Harry introduces Josh and Stelios, discussing Hungary's election where Peter Magyar's Tissa party ousted Viktor Orban after 16 years, ending a regime that blocked 35 billion euros in EU funds. The hosts analyze the "woke is dead" debate, contrasting The Boys' nihilism with True Detective's moral clarity, while noting an Israeli actor's controversial casting as Frenchie. They then investigate a £40,000 Kit Kat heist involving 413,793 bars stolen between Italy and Poland, suggesting criminals use chocolate to smuggle contraband, before addressing BBC editorial guidelines on Ukraine's invasion terminology. Ultimately, the episode blends political shifts with cultural critiques and bizarre crimes to explore modern societal fractures. [Automatically generated summary]
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Peter Magyar and Corruption00:15:02
Good afternoon, and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, episode 1396.
I'm your host, Harry, not exhausted today, joined by Josh.
Who I'm actually very well rested for a change.
Glad to hear it.
And Stelios, who was a splitter and didn't even come to the event on the weekend.
I told you, man, I had to be somewhere.
Had to be somewhere.
Had to do some Mission Impossible hijinks somewhere.
Tom Cruise in the flesh.
Maybe something related to Kit Kat.
Stelios, I've noticed you have a lot of Kit Kats in your pocket at the minute.
Don't stop noticing, Josh.
Well, we'll get more into that along with the.
Why do you notice?
When today we'll be discussing Hungary's election and the implications of Orban's defeat.
Will it be positive?
Will it be negative?
Is this going to crush Europe?
How will this change Europe?
Very interested to find out.
I'm going to be asking whether Woke is dead or simply lying in wait, given some of the recent developments with shows like Malcolm in the Middle, Euphoria, and The Boys, which has had quite a catastrophic turn against it quite recently.
And Stelios is going to tell us how 12 tons of Kit Kat simply vanishes.
Yeah.
I'm very excited.
Now we know what you're up to at the weekend.
I had to hide them in my belly.
We'll talk about that because I'll talk to you about the merchandise analytically.
Oh, all right.
This is going to be a very serious podcast and very serious segments.
So let's get straight into it.
So, the person you're looking at on screen at the minute is Viktor Orban, and his party Fidesz had been in power for the past 16 years.
He'd won four consecutive elections since 2010, and now he's lost power to the new Tissa party, which only popped up about two years ago.
And this election is actually significant not just for Hungary, considering this is a pretty significant change.
You know, the same party has been ruling for 16 years, but the rest of Europe, because the person who's taking over from him is going to be much more.
Pro European, but with some caveats.
There's actually a lot of nuance here that lots and lots of people have missed.
And thankfully, last month I spent a week in Hungary on a press tour.
And so I got to meet lots of government ministers and talk to lots of people, think tanks, and just people on the street to figure out what they thought.
And it's given me a very good impression of people's attitudes in the country, I would like to think, and given me a bit more of a nuanced view than some of the slop I have seen online that is saying, You know, it's over.
It's terrible.
Hungary has fallen.
Yes, and things like that.
Not just Hungary, the West has fallen.
And what, the fifth time now?
You would expect now that, you know, it's someone like Kamala at best, if you just check X.
Oh, it's so disproportionate.
So, yes, obviously, Orban's been a notable opponent of the EU's agenda for some time.
And the newly elected Peter Magyar was originally in Orban's party.
And in many areas, he seems to at least outwardly hold the same opinions and positions.
And we'll have to look at it with a bit of nuance before untangling it.
But he's certainly more favorable towards working with the EU.
And considering Orban's government was a bit of a thorn in the side of the EU.
It will make things easier for the EU to do what it wants, which I think, from the perspective of the right, that's not necessarily a good thing.
And so there are some important distinctions here because Hungary was blocking many of the excesses, like the EU wants to throw lots and lots of money at Ukraine that Orban was blocking, for example.
But we'll get to all of this later.
I just wanted to talk about what Orban had done in his past 16 years.
There has been no mass migration to Hungary.
I've got an article talking about this that's going to be coming out on the website soon.
But it's very noticeable in the capital.
You feel safe.
There's basically just Europeans in the capital.
I saw maybe two people who weren't European who were on bicycles delivering food.
And I asked about this.
And this was they have a temporary visa scheme whereby they can only be there for one or two years and then they get sent home with no exceptions.
It's not a route to citizenship.
And I've actually heard that Peter Magyar, the guy who's going to become prime minister, has pushed back against even this, which I think is a good idea.
Whether he can do that or not is a different thing.
Well, I mean, what you were talking about there, the two greatest signs of the effects and penetration of mass migration into any country, or at least the starting signs of it, should be really recognized as the delivery drivers and corner shops as well.
I did see one or two African food shops and a Turkish barber, but it was very limited.
So it wasn't to the point where it pervades every aspect of society, like in Britain, but it was present and it did suggest that more action is needed, in my mind.
One thing that has been done, though, is I was told by the person in charge of the border that they had blocked over a million illegals in the past seven years at their border because they just do not let people in.
And the EU is very much against this.
In fact, Hungary has refused the EU's refugee settlement scheme and they're fined 1 million euros a day for this by the EU.
And it's deducted from some of the money that they would otherwise receive.
And if Magyar wants to get favorable relations with the EU, this is obviously going to be something that they're going to try and push on them.
However, they do have, I think, about 65,000 Ukrainians because they border Ukraine, but also they don't give weapons to Ukraine, they just give aid because actually the Ukrainians have been basically persecuting the Hungarian minority because there's a large Hungarian diaspora.
Because after World War I, the Treaty of Trianon, imposed on the opposing side by the Allies, gave about two thirds of the country's territory to surrounding countries, and that included some.
Hungarians in Ukraine and the same legislation that persecuted the ethnic Russians in Ukraine either intentionally or most likely unintentionally affected the Hungarians as well.
And the Fidesz party and many Hungarians as well are quite interested in reuniting with their diaspora because obviously there's lots of Hungarians outside of their borders.
And in fact, one thing that they've been very good at is having special routes to citizenship for ethnic Hungarians.
And so actually they've seen more Hungarians coming into the country.
Than have been leaving.
And so they see this as not only a way to grow the population without having to rely on mass migration, but there are also some other things I'll get into.
But sorry, Stony, I'll sign.
I just wanted to say that this is the Hungarian perspective on this, or Orban's perspective on this, because if you listen to other people from their neighboring countries, like the Romanians, they're constantly saying, well, there is a Hungarian minority here, and we are fine.
And just Orban constantly comes along and says how we are oppressing them.
So, not just throwing that out the mix as well.
There might be, you know, some degree of exaggerating it for political ends, but I think the Romanians are a little bit better than the Ukrainians dealing with their minority.
And I know that the Poles, especially, they're very favorable with Hungary and they've got a sort of positive relationship with one another.
But yes, they also have things like tax breaks and loans to encourage families to have children.
So, if you have four children by the age of 40 and you're a woman, you'll never have to pay tax again.
And also, they give loans that are equivalent to about, I think, 25,000 euros to buy basically your first home to raise a family.
And there's been noticeable effects on the birth rate, as well as the fact that I think that this helps.
I think this is one way to approach the problem, and it's certainly better than our situation in Britain, but I think there are also other ways.
I think it's probably better just to reduce the cost of living as much as possible and let people pay their own way through things rather than having to redistribute money.
But it's still better than a lot of Western Europe, that's for sure.
Also, Orban banned pride parades, and this is something that Magyar has announced he will reverse.
He said that everyone will have freedom of association, and so that presumably means that pride parades are back on the menu in Hungary.
So, this may be why.
We have incoming Tucker podcast saying it's just to push gay marriage in Hungary.
I mean, would that not be correct?
No.
How would it not be correct if you're allowing pride parades?
Because it isn't the only thing that one may want from a new government.
Okay, but that would definitely be one of the effects if that's what he said he's going to do.
It could also explain why Alex Schwab is so active about this.
Elections aren't just one issue elections.
But there have obviously, considering that they lost and the Tissa party have won with a two thirds majority, which is actually not that uncommon in the Hungarian system just by the way it works, there have been a series of problems.
So, one of the main things that everyone, even the government ministers, have brought up when I was talking to them was that they've been ruling since 2010.
People just have an appetite for change.
It's a long time.
And so, oh, looks like my article is up there actually.
So, yes, I've actually got an article talking about my experiences here.
Joshua radicalized you.
It was hungry.
It was just walking around the streets and realizing how safe and at ease everyone was.
I was just talking.
It's a very subjective, sort of personal thing.
So, please do check that out.
But basically, they were very dependent on cheap Russian energy.
And obviously, when the conflict in Ukraine went on, and also Ukraine shut off their pipeline to Hungary, it pushed up the cost of energy massively.
That was something that was brought up constantly by people.
And the cost of living has gone up massively.
Economic growth has slowed.
And this has affected lots of people.
And obviously, this is something that affects elections.
And I understand why people would want a change considering these hardships.
I think that that's reasonable.
When you've been in power as a party for 16 years, it makes sense.
That you're accountable for those things.
Even though there are externalities, there were things that they could have done to soften these.
If you're very dependent on one country that you're also not very friendly with diplomatically, as historically speaking, for energy, that is a bad thing to do.
Yeah, it's like what the Germans did with Angela Merkel.
One of the interesting things here, there are two interesting things.
Number one, it seems that for a long time, lots of, let's say, right wingers were just focused on economics.
And they just gave economic arguments.
And Orban is doing the exact opposite.
He was playing the traditionalist card, but, and, you know, with some sense, but he forgot economics.
So perhaps there's a lesson there do not forget economics, however tired you are of this.
It is a very important thing, and it's something that everyone feels, isn't it?
And if you are getting poor, if you're pinching pennies more and more, that's an obvious thing that affects your vote at the ballot box.
And so, particularly with things like corruption.
As well as they're also talking about the quality of healthcare.
But the corruption thing was a really big thing, actually.
And, you know, obviously take these sorts of things with a pinch of salt, but I actually think there's probably some truth to it.
This is an article from Politico Hungary seen as the most corrupt country in the EU.
And yeah, there are instances of obvious corruption visible.
Obviously, there's an incentive for the EU to paint them as corrupt because they're a bit of a fawn in their side.
And there's also an attempt to paint him as a dictator because he's filled the branches of government with people that are favourable to him, but they're saying that because they're not favourable to them.
They don't say, for example, Zelensky is a dictator, even though he's arrested his opposition and he's entrenched in power.
Of course, they're in a war, so it's slightly different, but still.
But he did step down peacefully and congratulated Peter Magyar pretty early on in the election night.
So he stepped down gracefully, so I don't think he's a dictator.
So that seemed a little bit unfair.
However, one thing that you don't want if you're trying to avoid allegations of corruption is raiding the anti corruption chief's office.
And it was for petty things like using.
What if he is corrupt?
What if he is the corrupt?
It is possible.
That is true.
He is literally in charge of corruption in the country.
So it makes sense.
So things like lending his official car to his wife to go shopping, which in the grand scheme of things, does that really require a raid?
I don't think so.
But one of the biggest things that is indisputable, and even many government ministers admitted to me, yeah, this was a big mistake, was this massive scandal.
So in 2024, it came to light that a man convicted of covering up the sexual abuse of minors in a children's home was pardoned by then Hungarian President Katyn Novak, who was a close Orban ally, basically just, you know, checking off.
That's despicable.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this led to the resignation of Novak.
And a lady called Judith Varga, who served as Justice Minister in the Orban government at the time.
And Varga just so happens to be the new Prime Minister's ex wife.
So let's get on to him, shall we?
Here he is.
This is Peter Magyar.
So when this happened, he resigned from his position he held at two state run companies and a state owned bank.
And then in a Facebook post, he accused the party leadership, which, by the way, he'd been a member of the party for 20 years.
You know, he's working for state run companies and state owned banks as well.
As hiding behind women's skirts because the president and his ex wife are women and they were basically scapegoating them for a failure of the government.
He was suggesting that it came from the top that this was happening because, of course, it's not a good look to have a large scale child abuse scandal if you're a traditional family based party.
I mean, I think forever any party.
Yes.
But it's particularly bad.
You don't have to conditionalize it, Josh.
So, one interesting thing about him is he also released a secret recording of his then wife before they got divorced, of her admitting that the government had edited official documents as part of a corruption investigation, which is her admitting corruption, but at the time they were married and they had three children together.
Playing Cards in Hungary00:12:06
And it's sort of an interesting aspect of his character.
Sure, he was exposing corruption, but also it's.
He's secretly recording his then wife.
Yes.
No wonder they got divorced.
Yeah, I'm not surprised.
And I've also heard rumors about other things, but I'm not going to get into that because it's all sort of hearsay.
But it is interesting as well that the PIS party in Poland also got ousted after a lot of corruption scandals with them, particularly when they put themselves across as such an anti migration party.
And one of the corruptions was that they were essentially selling visas to get into Europe on the coast of North Africa.
Yeah, that's obvious corruption, isn't it?
Yeah, it's an interesting correlation that we have at least two high profile cases of these.
Populist parties within Europe behaving this way now.
Yeah, and I think that actually corruption, you know, closer to the east of Europe and parts of Central Europe is a lot more common.
It's not surprising, sadly.
No.
And of course, in Britain, for example, we have legalized our corruption, and so we're not exactly washing our hands of it and judging you.
It's just that we have a different kind.
But it is worth mentioning that his ex wife, understandably bitter, calls him a traitor and stands by her comments that he's a domestic abuser and blackmailed her.
So.
There are some questions about his character.
There are some other ones that are a bit more gossipy that I thought, for the sake of decency, I wouldn't include.
But they are out there if you want to look for them.
But let's have a look at what he actually believes, shall we?
So, one thing, Josh, sorry, before you start, his name helps.
It's like the equivalent of being called Peter English.
I know, I was thinking that before I came on.
You know, Magyar is the name of the Hungarian people, isn't it?
And it was, you know, how the country was referred to for a long time.
So, part of what he was doing, because he oversaw basically an anti Orban coalition that included some people on the left, just anyone who would oppose Orban, he kept a lot of opinions to himself to keep this disparate coalition together.
And also, if you're just saying, listen, I'm basically Orban minus the corruption, and I'm a bit more pro European, a bit more anti Russia.
That does appeal to, to Hungarian voters.
And obviously it does because they won a two-thirds majority.
So a lot of things, um, are subject to speculation to a degree that isn't necessarily normal, but he played his cards close to his chest.
Um, but he identifies as a pro-European conservative liberal, if that makes any sense.
Um, all the buzzwords at once.
The thing here is that lots of people were very annoyed with who was happy about it.
Yes.
As I said, Soros was happy about it.
Ursula von der Leyen was happy about it.
You know, I think that's more because he's pro-European, that he's not going to be as much of a fawn in the side as Orban was.
Although there are some things that he said will be sticking points with the EU, so it's not entirely that much.
And it's also worth mentioning as well that in a lot of countries, particularly third world countries, they use anti-corruption as an excuse to purge opponents and then install their own friends, which is a form of corruption, ironically.
So that's worth bearing in mind.
We've got to see how this plays out, whether he's actually genuine about what Removing corruption and having a more transparent system or not.
But he does have a two thirds majority, so he can legitimately change the constitution and undo Orban's legacy if he so wishes.
He's also announced his intention to have a two term limit for prime ministers, although this doesn't apply retroactively.
And so Orban still could, in theory, win two terms following that.
But I think that it's a response to him dominating politics for four elections.
You know, you make of that what you will.
But I've got some direct quotes here about his.
And I think that this is mainly directed at the EU because the EU was objecting to the fact that Hungary wasn't very transparent about the way it spent its money, which is part of the reason that the EU is withholding it.
And so he's signaling, listen, I'm trying to fix it.
So pay me that money.
Um, because they've got about 35, uh, Billion, I think, euros frozen from the EU.
And also, another important quote is We choose the Hungarian people.
We don't want immigrants.
And it's been reported that he wants to get rid of the one to two year work visas, mostly used by Indians and Filipinos.
I was very surprised when I was in the queue to the country and there were lots of Filipinos there.
I was like, What are they doing here?
Is this like a holiday tour?
But no, it's guest workers coming to the country.
But he wants to do away with that.
And in fact, With echoes of Trump, he suggested that the Filipino workers living in hotels in Budapest were eating the ducks and the goldfish from the zoos.
Which, um.
I can believe it.
I don't know about this.
I haven't seen any evidence of it, but it seems to suggest that perhaps.
Did you follow any of those Filipinos?
Did you see what you were eating, Josh?
I saw a few goldfish tails hanging out of their mouth, but we can't presume that they were following.
All right, the goldfish might have jumped in there.
It's possible.
Maybe they were saving the goldfish in their mouth from drowning, you know.
It's entirely possible.
Um, but yes, um, this seems to suggest that he's serious.
But again, will the EU.
And his own party allows him to do this.
Of course, his party is a coalition of people opposing Orban, which means that there'll be more left wing people in there than perhaps himself.
And so I don't know whether he's going to do this, but we'll have to see.
There's a lot of things that are sort of up in the air.
But on the EU, one thing he has said since winning is he wants to bring back EU funding to improve the economy, but doesn't support fast tracking ascension to the EU of Ukraine, and that Hungary should.
Opt out of the 90 billion loan to Ukraine as Hungary is in a difficult financial situation.
So I don't think the EU would be too happy about this.
But at the same time, I think there's still wiggle room there for them to have a more favorable relationship than Orban.
If you actually negotiate with the EU a deal that has some clauses that helps you, you can actually make it.
That's what happened with Denmark.
And that's one of the secrets of Danish relative baseness.
For European standards.
They didn't sign the Maastricht Treaty in 1992 and they opt for several specific clauses for themselves.
So he can be pro EU, but also pro Hungary if he plays his cards well.
That is true.
And even people in Fidesz said, listen, we like the EU, we don't want to leave it.
We agree with 95% of what they do.
It's just that 5% that's particularly objectionable to us.
We're not going to break the deal for that 5%.
Come on.
Yeah, that's basically what they were saying.
And then he was talking about Russian oil, which of course was a point of contention.
And they say, he says, Russia stays here, Hungary stays here, we'll do everything for diversification.
But this does not mean we will decouple.
We'll always get oil as cheaply and as safely as possible, which was basically Fidesz's position, which had Orban described as a Russian ally, perhaps unfairly, in my opinion.
Because I actually spoke at length about the energy situation with many government ministers, and they were just like, we've just got to be pragmatic about it.
You know, Russia's not going anywhere, and it's better that we have a deal where we get cheap energy out of it than being adversarial and have expensive energy.
And they're just like, yeah, it's not ideal.
Obviously, we're not friends of Moscow considering how they ruled over us.
But at the same time, we've got to make the best of a bad situation, which I thought was quite pragmatic and quite reasonable relative to the more ideological things.
And in fact, I've got a quote in the article I wrote talking about how Europe doesn't have the luxury at the minute of being ideological.
We're not in a situation, we're basically living off of our prior greatness, which I think is a good way of putting it, really.
And then the final thing I wanted to look at before I wrap up here is just the state of parliament here.
So, obviously, the Tissa party, this is from the Telegraph, to give a correct source.
And I think it's a little bit provisional.
There's also the people in the provinces outside of Hungary, so the Hungarian minority areas in other countries, also get a vote as well, which take a little bit of a while to come in.
But it's looking like they've got roughly this two thirds majority, as far as I'm aware.
And then Fidesz still has 55 seats in there.
And then the.
Our country movement, there, which is described as the far right, has six.
So, in theory at least, all the leaders of the parliamentary parties in Hungary are right wing.
Yeah, there don't seem to be communists there.
No, there doesn't seem to be any explicitly left wing party in their parliament whatsoever, which is a refreshing thing to see.
But of course, it's not that surprising, given their experiences with the Soviet Union, that they're a little bit more resistant to this sort of thing than, say, France, Britain, and the like.
And so that is my summary.
I think a lot of this will just have to be witnessed for ourselves because, of course, he kept his cards close to his chest.
It's not clear the direction of the country.
But we'll just have to wait and see.
All right, then we've got a few rumble rants in during that one.
Bold Eagle says, I don't think it was actually necessary.
I think that the conditions were already ripe for a change of government.
And I think that actually, from a lot of people I spoke to, they expected it to be a close race.
Even government ministers said, listen, this is going to be a tough one to win for us.
We're not that popular at the minute.
And so.
I don't think that's needed.
I think that it would have happened either way, personally.
Sigilstone 17.
Uh oh.
Pictures of Hungary's new prime minister wearing the hat at the temple.
Well, I mean, there's no change in policy there.
Orban was pictured at the wall.
Yes.
This is just part of Hungarian politics.
They're a lot more pro Israel and pro America in Hungary.
That's a random name.
If it's anything like Montreal, these pride parades will involve naked perverts gallivanting and enjoying one another in public.
Very.
I can't say that.
I mean, that is literally what a pride parade is.
So, that is one of the concerns if they do open up policy to allow for those kinds of things.
That is part of the societal acid that burns away at family formation if you allow that kind of subversion in public.
I agree.
Also, Josh, there's another thing.
Have you finished with the comments?
Yes.
There's one thing I want to say because I remember this from the elections of Romania.
There is a tendency for people who don't follow.
Eastern European politics to apply MAGA categories on them.
So it's like wherever there's an election, let's find who is Trump, who is DOJ trying to jail Trump, who stole the election.
It happens all the time.
It's a good thing if people resist this.
Because Hungary is another country.
Yeah.
All right then.
So let's move on to the next segment, which is a culture war throwback.
We're doing a culture war throwback, my friends.
That's right.
Over the past few years, there has been a lot of discussion over woke, wokeness, and whether woke is dead.
Piers Morgan even wrote a book saying woke is dead, so it must be, right?
The question then is why are there still remnants of it which pop up every now and again?
Culture War Throwback00:02:30
And is it characteristically different from your everyday general degeneracy and perversion being pushed?
Or is there a different character to it?
Because there is still a lot of degeneracy.
A lot of perversion being pushed in the media that people consume.
Is that wokeness?
Is wokeness lying in wait?
Will it rise up again if a Democratic Party wins in America next time?
And will they go turbo woke?
These are all questions that are up in the air.
But the little remnant of it, which still exists, has popped up in the most unlikely of places, which was in, of all things, the Malcolm in the Middle reboot miniseries, which is quite the shame.
I don't know if either of you ever watched.
Malcolm in the Middle when it was coming out when you were younger?
Only when it came on after The Simpsons on Sky.
Yes.
I hope they didn't sandwich him.
I don't know what that means.
He says in the middle.
Oh.
Oh.
Come on, Harry.
I've checked your notes about a segment.
All right.
I know what kind of segments you gravitate towards lately.
All right.
I really don't.
Don't act prudish.
Oh, okay.
It was a gay joke, folks, for everybody out there who was as oblivious as I am.
It was a gay joke.
But yeah, I quite enjoyed Malcolm in the Middle when I was younger.
It was quite innovative as American comedies go.
It was one of the first ones to not be, you know, like a two camera sitcom with a laugh track and everything.
It was all shot like a drama series.
Where the jokes were not all telegraphed by laugh tracks.
I enjoyed it a lot, and they did this reboot series catching up on the family years later as some kind of nostalgia bait.
But what do they have to inject into nostalgia bait to ruin everybody's lovely memories of a funny show?
Well, they have to break my box, first of all.
This one works.
Here you go.
This one works.
Thank you.
Well, they have to make it so that the younger sibling, the sister of the family, which was a big plot point in the series when it was first coming out, that the mum really, really wanted.
A girl, because she had four boys, turns out to be non binary and gives a big speech about it in the middle of one of the four episodes, which is about a minute and a half of time dedicated to this over the course of a four episode miniseries.
That's a fair amount of budget for this one thing.
I find that when I watch comedy, what I really like is to be lectured to at length about morals.
That's what I like about comedy stuff.
Gender Comedy Skins00:08:44
That's a progressive gender ideology BS as well.
And doesn't this feel like such a throwback?
Right?
It does.
Doesn't this feel like we're back in 2016 all over again, being lectured by television programs about how there's far more than just the gender binary?
It's not going to stop anytime soon.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I was never convinced by the woke will go away argument because you have to look at the function of wokeness.
It's designed to perfectly dominate a space, whether it's politics, whether it's your workplace.
It creates completely arbitrary rules.
And whoever is, you know, the leader in that space, they can dominate it.
And you separate the population into distinct groups and you make them just, you create rules that are contradictory.
I think as long as you separate people within their own groups as well.
Yeah.
Young white women who would otherwise be normal and having.
Families then decide to designate themselves as some strange fairy creature off to the side.
Yeah, but it's not just that.
It's not like you have a heterosexual woman who watches a degenerate, so now I've found it.
I'm a butch lesbian.
It's all part of a larger social culture which people are exposed to.
And people are influenced by the sorts of things that they see in films and television, or else there wouldn't be so much money spent on putting those things in.
It makes it seem more normal, doesn't it?
Exposing people to something, and it's a phenomenon in psychology that the more familiar you are with something, the more likely you are to like it.
I think that as long as there are losers in society, there will be aspects of wokeness because it's a way of them to leverage power and respect.
You're at rest, and you need preferential treatment.
But I think also that there was a peak of wokeness, and I think it was on the decline, but we should also not expect it to go away entirely.
We should also see the divisions within the Republican Party and the expectations of some that.
The Democrats might make a return at the midterms would also give some motivation to the people behind these kinds of ideologies to start to ramp it back up again, as there's an ebb and flow.
We'll see.
There is a progressive logic to a lot of it, of course.
But back on the 2016, you also have, again, just like back then, people misrepresenting the stuff that you used to like to justify why it's being subverted now.
People pointing out, ah, well, what about this from Malcolm in the Middle back in the day?
He's in a little hula thing.
This wasn't a joke.
This was them.
Same, I don't know, something about society.
Yes, goofing around is definitely a statement of your sexuality.
Look, they got one of the male characters to dress as a woman for an episode, so that means that they were always for gender bending non binary rubbish.
That's not a comedy trope and a thing common in theatre for many years that had no connotation.
Yeah, just taking the jokes out of context is such a bizarre throwback to this kind of culture war debate that was going on 10 years ago, and which, again, it's strange how it goes away for a little bit.
Then, an old program, an old franchise that you remember fondly from your childhood does this, and then it just, like it never went away, comes right back up, and everybody's having the same arguments over and over and over again.
It's quite bizarre, but this is when I move on to something else, because this is just basic bitch wokeness, right?
This is a clear and obvious sign of they have taken the thing that you loved and they have made it fake and gay.
Which was the whole point of wokeness alongside all of the other broader political uses that it has, as Stelios pointed out.
But then, where is the difference between that and just outright degeneracy?
Is there a difference in character between this, which has its own 2016 brand of wokeness, and this, right?
Sydney Sweeney shocks fans by dressing up as a baby in the Euphoria trailer.
I'm going to turn this down and get that off screen because.
Frankly, it's gross.
But is there a difference between that and this kind of weird sexual perversion that is still pushed through with HBO programs and has been far more acceptable in HBO programs for a long time?
Because that has a similar societal effect in kind of normalizing this kind of thing.
Even it has the skins effect.
I mentioned skins on one of my segments last week, where the show argued that, oh, we're trying to bring awareness to the struggles of young people.
When in actuality, it normalized a lot of that behavior for young people and made it seem cool for a lot of them.
Josh, you're around the same age as I am.
Did you find that friends of yours who watched skins tried to emulate the behavior rather than went, oh, I've learned a lesson from that?
I wasn't friends with people that watched skins, really.
Good on you.
Thank you.
But the people who I knew who did were pretty degenerate people.
Exactly.
And this is just somebody's screenshot of Sam Levinson, the name of the director and creator of the program, showing up a few times in the Epstein Library.
But that's neither.
Here nor there, and will definitely not have any relevance to the subject as we carry on.
But people are trying to come up with theories as to why Sidney Sweeney would agree to this because one of the other things that the Euphoria Twitter account put out was saying, oh, a potential spoilers screenshot of Sidney Sweeney from the third series, which appears to be in a rather horrifying assault position, right?
And they're saying that they're trying to humiliate Sidney Sweeney for taking part in the Jeans ad and presumably the big push of support that she got from right wing figures, including this podcast.
Last year, to which point I would say, if you actually read anything about her and the show, she's very comfortable with doing this kind of thing.
This is one of the things that made her famous in the first place, appearing in shows like this.
And in interviews, she said that she's actually discussed with the creator what she's comfortable doing and what she's not comfortable doing.
So if you want to say that this is her being humiliated by it, that's very strange because she is perfectly okay with this and happy to flaunt herself in such a way.
And in fact, it is slightly cringeworthy to go back and look at all of the fawning praise that even this podcast had towards Sidney Sweeney all last year.
I was friendly about it for the reason of getting along on the podcast, but I never thought it was a particularly great idea, frankly.
I mean, she's a hot blonde who knows that she's hot, right?
Yeah, but I don't think those of us, and I include myself in that category, who were pro Sidney Sweeney, we're doing the sort of intellectual projection.
I can think of a few good reasons why you like Sidney Sweeney Stellio.
Yeah, but there were a lot of people.
And also, and let me just say, because Harry, you may not be very familiar with her filmography.
It's not the first movie.
Clearly not.
Clearly not as familiar as that.
It's not the first movie she does where she, that is completely sexual.
There's even a movie where she's constantly spying her neighbor.
Okay, well, I'm aware of the fact that she's familiar with these kinds of roles, right?
Which is why I'm saying it was very strange for everybody to put her up as some kind of culture war icon.
I don't know why they were doing it.
They weren't putting her on a pedestal.
Let's not wipe it.
We weren't putting her on a pedestal.
We liked her unapologetic stance with respect to something.
It would be absolutely not good, and I agree with you.
I think we would completely be in agreement here for her to be unapologetic in saying, no, I'm not going to do this stupid shit.
Here.
Yes.
Because again, it's just, you're basically injecting poison into your brain when you watch stuff like this.
It's not healthy for people to watch so many scenes of horrible things like that happening.
But the interesting thing is the reaction from the mainstream media to this and the kind of schizophrenia that I've seen observed here by a left wing outlet like The Independent, for instance.
Last week, posting a review of the show saying that Series 3, it's generation defining, it Paints a clear eyed and unflattering portrait of modern America, gives it four stars, and then just a few days later, posting about how Euphoria has become the most toxic show on television, where it also gives a rather damning indictment of the kind of storylines that you see in this of basically just being misery porn, of just horrible thing after horrible thing happening with no real point to it.
Israeli Version Upset00:12:01
Because I'm not a prude, I'm not saying that you're not allowed to present dark subject matter.
It's that really there should be a point to it.
If you're going to do that, or else you're just making people miss it.
It's also very repetitive.
It's not the one in a, you know, just, you know, you have an absolute degenerate director who came up with an idea to do something.
Oh, this seems like an example of a degenerate director.
Yeah, it happens a lot.
And I don't think that people like it.
I think it's just degenerate elites or something, not necessarily in the political sense, but there are, you know, there are groups of people who do want this.
It becomes like a sort of zeitgeist.
Everyone sort of starts doing this thing and it becomes inescapable.
If there was a bit of variety, at least, you know, there would be some purpose for this sort of thing.
Yeah, the message doesn't have to be you have to be a massive whore.
Yeah, I mean, listen to even the description found in this independent article, which asks the question Does Euphoria Series 3 need to exist?
Well, it's debatable.
The three episodes of Eight Supplied to Journalists are arguably bleaker than anything Sam Levinson has put his name to before.
With one of the characters, Rue, smuggling drugs in Mexico.
I thought this was supposed to be like a high school teenager drama, but oh well.
Cassie, one of the other characters, I think that's Sidney Sweeney, pretending to be a sexy dog and baby on OnlyFans.
And Hunter Schaefer, who is the would have been, could have been Zelda transsexual.
Hunter Schaefer's melancholy jewels working as a sugar baby for a millionaire.
That Levinson has claimed series three is a tribute to cast member Angus Cloud, who died from a drug overdose.
Shortly after filming his two season role as sensitive dealer Fez on the show, it feels more worrying than it does sweet.
That does seem like quite a strange contradiction.
And the review and this article end by saying, at least we can find solace in the fact that it will all be over in eight weeks.
It also just sounds like I haven't seen it, so maybe I'm wrong here, but it all just sounds like an older person's misguided understanding of what young people are up to.
Well, the question is in that, is it that or is it purposeful?
Subversion.
Because Sam Levinson, the creator of the show, this is not his first time making the show Euphoria.
This is in fact his second time, because what Euphoria is, is an American reboot of an Israeli show, which Sam Levinson also made, which has some quite stark and interesting details that mark it out as very different.
So, for instance, as pointed out here, the Israeli version of the show, which was from about 14 years ago, had no diversity in the cast.
It was all Israelis.
There was no, as a result of that, race mixing.
Within the television series in Israel, there were no transsexuals in the Israeli version, whereas in the American version, Sidney Sweeney has sex with black men, and in the American version, the dad of the character Nate has sex with a transsexual high schooler.
Which is all very interesting, isn't it?
Given that, again, what we're talking about here is the process of normalization.
If you were to go with an old fashioned way of describing it, you could call it demoralization.
This is putting these images in people's faces to make it come across like this is something that.
Everybody does, and to take away some of the stigma from it, young people watch this and say, either, well, if they're doing it, then it's normal, or if people are constantly being presented with this awful depiction of the world, they say, well, at least if I'm doing something bad, I'm either on the same level or slightly better than what these television characters are doing.
The question being, is this a case of the creator, Sam Levinson, changing the material on purpose to cater to what he sees as an American audience, or is this a case where perhaps Israel, at the time, Was more restrictive with the kinds of things that it would let appear on television.
And therefore, he was not able to put this kind of similar subversive aspects into the Israeli version of the program.
Would you say both?
It could be both.
Either way, it's an indictment of American standards.
And one of the suspect things here, which ties to what I was saying before, is that you see this frequently in advertising.
Yes.
You have lots of big companies who are pushing woke messaging and doing woke rebranding, which fails.
And they keep doing it.
So the question is why don't they learn the lesson?
That is a question.
But one of the other shows that's been getting a bit of a hammering after a lot of people basically just looked at a show like Euphoria and said, if I'm going to subject myself to hours and hours of misery, there needs to be a light at the end of the tunnel, and this show doesn't seem to be providing it.
Another show being hammered on a similar way is The Boys, which is equally, if not more, subversive and revels even more in just the disgusting, dark, and shady aspects of life.
The last part I ever saw of The Boys, because I did watch the first two series, Was the very first episode of series three when one of the first things that you see in it is a man who can shrink himself down and change his size.
I heard about this.
Yes.
And of course, one of the first things you see that he does is he's gay and shrinks himself down and goes into the penis of another man to give him pleasure.
Which was just one of those moments where I just saw that and said, no, I switched it off and said, this is not for me.
And frankly, it shouldn't be for anybody.
Because surely that would tickle.
Well, that was the point.
But it was just gross.
It was just gross out for the sake of being gross out.
There's no greater kind of message to it other than really what turns by the end into Democrat talking points and left wing talking points.
I think basically cinema has died after Lord of the Rings.
Basically, every so often there's a yawning whisper of cinema returning.
Every now and then.
Usually independent films.
I've been sort of child maxing and watching nothing but dinosaur documentaries recently.
Based.
And I've been enjoying it.
What you should start doing is dad maxing and just watch dad programs like men fixing motorbike engines or forging steel weapons.
I've watched a lot of those.
Don't you worry.
Good man.
Just go back to the classics and watch Mythbusters.
Also, like watching people dig up gold.
That's good.
Mining programs.
It's a lot of fun, really, isn't it?
It is, yes.
Yeah.
But The Boys has also featured some other controversy, which is that the character of Frenchie.
Shock of all shocks is not actually played by a French person.
He is played.
Oh, sorry, this is just one of the other childish things.
Ironically, from what I'm about to mention, this is an Arab account bigging this up, going like, oh, this is how the cast of the boys is saying farewell to its audience.
Wow, aren't they super cool and edgy?
This is like peak millennialism.
Wow, you're swearing.
Oh, that's so cool.
And it's very faux edgy, which the show is just the one.
If somebody asked me to give a perfect example of faux edgy, I would just point to the boys because they're going to make jokes about Christians.
They're going to make jokes about white people.
They're going to have the most gross, disgusting thing you've ever seen in your life happen on screen every single episode.
But will they ever make a joke that will actually get them in trouble?
No.
Question, question.
Because I haven't watched it because from a description people gave me, I said, I really don't care about watching this.
But is it that in this case, they're sort of playing really bad people and they're actually playing it?
It's one of those shows where it's supposed to all be gray area, but what it actually is is.
That's what I didn't like.
Yeah, it's all just a moral gray zone.
Nobody's good, nobody's evil, and it's pure nihilism, is what it is.
Which is interesting because we talk about shows that are dark and edgy but have a point to them.
You could argue, I've seen people argue for the case of Rust in the first series of True Detective.
Being a nihilist, but actually, the whole point of the show is that by the end of it, his nihilism was a shield and he's able to overcome it and see the hope and optimism in the world.
And given the creator was a Catholic, then it acts as a kind of stealth Christian story.
And also, he was, you know, what he was actually trying to do in the story and what he was aiming to do was save children from abuse.
So it makes sense that he was a little bit depressed, right?
He wasn't a nihilist.
That's not how I interpret it.
Early on, he's presented as one, but then by the end, of course.
And that's one of the beautiful things about that show.
And it shows you how you can be dark and gritty and real and edgy without just falling purely into a broader nihilism.
But that's not what people are upset about the boys over.
It's the fact that the guy, the chap who plays Frenchy, is not French, but is in fact.
Israeli and the show's left wing audience that it has cultivated for itself are incredibly upset about the fact that he was an IDF soldier who, back in 2016, gave a casual interview about how he would, as part of the IDF, break into people's homes and abduct 18 year old daughters and then basically black bag them and get them into a facility where they're holding a number of other similarly aged young girls, which comes across very bad.
Now, there is some nuance that you could take from this because if you actually read, More of the interview.
He's talking about how he found it to be morally deadening and how he was very upset at it and ended up quitting, I believe, or basically abandoning it because of all of that.
But still, these are things that he did do, which people are very, very upset about and are deciding that they do not want to watch the program over, especially if the program is going to feature him moralizing to them when they see him as equally, if not more morally compromised than the kinds of people that he is supposedly fighting out.
Against.
So that's an interesting little tidbit about some of the media, the programming, and the people behind it that we've got right now.
But if you would like to see another example of someone who you could say did expose the darker sides of humanity and indulge in the grossness and darkness without making it into pure nihilism and while having a point at the end of it and making something that actually really was beautiful and exposed the light, you can instead watch part three of mine, Josh's, and Proper Horror Show series on the works of David Lynch.
Output transcript Out recently, if you're a subscriber to the website, you can watch that right now.
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And if you enjoy it, please consider subscribing and watch the rest because it was a really worthwhile conversation.
It's a lot of fun, yeah.
And in this one in particular, we talk about his most surprising film, that being The Straight Story, which, if you want to see the contrast between a man who could show the darkest of darkness and then the most beautiful, wholesome, down to earth, and simple story imaginable, watch The Straight Story because that is just.
That's heart, that's goodness, that's purity, that's everything good in life distilled into about an hour and a half.
Yeah, if you go away from watching that film and you don't have a better mood at the end of it, there's something wrong with you.
Yeah, and maybe that's what you should take from this, which is that if you are consistently indulging in media that just makes you miserable, makes you feel horrible, and look at the world in a really negative light at the end of it, perhaps you should engage with something that's just a touch more positive.
Prank Supply Interpol00:15:09
There we go.
We need white pills.
Yes, I think that was a white pill at the end of it.
I got some rumble rants.
Tiffany, woke is not dead at all.
Virginia proves the whole plan.
GOP and RNC sabotage the center right so that the left won.
Now they are going full progressivism.
Sigilstone, a proper Malcolm reboot, should have just been one episode of Malcolm bludgeoning his mother for destroying his future.
Instead, he validates her as right all along.
God forbid a woman be accountable.
Random name sends in two.
Woke won't be over as long as the progress bar stays stuck.
Oh, yeah.
All of a sudden, Harry's pages started beeping, and Hampsification, the creator of the boys' Garth Ennis, is quite misunderstood and quite right wing.
I would argue he's edgy, but if you've ever read his comic Preacher, that is not at all what I would describe as a right wing comic book.
And similarly, I've not read the boys' comic, but the show is made by different people than Garth.
I don't know if it's got his praise, obviously, got his go ahead, but I don't know if that's because he believes in their artistic vision or if he just likes the money the show makes for him.
Tell us about the Kit Kats, Stelios.
Where are they?
I'm going to tell you where they are.
All right, Bruce.
Calm down, Batman.
I could have done a much better impression, but it would have been ear splittingly loud.
It's all right.
You love chocolate?
I know you do.
I love it as well.
You may love Kit Kat.
You may love having a break and having some Kit Kat as well to accompany your break.
Some people are having lots of breaks here.
12 tons of breaks have vanished out of thin air.
No one knows where they are.
But someone is absolutely having the time of their life.
Right.
So let us focus a bit on KitKat and their ex account.
And we are going to see what became of the heist of the century.
Perhaps that's a bit too much, but it's definitely one of the big heists of the decade.
Yes, because I don't know who in their right mind was it 12 tons of KitKats that was taken?
Yeah, yeah.
That's a lot of effort for KitKat.
In my mind, I'd like to just imagine a really big fat person with great ambition.
You know, the boring interpretation is that people stole it to sell on.
You have to think big.
You do.
I mean, in more ways than one.
I just want it to be one great big greedy person.
I'd like to imagine him like on a parachute, just like on a paraglider gliding over and just hooking it.
Paragliders dragging along the ground behind the van.
At the moment, we don't know if it was one person or a group of people.
But there have been cases, which we are going to talk about towards the end, of isolated individuals who stole thousands of chocolates.
Right.
Okay.
Let's see here.
Say different unique designs, different types of prosperity.
Get yours and see which will bring you luck this CNY.
Whatever that's.
On this new year.
Yeah.
That's February 12th.
Here they are talking about Ramadan.
They deserved it.
Yeah, a blessed month begins.
May this rabbit.
The Israelis.
There's a half crescent in the Kit Kat.
I'm never eating another Kit Kat again.
Israel stole the Kit Kats.
May demoralize the Middle East.
May this Ramadan bring meaning to your every break moment.
They are not talking about Easter.
Harry?
No.
Oh, okay.
Yep.
Here they say the first word you see is what you need today.
Break.
Re.
Give us a break.
I saw Bex.
Right.
So let's go here.
Yes.
Regarding recent press coverage.
That's March 29.
That's real close to April's Fool's Day.
Right.
So they're saying we can confirm that 12 tons of KitKat products were stolen while in transit between our factory in central Italy and their destination in Poland.
We're currently working closely with local authorities and supply chain partners to investigate the good news.
There are no concerns for consumer safety and supply is not affected.
There's a couple of questions I have here.
Did they weigh the driver before and after?
And second of all, why would you make Kit Kats in central Italy?
Won't they melt?
You know, it is a warm part of the world.
Presumably, you have fridge.
That's true.
Presumably.
I didn't think of that.
They don't just have to like speed all of the way on a ticking clock.
I think it's just a direct time frame.
Italia has fridges.
It's just a straight line and a big, fast truck.
I think after the Risorgimento, they did have fridges.
Okay, that's true.
Maybe that's to answer your question.
I haven't been to Italy a lot, all right?
I don't know about the state of the federated truck.
When you look at this statement and it's March 29, what comes to mind?
What's the first thing you're going to think about?
It was the Easter Bunny.
It was an inside job.
Many people thought it was basically April's Fool's Day prank.
A couple of days early.
Yeah.
And there were many memes.
And also, there was this thing that was saying supply not affected.
Yeah.
To be fair, Britain alone probably has a strategic Kit Kat reserve.
We have them in every shop.
I'm sorry, I like this guy.
Yeah.
So we'll talk about it because there were many memes here and people started taking it as a prank.
But also, some others didn't take it as a prank and they just said it's just hilarious that people would just steal so many Kit Kats.
It's like you have these movies in mind.
When you have all these gangs going out, doing a special op to steal high profile people or their family or gold or something, and it's Kit Kat.
There's a missed opportunity here for them releasing a press statement saying, a beast criminal still at large.
This is what they should do for Oceans 14.
Look at this here.
Oh my God.
Yeah, it's from Casa de Papel, in case you haven't watched it.
Here we have Walter White and his very annoying wife.
The main villain in Breaking Bad.
The context of the rest of this scene makes it even better because she basically just turns to him and says, How much is too much?
I've been told that when I've been eating chocolate.
I can tell.
Yeah.
But turns out it wasn't a prank.
And they were actually stolen.
Now, let's see what happened here.
We have this scene and an article by Jack Guy.
I mean, how can it not be a prank?
This man did it.
How can it not be a prank?
You're called Jack.
Guy.
He needed it for his calories to bulk.
That's what he needed.
Right.
So they're saying basically.
A total of 413,793 Kit Kat bars were stolen.
That's a very specific number.
Counted out specifically.
They counted everything.
Each one is traceable.
So the governments of Europe need to coordinate and start tracing these Kit Kats.
Don't you think that they have to?
It's like more and more money has to pour into Interpol.
The whole point is a sphere of trust between member nations.
How could Italy and the KitKat Corporation trust anyone?
Ursula von der Leyen needs to get this.
Yeah, this is blasphemy against the spirit of the EU.
They need to start treating it like banknotes.
You know how some banknotes have little trackers embedded in them, like fake notes, so that if it's stolen in bulk, they can follow where it's gone.
This is exactly what they did.
Let's see what happens.
Oh, my God.
The confectionery, which is manufactured by Swiss firm Nestlé. was stolen when the vehicle was distributing the bars along a route running from a factory in central Italy to Poland.
They said it was Turin.
So that's still Italy, isn't it?
Italy, yeah.
So it could have been the mafia.
But it's in the north.
That's true.
Yeah, which sounds like a weird flex.
Perhaps not.
I'm sure Italians right now are going to watch this.
They know it's not just a weird flex.
Yeah, it's not just Sicilians that have the mafia.
It's all over Italy, isn't it?
Yeah.
The vehicle and its contents remain unaccounted for, and investigations are ongoing in close collaboration with local authorities and supply chain partners.
A total of 413,793 Kit Kat bars were stolen.
Each one is traceable using on pack batch numbers.
And KitKat has asked anyone who finds a match to lure the company.
So imagine you're going to get a KitKat and then you're going to scan it and track it and say, let me just see if there.
I just like the idea that there's tracers on every single one of these.
And you just go around to your illicit black market chocolate dealer behind the scenes.
Had the number scraped off like guns in the US.
Yeah, like a gun.
And you go and buy it and you open.
The packet, and you're about to bite into it like a monster.
You don't even break it because you're a criminal anyway.
So you're just about to bite all four at once.
And then the SWAT teams just said that.
Yeah, but I want you to understand the gravity of the situation, apart from the 12 tons.
So I calculated each bar has approximately 155 calories.
Uh oh.
So this is a total of 64,137,915 calories.
Whoa, that's basically my intake for the month.
To put it into perspective, I would doubt this.
I'm joking.
Really doubt this, Josh.
I don't think you're that fat.
That fat?
Yeah.
He's actually under selling it.
Let me put 64 million calories into perspective.
This is a lifetime of food for an average adult.
For an average adult, this is approximately able to sustain them for 87.8 years.
I don't think they would have that much.
Presumably, you'd want more protein, though, instead of just fat.
If you just ate Kit Kats, you're not making that 87th year.
You're really not making it.
Right.
Right.
Here it can fuel an F1 car.
It would be equivalent to roughly 74,000 kilowatts per hour.
I don't see that F1 car winning if it runs on Kit Kats.
This is enough energy to drive a modern electric vehicle like a Tesla Model 3 from New York to Los Angeles and back over 15 times.
Okay.
And Sugar Rush, we're talking about 5.8 metric tons of sugar.
I want you to understand the cargo that was stolen.
I actually have a very low sugar diet.
So that basically means then that almost half of the weight of a Kit Kat is in sugar, then.
As if it was 12 tons and it's about five or so tons of sugar.
Yeah, it's a lot.
I like the fun that the spokesman's having with this whole thing, though.
Oh, no, the criminals made a break with our Kit Kats.
They say here that they have a tracker which lets candy lovers check if their Kit Kat is from the heist.
Yeah, because this is entirely average, you know, chocolate lover behavior when you buy a bar or something.
Wouldn't that just make you want to taste it even more?
The sweet taste of forbidden Kit Kat.
Yeah.
But that is the issue though here.
They don't know who did it.
And how do you just completely disappear?
How do 12 tons of Kit Kat disappear into the market?
So, my hunch is that they function as deal sweeteners.
So, people who have stolen them, I think we're talking about a group of individuals who want to use them as deal sweeteners.
So, they're selling other stuff and they're saying, right, here's some deal sweetener if you want.
You can have you.
I've not got enough cocaine right now, but if I throw a few Kit Kats on top.
Yeah, man.
Also, they could be trying to influence election cycles and do some direct donations.
Or donating it in Kit Kat.
So instead of throwing MAGA hats, imagine throwing Kit Kats.
You know the way in some crime movies they'll have the exchange of briefcases of money?
Yeah.
Right.
And sometimes it'll be packed with newspaper clippings and such underneath the top of the thing.
I'm two fingers short.
Right.
So they're trying to turn it into a PR victory.
And they lost the merchandise, but they're trying to make a marketing campaign out of this, which has some people always asking whether this was actually a marketing trick.
But there have been such heists before.
Let me just show you this.
Maybe there's music.
Tiff Cat is leveling up and not playing around.
Yeah, they have Escort.
Many SUVs are escorting Kit Kat trucks here.
It's a pretty flag.
Imagine you have the Sicario 3.
You have Josh Brolin and who was the guy who was playing the Mexican?
The great actor.
What?
In what?
Who won?
Sicario 3.
Oh, Vinicio del Toro.
Vinicio del Toro.
Yeah, you have SUVs and Humvees with machine guns escorting Kit Kat.
Here's an idea.
If you don't want your Kit Kats to be stolen, don't emblazon your vans with a Kit Kat logo.
Well, the Kit Kat fans have to go dark now.
Yes, they've got to be undercover.
They'll pretend to be like, I don't know, lettuce vans.
No one will rob them.
Now, I was interested in chocolate stealing.
I haven't done it.
We've all been at the age.
It's just fun because there is some kind of twisted thieves' wisdom there because lots of them just haven't been found.
Because people are going to say, well, I'm not going to.
I don't know how many resources are going to.
Be poured into tracking stolen Kit Kats.
I want Interpol involved personally.
Well, to be serious for a moment, Ochigdor has actually put forward a rumble rant which could help to explain a lot of this, suggesting that it may be a test run and that you should see what other things are delivered along the route that was stolen.
So they might be going for unserious, low value cargo right now so they can test getaway routes, areas of access, dark sites where they might be able to intercept deliveries.
Yeah, let's focus on this one.
So, there have been several high profile chocolate heists, right?
Germany Theft Joby Eggs00:07:26
This is the Nutella heist of 2013.
And this happened in Germany.
This is basically 5.5 tons of Nutella disappeared, and the culprits haven't been found.
So, they stole the jars from a parked trailer in the central German town of Bad Hirschfeld.
They should have known it's called Bad.
And what happened basically, they used a particular method which is called finessing the trailer.
Now, let me tell you what happened.
So, there was a refrigerated semi trailer called a reefer packed with Nutella, and that was parked at an old decommissioned railway station in Bad Hersfeld, Germany.
This area was frequently used as a temporary staging ground for long haul truck drivers to park their loads over the weekend.
And the thieves arrived with their own tractor unit, and basically, they just simply Backed their tractor up to the Nutella field trailer, hooked up the fifth wheel, the coupling mechanism, attached the airlines for the brakes, and drove the entire trailer away.
Nobody suspected us that's quite high tech for a theft.
But then I suppose if you're stealing at this scale, Nutella, yeah.
But what is the fun thing?
And what 13 grand's worth of Nutella, all that effort.
What makes people a bit suspicious is that tons of coffee were stolen in the same way.
From that place, some weeks before that.
Someone's got their breakfast set for life.
They're going to have Nutella on toast and coffee forever.
Maybe, you know how in GTA 5 you've got to prepare for the heists by doing tiny little mini thefts before so that you can get the materials that you need?
Perhaps this was all in preparation for bigger heists.
They needed all of that Nutella because there was, I don't know, an event on where everybody was allergic to nuts and they needed some way of getting the sweet.
Spread to infect everyone.
What sort of weird nut allergy holocaust going on in Germany?
Blimey.
The dark recesses of your mind to conjure this up, Harry.
It's a test run.
You know Germany, you know what they're like.
So the police never revealed whether the heist was the work of local amateurs with an insatiable sweet tooth or a professional ring looking to profit on the sticky black market.
And basically, they never found it.
The Nutella was never recovered.
That's what I'm telling you.
Maybe it's like a deal sweetener.
It's used as a deal sweetener somewhere.
Or maybe it's just really fat people.
Maybe they were just so hungry.
Let us.
It's just criminal.
It's the criminal underworld of the obese.
They're going under the radar.
No one looks at an obese person and thinks that person's a master thief.
Unless they've seen the Sopranos, in which case they're all fat.
But nobody looks at a fat person and thinks that he's a cat burglar.
And for good reason.
Guys.
There was another Nutella heist in 2017.
Blimey.
It was in the same way.
This is 2019.
This is another high profile chocolate heist.
It's 20 tons of chocolate.
So basically, a thief in Austria made off with 50,000 worth of milk chocolate, which is absolutely lovely, by the way.
I like that chocolate.
In a truck after convincing a factory that he was the courier.
I mean, I'm surprised more people don't do that.
Like most businesses don't check.
I remember reading about what was it?
They actually do do that.
I remember hearing about someone who went into universities and just wore like a high vis jacket and just started taking the computer monitors from the university library.
Honestly, people joke that you can put a high vis jacket on and walk in anywhere in the world.
A lot of the time, it does actually work.
That's not advice.
I don't get any ideas.
That's not advice.
I'm very much against stealing.
Think about that.
He basically used the Jedi trick.
So he looks like he was an individual.
He did the Obi Wan thing and he convinced them that they should give it to him.
So he says, a thief in Austria tricked a factor into giving him a 20 ton truckload of chocolate.
Police confirmed on Thursday.
In recent years, we have seen a number of individual cases where loaded trucks never arrived, also containing chocolate.
But what happens to the truck?
You know what?
I'm becoming more and more convinced.
What this is underground criminal bars need snacks too.
This is just, they can't buy them themselves.
What's the point of, you know, criminal underworld and making money from illegal stuff if then you've got to spend it on confectionery to have behind the bar, right?
So you steal that too.
Why?
For the thrill.
Are you familiar with the name Joby Paul?
No.
Nope.
Well, you're going to become familiar with it.
So, extra.
Eggs.
I don't know why that made me laugh.
Extravagant theft.
That is a terrible.
Man convicted of stealing nearly 200,000 chocolate eggs.
That's in 2023.
That's a high profile chocolate heist in the UK.
He's just furious that they're only sold once a year at certain times.
So, if you eat one of those, you start to feel sick.
Like two, you're basically going to vomit.
I've never liked a cream egg personally.
I like them, but they're very rich.
Look at this here.
A man has been convicted of stealing.
They actually caught him, which is good for English justice, for British justice.
Presumably, they could hear the trombone player following him everywhere he went.
I've never heard of the name Joby before.
If you're called Joe B and you're watching this, I'm sorry, but I've never heard that name.
I didn't know that wasn't me either.
It's like that Simpsons episode where he's bought.
Yeah.
I was talking about that sketch yesterday.
Well, great minds.
So he was convicted of stealing nearly 200K chocolate eggs worth around £40,000 in what British police have dubbed an extravagant theft.
I'm not sure the police did that.
This is what the police did.
This is what we spend our tax money on, damn it.
The pun department of the police have been working on that one for ages.
We don't have to live like this.
Joby Poole, 32, pleaded guilty in court on Tuesday to criminal damage and theft.
West Murcia police said in a statement: Tens of thousands of Cadbury cream eggs, a cult British chocolate egg with a white and yellow soft fondant centre, were stolen from a unit in Stafford Park in Telford, Western England, on Saturday, according to police.
Everyone knows of cream eggs.
They're not a cult.
Classic, they're widespread, they're everywhere.
Uh, and the chocolate wasn't recovered, yeah.
They uh, they they reacted instantly.
They find a trail of foil leading to the man's house, yeah.
Now, just couldn't resist, he had to start before he even got there.
He was there, like unable to move, unable to flee because he is in a coma.
From sorry, here is where I'm at my mid schizo level.
This is the art, the an article from the eater.com of 2016.
It says, Crime Ring bust uncovers an entire trackload of stolen Nutella, along with drugs, guns, and dozens of luxury cars.
So they haven't traced this.
This was for the hors d'oeuvres when they celebrate a heist gone well.
Meme Hell One Else00:10:56
That's what I'm telling you, man.
Yeah.
So they don't link it directly to the 2013 heist, although they mention the heist here in the article, but they don't say it was them.
But one of the things is that it could be the case that.
You know, crime rings are doing this just for deal sweeteners.
I thought of another.
Maybe, you know, just there's a.
I'm going to buy drugs from you, or you're going to buy drugs from me.
And if you buy drugs at this excellent price, here's some Nutella as well.
I mean, that's good service, at least.
That's probably what they're doing.
I'm not justified.
I could believe it.
You want several kilograms of cocaine?
How about some Nutella?
Yeah.
Why don't they find them?
I imagine what they're probably doing is that they're shipping it off outside of Europe to perhaps somewhere like.
Africa or the Middle East that don't care about the fact that they're stolen.
And I imagine it'll be in some sort of shipping boat or something like that, along with lots of other stolen goods as a way of getting them out of Europe where they would be found out.
And I imagine that's quite lucrative.
I imagine that Africa has an appetite for Nutella and chocolate, to be honest.
And I think that this segment has been incredibly black pilling.
So I want us to end with memes.
Okay.
The 25 funniest memes about the 413,793 stolen Kit Kats.
And let's look here.
What's the meme?
Is this a meme?
Yeah.
These memes?
I think these are BuzzFeed.
This is the preamble, isn't it?
Yeah, somewhere between Italy and Poland.
Exactly.
This is the kind of criminal behavior that I'm talking about.
Anybody who bites into a Kit Kat like that, capital punishment.
I like to do it to just psych people out because it's just seen as blasphemous in Britain.
Well, it's just not right and proper, is it?
I know, but I'm a hellraiser.
The only one that you're cheating, Josh, is yourself.
Can anyone suggest a recipe making use of 414,000 Kit Kats asking for a friend?
Anyone want anything from the fridge?
Oil shortage, Kit Kat shortage.
When it rains, it pours.
Yeah, that one's familiar.
I really like this with, yeah.
Ryanair.
What the hell?
Yeah.
You know that Ryanair have changed their Twitter account now.
They're.
Apparently, or was that an April Fool's joke?
I don't know.
Are they like a meme account now?
Maybe they could spend a bit more money on some actual comfortable seats rather than on their social media manager.
They could do that.
Yeah.
Just saying.
Domino's Pizza says we would like to share our thoughts and condolences with KitKat following the recent sad news.
A completely unrelated note, we're pleased to announce we'll now be selling a new KitKat pizza.
So it's basically a feeding frenzy for brand accounts.
Yeah.
Check it out.
Check it out.
No, it's just funny.
Yeah.
Where the hell did all these kit cut bars come from?
Either way, the Kremnels are going to end behind bars.
Yeah, this is all just brands making puns now, isn't it?
BuzzFeed, what is going on here?
I thought you told me that BuzzFeed was shutting down a few years ago, Josh.
What's going on?
Oh, someone bought them.
Oh, bollocks.
They were going to shut down.
And on that bombshell, let's get to the Rumble Rants and video comments.
All right, we got lots of Rumble Rants for that one, interestingly enough.
Oh, my God.
We got loads for that one.
Thank you all very much.
Sigilstone, where were the other Kit Kats going?
Random name, I know where the Kit Kats went after meeting you in real life.
The cameras work wonders on you, Josh.
Well, thank you.
I'm sorry that was him, not me, saying that, although I do agree.
The funny thing is, at the start of the live event, lots of people said, Josh, you're shorter than I expected.
And then at the end of the night, people said, Josh, you're taller than I expected.
I only got taller than they expected from people.
It was weird.
It was like I grew as the night went on.
And all of a sudden, people were like, actually.
What happened is, as people drank and drank and drank and started slouching and sinking more and more, you appeared bigger.
Yes, my tolerance to alcohol won supreme there.
Makes sense.
Do you want to read them, Stelios?
Yep.
Okay, so that's a random name.
We just read that one Sigilstone and above.
Sigilstone says, on an unrelated note, I have a couple truck trailers and the truck itself for sale, recently spray painted, looking for offload fast, willing to negotiate in exchange for Butterfinger Buzz.
Yeah, I think it's more likely that they're stealing the transportation, which has a better ability to be sold on than the Kit Kats themselves.
Yeah, let me.
It's just.
Amusingly fat criminals.
Bald Eagle 1787 says, Man, the economy has gone so bad that kit cut bars are being used as currency now.
What's next?
Snickers?
Bubblegum?
Where does the madness end?
I mean, these criminals just have their fingers in so many pies.
These fat criminals.
The next one requires a response from you, Josh.
Okay.
That's a random name says, Josh is so fat, he falls from both sides of the bed.
He's so fat that when he jumps, we get an eclipse.
He's so fat that running around him gives you a loading screen.
It's all true.
I don't have a flat stomach.
I'm actually enormous.
It's all just an optical illusion and camera trickery.
Ochik dua.
I've read that one already.
Okay.
Segment.
Bold Eagle 1787 says, You should rename yourself to Bold Eagle 413793.
Sounds like the thieves who took the Nutella are spreading out to be other forms of chocolate and candy now.
See myself out.
Come on.
Sage also 17.
So in Europe, whole semi trailers are disappearing into thin air.
Meanwhile, in the US, if you get too close to a semi out comes the sword off and you join Jimmy Hoffa.
Fake pages, the surreal twister.
Funny the lures didn't have a tracker.
Are the police having a picnic?
These are some good retro chocolate shout outs there.
Bold Eagle again.
I like this comment.
In all seriousness, Stelios is partially correct.
I actually partially like it.
The stolen food can be used to pack a front for the guns, drugs, et cetera, to get through customs in other countries.
That's a good point.
Yeah.
The Kit Kats themselves are trackable.
So what now?
Guess I'll have to eat them.
That's a random name again.
Josh is so massive.
He bends life like a black hole.
Note that he only starts making all of these comments the moment he's back in Quebec or wherever the hell he's from.
Yeah, he didn't make these jokes in person, did you, eh?
We have several videos.
Many videos.
Yeah, we've got quite a few.
Oh my god!
My laptop's very squeaky.
Oh, come on.
I suppose all those melted Kit Kats do it no favours.
Oh, as expected.
This is what you missed, Stelios.
You're not exactly.
By the way, Wiltshire909 mentioned the event was attended by Carl and me and no one else.
No one else.
So we know who the most important Dieter after Carl is.
No, it's just because you're such a staple of Swindon now.
That's way worse than calling me fat.
There you go.
Way more offended by that.
Your average Swindon man.
No diseases!
Well, actually, a lot of people seemed to have a lot of better things to do given that the turnout was terrible.
To be fair, I saw lots of people having fun with the counter protesters.
Didn't we see that one yesterday, Samson?
Did you actually not hear that?
No, we didn't hear anything.
We did hear that, and I'm pretty certain, actually, looking at the lineup of video files that I've got in front of me, that most of these.
Are probably the same as yesterday, but you can go ahead anyway and play a few of them.
Maybe you've opened yesterday's folder.
Yes, it appears that these are the same as yesterday.
Okay, all right, read some comments in the meantime and we'll get back to the video comments, I guess.
Peter Hitchens smoking all the weed in the world, so there's no left for anyone else.
That is a brilliant name.
The problem with Hungary is the same problem.
The rest of the democratic world shares, even if a base government gets power and attempts to fix all the problems, come the next election, all of that progress could be easily wiped away.
Well, I don't think that's necessarily a problem with Hungary.
I think that's just a problem with the way democracy works.
Yes, it's not a dictatorship.
I think that's the complaint that he's coming with.
Peter Hitchens, I'm not surprised.
Michael says on Josh's segment, sounds like Magyar is a bit of a Rupert Lowe type for Hungary.
I wouldn't necessarily put it that way because.
He's quite pro Europe, and I think Rupert is pro Brexit.
Tired of the corruption and pushed out of the main party.
He left willingly from the main party, decides to make his own party.
He joined someone else's party.
Sorry, I'm being a real pedant here.
Accuracy is good.
No, he joined a pre existing party, but the party has only existed for two years.
But he joined relatively recently, and they made him the leader because of his press releases and the fact he was an insider that turned against them.
And as I said, it's a Protest party, a sort of coalition of lots of different ideologies.
And he says Ursula von der Leyen may be a bit premature in thinking that this is a major change.
I think that much is certainly true.
I think that lots of people were premature in their congratulations, and he could, in theory, be worse.
Yeah, I think those three bottom videos might be ones that we didn't see yesterday.
Play Vadriga's one, and we'll see.
In the meantime, he's gone.
In the meantime, Janvi says, Good morning, Stelios, Harry, and Josh.
Hope you enjoyed the live event.
Oh, Stelios is smashing the place up in excitement.
Hungary's architecture is definitely beautiful.
I saw pictures of the Parliament building, and it's possibly one of the best ones.
It is, and it was based on ours, except it's slightly taller than ours.
But they did that to commemorate, I think, 1856 or something.
Radicalised Hungry Kat Thief00:03:57
No, commemorate the person who tried to blow up ours.
Exactly.
No, but I think they based some of the architecture on our own out of admiration of our system, which was quite flattering.
And it's also an incredibly beautiful building, inside and out.
I was fortunate enough to have a tour of the Parliament building, even behind the scenes.
And it was, you know, even like the lifts were the most ornate and beautiful lifts I'd ever seen.
Lovely.
Jimbo G. Josh, what radicalised you?
Hungry.
Kit Kat Thief, what radicalised you?
I was hungry.
I am the Kit Kat thief.
It's here.
I'm out.
Anyway, we only have so much time.
So maybe read some of the Woke Away ones.
Oh, okay.
Never mind.
Oh, this one was one we watched yesterday.
All right.
I'm shooting this video as I literally just came home Monday evening.
Just wanted to say.
Speakers aren't under the desk anymore, they're over there, and they are turned on.
I just checked, so it'll be a software thing, I think.
Yep, we can hear you though, strangely enough.
Samson, just narrate the video comments to well, give me the thing because Samson's messing about.
Samson is interpreting, I don't have anything, it's all here.
Each time woke resurges, it will move slightly further.
Towards its ultimate goal, society does not have time to fully correct between resurgences.
That is a good point.
George Happ, I already wasn't going to watch the Malcolm reboot because of Brian Cranston, but it figures that it's woke trash.
Don't give your time or money to people who hate you.
Agreed.
Maria Manzi, wokeness is not dead and buried, rather like all subversive operations.
Active measures, it will hide but continue to recruit and promote within organizations.
Useful idiots, unless HR within the state are purged completely, you will not be dead and buried.
Someone online, Malcolm in the Middle already has a sequel where the dad makes meth.
True, well worth your time.
Ewan Baker, the episode where Francis is dressed as a woman is Lois imagining if all of her kids can be girls and then realizing she's happy they were all boys.
That's right, and that's the point, isn't it?
The fact that, again, taking us way back a decade in time, people taking obvious jokes out of context to make it seem like it was being progressive or something.
Believe it or not, about 10 or 15 years ago, someone truing out is not a good thing to anyone.
Furious Dan, the boys is the perfect example of pizza cutter stories.
All edge, no point.
See what you did there.
Butterknife Permit Registry.
Considering Seth Rogen is a producer for the boys, I'm not surprised about its degeneracy.
Invincible is so much better, even if he voices Alan.
Pretty sure Invincible is also produced by him.
Perhaps not to the same extent, but I'm pretty sure there's a lot of overlap between the creators there.
Either way.
But then again, Invincible has Robert Kirkman's involvement rather than Garth Enos's.
Starmer's New Rent Boy, what do you do with 12 tons of stolen Kit Kat?
Hold it for ransom, of course.
Sophie Liv says, honestly, they'll probably just sell them either on Facebook Marketplace, which has been rife for reselling of stolen goods for ages, and Facebook just doesn't care.
Starmer's New Rent Boy again says, remember that time Nislam marketed free baby milk formula in developing countries?
The samples lasted just long enough for the mothers to stop producing milk.
Forcing them to buy the formula once the freebies were over.
Not only this, but it required mixing with the unsafe drinking water available to the families, leading to much increased infant mortality.
Cool.
I didn't know that.
Only Nestle were into eugenics.
Every Kit Breaking News00:03:32
That's a good fact.
Justin B says the police investigating the Kit Kat robbery are hoping for a break in the case.
Oh, you're all getting your dad jokes.
Jordy Sorsman says, no, F.
No, no.
Sorry.
I saw.
I saw luck with an F instead of an L.
No luck finding them Kit Kats then.
It's just the one selling enormous Kit Kat, actually.
One giant Kit Kat.
Anonymous says, in truth, it's probably stolen for money laundering in the minority cornerstones stores or whatever they're called in Europe.
Lord Inquisitor Hector X. Hello, man.
The Fast and Furious saga has fallen on hard times.
Again, he says, every Kit Kat story is breaking news.
I'm not going to talk about it for this time.
Every Kit Kat story is breaking news.
I like this.
We need the slot siren and the Kit Kat thing.
Yeah, let's play.
Will it work now?
I'm shooting this video as I literally just came home Monday evening.
Just wanted to say thank you for a lovely evening.
It was amazing meeting everyone.
I can't believe there were actually people just wanted to talk to me.
So I'll try to be better at making video comments because I had a fantastic night.
Worth the trip.
Thank you, everybody.
Thank you very much for flying all the way over, to be honest.
I was very surprised people made such long distance trips to make it, but it's very flattering.
Yeah, it was great meeting you.
Absolutely.
Thanks everyone for the live event.
It was a blast from turning up and seeing the dad's army of protests out front to meeting so many.
Here we have the Rustin Banana Cat.
Rustin, as you can tell, I see him from a long day of goofing off.
Sorry for my accent, but I am trying my hardest to be David Ettebra.
This is very much like early YouTube, and it's making me nostalgic.
This is a really lovely cat.
Yeah.
is a very chill cat if I put something on a cat's head like that and then shove the camera straight in his face this looks like a new one
I'm reminded of Leslie Nielsen with naked guns oh okay This is like therapy of old England.
This is wholesome, deep England.
I appreciate this stuff.
I'm not sure why I noticed this, or even where I'm going with the thought, but every single one of the BBC articles that discusses the war in Ukraine.
Describes it exactly as the full scale invasion.
Like, why?
Why that specific phrase?
I'd imagine it's an editorial guideline and they are probably doing it to emphasize what they see as the severity of the conflict.
Donbass Least Remember00:00:26
And also, it makes it distinct from in 2014 when they randomly turned up without insignias and just sort of occupied parts of the Crimea and the Donbass.
And at least that's what I remember.
It was such a long time ago that I can't remember what they actually did.
I think that's all of the new video comments that we had, and we have just run slightly over time.
So we're going to have to call it there, friends.
Thank you very much for joining us, and we'll see you again tomorrow.