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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of Lotus Eaters for Monday, the 16th of June, 2025.
	I'm joined by Stephen and Bo.
	And on this fine sunny Monday, Is it sunny outside, actually?
	I don't know.
	It's kind of bright.
	Yeah, we're going to be talking about Trump's trooping of the colours and how it The Minnesota assassination, which was quite a surprise, and how Labour have decided to do a massive U-turn on ordering a grooming gang inquiry and why they have done that.
	We have no announcements today, so let's just begin.
	Right, so at the weekend, Trump had a military parade.
	Oh no!
	Yeah, right.
	Yeah, the leftists are like, oh no, you can't do it.
	Military parade?
	Isn't that fascism?
	Yeah, definitely.
	King Trump.
	Only a king or a fascist would do such a thing.
	Leftist communists never do that sort of thing.
	Never.
	When did the Soviet Union ever do that?
	When does North Korea ever do that?
	Yeah.
	So I thought it was worth sort of having a bit of a talk about because it was interesting.
	We have got a little bit of criticism for it but from the opposite end of the spectrum of leftists.
	Yeah, I thought it was disappointing.
	Right.
	Right, yeah, could do better.
	Have it every year, if anything.
	I've got no problems with the concept of having a military parade.
	Have more pride in your history and heritage and military prowess, if anything.
	Also pick up your feet when you're marching.
	And actually March.
	I've got lots of criticisms.
	I quite like the idea of it in principle, but is this all part of his strategy of turning around and saying it was America that won the First World War, it was America that won the Second World War, or is it just about him really just building the American military dream and ideology against it?
	A lot of money, hasn't it, in this latest bill?
	Huge amount.
	Yeah, but it didn't come across like that at all to me.
	Oh, didn't it?
	Oh, good.
	Well, it was interesting because it's not like, and I'll get to this later, it's not like the Americans can't march properly.
	But this parade just wasn't necessarily...
	Should have been better.
	A bit more spit and polish.
	I've seen those brilliant videos of the Americans with the weapons turning around and twizzling.
	The Marine Corps, yeah.
	I've got a clip of that later.
	I look forward to that.
	Let's watch a little bit of what we're dealing with.
	Turn this up.
	Well, actually, I want to hear Trump speaking.
	The United States Army.
	Thank you very much.
	Because the army keeps us free.
	You make us strong.
	And tonight you have made all Americans very proud.
	They're watching from.
	They're not marching properly.
	They're not doing it properly.
	I understand that they had, like, the era's uniforms.
	This is the first World War era.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So what's that?
	And the things Trump is saying here are all true.
	The US military tradition, as relatively short as it is compared to an Englishman, is still pretty damn good.
	That's not a lie.
	I don't want to cast any shadow over any of that.
	In 2003, the second Gulf War, that armoured advance from Basra to Baghdad was arguably the greatest armoured advance of all time.
	The US military capabilities on the battlefield are second to none.
	I mean, it helps that the opponents weren't Iraqis.
	Yeah, and they've got 70s Soviet tanks.
	And had three bows and arrows and a pistol that was filled with water.
	And with nothing but a piece of broken crockery.
	But let's listen to Trump again.
	From all over the world, actually.
	That's what happens when you get divorced.
	I'm all very proud.
	Every other country celebrates their victories.
	It's about time.
	America did, too.
	That's what we're doing tonight.
	And watching this magnificent display, our souls are filled with gratitude for every generation of warriors who have worn the uniform all the way back to the very beginning.
	So to every veteran across our land and right here in our nation's capital, They're not dressed properly.
	I don't mean their uniform.
	Dressed in line, marching.
	I'd just like to see a bit more Yeah.
	There's a lot of just ambling.
	I'm just going to walk along here.
	...of the Congressional Medal of Honor.
	We love you, we honor you, and we salute your noble service to our flag and to our country.
	As we celebrate tonight, we also think of the hundreds of thousands of Army soldiers who have made the supreme sacrifice for our nation and selflessly laid down their lives in every war from the Revolution to the War on Terror.
	To the Gold Star families with us today, the courage of your heroes is the bedroom rock on which our entire nation stands.
	We thank you.
	Yes, we thank you.
	Matt Anthony replied, This guy sort of summed it up for me.
	Just slouching with shades on.
	You're supposed to be on Parade Man.
	You disgrace us, sir.
	You shame us, sir.
	It could have been a bit better.
	I like it.
	Do it every year.
	I was very disappointed by the marching.
	Sorry, why weren't you actually marching?
	Proper arms swinging, legs straight, in time with one another, shoulders back, head up.
	Proper marching.
	Maybe they need to get that guy out a full metal jacket and bring him back and force him to do it once at a time.
	Because this reminded me of all those Vietnam movies where you see them hanging on to them.
	The helicopters just louch back, just popping off one every now and again.
	Which is quite cool in its own way, but not on a national day.
	This article says that they looked a bit more like prisoners of war.
	Yeah.
	They didn't seem to have pride, right?
	Because one of the things about displays of troops marching, and the reason that they're so energetic in places like North Korea, in fact, is because they're trying to show that they're all ultra-disciplined, high-energy, well-trained professionals.
	This isn't just people walking along.
	These are trained soldiers who move as a unit.
	And that's what the march is supposed to show.
	And the American one didn't.
	Not really.
	That's quite disappointing.
	Yeah, I would have liked to have seen a bit more.
	But the leftists, of course, they hate the entire thing, the entire concept.
	It was not like, this was great, but be better.
	It was like, no, the whole thing is wrong-headed.
	And, of course, they're fifth columnists and traitors and scumbags.
	But there you go, the Lincoln Project.
	It's like North Korea.
	Now, look, it's not weird that countries like...
	That's not weird.
	It's weird if you don't.
	If you don't have any pride whatsoever, if you don't, But it's not really like North Korea, is it?
	Because if they were North Korea and they marched in that way, they would have been basically shot.
	But not being good enough.
	I don't know what North Korean is, but you can't march.
	But it was like, bosh, off you go.
	And at the same time, it was also Trump's birthday, wasn't it?
	And there was these no-kings, no-kangs parade.
	Yeah, the no-kangs thing, which was very, very peculiar, frankly.
	Being a king, a monarch.
	Yeah, yeah, because it fell on the same day as the Trooping of the Colour, right?
	And so it's like, okay, but...
	Republics, dictatorships, democracies.
	Monarchies.
	So this isn't something that's exclusively reserved for kings.
	But don't they also have them during individual states in the United States, have different days in which they celebrate the military and have them coming down?
	Maybe, I don't know.
	Maybe if they dressed up in pink, yellow, green flags and all the rest of it, that would have been okay.
	But the thing is, the whole sort of thing.
	They don't mind marching for that, do they?
	They're left.
	Well, yeah, but it's not quite the same.
	But the no kings thing, it's like nobody's putting that on the table.
	This feels like a strange anachronism.
	I mean, I think Trump actually summed it up pretty well here.
	They're just spurging out.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, when Trump was asked about it...
	What are your thoughts on those?
	What are they going?
	No kings?
	No kings.
	I don't feel like a king.
	I have to go through hell to get stuff approved.
	A king would say, I'm not going to get this.
	A king would have never had the California mandate to even be talking to him.
	He wouldn't have to call up Mike Johnson and Thune and say, fellas, you've got to pull this off and after years we get it done.
	No, no, we're not a king.
	We're not a king at all.
	Thank you very much.
	That's a great response.
	That's a brilliant response.
	And true as well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, just a little fedora tip actually moment.
	Our difference is between an absolute monarch and most kings.
	Most kings do still have to sort of plead to get what they want.
	God, our king doesn't do anything.
	Yeah, Magna Carta being one of them.
	Well, yeah, our constitutional monarch.
	Just a quick thing on that.
	I love the tone of Trump's reply there.
	Can we go back to that a sec?
	And the sort of expression on Trump's face as well.
	Yeah, please.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The whole thing just felt like it was a weird and inappropriate question.
	It's like, oh, they're protesting kings.
	It's like, king, do you know the amount of bureaucracy I have to go to?
	Do you know the number of meetings I have to have?
	What does being a king mean if that's what I've got to do in this system?
	It was so tin-eared to accuse him of that because obviously he's just trapped in a bureaucratic system where he's going through all of this stuff and going through all of these people and eventually maybe he gets something done.
	And that's the way the system was designed.
	So it's just like, I don't know what you're talking about.
	I don't see any crown on his head.
	Where's my orb?
	Where's my scepter?
	I'm sure you give the left, there's going to be a meme with it on there somewhere along the line.
	Oh yeah, Atlas, and probably some on the right as well, but in reality it doesn't reflect anything about his daily life.
	God, Emperor, sure.
	King, not so much.
	He's Egyptian now.
	Yeah, so the mainstream media going with anything that's sort of anti-Trump they love, don't they?
	Look at the age of the protesters saying this.
	This is another one of the things.
	It's like the No Kings protesters.
	It's all a bunch of really old boomers.
	Look at the picture.
	But you can see the people in the background, they're just all really old.
	Old and white.
	Yeah.
	Mainly white.
	Exactly, because this is a very sort of white concern, you know, like the Constitutional Republic.
	You know, the people who have come over from various strange countries, give a damn about that.
	No, of course not.
	This is a boomer concern, apparently.
	Yeah, white boomers against Trump.
	Yeah.
	The most vocal ones.
	Calling him a king when he's like, well, you know, I'm trying to get a bill passed.
	It's almost wombats, isn't it?
	White boomers against Trump.
	Wombats.
	Let's make that a thing.
	That's a good term, actually.
	Let's make that a thing.
	Yeah, the wombats.
	Wombats.
	We've got it.
	Hashtag wombat.
	It's a very white protest, actually, now you mention it.
	I hadn't even thought about it.
	Yeah, no, they are mainly white.
	I picked this up over the weekend with these No King things.
	It was fascinating, really.
	A republic.
	Tearing itself apart unnecessarily.
	Or beginning to.
	There's no need for it.
	But there you go.
	They're marching behind their flag.
	Yeah, with the trans flag, yeah.
	Yeah, that's it.
	They don't look correctly dressed into lion either.
	No, no.
	They need to learn properly.
	At least there is the odd American flag there, though.
	They've learned their lesson from the Mexican national protests.
	It's like, no, guys, we have to have a couple of American flags there, otherwise we look like traitors.
	Well, just on that, I know it's a complete aside, but, you know, look what's going to happen down in London, all down on the Queen's Royal Estate down Regent Street.
	That flag is going to have, like, 150 of them flying down.
	Yeah.
	I'll be avoiding London for a month.
	It's like, yeah, the lefties, they hate flags, apart from their flags.
	Absolutely.
	But yeah, there were some disturbances and a person or two was killed, apparently.
	Millions rallied against Trump.
	Did they really?
	Did they, was it?
	Okay, so did they overthrow the king?
	Was the monarch deposed?
	I mean, I'm all in favour at this point of deposing the monarch.
	Yeah.
	This is the thing.
	It's so weird because...
	Because dictators are actually a normal part of republics, and actually many republics have turned into dictatorships, and some of them even have the dictator as a core part of the Constitution.
	So you would actually be speaking at least in the same sort of playing field.
	It's like, yeah, a republic could quite easily end up with a dictator, but the king, I mean, you'd have to draw upon a series of things that just aren't present in the United States.
	What are you talking about?
	Well, all republics have ended in tears one way or another.
	So far.
	So far.
	And you talk about dictator in sort of the Cincinnati sense, not necessarily the Pol Pot sense.
	No, although...
	And then there's Trump being like, I'm just trying to get a bill passed.
	It's like, what are you talking about?
	There's a huge disconnect between reality and your bizarre fantasy.
	This goes to how the left really don't understand history.
	Don't understand philosophy.
	Yeah, don't understand just the general concepts of how these principles came around.
	And it also leads to the idea that most of them really don't really understand their constitution either.
	So, you know, they're pretty dumb.
	History and heritage are an anathema to socialists.
	The socialist, even communist, system will only work if the vast majority of the populace are ignorant of their history, basically.
	That's one of the reasons why they despise it so much.
	I was going to play a bit more of this.
	But yeah, so it seems like there's a fair amount of LARPing going on.
	Yeah, but that's fine.
	It's fine.
	I'm not criticising that in and of itself at all.
	And I've got to admit, I am enjoying it when they pull out the whole history in terms of the colours of the uniforms, the cars, that thing to me.
	I really love that sort of kind of historical buildings, the uniforms.
	It just shows progress as well, the way that progress is.
	It had a bit of style.
	It did the same thing with Queen's funeral as well, where you've got the British military through the ages, the trooping past.
	But they marched properly.
	As I say again, do it every year, if anything.
	Make it better next time.
	That's got to be Vietnam.
	Vietnam the hat.
	They're World War II guys.
	Are they World War II?
	I think these are Vietnam.
	The helmets hadn't changed much, enormously.
	Although I think they were built slightly differently in terms of the metal for headshots.
	And the reason why I say it seems all a bit lacklustre, or not quite squared away perfectly, which is odd because the US can do it.
	Oh, gosh, yeah.
	Can they?
	Yeah.
	I've seen these sort of things.
	These are Marines.
	Absolutely brilliant.
	Love it.
	And you can see they're marching properly.
	Oh, look at that.
	They're doing it properly.
	Not just time, straight backs, legs out.
	All you can see is the movement of the legs.
	And I love, again, coming down to the style, it's just the white against blue emphasizes the leg movements as well.
	The dress uniform.
	The dress uniform.
	Very smart.
	Stand up straight.
	do it properly.
	Yeah.
	I was, I was quite unimpressed with the slouching nature of this.
	Here's just military units one by.
	Maybe that's why the Marines are regarded as the top lot, because they can actually march.
	There's no excuse.
	I kind of did think at the background, when you see that, that's a bit of Britain there with a red.
	We put it in.
	Putting in our red bits there.
	The juxtaposition on the band.
	That'll be the band.
	And people know of, quite fairly famously, they're like...
	Did they have that in the event as well?
	I didn't see it.
	But this is brilliant.
	I just love this.
	So they are capable of precision, right?
	Yeah.
	So it'd be nice if they do the military parade again next year or every year going forward.
	Have everyone in that parade as smart as this.
	Yeah.
	No reason not to.
	And I would like to see this in the Olympic Games.
	Gun spinning.
	Gun spinning and see all the different countries.
	Because they do it pretty well in the Czech Republic as well.
	When they do, if you've been to Prague, they come out I think every few hours and they have a couple of people who march around and spin a few of their weapons around as well.
	I mean guns that is their weapons.
	Prague is well known for other things, but spinning their weapons around is pretty good.
	And who else do it?
	The Chinese?
	They're pretty good at, you know, a few guns.
	This is why the leftists are like, It's like, oh, this is like military dictatorships.
	You ain't seen nothing yet.
	This was a D-minus.
	We can do A+.
	We can do it.
	Wait till next year.
	The thing is, it's like, are you just learning that America has a national army?
	Like, oh, today I learned that we have a military force and they can march.
	Well, they can't march, but they should march.
	Some can.
	Some can.
	I mean, it's like, they should rightly be proud of it.
	Yes, absolutely.
	I mean, the US military, as I say, in terms of sort of battlefield prowess, it is the best in the world.
	I mean, so...
	There you are.
	You don't like the military.
	You don't like what we stand for.
	You don't like the Constitution.
	The Mexicans are coming in down below.
	The gangs are there ready.
	I'll tell you what we'll do.
	We'll leave you to the gangs for a couple of years.
	We're just going to stand on the borders with our military, where it is, Arizona, Texas.
	We'll let you take them on for a couple of years.
	And when you're actually grateful, when you realise that we're there to protect you, we'll come in and wipe it up.
	But in the meantime, you might need to suffer a bit.
	If we see how the Russians are doing it, look, the massed ranks.
	The massed ranks.
	Proper straight back.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, look at them marching on the side.
	Yeah.
	And, yeah, I just...
	I like the different shades, the red and the greens and the gold coming out there.
	I think that's a fashion show now, aren't we?
	No, it's the discipline.
	That's the thing that concerns me the most.
	That's brilliant.
	Yeah, or if you're going to have sort of a full military parade, the Chinese do it very well.
	Wait, what link?
	Is it Chinese?
	Yeah, okay.
	That's a big road.
	That's Tiananmen Square, I believe.
	I was going to say, I think that's Tiananmen Square.
	Oh, is it?
	Right.
	So, again, just sort of an actual show of prowess, really.
	Yeah, that's straight marching.
	So it's a little bit different.
	And a kick.
	They're showing what they can do.
	It does make what the Americans did look a bit lacklustre.
	Yeah, it looked unprofessional.
	Yeah, a little bit thrown together, a little bit cobbled together at the last minute.
	Clearly America isn't having enough military parades.
	Well, they aren't really.
	If they do it year after year after year, they'll get better, I'm sure.
	Oh, no doubt.
	Yeah, and let's not get started on how North Korea do it.
	It's that time of year again.
	Welcome to North Korea.
	Turn the volume off on it?
	How do you turn the volume off on this?
	Samson, can you turn the volume off on that?
	Just mute the tab.
	Oh.
	He's going to do it for me.
	Alright.
	And then play it for us.
	Is this a good one?
	Well, they just do it because their whole...
	Their entire regime is...
	Depends upon the perception of their military, don't they?
	The South Koreans also do choreographed military stuff very, very well.
	Well, if the Iranians had learnt from the North Koreans, they wouldn't be where they are today.
	Is he dressed like George Galloway?
	Yeah.
	Across between Al Capone and George Galloway.
	Are you sure it isn't George Galloway?
	They're a number one George Galloway fan.
	Look at that.
	A bit space ogy there, don't you?
	Actually putting on a full show.
	Yeah.
	Okay, it just so happened that the weekend, the British had a bit of a military.
	Oh, did we?
	A bit of a military show.
	They've done a good job.
	One that we have every year.
	The Trooping of the Colour for the Monarchs' Belt Day.
	Did anyone fall off the horse exhausted again?
	No, not that I saw.
	Not this time.
	Turn the sound off, because people just can't hear you talking over the sound.
	Okay.
	I did want to hear some of the...
	Okay, well then don't talk over it.
	The ferocious dressing that was going on to get them all...
	I mean, the Coldstream Guards and the Troopers of the Colour, it's like in the order of 375 years old.
	So it's older...
	This is the OG.
	It's all in the United Kingdom.
	I mean, let's listen to him, actually, what he says here.
	I might have just missed him saying something.
	He was saying that this is what one of Napoleonic was the ability to do this in battle under fire Yeah, is to slowly I This is what beat Napoleon.
	Things like this.
	It goes on and on and on, but there's lots of great stuff.
	The thing that this all was, I mean, it's all quite archaic now and anachronistic because obviously modern battlefields just aren't like old battlefields, but it really was about moving bodies of troops around under harsh conditions.
	So to make sure that your disciplined soldiers could be at the right place at the right time to actually win the battle.
	A bit anachronistic.
	And the Americans can always say, well, you know what?
	That's true.
	We're not marching so well, but we are winning a lot of wars, aren't we?
	We're winning a lot of battles, at least.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Well, numbers of men and the amount they're put into kind of military technology, it just outweighs what we can do.
	I mean, you look at the sizes.
	I don't know if you've ever been to Tiananmen Square or Moscow Square.
	I have not.
	No, I've not.
	I mean, I'd love to go and see.
	I mean, this is Horse Gar's Parade.
	It's not quite on the scale.
	That's what I was going to say.
	This looks like an overgrown hockey pitch nowadays when you get down there because it's actually not as big as even when it looks on the screen.
	Yeah, it's not.
	Let's just listen to it.
	They'll do like the pinwheel.
	The him of the British Grenadiers.
	No point talking about the Grenadiers.
	Anyway, yeah, that's the hymn of the British Grenadiers.
	But yeah, doing all this sort of thing, it's sort of the original stuff.
	the Trooping of the Colour where the the battle flag And again, keeping in the stylish thing, beautiful red, black trousers there, makes the leg movements really work well when they're marching properly.
	No slouching there.
	Yeah, that pinwheel movement is very, very difficult, I'm given to understand.
	So, yeah, just hopefully...
	I've never done it myself.
	I just feel like the Trump's military parade was good and good on them but Dial it up next time.
	Yeah, the old world's looking and going, wow.
	You haven't been practicing this.
	Actually compete with the Chinese and the Russians and the British Army.
	Yeah, and the thing is, the Americans are usually quite proud in this sort of way and like to have a big spectacle.
	So the fact that the military parade wasn't a big spectacle was actually sort of unusual from the American psyche.
	I expected quite a lot out of them and it was just kind of meh.
	Are they going to do it every year?
	I don't know.
	Probably not.
	Probably not.
	I haven't heard that they are, but they should.
	Maybe they should do it once every four years, then.
	You know, just then, and it won't be a king thing.
	Just whichever president has to do it.
	And then it becomes a part of history.
	I'd like to see that.
	I'd like to see them getting to it again.
	So, Scott here, for $5, says, When I was in the Air Cadets as a teenager, our marching was more strict than that.
	You know, I was in the Air Cadets here, and our marching was more strict than that.
	That's why I was watching it like, oh, that's a bit sad.
	I expected a lot better, actually.
	I was in the Cub Scouts and they taught us to march properly.
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So it was just like, what is this?
	You know, anyway.
	OPH UK says, those soldiers are just annoyed because they have to march in the warm weather.
	No excuse, man.
	No excuse.
	And if the warm weather gets too much, you can just faint, okay?
	That's how that works.
	Faint like a man.
	It seems like every year, someone with a bear skin just bump.
	And it's head first.
	No body protection.
	You just got to go the full head.
	Exactly.
	You faint like a goddamn man.
	Make sure you're hospitalised after a faint.
	Otherwise, you're just seen as a weakling.
	If it's too hot for you, then face plant.
	Yeah, exactly.
	With some dignity.
	But it is!
	Anyway, the engaged few says, if I'm not mistaken, those Marines you showed are from the Marine barracks at 8th and 1st Streets in Washington, D.C. They're still Marines, but they're trained for parades.
	Yeah, well, get them out then, moron.
	Scott says, living in Cyprus, I've met British squaddies here.
	They are unimpressive reprobates.
	Yeah?
	And they have been for hundreds of years.
	What's your point?
	And when asked to, they'll also march properly.
	Exactly.
	And win wars.
	On 12 pints of lager the night before.
	This is literally what Bloody Wellington said about bloody infantry.
	They're the mere scum of the earth, but what fine fellows we should make of them.
	It's like, yes, that's the way our armies always worked.
	Redcoats march real well in lines for frontiersmen to shoot.
	I mean, you need the French to come and save you, but anyway, we won't get into it.
	And look how that worked out for the French king.
	Careful, bet the devil you know sometimes.
	The only time the French didn't retreat.
	Yeah.
	Right, so, a bit of drama happened in Minnesota recently as someone decided to assassinate a...
	And this has been described by Governor Tim Waltz as politically motivated, politically targeted violence.
	And the suspected government is a 57-year-old man called Vance Luther Bolter, which is remarkable.
	So we have a very strange occurrence and a very strange profile.
	Of the would-be assassin.
	And there are many questions surrounding this.
	So, as you can see, this is Melissa Hortman and her husband that were killed.
	And State Senator John Hoffman and his wife were wounded.
	And I honestly don't really know why.
	And no one else does either, it seems.
	As the New York Times or Washington Post.
	Not really.
	And it's...
	weirdly we have a manifesto but we're not allowed to see it when they said it was politically motivated Left or right?
	What are we even talking here?
	Well, this is the question.
	it's not readily apparent, right?
	So, Miss Hortman, just for the background on who the lawmakers were who were shot...
	She'd been the Speaker of the Minnesota House of Representatives from 2019 to 2025.
	She was a Democrat and represented a reliably Democrat district.
	She played a key role in passing a trove of bills during the 2023 session when they held a slim majority in the legislature including expanding abortion rights, legalizing recreational marijuana, and requiring employers to offer paid family and medical leave.
	Under her leadership, the Democrats in the House boycotted the early weeks of the legislative session amid a fight for control of the chamber.
	So there's been a bit of a back and forth on this.
	Voters had left the Democrats and Republicans with an equal number of seats in the House, but the challenges of two of the elections won by Democrats created a period of uncertainty around which...
	And one thing that colleagues have repeatedly praised her for, her negotiation skills and pragmatism.
	So while she is a Democrat, she is prepared to work with Republicans and get things done across the aisle.
	Now, candidates for assassination, you would think, would usually be those people who are sort of intransigent, perhaps much more hardline on things, rather than people who are much more collegial.
	About these things.
	Well, that is certainly interesting, because the first thing, once you said she's a Democrat, I was like, oh, well, okay then, so it would be some sort of more right-leaning person that wanted to murder her.
	But when you said, oh, no, she's reached across the aisle-type person, well, it could easily be a far-leftist wanting to murder her from the left.
	But also, the assassin being a 57-year-old man is a weird thing.
	We'll get into it in a minute.
	They're usually young men assassins, aren't they?
	Nearly always.
	Not always, but nearly.
	Almost always.
	And so the second chap, Mr. Hoffman, chaired the Senate's Human Services Committee.
	He was a fourth-term senator, again, in a reliable Democrat area.
	And he says, quote, the hallmark of my approach is collaboration across the aisle.
	He wrote in a letter to his constituents last year.
	I firmly believe the path to progress in our state involves considering input from all perspectives, regardless of which party holds the majority.
	Why would you shoot these guys?
	That's interesting because that's a kind of rarity element that's within politics in America at the moment are senators from the left who are willing to work with those on the right because they still see that as a divide in America, left, right.
	I know that we don't do it over there and we don't see it anymore because it doesn't exist here anymore.
	But over there, they do see that very clearly.
	And on a state level, a state level's not really quite seen as so volcanic.
	When I first looked at this, I thought when the representative said a Minnesota representative and a husband, I thought, oh, we've got someone in Congress here.
	We've got someone in the Senate.
	But then you're going down.
	That's like your local councillor.
	It's a bit more powerful than that.
	Yeah, I know.
	No, I appreciate the concept.
	It's definitely not...
	It's the state level, not the federal level.
	But when you ask the question, why would you?
	Maybe it is exactly that, that from the left you see them as a collaborator.
	Well, it doesn't look like the guy was a leftist.
	That's the thing.
	We know about him.
	We'll get into it.
	So, Hoffman on his campaign website Why are you killing these guys?
	Or attempting to kill that guy?
	They seem fairly reasonable.
	And interestingly, it seems they both voted against allowing illegal immigrants from getting free healthcare from the taxpayer.
	So, okay.
	And they both walked across the aisle to join the Republicans on this one.
	Very reasonable and sensible, you can think, right?
	And Hortman herself gave an interview shortly afterwards.
	And, I mean, listen to the tone.
	I know that people will be hurt by that vote.
	We work very hard to try to get a budget deal that wouldn't include that provision.
	She sounds like you're breaking down.
	Yeah.
	She's explaining that, which makes it sound like, I don't know, someone threatened her or something?
	Well, there's something concerning now.
	I mean, obviously, people get emotional about votes, and it's tiring when you're trying to negotiate, particularly, as you said, crossing the aisle, working with people.
	That's going to be emotionally and intellectually difficult, but that sounds somethings.
	Much harder.
	Has she been threatened?
	I have no idea.
	And that's the thing.
	This is all pretty up in the air at the moment.
	So this is the doorbell camera footage of the assassin.
	As you can see, he's dressed like a police officer.
	He had a police car, or at least a car that looked like a police car, that had flashing lights on it.
	And he was wearing some sort of latex rubber mask.
	Nightmare fuel territory.
	Yeah, it's kind of like the purge.
	That is weird.
	That is frightening.
	So he knocked on their door and they answered it and shot them and their spouses.
	In his car, he apparently had a stack of the No Kings flyers, which is really weird.
	Sorry, this is him saying he had the police vehicle.
	And apparently he had a stack of these flyers in his car that had No Kings written on it.
	It's like, okay.
	So we have a 57-year-old man who somehow has access to a police car.
	Even though he isn't a policeman.
	Although I'll explain maybe how he got this in a minute.
	And in this had these no-king's flyers, which, I mean, forgive me for saying so, but this kind of looks like a plant, right?
	Like, this is not...
	Unless he is an abstract.
	Radical leftist.
	Maybe, but we've got some more information about him.
	Anyway, he was arrested.
	He was actually taken into custody.
	No emotion.
	Look at those eyes.
	Look at that face.
	I don't care, he's saying.
	Yeah, yeah, this is not something that particularly bothers him, right?
	So what do we know about him?
	And this is very weird.
	So he was originally appointed to a board of business development board.
	for the state of Minnesota by 2016 by Mark Dayton, a Democrat who was then the governor, and more recently he was appointed to the same board by Tim Walz.
	He was also, of course, a Democrat.
	The board has 41 members.
	It's not just Democrats on the board.
	It's Democrats and Republicans.
	And its goal is to just improve business development in the state.
	In 2016, he was listed as having none or other as his political affiliation.
	And in 2020, he was listed as having, quote, no party preference.
	They don't have to declare their political affiliation, but he declared his as none, right?
	He did, like, know of these people.
	We've got some evidence in there, because...
	So he obviously knew the senators and was obviously involved with them in some way.
	On a practical basis, if Tim Waltz and the previous governor, who is also a Democrat, Yeah, I'll explain a bit more.
	I would have thought he'd had motivations or leanings towards them at least.
	Well, it's hard to say because he was appointed to a business development board because he was a businessman.
	He was the general manager of a 7-Eleven in Minneapolis.
	He'd worked with the general manager of a gas station in St. Paul.
	In 2017, he'd been an executive at an energy company.
	More recently, on his LinkedIn, he'd been the executive of a company called Red Lion Group.
	That's a bit of a stretch.
	From being a general manager in a 7-Eleven to a guy in the Republic of Congo.
	NGO USAID funded organisation.
	Maybe.
	Very, very weird.
	He'd apparently delivered several sermons at a church in the Democratic Republic of Congo in videos that have been posted online where he appears to criticise gay and transgender people.
	In one he said, quote, There's people, especially in America, they don't know what sex they are, they don't know the sexual orientation, they're confused, the enemy has gotten far into their mind and their soul.
	Weird.
	Okay.
	That's not what a leftist...
	So why the no kings?
	Yeah.
	Right.
	It doesn't add up.
	Right.
	There's things that are explicitly anti-left about him and things that are explicitly leftist about him.
	Yeah, but also he's apparently some sort of businessman.
	Where's the business?
	Well, I mean, he was a manager of a gas station and a 7-Eleven, but how did then...
	That's a manager, that's not...
	Well, sure, sure, but like, you know, he's someone who's involved in business.
	But it goes on.
	So he's had a longtime friend called David Carlson who lives at the same address in Minneapolis where the police executed a search warrant for Bolter.
	And he claims to have been one of his best friends since fourth grade.
	And he said that Bolter rented a room from him and he paid something like four months in advance rent for some reason for this room.
	Apparently, Bolter had also worked in a funeral home.
	He owned guns and had voted for President Trump last year, his alleged friend says.
	Right.
	Okay, why is it the no kings thing, then?
	He's a Trump voter.
	Why has he got this no kings we're against Trump for being a monarch?
	What's going on here, right?
	Carlson had apparently received a text message he had received from Bolter early on Saturday morning in which he wrote that he might be dead soon.
	So clearly this was premeditated and of course you can't have all the latex gear in the police officer's car and stuff like this if you haven't premeditated this in some way.
	So the message did not describe any of the details of the attacks though.
	Fair enough, that seems like it might add up.
	He had never mentioned either of the lawmakers who were shot, and had generally avoided talking about politics.
	Apparently he'd been experiencing financial and mental health challenges.
	So, right.
	Okay.
	Another interesting thing is that Bolter and his wife run a private security company in Minnesota called Praetorian Guard Security Services, which is presumably where he got the police car?
	But there he is, Dr. Vance Bolter, who's involved with security situations in Eastern Europe, Africa, North America, and the Middle East.
	Right.
	Including the West Bank, Southern Lebanon, and the Gaza Strip.
	That's not the behaviour of a riotist, really, is it?
	Well, yeah, but how did he end up managing a 7-Eleven?
	What is going on?
	So a 7-Eleven, you know, just like a gas station.
	And then he's gone off to, you know, be in a church in Africa, funding an organization out there.
	He's sitting on a board belonging to the government, you know, that's about business, when he's got no palpables apart from this.
	This is the first time we're seeing a business.
	And this business, he's indicating private security all across different parts of the world.
	Yeah.
	How did he get these sorts of connections, right?
	And then throw the no kings on top of that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Complete curveball.
	Throw the no kings on top of this.
	The more data points you're giving me, the more I'm thinking, oh, he is just an anti-Democrat rightist type person.
	But then they say there are data points that suggest the opposite of that.
	I mean, to be honest with you, I'm starting to think that actually he's probably a fad.
	He brings a great security aspect forged by both many ground experiences combined with training both private military firms and people in the US military.
	He's worked for the largest US oil refinery company, the world's largest food company, and the world's largest convenience-based retailer.
	It's on his website.
	So, this is what I mean.
	Is LinkedIn, did it seem to say that, you know, I've worked for the largest oil company, worked for the largest food company, in what capacity?
	I worked as a security guard in the Gaza Strip.
	What is going on here?
	This now seems to indicate someone with military background control lots of people from military backgrounds who've gone out to these areas have ended up doing security companies.
	So, why the background issue?
	No idea, but it turns out his wife also worked for Walls.
	Okay.
	Which is a bit weird.
	She, like, that's weird.
	She worked from him in Washington, D.C. in the early 2010s when he was a congressman.
	Okay.
	What is going on here?
	2010, 15 years ago for working for Walsh as a congressman.
	You know, it's a small, again, thing.
	There's nothing to it, necessarily, but this is a bit weird, right?
	Anyway, so the guy had a manifesto, and...
	Okay, but what was the other bit that it was comprised of?
	There were lots of Democrats listed in the manifesto.
	For some reason, it's not going to be released.
	I don't know why.
	Why is it not going to be released?
	I would like to know what was in the manifesto.
	Thank you very much.
	Because I think there might be some pertinent information in there.
	Normally, when it's a right-wing manifesto, it's like, here you go, he was a Nazi.
	Well, if it was a right-wing manifesto, they would have had that out straight away, just to discredit the right.
	I would have thought so.
	I mean, when they did that with Anders in Norway, with his manifesto, they couldn't get that out quick enough to turn out and paint him as a radical right-wing fascist, ready to kill anybody for his views.
	Is this more left-wing?
	If you're a 57-year-old man with so much invested in...
	State senators as well.
	Moderate state senators, or try to assassinate one of them, he survived, and their wives, who are working across the aisle to, and the latest thing seems to have been, to make sure that illegal immigrants don't get free healthcare.
	This doesn't add up at all.
	There is definitely something about this that is simply not being explained.
	Yeah, and maybe the whole situation glows.
	Well, a drunk changeling says, well, this clothes are brighter than Chernobyl.
	It's like, well, that's the thing, isn't it?
	I don't know what, like, Praetorian Guard services, I mean, what a terrible name, for protection, for a security service, right?
	Praetorian Guard?
	We'll end up killing the people we're supposed to be protecting, like the Praetorian Guard.
	We'll extort them until they, you know, or we'll kill them.
	And if they don't pay, we kill them.
	But the Praetorian Guard's like kings.
	So why no kings?
	They were protecting kings.
	The Caesars.
	The Praetorian guards were terrible.
	And they were just basically a gang that held the Emperor's hostage.
	One thing I would say, just as something to say rather than any actual real evidence or anything, is that the intelligence services, what they often do with something like this, if they are involved in it, what they then do is just try and layer as many layers of obfuscation and...
	Yeah.
	Just to make the story as complex as possible.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So everyone, you have to end up saying, oh, well, it's just weird, and we don't know actually what happened or why.
	He just happens to have a bunch of No Kings things in his book.
	I mean, yeah, they're just in his boot for some reason.
	And the fact that you've got white, if you're...
	Why cover your face?
	You're not really going to make a big deal about trying to get away.
	Like, Right?
	So, anyway, like I said, I don't know what this is all about.
	frankly it glows but why target these two people?
	It's like she's already been informed of something.
	Yeah.
	She's been told about something.
	Maybe it's to send messages to other Democrats like, don't cross the aisle!
	Maybe.
	Because this is what will happen to you if you do.
	Maybe it's something like pharmaceutical companies.
	like hang on a second that's money we're not going to get I don't know.
	You know, who knows?
	But, like, there's clearly something in the background here that's gone...
	One of the things I often find about the States, so when you get these characters, like the people who attempted to assassinate Trump, we don't really know a great deal about their real background, and it disappears.
	We see the name.
	The interest goes.
	But we never get to see a full documentary story about these individuals, where they are, what their background.
	We don't hear the families who have talked about them, where they grew up in school.
	Anything like that.
	And then, of course, we all get the plants.
	We've seen the movies where they plant individuals to give...
	Do we actually know he was a friend?
	No, we don't.
	That's why I called him allegedly.
	Because, I mean, the New York Times just says, well, his friend from grade four, but...
	And he's like, okay, but this guy was appointed by Tim Waltz and another Democrat, and yet suddenly he, you know, but in fact he's actually, like, a Trump supporter who's very much against abortion and stuff like that.
	It's like, really?
	I mean, but who didn't talk about politics, apparently.
	It's like, okay, okay, Tim Waltz, and yeah.
	2010, when she would have been early to mid-30s, looking at their age group, which meant that she must have picked that up.
	At least being political in our 20s at university to get into there because you just don't walk in to working for a congressman unless either you're part of the party apparatchik and you've grown there through early campaigning or you've been funded by mum and dad who's given a big donation into the congressman or senator to get you to work.
	He manages a petrol station and then he's in it.
	Central Africa and also doing security elsewhere.
	Which central?
	Was it Congo?
	Congo, yeah.
	Well, there was military kind of intelligence out there.
	There was warfare thing in Congo.
	Was he doing that after being a manager of a 7-Eleven?
	What are you talking about?
	It's definitely weird to be involved in private military contracting and managing a 7-Eleven.
	Just that.
	How does that happen?
	One of those or both of those are not true, surely.
	How can they both be true?
	Was he being a priest in the Congo, a cover where he talks about gay advice?
	He went out and tried to shoot the Russians who were there at the same time.
	No idea.
	But anyway, so unfortunately, unsatisfactory as it is, I have no idea.
	I just want to lay out just the strange contradictions and weird data points of this, because it is absolutely not at all self-evident as to what's happened here.
	So anyway, Bo, can I have that mouse, please?
	Sigilstone says he probably bought the police car by buying a second hand.
	Yeah, I was thinking that surplus thing.
	Yeah, police departments sell military surplus.
	And says, I don't know what this guy looks like because every time his photo is shown, my screen blazes with a blinding green light.
	Yeah, honestly, who knows?
	There is a very long, deep story behind all of this.
	A 57-year-old guy doesn't just go and shoot two moderate state senators.
	Over nothing.
	And the fact that she came out a couple of days before looking terrified makes me think this is about money, this is about contracts, and she was threatened.
	And even if he does glow, that still raises loads more questions.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, which organisation is he some sort of asset for?
	And how is it in their interest in any way to kill these couple of people?
	Yeah.
	Huge unanswered questions.
	But anyway, we'll move on.
	Or could there be a law case?
	We've seen them where actually someone is going to be found out in a big company and they don't want it hidden in terms of this.
	Could be any number of things.
	Okay.
	Grooming gangs.
	Grooming gangs.
	Two words.
	Two words that we, as adults, should be frightened of.
	Should be angry about.
	We should be really aggressively pursuing those people involved in the grooming gangs.
	It should be something that you'd expect the police to be jumping on straight away, social services and councils, to be able to work every single day to annihilate and remove the grooming gangs.
	I'm far too long in the tooth to think about that.
	And I think about it in terms of our natural history as a country, that within us we should be capable of saying grooming gangs is not acceptable.
	But, as we see on this, in terms of KT Lamb, most grooming gangs, very clearly white, very clearly working class, very clearly mainly northern cities, although there are spread across it.
	But grooming gangs there we know existed, and it's been there for a long time.
	The thing is, we know that this data is highly faulty.
	So even something like 40% of them, they don't record the ethnicity.
	Why would you not do that?
	I think that's particularly an image that when we look at it, and when I look at it, I still think about those men, how many of them there are, how evil they are.
	We can literally look at the people who are arrested and actually charged, and be like, right, okay, so most of them are Pakistanis.
	These are the ones that were caught.
	This is the evil that sits around us, stands around us, passes us on the streets, and therefore again, once again.
	Why are we not seemingly having a country that is just up in arms, chasing down every one of these, looking after them?
	One quick thing to say is that they'll only be the tip of the iceberg.
	They're the only ones that the CPS can get a prosecution against.
	There'll be 10, 100 times more men involved.
	And we estimate 250,000 girls over the past 20 years.
	We look at over 50 towns in which these have been...
	But instead of what we're feeling morally angry about and morally unacceptable and we feel that we should be saying right from the start something should have been done and why wasn't it?
	We have a Prime Minister that when it was raised early on in this year simply turned around and denied it.
	denied that there should be an opportunity to pursue these properly through a national grooming gang inquiry despite the fact that everybody had been calling for it prior to that the work had been done people like tommy robinson who'd come out in the early days have identified this in luton in his local area spread it across across the country talking about We've known through victims of themselves coming through.
	But no.
	And, of course, a national inquiry Professor Jay carried out for seven years had 20 recommendations, none of which actually were implemented by the party opposite when they were in government.
	Now, this is a really serious issue.
	We must focus, obviously, on the victims and survivors.
	There's no fixed view on the victims and survivors about a further national inquiry.
	There are mixed views.
	But there is a view, and I share this view, that what is needed now is action on what we already know.
	We already know, myself from personal knowledge when I was Chief Prosecutor, The Chief Prosecutor that ignored most of the offences that went out there, a Chief Prosecutor, only one individual to pursue a few of them whilst he was there.
	And what I look on this when he tries to, first of all, say, we've already had inquiries.
	There weren't, and I've looked at those inquiries, I looked at the Casey reports, not one of those inquiries dealt specifically With a national recommendation to deal with Pakistani grooming gangs.
	It talked in generalities about crime.
	It didn't specifically deal with the cases of these individuals.
	And it certainly didn't look at the way that people had been ignored and those people complicit with the cases.
	Whether it was the civil servants, the probation, the police, the counsellors.
	It ignored all of them.
	And I look at the nodding dogs in this.
	Their heads nodding away like pathetic little children in the big of a playing field.
	And one of them, who supposedly says that I protect women, look after women, turning around saying zero about the inquiries.
	But it's very clear here, we have a Prime Minister only in January turns around and says, I'm not interested and we're not going to deal with it.
	Is it to do with the fact of the nationality of the people in the picture we saw before?
	Or are we being generous, saying, no, he feels that it's nothing to...
	After all, he said, in his words there, that those victims didn't really want another.
	So there are a few just glaring, obvious points here.
	The first being, yeah, we know what the nationality of the grooming gang is.
	I mean, that's not been a secret for a long time.
	You can see why the Prime Minister of the Labour Party, like, we don't need any further inquiries.
	Yeah, because the further inquiries will reveal the complicity and the linkage between the Labour Party and the gangs themselves.
	That's the issue.
	It will just show that you guys are culpable.
	Someone like Maggie Oliver has done sterling work over the years on this stuff.
	And most people like us say we want to see actual people brought to account.
	We want individual dozens, hundreds, maybe thousands of individual policemen, Social services.
	Social services to be brought, least of all the actual criminals, the actual men, all of them brought to account a true, bringing it out into the light of day, truly, for real.
	There are a bunch of them where it would be a ten-year-old girl who's being groomed and they'd be like, okay, she's a prostitute.
	No, she's not.
	He's a victim.
	There's no such thing as a ten-year-old prostitute.
	Absolutely.
	And that's why I say those two words are a national scandal.
	And those two words are a historic national scandal.
	And those two words are the things that drive us.
	Primarily, you on the show, before I arrived, and many of your presenters have pushed this as an agenda, along with others like Maggie Oliver, that it should never leave the public consciousness because of the vile aspects of it and the reason that we are who we are, which is wanting to have a just solution to this, a just cause for these people.
	In recent times, even Elon and Rupert Lowe sort of insisting that it's not going to be...
	Come through bits of that.
	One other quick thing I'll say is, I mean, you might, But there were a few, very, very small number of, I think, senior Manchester police that were sort of essentially forced to retire early.
	Like, that's it.
	That's it.
	That's the only real justice that has been seen.
	And it's just not good enough, is it?
	No, it's not.
	And what's good enough is, obviously, we see the Prime Minister there saying, I don't want it.
	I don't need it.
	This is back in January.
	In January.
	And then I thought I also had the, And then this vile human being, and I say this with a few words.
	Except Powell's apology, do you think it was vacuous?
	Powell, who turned around and said it was a dog whistle.
	Pause it if you want to talk, because we can't hear you.
	So in this particular incident, we remember Lucy Powell, an MP, turning around and saying it's a dog whistle if you raise the issue.
	Keir Starmer said it was a far-right bandwagon.
	The Prime Minister turning around and saying it's a far-right aspect about it, and I think we've come in this.
	So we have this, and then all of a sudden, just over the weekend, we have the Prime Minister now announcing a national inquiry into Groomingrands, and I'm happy for that.
	I'm delighted, finally.
	He had to be pressured into it.
	That was the way the Guardian framed it.
	Keir Starmer caves to the pressure.
	It's like, okay, but where was the pressure coming from?
	It wasn't from Nigel Farage and Reform.
	No.
	It was coming from Rupert Lowe and the fact that he raised £600,000 and is currently conducting his own non-staturatory national inquiry into it.
	Apparently hundreds of victims have come forward, loads of stuff has come out already that they've got.
	And so you can see where he's like, well, okay, I've been dragged into this by...
	Yeah, this is a Prime Minister that has tried to hide everything so far.
	When it comes to, like, charging people and removing the benefits for old-age pensioners for heating allowance, he's been made to do a U-turn on that, and so many different U-turns.
	But not only that, he goes a little bit further than just announcing.
	A grooming gang.
	He goes, now we're going to have a new police operation to target the grooming gangs nationwide.
	Well, I already thought we had one of those.
	I thought when he talked about his speeches and he gave those speeches, he already said we're already targeting it.
	Didn't we say we need action?
	We're taking action.
	So why is it now that we have this new police force led by the National Crime Agency?
	Isn't that their job in the first instance?
	Isn't their job to analyse what are the biggest crimes that we've got in this country?
	And I would have put grooming gangs at the top.
	And I would have put that above drug dealing, to be honest.
	Oh, yeah, way above.
	It's got to be way above it.
	Drug dealing's bad, but it's not like this.
	Yeah.
	Young girls is worse than actually someone snorting cocaine.
	I want to deal with them both.
	I want it all out of the way.
	I want to deal with that because it leads to murder and aiding abetting deaths in other countries.
	But this is way serious.
	So why is it only now?
	It's not just rape.
	It's often gang rape or even torture and stuff.
	But you absolutely raise the good point.
	why this extra level of policing now oh yeah i thought we haven't had a national inquiry before but there have been other sort of investigations and inquiries internally and i thought they came to the conclusion that we've sorted it all out now and we've got our house in order now and it won't happen again we were told that weren't we a number of times absolutely and i think it's coming down to some of the things we've already touched upon first of all might be but if i get It's a lot easier to do that.
	It's next, isn't it, on there?
	Well, maybe not.
	I don't know which is the next one.
	There we go.
	So we start, obviously, this.
	I think, you know, when we play this, I'm going to let people hear it, obviously.
	They've heard it.
	This was Tucker Carlson October 7th last year.
	You know, this is for the rejection.
	Yeah, Britain, they're...
	How can this be real?
	They are releasing convicted pedophiles from prison in order to put people in prison for Facebook posts.
	There were, and I'm simply stating a fact, there were migrant rape gangs in England that were gangs that would run around and prey on young girls, gang rape them.
	And some people found that objectionable.
	Yeah, people found that objectionable.
	But it takes an American citizen, a South African, with a lot of money to actually suddenly concern The elites in this country.
	It was more the size of his platform.
	Yeah.
	200 million people were suddenly seeing Elon going on a rampage on New Year's Day about rape gangs in England.
	It must have been an absolute nightmare for the Labour Party.
	And not only that, it opened up the doors for America and people like Don Keith, the real Don Keith and others.
	Then all across we saw them.
	Big speakers in America, right up to Trump himself, talking about this particular issue.
	So the pressure had been done for years from the likes of Tommy Robinson and others, but also the women themselves.
	And then I remember this particular one.
	Starmer was complicit with the rape of Britain when he was head of the Crown Prosecution.
	This caused a massive storm within the Labour Party.
	But now we've got this political pressure that's being applied.
	On the government, on the civil service, for something that they've ignored by a man with a platform, power and influence in the United States.
	And if you remember rightly, they were saying, oh, this could have a real impact on Mandelson as the ambassador.
	And I think that was one of the big pushing points.
	And then the women continued.
	The women didn't give up.
	And we should be honouring these people.
	If there's anyone that should be getting knighthoods, anyone getting MBEs, anyone getting OBEs, anyone should be lauded.
	It is people like this who went out and carried on raging.
	I don't know whether we should...
	Yeah, no, this one.
	I haven't seen this.
	How can you sit there and deny everything you've done?
	How can you do it?
	You can't even look me in the face!
	Can you?
	Look!
	Look at all the hair you've got to us girls!
	All the hair!
	Just give me God's living now with our families!
	You've done nothing to support us, nothing to support!
	I've had to go to my own!
	And that was last week!
	I've had to live with this for 12 bloody years!
	And why do you, when you've still got your job, you should stand down!
	Stand down!
	So all across the country, whether it's new organisations like the Women's Safety UK or those who talked about Maggie Oliver, but it's these women who have been fighting on their own, really, with no mass organisation to help them until only the past couple of years, that had to go to council meetings like that and rage to the people who were in their jobs who didn't do their jobs.
	I'd like to see the picture of those individuals.
	Because instead of having an image of all those Pakistanis who committed the crime, we should be also having images of all those people who did nothing.
	All the councillors, all the police inspectors and overseers, whatever they call them.
	The entire edificer is just disgusting.
	Absolutely disgusting.
	And I would like to see a billboard in the centre of any town with all their faces.
	And I quite frankly don't care about GDPR.
	I don't care about their lives.
	These people ignored women like that.
	But they carried on fighting.
	Ilongos may have had the power.
	But without their groundwork carrying on.
	And these people here, I won't play this.
	this is in February, a million women march rally across the country demanding a national...
	It's literally the victims that were suppressed by the institutions.
	The grooming gangs themselves were allowed to just victimise them for years, and now there's just so many of them.
	They're like, look, we demand justice.
	It's like a plague.
	There is literally a plague on these children all across the country and the women across this country.
	And we've gone back and we've seen what our politicians have done, and it's taken their continued hard work, and we must never take that away from them.
	As I say, I think every one of them should be honoured for what they're doing.
	What a remarkable thing it is that Sir Keir Starmer, His Majesty's Prime Minister, was head of the CPS at that time.
	That's crazy.
	It's not like he was some rural MP that didn't have any grooming It wasn't that.
	No, he was head of the CPS.
	Madness.
	The Crown Prosecution Service.
	I mean, he could have had a national inquiry at that time.
	It was his job.
	Using his office.
	To prosecute those people.
	It's like when you get an ex-home secretary saying, oh, couldn't do anything about the boat people.
	It's like, no.
	You could have done.
	You could have done.
	Well, my understanding of it is that as the head of the CPS and the DPP, you have a responsibility to be able to discuss with chief constables across the country, what are their priorities in terms of offences and cases, and how are we going to deal with those priorities in getting the natural resources to be able to handle any offences.
	So for me, it strikes me as unusual, at the very least, to suggest that there wasn't that capability and knowledge that the authorities, It's more the lack of interest.
	And that's what I think it was.
	I think it was other resources, other issues were far more important to them.
	And why is it far more important?
	All through the Blair years, these women were just derided when they were girls.
	They were derided as just being low-quality, low-class.
	They were the ones causing trouble.
	They were prostitutes.
	They were just promiscuous.
	They were promiscuous.
	They were drug addicts.
	They deserve it.
	And there was a particular line that...
	I can't remember who it was in the Labour Party.
	They've chosen this lifestyle, is the term that was used, Oh, that was Naz Shah.
	Shut up for the sake of diversity.
	But this is why I'm all the more patriarchal than I used to be.
	No, children don't choose like that.
	Ten-year-olds don't choose.
	And even if they could choose, they shouldn't choose.
	And even if they could choose, it's our responsibility as adults to take them and remove them from that danger.
	Because that's what we do as adults.
	That's what we do as a caring society.
	But then, of course, you've talked about it, the rape gang inquiry from Rupert Lowe, initial evidence submission.
	And you're quite right to have pointed this out already.
	There are really important elements to this about that inquiry by Rupert Lowe.
	So you've got the pressure from Elon Musk and the Americans.
	You have the girls and the women who've been campaigning for a long time persistent.
	And then we have the Rupert Lowe issue, and I think here with Sammy Woodhouse, who we know herself.
	You know, a victim has gone out travelling the country as part of the work of the rape gang inquiry and gathering that evidence, Carl, that you've talked about very clearly to keep the pressure on.
	It's been released.
	Yeah.
	Slowly and surely, we're seeing more of this.
	And the fact out there that governments were still trying to ignore it.
	But I think these kind of amounts to the levels of drip, drip pressure that are coming into this.
	But there's a little bit more to it, I think, now.
	The grooming inquiry come here is that this.
	Is one of the quotes that are coming out.
	Baroness Casey, when she first got the job from Keir Starmer, says here, was not really that interested in having another inquiry.
	She basically was saying, I don't think there is a need to do, but I'm going to do it.
	I'm going to look at it.
	I think so far everything that I've seen doesn't lead me to view.
	That was the case.
	And indeed, I think it's the Minister for Education who's been put out today, across the waves, is saying exactly that.
	Baroness Casey did not think there was a need for a new inquiry at the time, but now...
	This is my reservation about the whole thing.
	Of course I want justice.
	Of course.
	There's a problem, though, with this often.
	This type of national inquiry.
	I mean, to the point where it is cliche in the 70s or 80s that Yes Minister or Yes Prime Minister will talk about it.
	It's that what they do is they pick the right person to head the inquiry, like picking the right judge.
	You pick the right person, and at the end of it all, they come to conclusions that are in the interest of the establishment, that are in the interest of still not getting any justice.
	And then they can say, you've had your national inquiry, all the investigation has been done, there's literally nothing more that can be done from a judicial point of view, now go away and shut up forever.
	And I fear, like the various inquiries they had about the Iraq war, or the COVID inquiry, just pure whitewash, an exercise in whitewash.
	That's what I feel.
	I welcome a national inquiry.
	I want justice.
	Will this deliver that?
	I don't know.
	I fear it won't.
	I fear it will be once again an exercise in a whitewash.
	And you have got one of the most incredibly strong points about that.
	Appointing someone.
	Because I take this and the previous clip.
	Baroness Casey, known for all the reviews that she's done.
	seen as a safe pair of hands, a classic civil servant, so far has done the job on a number of reviews, including, as you said, the Rotherham sexual exploitation cases, her own review, which I said, said nothing really of any importance, hence the reason why the Conservatives didn't implement anything.
	And there she was at the beginning saying, I don't want to have any inquiry, I don't think I'll need a national inquiry.
	They've chosen that safe pair of hands, just as you said.
	I've got the right person.
	We all respect her, both sides.
	And if she doesn't do a job, then okay, we can say she's looked at it properly.
	But, you know, Maggie Oliver goes out and says, I had two private meetings with Baroness Casey the past three months, taken ten survivors to meet her, share horrific experiences.
	She called me yesterday to update me.
	What has changed?
	What has taken the career safe hand we're going to put her in place?
	And I think this is where I'm going to move towards to show you that, This is a massive class issue.
	Yeah, it's a hugely class issue.
	And I think she may well...
	Fingers crossed that's the case.
	Fingers crossed.
	And I think there's another reason why Labour's suddenly changed.
	I think she might start to see there is a link between illegal migration with the violence perpetrated against the girls.
	Okay, but there's a link between legal migration, which is much more important.
	Yeah, but I think we're also linking two, which gives two, Obviously, none of us have seen what she said.
	I haven't seen the evidential criminality numbers about it that would link illegal migration.
	But if both of them are in there, the legal migrants that we've got and the illegal migrants, it now creates an enormous headache for the Labour Party in a party that's saying we need to stop the boats and they're going to just basically sign through.
	Hundreds of 30,000 people are going to get granted asylum so we can shove them out of hotels and put them into housing across the country.
	And I'm trying to move...
	Quite right.
	Absolutely, 100%.
	We want justice for them.
	And now, we've also got the civil service.
	So I'm going to turn around and say, what are the reasons now that they're coming out?
	First of all, I think, Carl, exactly what they said, is that get the safe pair of hands, let's brush it aside.
	The safe power of hands is now balked.
	There's something there that she's going to come out and she's given the Prime Minister and her team saying, I'm going to have the National Enquiry.
	Something needs to be done.
	Then we have people turning around saying we should be jailing all these civil servants.
	And then we have what Dominic Cummings said.
	There was mass cover-ups of the whole thing for the same reason that we've already alluded to.
	Fear.
	Fear of the political consequences of facing reality.
	What I saw in 2011, I mean, there are lots of different things.
	Normally in Whitehall, the cliche that it's a cock-up, not a conspiracy, is generally true.
	The one big exception, I would say, is regarding child abuse, where there are actually multiple conspiracies constantly, and largely successful.
	I watched these happening repeatedly in the Department of Education because the issue was parked there by Gordon Brown and Ed Balls, so I had to deal with it when I was there.
	I would watch the Redacted documents and the actual unredacted documents about lots of these cases, and you can see that the redacted documents are redacted entirely to hide the incompetence of the system.
	Now, what happened on the gangs is that when Andrew Norfolk at the time started to try to report the issue, the council went to officials inside the Department of Education and said, we want to bring a judicial review.
	To have the courts suppress the Times' reporting and not allow it to happen.
	Right.
	Cummings in there.
	Some like him, some don't.
	I personally mix views.
	I quite like him on some things many, many times.
	And on this issue, he's beginning to highlight not the cock-up theory, which we've all talked about, but a deliberate...
	First of all, in terms of the redacted and under-redacted documents.
	Secondly, they talk about councils.
	Councils seeking judicial reviews to suppress the media's cases about it.
	And then he goes on, because I didn't want to play it for too long, he then talks about how within the Department of Education and Government, they had one side, yes, let's suppress them, another side saying this is appalling.
	And what I think we've got to look at is...
	And here we have an individual within government saying there was definitely a conspiracy.
	the reason they're calling it is because they now need to get hold of the narrative.
	Yeah.
	They want to get there so that they can take control to start suppressing the ideas that these people should be imprisoned and start to decide Which ones are going to be saved, and who can we find out as the sacrificial lambs?
	That's stage one of this inquiry.
	It would have been nice if Dominic had done a bit more at the time when he was actually in power, wouldn't it?
	It would have been nice being a bit more vocal at the time.
	In the interest of time, we're going to have to move on there.
	So I'm moving rapidly.
	Point two.
	You've got the gang inquiry here from Rupert Lowe.
	He's listed out a whole series of questions, and I think this is important.
	Another reason why they want to get hold of the narrative is they want to be able to put their own evidence and control the evidence, control the people, control the evidence, so that we can get the conclusions that protect at least some, but if not all, of it.
	Also, I think a third point is the...
	So there is a political reason to say the Labour Party are tarnished with this in so many ways on that.
	And I think, really, this is incredible for me, is when I look at this research that was done about the polling, how people turn around and say, Voters think that Labour were covering up the Green Games.
	A third of them think that the authorities were covering it up because they're scared of being racist or inflaming community tensions.
	Of course, you'd expect more from reform, there we go, and you'd expect a little bit more.
	Sickening.
	It's disgusting.
	I despise them.
	Yeah, I do.
	I mean, you just got to look at them and even the Liberal Democrats, which is not a party generally that I see as being friendly towards working-class individuals at all.
	Basically, no one's buying that it was properly investigated.
	Hardly anyone actually buys that.
	Either they were covering it up or it was incompetent.
	Say, like, well, I mean, like three quarters of people.
	Yeah.
	Only a quarter of people are like, well, you know.
	But look at the numbers.
	8% of Labour think it was properly investigated by the authorities.
	Now, okay, that's relatively small numbers.
	But I'm looking at those stats, and I see that even in the Labour Party, it's one of the lowest numbers.
	Obviously, the Green Party is the lowest number of people that think it was deliberately covered up.
	I'm glad that they see 35%.
	But for me, it's still shocking that there is only 35%.
	It's shocking that I don't see them all up there at 70s and 80%.
	Because it's clear, not just from what Dominic Cummings has said, not because we know about the way of weapons of mass destruction, which was a deliberate lie by our elites to take us into an illegal war, not because we know historically.
	But because we've got something as dangerous as this.
	And I think at the end, I'm going to finish with this.
	This is Samantha Smith on X. Labour does not speak to me.
	Labour did not fight for me when I was groomed and abused, nor the thousands of children abused and killed.
	It's slightly emotional to think about it.
	It is slightly emotional.
	She's gone through it.
	Labour just didn't care until it became politically inconvenient for them.
	And it's been politically convenient for them now.
	Honestly, I think that's given too much credit.
	I think they're in favour of it.
	Until it became too much of a hot issue.
	Now that they've been dragged into it.
	Anyway.
	There we go.
	Let's go to the video comments, Samson.
	Hiroshin Shinban says, Just vote for Reform UK.
	Zee Youssef will save your daughters.
	I tell you, I'm annoyed at Reform desperately trying to claim credit for any of this.
	They are not responsible.
	Oh, we'll do an inquiry.
	Okay, where is it, Nigel?
	Nothing happens.
	Lowe has to do it.
	You've kicked him out.
	Disgusting.
	Anyway, let's go to the first video comment.
	Got more questions, but I tell you, if you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain't black.
	I can't believe it.
	Say hi.
	Wakanda, Moeva!
	Wakanda, Moeva!
	I've no idea about any of this, but apparently the new Black Panther's white.
	I heard that.
	Really?
	In the comic.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I think Harry briefly told me that the drawer of it, the artist of it, is a black guy.
	Yeah And he's like pissed off with Oh, really?
	To spit in their eyes, the new Black Panther character is a white boy.
	I don't know if that's true.
	I like that.
	His answer to woke is by being anti-woke.
	Oh, brilliant.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Now this is a Lincoln Cathedral.
	Chapel for the NHS.
	You guys can join me in praying for the NHS.
	I mean, it literally is our only religion at this point.
	Oh my gosh.
	So tired of it, man.
	Yeah, it's quite literally to worship it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's sacred.
	It really is.
	Sorry, go on.
	George Fraser starts with the tale of Diana, the goddess of the hunt, whose grove in Italy was overseen by a priest who exceeded the role by murdering the previous priest, thus becoming likewise vulnerable.
	He then embarks on a worldwide analysis of magic and religion to understand the themes at play and where they are similar, either by believing in the same things or a remarkable inverse.
	Astonishing is the universality of belief in and function of the soul, eventually leading Fraser back to Europe and the mistletoe, which is the golden bough of the title.
	very magical plant.
	I've never even heard of that.
	Very interesting.
	Let's go to the next one.
	This is the Cohoes Falls in Cohoes, New York.
	The Cohoes Falls in Cohoes, New York.
	I couldn't actually hear where that was.
	Very nice though.
	Even something as small scale as that.
	We don't really have anything like it in Britain.
	Very rarely.
	I like it when people send in.
	Anyway, let's get to the written comments.
	Lots of people were upset by the drills.
	Frogger says, we were better drilled than cadets 25 years ago.
	We only practiced once a week.
	Two for those in the guard, which were those fun old vintage Enfields.
	Michael says, as a former Army NCO, I find it disgraceful this lack of discipline.
	Honestly, I was watching it like exactly that.
	It's like, why are they just slouching along?
	They've been warned of this for months, and here are active duty units march like one weekend a month like National Guardsmen.
	I think Eisenhower put it best when asked why he never held military parades like the Soviets during the Cold War.
	He said something along the lines of that he doesn't need to hold a parade to know how strong the military is.
	Sure, fine, that's totally reasonable, but if you're going to hold a military parade...
	You remember, like you said, when I was both in Cub Scouts and Air Cadets, they're like, this is how you hold your hand.
	This is how you...
	And you all do it together again and again and again and again until you're perfectly in unison and lockstep.
	And we're like 13 years old or whatever.
	How can the actual soldiers not do it?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	BleakSteamon says, well, the only excuse, and it's a poor one, is that the 83 degree Fahrenheit and 75% humidity day of the parade, not the most conducive to keeping everyone in the spirit to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the year Sami.
	Thing is, right, it's not about being conducive to the spirit.
	It's like, no, you have a job.
	You have to do it.
	And if you pass out, then fair enough.
	No, I'm not volunteering.
	No, you have to do this.
	Martin says, I think it's important to remember that they've had years of left-wing meddling demoralization.
	Maybe, but I don't think that's an excuse.
	even if you're diverse, gender queer soldiers, you have to march properly.
	Federal agent says, Bolter having these connections from being a 7-Eleven manager feels a lot like how Epstein was hired to teach at the most elite private Yeah, it's a really weird thing, isn't it?
	Good point.
	That's a weird connection.
	Danny says, Something interesting to note for this assassination.
	It was a CEO of a security company with clearance in the Congo, yet never awarded any contracts either foreign or domestic.
	How does that add up?
	It's very weird.
	This is all very, very weird.
	Colin says, Praetorian Guard, named after the troops who protected the Emperor of Rome.
	Odd name for someone who believes in no kings.
	I know, none of this is adding up.
	No, not at all.
	Hex says, the government refused to release the manifesto, tells us all we need to know.
	Yeah, well, to be honest with you, that's the thing, isn't it?
	It's like, look, I know that he's not like a doctrinaire rightist, or else you would have been like, look at how evil these people are.
	You remember the trans shooter who shot like six kids or whatever, and then got shot, and it took literally a year to get the manifesto out, and it was all just, I hate white people, I hate straight people, I hate America.
	Yeah, we know that's what they believe.
	And when it is something that would be in their interest, they release it, like Dylan Roof.
	You actually can see the interview with Dylan Roof, with the police.
	They released the actual interview.
	Or if it's neither here nor there, for example, I think of the Virginia Tech shooter.
	They'll just release his video.
	Yeah.
	Talking about what he thinks and why he did it and all that sort of thing.
	So yeah, it is extremely revealing and telling that they're not revealing this dude's manifesto.
	Yeah.
	I mean, what's the reason not to?
	You remember the Las Vegas shooter.
	He was another one, like Trump's shooter.
	Just sweep it under the carpet.
	Don't worry about him and what his connections were to the FBI or anything like that.
	Yes, so much ammo and equipment.
	this is just a question that hangs in the air and is never answered.
	Michael says, "Isn't it marvelous how it's expected that we can't concentrate on more than one thing at a time?
	Are there more than just grooming gags going on?
	Yes, and we're pissed about that too.
	We can concentrate on two things at once.
	I even donated to Lo's campaign to investigate the grooming gags." Well done, you.
	Yeah, good job.
	Man of Kent says, "The Prime Minister has only done this now because he's made sure he can't be held accountable for the actions that he took while...
	what's happened while he was the head of the Crown Prosecution Service." I don't know, I genuinely think that essentially...
	He said, The amount of victims that have come forward to our inquiry is staggering from all over the country.
	We are working hard to carefully give these survivors and their families a voice and bring all the evidence and data together.
	We must be clear, this is a rotting scandal.
	Brave individuals who have shared their stories and the hope to make a difference.
	This family is in touch with our safeguarding team.
	It's clear that the emotional abuse will be at least talking about a particular case.
	He says that brainwashed is a continuing theme.
	Exploited, threatened, strangled, raped.
	Failed by the British state.
	From what we are finding, this is a scandal that goes far beyond what has already been reported, and it's our job to try and piece it all together on a national scale.
	I think that's why Keir Starmer has gone...
	Yeah, I'm saying this is one of the very, very important parts because not only has she got to see that, he's collected this evidence.
	And I think all the evidence that he has, he should continue with his own, running perhaps side by side.
	think of a way of doing that but every piece of evidence that they've collected should be submitted as that on their behalf to this inquiry so that not only has he got it Well, the good thing about Rupert Lowe's inquiry is it's essentially going to hold the government to account on their own inquiry.
	Exactly.
	Rupert Lowe's got £600,000 to spend doing this and however much of his own money is put into it.
	And so when the government tries to do some sort of whitewash, as you're expecting, which I am too, don't get me wrong, Rupert Lowe can come out and correct the record.
	Another very, very important point to say about this is that it's still all ongoing.
	It's not like the rape gangs ended in 2014 or something, and it was a 1990s, early 2000s problem, and now it doesn't happen anymore, and we're just looking about something in history that was bad.
	No, it's still completely ongoing.
	In 2023, the Conservatives upped the number of arrests.
	They had some sort of...
	And so the number of actual convictions started spiking.
	Obviously mostly Pakistanis.
	And it's like, yeah, okay, but the thing is, again, this is the difficult thing to talk about, but who are the customers that these girls are being pimped to?
	Absolutely.
	It's an enclosed bubble in the community.
	It just annoys me when I remember GB News doing a bit of real investigative journalism into it and talking to Jacob Rees-Mogg about it and Jacob Rees-Mogg being like, oh really?
	It's still ongoing.
	I'm not interested in that subject at all.
	No.
	Again, it goes back to what we say.
	These are the people not interested.
	Okay, so half a dozen or a dozen ringleaders of the gang has been arrested, but that means there are thousands of child rapists just wandering around the country.
	Get them all.
	Pull them all in.
	Arrest them.
	And if they're illegal, deport them, irrespective of what Pakistan says about planes.
	Birds of councillors are still in their jobs.
	There's a police commissioner still in their jobs.
	No, they should all be complicit.
	They're complicit with this.
	Anyway, unfortunately on that note, we are out of time.
	So thank you very much for joining us, folks.
	And we'll be back tomorrow at the same time.

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