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Feb. 16, 2020 - Liberty Hangout - Kaitlin Bennett
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Kaitlin Bennett Changes Hearts and Minds
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That's an amazing story.
You were able to overcome that.
You're in college, and one day we'll sure we'll hear about you in the headlines because you're gonna make something out of yourselves.
Don't let someone else's view of you bring you down to where you don't rise above it.
Imagine if I did that.
So many people hate me.
Imagine if I did that.
Your situation's a lot worse than whatever I go through.
But you're still here today.
I'm still here today.
You deserve to live.
You always deserve to live from the moment you were conceived.
And I'm glad you're here.
I'm very strong in my beliefs and my convictions, I really love what I believe in, and I know that I'm right.
So this doesn't bother me.
I mean because I believe that I'm right.
I don't agree with that.
You said that you know you're right because it is your personal set of beliefs.
So like I'm not gonna say that my personal set of beliefs are right just because I believe in it.
So I think that that may be something that people do get a little annoyed with you with because you do sometimes say that, like, oh my beliefs are like the right way, like you would be able to do that.
Well that's why they're my beliefs, because I do believe they are the right way, and I will stand up for them at all costs, and I will never falter from my beliefs.
I 100% know what I believe is right.
It's based on data, it's based on science, and it's based on looking at the society and what I want in a family structure and what I want in a society that lifts people up, holds a family structure together.
Like a family structure, like per se.
Yeah, so I don't think that we should be pushing women into this will sound bad until I say it.
We should not be telling women that it's bad to be a mother.
We shouldn't be telling women that you have to abort your baby to be successful in a career.
Being a mother is the most amazing thing you can be.
You are bringing life into the world, no one else can do that except women.
That's the most important thing we could ever do.
And then we have to have a strong male figure in our lives.
We have to have stable relationships to bring up stable families and stable children.
That's what we need to do.
I just want to say I I respect that.
Um but I was brought up by three very strong women with no strong man in the household, so I don't believe that women have to be somewhere.
Statistically, it is better for a strong male figure to be in the house, but that's not always the case.
I I bet you are absolutely like I said, that's not always the case, but statistically it is better.
So I do support a strong family structure.
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How about you, Joe?
So actually, yes, but that doesn't mean that it's true across the board.
For example, um if you look at the African American community and you compare it to the non-African American community.
For example, if you look at the standard Caucasian man versus a standard African American man at the same age, and then you go up the ladder to look at them at different ages to see how they're progressing, right?
So statistically, African Americans, 75% of them grow up without a father in the home.
Guess what percentage of it end up being incarcerated?
The exact same percentage.
So if you see that when boys are raised without a father, they end up in prison, then you can determine that boys should be raised with a father.
So for especially for boys.
You need cor correlation does prove causation when you look at the same way that the African American was community was doing in the 70s, and then you look at how they're doing now.
And it and in the 70s we have segregate, you know, in the early 60s we had segregation.
They were doing better under segregation family-wise.
And as a community than they are doing now.
My hands are going because they had no rights.
And you said what?
They had no rights.
So so that would that would actually further prove my point because if they had no rights and they were still able to do successfully is that we should go back to segregation.
I'm saying we should go back to having black fathers in the hall.
You can have black fathers in the home, but I mean, not exactly black fathers, but I agree that maybe more uh families on the African American community need to have stronger male role models, but there's also certain things have been a factor like their environment around them, and I'm not saying I'm excuse for it all the time, but that's most why people do end up in jail their environment around them because they're under discrimination under police.
They get caught in type.
I think it I don't remember exactly, but they're much more like we call marijuana.
So disrespectfully that's right.
We're trying to do that.
I'm trying to hear what she's saying, I can't hear what she's saying.
It's okay, it's okay.
Unlike if like a 12-year-old girl is raped, and like what would you say in like that situation if it harms her and the baby?
So well, if she's raped and becomes pregnant, biologically biologically, she is able to have a baby.
So it's uncommon in our culture to say that a 12-year-old can't have a baby.
That happens all the time, and I am not advocating for that to happen at all at all.
But biologically, she is ready.
What makes the 12-year-old's life more important than the life of that unborn child?
Both of their lives are important.
We don't get to get rid of one just to appease the other, and it's so terrible of what happened.
I am not advocating or justifying that at all.
What do you think it's gonna happen to the child's life after they're born?
I think it'll be traumatized.
I think it'll be traumatized, but we do not get to kill people based on traumatization.
But it's not considered a person.
Just because the law just because the law doesn't consider it.
Okay.
So just because the law says something doesn't make it just.
The law once said that we could segregate people based on skin color.
Did it make it right?
Didn't it make it true?
Didn't make it just.
But that still happens though.
What?
Uh discrimination.
I said segregation.
Oh, segregation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So that's you know, that that was once law.
And just because the law doesn't define somebody unborn as a person, doesn't mean it's not true.
So but don't you think the laws should be more direct about what they want?
In the United States.
What do you mean?
So, like, you know how there's a lot of like leeway between like you can interpret different things, right?
Yeah, those are the same.
So, do you think that the law should be more specific?
The law should be that we should abolish abortion, 100%.
Okay.
Yeah, that's what the law should be that we should abolish.
Just because of that law, that all other laws should be very strict and very straightforward.
So all the laws across the entire United States says that you cannot murder someone.
I think we should apply that to unborn persons as well.
They cannot survive without us at certain points.
Does that make them not a baby?
No, but I'm saying that at a certain point, they can't survive on their own.
So even if we ass out here.
So even if the baby were to be born.
I do just want to point out like everybody wants to hear a conversation right now, but that's the drummer guy won't like your f stick.
Shut up!
I think he's surpassed you for being the most hated person on the sick.
So medically around 20, 21 weeks is the point of viability for an unborn child to survive with medical help.
But even if that person, the woman were to give birth to a baby, still needs someone to take care of it.
It can't just not survive on its own.
So are you better off putting it in the adoption system then?
Is that what you're saying?
Adoption is better than killing the baby.
I don't know.
That doesn't mean we should kill it.
That is not even a conversation.
Do you know like your kid that child's life has a high possibility of being ruined once you dump it in the adoption system?
And by dump, I don't mean like you know, get rid of your child, but it's a person.
So don't you think it's likely that it'll be ruined if you kill it.
I think you should let them talk.
Yeah, let me have this conversation.
I appreciate your input.
We can we can tag tape.
Yeah, let the woman talk.
That's exactly what I was gonna say.
So it's a high chance of being ruined by some standards if we put it into adoption.
It has a 100% chance of being ruminant if we abort the baby.
They don't even have a chance.
If they're but how is it getting ruined if it's it's never started?
Exactly.
It's ruined.
Because of the life doesn't even get to start though.
The life did start at conception.
There is genetic material.
The DNA.
How many weeks?
21 weeks, right?
That is when a baby can survive outside of the room with medical help.
Yes, it's still a baby.
A baby is a baby at conception.
They have their own DNA.
There's not gonna be another person like it on earth.
They already have their hair color assigned, their gender is assigned, they already know what their eye color is gonna be.
So doesn't matter.
Your size doesn't matter.
Your size is not determined.
But personally think about it.
I am the one that will have to pay the medical bills, right?
I'm the one that has to pay the medical bills and supply that baby with a place to stay if I want to actually keep it and not give it up for adoption, right?
But the government doesn't necessarily offer welfare enough to support those people.
Because depending on where you fall on the poverty line or if your parents are going to help you or not, then what does that do for you?
So you don't have to rely on the government for all of your help.
There are churches.
Actually, churches make up more for charity than welfare does.
They help more people than the government welfare does.
and I'm just gonna be 100% blunt it's not the government's job to step in and help you when you've made choices they're trying to say I let you talk okay I'm not trying to be rude but I would like to finish my point.
So you shouldn't rely on the government.
The government shouldn't say hey please don't murder your baby we'll give you extra money it's not my job to take care of anybody else's baby.
So welfare relies on stealing from other people through taxation.
No what is what is it's fair share taxes and I pay my I do not pay a fair share.
The taxes I'm gonna pay could buy me a house that's how much I have to pay in taxes that is not fair.
Why isn't that fair?
Because it's my money.
Okay I haven't it's my money I shouldn't have to give it to I shouldn't have to give it to organizations that are government funded that go against my beliefs 100% I should not have to give my money just like you yeah you can let me give you an example.
Would you want your money going to build the wall honestly what the intentions of the wall though like Trump's wall Trump's border wall for immigration.
Yeah would you want your money to go and fund to build that I'm just trying to give you an example.
Logically like there's some actual like plan written out of how it's actually going to support and help the United States and not do like how am I supposed to support this it's not trying to keep my not necessarily keep Mexicans out.
It's more like if it's not officially efficiently stopping immigrants from coming in that are not supposed to be here not saying that every immigrant that's here like should just be removed automatically because like not everybody's gonna be a felon or commit a crime and like honestly most of them just want an opportunity to become an to become a United States citizen that's it.
But I l love that you're talking about immigration I do want to get back to talking about that well I was let me tell you why I brought it up because I'm asking you for an example when we get taxed and we are forced to give our money to the government they didn't distribute it to other programs.
Programs that I don't want to fund I don't want to fund Planned Parenthood I don't want to fund people's education I don't you're being incredibly rude.
We're having a conversation we're having conversation if you want to talk we'll get to you next I don't want to fund Planned Parenthood I don't want to find Medicare for people I don't want to fund education.
I don't want to fund anything for anybody against my will I give to the charities that I want to give to why do you choose to be a United States citizen?
I'm sorry?
Why do you choose to be United States citizen?
Did I choose that?
Were you born here?
Did I choose to be in United citizens to leave the country and renounce your citizenship so you are choosing to be United States citizen.
Yeah I love living in America just because I disagree on the taxation aspect of that you did choose that at this point because it I would disagree with you that I chose to be in a United States citizen.
But at any point you can renounce your citizenship correct I don't want to I'm not sure exactly how it fits into the argument.
Are you trying to say that if I don't what they're asking you I have a very soft voice and when I talk loud it cracks and I sound like I'm going through puberty.
So basically what I'm saying is through taxation when the government takes money from us against our will.
If you don't pay taxes you're gonna go to jail and they're gonna come to your house with guns at gunpoint and make you support what they want you to find.
I give my personal money from my paycheck to charities I support that's how things should be ran.
If you really support free education, you should give your money to a college student to give them a free education.
You shouldn't demand money be taken from other people to fund something that you want.
It is so unethical.
It's so unethical to take from someone else and give it to somebody else.
Yeah.
So let's say so if you don't support abortions would you be willing to at least support free condoms or free birth control to provide people to prevent those abortions.
Again I don't believe in sur so if someone is just buying these condoms and giving them out great am I wanting the government to steal from me and give it to these people Again, taxation is still wrong.
But I would rather be stolen from for condoms and birth control than stolen from to fund areas that have abortions in them and abortions.
Because abortions are funded by the state level, not the federal.
So when they say abortions aren't government funded, they are at the state level.
So you said you didn't exactly like Planned Parenthood, but are you aware that a lot of their services aren't just abortion?
They're also free STD testing and things like risk control, etc.
Like that.
Would it just be that specific funding you wanted to be cut off, or would you want the entire would you want all your funding to start?
All of it because my money should not be stolen to give to anybody else if I don't want it to.
If Planned Parenthood into abortions, because that is the majority of what they do.
That is a majority of what they do.
If someone goes in for an abortion, they're also getting an SCD test, they're getting a pregnancy test, they're getting future birth control and the abortion.
They go in there, the main reason they go in there is for an abortion, but they count it as only a fourth of the reason.
So when they do their statistics, it's like, oh, we don't do a lot of abortions.
They do, but they they really boil it down to a fourth of it and they round that up in their statistics.
But I still think taxation is wrong, no matter what.
But isn't um I correct me if I'm wrong, but I think under the Statute of Liberty it says give me your abortion, give me your child.
And I don't know, to me that's kind of like the foundation of what this country should be about, which is yes, you may not exactly love it, but it should be about helping each other out, letting your neighbor a hand if you want to.
Yeah, but not by force.
Okay.
Yeah.
So that that's it.
Taxation is force, it's theft, it's unethical.
It's not okay to take $20 from you and give it to you because you need lunch today.
The thing, like, for me is like my mom was very and she resented having me.
And I'm sorry, and like that like impacted my life so much, and it's like I don't want other kids to also feel like that, the resentment from their parents and it's like trauma.
Yes, it is emotionally traumatizing.
I'm sorry you went through that experience.
I would not sit here and tell you that you should have been killed instead.
Absolutely not.
You are strong enough to rise above that.
Look at you, you're in college right now.
You're in college, you're gonna make something out of your life.
You are strong enough as a woman, women are very strong.
We are so strong.
We I'm gonna tell you right to your face, you are strong enough to not let that trauma that traumatizing situation weigh you down.
Look at you.
Look at you, yes, that was emotional and that was upsetting.
Look at where you're at now.
That's an amazing story.
You were able to overcome that.
You're in college, and one day we'll sure we'll hear about you in the headlines because you're gonna make something out of yourselves.
Don't let someone else's view of you bring you down to where you don't rise above it.
Imagine if I did that.
So many people hate me.
Imagine if I did that.
Your situation's a lot worse than whatever I go through.
But you're still here today, I'm still here today.
You deserve to live.
You always deserve to live from the moment you were conceived.
And I'm glad you're here.
Thank you for saying that you're glad I'm here.
You're welcome.
Um I think another thing with like the whole abortion argument and what people argue the most about is like scientifically when they think life starts.
And I know that your opinion is that life starts at conception, but um the thing that I've always struggled with is like scientifically when a human can actually live on their own within the womb.
I think it's difficult because like I'm Catholic, so like I am pro-life for myself, but I'm pro-choice for others because I I think it's such a fine line to try and decide whether or not like when life starts scientifically or when life starts for your beliefs.
Okay, so let me give you an example.
If you were driving down the road and a figure came out in front of the road and it looked like a person, would you slam on your brakes so you didn't hit that person?
Yes.
So you would err on the side of safety.
Why don't we do that with unborn children?
Why don't we err on the side of safety and we say, Whoa, okay, we don't know if that's a person in there.
I happen to think it is a person in there, has its own DNA, gender's already been assigned, eye collar, there will never be another human on earth that is like that unborn child that was just conceived.
We should err on the side of safety, regardless, and say we don't know 100%.
Let's not commit a human rights atrocity right now and let this happen.
That's that's what I think.
I think that's most logical.
So then what would you say, like If you saw like this perfect society that you could create, like what would you do for people who don't have the money to have a child, but um like you don't think that they should have that child aborted because it is life?
Like what would you try and put in place for them for people who financially can't and like the current adoption system is a mess.
There are hundreds of thousands of children.
Foster homes too.
And like what would you in like a perfect society, what would you want to happen?
We already have it.
We already have private organizations, and I don't know if you heard my spiel.
I donate hundreds of my own dollars.
You know what I mean?
The churches.
But those aren't helping everyone.
Every that's that's because not everyone seeks out their help.
They want to rely on the government.
They they want to excuse their choices to have an abortion and say I don't have enough help.
If they if they went and sought out the help, it's there.
I'm I'm here right here.
All they send me a message.
Hey, I need help.
I I I need financial help.
I need help with X, Y, and Z. I will not hesitate to post anything on there.
What?
Oh, that's funny.
Is everything okay?
Yeah, it's just the brooms.
The what?
They're holding up the brooms.
Oh the brooms.
So it wasn't a racism.
So why would you let somebody that is so stupid that they would say something so ignorant dictate your behavior in any way?
I'm not letting them detect the same thing.
Because I'm not telling you that's what everyone thinks.
If that's what everyone thinks, they don't want you to go up in this country.
So they don't give you the opportunity.
So then you bust your butt and you show them that you don't care what they think and you become successful.
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