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Aug. 8, 2023 - Loomer Unleashed - Laura Loomer

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Making the Case for President Trump over Ron DeSantis REMASTERMaking the Case for President Trump over Ron DeSantis REMASTER

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	I am excited for tonight because we have a great guest with a great background.
	You know, I think that you've described yourself as the most bad woman in the country, right?
	So, in the world... I'm gonna give her Twitter back.
	Why I'm excited about having Laura here tonight is not just to talk about Trump and DeSantis, obviously we're gonna talk about that a lot, but back when you did get banned from everything and you were getting debanged in all of these cases, around the same time that Alex Jones was, people didn't save me, right?
	They didn't really start trying to fight and try and help you out, but you were really, you guys were the canaries of the whole line for what eventually would be Donald Trump getting banned on Twitter and getting debanked and all that kind of stuff, and nobody bought for you back then.
	I mean, I think I said a few things, but nobody cared about what I had to say in 2018 or 17 or whatever it was.
	So, I'm happy, you know, there's, you might, as you might imagine, we announced this event maybe two months ago or so.
	There are probably a lot of people out there that think we should do a new platform.
	But again, usually when I hear that from Republicans or other people, then that makes me want to bring you here even more, because that means we're platforming somebody who has been in my conversation.
	Even if it's something unpopular, we actually need to stand for the values that we talk about as Republicans and conservatives and all that kind of thing.
	So I'm happy that we could have you here.
	We are gonna do this kind of podcast style where we just go back and forth.
	We just ask some questions, we kind of chit-chat, and then we'll get into an open Q&A with all of you guys.
	I'm only gonna call on members, so if you're not a member, you've got like 30 minutes to join on our website.
	And then I will, uh, we'll be trying to chat.
	Uh, but only members can ask questions, uh, to us, and then, uh, you know, the goal, like, one of the things, we bring that this is a little bit controversial, right?
	You know, we, we endorsed Ron DeSantis last month, or two months ago at this point, which, yeah.
	And I'm here to change your mind!
	And Laura, you're gonna shake their wine. - That's the whole point of having a Young Republicans Club.
	You know, most Young Republicans Club's do, you know, I'm not trying to throw shade at all of them, but there's only a few in the entire country that insert themselves into national politics, or insert themselves into the national conversation or political conversation.
	So if we can do that from our little club here in Tampa, which is actually now the second largest nation, but it's still our little club, you know, we did not suppose to do more than a few here.
	And, you know, the goal of this is not to be a debate.
	Our audience here, our members of people watching at home, thinking this is like an all pro DeSantis group that just like only went for him.
	Like this is a group that was almost split 50/50 or so on Trump or DeSantis when we did our poll a couple months ago.
	And we asked everybody, where did you stand on the approval rating of we're on the stand as a governor, Trump as president?
	It was 97% for each one of them.
	Everybody here for the most part thinks that they did a great job as governor, as president.
	So we've got a group here that likes both candidates a lot. - Except. - Except, except Laura.
	But as far as the group goes, right, like everybody here, it's not really meant, this is not a debate between me and you about DeSantis, Trump.
	But we're gonna have a nice conversation and I'm gonna sit up here with everyone, we're gonna chit chat and I hope that by the end of all this, the Trump team will be upset with me, the DeSantis team will be upset with me, and everyone will be upset with me, and that's because I hopefully did a good job watering this thing because we came out somewhere where we actually had a good conversation.
	So, with no, I mean, I actually do wanna start this out.
	We can take a seat. - Yeah.
	We can take a seat.
	Can you get your mic over here?
	Be sure to, if you're not following me on Twitter, just go to my Twitter now and retweet the livestream so everybody on your feed can watch it, or you can also share the live Rumble link as well.
	We're live on Rumble, Twitter, livestream, and YouTube.
	- Yeah.
	- Pull out your phones.
	- Yeah, you guys are welcome to pull out your phones. - Welcome to pull out your phones before we get started. - So I do wanna get started with this because a lot of people are not aware of your background They're not aware of where you started, how you got yourself into politics.
	So let's just talk a little bit about how you got started in politics, what you were doing.
	Yeah.
	So I went to college in Miami.
	I originally went to school for one semester in Massachusetts at a women's college called Mount Holyoke.
	And I quickly learned that an all-women's college in Massachusetts was probably like the worst decision I ever made in my life.
	I was on fire breathing.
	Straight woman, right?
	So then I transferred.
	I could have taken after one semester.
	So I transferred to this school called Barrett University, which is a Catholic school that I was able to get an honor scholarship for.
	And so I immediately transferred and started living in Miami, Florida, where I was the president of the College Republicans.
	And really, all throughout my time in college, I worked very hard to really resurrect the College Republican Club, and I used to joke that I was not only the president and vice president, but the treasurer and secretary, right?
	Because I ended up doing all the work.
	Because as you can imagine, it's always an uphill battle when you're trying to push a conservative ideology on your college campus.
	And I was threatened with expulsion for having events.
	And mind you, I had a 4.0 GPA, right?
	So they just hated me because of my viewpoints.
	And ultimately, I ended up starting, I started working for Project Veritas my senior year.
	And I did an investigation on my own university with James O'Keefe.
	And when the university had threatened me, because while I was in college, I actually did some work doing better registration with the Republican Party of Florida.
	And my university was threatening to kick me out for some made-up lie, right?
	And I thought to myself, wow, you know, they're so discriminatory towards Republicans.
	Let me come up with some crazy idea to expose my university.
	So I had this idea of creating an ISIS club.
	To see if the university would be more open to me having a pro-ISIS club as opposed to my college Republican club.
	So, I thought I'd hit a camera, and I went to the school administrator, and I was like, you know, I just feel like we're such a totalitarian country, and desperate people do desperate things.
	And so, would it be okay if I started this club called Sympathetic Students in Support of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria?
	And would it be okay if I sent student government funds overseas to ISIS?
	And they're like, yeah, no problem, just change the name to Students in Support of the Middle East so nobody knows you're sending money to ISIS.
	And it's a cool story.
	It's on YouTube.
	And we actually replicated the same script at Cornell.
	And long story short, the video came out and I was expelled from college a month before graduation.
	I was valedictorian and I wasn't even allowed to go to my own college graduation.
	I immediately then moved to New York, where I started working full-time undercover with James O'Keefe, and my first undercover assignment as a full-time undercover operative was in the Hillary Clinton campaign.
	So I was embedded in Iowa, New York, Arizona, New Hampshire, and Arizona, and Nevada, I believe, for a portion of, well, really throughout the entire 2015-2016 election season.
	And long story short, worked with Project Veritas for several years, and then I decided I wanted to start my own media company, where I started making my Loomers confrontation videos, where I would livestream myself confronting politicians.
	And ultimately, I just became too effective and controversial, exposing politicians, and I got banned on all social media.
	And like you said, I was really one of the canaries in the coal mine, and we can get into all that.
	But I then decided to run for Congress in 2020 down in Palm Beach, and then with the redistricting, I ran again in 2022 in the villages.
	And now that I have my Twitter account back, I'm back to doing a lot of my investigative reporting, But for about six years, I'd say, I was completely erased online, even though I have a very long history of doing undercover journalism.
	- Yeah, that's why I wanted it for you to keep going on.
	That, you know, it's one thing to get banned off social media, right?
	Even people on the right will make arguments, oh, it's a private company, they can ban whoever they want, this and that.
	But then, where my argument's coming from, I've written articles about this, about when all of them, as CEOs, sit around in a big cabal and say, hey, we're going to not just knock you off of Twitter and Facebook and all these other places, but also PayPal and Stripe and your bank and all these other places and they get together and it's just all at once.
	Can you just talk about, I mean it is really for people who are actual ISIS terrorists in the country, that's really the only people that I thought growing up that would get that kind of treatment.
	So talk a little bit about what it was like to be a man and everything.
	It's funny that you say that because I actually wrote a book it's in the back there, it's called Loomer and How I Became the Most Fan Woman in the World.
	The concept of deplatforming was actually created and developed by the CIA and the intelligence agencies in our country as a way to deal with Islamic terrorism online.
	And so, in a sense you could argue that how Counterterrorism tactics have now been deployed against conservative Americans and Trump supporters, and really just anybody, as we saw during, you know, the COVID lockdowns as well.
	All you have to do is be a dissident and go against the mainstream media narrative, and you will have these techniques that were deployed for the sake of combating jihadists, right, during the war on terror, utilized against you.
	And so I wrote this story about Ilhan Omar marrying her brother before she was ever elected to Congress.
	In 2018, I was out in Minnesota doing all this reporting, and when I broke this story, right, people said, oh, Oral Luber's just some crazy anti-Muslim conspiracy theorist, right?
	She hates Muslims.
	Not true.
	And, you know, as a Jewish conservative woman, I did a lot of work exposing anti-Semitism, but also, too, exposing the Islamification of our country, right, under the Obama administration, and how that then turned into the Islamification of our institutions, like our federal and how that then turned into the Islamification of our institutions, like our federal law enforcement agencies, as We have full-blown jihadists serving in Congress today.
	And so they banned me for a tweet in which I said, Ilhan Omar is anti-Jewish and pro-Saria.
	And after that, they essentially used that as the excuse to ban me everywhere.
	So I was banned on Facebook, Instagram, PayPal, Venmo, GoFundMe, Chase Bank shut me down from my online bank, I banned on Uber, Lyft, Uber Eats, the list goes on and on.
	I banned on Teespring, I got banned on Clubhouse literally five minutes after I created my account.
	you know, it's so hard for me sometimes to even remember all the places that I've been banned.
	And when I ran for Congress, I was the first candidate in the United States history that was completely deplatformed on all social media.
	So here in the state of Florida, right, this is kind of my beef with Rob DeSantis, this is where it all got started.
	You know, I ran as a Republican in 2020 in District 21, which is about President Trump's district, and I actually won my primary.
	It was to start a seven-way primary with zero social media.
	And even after I won my primary, I was still not allowed to have Facebook or Twitter.
	I was the only candidate in the nation that, as an individual in my official campaign, they created, they actually invented new policies on Facebook and Twitter to keep me off.
	And Rob DeSantis did nothing about this.
	They refused to address it, even though I was an official candidate on the ballot for the general election.
	And then in 2021, Ron DeSantis was like, oh, we're going to create a big tech social media censorship bill in the state of Florida, and we're going to make it illegal for companies to censor candidates running for office.
	At the time, right, I was the only candidate in the state of Florida that this applied to, aside from Donald Trump, because in 2021, right, he was de-platformed on January 8th, 2021, right, two days after January 6th.
	And so, the only two people this would have really applied to was myself and Donald Trump.
	So I hire a lobbyist, okay?
	I actually raised $40,000 to do this on my own.
	The Florida State Capitol was locked down at the time, despite claims that Florida is, like, you know, a free state that never had any lockdowns.
	And I had to literally get a lobbyist in order to have meetings with our elected officials in the state of Florida to try to influence them on amending their big tech bill to include payment processor protection as well.
	Because it's not just your ability to have access to social media companies, right?
	It's arguably worse, you know, than, like, to not be able to have a bank, to not have a Facebook, right?
	Well, not just a bank, but payment processing, or also to Uber and Lyft.
	Like, one example I gave when I was the only Floridian, believe it or not, who testified in front of the Florida House Appropriations Committee on this bill.
	The only one.
	And there's video of it as well.
	And I said, you know, Uber and Lyft during one of the hurricanes, I forget the name of the one, that was Hurricane Dorian, the one that was supposed to come through Palm Beach County, right?
	When I was living there, I was like, oh my God, I live in the middle of an evacuation zone.
	And I remember, I was like, what am I going to do with my car?
	It's going to flood away.
	And I thought to myself, oh wow, this is really interesting.
	Uber and Lyft then put out this announcement that they were going to be giving people in Palm Beach and evacuation zones free rides to shelters.
	And I'm like, wait, I'm banned.
	So does that mean that because I'm banned by big tech, because they discriminate against me for being a conservative, that they would allow me to potentially die in a hurricane?
	Think about it.
	And so these are the issues, right?
	So life or death matter when you think about it.
	We saw during COVID when they said, okay, you have to socially distance and you have to be home and get your news on Facebook and Twitter.
	And if you go back and you look at these briefings, the sheriffs and even Ron DeSantis himself were saying, oh, follow us on Twitter and Facebook.
	For life-saving information, when everybody thought that COVID was like the zombie apocalypse, right?
	And that we were all going to die before we realized that it was a flu with a 99.7% recovery rate, right?
	So imagine, imagine if it really was a serious outbreak, something like Ebola, okay?
	And you have your elected officials saying, okay, the only way you're going to get life-saving information is if you follow us on Twitter and Facebook.
	This is not just an issue of free speech, it's now a civil rights issue.
	I had advocated and really told the Florida Legislature, listen, you guys need to approach this not from a standpoint of Section 230, but from a civil rights aspect.
	And the civil rights laws in Florida need to be updated to include political affiliation as a protected class so that conservatives are not discriminated against.
	It's not a free speech issue.
	It's a civil rights issue.
	Okay, you have Elon Musk now proclaiming that it's a digital public square, and when you decide to completely digitally exterminate somebody, and you are illegally interfering in the will of the people, when you combine all the people who live in District 21 and District 11, that's over 2 million people who had their
	Election illegally interfered in with zero consequence whatsoever here in the state of Florida, while your governor, okay, our governor, unfortunately, is going on Fox News with Tucker Carlson saying, well, in Florida, under my leadership, it's illegal now to censor candidates.
	I'm walking, living, breathing proof that no big tech company has faced any consequence whatsoever for their illegal election interference and civil rights violations of Floridians.
	Yeah, there's obviously a lot to unpack there, and I think that, again, it does prove that, you know, you get banned from something, and it does, you want to run for Congress, you want to run for some sort of elected office, that it does, it is election interference, and we're obviously seeing it a lot now when it comes to the presidential election, and obviously you haven't allowed back on Twitter, and so part of this last election, I would say that you're probably one of the loudest voices for Donald Trump, who's not currently using Twitter, right?
	And I think that, didn't today he just send you a letter or something thanking you for all the work you're doing and all that kind of stuff?
	So, talk about now what it's been like to at least have one platform back, and what has been the experience where people are starting to hear your voice for the first time in many years?
	Yeah, so he did actually send me a letter today thanking me.
	Well, just a note, right?
	Donald Trump doesn't use the computer, believe it or not.
	Everybody thinks that he's like the most online person ever because he tweets, but Donald Trump doesn't use computers.
	And so, when you have a meeting with President Trump, like I did, it's so funny because he still uses a fax machine, believe it or not.
	He has his secretary print articles out, and so when you're sitting at his desk, you see, it's like, A mountain of just papers.
	And he has his secretary print out every single article, and then when he wants to reply to the person who wrote the article, he writes in big black sharpies, you know?
	And then they scan it and they send it back to whoever wrote it.
	So I get these scanned messages from Trump all the time where it's like, oh, great job, love this article, you know?
	Keep up the good work!
	So it's really nice that he takes time to do that.
	You know, like you said, I've only been back on Twitter since December.
	Still banned everywhere else, unfortunately.
	And it's been a weird mixed reaction because some people are like, oh wow, I didn't even realize you were still around, you know?
	Because people tend to forget about you when you are digitally exterminated for like six years, right?
	And since I've been back, it's been nice in the sense that I've been able to actually utilize my journalistic talents again.
	They completely destroyed my livelihood because if you're a journalist like I am and you have a degree in this, you have to have social media in order to be an effective journalist in this day and age.
	Sometimes your job actually depends on it.
	And so you are either hired or not hired depending on how much of a following you have.
	And if any of you are in influencer marketing, and I know some of you are, and there are a lot of big social media influencers here in the state of Florida and Tampa, you know that your livelihood is directly tied to your following.
	So just imagine if you're trying to just push out your articles and even get a story out, and you're not even allowed to have access to anything because it just gets blocked.
	But there are still people that don't want me online.
	Like I said, it's just about informing people, and I feel like I'm doing a really big public service, even though a lot of people in Florida are pissed at me for going after Ron DeSantis the way I am, because people need to have integrity.
	And we voted for Ron DeSantis as governor because we thought that he was going to serve a second four-year term.
	And I think that it's very disingenuous and it's very decessive for him to take, right, $200 million in donations from Trump supporters like he did.
	He broke fundraising records in 2022 when he ran for governor again.
	And then he held on to $100 million of those donations.
	And now he's weaponized them against Donald Trump.
	I mean, how many of you donated to Ron DeSantis in 2022?
	Yes.
	And how many of you voted for Donald Trump?
	Do you like the fact that your donation money is going to be going towards attack ads on Donald Trump?
	No.
	Right, so it's not okay, it's not acceptable, and The fact that he also has weaponized and abused his power to change Florida law, like changing Florida's resign-to-run law, unacceptable.
	That's the kind of stuff that we would attack the left for.
	You know, one of the things about that rule, you know, I ran for state house last year and if I were sitting up there right now, one of the things that I would notice about that law is it's not, and this is actually kind of my argument, not just what's happening for a presidential election, but how it affects all of the people below that want to run for city council, the county commission, and all these other things.
	Like, we have a lot of people in this state, and they didn't change the rule, they only changed the rule for president, If you have a governor who wants to have a president, but if they would have changed the resign-to-run law, which is a fantastic law, right now we would have a lot of state house reps who would run for Congress and see their congressional race and pan out the way they wanted to and then go right back into the state house.
	And it's very, very hard, and this is something – as somebody who leaves young Republicans around the state of Florida, this keeps us from running.
	It keeps young people from running because we only run when there's an opening because we want to run against an incumbent.
	We can talk about that for a little bit.
	What's it like to run against an incumbent or Republican Party?
	How does McCarthy treat you?
	You know, I could talk about my experience about how the GOP treats me here, you know, whether I want to challenge somebody or not, or whether you want to challenge somebody or not.
	Like, talk a little bit about what it's like to challenge the establishment when you want to run.
	Well, I think it's important for everybody to understand that just like Kevin McCarthy, right, controls all the congressional races, Whether or not you want to believe that, it is true, right?
	He controls the flow of money from the NRCC, okay?
	Into these races, and if Kevin McCarthy doesn't want you in, they're going to find ways to subvert your race and to throw dark money at your race to try to subvert you, especially if you are a challenging incumbent like I did.
	And in your case, right, you ran for Florida House, and so Ron DeSantis controls the Florida GOP.
	People think, oh, it's Christian Ziegler, the chairman, or, oh, it's Evan Power.
	No.
	The Florida GOP is still controlled by Governor Ron DeSantis, right?
	They try to pretend like, oh, he moved out of our office, even though we had 24 of his staffers on our payroll until the time that he filed to run for president.
	He still controls it.
	And so, as you mentioned...
	how popular Ron DeSantis became in the state of Florida changed the dynamic between the governor's office and the senate and everything because I mean-- - That's not how popular he is, it's the fact that he acts like a dictator.
	He literally threatened the legislature and is on record.
	You have legislators and lobbyists on record in Florida who said, oh, we were basically propositioned by Ron DeSantis' official campaign staff and his official taxpayer-funded staff in his gubernatorial office in Tallahassee, and they said, hey, if you don't write a max-out donation check to Ron DeSantis, you're not going to get any access, and we're going to make sure your legislative efforts fail.
	There are articles written about and even confirmed by legislators.
	Look what they did to Joe Gruters.
	Joe Gruters was the only Republican representative in the state of Florida who endorsed Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis retaliated.
	How did he retaliate?
	Well, he represents Sarasota, Joe Gruters says.
	And so Ron DeSantis vetoed over $30 million of funds that were supposed to go towards projects to help improve the quality of life for the residents of Sarasota as a form of Retaliation against Joe Gruters.
	And Joe Gruters isn't the one that's going to be suffering.
	It's the people of Skinner Soda.
	So, I don't think that that's effective leadership when you're literally threatening freshman lawmakers and saying, hey, be prepared to get a primary opponent when you run again if you don't endorse Ron DeSantis.
	Well, one thing I'll say to that, you know, we had Mike Belcher, state rep, Mike Belcher in here last month.
	And we had, I want to say, ten state reps or something like that that did not endorse Ron DeSantis or so.
	- The vast majority of them, but it wasn't.
	Not quite all of them. - Well, he was the only one that came out like globally in the support of Donald Trump the way he did, and then he was punished. - But I guess my question was, in the past, when we had Jeff Bush or we had Rick Scott and some of these other governors, we had Senate presidents who maybe could push back on them or like they maybe, they didn't feel as if the governor was popular enough that he could overpower them on an issue or anything.
	Like, do you think it's just the way that Ron DeSantis is styled as governor, or do you think it has to do with just the mandate he feels as he has because of the election results?
	Well, it's bribery is what it is.
	So, I actually just did a story about this And I wrote a story about how when Ron DeSantis had the 100 million dollars left over, and it's all sourced, I'm not making this stuff up, you can see it.
	A lot of people don't want to talk about this because another thing that Ron DeSantis does is he credits reporters.
	And this has been documented as well, where you are a reporter, you push back on Ron DeSantis, In the Florida media or the national press, and you hold his campaign accountable or question why they're doing certain things, you're blacklisted from his campaign events.
	There's tons of reporters.
	They got reporters fired for reporting on his presidential campaign.
	So when Ron DeSantis had this $100 million left over, they changed the name of his PAC.
	It was called Friends of Ron DeSantis.
	It was a state entity.
	And one of the things that he did was he appointed, in May of 2022, a guy by the name of Cord Bird as the new Florida Secretary of State.
	And he quietly had Cord Bird change the Florida election handbook with regards to how you're allowed to transfer funds between state entities like state PACs and federal PACs.
	And so what Ron DeSantis did is he deceptively had the name of his PAC, Friends of Ron DeSantis, changed to the Empower Parents PAC.
	And then Blake DiGoglio, who's a state senator, okay, in the state of Florida, was listed as the chairman of the PAC.
	Then what they did is they quietly, right, days after the Florida legislature changed, resigned to run, and they said that they passed the amendment, they quietly transferred $1 million to a brand new PAC that got propped up days later after this legislation was approved.
	And guess who operates the new PAC called Empower Parents Florida?
	You see the same exact name except for Florida at the end to try to confuse people about the flow of money.
	Paul Renner, the Florida Speaker of the House.
	And so, when you say, oh, do you think that, you know, Ron Skanzis is just his strong leadership that gets the Senate President and the Florida Speaker of the House on board with him?
	No, it's bribery.
	If somebody comes to you and says, hey, you want a million dollars?
	Just make sure that the law's changed, right?
	So, I think that there's a lot of bribery involved here.
	Ron DeSantis also appointed, um, uh, what's his name?
	Senator, um, Pasadena?
	Pasadena?
	He appointed her daughter to the Utility Commission.
	Okay, so, hey, I'll give your daughter a position on the Utility Commission.
	Just do as I say.
	And a lot of people don't know this, right?
	They don't know all the wheeling and dealing that's taking place in the Florida Legislature because Let's be honest, right?
	For some people, state politics just isn't as sexy as all the national political drama.
	So you have all this bribery and corruption that's happening here, and I'm calling it out, and I get called a hater, but I'm just trying to inform you of an abuse of power that's taking place right under your noses!
	So to speak to that, I'm kind of here just to play devil's advocate to this, so that there's some sort of back and forth on it.
	What I've heard from other people who talk about this million dollars that got sent to Paul Ruddertag and everything, is that this money is going to be spent for school board races, like all across the state and everything like that.
	And so you've got potential school board, conservative school board nominees that might benefit from this, and that this money is going to end up being used- Well, they're liars, and I have the evidence that I'll tell you why they're liars right now.
	So that's exactly the place to go, they have said.
	He goes, oh, we're going to transfer the $82.5 million that's left over, okay, in the PAC.
	They changed the name to Empower Parents PAC.
	They were on DeSantis, friends of Ron DeSantis PAC.
	That was $82.5 million that was raised from Trump supporters for the sake of getting Ron DeSantis re-elected.
	They quietly have the Florida law changed so that you can transfer it to a federal entity.
	And then, Blazin' Gokulia, okay, props up this fake website for the Empower Parents PAC.
	And they say, oh, we're going to help spread a message of parental rights, and we're going to help school board racism, yadda, yadda, yadda, yadda.
	They literally transfer the $82.5 million to the Never Back Down super PAC, and then they send the letter the next day to the Florida Division of Elections asking them to shutter the PAC.
	So how shitty is that?
	Like, oh, no, let's make it seem like we're going to protect parents and support parents And then we're actually just going to transfer it to a federal race, and we're going to quietly end the pack so that nobody knows, but we're going to keep the website active so that your average person really thinks that, wow, Ron was such a great guy, he just gave me 2.5 million dollars to support parents' rights.
	That's fraud.
	That is political and financial fraud.
	So... You know, I...
	I will say that we must do this.
	What do you think about that?
	Don't you think that's a lesson?
	So like I said, I'm not... They can't go back.
	It's not going to exist anymore.
	It's not an explicit path.
	I guess my opinion personally over this kind of stuff is that I see money moving from pack to pack to pack in all these different places and every candidate does it.
	It's not a good thing, right?
	And I think that we've had bills here in Florida that have tried to stop it from happening.
	But they don't get passed, right?
	But this is politics, right?
	You see it, I see it, when somebody wants to run again from like their state house to Congress or whatever like that.
	The money ends up going to these... A big part of his platform is that he's some savior for parents, right?
	And that's his whole shtick.
	Like, oh, look at me, you know?
	I'm like Glenn Young and I'm here to be the savior for your children.
	And then he says, okay, I'm gonna give you guys $82.5 million because I'm so generous and this money's gonna go towards bolstering the parental rights movement.
	But it's actually being spent, because they only transferred the money.
	All $82.5 million of it went to the Never Back Down Super PAC, which is now running.
	They just took out a seven-figure anti-Trump TV ad buy in the state of Iowa.
	They're spending millions of dollars.
	And then on top of it, he lied and said he raised $150 million through a joint fundraising effort through the PAC, the Never Back Down PAC, and the Ron DeSantis for President campaign.
	So they said, oh, DeSantis raised $20 million for his campaign.
	Oh, he raised so much more money than Trump because the PAC raised $130 million.
	Well, you didn't really raise $130 million on the PAC.
	You transferred $82.5 million from your gubernatorial PAC that was money.
	Trump supporters trusted that you were going to use that money to further your agenda as governor.
	Not just staff, but the man in the back.
	you owe your entire political career too. - When it comes to the support manager, that is what a lot of the Trump supporters really feel like, right, that this is a loyalty thing, that this is about going and stabbing that this is a loyalty thing, that this is about going and stabbing somebody That's overall the ethos of what a lot of people feel.
	But it's also corruption, it's not like you just take Trump out of it for a second.
	Let's just say that he was to use the million dollars.
	Like I said, last election we ended up having 30 or so school board members that were actually endorsed by Rhonda Sanderson.
	This is actually something we talked about a lot during the last election, was that we never had a governor that actually came in and got themselves into the weeds of a school board race.
	This was something that was totally ignored locally in all these different places.
	If that money does end up going towards another slew of 30 But it's not though.
	They already transferred all of it.
	They transferred it.
	They already transferred the money.
	They can't earmark it now.
	It's already been transferred.
	- I think this is like a Jordan-LeBron conversation when you say this. - What do you mean? - Who's the greatest?
	- So I'll, I guess like we'll, we're gonna do it.
	Listen, I'm not trying to be dramatic.
	I'm just saying, there's no hypothetical, right?
	Because it's not like, oh, what if they decide to use the money?
	They ended the pact.
	That's what I'm trying to say.
	The money is no longer in this Empowered Parents pact because they dissolved the entity.
	There's no such thing as the Empowered Parents pact anymore.
	It was a fraudulent front So that Ron DeSantis could take his name off of the Friends of Ron DeSantis hat, so that nobody would know that $82.5 million was transferred from the state entity, okay, over to a federal anti-Trump supercat.
	And so, we could talk about, well, what if he sends money?
	What if he does this?
	They've already plumbed through millions of dollars, and all of the money has been earmarked for the Never Back Down supercat, which is now bankrolling in violation of election laws.
	The Ron DeSantis for President campaign, because he's not fiscally conservative, and he has blown through over 69% of his first quarter fundraising funds.
	So I would love to sit here and talk to you about, well, what if they decide to get involved in racism?
	How about local candidates with, you know, mass donations?
	But they lied to you.
	They literally tried to get you.
	They psychologically manipulated you and said, oh, well, How nice of them to put the focus on parental rights because they're trying to mimic the Glenn Youngkin strategy of having this red wave that's catapulted by the parental rights movement.
	But it's all fraudulent.
	And if you follow the money trail, as I've laid out, with all the financial expenditure receipts and documentation, you'll see the PAC doesn't even exist anymore.
	It was an affront.
	It was an affront to protect Ron DeSantis' name.
	I know that, obviously, you do this every day, right?
	And you are digging in probably more than anybody else in the country on some of the reports, the NBC reports, all this other kind of stuff.
	I know we've got a big audience here.
	I don't know how directly involved they are in this kind of into the weeds on Twitter every day.
	And so can we talk, I know this is partially as a surrogate to Donald Trump's campaign, right?
	Unless Donald Trump wants to come to one of our events, if you've watched, you're welcome to come out to one of our events.
	We'll host the whole gala for you if you want to come out.
	Stand with DeSantis, too.
	We'll host the whole gala.
	Gotta take your endorsement, though.
	One of the things I wanted to ask you, though, is to talk a little bit more about... I wanted you to talk a little bit more broadly about, like, some of the appeal to Donald Trump over DeSantis more than some of, like, the nuances of some of these... Yeah, well...
	Well, that's why I think, you know, that's why I was going to ask you if you want to try to grab the microphone, I was going to say.
	We've got to share a microphone.
	I know, I know, we've got to share.
	All I was going to say is that perhaps now that, you know, the curtain, right, or the mask has been ripped off of Ron DeSantis, I mean, how many people are members of your club would be open to redoing a bowl?
	Because I think a lot of people were juiced into thinking that Ron DeSantis was somebody that he isn't.
	And I think that now that a lot of this information has come out, perhaps your club members would actually endorse Donald Trump over a lot of his candidates. - It's actually something within our board.
	We've talked about doing straw polls along the way because things do change obviously.
	I defend the decision that we made to do it at the very beginning of this election without Ray jumping in, because I think, again, it brings attention to our club, and I think it was the right thing to do, but the point is that we are going to probably be continuing to poll as we go throughout this entire thing, so it's something that we're going to be doing.
	Yeah, I mean, you guys, if you want to get attention, Tampa, Tampa Bay, and I'm a Republican for a sin to endorse this!
	That's the goal here, we're just here to make national headlines.
	So, like I said, what I do want to keep going on about is, again, I want to continue to talk, you know, broadly, like, what is the argument, you know, for Trump over DeSantis beyond just some of the things you've gotten to so far?
	Well, I think that, uh, You know, look, President Donald Trump, okay, he had four years of prudent, effective policy in his hand.
	And the fact of the matter is, is we can go through policies all night long, but I think that integrity matters.
	And I think that, uh, Donald Trump's, uh, you know, voice is castrated, but promises made, promises kept is important.
	And Ronald Santas promised to be governor for another four years.
	Okay, it's rather selfish of him to rob another politically-minded, aspirational Republican of the opportunity to run for governor of Florida if he, in fact, didn't want to be a full-time governor.
	He's never even here anymore.
	Okay?
	And so, we're coming up on hurricane season.
	I know here in Tampa we have the highest inflation in the state of Florida.
	Tampa has the highest inflation of any city in the state of Florida, and it's the highest inflation of any city in the entire country.
	So, it's very expensive, and we have a housing market, an insurance crisis here, and I think that the fact that Governor Ron DeSantis is willing to completely abandon the needs, okay, and the concerns of the people that he took an oath to represent is all the evidence in the world that you need as to why he's not running for primetime, why he is not I guess, fit, right?
	To, I don't even think run for president ever, not even in 2028, because we really haven't been able to see this man's true character.
	And so, I'm happy to answer questions about Donald Trump's policies on my blog, but the fact of the matter is, is majority of Americans in this country, across party lines, believe that the 2020 election was stolen, or somehow fraudulent.
	Over 70% of Americans.
	And so, can we now know that the election was fraudulent?
	Okay, we've seen the whistleblower testimony, we've seen congressional testimony from the Big Ten executives that show that the FBI had weekly briefings leading up to the 2020 election to censor information that otherwise fully indicates would have completely Donald Trump is entitled to the second term that was stolen from him.
	If we are a country that is just going to roll over and make excuses for this illegitimate communist regime that is occupying the White House right now to steal our election and deprive us of the representation that we are entitled to and the representation that we voted for, Then we are a failed country.
	We are a failed country.
	And I would say today that the American empire has collapsed.
	For 2024 is our last chance to prove the world whether or not Americans truly have a backbone.
	Whether or not this great experiment is worth preserving any longer.
	Because if we're not going to fight for election integrity, which is the most important issue facing our country and the entire world today, then I would say that we deserve to fail.
	I understand we're not going to have a lot of disagreement there, but that's something that this organization actually came out in the state of Florida.
	We came out in 2020 or so, and as soon as the election was finished, we actually came out with an entire list of all the different things and different changes that need to go back after the COVID laws have changed everything.
	The mass mail-in ballots, the Zuckerberg money, all that kind of stuff.
	And we've got much better laws here.
	They didn't go into effect our last election though, by the way.
	You know, we still had the mass mail-in ballots the last month.
	Yeah, we both got screwed.
	We both got screwed on mail-in ballots.
	And so one of the things that I'll, I'll, I'll pose to you is actually, I haven't really heard too many people talk about this.
	You know, there's still, I have an entire thing called Voting Trust.
	It's a 501c4.
	We're trying to change the laws all over the country to get, get rid of all of the crazy COVID laws that still exist around here.
	About a third of the country has fixed them, but about maybe half of the country has not.
	So I have very little faith that we're not going to see almost the exact same thing in a lot of these states that are in the swing states and everything.
	We don't get anything changed legally and all this ballot harvesting and all this other things we need to talk about.
	But one of the things I think is interesting during this primary that we've almost reverted to saying, oh, they're going to take the election in 2024.
	But then we've got the entire primary.
	So I'm curious to get your thoughts on if we're talking about elections being stolen or any of that kind of stuff for 2024 and the general for Biden.
	What's your thoughts on a primary?
	Yeah, well, they are trying to steal the primary election nomination for Donald Trump.
	the Florida GOP specifically.
	And as I exclusively, I wrote this story actually, Evan Howard, who is the Vice Chair of the Florida GOP, did you know that he is married to Melissa Power, who is the CFO, the Chief Financial Officer of the Ron DeSantis for President campaign?
	I mean, talk about a conflict of interest, okay?
	And then on top of that, the Republican Party of Florida just changed their rules.
	To make it so that if you don't sign a loyalty oath, you can't even be on a ballot in the state of Florida.
	So, that's election interference.
	That's a way that they're trying to steal domination from Donald Trump.
	It's through last minute rule changes and procedural gimmicks.
	You saw this in California.
	I don't know if any of you saw my expose two weeks ago on the California GOP.
	They were literally trying to have a secret meeting, okay, to change California's winner-take-all delegation process.
	for the process of awarding delegates in the GOP primary in California, which is always winner take all, to make it proportional.
	So that even if you won the California GOP primary, I have hair on my mouth, which is weird.
	Even if you won the California GOP primary, there's 169 delegates in California, which is the most delegates out of any state in the country, right?
	So California, believe it or not, plays a really big role in deciding who the GOP nominee is on the floor of a convention, right?
	When we are in Seattle at a convention.
	And they were trying to make it so that even if you were to win, right, majority, you would still have to give the second place person, in this case Ron DeSantis, right?
	We're looking at national poll trends right now.
	Nearly 50 to 60 of the delegates And that's a way, okay, to compromise for the fact that Ron Sanders, they know, is not going to be able to win states like Iowa.
	He's not going to be able to win states like New Hampshire.
	And so, just like we saw the strategy in 2016 at the convention, right, where Ken Trucinelli and all these other Trumpers and tech producers tried to have a brokered convention, where they had a delegate heist on the floor of the convention.
	It's the same people!
	Why do you think Ron DeSantis hired all of Ted Cruz's former, uh, like, his entire campaign apparatus from 2015-2016, which Ted Cruz generally was a part of?
	Because when he keeps saying, oh, we have a plan, we have a plan, well, look, dude, you're, uh, working for all your money, and you're at 17% in the polls nationally, and, uh, Donald Trump is, like, 40 points ahead of you, and you're, you're just, uh, trashing every single day.
	What's your plan?
	We figured it out.
	It's these last minute rule changes and procedural limits.
	If Donald Trump is not able to be on the ballot in Florida, he can kiss the GOP nomination goodbye.
	So we need to hold the Florida GOP accountable because they're literally trying to bring this election.
	That's something that, you know, I know you and Evan Powers have gone back and forth about this on Twitter and Christian Ziegler and these guys.
	Because he's a liar, they're just honest.
	So, you know, one of the things that you... I mean, you have to admit, it's a conflict of interest.
	But do you think... I mean, let me stop you, though, really quick.
	Oh, yes!
	Do you think that taking a little, you know... I'm not trying to make people think that I'm a bad person and that I'm crazy.
	We're pointing out common sense, okay?
	So...
	Okay, so think about it.
	If you were to have a trial, you go through jury selection, and if you have a populative interest, right, you can't be on the jury.
	So what makes Eisenhower think that he can be a neutral participant in overseeing the Florida GOP primary when his wife is literally getting picked by the Ron DeSantis for President campaign?
	So one of the things, as far as like changing the rules and everything goes, I mean like I think that this has been something that's, you know, like if I join the RAC, which I'm part of the RAC, you're gonna have to take a loyalty oath to the Republican Party, and then the argument is that like you take, you don't want to get somebody on the stage in a debate where you have the Sunshine State Summit, and they use that platform to run as an independent.
	Yes, we do want that!
	We do want that!
	I mean, well, maybe you and I could disagree on that.
	We do!
	We do!
	Because it's not Democrats that are the problem in this country.
	It's speckless rhinos, okay?
	Who have to work for the Republican Party.
	In my opinion, it's good for the Republican Party.
	Punching right is good for the Republican Party.
	Because if we don't start calling out our own, and we don't start having higher standards for all of these rhinos who are essentially Democrats with an R next to their name on the ballot, then Yeah, you complain about the Uniparty.
	Guess what?
	You get what you vote for.
	And if you're not willing to shake things up and have a little controversy, then, you know, you only have yourself to blame.
	And so, I take that loyalty oath.
	Taking an oath to a party?
	I mean, what happens if you find out that a nominee has child porn on their laptop, and then they say, oh, you have to take an oath to support this person because they're our nominee?
	No, I'm not owing for anybody who I don't support.
	I am only supporting Donald Trump and I'm proudly an only Trumper voter.
	And I'm the only one.
	I will campaign against Ron DeSantis if he is the nominee.
	Because I'm not going to be told by the feckless, corrupt Republican Party that did nothing when Donald Trump was deplatformed, that did nothing when I was deplatformed in the state of Florida, that did nothing to fight back against the stolen election, who I'm going to vote for.
	I will vote for whoever I want to vote for, and all of you should vote for whoever you want to vote for.
	Loyalty oaths and the Reagan rule.
	There's a lot of commandment of never speak ill of another Republican.
	He's going to be put in a shredder on full speed.
	And my favorite hobby.
	I do think it's good to have these conversations within the primary and do all that kind of stuff.
	I do think that when it comes to loyalty oaths and all this kind of stuff, again, this is something that we do as a party because what I don't want to see is, again, I know that you feel a certain way about Rhonda Sanders, but ultimately when this primary is over, I think this is where you and I will disagree on the most, is that
	We should be getting behind whoever the Republican nominee is, because if the alternative is Biden, I will vote for, I don't know everybody that's in the race, but just about everybody else in the Republican Party, I will take Ron DeSantis over him, I will take Biden over him, I will take all these different people over him, because I don't want another round of Biden and the communist regime that you're talking about there.
	And so that's where, that's kind of where, you know, I think, where I come from.
	But that's exactly what we're going to have.
	Because if we, if we allow for them to deprive Donald Trump of the nomination, We are signing off our seal of approval for a rigged election.
	So I'm not going to vote in the 2024 general election unless Donald Trump is nominated.
	And I, I, I am, I might seem like an extreme standpoint to have, but I just cannot.
	It's just a matter of principle for me.
	I cannot allow for a stolen election to be forgotten.
	Because if we allow them to get away with what they did to Donald Trump, they are going to do it to all of us.
	And 2024, above anything else, is about retribution.
	It is about reclaiming what was taken from us.
	It is about restoring our power structure as we, the people, in the United States of America.
	And as Donald Trump says, the only thing standing between us and them is Donald Trump.
	I view every single GOP candidate who's running against Donald Trump as a Democrat.
	Because if you're not willing to take a stand against the weaponization of government against Donald Trump, when everybody knows the election was stolen, everybody knows that it's a witch hunt, everybody knows that it's an abuse of power and a two-tiered justice system in a banana republic, then you're a Democrat.
	Oh, we're going to go after the weaponization of government, but his entire political strategy for winning the 2024 GOP nomination is, oh, Donald Trump's going to be indicted and go to jail, and then the pathway's going to be cleared.
	That's a coward!
	That is what you call a coward.
	I'm just really passionate about this because I just love Donald Trump so much.
	I just feel it's not just about Donald Trump, it's about all of us.
	And maybe it's because I have been targeted the same way that Donald Trump has.
	And literally, like, the same judges who went after Donald Trump have gone after me politically.
	I just feel like it's a personal attack on me, you know?
	Like, I feel personally victimized by Ron DeSantis, by him running against Donald Trump, because I feel like it's an affront on election integrity, and I feel like it's an affront on all of the Americans, the 81 million Americans who had their votes defiled and robbed, you know?
	Shouldn't we just laugh in the face and Donald Trump gives me hope, and Donald Trump is the only thing that is going to give so many people in this country who are feeling a sense of hopelessness a purpose, right, for their future.
	And I really do, I know it sounds a little dramatic, but I think 2024 is it.
	I think we really are a failed empire.
	Donald Trump doesn't get back in it.
	Even then, he's only going to be able to buy us a little bit more time, because our society has a cancer, okay?
	It is like a necrosis.
	And we are rotten from within, and we have societal decay, okay?
	And it has permeated and infiltrated every single institution in our country, especially our election.
	And, you know, we're not going to have much more time left in this country, but I want to enjoy it with somebody like Donald Trump as I do.
	I think one of the biggest missteps of Ron DeSantis' campaign has been the fact that they have not been out, you know, campaigning and protesting when he's getting indicted and not standing behind Donald Trump during that time.
	I think that that's something that is a huge miscalculation by their campaign and all the other campaigns as well.
	Because, like you said, if it happens to Donald Trump, why do you think it's not going to happen to you?
	Why are we not investing all this money into changing the laws, into doing all these different things that we can actually win an election when it comes to 2024, no matter who the candidate is?
	We're having some fun here, but I do want to open it up to questions now, and I know that you've got all kinds of things, so if we have a question, anyone wants to kick it off?
	I have a question.
	Have you become a member yet?
	I have a question, yeah.
	It's been a long time.
	So, have you told the story of Peter or her brother?
	Flory?
	You know Flory?
	Do you have Ari?
	Yeah, she talks about all this stuff.
	My partner, he, what was his real name?
	She talks kind of like, just like you, so I thought you might know him.
	Yeah, I know Tori.
	Yeah, so I just wanted to know if you've met her.
	I've met her for several years.
	She speaks the truth, she has long throat.
	I've been on so many platforms for a long time.
	She was on Grounder or whatever, and she would be blocked because she couldn't, like, say anything.
	Yeah, I remember that.
	She had a video show.
	Yeah, so I was just, like, in panic.
	Yeah, I remember.
	They always get blocked because they tell the truth.
	I remember back in 2017 or so.
	Did you ever try writing under a ghostwriter or a pen name?
	Did I ever try writing under a ghost name?
	It was kind of tricky for me because I'm involved in litigation.
	I have an active Reno case right now.
	I guess Twitter, Facebook, and I had a case against Twitter, Facebook, Google, and Apple that actually went all the way to the Supreme Court.
	And so during that time, of course, I wasn't able to have any fake accounts, and none of them ever had any fake accounts.
	But, you know, the cancel culture environment is very prevalent.
	I guess you could say, in and the right, in the right, in the movement.
	Even though I approached certain conservative networks and I said, hey, I could write under a ghost name if your issue is just the association with me, some of them were just so terrified of anyone ever finding out that they said no.
	So it was very difficult, because I really wasn't able, and Ed's laughing in the back because he knows.
	I've known Ed for years, and I'm very slow to get out, and I'm part of my production team.
	And, you know, people, even thinkers, people that preach every single day about, oh, I'm so against cancel culture, right?
	They're scared.
	They're scared of the ball coming from left, and that's the problem, right?
	Because you have so many people in common, because I like to say that talk about how there's so many times cancel culture, but I would say that I think I've been canceled more by the right than the left.
	Sure, the left, like, they ban me on social media, but Republicans didn't even speak up for me when I ran for Congress when I was an official America First candidate on the ballot.
	They don't even fight for me.
	The Republican Party of Florida, when I won my election in 2020, and I was on the general election ballot, they called every single candidate who had won their primary to make them see how they could support them except for me.
	Do you wonder if you're sabotaging or perhaps this is true?
	Well, I think that they lied about me, right?
	When they said that I was some Anti-Muslim, Neo-Nazi, White Supremacist, right?
	That didn't help.
	It doesn't help that my way-to-keep-it-right page reads worse than those serial killers.
	I mean, there are serial killers who have... There are serial killers with fan clubs.
	Like, these serial killers get nice spaniel, you know?
	They get nice spaniel in jail.
	Some, but, you know, like, they have fan clubs that come and protest for them.
	And, you know, some people have, you know, written the United States mail and all, but it would have been nice to have some diehard scams when I was running for Congress who would have, you know, protested.
	And there were some people, like I said, there were tons of volunteers who, of course, did our party in voters and expressed support.
	But I can't really think of many people in the actual official Republican Party apparatus that there are just some questions about me because they believe lies.
	They think I'm an Aussie even though I'm Jewish.
	They think I'm a Muslim.
	Being against Sharia and calling for evil and human rights and being against the law of the nation of our country doesn't make me a Muslim leader.
	I don't take Muslims.
	I am against Islam, because Islam is incompatible with Western Civilization, and tenets within Islam, okay, are incompatible with Western Civilization and the United States Constitution, which was derived from the Bible.
	And of course, when you have an ideology, like Islam, that is calling for Uh, literally, the murder of non-Muslims, okay?
	Christians, Jews, or anybody that doesn't want to submit or convert.
	That's incompatible.
	It's just incompatible with what we stand for as a society.
	And we should be able to have these conversations without having our entire lives destroyed.
	I'm glad we're doing this at Rumble, because we would've, uh, canceled on you.
	Yeah!
	I mean, it's just one of those things, and, uh, I ran for Congress for that reason, because You know, it's sad when you see the Republican Party talk about how they care about free speech, but they won't even fight for a candidate that worked their ass off, okay, and secured a spot on the ballot.
	Regardless of what they think about me, it's not about me.
	It's about allowing for the voters of Florida to have their fair decision.
	Right?
	To have their fair choice.
	And that's why I now find myself working more against the Republican Party than the Democrats, because they're subversive.
	There's a version to our America First Freedom Agenda.
	Do we have a question over here?
	You know, we talk about punch and write, and how it can be beneficial, but it also can be divisive.
	So when you're saying that anybody who is running against Trump, essentially running as a Democrat, I find it very hard when everyone at Turning Point, for example, saw Weibach, all his numbers popped up.
	And to call Weibach a Democrat is not even a stretch, it's just, quite frankly, blasphemy.
	So what I'm saying is, if we all want to vote for who we want to vote for, and I'm not putting my name out for anybody at this point, but what I'm saying is, if we're going to vote for who we want to vote for, those candidates also have that same right to go and run.
	So why don't we have, why shouldn't we hear them?
	Yeah.
	Look, what I'm saying is that it's not that they're Democrats simply for running against Trump.
	What I'm saying is that if they're not going to speak out against the weaponization of government that's happening against Donald Trump, and whether they're going to simultaneously run against him, then I know better than a Democrat.
	I have been very vocal in my collaboration group that I actually interviewed him at the courthouse, in front of the Miami courthouse, where I organized the rally in support of President Trump, and I said, you know, this is my problem with Protestantism.
	Even if a vet said it too.
	I said, look, I don't think you're going to win, Vivek, but I think that it's admirable that you're out here, because at least you're taking a stand.
	And I don't have a problem.
	People want to run against Donald Trump.
	It's a free country.
	You can run in any election.
	But it's a problem, right?
	We're not going to stand for those kind of issues, because he's running against the man he owes his entire political career to, and he's so... In a game of boxing, or maybe it's a thirst, right?
	His thirst and his desire for political power supersedes His desire for justice and equal application of the law.
	And so, if you go back, you have a guy who's ambitious, okay?
	He's almost a billionaire, from my understanding.
	He's certainly got enough money to sell finances and campaign, but he has enough political integrity and he's put principle over politics, right?
	So he knows that, yeah, if he's running against Donald Trump, who's technically his opponent, but at the same time, he's going to have the integrity to speak out against a weaponized government.
	So, if you're not going to do that, then yeah, you're like a Democrat.
	That's all I'm trying to say, except maybe I should have clarified it better, is that if you're not going to see the audience, what ways do you think the government can simultaneously run?
	Ron, then you're a little better in the never-gown.
	- Yeah, yeah. - Amen. - I'm very on record for hating my man. - Thank you.
	I think he's trying to be the NIH director so he can go and protect everybody from Pfizer and protect all of his investors.
	And I think, honestly, I think he's there as a big pharma shield and I think that's actually the reason he's running.
	But I'm not going to go too far.
	I think that's exactly what everybody should have been doing, and again it's a big misstep by all the other candidates.
	But I'm going to keep moving over here.
	that had the balls to stand in front of the courthouse, in front of the-- - And that's what I think, I think that's exactly what everybody should have been doing.
	I think, again, that's a big mistake by all the other female teams.
	But I'm gonna keep moving over here, Danielle, you have a question for us, do you want?
	Give me a mic, so you want. - Woo, Danielle!
	Hi!
	So I just want to address your beef with Casey, or as you call her, Jill DeSantis.
	Back in May, you had stated that she, quote, claims she had cancer, but you've never seen the medical records.
	And I know you followed it up by saying that you never said she faked it, but you just think it was grossly overstated.
	But by saying that she claims it, you kind of are alleging that you think she faked it.
	So I was just wondering what your thoughts are on that.
	Yeah!
	So, uh, first of all, I stand by everything I said.
	And, uh, I don't apologize for any comments that I've made.
	I don't care who it offends.
	I called her Jill because her maiden name is Jill Black.
	It's Jill A.T.
	Black, and I'm gonna call her Abigail Angel DeSantis.
	And, uh, maybe she doesn't like the fact that she shares the same name as Joe Biden's wife.
	I don't know.
	But, uh, the fact of the matter is that technically everything I said is true.
	It isn't like, when you make a statement that's a thing, And I have not seen her medical records, and so I don't really know if it was stage 4 cancer or not.
	I'm not saying that she's AIDS or cancer, but I do find it to be rather distasteful to, uh, run political ads in an attempt to, what I say is, in an attempt to get a sympathy vote.
	And I know I received a lot of heat for this.
	I'm not going to apologize for what I said.
	If people want to get offended with me, that's their problem, not mine.
	But the fact of the matter is, is Your medical diagnosis should be between you and your doctor, and I don't really... If she doesn't really have cancer, I don't understand why it needs to be brought up on the campaign trail, unless it's like... a political prop for the sake of, you know, helping get female suburban widows for her husband's failing presidential campaign.
	It's distasteful, and I would say that if they're not focused on her health, and if they're not concerned about, uh, you know, her... I'm not saying that...
	Well, she seems to be fine now, right?
	She doesn't have cancer anymore, but if it's that big of an issue, then maybe he should've, you know, weighed his priorities.
	He ran for governor, even though he always knew that he wasn't going to run or keep his second term.
	He wanted to be president.
	So, why didn't Ron DeSantis stay home and take care of his wife who had cancer and not run for governor?
	It's not like he really wanted to do the job anyway, and he wants to be honest.
	He doesn't have an absentee governor, right?
	So, he could've run for president and taken care of his wife.
	But, um, I don't know, I just think it's just hateful and gross, so, you know, whatever.
	My question to you is this.
	You said that most or a lot of your censorship comes from people on the right, right?
	Obviously we've seen people like TPUSA leaders, deep platform conservatives like you, other conservatives too, like American First leaders and whatnot.
	My question is to you, is who do we trust?
	And how do we gatekeep and prevent these people from taking over our institutions so that we're not having these conversations here today?
	That's a really good question, and look, I mean, who people are going to trust depends on what their viewpoints are, because not everybody shares, not everybody on the right has the same viewpoints, right?
	Not everybody would classify themselves as the same type of conservative, right?
	So I would say that I'm more of a nationalist, right, populist, constitutional conservative, whereas a lot of the people at TPUSA and in the establishment GOP class are more neoconservative, okay?
	And they fall into the Unicarty category.
	And so, um, I just encourage people to really, uh, seek out their own information and to try to meet people themselves and see all viewpoints before they just regurgitate things that are four steps in on Fox News.
	You definitely can't trust Fox News.
	You definitely can't trust any of the mainstream media.
	I- I like- I like alternative media.
	I'm a journalist.
	I do my- Yeah!
	I do my own research, but, you know, there's a lot of alternative media platforms now that are popping up as a result of this.
	Um, anti-censorship movement.
	And, um, it's really up to everybody to seek out their own information, but because we live in a misinformation culture now, where it's so easy to just push information out, it's very important for people to verify that.
	So, coming out tonight, listening to talks for yourself, or, you know, digging into reports, learn some investigative skills, right?
	It can be a hobby.
	You can also learn how to read these NBC reports, or, you know, do some investigative work on the side yourself, because Even though the Republican Party sometimes tells you things that doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
	For example, the Republicans recently said, oh, we defunded the 87,000 IRS agents, right?
	And that's parroted by all the right-wing networks because they don't want to piss off McCarthy or lose access to these certain congressional candidates.
	But it's not true.
	They didn't defund the 87,000 IRS agents, right?
	They did it just like so much of what they say isn't true, and I think that the Republican Party is as much of a purveyor of fake news as the Democrat Party, and that's the crisis that we're living in today.
	We are really letting the information war is Alice Jones to this day, and it's up to all of us who are in this unit party.
	D.C. Gringo!
	D.C. Gringo!
	Yeah, if you're listeners that are online don't know that the last endorsement that we did before this one was just anybody but McCarthy and anybody but McConnell as well. - I don't think we had a good stuff.
	So we did try our hardest.
	It didn't really mean anything during the arguments that we had.
	We have two more questions over here.
	I'm going to come this way.
	I would say for most of us who are either split Trump or DeSantis, I don't think it's because we don't like either of them.
	I think we all think that they have good policies.
	It's more of a question as to who could probably win.
	And so my concern, I know most of us think that there was some type of shenanigans in the last election.
	So my concern for Donald Trump is, what's his plan to make sure that it's not Reagan again?
	So what would you say is his plan?
	Great question.
	Well, look.
	The Republican Party, I'll just be honest with you, this is more than just Donald Trump.
	After 2020, as I said in the very beginning of my, uh, you know, this back and forth around here, they didn't do anything.
	They haven't filed a single lawsuit to address the stolen election.
	They haven't done anything to sue any of the big tech social media companies.
	So really, what has the Republican Party done?
	What has Ronald Romney done?
	What has Kevin McCarthy done?
	What has, um, Ms.
	McConnell done absolutely nothing, right?
	And so it's pretty difficult when you think about it because we really honestly haven't done anything to change the situation that we found ourselves in in 2020 with all of this mail-in ballot fraud.
	And so, really, ultimately, I think that now that everybody's like really hypersensitive to voter fraud, there's going to be people that are more aware and they're more aware about the big tech social media censorship as well.
	The fact of the matter is, is the Republican Party hasn't dropped a ball.
	And that's not Donald Trump's fault.
	Donald Trump is a candidate, just like Donald Trump is a candidate, or even better, any of these other candidates, but the Republican Party apparatus is behind.
	They are behind, and we've seen this on a national level, where, you know, we should have been having conversations about ballot harvesting techniques two years ago.
	Right?
	We should have been having conversations two years ago about who was going to be Speaker of the House as opposed to Kevin McCarthy.
	And we have all these state GOPs, like I pointed out, changing the rules as well, and we still have parades of tax censorship.
	I mean, look, Elon Musk purchased Twitter.
	That's great and all, but there's still the issue of Facebook and Instagram and all the payment processors and the search engine manipulation as well.
	Not much has changed.
	So, um, With regards to Donald Trump, the poll numbers show that he is skyrocketing every single time he faces another indictment.
	So this idea that, oh, well, he can't beat Biden because, you know, he has too many legal issues.
	Every single time Donald Trump is indicted or faced with another witch hunt or more legal shenanigans, he shouldn't go to the polls another 10 points.
	And I think that the more that they persecute him, the more the average American realizes, oh my God, they can get away with doing this to Donald Trump.
	They can get away with doing this to me.
	And I think that we have to really capitalize off of that energy going into 2024 because it's something that Independents, Democrats, people who are not political at all, Republicans can relate to.
	The feeling of what it's like to be targeted.
	What it's like to be victimized by the federal government.
	Everybody knows what it feels like to be trapped in a situation that is unfair.
	And we have to capitalize off of the spirit of retribution and injustice that all Americans are feeling.
	And that is a feeling and an emotion that transcends political lines.
	Thank you.
	Something that one of the supervisors of elections said of a fairly prominent state is to me that every single election they end up with five lawsuits like six months before the election from like the League of Women Voters and the Democrats and all that kind of stuff.
	So to exactly what your point is, it is the party's job, it is Robert McDaniel's job and all these different people's job to be filing these lawsuits because we're changing And I'll say too, you know, people always say, oh, you know, you're so far up Donald Trump's ass, you know, you never, you never criticize him.
	Look, I'll say point blank tonight.
	I hate Kevin McCarthy.
	I can't stand Ronna Romney.
	And we're not doing any of it.
	From what I see, we don't have the apparatus to do it.
	And I'll say too, people always say, oh, you're so far up Donald Trump's ass.
	You never criticize him.
	Look, I'll say point blank tonight.
	I hate Kevin McCarthy.
	I can't stand Ronna Romney.
	And I was one of the most vocal opponents of Ronna Romney and the McLeadership, as I call it.
	And I don't like the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Kevin McCarthy and the fact that he endorsed Ronna Romney.
	I don't!
	And so, just because I support Donald Trump doesn't mean that I agree with every single decision that he's made.
	But I do know that despite his flaws, and every single human being has flaws, nobody's perfect, But what do you do to drive trust apart?
	But despite Donald Trump's flaws, I know that he is the right man for the job.
	He is.
	What do you do to try to trust him?
	Tell him how you use that flashpoint to create trust in him.
	Trust in the party.
	Trust in the party.
	Well, I think that people don't have trust in the party, which is another reason why, you know, the choice for Trump is so clear, right?
	That's the reason why Donald Trump is the only choice, as far as I'm concerned, for 2024, because he's a populist.
	I agree, but the dollarization.
	Yeah.
	What do you mean a dollar?
	Well, you have to drive home, right, the understanding that, yeah, the media likes to pit us all against each other, left and right, Democrat, Republican.
	But at the end of the day, aren't we all fighting the same thing?
	Aren't we all just Americans who are sick and tired of not being represented adequately?
	Screwed over by the Uniparty.
	We all want term limits, okay?
	We all want adequate representation, but it seems like whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, these incumbent politicians are just screwing us over.
	And, you know, they're getting away with insider trading.
	And the only person that revitalized this spirit, this revolutionary spirit, against the uniparty establishment in our country was Donald Trump and his populist message.
	And you see Bernie Sanders is similar, right?
	But they stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders in 2016 as well.
	And so Donald Trump is the leader of the Republican Party.
	But Donald Trump is so much bigger than the Republican Party.
	And the thing that he did not do his first term, that we absolutely need to make sure happens this second term when he is reinstated as the 47th President of the United States, is we need to capitalize on his energy and his brand to do away with the uniparty structure And I am an advocate for, perhaps, a third party.
	A stronger third party that is truly representative of the American people, or a hostile takeover.
	An America First hostile takeover of the Republican Party.
	We need a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.
	- I'm just trying to get as many questions as I can, so if you guys can refrain from asking questions, if you've already asked them, I got one from Gary over here. - Hey, what's up?
	So as fellow alumni of a previous organization, we know the power that a literal camera and a few seconds of footage can get.
	What are some organizations, and or fellow influencers that you know, where a former boss only said that, you know what, not everyone can get in the trenches, but we can donate and support those that are in the trenches.
	Aside from our former bosses and stuff like that, who are some of your favorite people that you would recommend some of us chip in five bucks to a judicial watch or some of those types of guys?
	Who are your favorites?
	I don't know.
	I don't really like anybody.
	No, there's a few people I like.
	Honestly, I think Anna Paulina's doing a good job.
	do you like I don't know I don't really like anybody no there's a few people I like I think honestly I think in a Paulina is doing a good job I do This is her district, right?
	Well, not technically, but she has a TV wire on her.
	You know, I was skeptical at first, but I am surprised.
	I'm surprised that, you know, she opposed Kevin McCarthy.
	And I will say that what she did by censoring Adam Schiff was great.
	So, attagirl, right?
	Attagirl.
	I like Congressman Paul Gosar.
	Like I said, my list is pretty short.
	I really don't like a lot of people in Congress.
	I don't like a lot of politicians.
	What was that about the journalists and everybody else's influence?
	Definitely James O'Keefe.
	You know, Project Veritas had their coup, so now it's OMG Media, so I would support him.
	Roger Stone as well.
	I think InfoWars is great as well.
	Yeah, there's a lot of independent content creators now, and the great part about it is you don't have to pay for cable.
	So if you're paying $85 a month for cable, if you were to chip in $5 per month instead of $85 per month, you could select so many content creators to support each month.
	You could support my work with my Substack, lauraleamer.substack.com.
	It's free, but you can sign up for a paid subscription.
	And you get all of your own content, and that way you're able to pick and choose what you want to see online.
	There's a lot of people.
	There's a lot of people to support out there and I would just encourage people to explore, you know, see what you like and go online and read substacks and support.
	I don't really like telling people what to do, but I will tell them, you know, just go, just go, believe it or not.
	Just go, just go search it out yourself, right?
	Spend some time to really investigate who these people are.
	I'll do one last question if we have on the radar.
	Carly?
	So I know we kind of covered it, but how does Trump get reelected if we have any other party?
	He will not want to fight.
	We don't have election integrity.
	Yeah.
	Look, these are all good questions, right?
	But she asked, for those of you who didn't hear, the question is, how does Trump get elected?
	Trump, so they know what they're doing.
	But it's going to be up to us, really.
	We are going to have to be the driving force.
	We're going to have to be out here every single day making the case for Donald Trump.
	And a lot of people think I'm picked by the Trump campaign.
	I'm not.
	I drove up here on my own dime.
	I'm not getting picked to be here tonight, which is fine with me because I love Donald Trump dearly and I'm happy to be here to make the case for him.
	But we all can be doing things like this, right?
	And it's going to take sacrifice.
	We all are going to have to Get the message out and sift through the propaganda and make sure people understand that this is it.
	This is really it for our country.
	If you want to have a future for yourself, your children, your grandchildren, if you want to actually have a country that's... I mean, it's kind of a joke, right, to call ourselves a free country.
	We don't really have freedom in this country anymore, okay?
	We don't have freedom of association, no free and fair elections, no free speech.
	Okay, so we are in a crisis.
	It's a constitutional crisis.
	And if people don't step up, then that's it.
	Take the camera.
	Start calling out politicians.
	Do what I do.
	That's what I say.
	You gotta punch back.
	Not physically, but politically speaking, of course.
	You have to push back, and sometimes that requires you to find yourself in uncomfortable situations, and you're not gonna make a lot of friends.
	I'm not here to make friends.
	I'm not here to go to their stupid little, you know, Florida GOP Christmas parties and hang out with them at their country clubs.
	I know they all hate me, and I feel like it's meaningful.
	Trust me.
	But I'm here to fight for the American people and to stick with the truth, and that requires us to call out both sides of the aisle, not just the Democrats.
	Because we are not going to be able to surpass the Democrats and take our country back and destroy this illegitimate regime unless we dismantle the corruption and take out the trash in our own party first.
	Amen!
	I appreciate all the questions.
	We've probably gone about an hour, hour and a half or so, so I know it's probably exhausting after a while.
	She's going to hang out and talk with you guys afterwards as well if you still have questions.
	But I want you to also let everybody know where they can follow you, let everybody know where they can get information, everything in about your book, and we do have our sale as well, and some t-shirts, things like that. - Yeah, so I just wanna thank everybody I hope you all enjoyed it.
	I hope I changed some of your audience about Donald Trump.
	I really do.
	I just want to thank you for joining us for the amazing tonight.
	I hope that some of you who were preferring Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump either rescind your endorsement or have second thoughts now, right?
	And, um, people can follow me, you know, I'm back on Twitter, at Laura Loomer.
	You can follow me on Getter, through socialgap, at Laura Loomer as well.
	And then my sub stack, right?
	One way you can support my investigative journalism is, um, subscribing.
	It's free, but you support my work by paying for a subscription if you want for, uh, $7 per month.
	But I make it free because I believe that everybody has a right to information, regardless of whether they can afford to pay.
	And I don't like the concept of pinball content, so, you know, if people are happy, they can upgrade.
	I also wrote a book.
	It's called Loomer and How I Became the Most Manful Woman in the World.
	I have some copies here.
	I'm selling them for $30.
	I can sign them.
	And if I run out, you can also get a copy on my website and I'll ship it to you.
	Sign.
	And then if you're like me and you truly believe that Donald Trump did nothing wrong, you can get your own Donald Trump did nothing wrong t-shirt in the back as well.
	And that goes towards all those smiles that I generate from selling those shirts go towards my pro-Trump activism.
	And I travel all over the country as you've probably seen confronting people, holding rallies, and, you know, doing the best we can with journalism.
	But I want to say thank you for having the courage to invite me on.
	- I think that there are a lot of people within our own party who do not want you platformed, and they consider this platforming, even though it's your own live stream, but they consider this platforming, and so we wanna make sure that we have an environment-- even though it's your own live stream, but they consider this We're not talking about, like I said. - We're not talking about. - That's right, but I'm happy you came out, I'm not in this conversation, Welcome back anytime.
	The last thing I will plug is that if you are watching live on HorrorStream, then get involved.
	If you're in Tampa, come to the Tampa Bay Young Republicans Club.
	We meet once a month here.
	Or for us, we decide to meet Josh Brooks, whoever it is that we're doing that with.
	And if you're somewhere else in the country, get involved with your Young Republicans Club, because a lot of people don't know that you might be in a rural area out in Idaho or something like that, right?
	And your club, you don't have a club out there and everything, but we took this organization from like five people in 2018.
	Now it's over 500, we're the second largest in the country, the five people.
	But I do appreciate anyone who's watching Again, please get involved with your young Republicans organizations.
	A lot of them are, you know, all over the country.
	They don't get one started.
	They don't have one.
	And then, other than that, I do want to make an announcement.
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