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June 18, 2024 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
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Hello and welcome to Podcast of the Lotus Eaters for this Tuesday the 18th of June.
I am joined by Bo.
Hello.
And our very special guest Catherine Blakelock, founder of the Brexit Party.
Thank you.
Thank you for coming on.
Thank you very much.
So we've got a couple of things to talk about today.
Rumours about the impending death of the petrodollar.
We've got the reform UK manifesto and then we've got, well, what would we do?
What would we do if we were writing a manifesto?
So that should be good.
Also, because on account of the fact that it's me and Bo doing the notes, this is the shortest set of podcast notes I've ever seen.
But hopefully we'll be alright.
You sneak people behind the scenes.
Some people write pages and pages and pages of notes.
Yes.
And you and I just do jotting.
Yeah, I just have a few ideas and just go off of that.
So, yes, the impending death of the petrodollar.
I got asked about this quite a lot last week because, for whatever reason, it started trending.
I think the rumour went out that the 50-year petrodollar agreement had come to an end.
So I had loads of people asking me to comment on that.
So I'll quickly cover it.
I don't think it deserves a huge amount of time on this one.
It's a rumour.
Did it not happen?
Not exactly, no.
So I think where it came from is it is the case that in June 1974 the Petrodollar Agreement was reached.
Right.
But it was kind of open-ended.
And it didn't have a sort of 50-year timescale on it.
And it wasn't quite as ironclad as a lot of people have made out.
So, I mean, it has been the case that Saudi can sell oil in other currencies.
They've just generally chosen not to, and they've largely stuck with the dollar system because the dollar has that sort of depth of liquidity.
And also, if it takes in, you know, 30 billion of rupees or whatever, you know, what are you going to do with them?
There's only so much spice you can buy.
So they tended to go dollar because the dollar had that sort of depth of it but it's not actually as such over.
But the story is directionally true even if it isn't literally true.
So I do think the dollar system is waning.
even if it's not this sort of sort of hard cut off that we've sort of seen and actually and and this is uh this is the point you made to me Katherine just before we came on is it's not so much how the uh it's not so much what it is transacted in that really matters it's how it's stored Well it's your ability to transact is the first point, i.e.
if you don't have a bank account then you have a problem transacting as Iran does.
So if you step back, in all these issues, including Bitcoin, the issue is where the The transaction meets the real world, i.e.
where you take the money out of, to transact it, to put it into Bitcoin.
And when you take it back out of Bitcoin, where it goes.
That's the issue.
The bank accounts.
The cards.
Well, of course, Russia was thrown off SWIFT.
I mean, that's the sort of thing you're referring to when Iran doesn't have access and And many individuals don't have bank accounts or can't get bank accounts.
And PayPal is the same.
So we've seen it in this country.
But this is the issue that, you know, the draconian banking issue with the idea that they're private banks and they can do whatever they want to whatever country they want.
It's kind of become a mechanism of sort of global control, the banking system.
I mean, it's kind of like the third major arm of government, the intelligence services, the governments and the banks.
And that's before we talk about digital currencies.
Yes.
Which might come up in the reform manifesto.
But the real issue is there have already been transactions.
Venezuela was transacting oil for food.
Zimbabwe, I think, other places, a lot of places have done transactions.
So India would not, as you did in your example, give them, you know, 50 billion rupees.
It would have a deal to provide, you know, rice or grain or...
Yeah.
Even remittances.
Yes.
I mean, the vast bulk of transactions have occurred in dollars historically.
Yeah.
But it's not quite as hard and fast as some of the people were sort of talking about on this stuff.
So a very quick recap on the petrodollar, just to sort of bring everyone up to speed on this.
So I might miss one or two details here, but this is broadly true.
So there was a war.
And after the war, the US basically had most of the gold.
I think it had 75% of the gold reserves.
And somebody, I suspect an American, thought it would be a really good idea to hang on to that gold.
So they said... Unlike Gordon Brown.
Yes, yes, unlike Gordon Brown.
So they said, I tell you what, why don't we have this clever Bretton Woods system where these pieces of paper are as good as gold?
And somehow they convinced people that that was indeed the case.
So that worked for a long time.
And basically the rest of the world said to America, OK, but you're not going to cheat on this, are you?
And America said, no, we are definitely not going to cheat.
These pieces of paper are definitely as good as gold.
And then they cheated.
So basically, by the 60s, it was increasingly obvious that the US was spending more than they could actually justify for their own gold reserves.
So by 1970, the French were like, don't trust this.
Let's have our gold back.
And it sort of precipitated a crisis period where Nixon had to sort of break the connection between gold and the dollar.
And the dollar came truly just bits of paper.
Now, at that point, early 70s, the dollar system was floundering.
It didn't really have a hard connection to anything.
So what they did is they thought, well, OK, look, we can link it to something tangible like oil.
That will work.
We've got a big military.
Those Saudi people over there, they've got lots of oil.
So why don't we do a deal with the House of Saud where we say, if you agree to price everything in, or pretty much everything, in dollars, And then take the dollars that you earn from that and put them in US Treasuries, then we will supply you with all the tanks and aeroplanes that you need, so that you, the House of Saud, stay in control.
And that system pretty much worked for a long time.
In fact, we've got a little diagram here of broadly the system.
So, for those listening at home, I'll try and describe it.
But essentially, you've got the US running a very large trade deficit with other developed nations that have a trade surplus.
And they can basically send out bits of paper, so bonds, and they get actual stuff shipped back again, meaning the US can live beyond its means and have a larger military than it otherwise would.
Can I stop you there for a second?
There's an important distinction to make between a trade deficit and an internal deficit.
For example, Japan has one of the biggest internal deficits to GDP, but it has overseas asset surpluses.
Quite a lot in fact.
Lots.
Which, there's a big distinction because it means, Britain of course has a terrible situation in both, obvious, but it means that Japan in a hurry can repatriate assets, can repatriate money.
So its deficit, you can argue, doesn't really matter because its deficit is just printed internally.
It's a distribution issue internally.
So supposing we had a closed world, a closed country, and we start having a deficit.
We're distributing the chips around.
Some people are going to win and some people are going to lose.
People who don't have, you know, you lower interest rates, pensioners don't get much on their savings, etc.
But it doesn't actually affect your currency.
And there is really quite an important point between these two.
And people never really make this point.
They just talk about deficits.
Yes, all worthwhile points, but might skim through just for the purposes.
But no, you are absolutely right, and Japan is an increasing case.
And most of Asia.
So Asia is running big overseas services.
Well of course they had their crisis back in 98, and they largely got their house in order with a lot of this stuff, where they sort of divested themselves of this untenable position that they were in, which looks like it may now be coming to the west.
That sort of, that start in the periphery and move to the centre type financial crisis could be on the verge of occurring somewhere here.
I think the more interesting one is Japan rather than the Asian crisis.
The Asian crisis only affected a very small number of countries.
Thailand and Indonesia and Malaysia did not affect all of Asia.
So it was a very specific, had very specific reasons in those countries which was over lending by banks.
Japan of course had its crisis in early 90s, much much earlier.
And the issue for me about why Japan had its crisis in the 90s and we are starting to see the crisis now is about demographics.
It's not about this.
It's about when the baby boomers start to retire 208, that's when the crisis starts to hit.
And Japan has the oldest age demographic.
Because they have basically the same issue but it's moved back about 15 years.
So their demographic collapse basically just happened earlier.
So you're seeing the same trends.
Well, and they didn't prop it up with immigration.
But I would still argue, we'll go on to this, that Japan is doing a jolly sight better socially, culturally, without its immigration.
But yeah, it's a good point though.
I'd rather have that problem.
I'd rather have, oh no, we haven't got enough immigrants than the situation that we are in.
Yeah, I mean, you can get a house for free in Japan.
That'd be good, wouldn't it?
But we've got plenty of places anyway.
The thing I was interested in, if you talk about the petrodollar, is specifically Saudi Arabia.
Because I happen to be very, very interested in Richard Nixon, one of the earliest series I did on my own channel, History Bro, check it out, like and subscribe.
I've read quite a few books about Nixon, fascinated by Nixon and the Nixon era of the Vietnam War and coming off the gold standard and of course there was an oil crisis, I'm too young to remember it myself, it was before my time, but the gold standard thing and OPEC and coming off and the oil producing countries In a way, holding America to ransom, in a sense, is maybe a bit strong.
But anyway, it's all wrapped up.
There's much more than just Nixon deciding, oh, it's probably best if we come off the gold state.
It wasn't just, he didn't just wake up one morning and think, I think that's for the best, let's do that.
Well, he didn't really have much choice.
Right.
Yes.
He felt, you've probably corrected him, he didn't really have much choice.
He'd been painted into a corner in all sorts of economic senses.
But, well, I don't know if you know about this, but I don't.
I'm genuinely asking.
Because there's Aramco, isn't there?
That's the Saudi... Aramco, yeah, yeah.
So you talk about bank accounts and sort of the actual movement of monies.
I wonder, I really don't know the answer, I wonder...
You know, the exact relationship between Aramco and the actual royal house of Al Saud.
Their actual relationship.
Oh, I don't know.
I don't know that level of personnel.
Like, whose bank accounts are whose and how it really all works.
I don't know.
I'm not sure if... I mean, there is another interesting thing which I didn't bring into this segment because I thought I'd just skim through it quickly.
The Rothschilds have been making moves in Saudi.
Recently and that's probably yeah, that's probably I think a bigger story than all of this kind of stuff actually and it really kind of lines up Yeah, but which I can't remember which of the Rothschild's but it was Nathan or something But but anyway, he's been spending a lot of time in Saudi Arabia lately And so go I mean goes to your point about this sort of connection to the wider financial system is like, okay What are they lining up there?
Something is coming down the track but just to carry on with this so but the issue you've got of course is If you've got a system where the dollar is predominant in the world and transactions are chiefly priced in the dollar and therefore you've got a load of dollars, what do you do with it?
Well, you stick it into US treasuries and the US stock market and so on.
That all works very well all the time.
Everybody trusts the dollar is a reliable store of value.
No, I would argue it's a different trust.
On looking at that, you see frozen Russian assets.
Yes.
This is not just... What aspect of your trust are you picking up on there?
that you get your assets frozen.
Oh, yes.
This is far worse than having a bit of deflation or the currency going down a little bit.
This is 100% of your assets.
This is the most important point.
Yeah, and it was shocking to me when they did this, actually, And they can do it to anybody.
But the only smart thing the Americans did when they froze the Russian assets is they got the EU to do it as well.
So that there wasn't that rotation into the Euro.
Both of them suffered.
And if you take out the US and the Euro, there isn't really a sort of third-party transaction.
I mean, yeah, okay, maybe there's Yen and maybe Renminbi or something, but it was smarter of them to do it, to push the EU into doing this as well.
But yeah, so I mean, this is my sort of key point, is that trust in the system, because basically Russia's too big to sanction.
And especially when they're allied with China, it's like, OK, you're going to sanction the majority of the world's commodities, oil.
Oh, because Venezuela, that's sanctioned as well.
So, I mean, you take that whole block, it's no longer the West sanctioning these places, it's the West cutting themselves off from these places.
It's funny because Russia, and China, but particularly Russia, is incredibly resource-rich, obviously, I'm stating the obvious, everyone knows that, but incredibly resource-rich, so it's not like Venezuela, it's not like Germany, or Britain.
No, Venezuela's just oil-rich.
Well, oil-rich, but no, Russia's got everything, right?
Everything, rare metals, rare earth metals, everything, I don't think Venezuela's got everything it could possibly need, it's not like a, Russia's like, there's nothing Russia wants for, No, it has a ridiculous amount of commodities.
Ridiculous amount.
Right, so it's more like, exactly as you say, it's more like we're cutting ourselves off from them, rather than we're cutting them out.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's too big to sanction.
You're supposed to have taken that.
And what this kind of is leading to is, I mean, I speak this one particular story, but I mean, there are thousands like this.
Central banks are saying, maybe not so much to the dollar, maybe we can have a little bit more gold, And not only that, but they're moving it back again.
So gold is one of those funny things.
For years, it was heavily concentrated in just a couple of places, New York and London.
And the reason they did that is because you want that sort of surety that it hasn't been tampered with.
So you want just a couple of very high trust locations where the whole world believes, okay, these people are not going to drill into them and put titanium into them or do any other sort of funny stuff.
So it was focused around a couple of locations for a long time.
And not only are central banks buying more gold, they're sort of moving it to their own custody as well.
There's another issue about gold, especially for individuals, which is that most people, many people do not buy physical gold.
They buy an ETF or they buy a future.
And there's certainly been issues in the silver market about whether there really is enough silver to back these transactions because it's never really been tested.
Yeah, very questionable.
And of course, again, that's another issue of trust.
Yes, yes, quite.
Can I do a quick one-minute conspiracy theory corner?
Go on!
The idea that nobody's... I don't know if this is true, but the idea that no one's checked in Fort Knox for years and years and years to see if the bullion's actually still there.
I looked into that once, yeah.
So the last time... It might not be true, it might be like, no, they did it in like 2015 or something.
No, no, no, a bunch of senators got taken round in, I think, 74, and that was the last time.
Is that definitely true?
Because if that's definitely true, that is worrying, isn't it?
But what's the problem?
Just show us the bullion.
What's the problem guys?
Yeah.
Let's have a quick look.
Anyway.
And no president for a very long time has toured Fort Knox either.
So it's like super suspect something is going on there.
I think we've got another repository that's even bigger or supposed to be even bigger than Fort Knox.
I can't remember its name but somewhere else.
And again the same thing.
No one's actually seen.
Well if you're going into conspiracy theories I'd also say that I think The US is not only under-reporting its gold, I think China is dramatically under-reporting how much gold it's got.
Because you can see how much is moving through the Shanghai Exchange at any one time, and a lot of it's going to China.
Now yes, Chinese individuals do buy gold, but the volumes moving through and heading into China suggest that the Chinese reserves are significantly higher, and they might be waiting for the right... Significantly higher?
Oh, a lot higher.
So I'm sure whatever it is they claim that they've got is like 4,000.
I'm sure it's like five times that or something.
And they might be waiting for a moment of maximum dollar weakness to step in and say, oh, by the way, our currency is backed whatever 20% by gold or something.
I don't know what they're going to do, but there is definitely something going up with gold there.
Now, so, I'll just close this off by saying, even though it is not literally the case that the dollar system has ended, despite what you've seen on Twitter and social media.
Petrodollar.
Petrodollar.
Petrodollar has ended, as you might have seen over the past week or so.
Even though it's not literally true, it is directionally true.
And the reason I say that is because, ultimately, no matter what set of rules you have, It comes down to people who empower, who enforce or don't enforce those.
And what you're seeing is that basically the people in the world are losing respect for the US system.
So for those of you listening at home, I'm showing the ridiculous picture of Joe Biden fist bumping MBS.
The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia.
Now Biden, while he was running for his nomination, he called MBS a monstrosity.
He said he wanted to destroy him.
He made all sorts of inflammatory statements saying he was beyond the pale and all the rest of it.
And then he gets elected and he has to meet him but he refuses to shake his hand so he decides to do a fist bump instead.
Well no one's allowed to touch the Crown Prince.
You're not supposed to even fist bump him.
Well, funny you should say that.
Let's have a look at how another world leader is met.
I saw a clip of Trump walking past him and slapping him on the shoulder.
Yeah, that's another one.
So just look at the difference in the body length between the absurd... Oh, there we go.
They did shake hands, yeah.
That was a bit quick.
There we go.
But anyways, and you see the same thing with when Z goes to meet him, it is a warm, personal relationship, whereas, you know, Biden has failed on many fronts.
So yeah, don't worry, it is a little bit overstated, the petrodollar story, but it is directionally true nevertheless.
Well, say with Biden or the Biden administration and Saudi, If you take, for example, the relationship that the Bush family, George Bush Jr.
had with the Saudis, it was extremely, extremely close.
Yes.
Extremely close.
They were genuinely friends and stuff.
Yes.
And, of course, Obama and Biden are sort of fairly pro-Iran.
I mean, pro-Iran is a funny thing to say, but much more pro-Iran than Trump or George Bush or the others.
So you can see how, from the Saudis' point of view, they might not be particularly happy with Biden and Biden's administration.
Another thing that Biden did is...
You can get why they lock horns, at least politically.
Biden did a whole bunch of stuff.
He lifted the sanctions on the Houthis before the current thing blew up.
And he tore up Trump's deal to screw with the Iranian nuclear program.
Biden just tore that up.
The Saudis would hate that, right?
They would hate to see that.
Oh, there would be many insults levelled against them.
Many insults at this point.
But yes, so, broadly true, but the dollar unfortunately has a few days left, but it is going in that direction.
So, let's have a look at, um, Reforms Manifesto.
So, oh no, wrong, wrong sort of links.
Sorry.
No, not that one.
Right, let's have a look at Reforms Manifesto.
So, Bo, over to you.
Alright, so yesterday I looked at Labour's manifesto.
So I thought today we can look at Reforms Manifesto, because it only came out yesterday.
Or the Contracts, they're calling it.
Yes.
Because even the word manifesto is a bit red, isn't it?
Because there's so much quantitative easing in promises that the manifesto just no longer has any sort of credence to it.
Well, perhaps, yeah.
For some reason they're a bit more Bit more Rousseau-ian to call it a contract, perhaps.
But if we could go to page 5.
Could you scroll down on that for us, Samson?
Because, again, just like when I did Labour yesterday, I wanted to sort of concentrate or look at sort of migration and borders, because that's the thing we are interested mostly in, about, you know, that's the thing that's sort of destroying the fabric of our society, really.
So to begin with, it's pretty good.
There's a fair few things on there.
So freeze non-essential immigration.
They've got a four-point plan to stop the boats apparently, which is just sending them back to France.
Just saying we'll just turn them around.
I guess the Royal Navy or someone simply turn them around, send them back to France.
Yeah, thanks for zooming in on that.
So I'll read some of it.
Freeze non-essential immigration for those that aren't watching.
I'll read some.
Strict limits on immigration are the only way to relieve the pressure on our housing, public services and increased rate wages to protect our cultural identity and values.
Essential skills, mainly around health care, must be the only exception.
OK, stop the small boats, leave the European Convention on Human Rights just right there, you know, great, take it, none of the other big parties have actually explicitly said they will do that.
I've seen some lefties really kick up a fuss about leaving the ECHR, and they put up this list of things that the ECHR was supposed to do, and I think as you look at it, you're like, well, yeah, but you didn't protect us from any of those things during the lockdowns.
So right to free association, right to protest, right to free speech, right to family life, I mean, You didn't, the ECHR did not do anything on any of those.
So yeah, of course we've got to leave.
Well Dr David Starkey says we don't even need to leave it necessarily, we can just ignore it.
Well yeah, all that.
But anyway, it'd be nice to, seeing it's used to sort of screw with us, it'd be nice to leave it.
The contract goes on, zero illegal immigrants to be resettled in the UK, new Department of Immigration.
Um, to pick up illegal immigrants, um, out of the boats and take them back to France.
Uh, secure detention for all illegal immigrants.
That's nice.
Immediate deportation for foreign criminals.
Why that isn't just... I've got a funny story on that one.
Okay.
Right, so, um, whenever it was, about sort of 18 months ago, I was kicked out of a form, so I was the candidate for, as you know, the candidate for Winchester.
And they found an old tweet of mine that said we should deport foreign criminals.
And that is now literally on page three of their manifesto.
So I am on the reform train.
I think it's what we need, but...
I was kicked out for exactly that.
Should I talk just a little bit about this?
Yeah, go ahead.
So I'm actually, obviously, I gave my shares up in the Brexit party.
I didn't get sacked, kicked out, or anything like that.
That is what has been portrayed.
But I owned it, I had it, and I gave it in a trust.
To Nigel.
I am now supporting the reform because they are the best we have.
But my leaflet is much stronger than that.
And I see that as quite weak.
Now let's clarify a couple of things.
Net zero is not enough.
And the reason it is not enough are two reasons.
Number one, if we import a million illiterate Afghanis, just as an example, although it's a little bit inflammatory, but just supposing we imported them, and we export a million AI experts, The one we're exporting a lot of is trained doctors.
So we export these people, but it's more than that.
It's not just the fact that we've got a different group of people, it is that we've issued another million passports.
So the net pool, and this is a little bit like dollars across the world being held in foreign countries, The million who leave, like my ex-husband who now lives in Kathmandu, are still eligible at any point, with just a flight back, to come back and claim Social Security and the NHS, which is what they do do.
Right.
Nobody makes this point.
Nobody makes the point that this is not about immigration.
It is about citizenship and passports and visas.
The other thing to comment about this is about citizenship.
If we had not issued all those passports, the problems that we now face in Bradford and Luton would not exist because they would have been on work visas.
And another point is, so I'm married to a Jamaican now and I have two half-Nepalese children.
We have a multi-racial family but we don't have a multicultural family.
Three people in my family are eligible for two passports.
The only person who isn't eligible for two passports is the native mug, me.
This is really important because what it means is that first of all my ex-husband is able to bring in another wife and she would get a passport and then she could get divorced and then she could bring in another husband.
Now this sort of chain migration happens a lot in the Pakistani community of chain migration of marriages but Even if we were looking at equal people, we have increased the pool of passports and eligibility to use the NHS.
So I go and live in Beckway in the Caribbean and I have a heart, I need cancer surgery or whatever.
And I come back and use the NHS.
So that's the first point.
The second point is that, in my opinion, we do not have a housing crisis or an NHS crisis.
We have a people crisis.
And that includes, I don't even think we have a sewage crisis.
We have a poop Well, the native born population is declining, not raising, and therefore if you got rid of the immigration aspect, well, I still think there's an argument for some new houses, but it's certainly not going to be anywhere near the level we're at now.
Let's put it this way, if we had no new immigration, We had spouses on visas and everybody who came in was on a two-year visa that had to be renewed, which is what happens in all Asian countries.
China issues less passports in a year than we issue in about half an hour.
Oh, I can believe that.
The point is that they come in and if I'm still married to this person, I'm on this visa.
If I still have a job, I'm on the visa.
But as soon as my job disappears, I go home.
Germany used to run that system for a very long time.
It meant that passports were by your parents and your grandparents, not by your place of birth.
The second point about this is that if we actually got migration down to zero, not to net zero, we would then have 300,000 people who would leave and we would reduce the population we would then have 300,000 people who would leave and we would reduce the population by 300,000 So this is not about net zero, this is about gross numbers and this net is so misleading.
Yes, I mean, I like the fact that these are the only people who are even close to this.
So as a direction of travel, I'm very happy with this.
But yeah, for the people sat around this table, this does not go nearly far.
They want to set up a Department of Immigration.
It should be a Department of Remigration.
Well, it's the Department of Skills Required or something.
But the other point, let's go on to the second part.
The second part about the boat people.
Oh yes.
The boat people are the tip of the illegal immigrants in this country.
They're the ones that get all the publicity, the 30,000 because they have hotels.
But that number is tiny compared to...
The sewage and food surveys suggest we have 90 million people in this country, not 67.
I'm going to ask you two a question since you're in politics.
How many people do you think were issued, foreign nationals, were issued visas in 2023?
Total number.
In the hundreds of thousands?
It's got to be over a million, isn't it?
What is it?
Right, so we've got two numbers here.
We've got three numbers.
The number that the Reform Party, and good for them for talking about it, or we hear in the Telegraph, is net migration.
Permanent residents coming who are net, that was 700,000.
The gross number was over a million because 300 left, but there's another number and not a single person has talked about this.
The total number of visas issued to anybody for whatever reason, visitor visas, that could be your aunt coming from Australia, but it can also be your uncle coming from Pakistan.
Yeah.
3.3 million up 58% in a single year and overstaying a visitor visa or overstaying a student visa are the easiest ways to get here Far easier than on a boat.
So that's a really good point because a lot of people think the illegal migration is people turning up on boats.
Actually no, most of the time it's people turning up through an airport.
Oh I'm here for a wedding and then I'm going to go in two weeks.
But they don't go.
So yeah, I mean I also agree that this is not strong enough.
I'm happy for it.
It's the best thing we've got.
And I've seen some tweets of yours, Catherine, saying let's get on the Niage train, and I agree with that angle, that take for this election.
But still, and I'm happy to see this because it's so much stronger than anything else out there, but it's still not strong enough.
It's weak to us.
I mean, I've gone on record as saying I want mass re-migration.
Mass, mass re-migration.
And that involves something you said about, it's not just about sort of putting them on a plane and sending them home, you'd have to sort of strip them of the citizenship that they not really deserve.
But the other thing that people don't talk about is how many people are eligible for two passports in this country.
Now, you see, I keep on about this and the reason I know about this is because I've had foreign husbands.
And we've had to go to Croydon or whatever.
And my brother-in-law came to the UK on a visitor's visa.
For six months.
And he stayed with us for a time.
And after a while, I said to my husband, who's Nepalese, what happened to him?
And he said, ah, well, he's gone to Glasgow to work for some Indian who is doing furniture, which has come from the charity sector and they're reselling on, earning four pounds an hour, living in an illegal squat.
And then sometime after that, I said, so what's happened to him?
Ah, well, he's got a British passport.
And this was very quickly afterwards, within a couple of years.
And I said, how did he do that?
You know, this is my country.
I invited him, by the way, OK?
This was the first time, it was about 2014, and I wrote to the Home Office about it because I was annoyed.
Because there was a real flippancy.
Well, what did you do?
You just wrote a letter.
Well, what does it matter to you?
So what he did was he was a Sherpa from the Himalayas.
They're an ethnic group.
They're not a job.
They have Tibetan origin.
They have Tibetan language, Tibetan faces, Tibetan names, but their language is not Tibetan.
It's got about a 50% overlap and a simple language test Would say, no, this person is not Tibetan.
They're Sherpa and they're politically Nepalese.
He threw his passport away.
Some other bright spark had worked out how you do this.
And he went to the passport office in Liverpool and claimed asylum as a Tibetan and Tibet's, you know, good country to claim asylum from.
Hey ho, we've got it.
So once one person does that and they don't check anything then everybody does that.
I've got a similar story on this actually.
I mean when I was in my business years we were doing something with an Indian firm and the CEO of that company was coming over here and in order to get his visa for sort of temporary visa I mean I needed to write him a letter to say yeah actually there was a business need for this person to come in.
So I wrote this letter to the Home Office where I basically said we need this guy for about two to three weeks.
And sent that off and he came in and when he got here he showed me his passport and he'd been given indefinite leave to remain.
So he could stay here for his entire... But then he will get a British passport as well after that.
With full citizenship.
Now in this case he did go back after three weeks because he had something to be doing in India but without even being asked they just gave him indefinite leave to remain and like you say that could easily be turned into... So they have been maximising immigration for years.
This is the other problem with even Cameron's points system, and this is what it doesn't say in this, and I know, and again, I am supporting reform, I will keep repeating that, I have decided because they are the best we've got.
But the points system relies on a number of things to get these visas and indefinite leave to remain.
Number one, it needs a language test.
We have seen 59,000 people went through a language meal place where they were being faked.
Number two, we've got Asian document factories that can produce documents saying you are a doctor, you are this or you worked at the University of Ogadugu as a research specialist.
And number three, we have bank accounts where you literally get somebody to put 20,000 in for a few weeks and you take it out.
I don't see why we give any passports to anyone who doesn't have English parents.
I mean, at least one English parent.
Because you can just give people, like you say, a two to five year thing.
Let's say you're marrying somebody.
OK, fine.
You get given a five year stamp on your passport or something.
And at the end of the five years, you go and see somebody, are you still married?
In many countries it's annually.
Lots of marriages don't last that long.
And especially if they're illegal ones.
This, this, so you know this is a start.
I have talked about passports before and not a single person, politician in this country has talked about passports.
As passports being the key.
Now let's go quickly because we will run out of time.
Yeah.
Second part, eligibility.
Eligibility often goes back to grandparents and we've had relatively new immigration here.
So if we got on top of this right now Even the people who are 60 have got grandparents.
We could get this dual nationality issue under control which is important for the deportation of foreign criminals because you can't deport them without having somewhere to send them and they need another passport and so my manifesto is saying that we in turn illegals
And we, no phones, no internets until it focuses their mind, until they tell us where they come from, and then we will go to that country and say, right, issue this person a passport and now you're on a plane.
And that's the process that actually physically needs to be done.
Hmm.
Nice.
Based.
I like that idea.
Very, very good.
So if I carry on with this, the idea that we don't just deport foreign criminals, foreign nationals that have done any sort of crime, immediately at the end of their sentence is absolutely bizarre.
My view is we never sentence them.
Sorry, we sentence them.
Why do we keep them at £60,000 to £80,000 a year in our country?
So say convict them and then and at that point deport them to their country of origin?
Of course!
Yes!
We don't want to keep them in jails!
Student dependence and health tourism reforms talking about all these things and the tax implications for example.
There's all sorts of details there about just making it a bit more difficult.
It's a start, it's a beginning.
It's much, much, much stronger than any of the other main parties.
That's my thing with all of this.
It's crazy that we're not doing all of this already.
And obviously it's less far than the three of us would want, but it's still a massive improvement.
One point I do feel would be remiss to skate over is the possibility that someone further to the right than Rafaun say that this is, you know, this might be a Maloney type thing.
Is that, you know, can you necessarily, is it a bit of a honey trap?
Can you really trust, I'd like your input on this, can you really trust Nigel?
If he was, let's just say he clicked our fingers and he was Prime Minister in three weeks time, would he actually do all these things?
Or are these just... Oh no, I think Nigel would do these things.
You know the man, right?
Yeah, I think he's more right wing than you think.
I think Nigel Nigel has done something nobody else can do, which is he doesn't get banned from mainstream media.
And everybody else gets banned.
I mean, I'm banned.
You know, so if you're banned, you have nowhere to go.
So Nigel has played a very long game and a very careful game and you have to give him great credit for that.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Can we move on to, because we've used up a fair bit of time, can we move down to page 24 which was the other sort of important bit I was most interested in.
It was just talking about culture and values and identity and things.
There's a whole bunch in there which is just great as far as I'm concerned.
The reaffirmation of British sovereignty.
I'm sure you'll like the one on the right.
Yeah, a lot of English nationalists don't really like the British thing, and I get that.
But still, anyway, it's reform.
They don't like me criticising anything Scottish, even if it's tongue-in-cheek.
But there you go.
Replace the 2010 Equalities Act.
Just that!
Brilliant, right?
Imagine getting a free comprehensive free speech bill.
- Yeah, but yeah, it isn't reasonable. - Imagine getting, oh yeah, replace actually, now you mention it.
It'd be nice if it was just scrap.
But imagine if you got Labour, Tory or Lib Dems saying something like that.
You just almost couldn't really imagine it, could you?
A free comprehensive free speech bill.
A free speech bill.
Yeah, no more debanking, cancel culture.
Stop sharia law being used in the UK, full stop.
Just that as a sentence.
I mean, come on, if you can't get behind this for the next few weeks and turn out on voting day and tick reform, then what are you doing?
Just that alone.
Because Kevin, you've actually made quite a brave stance on this.
You've said that, because you're standing in great Myanmar, you're saying people don't vote for me, vote for reform.
I'm the only person who's done it as well.
Remarkable things.
It's a bit of a mess.
I've actually texted Nigel this morning and said, you know, you've got the ex-reform guy in Clacton now standing against you.
You know, this is nonsense.
If you lose by 100 votes, you will be kicking yourself.
I mean, you need to call up Robin Tilbert, head of the English Democrats, the head of the S&P, the head of UKIP, the head of Heritage, who between them are putting up 100 seats.
1,000 votes each and some of these elections are going to be so tight.
There are going to be recounts and recounts in places like Great Yarmouth.
They're going to be within one or two percent.
The permutations can be different.
It can be Liberal, Democrat, it can be Conservatives, it can be Labour, but you need to get a stance to call all these people to do what I did this morning and say, Don't vote, and get David Kirshen and Robin Tilbrook to say, do not vote for us, please.
I don't want you to vote for us.
Make a big, big BBC statement on this.
And he needs, Nigel is the person who needs to do that.
The BBC won't let you on to make that statement.
Obviously, Bo and I have got our issues with the reform, considering that we're both candidates.
We were just far too based for them, far too early.
And I don't want to speak for you, Bo.
I mean, you say what you think.
But I'm happy at this point just to say, yeah, I'm backing reform.
I'm voting.
Oh yeah, I'm not particularly bitter.
And I'm not bitter either.
I think it's the best we have.
And I accept Nigel's amazing value, amazing ability to push through, to keep at it for 30 years.
You know he is the man at the moment and we have to support him.
I just genuinely want what is best for Britain or rather more specifically whatever moves the Overton window, whatever breaks that paradigm of the two-party system, whatever does that is much much more important than me and my vanity.
Right now it's Nigel.
OK, right now it's Reformer Nigel.
So I'm banging the drum for that, unapologetically.
And yeah, it might be, you know, it might be we turn out with Hoodwinked and he's Prime Minister in 2029 and he's much, much weaker.
I know what you've just said.
Unfortunately, that is a possibility.
But right now, I mean, just to scrap in the BBC fee, making St George and St David's Day a national holiday, you know, just these...
So again, I would change that.
I wouldn't just scrap, I mean, I'd scrap the entire BBC, with the exception of BBC Pigeon.
I want to keep that.
For the lulls?
Yes.
Yeah.
No, the Royal Charter, every now and again, the Tories, you remember, every now and again, once in a blue moon, they threaten that they might think about revoking the Royal Charter for the BBC.
And then they've got no intention of ever doing any such thing.
So anyway, yeah, just a party that, even if it is just on paper, even if they're just paying lip service to the idea... But it moves the conversation at least.
I'll take it.
Yeah, right, I'll take it.
Because there was a time you just couldn't even talk about stopping immigration, let alone re-migration.
Yeah.
And now it is just, it's up there, it's in the conversation.
Yeah.
So yeah, that dragging of the Overton window to the right, finally!
Finally, that's what it does.
One of the things I don't know whether it says in here is about the complete reform of the voting system.
Have you seen anything that says that?
Yeah, there is a bit.
It's further up, Samson, if you want to try and scroll up a bit.
Because it's really important because I'll tell you, I'll see what they say and then I'll add it.
Yeah, constitution that bit.
Yeah, but this isn't about postal votes, it's about something much, much more serious that nobody seems to know about.
PR for the House of Commons, is that what you're referring to?
No, no, no.
Do you know that out of the 3.3 million people who came, including the Indians and their dependents, who might have come on six month visas as students, so we're not talking about them having eligibility to a passport or that issue, They have a right to vote.
57 countries from the Commonwealth, plus Zimbabwe that isn't even in the Commonwealth, plus Ireland which we have a reciprocal agreement, can vote in our elections.
These are people who, so out of that just last year's intake, it's 250,000 Indians, 250,000 Nigerians, 150,000 Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, and the list goes on.
This is something I didn't know about until a week ago.
GB News did a little slot on it.
It's unbelievable.
So wait, Rishi Sunak could still win just by sending a load of postal votes to India?
No.
These are people who are in the country, who've come in on student visas, who are not British citizens but come from the Commonwealth.
They are eligible to vote in this election.
Millions of them.
Well, that's bonkers.
Well, it's complete bonkers, but if these are tied elections, as Stalin said, it's not about who wins, but who counts the votes, or who issues the papers to vote.
I mean, this is just 57 countries' nationals who are not British citizens are allowed to vote in this election.
And do you think they're going to vote for an anti-migration party?
No, of course not.
No, I mean, all these sorts of things that we've had our system subverted in all sorts of ways, it's sort of unparalleled.
I can't think of many other examples, or any other examples, in history, certainly modern history, where this sort of thing has been perpetrated against a native population entirely against its will.
Um, in plain sight as well.
Um, it's... Well, especially when those people are supposed to be in power.
I mean, there have been obviously examples where there have been great imports of people come in, but where there was another force in power.
They normally have to conquer you first.
Yes!
Yes.
Whereas we've just kind of been covertly conquered.
Yeah.
But I mean, there's a point.
It's like, They call us sort of right wing but you appreciate that like 99.9% of everybody through history would be considered radically to the right of us.
Can you imagine going back to ancient Sparta and saying okay well we're going to take all of these Persians and we're going to stick them in your town and they're not going to work and then you're going to have to pay for them to live.
It's like there would be immediate violence.
And I give the example, and the interesting thing is most of the people I know who are immigrants, who come from Jamaica or Nepal, get it instantly.
If I said, OK, so how about we import six million Chinese into Nepal, what do you think?
Or let's import half a million Ukrainians into Jamaica.
They get it.
They instantly get it.
And don't you dare even furrow your brow, let alone express a single word of dissent.
And if you do express a word of dissent, and you put it on a sticker, we will put you in jail and take your children from you.
No, the fact is, the vast majority of all civilisations throughout all history, we would describe as ultra-conservative ethnonats.
That's the law throughout all of history.
You and me would be sort of bleeding heart liberals throughout almost all of history.
I mean, you look at pre-industrial Japan, for example, you just simply weren't allowed to go there.
This is the land of Nippon.
This is the land for the Japanese.
You're not Japanese.
You leave immediately.
In fact, we're not going to give you that option.
You will be executed for being here.
You are not allowed to be here because you are not one of us.
You might have one port area and you're allowed there.
Right, yeah, we'll allow a handful of Dutch, maybe, perhaps, for a while, and we'll think about that.
So, OK, so, yeah, I mean, we have to move on from the Reform Manifesto, but I would, er, contract, I would advise that people, if anyone's even remotely interested, do just Google it and read it for yourself.
There's lots of tweets out there.
In fact, Samson, can you put up that tweet?
The only thing I would say, if you are going to download the Reform Manifesto, given where we've been in politics for the last 20, 30 years, make sure your underwear is on the pill before you read the Reform Manifesto, because it is such a breath of fresh air.
That is an earlier tweet, because I did put Rupert Lowe in there, who is the candidate for Great Yarmouth.
Yeah.
So I thought, just as we move, transition into the next segment.
As we've already said, Cole tweeted a very small segment saying, look, because Cole's got issues with Nigel.
It's because of Cole that I, that I, he influenced me.
Right.
I mean, he influenced me to change my mind.
I saw that and I thought this is absolutely bonkers.
And so, you know, I just did it without consultation because that's who I am.
I just did it, you know.
And I hope other people will do it.
I mean, I really hope that other small party candidates will do it for the sake of the country.
Well, I hope so too.
As I said earlier, I mentioned my vanity or ambition or something.
I do fear that there's all sorts of people in the smaller parties that aren't necessarily going to be able to swallow their pride, so to speak.
There are some personalities out there.
Yeah.
I know, for example, I don't want to cause any issues, but someone like Lawrence Fox, for example, whether he would or could...
No, he hasn't got any candidates.
No, no, I wasn't going to say that.
Oh, but he's done the right thing.
I've seen him have a bit of a spat with Tice before on Twitter, whether he can sort of put that aside now and get behind Nigel.
I don't want to sing about Lawrence Fox, this isn't about Lawrence Fox.
He isn't standing any candidates, so he's already... What do you make of Tice, by the way?
I think it's not the time to comment on that.
Right.
Okay.
I think the same thing about it.
We read you.
So anyway, Carl just posted a little thing saying about message discipline.
Look, you know, because Carl, and I don't think Nigel particularly likes Carl for the UKIP era stuff, but Carl's got the same now, at least anyway, got the same opinion as me.
It's just it's just time to get on the knowledge train.
Yeah.
At least until the election and then when the election is over then we can start putting scrutiny on and pressure from the right.
Well I'll just say in my leaflet I mean I just thought well you know I've got nothing to lose here because you know Hope Not Hate thinks that I'm just some you know Off the wall, Genghis Khan, who's going to kill my own family, obviously.
And so I just thought, well, you know, we might as well talk about some of the stuff that's going on.
And the three examples that I used on my leaflet, apart from the other stuff we've already talked, were one, the woman on Bournemouth Beach.
Do you remember her?
It's only a few weeks ago.
I mean, she was at 7.30 at night, nice warm summer's day.
She was murdered to death, stabbed to death.
She was a lesbian.
I don't know whether she was with her wife, but she probably was.
And I asked, so why was she killed?
And there's got almost no publicity.
The guy was somebody with a name that you can imagine comes from Croydon, 20 something.
The suspect?
The next one I have put, which I think is as scandalous, is the £57 million of benefit fraud from the Bulgarian Universal Credit gang.
Have you heard about this one?
Now this one in some ways is even worse because you know it was the Bulgarian mayor who caught him, not the British.
Because all the Lamborghinis were turning up.
But the guy, the lynchpin, gets seven years.
And I wrote on my, if an average wage person in Great Yarmouth, which is the average salary of the UK, paid tax and national insurance without spending a penny, it would take him 3,000 years to earn 57 million.
That's assuming you live on nothing.
And then the third one was there's yet another grooming gang I think in Rotherham which was in the Daily Mail.
These are all June things I've put on my leaflet which one of the inspectors they were under 13 said this is just so horrible it's one of the worst cases I've ever seen in the depravity.
Well there's a video doing the rounds on Twitter today which is you know one of these immigrant types goes onto a bus and literally tries to steal a little girl off her mother and run off with her.
And luckily enough people on the bus sort of stepped in and intervened, but apparently we're just supposed to live like this?
We're just supposed to live in a country where our children can be literally stolen from us by, you know, Ali al-Khabab or whatever his name is.
It's the money as well.
It's just bankrupting us.
I mean, literally, you know, and the housing.
And the literal, I mean, in Great Yarmouth there are, there was a guy had his ear chopped off in the street, there are cigarette gangs, there were fire bombings, there are prostitution gangs, drug gangs, asbestos gangs, illegal immigration gangs, and goes on and on, universal credit scams, the scam gangs go on.
But you can also get a wide range of curry then, can't you?
Well, there's not actually that many in Great Yarmouth, but it's asylum seekers being dumped and stuff like that.
It's horrible.
It's a terrible, terrible thing.
You shouldn't make light of it in any way.
And it's rubbish.
I know that this is a silly sort of thing, and people are like, oh, you know, you're conservative and you go on about rubbish, but Rubbish drives people nuts, the filth and the dirt on the streets and it's so symptomatic of the change that's happened.
And there was an interesting thing when UKIP was in its, at one point when it wasn't doing well, the rubbish party stood candidates in three or four council seats on just one issue.
Rubbish!
It's funny how also the the lefty globalist types just sort of refuse to admit that.
I had a tiny spat with some people on Twitter a few weeks ago about how disgusting and dirty Whitechapel is, specifically Whitechapel, and they just say no it isn't and you post pictures of it it's just evidence and they're like no no no that's a market it's to do with the market all markets generate loads of rubbish like okay well here's a picture where it's not on a market day and not at the market and they're like no no it's not happening it's like It's madness!
There is a fun game that you can play.
What you do is you go on Google Maps and you select that little thing, pin, where it drops down so you see the street view.
Hover over India and then just close your eyes and just drop it randomly somewhere and I guarantee you will find a big pile of rubbish when you look around.
I've done it, I did it and I like three times, three times in a row I came down staring at a big pile of rubbish.
This is a cultural issue that is common.
I mean, Singapore had Lee Kuan Yew and Singapore had a big, big problem.
It was so bad that the sailors used to say that you could smell Singapore and they used to spit everywhere and the first thing that Lee Kuan Yew did was, you know, this sort of clamp down on these minor infringements and you get things under control before you get the bigger ones.
It's no spitting and no rubbish shopping.
You know, you could start there.
If you started with the rubbish in the streets that I've just been down in this town, you started with this rubbish, you would find the illegals on the way as well.
And you would sign the benefit frauds and the voter frauds and you would start on the other stuff.
So start with the rubbish infringements.
Well of course the councils are sort of unfortunately largely captured aren't they?
And they're the ones where there's some sort of inertia where they don't care.
Well, and now we have a point where public services simply can't, haven't got any resources to do anything, even if they want to.
You mentioned the woman on Bournemouth Beach there.
Of course, the examples of these crimes are kind of endless.
You know, Charlene Downs and Emily Jones spring to mind.
But there's just an endless number of murders where you're just not, they don't want you to remember it.
They don't want their names to be out there.
Don't ever speak about it.
I went on to knife crime in a week.
And none of this was reported nationally.
And I had to go on to each local newspaper.
And I didn't do everybody.
I just did Manchester, you know, Liverpool, and there was one in Croydon or somewhere, and I just went, and the list just carried on and on and on and on.
And I did a cursory thing for five minutes, and I found 25 knife crime events, some of them very serious.
Yeah, no, of course.
And they're not even...
I mean, the ones in a blue moon, even those names I mentioned, because they're the most famous, I mean, someone like Lee Rigby, for example.
Shh!
sentenced.
I mean, the guy who went into the Jewish supermarket waving a knife and he didn't actually kill anybody, but he was just let off with a suspended sentence.
Yeah, I've tried doing that in any other country in the world.
You'd be deported.
Too smart.
But we must recognise Eid, though.
That's important.
Oh, the Conservatives have been quick to do that, haven't they?
Yeah, yeah.
And, er... I'm so looking forward to zero seats.
And it might actually happen now as well.
Well, I am actually hoping that Nigel can win, you know, a good five, ten seats.
I see realistic polls saying maybe seven.
Nigel needs to and he's not going to and this is so sad.
He needs to go and say he needs to make some calls to the other parties and make a public statement that he's got agreement from the other and ask voters not to vote for these minor candidates.
Unite the right.
And he's unfortunately I don't think he's going to.
No, I don't think he's going to either.
OK, let's end that segment there and move on to basically talking about exactly the same thing.
Just more of the same.
That's a great line.
I've got a bit of an introduction because we've been talking about the various manifestos.
One that American viewers may not be familiar with is this character.
So this is Count Binface, one of the most intriguing characters in British politics.
Do we know actually who the chap is?
Yeah, it's Count Binface.
No, the real guy.
He is Count Binface.
He's probably called himself that.
He's actually changed his name by depol to... I don't know the man... I don't know the origin story, the sort of Marvel movie that sort of, you know, sets up the character.
His costume gets more and more elaborate.
It's quite impressive at this point.
But anyway, this is the guy who always stands in the most high-profile seat, so presumably standing in Richmond against It's usually wherever the PM is, right?
Yeah, so he's standing in Richmond.
Now, his manifesto I quite liked, actually.
I had a look at it this morning.
It was... I hope it's about rubbish!
No.
Oh, look, his real name's Jonathan David Harvey.
Oh, there we go.
Oh, right, OK.
So he does have an origin story.
So anyway, his manifesto... National service to be introduced for all former Prime Ministers.
I like that.
We've got quite a collection of them at the moment, haven't we?
Yeah.
It's usually only two or three alive at any given moment, but like, what, seven of them?
Yeah, conscript them all.
Conscript them all and send them to Ukraine or something.
Yeah.
Like, there you go.
Um, all water bosses to take a dip in British rivers.
I quite like that, Iran.
And, um, reintroduction of CFAX and 99p flake should cost 99p.
So anyway...
So he's got some good stuff, but we have got two former candidates for Parliament in the studio and one current candidate, even though you are saying, don't vote for me, vote for reform, which is a bold thing for Linguistic Democrats to do.
So I thought we could talk about what we would do if we unexpectedly found ourselves in Parliament.
What would our manifesto be?
What should be done?
Do you want to start on that, Catherine?
What should be done?
Yeah.
You see, I think that, and I don't want to just criticise reform because we've said, you know, they're the best we've got, but they have issued an economic policy that I just think is, make a paper aeroplane out of it, because it's to the right of Liz Truss and it's just not doable.
And my view is that you would leave economics out of it.
And the reason you would leave economics and you'd keep the status quo where you are as far as economics but you would if you get the immigration stuff and you get the crime stuff and you get the fraud under control and you get the numbers down lots of these issues like rents and housing and NHS would start to take
Take care of themselves and we have a you know, I suppose you could argue we have a bit higher tax rate, but you know things like putting two in the reform manifesto a two million inheritance tax band.
Yeah, they should make it five.
And raise it by the rate of Bitcoin growth.
But you know, how many people, it's teeny percentages and you need people who haven't got houses to be voting for you and who can't afford houses.
So, you know, we've talked about, for me it all goes back to immigration, immigration, immigration.
And it goes also, then the other thing that hasn't been mentioned is this mega problem with the civil service.
Yes.
There are a lot of structural problems to address first.
And actually, that was my take on the Reform Manifesto as well, because I've just done a bit of economics on looking at the Labour one and the Reform one, and what I was saying on the economic stuff is, let's say I suddenly found myself in Parliament tomorrow, and they came to me and said, Dan, you've got a finance background, do you want to do Chancellor?
I would actually say no, give me either Energy or Agriculture.
And the reason being is there are so many ways for the money men to hurt you if you don't play along.
Well, I would try to keep... One of the things I remember about the NHS when I was talking to people working in it a while ago, a few elections, was there's just change after change after change after change.
If you look at the Conservatives and Labour, it's change after change after change.
It's like, okay, Keep, just don't do anything.
Keep it stable.
That's what we need to do.
I think my point on that is more that there are so many ways for the money men to hurt you if you don't play along with the globalist agenda.
What you need is a little bit of, you need a bit of security.
You need energy security and food security first and we don't have it.
I think we import something like 48% of our food Our energy is something like a third every day we have to import, normally from French nuclear reactors.
So we don't have the basic security in order to then go against whatever the globalist agenda is, which is obviously at the moment run a big deficit, you know, spend all this money, don't cut taxes, have massive immigration.
There are certain things we need to get in line quite quickly before we come to solving all of the sort of downstream effects with the financial stuff.
Well, if it was up to me, I'd do away with it entirely.
I was just a state-sponsored theifter, so I was unconcerned.
The idea of it in the first instance was to stop giant families hoarding wealth on a sort of national level back in the 18th, 19th century.
We don't really live in that world anymore.
There is one guy who's exempt from it.
Charles.
He was exempt for whatever reason.
They decided, OK, we're not going to apply.
The Duchy of Lancaster is probably exempt, yeah.
But I was interested in what you guys think about, you know what happened to Liz Truss?
What was the body that just told her her fiscal plan just could not be?
OBR?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do away with that!
We don't need that, we haven't had that for all that long.
Do away with that.
And what about the idea of, you know, it's this Blairite or Brownite thing that the best thing to do is have the Bank of England be independent and it independently sets its interest rates rather than the Treasury do it.
I thought we could do away with that as well, yeah.
Surely it's better to have... I wouldn't do any of these things, OK?
I wouldn't do any of it.
I'll tell you why.
Because you need a 10 to 20 year plan and you cannot start doing this stuff.
You need to start doing small scale stuff at the bottom, i.e.
council houses for English or British nationals.
At the moment, 58% or something of social housing goes to foreign nationals.
I would keep stability.
Most people who we need on our side of the argument to win, who are what Lady Nugi, you know Emily Thornberry, called White Van Man, are not paying inheritance tax or paying almost no inheritance tax and their sons and daughters can't afford to buy a house.
So they're not going to have any inheritance tax.
This is diverting away from the problem.
The issue I have with Nigel's economic policy is that you must get white van man and you must get people living in council houses and you must get the working class to vote for you to have enough people because we've got enough rich liberals who are not going to hate us.
We must get those people and we have to offer those people something.
The tax under 20,000 if you can do it
It's doable but it is a good thing but the rest of it is like a rich boys millionaires club and Nigel has a bit of that problem already you know I would you don't want the thing that's become problematic is the enormous inequality in and I'm not a socialist but it's moved to the point where housing is going to cause a revolution.
My daughter is a junior doctor.
She's living five to an ex-council house as a junior doctor doing 17-hour shifts.
When she started to go on strike, I've never been in favour of unions or strikes.
Why should somebody who is on benefits in Westminster be on a taxable basis when they are getting £30,000 in housing benefit before tax?
Why should she be earning less than even an electrician?
And while your daughter is driving back to her shared council house, or whatever you said it was, four other people... Five!
Five other people.
She's having to drive past... Because she is in Winchester where houses are... Oh, Winchester's nice, yeah.
Very nice, but she can't afford to live.
She'll end up living in a campervan.
Yeah, but she has to drive past people who are given council houses who just turned up yesterday from, you know, wherever.
We have had Afghan families given £2 million houses in Clerkenwell.
Housing is going to cause a revolution.
Rents are going to cause a revolution.
That's why young people are turning left.
Let's stop talking about bloody inheritance rights.
Inheritance rights isn't that important.
It isn't.
And nor is what Liz Truss did, all the fiscal stuff.
And, you know, this is for me, is where this reform manifesto is going wrong.
There's only one party, and by the way, Marine Le Pen is right-wing socially, she's more left-wing economically.
There's only one party that has a more left-wing political, economic political agenda in this party, which is the Social Democrat Party.
Which nobody's heard of.
I presume William Clouston is what Nigel would say, low energy or something.
But you know, there's issues about who gets housing.
Housing, housing, housing, housing.
So what would be your top five policies then?
If this segment is all about what we do, what's your top five?
Number one, passport issuance.
Okay.
Number two, visas and immigration per se, which we discussed.
I mean, they're different because they're not the same.
Yeah, because passports is downstream five years and dual nationality.
Yeah, they're not the same.
Those are two.
Number three would be dealing with housing and particularly public housing, which has to go to people whose families have been here for millennia.
Well, the entire welfare system should be, you know, dependent on having a native-born grandparent.
I mean, one thing I would say... Yes, and of course we went through the foreign criminals, but also, I mean, you know, I want Banff, Sharia, and I, sorry, I hate the burqa.
I hate it.
I hate it with... I'm a feminist, not a radical one, but I believe, you know, I'm here, I'm a woman, and I hate it.
Even a Muslim country, Turkey, bans the headscarf in government buildings and banks and public places.
One thing I wanted to ask you about, Cathy, is I don't disagree with anything you said about housing is more important than... It's time, it's downstream.
You know, what we do now, and if we got it literally today, and then there's what we would like to do, of course I think immigration... But my concern is, We look at the example of how they got Liz Truss.
So Liz Truss might have had this great program, exactly the same as what you're saying she might have, she didn't, but anyway.
She might have had all these grand ideas, this 20-year plan, and she didn't get to do any of it because she got cued by these small cabals in Whitehall.
That's why I'm saying you need to get certain ducks in a row.
You've got to make sure that doesn't happen to you first.
You've got to get certain ducks in a row before you can go after the big money.
Nigel would have the same problem.
I'm sure he will.
His is Liz Trust x3.
He's got more unfunded stuff in here.
Yeah, and there will be a globalist coup.
Let's say he unexpectedly won this election.
He would find that the Bank of England would start taking actions and the rest of them would start taking actions to ensure that there was some sort of bond crisis.
They would try and mistrust him.
My thinking is, or my worry is, is that you could get into government and you could have a 20-year plan and then you just, you get mistrust.
So I imagine that You have to deal with that first and foremost with these these groups.
But the fragility has been built into the system because you know like I said we're getting whatever it is like 48% of our food from abroad we're getting a third of our energy from abroad so the system has been built in a way is that if you start to deviate even a little bit from what you're supposed to do sort of the sort of globalist approach that all the all the sort of developed nations are doing It is so easy for them to tweak something here and something there and cause a crisis to try and force you out.
Well, one of the big problems that we would face is that we can't get anybody to administer anything.
Because the civil service, almost to a man and a woman, is so left-wing.
And the other issue is the judiciary.
So Tony Blair changed the judiciary, which meant that if you did not vouch for equality and diversity, you never became a High Court judge or a judge at all.
So we saw, even in the Jamaican deportation flight that was about three years ago, where a Jamaican, they were all non-British nationals, and one of them had killed a child, the Home Office and the lawyers stopped that deportation because he hadn't been given a mobile phone's SIM card and his human rights had been offended.
So, the issue is that, you know, I think you would need to take action in the way that Ronald Reagan did with the air traffic controllers.
Which is to say, if you don't administer this, we're going to fire the lot of you.
I wouldn't attempt to reform the Civil Service, I'd just set up a new one.
Well, that's one of the things Reformers said, to make a new department to do, and they've been saying this for quite a while, actually, and staff it with just new people, what they've termed true believers, whatever that means.
Take Osborne House, a couple of hundred of sensible people, and form a new civil service and grow it from there, and then just shut down the existing one.
The other thing that Reform has to do, and it hasn't done, and I think it's a big problem, is it doesn't have the UKIP branches, and it doesn't have grassroots, and that's because of the way it's set itself up, and until that does, it's still going and that's because of the way it's set itself up, and until that does, it's still going to have a problem, because when it needs 200 people out, or it needs to find those people to administer stuff in UKIP does still exist of course doesn't it?
Yeah, but it's sort of like a dead Moribund thing.
Do you think Nigel can't just say to them, exactly as you said earlier, get on board with us here?
Yeah, well Ukip is sort of on board, but there isn't any infrastructure left.
And the other issue, the real issue is the age, because there was this issue that lots of Ukipers were really old.
The issue is how do you get the young to understand that housing prices and rent prices are related to the number of people and they still don't seem to get that connection.
Well Nigel has, as we spoke about yesterday, got a bit of a following going on TikTok so hopefully the younger generation will sort of joking about how if labor reduces the franchise down to 16 17 year olds that that's just another boon for nigel because they like him rather than labor but who knows i mean that's some speculation are those are those videos going out on tiktok are they genuine are they are generated is he really playing yeah no that the minecraft one i saw today
i'm pretty sure that's fake okay right uh but he does have a real genuine tiktok presence right um so anyway uh yeah my just worry is is that before you'd have to be playing like 3d chess with whitehall and And not just Whitehall, but there's like some sort of evil nexus, isn't there, between the civil service and the mainstream corporate media?
Because Loose Trust was taken down by us, and the banks.
What was it, the OBR?
The OBR, the Bank of England.
Right, so the OBR, the Bank of England, and the corporate mainstream media sort of got together and Well, there was all sorts of weirdness going on with Rishi's bloodless coup.
What on earth really happened there behind all the closed doors?
I don't know.
I'm not sure many people really know what actually... what really, really happened and why in all of that.
But you'd have to guard against that first and foremost, right?
Yeah.
Because otherwise you just won't get more than a few weeks in power.
The system has been built in a way so that it can never go backwards and actually you can see this in the Labour Party Manifesto where what Blair did is he came in and he said okay let's take all of these areas of government and make them a krango and then put our people in control and if you read the Labour Party Manifesto they're doing the same thing.
Everything that's still left within the democratic purview is going to be pushed into a krango, stuffed with their friends to try and make it impossible.
Legal warfare.
I mean, you've seen what's going on in America.
And the thing is, if our people ever came in, it would be a genuine challenge to get even the basics done.
Yeah, so I imagine one of your first battles would be that.
I love the idea of getting rid of Tony Blair's Supreme Court.
Just abolish it.
Not first day, but your first bill is abolishing that or repealing that.
But you have to realise, as I said, that that is why you need to keep the economics as stable as possible.
Yes, I agree with that.
None of this getting rid of two million pounds, which also has a perceptual issue that it's rich boys because so few people, ordinary people in Swindon pay inheritance tax because they get two of them in the first place.
You know, you've got to be over half a million pounds and most of the population would like to have a half a million pounds.
So this is why it's such a bad policy.
It comes across as too many rich bankers and people, hedge fund people, and that's not the image you want.
You know, I know you laugh about the woman who used to have a caravan in the Labour Party.
But, you know, you do need a few caravanners.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
We have to get the working class and the middle class.
Once there's a swell of support there, well, that's the ballgame, right?
I mean, that's the absolute ballgame.
I mean, I certainly think you could do... I mean, one of the nicest things in that is obviously the VAT reduction, which, I don't know, is a minor point, but there are 16 million small businesses in this country.
They are lifeblood and so many people stop working when they get to the 85,000 threshold.
Do you know about that?
The VAT threshold.
Oh, are you talking about for small businesses?
Yeah, but it's critical because people just stop working.
Half the country stops working for the rest of the year and goes on holiday because they're either VAT registered or they're not VAT registered.
I mean, again, it's how much does that cost to do?
How much does it cost to get 20,000?
You see, everybody not paying tax under 20,000.
How many billions?
For me, the easiest part of this jigsaw is to cut the 57 billion out from the Bulgarians and the housing benefit and the claims on the other side.
That is an easier target to do.
I'd stop all foreign aid 100%.
Not a penny.
Why?
Yeah.
Why not a penny?
We need to invest loads of money here.
So, yeah, all foreign aid.
Just end that.
Immediately.
I mean, I'm not going to lose a wink of sleep over that.
To be fair, you're not going to move the dial on any of this stuff until you look at the big line items, which are pensions, NHS and welfare.
Sure.
One of the things, though, just to go back to the point when you talked about what would I do, this idea that you have to make sure that you're not just, you don't get least trust within a week.
Yeah, that is legitimately my biggest concern.
The NHS, again, I don't think Nigel's going quite the right way with the private stuff.
Yes, it may need to be done in the future, but there are a couple of things.
I set up a health charity in Nepal.
These are people with flip-flops or no shoes and we charged everybody like, you know, the equivalent of £10 for an appointment.
And boy, the missed appointments stopped instantly.
Instantly!
We waste billions.
The next thing on the NHS that I would do is I'd say, We give out people 20 million pounds from ambulance chasing lawyers and the doctors who are working are in fear all the time of making a mistake and losing their license or I would say you've got free health care
You can take it or leave it but you're going to sign away your rights because with the exception of about one in a million doctors, Dr Shipman, most doctors go in it not to kill you, they go in to help you and they are well-meaning and they're not planning to make a mistake and cut your wrong leg off.
So that's number two I would do.
Number three, health tourism, costing billions.
If you're not resident, you're not eligible.
I would put You see, I would put bonds on everybody coming in here.
I would put, for people coming in on tourist visas, if you come in, everybody has to have five million pounds of health insurance that you can buy, which we would buy if we were going to America.
And I would put bonds from high-risk countries Singapore used to do it, was if you had a maid, not only did you have to have a bond up, but you would basically get imprisoned if she got pregnant.
And so they used to kick them in on Saturday nights.
Now that's quite draconian, but basically you would put a bond of £5,000, £10,000.
And by the way, that isn't even enough, because overstaying a visa is worth more than £10,000.
You would need to imprison the sponsor.
Of that person if they don't leave.
So that is logistically something I'd always wanted to do is every person who does come here needs to have a sponsor and if the person who came here committed crime then both of them serve it.
Yeah.
Because then you're going to be very careful about who you let in.
I think this stuff, these boats, these illegals could be stopped so quickly with just the threat that you are not going to have anything.
Singapore allows everybody, and it's surrounded by poor countries and less developed countries, it allows almost every national, including Nepalese, to arrive on a two-week tourist visa.
And it doesn't have an illegal problem.
Now, why?
No benefits.
They get zero, they're not allowed to sleep on the street, they will be picked up by the police and sent to the airport.
Singapore, don't muck them out.
And everybody knows that's going to happen so you don't bother.
I think you even get fined if you drop chewing gum.
You're not allowed to have chewing gum.
What brought a point I wanted to make about the sort of the distrust angled or just getting removed from from office before you get a chance to do any of this stuff about housing and immigration everything would be the you need to make sure I mean that how to put it okay David Starkey I think put it quite well that the Parliament should be supreme and that's one of Tony Blair's biggest crimes is that he
Broke the sort of absolute authority of Parliament in various ways, all sorts of ways.
You know, lots of power when things go to quangos and all sorts of third parties.
And it used to be that, you know, an act of Parliament was sort of absolutely supreme.
I think you'd have to address that first to make Parliament great again so that if and when you pass bills going forward after that they're actually it's actually ironclad stuff so you could pass a bill saying let's get rid of loads of quangos let's get let's change this and that like big things like the Supreme Court or like the Bank of England it all counts for nothing or making a whole new department for a re-migration or something it all counts for nothing if Parliament is weak as hell
Yeah, so the whole system is being built to be a ratchet and if you want to go backwards on the ratchet it is going to be really painful because people will make it painful because the system has been designed that way.
You can't go through a lot of the institutions that have been set up that are normally supposed to do this stuff because they're just full of placements.
We're not going to tolerate any of this.
So yeah, I mean it is an almighty challenge.
It might be the case that Maybe a revolution is the only way to get through this.
That's sort of the thing I'm talking about.
You're talking about maybe a battle of wills.
It's difficult to turn the cog back or whatever you just said.
No.
Nonsense.
I'm not disagreeing with you.
What I'm saying is, if Parliament is supreme, then there's no battle of wills.
It's Parliament's way or the highway.
It's as simple as that.
We need to return to that sort of paradigm and then obviously have a government with the political will to do what we want.
They're two big asks.
Let's leave it there for that segment and see what the commenting people have been saying.
I just realised Count Binface and Lord Buckethead are two completely different things.
Oh yeah, they're a different species.
It's like elephants and elephant seals, just completely different.
Badgers and honey badgers.
Yes, yes, exactly right.
And by the way, just finally, I've changed my view on this, on the economic stuff.
Because I came up, I was a child of Thatcher, etc, and in UKIP there was red UKIP and blue UKIP, and I would have been on the blue UKIP.
But I've said no, it cannot win blue UKIP.
It's got to be a redder UKIP.
It's got to give something back to those people who have suffered so badly economically.
Garlic Goblin says, I wasn't aware of Catherine prior to today, but she's absolutely brilliant.
Another fantastic Lotus Eaters guest, great knowledge, insights, principles, I hope this is the first of many appearances.
Thank you.
So, uh, Garlic Goblin says that, and Bleach Demon says, Catherine is a great guest, can't wait to see her back.
Russian Garbage Human says, Karl, Catherine is brilliant.
Please invite her on again.
Absolutely glued to the headphones in my ears until I have to be away again.
Thank you.
And Hex Rector says, Dan, I'd love you to do a Brokernomics on Trump's proposal to abolish the federal income tax and replace it with tariffs on imported goods.
Yeah, maybe not Holbrokeconomics, but I can definitely cover that as part of something.
So yes, why not?
What about just covering Trump's economics team?
Who influences him?
What his thoughts and feelings are on economics?
What he did last time or didn't do last time?
What he's saying he might do this time?
You can make Holbrokeconomics out of that.
Yeah, I could do that.
I'd be interested, because I don't know a great deal about that.
Yeah, I could do that.
We'll have a look at that.
Right, so on the petrodollar section, Faxbar says, Nigel fully understands that this is a population density problem.
He openly talks about it.
I think net zero migration is just a good place to start.
I mean, do we agree with that?
Yeah, but it isn't net zero, we know, because it's not net passport zero.
But direction of travel is, of course, he's the best we've got.
Let's have gross zero passports.
AZ Desert Rat points out that it's too bad the U.S.
won't mine the oil in Alaska.
There's tons of oil, coal and natural resources and gas up there.
But yeah, I mean, it's the same with here.
We've got plenty of resources, North Sea oil and gas.
And coal.
Yeah, coal.
Massive seams of shale.
Canada and Alaska, that's not even counting mainland America, Canada and Alaska has giant reserves.
I think Canada is up there with places in the Middle East, but it's just largely untapped.
Yeah.
Oh, boy.
Ted Kersey says regarding the petrodollar, while this might have been coming for a while, Biden put a brick on the accelerator and steered us off a cliff.
I mean, yeah, that's essentially my point is these trends were happening anyway, but Biden has just, it's just disastrous on geopolitics and international relations and everything.
Well let's be more accurate, the people behind Biden.
I think Sleepy Joe doesn't know what the hell is going on.
He's not up to it obviously.
Alex says, if you want a gold conspiracy look into the Yamashita Treasury.
Gold that the Japanese had taken during Imperial expansion.
It was hidden following the end of the war and is scattered around Asia.
The CIA got some after World War II.
Never even heard of that one, so that is interesting.
Just quickly on that, isn't there an actual, and I don't think this is a conspiracy thing, I think this is a matter of documented fact, there was a Nazi train filled with gold that the Nazis buried somewhere right at the end of the war, somewhere in Europe, and to this day it remains unfound.
So I think there's a train carriage from World War II era full of bullion somewhere.
I've seen that.
They still haven't found it.
I haven't got the program.
The documentary people try to find it, but they have not.
Right.
There you go.
Oh, okay.
Oh, OK.
So if you've got half a train sticking up in your back garden, have a look.
Do you want to do something from the reform hall section?
Go on then.
Justice, I can't read the screen very well.
That's exactly why I have always... Sorry, there's loads of glare on the screen.
Thanks, Samson.
That's exactly why I've always hated net zero migration.
I don't count those coming in as equal to those leaving.
Yeah.
Justin Bee said that.
Yeah, our trained doctor for a Jamaican barista is not a one-for-one spot.
Right.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, another quick thing to say, again, throughout history, quite often when there's a migration like this and we say, oh, we happen to notice that they're all sort of young-ish, fighting-age men, hardly any women and children.
Yeah, not only that, but they'll be quite often, again, historically speaking, they're the chancers of their own society.
OK, this is a very important point.
The poor do not come from a country like Nepal because the poor have never been to the capital city.
I run a healthcare charity.
My nurses had never been to the capital city.
They are not even the poor.
They're the educated.
They haven't been to the capital city.
To come to Europe, you need to generally have some English, to be internet connected and to have some resources and to live near an airport.
And the second point about this is many of these people own houses and land in their other countries.
Nobody ever talks about this.
They're just refugees.
Yes, but nobody talks about the fact that the people in Swindon down there claiming social security have got another house and they may be getting rents from them.
And they just get caught, they're just asylum seekers, they're just refugees.
Don't worry about who they really are or exactly where they came from or what's in their mind or what they may or may not already own.
Don't worry about any of that.
In the left's imagination these people were being shot at up until the point they got onto the dinghy at Dover.
Yeah, Assad's regime is machine gunning them at Calais and they can only be safe in Dover.
Chasing them through the high streets of Calais.
But I think the important point is my nurses have never been to the capital city.
Right, yeah.
You need a bit of money and a bit of nowt to make that trip in the first place.
And you have a family that invests in you so you get the chain going.
So you get the wife come to etc.
And perhaps we have to finish on this one because we're out of time.
No, no, we can go over a bit.
Nigel Farage is the normie foot in the door.
Our Molotov cocktail through the Overton window.
The human hand grenade to give the uni party a referendum they can't ignore.
Nigel isn't representing left or right, just native British.
Yep.
Let's do a couple more, we can go over one.
Nick Taylor says, I'm Australian, I'm sick of hearing about the point-based system.
Hundreds of thousands of Uber drivers milling around on public infrastructure during the day.
They're not all engineers and nurses.
And so easy to corrupt, as we pointed out.
Yeah.
Jonas says, uh, lifelong Tory voter now voting for reform, however our candidate in West Dorset for reform messed up his application, so now I can only spoil the ballot.
That is unfortunate.
I joined the party for a £25 fee, we need to change the system.
Yeah, so let's do a couple from our last segment as well, because of course that's where you got to, um, talk more about what you would do.
Um, Lord Nerevar says, a manifesto is a manifesto, actions are actions.
I understand that, but this manifesto is a way for reform to advance these issues on behalf of the electorate.
But it remains to be seen whether they can or will actually act on it.
But I'm hopeful Reform haven't had an exactly spotless record lately.
Yeah, so it's encouraging that Nigel has returned.
But yeah, there are obviously some deeper issues there as you decline to give us your view on Tice.
Well, I mean, the main thing is he just doesn't set the world on fire, does he?
And he's a conservative, you know, he's sort of... The hotel room chair is definitely for him.
You've got to give it to Nigel.
He is charismatic.
Oh yeah, very much so.
People say he's a good communicator.
No, he's more than that.
He's got something I don't have and I've never seen anybody with so much energy.
Nigel is somebody who has like It's Superman energy.
He's 61.
He will drive from Strasbourg.
He will do messages on the phone.
He will then do three meetings and then go to D-Day and then come back to a village hall in Barnsley all in the same day and have a great social life and be at some Trump funding event in the evening.
I mean, how he does it, I don't know.
Nobody can keep up.
Fueled only by a couple of pints of Mild and half a pack of Marlboro Ritz.
Mr. Awards says, I would consider my dad a model immigrant, but no matter how well he integrates, follows our laws, respects our traditions, he will never be British.
There are cultural differences ingrained in his bones.
These days, new arrivals can't even be expected to respect their host country, let alone have any sort of patriotism.
Even amongst the good ones, many regard our history as evil and a burden the West has to carry.
They all have to go back, and I mean all of them.
I won't go quite that far, but...
Well, the other thing we're not allowed to talk about is that some immigrants, and this is not about skin colour, integrate better than other immigrants.
And obviously you look at crime statistics, which we're not allowed to ever see, but they've been produced in the Scandinavian country, you know, 1% of Criminals come from Singapore and Japan and 98% come from Somalia or something, you know, these numbers, these rape numbers.
But from my own experience, you know, the Caribbean speaks the same language, has the same religion, eats, you know, Fruitcake, I know these are stupid things, but if you had a group of people, there's always a continuum of who you get on with.
And language is the first thing, so you'll get on better with a Jamaican than you will with an Indian.
There's a continuum in my opinion of religion.
Most of the Nepalese are absolutely delightful.
We've had the Gurkhas in our army.
The Nepalese Gurkhas have some of the lowest unemployment rates in the entire Britain.
Less than the native population.
They're like 1% and the native population is sort of 10.
They, they are Buddhist and being Buddhist makes, generally, most of them are Buddhist, makes a big deal of difference.
Your religion makes a great deal of difference and your language and your history and your culture makes a big difference.
Once again, that's a pattern, it's quite bigoted of you to have noticed that.
Yeah.
I think, you know, Karam did a bit a while ago, it's like, I think it wasn't, it wasn't in Britain, I think it was in Sweden or Denmark or Norway or something, and it was like, yeah, Somalia, And Sikh girls have been groomed as well.
And you know, Sikhs have often had an incredibly upright history, have fought for Britain, who believe in Britain, have integrated, who don't commit enormous numbers.
And so there are these groups that do really well.
And believe in things.
There are certainly groups that you'd want to focus on first if you were looking at a re-migration system you know possibly starting banning halal meat or something like that.
Yeah.
I mean if you look at somewhere like Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria or Kuwait or something versus somewhere like South Korea or Hong Kong or Singapore for example and how do you explain that?
Well, culture was just the tip of the iceberg.
But, you know, well, anyway.
Think Positive says, on the rubbish thing, people protect the laws, not the other way around.
It's the broken window thing.
Yeah.
Kevin Fox says, fix the housing, confiscate all properties from the housing associations and put them back under council control.
Possibly.
I think I need to think that one through a bit more.
David Fisher says, um, I'm English, I've lived in Canada for 25 years, I am allowed to vote in the election and am registered.
I am torn whether I should vote.
If I were a person living in my old constituency and found out somebody living in Canada could decide my election, I wouldn't be happy.
What to do?
I still plan to return to the UK at some point, providing it isn't too much of a basket case.
So I think the principal thing to do is, if you're going to vote for the right people, just do it, because the left wouldn't have those compunctions at all.
Of course.
This whole thing is bonkers, bonkers, that somebody from Pakistan who's just arrived a week ago can vote.
Yeah.
So, let's sign off here.
Before we go, if people have enjoyed your stuff, where can they get more of you?
I'm on Twitter, so that's the main place you'll find me.
Yeah, I haven't been, I came out of politics after the Brexit Party fiasco and I did do a bit on the vaccination, the Covid.
Right.
Oh, quickly, that's the other thing I really liked in the Reform Manifesto, but they're going to address the Covid vaccine harms.
Right.
But onwards and upwards with the English Democrats, hopefully, going forward over the next few years.
What's your plans for the future of that party?
Well, I'm not the leader.
That's Robin, isn't it?
They're a nice country club.
They're very nice people and they've been around forever.
There is of course this issue which none of the other parties address, the fact that the Scots, the Welsh, not only do we pay them loads of money but we have no representation whatsoever.
Andy, Emily Thornberry, you know that the English flag is nasty and the Scots flag is absolutely fine.
This is a problem that nobody ever talks about.
Yes, that's fair.
Although it is, I think, a sub-problem to the immigration problem.
Either those devolved parliaments should go or all their MPs should leave Westminster.
Pick one.
I think it's just adding more money and, you know, we need to get rid... we have a massive budget deficit problem and we need to find things like diversity things in the NHS and diversity offices and extra parliaments.
We just don't need it.
Yes.
You've got to wonder what it is about the NHS that they need so many diversity, equity, inclusion officers.
I mean, they must just be seething racists, every one of them or something.
I would undo all of Blair's devolution stuff.
Yeah.
Worked perfectly well for centuries before that.
It's been nothing but... I'm torn on that, or just leaving them in place and then chucking out all of the Welsh and Scottish MPs from... And I'll take the stone of Scoon back as well, having that back.
Well one of the other things, I mean this is just a very minor thing on the NHS, but it costs us something like half a million pounds to train a doctor.
That's without the cost for their student loans.
I would double junior doctors salaries and I would make them work for five years, seven years in a contract like the army.
They are underpaid and they can literally spend five years and become a potter.
I think Dr David Bull of Reformers said that, that once you're a doctor you have to work in the NHS for a few years.
I mean the other thing that's a real problem that nobody talks about is the fact that we are training about 65% women and that's because men will not go into the NHS.
The other thing that's a real problem that nobody talks about is the fact that we are training about 65% women.
And that's because men will not go into the NHS.
Do you know that?
Well, I can imagine it's quite a toxic environment for men.
Because when they're students the bright ones decide that they would rather do AI and not end up in the NHS earning £30,000 when they can go to London and earn £80,000 as a recruitment agency and so the result is we've got 65% women They all leave to have babies and just as they become consultants or GPs.
Women choose to do less overtime.
Yes, so we've only got 10% of GPs in training who plan to work full-time.
This is just bonkers.
Even if you believe in equality, it should be 50-50, not 65-35.
All good points.
Right, so... We're going to have to draw it to a close there, don't we?
Yes, we're going to have to draw it to a close, so thanks very much, guys, and see you tomorrow.
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