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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Load Cedars for Monday, the 29th of September, 2025.
	I'm joined by Ferris and Ben Habib of the Advanced UK Party.
	And today, it's Monday, but it's also a very good day because Labour is completely falling apart.
	Everything's going really, really bad for them.
	They're getting screwed on every front.
	And to be honest with you, I'm here for it.
	I don't know about you, Ben.
	You know, you might be a big, big Labour supporter, but I'm glad to see that.
	Do I look like a Labour supporter?
	Not from this angle.
	No, I'm glad to see them absolutely getting hammered on every front.
	But before we begin, Advance had their big announcement conference this week.
	Yeah, so we launched, officially launched yesterday.
	We had a soft launch in June when we revealed the existence of the party, but we imposed a hurdle on ourselves with 30,000 members before we would apply to the Electoral Commission to become an actual registered political party.
	And once we had that 30,000 figure in our sights, I thought we'll organise a launch, which we had in Newcastle yesterday.
	It was very successful.
	We had some headwinds last week when the hotel we'd book suddenly discovered that they didn't like the cut of our jib and they cancelled us.
	So we had some last-minute headaches, but we got a fantastic venue in a restaurant that was obviously prepared to align itself with those that are now deemed far-right if they hold any view other than a far-left one.
	And anyway, we had a very successful launch yesterday.
	Excellent.
	Thank you.
	I'm glad to hear that because Labour didn't.
	Labour are currently going through their party conference.
	And I mean, we won't watch it.
	It's absolutely abysmal.
	Like, if people thought that the Reform Party conference, what's her name doing that song was bad, this is way worse.
	But you really reasonably well-attended Labour conference, obviously.
	And you have various people bloviating about how they're going to fix the country.
	But the thing is, the public just aren't buying this, right?
	So, I mean, you know, it's at the moment, Nigel Farage, it's his time in the sun, but we are told repeatedly that reform is Nigel Farage.
	So when he decides he's had enough, we're going to need alternatives.
	But the point, as you can see here, is that Labour are screwed.
	They're absolutely screwed.
	And this is just another poll in the long line of polls of the past year that have shown that Labour are going to get crushed the next time an election is called.
	And they know it.
	And so Labour are kind of like Wily Coyote who's run out on the ledge and is just waiting for gravity to take effect.
	No, no, I really mean this as a genuinely serious metaphor.
	They've got the momentum because they're in government, but everyone can tell their feet aren't actually grounded on anything.
	And so at some point, they're going to come crashing down.
	Because I mean, Kier Starmer is actually now the most unpopular prime minister on record.
	Deservedly so, I think.
	Yes.
	Cool idea.
	100%.
	I mean, obviously, he completely deserves it.
	But as I was saying earlier, they've been in power officially for a year, but in reality, this project has been in power for 30 years.
	Exactly.
	And it's been the same ideas, very stale ideas, very wrong, false ideas that have been in control.
	And the 14 years of Conservative government in no way changed anything, had zero impact on the state and consensus within the state that was built by Tony Blair.
	And that's why they're already so exhausted because they have nothing to offer.
	I think your Starmer recently, or a couple of months ago, asked the various regulators what their suggestions for increasing growth would be.
	That's extraordinary.
	Regulators who are an imposition on growth are meant to yield their entire job.
	Exactly.
	So you're really scraping the barrel for ideas at that point.
	Exactly.
	And I'm surprised that Ms. Reeves hasn't sort of figured it out yet.
	But the coyote needs to recognize, as you rightly say, that the way to save himself is to change direction.
	Stop running off the cliff and go the other way, which is what the British electorate want.
	They keep voting for politicians to do the opposite.
	It is remarkable, isn't it?
	Just a quick thing on here.
	I'm surprised how Liz Trust has only got a 51% dissatisfaction, actually, which is a lot better than the media would have you believe.
	Yes.
	They would have you believe that she was basically the worst thing ever to happen, which I don't think she was.
	But anyway, so Kier Starmer is well aware that actually they're screwed.
	They're just completely screwed and they're going to get absolutely hammered at the next election.
	Well, we'll watch this quickly.
	Labour predecessors, when he was having a bit of bother, Harold Wilson, when asked what was going on with his leadership, he said, I tell you what's going on, this government's going on, and I'm going on.
	And John Major said to his critics, put up or shut up.
	What's Kier Starmer saying?
	Give me time, give me space.
	I am saying we have got the fight of our lives ahead of us because we've got to take on reform.
	We've got to beat them.
	And so now is not the time for introspection or navel gazing.
	There is a fight that we are all in together.
	And every single member of our party and our movement, actually everyone who cares about what this country is, whether they vote Labour or otherwise, it's the fight of our lives for who we are as a country.
	We need to be in that fight, united, not navel gazing.
	I'm absolutely clear in my mind about that.
	And that's what we're going to be talking about at the conference.
	I think if you wanted to sort of summarize Keir Starmer's personality, now is not the time for introspection.
	That's a good summary.
	Don't think about it.
	Just do it.
	He's there to implement something which he is possessed by.
	And he doesn't want to even think about it in any way.
	Well, he's a pure creature of the system.
	Yes.
	It's not just that he has been born and raised and molded by the system.
	He truly believes in the system.
	Because, I mean, look what he's saying here, right?
	He views Nigel Farage as the end of Blairism.
	He views Nigel Farage as the end of this great project of...
	Wish it were true.
	I...
	The amount of time they're like, Nigel Farage, I call reform hard right now, Michael.
	I wish.
	We wish.
	Okay, but that's their perception of it, right?
	Their perception is that Nigel Farage represents a paradigmatic shift away from the politics of 1997 onwards, right?
	And they recognize that actually the country has just had enough because there's no one else they can point to.
	Because, like you say, they've been in power for 30 years and they have.
	There's no one else they can point to to say, well, it's your fault that the country is terrible.
	No, it's your fault.
	And your fault and your fault and your fault.
	And, you know, it's all your fault.
	And the chickens have come home to roost.
	What's really interesting to me as well is that in that quote, he hasn't once thought to mention that perhaps it's the way they're governing that's the problem.
	You know, he sees the fight as entirely with another political party, and it's just a matter of beating that political party, not doing something differently ourselves.
	Well, he recognises that the other political, or he thinks the other political party represents the end of the sort of managerial paradigm entirely.
	And so for him, this is an existential threat, actually.
	And so it is more than just beating another political party.
	It's actually saving the system.
	Saving the system itself.
	That's what I think he views it as genuinely.
	And honestly, you can see why he thinks this.
	Now, he said the other day that he saw the United Kingdom rally, which you spoke, and he was terrified by it because he realized...
	Far right.
	Well, if you can get like a million far-right people out in the streets and two and a half million watching online, three and a half million far-right people in this country.
	And then Elon Musk calling in and all these other things, you realise, okay, there has been a sea change in politics, actually.
	The British public have had enough and they're changing their minds on things.
	And he's going to be on the outside of this, which is why they're all falsely saying, oh, no, we're the real Patriots, guys.
	Nobody thinks you're patriots.
	Everyone thinks that you love Davos.
	And so, yeah, you saw, well, we see lots of protests.
	This is at the Labour Party conference.
	And you can see that basically all of Labour's enemies are coming to get them.
	So, I mean, this doesn't look terribly different to the United Kingdom rally.
	You can see the no to digital ID people there.
	You can see people with our farmers, people celebrating the death of Labour, lots of England flags, lots of British flags.
	You can see it's the same sorts of people, and you've got various other ones.
	You've got the farmers' protests there.
	And again, this is another good one.
	So you see, the farmers have got the England flag there now.
	So you can see all of the enemies of Labour realizing, actually, aren't we all on the same team?
	Pretty much.
	We're all pro-Britain.
	And we're all crying out for a government that will actually represent the interests of the people of this country.
	Sounds wild.
	I know it's a wild proposition.
	Nigel Farage is on the horizon.
	Oh, my God.
	More than the interests.
	Sorry, more than the interests.
	I've always found it fascinating the left's hatred of hereditary lords and the left's hatred of farmers because they represent memory.
	They represent ancestry.
	They represent continuity, belonging.
	They are the people genuinely attached to the land and therefore the natural source of healthy, natural nationalism.
	And that's why the minute they're in power, they start sort of finding ways to stab them, be it in the Blair years trying to sort of get rid of more and more hereditary lords and that kind of thing, but also killing farmers with regulations and now the inheritance tax.
	So it's a war on memory and identity that they're engaged in.
	Oh, yes.
	And they've identified the target correctly.
	It's religion and the landed population.
	These are their two enemies.
	That's why they find the flag offensive.
	That's why they find the flag offensive.
	And so what I love about this is, I mean, this is a big protest.
	Like, you know, there's a couple of thousand people that have turned up to protest the Labour Party conference.
	I mean, the Conservative Party conference gets protested by like a handful of weirdos.
	Yes.
	You know, it's just, you know, maybe a hundred at most that you'll see like idiots.
	You know, the UKIP Party Conference get 50 people turn out to just go, oh, you're racist.
	You know, like it was very small, very trivial.
	This is not small and trivial.
	No.
	If I were the Labour Party, I'd be like, okay, why are the working people of England all getting around?
	And not just England either, but why are they all getting around and like realizing they're all on the same team and against us?
	This is a real problem for the Labour Party.
	And it looks like a party that's under siege, out of time, and with nowhere else to go.
	They've got no firm ground to stand on.
	They've got no real constituency that they represent.
	And yet for some reason, they're in power.
	And this was one of the things, going back to the conference speeches.
	So I watched all of the first day's conference speeches.
	The conference is still going on today.
	So we'll probably cover it tomorrow.
	You watched all the speeches.
	I did.
	You must be a sucker.
	Five hours of it, yeah.
	Well, it was.
	No, no, the thing is, it was kind of fascinating.
	Because on the one hand, they're like, yeah, Keir Starmer delivered us this incredible victory.
	It's like, did he?
	Did he?
	Yeah.
	Fewer votes than 2019.
	Yeah, fewer votes than Jeremy Corbyn.
	And what actually happened for Keir Starmer to get his thing?
	Well, Nigel Farage came in and slide-tackled the Conservative Party.
	That's how they got their majority.
	And everyone can see it.
	It's there in the stats.
	Everyone can feel it.
	Everyone knew that was the case.
	And yet, not once is this mentioned at the Labour Party conference.
	And they haven't got the presence of mind to take that on board.
	They should have taken their victory and understood, right, that wasn't a genuine victory.
	And we need to adjust the way we govern if we wish to stay in power.
	Or think about this.
	We could go balls to the wall.
	Full, right, reduce full throttle.
	We can reduce voting to 16.
	We can bring it digital IDs.
	We can do this.
	We can do that.
	We can do the other.
	We can go mad because we'll never rule again.
	And they will not rule again.
	Next government will definitely not come from their end of the political spectrum.
	100%.
	And the thing is, why would you ever vote for Labour again?
	If you're a radical leftist, there are alternative radical left-wing parties that will actually be authentically left-wing, thank God, and a little cul-de-sac.
	The Jezbolars imploded already.
	I know, but the Greens seem to be doing it okay.
	They're at 13%.
	So good luck to the Greens.
	But the sort of Blairite consensus has died.
	No one supports this anymore.
	And so the question is, what comes next?
	And the question is, how long is it until they accept that that's the case?
	But they've gone honestly full bore on this.
	One of the things, of course, they never accept that actually it's them.
	They've got this loveless government purely by chance.
	They don't accept this.
	They think Keir Starmer delivered this great victory.
	And they see a complete lack of humility.
	Completely.
	That is exactly what I mean.
	And coupled with stupidity.
	Yes.
	Because the numbers speak for themselves.
	They usually go together.
	They do go together.
	Absolutely.
	Hubris and stupidity.
	Another thing they didn't talk about is the polls.
	They didn't talk about the polls.
	They would say things like, we appreciate that we have a challenge on the horizon.
	We understand this is a challenging moment.
	It's like, challenging moment?
	You're about to get dragged out by a crowd and shot.
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah, it's a challenging moment.
	But they kept saying things like, well, we're against the politics of division.
	It's like, okay, so that just, in a word, just means agree with us or you're against us.
	Exactly.
	That's all that means.
	And they kept saying things like, we will mobilize the full power of the state.
	It's like, oh, God, please don't.
	You know, the last thing, the last thing anyone wants is the full state power.
	Exactly.
	It's more state interference in their lives.
	You just don't understand why everyone hates you.
	Anyway, so yeah, the protests were quite large, really.
	And you had people driving around the vans, which is something Labour started.
	But this is an innovation of Labour's that has been turned on them, which is a lesson, really, isn't it, Labour?
	But then you start getting the journalists tweeting offhanded comments from within the conference itself.
	And some of these, I think, are the best bits.
	So one person at the Labour conference, quote, I've been surprised at opposition to ID cards, especially on civil liberties grounds.
	I thought we'd moved on from that.
	After COVID, I thought people were willing to accept more government intervention into their lives.
	Jeez.
	I mean, that absolutely reveals their mindset.
	Read the room.
	Yeah.
	After COVID, we thought you were okay with paper sleep.
	You're not locking you into your homes and making you scan QR cords to go into shops and sort of policing your every breath.
	Why are you objecting to digital IDs?
	I wonder.
	It's insane how they don't understand.
	It's the laptop.
	I'm amazed it's only had 408 comments.
	That's a great point.
	But this is just remarkable.
	I can't believe that there are people in the Labour Party who don't understand why people don't want overbearing state.
	Like, how is it you still don't get it?
	But it really is like one of those things.
	Another one.
	All the feedback I'm getting from the Labour Party conference is not if Starmer will resign, it's when he will resign because the party expects to get wiped out at the local elections on the 6th of May.
	Yeah, no kidding.
	No kidding.
	Like the idea that they thought, oh, yeah, we just have the full spectrum digital ID and everyone will be okay with that.
	So there are lots of things that the British public will tolerate.
	But literally a papers please style ID has never been one of them.
	And it's all like Tony Blair couldn't get it in at the height of his power.
	What Kier Starmer, at the very nadir of his power, thinks he can do with this is ridiculous.
	And this was my favourite one.
	Overheard at the Labour conference, we door knocking, get told to F off.
	It's daily, F off now, because everyone hates us.
	Surprise.
	Surprise, surprise.
	Someone's getting it.
	But is it filtering to the leadership?
	Are they aware?
	I have seen no evidence whatsoever that the leadership understands this.
	Now, I think that they do, right?
	I think they actually do on a subconscious level at the very least.
	And probably on a more sort of rational level.
	I think they do.
	But they've decided that they're going to try and tough it out.
	They're going to put on a brave front, you know, lock arms and say, nope, we all agree that actually everything's going great.
	The labor plan is going to work.
	We're just going to raise your taxes a little bit more, says Rachel Reeves.
	Stiff upper lip will break down in tears of parliament while the ship goes down.
	And the only problem is the electorate.
	They just won't vote probably.
	If only we had smarter voters.
	Oh, wait, let's import them.
	Which has been the Labour manifesto for about 30 years now, as you pointed out.
	So, yeah, the whole thing is emblematic of a party that is just surrounded.
	And it feels like the sort of the Jewish zealots at Masada or whatever it was, where they're like, right, what's our plan?
	It's like, what, suicide pact?
	I don't know.
	Like, what are we going to do?
	Because there's nowhere to go.
	The army, the Roman army is surrounding them.
	They've got no exit.
	And so, like, they go on TV and they give these crazy little interviews where they're like, well, can you rule out increasing VAT?
	And Rachel Reeves, like, no, obviously not.
	Are they going to raise VAT even more?
	Well, the autumn budget's coming and they need money.
	They're desperate for money.
	They're going to crash the whole thing.
	They're going to crash the whole thing.
	And again, it has more prices than to cut costs.
	No, it just hasn't entered their psyche.
	It never comes up.
	It never comes up.
	There are two sides to this equation, right?
	Exactly.
	But that's the thing.
	When Starmer tried to do very modest welfare cuts, his whole backbenchers revolted against him and made him stop.
	So the MPs of Labour, the parliamentary party, they are more extreme than the activists.
	Or they are a perfect reflection of the activists.
	And remember, every time, like, this trust was brought up like four or five times throughout this conference.
	Yes.
	And it's like, okay, she ruled for a month.
	You know, she had a very modest set of costs and the Conservative Party tanked her.
	And she's being used as like this emblematic figure.
	You don't want to be like Liz Trustee.
	It's like, what do you mean?
	You don't want very minor tax cuts.
	Absolutely.
	And what major tax cuts?
	What are you talking about?
	What they accused her of, which was unfunded tax cuts of around 40 billion, was exceeded by the unfunded spending commitments made by Labour in the last budget.
	And no one puts the two together.
	But the bond markets do.
	Things are worth it.
	And interest rates are higher than they were ever under Liz Truss.
	But it comes back to what you were saying.
	It's the reversal of their ideal ideological commitments that they fear so much.
	They want to borrow tax and spend.
	And anyone who gets in the way of that is a problem.
	The lunacy of intersectionality.
	The problem that they have as a bunch of communists and, frankly, degenerates, is that when they admit one error on one front, they'll have to admit it on all fronts.
	The whole thing unravels.
	Exactly.
	And that's why you saw Jonathan Willoughby, who now goes by the name India, threatening one of the Pakistani MPs that if you say that I'm not really a woman, I'll say that you're not really British.
	And so there's a suicide pact in place.
	There's a suicide.
	If you tell the truth about me, I'm going to say the truth about you.
	Don't you dare.
	And so they're all locked into it together.
	We're all going to die together.
	It sort of puts Hamas to shame because at least some Hamas leaders run.
	So that's what it is.
	So, I mean, look at Rachel Reeves' face here.
	You can see the kind of desperation and exasperation in her position, right?
	And everyone's face looked like this.
	They all were like just this kind of end.
	That's what you're looking for.
	That's right.
	Well, that's an improvement on the lower quivering lip, isn't it?
	I suppose it is.
	And the front bench.
	I suppose it is.
	But they're constantly promising that, oh, we're going to have a library in every school.
	We're going to have free school meals.
	Look, none of these things are the problem with this country.
	It's not that children in schools are starving to death or unable to access textbooks or something like this.
	These are not the problems.
	What these are are sort of old labour boondoggles that you just think, oh, these sound good and everyone will agree with these.
	Okay, but not if they come at the constant expense of taxes rising, which they do.
	The one interesting thing so far was Andy Burnham giving a little speech.
	Now, I would play it, but the audio on this is atrocious.
	But he does point out that Keir Starmer has created a climate of fear within the Labour Party.
	And that's self-evidently true.
	I mean, when he came into power in the Labour Party before they were elected, he just started, well, excising those elements that he considered unacceptable, basically, the Corbyn Easters.
	He kicked them all.
	I mean, he kicked out Corbyn and he nearly kicked out Diane Abbott and various others.
	And he's clearly ruling the party with an iron fist.
	And this has created this kind of atmosphere.
	And I think this is the reason why on the stage, people could only say hypothetically positive things, like things that they think would be, you know, we've got to put on the brave face.
	We can't really have, as he said, introspection into the current circumstances of the Labour Party now, because that would be to admit any kind of weakness or failure.
	And like you said, the whole thing starts unraveling.
	You start talking about how there are weaknesses and problems in the Labour Party.
	And so Andy Burnham, who is obviously challenging Keir Starmer, is the one person I heard.
	And he's not even on the main stage.
	He's in like a side room speaking.
	He's got a packed room.
	I'll get it up just so you can see.
	See, the audience.
	I'm not going to be able to debate at this conference, in my view, is how can you have an open debate about all of those things if there's too much of a climate of fear within our party and the way the party is being run?
	How do you bet no people about you see?
	It's a very well-attended sort of side, you know, breakout room, whatever they call them.
	But the point being is that obviously you can feel the fragility of the Labour Party at this point.
	Yes.
	They've decided, no, we've got to all lock in and just, and as they say, there's just effing, do it, just do things.
	Just do this.
	It's interesting to hear him argue in favour of debate when government policy right across the nation is to shut down freedom of speech.
	You know, they're doing it.
	Andy Burnham's equally guilty of the whole thing.
	They're all guilty of not being prepared to debate the main issues.
	Absolutely.
	And this, we'll get into that later, in fact, how they've been shutting down debate.
	But you see this everywhere.
	I mean, like, look at who's been arrested in the past three weeks or so.
	And it's from every political angle.
	It's just like, God, we've got enemies everywhere.
	We need to just, you know, grab them all.
	So the point being, I just wanted to end with this.
	It was just, it's actually, I'm really enjoying watching the Labour Party squirm.
	I'm really enjoying watching them desperately trying to figure out how they can get out of the fact that they have ruined the country.
	This is the end of the Blairite project.
	And that just everyone is in arms against them.
	It's genuinely wonderful to watch.
	And they just reek of desperation at this point, which is another thing that I like to see in my political enemies.
	Anyway, Burning Beard says, I hear X just banned the UGov account for threatening to arrest citizens.
	I don't believe that.
	I don't believe that.
	I haven't seen that.
	Ben, good luck with your party.
	You and Rupert are the best of the member at Need.
	Unfortunately, I think Nigel will be a letdown.
	Well, you don't have to persuade us, man.
	I mean, on the plus side, Nigel did come out and say he was against the digital IDs.
	So that's something.
	Yeah, that was encouraging.
	Yeah.
	I think the positive thing about Nigel Farag is going to be that he's going to be extremely beholden to the online right.
	And that this whole story, that Twitter is not real life, Twitter is real life.
	It's very much real life.
	It's where the really politically engaged people are.
	Exactly.
	And it filters down.
	The rest of the nation wakes up.
	Whatever happens on Twitter today.
	Look at Keir Starmer with the United Kingdom.
	Yeah, look at Keir Starmer with the United Kingdom rally.
	His whole thing is, I was terrified by the scale of this rally, wherever it is.
	There we go.
	This interview, he's saying that he was terrified by the scale of the rally.
	Well, that was organized via X. That was organized by Tommy Robinson on Twitter.
	So it's like, no, this is real.
	Obviously, it's real people using the internet.
	And so it genuinely, with enough, you know, the scope of it becomes something that impacts national politics to the point where the Prime Minister himself is basically running scared of Tommy Robinson, which I guess.
	Well, he should run scared of the million plus people, two and a half million watching online, who stand in utter opposition to the governing classes.
	Yes.
	That's what he should run scared of.
	And the right response is to change the way you're governing.
	No introspection.
	Make it very much.
	Imagine the sunk cost fallacy of Killer Star.
	Right.
	Imagine how much he has poured his heart and soul into making the UK this thing.
	Can you imagine?
	I know his whole ideology unravels, but can you imagine how the British electorate would respond if suddenly he were to turn around and say, look, I get it.
	We're going to stop the dinghies.
	We're going to deport people who are here illegally, detain them and deport them.
	We're cutting your taxes.
	We're slashing the welfare bill.
	We're going to empower.
	We're ditching net zero because it clearly isn't working.
	Trump's right.
	Yeah.
	You know, everyone goes.
	I can't even imagine.
	Can you imagine?
	He would do better in the polls.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, people would be encouraged by that.
	But Andy Burnham will end up becoming prime minister.
	Maybe.
	Because the parliamentary Labour Party will absolutely crucify.
	He's being held hostage by radicals.
	He was part of.
	And he can't get away from it.
	But he is also a true believer in the system itself, remember?
	He is a true believer in the system.
	So, yeah, basically, I love watching them in an impossible position.
	Because I'm not in that position myself, so it's not my problem.
	And these people have been ruining the country.
	So it's good that I like the fact that finally politics has got to an inflection point where these people literally have nowhere to go.
	There's nowhere they can run.
	There's nowhere they can hide.
	They can't put up a smokescreen.
	They can't pivot.
	There's nothing to pivot to.
	You've exhausted every angle.
	Smath says, Ben loved your speech at the United Kingdom rally, especially the unplanned bit.
	It was a good speech.
	Well, that was on Stalma, too, I think, wasn't it?
	Well, that was the thing.
	Yeah, exactly.
	For anyone who doesn't know, the crowd sort of spontaneously started breaking out into a chorus of Kier Starmer as a wanker, which is a widely held belief.
	And seems to be a point of consensus.
	Yeah, I mean, we have the polling to prove it, just in case you weren't aware.
	That, yeah, it's very widely held.
	But, right, okay, let's move on to the next part of Labour's failing project.
	Yes, sure.
	So let's talk a little bit about policing in Britain, which, according to Ms. Shabana Mahmoud, is doing very, very well.
	Bravery, duty, honor, that is what makes our police officers the finest in the world.
	We honor those who made the ultimate sacrifice for this country and for us all.
	Firstly, obviously we honour the people that made a sacrifice, but obviously.
	Can we say that British police are the finest in the world these days?
	Well, it's not, you know, I hear politicians repeatedly saying, we're going to improve the criminal justice system.
	We're going to recruit another 20,000 police officers.
	But that's not the problem.
	The problem is the police officers we've got don't know what they should be policing.
	Or certainly they're not policing the right things.
	Correct.
	You know, we get 12,000 investigations each year now into non-crime hate incidents.
	This is not where police efforts should be going.
	And so recruiting any number of police officers is never going to solve the problem.
	What we need is a complete root and branch reformation or restoration rather of the country so that the police understand what their job is.
	Yes.
	And this is a major problem, the politicization of the police.
	Because it comes through the College of Policing where essentially they're insanely woke.
	Yes.
	And they give them instruction in things that, frankly, these people are not intellectually equipped to deal with.
	Are you going to have an argument about the intellectual merits of transgender philosophy with a police officer?
	No, they don't know.
	They don't know what they're talking about.
	They are instruments of the criminal justice system.
	They're not meant to be political activists.
	They're not going to break out Judith Butler and go, yeah, well, it is a social construct.
	Can we debate this through?
	Exactly.
	They don't know.
	And the thing is, it's not fair to make them know, or to expect them to know.
	No, nor should they be.
	They should be there to keep the peace and to arrest people who have broken the law.
	That's literally all they're for.
	So why are we having political conversations through the medium of the police?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And as labor panics and is in complete chaos, what they're doing is obviously doubling down this and while completely ignoring crime.
	So you have this gentleman here.
	Two men forced themselves into his home.
	This is insane.
	Apparently produced some kind of fake tenancy agreement.
	And now he's had to move in with his parents because they've literally taken away his house.
	The police are like, yeah, this is a civil matter.
	It's like, no, this is not.
	This is someone who's stolen my house from me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, imagine if this guy had children.
	Oh, my God.
	And what do you do then?
	You just let them be homeless?
	Yeah.
	But what are the police actually working on?
	Well, they arrested Northern Variant recently for a meme that said F Hamas, F Palestine, F Islam.
	And that was the bit that got him.
	That was the bit that got him.
	But apparently, under the Public Order Safety or whatever Act of 1986 against racial hatred.
	But where's the race in any of what he said?
	That's the point, isn't it?
	And that's what the Labour, they're bringing in the new Islamophobia definition.
	Yes.
	To do is to essentially render Islam a kind of racial property.
	So we've already got that, haven't we?
	If they're arresting people, effectively, they've already implemented the political.
	They're implementing a blasphemy law.
	Yeah, they're implementing their laws.
	They can be enthusiastic when it suits them.
	It goes a bit further than that, though, because to say Islam is a racial property of, well, the Muslims, I suppose we'll call them.
	It is to create a kind of ontological and metaphysical declaration of what it is to be a Muslim.
	And therefore, the Muslims can't not be Muslims.
	they're not allowed to change their opinion they're not allowed to change their mind because then they would lose the status that the government but not just that Yeah, A, it's the protection, but the government has kind of committed it to them.
	It's like saying, no, you are this thing.
	You are now the victim.
	You're not allowed to change your mind.
	You're not allowed to critique Islam or anything like that.
	And so the very idea that Islam is a religion is actually not really true by what the government interpolates it as.
	There's more to say on it, but I don't want to keep going.
	It's actually really, really perverse.
	Yes, because Islam prides itself on the idea that it is non-racial.
	There's an enormous amount of racism in Muslim societies, but it prides itself on being non-racial.
	And it seems that the police are just completely clueless because Dave Atherton and Tommy Robinson were spoken to by the police about this meme.
	It got absolutely nowhere.
	There was nothing to charge.
	But they still went after Peter North for posting the same meme.
	Well, did he post it or did he retweet it?
	I think he posted it.
	I think he posted it.
	I posted it again in solidarity.
	Religion is a protected characteristic under British law.
	So saying F-Islam kind of is by their own standards.
	But that's the point.
	But if you want to go down this route, the Quran makes it clear that Jews and Christians are kuffar and are unbelievers.
	And it also legitimates all kinds of violence against kuffar.
	You don't have to persuade me.
	You've got to persuade the British government.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	Who appears to be a fully Islamic state at this point, frankly?
	Yes, that they are beholden and terrified of the Muslim mob and they are behaving accordingly.
	And there is no principle behind it.
	The police officers apparently didn't know what Hamas was.
	I know, that's just outrageous, isn't it?
	Now, I don't know if they were playing coy.
	Which they may have been.
	Which they may have been, or if they're genuinely that stupid.
	Well, I mean, is it their job to know what Hamas is?
	No, not really.
	You have to have been asleep under a rock.
	You do, yeah.
	Not to know what Hamas is.
	But I mean, if I was a police officer, I probably would not want to get involved with politics at the end of the day either.
	It is a proscribed terrorist organization.
	It is, yeah, it is.
	Yep.
	But they also detained the British leaders of Britain first.
	And I just want to play this clip because it's absolutely hilarious to show you the extent of confusion by the police.
	Firstly, notice that the lady officers look like they're teenagers.
	You're just holding us up for no reason.
	Okay.
	Have we committed a crime?
	We'll just try to have a discussion in a minute.
	No, I'm asking you a question.
	Have we committed a crime?
	So there's the feminization aspect of it.
	Let's just have a chat.
	I don't want to chat with you.
	Either why you're retaining or I'm not.
	Why are you detaining me?
	Exactly.
	Either I'm under arrest or I'm not.
	I don't want to chat.
	You've got the word wanker that's displayed on the screen.
	So someone might take offense to the story.
	I wonder who that's talking about.
	You might see it as a different way.
	But that's not a crime, is it?
	It's a pop-up reference.
	The only person who would take offense to that is Kier Starmer.
	Everyone else agrees with it.
	I'm not saying anything.
	And we have the polling to demonstrate that everyone else agrees with it.
	Let's not forget that.
	Scientifically proof.
	But remain biased, but that's obviously why I've come down to the bottom.
	So, if we've not committed a criminal offence, then can we go?
	Well, just for the time being, in terms of you've got Britain first written on the side of the fans, what's wrong with that prescribed organization?
	What are these girls doing?
	This isn't the worst part.
	Well, you said they weren't prepared to get involved in politics.
	Yeah, they've misdescribed Britain first.
	We just want to have a bunch of people.
	They describe them as a proscribed organization.
	Because on one of their manuals, when they looked up Britain first, they found far-right.
	They assumed that everybody far-right is proscribed by definition because we don't tolerate the far-right.
	And therefore, they decided to proceed as though they had some legal basis for their actions.
	So, the stupidity of the police and the youth and naivete of the police are really problems here.
	Because anybody with experience and any decency has left already.
	We saw the gentleman who was fired from the police because he said some nasty words to a guy that he was arresting, who was trying to stab someone.
	It was a couple of months ago.
	And now you have these-I mean, their ability to exercise authority is predicated on British men's restraint.
	I was going to come to that.
	Absolutely.
	Because if they decide to push back, what are they going to do?
	What are they going to do?
	It's all assumed that the average Englishman will just comply with the police.
	That's why they think they can send £100.
	That put them in danger.
	They are girls are in danger.
	They're brainwashing them and putting them in danger.
	And as Orwell said, the most vicious party operators were the young women.
	They know that the process is the punishment.
	They're willing to go through the process for Pete North.
	He had some kind of autism episode that really could have gotten him killed because of his blood pressure issues.
	They took him and questioned him for five, six hours in the middle of the night.
	They had no reason to show up at night.
	They're using this for the same reason.
	They're using this process as punishment.
	And here with the Britain First guys, they found that they had nothing to arrest them for.
	So they summoned a traffic officer from half an hour away to check the vehicle to see if they could find some reason to stop that vehicle and threaten to impound it.
	This goes back to where we started the discussion.
	How can the police possibly control crime if this is how they're behaving?
	What crime are they concerned about?
	Yeah, what crime are they concerned about?
	They're looking for the crime.
	And they can be no better example.
	If I can just quickly say this, there can be no better example of how our criminal justice system clearly isn't working.
	Last year, at the time that they were releasing dangerous repeat criminals from prison to make room in prison cells, they were incarcerating people for what they'd said on X. Yep, over Southport.
	You know, over Southport.
	Absolutely absurd.
	Lucy Connie, threat to the peace.
	Yeah, Peter Lynch, a threat to the police.
	61-year-old grandfather, who sadly then took his own life in prison because he couldn't cope with it.
	The whole system needs rewiring.
	It's a deep dive of rewiring the system.
	It's an expressly political system, though, isn't it?
	The criminals are not a political threat to the Labour Party.
	In fact, they'll cheer Kier Starmer when he lets them out of jail.
	So they're not a problem.
	They don't threaten the political integrity of the system.
	It's you saying Keir Starmer is a wanker.
	That does.
	Maybe I'm going to be arrested for that.
	Well, I'm just going to say, I repeated what the crowd was saying.
	Stand on it.
	Stand on it.
	We need our martyrs.
	They arrested George Galloway on terrorism charges.
	I mean, he was coming back from Russia, and they asked him about his views of Sergei Lavrov.
	Why is he a fan of Sergei Lavrov?
	I have my views.
	Why I respect Sergei Lavrov.
	He's very good at what he does.
	And when Liz Truss was foreign secretary, he absolutely foreign minister of Russia.
	I didn't want to put my foot in it, but he's a very capable, old, experienced diplomat, isn't he?
	Extremely capable.
	Love him, hate him, doesn't matter.
	But he's obviously capable.
	They asked him about his views of Xi Jinping.
	They asked his wife why she had painted her nails in the Palestinian flag.
	Really?
	And they were five hours.
	They would have preferred an entire flag wrapped around her shoulders.
	I don't understand what was the problem.
	But they held them for five hours so that he missed some event that he was speaking at where the Chinese ambassador was in attendance.
	There we go.
	So it was clear political harassment, clear, deliberate political harassment.
	He was held under terrorism laws, meaning that he was told that he's not under arrest and he can't leave and he can't stay silent.
	That's what they detained Tommy Robinson under as well.
	Yes.
	And they're using these more and more widely in order to get their way.
	So what's at no point did they ask George Galloway, and I don't like George Galloway, but at no point did they ask George Galloway, where you were involved in trying to bomb something?
	Where you.
	What was the terrorist action?
	Freedom of thought.
	That's terroristic.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I think he's wrong about most important things in life.
	I think he's right about a couple of people.
	He's not just wrong about almost everything.
	Honestly, I put him in the same league as Corbyn as just being a traitor.
	He's an enemy of the British people and he sides with every hundred interests against us.
	And it's really annoying that he's such a good rhetorician because I actually really enjoy listening to him talk.
	Like if he gives a speech on something, you can't deny his skill, but he's a traitor.
	I mean, you know.
	Yep.
	But if we're going to hold people under terrorism charges.
	He's not a terrorist.
	He's an idiot.
	Exactly.
	And that we legitimize this guy.
	Yeah.
	And this is what I can't get my head round.
	Yes.
	A liberal al-Qaeda, the head trapper.
	I know.
	Who's still killing people in Syria?
	The Alawis are still being slaughtered.
	The Alawis, the Druze, a lot of pressure on the Christian community.
	And he gets welcomed by the UN.
	Red carpet rolled out.
	And David Lammy proceeds to give him a hundred.
	Exactly.
	That's literally all it's come down to.
	That's exactly what it's come down to.
	That's exactly what it's come down to.
	That's all it's come down to.
	Kevo Almacian had a banger.
	This is Julani's wanted poster from the United States.
	From 2017.
	From 2017.
	$10 million reward.
	Our friend is trying to cash in.
	While he's having a chat with David Petraeus, former head of the CIA.
	It's just extraordinary.
	It's absolutely...
	And then we wonder why there's geopolitical instability.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	I mean, if you're going to go around arresting terrorists, I think David Lamy has been collaborating with terrorists.
	I have very good reason to believe that.
	He literally is collaborating with the terrorists, right?
	I think there's a terrorism financing charge waiting for some people in the foreign office.
	David, you can make some money out of this.
	It's just the level of absurdity of it is the most insulting part.
	But this is also, this must be remembered, it's a deliberate humiliation ritual.
	They've been wanting to rub your noses in it for quite some time.
	They know that this is a humiliation ritual.
	They are going to keep on doing it until things are out of control.
	And as someone from Lebanon who's saving the Labour government, the sort of liberal establishment, whatever you want to call them, as someone from a sort of war-torn country, I pray that we don't go there.
	But please, Pierce Tarmer, some introspection, huh?
	He told us very clearly.
	Now is not the time for introspection, which I agree with.
	He's not going to do that.
	They arrested Katie Hopkins or spoke to her because she said that some because she described herself as a spaz, as a spastic.
	When did they do this to Katie?
	Only the other day, yeah.
	Last week, I believe.
	Yeah, the 23rd.
	Because there's so many of them, Ben.
	You can't keep up with them.
	Oh, I know.
	It's very difficult.
	Though I imagine Katie can give as good as she gets.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And we have Ed Dutton coming to her defense saying that she's well within her right to use the word spastic.
	Good for Ed.
	Good for Ed.
	It's, I mean, really?
	The police are going after this kind of stuff?
	But remember, they're the finest.
	They're the finest.
	Yes, and Sarah White, of course.
	Yes.
	So they arrested this lady because she put up the flag on the stairs when the protest area was supposed to stop at the bottom of the bottom of the stairs.
	Oh, thanks.
	And that was enough of a crime to arrest her.
	Oh, my God.
	You see them here.
	But you know, just on that.
	I'm just going to have a little dig at Farage's by May.
	Sarah White is a prospective counsellor for Reform UK, and not one senior member of Reform has spoken up for her for her right to protest.
	They are also trying to save what can be saved from the establishment, but they perhaps do not accept the extent of the rot that needs to be burnt away.
	But it's strange for him.
	I think it's more, I think it's less prosaic than I think Farage just wants power at any cost and he'll say.
	But this would be such an easy win.
	Oh, they've arrested our counselor for flying the British flag.
	This allows me to very easily jam a wedge between the Labour Party and the Patriots.
	Quite and point out that actually you're not very patriotic if you're arresting people for flying the British flag.
	Whereas, of course, we're not going to arrest people flying out.
	I think reformists have forbidden people to go to these migrant hotel protests.
	But it tells you precisely where their mind is.
	You know, it's the same micromanaging procedural mindset of the Labour Party of the Tory Party.
	Absolutely right.
	It's the same micromanaging, proceduralist mindset that is not focused on principle and that is not in the world.
	And it's focused on party interests, party before country.
	More than that, it's just he doesn't want anybody to put him in an awkward position where the media would be angry with him in the same way that Boris Johnson decided to open the floodgates so that the FT would write better headlines about it.
	But there's no redemption.
	There's no mindset.
	There's no redemption for this country through that mindset.
	And moreover, I suspect that it's inhibiting Farage's polling actually.
	Like, don't get me wrong, being at like 30 to sort of 33% of the polls is very good.
	But why aren't you at 40 or 50%?
	Everyone agrees with the problems.
	Like, why aren't you going full ball and going hard on basically patriotism and what the problem is?
	I think he's made.
	The first mistake he makes is not to actually be the man that the people want him to be.
	But also, I think the other mistake he's made is he hasn't realized how strongly the people feel about this.
	And he must have looked at the Unite the Kingdom march and thought, blind me, I should have been on that stage.
	I bet he got FOMO.
	What's the reason not to?
	They're the British people.
	They're your people.
	Speak to the people.
	A million people are in the streets, Nigel.
	They would have liked to have heard from you.
	Yeah.
	He missed such an opportunity.
	And he's missing the point.
	And without wishing to bring Advance UK into it, that's why there is room for a party like Advance UK.
	Because even though...
	It's not even there's room, there's necessary.
	It's necessary.
	It's absolutely.
	Well, thank you.
	I think it's absolutely vital that there is a party like Advance UK.
	And even though people are saying, oh, you're going to split the vote, we can have a whole debate about splitting votes.
	I think Farage and Reform are going to be in for a surprise because the Overton window is much further over than they think it is.
	And when we get our registration and when we start polling, we're going to make a much bigger impact.
	And the numbers that you're seeing for reform are going to change quite dramatically.
	I think Farage doesn't understand.
	The British public is far to his right on almost every issue at this point.
	Yes.
	And I think if you think about the success of the left, it was the result of very strong activists very much further to the left of Tony Blair and Kier Starmer.
	Pulling him over.
	Pulling them over, holding their feet to the fire, holding them accountable, keeping on pressing them to make sure that they don't abandon the rest of the project.
	And so Advance UK Restore, these other groupings should play the same precise role in terms of imposing a level of integrity on someone like Nigel Farage.
	Yeah, I think the word is almost at least a paradox, if not a contradiction.
	But more impose.
	Hence impose.
	Not encourage.
	Farage is not going to be here forever.
	No.
	One thing that I think people are forgetting.
	Because Zia Yousuf next.
	Well, that's the point.
	Without Farage, who have they actually got to be his successor?
	Well, it's obviously Zia Yousuf.
	He's been rooming for this position.
	But are you going to follow Zia Youssef?
	Obviously, we're probably a bad example for the room.
	But what percentage of reform voters are actually going to be like, yeah, my man is now Zia Youssef?
	Yes.
	No, it is a Farage phenomenon.
	Well, that's what they're telling us.
	And okay, I'll accept it.
	So what happens afterwards?
	Yeah.
	Sorry, that's Karen.
	No, I mean, let's just sort of see what the police are busying themselves with.
	What is Ned on Dunbar with the protest then?
	Stop putting your flag away until you get there.
	What's happening here?
	The police are ordering someone to put the flag away until he gets to the protest.
	What do you mean, put it away?
	Have you seen the size of it, Love?
	What am I going to do with it?
	What are my options?
	Why is this your concern?
	Why is this your concern?
	Englishman walking around with the England flag, you better put that away, bro.
	And he looks like a threat.
	Well, this was happening yesterday when I was in Newcastle.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Because there was a protest up the road.
	You know, UKIP were marching, and I don't know if this was part of the UKIP march, but this is extraordinary.
	Look at the way he grabs that flag and rips it out.
	Well, he's a real man.
	He grabbed it out of the hands of a 16-year-old girl.
	But the thing about that is, isn't it?
	It's like we like to pretend that, oh, well, the police, they're just good people who are just following rules, and it's the people making the rules that are bad.
	Well, not all of them, actually.
	Not really.
	Some of them are actually total jobsworths who enjoy doing this.
	Yeah, you could see two things from this.
	You could see zero respect for the flag, which is, I think, substantially, it's a substantial point.
	It's important.
	And you could see the power trip.
	And you can see the power trip.
	And you see that with all of these officers who are sort of playing very polite and trying to control themselves, but you could also see the seething.
	I remember I was arrested one time for distributing pamphlets about please don't have transsexuals reading to children.
	And the officer arresting me, when he read my pamphlet, began trembling.
	Really?
	Literally began trembling in a sort of uncontrollable seething rage.
	Found a transfer.
	Oh my God, they warned me this would happen.
	Exactly.
	And I asked them, you're arresting me.
	Why are you shaking?
	You know?
	Yeah, I should be shaking.
	And then they turned nasty.
	They tried to tell me, oh, you know, we can dispose of you in a couple of ways.
	I'm like, do whatever you want.
	You explained to them that you're an immigrant.
	That might have helped.
	Maybe I should have.
	You don't.
	You look and feel like an immigrant.
	Well, I try my best to integrate, Ben.
	So you see that on the personal level, it turned out some senior guy spoke to me, and at the end, I tried to shake his hand, but it was in public before I got arrested.
	Just trying to be a gentleman about it.
	He absolutely refused because he was worried that the Trantifa, who were there protesting one guy with pamphlets, would snap a photograph of him, and that would be the end of his career.
	Right.
	So the senior most officers are completely woke.
	And the people with any integrity have left.
	And you see these kids on a power trip who are completely ideological.
	And that constitutes the police force.
	The two girls with the Britain first guys.
	That was a power trip.
	Exactly.
	That was 100% a power trip.
	Because there's no way.
	Like, you know, Paul Golden's not a small guy.
	There's no way that these young ladies would have been able to bully him outside of that context.
	Exactly.
	And so, you know, when you can, maybe you should consider doing this.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	How are you?
	I'm fine.
	Can I ask you the purpose of your recordings today, sir?
	No, thank you.
	Sorry?
	No, thank you.
	Why not?
	I don't wish to talk today.
	Sorry?
	I don't wish to talk today.
	I can't understand you, sir.
	I don't wish to talk today.
	Thank you.
	I don't wish to talk.
	No, thank you.
	Okay, where have you come from?
	Where are you going to?
	Just completely ignored them, walked away.
	How dare the policeman ask him where he's from and where he's going?
	Why he's recording.
	I'm walking on the recording.
	I can do whatever I like.
	I know, because the law is written in such a way so that if someone claims to be offended, if someone claims to be upset, if someone claims to have been caused distress, the police can intervene.
	And the way the law is written in a manner that permits the police to intervene in any political speech on that basis.
	Because if I disagree with you with your politics, there's a good chance one of us might get offended.
	You know, especially if it gets into a heated argument, which it always does on X. And it's not just that as well.
	It's the general atmosphere of the institution is very clearly you've got to make sure that those people who are following the rules are following them in the way that we want them followed.
	Don't worry about those violent criminals with the knives.
	You won't be tasked with investigating that.
	The chap walking down the street, make sure that you know where he's going.
	So the police are saying that they want the law changed so that they don't have to police tweets.
	But last I trashed.
	Surely it's discretionary anyway.
	In the same way that they, on their own discretion, choose not to pursue shoplifting, theft, rape, murder, burglary.
	When Shaddana Mahmoud says these are the finest, that this is the finest police force.
	I'm sorry, this is official government data.
	And I'm going to read some segments from it.
	The proportion of crimes, excluding fraud and computer misuse, resulting in a charge or summons increased slightly to 5.7%.
	Oh, my God.
	There's a 94.3% chance you just getting away.
	Exactly.
	Any crime you commit, you have to be a moron to get arrested if you commit a crime in Britain other than tweeting or saying something.
	I was going to say calm down because that's throwing a lot of shade on the online right there.
	Because we're getting arrested constantly.
	Exactly.
	And of course, a much smaller proportion get convicted.
	Of course.
	Yes, of course.
	Precisely.
	Precisely.
	The most common reason is no suspect having been identified.
	They couldn't find anybody.
	Who did it, bro?
	Around one in nine offences involving a firearm were closed with a charge or a summons.
	My God.
	So about 12% of all shootings resulted in some criminal action, some serious criminal action.
	But you know why this is, right?
	It's because they are dealing with communities that basically do not recognize their authority and will not cooperate with them.
	Precisely.
	Of course, if something happens in sort of like, you know, my area, you know, mostly middle-class white people, so they will, oh, did you hear something?
	Oh, yeah, maybe I did, you know.
	But, you know, if you're, it's the sort of Sasha Johnson case.
	Do you know about that case?
	No, I don't.
	So there's this radical black activist, young lady called Sasha Johnson, constantly defund the police.
	I hate white people and that sort of stuff.
	And at a house party she was out on a Sunday night at like 3 a.m.
	Some urban youths turned up and started shooting into the house.
	She took a bullet to the brain and is now in a wheelchair.
	And no one knows who did it because the community will not cooperate with the police to find the people who did it.
	And so it's exactly that example of we don't cooperate with the police.
	And so you're now in a wheelchair forever and whoever did this to you will get away with it and nothing will ever happen.
	I suppose on X they know precisely who posted it.
	Well, I mean possibly, but this is the point, right?
	They don't recognize the legitimacy of the police.
	Exactly.
	And the police don't feel like they are legitimate policing those communities either because of all of the woke ideology.
	And so they don't feel, because I mean, okay, let's assume, like, you go back 50, 60 years, okay, you've got a community who like, we don't recognize the authority of the police.
	And the police were like, okay, but we've got the clubs.
	You know, we don't care.
	But now they won't go there.
	Exactly.
	Now they're like, well, I mean, you know, better avoid that.
	It's like, no, you club them into submission.
	They will recognize the authority.
	And it was like, again, with the Southport protests, with the counter-protests, where the police were pleading with the counter-protesters not to take out weapons.
	But the weapons in the mosques.
	But the weapons in the mosques.
	Mad.
	Please.
	Please.
	Yeah, yeah, sorry.
	Yeah.
	Don't forget the please.
	Courtesy is very important in a situation like that.
	That's the point that the stewards of these communities, not the rulers of these communities.
	Exactly.
	And the rate of arresting people, charging people for crimes, has gone down from 11% in the good old days of 2016 to just 4.6% where there is a victim identified.
	It must be Brexit, I guess, is it?
	Yeah, another reason to rejoin.
	As in, because...
	They've let go.
	Yeah.
	And Shabana Mahmoud is saying that they're the finest.
	Come on.
	Well, hey, let's take a look at this.
	This is the plan.
	This is what they want for the country.
	Let's go on to the next bit because this dovetails very nicely with what I'd like to talk about next.
	Sorry, please.
	In the interest of time.
	So, Kier Starmer has recently come out and said, you know what?
	The current state of the country, I think, is beautiful.
	I think it's tolerant.
	I think it's shockless.
	This is Britain as envisaged by the Blairite managerial class.
	I love and have pride in my country, and I want to serve the whole of our country, our beautiful, tolerant, diverse country, and I want to serve the whole of that country.
	And I was arguing against reform because reform do not believe in that country.
	They want to tear that country apart.
	What was said last week about deporting migrants who are lawfully here, who've been here for years, working in our hospitals and our schools, running businesses, our neighbors, and reform say they want to deport them.
	That would tear our country apart.
	We are at the moment a leading member of the Coalition of the Willing.
	So we'll pause it there because that, I think, is a fascinating, fascinating statement.
	Because what they're doing is when he says our country, we could say, yeah, your country, their country, not our country.
	There are two separate groups that are being identified here.
	And honestly, you're right.
	Nigel Farris did not say anything of the sort.
	But that is actually what is kind of being pushed up by the United Kingdom rally.
	The old Britain before the Blairite project still exists to a certain degree in most of the country.
	But the new Britain that he's thinking of, where, oh, we've brought on all of these people against your will.
	And now they are as important.
	Absolutely.
	They are as important as the people who have been here since Cheddar Matt.
	Actually, call them more important.
	Well, that's important.
	Because they have protected characteristics.
	Absolutely.
	And must be promoted and celebrated.
	And that's where he talks about diversity.
	That's where the division comes in.
	Precisely.
	And so just a quick thing.
	This is what he recognises.
	He sees the modern multicultural UK Britain where no one's ever arrested, nothing works.
	There's not enough housing.
	There's not enough services.
	The NHS is collapsing.
	The fact that everyone's unhappy, that country, that was the ideal.
	That's how things are supposed to be.
	That's why Shabana Mahmood is like, oh, yeah, the police are doing a great job.
	No, they're terrible.
	What are you talking about?
	They say they don't love our country.
	Well, have you looked at the state of it?
	Have you looked at what you've done to our country?
	Swindon, and I say this every time, 15 years ago, Swindon was actually quite nice.
	It was actually really quite nice.
	And it was, you know, not very exciting, but it was just normal and it was familiar.
	And there were people there who you recognized.
	And now it's just a wasteland of strangers from all over the country, all over the world.
	And they've been brought here against our will.
	And Kierstan was like, Yeah, I love that country.
	It's like, well, I'm sorry, Kier.
	I do want to tear that country apart.
	I want those people to go home.
	We don't know who they are.
	They shouldn't be here.
	They weren't brought here with our consent.
	So they can just go.
	And you say, okay, well, he's actually brought here against our consent.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	There's been successive governments elected on it over and over on cutting immigration.
	And they've done the opposite.
	Every manifesto.
	Yeah.
	Every manifesto.
	Since probably before John Major.
	Including this lot.
	Yeah.
	He said they'd stop illegal migrants.
	He can't even call them illegal migrants.
	He calls them irregular migrants.
	Yeah.
	Because he doesn't see them as illegal.
	And so it's like, okay, well, okay, Kier.
	You're like, they're our friends and our neighbours.
	It's like, but are they, though?
	Like, when you actually speak to any of them, is this a friend or a neighbor?
	If a war was to break out, would you fight for this country?
	Absolutely no way.
	This ain't my country.
	I might be a British citizen, but I'm here just to live and be at peace.
	I'm not here to fight no one else else's spells.
	You know what I mean?
	So some people might.
	Right, there we go.
	I mean, you couldn't get it any more crystal clear.
	This ain't my country.
	It's like, yeah, I agree.
	I agree that this is not your country.
	Why are you here against my will?
	Like, these, like, they will just come out and say to you that they don't really consider themselves to be of this place.
	It's like, okay, fine.
	I mean, this isn't someone who's going to get deported by Nigel Farage anyway.
	So it's not, you know, great example.
	This is where, I mean, this is where 30 years of this project has led us.
	Yes.
	They have deliberately set aside the nation-state and any belief in the nation-state.
	You started this program talking about how they wanted to attack farmers because they represent a line of continuity to our past.
	They connect us with our past and they're setting it aside.
	So you get young men like this who actually don't realize how bloody lucky they are to be British citizens, what a privilege it is, and actually the obligations which go with it, which are being prepared to stand up for this country.
	And the lack of honor, the lack of honor implied in, okay, I'm getting great things from this place, but I just want to live here.
	I don't want to fight for it.
	I mean, this kid would have been born and raised here.
	Yeah.
	You can tell by his accent.
	And his view is, this ain't my country.
	It's like, okay, where do you think you're from?
	Yeah.
	You know, and like Nigel, like, he's not going to be under the indefinite leave to remain.
	I reckon he was born and raised here.
	I don't know, obviously.
	So, but this attitude, if this is pervasive in migrant or minority communities that have been here for decades now, well, then how can you expect anyone who's just got off the boat in the Boris wave to give a damn about the country?
	Like, this is ridiculous.
	And Kirstam's like, oh, we can't have this guy deported.
	It's like, why?
	Like, sorry, why?
	You know, why, why not?
	You know, they're not, they're not integral to the fabric of the country.
	And yet, that's his position.
	He's like, no, he thinks this is fundamentally a racist policy, which I think is a fantastic angle of attack that hasn't been used before.
	And I think this is.
	I know, we've never heard that accusation bandied about before.
	It's very novel.
	And I think it's really going to turn Labor around in the polls.
	It's one thing to say we're going to remove illegal migrants, people who have no right to be here.
	I'm up for that.
	It is a completely different thing to say we are going to reach in to people who are lawfully here and start removing them.
	They are our neighbors.
	That's what we're said in our economy.
	They are part of who we are.
	It will rip this country apart.
	And if you're patriotic, you want to serve the whole of your country.
	Could you pause for a second in your life?
	Yes, but there's so much here, isn't there?
	The transition from they're part of our economy and the complete lack of mention of loyalty, belonging, identity.
	So this is the materialist mind at work.
	This is why you and I have that other disagreement.
	This is the materialist mind at work.
	It is incapable of viewing things that can't be quantified, measured, put a price on.
	Because he's a materialist, he can't process things like loyalty, beliefs, identity.
	Our form of government has been entirely materialist for at least the 30-year period.
	You know, they all talk about the economy.
	And of course, the economy is critically important for our prosperity.
	But actually, the economy needs to serve the constitution, the culture, and the people of the country.
	It needs to alter its behavior from time to time, depending on the circumstances of the country.
	Yes.
	And they don't get that.
	No.
	Because there is no conception of man having value as man and a nation having value as a nation.
	There is only a conception of GDP, which even then they get completely wrong with their tax policies and their climate policies and all of that.
	The GDP per capita should be a metric they understand, but they can't even get their heads around that because all discussion of per capita is prohibited.
	But actually.
	But actually, he's actually kind of transcending that with what he's saying here, right?
	So notice how he's identifying a moment in time, the now, and saying, look, if you love the country as it is now, then what you have to do is accept all of these millions of foreigners that have been brought in against our will and without any kind of appeal to the electorate whatsoever.
	Well, they are a core integral part of the country.
	He literally just said they are just as important, and as you say, more important than the actual native people of the country.
	And so you can't just remove lawful people because they are, again, appeal to the system of law.
	They are as constituent to modern Britain.
	As everyone else.
	As everyone else.
	They've set aside citizenry.
	That's what they've done.
	And the root cause, I'm afraid, goes back to Tony Blair with the human rights act.
	Which basically put everyone on level pegging and then the Equality Act put those with protected characteristics on a pedestal above everyone else.
	But what is Keir saying here?
	Keir is saying, literally, if you get off a boat and we hand you a passport, you are just as important to this country as any other person who is in this country.
	Like the guy who is the descendant of Cheddar Mann, who was found within a mile and a half of Cheddar Gorge, where Cheddar Mann was discovered, who was near a thousand-year-old body, like his connection to Britain is materially and substantively and morally identical to this guy's who's parents probably arrived here.
	Or Axel Ridersbarners.
	Axel Riddle.
	Who is a Welshman, we're told by the Prime Minister.
	And he thinks it's completely immoral because foreigners are a constituent part of Britain.
	He can't imagine or justify a Britain that isn't predicated on foreign people here as well.
	And so, okay, well, that's what Keir Starmer thinks that the UK actually is.
	And so he's like, well, I think it's a racist policy.
	We'll watch the rest of this because he's very, very het up about it.
	And have an ability to bring that country together and walk forward towards the challenges.
	You cannot do that if you are divisive, if you only truly want to serve a section of our country.
	And that's why the fight with reform is different.
	Most elections have always been Labour or Conservative.
	This is a different election that we're facing.
	We have not had a proposition like reform in this country ever before.
	And we've seen it in France and Germany and plenty of other countries.
	This is a different fight.
	It is a fight about who we are as a country.
	It goes to the soul of our future.
	It will be heard and the effects will be there for generations.
	And that's why I'm saying to my party, you know, it's all very well navel gazing, but we've got a big argument to make here.
	We've got a big fight that we've got to be in and we've got to win that fight.
	You said that.
	So that absolutely correct.
	Because what he's identifying is, and this comes down to the rally, is the natives of the country who have been abused via mass immigration.
	They've had millions and millions of foreigners brought here against their will.
	And they've finally said, no, we've had enough.
	We would like a lot of these people to go home because they have homes to go to.
	And Keir Starmer's like, right, that's it.
	That's the end.
	You know, the end of multiculturalism is here.
	The end of the Blairite project is here.
	And he is fully committed to the foreigners over the British people.
	He's completely committed to them.
	And this is why he's like, yep, ending indefinitely to remain is a racist policy.
	And we need to call it out for what it is.
	Because, again, this is going to be so successful.
	But just, again, like, you've just got so many examples of just why people want these people sent home.
	Sorry, this is a Pakistani migrant and she's just going to throw her rubbish in the river.
	Like, I'm sorry.
	I view that akin to like when they're going, oh my God, they vandalized a mosque.
	Yeah, well, this, this to me.
	That is illegal what she's just done.
	Sure, sure.
	But it's also spiritually damaging to me.
	What are you doing, woman?
	Disgusting.
	Yeah, it's disgusting, right?
	It's completely unacceptable.
	And it's a person who doesn't care about this country, who doesn't want to be here, and is just here because we're going to be paying her to be here.
	That's what it's going to be.
	It's not that she doesn't care about this country.
	It's that she would do the same in her own.
	And she thinks that you're naïve for not doing the same.
	Yes.
	You're naïve for paying your council tax and having your rubbish collected by the council and things of that nature.
	You're naive for carrying your rubbish around and then placing it in the proper bit.
	What ultimately will happen, as that ex-post indicated, was that we will end up being like the third world.
	Precisely.
	You import the third world, you become a third world.
	Precisely, yes.
	It's just straight.
	I mean, I can't even imagine how much I'd flip out if I saw my kids throwing their rubbish into the river.
	I'm just going to bring up another example that I've noticed.
	I don't know if you gents have noticed it, but the .gov.uk website used to be written quite well.
	You might have disagreed with all the draft bills that were on it.
	Sure.
	But now the grammar is terrible.
	The punctuation is terrible.
	And, you know, we can laugh, but that means the decay of standards.
	It's the decay of standards.
	And we're seeing it visibly now taking place in our country.
	Quite.
	Yes, very much so.
	There was, was it the Conservatives keep posting things written in American English on their Twitter feed?
	Yeah, I don't know whether you've noticed that.
	I haven't.
	They're getting American advisors to help them.
	And not just that, it's because the Zoomers are just online and they just bibe American culture.
	But you'd think the Conservatives would be very particular about British spelling.
	It's about standards.
	It's about standards.
	And you are right.
	These are just falling everywhere.
	Anyway, so Rachel Reeves went on LBC to explain because Keir Starmer argued that, well, the policy is racist.
	And so are the people who vote for the policy racist.
	Now, that's not wise.
	Was it this one?
	I can't remember.
	I did have a link to it.
	But the tactic of saying, look, you people who are voting overwhelmingly for Farage and not for us are a bunch of racists.
	It didn't work for Hillary.
	It didn't bring them back to your position.
	And so now they're in the unfortunate and awkward position of having to defend calling Nigel Farage's policy racist, but not the people who like Farage's policy.
	How could they support a racist policy and not be racist?
	I think it is a racist policy, and let me tell you why.
	You know, I understand that.
	It doesn't matter whether I do, but how could one support a racist policy and not be racist?
	People support the Reform Party for all sorts of reasons.
	These policies as regards deportations, if you support a racist...
	I cannot say if you support a racist policy how you're not racist yourself.
	No?
	Because people support the Reform Party for all sorts of different reasons, often not even knowing the detail of the policies.
	But this policy is a racist policy, and you'll have lots of listeners who might be at work today sitting next to somebody who wasn't born in this country.
	Their next-door neighbor might not have been born in this country.
	They might be married to somebody who wasn't born in this country.
	And what Nigel Farage and the Reform Party are saying is that they would deport those people.
	Yes.
	So I love this so much, right?
	Because one, she doesn't answer the question.
	But two, they assume that people think that's a bad thing to hear.
	By the way, Nigel Farage, you know those foreigners who moved in next door to you?
	Nigel Farage is going to deport them.
	Oh, fucking brilliant.
	Thank God.
	Because they throw their rubbish in the fucking streets.
	They make loads of noise at the evening.
	They're not polite.
	I'm worried about their intentions with my daughters.
	Like, people might hear this and be like, oh, thank God.
	Unfortunately, she's doing him more than a justice.
	Right?
	That's the point as well.
	I wanted to come to they have this caricature of Farage in the head, which is just not true.
	It's just not true.
	And it's a real shame.
	Yes.
	But so the point is, you can see the sort of exhaustion in their faces, Rachel Reese in particular.
	Wait till they have to contend with Advance UK.
	They're not going to like it.
	Right.
	And so Farage has kind of let them think this, because Farage, of course, did not say that he was going to do this.
	And also, Starmer actually didn't say that if, in fact, they've specifically found themselves tied in knots over this.
	Starmer didn't say you're a racist if you like the ending of Indefinite Leave to Remain.
	He can't explain why you're not a racist, but he didn't say that.
	But the implication is that, of course, if you support ending Indefinite Leave to Remain, you are a racist.
	And they're just, again, trapped on the horns of a dilemma.
	They can't escape.
	But then you've got the sort of, this guy writes for The Mirror.
	I think he's the editor of The Mirror, isn't he?
	Which is a left-wing deputy political editor.
	And this is the sort of opinion of the very rarely will they actually just come out and say these things.
	But for the last 20 or so years, British politicians have been too afraid of upsetting racists.
	The fear is at the root of many of the country's problems.
	So the country would be better if we just went harder down the woke international liberal route and would be worse if we actually let the racists get what they want.
	These people not have friends.
	Well, I mean, he's not talking to anyone outside of the deputy political editor of The Mirror.
	So I'm going to guess no.
	I mean, they've just swallowed the ideology, Hook, Lion, and Sinker.
	And they can't distinguish between wanting borders, a nation-state sovereignty, the promotion of our own interests versus the global interest.
	They can't distinguish between those two.
	Well, Kirstama literally doesn't.
	Anyone who literally, a foreigner steps off the boat, is moved in next to you.
	He is just as part of Britain as you are.
	Every right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So their ideology literally.
	Tim Montgomery.
	I mean, is that the individual who Mikey Smith picked on?
	Yes.
	Tim is as wet as a cloth.
	You know, a soak and wet cloth that's been out in the rain overnight.
	That is Tim Montgomery.
	Yeah, absolutely correct.
	You know, this is the thing.
	They're not even going on the hard right of online discourse on this.
	But the thing is, let's assume that it is a racist policy.
	It's also just been announced by Shobana Mahmood that that's what they'll be doing.
	If you want to apply for indefinite leave to remain, you're going to have to be employed and paying national insurance.
	You're not going to be receiving benefits.
	You've got to be able to speak English, have a clean criminal record, and you've also got to do some volunteering work.
	So they've gone further than Nigel Farage on this.
	See, this one's quite insidious to the volunteering.
	Isn't it?
	Because any mosque can write you a letter saying that you're volunteering for some kind of thing.
	And what a low bar.
	What a low bar to remain in this country forever.
	Yes, you have to be a criminal.
	You've got to pick up on what Shobana Mahoud is doing here.
	So empowering the network.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Because you have to know how she thinks.
	See, I had a lot of people asking me, why have you got the Middle Eastern guy on your show?
	I'm like, because he knows how they feel.
	It's all good.
	They're doubling.
	They're hanging there, but it's all good.
	No, no, no, no.
	He's our guy.
	Anyway, yeah, but you are right.
	That is absolutely empowering the network.
	Yes, right?
	And so she's thought about this.
	She's doing something.
	And of course, what she hasn't said, which a good lawyer would pick up on, is that in order to continue to qualify for indefinite leave to remain, you must remain in employment and you must not take benefits.
	You know, she's just drawn a line in a point in time.
	But the thing is, from getting indefinite leave to remain to getting citizenship, it's just one year.
	I know.
	So even that's still a low bar.
	We need to scrap indefinite leave to remain and we need to suspend granting British citizenship.
	It's got to stop.
	Completely.
	No, we don't need any more.
	And the thing is, the argument, oh, we need immigration.
	Well, okay, if we've had 25 years of immigration, we've got 15 million people up.
	Are things better or worse?
	Productivity through the floor, wages through the floor, GDP per capita through the floor.
	Services, justice.
	Unemployment through the roof, dependency through the roof.
	I mean, there is no metric to which they can point to say their economic policies are working.
	Exactly.
	And the state of the country.
	Like, get a train, drive a car.
	Are the roads overcrowded?
	Like, we just don't need more people.
	That's not the argument.
	But anyway, yeah, so it's from Nigel Farage's mouth to Shibuna Mahmood's ears, apparently, which is actually one of the things that watching the Libs cope with this.
	Dan Hodges is like, I've been working in politics a long time, see some bonker stuff.
	But having the Prime Minister blast an opponent's policy as racist on Sunday, then getting the Home Secretary to announce the same policy on Monday is about the maddest thing I've seen at a party conference.
	And I've got to, there's a part of me that kind of feels bad for the kind of centrist lib types because they are watching the schizophrenic politics play out in front of their eyes.
	Because all of these people would love to vote Labour.
	They want to vote Labour.
	But Labour are like, yeah, oh, yeah, it's racist, racist.
	But also, this is what we're doing.
	And they're just like, oh, God, God, it's driving me.
	They can't.
	Like, what are they supposed to take from this?
	And then, just to finish this off, you've got like people making the points, right?
	No one asked us if we wanted migrants from the third world to be our neighbours.
	We did not vote for this.
	These policies are not racist.
	They are common sense.
	And the white population of Britain is expected to be a minority by 2063 in our own ancestral land.
	We will not tolerate this.
	And that's not an unreasonable thing for the average person in Britain to think.
	Like in any other country, in any other time, in any other place, it would be completely reasonable not to want your country to be subsumed by people from other lands.
	It's completely reasonable.
	And that doesn't mean that we have to eject every single person with the slightest hint of foreign ancestry or something like that.
	It just means we need to get a grip on this and we don't need to take any more people in.
	And any people who are here throwing rubbish in our rivers or taking advantage of the benefit system or are like, this ain't my country.
	I'd never fight for it.
	They can go home.
	They can go to where they feel they belong.
	It's really not very controversial.
	Mind me to tell you what the Kuwaiti kid throwing pebbles at the swans.
	One day.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah, if you eat a single swan deported.
	Sorry, what were you saying?
	No, I wasn't going to say anything.
	I mean, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
	I think they're hijacked to the point where there's no redemption through these people.
	Actually, the point I was going to make is that we are facing the end of Western civilization.
	Of course, what we're seeing in the United Kingdom is happening right across Europe.
	And unless we do reverse direction, this is the end of the UK.
	This is the end of civilization as we knew it when we grew up.
	But it will be the civilization that they want, right?
	It will be the anarcho-tyranny that they're looking for.
	They love the country as it is.
	This is the plan.
	This is what they've been trying to bring into being.
	And then when that's threatened, they close ranks and they say, no, we're going to fight for it.
	That's mad.
	I'm almost feeling sorry for reform.
	It's perfect for the oligarchs to have a massive underclass that can be used as a battering ram against native people and providing a pool of cheap labor to boot.
	It's sort of perfect for the oligarchic class.
	And this is what these people should be seen as.
	The media as the, you know.
	They're the far right, actually.
	The extreme policies that are being practiced by Starma, they are far right.
	They are the extremists.
	On my side of the debate, we believe in democracy.
	We believe in freedom of speech, equality under the law.
	These are quaint old-fashioned things which are just commonsensical.
	And they're also culturally contingent and unique.
	And they are predicated on a thousand, two thousand years of tradition and of people being hammered a concept of morality that prioritizes guilt, not shame.
	That's the fundamental difference.
	If you look at the big difference between the West and the rest on a moral foundation, the difference is it's a guilt-based culture.
	It's a conscience-based culture.
	That's a direct result of what Christianity teaches: that you are to blame for the crucifixion of Christ and that you must atone for your own sins first.
	That's what makes the West function.
	It doesn't mean other people can't have technology.
	It doesn't mean that they can't have military success.
	It just means that they can't have this kind of high-trust, dutiful society.
	It means that she doesn't feel guilty about what she does.
	No, she thinks you're an idiot for not doing the same.
	We're all trying to improve ourselves.
	We're self-policing under that Christian heritage.
	Yes, precisely.
	I'm going to go through some comments.
	There are a bunch of people who said, oh, I joined Advance a few weeks ago.
	I will happily stand as a candidate if you need me.
	Thank you.
	Please email into info at advanceuk.org.uk.
	There we go.
	There are lots of people who are not happy with Kierstarma.
	For the sake of time, I'm going to have to summarize those as, yeah, join the club.
	The Democrats in the US were accused of importing legal illegals in order to boost their voting block.
	What's the opinion of barring first gen from voting or holding office in the UK to combat corruption?
	Yes.
	Well, to be honest with the third gens.
	We're the third, I would argue.
	To be honest with you, it doesn't matter how many generations.
	If you don't have British ancestry, you shouldn't be allowed to vote in Britain.
	I genuinely am at this sort of ancient Athens.
	Well, you know, you know who is allowed to vote.
	British citizens, Irish citizens, and members of the Commonwealth.
	Man, isn't it?
	Which is insane.
	It's absolutely mad.
	They've got their own country.
	Insane.
	Completely insane.
	Yeah.
	Why are we allowing a single Irishman?
	But seriously.
	Why are the Irish voting in our enemies?
	They've got their own country.
	The Commonwealth, they've got their own countries.
	Sorry, what are we doing here, folks?
	Absolutely.
	It's suicidal.
	It's suicidal.
	But the thing is, as well, like the ancient Athenians had what they called metics, right?
	Which is a class of foreign people who ran businesses and traded in Athens, right?
	And these people were not politically enfranchised, obviously, because they were there to take advantage of the prosperity that the Athenians had established.
	And that's fine.
	You come, you work, you pay taxes, you earn money.
	That's fine.
	That's not a problem.
	Why should you be voting?
	Why should you be in the political system?
	Look at the UAE.
	They have three million foreigners working in Dubai, but they absolutely rule that place with an iron rod.
	I don't want to be quite that far.
	No, but those foreigners get absolutely, they can be turfed out any second.
	And Dubai's culture is, you know, paramount.
	They keep moving there.
	People keep moving there for a reason, right?
	I mean, like, didn't Isabel Oakshot run over there?
	She did.
	She saved 150,000 in VAT on school fees.
	Government so much.
	Materialists.
	I just can't distinguish between having property rights, which you would have as a medic in Athens, or as a resident in Dubai, and having political rights.
	Can I just say these are two separate things?
	This is a hot off-the-press disclosure in the sense that I have been approached as leader of Advanced UK by many British citizens now living in Dubai, living in Italy, some in Portugal, saying, Ben, we need you to succeed.
	How can we help you so we can come home?
	Yes.
	Wonderful.
	Yeah, but they've left the these are people who love this country and have been forced abroad.
	Dan's like, if they do, I can't remember what it was, unrealized capital gains or something.
	He's like, look, I'm just going to have to leave the country.
	That's our correct.
	But before they do it.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Before they do it.
	And so, yeah, it is insane how this country is run.
	And one day we will have a government that prioritises the British people.
	It'll be the next government.
	Well, without a shadow of a doubt, the next government will be a pro-British government.
	What I can do is that.
	It might be led by Naja Farage.
	It can't be if it's to be pro-British.
	I know.
	Anyway, let's carry on some comments.
	Cyberball says, I wish Farage was half the hard right-wing monster the Guardian readers of the world think he is.
	And that's really the issue.
	The thing is, right?
	Farage is not that right-winger, but they know that logically there entails a kind of right-wing that is the opposite of what they're doing.
	So they're like, no, we're going to take advantage of the British public for as much as they can.
	We can squeeze as much out of them as we can.
	And we're going to funnel it to our client groups, the foreigners who we bring over, or the minorities, or whoever.
	And they realize that actually there could be a right-wing antithesis to this, which is, oh, we're going to put the British people first, and you're going back to the margins.
	The vast majority of this country are hard-working, patriotic, normal people who just get up, go to work, send their kids to school, pay their taxes, pay their mortgages, and do the right thing every day.
	And if they had substantive representation, and they were like the majority of what you would see, if they were proportionally represented in the political system on TV, wherever, you would hardly ever hear from the weird fringe or the foreigners or diversity or minorities, whatever it is.
	You'd hardly hear from this.
	And they're worried that actually that kind of government could come into place.
	And Farage, they believe, embodies that, but of course, he doesn't.
	He doesn't in any way, shape, or form.
	Yeah.
	The sad thing, without dwelling on it for too long, but the sad thing is if reform were to win the landslide that that map indicates.
	Which I think they will.
	If they were to win it, they would not deliver for the British people.
	And there would be great disappointment, number one.
	And number two, the detractors of reform would say, well, look, you had to go at that kind of set of policies.
	And look, it's failed spectacularly.
	We're going back to the liberal global order.
	They will literally say, there's your populism, folks.
	It didn't work.
	Thanks, Naje.
	Yeah.
	But the risk of disorder at that point becomes quite severe.
	I think we're, I mean, look at the march.
	Look at the rally.
	That would be a tipping point in terms of the ability of people to stomach another election which sort of goes to people like your Starmer.
	I don't think they would just sort of sit there and say, oh, you know, we'll just put up with this for another five years.
	I think the risks at that point to an extent.
	Yes.
	The Tommy rally is essentially, you know, when you're boiling water and the steam escapes from the pot, lifts of the lip.
	That's what the Tommy rally is.
	But listen, there's something truly happening here.
	Pay attention.
	And their response, as I mentioned in my speech yesterday at our launch, and I wanted to mention in the United Kingdom speech when I spoke, was that the Parliament's reaction, those that govern us, their reaction, is to actually put up a nine-foot-tall metal fence surrounding Parliament.
	Have you been there recently?
	I have, yes.
	You know, there used to be barricades.
	There used to be nothing in the 1980s.
	Then we got barricades, and now there's a nine-foot metal fence.
	And they need that fence because they stand in opposition to the people.
	And you can only exist in opposition to the people by protecting yourself and separating yourself.
	And that's what that fence represents.
	And they haven't even got the sense to realize that that fence is like a V-sign to the British people.
	Quite.
	And also, when they say, oh, we can't protect the borders, we've got to bring the boat people in.
	Well, you do have a border around something.
	You can protect those things that you actually care about.
	Exactly.
	You've got the border around Parliament, the seat of government.
	You don't have a border around our island, which should be really easy to keep a border around, because they just don't value it.
	It's so self-evident.
	From the website, North Blood says, I wouldn't be surprised if the UK has a general election before the end of the year.
	I think the end of the year is probably a bit too soon.
	I don't think, because the thing is, what we're relying on, unfortunately, is an insurrection in the Labour Party now.
	Anarchies would have to vote for Christmas, and that's rare.
	And that's the point.
	The current crop of Labour MPs could mount a challenge to Kirstama, but every single one of them will lose their job.
	Yes.
	Now, that sounds great.
	But it would be worse than the Conservatives losing at the previous general election.
	But isn't it interesting?
	Sorry, it's not a problem.
	No, no, please go ahead.
	It's so interesting to me that it took Boris Johnson two or three years to become seriously unpopular practicing the policies of the past when he promised to change direction.
	This guy has lost his mandate to the extent he had any completely within a year.
	Completely.
	175 seat majority should have given him three parliaments.
	He's not going to survive one.
	Yes.
	Yeah, and he might, like, everyone's talking about the May local elections in which Labour are probably going to get drubbed.
	Absolutely drubbed.
	And with good reason.
	And so the Labour Party, I mean, the poll the other day, I saw there was 17%, and then the Tories on 15%.
	And it's like, okay, Nigel, why aren't you at 50%?
	But ignore that.
	I mean, they're backers.
	The people in the party, the people donating the money.
	I'm like, why would I give money to this party?
	Yes.
	That's dying.
	It's a dying consensus.
	And so, I mean, the same with Kemi Badenok.
	Why is she still here?
	15% of the polls.
	Why are you here?
	Yes.
	Like, what are you doing?
	Again, the Tory party is refusing to wake up to the issue.
	I know, it's amazing.
	And they keep regurgitating the same people.
	Yes.
	And that's partly, without wishing to labor on about reform.
	It's partly the problem with reform is because they've taken in so many failed Tory MPs.
	Yes.
	Nadine Dory is the author of the Well, I mean you couldn't make that up Two days before he revealed Nadine Dorrie's coming on board, he was on Capitol Hill, Farage was.
	Denouncing the Online Safety Act.
	Two days later, he employs the architect of the Online Safety Act.
	But the other day, he was like, yeah, the Boris wave is bad.
	So I'm going to bring in Boris's biggest cheerleader, whose first words out of her mouth is, you guys should bring in Boris.
	Boris back.
	What are we doing, Nigel?
	It's embarrassing, completely.
	It's crazy.
	It's so unnecessary.
	And it shows the lack of respect for talent within reform.
	Why not promote some people from within?
	But that's why.
	Don't polish them up rather than regurgitating has been talked about.
	That's why it's critical gents like you support Advanced UK.
	I'm making my point.
	That's why you're here, man.
	You've got to do it because without a force like us, this country is not going to reach redemption.
	And we need all the support we can get, Carl.
	There's a reason that you're here.
	There's a reason that we're having you on.
	It is insane, though, isn't it?
	Like, Nigel Farris is like, okay, I'm going to win.
	I'm going to get 370 seats or something.
	It's like, Nigel, you don't have 370 friends.
	You have 370 mortal enemies because of your time in politics, but you don't have the people to fill those positions, do you?
	Like, who's his cabinet?
	Hasn't he learned anything from Trump's first term and the problem associated with the need to fill literally thousands of positions and the need to sort of have a map of which bits of the civil service and the angiocracy are you going to just out on one?
	Everything you've said presupposes that he wishes to govern with that agenda.
	Yes, and that I think is the fallacy.
	The persona of Farage is not the reality.
	He just wants to have the office.
	And we're going to learn to our vast cost if we vote for him.
	Can I just say one more thing on that map that you showed?
	That thumping reform victory is actually made on a percentage of the vote that is much lower than would normally deliver that.
	And it's because it's such a split field elsewhere.
	And that's another reason why people should be encouraged by Advance UK.
	We don't need a very large vote share to make a very significant impact now.
	This is not a two-party system we're trying to break.
	We're trying to get in in a multi-party system.
	We can do it.
	And what I, I mean, you know, Farage, for all of his faults, he is the end of the two-party system.
	And so if he does nothing of any use, at least open the gates.
	He's opened the gates.
	And so now it's all to play for.
	It's all to play for.
	And I think that the DUP were able to hold Theresa May's feet to the fire over everything to do with Brexit and Northern Ireland Agreement because they had such a tiny number of MPs necessary for that.
	All of Israeli politics relies on a small number of MPs holding the Prime Minister's feet to the fire.
	So having a few seats here and there other than reform, but who are critical for coalition building, if these seats are in the hands of wet Tories, that's one disastrous outcome.
	If these seats are in the hands of Ben Habib Rupert Lowe, that's a very different outcome.
	We are over time, but I'm enjoying the discussion, so we'll go a little bit longer.
	Screw it.
	Do you have something to do this afternoon?
	Yes, I have a...
	You've got a life?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, it's not that.
	He's got a job.
	So actually, maybe something, unfortunately.
	I have a real politic episode in half an hour at three discussing whether or not Trump will be striking Iran.
	Right.
	So we can't actually go for much longer.
	But sorry sorry for everyone sent in loads of comments, loads of sujasm, those comments on the website.
	I'm really sorry we didn't get to them today.
	It's just you know, we don't often have Ben in, obviously.
	And we always just let things go organically.
	But thank you for joining us, folks.
	Go to the website, sign up for £5 a month.
	Go watch Faraz's Real Politik show, where he's going to be talking about, what was it, Iran?
	Iran Trump.
	Right, because that's back on the table, unfortunately.
	And Ben, where can people go if they'd like to support you?
	Well, thank you.
	That's very kind of you to give me the opportunity to say that.
	Please join up.
	We've got to win.
	We've got to aim to win.
	And I think we can win the next general election as implausible as it might sound.
	So please sign up for Advance UK today.
	Go to advanceuk.org.uk, www.advanceuk.org.uk, and join as a member.
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	Before we go, I just want to put a point on that.
	Reform already found in what, 2021?
	So reform came out of the Brexit Party.
	But actually, as a proper political independent, it's only been four years.
	We're absolutely right.
	The notion that we can't do it is a fundamentally flawed one.
	Yeah, I don't agree with that at all.
	I mean, Farage has actually shown us, yeah, within like three or four years, you can become the dominant national party.
	Can I just say we do accredit Farage for reform success, but Richard Tyson and I took the party from 6% in March 23 to 16% before the general election.
	That's when Farage jumped on board.
	That's when he got the Clackton poll came out and he was like, oh, wait, Clankton's going to be a reform seat.
	I'm going to jump in on that.
	I can't remember the name of the guy who threw over Tony Mack.
	Right, yeah.
	And obviously he didn't give him what he was promised for exchanging a seat.
	But the point is, it was on the way up anyway.
	And that was, what, only a few years ago?
	So to say, well...
	You did it in a year.
	We put it on a map in a year.
	Exactly.
	So, you know, everyone's like, well, four years.
	Well, that's actually a long time in British politics at this point.
	Yes.
	A very long time.
	And a lot changes.
	I mean, like, who knows what happens with Farage and reform tomorrow.
	But anyway, thank you for joining us.
	Do go support Ben.
	And we will see you in half an hour with Faraz's show.

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