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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of Little Seaters for Monday, the 29th of September 2025.
	I'm joined by Ferris and Ben Habib of the Advance UK Party.
	And today, it's Monday, but it's also a very good day because Labour is completely falling apart.
	Everything's going really, really bad for them.
	They're getting screwed on every front.
	And to be honest with you, I'm here for it.
	I don't know about you, Ben.
	You know, you might be a big big Labour supporter, but uh I'm glad to see that.
	Do I look like a Labour supporter?
	No, not from this angle.
	No, I'm I'm glad to see them absolutely getting uh hammered on every front.
	Uh and uh but before we begin, you advance had their uh big announcement conference this week.
	Yeah, so we launched, officially launched yesterday.
	We we we had a soft launch in June when we revealed the existence of the party, but we imposed a hurdle on ourselves with thirty thousand members before we would apply to the electoral commission to become an actual registered political party.
	Yep.
	And uh once we had that 30,000 figure in our sights, I thought we'll you know organise a launch which we had in Newcastle yesterday.
	Um it was very successful.
	We had some uh headwinds last week when the hotel we'd booked suddenly discovered that they didn't like the cut of our jib and they cancelled us.
	Right.
	Um so we had some last-minute headaches, but we got a fantastic venue in a restaurant that was obviously prepared to um align itself with those that are now deemed far right if they hold any view other than a far left one.
	And uh anyway, we had a very successful launch yesterday.
	Excellent.
	Thank you.
	Well I'm glad to hear that, because uh Labour didn't.
	Uh Labour are currently uh going through their um their uh uh party conference and I mean we won't watch it, it's absolutely abysmal.
	Like if people thought that the reform party conference, what's her name doing that song was bad, this is way worse.
	Uh but um you you you reasonably well attended Labour conference, obviously, and uh you have various people bloviating about how they're gonna fix the country.
	But the thing is, the public just aren't buying this, right?
	So I mean, you know, it's at the moment Nigel Farage is his time in the sun, but we are told repeatedly that reform is Nigel Farage, so when he decides he's had enough, we're gonna need alternatives.
	But the point, as you can see here, is that uh Labour are screwed.
	They're absolutely screwed.
	And this is just another poll in the long line of polls of the past year that have shown that Labour are going to get crushed the next time an election is called.
	And they know it.
	And so Labour are kind of like wily coyote, who's run out on the ledge and is just waiting for gravity to take effect.
	No, no, I I really mean this as a genuinely serious metaphor.
	They they they've got the momentum because they're in this in government, but everyone can tell that their feet aren't actually grounded on anything.
	Yeah.
	And so at some point, they are they're going to come crashing down.
	Because I mean Keir Starmer is actually now the most unpopular Prime Minister on record.
	Deservedly so, I think.
	Yes.
	100%.
	I mean, obviously he completely deserves it.
	But there's as I was saying earlier, they've they've been in power officially for a year, but in reality, this project has been in power for 30 years.
	Exactly.
	And it's been the same ideas, very stale ideas, very wrong, false ideas that have been in control, and the 14 years of um conservative government in no way changed anything, had zero impact on the state and consensus within the state that was built by Tony Blair.
	And that's why they're already so exhausted, because they have nothing to offer.
	Uh I think your starmer recently, or a couple of months ago, asked the various regulators what their suggestions for increasing growth would be.
	That's extraordinary.
	Regulators who are an imposition on growth are meant to yield the entire job.
	The entire job is to inhibit growth.
	Exactly.
	So you're really scraping the barrel for ideas at that point.
	Exactly.
	And I'm surprised that Ms. Reeves hasn't sort of figured it out yet.
	But the coyote needs to recognise, as you rightly say, that the way to save himself is to change direction.
	Stop running off the cliff and dis and go the other way, which is what the British electorate want.
	They keep voting for politicians to do the opposite.
	It is remarkable, isn't it?
	Just a quick thing on here.
	I'm surprised how Liz Truss has only got uh 51% dissatisfaction, actually.
	Which is uh a lot better than the media would have you believe.
	Yes.
	They would have you believe that she was basically the worst thing ever to happen, which I don't think she was.
	But anyway, um so Keir Starmer is well aware that actually they're screwed.
	They're just completely screwed, and they're gonna get absolutely hammered at the next election.
	Well, uh we'll watch this quickly.
	Your Labour predecessors when he was having a bit of bother, Harold Wilson, when asked what was going on with his leadership, he said, I tell you what's going on, this government's going on and I'm going on.
	And John Major said to his critics, put up or shut up.
	What's Keir Starmer saying?
	Give me time, give me space.
	I am saying we have got the fight of our lives ahead of us because we've got to take on reform, we've got to beat them.
	And so now is not the time for introspection or navel gazing.
	There is a fight that we are all in together, and every single member of our party and our movement.
	Actually, everyone who cares about what this country is, whether they vote Labour or otherwise, it's the fight of our lives for who we are as a country.
	We need to be in that fight, united, not naval glazing.
	I'm absolutely clear in my mind about that, and that's what we're gonna be talking about at the conference.
	I think if you wanted to sort of summarize Keir Starmer's personality, now is not the time for introspection.
	That's a good summary.
	Don't think about it, just do it.
	He's there to implement something which he is possessed by he doesn't want to even think about it in any way.
	Well he's a pure creature of the system.
	Yes.
	It's not just that he has been born and raised and molded by the system.
	He truly believes in the system...
	I mean, look what he's saying here, right?
	He he views Nigel Farage as the end of Blairism.
	He views Nigel Farage as the end of this great project of I wish it were true.
	I the amount of time they're like Nigel Farage, I call reform hard right now, Mark.
	I wish.
	Yeah.
	We wish.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, just okay, but but let's that's their perception of it, right?
	Their perception is that Nigel Farage represents a paradigmatic shift away from the politics of nineteen ninety-seven onwards, right?
	And they they recognise that actually the country has just had enough because there's no one else they can point to because like you say, they've been in power for thirty years and they have.
	There's no one else they can point to to say, well, it's your fault that the country's terrible.
	No, it's your fault.
	And the your fault and your fault and your fault.
	And you know, it's it's all your faults, and the the the chickens have come home to roost.
	Well, what's really interesting to me as well is that in that quote he hasn't once thought to mention that perhaps it's the way they're governing that's the problem.
	You know, he sees the fight as entirely with another political party, and it's just a matter of beating that political party, not doing something differently ourselves.
	Well, he he he recognises that the other political or he thinks the other political party represents the end of the sort of managerial paradigm entirely.
	And so for him, this is an existential threat, actually.
	And so it it is more than just beating another political party.
	It's actually uh political survival saving the system.
	Saving the system itself.
	That's that's what I think he views it as genuinely.
	And honestly, you can see why he thinks this.
	Now, he he said the other day that he saw the United Kingdom rally, which you spoke, uh, and he was terrified by it because he realized far right.
	Well, if you can if you can get like a million far right people out in the streets.
	And two and a half million watching online, three and a half million far right people in this country.
	And and then Elon Musk calling in and all these other things, you realise okay, there has been a sea change in politics, actually.
	The British public have had enough and they're changing their minds on things, and he's gonna be on the outside of this, which is why they're all uh f falsely saying, Oh no, we're the real patriots, guys.
	Like you nobody thinks you're patriots.
	Everyone thinks that you love Davos.
	Uh and so yeah, so you you saw uh well we see uh lots of protests.
	This is at the Labour Party conference, and you can see that basically all of Labour's enemies are coming to get them.
	So I mean this doesn't look terribly different to the United Kingdom rally.
	You can see the no to digital ID people there, you can see people with our farmers, people celebrating the death of Labour, lots of England flags, lots of British flags.
	You can see it's the same sorts of people, and you've got um various other ones, you've got the farmers' protests there, and again, this is another good one.
	So you see, the the the farmers have got the England flag there now.
	Yeah.
	So you can see all of the enemies of Labour are realizing actually aren't we all on the same team?
	Pretty much.
	We're all pro Britain.
	And we're all crying out for a government that will actually represent the interests of the people of this country.
	Sounds wild.
	I know it's a wild proposition.
	Nigel Farage is on the horizon.
	Oh my god.
	More than the interests.
	More more sorry, m more than the interests.
	I've always found it fascinating.
	The left's hatred of hereditary lords and the left's hatred of farmers.
	Because they represent memory, they represent ancestry, they represent continuity, belonging.
	They are the people genuinely attached to the land, and therefore the natural source of healthy, natural nationalism.
	And that's why the minute they're in power, they start sort of finding ways to stab them, be it in the Blair years trying to sort of get rid of more and more hereditary lords and uh that kind of thing, but also killing farmers with regulations, and now the inheritance tax.
	So it's a war on memory and identity that they're engaged in.
	Oh yes.
	And they've identified the target correctly.
	It's it's religion and the landed population.
	These are their two enemies.
	That's why they find the flag offensive.
	That's why they find the flag offensive.
	And so what what I love about this is I mean, this is a big protest.
	Like you know, there's a couple of thousand people that have turned up to protest the Labour Party conference.
	I mean, the the Conservative Party conference gets protested by like a handful of weirdos.
	Yes.
	You know, it's just uh you know, maybe a hundred at most that you'll see like idiots.
	Yeah, you know, the UKIP Party conference get fifty people turn out to just go, Oh, you're racist.
	You know, like it was very small, very trivial.
	This is not small and trivial.
	No.
	If I were the Labour Party, I'd be like, okay, why are the working people of England all getting around?
	And not just England either, but why are they all getting around and like realising they're all on the same team and against us?
	Yep.
	This is a real problem for the Labour Party, and it looks like a party that's under siege, out of time, and with nowhere else to go.
	They've got no firm ground stand on, they've got no real constituency that they represent, and yet for some reason they're in power.
	And this was one of the things.
	Going back to the the conference speeches.
	So I watched all of the first days' conference speeches.
	The conference is still going on today, so we'll probably cover it tomorrow.
	I did.
	You must be a sucker.
	Five hours of it.
	Well, it was it no no, the thing is, it was kind of fascinating.
	Because on the one hand, they're like, yeah, Keir Starmer delivered us this incredible victory.
	It's like, did he did he, yeah, fewer votes than 2019?
	Yeah, fewer votes than Jeremy Corbyn.
	Yeah.
	And what actually happened for Keir Starmer to get his thing?
	Well, Nigel Farage came in and slide tackled the Conservative Party.
	Yes.
	That's how they got their majority.
	And everyone can see it.
	It's there in the stats, everyone can feel it.
	Everyone knew that was the case.
	And yet, not once is this mentioned at the Labour Party conference.
	And they haven't got the presence of mind to take that on board.
	No, they should have taken their victory and understood right.
	That wasn't a genuine victory.
	Yeah.
	And we we need to adjust the way we govern if we wish to stay in power.
	Or think about this.
	We could go balls to the wall, full right, reduce throttle.
	Yeah, full throttle.
	We can reduce voting to sixteen, we can bring in digital IDs, we can do this, we can do that, we can do the other.
	We can go mad because we'll never rule again.
	And they will not rule again.
	Next government will definitely not come from their end of the political spectrum.
	100%.
	And they and the thing is, why would you ever vote for Labour again?
	Like there are all if you're a radical leftist, there are alternative radical left-wing parties that will actually be authentically left wing, thank God, and a little cul-de-sac.
	Theyzku laws imploded already.
	I know, but the Green the Greens seem to be doing okay, they're at 13%.
	So you know good luck to the Greens.
	But they the sort of Blairite consensus has died.
	Yes.
	No one supports this anymore.
	And so the the question is what comes next, and the question is how long is it until they accept that that's the case.
	But they they've gone honestly full bore on this.
	I like one of the one of the things, of course, they never accept that actually um it's them and some they they said they they've got this loveless government purely by chance.
	They don't accept this.
	Uh they think Keir Starmer delivered this great victory.
	Completely complete lack of humility.
	Completely.
	That is exactly and coupled with stupidity.
	Yes.
	Because the numbers speak for themselves.
	They usually go together.
	They do go together.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Hubris and stupidity.
	Another thing they didn't talk about is the polls.
	They didn't talk about the polls.
	They they would say things like, We appreciate that we have a challenge on the horizon.
	We understand this is a challenging moment.
	It's like challenging moment.
	You're about to get dragged out by a crowd and shot.
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah, it's a challenging moment.
	You know, like and they but they kept saying things like, Well, we're against the politics of division.
	It's like, okay, so that is in a word just means agree with us or you're against us.
	Exactly.
	That's that's all that means.
	And uh they they kept saying things like we will mobilize the full power of the state.
	It's like, oh God, please don't.
	You know, that's the the last thing, the last thing anyone wants is the voice state power.
	Exactly, it's more state advanced in their lives.
	Like, that's just you just don't understand why everyone hates you.
	Uh anyway, so yeah, the the protests were quite large, really, and you had people driving around the vans, which is something Labour started, but this is uh an innovation of Labour's that has been turned on them, which is a lesson, really, isn't it?
	Labour.
	Uh but then you got then you start getting the journalists tweeting like off-handed comments from within the conference itself.
	And some of these I think are the best bits.
	So one person at the Labour conference quote, I've been surprised that opposition to ID cards, especially on civil liberties grounds.
	I thought we'd moved on from that.
	After COVID, I thought people will were willing to accept more government intervention into their lives.
	Jeez.
	I mean, that absolutely reveals their mindset.
	Read the room.
	Yeah.
	After COVID, we thought you were okay with uh papers.
	And making you scan QR chords to go into shops, and sort of policing your every breath.
	Why why are you objecting to digital ideas?
	I wonder.
	It's insane how they don't understand.
	It's the laptop.
	I'm amazed it's only had 408 comments.
	That's a great point.
	But this this is just remarkable that you I can't believe that there are people in the Labour Party don't understand why people don't want overbearing state.
	What like how is it you still don't get it?
	But it really is like one of those things.
	Uh another one.
	Uh all the feedback I'm getting from the Labour Party conference is not if Starmer will resign, it's when he will resign, because the party expects to get wiped out of the local elections on the 6th of May.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	No kidding.
	Like the idea that they thought, oh yeah, well, we just have the full spectrum digital ID and everyone will be okay with that.
	So there's there are lots of things that the British public will tolerate, but digital but a full but uh literally a papers please style ID is never been one of them.
	And it's all like Tony Blair couldn't get it in at the height of his power.
	Yes.
	What Keir Starmer at the very nadier of his power thinks he can do with this is ridiculous.
	And uh this was my favorite one.
	Overheard at the Labour conference, we do the door knocking, get told to F off.
	It's daily F off now, because everyone hates us.
	Surprise.
	Surprise, surprise.
	Well, you must have.
	Someone's getting it.
	But is it filtering to the leadership?
	Are they are they aware?
	I have seen no evidence whatsoever that the leadership understands this.
	Now, I I think that they do, right?
	I think they actually do on uh a subconscious level at the very least, and probably on a more sort of rational level.
	I think they do.
	But they they've decided that they're gonna try and tough it out, they're gonna put on a brave front, you know, lock arms and say, nope, we all agree that actually everything's going great, the Labour plan is going to work, we're just gonna raise your taxes a little bit more, uh, says Rachel Reeves.
	Stiff upper lip while they all break down in tears of parliament.
	While while the ship goes down.
	And the only problem is the electorate, they just won't vote properly.
	Yeah, that that is if only we had smarter voters.
	Oh, wait, let's import them.
	Which has been the Labour manifesto for about 30 years now, as you pointed out.
	So, yeah, the the whole thing is it it it is emblematic of a party that is just surrounded, and it feels like uh the sort of the the Jewish zealots at Masada or whatever it was, where they're like, right, what what's our plan?
	It's like what suicide pact?
	I don't know.
	Like, what are we gonna do?
	Because there's nowhere to go.
	The the army, the Roman army is surrounding them, they've got no exit.
	And so like they go on TV and they give these crazy little um uh interviews where they're like, Well, can you rule out increasing VAT?
	And Rachel is like, no, obviously not.
	If you're going to raise VAT even more, well, the autumn budget's coming and they need money.
	They're desperate for money, they're gonna crash the whole thing, they're gonna crash the whole thing.
	And they get them to cut costs.
	No, It just hasn't entered their psyche.
	It never br it never comes up.
	It never comes up.
	There are two sides to this equation, right?
	Exactly.
	But that's the thing.
	When Starmer tried to do very modest welfare cuts, his whole backbenches revolted against him and made him stop.
	So the the MPs of Labour, the parliamentary party, they are more extreme than the activists.
	Or they are a perfect reflection of the activists.
	And remember, every time, like you this trust was brought up like four or five times throughout this conference.
	Yes.
	And it's like, okay, she ruled for what a month.
	Yes.
	You know, she had a very modest set of uh costs, and the you know the Conservative Party tanked her, and she's being used as like this emblematic figure as you don't want to be like Liz Trusty.
	It's like, what do you mean?
	You don't want very minor tax cuts.
	Absolutely.
	And I want major tax cuts.
	What are you talking about?
	What they accused her of, which was unfunded tax cuts of around 40 billion.
	Yes.
	Was exceeded by the unfunded spending commitments made by Labour in the last budget.
	Yes.
	And no one puts the two together.
	But they have the bond markets did.
	Things are worse.
	And interest rates are higher than they were under Liz ever under Liz Truss.
	And but it comes back to what you were saying.
	It's the reversal of their ideal ideological commitments that they fear so much.
	They want to borrow tax and spend, and anyone who gets in the way of that is a is a is a problem.
	And the lunacy of intersectionality.
	The problem that they have as a bunch of communists and frankly degenerates, is that when they admit one error on one front, they'll have to admit it on all fronts.
	The whole thing unravels.
	Exactly.
	And that's why you saw uh Jonathan Willoughby, who now goes by the name India, threatening one of the Pakistani MPs that um if you say that I'm not really a woman, I'll say that you're not really British.
	And so there's a there's a suicide pact in place.
	There's a suicide.
	If you tell the truth about me, I'm gonna say the truth about you.
	Don't you dare.
	And so they're all locked into it together.
	We're all going to die together.
	It it sort of puts Hamas to shame because at least some Hamas leaders run.
	So it's that's what it is.
	So I mean look at Rachel Reeves's face here.
	You can see the kind of desperation and exasperation in her position, right?
	Like and everyone's face looked like this.
	They all were like just this this kind of end row.
	That's right.
	Well it's an improvement on the lower quiv quivering lip, isn't it?
	I suppose it's tiers and the front bench.
	I suppose it is.
	But they they you know, they they're constantly promising that oh, we're gonna have uh, you know, uh a library in every school, we'll have free school meals.
	That look, none of these things are the problem with this country.
	No, it's not that children in schools are starving to death or are unable to access textbooks or something like this.
	These are not the problems.
	What these are are sort of old Labour boondoggles that you just think, oh, these sound good and everyone will agree with these.
	And it's like, okay, but not if they come at the constant expense of taxes rising, which they do.
	Yep.
	Uh the one interesting thing so far was Andy Burnham giving a little speech.
	Now I would play it, but the audio on this is atrocious.
	Uh but he does point out that Keir Starmer has created a climate of fear within the Labour Party.
	And that's self-evidently true.
	I mean, when he came into power in the Labour Party before they were elected, he just started, well, excising those elements that he considered unacceptable, basically, the Corbinistas.
	Uh he kicked them all.
	I mean he kicked out Corbyn and he nearly kicked out Diane Abbott and various others.
	And he's clearly ruling the party with an iron fist.
	Yeah.
	And this has created this kind of atmosphere.
	And I think this is the reason why on the stage, people could only say hypothetically positive things, like things that they think would be, you know, we've got to put on the brave face.
	We can't really have, as he said, introspection into the the current circumstances of the Labour Party now, because that would be to admit any kind of weakness or failure, and like you said, the whole thing starts unraveling.
	You can start uh talking about how there are weaknesses and problems in the Labour Party.
	And so Andy Burnham, who is obviously challenging Keir Starmer, is uh the one person I heard, and he's not even on the main stage, he's in like a side room, uh speaking, he's got a packed room.
	I'll I'll get the uh I'll get it up just so you can see.
	One thing I am worried about the audience.
	In my view, is how can you have an open debate about all those things if there's too much of a climate of fear within our party and the way the party is being run.
	How do you get right about elections?
	You can see it's a very well-attended sort of side uh you know breakout room, whatever they call them.
	Um but the the point being is that obviously you can feel the fragility of the Labour Party this year.
	Yes.
	They've decided no, we've got to all lock in and just and as as they say there's just effing, do it, just do things, just do that.
	It's interesting to hear him argue in favour of debate when government policy right across the nation is to shut down freedom of speech.
	I mean literally Andy Burnham's equally guilty of the whole thing.
	They're all guilty of not being prepared to debate the main issues.
	Absolutely.
	And and this we'll get into that later, in fact, uh how they've been shutting down debate.
	But you see this everywhere.
	I mean, like you look at who's been arrested in the past three weeks or so.
	Yeah and it's it's from every political angle.
	It's just like God, we've got enemies everywhere.
	We need to just you know grab them all.
	Um so the point being I just wanted to end with this.
	It was just it it's actually I'm really enjoying watching the Labour Party squirm.
	I'm really enjoying watching them, desperately trying to figure out how they can get out of the fact that they have ruined the country, this is the end of the Blair Wright project, and that just everyone is in arms against them.
	Yeah, it's genuinely w wonderful to watch.
	And they they they just reek of desperation at this point, which is another thing that I like to see in my political enemies.
	Anyway, uh Burning Beard says, I hear X just banned the Ugov account for threatening to arrest citizens.
	I don't believe that.
	I don't believe that.
	I I haven't seen that.
	Uh Ben, good luck with your party.
	You and Rupert are the best m are the member at need.
	Unfortunately, I think Nigel will be a letdown.
	Well you don't have to tell persuade us, mate.
	Um I mean, on the plus side, Nigel did come out and say he was against the digital IDs, so that's something.
	Yeah, but that was encouraging.
	Yeah.
	I I think the positive thing about Nigel Farrright is going to be that he's going to be extremely beholden to the online right, and that this whole story of the Twitter is not real life.
	Yeah, Twitter is real life.
	It's very much real.
	It's where the really politically engaged people are.
	Exactly.
	And it filters down.
	The rest of the nation wakes up, whatever happening on Twitter today.
	Look at look at Keir Starmer.
	Yeah, look at Keir Starmer of the United Kingdom rally.
	His his whole thing is I was terrified by the scale of this rally, wherever it is.
	There we go.
	His this this interview, he he was saying that he was terrified by the scale of the rally.
	Well, that was organized via X. Yeah.
	That was organized by Tommy Robinson on Twitter.
	So it's like, no, this is real.
	Obviously, it's real people using the internet.
	Uh and so it genuinely with enough you know, the scope of it becomes something that impacts national politics, to the point where the Prime Minister himself is basically running scared of Tommy Robinson.
	Which I guess he should run scared of the million plus people, two and a half million watching online, who stand in utter opposition to the governing classes.
	Yes.
	That's what he should run scared of.
	And the right response is to change the way you're governing.
	No introspection.
	No introspective.
	No introspection.
	Thank you very much.
	Imagine the sunk cost fallacy of Killer Steiners.
	Right.
	Imagine how much he has poured his heart and soul into making the UK this thing.
	Can you imagine?
	I know his whole ideology unravels, but can you imagine how the British electorate would respond if suddenly he were to turn around and say, Look, I get it.
	We're gonna stop the dinghies, we're gonna deport people who who are here illegally detain them and deport them.
	We're cutting your taxes, we're slashing the welfare bill, we're going to empower we're ditching net zero because it clearly isn't working.
	Trump's right.
	Yeah.
	You know, everyone goes, I can't even imagine, yeah.
	Can you imagine?
	He would do better in the polls.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, people would be encouraged by that.
	But but Andy Burnham will end up becoming prime minister.
	Maybe because the parliamentary Labour Party will surely absolutely crucify.
	He's being held hostage to radicals.
	He's held hostage.
	He was part of.
	And he can't get away from it.
	But he is also a true believer in the system itself, remember.
	Like he is a true believer in the system.
	So yeah, it's it's basically I I love watching them in an impossible position.
	Because I'm not in that position myself, so it's not my problem.
	Uh and uh these people have been ruining the country.
	So it's good that I I I like the fact that finally politics has got to an inflection point where these people literally have nowhere to go.
	Right.
	There's nowhere they can run, there's no way they can hide.
	They can't put up a smokescreen, they can't, you know, pivot.
	There's nothing to pivot to.
	You've you've exhausted every angle.
	Um uh Smith says, Ben, loved your speech at the United Kingdom rally, especially the unplanned bit.
	It was a good too, I think, wasn't it?
	Well, that was the thing, yeah, exactly.
	Uh for anyone who doesn't know, uh the crowd sort of spontaneously started breaking out into a chorus of Keir Starmer as a wanker, um, which is a widely held belief.
	Um seems to be a point of consensus.
	Yeah, I mean, we we have the the polling to prove it just in case you weren't aware that uh yeah, it's very widely held.
	But um right, okay.
	Let's let's move on uh to the next part of Labour's failing project.
	Yes.
	Sure.
	So let's talk a little bit about policing in Britain, which according to Ms. Shabara Mahmoud is doing very, very well.
	Uh bravery, duty, honour, that is what makes our police officers the finest in the world.
	Uh we honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice for this country and for us all.
	Firstly, obviously we honour the people that made made a sacrifice, but obviously.
	Can we say that British police are the finest in the world these days?
	Well, it's not you know, I I hear politicians repeatedly saying we're going to improve the criminal justice system, we're going to recruit another 20,000 police officers.
	But that's not the problem.
	The problem is the police officers we've got don't know what they should be policing.
	Or certainly they're not policing the right things.
	Correct.
	You know, we get 12,000 investigations each year now into non-crime hate incidents.
	Yes.
	This is not where police efforts should be going.
	And so recruiting any number of police officers is never going to solve the problem.
	What we need is a complete root and branch reformation or restoration, rather, of uh uh of the country.
	Yes.
	So that the police understand what their job is.
	Yes.
	And this is a major problem, like the politicization of the police.
	Because uh it it comes through the College of Policing where they've essentially they're insanely woke.
	Yes.
	And they they give them instruction in things that frankly, these people are not intellectually equipped to deal with.
	No.
	Are you going to have an argument about the uh intellectual merits of transgender philosophy with a police officer?
	No, they don't know.
	They don't know what they're talking about.
	They are instruments of the criminal justice system, they're not meant to be political activists.
	Yeah, they're not going to break out Judith Butler and go, yeah, well, it is a social construct.
	Yeah, can we just have can we debate this through?
	Exactly.
	They don't know.
	And the thing is it's not fair to make them know to or to expect them to know.
	But they should be there to keep the peace and to arrest people who've broken the law.
	That's literally all they're for.
	So why are we having political conversations through the medium of the police?
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And as as Labour panics and is in complete chaos, what they're doing is obviously doubling down this and while completely ignoring crime.
	So you have this gentleman here, two men force themselves into his home.
	This is this is apparently produced some kind of fake tenancy agreement, and now he's had to move in with his parents because they've literally taken away his house.
	Police are like, yeah, this is a civil matter now.
	It's like, no, this is not.
	This is someone has stolen my house from me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, imagine if this guy had children.
	Oh my god and what do you do then?
	You just let them be homeless?
	Yeah.
	But what are the police actually working on?
	Well, they arrested Northern Variant recently for a meme that said F Hamas, F Palestine, F Islam.
	And that was the bit that got him.
	It was the bit that got him.
	But uh apparently, under the public uh order safety or whatever act of 1986 against racial hatred.
	But where's the race in any of what he said?
	I have that's the point, isn't it?
	And that's what the the Labour they're bringing in the new Islamophobia definition to do is to essentially render Islam a kind of racial property.
	So we've already got that, haven't we?
	If they're arresting people, effectively, they're imp they've already implemented the.
	But they're implementing a blasphemy law.
	Yeah, they're implemented their interpolar law.
	They they they they can be enthusiastic when it suits them.
	But it goes a bit further than that, though, because to say um Islam is a racial property of well, the Muslims, I suppose we'll call them.
	Um it is to create a kind of ontological and metaphysical declaration of what it is to be a Muslim, and therefore the Muslims can't not be Muslims.
	They're not allowed to change their opinion.
	Yes, they're not allowed to change their mind because then they would lose this status that they're protection.
	Yes, but not just that.
	Yeah, a it's the protection, but the government has kind of committed it to them.
	Yes.
	It's like saying no, you have you are this thing.
	You are now the victim.
	You're not allowed to change your mind, you're not allowed to critique Islam or anything like that.
	And so the very idea that Islam is a religion is actually not really true by the what the government interpolates it as.
	It's it's there's more to say on it, but I don't want to keep going.
	But like it it's it's actually really really perverse.
	Yes.
	It's really because Islam prides itself on the idea that it is non-racial.
	There's an enormous amount of racism in Muslim societies, but it prides itself on being non-racial.
	Um it seems that the police are just completely clueless because uh Dave Atherton and Tommy Robinson were spoken to by the police about this meme.
	It got absolutely nowhere, there was nothing to charge, but they still went after Peter North uh for posting the same meme.
	Well, he posted or did he retweet it?
	I think he posted it.
	I think he posted it.
	Uh I posted it again in in solidarity.
	Religion is a protected characteristic under British law.
	So saying F Islam kind of is by their own standards.
	But that's the point.
	But if you want to go down this route, the Quran makes it clear that Jews and Christians are kufar and are unbelievers.
	And it also legitimates all kinds of violence against Guffar.
	You don't have to persuade me.
	So you've got to persuade the British government.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	Who appear to be a fully Islamic state at this point, frankly.
	Yes, that they are beholden and terrified of the Muslim mob and they are behaving accordingly.
	And there is no principle behind it.
	The police officers apparently didn't know what Hamas was.
	I know, that's just outrageous, isn't it?
	Now I don't know if they were playing coy, which they may have been.
	Which they may have been, or if they're genuinely that stupid.
	Well, I mean, is it their job to know what Hamas is?
	No, not really.
	You have to have been asleep under a rock.
	You do, yeah.
	Not to know what Hamas.
	But I mean, if I was a police officer, I probably would not want to get involved with politics at the end of the day either.
	It is a proscribed terrorist organization.
	It is, yeah, it is.
	Yep.
	Uh but they also detained two of the leaders of Britain first.
	And I and I just want to play this clip because it's absolutely hilarious to show you the extent of confusion by the police.
	Firstly, notice that the lady officers look like they're teenagers.
	You're just holding us up for no reason.
	Okay.
	Well, have we committed a crime?
	We're just trying to have a discussion a minute.
	No, I'm asking you I'm asking you a question.
	Have we committed a crime?
	So there's the feminization aspect of it.
	Uh let's just have a chat.
	I don't want to chat with you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Either I while you're retaining or I'm not.
	Why are you detained?
	Exactly.
	Either I'm under arrest or I'm not.
	I don't want to chat.
	I mean, you've got the word wank and it's displayed on the fence to the state.
	I wonder who that's talking about.
	Or a crime, is it?
	The only person who would take offence to that is Keir Starmer.
	Everyone else agrees with it.
	I'm not saying anything.
	And and and we have the polling to demonstrate, everyone else agrees with it.
	Let's not forget that.
	Scientifically proved lying.
	Paul Golding is not lying.
	I've got remain biased, but that's obviously why I've been honest.
	But if we've not committed a criminal offence, then can we go?
	Well, just for the time being, it's in terms of you've got Britain first written on the side of the fans.
	What's wrong with that prescribed organisation?
	What are you doing these girls doing?
	Like this isn't the worst part.
	Well, you said they weren't prepared to get involved in politics.
	Yes, now they've misdescribed Britain first.
	We just want to have a lot of people.
	Because on on one of their manuals, when they looked up Britain first, yeah, they found far right.
	Yes.
	They assumed that everybody far right is proscribed by definition, because we don't tolerate the far right.
	And therefore they decided to proceed as though they had some legal basis for their actions.
	So the stupidity of the police and the youth and naivete of the police are really problems here.
	Because anybody with experience and any decency is left already.
	We saw the gentleman who was um fired from the police because he said some nasty words to a guy that he was arresting, who was trying to stab someone.
	There was a couple of months ago.
	Um you have these I mean their ability to exercise authority is predicated on British men's restraint.
	I was gonna come to this.
	Absolutely, because if they decide to push back.
	What are they gonna do?
	Yeah.
	It's all assumed that the average Englishman will just comply with the police.
	That's why they think they can send a hundred pounds.
	They're putting them in danger, these people girls are in danger.
	Yeah.
	They're brainwashing them and putting them in danger.
	And as Orwell said, the most vicious party part of operators were the young women.
	Uh they know that the process is the punishment.
	They're willing to go through the process for for for Pete North, he had some kind of um autism episode that really could have gotten him killed because of his blood pressure issues.
	They took him and questioned him for five, six hours in the middle of the night.
	They had no reason to show up at night.
	It's all right.
	They're using this for the for the same reason.
	They're using this process as punishment.
	And here with the British First guys, they found that they had nothing to arrest them for.
	So they summoned a traffic officer from half an hour away.
	Check the vehicle.
	To check the vehicle to see if they could find some reason to stop that vehicle and threaten to impound it.
	This goes back to where we just started the discussion.
	How can the police possibly control crime if this is how they're behaving?
	What crime are they concerned about?
	Yeah, what crime are they concerned about?
	Yep, they're looking for the crime.
	And they can be no better exactly if I can just quickly say this.
	There can be no better example of how our criminal justice system clearly isn't working.
	Last year, at the time that they were releasing dangerous repeat criminals from prison to make room in prison cells, they were incarcerating people for what they'd said on X. Yep, over Southport.
	You know, over Southport.
	Absolutely absurd.
	Lucy Connelly threat to the peace.
	Yeah, Peter Lynch, a threat to the police.
	61-year-old grandfather who sadly then took his own life in prison because he couldn't cope with it.
	The whole system needs rewiring.
	It's a deep dive of rewiring the system.
	It's an expressly political system, though, isn't it?
	The criminals are not a political threat to the Labour Party.
	In fact, they'll cheer Kirst Armor when he lets them out of jail.
	So that they're not a problem.
	They don't threaten the political integrity of the system.
	It's you saying Keir Starmer is a wanker.
	That does.
	Maybe I'm gonna be arrested for that.
	Well, it's I'm just gonna say I repeated what the crowd was saying.
	Stand on it, stand on it.
	We need our martyrs.
	We definitely arrested George Galloway on terrorism charges.
	He was coming back from Russia, and they asked him about his views of Sergey Lavrov.
	Why is he a fan of Sergey Lavrov?
	I I I have my views why I'm a I respect Sergey Lavrov.
	He's very good at what he does.
	And when Liz Truss was foreign secretary, he absolutely the foreign minister of Russia.
	I didn't want to put my foot in it, but he's a very capable old, experienced diplomat, isn't he?
	Extremely capable.
	Love him, hate him, doesn't matter.
	But he's obviously capable.
	They asked him about his views of Ji Jinping.
	They asked his wife why she had painted her nails in the Palestinian flag.
	Really?
	And they gave five hours.
	They would have preferred an entire flag wrapped round her shoulders.
	I don't understand what was the problem.
	But they held them for five hours so that he missed some event that he was speaking at where the Chinese ambassador was in attendance.
	So it was clear political harassment.
	Clear, deliberate political harassment.
	He was held under terrorism laws.
	Meaning that he was told that he's not under arrest, and he can't leave, and he can't stay silent.
	Oh.
	That's what they detained Tommy Robinson under as well.
	Yes.
	And they're using these more and more widely in order to get their way.
	So what's at no point did they ask George Galloway, and I don't like George Galloway.
	But at no point did they ask George Galloway, were you involved in trying to bomb something?
	Where you know what was the terrorist activity?
	Uh you know freedom of thought.
	That's terrorist.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I think he's wrong about most important things in life.
	I think he's right about a couple of things.
	It's not just wrong about almost everything.
	He's honestly I put him in the same league as Corbyn as just being a traitor.
	He's an enemy of the British people, and he sides with every interest against us.
	And it's it's really annoying that he's such a good rhetorician.
	Because I actually really enjoy listening to him talk.
	Like if he gives a speech on something, you can't deny his skill, but he's a traitor.
	I mean, you know.
	Yep.
	But if we're going to hold people under terrorism trades, he's not a terrorist, he's an idiot.
	Exactly.
	And then we legitimise this guy.
	Yeah.
	And this is what I can't.
	I can't get my head round.
	Yes.
	A little al-Qaeda head chopper.
	I know.
	Who's still killing people in Syria who the Alawis are still being slaughtered.
	The Alois, the Druze, a lot of pressure on the Christian community.
	Yeah.
	And he gets welcomed by the UN.
	Red carpet rolled out.
	And David Lamy proceeds to give him a hundred pounds.
	Exactly.
	That's that's literally all it's come down to.
	That's exactly what it's come down to.
	That's exactly what it's come down to.
	That's all it has come down to.
	Uh Kevork Al-Massian had a banger.
	This is Juliani's wanted poster from the U United States.
	From 2017.
	From 2017.
	Ten million dollar reward.
	Our friend is trying to cash in.
	Yeah.
	While he's having a chat with David Petraeus, former head of the CIA.
	It's just extraordinary.
	It's absolutely and then we wonder why there's geopolitical instability.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	I mean, if you're going to go around arresting terrorists, I think David Lamy's been collaborating with terrorists.
	I have very good reason to believe that.
	He literally is collaborating with the terrorists, right?
	I think there's a terrorism financing charge waiting for some people in the foreign office.
	David, you can make some money out of this.
	It's just the level of absurdity of it is the most insulting part.
	But this is also this must be remembered, it's a deliberate humiliation ritual.
	They've been wanting to rub your noses in it for quite some time.
	They know that this is a humiliation ritual, they are going to keep on doing it until things are out of control.
	And I as someone from Lebanon who saved Labour government.
	The Labour government, the sort of liberal establishment, whatever you want to call them.
	As someone from a sort of war-torn country, I I pray that we don't go there.
	But please, Pierre Starmer, some introspection.
	Huh?
	No, that he he told us very clearly.
	Now it's time for introspection.
	Which I agree with.
	He's not going to do that.
	They arrested Katie Hopkins or spoke to her because she said that some because she described herself as a spaz, as a spastic.
	When did when did they do this to Katie?
	Only the other day, yeah.
	Last week, I believe.
	Yeah, the 23rd.
	So because there's so many of them, Ben, you can't keep up with all of them.
	Oh, I know, it's very difficult.
	Though I imagine Katie can give as good as she gets.
	Yes.
	No doubt.
	Yes.
	And we have Ed Dutton coming to her defense saying that she's well within her right to use the word spastic.
	Good for Ed.
	Uh good for Ed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's it's I mean, really?
	The police are going after this kind of stuff.
	But remember, they're the finest.
	Yeah.
	They're the finest.
	Yes, and Sarah White, of course.
	Yes.
	So they arrested this lady because she put up the flag on the stairs when the process area was supposed to stop at the bottom of the city.
	Oh, thank God.
	Someone's protecting us.
	Enough of a crime to arrest her.
	Um you see them here.
	But you know, just on that.
	I'm just going to have a little dig at Faro's by May.
	Sarah White is a prospective counselor for reform UK.
	And not one senior member of reform has spoken up for her.
	They are also trying to save what can be saved from the establishment.
	But they perhaps do not accept the extent of the rot that needs to be burnt away.
	But it's strange how I think it's more I think it's less um prosaic than I think Farage just wants power at any cost, and he'll say, But this but this would be such an easy win.
	Oh, they've arrested our counsellor for flying the British flag.
	This allows me to very easily jam a wedge between the Labour Party and the Patriots.
	Right.
	And point out that actually you're not very patriotic if you're arresting people for flying the British flag.
	Whereas of course we're not going to arrest people flooding.
	But I think reform has forbidden people to go to these migrant hotel protests.
	Yes.
	But it tells you precisely where their mind is.
	It's the same micromanaging procedural mindset of the Labour Party.
	Of the Tory Party.
	Absolutely right.
	It's the same micromanaging proceduralist mindset that is not focused on principle and that is not in the And it's Focused on party interests, party before country.
	More than that, it's just he doesn't want anybody to put him in an awkward position where the media would be angry with him.
	Yes.
	In the same way that Boris Johnson decided to open the floodgates so that the FTU would write better headlines about it.
	But there's no redemption.
	And moreover, I I suspect that it's inhibiting Farage's polling.
	Yes.
	Um I like don't get me wrong, being at like 30 sort of 33% of the polls is very good.
	But why aren't you at 40 or 50%?
	At the same time.
	Everyone, everyone agrees with the problems.
	Like, why aren't you going full bore and going hard on basically patriotism and what the problem is?
	I think he's made uh the first mistake he makes is not to actually be the man that the people want him to be.
	Um but also I think the other mistake he's made is he hasn't realized how strongly the people feel about this.
	No.
	And he must have looked at the Unite the Kingdom march and thought, Bly me, I should have been on that stage.
	I bet he got FOMO.
	What's the reason not to they're the British people?
	Yeah, they're your people.
	Speak to the people.
	A million people are in the streets, Nigel.
	They they would have liked to have heard from you.
	Yeah.
	You know.
	He he missed such an opportunity.
	And he's missing the point.
	And without wishing to bring Advanced UK into it, that's why there is room for a party like Advanced UK.
	Because even though it's not even there's room, there's necessary.
	It's necessary.
	It's absolutely well, thank you.
	I think it's absolutely vital that there is a party like Advanced UK.
	And even though people saying, Oh, you're gonna split the vo we can have a whole debate about splitting votes.
	Um I think Farage and Reform are gonna be in for a surprise because the Overton window is much further over than they think it is.
	And when we get our registration, and when we start polling, we're going to make a much bigger impact.
	And the numbers that you're seeing for reform are going to change quite dramatically.
	I think Farage doesn't understand the British public is far to his right on almost every issue.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And and I think if if you think about the success of the left, it was the result of very strong activists very much further to the left of Tony Blair and Keir Starmer.
	Pulling him over.
	Pulling them over, holding their feet to the fire, holding them accountable, keeping on pressing them to make sure that they don't abandon the rest of the project.
	And so Advance UK restore these other groupings should play the same precise role.
	Um in terms of imposing a level of integrity on someone like Nigel Farage.
	Yeah.
	I think the word is almost um at least a paradox, if not a contradiction.
	Yes.
	Well that that's impose.
	Not encourage.
	Farage is not going to be here forever.
	No.
	One one thing that I think people are forgetting.
	Because Yusuf next.
	Well, that's the point.
	With without Farage, who have they actually got to be his successor?
	Well, it's obviously Zia Youssef, he's been grooming for this position.
	But am I are you gonna follow Zia Yusuf?
	Are you gonna you know obviously we're probably a bad example for the room, but what percentage of reform voters are actually gonna be like, yeah, my man is now Zia Youssef.
	Yes.
	Oh, it is a Farage phenomena.
	Well, that's what they're telling us, and okay, I'll accept it, you know.
	So what happens afterwards?
	Yeah.
	Sorry, that's Karen.
	No, I mean let's just sort of see what the police are busying themselves with.
	I'll just head on done with the protest then.
	Right?
	What's the what's the what's what's happening here?
	They think I've got a the police are ordering someone to put the flag away until he gets the protest.
	Put it away.
	Have you seen the size of it, love?
	What am I gonna do with it?
	What are my options?
	Why is this your concern?
	Yeah.
	Why is this your concern?
	English man walking around with an England flag, you better put that away, bro.
	And he looks like a threat.
	Well, this is this was happening yesterday when I was in in Newcastle.
	Yes.
	Um there was a protest up the road, you know, UKIP were marching, and I don't know if this was part of the UKIP march, but this is extraordinary.
	Sixteen-year-old girl.
	Look at the way he grabs that flag and rips it out.
	Well, he's a real man.
	He grabbed it out of the hands of a 16-year-old girl.
	But the thing about that is, isn't it?
	It's like we we we like to pretend that oh well the police, they're just good people who are just following rules, and it's the people making the rules that are bad.
	Well, not all of them actually.
	Not really.
	Some of them are actually total jobs worth who enjoy doing this.
	Yeah, that the you could see two things from this.
	You could see zero respect for the flag, which is I think substantially it's a substantial point.
	It's important.
	Yes.
	And you can see the power trip.
	And you can see the power trip.
	And you see that with all of these officers who are sort of playing very polite and but trying to control themselves, but you could also see the seething.
	I remember I was arrested one time for um distributing pamphlets about uh please don't have transsexuals reading to children.
	And the officer arresting me when he read my pamphlet began trembling.
	Really?
	Literally began trembling in a sort of uncontrollable seething rage.
	Found a transphobe.
	Oh my god, they warned me this would happen.
	Exactly.
	And and I asked them, You're arresting me.
	Why are you shaking?
	You know?
	Yeah, I should be shaking.
	And then they turned nasty.
	They tried to tell me, oh, you know, we can dispose of you in a couple of ways.
	I'm like, do whatever you want.
	Explain to him that you're an immigrant, that might have helped.
	Maybe I should have.
	You don't look and feel like an immigrant.
	Maybe I well, I try my best to integrate them.
	So you see that on the personal level, it turned out some senior guy spoke to me, and at the end I tried to shake his hand, but it wasn't public before I got arrested.
	It's just trying to be a gentleman about it.
	He absolutely refused because he was worried that the Trantifa who were there protesting one guy with pamphlets, um, would snap a photograph of him, and that would be the end of his career.
	Right.
	Uh so the senior most officers are completely woke.
	Yeah, and the people with any integrity have left, and you see these kids on a power trip who are completely ideological, and that constitutes the police force.
	The two girls with the Britain First guys.
	That was a power trip.
	Exactly.
	That was 100% a power trip.
	Because there's no way.
	Like, you know, Paul Goldman's not a small guy.
	There's no way that these young ladies would have been able to bully him.
	Exactly.
	Outside of that context.
	Exactly.
	And so, you know, when you can, maybe you should consider doing this.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	I'm fine.
	I asked you the purpose of your recordings today, sir.
	Uh no, thank you.
	Sorry?
	No, thank you.
	Why not?
	I don't wish to talk today.
	Sorry?
	I don't wish to talk today.
	I I can't understand you, sir.
	I don't wish to talk today.
	Thank you.
	You don't wish to talk?
	No, thank you.
	Okay, where have you come from?
	Where do you go into?
	Just completely ignored them, walked away.
	How dare the policeman ask him where he's from and where he's going?
	Why he's recording.
	I'm walking down street recording.
	I can do whatever they like.
	Because the law is written in such a way so that if someone claims to be offended, if someone claims to be upset, if someone claims to have been caused distress, the police can intervene.
	And the way the law is written in a manner that permits the police to intervene in any political speech on these on that basis.
	Because if I disagree with you with your politics, there's a good chance one of us might get offended.
	You know, especially if it gets into a heated argument, which it always does on X. And it's not just that as well.
	You've got to make sure that those people who are following the rules are following them in the way that we want them followed.
	Don't worry about those violent criminals with the knives.
	Yes.
	You won't be tasked with investigating that.
	Yes.
	The you know the the champ walking down the street.
	Make sure that you know you know where he's going.
	So the police are saying that they want the law changed so that they don't have to police tweets.
	But last I checked.
	Surely it's discretionary anyway.
	In the same way that they on their own discretion choose not to pursue shoplifting, theft, rape, murder.
	Burglaries.
	When Shaddana Mahmoud says these are the finest, that this is this is the finest police force.
	I'm sorry, this is f official government data.
	And I'm going to read some segments from it.
	The proportion of crimes excluding fraud and computer misuse, resulting in a charge or summons increased slightly to five point seven percent.
	Oh my God.
	I just I there's a ninety-four point three percent chance you just getting away.
	Exactly.
	Just any crime you commit, you have to be a moron to get arrested if you commit a crime in Britain other than tweeting or saying something.
	Yeah, no, can't calm down.
	I was gonna say calm down, because that's throwing a lot of shade on the online right there, because we're getting arrested constantly.
	Exactly.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And of course, a much smaller proportion get convicted.
	Of course, yes, Of course.
	Precisely.
	Precisely.
	God damn.
	The most common reason is no suspect having been identified.
	They couldn't find anybody.
	Uh around one in nine offences involving a firearm were closed with a charge or a summons.
	My God.
	So about twelve percent of all shootings resulted in some incremental action.
	Some serious criminal action.
	But you know why this is, right?
	It's because they are dealing with communities that basically do not recognise their authority.
	Precisely and will not cooperate with them.
	Precisely.
	Of course, if something happens in my area, mostly middle-class white people, so they will.
	Oh, did you hear something?
	Oh, yeah, maybe I did.
	But the you know, if you're it's the sort of Sasha Johnson case.
	Do you know about that case?
	No, I don't.
	So there's this um radical black activist, young lady called Sasha Johnson, uh constantly defund the police, and I hate white people and that sort of stuff.
	And that a house party she was at on a Sunday night at like 3 a.m.
	Uh, some urban youths turned up and started shooting into the house.
	She took a bullet to the brain and is now in a in a wheelchair, and no one knows who did it because the community will not cooperate with the police to find the people who did it.
	Yep.
	And so it's it's exactly that example of w we don't cooperate with the police, and so you're now in a wheelchair forever, and whoever did this to you will get away with it, and nothing will ever happen.
	Yeah, yep.
	I suppose on X they know precisely who posted it.
	Uh well, I mean, po possibly, but uh but the but this is the point, right?
	It's they don't recognise the legitimacy of the police.
	Exactly.
	And the same with the life crime.
	The police don't feel like they are legitimate policing those communities either, because of all of the woke ideology.
	And so they don't feel because I mean okay, let's assume like you go back 50, 60 years, okay.
	You've got a community who like we don't recognise the authority of the police, and the police be like, okay, but we've got the clubs.
	You know, we don't care.
	Yeah, but now they won't go there.
	Exactly.
	Now they're like, well, I mean, you know, better avoid that.
	It's like, no, you club them in submission.
	They will recognise the authority of the And it was like again with the Southport protests with the counter protests were the plea police were pleading with the counter protesters not to take out weapons but the weapons in the mosques.
	But the weapons in the mosques.
	Mad.
	Please.
	Please.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Sorry, yeah.
	Don't forget the peace.
	Yeah.
	Courtesy is very important in a situation like that.
	That's the point, that the st the stewards of these communities, not the rulers of these communities.
	Exactly.
	Exactly, exactly.
	Um the rate of arresting people, charging people for crimes, has gone down from eleven percent in the good old days of 2016, to just 4.6% where there is a victim identified.
	Very crazy.
	Yeah, another reason to rejoin.
	As in they they've let go.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And Shabana Mahmoud is saying that they're the finest.
	Come on.
	Well, hey, let's take a look.
	This is the plan.
	This is what they want for the country, right?
	This is let's let's go on to the next bit because this dovetails very nicely with what I'd like to talk about next.
	Sorry, we're pleased.
	Uh in the in the interest of time.
	Um so Keir Starmer has recently come out and said, you know what?
	The current state of the country, I think it's beautiful.
	I think it's tolerant, I think it's this is Britain as envisaged by the Blairite managerial class.
	I love and have pride in my country, and I want to serve the whole of our country.
	Our beautiful, tolerant, diverse country, and I want to serve the whole of that country.
	And I was arguing against reform because reform do not believe in that country.
	They want to tear that country apart.
	What was said last week uh about deporting migrants who are lawfully here, who've been here for years, working in our hospitals, now schools, running businesses, our neighbors, and reforms say they want to deport them.
	That would tear our country apart.
	We are at the moment a leading member of the coalition of the willing.
	So we'll we'll we'll pause it there because that that I think is a fascinating, fascinating statement.
	Because what they're doing is when they when he says our country, we could say, yeah, your country, their country, not our country.
	There are two separate groups that are being identified here.
	Yes, and he and honestly, you're right, Nigel Farage did not say anything of the sort.
	But that is actually what is kind of being pushed up By the United Kingdom rally.
	The old Britain before the Blairite project still exists to a certain degree in fact most of the country.
	But the new Britain that he's thinking of, where oh, we've brought on all of these people against your will, and now they are as important.
	Absolutely.
	They are as important as the people who have been here since Cheddar Matt.
	Actually, call them more important.
	Well, that's true.
	Because they have protected characteristics.
	And must be promoted and celebrated.
	And that's where he talks about diversity.
	That's where the division comes in.
	Precisely.
	And so just a quick thing.
	This is what he recognises.
	He sees the modern multicultural UK Britain where no one's ever arrested, nothing works, there's not enough housing, there's not enough services, the NHS is collapsing.
	The fact that everyone's unhappy, that country, that was the ideal.
	That's how things are supposed to be.
	That's why Shibana Mahmood is like, oh yeah, the police are doing a great job.
	No, they're terrible.
	What are you talking about?
	They say they don't love our country.
	Well, have you looked at the state of it?
	Have you looked at what you've done to our country?
	Uh Swindon, and I say this every time, 15 years ago, Swindon was actually a quite nice place.
	It was actually really quite nice.
	And like it was, you know, not very exciting, but it was just normal and it was familiar, and there were people there who you recognized, and now it's just a wasteland of strangers from all over the country, all over the world.
	And they've been brought here against our will.
	And Keir Starmer's like, yeah, I love that country.
	It's like, well, I'm sorry, Keir.
	I do want to tear that country apart.
	I want those people to go home.
	We don't know who they are, they shouldn't be here.
	They weren't brought here because with our consent.
	So they can just go.
	And you say, okay, well, he's actually they're brought here against our consent.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	Because there's been successive governments elected on it.
	Over and over on cutting immigration, and they've done the opposite.
	Every manifesto.
	Yeah.
	Every manifesto.
	Since probably before John Major.
	Including this lot.
	You said they'd stop illegal illegal migrants.
	He can't even call them illegal migrants.
	He calls them irregular migrants.
	Yeah.
	Because he doesn't see them as illegal.
	And so it's like, okay, well, okay, Kir.
	You're like, there are friends and our neighbours.
	It's like, but are they though?
	Like when you actually speak to any of them, is is this a friend or a neighbor?
	If a war was to break out, would you fight for this country?
	Absolutely no way.
	This ain't my country.
	I might be a British citizen, but I'm here just to live and be at peace.
	I'm not here to fight no one else else's battles.
	You know what I mean?
	So some people might Right, there we go.
	I mean, you couldn't get it any more crystal clear.
	This ain't my country.
	It's like, yeah, I agree.
	I agree that this is not your country.
	Why are you here against my will?
	Like the these like they will just come out and say to you that they don't really consider themselves to be of this place.
	It's like, okay, fine.
	I mean, this isn't someone who's going to get deported by Nigel Farage anyway, so it's not you know great exactly.
	This is where I mean, this is where 30 years of this project has led us.
	Yes.
	They have deliberately set aside the nation state and any belief in the nation state.
	You started this program talking about how they wanted to attack farmers because they're they're they they they represent a line of continuity to our past, they connect us with our past, and they're setting it aside.
	So you get young men like this who actually don't realize how bloody lucky they are to be British citizens, what a privilege it is, and actually the obligations which go with it, which are being prepared to stand up for this country and the law of honour, the lack of honour implied in okay, I I'm I I'm getting great things from this place, but I just want to live here, I don't want to fight for it.
	I mean, this kid would have been born and raised here.
	Yeah.
	You can tell by his accent, and his view is this ain't my country.
	It's like, okay, where do you think you're from?
	Yeah.
	You know, and like Nigel, like he's not going to be under the indefinite leaf to remain.
	He's I reckon he was born and raised here.
	I don't know, obviously.
	So but the this this attitude, if this is pervasive in uh migrant or uh minority communities that have been here for decades now, yes, well then how can you expect anyone who's just got off the boat in the Boris wave to give a damn about the country?
	Like this is ridiculous.
	And Keir Starm's like, oh, we can't have this guy deported.
	It's like, why?
	Like sorry, why?
	You know, why why not?
	You know, they're not they're not integral to the fabric of the country, and yet that's his position.
	He's like, no, he he thinks this is fundamentally a racist policy, which I think is a fantastic angle of attack that hasn't been used before.
	And I think this is I know we've never heard that accusation bandied about before.
	It's very novel and I think it's really going to turn Labour around in the polls.
	It's one thing to say we're going to remove illegal migrants, people who have no right to be here.
	I'm up for that.
	It is a completely different thing to say we are going to reach in to people who are lawfully here and start removing them.
	They are our neighbours.
	They're people who work in our economy.
	They are part of who we are.
	It will rip this country apart.
	And if you're patriotic, you want to serve the whole of your country possibly in your own.
	Yes, but there's so much here, isn't there?
	The transition from their part of our economy and the complete lack of mention of loyalty, belonging, identity.
	So this is the materialist mind at work.
	This is why you and I have that other disagreement.
	This is the materialist mind at work.
	It is incapable of viewing things that can't be quantified, measured, put a price on.
	Because he's a materialist, he can't process things like loyalty beliefs, identity.
	Our form of government has been entirely materialist for at least the 30-year period.
	You know, they all talk about the economy, and of course the economy is critically important for our prosperity.
	But actually the economy needs to serve the constitution, the culture, and the people of the country.
	Right.
	And it needs to alter its behavior at from time to time, depending on the circumstances of the country.
	Yes.
	And they don't get that.
	No.
	Because they don't they there is no conception of man having value as man and a nation having value as a nation.
	Yeah.
	There is only a conception of GDP, which even then they get completely wrong with their tax policies and general policies and all that.
	The GDP per capita should be a metric they understand, but they can't even get their heads around that because all discussion of per capita is prohibited.
	But actually but actually he's actually kind of transcending that with what he's saying here, right?
	Right.
	So notice how he's identifying a moment in time, the now, and saying, look, if you love the country as it is now, then what you have to do is accept all of these millions of foreigners that have been brought in against our will and without any kind of uh appeal to the electorate whatsoever.
	Yes.
	Well, they they are a core integral part of the country.
	He literally just said they are just as important and as you say, more important than the actual native people of the country.
	And so you can't just remove lawful people because they are again appeal to the system of law.
	That they are as constituent to modern Britain as everyone else.
	As everyone else.
	They've set aside citizenry.
	Yes.
	That's what they've done.
	And the root cause, I'm afraid, goes back to Tony Blair with the human rights act.
	Which basically put everyone on level pegging and then the Equality Act put those with protective characteristics on a pedestal.
	Above everyone else.
	But what is Keir saying here?
	Kier is saying literally, if you get off a boat and we hand you a passport, you are just as important to this country as any other person who is in this country.
	Like the guy who is the descendant of Cheddar Man who was found within a mile and a half of Cheddar Gorge, where Cheddar Man was discovered, who's near a thousand-year-old body.
	Like his connection to Britain is materially and substantively and morally identical to you know this guy's who's you know you know his parents probably arrived here.
	Or Axel is Barners.
	Assel Ridicular.
	Who is a Welshman by the Prime Minister.
	And and he thinks it's completely immoral because foreigners are a constituent part of Britain.
	He can't imagine or justify a Britain that isn't predicated on foreign people here as well.
	And so, okay, well, that's that's what Keir Starmer thinks that the UK actually is.
	And so he's like, well, I think it's a racist policy.
	Well, what's the rest of this?
	He's very, very heads up about this.
	...and have an ability to bring that country together and walk forward towards the challenges.
	You cannot do that if you are divisive, If you only truly want to serve a section of our country, and that's why the fight with reform is different.
	Most elections have always been um uh Labour or conservative.
	Um this is a different election that we're facing.
	We have not had a proposition like reform in this country ever before.
	We've seen it in France and Germany and plenty of other countries.
	This is a different fight.
	It is a fight about who we are as a country, it goes to the soul uh of our future, it will be heard and uh and the effects will be there for generations, and that's why I'm saying to my party um, you know, it's all very well navel gazing, but we've got a big argument to make here.
	We've got a big fight that we've got to be in, and we've got to win that fight.
	You said that that absolutely correct, because what he's identifying is, and this comes down to the rally, is the natives of the country who have been abused via mass immigration.
	They've had millions and millions of foreigners brought her against their will, and they've finally said, No, we've had enough.
	We would like a lot of these people to go home because they have homes to go to.
	And Keir Starmer's like, right, that's it.
	That's the end.
	You know, the end of multiculturalism is here, the end of the Blairite project is here, and he is fully committed to the foreigners over the British people.
	He's completely committed to them.
	And this is why he's like, Yep, in ending indefinitely to remain is a racist policy, and we need to call it out for what it is, because again, this is gonna be so successful.
	Uh, but just again, like, you've just got so many examples of just why people want these people sent home.
	Sorry, this is a Pakistani migrant, and she's just gonna throw her rubbish in the river.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I view that akin to like when they're going, oh my god, they vandalized a mosque.
	Yeah, well, this this to me That is illegal what she's just done.
	Sure, sure.
	But it's also spiritually damaging to me.
	What are you doing, woman?
	Disgusting.
	This yeah, it's disgusting, right?
	It's completely unacceptable, and it's a person who doesn't care about this country, who doesn't want to be here, and is just here because we're gonna be paying her to be here.
	That's what it comes to.
	That she doesn't care about this country, is that she would do the same in her own, and she thinks that you're naive for not doing the same.
	Yes.
	You're naive for paying your council tax and having your uh rubbish collected by the council and and and things of that nature.
	Uh you're naive for carrying your rubbish around and then placing it in the proper bits.
	What ultimately will happen, as that ex post uh indicated, was that we will end up being like the third world.
	You import the third world, you become a third world.
	Precisely, yes.
	It's just straight.
	I mean, I can't even imagine how much I'd flip out if I saw my kids throwing their rubbish into the river.
	And I'm just gonna bring up another example that I've known.
	I don't know if you gents have noticed it, but the uh.gov.uk website used to be written quite well.
	You might have disagreed with all the draft bills that were on it.
	Sure.
	But now the grim the grammar is terrible, the punctuation is terrible.
	And you know, we can laugh, but that means the decay of standards.
	It's the decay of standards, and we're seeing it visibly now taking place in our country.
	Right.
	Yes, very much so.
	There was what is it, the conservatives keep posting things written in American English on their Twitter feed?
	Yeah, I don't know whether you've noticed that.
	I haven't they're getting American advisors to help them.
	And not just that, it's because the Zoomers are just online and they just vibe American culture.
	Right.
	So but you'd think the conservatives would be very particular about British spelling.
	It's about standards.
	It's about standards, and you are right, these are these just falling everywhere.
	Anyway, so Rachel Reeves went on LBC uh to explain because Keir Starmer argued that well, the policy is racist, and so are the people who vote for the policy racist.
	Now, that's not wise.
	I was it this one?
	I can't remember.
	I I did have a link to it.
	But um I but the the the tactic of saying, look, you people who are voting overwhelmingly for Farage and not for us are a bunch of racists, it didn't work for Hillary, it didn't bring them back to your position.
	Uh and so now they're in the unfortunate and awkward position of having to defend calling Nigel Farage's policy racist, but not the people who like Farage's.
	How can they support a racist policy and not be racist?
	I think it is a racist policy, and let me tell you why.
	You know, I understand that people I it doesn't matter whether I do, but how could one support a racist policy and not be racist?
	People support the reform party for all sorts of races.
	No, no, no, this policy chancellor, this particular these policies as regards deportations.
	Uh, if you support a racist party, I I cannot see if you support a racist policy, how you're not racist yourself, no?
	Because people support the reform party for all sorts of different reasons, often not even knowing the detail of this part the the policies.
	But this policy is a racist policy, and you'll have lots of um listeners um who might be um at work today sitting next to somebody who wasn't born in this country, their next door neighbor might not have been born in this country, they might be married to somebody who wasn't born in this country.
	And what Nigel Farage and the Reform Party are saying is that uh they would deport those people.
	Yes, Yes.
	So I what I love, I love this so much, right?
	Because one, she doesn't answer the question.
	But two they assume that people think that's a bad thing to hear.
	By the way, Nigel Farage, you know those foreigners who moved in next door to you, Nigel Farage is going to deport them.
	Oh brilliant.
	Thank God.
	Because they throw the rubbish in the fucking streets.
	They make loads of noise at the evening.
	They're not polite.
	They I I'm worried about their intentions with my daughters.
	Like people might hear this and be like, oh thank God.
	You know unf uh unfortunately she's doing him more than a justice.
	Right.
	That's the point as well.
	I want to come through they they have this caricature of Farage in the head which is just not true.
	It's just not true.
	And it's a real shame.
	Yes.
	But so the point is you can see the sort of exhaustion in their faces racial reason particular.
	Wait till they have to contend with advanced UK they're not going to like it.
	Right.
	And so Farage uh has kind of let them think this because Farage of course did not say that he was going to do this.
	But uh and and also Starmer actually didn't say that if you in fact they've specifically found themselves tied to tied in knots over this.
	Starmer didn't say you're a racist if you like the ending of indefinite leave to remain.
	He can't explain why you're not a racist but he didn't say that.
	But the implication is that of course if you support indef ending indefinite leave to remain you are a racist and they're just again trapped on the horns of a dynamic they can't escape.
	But then you've got the sort of you know this this guy writes for the mirror I think he's the editor of the mirror is he which is a left wing rag deputy political editor.
	And this this is a sort of opinion of the very very rarely will they actually just come out and say these things.
	But for the last 20 or so years British politicians have been too afraid of upsetting racists.
	The fear is at the root of many of the country's problems.
	So the country would be better if we just went harder down the woke international liberal route, and would be worse if we actually let the racists get what they want.
	These people not have friends.
	Well, I mean, he's the deputy political editor of the Mirror, so I'm going to guess no.
	I mean, they've just swallowed the ideology hook, line and sinker.
	And they can't distinguish between wanting borders and nation-state sovereignty, the promotion of our own interests versus the global interests.
	They can't distinguish between those two.
	Well, Kistama literally doesn't.
	Anyone who literally, a foreigner, steps off the boat, is moved in next to you.
	He is just as part of Britain.
	you are every right so they they their their ideology literally Tim Montgomery I mean is that the individual who might Mikey Smith picked on Tim is as wet as a woman clothes you know a soak and wet cloth that's been out in the rain overnight that is Tim Montgomery.
	Yeah exactly absolutely correct you know this is the thing they're not even going on like the hard right of online discourse on this but the thing is let's assume that it is a racist policy.
	It's also just been announced by Shibana Mahmud that uh that's what they'll be doing.
	They're gonna if you want to apply for indefinite leave to remain you're gonna have to be employed and paying national insurance you're not going to be receiving benefits.
	You've got to be able to speak English have a clean criminal record and you've also got to do some volunteering work.
	So they've gone further than Nigel Farage on this see this one's quite insidious the volunteering isn't it because any mosque can write you a letter saying that you're volunteering for some kind of thing.
	And what a low bar yeah what a low bar to remain in this country forever.
	Yes he has to be a criminal yeah you've got to pick up on what Shabana Mahmood's doing here empowering the network.
	Exactly exactly because you have to know how the how she thinks I I had a lot of people asking me why have you got the Middle Eastern guy on your show I'm like because he knows how they think it's all good.
	They're double a hanging there but it's all good.
	No no no he's he's our guy anyway yeah but the you are right that that is absolutely empowering the networks right and so it's it's she she's thought about this she's doing something and and of course what she hasn't said which a good lawyer would pick up on is that in order to continue to qualify for indefinite leave to remain you must remain in employment and you must not take benefits.
	Right you know she's just drawn a line in a point in time.
	But the thing is from from getting indefinite leave to remain to getting citizenship it's just one year.
	I I know so even that the whole still low bar we need to app we need to scrap indefinite leave to remain and we need to suspend granting British citizenship.
	It's got to stop.
	Completely no we don't need any more and the thing is the argument oh we need immigration well okay if we've had twenty five years of immigration we've got fifteen million people up are things better or worse is it you know the numbers productivity through the floor wages through the floor GDP per capita through the floor services just unemployment through the roof yeah dependency through the roof.
	I mean, there is no metric to which they can point to say their economic policies are working.
	Exactly.
	And the this the state of the country.
	Like get a train, drive a car.
	Yeah.
	Are the roads overcrowded?
	Like we just don't need more people.
	That's not the argument.
	But uh but anyway, yeah, so it's uh from Nigel Farage's mouth to Shibun and Mahmood's ears, apparently.
	Uh which is actually one of the things that uh watching the libs cope with this.
	Dan Hodges like I've been working in politics a long time, see some bonker stuff.
	But having the Prime Minister blast an opponent's policy is racist on Sunday, then getting the home secretary to announce the same policy on Monday is about the maddest thing I've seen at a party conference.
	And I yeah I've I've got a I there's a part of me that kind of feels bad for the kind of centrist lib types because they are watching the schizophrenic politics play out in front of their eyes.
	Because all of these people would love to vote Labour.
	They want to vote Labour, but Labour are like, yeah, oh yeah, it's a racist, racist, but also this is what we're doing.
	And they're just like, oh god, God, it's driving me.
	Like what what is that what are they supposed to take from this?
	Uh and then just to finish this off, you've you've got like people making the points, right?
	No one asked us if we wanted migrants from the third world to be our neighbours.
	We did not vote for this.
	These policies are not racist, they are common sense, and the white population of Britain is expected to be a minority by 2063 in our own ancestral land, we will not tolerate this.
	And that's not an unreasonable thing for the average person in Britain to think.
	Like in any other country, in any other time, in any other place, it would be completely reasonable not to want your country to be subsumed by people from other lands.
	It's completely reasonable.
	Now and that that doesn't mean that we have to eject every single person with the slightest hint of foreign ancestry or something like that.
	It just means we need to get a grip on this and we don't need to take any more people in.
	And any people who are here throwing rubbish in our rivers or taking advantage of the benefit system, or are like, this ain't my country, I'd never fight for it.
	They can go home.
	They can go to where they feel they belong.
	It's really not very controversial.
	I think.
	Oh, God just dang it.
	Yeah, if you eat a single swan deported.
	Sorry, I'm what are you saying?
	No, I wasn't gonna say anything.
	I mean I'm wholeheartedly agree with you.
	I I I think they're they they're hijacked to the point where there's no redemption through these people.
	Oh, actually the point I was gonna make is that um we are facing the end of Western civilization.
	Of course, what we're seeing in the United Kingdom is happening right across Europe.
	Yes.
	And and unless we do reverse direction, this is the end of the UK.
	This is the end of civilization as we knew it when we grew up.
	But it will be the civilization that they want, right?
	It will be ball at that.
	Yeah, if you can call it that, it will be the anarcho-tyranny that they're looking for.
	They they they love the country as it is, and they want this is the plan.
	This is what they've been trying to bring into being, and then when that's threatened, they close ranks and they say no, we're gonna fight for it.
	Yeah.
	I'm almost feeling sorry for reform.
	It's perfect for the oligarchs to have a massive underclass that can be used as a battering ram against native people and providing a pool of cheap labour to boot.
	It's it's sort of perfect for the oligarchic class.
	And this is what these people should be seen as.
	Um the media as the you know, they're the far right, actually.
	The extreme policies that are being practiced by Starmer, they are far right.
	They are the extremists.
	We b on my side of the debate, we believe in democracy, we believe in freedom of speech, equality under the law.
	These are quaint old-fashioned things which are just commonsensical and also culturally contingent and unique.
	Yes.
	And they are predicated on a thousand, two thousand years of tradition, and of people being hammered, a concept of morality that prioritises guilt, not shame.
	That's the fundamental difference.
	If you look at the big difference between the West and the rest on a moral foundation, the difference is it's a guilt-based culture.
	It's a conscience-based culture.
	That's a direct result of what Christianity teaches that you are to blame for the crucifixion of Christ, and that You must atone for your own sins first.
	That's what makes the wor the West function.
	It doesn't mean other people can't have technology, it doesn't mean that they can't have military success.
	It just means that they can't have this kind of high trust, dutiful society.
	No, you she thinks you're an idiot for not doing the same.
	We're all trying to improve ourselves.
	We're self-policing under that Christian heritage.
	Yes, precisely.
	I'm going to go through some comments.
	There are a bunch of people who said, oh, I joined Advance a few weeks ago.
	I will happily stand as a candidate if you need me.
	Thank you.
	Please please email into info at advanceuk.org.uk.
	There we go.
	Um there are lots people who are not happy with Keir Starmer, um, for the sake of time, I'm gonna have to summarize those as uh yeah, join the club.
	Um the Democrats in the US were accused of importing legal illegals to in order to boost their voting bloc.
	What's the opinion of barring first genes from voting or holding office in the UK to combat corruption?
	Yes.
	Well, to be honest with you third genes.
	Yeah, we're the third, I would argue.
	To be honest with you, uh it doesn't matter how many generations, if you don't have British ancestry, you shouldn't be allowed to vote in Britain.
	I I I genuinely I'm at the sort of ancient Athens Well, you know, you know who is allowed to vote British citizens, Irish citizens, and members of the Commonwealth.
	Mad isn't it?
	Which is insane, they've got their own country.
	Completely insane.
	Yeah, why are we allowing a single Irishman?
	But seriously.
	I know I'm not joking.
	Yeah.
	Why are the Irish voting in R and S. They've got their own country.
	The Commonwealth, they've got their own countries.
	Sorry, what are we doing here, folks?
	It's suicidal.
	It's suicidal.
	And but the thing is as well, like the the ancient Athenians had what they called metics, right?
	Which is a class of foreign people who ran businesses and traded in Athens, right?
	And these people were not politically enfranchised, obviously, because they were there to take advantage of the prosperity that the Athenians had established.
	And that's fine.
	You come, you work, you pay taxes, you earn money, that's fine.
	That's not a problem.
	Why should you be voting?
	Why should you be in the political look at the UAE?
	They have three million foreigners working in Dubai, but they absolutely rule that place with an iron rod.
	I don't want to be quite that far, but No, but you know, those foreigners get absolutely they can be turfed out any second.
	Yes.
	And the and Dubai's culture is pro you know paramount.
	Uh people keep moving there.
	People keep moving there for a reason, right?
	I mean, like didn't Isabel Oakshock run over there.
	She did.
	She saved 150,000 in VAT on school fees.
	Government so much.
	Materialist.
	I just can't distinguish between having property rights, which you would have as a medic in Athens, of course.
	Or as a resident in Dubai, and having political rights.
	Yes.
	Can I just say these are two separate things?
	I this is a this is a hot off the press disclosure, in the sense that I have been approached as leader of Advanced UK by many British citizens now living in Dubai, living in Italy, some in Portugal, saying, Ben, we need you to succeed.
	How can we help you so we can come home?
	Yes.
	Wonderful.
	They have yeah, but they've left the these are people who love this country and have been forced abroad.
	Dan's like if they do I can't remember what it was, unrealised capital gains or something.
	He's like, look, I'm just gonna have to leave the country.
	That's all before they do it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Before they do it.
	And so yeah, it's it it is insane how this country is run, and one day we will have a government that prioritizes the British people.
	It'll be the next government.
	Well, without a shadow of a doubt.
	The next government will be a pro-British government.
	What I can do.
	It w it can't be if it's to be pro-British.
	I know.
	Anyway, let's carry on some comments.
	Um Cyberball says, I wish Farage was half the hard right wing monster the guardian readers of the world think he is.
	And that's really the issue.
	Like they've they the thing is, right?
	Farage is not that right winger, but they know that logically there entails a kind of right wing that is the opposite of what they're doing.
	So they're they're like, no, we're gonna take advantage of the British public for as much as they can, as much we can squeeze as much out of them as we can, and we're gonna funnel it to our client groups, the foreigners who we bring over, or the minorities or whoever.
	And they realize that actually there could be a right wing antithesis to this, which is oh, we're gonna put the British people first and you're going back to the margins.
	You know, the the the vast majority of this country are hardworking, patriotic, normal people who just get up, go to work, send their kids to school, pay their taxes, pay their mortgages, and do the right thing every day.
	And if they had substantive representation, then and they were like the majority of what you would see if they were proportionally represented in the political system on TV, wherever, you would hardly ever hear from the weird fringe or the foreigners of diversity on minorities, whatever it is.
	You'd hardly hear from this.
	And they're worried that actually that kind of government could come into place and Farage they believe embodies that, but of course he doesn't.
	He doesn't in any way, shape or form.
	The the sad thing without dwelling on it for too long.
	But the sad thing is if reform were to win the landslide that that map indicates.
	Which I think they will.
	Um if they were to win it, they would not deliver for the British people, and there would be great disappointment, number one, and number two, the detractors of uh reform would say, Well, look, you had your go, you had you go at that kind of set of policies, and look, it's failed spectacularly.
	We're going back to the liberal global order.
	They will literally say, There's your populism, folks.
	Didn't work.
	Thanks, Nigel.
	Yeah.
	But the the risk of disorder at that point becomes quite severe.
	Yeah.
	I think we're we're v I mean look at the march.
	Look at the rally.
	Yes.
	That would be a tipping point in terms of the ability of people to stomach another election which sort of goes to people like your Starmer.
	I I I don't think they would just sort of sit there and say, Oh, you know, we'll just put up with this for another five years.
	I I I I think the risks at that point people's positions were hardly to an extent.
	Yes.
	The the Tommy Rally is essentially uh, you know, when you're boiling water and the the steam escapes from the pot yes lifts a little, that's what the Tommy rally is.
	Yes.
	But listen, there's something truly happening here.
	Yes, pay attention.
	Pay attention.
	Pay attention.
	And their response, as I mentioned in my speech yesterday at our launch, and I wanted to mention in the United Kingdom speech when I w when I spoke, was that the Parliament's reaction, those that govern us, their reaction, is to actually put up a nine foot tall metal fence surrounding Parliament.
	Have you been there recently?
	I have, yes.
	You uh you know, there used to be barricades, there used to be nothing in the nineteen eighties.
	Yes.
	Then we got barricades, and now there's a nine foot metal fence.
	And they need that fence because they stand in opposition to the people.
	Yes.
	And you can only you can only uh exist in opposition to the people by protecting yourself and separating yourself.
	And that's what that fence represents.
	And they haven't even got the sense to realise that that fence is like a V sign to the British people.
	Quite.
	And also when they say, Oh, we can't protect the borders, we we've got to bring the boat people in.
	Well, you do have a border around something.
	You can protect those things that you actually care about.
	Exactly.
	You've got the border around Parliament, the seat of government.
	You don't have a border around our island, which should be really easy to keep a border around, uh because they just don't value it.
	You know, and that's it's a fundamental problem.
	It's so it's so self-evident.
	Um from the website, uh North Blood says, I wouldn't be surprised if the UK has a general election before the end of the year.
	I think the end of the year is probably a bit too soon.
	I don't think because the thing is what we're relying on, unfortunately, is an insurrection in the Labour Party now.
	Turkeys would have to vote for Christmas, and that's rare.
	Well, and and that's the point.
	Uh the the current crop of Labour MPs could mount a challenge to Keir Starmer, but every single one of them will lose their job.
	Yes.
	Now I I think that sounds great.
	Uh, but it'll be worse than the Conservatives losing at the previous general election.
	But isn't it interesting?
	Sorry, it's sorry to do that.
	No, no, please go ahead.
	But it's so interesting to me that it took Boris Johnson two or three years to become seriously unpopular, practising the policies of the past when he had promised to change direction.
	This guy has lost his com mandate to the extent he had any, completely within a year, completely.
	A hundred and seventy-five seat majority should have given him three parliaments.
	He's not gonna survive one.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and he he might like everyone's uh talking about the May uh local elections, in which Labour are probably gonna get drubbed, absolutely drubbed, and with good reason.
	And so the Labour Party, I mean the the the poll the other day are sort of seventeen percent, and then the Tories on fifteen percent.
	And it's like, okay, Nights, why aren't you at fifty percent?
	But ignore that.
	Um they I mean, they're backers.
	The the people in the party, the people donating the money are like, why would I give money to this party?
	Yes that's dying.
	It's a dying consensus.
	And so, I mean, the same with Kemi Badenok, why is she still here?
	Fifteen percent of the polls, why are you here?
	Yes.
	Like, what are you doing?
	Yeah.
	I I mean again, the Tory party is refusing to wake up to the issue.
	I know it's amazing.
	And they keep regurgitating the same people.
	Yes.
	And that's partly without wishing to go you know labour on about reform.
	It's partly the problem with reform is because they've taken in so many failed Tory MPs.
	Yes.
	Um, you know, I know Nadine Dory is the author of the Wells.
	I mean you couldn't make that up.
	Two days before he revealed Nadine Doris coming on board, he was in on Capitol Hill, Farage was denouncing the online safety act.
	Two days later, he employs the architect of the online safety act.
	But he the other day he was like, Yeah, the Boris wave is bad.
	So I'm gonna bring in Boris's biggest cheerleader, whose first words out of our mouth is you guys should bring in Boris Bye.
	What are we doing, Nigel?
	It's it's it's embarrassing, completely.
	It's crazy.
	So unnecessary.
	And it shows the lack of respect for talent within reform.
	As in why not promote some people from within, but that's why polish them up rather than regurgitating has been talked about.
	That's why it's critical, gents like you support advanced UK.
	I'm making my point.
	That's why you're here, man.
	You've got to do it because without a force like us, this country is not going to reach redemption.
	And we need all the support we can get, Col. I know I've th there's a reason that you're here.
	No, no, you know, that we're having you on.
	Like it is it is insane though, isn't it?
	Like Nigel Farraz is like, okay, I'm I'm gonna win, I'm gonna get like you know, three hundred and seventy seats or something.
	It's like Nigel, you don't have three hundred and seventy friends.
	You know like you you you you have three hundred and seventy mortal enemies because of your time in politics, but you you don't have the people to fill those positions, do you?
	Like who's his cabinet?
	And the problem associated with the need to fill literally thousands of positions and the need to sort of have a map of which bits of the civil service and the NGOCracy are you going to just all of that out on all one.
	Or everything you said presupposes that he wishes to govern with that agenda.
	Yes quite and that I think is the fallacy.
	Yes.
	The persona of Farage is not the reality.
	He just wants to have the office.
	And that and we're going to learn to our vast cost if we vote for him.
	Can I just say one more thing on that map that you showed?
	That thumping reform victory is actually made on a percentage of the vote that is much lower than would normally deliver that.
	And it's because it's such a split field elsewhere.
	And that's another reason why people should be encouraged by advanced UK.
	We don't need a very large vote share to make a very significant impact now.
	This is not a two-party system we're trying to break.
	We're trying to get in in a multi-party system.
	We can do it.
	And the and what what I I mean, you know, for us for all of his faults, he is the end of the two party system.
	Yes.
	And so if he does nothing of any use, at least open the gates.
	He's opened the gates.
	And so now the it's all to play for.
	It's all to play for.
	And I think that the DUP were able to hold Theresa's Ma Theresa May's feet to the fire over everything to do with Brexit and Northern Ireland agreement.
	Because they had such a tiny number of MPs pivotal number of MPs were necessary for that.
	Um all of Israeli politics relies on a small number of MPs holding the Prime Minister's feet to the fire.
	So having, you know, a few seats here and there other than reform, but who are critical for coalition building.
	If the seats are in the hands of wet Tories, that's one disastrous outcome.
	If these seats are in the hands of Ben Habib Rupert Lowe, that's a very different outcome.
	Yeah.
	Um we we are over time, but uh I'm enjoying the discussion, so we'll go a little bit longer.
	Screw it.
	Um You don't have do you have something to do this afternoon?
	Yes, I have a You've got a life.
	No, no, no, no, no, it's not that.
	He's got a job.
	So actually maybe the same thing, unfortunately.
	Uh I have a real politic episode in half an hour at three uh discussing whether or not Trump will be striking Iran.
	So we can't actually go for much longer.
	Um sorry for uh everyone sent in loads of comments, loads of chats and those comments on the website.
	I'm really sorry we didn't get to them today.
	It's just you know, we don't often have Ben in, obviously.
	And uh we almost just let things go organically.
	But um thank you for joining us, folks.
	Uh go to the website, sign up five pounds a month, go watch Faraz's real politic show where you're gonna be talking about what was it, Iran.
	Iran Trump.
	Right, because that's back on the table unfortunately.
	And Ben, where can people go if they'd like to support you?
	Well thank you.
	That's very kind of you to give me the opportunity to say that.
	Um please join up.
	We've got to win.
	We've got to aim to win, and I think we can win the next general election as implausible as it might sound.
	So please sign up for Advanced UK uh today.
	Go to advanceuk.org.uk, ww.advanceuk.org.uk, and join as a member.
	It's ten pounds per annum for the next day.
	On the first of October it goes up twenty pounds per annum.
	So get in while it's cheap.
	Before we go, I just want to put a point on that.
	Uh reform already founded in what, 2021?
	So reform came out of the Brexit party.
	But actually, as a proper political endeavor.
	I mean, it's only been four years.
	Well, absolutely right.
	So the notion that we can't do it is a fundamentally flawed one.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.
	I mean, Farage has actually shown us, yeah, within like three or four years, you can become the dominant national party.
	Can I just say we we do accredit Farage for for reform success, but Richard Tyson and I took the party from six percent in March twenty-three to sixteen percent before the general election.
	That's when Fras jumped on board.
	That's when he got the Clacton poll came out and he was like, Oh, wait, Clacton's gonna be a reform seat.
	I'm gonna jump in on that.
	I can't remember the name of the guy who he threw over.
	Tony Tony Mack.
	Right, yeah.
	And obviously he didn't give him what he was promised for exchanging a seat.
	But the point is, it was on the way up anyway.
	And that was what, only a few years ago.
	So to say well, he did it in a year.
	We put it on a map in a year.
	Exactly.
	So say, you know, uh everyone's like, oh well, four years.
	Well, that's actually a long time in British politics at this point.
	Yes.
	A very long time.
	Uh and a lot changes.
	I mean, like, who knows what what happens with Farage and reform tomorrow.
	But uh anyway, thank you for joining us.
	Do go uh support Ben, and we will see you in half an hour with Ferrara's show.

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