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	Who are the men that pick for scraps amongst the ruins at the end of history?
	You should know because you encounter them every day.
	Between the towering buildings of a fallen empire, we find the Felahen, the historyless men, who know nothing of the turning of the cosmic wheel and find themselves outside of civilization itself.
	Cut loose from the great chain of being, they represent the loan into which our dying culture will return.
	That is, unless we choose to take up the burden once again.
	This Felahen condition is a is the subject we explore in issue four of Islander magazine on sale while stocks last and available worldwide at shop dot loadseaters dot com Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast of the Load Seaters for Monday the 18th of August 2025.
	I'm joined by Stelios and Charlie Downs.
	That's coming in Charlie, how are you?
	Great to be here as always, I'm very well.
	Yourself?
	Very, very well.
	Warm, for some reason today.
	It's not even warm outside.
	It actually cooled off.
	Yeah, I know, it's really quite cool and yet I'm personally feeling very hot.
	How are you doing, Stelios?
	I'm really well.
	Yeah.
	Should we start?
	Well, we will in a minute because we're going to be talking about how Ricky Jones got away with it, which of course he did of course he did if you're a labour counsellor you can call for people to have their throats slit and that'd be fine if you're a right wing don't say anything on the internet how an illegal immigrant in America killed three people and didn't care just had no impact on him at all sleep like a baby that night unfortunately and how generation Z is resurrecting God much to uh well I mean obviously this is Nietzsche's gonna be very happy about this this
	is always the thing everyone think oh Nietzsche was in favor of the death of God no it was a tragedy it was a terrible thing that happened but apparently they're going back to church which is nice and needs to be done anyway right let's begin so last week we encountered a very bad verdict.
	I would say it's a very nonsensical and unjust verdict according to which Labour counsellor Ricky Jones was found not guilty.
	So basically he got away with it.
	Now, who was and who is Labour counsellor Ricky Jones?
	About a year ago, he was in a counter protest in Walthamstow where he was speaking against the riots as well as other protests about the Southport murders.
	Yeah, this was directly in the wake of the Southport riots.
	Exactly.
	Very high tension, very.
	And this was the counterprocess, as you can see, being funded, at least in part, by the Socialist Workers' Party.
	Exactly.
	And he was a Labour counselor in Dartford in Kent.
	He went there to this counterprotest in Walthamstow.
	I think it's the north, towards the north of London.
	And he led this chant, before he led the Free Free Palestine chant, which doesn't seem to me particularly pertinent to the Southport murders.
	It seemed to me to be unrelated.
	Well, it's an omni course thing, isn't it?
	Like it's just when everything is just packaged together.
	It's everything, just everything at one.
	They're probably calling for climate justice immediately afterwards.
	Yes, exactly.
	And Amnesty International there, this lady there was cheering.
	So before he led the Free Free Palestine chant, he essentially incited people to violence.
	And we are going to play this.
	If that's not incitement to violence, I don't know what is.
	This seems to be an exhortation.
	to engage in violent acts and we're going to play this for YouTube purposes obviously I'm going to say I'm not in favor of it but let's play it to cut off their throats and get rid of them all.
	I just want to say thank you all for the leaving now.
	Free, free, Palestine!
	Thank you, God bless you.
	That's the one finger as well.
	Yeah.
	In the, you know, pointing to the throat and.
	Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, this whole thing.
	Like, I saw the BBC coverage where they're like, well, he drew his thumb across the throat.
	And it's like, but he did also say, yeah.
	We need to cut the throats of this fascist and throw them out.
	By the way, it does say on that placard there, that professionally produced printed placard.
	It says Socialist Workers Party.
	It says smash smash fascism and racism by any means necessary.
	And so they are telling you who they are, and those means are violence.
	Yeah, I mean, I personally enjoyed the little white women who are just like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We'll see.
	You saw that woman, like directly on his right, she did go a bit like, Oh yeah.
	And then it said to cut the throat.
	And then she was like, Yeah.
	She was elated.
	Yeah.
	It's all a bit of fun for these.
	It was a religious experience for them.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, I don't know how that's not incitement.
	Like, we need to cut the throats of these people and throw them out.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, I mean, I would consider that inciting.
	I've never called for cutting the throats of anyone.
	I would think that was inciting if I was.
	But he got away with it.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Can we talk about the omnicorse very quickly, if we can go back a second?
	Just because I find this to be one of the really interesting things, how they happen to be on the same team for absolutely everything.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you can see here, socialist workers smash fascism, racism, by any means necessary, free free Palestine, and then I know what their opinions are on climate change.
	Abortion.
	Abortion, veganism, you know, I know what their opinions are on everything, because notice that their entire worldview is anti the West.
	And I mean that, like genuinely, like all of the pillars that make the West strong, as in, you know, the economy.
	Uh, you know, uh, free speech, uh, political rights, uh, you know, anything that we consider natural and normal to a healthy society, they're completely against.
	Yeah.
	But when you look at, you look at the makeup of this crowd, look at the faces around this Ricky Jones character, and it's all, you know, from the look of it, middle class white people.
	Yeah.
	Because Walthamstow, I've spent some time in Walthamstow, and it's one of those areas of London that is very, at once very diverse, and you have, like, you know, halal butchers and Eritrean fast food shops, and then you have, like, hyper liberal white people.
	And also let's not forget that when he's talking about Nazi fascists, he's talking about people who disagree with all these demands because we know that the establishment is using these words very liberally.
	They're doing it to even describe policies they were advocating five, ten years ago.
	Maybe ten, fifteen.
	Right.
	So we have this article here from the BBC.
	He said that he spoke in the heat of the moment.
	I mean.
	Like the song goes.
	It was the heat of the moment.
	I guess he did.
	He was in the middle of trying to encourage a crowd to go and cut the throats of fascists.
	Right.
	It's the heat of the moment.
	He was suspended by the Labour Party the day after the alleged incident.
	Look at this frame.
	Even the BBC, a Labour councillor who called for far right protesters' throats to be cut.
	So we're just conceding that there definitely are far right protesters, right?
	Yeah.
	But we're also conceding that he definitely did it.
	Yeah.
	Well, quite, yeah.
	Right.
	So he pleaded not guilty.
	Now, as far as I'm concerned, if I have this video, if I'm watching this video, and someone pleads not guilty, that's even, that's a reason on its own to increase their punishment and their sentence.
	It's not a reason to let them away.
	A lie.
	Because it means that there is zero remorse.
	There's zero remorse.
	Right.
	So what they did also was that he said that the comments were made in the heat of the moment.
	He denied encouraging violence, violent demonstrations I mean, the party asks you to disbelieve your own eyes.
	Yeah, of course.
	So it's got a different interpretation of what cutting throats means.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, maybe, I don't know, while we were talking.
	But also curious how it was an isolated incident.
	Oh, yeah.
	So it wasn't an indication of anything such as far leftist extremism, such as they would be in other cases where any mild criticism of the establishment is immediately credited or blamed upon a far right epidemic.
	That was neurodivergent challenges.
	Oh, wow.
	He's mentally impaired.
	Yeah.
	Then how exactly can he be expected to be a counselor or anything like this?
	Always makes me laugh this, by the way, because like what they're basically saying there is like, Oh, no, don't worry.
	It's fine that he called for people's throats to be cut because he's insane.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, no.
	But this is an excuse they use constantly when it's some migrant who commits a terrible crime.
	So, Oh, he can't be sent to jail.
	Why?
	Because he's mental.
	Yeah.
	It's like, Well, why is he on the streets?
	Yeah.
	Because we don't have any asylums anymore.
	That's why.
	Bye, off you go.
	Yeah, well, that's how we have cars and knives with mental illnesses across.
	I think that gives a new meaning to the term asylum.
	So I'll say here, the agreed facts read by mister Holt, who was the prosecutor, stated the expert.
	The experts agree that these challenges may contribute to impulsive verbal responses in emotionally charged situations.
	If I'm ever in court, I'm going to use this as my defense.
	I suffer from a number of neurodivergent challenges.
	I'm autistic.
	And this contributes to impulsive verbal responses when I'm in emotionally charged situations, like being on trial.
	But also, you need to say to add something to it.
	Something that you need to add is that these challenges can impair his ability to plan responses and inhibit inappropriate remarks.
	So you're never guilty of hate speech.
	Okay, that's all I'm going to say is why did the crowd just cheer?
	Yeah.
	You know, if they were, why weren't they like, Oh, right.
	This guy's mental.
	He's got he's genuinely insane.
	Yeah.
	And this is just an emotionally charged situation where he's making inappropriate remarks.
	No, they were all like, Yeah, bravo.
	We do need to do that.
	Right.
	It's it's so unbelievable in the context of the thing.
	And is there no reasons?
	I mean, my attitude.
	Yeah, I got it.
	And it's over determination.
	You could it would still be the same outcome if one, either of them was absent.
	It's one is they agree with it.
	The other is they're they're literally programmed to be tribal.
	Mm hmm.
	But sorry.
	Well, I was just going to say, I mean, I don't know what the legal landscape is in terms of this sort of area, but all of those people's faceses are on video, cheering and cheering on calls for violence.
	Is there any sort of legal proceedings that could be brought against them?
	No, apparently not.
	Right, so there are rumors about how long the court case lasted, how long the jury trial lasted, that range from between seven and thirty minutes.
	Now, he was given the following legal advice.
	Plead not guilty.
	Why?
	Because the whole thing was supposed to establish whether there was the criminal intent, what is called in Latin mens rea, according to which it has to be present in order for someone to be pronounced guilty.
	for a verdict to say that this person is guilty.
	And essentially they said that we're going to have a jury trial.
	We're going to have 12 jurors that are going to be selected randomly.
	Yes, randomly from his local community.
	I know.
	That's what it says, that jurors are supposed to be chosen randomly.
	And it lasted around 7 to 30 minutes.
	That's what the reports are saying.
	And...
	imagine that seven minutes yeah I mean to be fair it is pretty cut and dry well yeah I mean if it was a conviction then yeah it would have been have been cut and dry.
	But after seven minutes, I'm like, no, he's not guilty.
	It's like, really, really okay.
	Also, there have been extra rumours going around about the, let's say, the diverse nature of the jurors.
	They haven't been confirmed yet, that's why I'm not going to show anything.
	But there have been concerns about who was part of the jury.
	I have seen people saying that something like half the jury was diverse.
	Yes.
	Dartford is a very diverse place.
	Well, I was going to say, yeah, it is a very diverse place, so it would probably be virtually impossible not to have a diverse jury.
	And that then leads on to further questions of okay, what does a jury of my peers actually mean in a multicultural society?
	Because I mean, like, if this was in Lebanon or something, and you got a jury full of people of a different religion than you, if you were say, like, for us, Druze or Christian, and you got a jury of Muslims, you'd be like, well, these aren't my peers.
	And I don't really consider there to be a collective we between us and the diversity.
	So, are they my peers?
	And I saw Lawrence Fox posting about this quite, quite hard actually.
	It's like, look, basically, we've got a right to have a jury of white men.
	And it's like, well, kind of, yeah.
	Like, you know, if there's going to be this kind of post-liberal ethnic voting bloc politics, that's what it will end up having to come down to.
	I have to say that the institution of jury trial is an important one, and I'm going to abstain from denying it.
	I know.
	I want to add another bit to the mix.
	But I just want to be clear.
	Like, the assumption that underpins a jury trial is that these people don't have an intrinsic ethnic animus against you.
	That's the assumption.
	Yeah, yeah, preference voice.
	That's likely what part of this.
	The issue with a jury trial is that you're appealing to, in a sense, your people.
	Because your people have your culture and they can judge better whether what you're doing in your own culture constitutes an offense or not.
	And if it is, to what extent, what's the degree of your culpability, which poses several problems for multicultural random jury picking because you don't know what culture they are from and you don't know to what extent they are sharing your common values.
	And even now, British culture is still a lot more genteel than many of the cultures these people are coming from.
	And so calling for people's throats to be slit, well, that might be quite normal in, you know, Uganda or wherever, you know, but it's not normal here.
	Yeah.
	Well, I've had this conversation with my good friend and colleague Harrison Pitt in the past about how in a diverse society, well, essentially the ethnic and the racial precedes the political, right?
	And the political can only really take place in an ethnically homogeneous society.
	Because when you have an ethnically diverse society, what politics becomes I wouldn't say the political precedes it, because no, the political is always going to happen.
	It's the character of the political.
	That's about saying it.
	That's the.
	Yeah, that's what we're dealing with here.
	You imagine this jury, you imagine an England that is, you know, super majority English, right?
	95 plus percent.
	In that sort of situation.
	situation, the ethnic ingroup preference of the English for an English perpetrator or accused doesn't wouldn't really come through because everyone is English.
	Whereas in a diverse society, like in this situation, for example, the ethnic preference of the jurors for the, you know, for the accused may come through in their decision.
	It likely has done given this.
	I mean, the best example of this is the OJ Simpson trial.
	Like, sorry, some of the jurors came out years after the event and said, yeah, no, I voted for acquittal because he was black.
	Yeah.
	It's literally that simple.
	And the thing is, like, we don't understand the, just how clannish, like, foreign cultures are.
	Like, I had a Greek friend, and not you, Stelios, but I had a Greek friend who I was having a conversation with him a few years ago.
	I was like, look, if your cousin stole a car, would you tell the police?
	And he was like, no.
	And I was like, right, there we go.
	That's why we have the culture we have and you guys don't.
	Sorry, it's just that simple.
	We are very particular about this sort of thing and we, our clan is the entire country, is basically what it comes down to.
	And your clan is absolutely not.
	Your clan is a very small group of people that look out for each other.
	So it's like, look, man, we've got a bunch of people here who are just not fit for a jury trial.
	That's the point.
	I mean, that's the character our politics has now.
	And it perverts the course of the country.
	It's just moving into this mold.
	And also because we're talking about a multicultural society that imports millions of people from outside, when you're importing people from the entire world, you're also importing the conflicts of the world.
	So it seems like in this case, the conflicts of the world that have nothing to do with Britain post Southport riots and demonstration in August 2024 when this exhortation and incitement to violence took place, it seems like they played a part in the jury decision.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like politically, it's going to be selff evident that that area is going to be highly labour centric.
	They're going to have a certain political bias because these are the client groups that Labour not only brought in but have been cultivating with donations, with handouts.
	And so, okay, so you've got a Labour counselor who is yelling free free Palestine, kill all the fascists.
	If you've got a bunch of diehard Labour voting people on the jury, well, I mean, obviously I support him.
	Obviously I don't think he's guilty.
	I mean, why wouldn't I think that?
	Right, so we have this article here from GOV UK understanding the jury process, and I'm not going to read all of it, but what I want to focus on is the last bit, a fairer society.
	The role of jury trials remains integral to the justice system and reflects a commitment to fairness and accountability that dates back centuries.
	As if this is just universal, this is baked into the fabric of the universe and not the direct product of the English experience of political life.
	The core principle remains a diverse group of individuals randomly selected coming together to consider evidence and reach a verdict.
	So if you receive a summons through the post, you're not merely fulfilling an obligation, it's an opportunity to contribute to the collective pursuit of justice and ensure a fair society for all.
	To be fair, right?
	In an ethnically homogeneous society, you do want a diverse jury.
	You do want a mask guy, you want a butcher, you want a hedge fund manager, you want that kind of thing.
	You want it to be a random sampling of the population, but the problem is like the collective pursuit of justice and a fair society for all means different things to different kinds of people.
	If the collective pursuit of justice means the black guy always gets off because I am black, then we just don't have the same standard and we can't operate in the same way.
	We are never going to agree on this.
	Right, and there has been a debate about whether this was a case of two tier justice.
	My view, let me just tell you in a nutshell, it absolutely is a case of two tier justice.
	Now let me give you some.
	examples of people who disagree with it.
	One is Jacob Rhys Mogg who says this is self evidently not an example of two tier justice as this counselor was cleared by a jury.
	Oh holy jury.
	Lucy Connolly offered a guilty plea, so did not have a jury trial, although she probably could have done had she pleaded not guilty.
	Now, this is totally mistaken and misleading.
	Number one, Lucy Connolly is not the only person who has been prosecuted for this.
	So just by Jacob Rhys Mogg showing that there have been differences between Connolly's case and Ricky Jones' case, it's not enough to show and infer from this that this wasn't a two tier justice.
	This is sorry, just this sophism.
	This is not our way of putting it.
	This is misleading reasoning.
	But so many conservatives of a certain age, they do have this faith, this unshakable faith in process and institution, which is totally outdated.
	I will say, so just the thing, but that's the thing, isn't it?
	When Jacob Breeze Morg was young, the country was 95% English.
	And so he could look at the idea of the jury trial and go, no, this is actually a great English institution that we can put faith in because the general Englishman, the average Englishman, in his day was a very level headed, sensiblesible chap who didn't particularly have a bias one way or another about you.
	I mean, even back, like, twenty years ago, people were just not as political in the way they are now.
	They weren't as connected as they are now.
	You know, you can reasonably assume that the guy didn't know that much about politics, right?
	So he was like, Okay, well, what did he do?
	What were the behaviors that informed him, right?
	And so this central board is clear by a jury, as if the jury itself is beyond reproach.
	Yes.
	I'm sorry, that's just not the case.
	But, moreover, the advice that these two different people were given would have been of different nature because of the kinds of things that they were engaged in.
	A Labour councillor, oh well, you know, protest, plead not guilty, blah, blah, blah.
	Lucy Connolly probably had no interaction with the courts up until this point.
	Advised by a state appointed solicitor, just plead guilty and you'll get a light sentence.
	Pleaded guilty got the absolute hammering.
	Whereas there was the Welsh former Marine, I think it was, who was like, I'm not guilty and I'm not pleading guilty.
	And he got off.
	Because jury of his peers from Wales, incidentally, were like, well, obviously that's not an incitement to.
	But that's, I mean, this is the flaw in, I mean, among many, in this mindset, which is you plug into that, the idea that Englishness is an idea or a costume that anyone from anywhere can put on.
	And yes, jury, you know, it is beyond reproach.
	It still works.
	And this is therefore not an example of two tier justice, which is.
	I'm sure if this was in Devon, then yeah, it'd be fine.
	I would I would agree with you, Jacob Small.
	Yeah.
	Your ass had the top comment.
	Oh yeah.
	The top replies.
	He says Connolly wasn't allowed bail, was pressured into a guilty verdict, including by her solicitor, had an expedited trial and faced stiffer charges.
	Her devastating extenuating circumstances were ignored.
	Jones claimed he was too daft not to know that calling to cut people's throats was wrong, and this was accepted by the judge and jury.
	He faced none of the pressures applied to Connolly.
	The difference in their treatment is a direct result of their race and political affiliations.
	I want to say to to Charlie what you said before, I don't think a focus on process is outdated and it won't be outdated.
	What is interesting here is also that there is a persistent attempt by people like Jacob Rissmogg and some other people to hide behind legalisms, and that ignores not the process side of justice, but the substantive bit of it.
	Sure.
	Which has to do with the Well, it's kind of like a wet blanket for conservatives, right?
	Yeah.
	Like they kind of, oh, this is a really thorny issue, but oh, thank God the jury have decided.
	Therefore, I don't need to think about this in any way.
	It's just people who want to get out.
	Exactly, because you are right, the process is genuinely important, but it's not infallible.
	Look at how the left is talking when they are talking about jury decisions when they are in trouble.
	They always say, well, it may be just on the individual level, but it's not just as far as...
	But there's also the other bit that people like Chris Mogg and his people who agree with him on this, they're constantly trying to say that these two cases are different, which is it's absolutely misleading.
	Of course they are different.
	They're different.
	Every case from a legal.
	perspective is somewhat different.
	But there are other differences as well that needed to be taken into account, such as Ricky Jones didn't end his incitement to violence with for all I care.
	Yeah.
	Like the thing is there's one difference.
	Lucy Coney made a Facebook post, wasn't it?
	It probably was seen by like a dozen people.
	Like there was probably hardly anyone that saw it, and then she deleted it shortly afterwards.
	We can see the people that Ricky Jones was inciting.
	They were cheering.
	They were being incited by him.
	So it is very different.
	His is clearly far worse.
	It is far worse.
	I think people did see a post.
	He actually posted before he posted.
	She called the post before she Yeah, she did.
	People did see her.
	I'm sure some, a small number of people will have seen it, but you don't, you can't prove that anyone was incited by that because you don't know who saw it.
	You don't know what they were thinking when they saw it or anything like that.
	But with Ricky Jones, we've got the video.
	We saw him.
	Exactly.
	His rhetoric is far worse.
	His rhetoric is far worse.
	The consequences of his rhetoric are worse.
	We saw them cheering for it.
	Everyone who saw Lucy Connolly's post could have been like, No, that's wrong, Lucy.
	How dare you?
	You don't know anything about their responses, but we know the responses from his.
	Yes, and we have this from Prospect magazine, understanding the Lucy Connolly sentence.
	As they're saying, Connolly was arrested twice and interviewed and was charged under Section 19, Clause 1 of the Public Order Act 1999.
	That was a tweet, I thought it was a Facebook.
	Which provides a person who publishes or distributes written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if they intend thereby steer up racial hatred or having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be steered up thereby.
	She was sentenced on the grounds of a forward looking consideration, which is the political decision to send the message across that this is harmful and we're not going to take it the same consideration didn't apply on his case it wasn't the the jurors didn't appeal to that consideration they appealed to a completely backwards looking consideration such as what was his state when he did it and
	not only appeal to a backwards looking because sometimes I'm also in favor of retributive justice very much in favor of retributive justice but they inverted it right and they they started focusing on how to be soft on this person and how to focus on mitigating factors that absorb him or diminish his moral culpability and allegedly established that he had no criminal intent.
	It's crazy well because he's a Labour counselor, so he is a political agent.
	He holds an elected office.
	I mean, I would have thought that would come, I mean, if the charisma of the office is anything to go by.
	Lucy Conley was just a person posting on Twitter, right?
	She wasn't elected to anything.
	She doesn't have anyone who looks up to her with respect or with any kind of authority, whereas he does.
	So shouldn't he be, shouldn't that be a mitigating factor?
	And no one mentioned of stressful conditions and impulsive behavior that could, under circumstances, be seen as speaking in the heatat of the moment as they have been saying for him.
	So he got away with it.
	Of course he did.
	Dragon Lady Chris says hello again Charlie.
	Since Luka has officially joined the Alliance, you've been promoted to the number one spot on my favorite guests.
	Congratulations.
	Well, there we go.
	A jury of twelve randomly hand picked left wing activists.
	The thing is, you don't even need left wing activists to be hand picked.
	You can just randomly pick from a selection of diverse people who weren't in the country five years ago, and well, you get the results you get.
	The term neurodivergence seems to describe people who have never heard of the snap of dad's belt as a child.
	Now, the thing is, right.
	This guy obviously knew what he was doing and he obviously was just like, Right, okay, how can I get out of this?
	And the lawyer was like, well, if you claim that you're basically mental, they'll let you out because they're going to be assaulted.
	I do have to bring it up again.
	It's just so mad that the response to someone being mentally unwell and calling for violence as happened in this case, the response is to let them off free.
	Yeah.
	As if that doesn't make them more of a threat.
	We do this all the time with people who actually do physical harm to others.
	And they go, Oh, well, he's from Somalia, so what do you expect?
	Yeah.
	And it's like, Well, I mean, we send him back.
	I mean, why is he still here?
	It's like, no, we're going to say he did nothing wrong, just let him off, community order or something, and then he's just free to keep on wandering around..
	Yeah.
	It's mental.
	Logan says, I'd like to imagine the Dark Lord pulling his hair at the obvious scapegoat being thrown away.
	He must have given Kirstam a neath.
	I think that rumours of the Dark Lord's ability to control the Labour government are vastly devastating.
	Anyway, right.
	So, illegal immigrants.
	They're actually generally quite dangerous to have in your country, for lots of different reasons.
	The first being, you don't know who they are.
	So, you don't know what their prior criminal record is.
	And if you're someone who has been either alleged or convicted of a crime in a foreign country, it's entir only one reason that you would come to Britain or indeed the USA illegally when it's so easy, as in the case of our country, to come legally, and that's because you don't want your name on the books.
	That's because you don't want the authorities knowing who you are.
	Yeah, you don't want to pay taxes.
	You don't want them to be able to come and get you if you're accused of a crime.
	You want to operate in the dark.
	Yeah.
	And I'm sorry.
	To have special treatment in some cases.
	You could have a live a luxury life in hotels.
	Yeah, but in a.
	paid by taxpayers.
	In the case of Britain and in some parts of America, you can indeed get a kind of luxury life paid for by the taxpayers.
	But the point is you're doing it because you fundamentally do not respect the country or the people in the country.
	And what you are doing, therefore, and this is in every single case, is you are coming to take advantage of those people.
	And taking advantage of those people indicates a certain kind of mindset.
	It indicates that actually you don't really care about those people.
	You don't really care about the standards, the country, the mindset, the work of generations that went into building it up.
	And you are there thinking, right, okay, I'm going to get as much as I can out of this while I can.
	And then when something goes terribly wrong, we can see that they don't care.
	Now, we've got loads of examples in Britain.
	We're going to talk about an example in America.
	But we've got loads of examples in Britain of migrants in hotels who are just just taking the piss completely just constantly pouring scorn on the British who are currently protesting everywhere about this but this is an example from the United States where and I'm gonna play it because you can't see anything terrible thankfully but but this is an accident caused by an illegal immigrant So for anyone listening,
	not watching, so this truck driver decides in the middle of a motorway with a giant lorry that he's driving, he's going to try and do, I don't know, a three-point turn.
	And so obviously his gargantuan truckck just turns to block the entire sort of three lanes, four lanes, however many it is.
	We can see it there.
	So there's nowhere else for cars to go.
	Now, if you're speeding down there at like seventy miles an hour or whatever it is, actually it's quite difficult to slow that down enough and a car smashed straight into it and three people died.
	And that's terrible, absolutely terrible.
	Now, people couldn't help but notice that this guy directly after the crash had absolutely no emotion on his face whatsoever.
	Didn't seem to care in the slightest.
	This seemed to him just to be an incredible.
	Oh dear, that's a shame.
	This is generally something that I personally don't care that much about.
	Like no remorse, no like shock.
	And it's like, okay, well, this is the problem, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I mean, the thing is, I mean, I don't know what the law is in America, but in Britain, if you have a driving license from a foreign country, you are allowed to come here and just drive.
	And I think you have to have a learner plate on your car.
	But I mean, still, that's insane.
	Like the idea that countries where there is zero driving license infrastructure, where there's no real process or standard, and this is the outcome of of that.
	This is what happens.
	I mean, I should have got some videos of people driving in India for this segment, actually, because obviously his name's Hajinda Singh, so he's legal and he is an illegal immigrant from India as you can see in this he is listed he has entered the United States legally but the thing is he doesn't have an Indian driving license what he has is a commercial driver's license from the state of California so the Californians were like yeah this illegal immigrant from India can just have a commercial driving license
	why not I mean I don't even know that he's got a normal driving license in America there's no evidence to suggest that he does and so yeah like you were saying if anyone's ever seen the roads in India and there are like the Indian traffic accidents.
	Again, I should have got the data up for this actually, but I've looked at it before.
	It is something like a hundred times more than Britain.
	It is insane.
	And for some reason, this guy just, I mean, just, it's just crazy how you can be like, no, I don't care about anyone else around me.
	I've decided I'm going the wrong way down the motorway.
	I'm not going to wait until the next, you know, junction or wherever.
	I'm just going to turn around here.
	Like, what is the thought process?
	Oh, certainly demonstrates a lack of understanding of cause and effect.
	Demonstrates a lack of impulse control.
	Demonstrates.
	a lack of consideration for anyone else.
	That's the thing.
	It's like, well, I'm driving a giant truck.
	It probably's going to be fine for me.
	But again, we assume that people from other countries have the same sort of standards of consideration for the people around them that we do.
	And we know that there are countries in which they simply don't.
	And you know something else?
	I mean, there will be people who will have reacted to this story and said, well, you know, white or, you know, naturalized citizen truck drivers kill people all the time.
	And it's like, yeah.
	But as is always the case when it's a migrant, especially egregious in the case of an illegal migrant, it's a decision taken by the government directly that has led to the death of these people.
	You know, that wouldn't have happened if the person wasn't here, but you're only here because of lax policies.
	Yeah.
	And obviously you had people trying to politicize this.
	complaining, being like, oh, well, you know, isn't this Donald Trump's fault?
	It's like, well, no, Trump's been the most anti-illegal immigrant president ever.
	And of course, it's California that gets to decide this, as Grock pointed out.
	This absolutely was illegal, frankly, because it says, Title 13, Section 26.01 requires lawful presence to get the CDL.
	So he was given it irrespective of the fact that he was illegal.
	So he shouldn't have been here, he shouldn't have had the license, and of course, you're not allowed to just employ illegal immigrants, are you?
	As truck drivers.
	Just imagine the times we're living.
	You're not allowed to be here, but you're allowed to drive here.
	Not just allowed to drive, you're allowed to drive some sort of 30-ton truck, and that's caused three people to be killed.
	In fact, we've got a news report here from the Times of India, which is actually surprisingly detailed.
	So the fatal collision unfolded around 3 p.m. on Tuesday, near Fort Pears, when Singh attempted to cut across a highway through an official use medium pass.
	And this is another thing that was just like, look.
	Look, these signs are not advisory, right?
	actually mean something and they're there for a reason and you've just found out why these signs are there.
	So no I just saw the video with a car just literally Because he's traveling down a motorway because you don't expect the motorway to be blocked.
	Yeah, quite so.
	Honestly, it's the first time I'm hearing about it.
	It just makes me very sad.
	Yeah, no, it's terrible.
	people died in that crash um so he decided that actually the official use only sign applied to other people presumably legal citizens with licenses that they were actually legally allowed to have and since he didn't have that and he wasn't a legal citizen this wasn't his problem again the total lack of concern on his face is just what is most remarkable and worth remembering that they there's no reason for him to be concerned because it's not his people in the
	car right people he knows he's not gonna have any connections to to the people in the car because how could he possibly so Oh, well, a car's just crashed in the way.
	Well, I mean, that's going to be inconvenient.
	Yeah, that's going to be an inconvenience for me, isn't it?
	Photos from the machine scene showed the van torn apart, its roof peeled back its content scattered across the highway emergency crews used hydraulic jacks to lift the trailer and recover the victims while Singh was seen standing nearby with the black expression which again just I mean sorry mate I'm sorry that you can't feel any compassion for the people you just killed but man I am so not happy with the way that this has gone and this is it's just one incident but it there are so
	many failures of society that have led up to this point why was this illegal in the country why was he given a drug license why was he employed by a truck company to do this why did he feel it was you know okay for him to take that turn exactly what why did he feel that he didn't have to follow the rules like how immune to prosecution do you have to feel to have committed all of these crimes and then be like oh this is official use enough like i don't i don't need to worry about that you know that sign that regulation like you have to feel that the rules just do not
	apply to to you to get this far down I wouldn't be in someone else's country illegally to start with let alone apply for licenses and work that I wasn't supposed to be doing but anyway what do I know anyway so they carry on All right, because it just gets worse, right?
	So two passengers in the minivan died instantly, but the driver was pulled alive from the wreck, but succumbed to his injuries at the local hospital.
	Authorities identify the victims as a 337-year-old woman, a 30-year-old man, and a 54-year-old man, all from Florida, because it has happened in Florida.
	Investigators said Singh, who carried a California Commercial Driving License, had been in the US legally since crossing the Mexican border in 2018.
	Immigration and Customs Enforcement had issued a detainer to him, according to CBS twelve.
	If convicted of homicide, he faces time in prison in Florida before deportation.
	And that's the thing, right?
	He's murdered three people.
	He's killed three people.
	Like, I'm sorry, deportation is not sufficient punishment for this.
	And also, like, it's, so this happened in Florida, but he got his license from California.
	So it's not even like the people who possibly in theory voted for this kind of politics to govern their state are the victims of those policies.
	It's people who generally vote against those kinds of policies.
	And in this, we can see how the Democrats can continue destroying America even without having control of the state.
	Florida obviously being governed very well by Ron DeSantis, very right wing, very Republican, but that doesn't help if California can just rub a stamp HGV licenses for illegals coming across the border.
	If they can just do that, again, all of it's illegal, but there's going to be no comeuppance for anyone.
	Like a bunch of people should, okay, well, who issued his license?
	Who for, you know, who allowed this to happen?
	Who's at the company who hired him?
	Prison?
	Prison, prison, prison.
	Heads must roll for all this, and yet nothing's going to happen.
	And now three Floridians are dead, despite the fact that they probably never wanted this to happen.
	Like they didn't want him in the country.
	They probably voted in the direction they thought would go against it, and yet this has still done this to them.
	So yeah, it's like this is all terrible.
	Three people lost their lives because of his recklessness, and countless friends and family members will experience the pain of their loss forever, says the Executive Director of the Florida Department of Highway Safety.
	Again, that person has no authority to rescind this guy's license.
	Like what can he do if California is prepared to just rubber stamp licenses for illegals?
	So did you want to say something?
	No, I'm just reading a of what it says there, he's executing an illegal U turn.
	Just because the rules were made with a truck, with a huge truck.
	Yeah.
	This is the danger of employing illegals to do anything.
	They already think the rules don't apply to them.
	So why wouldn't they think other rules don't apply to them?
	Why would they?
	Because I follow rules, like rules of the road, rules of whatever it is, because I know this has an effect to the people around me.
	This is the thing.
	I mean, there are Democrats, certainly in the US, who you don't hear it so much nowadays, but AOC, Ilhan Omar and others who would use the phrase no human being is illegal.
	And it's like, okay, that's a buzzword, slogan, whatever.
	But actually, illegal behavior points to a you know it points to it points to a personality right it points to character that's exactly right so actually this guy was an illegal who doing illegal things not only because he's somebody who doesn't care about legality not only and to add to this you there's a range of behaviors between the very combative ones and the reconciliatory ones you need to have civilization you need to have the overwhelming majority of people displaying reconciliatory behaviors it's the ability to
	you know to go your own way go separate ways when there are minor friction when you have people who routinely violate the law they They show that basically I don't care about anyone around me.
	So they're going to be very combative and we see this on a daily basis.
	Well, they can get people killed, can't they?
	And so this is the real problem with just having illegals at large in your country.
	They don't follow the rules.
	If you think the rules are there for a good reason, which most of them actually are, I mean, I know a lot of them are nonsense, but those things are generally not things that most people engage with on a daily basis.
	When it comes to road laws, I mean, exactly.
	Exactly.
	Don't perform a U-turn on a business.
	It's a matter of life and death.
	Exactly.
	It's a matter of life and death.
	And also, that's also the same thing in policing.
	You are supposed to protect the public and the common good.
	You're not there to oversee racial relations.
	No.
	I would do that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And that's the thing.
	It's more important.
	We always talk about, like, you know, from a right-wing perspective, deregulation.
	It's like, yeah, okay, yeah.
	I agree that deregulation of, like, you know, in various, like, corporate areas, that's important.
	But this is not the kind of rules that people engage with on a day-to-day basis, like, you know, which side of the road you're supposed to drive on and things like this.
	This is done for people's safety.
	And this is precisely the point that I'm making here is that actually the illegals are a general threat to safety.
	Yeah.
	By the way, just to lighten things slightly, I mean, back in the day, you'd hear libertarians always arguing that driving licenses are like, well, overstepping, you know, overstepping the mark of the role of the law.
	the mark of the role of the state and infringing on one's individual liberty.
	And it's just like nonsense.
	Yeah, no, no, you're absolutely right.
	So anyway, yeah, he's likely to get deported, unfortunately.
	Because again, I don't, the White House spokesman Abigail Jackson says this is a devastating tragedy made worse by the fact that it was totally preventable.
	Illegal aliens have no right to be in the country, certainly should not be granted a commercial driver's license.
	Yes, but who are you going to punish for this?
	Heads have to roll.
	While operating the semi-truck, he jackknife, blah, blah, blah.
	And the thing is, this probably isn't even the first time he's done this, right?
	So this is from 2021 that you can see that the state of Arkansas had what they consider a historic bridge because the bridge was 80 years old.
	But that same guy.
	It's the same guy.
	It's the same guy.
	Driving a truck.
	The rules didn't apply to him, right?
	So Arkansas filed a lawsuit against truck driver Harinja Sin in Bakersfield, California based trucking company, US Citylink Corp.
	So it seems to be the same guy.
	Same guy doing the same job.
	Leftist equality of opportunity.
	He wants to be a driver.
	Maybe he needs to be given with all the social benefits.
	Maybe.
	Make him a driver because it's good for his social, his self esteem.
	Yeah, but the thing is, right, the suit was for pressing for funds to repair damage caused by Singh, but they also want punitive damages because he reportedly hauled a load of processed chicken to Danville when his GPS device led him to the Dale Bend Bridge.
	There were signs posted at the bridge warning the driver about the six tonne weight limit, but Singh attempted to cross the bridge anyway with his 38 ton truck.
	So again, the signage is not arbitrary and if you ignore it, bad things happen.
	It's there for your own good and for the good of others.
	It is not, it is not.
	I have to say, the closest I've come to this is, and everyone I think everyone will have done this, it's a relatable experience, you'll be driving some somewhere, maybe you're running a little late, and you'll come to a road that your SAT nav has taken you down, and it says road ahead closed.
	And you kind of think, well, maybe it's not.
	How close?
	And I'll just, yeah, and I'll go ahead.
	Yeah.
	A guideline.
	Yeah.
	And then, lo and behold, the road is closed.
	So you have to turn around and go a different way, which makes you late.
	And it's like, but it's that, imagine that mindset.
	Are you feeling well, well, hey, maybe.
	But imagine that mindset sort of transposed onto the kind of person who doesn't care, you know, who thinks that doing a U-turn in a 30-ton semi-truck on a busy motorway is, uh, is just, yeah, it'll be fine.
	Yeah.
	It's maybe, maybe it'll be fine.
	It's just a guideline.
	Or just, well, don't drive across this antique bridge with more than six tons, because, trust me, it's not going not gonna work bro.
	Yeah.
	It's like, well, I've got a 38-ton truck.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	Well, he did.
	And obviously it collapsed.
	Now, you know, luckily in this instant, no one was hurt.
	I guess he managed to get out.
	It's also like, look, look, it's made of wood.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like the sign is there for a reason.
	It's not just, I don't know, you know, some sort of arbitrary government oppression or something.
	This is a description of reality, actually, the sign.
	Could be the case though.
	I don't know.
	Just I'm gonna be extremely uncharitable here.
	extremely uncharitable it could be and they want to do something really evil.
	So the question is, was all the merchandise looted?
	No, I have no idea.
	Could it be the case he says, guys, I'm going to do something incredible?
	There's no reason to come and get all of it.
	No reason to think it.
	I mean, the truck still closes.
	Well, I think another, I mean, another take is maybe the guy doesn't speak English.
	Possibly, but I suspect he probably does speak English.
	I think we have an understanding of time and space.
	I think that basically there's just a much lower consideration for other people in the culture in which he comes from.
	And I think that also there's a kind of self-selection bias if you're going to allow get a really high percentage of people in that cohort who just don't care.
	Who are just, I mean, literally like psychopaths who just, no, I'm here for me.
	You know, I don't care about you.
	And you can tell I don't care about you because I broke into a country, I did things legally, and then I got a job illegally.
	And then whenever I'm supposed to follow the rules that benefit other people, like not destroying a historic bridge, I don't care about that.
	Or like not, like, you know, getting three people killed in a fatal crash.
	I don't care about that.
	That's not my problem.
	And you can see it written on his face as it happens.
	He's just like, oh God, this is going to be.
	It does make my blood boil, this facial expression.
	Maybe we're reading too far into that, but it's just, it's just a, you know., the contempt.
	Yeah, I honestly, I don't think people are wrong to read into it.
	You know, I don't think they are wrong to read into it because I do think it's symptomatic.
	And the thing is, this is the least harmful kind of illegal immigrant as well, right?
	He's not a predator.
	Yeah.
	He's not going around trying to murder people.
	He's just, he's just cavalier.
	Yeah.
	He doesn't care.
	He's just here to get money, send remittances back to India, probably, right?
	That's the least harmful kind of illegal immigrant, frankly.
	And then you, I mean, you hear like in the UK, for example, like people in the Green Party, like Carla Denya, saying, actually, it's a great injustice that we don't allow asylum seekers to work when they come here.
	And it's like, no, this is what why.
	For good reason.
	Yeah, for good reason.
	It's illegal because we have standards.
	Yeah.
	And the standards maintain the safety and dignity of the country.
	And if we allow people to flaunt them, then things go horribly wrong and people die.
	Yeah.
	It really is that simple.
	So anyway, the point of this is detain and deport every single illegal.
	It's a matter of life and death.
	In his mind, he's thinking, this isn't my fault.
	They should have stopped.
	They killed themselves, not me.
	This happens all the time back home and no one cares.
	Yeah, honestly, I couldn't say it on the segment because, you know, it's going on YouTube.
	But I really do think that this is an attitude in India.
	Well, I think, I mean, you know, there's so many factors at play.
	I mean, just the pure population of that country.
	I think it probably does something psychological where human life just has less value.
	It's the same in China, where you hear, like, you know, people being run over and people just like walking past.
	Like, a kid gets run over and no one stops to help.
	Yeah.
	It's like, what the hell's wrong with you people?
	Yeah.
	You know, I can't help but notice, I mean, this is my segment, so, you know, a little bit of a precursor, but, um, you know, it's non Christian countries that think this way.
	They just don't value the individual.
	Yeah, that's true.
	But sanctity and dignity of individual life.
	It's just.
	It's also, I think it's more than that.
	I think it's about connection to the people and the place.
	It's both.
	I think it's both.
	Yeah, because this guy was basically here to exploit.
	Yeah.
	And okay, well, care about you guys.
	Obviously you don't care.
	Yeah.
	Arch covered this in the Archcast last night.
	Truly the actions of an esteemed doctor or engineer.
	Well, he's an expert truck driver, I've heard.
	By the way, you need to get Arch on loose seas one of these days.
	Well, if he ever comes over to England, I will.
	Matt says, California illegally gave out thousands of commercial driver, illegally gave out thousands of commercial driver licenses.
	Car insurance rates have gone through the roof in the US.
	There are people on the US roads who can't speak or read English.
	Yeah, but the point being, well, this, okay, if that was just staying in California, all right, well, you know, you make your own bed, you get to get, you know, lie in it.
	But this is something.
	that is handing it out.
	Logan says, as a California commercial truck driver, please don't let me in with him.
	Well, I'm sure you got yours legally, Logan, right?
	I'm sure you actually passed tests.
	I'm sure you weren't just given it as an act of charity by the States.
	But yeah, you and your colleagues have standards.
	Yeah, I totally agree.
	Joseph says, I've heard that Canada has a huge problem with Indian commercial truck drivers as well.
	Well, again, like, I should have, I wish I'd got the Indian statistics up for the segment.
	I didn't even think to do it.
	But Habsdor Kation, you're right.
	The US isn't deporting enough people.
	I love the driving in Russia videos.
	Oh, I haven't watched the driving in India.
	I'll definitely watch it.
	Oh, they're terrible.
	Okay.
	They're absolutely terrible.
	And you just see these cars, literally, you've got like wagons with people hanging on the side and they're just swerving around on like a, you know, the edge of a cliff.
	And you're just like, Yeah.
	How does anyone survive any journey in India?
	It's crazy.
	But there's no thought for the safety of themselves or others.
	It's so weird, man.
	And I guess it comes down to the kind of fatalistic reincarnation philosophy, right?
	It's like, well, I'm not really happy with this incarnation.
	Maybe I'll get reincarnated into something better.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	On that note.
	So a recent YouGov survey has found that 37% of 18 to 24 year olds now say they believe in a god compared with just 16% in August 2021.
	So you can see this was reported in the Telegraph.
	It was a YouGov poll.
	And the same poll showed that atheism among that same demographic has dropped sharply from 49% in 2021 to 32% today.
	So there's a substantial increase in religiosity among Gen Z, among young people.
	A study by the Bible Society, which was published in April of this year, found that last year around 12% of adults attended church at least once a month, which is up from 8% in 2018.
	So it's still a relatively small number of people, but it's a substantial increase in terms of percentage.
	And at the spear are young men, with over a fifth of 18 to 24 year old men attending church at least once a month, which is a huge increase from the four percent in that demographic in 2018.
	And women in the same group are following a similar trend of increasing church attendance, with the research identifying Roman Catholic and Pentecostal churches as being the most popular among these groups.
	And I find that quite interesting because that's, I mean, I'm a Catholic and we're going to get into that.
	And it is because of the, I think for a long time, the church in tried to hug people back into faith by being a little bit, trying to modernize and having a kind of happy, clappy, guitar strumming type of Christianity that I think a lot of people, certainly my age, and I imagine your age associate Christian faith with.
	And so when we encounter a kind of traditional Latin Roman Catholic mass, it's something quite different to that.
	It's far more intense.
	It's far more profound, deep.
	It's kind of got, it's got all the bells and whistles, if you want.
	And it doesn't, it doesn't, you don't feel pandered to and you don't feel insulted by how dumbed down it is.
	And it's actually that that I think a lot of young people are calling out for.
	They are calling out for authenticity and depth of experience and not to be, insulted by someone thinking that what they need is a kind of happy, clappy, you know, very superficial form of faith.
	Come by our form of faith, yeah.
	Exactly, exactly.
	So there are now over two million more people attending church in Britain than there were six years ago.
	So this is, you know, because part of this story is the demographic element of it because obviously we've had an influx of people from other cultures with other faiths.
	This same, well, the census data shows that Britain's Muslim population has increased in the past decade from two point seven million in 2011 up to three point nine million in 2021.
	So part of this growth in religiosity will certainly be driven by immigration and driven by migrant descended families., uh, and this sort of thing.
	But in absolute numbers, there's a huge number of people attending Christian churches, um, which I view as a very good thing as a Christian.
	And Carl, I know you went to church yesterday, which I was, uh, yeah.
	Pleased to see.
	Yeah.
	Um, it's, yeah, I might be an atheist, but I don't want my kids to be.
	Um, why is that, if you don't mind me asking?
	Well, because honestly, I just think that So I've told this story before, but, like, basically, uh, when, when I took my oldest son to be christened and then my others, uh, I noticed that my dad was really enjoying the ceremony, right?
	He was really enjoying singing the hymns and, uh, just being in the church.
	So, and I I thought about this and I realized what it was..
	I mean, he's an atheist, right?
	He's like every boomer, basically.
	Like, he's an atheist.
	But for him, this was now a nostalgia, right?
	He's going back to a time in his childhood where, you know, his parents would make them go to church every Sunday.
	And it reminds him of a time when the world was more simple and more safe and more normal and, like, more wholesome.
	And I don't have that.
	I don't get any nostalgia for churches because my parents never made me go to church.
	And so for me, a church is completely alien.
	I don't know any of the hymns.
	I don't know anything about it.
	And I think that actually, the belief in God is less important than the experience of having done the thing to me.
	Right.
	So I, I, you know, I'm not going to, you know, browbeat my kids to believe in God or anything, but I want them to know that this is the sort of traditional English thing to do on a Sunday.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I was removed from that tradition, so I don't have any feelings one way or another, actually, towards it.
	You know, like I should have nostalgic feelings of being bored in church.
	You know, okay, if you're bored in church, great.
	That's a privilege, frankly, to be bored in the modern era.
	So if you get to be bored for an hour or two on Sunday mornings, not the end of the world.
	And then when you're older, you'll at least have really fond memories of that being something you did as a family.
	Yeah.
	Whereas I just don't have those.
	And so I was talking to my wife about this.
	She was like, well, maybe we should start going to a church.
	I was like, okay, well, maybe we could try it.
	And it was quite nice, you know.
	I think that's wonderful though.
	I mean, I'm going to get a little into, if you'll indulge me, my own lived experience with this question, because I think it is illustrative of the experience of a lot of young people.
	Because another statistic that came out of this research was that about a third of eighteen to twenty four year olds who do not attend church on a regular basis said that they would go if they were invited by a friend.
	And that was my experience.
	So.
	No, no, no, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
	It's not about the religiosity necessarily.
	It's about the cultural experience of doing it.
	Because it is a lovely thing.
	Another problem I've had is modern churches.
	I hate modern churches.
	The one I went to, the guys walking around burning incense and singing harmonies with a choir and stuff like that.
	And I was like, okay, this is just a really nice experience.
	Even if I don't get anything religious out of it.
	It's just very pleasant to do.
	And the echoing of the voices throughout the church because of the way the church is built.
	It's very harmonious.
	and it was just very very pleasant and it's it's that sort of again it's kind of a feeling of nostalgia that you're tapping back into and like with mine I just wanted my children to at least say well, I had to go to church, but then when they get their kids baptized, at least they'll enjoy the thing and they'll understand why they're there.
	Sorry, go on.
	Yeah, so I went to a Church of England primary school and the church that was associated with the school at the time was very much the former sort that you were talking about.
	That it was trying to appeal to us and trying to be kind of cool and that that always made me cringe.
	I mean, yeah, the Tell me that I'm wrong.
	Tell me why I'm a cynic.
	Yeah.
	Give me the scripture.
	Yeah.
	That is the moral instruction that will help me on a day-to-day basis.
	That's what I mean, when I went on Sunday, the guy was like, Yeah, Jesus said I'm here to bring division.
	I'm like, Okay, I'm listening.
	Yeah.
	You know, that's that's that's not happ the division?
	You know, I'm not going to go into it, but like between daughter in law and mother in law.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And it was like, okay, well, let's I'm listening.
	That's at least interesting to hear about.
	But that's the point.
	It was a pandering, supine, you know, deeply uncool form of Christianity.
	Yeah.
	I was raised with it at school.
	My parents are not churchgoers, but they're the kind of people that if you ask them, they will say that they're Christians.
	'Cause I think there's a distaste for calling oneself an atheist, I think, among certain people, which I do understand,'cause there is a coldness and a hopelessness to it, I think in a lot of people's eyes.
	I thought religion was stupid.
	I think it was, I thought it was a stupid thing for stud stupid people.
	And I basically, my take away from school, my religious education at school, and my kind of experience of church at school, was that the Bible was basically like happy little stories about happy little people doing happy little things in a way that was really like this is just fiction that I and it's just like it's just nonsense basically.
	So I was, yeah, militant atheist, big fan of, you know, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc.
	You yourself, actually, Carl as well.
	I was never that militant about it.
	Yeah.
	It was never really something I thought about that much, but I just was.
	Yeah.
	And I just wasn't ready for anything of it.
	I thought I thought it was all really dumb.
	And then I went to university and about nineteen, during lockdown, I was, you know, I was, well, spending a lot of time alone, and so there was a lot of, you know, introspection, sort of, you know, contemplation, listening to a lot of people like Jordan Peterson.
	And it was around that time I started to think in a somewhat religious way.
	Do you think this is representative of a lot of Zoomer's experience?
	Well, in this research and in the coverage of it, lockdown is noted as being a very, very, as being a real inflection point for this trend.
	Yes.
	And I don't think it's surprising because, you know, we were, there was nothing else to do.
	And I think people were racked with, many people were racked with fear, depression, loneliness, anxiety.
	And so it's no surprise that people went looking for meaning in other places.
	I know I did.
	You know, and that's largely what led me to faith, basically.
	Because I wouldn't have called myself a Christian at this time.
	I was more given to a kind of perennial view, which is like all religions are.
	They point towards the existence of the same fundamental reality, and they're all equally valid roots to a kind of transcendent experience, which I don't, I don't believe anymore, incidentally, because I was thinking in what I have now come to realize was a very Catholic way.
	I was thinking in a very black and white way about reality, morality, beauty, goodness, you know, truth, all these things.
	I felt that there was, I was totally opposed and remained totally opposed to relativism, which was a large part of my university experience because I was educated in that institution by postmodernists, by people who were atheists, didn't believe in objective morality, didn't believe in objective beauty.
	Everything was in the eye of the beholder.
	Everything is what you make of it.
	All lifestyles are equally valid.
	You know, all actions are essentially, you know, there's no under...
	There's no right or wrong.
	Yeah, there's no foundational reality to any of it.
	And that is just a totally disempowering, nihilistic view of the world, which just totally bounced off me.
	And I think it's bouncing off of a lot of young people, especially young men, who feel within, you know, within the depths of their soul, that there is a fundamental reality that we can interface with if we are open to it.
	So I wonder how much of this is actually a revolt against the concept of freedom.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Because everything that you're saying there, the whole purpose of the revolution
	relativistic universe is to make people maximally free from honestly normative moral judgments and i i think that's actually a very unhealthy way to live and i think that one i think it's the catholic church in particular that appeals to a lot of young people because they have strict rules and hierarchy you will do this there's no gray area exactly there's absolutely no gray and i i really think that this is about there's a kind of I want to say yearning,
	but I can't think of a better word for that, a kind of soulful, yeah, longing for structure and order.
	And I really think this is where the right, and this is where all the conservatives have.
	completely left the field because the liberals are going, well, why should we?
	It's like, okay, well, without God, the conservative has a very difficult time actually articulating their own argument.
	And we're going to get into that because that's I do want to, I mean, I don't want to get too deep because I realize this is just the daily podcast, but there are points here that I think need to be made.
	So to finish my kind of story, I attended a Latin Catholic mass with a friend of mine because she was going and I was driving her to the place and she was like, Do you want to come in?
	And I was like, Yeah, why not?
	Go on.
	I see what this is all about then.
	And I was somewhat open to those ideas at the time anyway.
	Attended it and the priest was there, banging on the lecter and talking about the changing sands of liberalism being the.
	being no foundation for our society.
	And I was sitting there and I'm like, okay.
	You know, really resonated with me.
	And so I started to, you know, and so I started to pursue this, you know, this sort of, uh, this tradition and understand more about it.
	Started attending a Catholic church.
	Had the great pleasure of getting to know my local priest who is an amazing, you know, deeply wise, uh, man, uh, who has become sort of a mental figure to me.
	And my faith has just grown and grown.
	And a large part of it is because of what you just said, which is that I, you know, and everyone my age has been educated to believe that the substance of life is to be found in the limitless pursuit of self expression and individual kind of growth, whatever that means, whether that's the accumulation of wealth or the accumulation of experience, the idea, for example, that you wouldn't, you don't start a family until you've lived your life, whatever that means.
	I mean, it basically just means like traveling and partying, which sure is maybe fun for a couple of weeks.
	So if it helps.
	But it's, but it's not, but it's not, you know, it's not a real, it's not a deep form of meaning and it gets old very quickly.
	And that kind of hedonistic lifestyle is just no way to live.
	Because that was another thing.
	I mean, I, I sort of, when I was at university again, as many people do, because this is the lifestyle and the culture that is encouraged at university, you do engage in that kind of thing.
	Of course, everyone does.
	Yeah, you do engage in a hedonistic lifestyle.
	And I very quickly realized that this is no way to live.
	Even Anjem Chalvry did.
	And that's what Jim Chalvery did.
	Yeah.
	Like, ironically, there are pictures of him in university partying.
	Yeah.
	And it's just, and it's just not, you know, it's not fulfilling.
	And it's actually, it's actually quite the opposite.
	It makes you feel empty.
	Yeah.
	And it makes you feel without substance and without rooting.
	And that, and, and, you know, so many people wonder why depression and anxiety and mental illness is so widespread.
	I think it's because of this.
	It's because of this rootlessness.
	And this really, I think is the sort of end point of the liberal view of freedom.
	And so I'm actually not that surprised that Gen Z are like, okay, but I would like some order.
	I would like moral order to the universe.
	Yeah.
	Which brings me to this principle here.
	And again, I don't want to get too down in the weeds with this.
	Okay.
	But I think that this is crucial to understand because this explains, in my view, why Christianity and particularly Catholicism is growing at such a rate in Britain and why young people are so drawn to it.
	And that is because the story of the Bible is not just happy little stories about happy little people, like I thought it was when I was growing up.
	It is actually a description of the structure of the universe, a perfectly accurate description of the structure of the universe.
	And as someone who was already thinking that there clearly is an interconnectedness, a oneness to reality that cannot be explained through the quantitative means and language of science, these ideas really resonated with me.
	And especially, you know, rejecting, as I was at that time, the culture of, you know, individual freedom and hedonism and that sort of thing.
	When I encounter these ideas, it just makes perfect sense to me.
	I've taken this from a book called A Father Who Keeps His Promises by Scott Hahn, which is a brilliant exploration of the Bible and what the story of the Bible actually is.
	He describes it, well, that's what the title suggests.
	It's about a father who makes promises to his children and follows through on those promises.
	What this diagram here describes is how each of the prophets of the Bible, each of the central figures of the Bible, represent a different level essentially of human organization, of civilizational structure.
	In the figure of Adam, you have the covenant of marriage, and his role in that covenant is as the husband.
	And then in Noah, you have he has the role of the father and he institutes the family or the household.
	Abraham is essentially the father of the tribe.
	A sort of protective father as well, right?
	That's right.
	He saves everyone from the flood.
	Yes, that's correct.
	Abraham is the figure of the chieftain, the leader of the tribe, you know, who God promises a great nation to and promises to spread his seed across the world and bless all people.
	Moses is the judge and the leader of the nation in the twelve tribes of Israel come together.
	Well, he's the law giver who instances justice among the Israelites.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Then you have David, who turns the nation of Israel into the kingdom of Israel under his throne.
	And then you have Jesus.
	Okay, so through my philosophy degree, I got really into aesthetics.
	And part of aesthetics is storytelling and archetypes.
	And these archetypes really are meaningful.
	In the figure of David in particular, you have not only the king of the nation, it's the politicization of the nation against other nations.
	It's not just they are under the heel of Pharaoh or whatever it is.
	But from this, David creates an empire.
	He creates a great and powerful kingdom.
	And so the line of David becomes the prestigious thing that Jesus comes from.
	The, again, the connection to the prestige, to the political power that is created by the just order of the nation.
	Yes.
	So all these things, like, you don't have to look at them religiously.
	Because I know there's going to be a bunch of people watching, okay, I'm not really religious.
	Okay, what can you get out of this?
	The answer is the archetypes, I think, are what you're talking about, is they are real.
	Yes.
	Whether you're a believer in God, regardless of how they come about.
	Yes.
	But this, this is the point is I was argued into Christianity.
	I was not hugged.
	I, I got to Christianity through rational means.
	Like, I, I, and I, and I came to believe that a lot of what I thought of as being irrational about religion is actually what I would call post rational.
	It exists in the realm beyond rationality, as opposed to before rationality.
	It cannot be understood through science.
	And so it requires a different type of sense, which is faith.
	And so, you know, I was, like last year, I was at the point where I was reading these stories and understanding these ideas from a rational, essentially atheistic perspective.
	I was kind of, I was what you'd call a cultural Christian, right?
	I thought, okay, the ideas work and they seem to be kind of true in a sense.
	And so it seems to make sense that we govern our society along these lines.
	But what the leap of faith actually is, is not, you know, I believed at that time that these were something like the closest approximation to the truth and that the Bible was kind of the closest we've got to moral reality.
	to painting a picture of the moral universe.
	But what faith is, is recognizing that it's not just the closest to it, it's actually the thing itself.
	So Jesus is not just a guy who got it nearly right when it comes to morality, he was actually literally the Son of God.
	And that's what, and that's, you know, obviously you start to lose people at this point because people think you're talking nonsense, but that's what faith actually is.
	Sure.
	And the thing is, there are, there's going to be a bunch of people who are not going to be prepared to cross that threshold.
	Yeah.
	But the, the, the archetypal structures that you're presenting here, I think, in themselves have a great deal of value.
	Yeah.
	Even if that's all you take from this, that's better than nothing.
	Well, exactly.
	But also, nothing is what mainstream culture offers us.
	Well, exactly, exactly.
	The liberal order would have that there are no archetypal values.
	There is no difference between right and wrong.
	But this also provides a good sort of framework as to why Muhammad doesn't fit, why he's obviously a false prophet.
	Because what does Muhammad as a barbarian warlord bring to the covenant that God makes with Muhammad?
	Exactly.
	And it's depraved, frankly.
	It's awful.
	I'm not going to alliterate it, but it's not good and it doesn't fit into the ascending processions.
	Yeah, the procession of things.
	Yeah, so like I said, I'm not a religious person, but I can see the value in understanding the world Because they represent what is true about human relationships and the way that we interact with one another.
	And so the fundamental case here is that these human structures like marriage, family, tribe, nation, kingdom and church are not arbitrary emergent phenomena with no sort of implicit or fundamental meaning.
	They are actually ordained by God, created from a top-down perspective.
	And it is in our, you know, it is man's role in the same way that the role of a tree is to grow, and all trees follow that, you know, that pathway because they don't have free will.
	Man's free will, we have free will, but our role as humans is to follow these structures.ctures and to recognize that we are part of a divine order that is hierarchical in nature and that we have a kind of unique place in.
	And it's that idea that the liberal world order just can't get.
	But the thing is, even if you're like, you know, a purely materialistic atheist, you can still come to these conclusions because these are normative aspects of the universe.
	Whether you think that was created by God or it was, you know, brought into being through natural processes or whatever it is, they're still there.
	This is what C.S. Lewis is calling the tau, right?
	It's like, look, this is just the structure of the universe in relation to what you are as an objective living being within it.
	So, regardless of how you think they get there, there's no doubt that humans are hierarchical in these ways.
	Yes.
	So, you know, and each hierarchy has a normative component to it.
	So you can you can object to the theology of it all you like, but this as a as a conceptual schematic as a description of reality.
	It's actually quite good.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	And so what, you know, and then I think the next step to this is to look at this, to recognize that the Bible and the stories of the Bible and the historical figures described in the Bible and the experiences that they had, you know.
	And the way in which God in the Bible institutes all these different institutions, I suppose, of marriage, family, tribe, nation, kingdom and church is to look at the order under which we live today, the moral, political and economic order that has existed since 1945.
	And note the fact.
	Note the fact that it explicitly takes aim at each and every one of these structures.
	And we can name the policies and the ideas and the principles that do so.
	So marriage, for example, we have gay marriage, feminism, the idea that the sexes are perfectly equal and should compete with each other.
	I mean, that's a direct attack on Adam's moral authority.
	Yes, that's exactly right.
	And of course, pornography, which degrades the marital act, turns it into a product of, a sensationalized consumer product.
	Then you have marriage and once again, and then you have family.
	So contraception is actively antifamily.
	But also with Noah as the protector, it's interesting how the police will arrest you for interceding in, like, for example, the guy who had his trousers down the other day, and the dudes beat him up and chucked him off the train.
	They were arrested.
	And that's a direct attack on the archetype of Noah.
	That's exactly right.
	It's a direct attack.
	Yeah.
	You also have capitalism in its modern form, which forces both men and women to work.
	But part, you know, part of the role of the father is to work, right?
	But that's not the role of the mother.
	And so, and so, and so, and so, and so, and so, to earn money anyway, you know?
	Yeah.
	Well, when I say work, I mean going out of the house and hunting and gathering.
	I don't want to suggest that being a housewife isn't all work, you know?
	No.
	But yeah, but I'm using that in a very specific way.
	But it's, yeah, again, it's forcing men and women to compete with each other, which is not, yeah, that's not a good foundation for a family.
	And then you then again have this championing and mainstreaming of what get called, you know, alternative lifestyles, LGBT and all the rest of it, which pushes the notion that immigration is a direct attack on Abraham.
	Yeah.
	We'll get to that.
	Don't worry.
	Oh, sorry.
	You know, the idea that all lifestyles are equal, which they are not.
	And if for no other reason than heterosexual marriage produces children, and you need children for a society to continue, then you get to the tribe., which is of course instituted in the figure of Abraham.
	And it's here that you get into the truly, I think, most controversial territory of all of these, which is the concept of racism and the concept of anti racism as being a moral good.
	It's an attack on the notion of tribe, the denial of the denial of ethnicity, the denial of in group preference along those lines, the pushing of diversity.
	This is all an attack on the on the divine structure of the tribe.
	And that's why I think largely that's why so much of modern politics is so loopy is, you know, we've attacked, we attack these divine structures and we expect things to just be fun, we expect things to be better actually, or our leaders do at least.
	Then you have the nation and it's quite obvious what the attack on that is, it's mass immigrationation, it's the deconstruction of the nation.
	But also, it's interesting the laws themselves.
	Notice how everything that Blair did was always contrary to and everything Labour has done from the 20th century onwards was contrary to the inherited laws of the English.
	Yes.
	Abolish the death penalty, open the borders, have all these interceding moments where the state intercedes between relationships, hate speech laws, all this sort of stuff.
	All this is just antithetical to how the nation itself should be judged.
	Yes.
	And then you move on to the kingdom and the primary attack on the kingdom is of course liberal democracy.
	The other side.
	And a system that selects for, selects in favor of liars and those who can most effectively lie to the public and therefore, when they're in office, continue to behave in a dishonest way, which is what we suffer under today.
	And then finally, you have the church as the ultimate universal structure of human civilization.
	And the principal attack on that is the entire culture, the entirety of the culture, which is, you know, rooted in the worship of the self.
	Materialism.
	Yeah.
	Because really, if you read, for example, Saint Augustine's The City of God, you kind of realize that there are basically two things that you can worship in this life.
	You can worship God or you can worship yoing anything other than God tends inevitably towards worshiping the self, whether that's money or fame or a hedonistic lifestyle.
	All of it is in pursuit of the worship of the self.
	And that, really, the worship of the self is the principle that underpins the entirety of the modern moral paradigm under which we live.
	Because, and you can see this most clearly, of course, in the culture of the 60s and in the boomers, the lifestyles they lived.
	It's not even a culture, you don't have to argue for it, it's completely unacceptable.
	Yeah, and especially, for example, in the figure of John Lennon and in two of his songs, Imagine and God, those are two songs that celebrate the worship of the self as being, you know, and the destruction of these structures.
	Oh, left wing immigration, oh, activism.
	Activism these days is the worship of the self.
	Recognize me.
	I need representation.
	I need recognition.
	I need it has to be me.
	It's not a coincidence.
	There's like a black woman saying we need, you know, Black Lives Matter.
	It's not a coincidence.
	Yeah.
	And so I will conclude there because I know we're running out of time.
	But the point I'm making here is that the most radical thing that you can do as a young man and as a young person in the 21st century is embrace faith, is embrace Christian faith.
	because all of the power structures that govern our societies since 1945 have taken explicit aim at all of the structures that Christianity seeks to create and to defend.
	And what that's led us to is chaos.
	There's a question I have here because I'm focusing on what you're saying.
	So it's one thing.
	I'm going to be very tough, right?
	Please.
	Okay, so I don't care about what people are saying.
	All this could be overcompensating against the New Atheism movement.
	movement I care about what people are doing.
	No, what people are saying.
	So I think that's crucial.
	I think it's really important to look at how society will fear in the future.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	So we'll see.
	And that, Carla, I think it's really important.
	Because for me, it's mostly about how.
	someone actually is.
	Conduct.
	It's actual conduct.
	And it's a question of unmediated question of how you relate to what you consider to be divine.
	Yeah, and I agree with that.
	And this is why, in my view, the actual, the faith itself, the genuine, like, authentic belief in God, you know, the idea that there is a Creator, that the universe was created, that there is a will that underpin all of reality that wants us to behave in a certain way.
	That's why that is crucial as part of this equation.
	Because if you genuinely believe, as I do, that God is essentially watching you at all times and judging every move you make, it does force you to behave in a certain way.
	And when you and when you straight that path when you sin, then you feel very guilty about it and you pray and you pray for forgiveness.
	But even if even if you don't have a literal faith, taking this as a as a metaphorical truth about the universe and human society, I think is valuable in itself.
	It's better than nothing, as I said before.
	A little better than nothing.
	Yeah.
	It's one step on the on the path, I would say.
	Because I I mean, I was a big believer in the idea of metaphorical truth again, sort of about a year ago.
	But now I just believe in truth.
	you know, a full stop.
	So there we go.
	We've got any video comments, Samson.
	Alex says, let's sum up going to the Labour counselor.
	His defense that he's had mental problems and made him unable to express himself in a responsible way, yet one presumes still has a glittering career ahead of him as a councillor representing locals in his area in an even and calm-handed, calm and even-handed manner.
	Yeah, I don't think it's going to stop his career in the Labour Party that he called for people to have their throats slit.
	It's just not going to be the case because they just don't care.
	Right.
	so let's get the video comments Holding down the power button used to turn off a phone, but on my new phone it brings up an AI assistant and I have to tell it to turn off the phone at which point it brings up the power options menu.
	I need an AI's permission to turn off my own phone.
	Flemingway is finally due to open again this year after its closure in 2022 for development.
	It was supposed to take two years, instead it's taken three.
	Can anyone in the Lotus Eater's office see any improvement?
	Wiltshire Police is being sued for appearing at the Swindon and Wiltshire Pride 2025.
	If this is an option, why aren't we all doing it for every event they're at?
	There is actually improvement on that bus...
	It looks like it's actually ready now.
	So they have, it only took three years.
	But in the end, it took two years.
	Like, there's nothing to it.
	It's just a road that goes around the pavement.
	Like, two years.
	It's disgraceful.
	So let's go to the next one.
	A beautiful St. Andrew's Cathedral.
	When you look over here, Afghan food truck.
	And look down here.
	Great.
	Yeah, that's the Church of England for you.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's really embarrassing.
	Yep.
	Thank you.
	so that's an end yeah it's an anti- Christian message that.
	Yeah, yeah, no, it is an anti Christian message.
	God, I hate it.
	Let's have candy.
	The thing is, though, I'm just too racist to become a Catholic.
	Right.
	I just, I, I, I just The thing is, you know, the idea, because there are those who accuse, like, who say, Well, you know, you're a Christian, how can you be opposed to mass immigration and that sort of thing?
	I said, Well, because it's an attack on the nation, which is a divine structure.
	Also, one, one thing that isn't talked about many times is that one of the first arguments against slavery came from a Catholic.
	Oh, yeah.
	And after the Treaty of Tordesillas in about Latin America.
	Yeah, well, I mean, Catholicism generally.
	Much, much after because the Portuguese.
	started the slavery trade after 1494.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And like all of the arguments in the sort of age of sale against slavery came from the Christians.
	Like long before the Liberals.
	Yeah.
	There's no getting around it.
	Sorry, let's go to the next one.
	It arrived and I have the full set.
	Very nice.
	Yeah, well, I'll be coming to Australia later this year.
	Also, thanks Sophie for talking about the illustrations for my next kids book.
	It's going to be amazing.
	I think you're all going to love it.
	And I'm also helping Sophie publish her book as well.
	I'm about halfway through editing it for her and then we're going to get some really nice cover art and going to blast it out everywhere so keep an eye out I will get a copy but yeah so I will be coming to Australia at some point this year unfortunately because I hate traveling but yeah so come and see me basically Right, Jimbo says, Ricky Jones is the postboy for the entire critical justice, social justice movement.
	Much like timekeeping and mathematics, expecting him not to incite a baying mob, slip the throats of their enemies, is actually us imposing colonial standards on him.
	The thing is, that's probably true.
	It's probably literally true.
	They're arguing that diversity simply can't cope with living in the Western world because it aspires to basic standards.
	That's what they're saying.
	Yeah.
	That is what they're saying.
	And that's probably true.
	There are a lot of rumble rants about me going to church.
	I'm going to ignore them for now.
	Sorry guys.
	The videos by Reesmog and the Black Belt Barrister made me realize that Tuti justice also shows up in the details of exactly what charges are made.
	It seems that if you disagree with the agenda or critical of the government, you are likely to be charged differently than if you were a good little lefty.
	Yeah, that's another thing as well.
	Like, it's not that we can explicitly quantify it, but you can feel the lightness of justice that's applied to them, can't you?
	Yeah.
	And it's like, look, man, you know, I'm not going to say that this is the most solid argument, but I just don't agree.
	You know, I just don't agree that this is a level playing field.
	And you're not going to persuade me otherwise, frankly.
	Again, the fact that Lucy Collins is still in jail, it's like the state has been so intransigent on the issue.
	Yeah.
	It's like there are so many mitigating factors that a state that wasn't hostile to the native population would just take into account.
	And they're the ones complaining, oh, the prisons are totally full.
	Okay, well then...
	Yeah.
	Obviously not.
	She's a danger to the ideology of the state.
	That's exactly it.
	The moral legitimacy of the state, she's a danger danger to which makes her more dangerous than the criminals who are not a threat to the ideology of the state.
	So Soviet.
	Yeah.
	And that's a cliché.
	No, no, it totally is.
	Yeah.
	Jimbo says, according to someone I know, despite the fact that we've seen all the evidence with our own eyes, the jury may have had access to privileged information which makes this what we've seen not an offence.
	Well, that's, I mean, I think it's actually just an interpretative of what has happened, right?
	Because they said that it just wasn't inciting violence.
	They did.
	They were passing judgment on the same video that we saw.
	Yeah.
	It's not that there was, I don't think there was anything new.
	Roman of Observer says, a diverse jury will never work of peers requires a homogeneous society.
	Yes, correct.
	Also, the laws in question belong only to the English, not the immigrant community, so they wouldn't recognize the crime at all.
	Well, that's the point, isn't it?
	If this is just normal in the society that they come from, which I know that it is, then what are we doing?
	I've got to say, I mean, this is pretty controversial, I think, from a mainstream perspective.
	But this does show you why the entire project of decolonisation has been such a failure.
	Because we thought we behaved as if we built these structures in these countries, and now that we've given them, given those peoples, those structures, once we leave, things will just tick along indefinitely and be fine.
	Did you see the video of the Indian politician, the really fat one handing out money for people to vote for?
	Yeah, I know.
	Driving around, he's really fat, he's just handing out rupees out of the car so people will vote for him.
	It's like, listen man, there's just no point in saying Indian democracy.
	Yeah.
	This is not how India governed itself prior to the British.
	You should team up with a guy selling the food, you know, the really Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The really Yeah.
	The AD one.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Sponsorship.
	India's slop.
	Yeah, slop.
	It's just slop in every pot.
	Slop masala.
	Oh, God.
	And it's the same everywhere though.
	It's literally everywhere outside of essentially northwestern Europe.
	Like I was I was explaining to the people like I don't really trust the integrity of like Eastern European elections.
	I'm sorry, I just don't trust the Ukrainian elections.
	We're not dealing with English people.
	Exactly.
	I mean, maybe in France and Germany, I believe it, you know, maybe in Spain, Portugal, maybe, you know, in Italy, maybe even in Greece.
	But like, you know, outside of that, I just don't think that these people like consider political power to be negotiated in the way that we do.
	You know, they would rather essentially want it to come down to clan structures.
	It's like, okay, well, I'm not here to change their minds on that.
	No.
	You know, well, it's absolutely natural.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	I actually feel that the way we live is quite natural to us.
	Yeah.
	Actually.
	And the incredibly low rate of corruption in what was a homogeneous English nation was a remarkable thing.
	Absolutely remarkable.
	You know, like I had never heard of people cheating in elections until I was well into my thirties and I heard about what was happening in Leicester.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Right.
	It was just it was unthinkable.
	Unthinkable.
	And the idea of like bribing a cop.
	I remember I used to work for the research councils.
	My boss had spent time in Africa setting up computers or something.
	And he told me about this multiple times where they just had to bribe cops to let them go.
	Because the cops would just pull you over and you'd done nothing wrong.
	They just went for a bribe.
	And I was just like, that's horrific.
	That's horrific.
	I could never live in a country.
	I can't even imagine trying to bribe a British cop.
	I mean, offering money.
	Of course.
	I mean, you'd get arrested for it.
	I would expect to be arrested for that.
	Anyway, Alex says, I won't be able to watch the immigration driver section, so this in advance.
	I'm not defending the man, but I've worked with a number of Indians and they tend to clam up when confronted with a serious situation.
	Well, maybe if they don't call cause serious situations yeah clamming up won't be such a problem um you can do illegal things yeah exactly you can come across a lack of concern that the Japanese smiling in an embarrassing situation doesn't mean they're happy with it.
	Yeah, I mean, that could well be the case.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But the way that that comes across to the people you're taking advantage of is very negative.
	The Ghost of Enoch says, in China, if someone's hit by a car, it's common for the driver to reverse over them to finish them off.
	This is because they are liable to pay the victim compensation for the rest of their life if they live.
	Jesus Christ.
	The penalty for vehicular manslaughter is less.
	It's mad.
	Kevin says, in 2023 in India, oh yeah, right, yeah, sorry, I did look up the stats, right?
	So the Indian stats are insane.
	So in the UK, we have, say in 2023, 1,695 road deaths and 28,976 serious injuries with 110,000 slight injuries.
	In India, they had 480,000 road accidents, which equates to something like 474 fatalities a day.
	And when you put this down to per capita, so per 100,000, in the UK, we have an accident rate of 2.4 to 2.7.
	India has 15 to 17.
	So again, per 100,000.
	So the absolute numbers are insane.
	And I mean, literally, like, you know, eight times what ours are.
	Absolutely mad.
	So he gives, Kevin's in Thailand to the moon.
	He says, so in Thailand there were 20,000 fatalities and the population of Thailand is 71 million.
	So it's roughly on parity with Britain.
	Yeah.
	whereas we had 1,600.
	So it's...
	but that the internal structure of this thing and the function of this thing is not the same.
	Yes.
	Chance from Canada says my wife's car got swiped by an immigrant truck driver when she was parked and she wasn't in it.
	The driver was delivering to a nearby immigrant owned restaurant.
	We noticed quickly that she spoke to the owner of the restaurant to see if she'd received any deliveries and he lied to her face about not receiving deliveries that day.
	We obtained the security camera footage of the delivery truck dragging her car across the parking lot.
	They all must go.
	This is just a problem.
	Ramshackalotta says an African nurse got drunk in a park after a shift off and drove his Mercedes Benz down my mum's 30 mph speed limit road at 70 miles an hour, crashed into a family home and knocked it an inch off its footings.
	He was spared jail because the judge says the amount he gives back to the community is immense.
	Such is his name, Simba Chimba, apparently.
	Mad.
	When did that become like a legally acceptable reason?
	Yeah, I'm insane.
	I know you're from a foreign country.
	I know you're insane.
	It's not even that.
	The amount he gives back to the community is immense.
	What does that even mean?
	He enriches them with diversity.
	Yeah.
	Like it was a white community.
	Yeah.
	He's diverse.
	White Rider says, As an atheist myself, personally, I feel that the actual faith is less important, but the church is important for cultural and moral reasons.
	I'm about the faith, everything.
	everything else goes.
	Yeah, I am sympathetic to that argument as well, because like, essentially, this is an argument that I've heard people in Crasso, essentially, why can't we just live a lie?
	And it's like, because anyone at any point can say, but aren't we all lying?
	It'll be the emperor's new clothes.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And, you know, aren't we all lying?
	And then we'll go, yeah, we are all lying.
	And so the whole thing will just cloud.
	It just takes one person to do it.
	But this is the, yeah, this is the leap of faith is moving from it works to it's true.
	And again, I think metaphorically and structurally it's true.
	Or maybe it's just true.
	Daniel says, modern messages.
	of starting your family after you've lived your life is perverse.
	It is starting your family that you discover what it is to truly live.
	And what does that even mean to live one's life and then settle down and start a family?
	Be childish and irresponsible.
	That's what it means.
	And there's no great advantage to it.
	Honestly, it's just wasting money, frankly.
	Like, even if you were the most heartless materialist, you can still look at your own children as an investment.
	Like, even if you were the most sort of cold, callous materialist, you would still have an aspect where you're, oh, you know, my children will at least be something that produces for me later in life.
	What a cruel thing to say, but yeah.
	It's it's you could still look at it that way just to be like, no, I'm just going to piss my money away on alcohol and partying.
	It's like, right.
	So you're going to end up poor, no investment, nothing in life.
	Yeah.
	Arizona Desert Rat says, My sister has three young adult children who attend church just about every week, and one is getting ready to serve to your mission.
	Wow.
	Jordan Peterson turned many zoomers to Christ.
	Well, I mean, that's Yeah, good.
	I guess.
	Well, that's the funny thing about Peterson.
	I was actually at an event, a small event in Oxford, I think it was earlier this year, that he was speaking at.
	And it's so funny how he still to this day can't bring himself to say that he is a Christian and that he believes in Christ.
	And it's funny how I think someone at that event made the comment that, you know, the role of the prophet is to open the door but never to step through the door himself.
	And I think Peterson is an example of that.
	Honestly, it's a problem with boomers.
	They're just an atheist generation.
	Yeah.
	Genuinely.
	And it's, you know, not great.
	And like, Gen X is the consequence of that.
	It's in millennials.
	Yeah.
	And this is why I'm like, okay, I personally don't want to go to church on Sunday.
	Right.
	You know, I have no desire to do it.
	But I think it will be good for my children to have done it.
	Yeah.
	So it's not, I'm not doing it for myself.

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