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	Music Hello and welcome to podcast of the Lotus Eaters on the 10th of September 2024 and I'm joined by Stelios Hello.
	Oh.
	Alright.
	So, yes, good to see you today.
	We're going to be talking about Germany.
	Apparently they want to close their borders.
	Hard to believe, but apparently so.
	We're going to talk about how Trump has vowed to jail his enemies, which is a good thing.
	And Elon, he's going to take us to Mars.
	Well, not us, but...
	Well, I'll go.
	If he gives me a seat, I'll go.
	Oh, I wouldn't.
	It's just a radiated desert, isn't it?
	Well, we'll save it for... The coolest radiated desert in the inner solar system.
	Sorry.
	Well, there is that.
	Move along, move along.
	Um, we have a couple of announcements.
	First of all, happy birthday to wifey.
	She doesn't watch this, but anyway, made the effort.
	Um, and we're going to be doing a Churchill round table at three o'clock, which is going to be an absolute minefield and piss off everybody.
	But, uh, you know, for whatever reason we're doing it anyway.
	So if you want to come see what we think about Churchill, uh, tune in at three.
	Right.
	And with that, we go to... There's going to be a lot of hate with this.
	There is going to be a lot of hate.
	There's going to be spurging.
	There's going to be hate nationally.
	I know.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	But we will try and upset people in the right proportions.
	Right.
	No, no, no.
	I will upset everyone.
	Possibly.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	I suppose we're going to talk about Germany.
	Germany decided to close its borders for a period of six months.
	And I want to say that this is a bit confusing, because is there a pattern or are there just isolated incidents?
	That's the main issue that people are concerned about, because After the attacks in Solingen we had the whole establishment saying this was a person who had mental illness and this was just an isolated incident and everyone was scaremongering about the far right.
	A lot of these isolated incidents.
	Yeah, there's a pattern of isolated incidents, as I say.
	But the German government now acted in a way that you wouldn't expect.
	They act almost as they would act if they admitted that there is a pattern.
	And this is something that happened a few weeks ago.
	Germany deported 28 Afghans to Taliban-led Kabul.
	They also gave them around a thousand euros, I don't know, as a parting gift or something.
	Well, that's to buy the plane ticket to come back again.
	Maybe.
	I hope not.
	But anyway, it's at least, it's suboptimal, but at least it is, at least they're out.
	At least they have been deported.
	What sort of plane was it?
	I mean, was it like a 1950s biplane or something?
	I mean, you could probably get like 300 people on that.
	No idea, but I think that the government now is confusing us because they are acting as if there is a patent.
	We have here this article by RTE saying Germany tightens control at all borders in the immigration crackdown and they're saying that the government has announced plans to impose tighter controls at all of the country's land borders In what it called an attempt to tackle irregular, which means illegal, and protect the public from threats such as Islamic extremism.
	Now that's the language of people who go after patents, not just after isolated incidents.
	My question is, I guess you might be getting on to it, if you are, just shut me down, but so they're closing their borders sort of entirely or like to what extent?
	I mean... They say that they are closing them for a period of six months.
	They're going to do a trial period.
	And it's when it comes to, as they say, irregular, but I think as they are talking about illegal migration.
	Now obviously we will see how this plays out because we have heard many times governments who are saying that they're going to do something about illegal migration but end up not doing so but it's something that we have to report.
	The thing I'm thinking is maybe it's a bit silly but as an island we're in a unique situation but with something like Germany if you imagine the very very long border with Poland let's say and that's probably necessarily their biggest threat but Unless you build a really long wall there, a Trump-style Mexico wall, or Hungary actually have built quite a lot of fences and things, I don't think Germany's going to do that.
	Well, you could look at Poland's other borders.
	Are they actually going to stop it though?
	Well, Poland has long borders with a number of other countries and they're able to defend them.
	They just have barbed wire and bloke's batons.
	So my question is then, is Germany going to do that?
	Put up at least, sort of, chicken wire?
	Well, we will see, but possibly they could collaborate with other countries, as Dan mentioned.
	There are also some heavy Border controls in Poland.
	Maybe there's going to be a coalition of more traditional, more right-wing approaches to it.
	Poland now has Tusk, which isn't what most people want.
	We'll see.
	So they say the controls will start on the 16th of September and initially last for six months, the Interior Ministry said in a statement.
	They are part of a series of measures Germany has taken to toughen its stance on irregular migration in recent years following a surge in arrivals, in particular people fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East.
	And they are mentioning that Chancellor Olaf Scholz is running a basically left-wing government.
	Interesting here, we have this by David Atherton, who is saying that the Interior Minister of Germany, Nancy Facer, has announced this border control on security grounds.
	Now, what is interesting is that she is behind the attempt to cancel Compact Magazine, and she was one of the major voices.
	behind those who were saying that the Solingen stabbing attack at the Diversity Festival was just an isolated incident that was going to be co-opted by the far right.
	So it's really suspicious and confusing when you have politicians who act consistently in such a manner when they are announcing border controls.
	That's why I said in the beginning that it is a bit confusing.
	But it sounds to me like they just want to say, please stop voting AFD.
	Yeah, I feel like the next sentence David Atherton said there maybe hits a nail on the head.
	Like the Tories pretending they're going to stop the small boats.
	What is she pretending?
	It's just to try and undercut reform.
	Maybe it's that.
	What she really thinks is that they don't really care about Islamic extremism.
	They are all in for a replacement and they hate the German people.
	But they need to win elections.
	And so to screw over AFD at the ballot box, they're going to make noises like this.
	We will see, but what is interesting here is that the AFD won some really good results in some state elections, and as you see here, this is definitely something that the government paid close attention to.
	Now it's interesting that we are not talking about a center-right pretending government.
	We're talking about a left-wing coalition led by Olof Scholz.
	So it's interesting that they would adopt a rhetoric of this kind.
	So we had recently, we also spoke about this, but it's good to remember this and bear the whole situation in mind.
	We had state elections in Germany, or Germany had state elections, in Thuringia and Saxony.
	And the AFD performed very well.
	We see here in Saxony, they won around 31.5% of the vote, whereas the CDU, I think it's the Christian Democratic Union, won 32%.
	And here, these are the prognosis, but the numbers were sort of there.
	And in Thuringia, the AFD also won some really large results.
	So I must apologize because I had a lot of links and I had the actual results and I ended up putting the prognosis in.
	Sorry, that's a mistake on my part.
	We also see here that the German zoomers were overwhelmingly pro-AFD.
	Yes.
	We see here, for instance, in Thuringia, close to 40%, 39% of the people aged 18 to 24, they voted for AFD.
	So it's roughly four out of 10 young people voted for AFD.
	That's great.
	It makes me think of the quote in 1984 where he says, if there's hope, it's in the Proles.
	Like, if there's hope, it's in the Zoomers.
	Come on, Team Zoomer, let's do this!
	Germany does currently have the best Zoomers.
	German Zoomers, best Zoomers.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Okay, so we are also seeing here that the AFD is scoring some really good results this year.
	So, for instance, in the EU election they were the second largest party and they are a force to be reckoned with.
	They're not a force to be ignored.
	And the very fact that people right now, especially young people, who are traditionally You could say the voting bloc that the left tries to appeal to.
	When four out of ten of young people voted for AFD, that's a huge, that's a huge ringing bell for the, that's a huge alarming bell for... For years the left have taken the attitude that we've got the young people and therefore, you know, that means we're right and we're going to win the future and stuff.
	Yes.
	I don't think that is written in stone, you know, the idea that if you're black, you've got to vote Democrat.
	Of course not.
	Not necessarily.
	If you're young, you're definitely going to be left wing.
	Not necessarily.
	Depends what world you're brought up in, doesn't it?
	Exactly.
	And these generalizations are frequently just propaganda when the left is saying that, you know, we care for the workers or we care for young people.
	We care for the young people who don't have any kind of prospects and the bad, the rich, capitalists, all these are propaganda.
	It's more a game of numbers.
	It's more an issue of degrees.
	To what extent do young people support this or that?
	And the same question applies for... Is that their main parliament, this one?
	No, this is for the European elections in this summer and the results and I wanted here to show you the kind of progress the AFD is Marking the last 10 years.
	Now obviously this is just one poll from another and this is from Politico.
	I've seen also different polls giving different numbers but more or less they are showing a kind of tripling of support for the AFD in the last 10 years.
	So for instance here in about 2014 this poll here says that the popular support was around 5% and they're saying here right now it's close to 17-18.
	So that's more than triple.
	We saw some other polls saying that it was about 10 and it's more close to 30 and this is much closer to the results we saw in Saxony and Thuringia.
	And like you just showed us, about 40% amongst the Zoomers.
	Exactly.
	And also we need to bear in mind that this is something that it happened in the last 10 years.
	Obviously the fact that Angela Merkel opened the borders in 2015 isn't inconsequential.
	So perhaps the coalition of the government of Olaf Scholz understands that they cannot not do anything about it.
	Or at least they cannot be seen to do nothing about it.
	Which creates, raises the question whether this is just a loop.
	And they've toyed with the idea of just banning the AFD.
	Probably thinking that, okay, maybe that's a little bit tricky.
	So we're just, we just tend to be fractionally based or something.
	That's the issue though, that a lot of the times when people are trying to ban things, they're making them even more notorious.
	And we should bear in mind that the people who are representing an establishment that is rapidly losing its credibility in the eyes of more and more people, They often forget that when they represent an establishment that sort of loses legitimacy and they attack some, they attack anyone, they're essentially raising the prestige of their targets.
	So it doesn't work.
	Now, of course, yeah, the Streisand effect.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Also, I think you could say that Zoomers, particularly older Zoomers, the older end of the Zoomer thing, They would still be old enough to remember Germany pre-2015, 2016, even if they were kids.
	They'd still remember when their country wasn't flooded with Syrians, when there wasn't just police being stabbed.
	It wasn't that long ago that Merkel did it, I mean, it was.
	It wasn't that long ago, right?
	She was less than ten years ago.
	Yeah she was quite sensible on immigration until she went to some TV debate and some woman got up and got all emotional about immigration and she didn't have an answer for it and she just like overnight changed her policy and then and then it was like okay well let's let's just have 10 million of them then.
	I have to introduce the Greek perspective here because a lot of the time I listen to people who are giving a more intellectualizing perspective on the issue and they're trying to talk about, you know, somehow Merkel had some humanitarian ideals and she switched overnight or something.
	I don't think it has anything to do with ideals or something.
	What do you think is driving it?
	I think, no, no, it was just a matter of political expediency, the way she saw it at the time.
	Because at the time, a lot of people don't remember that in 2015, Greece elected a disastrously leftist government that opened the borders.
	We had a flood of millions of people in 2015.
	Okay, so you're saying she was looking for the right excuse and she got her optics moment and then... Yeah.
	Right.
	Yeah, that's probably fair.
	I think it's much more frequently, you know...
	Reasons of the sort.
	More tactical reasons than just Merkel being an ideologue or something.
	I mean, obviously she had some ideology.
	She didn't want to appear as if she was losing Europe and stuff.
	But it ended up leading to a situation where Germany isn't looking very good.
	But also, I have to say this because I want to give the full picture.
	The Greeks, before we elected that government, we were constantly saying to the EU and the EU leaders that guarding Europe's borders is an EU issue.
	You can't just allow countries like Greece, Italy and Spain, with sea borders that are much more difficult to guard in comparison to land borders, just deal with it by themselves.
	And they weren't listening to it.
	Yeah, and to be fair, the wave of mass immigration kind of happened all over the Western world at roughly the same time.
	So, you know, they all got on board with, yeah, we're going to do this.
	Infinity Africans.
	If you remember, there was that Syrian war involving ISIS and everything.
	If anyone remembers.
	Now a lot of people's memories are really really short.
	Some people don't want to talk about Western influence in that area.
	But let's leave that for the news influence.
	Western influence in that area.
	Right.
	And yeah, let's leave that for another time.
	Yeah.
	So the major question here is what is driving a lot of many Germans to vote for the AFD and a lot of people throughout Europe and the EU to vote for more right-wing parties?
	And people are just honest about it.
	They just constantly say it.
	It's to a very large extent public safety and the feeling that their cultures are being eroded.
	It's just as simple as that.
	But rather than having governments who are taking that seriously and saying that we should do something about it, we have a lot of establishments that are trying to penalize people for speaking about it.
	But it seems that there are limits to the degree you can do this.
	And the AFD's striking performance in German elections sort of pushes the left-wing government of Olaf Scholz to at least understand that he has to appear as if he's doing something about it.
	Whether he does it or not, we're going to be here to watch.
	I'm pretty sure it's fake.
	We'll be here.
	I mean, probably.
	There are possibilities.
	Let's say it's a sincere idea and he deports 28 Afrikaans every year.
	It's like, well, so what?
	Yeah, 28.
	Well done.
	I mean, it's a slightly unfortunate resonance given the nation, but they need whole railcars, really.
	We'll see.
	Also with the Zuma.
	A 25-year-old is a Zuma, right?
	That's right, in the wheelhouse of being a Zuma, isn't it?
	I think that's right, if you're 25.
	You don't know exactly where the threshold was.
	Yeah, there isn't an exact.
	Anyway, say you're German and you're 25, right?
	You remember clearly when, before your country was flooded, completely flooded by Middle Easterners.
	And you would also probably remember a time when it wasn't the idea that you could afford a mortgage and things.
	Yeah.
	Or that your economic future was bright.
	And you had none of these... And now you don't, so... Crazy net zero policies and just destroying the nuclear infrastructure of Germany.
	It's just... Apparently the oldest Zoomer is 27.
	Imagine you were born in Poland or East Germany or Soviet Czechoslovakia or something in the late 50s or the 60s and you grew up and you got to 25 years old and it was all you'd ever known was the Soviet regime.
	It would be more difficult to envision a world where maybe we could get rid of Moscow.
	We don't have to be a Soviet satellite anymore.
	But the Zoomers of Germany today, it's not that long ago.
	So I get it.
	I get it.
	It's great.
	It's great to see it.
	We have this statistic here by Matt Goodwin saying 77% of Germans want to reverse asylum and refugee policy.
	And I want to say something.
	We're not in Germany, but we follow up the news from Germany.
	And we have been talking about some of them very frequently.
	And I'll just show some of the segments I've been involved in.
	And we have done together most of them.
	I think we probably would have been closed down if we were in Germany.
	Probably.
	And probably by the interior minister who is announcing that she's closing the borders.
	Yeah, but it's just... We did just a few incidents.
	We're talking about the Mannheim incident, where someone just went and attacked, I think, Michael Sturzenberger.
	Who was talking, who was criticizing Islam.
	We also did this, Words Over Crimes, where we discussed one of the most, I think that's the toughest segment I've done.
	And we all three did it together.
	When it was a very bad incident of a gang rape.
	Yeah.
	Where most of these people, they were just let out.
	They weren't particularly punished.
	And we had a lady who spoke about it on social media and she she was she stayed for 10 days in prison whereas others who were involved in the crime stayed for less it's a lot older but about a year ago i did a segment on why germany should be run by an ai okay i think an ai that would generate images because if you think about it trump and cats
	No, because if you think about it, if you take the most extreme example of what AI does, all of them line up with German behavior.
	So either it goes insanely woke, like the LA version of AI, well that's what they're doing now, it either becomes hyper-efficient, well that's kind of German as well, Or it becomes megalomaniacal and tries to destroy the world.
	Well, you know, so, I mean, either way, if you put an AI in charge of Germany, you just think, oh, that's just fine.
	Right.
	We did also cover the Solingen Stabbings at the Diversity Festival.
	Also, about a year ago or so, I did an interview with Peter Boehringer.
	Anyone want to say?
	Go to lotusseaters.com.
	I mean, if you're watching this, you're probably already there.
	There's an interview where I spoke to one of the vice chairmen.
	I think it was a really good interview.
	He's an interesting chap.
	Right, and here we have an article from the European Conservative that is talking about some statistics that I showed also when I covered the stalling and stabbings, but I have to remind people of some statistics which are just explaining what is going on.
	So, in Germany, They are comparing here the year 2022 with the year 2023.
	So the total number of crimes increased by 12.5% in 2023.
	Non-Germans were six times more likely to engage in knife attacks than German citizens.
	Six times more likely.
	And they're definitely not six times the population of Germans in Germany.
	That's the per capita situation that I spent a fair bit of time in Germany in the in the 90s in the early 90s and not the early 90s the years of the late 90s and it wasn't quite Japan levels of crime but it was just it was just a such a low crime environment It's amazing how how things can change really fast.
	Just really fast.
	Bad polish.
	600%.
	Imagine you're suddenly six times richer than you are now.
	Yeah.
	Imagine someone six times your height.
	That would be a lot.
	That's a giant, giant leap.
	They're saying that the average of crimes per day is around 2,165.
	In 2023, violent acts were 31,887 and there was a 10% increase compared to 2022.
	So that means that in 2022 they were around 29,000 and now they're close to 32.
	31,887 and there was a 10% increase compared to 2022.
	So that means that in 2022, they were around 29,000 and now they're close to 32.
	Sexual violence has increased by 15% to only 15!
	1.5% in a year from 2022 to 2023.
	It's massive.
	Okay, one year, fine.
	Violence in train stations and trains has risen by 11%.
	Pickpocking incidents increased by 16% to be around 28,000.
	it's massive okay one year fine violence in train stations and trains has risen by 11 percent pickpocking incidents increased by 16 percent to be around 28 000 so you get a lot of what was throwing me there was over one year If you did it back to 2014 when all of this started, it would be like 500-600%.
	It only looks like quite a small percentage because you're doing it from a high base of the previous year.
	It's still big though to me.
	Going up by 12, 15, 16% in one year.
	That's still pretty massive.
	That really adds up after a few years.
	The cumulative effect of changes like that.
	Rouse!
	Beat them out!
	Yes.
	So, I'll end with saying that there are some signs that there could be some positive changes in Europe.
	For instance, now Austria is saying that we're not gonna open our borders to anyone who won't be able to reach Germany.
	You know, any illegal immigrant who tries to reach Germany but won't be able to during the closed borders.
	Also, we had Hungary.
	Victor Orban saying that when he was fined with 200 million euros for not accepting the number of illegal immigrants by the EU migration pact, saying that we're all gonna take all of them back to Brussels, we're gonna give them a free bus ride back to Brussels.
	So it could be the case that the more right-wing parties have power in Europe, the more politicians understand that some sense is required when it comes to policies of illegal migration and mass migration.
	And you could also say that in some cases it's too late.
	But I mean, I'm not a pessimist.
	I'm an optimist.
	But the question is, in a changing environment, Where a lot of countries are beginning to say that we need to have a sort of tougher approach towards borders, the countries that won't, that will remain relaxed, will probably receive a lot of pressure.
	And here is a question by Isabel Oakshot.
	She's saying, hammered by migration, Germany announces border checks at all land borders.
	Schengen, a fundamental pillar of the EU, is collapsing.
	Where is the UK in all of this?
	Waving in more illegal migrants.
	So if the EU starts guarding its borders and the UK doesn't, then perhaps the pressures to the UK when it comes to mass migration are going to be worse.
	And I will say that contrary to some people and the takes of some people, I really don't think that STAMA is more sensible than Yeah, I mean, the disadvantage... Without saying that the previous ones were sensible.
	The disadvantage for our elites, of course, is that we're a long way from Africa, so they just have to fly them over the top of Europe.
	So, yeah, I mean, they will find a way, you know, even if there isn't a direct route through France.
	Even to stem the flow a bit for them getting to Calais, that will be helpful.
	Otherwise, they've got to get a small dinghy from the Bosphorus all the way through the Med.
	Put them on a plane and fly them in.
	So this is a bit confusing coming from the German government.
	Most probably they are alarmed by the AFD's performance and they're trying to mitigate that in the level of communication.
	But we will be here and we are going to see what happens.
	Right, let's talk about Donald Trump, who has basically... Oh, so no, no, let's not talk about... scrap that, scrap that, redo the same, right.
	We've got some... We'll sort it out in post.
	Yeah, we'll sort it out in post.
	We've got O-Punk saying, how many of those German nationals who do stab others are ethnically German?
	I think we answered it when we said that non-Germans are far less, they are definitely not six times more than Germans in Germany right now.
	Yes.
	But they are six times more likely to engage in knife crime.
	We've also got another one which looks like it might fit into my segment better, so I'll leave it there for now.
	Right, let's try that again, shall we?
	Donald Trump has sent out a clear warning to cease and desist.
	So I'm going to refer you to this tweet that he put out, and it is worth reading through.
	It's going to take me a moment, but bear with me because it's stronger language than he's used before.
	He says, cease and desist.
	I, together with many attorneys and legal scholars, am watching the sanctity of the 2024 presidential election very closely because I know better than most the rampant cheating and skullduggery... Top marks for the use of the word skullduggery there.
	I thought I had to get the word bamboozled into my segment later on just to make up for the fact that he's used such a good word there.
	Cheating and skullduggery that has taken place in the Democrats' 2020 presidential election.
	It was a disgrace to our nation.
	Therefore, in 2024, where votes have just started being cast, we'll be under the closest professional scrutiny.
	And when I win, those people who cheated, in capital letters, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences, so that this depravity of justice does not happen again.
	We cannot let our country further devolve into a third world nation.
	It's doing that, isn't it?
	And we won't.
	Please be aware, this legal exposure extends to lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters and corrupt election officials.
	Those involved in unscrupulous behaviour will be sought out and prosecuted at levels, unfortunately, we have never seen before in this country.
	Good, isn't it?
	I'll take it.
	If he does do that, then good.
	I'm a little bit concerned because it reminds me of... Do you remember Locker Up?
	In 2016, wasn't it?
	He would get the crowd to chant Locker Up.
	Or in 2020, he was going to release the Kraken.
	Yeah.
	I think that's a bit more... I'm of the opinion, which is a bit unpopular, especially on Twitter, that Trump is not going to be the person they want him to be.
	And by that I mean he's not going to punish other people as much as they want.
	Yes.
	Well, I want him to do what he actually says, that he's going to go after people and jail them for very long periods for what they did in 2020.
	Well some people want him to go full Sula, don't they?
	These are exactly the people I have in mind.
	He's not going to do that.
	But the thing is, the overarching point is, there's one thing to say you're going to drain the swamp, there's another thing to get it done.
	It's hard, like I know, but it's obviously hard to drain the swamp.
	It's one thing to get up and make a speech or do a tweet saying it.
	Because, you know, like last time he was going to drain the swamp when he got in in 2016.
	When he started filling it up again by bringing in John Bolton and all the rest of them.
	Yeah, there was very little swamp drainage going on.
	Although he did try, like for example at the FBI, right?
	He got rid of Comey, didn't he?
	But that took a lot of political capital to do that.
	A lot of time and energy and politicking had to go on just to remove him.
	And in theory, he should just do it like that.
	I mean, yeah, but it doesn't actually work out by presidential fiat.
	Yeah, just.
	But he's part of the executive branch.
	He should, in theory, just have the power to do that.
	But they managed to bog him down with procedure.
	My hope is that now he's done it once, you know, he's actually got experience in the job, that hopefully his wheels won't spin for weeks and weeks, if not months on end.
	He'll actually know, hopefully.
	He won't let himself get distracted.
	I did want to pick up on the cease and desist bit at the top because that is a sort of legal term that you'll often see in in letters from lawyers where it's basically saying you know you're doing something and if you keep doing it we're gonna we're gonna bring legal action actually courts like the BBC and the TV licensing Did they say cease and desist on that, on the TV license?
	Not exactly, but they're constantly sending very threatening messages.
	Oh yeah, it's a bit like that.
	So cease and desist... We have a list of you, you know... Cease and desist can come from the courts, but more commonly it comes from lawyers as basically a warning that, you know, you are about to be sued if you don't immediately stop doing the thing that we don't want you to do, and then you have to take a decision as to whether you ignore it or you...
	You know you're you or you actually do stop it It's unusual to see that used from a private citizen even one with sort of stature as former president But effectively he's not he's not sending it to an individual He's saying there's a whole class of people their political operatives donors legal voters and election officials Who we will be going after so I can see why he's felt it appropriate to use it here Just a reminder
	And, you know, here is a good tweet that I found that shows the top election number of votes cast, the top 10.
	So you can see that one of these numbers is not like the others.
	Barack Obama, for those who are listening, Barack Obama, just under 70 million votes.
	Barack Obama, the next time round, got less votes.
	He got 65 million votes.
	Hillary Clinton managed to get 65 million votes.
	Donald Trump that same year managed to get 63 million votes.
	But of course with the way the Electoral College breaks down that was enough to put him over the top.
	And then we've got various others.
	They're all about the 60 level until you get to 2020 when Donald Trump increased his vote share from the previous election by 12 million votes.
	And Joe Biden got 81 million votes.
	I mean, it just stands out like a sore thumb, that number, against the back of it.
	Most popular president ever to have lived.
	What, exactly?
	Most popular man ever to have lived.
	Yeah, I mean, going on these numbers, the only reason Barack Obama won is because he had Joe Biden as his vice president.
	If it wasn't for Sleepy Joe, Barry Obama wouldn't have stood a chance.
	He didn't just get more votes than anyone in history, he got substantially more votes than anyone in history.
	I mean, by the order of whatever it is.
	He got 16 million more votes than Barack Obama, at the height of his popularity.
	Remember the L-curve?
	Is that what they called it?
	Oh, I've got that coming up.
	I will come to that.
	Oh, I've got that coming up.
	Oh, OK.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah, I will come to that.
	As another reminder, Google searches for what are the punishments for electoral fraud were up 366% compared to all other elections just before the 2020 election.
	Right.
	So for some reason, for no reason at all, and by the way it happened predominantly in those six states that stopped the count late at night, for some reason a massive surge in people trying to find out what their liability was if they cheated an election.
	So anyway, I looked into what the federal penalties are.
	What can you actually get done for?
	If Trump follows through on this, what can you actually get done for if you diddle an election?
	So I found various statutes.
	There is the There's voter fraud, which violates 18 U.S.C.
	section 611, and that can result in five years in prison.
	So that is when you vote more than once.
	So as a private individual, if you vote more than once, or you vote in somebody else's name, or you vote as a non-citizen, five years in prison and a fine of $10,000.
	Unless you live in a Democrat area with a Democrat DA who just won't do anything.
	Well, the statute is there, whether it's enforced or not is a different thing.
	There's Mail Fraud and Voter Fraud, 52 U.S.C., section 2051, and that will get you, what is that?
	That is for, oh yeah, for voting incorrectly through the mail, or voting fraudulently through the mail.
	Five years in prison and a fine, so very similar to the next one.
	Conspiracies to defraud the United States, where a group of people conspire to manipulate an election.
	18 U.S.C.
	Section 371.
	Again, five years in prison, but the fines get a bit more substantial, they can go up.
	Still seems mild, because what you're doing is really, in my opinion, a terrible, terrible crime.
	You're perverting the Republic itself.
	You've got five years.
	These are largely sort of just individuals doing it.
	But the next one is the only one where it gets slightly interesting and that's election official fraud, where you tamper with ballots, alter the vote totals, engage in bribery to influence an election result, but still that one is only ten years in prison.
	Which is not enough really.
	I wonder if there's any precedent, i.e.
	anyone's actually been prosecuted and given a heavy sentence in the last 20, 30, 40 years?
	Any person?
	I wonder if there's any.
	There must be one or two.
	I wonder if there are one or two.
	It happens a little bit.
	And they're caught and they're prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
	Really?
	A bit.
	Okay.
	A bit.
	So then I thought, okay, how much further can he go?
	Because obviously those sentences, they're a bit like, meh.
	I wouldn't want to be in jail for five years, but at the end of the day, it's only five years.
	It's not that bad, is it?
	So I thought, can he get them for treason?
	What prison you're in, probably.
	Yeah.
	Who you're in with.
	Yes.
	But the other thing is, I think...
	It's not entirely up to Donald Trump, because he would have to pick who he wants to be at the Department of Justice, and it depends who that guy is.
	How hardline and badass that guy is.
	Yeah, well... Right?
	Because if you pick a weakling, or a weak-wristed guy at the DOJ... You want a total nutter doing the job.
	Basically, you want the sort of person that the Democrats routinely appoint, but on the other way.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, you want like a Merrick Garland, but of the right.
	Yeah.
	So then I thought, okay, well, obviously those are a bit weak sauce.
	So what if he goes to treason?
	What if he tries to get him a charge of treason?
	Now that I don't think is going to work, because this is Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution, and it's quite limited.
	It says, yeah, what is it?
	Levying war against the United States or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
	Because isn't that what they tried to get him on with the Russiagate stuff?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But you can see that probably doesn't work for an election.
	But so... It's difficult to prove.
	Yeah.
	Unless people are actually in the pocket of the CCP or something.
	The reason I like that one is because then you can, you know, you know, line them up against a wall.
	Oh, it is.
	Capital punishment is it for that.
	Yeah, but seditious conspiracy.
	So this one's got legs, right?
	18 U.S.C.
	Section 2384.
	Right, this statute makes it a crime for two or more people to conspire to overthrow, put down, or destroy the U.S.
	government by force, or to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of law in the United States by force.
	Possibly?
	Well, that's 20 years in prison.
	It still seems... If you did something like that, shouldn't that be, again, life without parole, or death, or something?
	I mean, unless you can... Often they can kind of just combine them, so they can get you a charge of this, a charge of that, and then they can sort of run them after each other.
	Election-related fraud and tampering laws.
	So there are various other crimes which is tampering an election, that can get 20 years.
	So if you combine that one with that one, there you go, you're 40 years, that's not too bad.
	Or maybe you can have multiple cases of them.
	Again, it would totally depend on the prosecutor probably, wouldn't it?
	The DA, or whether they want to go all out hell for leather.
	Whether they're prepared to do that stuff.
	Yeah, you need... And I doubt that... I don't think the President of the United States... Well, I'm pretty sure the President can't appoint prosecutors.
	I mean, special prosecutors.
	No, it'd be up to the Department of Justice.
	And wouldn't it take a generation to swap out all the weakling, traitor, lefty ones?
	He would have to put a good boss in place and bring in the right... So that's kind of where he went wrong the first time, is he didn't have a proper plan for coming into office.
	And so he just got handed all these swamp creatures and people came to him and said, Mr. President, congratulations on winning.
	You now need to appoint all of these people and these are the right people.
	And because he didn't have his own team worked out, he kind of had to do... So he's probably going to be a much better president because he's had those four years out to think about what his plan is on day one.
	So hopefully he's got this work... I mean, it'd be very disappointing if he hasn't.
	Hopefully you won't pick Scaramucci as the press secretary again.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Remember the mooch?
	Yeah.
	Remember?
	The last one I mentioned is... Oh, actually, there's two more.
	Obstruction of an official proceedings.
	You could get them on that.
	That's 20 years count.
	And RICO for organised crime.
	You could maybe argue it falls under that as well.
	So that's 20 years in prime and forfeiture of assets.
	So that's some good ones.
	Well, that's definitely what prosecutors do, don't they?
	They've got someone that they know that's an organised criminal.
	You know, maybe the head of a gang or something, or the actual mafia.
	And they can only really get them on, like, a tax evasion or something.
	But they say, oh, we're prosecuting you under RICO laws, which is 20 years or something in a federal jail and all your assets gone.
	So they definitely use RICO laws to just put loads of pressure on people.
	Sorry for the phrasing, but my box has stopped working.
	Can we have the next tab?
	If you take it out and put it back in.
	Phrasing.
	Right, no.
	Here we go.
	So that's what you were referring to, wasn't it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So this is basically the mission.
	For those who were listening last time, there was... What do you call this?
	The sort of... The L-curve, was it?
	The L-curve?
	The bit where it sort of just jumps up?
	F-curve, sorry.
	Yeah, oh, the S-curve.
	The upside-down L-curve, otherwise known correctly as the F-curve.
	Of the F-curve, right, yeah.
	So, obviously Trump has got... Because, look, the official narrative on this The official narrative is that the US has the most important high-stakes elections in the world, that it's one of the only democratic countries in the world that doesn't make you show voter ID, and that, miraculously, it has zero voter fraud.
	How can that possibly be the case?
	Everything that can be rigged is rigged.
	Well the thing is the reality is there's all sorts of voter fraud and it's always been the case.
	I've heard someone say that in 2016 with Hillary they didn't cheat enough and with Biden in 2020 they cheated too much.
	In other words there's always cheating on both sides sort of thing.
	You know go back to the 1960 election which I've looked at in loads of detail where Kennedy beat Nixon.
	He's kind of openly admitted at this point that yeah there was loads of cheating in it.
	Yeah.
	There's sort of loads of cheating going on all the time but you know it has to be kept within reasonable limits otherwise you end up with stats like this where it's just it's obvious what... My point is more fundamental than that.
	Take something completely outside of politics.
	Do you remember LIBOR?
	The LIBOR rate.
	So the LIBOR is the London Interbank Official Rate or something like that.
	So basically it was like an interest rate that was set and it was done by taking a sample from various different banks and lots of contracts were riding on this.
	It was high value and it could be rigged and it turned out that it was rigged.
	And that's just one example.
	Everything that is high stakes and can be rigged is rigged.
	And we expect you to believe that the most high stakes election in the world that can be rigged for some reason isn't.
	It obviously is.
	Let's see how our box is doing these days.
	There we go.
	That is what I thought is, uh, so for those who are listening, it basically shows the rally sizes that Trump got, the rallies that Obama got, and, um, I mean, it's basically a sea of people in both cases.
	I mean, Obama and Trump were legitimate, um, crowd pullers, and it's got some, and then it shows, um, Biden's.
	And this is genuinely it.
	Those are the sort of number of people that were turning up to Biden's election rallies.
	I mean, it was Covid times, but the point is absolutely valid.
	And it is also sort of a bit of a colloquial, not colloquial, um, um, what's the word when evidence is, uh, circumstantial, circumstantial sort of evidence.
	Nonetheless, having said both those things, it does speak volumes though, doesn't it?
	It does speak volumes how tiny the turnouts were.
	Oh, I have never seen a gap, a gap in enthusiasm as big as in 2020.
	Yeah.
	It was undeniable, right?
	Regardless of COVID.
	Obama, at the height of his popularity, got 70 million votes and those are the size of the crowds he was pulling.
	Trump, at the height of his popularity, got 74 million votes and those are the size of the crowd.
	And nobody was interested in Joe Biden.
	He got 81 million.
	Some other comparisons.
	Obama won 873 counties.
	Trump won 2,497 counties.
	countries Trump won 2,497 counties Biden won 477 and apparently won Obama won 18 out of 19 bellwether states Yes.
	Trump won 18 out of 19 bellwether states.
	Biden won one of the bellwether states.
	Nothing suspicious there.
	The 2020 election was an interesting one, wasn't it?
	Statistically speaking.
	Oh, statistically it was fascinating.
	Very interesting.
	Obama, he won Florida, Ohio and Iowa.
	All Bellwether states.
	Trump, Florida, Ohio, Iowa.
	All Bellwether states.
	And Biden lost all of those.
	Obama, he won House seats.
	Trump, he won House seats and Biden lost House seats.
	I mean the artifacts in this data is...
	Anyway, so then I thought I'd move on to some of the reaction to what people said about this, and you've already hit upon this point.
	Now, I picked this one entirely at random.
	There were thousands of these comments coming back on Trump, where, you know, Linda here is saying, I get so sick of his whining, we never ever had a problem with elections until Trump came along.
	Why is that?
	Because Trump cannot accept the loss.
	As you've already pointed out, there was a long record ...of election interference and fraud in the United States.
	Yeah.
	Like tons of it.
	Going back to the 19th century.
	Yes.
	It's always been the case.
	Yes.
	They would press gang people into voting a certain way.
	Like back in the... yeah, I mean... They would poison... they would... okay, I won't bother going into it now, but... Well, I tell you, instead of you making the case, why don't we hear what the Democrats themselves have to say about election fraud?
	Samson, do you want to play that nice and big and loud for us?
	I actually held a demonstration for my colleagues here at the Capitol, where we brought in folks who, before our eyes, hacked election machines.
	Those that are being used in many states, but are not state-of-the-art from our perspective.
	We're very concerned because there's only three companies.
	You could easily hack into them.
	It makes it seem like all these states are doing different things, but in fact three companies are controlling them.
	43% of American voters use voting machines.
	that researchers have found have serious security flaws, including back doors.
	These companies are accountable to no one.
	They won't answer basic questions about their cybersecurity practices, and the biggest companies won't answer any questions at all.
	Five states have no paper trail, and that means there is no way to prove the numbers the voting machines put out are legitimate.
	So much for Cybersecurity 101.
	So, for those who are listening, those are all Democrats, you know, making the case that, you know, these machines don't work particularly well.
	Another good example, and I'll be careful what I say because he's a bit litigious, Eric Coomer, interesting chap, head of election security at Dominion Voting.
	Is that the actual surname?
	Yeah, his actual name is Coomer.
	Well on that I'm just gonna quote from this New York Times article because like I say he's a bit litigious and I am quoting here from the article Kuma had written vile anti-Trump Facebook posts those posts from July 2016 which characterized Donald Trump as an autocrat a narcissist and a fascist as well as other much more vulgar insults Head of Election Security at Dominion Voting Machines.
	Now, if you genuinely believe that a man is a fascist, what is it legitimate to do?
	Oh, anything.
	Punch me in the face if you want.
	Yes.
	Can't you?
	The article goes on that Kumar had a powerful sense of regret when these Facebook posts became public because the Facebook posts were, in fact, authentic.
	Why hadn't he just deleted them?
	Kumar could imagine how his words would sound to just about any Republican.
	So basically his concern was he was vilely anti-Trump.
	There was that, shall we say, controversy and his concern was that he didn't delete the Facebook post showing how much he hated Trump.
	Quick reminder of where the state of play was.
	On the night, in those six key states that ultimately decided the election, before they suddenly had a waterworks problem or something and they found that they had to stop the vote, Oh, look at that.
	Trump is leading in all of them.
	And then I think one of them, I can't remember which one now, said, oh, we've got a leak in a bathroom, we're going to have to stop counting.
	But then that obviously wouldn't work for all six of them, so they just said, oh, no, it's a bit late now.
	We're going to have to stop counting.
	Didn't Giuliani and the Kraken woman, didn't they try and actually take it to court and lose, though?
	Didn't Dominion counter sue for libel?
	Dominion did counter sue and did win but I mean they never got standing anywhere so basically the Supreme Court was like yeah you haven't got standing to bring this in fact Texas tried to take it to the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court said yeah you're only Texas why do you have standing in this matter yeah but no my point is Obviously we want Trump to follow through on this.
	Yeah.
	Be nice.
	Not like lock them up this time.
	But if they want to cheat this time, it's going to be a hell of a lot harder.
	Because people are not going to be bamboozled.
	See I told you I don't get that word in there.
	They're not going to be bamboozled into... Because last time they could say to people, oh, we're just stopping for the night.
	Come back in the morning.
	We carry on then.
	The election counters this time.
	They're not going to go for that.
	If they say, no, you leave the building and leave the votes with us, people are just going to say, no, I'll just stand here all night then.
	Yeah.
	They're going to have lawyers on hand.
	Last time around, they were doing things like covering windows, keeping duffel bags of votes under the desk.
	This time, the election observers and the lawyers and the rest of it, they are not going to stand for it if they try and pull this shit again.
	But that gives them an interesting problem, doesn't it?
	Because if Trump says, look, I'm going to go after people who cheated and I'm going to put them in jail for a long time, What do you do if you've already cheated last time?
	There's a pretty powerful incentive to try and cheat again next time, but it's going to be a lot harder to do.
	So this is a real dilemma for the people.
	And the other thing is, right, if you cheat this time around, you're definitely in it, but you need the other key states to cheat as well.
	And some of them, your opposite number's been replaced by somebody who didn't cheat last time.
	So he's not in it.
	So do you cheat?
	I mean, they've got a problem.
	So I kind of admire Trump, like, drawing a line under this and saying, look, no, you are gonna go to jail for a very long time, including those people who cheated in 2020.
	So, yes, good one, Donald.
	A lot of those on the screen aren't even marginal.
	Look at Pennsylvania.
	Yeah.
	Mad.
	Yeah, massive steal.
	Tell us about Mars.
	We have some... Oh, no, we've got some... Yes.
	I always forget these people.
	We'll get to Mars in a bit.
	Isn't there one?
	Scroll down.
	There's one for like a hundred bucks.
	Oh, yes.
	Oh, thank you very much.
	Blood for the Blood God.
	So, to two points.
	First of all, that is a very generous hundred dollar super chat.
	Thank you very much.
	Second of all, I have no idea what you're talking about.
	You say, remember to vote Grandpa Buff as president and Franklin the Raccoon as vice president in 2024.
	What's he talking about?
	Is that Trump and Vance?
	I don't know.
	Well anyway, thank you very much.
	Sad Wings Raging says Trump 2024 to Port and Jail.
	That's a random name says.
	Is it even possible for Trump to... Bloody moving!
	Is it even possible for Trump to do anything against... Who is moving this?
	Oh, new donations are coming.
	I'm going to have to read fast, otherwise people are going to keep moving it for me.
	We want more donations, so take your time.
	Keep moving the bloody list.
	Keep to the donations.
	Is it even possible for Trump to do anything against the deep state, considering the last president tried to get his head popped like a balloon, not being pessimistic, just genuinely curious indeed.
	Neo Unrealist says, speaking of appointing the right sorts of the Roundup, appointing Kash Patel to the task for the Trump would be like going full Sula.
	Dragonlady for $5, thank you very much, says the Heritage Foundation has election fraud database on their website.
	Keith the Kaiser says, I take people at their merit although Trump would need to be better than Harris.
	I don't think they will stop cheating, they're already in too deep.
	says, remember the battle of Athens, Tennessee?
	I don't actually remember.
	says, crime pays.
	The binary surfer, good chap.
	It will make, it will multiple different cheat types, not just ballot mules.
	I don't think they will stop cheating.
	They're already in too deep.
	Yes, fair point.
	And Bald Eagle 1787 says, even if there are poll watchers, lawyers and other third party groups, Democrats are going to cry intimidation when Trump wins.
	At this point, I trust Russia and China to oversee our elections.
	Yes, right.
	Now, Mars.
	Right, yeah, if you could scroll on a document to, there.
	Okay, great.
	Thank you.
	All right, well, now time for something completely different.
	I thought we'd do a white pill for once.
	All good.
	Something a bit different, a tech-based segment, rather than just endlessly reacting to the news cycle and what Trump or somebody tweeted last time.
	Well, having said that, I'm going straight to an Elon tweet from just yesterday, or two days ago.
	Can you play that little video that Elon posted without any further comment?
	There's multiple starships there heading to the red planet.
	It's like the Harkonnens descending on the Arrakis.
	The difference is that Musk is a bit like Arrakis.
	Musk probably actually can do this.
	He probably can actually pull this off.
	Right, yeah, so I thought we'd do a segment talking all about Mars and the realities of going to Mars and things.
	Hopefully it will happen in my lifetime.
	We'll talk of the 2030s or maybe the 2040s.
	I suspect it'll be much, much longer than that.
	I just hope I'm still alive to see it.
	I think he wants his first unmanned mission in 29.
	So the way it works with Mars...
	Oh, no, in 2026, there's planning to do it.
	Oh, 2026, yeah, because the way it works with Mars...
	Run man's shot.
	Basically, you get a four-year launch window.
	Every four years, you get a launch window where you need to sort of take off and just get Mars as it's passing.
	But then you've got to wait another four years to come back again or go there.
	I see people in the chat saying, if BOGO gets to Mars, you won't believe it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, no, I believe...
	I believe...
	I know the other one was a load of bunk, but I've explained my reasons for that, but I reckon Elon could pull this off.
	So yeah, the windows change.
	So the way orbital dynamics work is that the closer you are to the sun, the faster you go around the sun.
	Yeah.
	Um, so in other words, sometimes Mars is on the other side of the sun to us and you have to wait until the right window where it lines up and you go to where Mars will be.
	And it takes something in the order of nine months or something to get out there.
	And then you have to stay there for about six months and then you can come back again.
	So it's like something like a two year, maybe more round journey.
	Or you wait there for four years and you do it the next pass.
	But that's simply not... Well, if he's going to have a colony... At this point, yeah.
	But no, we're talking about the first ever human feet on Mars.
	Boots, rather, on Mars.
	So, it's still a long way out there and the actual details of the Mars mission are still largely not set in stone or anything.
	Like, for example, NASA hasn't picked a landing spot on Mars or anything like that yet.
	Is it a shame NASA's still involved?
	Well yeah, I mean, SpaceX is only a partner to NASA.
	NASA's still the biggest boys on the block.
	But any Mars mission will be sort of a worldwide effort, where it'll be the European Space Agency, the Russians will be involved, the Japanese will be involved, the Chinese, the Indians in small part, and lots of other outside companies so for example the company I can't remember their name now.
	Hopefully not Boeing.
	There's like a completely different company it's nothing to do with NASA or SpaceX or anything that are building making manufacturing spacesuits for example.
	Louis Vuitton.
	So this is the future of space exploration.
	They're all stolen now.
	Yeah.
	So it'll just get subcontracted out to all different things.
	So for example, everyone knows of Elon's, the Starship.
	Well, that's really just the vehicle, I say just, but that's the vehicle that will actually land on the Moon and on Mars.
	It's not necessarily the rocket that will take up lots of other stuff.
	NASA will still be making and being in control of lots of other elements of it.
	It's not like Elon and SpaceX on their own are going to go to Mars.
	It will take really an entire, our whole world, effort to make it happen.
	Because technically, the technical challenge of going to Mars is gigantic.
	It really is incredible.
	Especially since we don't have all that hyper-advanced 1950s technology.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Anymore.
	Well, that's one of the things.
	So let's talk about what the actual steps will be.
	Okay, so their thinking is the idea of launching off from the Earth to go straight to Mars.
	That's just not possible.
	The physics and all sorts of things just don't work.
	Is it such a huge distance?
	Well, yeah, you'd have to build such a gigantic rocket to take all that stuff.
	It's the weight of the fuel, so it's a lot easier to get the fuel into orbit or the moon first.
	So if you look at the Apollo missions, I know you've got questions, as have I actually over the earlier ones, but anyway, it's a tiny little module at the top of those giant Saturn V rockets, just to go to the moon and back in one go, right?
	Now, NASA don't want to do that.
	They don't want to go back to the moon or Mars just so you can say you've done it and spend a few hours there.
	Even sort of Apollo 17, 16 and 17, they're only there for a few hours before they had to come back.
	So the thinking is, we've got the International Space Station, we'll have a new upgraded space station, a refueling station really.
	So Elon and NASA will build many many starships, dozens maybe, And you get them up, because it takes 90% of your fuel just to get out of Earth gravity, to get into low Earth orbit.
	Then you refuel the starships at our space station in low Earth orbit.
	Then you go to the moon, where there'll be a moon base and a lunar station.
	They're going to be calling it the Gateway Lunar Station.
	Then you refuel again there, and then you go to Mars.
	And there'll be whole vehicles that are never meant to land.
	You build them maybe even in orbit and they're never meant to be captured properly by the gravity of Earth, the Moon or Mars or anything.
	So it's a whole different thing.
	It's a whole different beast to trying a moonshot Apollo style and coming back in one go.
	People need some quiet!
	It would just be because they want to try and stay, right?
	The idea is not to do that thing where you touch down for a few hours.
	It's actually to stay.
	So people need some quiet.
	Yeah.
	And would you actually go to Mars?
	Yeah, I'd volunteer 100%.
	I'd go as well.
	Even if I died, you'd die gloriously, right?
	Yeah.
	But it basically is an irradiated desert with nothing on it, not even a bar.
	Yeah, but it's a cool one.
	How is that much different to Swindon?
	Because I can leave Swindon whenever I want, and they have bars.
	No, no, it would be a glorious, glorious journey.
	It would be an odyssey beyond any... I might go once they've got... It would be an adventure, Dan.
	Where's your sense of adventure?
	I might go once they've got the night-time economy set up.
	I'm not going before then.
	No, your name would be etched into the annals of time of one of the greatest explorers of all time.
	Yeah, but he wouldn't read it.
	That's not a good idea.
	No, but I would definitely go.
	Yeah, I'd go.
	I haven't got any skills, though, I'm afraid.
	It's not exactly there's a huge supply of workforce in Mars.
	I'm not a geologist or anything.
	I don't know about building hydroponics out of scratch.
	I'll be the poet.
	I'll be the mission poet.
	You've watched Total Recall with Arnie.
	It could be something like that.
	We need air.
	You remember when he was telling Cohagen, give these people air.
	That's what they need to build.
	Well, Elon's ultimate vision is to like have a giant city on there, like a million people.
	Yeah.
	Go and colonize it permanently, absolutely permanently.
	And that is, I mean, that will be, that will take decades, maybe even more.
	Yeah, just self-sustaining is like a real challenge.
	But so to go to Mars, you would need lots and lots, like the habitation, lots of things to already be there.
	So you need loads and loads of missions to drop loads of stuff already there.
	For example, we've got, there's the example of the Perseverance rover.
	If anyone knows about that.
	So already we can drop something the size of a car, that's completely automated, that can do all sorts of things.
	Oh yeah, I mean, if you play that video, don't put the audio on, but if you play it, and if anyone remembers, this is quite a few years ago now, that's it dropping into the Martian atmosphere.
	They had a thing called the Skycrane.
	Do you remember Perseverance?
	Anyone?
	Do you remember?
	It's a giant rover that's like the size of a car.
	And it had a giant... That's real footage.
	That's the surface of Mars.
	If you believe all the NASA lies and propaganda that is.
	No, I believe this stuff.
	Right.
	Then they had a thing called a Skycrane where it had rockets to stabilise itself and then drop Perseverance down on some tethers and drop it gently on the surface.
	Anyway, we'll let that play for a bit while I keep on talking.
	But no, so going to putting humans on Mars is technically a massive, massive task.
	So, first of all, we'd need a much bigger and better Earth space station.
	Then you need a lunar station, gateway.
	But they also want to put people back on the moon.
	To return to the moon.
	Return?
	Yeah.
	But again, at least semi-permanently, a base.
	Perhaps on the south pole of the moon.
	For all sorts of reasons you want that, or will need that.
	So that's one of the first big steps, is that, and building this gateway thing.
	Um, so the, there's the, the new Apollo, the update of the Apollo program is the Artemis program, or just what, I think there's a few more interesting clips of the Perseverance thing.
	If you skip forward, maybe a little bit, Samson, a bit more, a bit more.
	Well, anyway, just watch it from there.
	Again, to me, incredible footage of an alien world.
	It's touching down.
	It's really, really close to the ground at that point.
	It reminds me of chocolate a bit.
	I don't know why.
	The Ferrero Rocher.
	Look, there are the jets, and they're dropping it down on the tether.
	Looking straight up, that's the sky crane, and then it breaks the tether and... Anyway, we've got lots of clever chaps working on this sort of stuff.
	There's one other link, the next link actually, Perseverance brought a little drone.
	Do you remember this?
	This was a few years ago, one of the first white pill segments I've attempted with Callum was us showing this.
	That's actually a little drone on Mars, and it worked really, really well.
	Surprisingly well.
	As long as there's not storms, you can sort of fly around.
	It's quite good, because it's a very thin atmosphere.
	It's really cool, yeah.
	There's obviously less gravity, but much less atmosphere.
	But these guys are really clever and they figured it all out and it's actually a roaring success.
	I think we will do this as humanity but I don't know if it's going to be in our lifetimes.
	I hope it is.
	Hopefully it will be in the 2030s or 2040s.
	Maybe we have billions of dollars or pounds in the future and you know we're one of the select few who go... I'm not going.
	Yeah, but if there is any major catastrophe, the survivors will have to go to Mars, so there's going to be a very select club of people who are going to have tickets to Mars.
	You wouldn't want to be there.
	And to be fair, Elon is very rich and very motivated, and he clearly wants to do it in his lifetime, and he's older than us, so... He's going to do everything he can to get it done in his lifetime, so he should be alright.
	Hopefully.
	I'd just like to see it.
	Um, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	So the new Apollo program, if you like, for the 21st century is the Artemis program.
	And these are the missions that are going to take us to the moon.
	I appreciate the naming as well.
	Apollo's sister.
	And so, they keep extending how many missions there'll be.
	Last I saw, they slated as many as 16 Artemis missions.
	So they've already done Artemis 1, which was an unmanned, uncrewed, but full-size rocket, was it SLS rocket, full-size, to the moon, slingshot round the moon and come back, just to test, to make sure they can still do that.
	And that was a complete success, almost complete success, when the thing landed back on Earth.
	They realised there was a couple of things that weren't 100% perfect, but largely, 95-99% all went well.
	They've already picked the crew to go back.
	If you scroll down, Samson, on that, a little way down, you'll see the crew.
	I hope they're diverse.
	It is a bit diverse, yeah.
	Thank goodness.
	Yeah, yeah, thank God.
	The first person of colour and the first woman to land on the moon.
	So anyway, that's the crew.
	So, Artemis 2, they're going to do a crew thing, and that's in September next year.
	It'll be like Apollo 10, where they fly around the moon, with people in it, fly around the moon and come back.
	And then Artemis 3, which is meant for, I think, in 2026, Same crew, I believe, is where they actually plan to land on the moon.
	Yeah, and it'll be Elon's starship.
	That'll be an important first.
	It's fun with the sequels, you know.
	And I think they're gonna... Fast and Furious 20.
	I said they're gonna land at the South Pole, right, yeah.
	Artemis 20.
	It might be.
	I think they're up to 16, I've heard somewhere.
	Saw a video somewhere.
	Because they want to build either permanent or semi-permanent human presence on the moon, probably at the South Pole where there's water ice in the craters and the science is there or nearly there to make fuel and all sorts of metals and materials that are on the moon.
	You build things out of stuff that's on the moon.
	You have to do it from local manufacturing because Because of the reason you outlined, it's too much to take into orbit.
	Too expensive, yeah.
	Every pound of weight you take up into orbit costs a lot.
	You can actually even make solar panels for energy from lunar regolith.
	I mean, it has a woeful light to energy conversion.
	But because you can make it there, it's still superior, so you make it out of regolith.
	And with water, actually, you can break up the hydrogen and the oxygen, and there's some very clever things that can be done.
	You break the water into hydrogen, which is rocket fuel, and oxygen, which you need to breathe.
	And to fire the engines as well, you need oxygen.
	Just like a bellows in your fire.
	Okay, so there's the Artemis mission, so hopefully by, I think, it's slated, it says September 2026 is when we're going to put boots back on the moon.
	Now, the reality of it is it'll almost certainly get pushed back, because it just always does.
	It's just the nature of any big projects, not just space travel, any big, big projects, And that's also kind of Elon's thing, he's ridiculously optimistic and he always sets timetables, and he does actually achieve them, but never when he says he will.
	Yeah, well NASA gave him a little bit of a chewing out not too long ago, about six months ago, saying some of the technologies that SpaceX claimed they were going to develop for all sorts of things, they're a bit behind on that.
	Yeah, SpaceX revolutionised space travel.
	Something that NASA couldn't do in 50 years.
	It's a really unfair criticism, yeah.
	Yeah.
	OK, right, fine.
	Still, anyway, can you scroll down on my document there?
	OK.
	So, yeah, over to SpaceX then, because their Starship vehicle will be heavily involved in it.
	So, if we can play this.
	They've had four test flights.
	This is a little video.
	You can put the audio on, but quietly, and play this.
	The last test flight wasn't that long ago, and there'll be the fifth one later this month, I believe.
	I remember watching the first one and it blew up quite quickly.
	Flight director, go for launch.
	Erm...
	The engineering of it is so impressive.
	I mean, even the sound.
	I mean, it's awesome, isn't it?
	I mean, it's fire.
	What's not to like?
	Now witness the awesome firepower of a fully armed operation.
	I think it was just some African-American, Elon, who came up with this stuff.
	NASA couldn't do this.
	And this kid came along and he revolutionized it.
	There's like 30 or 33 Raptor engines on it.
	Unbelievable.
	And those things are big beasts as well.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that will land.
	Yeah, that will land, unsuccessfully, but still.
	And actually SpaceX, they've got plans to use it as basically a replacement for long-haul flight replacement.
	So you can go from London to Sydney, in theory, if this all works, in about 45 minutes.
	Yeah.
	The Earth spins at about 1,000 miles an hour, so... Yeah.
	You won't get much spin going on the latitude.
	Right, yeah.
	That's a fair point, yeah.
	But look, it is like something out of science fiction.
	It didn't go absolutely perfectly.
	They don't show you it, but it then topples into the sea.
	But still, that's not really... Yeah, but you've gone from partial re-usability, like 90% re-usability when it works, to what NASA was doing, which was you lost the rocket every time.
	And Elon's plan is to build dozens, hundreds of these.
	The idea is that they'll build a new, at least, segment, a portion of the Starship every day.
	What an amazing ambition that is.
	And this is the top bit, the actual starship if you like.
	And it very nearly burns up on re-entry, but not quite.
	But you know, you wouldn't want to be on board when it was doing something like that.
	It's landing Australia in the dark.
	It did land, but then toppled over.
	The thing is, they're not actually meant to land exactly.
	There'll be a big grab tower thing.
	They call it, what do you call it, the Mechazilla.
	Have you seen the big tower that they launch from?
	It's also got like a big two arms.
	I've seen the 3D concept art stuff where it basically just hooks it on.
	Yeah, it lands, or slows down lands, and it grabs it.
	And I think, if I'm not mistaken, Test Flight 5, which I think is later this month, they're going to attempt that.
	They're going to have a go at being caught by the Mechazilla.
	That'll be a sight to behold.
	If you play the one I just called Booster Landings, I mean, it is almost beggar's belief, doesn't it?
	Go on, play it.
	Play it sometimes.
	Like, sometimes, I think, you sort of can't quite believe your eyes.
	Imagine if an ancient person or a medieval person saw something like this.
	These are stages.
	I think these are from Falcon 9s or something, the old Starship ones.
	Still, you remember the early days when they tried to land and it sort of never worked.
	They always fell over.
	Well, they're getting better and better and better.
	And he was about to run out of money until it worked.
	Yeah, at one point he very nearly ran out of money, didn't he?
	Yeah, very nearly, yeah.
	Or the amount of money he was prepared to spend on it, rather.
	Well, no, this was... I think his PayPal fortune was kind of endless.
	That was in the earlier days, when he wasn't anywhere near as rich as he is now.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's talk about the early days a little bit, and the engine.
	So when he first started, I remember him going on Joe Rogan, and apparently he said to someone, I think NASA, or even the Russian space agency, he said, can I buy one of your rockets, or can I buy an intercontinental Well, first of all, he tried to go to Russia and he was going to buy a nuclear missile without the nuclear bomb.
	Yeah, without the warhead on it.
	And they said, it's this much money, loads and loads of money.
	And he was like, well, I can manufacture my own one for way less than that.
	And that was what started him.
	And when he first started, he got a team together and he said to his engineers, just build me the cheapest, simplest thing.
	I haven't got endless, endless money.
	So build me the simplest thing and they did and they got so far with that and at some point after it took off and SpaceX became a thing he said right I don't want I don't want the simplest old-school basic essentially the same type of engines they were using in V2s the Nazis were using The same concept of a rocket engine is like, I want the best thing possible, the most efficient thing possible.
	Let's start from scratch and redesign the rocket engine to be much, much more efficient.
	So that's what they did and they created the Raptor engine.
	Can we play the link?
	Have I got a link there?
	Yeah, play this.
	Just the awesome power of it.
	It's always comical, isn't it?
	In a grand way, in a fantastic way.
	Just like the ridiculous power!
	You wouldn't want that on the back of your vehicle, would you?
	Absolutely love it.
	I just strapped 33 of those on a single vehicle.
	It's so great.
	It's such a laddy thing.
	Like, what's the most powerful thing you can imagine?
	Let's build one.
	Like those, um, those old, um, Saturn V. Because Starship's got, I think, I keep saying, 30 plus Raptor engines, but the old, the old, um, Titan ones, um, or the old, uh, yeah, the ones, the Apollo ones.
	You'd have only like five.
	I think they're built by Pratt & Whitney.
	Have five of those engines.
	They're much, much bigger.
	Much less efficient than a Raptor.
	But just five of them.
	These giant engines.
	It was the most powerful thing, the fastest thing ever.
	I think Apollo 10 or 11 was the fastest ever thing men have ever built.
	It went like 40,000 miles an hour or something at its fastest speed.
	That's the best way to light up a cigar.
	Yeah.
	Imagine lighting a cigar, standing just to the side.
	You'll be alright.
	So, with Elon's vision and his Raptor, and NASA committed to it with the Artemis program, Or at least looking like they're going to build that Gateway Lunar Station.
	These are all the things you need before we can realistically talk about really, really going to Mars.
	But the steps are happening.
	Carl seems to be convinced we're not going to, or the whole thing will be scuppered by blood parents.
	It's only the select who will go there.
	Only the best of the best will get selected for the actual mission.
	Oh, Enlightened.
	You've got to be a Plato scholar.
	Only philosopher kings are welcome on the final Mars shot.
	No, we're going to be honorary guests.
	That'd be nice.
	I would love that.
	Slightly off topic, but I always think that actually Venus is a great bet as well.
	What?
	What?
	Venus is a hellscape.
	The worst planet.
	Yeah, for two reasons.
	One is, I mean, it's got an incredibly dense atmosphere.
	It's like 95 times the density of Earth.
	But what that means is that actually there is a buoyancy point about, I think it's about 54 kilometers up.
	Whereas if you basically take a lightweight city, put it in a sort of bubble and just fill it with normal air, it actually floats.
	Like, you know, like in Star Wars, those floating cities.
	Empire Strikes Back.
	Oh, Empire Strikes Back, yeah.
	So you can actually have floating cities about 50 miles up and even cooler is you can then go outside with just a bit of an oxygen breather and it's like normal temperature.
	At that altitude?
	Are you sure?
	Yes, yeah, I'll send you all the stuff.
	I thought Venus was rain, sulfuric acid, and there's loads of ammonia.
	Surface is an absolute hellscape.
	I mean, the pressure will kill you, the heat will kill you, the lightning will kill you, the volcanoes will kill you.
	There's a sweet spot 50 miles up?
	Yeah, and you can have a relatively lightweight city structure and it will just float at that point.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	And the other thing is, actually, if you take it even further, and this is a bit more tricky to pull off, if you think about it, like 98% of the atmosphere of Venus is carbon dioxide.
	So if you could transport a large, and it would have to be a large amount of hydrogen, which shouldn't be, I mean, and this is no time soon, this is like centuries into the future, but if you were to take a large amount of hydrogen there from one of the gas giants, What happens when you combine CO2 with hydrogen?
	Well, you then get the product with CH4, which is methane, and H2O, which is water.
	So you can actually... Well, you need a catalyst, like nickel or something, but actually on Venus, because it's so hot and the pressure is so high, even a catalyst like iron would work.
	You can convert that CO2 atmosphere, basically you can collapse it down into water and you're just left with a planet which is roughly the same size as Earth with an ocean and continent surface structure.
	But it stinks like hell because it has so much methane.
	It's like being in a cow field with thousands of cows.
	And it would be worse than that because all the volcanoes would still be there and you'd still have the sulfuric acid in the atmosphere.
	But it would be cool.
	It would certainly be cool.
	It's very very interesting but you're getting way ahead of yourself.
	One thing I would like to say if I can make a direct appeal to Mr Musk I would love SpaceX to build and send a probe to Europa.
	I thought you were going to say Uranus for a second.
	No, Uranus.
	Europa is good.
	Titan as well.
	We've already been to Titan.
	The Cassini-Huygens mission.
	We landed a probe on Titan.
	Yeah, but there's a lot more to do on Oh yeah.
	Is Uranus the one with the wind that's around 450 kilometres?
	Both Neptune and Uranus are like wind planets.
	NASA actually could have gone to Europa and they decided not to because there is a possibility that there's life under the ice shelf.
	Well that's what I want, that's why I would like Mr Musk to go there whilst NASA are dragging their feet.
	So he sent a lander there and maybe this is some sort of got some sort of heat plate and it just melts through the mild thick ice or whatever it is and underneath that ice is an ocean.
	We know there's definitely an ocean underneath the ice on Europa and there may be life there.
	Why, a bit tangential, but why is Pluto not considered a planet anymore?
	That's just a huge demotion.
	It's a regular shape so the definition was changed so that it has a regular spheroid shape.
	You mean illegal?
	Oh yes, yes.
	Yeah, it's a dwarf planet but I still count it as a planet.
	Okay, yeah.
	Like the way I still call Istanbul... It will always be a planet in our hearts.
	I still call Istanbul Constantinople.
	Pluto's still a planet for me.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Now, I think there's just many... Yeah, there's a few different reasons, but... Okay, I guess we'll leave it there.
	they've run out of time unfortunately but hopefully we're going to Mars in our lifetimes yeah both yeah I know I know yeah Yeah, that was... That was deliberate.
	Uranus is a wind planet.
	The one with the winds, you know, the fast winds.
	Big winds.
	Out by Uranus.
	Uranus.
	Do we need to play the button?
	Our box isn't phrasing.
	I went down a polygart rabbit hole today and now social you.
	Check out this hell blob.
	30 million dollars for something I can replicate and blender in 48 seconds.
	I timed it.
	The interesting part is on his Wikipedia page where he's acclaimed not for being an artist, but for being a tireless devotee to the plight of refugees and displaced people.
	So that leads to the question, is he an alleged artist first and a political actor second to keep himself ingratiated in the club?
	Where you see a political actor first and being paid millions of dollars to inflict garbage on the public square is his dividends for being one of the chosen few.
	A distinction without a difference.
	And the rest of us artists work for a living.
	Well those things look like the thing from Flight of the Navigator.
	Have you ever seen the 80s film Flight of the Navigator?
	Oh yeah, that's a good one that.
	Yeah, one of the things earlier on in that video looked like a small version of that.
	Yeah, it did actually, didn't it?
	Well, before we go on, do you want to read?
	Do you mind reading them?
	Because I always get terrible glare when I sit here.
	Absolutely, lean over.
	That random name says, I was about to say what Dan said, Venus is much easier to colonize and terraform than Mars.
	Look it up, the main issue with Mars is that it is a core inert, meaning no magnetic field.
	Yeah, there's no magnetic field on Mars, which means you lose the atmosphere that you put on, but at a rate that's quite slow, so... I get that, I take that, but surely it's not easier than... Surely Venus isn't easier to terraform than Mars?
	Surely not?
	If you could get enough hydrogen there...
	Right, which, honestly, I'll take you through this stuff, it's not as hard, it sounds ridiculous, but it's not actually quite as absurd as you think.
	Okay, fair enough.
	It's easier to have a little domed colony on Mars, but to actually terraform Mars is a huge problem because it's lacking certain things.
	And with Venus, it's got those components, if you can get some hydrogen there, and like I say, catalysts like nickel or something.
	Because it's gaseous.
	It's been a runaway... Well, it's a rocky planet, but it just has a thick atmosphere.
	It's been a runaway climate change.
	Yeah, I want to trigger another conversation in the chat.
	You just want to get back to Uranus.
	Pamela says, love the show.
	Thank you.
	Pamela says 20.
	Good comment.
	Lee777 says, Zavalid, alt-history YouTuber, done a couple of pretty funny videos about Mars Colony, ran by Elon, declaring independence from the Earth.
	BaldEagle1787 says, What's funny is all these people wanting to go to Mars don't realise they aren't actually going to be chosen, since they have zero useful skills needed to actually build a society there.
	Although maybe that's what we could do.
	We could build a society there.
	We could be like the founding fathers of Mars.
	I would insist on being an absolute monarch.
	And Sad Wings Raging says watch Count Dacula's battle on the Athens Tennessee video.
	Pure white pill history everyone should know.
	I want to say something about Pamela2780.
	She says 20 because isn't 42 the right answer?
	Yeah that is the answer yeah.
	Is there one more?
	Venus is much easier because it already has an atmosphere by that is a random name, thank you.
	And other such components.
	The idea is we terraform Venus and use the leftovers to terraform Mars.
	I'll take roughly a thousand years though, lol.
	Mars has got an atmosphere?
	Yeah, it's super thin though.
	but the main the main problem is it doesn't have a spinning iron core so you don't get that magnetic shell over the top whereas venus you've got those necessary components well i'll show you the stuff but it's not as it's not as crazy as you think it is we've got another video dan since we spoke at the witton i found a book that i would like to send in to you about the north korean economy very good it's
	It's called A Most Enterprising Country, North Korea and the Global Economy by Justin V Hastings.
	I'll also leave a list of the things that he outlines in the book, as well as a very interesting video you can find on YouTube.
	Excellent, well thank you.
	Look forward to receiving that at the regular PO Box address.
	Hey, guess what?
	What?
	It's scorpion season!
	Make sure you send this to anyone you know who might be thinking about moving to Texas.
	That's one thing about England.
	It's not like America or Australia or even Greece.
	We've got very few bugs and big predators or anything really in England.
	That made me shudder even though it's a pretty small scorpion.
	There's more people sticking in comments.
	No magnetic field means everything dies of space cancer.
	Yeah, you get lots of radiation.
	Also, Venus will be warm and it'll be much easier to have life on it.
	Yeah, especially if you collapse down.
	So a lot of the heat comes from the pressure of the atmosphere.
	The point is, is that we could go to Mars in decades, and you're talking about a thousand years or centuries.
	Yeah.
	Grabbing a planet-sized amount of hydrogen.
	Yeah, I appreciate... That's pie-in-the-sky stuff.
	Like, you don't have to terraform Mars in order to go there.
	You would have to terraform Venus before you can dream of going there.
	Guys, I think we need to also do some of the comments from the... Yes, we're distracting ourselves, aren't we?
	I want to say the first one.
	Colin P says, happy birthday Mrs Dan.
	Oh yes, thank you very much.
	Rue the Day, with her 27th bow simping comment of the stream, is saying, Bow is looking especially eye candy today.
	The look is coming along nicely.
	You've got to send this woman a signed photograph of yourself at some point.
	No, I appreciate it.
	I like it.
	Thank you.
	I'm very kind of you to say.
	I think the feeling is very neutral there.
	Has Germany... Oh, no, that's your one.
	Yeah, Captain Charlie the Beagle.
	I know German family that moved back to Germany in 2016 only for them to come back during after COVID.
	They said that it's not safe anymore due to the number of foreigners.
	They aren't conservative at all.
	The mother is a hippie.
	Well, they found out.
	Arizona Desert Rat.
	I really want the border to be policed again, U.S.
	oil wells to be drilled and pumped, and the money to be shut off.
	My grocery bill went up again yesterday because of inflation.
	Shrinkflation.
	Most probably this is about another one segment.
	Danny's built like a garden shed.
	Out of mahogany, maybe.
	Let's all just be glad that Germany's closing the borders instead of expanding them.
	The last few times I tried didn't go so well.
	Yep.
	Right.
	Damn.
	Oh, right.
	Yes, hang on.
	Right, Texas Girl says, looking forward to some white pills after yesterday.
	Mr Ward says, nobody with confidence in their victory wants a less secure, transparent election.
	Everything they do screams insecurity.
	They are scared witless and are little enough to begin with.
	Mr Lazer says, here's the thing with election manipulation charges, the left will simply change the rules.
	They did it in 2010 with amazing effect, so brazenly.
	To make a Time magazine cover story and Pick one more now.
	Yes, mr. At says, but you don't know gentlemen requiring government ID is racist Apparently people with a skin shade besides white are unable to get a government ID Indeed Mars or bust You want to do some of yours, or...?
	Yeah, I can't see them too well.
	I'll try.
	All right.
	Well, I'll do it.
	Sophie Liz says, Just make sure Boeing isn't building those spacecraft.
	Mr Fox says, Requirements for a Mars mission astronaut must like enclosed spaces for prolonged periods and potatoes.
	A reference, I think, to who met them.
	George Hap says, I like the current era of space exploration even more than the space race.
	Well, this one is happening.
	Rather than two superpowers duking it out, we have the natural human curiosity and ambition of driven people's passion.
	Even from a political perspective, colonization of Mars gives us the opportunity for a fresh start.
	Doesn't that be hippie?
	I like it.
	I'm just in a sort of trolleying mood.
	I like it.
	We'll be positive.
	I like it.
	I'm just in a sort of trolling mood.
	Mr. Ape says, going to Mars sounds like a great adventure.
	Being on Mars sounds like the most boring thing I can imagine.
	Yes, exactly.
	This is where I am.
	I would only go if you could guarantee if you could die on the way and never arrive.
	Mars doesn't even have cheeseburgers or anything.
	It doesn't have a nighttime economy.
	Yeah, but you would wake up in a grateful universe.
	Okay, right.
	So you get put on the 2026 mission.
	Yeah.
	And you're what, like, late 30s now.
	You get there and it's like, oh right, okay, what am I going to do now for the next 40 years?
	I don't know, I'll just travel fast and come back in time and be 35 again.
	I think not wanting to go to Mars betrays a lack of adventure, a lack of imagination.
	It's just, it's just a, it's just a cancer-ridden desert.
	It's not.
	It would be one of the greatest achievements that humans have ever done.
	Why would you not want to be part of that?
	For the same reason.
	It's not about going get a pole dance and getting drunk.
	It's not about that.
	Right?
	Well, you don't know.
	But I doubt that.
	You could have a spaceship with a dancing pole, and you could have also...
	Try and get that past a NASA committee. - Yeah.
	Come on, they need a base committee.
	Your name, I know it's only vanity, but your name would go down with the likes of Magellan.
	You'd be remembered for all time as one of... That's not the kind of going down I'm worried about missing out on.
	Imagine twerking in Mars.
	A video twerking in Mars.
	Colin P says, Elon Musk must go to Mars, find six foot tall limbed Martians, busty Marzoomian princesses and dead tripods.
	Indeed.
	Colin P. also says E.E.
	Docksmith helped create the space opera genre.
	Has a US election fraud storyline in the 1950s.
	First lensman.
	I didn't know that.
	Very good.
	We've got another one about Venus coming in.
	Oh, you can have awesome floating cities.
	I think Cloud City in Star Wars in decades in Venus.
	Who wants to live in a sunless irradiated desert instead of comfortably warm utopian flying cities?
	Yes, that random name gets what I'm going on about.
	Even they admit it'll be in centuries though.
	No, he just said in decades.
	Oh, decades.
	Honestly, it is less complicated than you think.
	Seriously, I'll take you through the stuff after.
	How about Venus?
	To terraform Venus to the point where... No, no, no.
	To have floating cities.
	That can be done more or less now.
	Yeah, but you want them to float somewhere?
	Honestly, you can.
	He can.
	You want it to float somewhere where you're going to have a good view, not just it smelling like full of methane or something.
	It's like a fart factory there.
	Yeah, right.
	Well, I think methane is odalist, isn't it?
	Of sulphur.
	I think Venus stinks of sulphur.
	Yeah, sulphur's the problem.
	Like, that is eggy.
	Alright.
	Alright.
	Okay, fine.
	We're getting grumbled at for the producer for not ending.
	Anyway, so, make your own mind up if you're going to go to Mars, Venus, or have a night out like me, because that's obviously much more sensible.
	It's goodbye from me, it's goodbye from him, it's goodbye from him, cheerio, and see us in half an hour for... Hang on, I'm being shouted at again.
	I know, I was just about to say that.
	As I was saying, join us in less than half an hour for our Churchill discussion, which is going to be an absolute minefield and get us all cancelled and be disastrous.
	But anyway, if you want to see that, it's half an hour.

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