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Oct. 7, 2019 - Liberty Hangout - Kaitlin Bennett
11:15
Without Taxes Swans Will Take Over
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This public park that you're using for your interview?
Mm-hmm.
Gone.
Oh, it would just not exist if it were for the government.
Disappear due to disarray.
The grass would grow up, the swans would take over, they'd be attacking people.
Okay.
Without government, these swans right here would be attacking people.
Thank God the government's controlling them right now, right?
You pay for pest control, so like they are This guy's out here wanting to like kill swans in this park.
So earlier this week, a really cool guy named Bernie Sanders, you guys know who he is.
Okay, right.
You're kind of like, yeah, I know who he is.
He said earlier this week that billionaires should not exist.
They have too much money, they're hoarding the wealth in this country.
Poor people are poor, so they shouldn't exist.
What do you guys think?
Any box?
I agree that the wealth should be distributed a little bit between everyone, because if one person has too much of the pot, then they control a majority.
Okay.
What do you think?
I agree with him.
Okay.
So he wants to tax them within the next 10 years so much that there is not a billionaire left.
That they all have to scale back how much money they have.
In total, within the next 10 years, he would take four trillion dollars from the billionaires in America.
Do you think that's kind of along the lines?
I think it's a little bit more fair.
I think taxes should just be proportional to their income and how much they have and scale it down for people who make less.
So if someone has two billion dollars, what rate should they be taxed at?
Uh like versus someone who makes like what, ten dollars?
It's not not versus, but like if someone has two billion dollars in their bank and that's their wealth, how much of it should we take?
Um maybe like 40% of their earnings give or take.
Okay.
How should we get rid of billionaires in this country?
I don't think they're necessarily a problem that we need to get rid of.
They're not like a pest, but they should use their earnings to help out everyone else a little bit more.
Do you think that maybe we should just let them help people instead of stealing from them?
Because what is taxation?
What are we doing when we tax people?
Stealing isn't like a nice word for that.
It makes it seem like it's almost a crime to do that.
Is it?
Is it a crime to steal?
Using the word stealing for that makes it a little ambiguous.
Well, what's the definition definition of theft?
To take without asking or permission.
What are taxes?
It is like paying your due for living.
The due like everyone is should be required to put forward to help everyone else.
Granted, taxes aren't like ideal, but it's one of the gray things that like you kinda just have to grit your teeth and get through.
Okay.
So if I went up to you and I was like, look, my buddy Mike Miller over there is just he's poor, he has no health care, he's really just down on his look.
Look at him, he's sad.
Look at him, look at him behind you.
He really needs ten dollars.
Can I have it?
Can I just reach into your pocket right now and give him ten dollars?
Because it's your due.
Oh, and that would be a lot better.
Okay.
So it's better if we steal from more people.
On a smaller scale, because that means a lot more people carry the burden.
Okay.
Okay.
Alright, sounds like you're justifying stealing from people to me.
You can call it what you want.
It's okay to steal from people.
If you want to call it stealing, that's your prerogative.
You should look in the camera right now and say stealing money from people.
I do.
No, I'm against taxation.
I don't think anybody should be stolen from, but you think something differently.
Yeah, everyone has their own different political opinions.
Are you willing to look in the camera and say I support stealing from American citizens?
I won't say that, because that's not what I'm saying.
What are you saying?
I believe that everyone should carry part of the burden.
Burden of what?
What what's the burden that we have to carry?
All the extra that happens in this country.
Go on, because I don't so if someone's taxing me at 40% and you say, oh, it's part of the burden you have to carry, I want to know what that burden is.
You're also making in that situation you're making two billion dollars.
So do you expect people that make $10 to pay for what you use and what you like want from this country?
Well, aren't you telling the billionaires?
You want infrastructure, you want products, and you want everything already made and you want upkeep.
So are you not willing to spend some of your profit to gain that upkeep?
Why do I have to give my money?
What why does the government have to take my money in order for those things to happen?
Is the government the only people that can put a slab of concrete on the ground to call it a road?
If the government doesn't take your money, where are they supposed to get their money from?
Good question.
If they don't take my money, where do they get their money from?
They don't get money.
Oh, there we go.
They don't get money because that money is mine.
Then it they shouldn't exist, right?
Then say goodbye to your road upkeep.
Say goodbye to all these public things.
This public park that you're using for your interview?
Gone.
Oh, it would just ex not exist if it were for the government.
Disappear due to disarray.
The grass would grow up, the swans would take over, they'd be attacking people.
Okay.
Without government, these swans right here would be attacking people.
Thank God the government's controlling them right now, right?
You pay for pest control, so like they are.
There's guys out here wanting to like kill swans in this park.
Okay.
Well very ambiguous with your claims.
Said pest control.
I don't see swans as a pest.
You know what I do see as a pest?
Pesting though.
Pest.
I would say the definition of pest to me, because you know it's it can be whatever you want are people who want to steal from me in order to pay for parks.
Let's get rid of the parks.
Why do we need parks to live?
Okay.
We don't need parks.
You want to live in some dreary utopian society with nothing but skyscrapers and brick walls.
Man, I did not know the government is the only reason we have these things.
What do you think, sir?
Do you think the only reason we have nice roads and public parks and pest control and all these great things in the country because the government steals from us through taxation?
Yes.
So we're justifying stealing.
Well, I'm not sure about your definition of stealing.
Well, let's go through it.
What is your definition of stealing?
Um taking something from another person without their consent.
What is taxation?
Um, I think taxation is monies that are taken from us for the benefit of the good of all.
But you're missing that important part without our consent.
I I could agree with that.
Okay.
Are you willing to justify stealing them?
Well, in those simple terms, I mean in that logic, I I suppose so.
Yeah.
Does that make you feel like a bad person?
No, I don't feel like a bad person.
So if I came up and stole from you, if I stole that really nice watch from you, would you would I be a bad person?
What's the public good?
What's the public good out of Medicare for all?
It raises Medicare costs, it raises health care costs, destroys the healthcare industry, destroys our health care profession in general.
What's the public good out of stealing people for Medicare for All?
Um, I I don't know anything about Medicare for all.
Okay.
Yeah.
Is that what costs?
One of the things that that I think about what our tax dollars go to is for example, our national defense.
Okay.
The government's the only person that can protect the country.
Um, in the to the extent that we have the protection that we have?
Yes.
Okay.
Right, well, let me ask you this.
The point of these questions today, and I don't know where the other people went, but is Bernie Sanders, do you know who he is?
He's running for president?
Yes.
Earlier in the week, he said that billionaires just shouldn't exist.
There's too much wealth that they're hoarding.
They need to share.
And as I suspect that if he became a billionaire, he wouldn't be saying that about billionaires.
Maybe he would maybe after he takes all the money from the billionaires, he'll just house them in his you know, three mansions that he has, right?
Yes, exactly.
Okay.
So what do you think about that?
Should should we tax billionaires to the point that they no longer have billions of dollars?
Uh no.
Okay.
I mean, no different than the money that I've earned.
Yeah.
They've earned it as well.
I don't think we should penalize them, if you will, for uh for them being prosperous or them being industrious.
No different than um, you know, my earnings.
Okay.
So maybe you don't support taxation all that much.
To some degree, yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Alright.
Well, thank you for your time.
Thank you, and I love your program.
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