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	Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast The Lotus Seaters for Friday the 4th of April 2025.
	Look, time, I'm too old to worry about time, okay?
	Time is a young person's game, I'm not worried about this.
	Transcended time.
	Yeah, I've transcended the concept.
	It's just the forever now, okay?
	I'm joined by Bo and Lil Ali Dowling.
	Thank you so much for coming in.
	And today we're going to be talking about the very real fear of a British civil war.
	The current kind of gender war that's going on in South Korea.
	Incels versus feminists, as I understand it.
	Is that correct?
	Well, that's one angle.
	I was going to talk more about the actual legislative process and the news that broke overnight about their president.
	But that's one element to it.
	I don't follow South Korean politics very closely, but...
	Go Team Insult now.
	I'm not going to be on Team Feminist.
	And then we're going to be talking about the prejuvenation trend among Gen Z women.
	Why are they getting their faces filled with Botox and lip fillers and making themselves look kind of monstrous?
	It's a very peculiar thing and I don't understand it.
	But before we begin, we've of course had a lads hour at three o'clock this afternoon and we're going to be playing Ethnoguessr to see See how accurately we can map the ethnicities of the world or something?
	I've not actually played it but it looks like it should be fun.
	Anyway, right, so let's begin.
	So, in the last election we were treated to, I think, signs of things to come.
	Which was the independent Muslim MPs who were elected in their constituencies on the pro-Palestine position.
	...
	isn't really very closely tied to British politics.
	How mad is that in and of itself?
	Yeah, it's kind of mad.
	Why should that ever be the case?
	Yeah, they're exactly the people you'd expect.
	Shaukat Adham, Iqbal Mohammed, Adin Hussain, Ayub Khan and Jeremy Corbyn.
	So like I said, the five Muslim MPs.
	It's funny that they're not actually often, that sometimes they are, but often they're not actually Palestinian or even Arab.
	They could be, you know, Pakistani or Bangladeshi or anything, but I think the Muslim thing alone makes them...
	I think they might all be Pakistanis.
	But it's very worrying to me that British people who are voting are going out and voting based on a pro-Palestine stance when we need to be looking after our country, don't we?
	And we need MPs that are going to represent us, the people, and our needs in this country.
	Well, that kind of is the point, actually, because you use the British people and our.
	And so you've got a constituency of British people to whom we belong.
	Do we belong to the same constituency as these guys?
	Because if you look- They would have been elected by- Yeah.
	Largely by Pakistanis or- Yeah.
	Just Muslim people.
	Yeah, Muslims.
	And this makes me wonder, well, actually, are they an us?
	Are they a we?
	Are they an our?
	Because, I mean, the first sort of things they start coming out about and talking about are, For example, they're against the proposal to ban first cousin marriages, something that wasn't really necessary in Britain because people didn't marry their cousins here.
	I'm in favor of it.
	So I would think banning or first cousin?
	Well, I mean, I think I think you can already guess, but you can also guess where Iqbal Mohammed falls on that.
	And so it's like, right, this isn't just a regular policy question.
	So, you know, do we want higher taxes or lower taxes to fund the NHS?
	Well, that's something that we can all have an opinion on.
	This is something that's distinctly cultural and foreign, I would say, to Britain.
	And of course, this is the sort of thing that Iqbal Mohammed got up and started talking about.
	And then the next thing, of course, is the proposed funding from Britain for an airport in Mirpur, which is the backwards area of Pakistan, where most of our immigrants come from.
	They say there are over a million British Kashmiris living in the United Kingdom, who would benefit directly from an addition to the neighbouring regions of Jhelum, Dina and Gujarat, and they would also gain from improved international transport connections.
	This would serve the vibrant worldwide Kashmiri diaspora.
	Going back to the us and our, are these British people?
	You know I mean it's signed by...
	Here it's not but and and then the funny thing is Zara Sultana had just I think she called out somebody about the expansion of Heathrow.
	She didn't want that because that was against net zero yet here she is saying build this airport and it's just the hypocrisy of it all but it does worry me that there are a lot of uh liberal white traitors.
	Well like Stella Creasy who signed this.
	Right and like the lady the headmistress who uh banned the Easter bonnet parade in the Hampshire school and the Easter celebration.
	She was a white, you know, I'm assuming liberal, because I don't think it would be a conservative that did that.
	So the point is, I think that when when this kind of proposal is on the table, when this kind of obvious ethnic interest is on the table, we can safely say, right, these aren't people who consider themselves to be British.
	They consider themselves to be Pakistani and Kashmiri.
	And they're trying to advance their agenda in that country.
	So when, for example...
	That sort of thing is the definition of being a fifth columnist, wouldn't it?
	Yeah, I mean, when, you know, Samantha here, I'm sure, is a very nice and well-meaning person, and they point out, well, the following British MPs are campaigning on behalf of their constituents in Pakistan.
	It's like, okay, but I don't really think they think their constituents are British people, right?
	It seems that the revealed If they were perfectly honest.
	Just their actions.
	The revealed actions show that they're campaigning for Pakistan.
	So I think they view themselves as Pakistani MPs in Britain rather than British MPs.
	And also going back to them wanting the cousin marriage to continue, that actually does put a lot of strain on our NHS when they have babies from those cousin marriages that end up having birth defects.
	Defects. There you go.
	It's a really, really serious one.
	Really serious.
	Massive, massive problem.
	What about the take the angle of let them marry their first cousin as much as they want, so that they remain sort of docile and...
	Well, they're not.
	As long as we don't have to fund it through the NHS, because that's the thing.
	I think the stats were, it was insane, like the proportion of Pakistani children that are born with these defects because their parents are cousins versus Kids born with birth defects to British couples, you know.
	Aren't they something like 35% of all the birth defects, despite being 60% of the population?
	Yeah, that's it.
	I didn't want to say that stat without it written down, just in case, but that's what I remembered.
	Yeah, that's what I remember too.
	I might be wrong, fact check me on that.
	What a disastrous stat that is.
	Yes, it's crazy.
	Sickening. Not just like a bit odd and like, okay.
	It's like, that's terrible.
	That's sickening.
	You would think that the state does have an ethical duty to step in and do something about it.
	As in, you know, Keir Starmer came out and just flatly denied that there was going to be a ban on first cousins and marriages.
	But that would really protect children from being consanguinous.
	It would be better.
	Anyway, so the next thing, and this is one of the things that the Americans keep picking up on, is that all of our institutions appear to just be Islamic.
	For example, on the BBC, here's like an hour of Eid live.
	Introducing Eid al-Fitr prayers from the Bradford Central Mosque.
	This is 6% of the population.
	The Muslims are actually a very small percentage of British population and yet they're given incredible status in this country which is fooling the Americans.
	I've just been over to America and the Americans are like, so how many Muslims do you guys have?
	Oh, less than 10%.
	And they're like, what?
	Really? How have you got less than 10% fewer than 10% Muslims with the cultural product that we see coming out of your country?
	And it's because the establishment, well, favour them for some reason.
	And I can't really explain it.
	I mean, here's the royal family, Eid Mubarak, you know, like they as if they are themselves Muslims and not the head of the Church of England.
	Charles is a defender of faiths.
	He did actually walk that back.
	Oh, did he?
	Yeah, he ended up getting crowned as the defender of the faith.
	He wanted defender of faith.
	Because Charles is a notorious Orientalist.
	He really loves Eastern religions for some reason.
	He seems to not care about Christianity at all.
	Quick thing I'll just say about the 6%.
	I know as a percentage doesn't sound all that catastrophic but I'd say 6% is still massive actually though.
	In real numbers that's still millions and millions and millions of people.
	It's 4 million.
	Right. And the real reality, people off the books and things don't, in response to censuses, it'll be a few million more.
	But we were talking about it in the kitchen earlier, at some point in the early 2000s or the 2010s at some point, I've looked at the figure for how the percentage of black people in America and was shocked to find out it was only sort of 12, 13%, something like that.
	Because if you watch TV and films and just the general culture, you think, oh, America's half black or something, wouldn't you?
	That's the impression you get.
	It's just not the case.
	I guess we've got the same thing with America.
	They think we're mostly Muslim now or something.
	Well, they also think that most of our knife crimes committed By a white guy from a really good two-parent family that were very stable that has never done anything bad before.
	It's just roaming bands of white boys stabbing people up in the street for no reason.
	It's what Netflix is!
	Yeah, so the representation of things is skewed in order to give people a false impression of what's actually happening.
	And of course you'll see, I mean Keir Starmer posted this about an hour ago.
	On his Twitter, someone posted for him.
	Eid Mubarak everyone!
	It's really fantastic to see you and to be saying that here in this room.
	I've been really proud that we've been able to host an Iftar event here in Number 10 to attend the big Iftar in Westminster Hall.
	I'm wishing you Eid Mubarak.
	It's a really special moment.
	The day after the election last year that I stood outside the Right, there we go.
	I mean, he couldn't be more thrilled.
	To be wishing them a fantastic Eid Mubarak.
	And that's today because he did the start of Ramadan.
	He did the end of Ramadan and now he's also done this and I actually looked two days ago.
	I haven't looked since.
	He's not mentioned the Lent once.
	Ash Wednesday didn't mention that.
	It just seems that they're purposely ignoring Christian celebrations and traditions whilst promoting this and talking about this at every possible opportunity.
	I mean, Kit, he looks genuinely thrilled to be doing this.
	Well, that was my question.
	It's one of two things that's going on.
	Either he genuinely wants to do this and he's happy to do it, or it's under duress in some way and he's scared.
	It seems like the first one.
	It very much seems like he's just on board with this Lindsay Hoyle, when he was like, look, I'm really worried about someone, an MP being murdered.
	He was scared.
	You know, you could tell the fear in him.
	No, Kirstolmer loves this.
	He loves to have his little Muslim constituency that he can say, no, look, Eid Mubarak.
	I'm so thrilled.
	I love this is yours as well.
	It's like, oh, great.
	I do actually wonder if he's a troll because he really does seem to troll everyone and try and I don't know.
	Is he actually trying to upset everybody and demoralize every single British person in this country?
	I think, honestly, you were right about these sort of traitorous liberals.
	And the thing is, he's so committed to this kind of universalist perspective.
	I don't think he sees it.
	I don't think he understands what he's doing.
	He would think that anyone who isn't on board with this way of thinking is a gross, terrible person and screw them anyway.
	I imagine that's how it works in his mind.
	Yeah, they're far right.
	And so the police, of course, deliberately named a man who set fire to the Qur'an, essentially criminalizing and putting a target for vigilantes on this man's back.
	Because burning the Qur'an, well, I mean, if you can see how the The king, the government and the institutions support Islam.
	Well, why would they not do this?
	For the record, am I right in saying that until any sort of true Islamophobia legislation is passed, it's not illegal to burn a Koran?
	It's probably some sort of hate crime.
	Yeah, probably.
	I mean, you would think back a couple of hundred years when we were concerned about religious toleration and we've gone back on all of that.
	Burning any other book, let's say that, that is privately owned on private property, that's certainly not a crime.
	No, you can burn as many copies of the Bible as you like.
	Proper bonfire of Bibles.
	I'm sure Keir Starmer would support that.
	Yeah! Anyway, so, and then finally, of course, we have the The two-tier justice.
	Now, this is something that they had to walk back on, because Keir Starmer actually did threaten to legislate against this.
	But the point is, all of the Kuangos in this country do believe that, in fact, the minority should be given privileges over the majority, and for some reason, okay, we won this battle, but the war's not over, and they're going to continue.
	And of course, Muslims are not exactly massively contributing to the economy, not that that's really the thing I'm concerned about.
	As you can see here, Adan Hussain, MP, pointed out that Muslims generate at least 70 billion annually for the UK economy, which is 2% of the GDP for 6% of the population.
	So that's a brutal community note.
	Absolutely brutal.
	So they're sort of 66% underperforming?
	Yes. Right, okay.
	Yes, they are.
	So anyway, the point being, the country feels to a lot of people like it's being run for the benefit of Islam and minorities.
	And lots of people are upset about this.
	And so Professor David Betts at King's College London, their Department of War Studies, has been kind of sounding the alarm saying, well look, we're actually in a point now where all of the conditions for civil war are most ripe.
	And this is something maybe we should be thinking about because people seem quite upset.
	And we saw The first signs of this is Southport.
	After the Southport riots, before any information about the stab was known, people started attacking mosques.
	Now, obviously, don't start attacking mosques.
	Obviously, this is bad.
	But what this indicates to us is that people have had enough.
	And that's why Keir Starmer came down on them like a ton of bricks and dedicated 30 million pounds of your tax money to protecting mosques because Keir Starmer loves Islam.
	But anyway, David Betts points out that Rich and stable countries don't have civil wars.
	Legitimate democracies and strong autocracies don't have civil wars.
	The most unstable, he says, are moderately homogenous societies, particularly where there is a perceived change in the status of the titular majority, or a significant minority, which possesses the wherewithal to revolt on its own.
	And that's the important thing, the status.
	Now, if there's one thing I think a lot of British people feel at the moment, is that they are low status in their own country.
	Being English in England is not a prestigious thing.
	It's actually a kind of gross, scummy thing.
	Remember, what's that Labour MP who posted the picture of the English flag?
	Emily Thornberry.
	Look at these English flags.
	How dare you drive a white van and fly the St. John's?
	How dare you!
	Yeah, yeah.
	And we can see the general veneration for foreign things coming out of the institutions.
	And so, He points out that, look, we are in fact very much in this kind of sweet spot for it.
	And I'm going to quote a little bit of length because this is just, I think, very interesting.
	He says, The peculiarity of contemporary Western multiculturalism, relative to other examples of heterogeneous societies, is threefold.
	Firstly, it is in the sweet spot with respect to theories of civil war causation.
	Specifically, the modern problem of coordination costs is diminished in a situation where white majorities, who are trending rapidly towards large minority status in some cases, live amongst multiple smaller minorities.
	Secondly, thus far, what have been practiced is a sort of asymmetric multiculturalism, in which the in-group preference, ethnic pride, And thirdly,
	because Basically what he's saying there is It seems that the white people in Britain are going to
	say, you know what, we don't have to be second class citizens, we've had enough.
	It just put me in mind, everything you're reading there, the thing that kept popping into my mind was Goldstein's book in 1984.
	In the original novel, 1984, just before Winston Smith gets arrested, there's a few passages where he's reading from Goldstein's book and it's It's that sort of thing that there's a, well to boil it down, sort of an underclass, a working class, a middle class and an upper class and that the middle and the upper class swap around at various times and the underclass just swap masters.
	But it doesn't have to be about purely politics, it can be about racial and ethnic and religious divides as well it could easily be that or has been in history played out in real time a number of a number of times it's just the same old story we've seen this through history all throughout the world all throughout the centuries a number of times this isn't sort of new right it's not it's not happened in Britain before.
	It's not unremarkable in any way shape or form.
	I've spent the last five years thinking when are people actually going to have had enough to actually do something and I'm obviously I am absolutely not uh condoning going out on the streets or doing anything stupid and writing and and burning anything not but I just think when are people actually going to stand up I mean people are still a little too afraid to even Talk about things like that we talk about they're a little afraid to even talk about it to their friends or or their work colleagues unless they know that their friends
	or work colleagues are kind of on the same page so I do wonder but then I also wonder is it like problem reaction solution because all of this hasn't happened by accident I don't think it's Incompetence.
	I think it's been orchestrated.
	I think it's been facilitated.
	I think there's people making a lot of money allowing, you know, illegals to come in or, you know, building houses for, you know, foreign imports.
	And so I do wonder if, you know, and not cracking down on crime, things like that, just the basics of society.
	And so are they allowing this so that there is a reaction so they can really bring in a solution like 1984 where it's surveillance everywhere where they say right well you know we can go through every single one of your text messages just on like the little inkling that you might have said something bad against the government and therefore you might be you know a potential rioter.
	So I don't know whether it's kind of being planned or whether you know it is it is just A very organic build-up of upset.
	I'm of the opinion that these people are doctrinaire liberals and they genuinely believe in the things that they're saying and so what this means is that they view foreign peoples to have as much of a claim to Britain as the British people do, right? And so when the British people in the sort of old world thought of, well hang on this is our country not your country what are you doing here?
	Try to assert that.
	That's viewed as not only racism, but something tantamount to genocide, to say that these people have no claim to our country.
	And so they freak out about this.
	And so they now are like, oh god, we're sat on this far right pressure cooker, and we've just got to keep it all together.
	Or else it explodes and loads of people have their human rights violated, is what they think.
	I think it's sort of deliberate manoeuvrance, whether it's Tony Blair or Rishi Sunak.
	Yeah, very, very deliberate.
	Not just like, my liberal principles have accidentally led to this.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I don't know either.
	I don't know for sure.
	It could be either one.
	But I think the establishment are a little different from the everyday liberals, like the head teacher that I mentioned, because they all have been completely and utterly indoctrinated through everything, through schools, through college, through media, music, TV, film, everything's kind of indoctrinated people to this point where it's You know, they're calling this Netflix show a documentary.
	It's like...
	To be honest with you, I accept it.
	I accept that it's a documentary.
	But it's a longer conversation than that.
	On the malevolence thing, real quick.
	I mean, you take our current Justice Secretary, Mahmood.
	What's her name?
	Something Mahmood.
	Anyway, her two-tier thing.
	You can't take that as sort of an accidental byproduct of liberalism.
	She was against it.
	She objected to the two-tier thing.
	She's the one who, the day it came out.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	So who's putting it forward then through Parliament?
	It's, it's, no, no, it's not going through Parliament.
	That's the thing.
	Not now.
	So the, no, no, the sentencing council is a quango, right?
	And what they do is provide authoritative guidance to judges.
	And so they say, look, uh, the, the judges aren't legally bound by it, but they take it in the same sort of way as if, you know, when David Starkey says what the right wing needs to think about, everyone goes, Oh, It's David Starkey saying, we're going to listen, right?
	It's that kind of authority.
	The Romans would have called it auctoritas, I think.
	Back in the day, didn't Starmer go to meetings of the Sentencing Council?
	Was he part of it?
	He probably was.
	I actually don't know.
	Because I do know that he went to 21 meetings of the Sentencing Council who decided that not all child sex offenders should go to jail.
	That's a little factoid.
	I do know that he was involved with The Sentencing Council then?
	Absolutely makes sense.
	As head of the CPS, I'm sure they work hand in glove.
	I'm sure they do.
	But the point is, it's not necessarily a legal requirement, it's just an authoritative thing.
	But Shabana, I think her name is Mahmood, she actually came out against it because it looks really bad.
	I don't think it's because morally she's opposed to it.
	It's because we're already calling him two-tier Keir, and if he stands idle on this, well then that just cements it.
	But anyway, so the reason I talk about all this is because this line of thinking that David Betts has been promoting and properly putting into the consciousness of the British people, and rightly so I think, is finally arriving at the sort of Tory wets,
	right? They're finally getting it and going, hang on a second, Have we been party to the biggest betrayal in all of British history that's turned our country into an absolute sewer and has enraged huge amounts of people who live here?
	And it's like, yes, Tim Stanley, you have been party to that.
	So I'm just going to read from his article because, of course, you can imagine how he lands on this.
	So he says, I now fear that Britain is heading for an open sectarian conflict, possibly war, and there's nothing we can do to stop it.
	I mean, you didn't have to be party to it for the last 14 years, did you Tim?
	But anyway, here's a snapshot of what I'm hearing.
	He says, Jacob Rees-Mogg debated me on GB News, said Britain should take zero refugees.
	I spluttered a reply about the Good Samaritan and staggered off to bed, confused in the press.
	These are the sort of libs I hate the most, right?
	It's one thing, the woke globalist libs who are like, look, I kind of hate you and I want to destroy your culture.
	That's great.
	I kind of hate you too, and I want to destroy globalism, right?
	At least we're both honest.
	Tim Stanley is, I'm going to pretend I don't hate you if I want to destroy your culture, but I'm going to do everything that will No amount of cognitive dissonance will make any difference.
	He says, for two decades, I've argued for controlling immigration and successive governments, including Jacob's, increased it.
	Yeah, I'm sure you have.
	Suddenly I've woken up in a land where everyone wants to manically, wants to reduce or even reverse it.
	And they've leaped frog me into a pool of dark resentment.
	Nigel Farage is mocked as a dimmy for appointing a Muslim chair to his party and looks nervous of his own supporters.
	Even Labour has turned on the Sentencing Council, which for all its faults, was trying to fix a genuine racial disparity.
	See what I mean?
	Fixing racial disparities is not the job of justice in this country.
	The job of justice in this country is to make sure that criminals get what they deserve.
	The reason, he says, it's black people who tend to get longer sentences than whites, not the other way around.
	OK, well, let's ask about recidivism.
	Let's ask about repeated criminality.
	Who is more likely to be a repeated criminal and therefore incur a longer sentence due to their past history of crime?
	It's just the statistics.
	I'm not trying to say that one group's good and one group's bad.
	What I'm saying is, this is why you're getting these effects.
	If one group doesn't have a particular history of recidivism in their community, and the other group does, well then you can expect differential outcomes.
	Because that's what justice requires.
	A difference in treatment because of what that person has done.
	What they deserve is what justice is.
	Not making sure that black and white sentences are exactly equal.
	That's not justice, and in fact that can be deliberate injustice, actually.
	That's why Keir Starmer let out a load of people and then locked up the Southport rioters.
	It's about social justice.
	Justice is supposed to be colourblind, actually.
	Yeah, it's supposed to be blind to all the things.
	The personification of justice is always a woman with a sword and scales with a blindfold.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, no, rip that blindfold off and make sure you discriminate against the whites.
	Yeah. Okay?
	Weird. Weird.
	You guys aren't saying.
	Nearly 200,000 YouTubers have watched an interview given to Louise Perry by David Betts, a professor of conflict studies in King's College London.
	Betts argues that conditions for a failed state will ordinarily apply overseas and are now found here.
	Frayed social contract, failing trust, polarisation.
	Into this mix, Britain injected multiculturalism, encouraging millions to move here without expecting integration.
	If you think fear of the other is a human instinct, the policy was mad to begin with.
	Okay? Why did we do this then?
	Why did the conservatives sign off on this?
	Because they're a bunch of wet libs themselves.
	Over the past 30 years, liberal institutions, uh, sorry, he says, combine it with other economic decline and you invite ethnic competition over services and jobs.
	Yeah. And this is where we are, right?
	I grew up in a post-colonial world where we said, I don't see race.
	And honestly, if naively meant it, that's great.
	You, the white liberals, honestly and naively meant it.
	And so what you did is imported people who were not white liberals, who didn't say it, didn't honestly and sincerely mean it, and you thought that they would just get along exactly the same as the rest of us.
	This hasn't happened.
	You are a fool.
	You've all been fools, and you've inflicted this not only on me, which is fine, I'm 45 years old, I don't really need your protection, but you've inflicted it on my children.
	You've inflicted this on my grandchildren when I have them.
	You've inflicted this on future generations.
	This is going to age very badly is what I'm saying, right?
	So anyway, I'm going to carry on because this is just remarkable, right?
	So he says, uh, over the past 30 years, liberal institutions have taught us to see race again by stressing the wonders of diversity so persistently that some white people feel that the state has actively taken a side against them.
	It's only because they seem to just do nothing but praise minorities.
	Ancient binding concepts such as equality before the law ring hollow.
	The latest police race action plan openly rejects the principle of treating everyone the same in favour of equality of police outcomes.
	A situation in which millions believe the cops are not impartial public servants but an occupying force is the headline metric of state failure.
	Mainland Britain has become Ulster.
	In fact, the low-level insurgency has already begun.
	Ireland has seen arson at asylum hotels.
	Last year, Britain had riots.
	Why did Number 10 insist that so many be thrown into jail?
	Betts notes that while Islamic terrorism is more lethal than far-right terrorism, there are only 4 million Muslims, whereas there are around 50 million whites.
	Were the latter group radicalized, things might go south very fast.
	Hence, some in the security forces Yeah, was that the take?
	Am I getting it wrong?
	He's worried about civil war but he's worried about the reaction to...
	Civil war's coming, I'm worried about fascism.
	Amazing. Amazing take.
	Is fascism one of the top ten priorities that you have in the country?
	Are you afraid of fascism?
	I'm trying to take it all in, I'm thinking, gosh, like, yeah, no, I mean, what can I say?
	No, I haven't been, I see, there was one thing where he did say, where he did say that, I think growing up when I was younger, this is what, I was just staring at it, like really like that, trying to figure out what he meant.
	But I feel like when I grew up, my mum's from the Philippines, Like he says there, no one really did see race.
	But I do think the last few decades, it's really, really been pushed on us to notice it.
	And as you said, my mum wanted to be part of British culture.
	She didn't want to take her own culture.
	She didn't want to stay in a group with all Filipinos and then do their own thing.
	She wanted to integrate into society.
	And because they keep on going on about diversity and we must accept this, we must accept that.
	People have gone into their own little, you know, communities and they don't integrate and it has made a noticeable difference.
	And then we're being pushed by the media, by music, by entertainment to look at everybody's race and colour and try and celebrate everything except white people.
	I do, you know, I do think it's been pushed so that it is more noticeable now.
	Yeah, it's very, very much so.
	And so his concern is fascism.
	Rather than the dispossession of the British from their own country.
	It's very, very often the case that you read in mainstream media, in the mail, online or something like that, or telegraph, something that seems that it's being reasonable and honest and truthful with what's going on.
	And then at the end, the twist is that the right is the problem.
	Yeah. I mean, that's literally this.
	Do you remember the clashes between Pakistanis and Indians in Leicester?
	Yes. A year or two ago.
	And do you remember, in the end, they, it all stopped and they, The violence stopped and they managed to all agree that let's not let EDL types get involved.
	That was really the problem from the beginning.
	But this is the thing!
	Really? How has that happened?
	And it's the same, it's like when you go into London you see the Palestine flags flying everywhere and then you see the Ukraine flags everywhere and everyone's swinging those around.
	But you take the British flag or you take the St George's and you know, you're this far right bigot.
	It's mad to me.
	That's exactly.
	You know, I remember one of my friends, she's American and she came with American friends, they were gonna have a little tour around the Tower of London.
	I think they were going, somehow going into the Houses of Parliament and they had their little British flags that they bought from One of those little shops where you buy souvenirs.
	And they were told, like, you can't bring them in.
	You have to leave them outside.
	You can't bring...
	They couldn't understand it because Americans fly their American flags.
	They're all patriotic.
	You know, they were doing little tongue-in-cheek things with their little flags, with their British flags.
	But yeah, so it was mad and it was crazy to them and it's crazy to me.
	Because I see the Ukrainian flags everywhere.
	And the Palestine flags.
	And the Palestine flags.
	It's horrible.
	It's symptomatic of a deep, deep problem in society that that's the case.
	So we'll finish on this one thing here, because this is just fascinating.
	So he says, I'm more concerned about fascism.
	We're not far away from a politician running for office as explicitly anti-Muslim.
	Well, we've got five who are explicitly Muslim.
	We've got five MPs who are explicitly Muslim.
	They ran on the pro-Palestine platform.
	They want airports in Mirpur.
	They are explicitly and avowedly Muslim, and that's why they were elected.
	Is it a surprise that you're going to get people who are anti-Muslim?
	And is it wrong that you would get people who are anti-Muslim?
	Because he said, I'm really worried about sectarianism coming to Britain.
	We've got five sectarian MPs already.
	Is it any wonder that the native population might be like, oh right, we need our own sectarian MPs.
	And dozens more that are sympathetic.
	Exactly. Fascism as well, just really quick to say, the actual word fascism.
	It's childish.
	It's so far removed from, like, reform, let's say.
	Or reclaim, or something.
	Or David Curtin.
	It's like, you're not using the word right.
	It's not fascism.
	It's nothing like it.
	It's barely nationalism, but anyway.
	Anyway, Ramshackle Otter says, in 2011, each disabled child of cousin marriage cost £250,000 per year to the taxpayer.
	It's not just the NHS, is it?
	It's the homes that they need to have, the special cars, the special schools.
	Sometimes if the parents don't drive, a taxi service and drivers.
	There's a lot.
	Scanline says that reform is basically giving people their last hopes for change, and I think that's true.
	But the thing is, I don't think Nigel Farage is the guy.
	I don't think he's got the stomach for...
	He's got the trousers.
	No, he doesn't.
	He's deeply afraid of being called a racist, but the thing is...
	He was spouting, at the last conference, he was spouting exactly that stuff about being essentially colourblind.
	Saying, be colourblind, just accept endless people and don't worry about really what they think.
	Don't ask them.
	Can you get the Muslim community to be colourblind?
	If you can't, then that's off the table, isn't it?
	It's got to be reciprocal, and if it's not reciprocal, then it's not going to happen.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	OK, let me just get my document sorted.
	All right, so people that watch this podcast know that I quite often do history-themed content, science and space-themed content, or international relations stuff.
	I probably do the most stuff about Ukraine or Israel and Palestine.
	So I feel like we need to talk about South Korea today.
	Oh, okay.
	Because overnight, or yesterday in South Korea at least, there was sort of a big, relatively big thing happened.
	Do you remember back in December last year that there was a story coming out of South Korea that their president had used martial law?
	Yeah. He'd used soldiers to pack their parliament building.
	Yeah, the Incel Uprising.
	Yeah. He dipped his toe in the Rubicon.
	That was a mistake.
	Do you call it the in-cell uprising?
	Yeah. Go on, give me your take on that.
	As I understand it, South Korean society is deeply riven between feminism and men, right?
	And there's a massive problem with single people.
	The fact that people aren't, in South Korea, the birth rate is catastrophically low.
	Yeah, the lowest of all time.
	Probably all history.
	Yeah, just the lowest a country has ever had.
	And one of the main political sort of issues is feminism versus men's rights in South Korea.
	And the men are deeply, deeply right-wing and on the pro-man side.
	And the women are deeply, deeply left-wing and on the pro-woman side.
	And so basically it's feminists versus incels.
	This guy leant heavily into that for his campaign, I believe, and got the man vote.
	And he seems to have dipped his toe in the Rubicon, decided he's not going to go all the way, and now he's getting chewed up.
	Right, yeah.
	Because I understand it.
	Yoon Suk Yeol is his name, yeah, everyone just called him Yoon.
	Yeah. So yeah, there's that element to it, I just mentioned that quite early on then, that yeah, the birth rate in South Korea is not just sort of low, or sort of noticed that that's sort of below average, it's...
	It's crazily low.
	The lowest of any country in the world.
	And you can argue, but I've seen people say, it may be the lowest of all time.
	Because, you know, modern societies, for whatever reasons, post-industrial ones, it's sort of, yeah.
	So I think in Seoul, it's sort of 0.5%.
	So for every four women, there's one baby born.
	But what's driving the feminists and driving the incels?
	Like what's getting into their minds?
	It's a big thing, isn't it?
	It's a massive, massive question.
	Ideology. That's a good question.
	Because it plays out to a lesser extent all over the West, doesn't it?
	Japan's got a problem with it.
	In fact, even third world countries where birth rates used to be a lot higher, they're lower.
	Like in India, a hundred years ago, you'd have like 12 kids and infant mortality, only half of them live, but whatever.
	And now they're about the same as we used to be in the fifties.
	Oh really?
	So yeah.
	Anyway, anyway, I was going to talk more just about the straight-up sort of parliamentary politics of this thing.
	So when that happened back in December, it took everyone by surprise and it really did, and I'll get into that in a moment, and I was fascinated by it.
	The first take that came out on Twitter is that this based right-wing leader has sort of stood up to the commies and used martial law to stop sort of commies from taking over.
	So I just tweeted, I can't remember exactly what I tweeted, but I was like, you go, he's our boy, smash the commies or something like that.
	And almost immediately people were tweeting going, no, that's not really what's going on.
	That's not really what's going on.
	I was like, Okay, I actually don't know much about modern South Korean politics, so I'll step back.
	And then I was just waiting for, over the following days and weeks and months, I've been reading around it since then, I was waiting for the explanation of it.
	What did happen that day?
	What was going on there?
	And the answer to it really is it's sort of still not exactly unclear.
	We know what's happened because there's been investigations, but it is sort of, seems like, an odd, kind of odd set of events.
	So, sort of, let's go through it.
	Because yesterday, or last night at our time, What happened was, he's been removed from office, and it went through all sorts of appeal processes, and finally it ended up with their Supreme Court.
	You can play this if you want, Samson, on silent, just as a background.
	Finally, their version of the Supreme Court upheld his impeachment, removal from office, the whole nine yards.
	So he's done.
	I mean, he's already done, his political career was already done anyway, but now it's formally rubber-stamped, You're done.
	And so they've got to have new elections there, general election there in the next 60 days.
	The government has fallen.
	The full shebang.
	Don't ever just dip your toe in the Rubicon.
	If you're thinking about it, you've got to wade through it.
	That's good advice to any would-be autocrats out there.
	It's great advice.
	It's just historically correct.
	You've got to go full bore or don't bother.
	Go big or go home.
	If you're going to do this sort of thing.
	I'm completely against military yonkers.
	Yeah, let's make that clear for the record.
	On a technical point, you know, you've got to go the whole way.
	There's his political enemies that are jumping and shouting in the streets when the news came through from the Supreme Court.
	Look at the pride flags.
	That he's gone.
	Look at the pride flags.
	They're global, isn't it?
	No, that's exactly it.
	Western ideology has completely destroyed South Korea.
	And these are his supporters.
	They're upset.
	Because now, not only is he sort of, you know, completely down in politics, he will be open to criminal prosecution and he's going to be prosecuted for insurrection.
	Don't forget that that's basically the trajectory Adolf Hitler followed.
	Yeah, oh yeah.
	So it's not necessarily over.
	Right, okay.
	A lenient judge will give him two and a half years.
	Maybe. He'll serve eight months.
	He'll be out again.
	Hitler got five years, didn't he?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, you know, he might write a book in prison.
	Who knows?
	Lots of people do their best writing in prison.
	I keep telling myself.
	Yeah, didn't Che Guevara do that as well?
	Lots of people, yeah.
	Just saying, ten years later is the Führer of Germany.
	Maybe. We don't know that it's over for him.
	No, I'm joking.
	If he does get found guilty of insurrection, he could get life imprisonment.
	At the very least, probably a very long custodial sentence.
	This dude is in deep shit right now.
	Sorry, wrong language.
	But he's, yeah, he tried something extrajudicial and lost.
	He didn't really try very hard.
	Oh yeah, it was over within six hours.
	So, okay, let's try and tell the story a little bit.
	So, I mean, South Korea, ever since the war, World War II, I mean, has been a fantastic success story, economically.
	After World War II, obviously the Japanese invaded and occupied them during World War II.
	After World War II, in the late 40s at least, they were just like any other third world, far eastern country.
	And by the 70s, or certainly by the 80s, they were one of the richer societies, and by the 90s, in the 2000s, if you measure it by per capita, per household, It's not going to.
	So that's a thing to mention.
	Two generations ago, they were one of the poorest countries in the world, and now they're one of the richest.
	So that's quite a thing.
	And they do heavy industry, lots of electronics, you know, cutting-edge stuff.
	I've heard it called the Republic of Samsung.
	So one of the things in South Korean society is that there's sort of various cabals of families that own big corporations, and that the corporations are heavily embedded almost like some sort of symbiotic relationship with the government and For a long time they had or all through the 60s and 70s.
	They had a sort of democracy light sort of Autocracy sort of thing that park guy.
	I know a bit about that and So anyway, they've used martial law a number of times since the war sort of 17 or 18 times not since The 80s I believe so it's in their past a lot that the government might just call in the army to settle something politically.
	I would say that South Korean politics has always been, I say always, since the war, let's say, has been tumultuous, say the least, right?
	But it's been relatively calm over the last decade or two.
	But anyway, so this new guy gets in about two years ago, but he didn't have, he didn't have the majority in their legislature.
	So he's always, he's always like a An uphill fight as a leader.
	We don't ever suffer from that in Britain, or hardly ever, just the way our parliamentary system is.
	I think, having said that, like, John Major right at the end had a majority of one.
	I think he had a majority of zero right at the end.
	So that's the closest we will ever get to it.
	So we never really, sort of, don't have to deal with that very often anyway.
	But so, he's got all these ideas and people were saying that he's So I had to sort of clear the decks.
	When I've wanted to get into this and understand this, it's quite often the way when you read about a new history thing that you don't know about already.
	Just try and clear the decks, try and clear your mind, forget about your preconceptions.
	And whatever you're reading, try and keep in mind whether it's propagandised from one side or the other.
	Just try and get to the facts.
	So that's what I've tried to do.
	If there's anyone out there in the comments, if I get anything factually wrong, please do let us know.
	So he's been branded as just sort of like the far right, the far right guy.
	Doesn't seem to me far right at all, apart from this martial law thing, but we'll get into that in a moment.
	So there is sort of, broadly speaking, a left-right schism in South Korean politics, but even that is not really the right way to describe it.
	So he was a prosecutor before he got into power, and Particularly he as a prosecutor, and many prosecutors, a good way to do that, to be successful, is to be extremely headstrong.
	You know, know what is right and wrong, and don't allow yourself to be diverted by politics really, all that much, and go and do the thing.
	Well, that doesn't, that sort of thing doesn't really work when you become the leader of a whole country.
	You need to be a coalition builder.
	You need to be sort of charismatic and popular.
	Right, there's the parallel there.
	It just occurred to me.
	So yeah, when he started ruling, he wasn't listening to people in his own party.
	He started picking fights against factions in his own party.
	He sort of refused to work with the opposition, who had the majority, who've still got the majority in their version of the parliament.
	So he wasn't, he was the furthest thing from a coalition builder.
	And he was very, very unpopular with the electorate, like had a super low Approval rating, right?
	In the 20s.
	I care.
	Sorry, it's just...
	It does, doesn't it?
	And it just seems to me that there was just sort of a one-upmanship between him and the opposition party of sort of becoming more and more unwilling to work with each other.
	Because where he would sort of refuse to work with them, where they've got the majority again, not quite two-thirds, but if they get some from his party, which they were getting, they can just...
	he was vetoing everything they were trying to do and they were vetoing everything he was trying to do.
	I've got a question.
	Is this kind of a lawfare thing like we've been seeing in Europe, France, Romania?
	Is this kind of a...
	or was he a bad leader?
	Or is this kind of like the left using what they've been using you know in the west to go after the right the guy on the supposedly on the right though I don't know how right he is if he is doing martial law and you know I feel like Kim might pull that tactic out at some point.
	It was Boris who did it to us.
	Well both those things I think he's genuinely unpopular with the people and even within his own party he's got a strong faction of loyalists but both he is genuinely unpopular and the whole lawfare thing so yeah the lawfare thing in South Korea Totally has been playing out over the last year or more.
	So he tried to, they, his side of the aisle, tried to bring prosecution against the leader of the opposition.
	Tried to get him arrested for like corruption and stuff.
	They tried to do the same back.
	They got dirt on his wife.
	There was all sorts of scandals with his wife.
	Like she was accused of plagiarism, she was accused of corruption and various other things.
	Not being a man though.
	Not that.
	Wasn't the The regime before this guy like a weird feminist cult I'm not sure if I go that far, but yeah, I mean, they're the other side of the aisle Yeah, but the previous one was some some sort of weird sort of like I don't know just if Like I looked up and it seemed like some weird feminist cult was in control of South Korea before this guy So I wouldn't but they were the leftist side of the equation.
	So yeah rainbow flag wave She was impeached for something as well, wasn't she for corruption or something?
	Yeah or the corruption in South Korea is pretty bad.
	I mean, it's bad in Britain, I'm not saying we're perfect or anything, but yeah, so they stop working with each other, they're trying to veto each other at every turn, and then the lawfare thing, throw the lawfare thing on top, both sides doing it to each other, and all the while the country's going to pop.
	Again, sound familiar?
	Yeah, it does, yeah.
	So in the end like they're refusing to the other side were refusing to sort of let his budget go through so he's sort of Not lame duck.
	He's not quite right, but he's just kind of powerless.
	They've pulled his legs out from under him politically Okay, so now there's this headstrong guy so he started Putting all his own loyalists in all the top because you can still rule to some degree through sort of presidential fiat you still do sort of special special executive orders type stuff and he was removing lots and lots of people at the in all the key places in the government with just basically his friends from school
	like quite literally that Jamie get in there yeah like I know you'll be loyal to me to the end so you're the Defense Secretary now or whatever kind of like that I'll stab you with the compass it's kind of everyone in South Korea is just looking on like really he's doing this Really,
	it's like it's nothing exactly legal yet, but so so anyway, we get up to December last year and Apparently it did come out of the blue that he ordered martial law It wasn't like the other side did this one thing and that was a tipping point and he was reacting to Specifically this last thing where they've tried to like they raided his home or something and his response to it was martial law No, it sort of came out of nowhere.
	In fact, he was on record as saying even my wife doesn't know I was gonna order this today on that day and But apparently in South Korean politics it's sort of, it's always on the cards or it's always the worry.
	It's like whenever anyone is looking too strong or too authoritarian it's always in the papers immediately.
	Oh he might call martial law, he might call martial law.
	I've got another question.
	So the incels and the feminists, are they on the right or the left?
	I mean the incels on one side and the feminists on the other.
	Are those the kind of two together versus this guy?
	Well, it's a good question.
	At this point, it seems like most people don't like him now.
	After this incident in December, a lot of his supporters were like, yeah, that is bad.
	Like, what are you doing, dude?
	That's political suicide now.
	Territory. So, yeah.
	You're right.
	The incel side would be the right-leaning...
	Because I'm still trying to figure it out after what exactly incels are, because I know it's like involuntary celibate, but...
	How does that like how I don't understand how that is in the real world if it's just a name that these like because for example in Adolescence, they're throwing it around about a 13 year old.
	Well, like what so what does it actually like really mean?
	I don't that's what I don't understand smear, isn't it?
	Really? It is smear.
	It's a nothing word smear.
	No, no, no, it's it's referring to those men who want wives but can't get them right and so are not For whatever reason attractive to women and so they can't find a woman who will go out with them.
	Okay, okay.
	But it's become much broader than that now hasn't it?
	Well if it can be applied to 13 year olds.
	That's what I was thinking!
	I was like is it a name or is it like the way I get called far right which I'm absolutely not or I get called a granny killer or uh you know.
	I mean I don't know if they call like you know people like us far right I mean okay but that means that being far right is all of the correct and good things.
	Yeah so this is what confused me and then they talk about incel culture and then they said about like you know that I keep referring it's so off topic going back to that show but then they mentioned how do you take who's like the opposite of celibate or incel but he's meant to lead this incel culture so I'm like what is an incel?
	It doesn't really make sense does it?
	It doesn't need to make sense anymore it's like that thing of oh you live in your grandma's basement They don't think you actually literally do.
	I love my name.
	You're an incel and you still live in your mum's basement.
	Okay, now I get it now.
	I was taking it literally, which I probably shouldn't do.
	They tend to just use it as a catch-all phrase for anyone who is broadly concerned about issues that men face that women don't face.
	Right, right.
	Which is why Jordan Peterson is an incel, even though he's a grandfather.
	Wow! I'm so behind.
	This is how Andrew Tate becomes an incel, even though he's a profligate woman.
	They use it to mean anyone who's concerned about men's issues.
	Wow. Okay.
	No, it's good to know that.
	Cause I think you're, I think that's how I've been hearing it, but I've been so confused.
	It's not straightforward.
	Nothing is.
	Everything's inverted now.
	I should have known.
	It's classic commie double speak, double think.
	It doesn't have to make sense.
	anymore. In the interest of time though, surely.
	Yeah, okay.
	So yeah, it's always a thing in South Korean politics that it's a worry that some guy will hark back to the bad old days of the 70s or the 80s where they'll call him martial law.
	and so anyway he did it I guess they just pushed each other too far he and they're both accusing each other of sort of being dictatorial he's accusing them of what was it called like anti-state activities that does sound quite right-wing actually anyway like you're guilty you're guilty it could be communist as well he was he said that he's accusing them of in all sorts of ways being puppets for The North Koreans are for actual communists.
	I think that's probably not true and that's a massive exaggeration.
	I'm not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt.
	Fair enough, fair enough.
	He's saying they're guilty of...
	He's calling them sort of, in a legislative sense, dictators.
	I.e.
	they're not letting him get on with the business of governance.
	And they're just calling him just a straight-up autocrat or dictator, that you're just replacing all the people in government with your friends, you're not listening to The rest of the government And so they're both accusing each other.
	It's a classic thing, isn't it?
	They're both accusing each other the same sort of crimes And so in the end he obviously decided that enough is enough and he's going to try to impose martial law sort of old-school 1980s style and even do apparently apparently He had a plan to do sort of mass political arrests, not of sort of normal people, but of members of the opposition party, like the leader of the opposition and key members in the opposition, all that sort of thing.
	So Macron was like, you can't do that.
	Yeah. So he pulled the trigger on this and it only lasted overnight, sort of six hours before the, their version of parliament, their legislature got together, got a quorum just enough to sort of reverse it.
	And he was sort of forced to...
	At that point he could either come mask off and say, you know, guys, military guys, start shooting now.
	Or he could back down and he backed down.
	Just like Bolsonaro.
	If you're gonna cross the Rubicon...
	Yeah, don't go up to the Rubicon if you're not gonna cross it.
	Like I said, don't cross Rubicons, don't storm parliaments or anything like this.
	Because there was at one point...
	He was gonna get the soldiers to sort of close the doors on the...
	The legislature so they can't physically get in form a quorum and pass something.
	That was sort of the key moment if they were going to start using real force to start shooting their equivalent of MPs it could have happened then but it just didn't and he backed down and within days it had been fully reversed and he'd been well so at first they tried to impeach him and it failed.
	But then they just tried again like a week later, and it passed.
	And so he was sort of, they had to have an interim leader for a while.
	And then it's gone through the process of all sorts of appeals and counter appeals.
	And that's what's been happening over the last few months.
	And so now yesterday, finally, the final rubber stamp was that, yes, you are impeached.
	You are guilty of sort of abusing power.
	And not only that, you're guilty of almost certainly of insurrection.
	I mean, he does seem guilty of it.
	He seems obviously guilty of it.
	Yeah, it does seem that way.
	So that's what happened last night.
	I think it's sort of just worth pointing out because South Korea is still an important person in the region.
	It is sort of an important country, rather, in the region and just economically.
	...
	is important.
	So, to see it basically implode, because it's not happened before.
	Imagine that if our actual Prime Minister, or the King, was...
	He's going to be prosecuted and spend the rest of his life in prison.
	It's not a small thing.
	I wouldn't mind if it was Starmer though.
	Yeah, I'll take it.
	Wouldn't be that bothered if it was King Charles.
	I've been openly calling for these people for prosecution, everyone from Blair onwards.
	So that has actually played out in South Korea.
	So okay, I think that was a fairly big development last night.
	So got a couple of comments here for you Bo, which are interesting.
	I've got it all terribly wrong.
	No, no, no.
	I'm going to skip a little bit.
	Sorry. South Korean politics will never unify.
	They are split into two camps.
	One side is pretty much communist sympathisers that push feminism and want the US to leave, and the other side.
	Both the opposition actively call for reunification with North Korea, and the expulsion of the US from South Korea has been passing budgets that intentionally weaken the military.
	They are North Korean agents.
	So, entirely possible they're just A couple of quick takes on that.
	Yeah, some people say, their opponents say exactly that and their defenders say it's nothing of the sort.
	I think it's somewhere in between.
	I don't think the leader of the South Korean opposition is sort of literally a puppet, exactly a puppet of Pyongyang or anything.
	But yeah, the communists sympathise with us, certainly.
	On the plus side though, the North Koreans can just play the long game on this, right?
	The North Koreans are like, we're going to have children.
	And then one day, in about 50 years time, our grandchildren are going to walk into South Korea and find it abandoned.
	It's literally just going to happen.
	Another big thing to say, which I didn't say during the segment, was the relationship with the US is a massive thing.
	Everyone on the left hates it and everyone on the right loves it.
	Because that goes back to the war as well.
	The amount of American aid that has been pumped into South Korea in order to defeat the North is astronomical.
	So that's a big thing that defies society right down the middle as well.
	Everyone on the left hates America, which is why they're flying pride flags.
	So, let's talk about the concept of prejuvenation, because this is something I have noticed, and many other people have noticed as well.
	As this Redditor asks, has anyone else noticed a large uptick in women around them with very obvious lip filler?
	Especially girls as young as 20 and that's a that's a very very strange thing to me.
	It's really strange to me and it's really scary actually because um well if you think about it if you plump it you're putting stuff in your lips when it that stuff eventually dissolves it's gonna leave you with saggy skin so you they have to keep going back and getting it done getting it done it's like creating more customers and then I've seen some people probably like my age or younger in mid 40s younger He's like getting surgery on their lips to like get a lip lift to lift up the
	sagginess that's been caused by this lip filler and I don't think they realize how big their lips just going plumper and plumper and plumper.
	There's a picture earlier I saw it really looked like a baboon's bottom.
	It was like you know and I don't know I don't know what's happening or what's driving well I think it's social media driving it I don't think it's men that want it.
	I mean, you tell me or viewers tell me.
	As a man, this is not in any way appealing to me at all.
	I've never once thought in my life, oh, she could do with lip filler.
	I've never thought that.
	What about young men in their 20s?
	Are they driving it?
	Because I don't understand.
	I can't believe it.
	You've never done it even once just to see?
	Do you know what?
	I've got to admit, I did something really stupid.
	Have a bit when I was probably in my 30s.
	It was a disaster.
	I think I must have had an allergic reaction.
	Disaster. Like I do not touch my face now.
	I've learnt.
	And also Botox as well.
	Botox is what paralyzes.
	Can you explain the difference to me?
	Okay, so lip filler or any kind of filler, a dermal filler, like they'll fill their lips or if they've got like lines here or you know, No I don't know about crow's feet but I think lines here or sagginess in the cheeks they want cheekbones it's like a filler so it plumps it up and it actually fills it with I don't know I don't know what it is but it fills it to give it volume and make it bigger.
	Botox is a bacteria it's actually botulism so you're injecting Doesn't sound very Peter.
	No, it's really stupid.
	So you're ejecting botulism say into your forehead or your crow's feet or your frown line.
	So you can tell I don't have them because what it does is it paralyzes the muscle.
	So the botulism is going to paralyze you.
	So that's why they have these like blank faces that don't move because all these muscles are paralyzed.
	It doesn't sound real.
	And then what happens is your immune system obviously has to fight it.
	So then you get, like, you grow immunity to it so that you need more and you need more in a shorter space of time.
	And a lot of people, like here it says about the Botox being used because they think it's going to stop wrinkles in the future.
	But actually, if you think about it, if you paralyze a muscle, the muscle atrophies.
	So that muscle's no longer strong and holding your skin So your face starts sagging.
	So you do start getting more wrinkles.
	So you need more and more.
	And then I feel like, you know, the younger these girls start, like you see here, like in their 20s and 30s, then everything really starts to go wrong when their fillers dissolve or the Botox wears off.
	So you see, I've seen people my age getting facelifts and it's mental to me.
	It's completely and utterly crazy.
	And that's full on, you know, surgical facelifts.
	I didn't know that about Botox, what that really was.
	That seems to me quite extreme, really, to paralyse the muscles in your face for a short-term gain.
	It seems quite an extreme thing, I mean...
	I think people, well, they're sold the story it's going to stop their muscles, like, you know, moving, so...
	that the lines never develop but as I said they've you know the muscles will atrophy and then you've got weaker muscles and make it worse it's going to make it yeah I mean apparently according to the Guardian uh in 2022 27 percent of the U.S. patients receiving Botox were 34 or younger and so this is a growing cohort over time so that's you know more than a quarter of people even getting this are young and you see it though you can it's very obvious because they have like that blank They don't
	smile with their eyes anymore, or there's not really an expression.
	The warm kind of expression with a smile, it just becomes a little dead.
	It's horrible, you can see it at a glance quite often, if it's a bad case anyway.
	I don't know if you're getting onto this, but is it just vanity?
	Is it pure vanity, do you think?
	Well, we've got the example of one woman called Clara Gasper here, who wrote last year, Why she's at 26 getting Botox?
	Why so many young women are following suit?
	So let's find out, shall we?
	She says, 10 years ago, at the age of 16, I noticed my first wrinkle.
	16, noticing wrinkles?
	Yeah, I doubt it.
	Well, maybe.
	I mean, I don't know.
	Your face moved when you smiled.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's not a wrinkle.
	Like, trust me, I know.
	You know, she says, you know, it disappeared when I relaxed my face, but I took it as a disturbing sign the inevitable aging process had already begun.
	A couple of years later, I noticed another line begin to develop, then another.
	Now I have six or seven crow's feet, depending on how wide I'm grinning, as well as several horizontal lines on my forehead I fixated on them when I look back at beaming photos.
	It's like, that's crazy to me, because like, there's nothing wrong with having A face?
	The expression that moves!
	You know, I think a lot of people don't realise, I think it can be a bit of dehydration as well, like if you're not drinking enough water, if you haven't got moisture on your skin, a lot of that, you know, it's just like when a leaf's a little bit dry, it kind of goes a bit wrinkled up, but for these people to be looking at that...
	You bring the mic a little bit closer.
	Oh, sorry!
	So for these people to be, um...
	Fixating on that at such a young age is quite crazy.
	And maybe it's to do with filters, you know, all these social media filters that make everybody all very, very smooth, but they don't know what people look like in real life and they've forgotten what they should look like in life.
	So I find this really fascinating.
	She says, I used to observe this process with fascination rather than horror, but now age 26, the grand old age of 26, I'm ready for those creases to stop multiplying.
	It's like, right, OK, I've got some bad news for you.
	You've got to come to terms with the fact you're not going to look like a youthful kid anymore.
	Yes. And that's literally all this boils down to.
	The desire to arrest this current moment in their appearance forever.
	It's like, no, that's not how the world works.
	You're going to have to get used to the fact that you change.
	Luckily, I just got more handsome.
	For most people, that's not the case.
	It's bad.
	It seems like an actual pathology.
	And I guess it affects lots and lots of people, particularly women.
	I feel really Sorry for them.
	You know that thing quite often you see on Twitter or just on the internet?
	It's like, look at this actor or actress in the 80s and look at them now.
	It's like, yeah.
	They got older.
	Yeah, decades past.
	Yeah, you get older.
	Yeah. I mean, it's easy for me to say because I realised I was going bald really early.
	I was 16 or 17. My hairline's going.
	By the time I'm like 18 or 19, I'd just come to terms with it.
	And I'd had extremely short hair as a child.
	It was no problem just to shave my head for me.
	Come to terms with it and get over it.
	And it's easy for me to say that, but if you, for whatever reason, can't get over it, can't deal with the fact you've got a wrinkle now, I'm sorry for it.
	This is the point, isn't it?
	Like you, you were like, okay, I've moved to a new stage of my life.
	You know, this is, I, I've become a different person.
	I've grown older and I, you know, there are stages in your life that you move through as, you know, you'd be a young person to an adult, sort of, you know, sort of patriarch to a sort of grandfather, you know, and the, the sort of pre-modern interpretation of a human life is that you'll occupy all of these stages so you need to be prepared for all of these but actually we live in a culture that doesn't have any guidance for men or women as they grow older and it just kind of says no no we're only gonna fixate on you in your 20s and so you better hope like you stay like that forever because Everything after that's
	bad. And I also think there's a big pharmaceutical push as well because these are all pharmaceutical products and I mean I've never researched to see what this industry makes but I can guarantee it's got to be billions.
	It's 3.6 billion.
	There you go.
	Last year.
	And is that just in the UK or is that?
	That's just in the UK.
	That's not even America.
	So and then we're watching all these American actresses or TV stars and then you're seeing and even when I did the Housewives of Cheshire they'd love to show the women having procedures done.
	I mean I didn't do it but that would be You know part of the thing someone's getting their cheeks I mean this is the most disgusting one I've watched on there someone getting their cheeks threaded to pull their cheeks up they literally put threads in it's so disgusting and pull their face up with these threads and you know that every season somebody's off getting injected with something or other or having come some kind of surgery um and then even on my um Instagram So I'm assuming this must
	be the same for young girls.
	On my Instagram, because they've taken off the hashtag feature where I could choose what I want to see, they give me suggestions and for some reason they keep giving me Facelift suggestions!
	Let me get back to that because that's interesting how you bring that up.
	Right, so she says, until a few years ago, I considered Botox an ill-advised treatment reserved for older women that could leave you with a frozen, rather startled expression.
	But after seeing plenty of people my age who have had it and honestly look great, I've changed my mind.
	I said, OK, I'm sure that when you're 26 years old, you can do these things.
	And in the moment, they look fine.
	But as things change, as you pointed out, this is going to have a long-term detrimental effect.
	But she says, Some will wonder why on earth young people without wrinkles want to stick needles in their face.
	They'll blame extreme vanity or intense insecurity.
	But to them I say, try growing up with Instagram in your pocket.
	In an age where filtered photos and clever plastic surgery make it seem like the signs of aging are optional, it's no wonder that I, like many of my contemporaries, feel pressure to preempt the ravages of time.
	You're exactly right.
	It is the fact that it's Instagram.
	Again, this is one of those, okay, you know, social media bad for boys, you know, adolescence, I agree.
	Now let's talk about whether it's good for girls.
	And actually this is kind of demented, but a 26 year old is like, you know what?
	I'm too old.
	I need to fix my face.
	No, it's crazy.
	And when you see, like I said, these things popping up on your Instagram with the fillers, but then you see, um, you'll see somebody on TV and you'll see their filtered program but what they're filtered pictures on Instagram but when you actually see them say in a paparazzi picture you can see like all the lumps of filler where it's all migrated and then you know you've got Kylie Jenner she did so much at such a young age and she's looked at by so many people and so many you know girls
	that I guess it's kind of just being pushed and promoted and saying like this is And I see on one of the comments there, it says it's driven by women.
	I just...
	I think it is.
	I don't think it's men driving this at all.
	But I think that we can take a word from this, saying, look, you know, it's Instagram, it's social media.
	I'm seeing all of this on social media and it's making, it's putting it in my mind.
	It's what I'm perceiving.
	You know, because if she was like running around a house chasing after her kids or something, she wouldn't be thinking about this.
	She'd be thinking about nappies, right?
	Her algorithm would be like, these nappies would be good, or these wet wipes or whatever, right?
	It's about the life that she's leading and she's just on Instagram looking at when you see like I've seen videos of the Instagram models setting up photos.
	They take like six hours to set one photo.
	So every little thing and then they touch it with Photoshop and stuff like that.
	Then they put it up and it's like that's got to be bad for women's self-perception.
	It has to be bad because you will never just look like that normally.
	And men aren't looking at these things either, right?
	So men aren't like getting a distorted opinion of what a woman should actually look like through Instagram.
	Because we just look at women and be like, right, that's a normal woman.
	That's a normal woman.
	Right. I know what a woman looks like.
	And so that's how my standards are calibrated.
	You know?
	So it's like, this is something it seems that women are definitely doing to themselves.
	Yeah. And I think a lot of the female influencers, unless it's like maybe a bikini model or something, but a lot of the female fashion influences or beauty influences are followed by women.
	They're not, you know, they're not followed.
	They're not there doing, you know, what I'm wearing and, you know, long outfits and stuff for, you know, Guys, it is for other women because they're getting paid to then get, you know, their followers then go out and purchase the outfit.
	So, you know.
	A culture of sort of fairly extreme vanity isn't healthy and I can't really relate to it because...
	I'm like, I don't think I've ever taken a selfie in my life.
	Maybe once or twice because I had to for some reason for like a website needed facial recognition or something.
	I just don't take selfies like I don't you see some people often women, younger women.
	You need to start taking selfies.
	Yeah. You see often young women perhaps on the train and they're just looking at themselves on their phone.
	Oh yeah.
	They're just endlessly just looking at themselves.
	Really? I haven't noticed.
	I see it all the time.
	I've seen it, I've seen it, I've seen it all over the place, in restaurants, everywhere.
	It's not even the food anymore, it's themselves in a restaurant.
	People that take hundreds of selfies, it's just a regular thing, part of their day is to take a few selfies.
	Or just to look at themselves in a mirror or in a shop front, just to...
	I don't do that.
	I've never done that.
	A generation of narcissists.
	I feel a fraud wearing loads and loads of...
	because I've got loads of makeup on.
	Because I'm on your podcast, I'm like, well, I should show up respectable.
	When I'm home on the farm, I just...
	My poor fiancé, if I do my hair and put makeup on, he used to say, oh, you look nice.
	What are you doing?
	Or now it's like, what podcast are you going on?
	Because he knows I must be doing a podcast if I've got makeup on.
	So, you know, that's as far as it goes for me.
	So, I want to carry on with a little bit of this, because this is just fascinating.
	She says, and she makes a reasonably good argument as to the state of the culture as well, right?
	It says, we've grown up believing that it's normal to change things that you don't like about your appearance.
	Things too fat?
	There's a jab for that.
	Nose too big?
	Get surgery.
	As for Botox, it can only erase fine lines, not deep wrinkles, so why wait?
	Well, this is why so many women my age are opting to get it before those age-betraying wrinkles have made themselves known.
	And that's a fair point.
	I mean, we are exactly that kind of culture.
	Rather than promoting a lifestyle of virtue where you do exercise and you eat healthily and you take care of yourself for your own good and for others, we instead say, no, you can just eat what you want and we will find a pill for that, a jab for that.
	You don't have to change your lifestyle that's causing all of these negative effects.
	We can just use science to fix it.
	And so it's no surprise that they'd be like, yeah, OK, well, I'll do that.
	Since it's readily available and affordable.
	And good point about the algorithm earlier.
	She says, And again,
	people react to what they are constantly exposed to right see and I get the same kind of suggestions come up but sometimes I look at them in horror so I click because I'm like oh my god I've got to see this like it's horrific reeled you in yeah and they reeled me in and so that just makes the algorithm stronger so I think then I get more and what I've got to do is like however horrific it is or however drastic I've just got to say right no I'm going to go and click on
	There's a rather large Facebook group called the Dull Men's Club.
	I'd just like to credit them with keeping my algorithm clean.
	Whenever I'm like, no, I don't want to see any more of that, I go click on their page and I get very boring things like fixing shelves or something.
	It's annoying when you click on something to hate watch it, but then the algorithm thinks you want that now.
	It's like, no, I clicked on Shenkiga one time and now you keep...
	But you advocate that don't you?
	Just living healthy, be healthy and eat healthy and you won't age because you're still very youthful looking right?
	I don't want to seem too over the top but like you used to say you know eat healthy Yeah.
	And be healthy and you won't age terribly.
	You won't need surgery when you're 41. Radical advice.
	Well this is it.
	It's like, you know, it's not a vanity thing.
	I just want a healthy body so I don't get sick and I don't get ill and I can keep pursuing all my hobbies and all the things that I love doing and that's why I want to keep my body nice and healthy.
	So I think eat well, exercise well, give yourself like the correct nutrition and Correct amount of fluids and stuff and you know, I think that helps.
	When people here eat well, what they hear, I think, is eat salads.
	And it's like, no, you don't have to.
	You can eat really nice food.
	Just not like deep-fried junk.
	Exactly! That's literally that simple.
	Seed oils, because they have seed oils.
	A massive tub of ice cream at 3am.
	Stop doing that, for a start.
	Well, I'm out.
	But anyway, yeah, the lip frill, as you pointed out, definitely is causing a lot of damage.
	And you can see these are obviously young women, you know, sort of 20, 23, something like that.
	And I mean, just again, just to be clear, as a man, There is nothing appealing about this.
	It's unnatural, isn't it?
	It's clearly, obviously, at a glance, unnatural.
	Yeah, it's completely unnatural.
	It's, you know, if my wife were like, this doesn't make me want to kiss women, you know, this is, you know, kind of horrific.
	Don't do it.
	Don't agree with it.
	Don't think you should.
	I don't think you're helping yourselves.
	It looks like you've been smashed in the mouth.
	You've got two fat lips.
	You know, when you talked about me having my horse smack me around the face, my lip ended up looking something like that on half the side.
	On one side?
	Yeah. So, they've spoken to some doctors for this and they say, quote, we've seen patients with massive stream of complications such as infections, bruising, disfigured lips and necrosis.
	Is she dying?
	To kill the flesh.
	Yeah. So, I mean, it's not good.
	And perhaps most frightening of all, some studies show that too much Botox can prematurely age you, which is ironic.
	Right. And various doctors from America who have done this sort of thing have said, if you do too much Botox in your forehead for many, many years, the muscles become weaker and flatter and makes the skin a pin thinner and looser.
	And so you're going to look more wrinkly.
	See?
	Right, no, no, you are absolutely right.
	I'm just like this pot of useless knowledge.
	You are absolutely right.
	In fact, listen, what's interesting as well is at the end of this one, she kind of accepts that that's the case.
	Right. And, uh, she says, right at the bottom here.
	Here we go.
	Right. So she says, um, Admittedly, my generation are baby Botox guinea pigs.
	We don't know what the long-term effects will be until it's too late.
	We kind of do, actually.
	Yeah, I'm ashamed to say my concern pales into near insignificance each time I catch those pesky lines around my eyes.
	If it's a case of look great now, pay later, so be it.
	Besides, every day a new study article warns me that my diet coke obsession or sedentary job is shortening my lifespan.
	What's an injection not to qualify?
	Well, I don't think the issue is this is going to shorten your lifespan.
	It's that by the time you're 35, when you could still be a very youthful looking attractive woman if you just have a nice healthy lifestyle, you're going to look like an old crone.
	Stuff like this does seem to me to border on minor pathology.
	Yeah. There's a problem in your mind about it.
	Exactly. The problem is her perception of her lines.
	And your forehead as well, of all things.
	Your forehead's supposed to be lined.
	There's no way it won't be.
	I don't understand this when the male version would be maybe body dysmorphia or something.
	Or a guy gets obsessed with having massive calves or something weird.
	It's like, really?
	That's the thing you're going to get all weird?
	Worried about is how big your calves are or whatever it is.
	I mean, I do have a bit of a paranoia about my forehead because I have an extremely wrinkly forehead, as pointed out by one of the housewives of Cheshire, who I swear they were trying to get me to go and get it.
	Oh, thanks very much.
	By the way, you've got a wrinkly forehead.
	Thanks. You know what?
	You can definitely tell.
	I can't hide my reaction to anything because I speak with my entire face.
	But yeah, but you know what?
	If you look at Madonna and Roseanne Barr, I think That those are the two things like whoever thought when younger Roseanne Barr would look like a million times better than Madonna but she really does.
	Madonna looks atrocious like it's just grandma please stop.
	Yeah. Like it's gone.
	Yeah look at that.
	The youth has gone you are 65 or whatever it is.
	Looks like a demon.
	Yeah yeah genuinely it's just um.
	That will be filler where it's been all like put in to reshape her face and yeah.
	But anyway, so we'll leave that there.
	But basically, ladies, no one else notices your crow's feet or anything.
	You know, we don't care.
	It's all in your minds.
	Don't get this done, because you're burning up the future in service of the present.
	But you're going to make, you know, you're going to have, like, 10 good years, say, of being, like, youthful from, like, 26 to 35 or whatever.
	But then you've got another 30 or 40 years of looking terrible.
	It'll be a false economy.
	Yes, completely.
	You're burning up the future for the benefit of the present.
	The present doesn't last all that long.
	Anyway, Ramshackalot says, I wish to point out that lip fillers and Brazilian butt lifts...
	What? Brazilian butt lift?
	Oh, that's when...
	I think you can get...
	Like a boob lift, but for your butt?
	No, I think they inject like a filler in their bums.
	There is something where you, I mean I don't know because I would, it's not where they've, I've seen where they put implants in and I've seen this woman turning her butt implants round.
	It was so disgusting.
	I think that is, I don't think they're meant to do that.
	But I think Brazilian thingies, they inject their bottoms as well.
	I don't know.
	I've heard people have died from butt implants.
	Samson, we haven't actually got time for the video comments today I'm afraid, so apologies to the Gold Team members, we'll do them tomorrow.
	Well, there is something to that.
	I mean, like, if you look at the sort of, like, Sydney Sweeney types, that's clearly not for other women, her beauty standards.
	She's clearly...
	I don't know who that is.
	Samson. American actress.
	Samson, get Sydney Sweeney.
	I think it's the same for men as well, in terms of being built and buff and swole.
	It's like, Dudes egg each other on to do that, I think, mainly.
	Cut between these beauty standards are clearly for men, right?
	Yes. And that's fine, that's totally normal.
	You can tell the constituency she's appealing to.
	The Botox stuff and all that sort of stuff, that's very clearly women.
	I think it's the same with men, right?
	I've never had a girlfriend who said, I insist you get bigger shoulders and pecs.
	Yeah. But in the gym it'll be dudes egging each other on for more reps.
	Get bigger, get bigger, eat big.
	It's men on men stuff.
	It's just the same with women.
	You must have no wrinkles.
	Are women generally attracted to roided up muscle hulks?
	I personally am not.
	I'm not at all.
	I've never met one.
	not at all yeah that's yeah anyway so that's that's true Race Quit Ninja says most beauty stands for women oh I read that one That's a Random Name says as a 28 year old man I am eternally To be fair, that's a good point.
	You're on a dating app and you can see someone with a puffed up face.
	Swipe left.
	I think that's how it works.
	Anyway, George says, I don't think there will be a proper civil war.
	There are no two clearly defined sides other than the Islamo-leftists and normies trying to protect their kids.
	The English still trust the state and institutions way too much for anything to erupt on a massive scale.
	Yeah, and I think, I do think there's something to that.
	I think that one of the reasons we're seeing these sort of like civil war coming articles is because in another country, that wasn't Britain, Well, it'd be all over the streets, right?
	I mean, like, France, they're constantly rioting and things like this, whereas we're, like, not doing anything.
	And so I think they're kind of, are we in the eye of the storm or something, you know?
	You said earlier on, Elani, that you're surprised that there's not more anger, more uprising that hasn't happened already.
	Yeah, I remember in 2005 with the 7-7 things, I was caught up in that in a minor way.
	I was surprised there was no repercussions then after the Manchester Arena, after the endless revelations of the grooming gangs.
	Nothing. And it's only after the Southport thing that anything has really ever happened, right?
	It's sort of surprising because, again, if you look at times gone by at different places in the world, but also Britain in centuries past, sometimes there'll be like one murder and the whole country goes mad.
	I think of the Moors murders.
	That's a kind of legendary event now.
	It's a series of murders, but...
	It's not widespread.
	I was thinking like in the medieval period, like one kid gets murdered and a whole community gets massacred.
	Oh, pogroms, right?
	Yeah, not always against Jews.
	Could be against all sorts of things.
	It could be against like the Dutch wool merchants.
	We're going to butcher all the Dutch wool merchants now because they did this one thing.
	What's crazy to me, and which is why I think some of it's kind of pre-planned or orchestrated, is that we saw more people getting out into the streets over, you know, George Floyd, which happened in America, it's not even an English or British issue.
	And we saw people going crazy over that.
	And like, where's that same passion for what's, you know, going on in our country by the British people?
	Keir Starmer didn't bend the knee for the Southport girls, did he?
	No! The juxtaposition is remarkable between the George Floyd incident and its repercussions and equivalence in the white community.
	Yeah, I mean locking up for social media tweets.
	I mean this This is what's crazy to me that you know, so many people have been put away for something They've said a lot of things weren't even that bad A lot of the totally blown out of context a woman saying I don't care if they burn a mosque.
	Okay, or a hotel Okay, not great, but it's not incitement to violence.
	It's a statement of indifference We mentioned I'd say for is like the the thought police.
	Yeah, they'll come for you But I think this is, so that's kind of why I'm sat on that problem reaction solution thing of do they actually want one to happen so that they really can have the thought police out there and put the thought police in place for more control.
	The only objection I really have to that is it implies a level of cognition and planning that I don't think they're capable of.
	I don't think Keir Starmer's that smart.
	I don't think Angelo Rainer's that smart.
	I don't think Any of the people in charge are actually bright enough to orchestrate some sort of 4D chess.
	What about the people in those three-letter acronym clubs, like the WEF and...
	Well, just like in 1984, the way that picture is microphoned, you know that bit where he says, we are the dead, and the thought police are just like, you are the dead!
	Well, that's everyone's phone.
	Edward Snowden told us that whether it's GCHQ or the NSA, if they want to, they can just Watch or hear everything that's in the earshot of your phone, if they want to.
	Just like in 1984, they bugged your room, essentially.
	Well, the ads definitely do.
	Because we all know the ads definitely do a million percent.
	It is the creepiest thing, isn't it?
	But the thing is, right, so I've had this, where I've literally just had thoughts in my head, right?
	And I've literally been, like, watching something on TV, or I've been doing something, like, you know, Cooking dinner or something.
	I had a thought, oh, that's an interesting thing.
	Maybe I'll look at that later.
	I haven't said anything verbal.
	I haven't spoken to anyone.
	I haven't googled anything.
	It's just a thought crossed my mind.
	And then the next time I put my phone, that thing will be on my phone.
	I'm like, okay, this is weird.
	I've had that before.
	It feels like I've had that before.
	Yeah. And the only thing I can assume is that there's a kind of, uh, like a network of pattern that you're doing.
	And so things that you've done It increases the likelihood that you're going to have that thought.
	So there's kind of a predictive element to it.
	I can only assume that's it.
	Because I'm sure they're not reading my mind.
	I actually think that is a possible thing because I actually watched a guy that does hypnosis get somebody to draw a bit of art.
	And it was very similar to one he'd done.
	But what he'd done is he'd picked the artist up, drove the artist through certain places to give them prompts.
	And so it was a very similar picture to what he'd put on, like a bear and they pop up, or something like that.
	NLP, Neuro Linguistic Programming.
	Yeah, I can only assume.
	You just suggest things to people and then you know what they're going to think or say, potentially.
	Yeah, Neuro Linguistic Programming.
	Yeah, there's a whole field of study.
	And we'll end on Omar says all MPs beside Rupert Lowe are completely out of touch because their preference, their only reference for public sentiment is the Westminster bubble.
	Muslims don't need to be a significant portion of the electorate, just Westminster.
	The tipping point was allowing foreigners to gain public office because nobody fights harder for their corner than a usurper.
	Good point to be honest.
	Yeah but he's absolutely right like the the perception of the politicians that Muslims are everywhere but it's actually no they're not.
	What are you talking about?
	You know they're concentrated in a few Towns and cities.
	But anyway, Leilani, where can people find more of you if they'd like to find you?
	Well, I got thrown off Instagram, so...
	Why? Oh, I think it was for Speaking Gates lockdowns and showing how people have to walk into shops without masks.
	Oh, I can see why they did that.
	But I am on there as Leilani Dowd, so half of my first name and half of my second name, and then on Twitter, Leilani Dowding.
	I've got I'm usually on there a lot more.
	It's a bit more of like...
	You're quite unforgiving with your tweets.
	I'm a bit rude, aren't I?
	Do you know, I use it as...
	I need to rant.
	I need to...
	Like I said to you, I can't...
	If I'm in a bad mood, I don't want to ride my horses because they pick up on it.
	So I just get everything out on Twitter.
	It's like a purge of my anger.
	It's good.
	I think it's funny.
	I think it's funny.
	Yeah, you're not taking any prisoners a lot of the time.
	And I see this tweet and I'm like, oh bloody hell.
	I get typos because I don't know if you've seen the gif of Kermit the Frog just like...
	And that's me when I'm typing so there's a few typos in there and I'm like shit now I've got to delete it.
	It ruins everything doesn't it?
	I was going to give it to them but then I misspelled something.
	So anyway go follow Leilani and we'll be back in half an hour with Lads Hour where we are playing Ethnogesso which I'm sure will be fun and uncontroversial.

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