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Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the podcast, The Load Seaters, for Monday, the 8th of September, 2025.
I'm John Bastelius and Ferris.
Hello, everyone.
And today we're going to be talking about how the establishment is doing everything that they can to memory hole the North Carolina murder, the bus murder that you've doubtless seen.
They are, obviously, we're going to be talking about the labor reshuffle because that's gone brilliantly.
And we're going to be talking about how the establishment is doing everything they can to contain Gammonzilla, including rolling out what has been called, and I didn't coin this, a house gammon.
I didn't, I didn't, like I said, I didn't coin that.
That's the way the people online are talking about it.
Anyway, after the podcast, Ferris will be doing a live Real Politique on the website.
So go and sign up to Lilisis.com, £5 a month, help us keep the lights on, make sure that we can continue to do what we do.
And you can go and watch that live.
And of course, he will, of course, take questions and answers from you.
So just leave a comment on the page.
And towards the end of the show, he will address the comments that you've made.
And also, just a quick final thing.
I haven't got access to a thing, so someone's going to have to change it across for me.
Islander 4 is going, going, gone.
There's not much of it left, apparently.
So basically, get it while you can so you don't have to get 500 pounds on eBay.
But anyway, right, with that said, let's move on to the first thing.
Right, so if there were no alternative media and alternative platforms, very few people would know of the murder of Irina Zarutska, a 23rd-year-old Ukrainian refugee in the United States who was savagely murdered by the Carlos Brown Jr., a career criminal in a train.
But we're dealt with with two despicable actions here.
Number one, it's the murder itself.
Goes without saying.
It's a horrific.
For anyone, the video is on Twitter.
Obviously, we can't show it.
The video is on Twitter.
Was it yesterday?
It just kept coming up in my feed repeatedly.
And it's a harrowing thing to watch.
I didn't get through the whole thing, frankly.
So obviously we're not going to play it.
But if you want to find it, you can just find it on Twitter.
Yeah.
So it was the entire weekend.
And the mainstream media were absolutely disgusting in how they try to memory hole it.
Sorry, what was that?
Crickets?
Not a goddamn thing.
No, it's actually it's incredibly infuriating because they basically try to memory hole it entirely.
Instantly.
Do not talk about it.
And we have Wikipedia here trying to say, trying to delete it, basically.
It has been flanked.
It says here, an editor has nominated this article for deletion.
As if this isn't somehow noteworthy?
Yes.
And it reminds me a lot of Wikipedia's previous CEO who was saying that caring for the truth sometimes is an obstacle for achieving a helpful consensus.
This is not helpful.
The kind of consensus that is turning a blind eye to these horrific crimes is not helpful at all.
It makes society worse for everyone except for criminals.
The worst part about this as well was genuinely her innocence in it.
She didn't even glance at the guy.
She was just walking onto the train, sat down on her phone with her earbuds in, and then this guy just stabs her in the neck.
As you said, we have the video here.
We are not going to show it.
It's incredibly distressing.
I'm boiling for two days now.
I'm boiling.
But I do have two captions here where he does take a knife out.
And here is the image where he is about to strike.
Out of nowhere.
She just walks into the tube.
She sits down.
He's behind.
He takes a knife.
He stands up really fastly and he stabs her.
And then in the video, you can see him trying to exit that wagon.
And blood is dripping from the knife.
It's nightmarish.
Another way of putting it.
And the thing is, well, sorry, can we go back to that previously?
So I saw a bunch of people saying, see, this is why we need guards on trains.
It's like, okay, a couple of things.
One, we never used to need guards on trains.
Trains used to be perfectly safe as they always had been.
But secondly, even if you had a guard on this train, this happened way too quick.
You wouldn't have known he was going to do something when he stands up.
I think that for me, the worst thing was she doesn't notice him.
He seems to be sitting there peacefully enough, sort of no reason to interact, to be concerned, etc.
It comes completely out of the blue.
And then you discover that this guy has had 14 arrests, many of them for pretty serious crimes, and he's always been let go.
And also, if you look at the Wikipedia page they want to delete, they point out that, was it last year or the year before he rang up the authorities saying that he felt that something was trying to control him?
So he obviously is someone who has genuine mental health problems.
Right.
Right.
It's like, okay, well, what do we do?
Well, we put him on the streets.
That's what we do.
And I'd say a sort of misplaced trust on her behalf because I never try.
I try always on trains and tubes to sit where I can see everyone.
Yeah.
That may be me.
Oh, we live in a multicultural society, Stella.
Exactly.
It shouldn't be this way.
It really shouldn't be this way.
It didn't used to be this way.
Yeah.
Right.
So here we have a really good post by Frank McCormick who says the timeline, if a cop had shot the Carlos Brown Jr. before he had boarded the subway with a knife.
This would be the timeline if a cop had somehow shot him before he managed to stab her in the neck, but had the knife coming out of that.
Yeah, pretty much.
And I will say that the reaction of the mainstream establishment, the left-wing media, left-wing politicians, the way they have reacted here is absolutely appalling.
And remember that during the aftermath of the events that led to the death of George Floyd, they involved mass protests, civil unrest, vandalism.
COVID disappeared.
Yep.
Yeah.
Widespread looting, economic fraud by some of the people who also were involved there.
We had performative kneeling sessions of people who screamed, I can't breathe.
It was in New York where I was there.
Yeah, we had the police kneeling to the protesters during the COVID lockdowns.
So if you'd gone out, you've got absolutely bodied by the cops, but the cops are there bending the knee to the BLM protesters.
And two more things, calls to defund the police and also the poisoning of relations among citizens by constantly making it all about race.
By constantly saying, if you don't agree with this agenda, you're a racist.
And I will say this.
Defunding the police would not help her.
Now, okay, she was murdered.
But I will say the principle behind the philosophy that calls for defund the police is actually the philosophy that led him to.
Yes.
That allowed him to fail again and again and again and again.
And apparently 14 times being arrested wasn't enough for activist judges to say that he is unfit for society.
And it wasn't just that he was like stealing sweets from the shop or something.
A lot of these were violent assaults or robberies with a weapon and things like this.
So obviously a dangerous career criminal.
Just on the streets though.
This is why three convictions need to lead to a life sentence.
This is why three violent convictions must lead to a life sentence.
We're not talking about parking tickets here.
We're talking about violent offenses.
Exactly.
You can't have people like that running around the street.
It's just not feasible.
If they are demonstrating just schizophrenic tendencies, because the guy was literally saying something like, there's a man-made substance that's controlling me or something.
It's like, okay, lunatic.
Why have we closed the asylums again?
Like, if these people genuinely have, because a lot of people on one side want to say, oh, this is a race thing.
We've got no evidence as a race thing, actually.
We've got no evidence that he just hated white people.
We do have evidence that he's a long-standing career criminal and probably mental.
So why haven't we got asylums exactly?
These people should be sequestered away from the main population, obviously.
And let us see here the disgusting double standard.
The Democrats did this when George Floyd overdosed and they had totally ignored Irina Zarutska being murdered.
It's crazy that she's like, right, the Russians can't get me now.
So yeah, well, you don't know where you've gone, do you?
Now, let's do this.
We have the Associated Press writing nothing about it.
75,000 plus AP articles about George Floyd, zero articles about Irina Zarutska.
And I went in and, you know, if we do the search bar, I did it before.
We don't have to do it again.
But I saw there was nothing on it.
And many times you put, and they do, and results do come up, but they're before the 22nd of August where she was murdered, and they weren't about her.
They are because their name Irina is picked up.
Yeah.
It shows up.
The New York Times.
They have many results for Daniel Penny.
No results.
He's an actual hero.
Did nothing wrong, who was an actual hero.
Exactly.
Hang on, just say, they're all going to be negative about Daniel Penny.
Yes.
Daniel Penny, the racist, Daniel Penny the murderer, Daniel Penny, this.
Oh, Daniel Penny's a bad person.
Exactly.
Zero for Irina Zarutska.
Wow.
Why would the paper of record have anything to say about this?
If Daniel Penny had been there on that train and saw this guy, he would have acted, which is the reason that they hate him.
So here, Liz Wheeler tells us, gives us extra data here about the New York Times.
Close to 6,000 articles about George Floyd.
Close to 1,200 for Traver Martin.
56 about Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
Is that which one was that one?
He is the one who was deported.
Cartel people trafficker from Venezuela.
Oh, no, not deportation.
Daniel Penny, 100.
Irina Zarutska, zero.
You get an idea.
Also, CNN, the peaceful but mostly fire, no, fiery but mostly peaceful BLM riots CNN has zero for Irina Zarutska.
They just put it now here.
Yeah, just one there.
Yeah, no, but that wasn't there today where I was fixing the links.
Really?
They got shamed into saying that literally came up this month.
That literally came up.
It's been two days and they were eventually like, yeah, that was rough.
And not just two days, it's two days where they're called out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because the murder took place on August the 22nd.
Right.
Here we have many other.
What's the journal?
Ah, that is.
Zero articles.
Why would they write about this?
Guardian, nothing.
Had to include it.
Yeah.
Of course.
Right.
So the only thing that I could find was from Fox.
So this is a local Fox affiliate.
A local affiliate.
Local Fox affiliate where they're saying Ukrainian woman who fled war, stabbed to death at Charlotte Light Rail Station.
Man, man charged with murdering Ukrainian woman, Irina Zarutska at Charlotte Transit Station as community raises for family expenses.
And here we have from Anne Wokeness a post that went viral.
Well, sorry, let's go back up.
He's got to correct that.
There's one CNN story now.
Yeah, there's one CNN.
Yeah, there we go.
So zero AP stories, zero PBS, zero New York Times stories, zero NPR, zero Wall Street Journal, zero BBC, zero CNN, zero WAPO, zero Reuters, zero MSNBC.
And unless I'm mistaken, I think NPR is the news outlet that the previous CEO of Wikipedia went to be a CEO.
Yes.
I take that with a pinch of salt, but she was the CEO of Wikipedia who said caring about the truth occasionally is an obstacle to the age of racial justice must come first.
But in the framework of racial justice, this kind of thing doesn't make sense.
Racial justice means zero consequences for certain communities and all of the blame is shifted to others.
Can we go back to that sentence?
Let's go back to that sentence.
Because I think that's worth honing in on a second.
Because there is literally no advantage to them reporting this story from the perspective of intersectional social justice.
What this shows is, yes, a black man can just turn out to be an insane schizophrenic murderer.
And you, not having provoked him in any way, having done nothing at all, there is no way they can argue that she is in some way responsible for his oppression.
She's from Ukraine.
She is not an American.
She doesn't have a history tied to slavery, Jim Crow, civil rights, segregation, whatever it is.
She's just some girl who's fled a war.
She gets on the train, she's done nothing wrong, and he murders her for reasons that we're not entirely sure of yet.
So there is just nothing, absolutely nothing in the oppressor-oppressed victimology dynamic that they can report on to make the majority white population of America seem like bad people.
Yes, this just makes, look, him and his community and the power structures that allow him to operate in society to be the bad people, which is why they're like, yep, zip absolutely nothing on this one, guys.
Nothing seen here.
This is not interesting to us at all.
It's exactly right.
Right.
The Daily Mail had an article on the 26th of August.
We should commend them for this.
Where they're talking about the appalling past of a serial criminal accused of murdering Ukrainian woman who fled for safety there.
And they say here's all his mugshots.
14 times arrested.
And they are basically saying that he was convicted when he assaulted his sister in Charlotte.
When he went out, he was released.
That same month, he was also arrested for injury to personal property and trespassing.
He's a career criminal.
Career criminal.
Right.
So we have him several mugshots.
Also, it's weird they say that they have a mugshot of someone else who isn't him.
And this goes out viral, but you know, it doesn't change things.
So what we have to say here about the there's a question here about what kind of failure must take place and what are the levels of failure that must take place in order for something like this to happen.
And I think some people are saying something sensible is that, you know, there's basically zero accountability for activist judges.
Yes.
They can practice and apply the CRT philosophy you just mentioned, according to which the most oppressed people are always perennially victims of structures that override their agency, thus leaving them with zero blame for their actions.
These people, they're not held accountable by anyone.
But also, okay, let's take them at their word.
So it's the structures of society.
Well, is it not the people who occupy the power structures in society then that are responsible for this guy murdering by their own philosophy?
If that's the case, if he is just a victim of the way that society is racist towards him, then it's got to be the judges.
It's got to be the social workers.
it's got to be all of these people who are therefore held account for his behavior in society because otherwise follow up questions that make this very uncomfortable.
Exactly.
And so the Soros-funded activist judges, yeah, they are responsible for this.
They did this.
And the sad thing is that we are not talking about a failure of the judicial system alone.
We are talking about a total failure on all levels.
It's not just the judicial system.
It's also the political system.
It's the educational system and also the issue of administrating justice across the board.
And let me give you an example.
The mayor of Charlotte told people not to repose things for safety.
Yep.
So safety for the...
She cares only about the appearance of safety, not actual safety.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So what she says, I want to thank our media partners and community members who have chosen not to repost or share the footage.
Thank you, media partners.
I think your partner is carrying a lot of doing a lot of heavy lifting.
I think it's actually something of a big reveal, isn't it?
Yes.
The media partners, the fourth estate who are there to hold the powerful to account.
Yeah.
They're our partners.
They're our partners.
They should be your rivals.
They should be those people who are a real pain in the room.
This is what we were told about Bob Woodard and all of that stuff.
Indeed.
And it was a narrative.
This is how the media found its legitimacy in the first place.
Democracy dies in darkness.
That's what I heard.
Yeah.
And so here we are.
There's nothing being reported about this story.
They bury it and they're even criticizing people who do report it.
And look at how infuriating this is.
She says, I've been thinking hard about what safety really looks like in our city.
I remain committed to doing all we can to protect our residents and ensure Charlotte is a place where everyone feels safe.
Total nonsense.
Total nonsense.
And I'd say this is this is to a degree, this is malicious.
To a degree.
This is malicious, full stop.
100%.
Look, safety looks like her sitting on the train comfortably, unbothered by the people around her.
Complete lack of safety looks literally like that.
What she wants is the illusion of safety Irina had.
Yes, exactly.
This is genuinely abominable because, of course, the mayor is going to be chauffeured around in a bulletproof car.
She's going to be taken around to wherever she wants to go.
She never has to use public transport.
She's never in danger of the anarcho-tyranny created by the sort of judges releasing career criminals and mentally ill vagrants who will just randomly stab you in the throat.
She's in no danger of that at all.
And so instead of saying we need to make sure our city is safe, because of course the is safe would mean, oh, right, well, get the mentally ill vagrants off the streets.
That's Bikaye, the lot of them.
It's 1% who are going to be responsible for all of the violent crimes.
Let's just lock them up.
We need to get them off the streets.
F-A-F-O.
It's simple.
She doesn't even know.
Yeah, but look at what she's done here, right?
Instead, you feel safe when you are safe.
That's why you feel safe.
If you don't feel safe, it's because you're not safe.
You can have the same thing.
Hang on.
That's the point.
That's exactly the point, right?
When I go to some tiny little village in England and I'm wandering around, I am safe.
There's no question of it.
It's just like, you know, the average age is like 60 and I walk past a little deer and be like, good morning.
And I'm on the way to the shop or something.
I am safe.
So I don't need to worry about feeling safe.
It would be irrational not to feel safe.
But she said, no, that's actually something we've decided is not social justice.
You being safe is not social justice.
But I can't guarantee your safety.
However, we can try and make sure you feel safe.
It's like, okay, well, how are you going to do that?
Well, I'm going to do that by essentially censoring information and making sure that you aren't really aware of the level of danger that you're in.
So it's the hyper narrative of safety over the reality of the danger that you're in is what she's trying to impose on you from the comfort and absolute safety of her guarded bulletproof car.
Exactly.
I couldn't agree with you more.
And the issue is that the philosophy of punishment and blame and responsibility behind this is entirely a lack of belief.
It is the philosophy of people who are shielded from the consequences of the policy they advocate for.
It's not just luxury belief.
It's also punitive.
It is intended to punish certain groups of people.
Yeah.
And that is not separable from it.
And it is intended to say that, look, you guys carry generational guilt, a form of original sin, and they don't, and therefore you must put up with their misbehavior.
If you don't, if it was a white guy who had been 14 times violent thug, would he be let out repeatedly?
Probably not.
And it wouldn't be communicated as an isolated incident of someone with mental illness.
We would constantly be talking about, constantly being bombarded with narratives of far-right, extremist, racist epidemics.
Which is what happened with Daniel Penny.
Which is exactly what happened to Daniel Penny.
Yes.
And it all happened again.
He swung this kind of thing from happening.
And he was the problem.
And he was the problem.
Even though if you watch the video with Daniel Penny, everyone in the carriage is on his side.
Yeah.
Because this guy is intimidating everyone.
He's in everyone's face.
It looks like he's about to do something.
It looks like he could ply a knife and just stab someone in the neck.
And so black and white, whoever, everyone in the carriage is on Daniel Penny's side for a reason.
Yes, sorry.
And the failure isn't just political and a failure of activist judges.
It's also educational.
Here we have an excellent post by Frank McCormick again.
I included two of his because he did an excellent job here.
He says, I was a public school teacher in the hood for 11 years, and I know this type of kid, the type that would smack the kid sitting in front of him, tell the teacher, I don't give a F when corrected and ruined an entire years of worth of learning for the entire class.
His special education teachers would describe him as actually very smart with a lot of potential, despite him failing every class and scoring a nine on the ACT.
There would be countless meetings with him and his mom and the social workers, psychologists, principal would speak in soft voices and nod and smile when the kid told me, told them he wants to be a doctor.
They design all sorts of ridiculous accommodations that give him ample room to behave.
However, he wanted and terrorized his teachers and peers with minimal consequences.
Teachers would spend the entire class trying to rein in his behavior.
And when they called security to remove him, they have to evacuate the entire class first.
He'd rarely receive any consequences and so on and so on and so forth.
See, if this kind of behavior was just met with the birch, just with a whipping from the earliest years, you know, you're five years old, you're acting out in this, no, you get thrashed across the back of your legs.
That'll put you in your place.
And you will be on a completely different road where you know, oh no, actually, I'll just get thrashed if I do this.
So I'm not going to do it.
And it would be that simple.
That's how you prevent this kind of behavior.
I think we have the worst of both worlds because my PhD is on moral responsibility.
It's pressing.
It's thrashing naughty kids with birds.
Exactly.
It's on the strong card of the FAFO club.
Yeah.
Card carrying member.
But point is, there is a philosophy of constantly trying to absorb people from blame and say that a justice system needs to be humane and needs to constantly absorb from responsibility.
Yes, but we have what Firah said before.
We have a left that says this for my friends and constant blame for my enemies.
Ridiculous.
Friends, everything from enemies, the law.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I won't say by the sword of Ronin, that was a reply of his to me, said, and he perfectly captures this philosophy, the underdog is always righteous, justified, and unable to do any wrong, is one of the most damaging and fantastic assumptions that has been imposed in our society.
But Democrats left this and he puts within parentheses, especially women.
That's exactly why criminals are deified and regular people are villainized.
I mean, they do not have to be Floyd as a saint.
Society requires a saint.
Appearing as a saint.
That's exactly what they did.
Society to thrive require and to basically function, not just thrive, to function.
Society requires reliable citizens, not people who are career criminals, who are able to engage in conflict resolution that is peaceful without acting in such ways in cases even where there isn't conflict.
Yeah, there's no conflict here.
And also, it requires citizens and a political leadership that is able to enforce the laws by force if necessary.
Yes, absolutely.
That's it.
Leftism is an assault on this.
It's incredibly destructive and anti-civilization.
And I'll say, never forget the people who called for the defunding of the police.
Never forget them.
And never forget Irina.
Mana says, mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.
Adam Smith.
I think about this quite a lot.
Yeah, because it's just true.
It is, obviously.
100% true.
And I mean, this is such a good example.
Well, good.
Such a.
Being lenient on people like this is just a giant F you to law-abiding innocent citizens from the part of the established.
It's just a way of getting people killed.
It's how to get people murdered is to be lenient to monsters.
No, but we constantly listen to this narrative of showing respect and how people are positioned in society.
Yeah, that's exactly how a system tells you.
F you.
Yeah, that's true.
Stellios forgot to mention that the picture of the Democrats kneeling for BLM, the scarves they were wearing were the patterns of tribes which sold the slaves themselves, which wouldn't surprise me at all because, of course, the slaves don't have native patterns.
She was killed by a product of the Soros judicial system while fleeing the results of Soros foreign policy.
Interesting.
Can't really tell you a little bit about that afterwards.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We live outside of Charlotte and refuse to take the train, says NJ Brooks.
They run it under the honor system and don't check for those who pay out of fear of being racist.
Yes, well, it's much like the underground system here, in fact.
Michael says, I feel like we have more or less concluded that yes, this is happening all over Europe.
It's by design.
It is evil.
What is left to answer is why is this happening?
Who benefits and why?
There is a reason for sure.
Well, I mean, you saw the mayor, right?
She's the one who benefits from this.
She gets, because what she's doing is saying to certain communities in diverse areas, basically, I'm not going to punish you.
I'm not going to police you.
You keep voting for me to make sure I keep getting to enrich myself at the taxpayer expense.
And I will make the rules favor you and not them.
And subconsciously, this community knows what it does.
This community knows what is from it and what is not from it.
I'm very tired of us pretending that these are just isolated incidents.
Bay State says this won't stop until we start stripping judges.
Right to practice law for neglecting public safety, irresponsible failure to act in abuse of power.
Well, again, like if someone's been let out 14 times by judges, someone's got to be held accountable for this eventually.
Strangely says, greetings from the US.
Bless the Lucy's.
Well, thank you very much.
The problem with the American justice system is the criminal is considered the defendant.
Yeah, well, yeah, indeed.
Hesher just says, sends $10 and a thank you.
Well, thank you very much.
And Hacker says, my mother is schizophrenic.
Trying to force anyone away in meds is very difficult.
My mother wandered the streets, had to testify in court to get her on a meds.
Well, that's the point.
In the modern mental health system, they're like, oh, well, if we give you these things, you'll just go away and take them.
It's like, yeah, but what if they don't?
Yeah, exactly.
What happens?
What is our recourse?
Some people need to be supervised.
It's just absurd to pretend otherwise.
Yeah, and not only that, it's bad for them.
The ones who are like, no, I want to be better.
Well, they need help.
I can't just let them roam free.
But anyway, let's carry on.
Very good.
Help me move on to the next segment where we are going to be talking about the wonderful labor reshuffle, the wonderful reshuffle of the cabinet that just happened under Prime Minister Kier Starmer.
As you framed it, the musical chairs on the Titanic.
Yes, yes.
It's very much a case of everybody can see that this is a sinking ship.
Everybody can see that this is crashing, but nobody wants to admit it yet.
And nobody's calling for an early election just yet.
But what's up?
Well, Farage is, yes, that's right.
Labour know what's up.
They are saying, we know reform have been gaining momentum.
Farah has a clear target, rolling back all the progress this and every other Labor government has made.
I'll vote for him now.
Yes, fine.
I've got my criticisms of Nigel Farage, but if you're half as right-wing as they say, I'll take it.
Exactly.
Exactly.
We need as many Labour Party members as possible to make an urgent contribution to our campaign fund.
Oh, I bet you do.
So the fact that they're saying that this is for the campaign fund is a bit of a tell about what they really expect.
Yeah, we've got another four years or so to be worrying about campaigns.
Yeah, so, you know, they're quite worried now, I would suggest.
And for good reason, they have a lot of reasons to worry.
Firstly, let's talk about Raynor.
Aside from the personal criticisms of her, her importance is that she was the most senior person connected to the labor unions in government.
She was also representative of the unitary nature of Starmer's cabinet.
Yes.
Because she was working class.
Yes.
And that was one of the main defenses.
Oh, they just hate a working class woman who makes this.
She also had a libertarian hate of taxes for paying taxes.
Yeah, and I am sympathetic to that.
But, you know, if she didn't hammer on about everyone else dodging taxes, maybe it wouldn't be such a big deal.
So the fact that she's gone means that something of the connection between the labor unions and the Labour Party is also gone.
Because the most senior people now who are associated with the union movement in Britain, which underpins the Labour Party itself, that this is an important point to make.
The Labour Party has two anchors, the Fabian Society and the Labour Unions.
One of these anchors is gone.
And the most senior people from unions, according to my research, and I'm happy to be corrected, are just assistant whips, which is a pretty junior role.
There are two assistant whips that are associated with the labor unions.
That's pretty much it.
These are pretty junior roles.
So there's nobody now in cabinet speaking for them.
And this is happening at a time when Corbyn is working on his own party, the so-called your party.
Not just Corbyn, but the Greens as well are very aggressive at the moment.
And the Greens.
So there is a sort of pulling apart of the Labour Party that is happening and is accelerated by the resignation of Rayner.
So that's one important consequence.
We've seen the Conservative Party implode.
It's probably not going to recover.
It's definitely not recovering under Cami.
And now we're that an election is four years away.
No, no, no.
She said, if you don't like it, leave.
Thank you.
Which people are, instantly.
But it's just what a ridiculous thing to say.
It was the laughable boomers who voted for her, and now they're shifting towards Farage.
So this is going to be quite interesting.
So a civil war is brewing within the Labour Party.
Thornberry is running.
It seems that Starmer was Emily Thornbury is running to become deputy labour leader.
She has an axe to grind because she was passed over as Attorney General and we ended up with Hermer instead, who has been nothing but a disaster.
Probably more competent than Thornbury.
I mean, competent competent.
Fine.
Evil.
You know what I mean?
Fine.
Anyway, sorry, gone.
So Corbyn is trying to get Raynor on side.
This will be quite interesting.
Why wouldn't he?
Why wouldn't he?
Thornbury, among others, are running, and we're going to talk about that a little bit later.
But you have to remember that this is happening in a context where Starmer has been told by senior leaders within his party that he could be gone from the party by May, depending on how they perform in the local elections that are scheduled for May.
Well, how are they doing on the comms?
Surely Starmer can be like, yeah, but look at my numbers.
Yeah, no.
Last one I saw was Starmer on 11% approval rating, the Labour Party.
Something like that.
11%.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Something like that.
So it's really quite pathetic.
And the person who's replacing Raynor as Deputy Prime Minister is David Lamy.
So this is a guy, I mean, he's Guinean.
Firstly, he's been calling for reparations endlessly for very many, many years.
2018, yeah.
This is from 2018, exactly.
So can we just pause on this?
I love this.
David Lammy, I'm British.
Quote, we want reparations.
Who do you want reparations from?
Who's the we here?
Yeah.
What's the we?
Exactly.
And he says in this speech, Caribbean people.
It's like, right, so they're not British.
Got it.
Understood.
Thank you, David.
He's pretty open about it when it's convenient.
He's a famous moron.
To add to this, there's a very famous clip where people ask him who succeeded Henry VIII.
And he says, I have that here.
Thank you very much.
Yes.
I mean, I have that here.
This is an old one.
Go on.
I mean, let's laugh.
Which American chat show host has business ventures, including Harpo Productions and Oxygen Media, which operates a 24-hour cable television network for women.
Yes.
So he knows this stuff.
Oh, good.
This is easy peasy.
He knows.
Who acceded to the English throne at the age of nine on the death of his father, Henry VIII, in 1547?
Henry VIII.
Edward VI.
That's not how numbers work.
This is a guy.
He was culture secretary at the time, I think, or had done before that.
He'd been culture secretary for two years.
He thought that black smoke and white smoke coming out of the Vatican were racial signals.
So when the BBC said, will it be black smoke or white smoke?
He said, oh, now you're just being racist.
And the BBC was kind enough to make sure that you couldn't read his tweet just to hide the extent.
Very kind.
So basically, someone allowed to fail upwards.
Yeah, pretty much.
Oh, his entire life.
Pretty much.
He got a scholarship back when he was young because he was black.
And he got sent to various different law schools.
Went to Harvard.
Harvard, yeah.
Went to Harvard Law School.
Not because he's a genius or even one of our best and brightest, but because he's black and he's been affirmative action.
And then when you look at his constituency of Tottenham, well, it's 22% English.
So he's just literally a diversity higher.
His entire career has been diversity higher.
And the thing is, David Lamy's evident brain power has been something legendary.
I mean, there are just so many small clips.
There's one where he's doing an interview with the news.
And he's like, look, I just don't see any policemen around.
And there's literally one standing behind him in shot.
He's like, no, we haven't seen a policeman all day.
It's like, it's like Diane Abbott.
It's just actual morons being pushed up because of their race.
And we all have to pretend that they're not morons.
And I'm trying to imagine the situation at the dispatch box when it's him and Kemi when Starmer isn't in the country.
I mean, Kemi is not a moron.
She's not stupid.
She's not as stupid.
She's not an Abbott stupid.
I don't think she's stupid.
I think she's kind of unaware of what British cultures are.
I think she's darkly.
She's not a genius.
Yeah, exactly.
She's not a moron.
The fact that she couldn't ever land a decent punch at the dispatch box, given what an open goal the Labour government provides on a daily basis, on a daily basis, shows you that there is a level of dullness there underpinning her lackluster performance.
The fact that she can't make it to anything on time is quite laughable.
It's just, she's just not very bright.
That's all.
But a more interesting person to look at is what's her first name?
Mahmoud.
Shabana Mahmoud.
Now, she's being promoted by The Guardian as someone who is tough on crime legal migration.
Just so anyone knows.
So was it Cooper was the home secretary?
Yvette Cooper was the home secretary.
She was given the foreign office now.
Yes.
David Lamy was foreign secretary.
Yes, I'm sure.
David Lamy was the foreign secretary.
He's been made into the Justice Secretary and to the Deputy Prime Minister.
And Shabana Mahmoud was the Justice Secretary.
And now she is in the Home Office.
And she apparently has said that she doesn't like migrants committing crimes, that she thinks that the Pakistani rape gang issue must be dealt with, that she thinks that illegal migration should be dealt with.
These are positive signs.
But I suspect that there is a little more to it that we need to consider, including some of her views.
So we've seen the liberals sort of objecting here and saying, you know, we shouldn't think about her skin color.
We shouldn't think about her religion.
We shouldn't think about her sex.
This is desperately naive.
So just to be clear, James is a friend of the show and he's a decent chap.
Great guy.
Yeah, very good.
He's done very good work.
Very good work.
A very respectable, brave man.
However, this is the last paradigm's opinion on the origins of peoples.
Yes.
And I think it's not correct.
Exactly.
And this is what I'm arguing with him in this thread.
Exactly.
Saying, look, these things aren't incidental.
Mahmoud is.
She's many videos of her praising Islam and saying how it informs everything that she does.
And then, of course, yeah, you get this as well.
Oh, attack her for her politics.
Not what she says, not for who she is.
It's like, well, I'm sorry, but you've been attacking us for who we are for decades.
Exactly.
And so you can't be like, well, okay, well, let's just talk about politics, guys.
No.
She's been talking about the importance of racial justice and things like that forever.
And then she wants us to ignore a kind of way, does it?
Yeah, exactly.
When it suits her.
So Shabbana Mahmoud has been quite supportive of the Palestinians endlessly.
She's been protesting left and right.
She signed letters to release a child rapist because he was being deported.
We should consider that.
When she says that the Labour Party has lost Muslim voters' trust over Gaza, well, it sort of accepts the premise that these are different communities with different beliefs, different identities, different values, different operating principles, and therefore different interests.
And it's embedded in that question.
But also, we all come from a community.
And she is talking and if I mean, just like the things she's like, these are the product of these positions, this politics is the product of her coming from this community.
Precisely.
I'm not saying that Shabana is some sort of radical jihadi or something like that.
Obviously, she's not.
But the I don't want to say prejudice because it seems like a hard word, but like the natural disposition towards that community is favourable to give grace to that community.
And that means the natural disposition on other sides, if we're going to go for implicit bias, like we were told for so many years that everyone had, it's going to be against other communities.
Yep.
And also...
Sorry.
Apologies.
Apologies.
Sorry.
No, I wanted to say that she is now a member of the government of England.
Yes.
So presumably she would care about solving English problems instead of trying to do the thing where, you know, Palestinian liberation and climate emergency are the same thing.
But this are connected.
It's all connected.
But this is trans liberation and queers in Palestine.
But this is the point, though.
You know, just because you're like, right, you're being put into the government of Great Britain doesn't mean that the natural bias and sentiments towards the certain community disappears.
This doesn't go away and it informs everything she does, as she tells us.
Well, here she is commenting about English flags.
People that you see holding the English flag, most of the time, Diamondic, in the words, will be the EDL.
And they are white, and they are male, and they're bad people, and they want to divide our communities from one another.
They're bad, they're white, they're English, they're male, and they want to divide.
Sorry, sorry.
Why do the EDL exist?
Oh, they exist because of the Muslim rape gangs that were operating for decades.
And the police, as Jess Phillips admitted, were involved that she knew about and nobody did anything.
We're involved in the rapes themselves.
Not just the cover-up.
Not just the cover-up.
And Shabana has got the temerity to say, no, the EDL were the bad guys.
They're the bad guys because they're white and male.
And English.
So the idea that you can separate her external appearance, her identity, her original nationality, etc., etc., whatever you want to call it.
The idea that you can separate this from her politics is belied by her own fucking words.
But also, she literally says it.
There's another question that if we take her rhetoric in its entirety, what percentage is anti-white?
And what other percentage is anti-anti-grooming gangs?
Well, has she ever said anything anti-Islam?
Let's see.
That's a great question, Carl.
Islam, my own religion.
Like a lot of practicing Muslims, my faith is the most important thing in my life.
It is the absolute driver of everything that I do.
I feel a very strong calling of my own conscience and my conscience calls me to God.
That is how.
Okay, well, I mean, that seems to settle.
That kind of settles things.
Yeah.
That kind of simplifies things.
I know where her loyalties lie now, and it's not with Britain.
Exactly.
With not with the people here.
Exactly.
Okay, well.
And the idea that these things are completely separate, that you can separate identity from politics, is belied by the last 50 years of effort to create a society that is blind to religion, is blind to origin, is blind to ethnicity, and the reaction that this effort has begun.
And not only that, that whole society presupposed an overwhelming absolute majority of ethnic homogeneity.
And, okay, they've got 5% to 10% around the edges who we're not going to be mean to because of who they are, because they will just never have the kind of institutional power and community power to do any damage with their own intrinsic biases towards themselves and against what we want.
So we can have the fiction of the colorblind universal meritocratic society, and they have no choice but to play in our sandbox.
Exactly.
That time is rapidly coming to a close now.
That time is gone.
Because of the speed of the demographic change that all of Europe is experiencing.
And so Starmer is going to push nice Miss Mahmoud to become the deputy party leader.
But to see off the left, right?
To see off the left.
So he's going to see.
This is the Kemi Beidnoch strategy.
There's a beautiful line here, which is that the Labour Party has a huge number of Muslim members and they will all vote for here.
It is.
This is from a Labour insider.
This is not from us racists at the Lotus Eaters.
There are huge numbers of Muslim members of the Labour Party and they would vote for Shabana.
Why?
In addition, she won't be a problem for the leadership.
Why wouldn't they vote against along religious lines?
Why wouldn't they vote for Angela Reiner?
What are we talking about?
What's the difference?
When labor insiders say that Muslims will vote for fellow Muslims, that's okay.
When the Lotus Eaters say that Muslims will support other Muslims, that's bigotry.
Somebody explained to me the rules here.
Well, the rules are FU.
Ah.
That's the rules.
You know that.
That simplifies it.
You know how this works.
Yep, yep, yep.
Here's a nice picture of her.
She was protesting outside of a Sainsbury shop, trying to shut them down because they had Israeli products, or she says, products from illegal Israeli settlements, which, you know.
Look, I'm not a big fan of what Israel does.
No, I don't particularly say the fact that she is a partisan to this conflict reflects her broader worldview.
And to pretend otherwise is naive beyond belief.
I mean, she literally tells us that the people who defend English identity are the bad guys, and Islam informs everything she does.
And the Labour Party then tells us, yeah, the Muslims will vote for her on these grounds.
Yes.
So why would I expect anything that didn't have the kind of implicit bias that she obviously demonstrates?
Exactly.
And so just to sort of try to close this with a couple of points, it seems pretty obvious that Starmer wants to use Mahmoud to try to help with some issues on illegal migration, maybe oversee some kind of milquetoast inquiry into the grooming gangs that doesn't expose anybody.
But it also seems very obvious that what is going to happen is that the migration numbers, the legal migration numbers, will not come down in any way.
There will be a focus on illegal migration, which is 5% of the total.
And she will be used to sort of bridge the divide with some of the Muslim community, help cure Starmer electorally, pretend that there's been some meaningful achievements when the actual bigger problem, legal migration, gets completely unaddressed.
And we know that she will favor her co-religionists in migration policy.
And she is naive to pretend otherwise.
She's being put in charge of the department that deals with legal migration.
Which has a very large Muslim network.
And that Muslim network has been sufficiently effective to deny refugee status to Christians genuinely fleeing persecution.
Remember when Rishi Sunak was put in charge, and he was like, yeah, 250,000 Indians a year.
This is nothing to do with me being Indian.
Not at all.
Not at all.
Absolutely nothing to do with it.
But this isn't.
Stella Sinch has got 250,000 Greeks a year.
That's better.
It's an improvement.
It has to be improved, frankly.
It's an improvement.
I'll be the local chieftain.
Yeah, okay.
But really, what's surprising about the reshuffle is that Ed Miliband survived, meaning that Starmer is fully committed to the net zero lunacy, meaning that the economy will continue to tank.
Survive.
Of all the people, survive, exactly.
And what's also surprising is that Rachel Reeves survived.
And it's important because I think Starmer is getting ready to get rid of her, but maybe after a different crisis.
Maybe.
I mean, currently in just a sort of rolling crisis at this point.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
It is literally a perma crisis.
So what's been happening is that he has been Starmer has been strengthening his own economics team, including by taking Reeves' own deputy and putting him in number 10 and by appointing a range of new economic advisors.
And he's announced a super ministry that's going to focus on economic growth.
And it isn't clear how that is going to work with the treasury.
Meaning that Reeves is being stripped of her power and being prepared to be the next sacrificial lamb when the guild markets act up once more.
So this is what's kind of happening.
This is a sinking ship.
And Starmer is trying to figure out a way of staying on top of it for as long as he can.
And sorry, but to plug in my own website, I've written about the next financial crisis that's probably coming to Britain.
And the timing of the next election, the next local election in May is going to be an interesting starting point for a lot of the stuff.
I mean, Farage is convinced it'll be next year, end of next year after the May elections at some point.
Very possibly.
And I mean, I would be shocked.
And I remember having this conversation last year with someone.
I was like, well, do you think he's really going to fill out his term?
They're like, well, why wouldn't he?
It's like, because he's not going to do a good job.
And here we are, a year in.
Everyone hates him.
The country's going terribly.
There's no fixing the system from within, basically.
No.
And yeah, no, I'd be shocked if he lasts.
And I sadly can't see any room for course correction.
No, they can't go anywhere.
They're too ideological.
Yeah, they're too ideological.
Every time where you think maybe something's going to change with them, they end up making things worse.
You think Rachel Reeves is going to come in one day and go, I found this book by a guy called Milton Friedman.
I think he's making a lot of good points, you know.
And they'll sit around and go, what, who?
Never heard of him, which entirely possible they've never heard of him, but like, I don't think they're going to change.
I think they're too good.
But also, not just Milton Friedman, but also the Social Democrats of Denmark.
Anyway, right-wing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
In comparison to them.
Yeah, anyone at all that's not theirs.
But anyway, Johnny says that it's beginning to seem that legal systems in Western societies are failing regardless of the countries.
It's the same problems across the board, yeah, from your segment, but that's true, basically.
It's the same attitude that permeates the entire West at this point.
Homeworld says, last Friday's podcast, I was a little dismayed that Harry promoted the anti-British Nazi apologist Zuma historian.
Yeah, me too.
I didn't know he did that.
There are better-based historians such as Bodade and Tick History.
Yeah, I think we've got a couple around.
Yeah, no, Zuma historian, his videos are actually really funny.
He's like, now, I just want to say these are just for educational purposes, but this is part 727 of a series on how Hitler did nothing wrong.
And it's like, look, bro, just come out and say it.
It's fine.
You know, I'm not going to judge you, but come on.
This hiding behind this is just for neutral.
Come on, that's childish.
Reverend says, I like this Firaz fellow.
I like the cut of his jib.
Thank you.
And Dreadnought says, so what I hear is the siege is working.
And yeah, that's the point, right?
And this is why I'm going to the protest on the 13th and I'll be speaking there.
And this is why, even though in the face of withering criticism from friends of ours online, yes, it's still worth doing, even though any individual protest is not going to do anything.
It's straws on the camel's back.
It's making them feel surrounded.
It's making them feel under siege.
It's making them feel that millions of people are against them because they are, and they have to, and the more, the more pressure you put on them, the more they feel the need to act.
And the more that they act, the closer they are to making a mistake.
And so you've got to keep going.
Andrew, for $50, thanks, man.
You all dropped some gems.
I've discovered that communists don't cherish beauty.
They seminize from its ruins, mistaking ashes for progress.
Don't nut up.
When a brave man takes a stand, the spines of others are often stiffened.
Well, thank you very much.
That's true.
Yeah.
Cheersman NC, thanks for covering this.
I think we have another one as well.
Sorry, I just need to get to it.
Afternoon, gents, have you seen the video of our beloved Shibana talking about the whiteness and what it means to be English?
It's on the English Labour Network YouTube channel.
Really?
Interesting.
I'll check it out.
I haven't seen that.
I'll check it out.
And there was another one here, wasn't there?
Am I missing it?
It's the same one come up twice for some reason.
All right.
But anyway, thank you very much.
Right.
So let's carry on.
So the flags are still going up all over the country, actually.
Can we just play this in the background with no sound on?
As you can see, this is in Birmingham.
And I mean, people are very much enjoying this.
But notice how now it's the national flags of the British Isles that are being collated together.
The England flag, the Welsh flag, the Scottish flag, and the Irish flag.
And the Northern Irish flag down at the bottom there, you can see.
People feel very strongly about this.
And I'm completely in support of this, obviously, because this is our country.
This is our land.
That's what these flags mean.
These flags mean the native population of these countries get to have the primary claim on the countries.
That's what it means.
And so if the country is in some way being governed for the interests of foreign groups who can define themselves from countries elsewhere, then their interests have to come a distance second to ours.
And if they don't like it, they have somewhere they can go.
They can flee from the country after it's been ruined, basically, is what we're saying.
We have nowhere else we can go to.
And so this is pretty uncontroversial, I would say, unless you're, of course, a left-winger.
Many of the councils have taken them down, but certain councils, such as in the northeast here, this is from the Daily Express, the Blackburn and Darwin Council has said that, no, we're going to leave the flags up.
We're not going to go and put flags up ourselves because that would cost money and we're councils, so we don't have any money.
But if you put the flags up, we're not going to spend money taking them down, which is great, because why would you?
But then if you think about like the northeast of Britain, sorry, this was, it's still quite homogeneous.
It's really just this giant scar across the middle of England.
But the southwest and the northeast are still majority English areas by a long way.
And so why wouldn't they?
What would be the reason to take them down?
Well, we get told a lot of the time that flags are really inclusive, right?
Now, this, I think this is in Brighton.
Now, the people in Brighton.
Yes, the people in Brighton are brain damaged.
I think Hove is the lesbian district.
I don't doubt.
Well, someone put up an England flag and a Union flag there.
Early 20s women cheering to take it down.
And then some guy who hopes he's going to get with one of them later is doing it for them.
Yeah.
These are the kind of people who are against the flag.
And the question, though, is why are they doing this?
They're doing this because they know that the England flag in particular is not an inclusive symbol.
They are doing this because they're well aware.
Oh, no, this is a statement of the domination of the native people of this country.
And I, as an insane traitorous leftist, hate the native people of this country, the people to whom I belong.
And I want to see a Palestine flag.
So, I mean, if that was a Palestine flag, they would never take it down.
It's not a Ukraine flag.
They would never take it down.
Exactly.
They take it down because it's an English flag and they cheer because they hate this country.
And honestly, it's a big test.
Basically, these people need to be imprisoned.
Anyway, moving on.
That's the problem of the narrative that they have with all of this.
Now, as you can see from the people organically doing these things, they know why they're putting these flags up.
The people who are dragging them down know why they're dragging them down.
The flag is not a unifying symbol across ethnicities.
It is an ethnic symbol.
By definition.
By definition.
And that's why they do it.
And so you've got people on GB News and elsewhere.
It's not just GB News saying, well, look, these flags matter because they're being used to divide us.
It's like, well, sorry.
Who started that?
Who was the one waving their flags with hundreds of thousands of them marching through London, shouting all sorts of slogans?
Who were the ones doing it with the pride flags?
Who were the ones doing it with the Ukraine flags?
Yeah, Pakistani flags.
Pakistani flags.
The Albanian flag on Albanian Independence Day.
Yeah.
Lighting up the Birmingham towns city hall in the Pakistani flag and the Indian flag on their independence days from Britain.
Sorry, who started this?
Division.
But did we come out and say, oh, well, these flags are becoming weapons to divide us?
Yeah, they were.
And we've taken a lot of bloody fire recently.
So you're getting it back.
But leftism is division.
This is sinister because what he wants to say is there are going to be different rules.
And you're going to play by my rules and I'm not going to play by yours.
Yes.
That's what he says.
If division wasn't natural, we wouldn't have an India and a Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Good point.
And they know this perfectly about themselves.
There can be no non-exclusive identity.
Yes.
The identity is exclusive.
The very nature of an identity is a declaration against something else.
I am not these other things.
I am this thing.
And so you get this everywhere.
I mean, like, Zach Polanski, the world's most.
I don't know.
This is just hilarious.
Just the world's most photogenic man suggests that the flags are being used to intimidate.
I'm not going to play the LBC clip because they'll copyright claim us.
But he says that the flags are being used to intimidate.
And, well, I mean, if you feel intimidated by the English.
Isn't the Pakistan flag intimidating?
Well, that's the point.
No, no, no, but that's exactly the point.
If putting up a flag as a statement of ethnic possession of a land is a form of intimidation to those people who don't belong to that group, what Zach is saying is, yes, for this whole time, you've been intimidated by the Palestine flag, by the Pakistan flag, by the Prime flag.
They're designed to intimidate you, as we as leftists think when we shove the trans flag in your face.
This is designed to intimidate you.
When you put the flag up, well, that's intimidating.
Okay, fine.
Fine.
I'm in favor of intimidating you with our flag, if that's the way that you think of this, because you've been doing it to us this whole time.
So no mercy from me on that one.
Ross Kemp, though, was like, well, I think it's being hijacked for political means.
It's like, Ross, do you know what a national flag is?
It's an intrinsically political thing.
Isn't the origin of the flag the war banner?
Yes.
It's literally a symbol of a military formation.
Yes.
That then sort of expanded to a national identity.
Yes.
Every flag of every nation is an intrinsically political statement.
It couldn't be anything else.
It says when you put up the flag, this nation, this group owns this territory and has jurisdiction, sovereignty over this territory.
The idea that you can say that a flag has been hijacked for political means.
Flags were not really designed for football.
I don't know how to explain it for this guy.
I'm not speaking of restaurants and the Eurovision.
Maybe he is.
But the point being, it's like, again, and the thing is, I don't want to go hard on Ross Kemp for this, because I don't think he's a bad chap or anything.
But like, you can see how they're like, well, I mean, oh, no, they're just trying to be divisive about it.
It's like, right, okay, anything to say about the Pakistan flags or the Palestine flags or the trans flags?
No, it's just when we fly our flag that suddenly, oh, you're hijacking this political symbol.
Because you're getting in the way of the liberal agenda.
Exactly.
That's the point.
That's what you're doing.
That's exactly what.
You're asserting that liberalism is over.
Yep, it won't be tolerated any longer.
It's failed.
Multiculturalism has failed.
All of this insane experiment has gone to the dogs.
Yep.
As anyone can see.
As anyone can see.
And confronting us with this reality means that you're dividing us.
Because you're forcing us to think about whether or not the stupid assumptions that we've operated on for the last two generations are in any way valid.
And also, our entire project relied on you just shutting up and letting us.
You don't even have to really do anything.
If you just put up a symbol that is in opposition to us, that's it.
We're panicking now.
Oh, God, the whole thing's going off the rails.
It's like, look, if that's all it takes, then you had a right.
Because they managed to do this for so long without any opposition.
And they're not accustomed to meeting resistance.
And in the first segment, we have a politician who said, thank you for shutting up.
Yes.
That's exactly the point.
This only works as long as you just keep quiet and allow them to essentially funnel you into the channels that they approve.
You need to remember that our God is a God of battle and he is the Lord of hosts.
And that that implies a willingness to fight when necessary.
Yes.
So anyway, speaking of a willingness to fight when necessary, this has become the flashpoint of the lib.
Now, I can see why they've chosen this one, because this is a really bad target.
Why would you vandalize a Chinese takeaway, guys?
What are you doing?
Right?
It's a bit silly, but isn't there a little bit more to the story?
No, not really, as far as I can tell.
I think what was more to the story was that it turns out that this restaurant had been changing the name of the company that owns it around a dozen times.
Yes, to presumably avoid taxes or something.
To avoid taxes and things of that nature.
I kind of support that.
No, I'm joking.
Like Angela Reyna.
It's like, look, she's bad because she's a communist, but a tax avoidance.
I approve of.
Yeah, fair enough.
No, I understand.
But there's doubtless some backstory to it, but I don't think that's why they did this.
So that's a bit of an aside that I don't want to get dragged down into.
So basically, Chinese takeaways are pretty much a staple across England.
They have been, because frankly, no one's like, oh, no, the Chinese grooming gangs are raping my children, or the Chinese are creating vast colonies in our cities.
This hasn't really been the experience of the English with Chinese takeaways.
So this is obviously just really inappropriate, right?
Obviously, it's quite stupid, I think.
Don't go and vandalize anything, obviously, right?
We have to be responsible on this show.
Don't go and vandalize anything.
That's not how we're going to win.
In fact, I'm going to show you in a minute.
This gives them a way of punching back at us on this line because this is really, really stupid.
But I mean, look at what they've said.
Is it cat and dog?
So as if this is a racist joke that Chinese people eat cats and dogs, I'm sure they don't serve cat and dog there.
England get up misspelled.
Brilliant.
This is what makes it suspicious.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, we don't know who did it.
And it's just being assumed that it's Gamonzilla has reached out and expressed himself in this way.
Yes.
Okay, but it may be that, I don't know.
Maybe they're just not brilliantly well educated.
But the point being, we'll assume for now, until proven otherwise, that this is an expression, an organic expression of Gammonzilla stirring and voicing his displeasure with the current state of affairs.
Obviously, the local Chinese takeaway is not the right place to do this.
Vandalizing anything is not the right way to do it.
But the point is, it does show us how they think.
Now, they got this chap who was like, look, where is this takeaway?
I wouldn't mind visiting show support.
Well done to the window cleaning company to help out.
So this is a guy called Big John the Bosch father, who is a social media influencer from the working class of England.
And he says Bosch a lot like Tom Skinner.
And so they got him on BBC Newsnight to come and explain why, as a proud Englishman, you shouldn't do this.
Now, I can explain this for you.
I'm a proud Englishman.
You shouldn't go and vandalize anything, obviously.
But this is what he said.
And it's not actually terribly offensive.
I love my country.
I'm a proud Englishman.
And when you see the flags going up, I can see why people are doing it because a lot of institutions around the country won't put up the flags.
So people are sort of taking it amongst their self.
And it's normal people that are doing it.
But every now and again, it blows over.
You get the isolated incident, which isn't good, which is upsetting.
So did you see a picture of a Chinese takeaway in York saying, go home?
Yeah, I saw that online.
And I think the lady had been running it for 15 years.
She's lived here.
She's worked hard.
And I'm associated with Chinese takeaways.
But I would have felt the same if it had been an Indian, Caribbean, Mexican, Greek, Turkish.
You know, people that are working here shouldn't be targeted like that.
No one should be targeted like that.
And it just sort of hit a nerve.
And I'm going up to York in a couple of weeks.
I'm going to go into the takeaway and give them a bit of custom.
So that is like I said, a completely fair statement.
Yep.
That no one obviously should just be targeted because they are foreign in the country.
Don't go and vandalize their shops.
Blah, blah, blah.
That's not how any of this gets resolved.
And this is, in fact, how they end up crushing the native resistance, right?
This is this gives them the justification.
So do not do this.
But the problem that a lot of people had with this is that he does kind of skip over the, I understand why they're doing this.
The institutions won't put the flags.
Like, yeah, that's an excess of the problem.
That's one of the sort of like, you know, outgrowths of the problem.
But the problem is a lot deeper and a lot more core to the nature of the protests and the issue with the country.
And so a lot of people are like, well, you know, I'm completely on his side, obviously.
You've got people with pronouns on the bio, she, her here, being like, oh, absolute all-timer from Big John, where on Instagram, someone's posted, I bet you put Bingland flags up.
Hey, anyone that isn't white.
And he's like, no, check out my latest post with BBC News Night, mate.
Educate yourself before typing.
And then John has replied with, posted this saying, I'm sorry, but these types of comments make me sick.
He's made this comment in my post on Cornwall about having a pint of Doombar.
I'm accused by far-right people of not being patriotic enough.
And this chap accuses me of being a racist.
I'm not a racist or far-right.
I'm a normal English bloke who loves England, loves Great Britain, and respects all the different backgrounds that live in our country and make us great.
Right.
Okay.
So, what makes England great?
Feel that you're being made great.
Yes.
What makes England great is diversity.
He's literally saying here, diversity is our strength.
Yep, pretty much.
Right.
Pretty much.
I believe that you're not racist or far-right, John.
But I also don't believe that you're not a leftist when you just parrot their leftists' talking points.
And I'm not saying that John, of course, is a political theorist who's spent a lot of time speculating on this.
But the thing is, I actually think John probably needs to start thinking about this.
Actually, is it the nature of England in particular that it was great because of its diversity?
Or was it great prior to the diversity?
And what was the incentive of the diversity to just come here and be like, oh, look, look at England.
It's crap.
Look at your crap.
Look at your history.
Look at the accomplishments of England.
Absolutely nothing until about 1948.
When we decided, you know what, we can't allow England to be this useless, pathetic, benighted country that never accomplished anything on the world stage.
No, no, no, we're not going to make Uganda great or anything.
No, no, no.
Screw you, kind of.
It's already brilliant here.
We're going to, for no reason at all, out of our own kindness of our heart, completely altruistically, move over to England and just like, listen, you stupid English.
You can't look.
This is how you build up a country.
We're going to show you.
Just use all of our countries as the model.
Was that how it was, John?
Or was it that England had the largest empire in human history?
It was the richest country that had ever existed until that point.
And these people thought, I would like some of that.
And for some reason, they're going to let me in.
Is that how that worked, John?
Anyway, you can see how there are people calling the house gammon over this, which I think is a bit uncharitable.
Because I'm sure he's not a bad chap.
But the thing is, buying into their narratives is not a good idea because it gets these kind of people behind you.
Yeah.
Something I want to say is that I know from my background in academia how narratives are weaponized against people.
And it's very often the case that everyday people who aren't that informed when it comes to political discourse and rhetoric, they try to get some points across.
And in trying to communicate these points across, they end up picking bits and pieces from the narrative of the establishment.
It may be completely unintentional, but it happens.
It's like framing works in debates.
100%.
But the point of the narratives of the establishment is that they are logically coherent, whether they're true or not.
And so once you accept some of it, then other bits of it fall in.
And through process of inference, you end up at their conclusion whether you like it or not.
So basically, John, from your perspective of diversity is our strength, what's the argument against mass immigration?
Why shouldn't we just have an infinite number of immigrants from around the world?
I mean, the people who want an infinite number of immigrants to swarm England are just coming out and being like, oh, look at that.
John Faisal, Leslie with the hammer and sickle there, being like, the people's champion.
Do you want communists supporting you?
Do you want these people on your side?
So actually, John's a normal, open-minded guy who just believes that diversity is our strength.
Are you sure you want these guys on your side, mate?
Because these people hate you.
If you'd just come around and said, well, actually, I do think maybe the English are the ones with the primary claim to England, they would be castigating you as a racist at the moment.
But we can all say, don't go and vandalize a Chinese shop.
Don't bully people for being foreign, obviously.
But that doesn't mean that we want communism, does it?
Anyway, a lot of people are pointing out that this is kind of the British version of the Hicklib meme, as in the sort of the house gammon, as it's being called, which is, again, uncharitable.
But there are a lot of people saying it.
So it must have resonated with them in some way.
And I mean, look at this.
Look at this, right?
These people hated you out of just a pure resentment against the English working class.
When I first saw Bing John everywhere, I cringed.
Why does he cringe?
Because he sees a fat white man who's English, a proud Englishman.
That's why he cringed, John.
He's racist against you, John.
But because you came out and said diversity is our strength, you're a genuinely lovely guy.
You can love your country and not be filled with hate for everyone else.
Great point.
Great point, Phil.
Can't hear you there, Samson.
Sorry.
And then, so people are like, well, look, John's the perfect character for the regime to AstroTurf.
Big, fat, working-class gammon type they can use to roll out and spout a bunch of regime-approved nonsense that is contrary to every belief you'd expect them to have, which is precisely what these people are commenting on.
And I wonder who is lining his pockets.
Well, he says no one's lining my pockets.
Well, okay, that means you're doing it for free, John.
It's called being proud of your country and the right way to behave and conduct yourself.
Now, again.
You can't be proud of your country without being attached to your people.
I'm sorry, the two are completely.
What does it mean?
What does it mean to be proud of your country if you're proud of the multicultural UK?
The two are fundamentally contradictory claims.
I'm proud of the globalist order that is imposing itself on Britain and destroying our country.
I mean, John, right?
I agree.
We shouldn't be offensive to people.
We shouldn't be going around bullying people.
We should be polite in all things.
But what does that mean for the people of Luton where they're 31% English?
Is that normal?
Is that the way that this should be going?
What about London, where you can see there's hardly any, I mean, look at these wards.
14%.
There was one I just went over there.
Newham.
14%.
This is a foreign colony, mate, right?
I agree.
We shouldn't go around bullying Chinese takeaway owners, obviously, but being proud of your country when you're being genuinely demographically replaced in these areas.
And you can see that this is just spreading outwards.
I mean, I live here and it's began here too.
Like, this is not going to stop unless we arrest immigration itself.
It just has to be the case.
And it seems that no practical argument penetrates through the skulls of the people in charge.
They don't care how bad the quality of life in this country is getting.
They don't care how overpopulated we are.
They don't care about any of these things.
So we are going to have to assert a moral argument in order to make the case.
And that has to be, if we continue like this, we lose England.
That's the moral argument.
England is for the English and we get to decide who lives here.
And if that means closing the borders so the rest of the country doesn't end up like Birmingham or London, then I'd say that's perfectly fair, isn't it?
That's not me being hateful.
That's not being a racist.
That's not me saying that every Chinese chip shop in the country should be vandalized with the St. George's Cross, which again, I think is a terrible thing to do.
That's me saying we have a right and we do have a right.
So just think about what you're playing into when you stand on their side.
When you stand on their side, they are in favor of this continuing.
They're not on your side.
They hate.
You can be on their side, but they will never be on your side.
And intrinsically, they cringe at you.
He has to be a bit more disagreeable.
I agree.
Anyway, Dan also made the point that I'm going to go out and limb here and make the assertion that John isn't getting sexually harassed by migrants on the way to school.
Which, again, probably.
Think about the people you're actually defending here, John.
Like the sort of woke lib types who enjoy the dispossession of the people.
King's Chinese takeaway as a target is a bit too perfect.
It's very strange, isn't it?
Because they're not exactly the problem.
Everyone likes Chinese talent.
Yeah, exactly.
This is what makes me sort of wonder about the authenticity of it.
We don't have any evidence to say that it wasn't being reported, et cetera, et cetera.
But one should wonder because, like.
We have lots of reasons to question the editorial framing, though, right?
Because a bunch of mosques were also vandalized.
And Newsnight didn't be like, did you see those mosques that got vandalized?
Because the people watching maybe not be so sympathetic to that.
But everyone likes their Chinese takeaway on a Friday or Saturday night.
And obviously the Chinese community in Britain has done nothing wrong.
So why not use this as the sort of perfect victim of this?
But like I said, don't go and vandalize anything anyway because that doesn't help and that's just going to make us look bad.
But John, you've got to understand, man, these people kind of hate you.
And they will literally tell you that they think that you're bad because of the way you look.
And it's only when you parrot the approved lines that they go, oh, no, actually he's a good guy, right?
Anyway, let's move on to the video comments.
Square Black says, we should bully other cultures out if they have bullied their way in.
If you come to my house and put the kettle on, I expect you to take your shoes off.
Well, a lot of them haven't bullied their way in, as it were.
A lot of them were literally just let him buy our own government.
But we definitely should make sure that we aren't just paying them to be here.
Tony says, hello, my fellow Ethel Stannies.
Hello.
Diversity is our strength.
Sorry, the diversity is our strength, the anti-English narrative, is the radical position.
And the reason why some Zoomers are becoming more radical right.
It's totally true.
Amoth says, people of white Caucasian descent are the global minority.
Less than 10% of the global population, I believe it's 8% of the world, is European origin.
Less than a single tenth.
Yeah.
And so I'm very tired of us being treated like we're some sort of overwhelming majority that basically imposes our will on people all over the world.
I don't think that's what's happening at all.
Paul Pat says Milton Friedman didn't believe in borders.
So, I mean, the Labour Party might pick up a bit of Friedman.
I think he was basically saying you can't have the welfare state and immigration.
It's a famous formula for his feel.
But I mean, he is right, obviously.
And Ryan says, I'd love, you can get Big John on the show.
I'd love to have Big John on the show.
Yeah, more than happy to talk to him.
Because, I mean, like I said, I'm not personally attacking him.
Just think about what's happening.
Anyway, let's go to the video comments.
Yes.
Do not use copyrighted music folks.
About all of this comment?
So for anyone watching 15 Minutes Speed Painting by Sophie, who's painting something.
Too soon to tell.
It's not that the painting's bad or anything.
Well, she's painting Gamanzilla.
Is he killing Harry Potter?
I don't know.
I have the impression that it's Gammonzilla.
I don't think it's meant to be Harry Potter.
Okay.
But if it is, that's kind of based.
Because Harry Potter really is the representative of a kind of 2000s middle-class English person.
And those people are the ones who have led us to this point.
Like the sort of the natural Blairite constituency.
So yeah, base Gamanzilla.
Let's go to the next house Griffindor is responsible.
Yeah, yeah.
Not using food delivery services is absolutely the easiest way to push back.
And you don't need to shame people over it.
Explain it this way.
Just go pick it up yourself.
It's cheaper.
Besides, if you're too tired to cook food or don't have time, then you definitely don't have time and are too tired to defend yourself when you invite an invader to your front door.
What I like about California refugees, he's got that kind of soft Californian accent and sort of quite a soft voice.
And then he comes out with really hard lines.
It's just like based.
Yeah, yeah, very based.
But it's also like, oh, it takes you by surprise.
But yeah, no, absolutely.
I do my best not to ever get takeaways just because they're bad for you.
But anyway, that's Karen.
GB News.
Right in the center.
And then we have.
Pan across to the BBC.
In the corner.
Where they belong.
And then.
Times Radio.
Kind of in the corner.
Also where they belong.
It's a beautiful sight.
Well, good for them.
That's good.
There one more?
Leave this one.
Oh, okay, right.
That Texas gal says, ladies, now is not the time to be scrolling your phone or wearing headphones in public.
Please practice situational awareness and listen to learn, learn to listen to that voice in your gut.
The thing is, like, the Ukrainian girl.
She doesn't have the mental frame of reference for this.
Exactly.
This is not a problem that ever happens in Ukraine.
She doesn't have this community in Ukraine.
And also, just, in some cases, there is little some people can do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Even if, you know, it's not a problem.
When you see the video, he doesn't look like he's dangerous.
Not at all.
He's just looking out the window.
Why would you think anything?
Even if you were like, you know, noticing stuff, you still, in that situation, there's no reason she should have thought that she was in danger.
Kevin says, and meanwhile, in Canada, people are being told they should not defend themselves, their family or their home during an invasion.
Yeah, I should do a video on that at some point because that really, really annoyed me.
There was an incident of a home invasion in Canada, and then, was it the mayor or something, the governor, came out and was like, the easiest thing to do is to comply.
Yeah, just comply.
It's like, yeah, but what if they murder you, bro?
That's the thing.
The idea that you can't defend your home is an absolute obscenity.
That's disgusting.
Samson, we can hear you, by the way, so can you keep it down a little bit, please?
Baron von Moorhawk says, don't defund the police, fund insane asylums.
Yeah, I really mean it.
Like, you know, the whole sort of lib attitude of, oh, well, we can just let them into the reincorporate in society.
It's like, no.
Why would we want to?
You know, if someone's mental and dangerous, why would we want that?
David says, I'm a retired teacher.
The schools are full of mummies who advocate for bad behavior.
Yep.
Maureen says, fun fact, in case you need to raise your blood pressure.
Ah, yes, well, my blood pressure is clearly never high enough.
There was a GoFundMe page set up for DiCarlos Brown, who's the guy who standard.
I haven't seen it myself, but it was taken down because of the backup.
Apparently it raised $50,000 in 30 minutes.
I can't believe that.
I don't know about this one.
It can be the case.
The other one, yeah.
They made several troll-ish accounts and it was fake, but it's not beyond them.
Think of Luigi Magione was the name?
No, no, it was the other guy who killed that white kid.
Yeah, the one who stabbed him in the tent in the football field.
Yep.
He ended up raising half or something.
Unbelievable.
It is there, you know.
So, yeah, I mean, this guy literally just can't.
And that whole community was sort of cheering.
The stabbing.
It's just insane.
Yeah.
Someone online says, never ever take public transport.
Just be aware.
Just make sure that there's no one sat behind you.
How can you do it on public transport?
It's insane.
The requirement of it is just crazy.
Michael says, on the labor reshuffle, Corbyn, borderline moron, who wants to form his own English National Socialist Workers.
Well, no, he wants to form an Islamic National Socialist Workers.
I watched the Your Party event that he had the other day and it was just him and Muslims.
I was just like...
Yeah, that's why he needs Angela Rayner.
What do you think the natural constituency for this is, Jeremy?
Yeah.
But he will chew up Labour's votes.
He will make it more difficult for the Labour Party, which, honestly, good.
Like, I'm in favor of him being like the left-wing Nigel Farage.
Like, yeah, go on, go get all the sort of like, you know, the sort of 20% fringe of the country and suck them up into an unelectable, gross, commo-Islamic mass.
And then we can be done with you forever, frankly.
Jimbo says, I think the labor reshuffle is excellent if your goal is to accelerate the replacement of the English.
Look at those numbers.
Well, I mean, I tweeted the other day.
It's like, look, there was a picture of all the Muslims who are in positions of high power in the country.
It's like, well, if it was a conquest, how would it look different?
That's the thing.
Genuinely.
Sophie says, the EDC of these people, they could just do what the natives want and they will get loyalty and win elections.
But no, they are betting on the people, the non-natives.
It doesn't matter what you do.
If you give them everything they want, they will still never be loyal.
Their goal is to still...
I'm not going to finish that just in case, but...
But yes, indeed.
And this is just one of their problems.
And the thing is, they get what they deserve because England is still 75% English.
Scotland is like 90% Scottish.
Wales is still 90% Welsh.
So, okay, you've got concentrations of foreign communities.
If I get it up on the screen, actually.
You've got concentrations of foreign communities.
And you can get a few dozen, maybe 100, probably not even 100, like 50 non-native MPs.
But look at the rest of it, man.
Like, sorry, all the dark blue.
That's 90 plus percent England.
90 plus percent Wales.
Sorry, what do you think you're doing here, bros?
Like, you know, that's all going to go to Nigel Farage.
The fact that the cities have fallen is a really big problem.
It is, yes.
And it must be reversed.
Yes.
You know, even these areas are still overwhelmingly majority English.
You know, there's a bit of diversity there.
But a lot of this in this area in particular will be the diversity that has made out well from England.
So these are people in well-paying jobs, you know, professionals who themselves are like, okay, I'm going to buy a house that's half a million in this area because I earn 200K a year or something like this.
These are not the inner city diversity.
If diversity was literally just the people living in these areas, no one would really notice or care because it wouldn't be offensive.
It wouldn't be dangerous.
It would just be people who are just getting on with their lives.
But that's not the case.
And everyone can see it.
It's more like this.
So anyway, Jamie says, every person that intends to work in the civil service, run as an MP or even a local council, should work in a category B, prisoner above first, especially segregation.
There are serious issues in these precious British Isles.
I work in a category P, B. Very few current MPs would last a week.
Well, no doubt.
I mean, this is just one of those perennial problems.
Second, good luck in your work.
Yeah, God with you.
Yeah, God with you, yeah.
But the problem of the segregation in the prisons is just going to be something that will never resolve itself while we are a multicultural country.
Yes.
Way forward.
And frankly, the prisons will end up looking like a model for society at large.
I mean, we'll get the Lebanese experience.
Exactly.
It will just be the country will represent what's happening in the prisons.
Kevin says, so now Mahmoud, Mahmoud, no, Shabana.
Oh, yeah, no, Mahmoud's a surname.
So home secretary.
We can safely assume the 600 scholarship students from Gaza and no doubt the 2,000 close relatives will only be the tip of the iceberg.
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, yeah, of course.
And they'll make it in a legal way and say, we've sold illegal immigration.
Here is a few thousand Gazans that we've got for you.
And by the way, some of them might have some training that you might not welcome.
So sort of adding, sprinkling the Gazan military experience over the Islamic population in Britain is a deeply destructive thing.
And it should be focused on a lot more than it's being focused on.
It's being used, oh, the poor Gazans, those things are happening to them.
Horrible things that are happening to Gaza.
This is absolutely true.
That doesn't take away the fact that there are severe consequences to bringing in people from Gaza here.
Literally just that simple.
And you don't have to support Israel to have this opinion.
No.
No.
You know, if you dislike Israel, that's still a very true fact of the matter.
You know, just it is not good for us to have these people here.
Also, there are several videos of lots of Arabs who are telling to Europeans, just stop doing it.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, loads.
Especially Saudi.
Yeah, the Saudis.
The Saudis in the UAE are losing their minds over this because they're worried that it's radicals in Europe are more radical than the ones in the Middle East because the ones who are in the Middle East go to jail.
Yes.
This isn't the early 2000s, 1990s, where they were still funding this stuff and it was fully state-sponsored.
This is a different era for the Middle East, and they're actually locking these people up.
And they know what happens.
I mean, they've got literally the experience of ISIS running rampant.
If you just allow the radicals to coalesce into a body, and ISIS was something like 40,000 people at its peak.
It was never big, and it almost took Baghdad.
They almost took Baghdad.
They genuinely were like conquering territory.
So, yeah, I'm completely with the Arabs when they're like, what are you doing?
There's a reason that none of the Arab countries take Palestinian refugees.
They've had the experience through the 20th century.
Lebanon.
Not just Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt.
Syrians have had to fight their own Palestinian refugees.
Yeah, exactly.
They've all had uprisings against the countries that they've come into.
So I don't really want them here.
Weirdly, I mean, I don't mean to sound like a bigot or anything, but it's just this repeated insurrectionist attitude.
How dare you learn from experience?
Yeah, there's something about that.
Alex says, it's funny how the left has spent decades associating patriotism and racism, only to have it backfire in their social taboos.
Sorry, backfire when their social taboos wane and societal pressure collapses.
And people feel free to be honest and hang flags.
Now they have to trot out Big John to try and recapture patriotism, but left wing.
Yeah, that's basically the issue.
And I don't think, like I said, I don't think John's a bad guy or anything.
I think he doesn't realize what he's being used for.
Yes.
That's, you know, like they are genuinely using you as the house gammon, mate.
You don't, and I wouldn't want that.
Danny says, years ago, the left joked about how Europeans conquered the world through the inventive use of flags.
They took that joke literally and put the gay flags everywhere.
Now everyone's doing it back to them and they lose their minds.
Well, that's the point.
Take them seriously and they say it's a method of intimidation.
So when they're flying their trans flag or their Palestine flag or their Pakistani flag or whatever, they view it as a method of intimidation.
Take them seriously.
Alex says, who spells get geet?
That's a great question.
And I am sympathetic to this.
Are these native English speakers geet?
I've never seen that.
It seems deliberately spelled incorrectly to appear stupid.
Yeah.
If you asked a school teacher how common is it for people to spell get with two E's, they'd probably say that it's extremely unlikely, which suggests something a little bit deliberate.
And it's just whenever you phonetically say get, it's the truncated E sound.
So why would you put a double E?
But anyway, Omar says the House Gammon, House Gammon definitely has a better ring to it than football account.
I bet the 77th Brigade are giving PowerPoint presentations on it as we speak.
Well, the thing is, it's kind of true, isn't it?
It's the House Gammon.
You know, you get to be the hiccup for the replacement of the English people in their own country.
I don't know why you would agree to it.
Hector says everything about that Chinese thing feels like a hoax.
It is really weird.
Because I can't, like, working class communities love Chinese takeaways.
So it's like, why would you?
And I've never heard in all of my life having Chinese takeaways of any problem with, like, you know, social problem with having Chinese takeaways.
I've seen.
I've seen them everywhere.
You know, I've used them everywhere.
Like Big John, I'm kind of associated with Chinese takeaways.
My family loves Chinese takeaways.
Like, so, like, why would you do that to them?
That's a really weird thing.
But anyway, I got no answer.
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So what subject are you actually talking about?
So I'm talking about the 1990s and early 2000s and the expansion of NATO and how this happened.
Oh, really?
So the whole thing about this was an unprovoked conflict, unprovoked conflict, unprovoked.
Guys, come on, let's be honest here.
Everybody knew that it was provoked.
How did you get NATO's borders up to Russia's borders?
It was not a provocation.
I've heard that.
I've heard that.
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