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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #1098

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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for the 11th of February.
	It is a Tuesday.
	I'm joined by Bo and Dr. Charles Cornish Dale, otherwise known as Roaring Nationalist.
	And we are going to be talking about why young people hate Britain, why doxing the Annons isn't really working as well as it used to, and the best Gaza deal.
	No one's seen a Gaza deal like it.
	Everyone agrees.
	What Trump's doing with Gaza, basically, and the effect we expect that to have.
	So, without further ado, it's recently been released, announced, informed on the internet that young people hate Britain.
	And you can't really blame them, can you?
	Britain's a bit of a state.
	What is there to love?
	I mean...
	Everyone knows the country's going downhill.
	Everyone can see it.
	I've noticed just normal people now just saying much the same thing.
	We've been saying for the past five years or so.
	But look, this country's going downhill and nothing is being done to stop it.
	And a lot of people still haven't connected that to our, say, open borders policy or our wealth redistribution policies.
	The fact that the NHS is massive albatross around our necks or anything like this.
	But they are starting to realise, wow, this wasn't as bad as it is now when I was growing up.
	It's difficult, if not impossible, to notice.
	Yes.
	This is sad for people of sort of our age who remember the before time when Britain actually was quite nice and wasn't terrible or overrun or collapsing under the weight of its own age.
	But a lot of young people don't remember that time because of course, for people of about 25 years old, the only memories you really have are of a dilapidated country that is overrun by people from foreign lands.
	Will you ever remember?
	This is the problem with, and I don't mean to take a pop at all young people, it's not their fault.
	No, it's fine.
	I'm about to do that.
	Okay.
	It's not necessarily their fault.
	But one of the classic 101 leftoid things to do is to divorce people from their history.
	So, obviously, being a history nerd, you know, I look back at a thousand years of glorious tradition and all those cliches and realise that it's not over.
	I think we've got a very, very deep well to draw upon.
	But where we've very deliberately been divorced from that, younger people not really encouraged, certainly in school it's not really on the curriculum, to be reminded of all these things.
	But when I was driving, so I went to Oxford yesterday.
	Social engagement at Oxford.
	First time I've been back there.
	High table?
	No, it wasn't high table.
	In many respects, it was quite a low affair.
	Anyway, I was driving up to Oxford and about once every six to eight months I listen to Stairway to Heaven.
	One way or another.
	I can only handle it about once every six to eight months.
	But it always comes on at some kind of sort of pivotal moment.
	Like there's something about the song.
	It always just comes on.
	So I was listening to How the West Was Won, which is the live Led Zeppelin album that was released in the 90s, I think.
	And anyway, I was driving past South Cadbury, which is an Iron Age hill fort.
	Somerset, and was repurposed into a burr by Alfred the Great, and the song reached the fanfare just before the solo, you know, this really sort of, this climactic moment.
	As I came past this beautiful hill fort in the mist, and I could just see fluttering on the highest point a Union flag, I thought, wow, wow, that's, you know.
	That's a vibe.
	That's a feeling.
	I felt connected, I think, to the history.
	I felt kind of melancholy, but also some hope.
	So, yeah, like you say, we have a deep tradition.
	I hope it's not a glimpse of our future.
	Native white British enclaves are reduced to basically hill faults.
	Well, again.
	Remembering the glorious past.
	So let's get into the numbers.
	So this is, I went through the 2021 census this morning.
	Weirdly, there weren't any graphs on it, so I had an Excel spreadsheet I had to put these out on.
	But these are the numbers of young people from the ages of 0 to 29 in Britain at the moment.
	Because it seems that things are worse than they actually are.
	And one of the common refrains is, well, young people in Britain hate Britain so much because so many of them are not British.
	And there is some truth to that.
	I said that the other day, actually, on Twitter.
	Well, there is some truth to that.
	That's the thing.
	But there's also a large number of young people who are native, who have just been propagandized to hate their own country, hate their own history.
	And this is worth talking about.
	So, as you can see by this graph, 75% of the young people in Britain identify as white.
	Now, that's not just white British.
	I couldn't actually find that individual number, but if you look at the same census, 48.7 million of the residents of England and Wales identify as white, and they call it the high-level category.
	But if you drill down into that, the white British ethnic group, so Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish, or English, is 74%, so 44 million.
	So about 3.3 million Europeans.
	So that probably goes down to roughly about 70%, which, okay, well, that could be worse.
	Not great, but it could be worse.
	And so out of that, we've got probably around 14 million, somewhere between 14 and 15 million white British people in Britain.
	Well, in England and Wales, so white English.
	But we also have...
	Two and a half million Asians, over a million blacks, over a million mixed, and then half a million others.
	So it's not that there aren't large numbers of people.
	And this is people who are going to be, like the average age is going to be around 16 of these people as well.
	So this is not well-weighted.
	For example, new births are disproportionately of minority background, something like 40%.
	Newborns of minority background and things like this.
	So it's not perfect.
	And of course, what this doesn't do is show you geographic location.
	The ethnic minorities are of course more heavily concentrated in the cities.
	The shires are of course more almost entirely white English.
	So, but anyway, like I said, it's bad, but it's not as bad as it could be.
	It could be worse.
	And so while there is going to be a lot of young people who are Either first or second generation immigrants who have never been taught that this is a good country and they should like it.
	Here and why not?
	Why wouldn't you embrace the country in which you live?
	A lot of it is going to be English kids who have just been told that they live in a bad country and their country is evil.
	And in fact racist.
	Anyway, so...
	Stained with the original guilt of your ancestors.
	Stained with the original sin.
	So this is Eric Kaufman's report in The Political Culture of Young Britain.
	For policy exchange in which he interviewed 1500 and something young people under 29 and he came to a bunch of conclusions.
	So we can get out to page 10, just get some graphs up for you.
	Then you'll find that young people, and this is not going to be terribly surprising, skew very much to the left.
	Now this reports of the zoomers going right wing.
	No, not really.
	There's no evidence to suggest that at all.
	In fact, two-thirds of Zoomers are very left-wing, as far as they identify, and only a third of Zoomers, as you can see here by this graph, are right-wing.
	So there's no reason to think we've got a right-wing Zoomer revolution on our hands.
	No, where would that have come from?
	Why would they think that?
	Like, if these people have been in Tony Blair's education system their entire lives, is it any wonder they're basically communists?
	I don't know, though.
	I mean, I think that's the reason at least to be hopeful.
	I mean, a third plus.
	I mean, that's a decent number.
	It's not bad.
	Yeah, it could be much worse.
	I mean, remember the American Revolution, it was, what, 3%?
	What?
	3%, you know, 33%.
	I think you can do something with that, at least.
	Okay, I like that position.
	That's interesting.
	I was going to make almost the exact same point.
	I wonder if it would probably be a lot worse if you looked at the same figures in the 60s or 70s.
	It would be, like, much less than a third.
	And, you know, historically, it only takes a small number of movers to change the world.
	But you're right, it's not like it's the other way round.
	And, in fact, actually, the growth of left-wing identification, the massive growth, let's say, of left-wing identification, if that is true, is a sign that actually people are, people's opinions are plastic, you know.
	So, actually, you know.
	What it would probably take, actually, as a right-wing system with right-wing indoctrination, and then maybe you would have a reversal of these figures.
	You absolutely could, and I think you are exactly right.
	One of the main concerns that the Zuma youth have is that Britain is racist.
	Now, they only think that because they have been taught to think that.
	They didn't come to these conclusions on their own because, of course, if you were looking around, what would be the evidence of that?
	It would fly directly in the face of your own personal experience that you see non-ethnically indigenous people advancing in every sphere of life to the point where now the Conservative Party has a Yoruba woman in charge.
	You'd be like, okay, but where's the racism?
	If you are objectively, empirically looking for racism, it'd be difficult to find.
	The Anglosphere is the least racist place on the entire globe.
	Yeah.
	By a long way.
	I mean, it's enshrined in now...
	And Britain and the United States and Australia have got whole versions of the Race Relations Act.
	Exactly.
	And culturally, it's not been something that people are in favour of, which is why openly nativist and ethno-nationalist parties have never really had any major political success.
	So if you were looking for racism, you'd have trouble finding it.
	But if you've been propagandised, and this shows us the power of the propaganda.
	But anyway, so 67% identify with some sort of left-wing party.
	Greens, Labour, Conservatives.
	No, Conservatives are treated as a right-wing party in this.
	So, probably about 15%, really.
	Anyway, so what's interesting is the split on this is actually more among the white British youth themselves.
	So, as you can see, there's a massive drift in ideology.
	So, most of them consider themselves to be some flavour of left.
	17% centre, but only 22% consider themselves some sort of right.
	So when asked directly about their personal ideology, even the Tory voting ones think of themselves probably mostly as centre or left.
	So not great.
	But then you see ideology by race, and this is interesting.
	So as you can see, the blue bars are the white population, and the orange bars are the non-white population.
	And the blue bars...
	Way more left than the other ones.
	Not by that much.
	But the non-white population tends to cluster actually more around the center, which is a strange thing.
	So it shows you that the...
	And you're going to be surprised to learn that it's mostly left-wing women as well.
	Young white women.
	Do they break it down then by gender?
	There is.
	Break it down by gender.
	Let me find it.
	Because that's, I mean, that's a general point about leftward drift, isn't it, across the Western world.
	It is women, and it's probably the contraceptive still in part as well.
	Sorry, there is a breakdown.
	Some of what might explain that is that a lot of traditional communities or communities from the Third World or other places in the world are what we might consider Conservative with a small c.
	Strongly conservative.
	So they bring that here with them.
	Oh yeah, here we go.
	Sorry, it's on this one.
	So as you can see, people in favour of political correctness, which is another barometer of whether someone is left-wing or not.
	Well, 56% of women are in favour.
	44% of men are in favour.
	39% of men are opposed.
	And only 15% of women are opposed.
	Hmm.
	I mean, all metrics.
	Non-white people are twice as likely as white women to be opposed to political correctness.
	By quite some margin, it seems, at a glance.
	Yeah, by a large margin.
	And so, interesting how this is the case.
	In every space, basically, if we get to page 18, you can see that young people are ideologically very left-wing.
	So students at university, 57%, knowingly left-wing.
	Taking a year out before attending university, 57%.
	Working plans to attend university, 53%.
	Student further education in college, 50%.
	Even if you get down to working with no plans to attend university, 34%.
	Even if they're paying taxes, they haven't been indoctrinated by the woke university system.
	It shows you the power of the left-wing culture in which we live.
	They still A third of them think of themselves as doctrinaire leftists, and this is something that is embedded in their minds.
	So we've got a bit of an uphill struggle with the youth, as it were.
	One thing that I found particularly strange, if I get to page 23, here we go, the rise in LGBT identification.
	So this is essentially a metric of how debauched they have been by left-wing activists in our schools and universities.
	How perverted they have been.
	Only 60%, and I mean like this is a thing that has been done to them, right?
	I don't think they began perverse and wanting to be strange and not normal.
	I think that this has been done to them.
	So only 60% of zoomers say they're heterosexual.
	40% of them identify in some other way.
	Now, 16% of that is bisexual, which probably just a way of getting out of the presser category for a lot of people.
	But the point being, this is left-wing teachers meddling with their minds, meddling with their preferences, making them think that actually it is better to be not normal than it is to be normal, which of course in any other time or context would be a horrific thing to do to anyone.
	Historically speaking, it does speak of a decline in civilization.
	Look at the late Ptolemaic period or the late Byzantine period, the massive growth in androgyny or homosexuality.
	It speaks of decline on a civilizational level.
	But what I think it more directly speaks to is that there was a cultural revolution that took place in Britain under the Blair years, and this is its fruit, to literally propagandise people against their better interests.
	And I can say confidently this is against their better interests.
	Because, of course, these people have atrocious mental health.
	Absolutely atrocious.
	So, one of the most damning graphs is this one.
	So, are you sad or anxious most of the time?
	Well, only 25% of Zoom are men.
	Of course, we can see from the graphs that we've covered, they're the most right-wing.
	Not by a huge amount, but they are at least more right-wing than their female cohort.
	The LGBT, nearly half of them, are sad or anxious most of the time.
	So is it good to have the lifestyle that you have or is it good to have a normal lifestyle?
	Well, three quarters of the men would say probably better to have, I'm not sad or anxious most of the time.
	Half of the LGBT say, yes, no, I am sad or anxious most of the time.
	So I'm just saying, I don't think that what's been done to them is good.
	And you can see 43% of women there as well.
	And of course, most of the, the slightly left, very left and centrist ones.
	Huge numbers.
	Only 24% of the slightly right and 24% of the very right people feel sad or anxious most of the time.
	I feel like there's a wider trend as well, just like the infantilisation of people.
	I mean, I remember, we're old enough to remember, sort of, we were kids in the 80s, right, and teenagers in the 90s, formative years in the 80s and 90s.
	And even then, i.e.
	not very long ago, you just weren't really asked if you were sad or anxious.
	Ever, really.
	It was just, get on with it.
	And if you go back, Generations before that, I think of maybe the boomer generation, not having a pop at boomers for once, just the greatest generation and the generation after that.
	You weren't asked, you weren't sort of polled about how anxious you are, right?
	And I mean, I remember a couple of little points.
	I remember in the 1990 World Cup when Gazza cried when he got a yellow card in the semi-final and would miss the fight and he cried and everyone was like, what?
	A man?
	Crying in public.
	There was the famous Walker's advert as well, right?
	Where Gary Lineker has his crisp packet, he's in the stand and Gazza puts his hand in to steal some and Gary Lineker crushes it and Gazza starts pouring tears.
	I mean, it was, yeah, it was ridiculous.
	Even then, like in the early 90s, you weren't encouraged to be that emotional.
	There's a really early Simpsons episode when Homer, Marge buggers up the washing and Homer ends up with a pink shirt.
	And he's going to be ostracised and humiliated for going to work wearing a pink shirt.
	And again, that was like what the late 80s or early 90s sort of, I don't want to get all Nesta about it, old man Nesta, but men were men a bit more back then.
	And now you're encouraged to, there's nothing wrong with wearing pink or having a little crier or being anxious all the time and admitting to it.
	I think there might be actually, but anyway.
	I just, I don't know.
	People should just get on with their lives a bit more.
	I made a kind of glib comment about birth control making women more left-wing.
	But, I mean, you have to talk about medication.
	Antidepressants.
	Antidepressants.
	I wrote an article fairly recently, or a kind of opinion piece for the Epoc Times recently, about the fact that a quarter of all adults in Scotland are on antidepressants.
	One million out of four.
	And then I think another...
	Maybe another million are on benzodiazepines and anti-anxiety drugs and zopaclone and all of these kind of pain relief medication.
	I mean, we're very close actually to the kind of Brave New World scenario of total medication.
	And it's worse for young people.
	It's worse.
	A quarter of adults are more than that.
	The reason I'm hammering the point so hard that this is a product of ideological indoctrination is you can see that the The right-wing heterosexuals are by far the most normal, happy, well-adjusted people.
	The people with the problems are young women who have been, I think, particularly susceptible to this through literally a generation of feminist indoctrination and LGBT people, which is apparently now 40% of the Zuma cohort compared to the 28% of the heterosexuals.
	But you know, so there was a study that I wrote about as well, a new study of contraceptive pill that shows that use during teenage years shrinks a region of the female brain associated with fear processing and emotional control.
	I forget the name of it.
	The point is it negatively affects them.
	Yeah, it actually, you can do MRI scans and you see that the thickness of the brain...
	And then if you start taking the pill when you're a teenager, it doesn't come back.
	Your brain doesn't return to normal or end up being normal volume.
	So it's shrinking the regions of women's brains that are associated with proper fear processing and control of their emotions.
	I mean, it's a normal thing for girls to go on birth control in their teenage years.
	It's treatment for acne.
	You know, it's a normal thing.
	Millions of girls.
	Who knows what the results are?
	Very interesting point you made just real quick about Brave New World.
	In that, I re-listened to the audiobook just a couple of weekends ago.
	If you ever feel any kind of discomfort or unhappiness at all, you just take Soma.
	You just go on quote-unquote holiday until you get better.
	Just zonk yourself out.
	We are very close to that.
	If something like one in four Scots or just a massive chunk of the whole population are on...
	I mean, it's a harsh indictment, a terrible indictment of where we are.
	And it's not just Scotland's weather either.
	It's not just that it's grim off the border.
	Because it's the rest of the Western world as well.
	It's America.
	It's completely cultural.
	Yeah, it is.
	Completely cultural and ideological.
	It's considered to be a better way of being.
	And look actually at the debate over RFK Jr.'s confirmation.
	Well, look at the way that...
	Bernie Sanders grilled RFK Jr. He was saying to him, look, I agree with Make America Healthy Again, but what we need is we need universal health care.
	So it's not that actually what you need to do is you need to reform the fundamental structures of health care in the US because those structures are making people unwell.
	It's actually that the totalizing kind of control of the medical industry isn't enough.
	More people need pills.
	And that is basically the leftist standpoint across the Western world.
	Remember, RFK's position is fundamentally you have to change.
	Something about your life is making you unhealthy, it's making you sad, it's making you depressed, therefore you must change.
	And Bernie comes at it from the complete other position of the brave new world.
	No, we can get a pill for that.
	You can take your summer and actually you don't need to change the thing that's making you depressed or unhealthy or...
	Well, Bernie is also, I mean, he sat on, I think, a subcommittee about a ZENPIC provision.
	And they were modelling different scenarios for a ZENPIC uptake and, you know, how much it would cost for 50% of the US population to go on a ZENPIC. You know, because 70% of American adults are overweight or obese.
	And that is their answer to...
	The problem of obesity is, okay, well, we just need to make sure that Novo Nordisk isn't charging too much for a Zempic and that we can get it for everybody.
	There's always a price to be paid, and apparently 10 people were made blind by a Zempic.
	Yep.
	But this is the problem, isn't it?
	RFK wants to make the food better, and the institutions are going to say, no, we've got another money-making venture in this pill, and don't worry, trust us.
	But anyway, getting back to this.
	So Generation Z, of course, think that the UK is racist.
	I actually kind of don't care what they think about what is and what is not racist, because honestly, I don't think a single one of them would be able to actually define the word racist in any meaningful way.
	And also, again, like you were saying, this has been pumped into their soft heads, as Yuri Bezmenov would say, as a way of demoralizing.
	Because ultimately, what do they think the UK ought to be?
	And if the answer is, well, it ought to be essentially an empty geographic space in which no one people on Earth have a claim to it, well...
	I don't think I should finish that sentence.
	Point being, I don't care if they think it's racist and they're stupid to care about the issue themselves.
	But anyway, so this is apparently an authoritative study that was done by YouGov and Public First.
	Which showed that basically, I'll go through this, we've got a bunch of graphs as well.
	Basically, young people just hate Britain because they've been taught to hate Britain.
	So if you go from the study on 2004 to 2024, so in one generation, you can see that 80% of people in Britain, young people in Britain, in 2004 were proud to be British.
	Only 13% said the opposite.
	And in 2024, it's only 41%.
	So in one generation of communist subversion, they have halved the national pride of the young people.
	That is stark, isn't it?
	The thing about fighting for Britain is quite an interesting question, I think, historically.
	Can we get to that in a minute?
	Because it does come down on it a bit.
	So this is a level of demoralisation that is hard to fathom, and you would think that if there was a generally positive narrative of Britain, I think it's
	untrue, which is not good.
	And so the next one is...
	Racism.
	Would you say it's true or untrue that Britain is a racist country?
	Well, back in 2004, only 34%.
	In 2024, 48%.
	And so racism really is just used as a word that means bad or guilty or historically sinned, stained with blood.
	I feel like the definitions and the Overton window on what racism means has just been completely blown out of all proportions in the last generation.
	So now the word racism just means If you don't, well, any sort of in-group preference is racist.
	Among whites, at least.
	Sure, sure.
	Just among whites, yeah.
	So if you don't show, just a, well, if you do show any in-group preference, then you're racist.
	If you are partial to Britain and the British people, then that is a form of racism, as in you have what is broadly termed a race and a preference for it.
	But what you also see as well, actually, you know, you see those infuriating clips on Twitter where people are out and about with a microphone asking, you know, what's good about British culture?
	And then you get all these people saying there isn't a British culture.
	So there's a kind of deeper thing going on where actually there's a denial that there even is such a thing as Britain, that Britain has any kind of stable identity, that there's anything to be proud of in the first place.
	Yep, that's absolutely true.
	And it was all built by diversity, though, at the same time.
	Yeah, we'll get on to that.
	Flaves.
	Flaves in this country.
	And so, the question of immigration.
	How do young people feel about immigration?
	And this, to me, is where it really goes off the rails, right?
	This is how you can see that there is such a thing as false consciousness.
	This is a long-debated philosophical question.
	Is there such a thing as a false?
	Yes, obviously.
	So the statement is, immigration into Britain is good for our economy and society.
	Now, in 2004, 52% of people thought that.
	Because 52% of people...
	I had no idea what the consequences of diversity would be.
	In 2024, 76% of young people agree with that statement.
	Diversity is our strength.
	It's good for the economy, good for society.
	Yesterday in, where was it, Lewisham, there was an African man with a knife waving at a window.
	Makes no impact, as far as they're concerned.
	Well, it's amazing, isn't it?
	Because you think, okay, 2004, that's seven years after Tony Blair came to power.
	Okay, so mass immigration is definitely starting to bite.
	There are stories in the news, whatever.
	2024, we're talking 27 years after, and it's a different country.
	And actually, support for immigration has increased.
	I mean, explain that.
	By a massive amount, by a factor of 25%.
	Sorry, 50%.
	So, I mean, like...
	Britain is more racist, and also immigration is good for Britain and is what's making Britain better socially and economically.
	It's like, but there's just no evidence for this?
	Again, if you were to conduct some kind of empirical study, like, okay, well, have wages gone up?
	Has life expectancy gone up?
	Has access to services gone up?
	Has social cohesion gone up?
	You would be no on all of these factors.
	So you'd have to say, no, immigration has been nothing but a net negative to this country.
	On any empirical metric.
	And yet, the propagandized Zuma, on average, is just like, oh yeah, immigration is good for our country, diversity is our strength.
	It's not just plastic.
	These people essentially have just been...
	They're empty vessels.
	Yeah, they've been pressed out of a mould on the conveyor belt of our public education system.
	Yeah, has terrorist attacks gone through the roof?
	Yeah.
	I mean, again, you could be 20 years old at this point, and you were born, like, you know, the 77 was 2005. So, again, if you're about 20 years old now, you won't have known anything other than sort of a slew...
	The parcel of living in a big city.
	In London, do you get your phone out when you're on the street?
	No, of course not, because someone will steal it.
	This happens to, like, you know, left-wing commentators like Matthew Stadlin, you know, who are like, oh, there's no evidence, and then they get their phone nicked.
	Like, crime is not going down.
	Like, nothing is getting better because of immigration, and yet three-quarters of Zoomers are like, yes, this is good for Britain.
	At this point, though, that one's so stark.
	Does this come from YouGov?
	It's a large one, but it's YouGov and someone else.
	I can't remember the name.
	I would even start to question the source for this, because that's so remarkable.
	Public first as well.
	Are they...
	Well, the chances are they've polled tens of thousands of people with this.
	I haven't actually looked into the back end.
	And, I mean, if you wanted to do a very quick kind of straw poll of your own, then go on a dating app.
	Look at the political preferences of the young.
	Set your looking for, you know, the age bracket that you're looking for.
	I would never set it to 18 to 29. I can't tell if you're being sarcastic on that.
	I really can't.
	Judging by what they think, why would you?
	Well, but yeah, set it to 18 to 29 and see the proportion of...
	Um, users who are liberal and say something shitlibby in their profile and how many even say moderate, um, I think you would, I think you'd probably find it's even starker than that.
	I think you'd find it's like 85%, certainly among women anyway.
	That's the excuse I'm going to use to my wife when she finds my Tinder.
	Um, anyway, so, uh, yeah, going on, going to war.
	Now, um, this isn't as bad as people thought it was, uh, back in 2004. You had 79% said that they would if they agree with it, and they just would otherwise.
	Only 19% would not.
	In 2024, that's 41%, but you've still got 49% who would if they agreed with the reasons, which isn't as bad as the headlines are making out.
	And frankly, I think the other parts of the polling are worse, frankly.
	I think there's 76% thinking that immigration is great.
	Bonkers.
	Absolutely bonkers.
	What's interesting about that as well, of course, is 2004. I mean, we're talking about the height of the global war on terror.
	You've got millions of people marching in London.
	I mean, that would skew it.
	But I was going to make a historical point, actually.
	So I read this book by Richard Holmes called Redcoat a little while ago.
	It's about the history of the British soldiers, right, from the kind of Tudor period onwards.
	And he makes the interesting point that actually, you know, being a soldier in this country...
	There's always been, there's a very deep stigma.
	There's a very kind of...
	Used to get spat on in the streets.
	Yeah, it's never been something that parents have been particularly proud of, or that the general public even has been very proud of either.
	You know what's interesting?
	I read a book about the death penalty recently, and the death penalty ebbs and flows depending on whether we're at war or not, historically.
	And so if, say for example, during the Napoleonic Wars, the death penalty plummeted because...
	Old Nosy was right that we do kind of send our scum to war, which is all more remarkable.
	They keep winning them.
	In the 18th century particularly, there's a big distinction to be made between the officer class and the enlisted men.
	So in the 18th century, quite often if he was a criminal, he had the option of being deported to Australia or take the king's shilling, join the army.
	One of those is safer than the other.
	Right.
	But anyway, so that's the point being is Generation Z are not right-wing, really.
	They're very, very left-wing.
	They believe all of the standard leftist narratives, and they believe them to a level that arrives at kind of Soviet commissar.
	I imagine if you polled the average Soviet commissar, you wouldn't get a 76% yes.
	You know, socialism's great out of them.
	But this is what the average Gen Z person in the UK believes.
	I was going to say, would there be something in the argument of that there's More of a polarisation, rather than simply two camps left or right wing.
	It's rather the lefties have got more left.
	Because there is certainly a tranche of Zoomers who are completely based and right wing.
	Yeah, they are.
	They're in the minority, but perhaps they're more based than they were 20 years ago, though.
	I mean, they probably are more based, but there was actually a thing in here that showed you that the actual people who are, by our stands, very far right...
	Fairly centre.
	2%.
	Fairly right.
	6%.
	Slightly right.
	12%.
	The base Zuma cohort is actually very small.
	It's able to organise on Twitter.
	There are quite a few studies that suggest that there's a split between the sexes we've been talking about, but it is women who are just pushing further and further left and men are just staying in the same place.
	Well, not entirely.
	Maybe not in this country, but I think that's quite large-scale studies, I think.
	Probably in America and France.
	Yes.
	And probably Germany now as well.
	But in Britain, no.
	Our young people are generally just very left-wing, which is embarrassing.
	Anyway, on to the comments.
	Hi, Charles.
	Just want to say I love Man's World.
	Are there any more fiction contests coming up?
	Yeah, we're going to have another Pulp Fiction contest because the first one was so good.
	I'm about to announce actually the results of the Gonzo Journalism contest as well.
	This week, maybe I think on Friday.
	But yeah, we will be having more contests in the future because they work nicely and they produce absolutely great material.
	Incredible.
	And Hirani, I can't pronounce that, says, This segment is proof that women's suffrage was a mistake.
	To be honest with you, I think it's education.
	Allowing something like two-thirds of teachers are women now.
	I don't agree with that.
	I think that's a terrible, terrible thing.
	Women shouldn't be teaching boys.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	Uh, yeah, no, no, no.
	What else?
	Yeah.
	Scroll up and down there.
	So, a new era for Anons.
	So just before Christmas, I wrote my first article for The Spectator.
	How do I open it?
	In fact, actually, maybe...
	I'll do it.
	I'll do it.
	I'll do me the honour.
	Right-hand man.
	So, yeah, so I wrote my first article for The Spectator before Christmas, and it wasn't quite what I thought it was going to be.
	So I thought I was going to be writing, you know, some hard hitting article, but it ended up actually, it's funny, being an article about how to make a special superfood eggnog.
	Oh, OK.
	Which was published in the Christmas.
	I'm glad you're here because I don't know what eggnog is.
	It's custard.
	Boozy custard is basically what eggnog is.
	Yeah, it's good and it's a superfood if you make it in the right way.
	You've got eggs, I add kefir to it, cream.
	A little bit of milk, booze or not, some cinnamon, a bit of sugar.
	It's a complete food.
	It's like ice cream.
	Nutritional scientists were baffled recently to discover that actually people who eat more ice cream are healthier than people who don't.
	But actually, if you know anything about ice cream, if you know about the kind of superior nutrition that you actually get in ice cream from milk and fats and sugar, it's actually a complete food.
	Mike Mensah, the 1980s bodybuilder, he used to consume huge quantities of ice cream.
	So anyway, so I wrote this.
	I didn't need an excuse, but now I have one.
	So it's a superfood.
	But anyway, so this was my first article for The Spectator.
	But actually, I had written two others before, and they both got canned.
	And the first one, interestingly enough, was about my dog.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, it was about my dox and the spate of doxings that's taken place among right-wing anons, doxing of Jonathan Keeperman, Lomez, my good friend, the man who runs Passage Press.
	And I was basically saying, look, you know, it's kind of illegal to be right-wing in the Western world, not in the sense that there are laws against it, but in the sense that actually governments collude with activists and NGOs.
	To make the lives of anybody who is genuinely right-wing very difficult, so that actually, you know, there's this whole sort of massive unofficial incentive system that prevents people actually from expressing themselves, from doing anything, from organising, from publishing books, from writing essays, etc.
	Advancing in the top tiers of society.
	Yes, yeah.
	Exactly.
	So I, yeah, so they were, those articles were canned, and it was quite interesting actually that I heard from a senior editor at Spectator, or secondhand, Who shall remain nameless, that it was tinfoil hat conspiracism for me to suggest that the British government might be involved in such behaviour, including my own doxing.
	So I laid out the circumstances of my doxing in my first appearance on this show.
	I remember back in July, actually.
	How Time Flies.
	And I wrote a big piece about it for American Mind.
	This is it, yes, Disrupting the Right, where I opened by talking about something very strange that happened to me two weeks before I actually was doxed.
	So I was doxed by Hope Not Hate, this disgusting gay race communist activist group in Britain that likes to try and ruin right-wingers' lives because they don't have anything else better to do.
	I imagine they're funded explicitly to do that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, by the British government.
	Yeah, by Boris Johnson.
	By Boris Johnson, yeah, and others.
	But two weeks before I was doxed, then a Business Insider journalist sent an email to my local farm shop and asked the chap who runs the farm shop to give her my identity, basically, which is a strange thing to do.
	It's a strange thing for a journalist at Business Insider in the US. Transatlantic, you know, business publication to be looking to reveal...
	There's a guy on Twitter who just really gets my goat.
	I need to dox him.
	Yeah, strange.
	Super weird and creepy.
	It is, yeah.
	And she broke the law.
	She broke multiple laws doing that, trying to solicit, you know, the farm shop owner to reveal customer data.
	It's in breach of data protection regulations, etc.
	So...
	This has been thrown into quite interesting relief with the big balls, with the events concerning big balls in the US. So what a difference a few months make.
	So it was kind of speculative what I had said.
	Maybe we'll go on to the next one.
	That was just to show, actually, that the Home Office funds Hope Not Hate.
	To the tune of a lot of money.
	Much more money than that.
	That's just one...
	Yeah, it was 230-odd thousand months in Horace's tenure.
	That's in their charitable commission tax filings, that kind of stuff.
	But yeah, they've been paying Hope Not Hate for a long time.
	They've been advising the Home Office, providing them with details for their counter-extremism strategy, and so they can understand what's going on online.
	Understand sort of right-wing networks and all that kind of stuff.
	Understand these dangerous people who are encouraging British men to consume raw eggs, raw milk, other dangerous stuff like that.
	The seed oils.
	The British government will come for you.
	Exactly.
	But what a difference a few months has made because a lot of the stuff I said in that piece for the American Mind, it wasn't speculative.
	It was informed by the data or by as much evidence as I had at the time.
	It turns out that the woman who sent the email to the farm shop back in July is also the woman who did the dirty on Marco Elez, the doge whiz kid who was exposed as having an anonymous account where he said very, very naughty things like I wouldn't marry somebody of a different ethnicity and I was racist before it was cool.
	But anyway, so naughty in-group preference.
	It's just not allowed.
	It's just not allowed.
	I know.
	Just a quick side.
	Isn't it interesting how they keep doxing people?
	Who have you doxed?
	Well, PhD bodybuilder.
	Who doxed?
	One of the most intelligent young people in the country.
	Doxed.
	Hensome married Chad.
	What is going on?
	Why do these people have to live underground online?
	This is the question.
	It's a good question.
	It's a very good question.
	So this is her.
	This is Catherine Long, who doesn't actually say that much about what she did before she was at Business Insider, but that's a big thing in the piece I wrote for American Mind.
	She went to a...
	Ivy League University, she did her BA in Middle Eastern Studies about Iran.
	She did a State Department internship in Turkey, tracking weapons shipments from Iran.
	She worked for USAID in Central Asia, in Tajikistan.
	USAID, that's the important connection.
	She's fluent in Farsi and Tajik.
	And I said in the American Mind piece, look, this woman glows.
	You know, she's here in the dark.
	I was just going to say, it sounds like the fingerprints of intelligence.
	Exactly, and that's exactly what I said.
	But then, you know, I wrote this piece for The Spectator and I was told, no, it's Tim Forhack conspiracism.
	Of course, yes, the Western government might be doing this.
	Anyway, fast forward to last week and we have the big balls.
	Exposé.
	This is actually the letter or the email that she sent to the farm shop.
	I don't know if I need to read it out.
	It's up there on my Twitter account.
	You can read it.
	And there's also a picture of it as well.
	So you can see that actually it is real.
	I didn't just make that up.
	But this is the piece, so she published a piece in the Wall Street Journal.
	This was her first piece in the Wall Street Journal.
	Sorry, just as a quick thing, my first piece in the Wall Street Journal is an expose on big balls.
	Yeah, start as you mean to go on.
	What next?
	What next?
	Very prestigious.
	Gravitess, the chic gravitas of it.
	Yeah, I mean, we live in a strange time.
	Yes, we do.
	So anyway, this saga started off...
	In a depressingly familiar fashion, you know, oh, here we go.
	Here's the first big test of whether cancel culture still works.
	The American right has just been enthroned.
	You've got Donald Trump with a massive, massive popular mandate.
	You know, they're doing polling and 60% of people support his immigration policies on both sides.
	I mean, there's a lot of support for him.
	He's got his first ever net positive favorability rating.
	You know, he spent the whole time We thought we were in a new era where the Trump regime was not going to give the left scouts.
	We did.
	But no, big balls went.
	But then there was a big backlash.
	Of course there was a big backlash.
	Elon Musk ended up commissioning a poll.
	And when Elon Musk commissions a poll, actually, it's worth saying, change his name to hairy balls now.
	But, you know, when Elon Musk commissions a poll, he's made up his mind already.
	He knows.
	So he said, should I reinstate Marco?
	He knew what was going to happen.
	They were going to say yes, and they did in overwhelming fashion.
	And then you also had JD Vance, which was great, chiming in and saying, look, it's Christian, basically.
	It's a good thing to do.
	We shouldn't be ruining people's lives over callow remarks they've made on social media at some point in the past.
	I like Vance's position at the end there.
	If he's a bad dude or a terrible member of the team, fire him from that.
	Because just historically, the way that men have always validated themselves is by their work.
	And I kind of ran into this in the sort of mid-2000s, 2009, when culture was becoming more and more feminized.
	Because up until that point, I was always obviously in the hard work of my jobs, and I was always one of the most...
	Productive people on the teams that I worked on.
	And that mattered less and less as we moved into a sort of more politically correct era.
	And I found myself just running up to...
	I mean, there was one particular example where I was working on migrating a database.
	And it was an important thing.
	There was a deadline.
	And so I was pulling over time.
	I was just cracking on with it.
	And I had some woman coming over and trying to get some information off me or something like that.
	And I was like, look, I don't have it.
	I don't have time to go look for it because I'm in the middle of this thing.
	And then I got called up with...
	To HR, because I basically told her, look, you've got to go away and leave me alone to get on with this mission-critical work.
	And this woman had reported me to HR, and I was called up in front of HR for quote-unquote harassing.
	And I was like, and they at least had the decency to look ridiculous.
	You know, it's like, look, I told her to go away.
	It's like, yeah, that's a form of harassment.
	It's like, no, it's not.
	She kept coming over to me.
	She was harassing me, if anything.
	It's literally the opposite.
	But the point being, by that stage, by like 2012 or something, whenever this was, A man was no longer validated by the work.
	Now it's about the political correctness.
	Ideological conformity.
	Exactly.
	And in fact, I think many jobs actually just function as straitjackets for ensuring.
	Absolutely.
	They have an educational or indoctrinatory function rather than a function that can be measured using traditional metrics of success.
	It's interesting.
	Quick question, because I haven't followed the Big Bull story at all.
	Who fired Mr. Bulls in the first place?
	He resigned.
	I mean, he was obviously put under pressure to resign.
	I don't know whether Elon Musk spoke to him or what, or whether it was someone else, but yeah, he resigned.
	Mr. Big Bulls or Wall Street Journal.
	Have to do the decent thing.
	All on your board.
	And then we had Donald Trump, of course.
	Donald Trump did, I did see the...
	Yeah, so Donald Trump was asked at a press conference and he said, yeah, give the kid his job back.
	And that was it.
	That was it.
	That's the end of it.
	And that's how simple it should be.
	The point being, though, don't give credence to the left.
	Oh, we don't like this person who's a member of the team.
	Okay, but we do like him and he's doing a good job.
	And the reason we hate him is because he's doing a good job.
	You wouldn't have spent all this time and effort.
	Finding out who he was in order to try and get him fired if he wasn't presenting you with an active threat.
	So the point being, and this is what I think is brilliant, Elon, Trump and Vance all are like, no, we're not giving you the scalp.
	You're not getting the scalp.
	The game has changed.
	We're not bowing to this.
	Well, so that's one issue that maybe we'll come back to in just a moment about this whole affair about the, is cancel culture dead?
	Well, I think it's on life.
	The issue really is just who controls the levers of power.
	If Elon Musk is in the deciding seat, well, yes, it seems it's pretty much dead.
	However, trust me, YouTube is very much still alive.
	The Wall Street Journal, you know, giving this Ms. Long more column space, it's obviously alive and kicking there.
	Yes, it is.
	And what's interesting is further stuff has been dug up about Catherine Long, stuff that I wasn't able to find.
	Including links to this chap called Travis Brown, who is a very, very important kind of node, actually, in a lot of the kind of doxing and cancelling that goes on.
	So he worked at Twitter, I think, between 2015 and 2018. And there are suggestions that he was given a backdoor to people.
	Private data and, you know, had access to DMs and stuff like that.
	Considering there were 75 something like that feds working at Twitter, it wouldn't be surprising if there was some kind of network.
	And if she does glow, well, it's not unreasonable to think she may be connected.
	Well, so it turns out that actually he is the only person who follows Catherine Long on GitHub.
	And he uses GitHub to distribute.
	So he does network analysis.
	You know, they love network analysis.
	They map.
	Who's interacting with whom, where, etc., in what kind of way, and they sell it to NGOs, and they sell it to...
	The kind of think tanks and government bodies as some kind of detailed analysis.
	I mean, it works basically on the principle of tarring by association, right?
	It's like these accounts interact with one another, so they're all really evil.
	They're part of some kind of far-right network.
	Yeah, it's the cooties theory of politics works.
	The cooties theory of politics.
	I mean, do you remember there was one done on YouTube in like 2018 or something that had Richard Spencer and Ben Shapiro directly connected?
	It's like, sorry, why are you suggesting the overlap between Richard Spencer and Ben Shapiro?
	Ridiculous.
	Anyway, let's carry on for time's sake.
	But this guy, Travis Brown, he's been funded by the German government.
	He works with NGOs.
	There's an NGO called HateAid.
	Which is very, very close to a meme that I created in Hate Aid, which I called...
	I know, which potentially could be an NGO that actually aids in propagation.
	I mean, that's an idea for anybody who's got a bit of money.
	How do I get funding from them?
	But no, that's quite close to a meme that I did for Manswell.
	I did a meme called Hater Aid for Manswell.
	And of course, hope not hate.
	I mean, the resources that he produces, these network maps that he produces, which are very extensive, I mean, it's what he does full-time, are used by all of these people.
	Great work.
	Yeah, good guy.
	Wonderful, wonderful stuff.
	Really hard pat on the back.
	In the interest of time, though, should we carry on?
	Yeah, sure.
	And so really what this suggests to me is that I wasn't wrong to think that there might be a direct...
	I mean, so Travis Brown's American as well.
	So I think there's a transatlantic, obviously a transatlantic link between the email that was sent to the farm shop and this hope not hate docs.
	I'm increasingly thinking that actually maybe what was going to happen was that there was going to be a big thing in Business Insider, a time to coincide with the hope not hate docs so that awareness of who I am was sort of maximum on both sides of the Atlantic at the same time.
	But because the farm shop owner, noble yeoman that he is, he didn't tell them.
	But it goes way beyond you, though, doesn't it?
	It does.
	What this is, is you're just one of the victims of this honestly very secretive network of people whose jobs are to ruin people.
	Yes.
	And they think that we're in an era where if we can just reveal your name, that's your life ruined.
	Actually, I've been following the non-doxes and people haven't been.
	No?
	You've done fairly well.
	Yeah.
	So long as you've got a PhD and you're handsome and in good shape, then you've got nothing to worry about.
	Well, they've yet to dox someone who doesn't.
	Exactly.
	It's almost like a badge of honour.
	I mean, everyone at this table has been specifically mentioned by Hope Not Hate, for example, just them.
	And there's the Streisand effect.
	The only negative that happened for me, luckily, I'm lucky enough to be employed by Mr. Benjamin and get my wages from the generous Lotus Eater subscribers.
	So the only impact it had on me was I got more Twitter followers.
	The Streisand effect, it was literally, there wasn't anything bad.
	It was positive, actually.
	So, you know, do another piece of anything.
	That's why institutions like this are important, so we can weather the impact and just come back stronger from it.
	That's the entire point.
	And so, yeah, I was just going to end up, I suppose, by talking about whether cancel culture is dead.
	I mean, so I wrote a piece about it for InfoWars.
	I write opinion pieces for InfoWars now each week.
	And I just contrasted what happened to Marco Elez with what happened to Darren Beattie.
	Darren Beattie...
	He's an academic.
	I mean, he's like a philosophy PhD.
	Did a PhD on philosophy at Duke on Heidegger, I think.
	And he was a big up-and-comer in the first Trump administration.
	He was appointed as a speechwriter.
	I mean, he's a really smart guy, and he's very pragmatic as well.
	He actually understands how things work.
	He's not just a theorist, but he was employed as a speechwriter.
	And then, lo and behold, not long after, somebody dug up some embarrassing material about him.
	He spoke at a conference where there were supposedly white nationalists.
	He didn't speak about anything on the topic of white nationalism or any kind of controversial topic.
	He spoke about, I think the topic of his paper was intellectuals and the right.
	And so he was just talking about the modern right and intellectual tradition.
	Anyway, he was just thrown to the wall.
	He was kicked out.
	That was 2018, and he spent seven years on the outside, really.
	But he's now back at the State Department, so he was given a senior position at the State Department.
	He runs Revolver.news, which is a news-aggregated website, and he's done a lot of research into what happened on January 6th and done his best to look into the pipe-bombing.
	The story that went away.
	Yeah, funnily enough, that went away.
	But so I was just saying, you know, like, actually, it looks like things are changing.
	And maybe even what's happening in the US will have a salient effect here.
	So the other, the last link was just this.
	Trump's tariff threat, Trump's starmer to mull over, watering down social media laws, backlash.
	So, I mean, it's not going to make this country...
	Much better, but I think it could have some kind of salientary effect.
	Any kind of slowing down of the censorship?
	Yes, would be good.
	A little bit of breathing space would be nice.
	Even the slowing down of the trend is welcome.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, sure, if you would.
	Right, so Sigilstone says they're sending big balls on a mission to space.
	He's about to hit Uranus repeatedly.
	Not Just String says, can we have a Lotus Eaters Brit expat segment?
	We know it's to go somewhere a couple of years to have a pint, then safely away from Starmer and let the blood pressure drop.
	Probably not because I don't think they'll care if we do something outside of the country.
	Just get us when we come back like they do with Callum.
	So don't want to risk it.
	Anyway, let's move on.
	Rent a boat and go just three miles out to international waters.
	Heroes in international waters.
	And then we can talk about Starmer.
	Yeah, they'll just get us the second week.
	The RNLI will take us, arrest us.
	Okay.
	Alright, so I don't think on Loads Eaters we've talked about sort of the recent movements in US foreign policy.
	I am one of the ones who talks about Ukraine and Israel.
	So I thought maybe we could just talk about a few foreign policy things that have happened in the last week or so.
	The big one is probably on the Israeli front.
	Yeah.
	Israeli-Palestinian thing.
	Trump came out with, well, Nettie came over to the White House, didn't he, for a visit.
	See Trump tucking him in, quite literally tucking him in at the table.
	Yeah.
	Well, one of the first things I'll say is to, because we're accused, probably rightly, of being pro-Trump partisans.
	Probably.
	Well, yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, we're definitely pro-Trump partisans.
	Yeah, I've worn the MAGA hat like half a dozen times.
	Yeah, exactly, yeah.
	To make it clear, personally, for me, as an Englishman, I'm neither Quranic nor Talmudic.
	I'm sort of pro...
	England?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Italy?
	Right, yeah.
	So I haven't got a dog on either side of the fight.
	But Trump and the Trump administration are clearly on the Israeli side.
	I mean, if you even look at that Hegseth chap, he's that type of Christian that's very pro-Zionist.
	I mean, even...
	Angelica.
	Right, yeah.
	If you look at that Mike Huckabee, you know, there's footage of him literally putting, symbolically, putting a brick in a West Bank settlement building.
	For example, you know, Trump's into the Wailing Wall and all that sort of thing.
	Right, so, okay.
	So, his big foreign policy move is to sort of double, triple, quadruple down on sort of the Israeli side of the ledger.
	Yeah.
	Effectively.
	So the big thing was that he basically said, we'll take over the Gaza Strip.
	The US, this is.
	We, the US. We'll take over the Gaza Strip.
	Take control of it.
	Exile the Gazans to Jordan in Egypt and redevelop it with no right of return for the Gazans.
	Right.
	I mean, that's a move.
	That's certainly not something anyone was expecting.
	Well...
	Oh, go on.
	So, I mean...
	I wasn't expecting that.
	I think it's been...
	So I wrote a piece in November 2023. Well, didn't Jared Kushner say something years ago?
	No, it's...
	No, it's...
	So the Israelis were saying, look, so this piece is called Gaza in Germany, and it was about the fact that Germans were making preparations to receive Gaza migrants in Egypt.
	There were these rumours that they were preparing the German embassy in Cairo.
	In the grounds, they were building great big tents and stuff where they were going to process people before they went off on planes to Germany.
	But senior members of the Israeli cabinet were saying right from the beginning, the end goal of this is to displace the Palestinians.
	So Belal Smotrich, who is a real, he's like hardliner of hardliners, he said the Gaza Nakbar has begun.
	So Nakbar is the Palestinian word for disaster, and that's the word that's used to describe the events of Israel's establishment in 1948. So that was the Nakbar when they were displaced from their ancestral homelands and pushed into these enclaves.
	And so what Belal Smotrich was saying was, look, we're completing that process now.
	We're going to get the Gazans out of the territories of Israel.
	Netanyahu, I mean, that was a pretty incendiary thing to say, right?
	Netanyahu just said, people should be careful about what they disclose.
	Those are basically his words, like, don't say too much, basically is what he said.
	But anyway, then we had op-eds in, I think, the Wall Street Journal, possibly the New York Times, written by cabinet members, former Mossad chief among them, I think.
	Or certainly members of the Nesit, I think one of them might have been a cabinet member, but members of the Nesit saying, look, actually, yeah, this is the only way that this is going to get resolved.
	European nations, Western nations need to take the Gazans.
	We need to get the Gazans out of here because we can't live side by side.
	Each European nation could take 10,000 of them and then they're all gone.
	Problem solved.
	Why can't the Arab nations take it?
	Problem solved.
	Well, right.
	They are Arabs.
	They've been saying this since November 2023. It hasn't got that much publicity.
	And I mean, I wrote that article because I thought like, look, this is actually what's going to happen.
	This is actually what's going to happen.
	This is going to drag on and they're going to say, look, this is intractable.
	We've destroyed so much of Gaza.
	They can't live here and we can't live with them anyway.
	So, OK, they're going to have to go somewhere else.
	Egypt and Jordan.
	Egypt and Jordan will say no.
	And even if they did go to Egypt and Jordan, they'd go to Europe anyway, because who wants to live in a refugee camp in the desert when you can try your luck in Europe and do what the Syrians and Kurds and Turks and all these other people have done?
	So it has been on the cards.
	It definitely has been on the cards since the beginning, I would say.
	Well, that was one of the worries I was going to leave to the end, but I'll just say it now.
	Yeah, I've seen in recent times, recent days, weeks, talking about places...
	To send them.
	Ideal locations would be places like Ireland and Spain.
	Again, that would be the end of the problem then, I imagine.
	They'll just become Spanish and Irish people.
	But yeah, I mean, I've got a bunch of links here, but there was one particular one which I was interested in.
	It was from Chatham House, which is, you know, a foreign policy sort of think tank-y type place.
	And, of course, right near the end, I think.
	Anyway, I've got some quotes for me.
	An article written there by someone called Ahmed Abuda.
	Anyway, it's funny you should mention the Nekba because he says about Trump's plan, nobody could be blamed for branding this plan a second Balfour Declaration or perhaps a second Nekba.
	Besides the indifference the plan shows to Palestinians identity and dignity, Trump seemed to ignore his guest.
	Ignore that his guest at the unveiling of the plan, Benjamin Netanyahu, is responsible for turning Gaza into a demolition site.
	In President Trump's mind, Gaza is perhaps a prime Mediterranean location for a real estate bonanza.
	Which is the 80s businessman that he is, I believe it.
	Right.
	It's no surprise that this is how a former property developer thinks.
	Even though it's obviously a completely biased piece, some of that...
	Analysis is not wrong.
	No, that's fair.
	That's who Trump is.
	That's why I'm sceptical about this plan.
	Okay, it removes the direct threat from the Gaza Strip, bouncing across into Israel proper, or whatever.
	It just removes that to somewhere else.
	It doesn't actually fix the actual issue.
	And if anything, it makes the Palestinians more radicalised.
	Right, a second network.
	By displacing them, I mean, you know, it's the refugee camps, the Palestinian refugee camps are where the terrorists are bred, you know.
	I mean, you're a young man growing up in that kind of environment, being told that you've been displaced from your homeland.
	I mean, what do you feel apart from hatred for the West, hatred for Israel?
	It's happened again and again and again that people that are interred or imprisoned for being Islamic extremists, it just...
	They're more hard-line once they finally get their liberty.
	You're concentrating them in a single area.
	Leaving them with infinite amount of time to continue stewing on their...
	It's like what prison does to hardened criminals.
	It's the same thing.
	But it pushes...
	It makes the Palestinians someone else's problem.
	Someone else's problem within the Middle East, of course.
	And Egypt and Jordan know this.
	They know.
	If we take these people in...
	It's going to be a disaster for us.
	Jordan is a monarchy, and monarchs abhor instability, and that's exactly what you get when you have a foreign population coming in.
	Which is why they've been completely unsympathetic to them up until this point.
	Yeah.
	It's just smearing the problem from Amman to Dublin all over the place, in my opinion.
	I mean, this guy goes on to say for Chatham House...
	But for neighbouring countries, this is a life or death matter.
	Egypt and Jordan face existential threats from Trump's proposal.
	Displacing Palestinians into their countries would destabilise their regimes.
	I wonder why.
	Fuel extremism and turn their territories into launch pads for Palestinian attacks on Israel.
	Their peace treaties with Israel would effectively be thrown into the abyss.
	Egypt has already signalled that Israeli moves to push for Palestinians would amount to the end of their peace treaty.
	In Jordan, the Muslim Brotherhood is a significant power in the Parliament after the September elections.
	And the majority of populations are of Palestinian origin.
	Were Palestinians to be expelled from Gaza, the government in Amman would be in danger of total collapse.
	I'm not sure how that follows, but anyway.
	A US takeover of Palestinian land would renew the legitimacy of Iran's proxies across the region, if not trigger a regional war.
	That might be a bit extremist, but maybe not far from the truth.
	Who knows, we'll see.
	But it would be destabilizing.
	I get the idea that you turn the Gaza Strip into some sort of a prime real estate and we'll turn it into like a Macau of the Near East or a Monaco of the Near East and there'll just be hotels and casinos there and it'll all be fun and games and it'll be great.
	But I feel like it's actually, as I say, sort of just smearing the problem further abroad.
	They will claim that it's a second NECPA. Well, it sort of would be on some level.
	What's interesting about this as well, of course, is that, you know, I mean, Trump is presented as the antithesis of neocon, right?
	I mean, he was opposed to Iraq and he spoke up about, you know, his opposition to Iraq and to America's wars in the Middle East.
	I mean, he's been very consistent about that in recent decades.
	And it was a central pillar of his foreign policy and his American first.
	It is a central pillar of the American first agenda, right?
	Stop getting involved in these bloodbaths in the Middle East.
	And yet here we have a policy that could very well destabilise the entire region, not just pockets of the region or regions of the region, but actually the whole thing, from Egypt right through to the borders of Turkey and the borders of Central Asia.
	Or mention there even Iran's proxies.
	I mean, you can imagine the mullahs of Tehran just pointing to that and saying, look, the great devil is doing it all over again.
	So I don't know how to feel about this, because I watched Trump's initial speech where he said, what was it?
	It was some interview, actually, where he was saying, look, if we don't do this, then it's just going to be the same problem for 100 years, which is obviously true.
	And so there's something of the kind of Gordian knot about this solution, which, yeah, there are going to be probably unforeseeable consequences that come from this.
	But it does solve a problem.
	Not to the liking of the people of Gaza, obviously.
	But 1.8 million people is a large number, but it's not an insurmountable number, right?
	So if you were to be Trump and essentially bully other nations, say, look, you can take 20,000 Gazans across the Arab world or something like that.
	We're going to give you loads of aid.
	We're going to pay for them or something like this.
	Or maybe...
	If it was done...
	I mean, the way I personally would do it would be like the Assyrians did.
	Just split them all up.
	So the ethnic group in a generation or two just stops existing.
	This is what happened with the 12 tribes of Israel.
	The Assyrians' solution.
	Which is just deport them and then spread them around.
	The Necarib style.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, if this is the policy...
	I mean, this is a standard imperial policy that Trump is following.
	He's kind of formalizing the empire here.
	Saying, we're just going to take that territory and we're going to deport this population and they're going to go live somewhere else.
	The one thing this does is break up networks, right?
	You can break up the sort of Hamas networks in the Palestinian population and essentially make it unfeasible for them to coordinate.
	If some of them are in Turkey, some of them in Syria, some of them are in Iran, then you have resolved this issue.
	And like I said, it's kind of a Gordian knot.
	Now, I'm not saying this is a good idea or that we should do this or anything like that.
	But like he said, it does resolve a problem.
	So I'm not...
	Which is also by proxy for America.
	The question is containment, I think.
	The question is containment because, like I say, you send them to Egypt and Jordan, can you keep them in Egypt and Jordan?
	And that's the question, because you will have people who will willingly take them across the Mediterranean to Italy, wherever.
	And what you're also going to have as well, what we also would have to reckon with, I mean, we're talking hypothetically here, of course, is what will the European response be to this?
	Will Olaf Scholz say, like Angela Merkel, wir schaffen das, you know, these people don't want to go to Egypt and Jordan.
	Come here instead.
	Come to Germany instead.
	We can take you because we need to prop up our pension scheme.
	The Irish government is entirely like it.
	Yeah, so actually...
	They will be given...
	Trump can't control Germany and Ireland.
	And so it just...
	I mean, to me, it just looks like, OK, this is going to get knocked even or kicked further down the line, and it's just going to be a European problem once again.
	I feel like it is an intractable...
	It's sort of a political impasse, ultimately.
	I mean, I'm trying to make sort of a value-free judgment on that.
	It just seems to be, that just seems to be the case.
	I mean, if you look historically at Egypt and Jordan, particularly Jordan, they don't want them.
	If you go back to sort of the 60s, 70s, 80s, even into the 90s, when the Yasser Arafat years and the PLO, in the end, Jordan had to just expel them all and say, look, we're just cutting ties with you guys.
	You're too crazy.
	And nothing essentially has changed.
	I imagine the king of Jordan just doesn't want to take...
	Loads and loads of Gazans.
	It's not in his interest to do so.
	And I've heard other people say, well, if these Palestinians are so fervently pro-Arab, think of themselves as Arab first and foremost, even though the actual reality is quite different to that.
	Anyway, why can't Saudi Arabia take them?
	Well, Saudi Arabia don't want them.
	No, of course not.
	Absolutely don't want them.
	In the final bit, I'll quote from this Chatham House fella.
	He says...
	Talking about this Trump plan.
	This explains Saudi Arabia confirming its unwavering position on Palestinian statehood after the announcement.
	Five Arab foreign ministers, including from Saudi Arabia, the UAE and Qatar, refused to displace Palestinians in a letter to the Trump administration.
	So they don't want them either.
	Maybe not every single person, Palestinian, that lives in Gaza, but Hamas.
	Politically, Hamas are a headache for anybody.
	For absolutely anybody.
	Because, of course, their political position is a very, very difficult one to ever come to terms with.
	They don't really want to come to the table.
	So the thing about Trump's plan is, you know, the idea that is it just saber-rattling?
	Is it just the opening gambit in trying to make a deal?
	Or is it...
	It spells the end of any sort of two-state solution.
	but my opinion was that that was never on the cards anyway that was sort of a fiction from birth yeah fantasy from birth but now that seems to be truly dead in the water like to have a Palestinian state I guess all that is over with now well the thing is that you'll have a Palestinian state and they'll elect Hamer and so Israel will be unhappy about that we're back to step one but I don't care about Israel in the middle No, I don't.
	I just don't.
	I couldn't care less.
	So long as it's not Europe's problem.
	And all I see here is that it's going to be Europe.
	But, you know, I mean, you've got people saying, OK, well, what Trump is doing actually is, you know, this is the art of the deal.
	This is Trump coming in.
	It's like when Trump took over Woolman Rink in New York, you know, and was doing up the ice rink and, you know, playing off the city authorities against all these different contractors and all this kind of stuff.
	This is just Trump coming in and being unpredictable and scaring people and maybe...
	Making them think that he's so unpredictable, he's so gung-ho that he's actually just going to kick the Gazans out of Gaza and then they've got to, among themselves, they've got to come up with a slightly more realistic solution.
	Sometimes I think maybe that's the case.
	I think he's serious about this.
	Yeah, more and more I think that actually this fits with what the Israelis were saying from the beginning.
	People like Belal Smotrich, etc.
	Netanyahu obviously wants it.
	I mean, why wouldn't Netanyahu want it?
	This is perfect.
	And Netanyahu's support is growing in Israel.
	I mean, Netanyahu is more popular.
	I would imagine that if this happens, Netanyahu will be elected for life.
	I mean, you know, this is the...
	I won't say...
	There are two words that I shouldn't say, one of which is solution to the...
	But it is a...
	A long-term solution.
	Yeah, it's an ultimate end to the problem.
	And the left aren't wrong when they say, well, this would be a cleansing.
	Yes, it would.
	I mean, I think it's sort of both.
	It's both sort of bluster and saber rattling and a particular gambit in a process of making a deal and deadly serious and he means it at the end of it all.
	There'll be an aircraft carrier off the coast and Marines sent in.
	It's sort of both.
	That's what American foreign policy has been for a long time, ever since the war, I suppose, is that...
	There's lots and lots of talk, big talk.
	And sometimes, when it comes down to it, the Marines get sent in.
	And that is a realistic possibility.
	I think it's both.
	I think it's both those things.
	Well, I think the one factor, actually, that we need to consider is domestic support.
	So in the US, this is not popular.
	They've done polling about this.
	Nobody wants Trump to do this.
	I think I wrote about this for Infowars at the weekend.
	People are really happy about Trump's immigration policies.
	They're really happy about him in general, but they're not happy about this small minority.
	15%, I think, of people polled say they agree, and then the rest either mildly disagree or vehemently disagree.
	So I think he will have to pay attention.
	I think he probably will pay attention to what people think.
	How much?
	I don't know.
	The question is, is there anyone who can stop him from doing this?
	No one's acting like they can.
	Everyone's sort of sat back and gone, oh, Trump's going to move the entire population of Gaza.
	And no one's jumped up and said, well, we're not going to let that happen.
	Everyone's just like, well, what does that mean for the rest of us?
	So it seems that everyone can sense that Trump is able to do this.
	And so the question is, well, if there's no one standing in his way and he's never going to stand for re-election again, I mean, I suppose the midterms are the only real concern there, right?
	But how much of a deal-breaker is this for those voters?
	Because it's a long way away, and it's kind of abstract for a lot of people.
	So, yeah, they might on paper say, yeah, no, I don't agree with that, but I'm definitely voting for the closed borders.
	And as far as an intervention in the Middle East, you know, this isn't the same as war in Iraq or Afghanistan.
	This will, you could get this done in a period of months.
	Yeah, six months.
	And then it would go away, rather than being a link...
	I mean, it would be, I think, a disastrous intervention in the Middle East, but it wouldn't be...
	You couldn't track it in the same way that you could track a war that is ongoing, where you've got American soldiers dying all the time, huge expenditures, massive negative media publicity the whole time.
	Yeah, I mean, I think he could do it.
	Yeah, he could do it very quickly.
	I mean, Gaza is not a big area.
	It's just basically one large city and a bit of hinterland.
	So it's not like it's Iraq or Afghanistan.
	So this is a different kettle of fish.
	One step further than you saying where there's no real voices standing against him.
	In fact, around the cabinet table, some of the big voices, yeah, like that Hegseth guy at the head of the Pentagon now, at Defence.
	So I imagine, I haven't actually heard him explicitly say, but I can only imagine he's completely on board with some project like this.
	And the thing is, if they took a kind of a Syrian solution to it and just dispersed them in small numbers around all of the Arab states and Trump basically gave him huge amounts of money and said, shut up and take, then in a generation, it's entirely possible that the Palestinian identity disappeared, right?
	And so in 20 years time, it could be one of those things where it's like, well, that actually did just solve the issue.
	Not to everyone's liking, but the fact that this doesn't come up anymore and there's no terrorism coming out of Gaza.
	I'm not saying that won't happen, but I think that's quite optimistic.
	I'm not saying it will happen.
	Sure, it could happen.
	A possible future looks like that.
	I'm not saying that's what's going to happen.
	The narrative of the NECPA so far has only seemed to groan over the decades.
	That's because they're concentrated in a particular place with a shared identity in history, right?
	If they are scattered, that goes away.
	It's still the West Bank, though, isn't it?
	I think you also have to reckon with the fact that actually there are people abroad, like leftist activists across the Western world and ethnic minorities across the Western world who over-identify with the Palestinians.
	The Palestinians are like this sort of floating signifier for Western oppression, right?
	Maybe even if the Palestinians who remain in the Middle East...
	Stop being Palestinian.
	There will still be people in the West if they remember the Palestinians.
	Yeah, there will be.
	Remember what was done to the Palestinians.
	I think it's a question of incentives, right?
	Because you're obviously going to have the sort of hardline network of Hamas.
	If that's broken up and that weakens, okay, well and good.
	But like, I saw an interview with a Palestinian grandmother and she's like, oh no, I'm sick of all this.
	I'm just going to go to Turkey.
	It's like, okay, great.
	I mean...
	That works for a lot of people.
	So, I don't know how much of this is the sort of hyper-narrative of leftists being like, oh no, blood and soil nationalism for the Palestinians.
	How much of it is actually, we would just like it if we got Israel off our neck.
	And we'd just like to get on with our lives.
	So I don't know.
	I'm not saying I... I feel like it's just a many-headed hydra you could get rid of, kill all the Hamas leadership and they'll just be another organisation.
	They'll just be...
	The Alex and Martin Brigade or something.
	It's like the PLO. It will just give itself another name.
	But anyway, while we're talking about foreign policy, just a couple of, and finally points, while we're talking about Trump's foreign policy, the next link, they said if Iran try and assassinate him, they're just going to obliterate Iran.
	Okay, that clearly seems like saber-rattling.
	Well, but the interesting thing about that, of course...
	Backed up by reality, perhaps...
	But the interesting thing about that, of course, is that throughout the election campaign, then there were threats against Donald Trump's life from Iran, or at least it was, you know, many of the threats against his life were presented as being from Iran.
	So I wrote at the weekend about this story that apparently the Secret Service shot down a drone over Trump's motorcade in Pennsylvania with an electromagnetic weapon of some kind.
	And, I mean, when I was there for the inauguration, then they were terrified of drones.
	All the Humvees that were deployed had these kind of special radar domes, and there was funny stuff going on at the airport as well where I think they were clearing the airspace.
	And I think they had the inauguration indoors because they really wanted So, I think that this is actually...
	This is actually a nod to that as well, I think, and to the kind of threats that occurred during the election campaign, as well as the ongoing threats about Soleimani.
	I was just going to mention reprisals for that one.
	So, OK, last thing to say then, just Trump on Ukraine, starting to make some noises.
	He wants Ukraine to give America 500 billion.
	It's not going to happen.
	Or at least make some sort of deal for resources and materials.
	I think a resource deal will happen.
	Absolutely, I reckon.
	Because Zelensky was doing a photo op about it.
	There was a picture of him where he was standing over a map pointing at silver deposits.
	There's no doubt they'll get rare earth minerals.
	Anyway, right, let's go to some comments since we've only got five minutes left.
	We'll do the video comments another day, just because we're lack of time, frankly.
	Bleach Demon says, I solidly believe that one of the root causes of this internalized destruction of the Zuma patriotism is the lack of nationalism brackets, not the Orwellian tripe definition.
	There's no feeling of pride and duty to preserve culture and national identity.
	And that's true.
	And I'm going to move on to another comment that I think sort of buttresses this from raw leg nationalist who says, many zoomers hate Britain for many.
	All they have known is decline, apathy, bureaucracy, and the undermining of their own culture.
	For some like myself, I feel a sense of identity with Britain and see myself as part of cultural and ethnic continuum.
	But for those not as educated or conscious of the events around them, I can absolutely understand why they think differently.
	I think that's exactly true.
	If the term nationalism is being used to mean a Personal attachment to the country and people around you in a very deep and abiding, sentimental way, then why would you as a Zoomer have that?
	You've been deliberately dispossessed from government policy from almost everything that we of our age inherited without thinking about it.
	Especially, I was in a military family.
	It was a very patriotic environment I grew up in because I was on military camp.
	So you didn't even think about it.
	It's like, yeah, there's flags.
	Of course there's flags.
	We're going to make sure the Argentinians don't take the falcons.
	Of course we are.
	It was a natural assumption that we were living in the infrastructure of the armed forces of Britain.
	Obviously we're pro-Britain.
	There was no leftist subversion that I saw when I was growing up.
	But I can't even imagine what it's like as a young person now.
	It must be atrocious.
	Someone like Emily Thornberry trying to force scorn on you merely for owning a St. George's flag or something.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Atrocious.
	Henry says, oh, it sounds like the time to buy an ice cream maker.
	Are they any good?
	Yeah, they are.
	There's a model called the Ninja Creamy, which is very good.
	My wife was asking about getting one.
	I was like, why would you need that?
	Well, you don't.
	So, I mean, two recipes.
	I'll post them again today.
	I've done two recipes for no churn ice cream, and it's very simple.
	There's one with condensed milk that's delicious, and it's so easy.
	It's cream which you whip condensed milk and then flavouring and that's it.
	You mix it up together with flavouring and put it in the freezer and then you freeze it and it's as good as restaurant quality ice cream without five minutes.
	Theodore says Trump's proposal for Gaza as it has been presented, supporting Palestinians with no right of return would constitute ethnic cleansing, a form of genocide.
	One can only hope it is simply his big-ass strategy.
	I don't think this is a big ask.
	That's the thing.
	He absolutely is discussing ethnically cleansing.
	You can have a bloodless ethnic cleansing, right?
	Just re-migrating people.
	It doesn't mean massacre.
	Yeah, right.
	But the thing is, as you said, the two-state solution is obviously never on the table.
	And so the question is, which side ethnically cleanses the other?
	They're both demanding.
	And also, we are still very much in an era of ethnic cleansing.
	So, nothing was said about the Azerbaijani cleansing of Armenian enclaves.
	The Pakistanis removing all of their Afghans.
	But, you know, American Christians, evangelical Christians, had nothing to say about Armenian Christians being...
	Hundreds of thousands.
	300,000.
	Yeah, being driven off their homelands by Azerbaijani Muslims.
	And so it happened.
	It happened and it's just the state of affairs now.
	That's the reality.
	There are so many examples in the 20th century after World War II as well.
	When were the Greeks essentially kicked out of Turkey?
	And Cyprus in the 70s.
	That was afterwards.
	Because there was a kind of mass exchange of populations.
	That was in the 20th century.
	It was in the 20s, I think.
	Right, it was in the 20s and 30s.
	And then, of course, you've got post-World War II, the end of Russia, basically, and all the Germans being kicked out of Eastern Europe.
	And then you've got Turks colonizing half of Cyprus and various other things.
	So it's not like within living memory this has been happening.
	And Israel, the creation of Israel, is another example of this.
	And, like you say, literally last year, hundreds of thousands of Armenian Christians kicked out of their homes in Azerbaijan.
	So it's, okay, well...
	We agree that these sort of things still happen, and they are valid, and no one cares unless it's their personal interest group that's affected.
	Yeah, it's not the legality that matters.
	No, no one questions it.
	It's the recognition of the de facto state of affairs.
	Yeah, and Trump is just being very unsubtle about this, as he is in everything he does, but again, that's kind of why I like Trump.
	But anyway, so we'll have to leave there.
	Charlie, where can people find more from you?
	You can, of course, follow me on Twitter.
	BabyGravy9 is my now legendary handle.
	I've got a substack, roegstack.com.
	Mansworldmag.online is Mansworld Magazine.
	I've got a new book coming out with Passage Press.
	Soon, it's Passage.press, The Last Men, Liberalism, and the Death of Masculinity.
	Right, well, thanks.
	No, it does.
	It's exactly the sort of thing that concerns me.

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