone who has power, who is in this space, is ethically obligated to speak out about these shots.
	If they are not safe for you, if they're not safe enough for your children, why are they safe enough for anyone else?
	Because the CDC currently recommends that everybody get an annual shot.
	All babies get three shots by the time they're nine months old.
	Everybody that's staying silent, including Kennedy, has blood on their hands.
	Yeah, I want to go ahead and show you this screenshot because we like to document everything here with receipts.
	And I want to play this video clip that shows that she got the COVID vaccine live on Clubhouse.
	So here you play the clip.
	Let's put it full screen here so everybody can see it.
	It's a guy named...
	Malik, MD, who said, love this.
	That was her old handle.
	Dr. Casey Kitchen, CMO and co-founder at Levels, is on Joint Clubhouse and is literally getting her COVID-19 vaccine this moment while being tonight's guest with A16Z.
	You know, that's obviously Marc Andreessen's company.
	Amazing moment.
	So, you know.
	It just seems a little crazy to me that out of all the doctors who we were told were going to revolutionize medicine in America, we now have a full-blown grifter.
	Somebody who has completely...
	Subverted the entire movement, pretending to be somebody like you, or somebody like, you know, an original Maha mom, now presenting herself in this manner that she's going to challenge the establishment, but everything with her behavior suggests that she is part of the establishment.
	I mean, I'm not really looking at somebody who I think is a revolutionary figure, a transformative figure in healthcare.
	I'm looking at somebody who made a lot of money working with data collection companies, okay, keeping people's biometric data, their DNA data.
	That's, of course, what she was doing before she apparently had this revelation to, you know, go talk to the trees and eat some shrooms.
	And, I mean, this is all documented on her newsletter, which, you know, I've been reporting on this week.
	Somebody who has a...
	Like, long history or career path challenging the medical establishment.
	In fact, I would say that her and her brother are quite entrenched in the medical establishment, despite their public cries that they are not affiliated with these individuals in Big Pharma.
	And then they love tossing around accusations accusing people of being funded by Big Pharma.
	I mean, literally, when I ran for Congress, right, I received heat from all these leftist publications because I got COVID really bad.
	And I was on the campaign trail in 2020.
	I think I wore a mask for like, you know, the first week, you know, when they said, oh, 15 days to slow the spread.
	And then afterwards I was like, okay, I'm not doing this anymore.
	And then you have to like literally wear a mask to go inside Publix to get groceries.
	So I think I did that too.
	And then I immediately took it off and I got really bad asthma as a result of getting COVID.
	But I was trashed.
	And they said that we hope that Laura Loomer dies.
	And there was a post in the Daily Mail saying that I was on my deathbed because I got COVID and I was telling people to not take the vaccine.
	And so for Callie to go online today and falsely accuse me of all people of being paid off by Big Pharma, it's just so crazy.
	And it's totally dishonest that people can't handle legitimate criticisms about their background.
	So they start falsely accusing people of...
	Working against Donald Trump, when I'm arguably Donald Trump's biggest advocate, and accusing people like me of being paid off by Big Pharma, accusing you of being jealous, right?
	I saw a lot of people like that today saying that you're jealous.
	What are your thoughts on this, and do you think that it's concerning that somebody who took the vaccine was nominated to be U.S. Surgeon General?
	Yeah, I mean, I can forgive her for getting...
	The COVID shot, I guess.
	I mean, the government spent $11.5 billion brainwashing the public.
	And yeah, she's a doctor.
	She should have done better.
	But, you know, she could go back.
	I mean, most doctors regret, most people regret getting the COVID shots.
	And it's just very suspicious that she will not say anything.
	So, yeah, it's problematic.
	On many levels, as you as you noted, there's so many great candidates out there.
	And yeah, I'm not jealous because I have absolutely no desire to be surgeon general or even get near Washington, D.C. But there are you know, I was with Kelly Victory last weekend at a conference and I know her pretty well.
	I see her at this conference every year and she's close friends with Kennedy.
	They've known each other 30 years.
	And she told us, sort of, you know, under the table, yeah, you know, Kennedy called me last week and said, you know, send us your resume for the third time, because they vetted her before, they'd interviewed her before for the Surgeon General, had been back and forth.
	They said, okay, Jeanette Neshwat is out, and you're going to be it.
	And so we were all sort of celebrating, saying, great, great, you know, because, you know, Kelly is...
	Very well credentialed, and she's very comfortable in the media.
	And, you know, she's also, unfortunately, she's been outspoken about the COVID shots.
	And I honestly think that's what killed it.
	But we were all under the impression that weekend that Kelly Victory was going to be announced as Surgeon General this week.
	So it was quite the surprise when that didn't happen.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	I think it's kind of shocking, and I think it's really disturbing that nobody decided to do any background information.
	Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can actually be suspended from a residency program if you get caught using recreational drugs, and you can have your license revoked as a physician if you're caught using recreational drugs or have drugs in your system.
	I'm not just talking about, like, medication prescriptions.
	I'm talking about hardcore controlled substances if you were to be randomly drug tested, correct?
	Well, it's against the law, so yes.
	I don't know specifics on what the punishments are, but yeah, it's against the law, and certainly our next Surgeon General shouldn't be promoting the use of recreational drugs, especially now with the opioid crisis.
	Yeah, it's just like really contrary and conflicting messaging.
	I mean, we just saw an announcement from Attorney General Pam Bondi about a massive seizure of fentanyl and psilocybin, the largest seizure of psilocybin and fentanyl in U.S. history.
	The other day.
	And then the same day that they announced a seizure of fentanyl and psilocybin, they appoint a woman, Casey Means, to be Surgeon General.
	When I believe we have the screenshots here, I posted this on my X account, if we can get these pulled up.
	She's talking about using shrooms, which is psilocybin.
	She calls it plant medicine instead of actually, you know, calling it what it is, a controlled substance, which is illegal.
	And I think it's really concerning because, again, how are medical professionals supposed to respect the Office of the Surgeon General when we have a...
	That's a different one.
	Let's get the other one up on the screen.
	Different tweet.
	When you have a Surgeon General who is openly talking about recreational drug use and her brother admitted to the Wall Street Journal in an article that his entire entrepreneurial career involving medicine started with a psychedelic trip.
	Can we get these screenshots up on the screen, please?
	So I want to show everybody these screenshots.
	But thoughts on that?
	Because I also know that you have to be able to pass a drug test to work in the White House.
	And now we have Callie Means, who's openly talking about his psychedelic trips on shrooms and psilocybin, working as an official advisor in the Trump White House.
	Yeah, it's concerning, to say the least.
	It's just not sort of the role model you want to present to the American public, I would say.
	It's pretty cut and dry, in my opinion.
	Yeah, definitely.
	While we're looking for these graphics and getting them pulled up on the screen, I want to go ahead and play this video clip of you confronting...
	Oh, here we go.
	Let's scroll down.
	Let's just go ahead and play the clip.
	Let's just go ahead and play the clip of you confronting Callie because they don't have the right tweet up.
	Let's go ahead and play the clip.
	Oh, here we go.
	Let's get it up.
	Scroll down.
	He attacked me today.
	You can scroll down and see what he said.
	Just received information that Laura Loomer is taking money from the industry to scuttle President Trump's agenda.
	Laura Loomer, if that's incorrect, sue me and let's do discovery.
	So, you know, he wants to be a clout chaser and use my name.
	I'm in the media every day.
	Obviously, you know, I'm in the news a lot lately because President Trump has...
	You know, acted on my recommendations.
	Trying to be a clout chaser, trying to say, oh, sue me, let's go to Discovery.
	When, you know, look, it's a very provocative thing, in my opinion, for him to falsely accuse me without any evidence of taking money from Big Pharma.
	And you can go to my tweet and what I said, and, you know, we'll just read it live on air.
	Roll up.
	I said, Callie, you're so full of shit.
	You are a PR spin master.
	Funny how you never want to talk about your career in PR and crisis management.
	So he had a PR company, and he worked with a PR company, and he does crisis management.
	So he's very capable of spinning up these narratives.
	Let's get it back on the screen.
	And, you know, he doesn't disclose his own background.
	And so he accuses me of taking money, but then he's lying about the real reason why his sister didn't finish residency, as we just discussed.
	Yes, we went over this, but I want to show the screenshots to everybody so people don't think that this is just a gossip hour with you.
	Let's go through each of these screenshots really quick.
	Trump's pick for Surgeon General quit medical residency due to stress, former department chair says.
	Callie's all over social media saying that she quit because she's so brave and she stood up to the medical establishment and, you know, she's such a hero.
	Well, that's not true, right?
	So there's lie number one.
	Let's go through the next screenshot.
	You see here Dr. Paul Flint, a former chair at Oregon Health and Science University, said Means resigned from the residency because of anxiety.
	So as you said earlier, her own colleagues are calling her out because of her lies, her lies about her own background.
	Her qualifications.
	That's one of the reasons why Jeanette Nishwat had her nomination pulled, is because she was fibbing on her qualifications and her records and her credentials, saying that she went to an American medical school when she actually went to a medical school in the Caribbean, right?
	So that's lie number two.
	Next.
	Now here's a screenshot from her newsletter, right?
	She's talking about things she did when she wanted to find love.
	She prayed to photos of her ancestors, talking about manifestations and mantras, okay, whatever.
	She talked to a spiritual medium.
	Now, you know, President Trump worked extremely hard to get the evangelical Christian vote.
	And I just want to know, what kind of message is this sending to evangelical Christians when you have a woman who's been nominated to be Surgeon General talking about stirring up demons and spirits by speaking to a spiritual medium?
	A lot of Christians would call that witchcraft and voodoo.
	A lot of people have a serious issue with communicating with spirits and talking to the dead through spiritual mediums.
	Full moon ceremonies.
	That's very strange.
	Talking to trees.
	She says she literally would talk to the trees.
	Kind of like schizophrenic behavior, you know?
	Talking about plant medicine experiments, a.k.a.
	doing shrooms with trusted guides.
	It sounds like, you know, an ayahuasca trip where you go and you sit in the middle of a jungle and they have these spiritual guides that give you these illicit drugs and then you basically sweat and you trip and then you sit in this kumbaya circle and talk about all your hippie dreams.
	And then she puts a mushroom at the end so she's obviously talking about shrooms because she doesn't want to say psilocybin because that would implicate herself in a crime since psilocybin is an illegal controlled substance.
	Thoughts on this?
	Yeah, I mean, it would not be hard to find a much more qualified candidate that doesn't have things like that all over the internet.
	So yes, she wasn't vetted.
	It was a failure in really doing their homework.
	So would you agree with my assessment that there is a vetting crisis at the White House?
	100%.
	And if President Trump were to be watching this episode right now or were to receive a copy of this clip, what would your message be to President Trump as it relates to the guidance that Bobby Kennedy gave him as it relates to his nomination of Casey Means?
	There are just a slew of better people ready and waiting who have proved themselves during the pandemic.
	They spoke up when it was hard to do so at great personal risk.
	They have high integrity.
	They are not talking about doing recreational drugs on the internet.
	They are financially agnostic.
	I can name five of them off the top of my head.
	So it wouldn't be that hard to find a better person.
	Her brother has been described as a medical entrepreneur.
	Do you think that there's a conflict of interest that exists with having these siblings working together in such close proximity in official administration jobs when he himself has various companies, including TruMed?
	This is a company that he co-founded, and then his wife apparently lived in China for several months where she was trying to raise money and get investments from Chinese individuals.
	Do you think that this is, you know, a big red flag and another vetting, you know...
	Just a vetting oversight.
	Given the fact that we are still reeling from the implications of the China virus and the way that China devastated our country so much during this scam-demic, as I like to call it, I just find it to be a massive conflict of interest that kind of degrades the office of the U.S. Surgeon General.
	You have a woman whose brother is a medical tech entrepreneur making millions of dollars off of his investments and his companies in the medical field.
	Don't you feel that this opens up the potential for exploitation and the way that he could, you know, present himself or leverage his relationship with his sister, who is set to be the U.S. Surgeon General?
	Yeah, so he has a company called TruMed, and what that does is they have products on their website that you can buy using HSA money.
	That's pre-tax money.
	You get a tax break.
	And normally that kind of money goes towards, you know, medications, surgery, very cut and dry medical care.
	But these products are, it's a little sketchy.
	Like they have a bed on there called Eight Sleep, which if you really dig into this bed, it's a very expensive bed, $4,000.
	There's no scientific data showing that it improves any kind of sleep outcomes or sleep health.
	Yet, you know, you can use, The U.S. taxpayer money to buy that off of his website.
	So expanding those HSA accounts is a huge windfall for Cali.
	And yeah, it's not big pharma.
	But can you imagine if somebody connected with Pfizer was in Cali's position right now?
	Can you imagine the uproar that people would have?
	So it is a definite conflict of interest for him.
	And he's a special government employee.
	So he is in a position now.
	And then, of course, with his sister becoming Surgeon General, same thing.
	And it's vitally important after everything that happened during the pandemic that we don't make the same mistakes that we have continued to make if we have any hope of restoring trust.
	Yeah, and I think that it opens the door for potential tax fraud, and it's going to create scandals for the Trump administration, because, you know, could you imagine the Surgeon General advocating for her brother's company and saying, oh, you know, I encourage all of you to go get this mattress or start hawking products that her brother has affiliations with on his website?
	I mean...
	As you said before, there would be so much outrage if people from Pfizer were in this position or Big Pharma.
	We'd be hearing all this public outcry about the Big Pharma conflicts of interest, but this is just as much of a conflict of interest.
	And the fact that they didn't tell the president any of this, I was told that Donald Trump...
	Didn't know any of this.
	That the president was not made aware of any of these facts and Bobby Kennedy did not tell Donald Trump any of this information as it relates to the conflict of interest.
	And it's almost like Bobby Kennedy is trying to set Trump up for a scandal, right?
	And when we just saw this announcement the other day of a massive $20 million, and we can pull this up too, a $20 million advertisement campaign that the HHS department is going to be...
	Carrying out for the sake of commercials.
	Just type in, I think it's HHS $20 million Kennedy.
	Just type that in in Google and see what pops up.
	There's an article I saw.
	And it's almost like it's a shadow presidential campaign ahead of 2028.
	You see that all the people who, here we go.
	Kennedy planning $20 million HHS take back your health campaign.
	So it's a four-year initiative.
	And what this really is, is it's like a shadow presidential campaign on taxpayer money for $20 million so that he can be on TV and presenting himself as some kind of a hero.
	On the expense of the taxpayers here, while his entire staff at HHS are all of his former campaign employees, including Stephanie Spear, an avowed Marxist and climate change radical, who founded a group called EcoWatch that is still using their X account to this day to trash President Trump.
	So I don't even think President Trump is aware of the fact that Kennedy is trying to exploit and abuse taxpayer money in his position as HHS secretary to literally launch a shadow.
	Well, even if it's not that agenda, the government needs to just go away and stop telling everybody how to be healthy.
	I think everybody's a little traumatized after COVID with all the messaging from the federal government.
	I mean, I miss the good old days when I didn't really know anything about the FDA or CDC.
	You know, they just kind of kept it themselves.
	So it's really discouraging to see that $20 million of more propaganda is going out with this new initiative.
	Yeah, and that's exactly what it is.
	It's propaganda.
	I know we said we were going to play this clip.
	So I want to go ahead and play this clip so that people can see, you know, where you're coming from as a medical professional, as a real doctor, a real licensed doctor, and your direct confrontation with Callie means the brother of Casey Means in a discussion about taking these vaccines off the market.
	And I want to remind everybody as you're watching this clip that Callie Means has been brought into the White House, the Trump administration, as a special government employee to be a health advisor to Donald Trump and Robert Kennedy.
	Personally, do you feel like the COVID shot should be pulled off the market?
	Yes or no?
	I'll give you my personal opinion.
	I think there should be absolutely no mandates.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	I think that we have an opportunity in the next year to truly reset science.
	This is what I feel.
	And we have an opportunity to have Jay Bhattacharya, who's a close friend, who I, you know, strongly push to be at the NIH, to call everyone together, review the science.
	Have truth and reconciliation, bring that out to people, and have a process for that.
	I think it's a general...
	So, Jack...
	The answer is no.
	The answer is no.
	That is a policy position that I'm calling for the COVID shots to be immediately pulled from the market.
	No, you're not answering the question.
	You're doing exactly what your training has told you to do.
	Hold on, Jack.
	That's the reason we're sitting here.
	Jack?
	Jack?
	I am saying that as a policy position...
	I think that we should have absolute data transparency, no mandates.
	We have so much data.
	We have too much data.
	Okay, Danny just had Kevin McKiernan on the Jam Podcast.
	Let me talk.
	You let me talk now.
	Hold on, hold on, hold on.
	You let me talk.
	Let me ask you a question.
	Let me ask you a question.
	And this is not like a debate.
	I don't see this as a debate.
	I actually legitimately...
	I don't think it's a debate either.
	Hold on, Jack.
	Why are you so angry?
	Because I don't trust you.
	Okay, well...
	I think you're full of shit.
	And Mary just uncovered why you're full of shit.
	Because you can't say yes or no.
	Let me just tell you something, Callie.
	When you say to the American public that my children can't have the shot, so we can't say anything...
	For anybody else?
	To me, that's incongruous.
	So you would argue that Trump and RFK should come out with an immediate ban of the COVID shot today?
	Absolutely.
	Is that your recommendation?
	My point, it should have happened with Operation Warp Speed.
	It should have happened in the first month.
	Correct.
	I think as a policy process, we need to have truth and reconciliation.
	Let's talk about the policy process of the swine flu.
	When we had 70...
	Vaccine injured kids and we pulled it off the market.
	Hold on.
	What is the debate?
	I'm saying there should be an immediate review of the data.
	That's not the answer.
	I'm giving my answer.
	Yeah, but that's not the answer.
	Why do you think he just wouldn't answer the question?
	I mean, it is important to point out the fact that he is trained in PR.
	I believe he worked for a company called Mercury.
	And he is trained in crisis PR management.
	And there are people who have worked for Mercury who are now working in the White House itself.
	So I don't know if that's how he was able to get into the White House or whether his affiliations with Mercury and people in the White House who also have affiliations with Mercury is how he was able to get into the White House.
	But he is a trained PR crisis management expert.
	I think it's really important that people understand this when they listen to the way that he dodges questions and the way that he's, you know, you don't see Casey responding to any of these attacks on her publicly.
	She's having her brother speak for her.
	And so my question is, has Casey hired her brother, right?
	I've been told by people that he has been hired to do her PR and her...
	Crisis management.
	I've been told that some of these social media influencers who seem to have all these clips ready to go in support of her as soon as it was announced that she was going to be the Surgeon General are getting paid to promote her and to gaslight people into believing that she is worthy of being confirmed in front of the U.S. Senate.
	Thoughts on any of that?
	Have you heard any of that?
	Have you seen any of that?
	Yeah, and he's very skilled at dodging questions.
	I mean, that wasn't the first conversation or the last conversation I've had with Callie.
	I've had several phone conversations.
	There's been text messages.
	He will not go on record to state the COVID shot should be pulled off the market, even though he's not willing to get them.
	He's not going to give them to his kid.
	He doesn't want his dad to get them.
	And he's very skilled at just dodging that question.
	And so, yeah, that was my first...
	Suspicion about him because he parachuted in.
	Their book became a bestseller in May of 2024.
	So just a year ago, right?
	They had this bestselling book from out of nowhere.
	And then three months later, Kennedy drops out and joins forces with Trump.
	And Callie is the one that orchestrated that move.
	And it just, it all happened so fast.
	The timing and the intensity just didn't make sense.
	So I have said that to them, that, you know, I support their message.
	I think we need clean food and we need to, you know, promote, you know, get help with obesity.
	But they don't agree with our message.
	And that's been the problem all along.
	Yeah, and, you know, I've gotten some flack, like some people have said, oh, you know, why are you having Dr. Bowden come on your show?
	You know, she's been critical of Trump.
	Just look, at the end of the day, the position of Surgeon General is supposed to be somebody who can serve as an authority in medicine, as a spokesperson for the medical professionals in our country, and also just people in America looking for public health guidance.
	And so...
	I've had conversations with people who have been critical of President Trump, people who didn't vote for President Trump, and people who are doctors who, you know, are diehard MAGA loyalists, people who are friends with the presidents, some people who are members of his own golf clubs.
	And what's interesting is, regardless of the ideological differences with all of these people, right, some of them are on different levels of the spectrum and where they support Donald Trump, they all came to the same conclusion.
	Which is hard to find amongst people who vary in their support for President Trump.
	And that's that she is not qualified, right?
	Forget about whether or not she's a never-Trumper or a Trump loyalist.
	Let's just look at her own background and her own qualifications.
	And, you know, I'm not one of these people that is going to say that You know, oh, anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists, or, oh, you know, we need to police online information about vaccines, like Jeanette Neuschwat said, where she was congratulating the social media companies for banning people.
	But I do think that there does need to be a level of decorum and actual respect for real science.
	I'm not talking about big pharma and forcing people to take vaccines or, you know, telling people not to look at holistic medicine.
	I'm talking about having respect for medical professionals as a whole and encouraging people to get into medicine because we already have to import doctors.
	I don't think a lot of people understand this.
	We are importing surgeons from other countries around the world because we have a shortage of specialists in our country.
	I'm sure you're aware of that.
	A lot of people watching probably are not aware of that.
	There are people in this country who have to travel abroad to get medical care in some instances because they don't have enough specialists in certain areas of medicine in our country because, look, Obama destroyed the medical profession with Obamacare, and now you have these new wave of rogue, self-appointed medical experts who are pushing people away from wanting to be doctors because they're demonizing people for practicing real medicine.
	And what's going to happen in our country as it relates to public health if you have all these people saying, don't take antibiotics, go take some shrooms, right?
	I am a critic of vaccines, right?
	I have called myself an anti-vaxxer.
	I am not on Big Pharma's payroll.
	I believe vaccines give children autism, right?
	I am in favor of people looking at holistic measures to treat themselves.
	But you cannot say that we...
	Are not to use any medicine or any type of pharmaceuticals whatsoever to treat people and that the entire medical industry is completely corrupt and that every doctor is evil.
	I mean, I'm really worried about what it's going to mean for the future of medicine in our country if we have some quack like Casey means as a U.S. Surgeon General.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I mean, you know, in terms of Trump, I voted for him every time.
	I support Trump.
	I just...
	This has never been, I mean, from the start, I'm like, this is not about politics.
	This is cut and dry about health care, right?
	Right, exactly.
	And so, you know, when I speak out about the COVID shots, you know, Trump gets in that conversation.
	Yeah, look, I'm a Trump loyalist, too, and the reality is that the biggest criticism that Trump received even during his own re-election campaign is when he was talking about the jabs, and I don't know why, you know, eventually his advisors had enough common sense to tell him to stop talking about it, but that would be my only criticism.
	But I will say Donald Trump never mandated the vaccines, and so while he may feel a sense of accomplishment with Operation Warp Speed, I personally don't agree with that.
	I never took the vaccine.
	I think that President Trump was put in a very screwed up position.
	We had a bioweapon unleashed on our country by China, funded by our own government.
	And, you know, you had Fauci and Birx giving President Trump false information, trying to derail his re-election efforts.
	And you had people, Donald Trump's not a doctor.
	He's not a scientist, right?
	He's hoping that his advisors and his staff are going to provide him with adequate information.
	And so, you know.
	I don't think that Trump is to blame for all of this.
	I think that after the fact where President Trump was doing interviews talking about how amazing the job was and how amazing the job was, I think...
	There has to be some personal accountability for the words that came out of his mouth.
	And he corrected the course and he stopped talking about the COVID jobs.
	You don't hear him mention that anymore.
	But I think that Donald Trump tried to do the best that he could do given the circumstances.
	And I do believe that he was sabotaged.
	I mean, we know that he was sabotaged because there are a lot of doctors who have since come out and spoken about How President Trump was intentionally given false information to derail his presidency?
	Well, you know, I spoke to somebody today who I probably shouldn't name his name, but he was a special government employee during Operation Warp Speed.
	And he basically said, you know, Pfizer was limiting the data that they were giving them.
	So, you know, Pfizer should be on the hook for most of this, if not all, and Moderna.
	And there is a lawsuit going on right now.
	Brooke Jackson, whistleblower for Pfizer, who has been just on this five-year mission to sue Pfizer, and the DOJ is preventing them.
	The DOJ is intervening, and they're not letting this case go forward.
	So if anybody in the Trump administration is listening to this, if you could just let this play out in the courts, then let the chips fall where they may.
	But this could resolve the issue.
	Get this information out, let it go through the court system, and if Pfizer did something wrong, then we need to know about it.
	Absolutely.
	I know you have some, you know, some substack writings that you've...
	You've published on this matter.
	I want to get those up on the screen and encourage everybody to read your sub stack because, you know, obviously we have limited time tonight and we could be on this podcast for hours talking about all of your incredible findings and all of your great research and all of your reports.
	But I do want to direct people to your sub stack and you have an article that you published in December titled Is Maha a Misdirection Strategy?
	I think that everybody should read this article on your Substack.
	It's drbowden.substack.
	And I think it raises a really good point and a question that I've asked too.
	Is Maha a subversive movement?
	Is it a misdirection strategy?
	And so if you want to learn more about this and you are starting to notice all of these patterns within Maha and the subversive...
	Creatures who are trying to undermine Trump and popping out of nowhere and shape-shifting to gain political power.
	I encourage you all to go to Dr. Bowden's sub stack.
	Let's get that pulled up on the screen again so people can read it.
	Full screen.
	And you have another article too.
	Let's go ahead and get the other piece pulled up that people should read.
	And then I want to give you a few moments to, you know, any last comments or words about this.
	Let's see.
	The truth about TruMed.
	So this is another article that you wrote.
	Conflicts of interest within Maha.
	Some of what we spoke about tonight regarding, you know, TruMed, the company that was co-founded by Callie Means, who is the brother of the new Trump-appointed Surgeon General nominee.
	And you can read this sub-stock.
	I encourage all of you to read it and check it out because This isn't about jealousy.
	This isn't about, you know, whatever it is all these Maha people online are trying to say.
	This is about protecting Donald Trump from scandals, preserving the integrity of the medical field, and also being honest with the American people about real conflicts of interest and whether or not people are truly qualified or whether or not they're trying to self-enrich themselves.
	Comments?
	Thoughts?
	Yeah, I mean, the pandemic, I mean, it directly impacted every single American.
	And, you know, the pandemic is over, but mRNA shots, they're still around.
	Like I said, all babies are expected to get three mRNA shots by the time they're nine months old.
	There are 500 mRNA products in the pipeline.
	So, yeah, you may not be worried about COVID, nor should you be, but...
	Yeah, there's still a lot of mess that needs to be cleaned up.
	We need transparency.
	We need accountability.
	We need to get these shots pulled off the market.
	And we need good people in position.
	And so far, everybody up there, no one, everybody's staying silent on the elephant in the room.
	And that is highly problematic and it's going to do nothing to restore trust.
	Absolutely.
	If you could...
	You know, provide a list of, I don't know, maybe three to five people who you think could be different alternatives for the position of Surgeon General.
	Who would they be?
	Because I do think that there are a lot of people from the Trump administration who watch my show, President Trump included.
	And, you know, I'm not here to promote any one person over another.
	I'm not a doctor.
	I think that there needs to be a panel of doctors to have a discussion and advise the president on selecting a new candidate for surgeon general.
	I don't think that Bobby Kennedy should be the one to be telling President Trump who the surgeon general pick should be.
	I think that it should be a group of people who...
	Didn't work on either campaign.
	Independent health advisors who come from all different types of backgrounds so that they can come up with a very qualified Surgeon General.
	Do you have any suggestions for people who the Trump administration should reach out to or potentially look at as a replacement?
	Well, I think they should heavily consider Kelly Victory, and she would be wonderful.
	There's Joseph Latipo would be wonderful, the Surgeon General of Florida.
	Dr. Kirk Milhone, who you may not know, but he's just a wonderful man.
	He's a pediatric cardiologist.
	He does missionary work.
	He's military.
	Dr. Scott Jensen, he ran for governor of Minnesota.
	He's just a salt-of-the-earth guy, very well-spoken, very trustworthy.
	And then Peter McCullough, who has been outspoken from the start, high integrity, also very media savvy.
	Yeah, you know, I almost think that we need somebody who doesn't want to be a celebrity because it seems like the Trump administration...
	Right now is being filled with so many people that it's like jockey for press and a lot of people wonder if the people in the Trump administration, a lot of these appointees are more focused on their positions helping Trump or becoming the next Fox News guest host, right, for a primetime slot.
	So I would almost prefer that we have a Surgeon General who isn't focused on, you know, being a celebrity or a media star because it just seems like, you know, this lady, Casey, promotes herself as a social media influencer.
	With an MD at her name, even though she doesn't have an active medical license.
	So I just kind of wonder if a lot of these people want the position so that they can actually provide a service to the president and fulfill his agenda, or if they can become social media stars and, like I said, enrich their families, sell their books, sell their products, whatever.
	It doesn't really sit right.
	Well, I think you can have style and substance.
	Right now, we're just going with style.
	But we can have a combination very easily.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	And that's the thing.
	I want there to be style and substance.
	But I think that one of the biggest criticisms of some of the people who are currently in the Trump administration is that there's more focus on style as opposed to substance.
	Exactly.
	That's one of the biggest criticisms of Pan Bondi right now, right?
	Any last thoughts, any last comments, anything that you want the viewers listening to think about or any upcoming subset articles?
	Well, I just think everybody needs to challenge these people that work for us, that we elected, and don't let them get away with being silent.
	Silence is compliance and it's unethical if you are in a position of power and you are aware of the dangers of these shots.
	And you're letting it happen.
	So I would encourage everybody to just keep speaking out.
	Do you have any upcoming Substack pieces coming out or anything that you're specifically working on?
	I'm working on a book, but other than that now.
	Oh, great.
	Well, we'll have to have you back on to talk about that when it comes out.
	Dr. Bowden, I want to thank you so much for spending your Friday evening talking with us and everything that you're doing to speak truth to power.
	I would encourage everybody to follow your X account where you're dropping receipts and bombshells and holding people accountable every single day.
	I find your posts to be very insightful and I just really appreciate you taking so much time on a Friday evening to...
	To inform people, concerned citizens of this country, about what appears to be a serious vetting crisis in the Trump administration.
	So where do people follow you if they want to read your Substack or view your tweets?
	It's mdbreed, is my handle, for both Twitter and Substack.
	Wonderful.
	Well, Dr. Bowden, thank you so much for coming on tonight.
	I really appreciate it.
	Thanks, Laura.
	Thank you.
	See you.
	A lot of receipts there, you guys.
	A lot of receipts.
	I would encourage you to look at her Twitter account, look at her sub stack, and look at some of the podcasts that she's done.
	You know, I think that there's a lot of very damning information, and this is a woman who herself said, why would she be jealous?
	She doesn't want to be Surgeon General.
	It's not like she's in competition with Casey Means.
	And I had her on tonight, and there's a lot of people I've spoken to across varying degrees of the political spectrum.
	Some people, Like Trump.
	Some people don't like Trump.
	Some people are super Trump fans.
	Some people hate Trump.
	And I've talked to all of them, people in the medical profession who I know.
	I'm like, what do you think about this?
	And it's funny because they all came to the same conclusion.
	And they said this woman is not qualified.
	Casey, that is Casey Means, to be the U.S. Surgeon General.
	So it's not too often that you have people on such polarizing sides of the political spectrum coming together to the same conclusion.
	Hopefully this information can make it to Donald Trump.
	I find it to be very alarming that there are people who work for the president to block this information, and then they try to make it seem like I'm a problem.
	I mean, every day, and after I bring on my next guest, I'm going to have an entire segment dedicated to loomer derangement syndrome just so that you can see the way that they viciously attack me for simply trying to do the right thing.
	I'm just trying to...
	Use my platform and my voice to inform the American people and make sure that the best people surround Donald Trump.
	I'm not trying to be vindictive or malicious.
	I want what's best for America.
	I want what's best for the American people.
	And I want to protect Donald Trump so that his administration is not sabotaged by people who don't have his best interest.
	And I really just have a lot of questions about some of the people in the administration.
	And I...
	I think that I deserve answers for these questions.
	And I believe that I speak for a large population of the MAGA movement and people who voted to have President Trump represent them.
	So the attacks are just out of control.
	But I can handle it.
	I'm a big girl.
	I just find it to be really interesting how they're dedicating so much time with the mainstream media to smearing me for simply providing recommendations.
	With receipts, with documentation.
	I'm not on Big Pharma's payroll.
	It's just factual information that I'm presenting.
	People can make up their own minds.
	Clearly it's damning.
	Before I bring on my next guest, and we have an exclusive announcement tonight, exclusive video release, never-before-seen footage before that relates to our previous segments on the show about animal testing and animal rescue, I want to take a moment to thank the second sponsor of tonight's episode of Loomer Unleashed, and that is Grassi.
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	Sometimes drink diet soda, you know, but...
	You see a lot of parents give their kids soda, right?
	And they're always giving their kids soda in their lunchboxes.
	That's not healthy for your kids.
	Children are going to get diabetes.
	And I think that...
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	And you see that there's a lot of controversy surrounding health drinks, right?
	They say that they're health drinks, but there's tons of sugar, even apple juice.
	And a lot of these juice products that are billed as being healthy for your kids are not healthy.
	And this isn't a drink just for children.
	It's a drink for everybody.
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	All righty.
	Moving on now.
	You've seen the developments over the last few weeks, really over the last month, since I first invited Justin Goodman, the Senior Vice President of the White Coat Waste Project, to come on my program, Loomer Unleashed.
	To break stories with me regarding the extension of funding of animal testing under the current Trump administration with our taxpayer money, we had Justin on the program on Tax Day to discuss how $20 billion of your tax money every single year is going towards funding cruel and abusive animal testing experiments and laboratories not just here, but also abroad in places like China.
	We had some developments this week with President Trump signing an executive order in the Oval Office with the NIH director, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. banning gain-of-function, right?
	Banning the funding of gain-of-function abroad.
	And what's interesting is that this announcement to stop funding of gain-of-function, which is what led to the COVID pandemic and the lockdowns and, you know, killed 1.2 million American citizens, right?
	Thanks to China.
	you And it's not just mice that they're carrying out these experiments on, or bats, as we were told in the beginning of COVID.
	They're using dogs, and they're using cats, and they're using monkeys, and all types of animals, really.
	But primarily one of the most popular forms of animal species that is used in a lot of these animal experiments are beagles.
	And you learned on this program when I had Justin Goodman on the show that beagles are chosen as, you know, like this perfect specimen to be tested on in laboratories by these mad scientists because they're docile in nature and scientists have found that beagles are...
	you know like the least resistant and they're not going to be aggressive compared to other breeds and so essentially these mad scientists have ruled out the fact that if you want to abuse an animal the best animal to abuse is a beagle because they're not going to bite back and they're going to um I guess just allow you to do whatever you want to them and We've seen a lot of these really horrific experiments that have been uncovered and exposed by White Coat Waste,
	including the fact that the NIH, which is now led by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, whose headquarters office is out of Bethesda, Maryland, actually had an on-campus beagle lab that was still receiving funding and was set to be importing 24 beagles to their on-campus lab for these abusive experiments.
	Well, thanks to our reporting, well, thanks to the reporting by White Coat Waste and the reporting here on Loomer.
	It actually led to an announcement on Fox News this last Sunday by Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, and we talked about this on Tuesday's episode of Loomer Unleashed, that they were shutting down and closing the Beagle Lab on the NIH campus site.
	Well, there are still a lot of these abusive animal experiments happening in labs all across the country, right?
	And so a lot of people were gaslit into thinking that, wow, you know, the Trump administration is ending all beagle testing.
	False, right?
	We are still actually funding a lot of these abusive animal experiments in laboratories all across the country with our taxpayer money and also in...
	We also reported here on Loomer Unleashed, with the exclusive documentation provided by White Coat Waste, these horrific animal experiments that are being done through the DOD, the Department of Defense, under the current Trump administration, where over $10 million has been spent taxpayer money to literally shove marbles and condoms up the rectums of innocent cats to test for erectile dysfunction and electromagnetic shock experiments.
	Horrific things.
	I mean, we don't need to be shoving marbles up.
	The anus of any animal, let alone a cat.
	And I was alerted to the fact that there was going to be an animal rescue this week from some of these beagles across laboratories in our country that have been abused.
	And now they're going to be able to live a better life after being rescued.
	And a lot of people wondered, where do these beagles go after they get rescued from the laboratories?
	Well, in many cases, some of them have been euthanized.
	Luckily, there's an amazing organization out there called Kindness Ranch, and Kindness Ranch dedicates itself to traveling the country, rescuing these abused lab animals, specifically beagles, and they take them to a ranch that's located in Wyoming, and they find them homes, and they give them a better life so that they don't have to die in a laboratory or be tortured for the rest of their life in a laboratory.
	And what's amazing about this organization, Kindness Ranch, is that...
	They help find homes for these animals, and it doesn't matter how old the beagle is, they will try to find it a home so that it can live a better life.
	We have an exclusive report.
	We can exclusively report that as of this week and over the next few weeks, Kindness Ranch is going to be saving 100 lab beagles, and they are going to be working with White Coat Waste to urge the Trump administration to retire all animals from NIH.
	Funded laboratories.
	We're going to be publishing this report tonight on Lumard.com.
	I wanted to break the news first here live on air, but I'll read a little bit of this report.
	On May 4th, 2025, the Trump administration's National Institutes of Health shut down the last Beagle experimentation lab inside its Maryland headquarters following a nine-year campaign led by the watchdog group White Coat Waste.
	And thank you to Elon Musk for investigating this because right after he replied to my tweet and said that he was going to investigate they announced that they were shutting it down.
	Now we can exclusively report tonight that more beagles have been rescued from cruel government testing.
	White Coat Waste and the Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary have offered to partner with the Trump administration to relocate animals from taxpayer-funded labs, and they have rescued 100 beagles from abusive testing labs.
	So joining me now to discuss this and to also release live on air these never-before-seen videos and photos from this beagle rescue, this heroic beagle rescue this week by John.
	John Raymer of Kindness Ranch is John Raymer himself, the executive director of Kindness Ranch.
	So, John, thank you so much for taking time to join me and thank you for your heroic actions this week.
	I know we've been communicating all week long.
	You were going to come on earlier in the week, but I thought that it would be better to end the week with, you know, the total amount of the dogs that you have rescued this week since...
	Every day this week you've been involved in traveling the country rescuing these animals.
	So thank you for joining me tonight.
	Thank you so much for having me on and letting us share our victories this week and for the upcoming weeks.
	We're really excited to go out and get even more dogs.
	Absolutely.
	We have not published these videos yet, and we have not published the photos, so this is going to be the first time anybody has seen this.
	But what can you tell us about this mission that you have engaged in this week through your organization, Kindness Ranch, to save from this report that we're now releasing?
	It was going to be 70 beagles, but it's my understanding that you rescued even more beagles today, so now the number is 100 beagles that you have saved.
	Yes, by the first week of June we will have placed at least 101 beagles into different organizations that we partner with to find homes.
	Ranging from actually Canada to California to North Carolina, all over the place, because although we have a facility in Wyoming, it's really difficult to house that many beagles in a single facility and successfully place them into homes.
	Kindness Ranch was founded in 2007 by Dr. Grubman after he heard about animal testing and vivisection.
	And worked very quietly for years and years to just retire animals from laboratory testing facilities, predominantly surrounding Wyoming.
	There's a lot of animal testing that goes on in Colorado.
	Which is really ironic given the fact that Colorado is like hippy-dippy-ville, right?
	Colorado is really ground zero.
	And I know you're an animal organization, so we don't need to have a big political conversation here.
	But it is kind of funny given the fact that all of the anti-Trump campaigns out of Colorado to try to strip Donald Trump from being on the ballot this last election season came out of Colorado.
	And so it's ironic given the fact that Trump's really the only president that's taking a stand against animal testing and animal cruelty.
	And Colorado is where all these liberal organizations.
	And these, like, tree hugger organizations are based out of.
	And yet it's one of the states where they're carrying out some of the most abusive and horrific experiments on animals.
	So I just wanted to get that little jab in because just more hypocrisy, in my opinion, from these organizations.
	But continue.
	Well, we have gotten literally thousands of animals out of animal testing in Colorado.
	And the flip side of that, which is the happy ending part, is we've also placed thousands of dogs and cats into private homes in Colorado.
	So it is kind of a full circle thing.
	But given the last couple of years with the Invego breeding facility being shut down and 4,000 beagles needing placed, And now with the recent spotlight on the NIH facility closing, Kindness Ranch kind of felt that it was time that we not just quietly stand in the background anymore.
	And we're proud of the work that we've done with Justin and White Coat Waste over the last couple of years.
	We're proud of the advocacy that we've done in D.C. We threw our support behind Nancy Mace recently for introducing Violet's Law to make mandatory retirement a thing.
	And we hope that our local representative, Lummis, will also support it as well.
	Yeah, let's go ahead and get that article pulled up on the screen, because Nancy Mace, of course, has been very outspoken and representative from South Carolina.
	She's been speaking out against the Monkey Island, where they're torturing a lot of animals, a lot of monkeys, in these abusive experiments.
	But also, she's a big dog lover.
	We've had Nancy Mace on the program before.
	I love her heart that she has for animals, and she's been a big advocate of white coat waste.
	Was very vocal against Fauci for these cruel experiments when white coat waste exposed to the world.
	The fact that Fauci was releasing fruit flies and other types of insects into these cages and laboratories where they were eating beagles alive and they were just watching these beagles suffer and struggle.
	Without any pain management whatsoever.
	And so let's get the article back on the screen because I want to go through it so people are familiar with this law.
	So Rep.
	Nancy Mace introduces a bill to allow laboratory animals to be retired, adopted.
	Nancy Mace has reintroduced, and I believe that's you.
	That's you with Nancy Mace.
	Reintroduced Violet's Law, a bill named after a dog saved from a taxpayer-funded experimentation lab by White Coat Waste Project.
	Wow, they're just like racking up so many W's this week.
	You know, maybe they need to change their abbreviation to WWW because all they do is win.
	And it requires all federal labs to allow animals to be retired and adopted out when testing ends.
	The legislation's reintroduction comes after it was supported by a bipartisan group of dozens of co-sponsors but did not move forward in 2023.
	There are more than 40,000 regulated animals locked in federal labs each year, according to the Medical Watchdog and Animal Rights Group.
	White Coat Lace is the group that blew the lid off the National Institute's health funding of gain-of-function research in Wuhan, China, and exposed longtime NIH physician Anthony Fauci for, let's scroll up, abusing his authority, science, and taxpayers when he was the head of the NIH.
	Uh, Any thoughts?
	I know we saw this week President Trump.
	In addition to Nancy Mace proposing this legislation, we also saw President Trump hold a press conference in the Oval Office to ban gain-of-function funding.
	Any thoughts on that as somebody who travels the country rescuing animals in these laboratories where they're doing a lot of gain-of-function research?
	I have a lot of personal feelings about that.
	I'm proud of President Trump and the steps that he's taking for it.
	On a professional level, kindness ranch, we focus only on what happens when the dogs get out of research and when the animals get out.
	We don't publicly advocate against it, but we can all agree that beagles and cats are bipartisan and that as As humans, we should be treating them better.
	We should be better stewards and we should absolutely not be torturing animals.
	And like I said before, with the recent spotlight on this, now is the time to act as the public is becoming more aware of the millions upon millions of dollars being spent that is by design being spent in very secretive ways behind closed doors with these people.
	Harming these animals.
	There's no need to be euthanizing all of these animals for medical experiments that very, very rarely, if ever, transfer to humans.
	Absolutely.
	Before we go ahead and play these video clips for you and the viewers tonight of these very heroic rescue operations that you carried out this week, if you can tell us in detail kind of what your week was like because you...
	We're very busy this week rescuing all these beagles.
	If you can just kind of paint the picture and paint the scene for the viewers about how this process goes down and how you were able to get inside these laboratories to rescue all these dogs and just kind of start to finish from the moment you wake up to the end of the day, what it's like in the day of rescuing these tortured animals from these laboratories.
	Well, I spend the majority of my day sending out about 200 emails to testing facilities all over the country, trying to introduce myself, what we offer to these testing facilities with a confidential retirement of the animals when they're no longer used, and then wait for responses.
	And I would say 99% of the time my emails are ignored, and then we get the sudden influx like we have in the last week and a half, two weeks.
	Especially again with the public awareness of the NIH facility and what's going on there, a lot of these research facilities now have chosen to get out ahead of the negative press on what they're doing.
	And my email box was just blowing up with people wanting to release animals that are no longer being used.
	One of these facilities we've worked with for quite some time and they're in the process of phasing out almost all of their animal testing and will be closing in the next couple of years.
	That facility was in Colorado and then we got the phone call from a facility in Houston, Texas, which is where I'm at right now.
	And then we'll be going back to Colorado to pick up even more dogs.
	All of the dogs that we've released this last week were used in flea and tick and topical medication research which can sound non-invasive but as we develop longer term treatments for flea and ticks they have to be injected with these new chemicals and then exposed to massive amounts of fleas and ticks and a lot of discomfort can be involved in
	that but some of these dogs have been in long-term studies where they've been what's called recycled which means that they stay in contract facilities for their entire lives and are exposed to multiple different forms of research and two of the dogs that we got this week were both 11 years old and they were born in a That's
	so awful.
	I mean, how do you even rehabilitate a dog like that?
	I mean, the amount of anxiety and stress that a dog who is 11 years old who's never been able to go outside, I mean, how do you even begin to rehabilitate an animal like that?
	That's my amazing crew at Kindness Ranch.
	We have...
	Dedicated caretakers that actually live and care with these dogs 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
	And they expose them to everything from a TV for the first time, the smell of coffee being made in the morning, to the joy of being able to use a dog door and go in and out as they please.
	A bittersweet story with one of the 11-year-old dogs that we just got out.
	This boy went outside for the very first time in his life and found the steps going down into the yard and had never used steps before and actually fell down one step and just laid there traumatized from what had just happened.
	You could tell that he'd never experienced anything like that before.
	And when he stood up and realized that he was okay and was touching grass and dirt for the very first time, got the zoomies and ran around for the next five minutes acting like an eight-week-old puppy for a little bit.
	It's so heartwarming when we see how quickly some of these dogs can bounce back from a life of trauma.
	And we have that never-before-seen clip here that you provided to us, so we're going to go ahead and play that clip now.
	You made it up the steps.
	You made it up the steps right on.
	You're outside.
	What do you think about this?
	What do you think about this?
	You're outside for the first time That's so sweet.
	So you said you're in Texas right now, but the ranch is located in Wyoming, and we're going to show some more clips of some of these dogs that you rescued this week.
	So how do you transport them, and do they stay with you when you're at the hotel, or do they go straight back to Wyoming?
	It must be a really big, heavy-duty operation because I imagine that you're driving these dogs, or maybe you're flying them.
	Perhaps you can...
	Explain how your operation works in case there's people watching who want to donate to support what you do, or perhaps they have vehicles or modes of transportation to assist you in transporting these animals.
	Well, thank you.
	I wish that we were a big operation.
	My wife and I usually do most of the transports ourselves in a Dodge van, and we drive.
	Constantly.
	My wife is an absolute machine.
	She's in the van right now driving back to our little town in Wyoming with her daughter, Jess, with the 26 dogs.
	They're going to drive straight through and arrive tomorrow morning.
	I'm hoping to be able to fly in and meet them there early.
	It's an insane endeavor that the The transport, the care, it's absolutely overwhelming at times.
	And when we look at the calendar moving forward and all of the miles, we're going to log in our van going from Texas to our little town of just 64 people in Hartville, Wyoming, to Los Angeles.
	And then we'll be headed down to the Gulf Coast in a couple of weeks to get even more dogs.
	Well, if we had the funding, we would happily buy another van and hire another transport person so my wife could actually spend some time at home.
	What is that cost?
	I mean, what are we talking about financially?
	Like, how much money would it be to buy one of these vans?
	You know, I'm just trying to understand, like, how this all works, because you're saying she's transporting 26 of these dogs back, and you're saying it's going to be straight through.
	How many times does your wife and its two people in the van have to stop to let these dogs out to go to the bathroom?
	Because I have four dogs, and I know that whenever I drive my dogs, it's like, you know, every two hours I'm stopping because I have little dogs, you know, and they have, like, little tiny bladders.
	So, unless I want pee all over my car.
	So, how...
	That's a lot of dogs, like for two people to be letting out to use the bathroom and whatnot.
	So what is that like if you're driving across the country in one straight shot having to let all these dogs out to go to the bathroom?
	And where do you stop?
	We have found that, strangely enough, Love's Truck Stops have amazing little dog parks for us to stop at, and we'll let each dog out.
	We stop roughly about every four hours.
	We're also a USDA-regulated facility, so we have to have an exercise plan in place for these dogs that we abide by.
	And so we stop about every four hours at Love's Truck Stops and fill up the van, go to the dog park, let the dogs stretch their legs a little bit.
	Some of the dogs...
	Since they've never been outside before and they don't like humans, are a little too severe of a flight risk, so we can't let them out.
	So we let them run around and pee in the back of the van and then go after them.
	The cost of our vans, for our Dodge Promaster 3500 van, we paid about $70,000 for that and then another.
	$10,000 for the air conditioning and customization of it.
	And to transport 26 dogs, house them for a month, do spays, neuters, dentals, and get them ready for adoption.
	On average, for about that number of dogs, we're looking at between $25,000 to $35,000 a month just for that.
	That simple base level of care that you have to look at.
	How many of these dogs are you rescuing every single year just so we can understand what the financial toll on this organization is?
	We're averaging about 550 dogs a year right now.
	Wow.
	What is your overall budget in terms of what it takes to run this operation to save all these dogs, these 550 beagles?
	Help find homes for them.
	Last year, we do a lot with a very small budget.
	One of the benefits of being in Wyoming is the cost of living is fairly low.
	We rehomed around 700 dogs and cats last year with an operating budget of $2.3 million.
	Wow, and it's mostly grassroots donations, or how do you raise your money?
	It's 100% private donations with a small number of Foundations and bequests thrown in.
	Wow.
	Well, I want to help you out, and I want to create a GiveSendGo account, and I'm going to create a GiveSendGo for you, and I'm going to use my platform and my Twitter account to help you guys buy a new van.
	And I want to create a GiveSendGo with a goal of $80,000 so that we can try to help you and your wife get your dream of getting another...
	Another van so that you can help rescue more of these dogs.
	So that's what I want to do for you because, you know, I have a lot of followers and a lot of generous followers and supporters who believe in animal rescue and they've been very touched by the work of White Coat Waste and I'm very touched by, you know, the work that you're doing to rescue these animals and as somebody who has four dogs myself, three of them are rescues.
	Animal rescue is very near and dear to my heart and...
	I'd like to believe that the Trump administration is going to do good by these animals and that President Trump just hasn't been made aware of the extent of all of these laboratories and animal testing, but that deep down he has a very kind heart and believes in ending animal cruelty.
	I'm very focused on trying to deliver this message to the Trump administration so that we can try to get these cruel laboratories and the funding for these experiments shut down because Yeah, I just think it needs to end.
	So that's my commitment to you.
	And I'm going to, you know, do what I can over these next few weeks to try to help you hit your goals so that you guys can get a new van.
	That is absolutely incredible and so unexpected.
	Thank you so much.
	It's when people with a platform like yours become aware of something like this and jump in to help it, it really makes the world a better place.
	And I greatly appreciate that and you for doing this.
	Absolutely.
	It's my pleasure.
	I want to thank you for what you're doing.
	I want to play some more of these clips and show some more of these videos because we have even more photos of these dogs that you rescued this week just so people can see.
	The process so I'm just gonna go ahead and start showing some of these back-to-back Here's some of the photos.
	We'll show the photos first some of the dogs The
	most amazing part of that transformation is they went from being so scared and shut down in the crates when we first loaded them up to less than 24 hours later, smiling and experiencing sunlight outside.
	It's so, so bittersweet to see them become the happy, functioning, balanced dogs that they were intended to be.
	How does the process work?
	I find it to be so incredible.
	How do you get these laboratories to agree to allow you to come and take these dogs when they would otherwise be euthanized?
	It is quite the process, and sometimes it goes from just the caretakers that they hire.
	You know, the scientists aren't the ones that are caring for the dogs while they're confined.
	The research facility that houses them has to hire caretakers to make sure that the dogs are fed and watered and they actually have veterinarians on staff.
	And just through social awareness campaigns and sharing our social media posts, some of these caretakers learn of what we do and then they approach the lab owners or the people funding the research and ask that the animals be released.
	This one facility here in Houston, they had no idea that a facility such as ours even existed until I literally showed up and knocked on their door.
	And when they answered the door and let me in and I told them who I was, they were so caught off guard that they just let this big animal rights advocate into their facility.
	But they listened to me.
	They heard the services that we offer at no cost to them.
	And I was just informed today that they are now a full no-kill animal testing facility and that every animal that can be safely sent to us will be moving forward.
	And three years ago, they didn't know that we even existed.
	And now they're trying to make the turn to be more ethical in the work that's being done.
	Which animal retirement is a great stepping stone, but federally funded animal torture does need to stop.
	Absolutely, it needs to stop.
	And I think that a lot of Americans were horrified when I had Justin Goodman on my show to learn that their taxpayer money was going towards funding these horrific experiments, which is why I decided to have him on my show.
	on tax day, April 15th, because I think it kind of like hits differently when you realize that after you just sent this big check or payment to the IRS, that they're literally using your money for taxpayer funded animal torture.
	So when you go and you try to find these labs, how do you find these labs?
	Are you given tips by whistleblowers who reach out to you, animal rights activists?
	Do you have to, like, call around?
	Because I imagine that a lot of these labs are also private labs, and they probably have, you know, No signage.
	It's probably really hidden, and you have to really, you know, investigate their location.
	So what's the process of you finding these labs, you know, just to get people to agree?
	Because I'm sure that you said a lot of these labs don't even know you exist.
	So what's the process like of finding a lab, identifying a lab, and convincing them to let you inside to take these dogs?
	Well, I'll preface that with saying that the groups that we choose to work with, like White Coat Waste, we're very, very selective because a lot of the animal rights groups are a little bit more extreme and want to shame the individual without the understanding that what these research facilities are doing I'll be,
	I don't consider it truly moral.
	It's not illegal.
	And in most cases, it's actually very highly encouraged by federal agencies such as the NIH, the FDA, and sometimes even the EPA.
	So I take a more subtle approach.
	I'll look on employment websites like Indeed and look for animal caretaker jobs and actually find contact information that way.
	The USDA has a searchable database of the animal research that they've approved and have records of, and you can actually find some NIH facilities through USDA searches on their website.
	Working with organizations like White Coat Waste and the information that they get from their FOIA requests, they can sometimes share contact information that they've been made privy to.
	And I'll just reach out with an email introduction and hopefully somebody will respond.
	Most of the time they don't.
	But once I get in working well with a lab and they see that we're confidential, they see that we protect the publicly sensitive information.
	You know, a lot of the stuff that they're doing is intellectual property.
	It's private by design.
	And of course they want to protect that.
	We offer that protection for them in exchange for the animals coming out alive instead of euthanized.
	So it's a sensitive, behind-the-scenes endeavor that over the years we've...
	Been successful in getting word of mouth through the research facilities that we work with, that we're a trusted organization.
	That's really incredible work.
	And so how many laboratories would you say that you now partner with every single year on a continued basis that are still engaged in animal testing, but have agreed to?
	Not kill or euthanize these dogs and instead turn them over to you.
	If you can release that information, how many labs would you say you partner with?
	Right now we partner with just 11. I'm in communication with a little over 20. And you rescue, you say, 550.
	Your goal is to rescue 550 per year.
	How many?
	Of those dogs would you say end up dying?
	I mean, you rescue 550, but how many dogs within these research facilities of the 550, because there's more than 550, I imagine, have died before you can rescue them, so that people can kind of have an understanding of how many of these dogs are actually being killed in these shelters?
	We get out less than 1% of all dogs being tested on nationwide.
	Wow, that's so sad.
	That is so sad.
	How many beagles would you say per year are bred specifically by these government-funded breeders for the sake of being tested on?
	And I know that we discussed before I had you on the show tonight, and I talked about this with Justin, they specifically want beagles and these research documents and the FOIA requests that Justin has obtained at White Coat Ways show.
	That they actually mention they choose beagles because they're docile and they're not going to be aggressive and bite back or fight and resist the animal abuse like a lot of other breeds would.
	And they're not as strong as some of these other breeds that are very muscular and would put up a fight or, you know, not be very good research specimens.
	I just...
	I think that we need to get the numbers to put this into perspective for the average person listening to this when they think of the $20 billion each year that's going towards these animal torture experiments.
	How many beagles would you say, maybe you have the numbers, maybe you don't, are being bred every single year for the purpose of animal testing?
	It's my understanding that last year at the end of 2024 there was a little over 42,000 beagles bred specifically for animal testing.
	How many of them die each year?
	How many of them are killed of the 42,000?
	How many of those beagles die each year?
	It's near impossible to tell because there's no disclosure policies nationwide.
	When states enact a mandatory retirement plan without a disclosure policy attached to it, there's no tracking of how many dogs actually make it out of research facilities alive.
	So the labs are left to be accountable to themselves without saying what happens to all of these dogs.
	You know, if they euthanize a dog, that has to be logged in their records, of course, but then when the veterinary board looks at that as opposed to the USDA, none of that stuff is shared publicly, which again goes back to the very secretive, almost cloak and dagger nature of animal testing.
	So, you know, in hopes as soon as animal retirement from Research is mandatory or policy nationwide.
	We'll be able to track how many dogs actually make it out alive.
	Because right now there's no way of knowing.
	Totally out of control.
	I understand that you are also going to be having a gala coming up soon too where people can buy tickets and they can attend your gala and they can support the work that you're doing.
	What can you tell us about this gala and this event in case people watching want to attend or they want to donate?
	Because I think that the work that you're doing is very important and more people need to be supporting this type of work.
	Well, thank you.
	October 18th, we're having a gala event in Denver.
	We've rented a wonderful facility.
	We have some phenomenal guest speakers arriving.
	We have Justin Goodman and Anthony Bellotti from White Coat Waste coming that will be talking at the event.
	We have the...
	Director of Frost Fund in California coming out.
	The Executive Director of the Beagle Alliance in Canada coming out.
	Our canine behaviorists will be there also speaking.
	Live music from Sid Drees, who is a finalist on The Voice.
	It's going to be a great, great event.
	Tickets are just $100 to be able to come and meet all of these wonderful people.
	I'd highly recommend showing up.
	It's our first ever real gala event and attempt at speaking publicly, which I'm not all that good at, but I'm going to give it a shot.
	I want to come to that gala.
	I think that'd be a good event to attend and would love to support that.
	So I know we had that up on the screen right there.
	That's on your website.
	So if people want to buy tickets or they just want to make a donation, they go to kindnessranch.org.
	Yes, kindnessranch.org.
	We also have pictures of all of our adoptable animals and an adoption application.
	We have wonderful facilities in Wyoming that you can come, everything from a primitive campground.
	To guest yurts, which aren't the canvas-type yurts.
	They're very beautiful, well-built, stick-built yurts.
	We even have a large manor that can easily sleep 10 people if you want to come out with a group retreat and spend a week and volunteer and just hang out with some of the animals and see what we do.
	Wow, so you can actually go and stay on the property and volunteer and basically go glamping.
	Exactly, yeah.
	And if you wanted to take a beagle back to your yurt or your tent at night, you can.
	Really?
	So you can sleep with the dog and then you can basically teach the dog what it's like to have cuddles and be snuggled at night by an owner.
	Yeah, you can be part of the rehabilitation process.
	Man, that sounds like my dream vacation, although I feel like that'd be really dangerous.
	I'd probably leave with more dogs.
	I want more dogs.
	Well, you know, we were lucky enough that we now have 16 Starlink installations throughout the property, so we have good enough internet you could come out and stream from there if you wanted to.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	So you use Starlink.
	That'd be really nice if Elon Musk were to somehow find out about your need for another van.
	And who knows, you know?
	Who knows?
	Maybe Elon Musk would help buy another van.
	You never know.
	I mean...
	I'm going to tweet this out.
	Sometimes he sees my content.
	I mean, look, he's the richest man in the world, so you never know.
	It would be nice, right?
	It would be nice.
	There's a lot of really rich people.
	I wouldn't turn it down, for sure.
	Who knows?
	But you are a facility that is utilizing Elon Starlink.
	So Starlink is being used to help save these beagles.
	That's very nice to know.
	We're almost off the grid out where we're at.
	We don't have landline phones.
	We have no cell phone signals.
	So we had to use something.
	And when Starlink became available, I was an early adopter for sure.
	And now it's all over our 1,200-acre property out there.
	And so you're the owner of this 1,200-acre property or your organization is the owner and you live on the ranch and then you just take care of these animals and live with them 24-7?
	I'm not the owner.
	The organization is.
	And yeah, we have a staff of about 20 people that live on the property full-time caring for all of our animals.
	We have everything from the dogs and cats to cows, pigs, horses, goats, sheeps, llamas.
	It's a real ranch, but the only difference is that all of our animals are from research facilities.
	Wow, that's incredible.
	That's amazing.
	I mean, you don't have to say if you don't want to, but...
	Like, who owns the land?
	That's pretty, like, nice that they allow for, you know, this massive sanctuary so that people can just, you know, hang out with animals and rescue them.
	I mean, that's a lot of property.
	That's really nice.
	You don't have to say if you don't want to.
	I just think that it's pretty heroic.
	It's pretty heroic, in my opinion.
	When Dr. Grubman had the vision for the sanctuary, it was purpose-bought and built by his own money to found the sanctuary in 2007.
	Wow.
	And he's been nice enough to come.
	He comes and visits, and he's still involved, but it's pretty much self-sustaining at this point and just getting bigger.
	And hopefully in the next 10 to 12 years, there won't be animal testing anymore, and we can all just vacation out there.
	Yeah, I mean, hopefully animal testing ends, but that's...
	That's really amazing.
	I didn't know that you could actually camp out with the dogs there and volunteer for a week.
	I want to go to Wyoming and check it out.
	I'm going to have to come down to the ranch.
	So if people want to adopt one of these beagles, because I see people in the comments right now, let's go to the chat because I know that we have a few people that are asking questions.
	People are interested in this.
	Let's see.
	Let's see.
	Anybody want a dog?
	Now's your time.
	If you want to rescue a dog, put it in the chat.
	I know that there's a few people who have told me in the chat before that they want to get a dog.
	I'm always talking about my rescue, so everybody's laughing at me in the chat right now.
	They're like, oh no, Laura's going to get a fifth dog.
	I'm always talking about how I have so many dogs.
	If people watching, listening, or when we clip this episode and we put it out, Want to adopt one of these dogs?
	What's the process if they want to adopt from Kindness Ranch?
	Do they need to physically go to Wyoming to get these dogs, or do you arrange for transport?
	How does it work?
	We highly encourage people to come out and spend a night or two.
	These dogs are so special, and their pasts will be carried with them.
	So it usually works out best when people come out, spend a night or two and take a dog back to their yurt with them when they're on the property and spend the night with a dog that they're interested in to make sure that it's a good fit.
	And like you, if you have a lot of dogs, you can bring your dogs with you and introduce a new dog to the pack while you're there and make sure that it's a good fit instead of going through the adoption process and transporting a dog, say, to Seattle and it not working out and then having to bring the dog back.
	For well-vetted adopters, we...
	Have the adoption application.
	We'll do a video site visit and make sure that you have a secure fenced-in yard for the dog and that you have, you know, preferably a dog door.
	You just meet some basic qualifications and we can assist in helping arrange transport, but transport is usually arranged by the adopters.
	Work on a very tight budget, so we don't have all of that at our disposal.
	A second van would definitely help with that.
	Well, we're going to be creating a give-and-go, and hopefully we can help you raise the $80,000.
	Are you sure that's the number?
	Because I don't want you to lowball me.
	We want to try to get the real number here.
	What does it really cost?
	That seems kind of low, $80,000.
	What's the real number?
	The real number is closer to about $140,000.
	After we have to have AC put in, we have to have floor drains put in, we have to have all of the tie-downs and a special floor.
	It can add up pretty quick, but we're about 140,000 into the van that we have now.
	Wow, 140,000.
	That's amazing.
	And where do you get these vans?
	Where do you get these vans from?
	We buy them from a Dodge dealership in Denver.
	That's just what we've worked with.
	We're open to other brands.
	I knew you were being too modest and cheap about it.
	I was like, there's no way.
	There's no way that a van like that is only $80,000.
	Now I got the real number out of you, $140,000.
	Well, we buy base models and slowly add to them as we can.
	So that's what I'm used to.
	Obviously, if you're going to be transporting that many dogs, that's not going to be the cost of a regular band.
	So that sounds more reasonable, honestly, than $80,000, $140,000.
	So I just wanted to know because we have a lot of really generous supporters here.
	When the Furry Friends Animal Rescue in Florida was destroyed, we were able to raise $50,000 for them.
	That's where I adopted one of my dogs, rescued one of my dogs who's blind, when the tornado destroyed the animal shelter, and my supporters are just so incredible, and they sprung into action, and within a week, we were able to raise $50,000.
	So I think that we'll be able to, hopefully, you know, I'm hoping, hoping we'll be able to raise the full $140,000, because that would be pretty amazing to be able to...
	Help you guys get another van so that you can rescue more of these dogs that are being tortured.
	You know, that's the least we could do.
	I mean, given the fact that our taxpayer money against our own will is being used to finance all this animal torture.
	You know, it's unfortunate that you unknowingly pay for it with your taxes and then a nonprofit has to be formed and solicit more money from taxpayers to clean up the mess that they've unknowingly paid for to start with.
	It's a vicious circle.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Any last comments?
	Any last thoughts?
	I am hopeful that in the next few weeks, hopefully, we'll see statements from maybe the Defense Secretary, Pete Hegseth.
	I don't know, maybe more statements from NIH about these continued animal abuse experiments on taxpayer dime.
	Look, it's great that they're shutting down the on-campus lab.
	Or the beagles at NIH, but I was told that they also have a primate lab on campus.
	So what about all these other animal testing labs at NIH headquarters or these other animal experimentation laboratories that are being funded by our taxpayer money?
	Hopefully we see some more action on this because, look, regardless of whether you're a Trump supporter, we talk about political affiliation so much here, but...
	There's so many people on both sides of the aisle that are just totally neutralized when it comes to animals.
	I find that animals are the great uniter.
	And I think we can all agree, regardless of political affiliation, regardless of our religion, I mean, maybe.
	There's some religions that aren't so nice to dogs.
	We don't have to talk about that, though.
	But, you know, you'd like to think that regardless of people's background and their race and their creed and their religion and their political affiliation, that...
	We can all at least agree that torturing animals is wrong and it's unethical and it's immoral and it should definitely not be funded by our taxpayer dollars.
	So I'm certainly going to be using my platform to highlight these issues more because I think that animal testing in this day and age with AI and all this advancement in technology, I'm not justifying it at any stage, but I guess it was somewhat understandable.
	Decades and decades and decades ago, I'm not justifying it, but all these excuses that they make, like, oh, we needed it for medical advancements, right?
	Maybe you could give these people the benefit of the doubt, but now that the science has proven that there's really no scientific evidence that suggests that doing these tests on mice or dogs or cats translates into the same science for human beings.
	There's no excuse for it.
	There's no excuse for it, especially when these AI models, with the advancement of technology, can produce better results or better predictions for how a human being is going to react to something as opposed to torturing an animal in a laboratory.
	So I think that now that our science and technology has definitely evolved and it's more advanced than the most advanced it's ever been, there really should be absolutely zero tolerance, in my opinion, for any animal testing at all.
	When you break it down to the, well, as Justin says at White Coat Waste, stop the money, stop the madness.
	The financial incentivization of breeding dogs and selling them to research is so institutionalized and it's such a comfort zone on so many levels for these facilities.
	The FDA very plainly says that They are more comfortable reading the results that they're provided from animal testing than they are from AI.
	So we have to move the money from these facilities paying an average of $3,000 per dog to test on them to put that money into AI.
	If you're working with an AI model and you make a mistake, no living creature has to die.
	If you're testing on a dog and you make a mistake, that dog is dead and you have to go buy another one and put that one at risk as well.
	So it's just this horrible, horrible, vicious cycle that with just shifting the money and making AI more financially...
	And more broadly accepted, we can put an end to this in the next few years.
	We have the technology that we could put an end to most of it now, but there's no financial gain for these companies.
	When you think of the 42,000 dogs last year that were bred for research at an average cost of $3,000 per dog, why would you shut down?
	It doesn't cost that much to breed dogs.
	That's huge.
	Potential for a profit margin right there.
	And getting all of that money out of it and making the shift to AI is just a no-brainer.
	We can do better as human beings and be better stewards of our environment just by ending this needless torture on animals.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, it's a no-brainer.
	Any last comments?
	Any last thoughts?
	I think we played all these videos, and we are going to be posting these videos on Loomer Unleashed.
	We have a couple more videos, actually.
	Let's go ahead and play the rest of these videos, and then, you know, look if you can see your final thoughts.
	But we have more of these exclusive videos that you took this week while you were rescuing these animals, so let's go ahead and play the rest of them.
	This old-timer's 11 years old, spent his entire life in a research facility.
	Today is this little girl's first day of freedom outside of research.
	She was born in a lab, lived in a lab, and today it's raining and she gets to experience rain and grass for the very first time.
	She was born in a lab.
	You're home.
	Go to babies.
	Thank you.
	I guess that's one way to say welcome home, huh?
	I don't understand.
	They're born in a lab and they live in a lab and they never touch grass.
	How do they allow these dogs to use the bathroom?
	Are they just letting these animals live in their own filth and piss and shit?
	How does that work?
	Because don't they take these dogs outside to use the bathroom?
	It's crazy to me that they don't have a facility where these dogs can use the bathroom.
	A lot of the facilities that we work with, the dogs live in basically the equivalent of a human prison cell just with a drain in the floor and pine shavings and the caretakers just go in and clean it up.
	A lot of the dogs...
	Dogs are inherently a clean creature and a lot of the dogs develop a habit of actually eating their own feces to keep their living area clean.
	And that's one of the things that we have to overcome and work with regularly with a lot of the dogs that we get out.
	It's a really unfortunate side effect of confinement for these guys.
	Do they eat their feces?
	Yeah.
	Not the happy note that I'm sure you wanted to end on, but it's an unfortunate reality for a lot of these dogs.
	They just want their living area to be clean.
	So is it hard to pot?
	I mean, I'm dealing with potty training right now.
	Is it hard?
	Like a lot of these dogs are seniors.
	You said, how do you potty train a dog like that?
	Or how do you condition a dog that has been trained to live in a confined space like that?
	How do you train them?
	To be normalized into, you know, using the bathroom outside or going for walks and not eating their own feces.
	Every dog house environment that we have at the sanctuary, each dog has its own dog door.
	And we've found that over time and with just mild encouragement, the dogs prefer going outside instead of peeing and pooping in their living area.
	So once they learn that they have that availability to go in and out as they please and as they need to, they ultimately end up potty training themselves.
	And then there is an adjustment period when they go to a new adopted home because it's so overwhelming for them.
	You know, going from such a desensitized state to being flooded with all of the outside stimuli from...
	Traffic and sirens and phones ringing and all of the noises that you and I would take for granted.
	It's just absolutely overstimulating and overwhelming for them.
	So there's always going to be this adjustment period when a research animal goes into a home for a first time.
	So they're not going to be completely potty trained by the time they go into a home, but they have a good head start and they know that the possibility is there.
	They will look for a place outside of the home to go eventually.
	Wow, that's so incredible.
	It's amazing work that you're doing, just completely transforming the lives of these innocent animals.
	So it shows you how abused they are.
	People just think of, oh, you know, they're tested on, but they don't think of the living conditions and how barbaric it is that they don't even get to go outside to use the bathroom.
	So they're just trapped in a prison cell.
	Literally held hostage.
	I didn't even realize that until I learned that from you and Justin.
	I thought that they at least took the research animals outside to use the bathroom, and so when I found out that they don't even let them go outside to use the bathroom, it's like a whole other level of torture and abuse when you think of sensory deprivation.
	They justify it because going outside and touching grass and being in dirt introduces variables to research.
	They have to come from a very controlled environment, and that sterleness is what they command for research animals and how they justify it.
	All of these places are also...
	Regulated through the AFIS Animal Welfare Act and the USDA.
	And they're supposed to have exercise plans in place.
	And some of those exercise plans I've seen were concrete basement floors with a little wire pen set up.
	And the caretaker would just throw a ball into this wire pen, kind of like a crib for a baby.
	Let the dog basically lay down on the floor for 15 minutes and put it back in a crate and grab the next dog.
	And that's the extent of the enrichment that some of these dogs have gotten over the years.
	It's really, really sad because we know that these dogs can be and should be so much more than just this manipulated test subject.
	Do you see that a lot of these dogs have an extreme turnaround?
	Like, when you rescue them, do you see that eventually they become very normalized, or do they live with that trauma forever?
	Because, you know, I've rescued dogs, and I, you know, it takes a long time.
	Like, it takes six months to a year, in my opinion, for a dog to really kind of develop.
	And, you know, the dog that I rescued that was blind only is now starting to, you know, like, not flinch when you...
	When you go to pick him up or when he hears a loud noise, right?
	Yeah.
	The dog didn't want to sleep next to anybody at first and was kind of uncomfortable being cuddled by a human.
	And now it's taken about six months and now the dog, of course, wakes up and wants to cuddle and comes over.
	But even with dogs that...
	Have not been kept in crates and in laboratories for their entire life.
	I find it hard when you rescue a dog for the dog to socialize until about a year passes after you adopt them and rescue them.
	Do you have some happy stories you could share with us of some of these dogs that have been rescued that have turned their life around or have completely different lives now?
	There's one dog that jumps to mind immediately when you say that.
	A lot of the dogs will carry trauma with them throughout their lives and certain things will trigger them.
	My dog, Uno, who I've taken to Capitol Hill several times now to meet with people and show the success stories, he still has severe barrier reactivity and he's scared to death to go through new doors for the first time.
	But the dog that jumps to mind...
	Off your question is a dog named Flash that was given to us from a research facility because he was mentally suffering being confined.
	And all he would do is run circles in his kennel all day long.
	Caretakers or researchers would pick up the dog to test.
	He would get really, really squirmy is the word I was told.
	And he would start to bite some of the people doing research on him.
	And usually when a dog bites somebody in a research facility, they're just immediately euthanized because they're considered to pose a risk to the people there.
	And this facility did the right thing and they reached out to us.
	And we started to work with Flash for, oh geez, months on end.
	And we found this amazing adopter that really wanted to work with Flash to overcome all of his trauma.
	K-9 behaviorist that partners with us, Chelsea Marino at Command K-9.
	And Flash is now just the happiest, loving...
	Oh, he's just an amazing couch potato.
	And I see pictures of him and he's just relaxed.
	He's enjoying his new life with his family.
	He goes out and actually lays in the grass instead of his past life of just running circles on a concrete floor.
	He's an actual...
	Family member now and when I see these successes, it just inspires me to raise our numbers from 500 dogs a year to a thousand.
	I just want to keep doing this over and over and over because these dogs deserve better and the families that bring them in, their lives are forever changed for the better as well by opening up their doors to one of these dogs.
	It's incredible.
	It makes you want to tear up.
	It almost makes me tear up right now just talking about it.
	So sad, but it's such important work and I hope that people watching and listening will support your organization and that they will also consider adopting.
	Any last thoughts?
	Any last comments before I let you go tonight?
	With the spotlights that there are on all of the New legislation being introduced, the NIH facility being closed down, DOD, any federally funded research.
	Kindness Ranch has the partners, the resources, and the ability to take all of these animals, or at least at a bare minimum, assist in the placement of them.
	And we don't ask for much to get this done, but we want to be involved.
	We want to help, and we can.
	We've proven that we can.
	And thank you, Laura, so much for your kindness and using your platform to raise awareness to this.
	Getting these places shut down is only the tip of the iceberg, and getting all of these animals safe and outside of research facilities is the next logical step.
	Absolutely.
	And we'll do whatever we can here at Loomer Unleashed to keep raising awareness about this issue.
	I encourage everybody to go to your website, kindnessranch.org, to make a donation or to fill out paperwork to adopt one of these rescued lab beagles.
	John, where do people go to follow you on social media?
	Or if they want to contact you and they want to get involved and support your work, how can they actually contact you and follow you?
	Most of our social media is Facebook and Instagram.
	That's where all of our adopters have groups that get together and talk about the stuff that they've overcome.
	You can send an email to info at kindnessranch.org to reach out with more generalized questions, and you can find and follow me just at John V. Raymer on all socials.
	Wonderful.
	Well, thank you so much for coming on tonight.
	I really appreciate it.
	We're going to be publishing these videos that you sent us on social media along with the Give, Send, Go link that I'm going to create.
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	Thank you so much, Laura.
	It's been a privilege to speak with you.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
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	Before we close out tonight, God, it's been so crazy.
	There's so much Loomer Derangement Syndrome.
	We're going to have a Loomer Derangement Syndrome segment on this show going forward because these people in the media, they're just so crazy.
	Like, they're non-stop attacks.
	So, I guess every single week I'm just going to pick the most deranged clips and I'm just going to show them.
	To all of you so you can see how crazy some of these people are.
	We had Jimmy Kimmel last night.
	Jimmy Kimmel decided to attack me for pointing out the obvious fact that the new Pope, the American Pope, the first American Pope is anti-Trump, pro-open borders, pro-legal alien, right?
	Dug up his old social media.
	There's an article up on Loomer.com right now that you can read if you're interested documenting all of the anti-Trump comments and statements made by this new Pope.
	If you want to check it out, visit loomrood.com.
	It's on the front page of the website right now.
	And you can see all those receipts and screenshots yourself.
	Oh, there it is.
	It's the first article on the site.
	Click on that.
	Scroll down.
	Hope Robert Prevost's long history of attacking President Trump and embracing open borders policy.
	So we have all the screenshots of the tweets.
	Scroll down.
	You can see all the screenshots calling J.D. Vance a liar, saying all types of things about President Trump.
	You can see all the screenshots there.
	So, I just pointed this out.
	I just pointed out the fact that he appears to have some pro-open borders Marxist takes and that he's a Trump-hater, and Jimmy Kimmel decided to pounce on that.
	Let's go ahead and play the clip.
	Bloomer derangement syndrome, this is what we call this.
	Looney Laura Loomer says Catholics don't have anything good to look forward to.
	Just another Marxist puppet in the Vatican.
	This guy says the newly selected Pope trash Trump, trash vans, trash border enforcement, endorsed dreamer-style illegal immigration, repeatedly praised and honored George Floyd, and endorsed a Democrat senator's call for more gun control.
	To which Cat Turn 2 said, this is so bad.
	And another guy, I was considering becoming a Catholic, not anymore.
	What a loss for the faith.
	Trump just hit the Vatican with an 80% tariff on pointy hats.
	But this is the new pope.
	This is Cardinal Robert Provost.
	He is a native of Chicago.
	He went to Villanova University where he majored in poping.
	You know, they make him pick a name.
	He chose the name Leo XIV, which is a shame because there have been 13 other Leos.
	We've never had even one Pope Bob, which would have been pretty great.
	How have there been so many popes named Leo?
	Leo doesn't even sound like a pope name.
	Sounds more like the altar boy who got high and ate all the communion wafers.
	Leo.
	So congratulations to him.
	This is an historic era we are living.
	We have an American pope and a Russian president.
	Isn't it incredible?
	President Trump finally announced that...
	He finally announced...
	There's Trump Derangement Syndrome and then there's Loomer Derangement Syndrome.
	We also have a clip from CNN's Brian Stelter.
	You know Brian Stelter, one of the biggest purveyors of fake news.
	Biggest Trump haters.
	And now he seems to have found another fixation.
	Loomer Derangement Syndrome.
	I believe we have several CNN clips.
	Let's go ahead and get the Brian Stelter clip up.
	Go ahead and play the clip.
	We are following the breaking news.
	Sources say National Security Advisor Mike Waltz will leave the Trump administration here in the coming days.
	Remember, it was just over a month ago that editor-in-chief of The Atlantic Jeffrey Goldberg published this piece detailing what happened after Waltz accidentally added him to a Signal group chat discussing plans for airstrikes on Yemen.
	CNN chief media analyst Brian Stelter is here with more on the media's impact on this firestorm.
	Brian, full disclosure, you know Jeffrey Goldberg.
	Did he ever tell you exactly how he wound up in the group chat?
	What his theory is about why Walt's had him in his phone contacts?
	He was coy about that and didn't want to talk about his relationship with Waltz in the past.
	I've checked in the Goldberg again today.
	He's not commenting on this news about Waltz's expected departure.
	But The Atlantic is out with a notably sympathetic column about Waltz today, basically saying, look, Trump has an allergy to expertise.
	He doesn't want to know about national security.
	And so it makes sense that the national security aid is now in the discard pile.
	That's the take on The Atlantic website this afternoon.
	It's also really telling who is celebrating this news today, including Laura Loomer.
	Who is Loomer?
	She is a far-right Internet activist, online personality with a sordid history of conspiracy theories, and she loves to pick fights online.
	Loomer is considered so toxic by some Trump aides that they've tried to keep her out of meetings with President Trump in the past.
	But you might remember about a month ago, Loomer was able to get into the Oval Office and have face And today she is celebrating this, you know, report.
	She's basically saying she's winning scalps and she's telling her colleague Steve Contorno that there's a vetting crisis, a broader vetting crisis inside the White House.
	She says that in that Oval Office meeting a month ago, she was going to raise concerns about Mike Waltz directly to Trump, but then Waltz entered the room.
	And so she is essentially saying that Waltz is one of the many figures who needs to be out of this White House because they're insufficiently loyal to President Trump.
	She refers to it as a vetting crisis.
	She's on X today celebrating.
	But the people that she would consider qualified for jobs in the White House, the people who she would consider appropriate to work with Trump, I think that's a very different list than what kind of a normal mainstream America would consider the appropriate people to be in the White House working with President Trump.
	And it was the defense secretary who put information on that signal group chat that by various agency standards you would expect to be classified.
	But it was really Waltz's position that was undercut at the White House.
	Talk a little bit about that, Brian.
	And Hegseth, of course, has been perhaps the most sycophantic in his praise of President Trump in recent weeks.
	You know, if you go back and look at that cabinet meeting earlier this week, it was a very competitive situation with these cabinet secretaries and others going over the top in their support of Trump.
	But Hegseth has been right at the top of that list, working harder than ever in order to earn Trump's, I don't know if respect is the right word, but keep his job as defense.
	Ultimately, though, SignalGate, as we started to call it about a month ago, it's not going away, right?
	Just this week, there was an attempt in Congress to hold folks accountable and to follow up on SignalGate.
	This is not going to go away, even though Mike Waltz is reportedly going to be going away from his role as National Security Advisor.
	This is something that continues to haunt this White House.
	Trump, just a couple days ago at ABC, said the lesson of it is that people shouldn't use Signal.
	And that, well, that might be one takeaway.
	Signal use is widespread.
	And there are many other lessons that could be taken away from it.
	We don't know what Hegseth has learned because, you know, he's been in denial about the entire ordeal.
	It was really interesting, Brian, because just yesterday, Waltz was in a cabinet meeting praising the president this morning.
	He had an appearance on Fox News touting this new minerals deal with Ukraine.
	His response to this controversy seemingly may not have helped his case, right?
	Thank you.
	Yeah, it's so crazy the way they react.
	It really is another form of a derangement syndrome, in my opinion.
	But at least they're highlighting the vetting crisis.
	I mean, that's the subject of tonight's show.
	White House vetting crisis worsens.
	I'm not being malicious.
	I'm just telling the truth.
	And he says, Laura Loomer is so toxic that even some Trump aides have tried to keep her out.
	Oh, come on.
	We all know that it's not about being toxic.
	It's about being jealous.
	People are just jealous that they don't have the brain power.
	Some of them.
	Some of the people who work for the president are not very bright.
	Some of them are.
	Some of them aren't.
	Just a fact.
	So, yeah.
	I guess some people are going to be professionally jealous.
	I mean, that's what's happening here is people are very professionally jealous that they don't have the intellectual capacity to come up with the information that I come up with.
	And they lash out.
	And the way they lash out is by gatekeeping.
	So, look.
	Gatekeep at your own expense.
	Let's play this other clip here from Dana Bash, another Trump hater, formerly married to Jeremy Bash, who is one of the 51 spies who lied.
	So all these people are just total Trump haters.
	And I say gatekeep at your own expense because Who are you really benefiting by gatekeeping when they say, oh, Laura Loomer is so toxic, you know, oh, you know, Laura Loomer is so toxic, even Trump needs to keep her out.
	Gatekeep at your own expense.
	You are going to harm our national security.
	You are going to harm President Trump.
	You are going to harm our country if you continue to gatekeep.
	Information.
	And you prevent Trump loyalists from trying to give the president of the United States information that is going to help him make better decisions, help him protect himself.
	So, yeah, gatekeep at your own expense because if the Democrats take over again and they're able to impeach Donald Trump or, you know, a bad apple slips through the non-existent vetting process, well, yeah.
	It's going to have a blowback on everybody in the Trump administration because as we've seen, they're not just going to come after Donald Trump.
	They're going to attack everybody who works for him too.
	They like weaponizing government.
	So remember that.
	Next time you want to gatekeep, gatekeep at your own expense.
	This has nothing to do with anybody being toxic.
	It's all about professional jealousy.
	That's fine.
	I don't care if people want to hate me.
	That's all right.
	It's not about me.
	This is about the country.
	This is about the mission, helping Donald Trump.
	We can all put our egos aside and And we don't have to be friends.
	I'm not asking you to hold my hand and sing kumbaya or come have a sleepover with me.
	I'm not even asking you to go have lunch with me.
	But we need to, people need to work together to support the president and make sure that he has the best information possible.
	I don't care if people like me.
	I really don't care.
	Go ahead and play this clip from Dana Bash.
	Welcome to Inside Politics.
	I'm Dana Bash in Washington, and we are following breaking news.
	National Security Advisor Mike Waltz is expected to leave his post in the Trump administration as National Security Advisor.
	It is the first top staff shakeup of President Trump's second term.
	Of course, Waltz has been in a precarious position with the president after...
	He accidentally added a reporter to a group chat about upcoming military strikes.
	We're going to get right to this.
	Here with me now is CNN's Caitlin Collins, alongside CNN's Jeff Zeleny, Dasha Burns of Politico, and Mario Parker of Bloomberg.
	Caitlin, what are you hearing from your sources?
	I mean, this is...
	...since SignalGate happened...
	Strong standing inside the White House.
	I mean, I remember this morning, someone predicted to me back during the transition, before Trump even took office, that Mike Waltz would likely be the first one to go.
	And now he is marking the first major staff departure of President Trump's second term.
	And really, his job has kind of been in limbo all week.
	We had heard earlier this week that something was going on with him.
	Officials insisted to us yesterday that his job was safe.
	But there was a moment that CNN saw on Tuesday when the president was going to Michigan on his 100 days in office.
	And Mike Waltz, we noticed, traveled on Marine One with him.
	But ten minutes later, you see at Joint Base Andrews, that's his figure.
	He does not get on Air Force One.
	It's only about a ten minute flight, so it's extremely odd to take the helicopter flight and then not actually go on the trip.
	I was told he was not supposed to go on the trip.
	And so people raised questions about what this moment meant.
	So we've been asking White House officials about it.
	And essentially it just got to a point where he didn't have a lot of confidence, not of the president, not of his senior staff.
	And he was told, I was told earlier this week, that his time as the National Security Advisor had come to an end and it was time for him to leave.
	And now we are told that he will be departing and so will his top deputy.
	So the world got to know him through his very, very unfortunate error of adding Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic to Signal Gate.
	But just by way of background, this is an important sort of detail, which is that, first of all, Mike Waltz is a very serious person.
	He is a former Green Beret.
	He's a four-time Bronze Star winner.
	That all happened, that service, military services, obviously well before he ran for Congress.
	As part of his sort of
	And so my understanding, and I'm curious what you all are hearing, is that never mind SignalGate, it was that very fundamental mistrust of him and skepticism of him and his perspective about the world that was also problematic.
	It absolutely was.
	And I think Signal Gate was the reason for his departure, but not really what led up to it.
	And one of those pictures we just showed so interesting of Susie Wiles, the White House Chief of Staff, despite their Florida roots, many, many Floridians inside the West Wing, including those two, I'm told that she has...
	Not been at odds with him necessarily, but not impressed by his work.
	He is a hawk.
	There's no doubt about it.
	I mean, there's been a lot of flexibility among some advisers.
	Marco Rubio also comes to mind.
	I mean, long before he joined this administration, he too would have been in the hawkish side of the Republican Party.
	But this is the Trump era.
	So Walls definitely did not necessarily fit this, but he was qualified in, you know...
	Many other ways.
	And a lot of Republicans who I talked to at the transition were actually happy he was in the West Wing because they thought that he would sort of bring stability and things.
	But back to that point that Caitlin showed.
	That video is so fascinating.
	What it doesn't show...
	The defense secretary, Pete Hegseth, is on the plane.
	And he flew to Michigan with the president.
	And I'm told the president throughout the day embraced the defense secretary.
	Yesterday at the cabinet meeting, it was so clear.
	So when you sort of step back to this, why Wall is not Hegseth?
	Because, as Caitlin said, he invited...
	Jeffrey Goldberg into the chat, and that was sort of seen as the original sin.
	And can I just say that that was captured by our photographers who were excellent, Jay McMichael and Christine Lean, who were there and spotted this and noticed that he didn't get on.
	Obviously, they are just as good as reporters as we are.
	Mike Waltz has been fighting for his job this week, though, ever since then.
	He was in the Cabinet meeting yesterday.
	He did Fox& Friends this morning.
	I mean, he has certainly been doing the things that you would do to try to stay inside the administration.
	By the way, why Waltz and not Hegseth?
	Also, to the point that you were making, Dana, he was not seen as one of us in terms of the MAGA movement.
	So often on these issues, especially of foreign policy, it was Waltz and Ruby on one side and Vance, Wyckoff and the others on the other.
	We've been reporting for over a month now, ever since Signalgate, that Waltz was on the chopping block, that it was a ticking time bomb.
	The reason that he wasn't fired immediately after Signalgate was simply because Trump and the White House did not want to give the media a scalp.
	But this has been a long time coming.
	And again, Signalgate was More a byproduct rather than a reason for his ouster.
	Do you remember the Laura Loomer list?
	Yes.
	Sure.
	She came in.
	You reported on this.
	And she had a long list of people, not sure where she got it, but a long list of people on the national security front who were not considered loyalists, but it was obviously much more than that.
	Mike Waltz was on that list.
	Right, absolutely.
	And to the point of the other panelists, the fact that he was known as a more traditional Republican, hawkish in nature, which is in direct contrast to the Make America Great Again foreign doctrine.
	But I want to take another step back as well, back to that cabinet meeting yesterday.
	One of the things that was striking was how many of the cabinet officials suddenly gave an endorsement to Hegseth, right?
	Namely Lee Zeldin yesterday as well, who kind of gave an impassioned defense.
	We're talking about the greatest defense and national security head of his recent memory.
	What that signaled, I think, was that the rest of the West Wing were favoring Hegseth over Walts.
	If the president had to make this decision sometime this week, they were casting their votes on which one would be to go.
	Can we also talk, I mean, Dana, obviously longtime Capitol Hill reporter, how Speaker Mike Johnson is viewing this?
	Trump took several House members to put them in his cabinet.
	National Security Advisor is a cabinet-level position.
	None of them are now in it.
	Because Matt Gaetz obviously did not go on to be Attorney General.
	Elise Stefanik had her nomination then pulled.
	And then Mike Waltz, of course, now is the first major departure.
	Scaramucci is kind of mocking, you know, just how short his tenure was, saying, I think, that he had nine Scaramuccis.
	But it speaks to the level of this is something the White House wanted to do for a while, but they all wanted to wait until that 100-day period had hit.
	They didn't want anything to happen too soon.
	I'm so glad you brought up...
	Sorry, speaking of Laura Loomer, just before we came on, I literally got a text from Laura Loomer saying, Loomered.
	A verb.
	A verb.
	Now a verb.
	But she's verbing herself?
	She's verbing herself, yes.
	Let's go back to the political implications of this.
	Because, I mean, there's so many, but just on Capitol Hill.
	Because, remember, it was Mike Waltz who had won his seat by, like, a million points.
	I mean...
	Give or take a few.
	In deep red Florida.
	He was very safe.
	And then the special election was a lot closer than anybody had hoped.
	Now, to be fair to Mike Waltz, it was, well, I think maybe he could argue it's a good thing because he shows how popular he is.
	But also, Randy Fine, who then actually did win, a lot of Republicans were very, especially at the White House, were very frustrated about the way that he...
	Yes, they're very triggered by the fact that...
	That's a term.
	You know, these clips are from a week ago, and I'm just now seeing these as of this week because there's so many clips because these people are so obsessed with attacking.
	They have such lumen derangement syndrome that every day people are like, did you see this clip?
	And I'm like, wow, you know, I haven't even seen all of the nasty clips.
	I was busy this morning.
	You know, doing an investigation into another White House vetting crisis matter.
	And then I get a phone call.
	They're like, did you see what Brian Kilmeade just said about you on Fox News?
	And I had to go look and see what he said, too.
	Attacking me, saying that President Trump shouldn't take my advice and that I shouldn't have any credibility as it relates to who is hired.
	It's like, says the guy that worked with Fox News, Rupert Murdoch's entity, to help.
	Ron DeSantis run a shadow presidential campaign.
	We got this article.
	Let's pull it up on the screen here.
	Show the article headline.
	Let's get it up on the screen.
	It's unbelievable.
	The attacks just are so over the top.
	I mean, I can handle it, of course, but Fox News' Brian Kilmeade gripes that Laura Loomer shouldn't have credibility to pick who serves in the Trump admin.
	I don't pick anything.
	I simply provide recommendations because there's no vetting going on.
	And I'm helping protect the president.
	So it should say a lot that I'm doing this out of the kindness of my heart.
	I'm doing this because I admire President Trump.
	He's a hero to me.
	He's a transformative political figure, the best president we've ever had.
	He's the leader of our country and the Republican Party.
	And I think the Republican Party is going to crumble and fail, in my opinion, when Donald Trump leaves office.
	I just don't really see any viable successors to...
	The Trump movement.
	Personally, that's just my own opinion.
	But, you know, it's hard to imagine somebody who's going to really be able to be the heir to President Trump's legacy here in the Republican Party.
	I don't really have high hopes for it.
	A lot of people want to instill false hope into people, but I just, I like being a realist.
	You know, I like living my life realistically.
	And the reality is is that we have a lot of weak people in the GOP and they don't have backbone and they're not genuine like Donald Trump and they're not honest like Donald Trump and they're not inspirational like Donald Trump.
	So I'm going to do what I can over these next over these next four years to help somebody who I believe is a transformative political figure a a heroic Historical figure who's going to go down in history as one of the most consequential and important Americans ever.
	That's Donald Trump.
	So I don't really care what these people say about me because at the end of the day, I've actually done more than any of them combined to help Donald Trump.
	And what have I really gotten out of it?
	Aside from getting totally fucked out of jobs multiple times by people who are jealous of me.
	That's really what it boils down to.
	So I think it's really funny when you have people like Brian Kilmeade who come in and try to act like they have authority when we have all these different clips of Brian Kilmeade throughout the presidential election season simping for Ron DeSantis, playing baseball with him, trying to tee up his presidential campaign, saying that Trump is unhinged.
	Like, he actually went on Fox News.
	I think we have this clip.
	If not, it's on my X account and everybody can see it.
	And this is the last thing before I go, I'll say.
	We actually have this clip of Brian Kilmeade saying that Trump was unhinged in the aftermath and leading up to January 6th.
	And we've all seen the Dominion Fox News text messages where Rupert Murdoch was talking about how he wants to destroy Donald Trump.
	He wants to destroy him.
	And he wants Ron DeSantis to win and that he's going to use all of his powers ahead of News Corp and the owner of the Wall Street Journal.
	And Fox News and New York Post and all these media entities to support Ron DeSantis and destroy Donald Trump.
	You know, that's why Donald Trump is always attacking Rupert Murdoch, and rightfully so, right?
	The guy's a liar.
	He's an anti-Trump subverter.
	So we have the clip here, and it's like, who do you trust?
	Do you trust me, the person that's risked everything to support Donald Trump, who continues to support Donald Trump despite nonstop attacks and sabotage from people within his own administration?
	Or somebody like Brian Kilmeade that literally gets paid to read bullshit to the American people every morning.
	Like, literally, stories for retards, okay?
	Steve Bannon always says that Fox News is TV for stupid people.
	Yeah.
	Like, the most boomer-esque shit you'll ever see in your life.
	Like, oh, we woke up this morning and we're going to go to a diner and we're going to ask people, what do you like more, peanut butter or jelly?
	I mean, the world's on fire right now.
	The world's on fire.
	China's about to conquer all of our oil assets in Venezuela and have a freaking, you know, CCP, CCP, you know, like...
	Extreme presence in the Western Hemisphere, okay?
	And all of these oil assets are going to be completely taken over by the Chinese Communist Party, and we're going to be surrounded in the Western Hemisphere by the CCP in China, okay?
	They're getting hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions of dollars, of our oil assets if these oil licenses expire by May 27th, as I've reported on my website.
	And these morons over at Fox News want to interview people in the morning about whether they like peanut butter or jelly and man on the streets.
	Like, we're not the same.
	We're just not the same intellectually.
	And so I just think it's really funny that Brian Kilmeade wants to go around saying that Trump shouldn't listen to me.
	I suppose you should listen to you, Brian, right?
	Where you're attacking Donald Trump as unhinged and saying that Donald Trump was unhinged before January 6th and unhinged after January 6th.
	I just hate these people.
	I actually hate them.
	And I know that hate's a strong word, but I actually have so much hate in my heart for these people.
	I hate them.
	On a personal level, I deeply hate them.
	I hate all of these people who are just total con artists and total fraudsters.
	They are just lying their way to people's...
	You know, through people's living rooms on their TV screens every morning and trying to lie to the American people, kissing Trump's ass when they see him, knowing that they're trying to stab him in the back every chance they get.
	I'm just so sick of these people.
	You know, like, I swear to God, if these people were in front of me and they were on fire, I wouldn't piss on them to put the fire out.
	That's how much I hate these people.
	So I'm glad that they dislike me because, you know what, I just have nothing but resentment and hate for all of them.
	I really do.
	I just hate.
	With all of my soul and all of my heart, I hate these people, you know, and I just hope they know it.
	I just hope they know how much I hate them.
	Let's go ahead and play the clip.
	The stuff that goes on behind the scenes is where you could have a counterargument.
	For example, we all work for people or work with people that sometimes fly off the handle.
	You know you kind of wait it out, count to ten, you go back to them a little bit later.
	Now that you're calm, what do you think?
	You hear that's the way the president often works.
	We're going to build that wall.
	I don't care how much it costs.
	I'll take it out of my pocket.
	Of course that's not the story.
	A little bit later, he comes out and goes, how do we get this done?
	So a lot of this stuff to put in...
	Trump terms, the way he ran his White House, to have someone come back and go, yeah, the president says a lot of stuff.
	Sometimes he says, you know, this lunchroom's a mess.
	If we don't clean this up, we're just going to turn it into a closet.
	That doesn't mean it's fact.
	It's a guy just speaking within the confines of the Oval Office.
	So it would have helped to have pushback.
	But once again, the president was unhinged during that period.
	I interviewed him at West Point, and he was kind enough to give me a few minutes.
	I've never seen him so angry.
	That was in between the election and January 6th.
	As soon as we were done, he just stormed off.
	And you know how long I've known him for 15 years or 20 years prior to me going to the White House.
	I've never seen him so angry.
	So he's convinced he was robbed.
	There's no doubt about it.
	But I have not seen any evidence.
	And these are all incremental examples.
	All right.
	After the.
	Thank you.
	I've seen no evidence of voter fraud.
	Yes, the dementia patients won the election.
	The most votes ever received.
	It's like...
	Okay, Brian.
	You know, and then when he sees Trump on the phone, I've known Trump for 15 years, and we're going to get Donald Trump on the phone this morning on Fox& Friends.
	It's like, you've never seen a bigger con artist in your life than the people on, you know, these people on Fox& Friends that just, like, talk shit about Trump.
	They work for Rupert Murdoch.
	They take their marching orders from Rupert Murdoch, and they just lie nonstop about Donald Trump.
	And then, like, they kiss his ass when he comes on the show, and then they go on these programs, and they just smear him, and they attack him, and they lie about him.
	Just so out of control.
	But look, they can say whatever they want to say about me.
	When we compare receipts and we look at who's actually sacrificed something for Donald Trump and who's actually put skin in the game, nobody can say that they've done more than me.
	Sorry, but you can't.
	So for any of these haters who want to attack and say that I shouldn't be anywhere near the president or that nobody should take my advice, let's compare resumes.
	Let's look at what you've done for Donald Trump and let's take a look at what I've done for Donald Trump.
	Because there's no comparison.
	And the president is not a stupid person.
	He understands that and he sees it.
	Just can't have enough resentment and hate for these people.
	Let's go to the chat.
	just want to see last minute comments last minute thoughts Thank you.
	Fox and Friends is just plain dumb.
	It is.
	It's just so stupid.
	Like I said, it's TV for stupid people.
	What do you like?
	You know, what do you like?
	Peanut butter jelly.
	Oh, let's have some random person on the couch today to talk about nonsensical things that don't even matter.
	Let's talk about, you know, this cooking recipe from my wife and, oh, you know, stuff that doesn't even matter as the world's on fire.
	We have a judicial coup going on in our country, but let's not talk about the judicial coup.
	Let's talk about all this bullshit that doesn't even matter.
	Like, you just want to, like, blow your brains out when you're watching it in the morning, you know?
	Like, the dumbest shit you're ever going to see in your life.
	The most low-IQ television.
	Just so unbearable.
	Really.
	Truly.
	And I think that Trump knows it, too.
	Like, he's called them out so many times, you know?
	And then he goes back and whatever, he talks to them.
	But how many times has Donald Trump taken to True Social to call these people out?
	It's just, like, the most...
	They're honestly the most low IQ people you're ever going to see in your life, these people that work for Fox News.
	I hate to say it, but it's true.
	You can scroll up, and it is just total controlled opposition.
	It really is.
	Thank you.
	Let's see what people have to say.
	Yeah, I mean, everybody, someone said hate's a strong word.
	I'm not sure there's a word for what I feel for them.
	It's a strong word, but you know.
	I've sat there.
	I've struggled with it.
	I was like, you know, is it nice to say this, to say I hate these people?
	But I've come to realize that it is hate.
	It's just true hate.
	It's like pure hatred.
	I don't care, though, because I call myself an equal opportunity hater at the end of the day.
	I don't care if you're on the right or the left.
	I've been in this industry for so long, and I have just nothing but contempt and disdain for so many of these people.
	Like I said, if they were on fire in front of me, I literally wouldn't piss on them to put the fire out.
	I just don't care.
	You know, and I don't know.
	I'm just not one of these people that wants to go along to get along and pretend like I like them just for the sake of, you know, getting invited to their Christmas party so I can go to their galas and eat nasty rubber chicken.
	I'd rather be home with my dogs, to be honest with you.
	Keep my integrity.
	Really.
	The worst people you're ever going to meet in your life.
	Any last comments?
	Any last thoughts?
	Any last thoughts?
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