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Dec. 7, 2023 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #801

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	Good afternoon, folks.
	Welcome to the podcast and Lotus Seasons for the 7th of December, 2023.
	I'm joined by some known names.
	I've never... Hello.
	Fred?
	Some bank.
	Right.
	So Fred, you probably know.
	Distinguished guest.
	So I'm so glad to have you guys in the new studio.
	Nice to be here.
	It's lovely.
	It's extraordinarily posh.
	It is posh.
	It is very posh.
	Am I meant to be reading this thing down here?
	No, no, no.
	They're notes for me.
	It looks expensive.
	I've got to tell you.
	It bloody was.
	Hopefully it was worth it.
	But today we're going to be talking about the cause for genocide on Ivy League campuses and how that's actually something that maybe should be tolerated, apparently.
	How Ireland is totally delusional.
	about immigration and how immigration is going to bring down the Tories.
	I'm going to do it in this particular order because the thing is the Irish they're about five or ten years behind us when it comes to the immigration issue.
	Right.
	So we've got a lot of experience on that and so trying to help out our Irish friends by saying look actually this is going to go terribly for you.
	We've been a great case study in this.
	Trust us, take our advice now.
	But before we begin, after this, we've got a lads hour where the friends will be joining the lads talking about music.
	I remember music!
	The guys have been wanting to get you on there, specifically to talk about this, because of course, why wouldn't they?
	Get some experts on.
	Anyway, let's begin.
	When are calls for genocide okay?
	Well, it turns out they're contextual if you work on an Ivy League campus such as Harvard or Penn State or MIT or something like that.
	Now, I would have thought there would have been an always no.
	That would have been a never event.
	You're never supposed to call for genocide.
	But it turns out that if you're politically on the right side of the argument, then actually you get a lot of tolerance.
	Seems to be the case.
	They use the word targeted.
	They do, yes.
	It's very legalese about this.
	It's a bit like I did not have sex with that woman.
	Yes.
	The Clinton get out.
	It is, yes.
	And I watched it.
	What I think is, I think anti-Semitism goes way deeper than we think.
	Particularly on the left.
	It's like the Owen Jones thing, which is a reluctance to admit that Hamas have been really pretty horrible.
	There's a weird amount of Hamas defence.
	It's the Hamas defence.
	It's like, well, you know, you can't blame them really.
	It's sort of that thing.
	So I think what we're seeing is the reveal.
	I think a lot of these people have been anti-Semitic soft all the whole time.
	I don't know.
	But that Penn State thing was really instructive.
	And also, when the question was posed, the woman's face.
	She was laughing.
	But blank.
	It was like, what do I say?
	How do I get out of this?
	One of them was great.
	We'll get into it, actually.
	We'll watch a bit of it in a minute.
	But the thing I think is important about this.
	is a concept of repressive tolerance because of course if this was say Ben Shapiro fans who were calling for the genocide of the Palestinians on Harvard campuses yeah I don't think they'd be sat in front of a committee going like well I mean it's contextual you know I think I think that Ben Shapiro would be banned from every campus ever like he probably is anyway and all of his fans would have been kicked out of the universities right anyone chanting that they would have come down incredibly hard but when it's left-wingers saying
	death to all Jews, suddenly there's a lot more nuance, a lot more nuance.
	There seems to be.
	And that is all Marcuse's repressive tolerance.
	He wrote this essay called Repressive Tolerance, in which he said, look, we will just simply rescind tolerance from those people we disagree with from the right.
	And this is literally what we're watching playing out now.
	And so the left gets infinite tolerance for anything they do.
	The right gets zero tolerance for anything they do, even though they are both the same act.
	And go find out more by signing up to lotuses.com.
	So I thought we'd begin with just the New York Times is framing on this.
	Harvard, MIT and Penn say they are acting against anti-Semitism in congressional testimony.
	That's not what I drew from the bloody testimony!
	That's a weird frame, isn't it?
	But this is what I mean.
	Like, there is no way if this was a right winger being called up to be defending themselves for calls for genocide against, you know, whoever, that this would have been the frame.
	Well, my thing, if you imagine somebody saying the same thing about all black students, Can you imagine?
	The sky would have come down.
	The guy would have been out of a job.
	Or a gay student, absolutely.
	He probably would have had his bank account taken away.
	Exactly.
	I completely agree with you.
	I think there are some sections of society which are, you can't even discuss it.
	You can't even, you know, you're accused of transphobia or islamophobia or whatever it is.
	There are many who even talk about it.
	It's a phobia.
	But with the Jewish issue and the anti-semitism, it seems there are all kinds of caveats around it.
	What I found weird is that, obviously having been in the music industry for so long, and the Jewish community are well represented in entertainment.
	Yeah.
	Particularly in legal firms and stuff.
	So we've worked with many Jewish people.
	Hellbrooks!
	Absolutely.
	Never had an issue.
	And what I find weird is what I've noticed online is people with a legitimate concern for their safety, particularly in London, are just mocked.
	Oh, completely.
	It's like, yeah, online, it's very, it's very odd.
	There's this sort of like, as if, as if a Jewish person in London who says, actually, I don't feel safe.
	It would lie about that.
	I don't feel safe as an English person.
	I can only imagine how much worse that is.
	And I think it's very odd.
	And it's a bit, what I thought was weird, reading some of the timelines, a lot of people are very sympathetic, but some of those who wanted to have a go, there was no sort of, why do you think that?
	What's happened?
	It was just your lying.
	This is you trying to create a false sense of hostility.
	Suddenly we don't care about lived experience.
	This is a statement from Claudine Gay of Harvard, which I thought was just brilliant.
	She says, quote, I've sought to confront hate while preserving free expression.
	This is difficult work.
	I know I've not always got it right.
	Again, if that was Ben Shapiro fans calling for the extermination of black people, you'd be like, well, I'm very concerned about free expression.
	It wouldn't even come up.
	No.
	It wouldn't even come up.
	I agree.
	And so I thought we'd watch just some of this testimony.
	Yeah, this is good.
	Because this is just bonkers, to be honest.
	I know.
	I just can't believe I'm watching this in the year of our Lord 2023.
	Exactly.
	Dr. Kornbluth, at MIT, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate MIT's code of conduct or rules regarding bullying and harassment?
	Yes or no?
	If targeted at individuals not making public statements.
	Yes or no?
	Just a quick one, not making public statements.
	Yeah.
	So if I'm, I'm just, I come out onto the Harvard campus.
	Yes.
	I'm just like, I think all the Jews should just be genocided by the way.
	Uh, that's just a broad statement.
	It's just a, just a statement of my political opinion, actually.
	She'd be like, well, I mean, that's not targeted.
	So that's fine.
	It is a yes or no.
	It's very obvious.
	Absolutely.
	I love that she's equivocating on this.
	Yeah.
	Calling for the genocide of Jews does not constitute bullying and harassment?
	I have not heard calling for the genocide for Jews on our campus.
	But you've heard chants for Intifada?
	I've heard chants which can be anti-Semitic depending on the context when calling for the elimination of the Jewish people.
	So those would not be according to the MIT's code of conduct or rules?
	That would be investigated as harassment if pervasive and severe.
	Ms.
	McGill, at... So just casual calls for the genocide.
	Yes.
	As long as it's not severe.
	Come on!
	It's sort of soft genocide.
	It's word salad, isn't it?
	They're just beating around the bush.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Anything but just... Pen, does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Pen's rules or code of conduct?
	Yes or no?
	If the speech turns into conduct, it can be harassment.
	I am asking, specifically calling for the genocide of Jews, does that constitute bullying or harassment?
	If it is directed and severe, it is harassment.
	So the answer is yes.
	It is a context-dependent decision, Congresswoman.
	It's a context-dependent decision.
	That's your testimony today.
	Calling for the genocide of Jews is depending upon the context.
	That is not bullying or harassment.
	This is the easiest question to answer.
	Yes, Ms.
	McGill.
	So is your testimony that you will not answer yes?
	If the speech becomes conduct, it can be harassment, yes.
	Conduct meaning committing the act of genocide?
	The speech is not harassment.
	This is unacceptable, Ms.
	McGill.
	I'm going to give you one more opportunity for the world to see your answer.
	Does calling for the genocide of Jews violate Penn's Code of Conduct when it comes to bullying and harassment?
	Yes or no?
	It can be harassment.
	It can be.
	She's loving it.
	What a really weird lady she is.
	And that's why, I mean, I think it's why you see so many dysfunctional people coming out of university.
	What's weird is that they think they've been educated.
	In fact, a lot of it's indoctrination.
	My daughter's a doctor and she went through six years of uni and she was very perplexed at some of the information she was meant to be taking on board and some of the groups and the political stuff going on.
	Quite savvy and ballsy and kept herself to herself, you know.
	But if you're not that sort of person, you could get where you end up like her, don't you?
	Well, the interesting thing is, as you say, she started off being very pro-NHS.
	Yes.
	And then, yeah, really pro the idea.
	And then, I mean, I watched Jeremy Corbyn the other day, who's still rattling on about being pro-NHS, like it's a given.
	Yeah.
	And when she realized how politically skewed it was, She's just pulled away, and it's now destroyed her faith in the basic principles of the NHS.
	I mean, just as a quick side, I'm pro the concept of the NHS.
	Yeah, it's a great idea.
	It's just, it's not the National Health Service, it is the International Health Service, and we're going to forever pay for the entire world's healthcare.
	My thing also is, when I tweeted Jeremy Corbyn, or ex, I don't know how you say that now, Jeremy Corbyn back, and I said, be specific.
	Is every procedure free at the point of need?
	I remember somebody talking to me about getting HIV on the NHS.
	you know, HIV, you know, what's the, what's the, that's the PrEP, don't they, on the NHS.
	Well, my thing is go and buy some condoms.
	I don't see why the taxpayer should pay for that.
	I think you can get condoms from the NHS.
	Well, you probably can.
	I think you probably can.
	Anything like that, I think if you have an option, there are some things I agree with you that absolutely should be free at the point of use.
	Absolutely.
	But the idea that it should cover absolutely all procedures is ridiculous.
	Back in the day, I'll tell a very, very quick story.
	Back in the day when the NHS was started, there was a little old lady who used to go into her GP and order As much cotton wool as she could get her hands on.
	Loads and loads of cotton wool.
	And after a while, the doctor said to her, Can I ask you what's going on with the cotton wool?
	She said, Oh, I'm making teddy bears.
	Smart!
	But that's kind of the thinking.
	If she was having to pay for that, she wouldn't be doing it.
	We saw this framing, which I just thought was amazing.
	Again, if that can be considered acting against anti-Semitism, anything can be.
	But you see the result on the right.
	When there are online people, and they literally say, a dam burst last week on the right, and a wave of grotesque anti-Semitism poured out all over the internet.
	It's like, okay, that's the internet.
	Ivy League campuses and the presidents of these Ivy League universities.
	But this is the framing.
	It's like, oh no, the right, evil anti-Semitism.
	The left, oh we're doing everything we can to stop anti-Semitism.
	It's an unbelievable lie.
	It's unbelievable partisanship.
	This is why I refer you back to the Repressive Tolerance podcast to understand why this is happening, why it is manifesting as it's manifesting now.
	But anyway, I thought we'd move on because there's obviously a lot of condemnation over this.
	A lot of people are actually quiet.
	I hadn't seen that.
	I hadn't seen that clip before.
	Oh, that I have.
	Oh, it's just disgusting.
	There are three of them there and they're all presidents.
	Yeah.
	Just disgusting.
	They're not just some sort of low level administrators.
	These are the people at the very top.
	Yeah.
	But far right has become another expression like you're a racist or you're a homophobe.
	It's just one of those like confetti.
	They just throw it out.
	Also, it's like anti-vax.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's used to destroy the conversation by name calling.
	Exactly, exactly.
	I've just, on the subject of far right, I've just thought, okay, what's far right?
	It's like thinking you should have borders, thinking people should work hard, being pro-family.
	It's like, okay, maybe I'm far right.
	I mean, like, if that's what being far right is, I mean.
	There was a good, Andrew Lawrence is worth watching.
	Oh, he's great, yeah.
	And he said, you wait till the real far right turn up.
	He's right!
	He's 100% right about that.
	He's absolutely right, yeah.
	Because we're rights are fair, we get far rights.
	And I always say, And I say, right, so far so bread.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And, uh, but, but people are just, and when they find out I've got a black wife, it really upsets them.
	That's not far right.
	What people do.
	It really upsets the whole thing.
	Yeah, I know.
	So whenever I just, when you ask them for a list, what's far right, they'll tell you a bunch of things that are just really normal common sense.
	It's like, okay, but if that's what being far right is, Then, I mean, if you thought I was a Nazi, you'd just call me a Nazi, because it's not like you're shy to say that.
	No, no.
	So you're not calling me a Nazi.
	What you're calling me is kind of a nativist.
	Yes, yes.
	A normal nativist, common sense Nazi.
	Maybe, you know, okay, fine.
	Well, during some of the pro-Palestinian marches, we've got people dressed in their Palestinian gear, and I don't know if they're Muslims or not, or they're hijacking the event, I don't know.
	But they're now advocating what Hitler said was right.
	Have you seen the guy doing the whole thing?
	What?
	I mean, these people!
	There was a clip of the Met Police taking a guy's sign off of him because it had a swastika on it.
	And they were putting it to the side.
	It's like, sorry, if say one of Tommy's lads or something had turned up with a swastika, you'd have been arrested like that, right?
	No, not these guys.
	It looks bad optics.
	You'd have a sign with a swastika, so we're just going to put that to the side.
	You carry on marching.
	Come on!
	But sometimes I think, for me, the devil is always in the detail.
	Have you seen the Christmas tree?
	No.
	It's pretty bad.
	It's pretty terrible.
	Oh, really?
	It's really bad.
	Why?
	Because if you had a really... I'm not a Christian at all, but I'm not of a faith.
	But if you had a very strong Christian mayor in London, that Christmas tree would look great.
	What we have is we have a Muslim... It's Sadiq Khan!
	It's Sadiq Khan, who doesn't care about Christians or Christmas.
	Therefore, the tree bears the brunt.
	It's pretty appalling.
	It looks like one half has been shaved off.
	I think John's going to pull it up for us.
	Let's have a look at the Christmas tree.
	It looked pretty bad.
	My wife showed it to me.
	Now that... Yeah, that actually looks better than it did.
	That looks better now.
	Yes, it does.
	Why hasn't it come to light?
	And it looks a bit small, doesn't it?
	Yes.
	Yeah, it is a bit small.
	That was better.
	When the first picture I saw, it looked pretty shabby.
	Maybe that's a better shot.
	But that doesn't look great.
	It doesn't look great, does it?
	It's London's Christmas tree.
	We've probably got a better one in Swindon.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It was last year, I think, was the first time I spotted it, and last year's tree was infinitely worse than that.
	And you don't have to be a Christian to be concerned about this.
	This is British tradition.
	The capital of Britain.
	Yeah, I agree.
	The whole thing about Christmas, I mean, as I say, I'm not of a faith particularly, but one thing I'm becoming increasingly aware of is the lack of spirituality around Christmas.
	Around anywhere.
	And around, you know, around everything.
	Yeah, I really think, you know, stars and angels and all that stuff isn't really what we're talking about when you're talking about celebrating Christmas.
	It's not really the, it's not really the thing.
	I think, here's the picture of it when it arrived.
	Oh, that's the one I was looking at?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, that could be storage.
	Yeah, they'd obviously have to puff that up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's not a great tree, is it?
	It still doesn't look huge, does it, for Capital City?
	No.
	Maybe, I don't know.
	Maybe it's always been this size, hasn't it?
	Yeah, we'd need to go back in time to look at previous trees.
	We'd have to, yeah.
	Anyway, we'll carry on here, John.
	Yes.
	Right, so yeah, there were a lot of responses to this weird, strange defense of calls for genocide.
	The Pfizer CEO, my favorite person in the world, said he was ashamed to hear it.
	The Pennsylvania governor said that this was unacceptable and shameful.
	The White House press secretary came and was like, well, this is unacceptable.
	Various investors who are graduates of these universities came out because one thing that people may not know is of course very rich people who graduate from these universities tend to give them large endowments.
	Absolutely.
	And so it's you know weird that you're going to Offend all of those people by saying, yeah, yeah, it's, you know, they're going to give you lots of money.
	Yeah.
	Say Mark Rowan, who's a private equity billionaire who obviously gives the money, disgusted, and a hedge fund billionaire Bill Ackman has called for them to resign in disgrace.
	Well, it's good that that opposition is out there.
	It is, I'm pleased about that.
	It's just a shame that it took this broadcast, the filming of that panel, to make it happen.
	That guy there, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, any relation to Ben?
	No, I think Shapiro is just a common Jewish name.
	His mother was Helen though.
	But this gave Elon Musk the easiest win ever.
	Just tweet out, yes, it's actually easy to help out with this.
	You can just say, yes, it does.
	Calling for the genocide of anyone obviously constitutes harassment.
	Yeah.
	Not very difficult.
	I went and looked up the Harvard Student Handbook for 2023-2024.
	On page 50 it says discrimination based on race, color, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, religion, creed, national origin, age, ancestry, veteran status, disability, military service, or any other legally protected basis is contrary to the principles and policies of Harvard.
	So if calls for genocide of a race don't fall under that, then they're being very, very generous.
	They haven't read the handbook, mate.
	Quite possibly.
	I mean, it was brand new this year.
	Maybe they're just not up to speed.
	Maybe last year's handbook was like, you know, all these things except calls to genocide are totally unacceptable.
	But finally, we did actually get a statement from Harvard University.
	There are some who have confused the right to free expression with the idea that Harvard will condone calls for violence against Jewish students.
	No, they're not saying you can't call for genocide.
	No.
	They're not saying that, right?
	Let me be clear.
	Calls for violence or genocide against the Jewish community or any religious or ethnic group are vile and have no place.
	I have to do this retrospectively because I realize what a jerk she looks on screen.
	Exactly.
	Everyone's going to be like, hang on a second.
	Yeah.
	And she's had someone that's been on the phone saying, you need to, you need to sort this out because we've got funders pulling out.
	Billions and billions not being given.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Make it right.
	Yeah, make it right.
	Stupid woman.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the post below, why didn't you say this during congressional hearings yesterday?
	Exactly.
	I mean, if ever there was a time and a place to say it, when you're being called up in front of Congress.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And it seems like the easiest way.
	Do you support that?
	No, of course we don't support that.
	Why are we equivocating?
	I suppose they try to get round it because if they said, no, we don't support this, they would then say, well, you've got students calling you out of Fratana.
	Do something about it.
	And why haven't you done something about it?
	She wants to avoid that.
	And they'll get loads of protests.
	Yes.
	The other word that came up as contextual was jihad.
	There's nothing contextual about jihad.
	No, nothing.
	It is what it is.
	You know, that's your opinion.
	The opinion of Dr Gay here.
	Yes.
	She's got a different opinion on it.
	It makes you wonder what these people get up to behind closed doors and say, doesn't it?
	Yeah, if they're going to smirk about defending genocide in front of Congress, imagine what they say behind closed doors.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Absolutely.
	Very odd.
	I just, I mean, I just don't think I'd have the balls, even if I did believe it.
	No.
	I think I just, you know what, I probably don't support that actually.
	You know, good point.
	You know, well made.
	But anyway.
	It's what we were saying earlier, but the whole nuance thing has gone.
	Yeah.
	Hasn't it?
	It's completely gone.
	We saw it in Brexit.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And through COVID, you know, if you thought, well, maybe I don't want to take this fax, anti-vax.
	You weren't allowed to have the question there.
	And now we've got that idiot Piers Morgan, who's now had a COVID test, because first of all, he thinks those things work.
	Yeah.
	You know, he thinks those stupid little plastic things were from China.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the other thing is, he thinks, uh, you see, he's now decided it's a choice.
	Of course, at the end of his tweet, he says, of course, it's a choice.
	That's not what you were saying two years ago, Piers.
	What a spineless lump.
	You were saying, put us all in death camp, Piers.
	I still haven't taken it.
	I'm not taking the test, I've not been vaccinated, I've had nothing to do with it.
	No, no.
	I haven't had the jab.
	One person who hasn't had the jab which surprised me was Tucker Carlson.
	That doesn't surprise me, actually.
	No, it doesn't surprise me as much as he moves around a lot.
	Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
	If you know what I mean.
	But he always struck me as sort of savvy.
	Yeah, I'm a bit sussy.
	No, I think he's very savvy.
	Do you think Johnston had the jab?
	Or any of them?
	He should have stuck it in his bum if he has.
	You know, it's hard to say, right?
	Because I don't know how cynical they are and how stupid they are.
	Right, yes.
	It could be that they're deeply cynical and lying, or it could be that they're deeply stupid.
	Yes.
	And they believe they're bullshit.
	Right.
	So, I don't know, actually.
	Yeah, it's just after this came out that the New Zealand government, 11,000 exemptions.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, really?
	Oh, God.
	Something of that nature.
	Yeah.
	Because this guy's done a whistleblower, and now he's facing jail time.
	Yeah, he's out on bail.
	Is he?
	Oh good, good.
	And I think it was 11,000 exemptions, so then you've got to look, well, they're not the only government.
	No, no, good point, yeah.
	Sorry, a lot of White House staffers were exempt.
	Yes.
	And also what was interesting with the Davos thing, a lot of those cretins that went to Davos were insisting that the pilot that flew their plane was unjabbed.
	Yes, yes.
	You know, so, hey.
	I find it very hard to believe that they were jabbed.
	I think the Queen thought she was jabbed.
	I think she thought she was.
	Or even they gave her saline.
	Yes.
	But they wouldn't give her a trial.
	Not in a million years.
	I wouldn't, if I were the one making the decisions.
	No.
	Obviously.
	No.
	But then I wouldn't have given it to anyone.
	No, no.
	But I think there's quite a few people out there, you can see that, you know, with the capsule on the needle and all that stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	My feeling is, I agree with you, I don't think they would have risked, they would have Because I think these people knew.
	I saw Justin Trudeau apparently taking the jab the other day, but you don't, it's clipped.
	So, you know, between the point of going into his arm and, you know, her rubbing thing, you don't see that bit.
	No, no, no.
	And so it's just like, right, okay, that's me.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So yeah, actually, the more you say it, the more I think now.
	Yeah.
	Did you see the thing that came out today, actually?
	I retweeted it, where scientists have been doing studies and they're like, oh, there's unexpected results from this MRNA.
	Really?
	Amazing.
	We're baffled.
	Experts say.
	Experts say.
	Who could have known?
	Study finds.
	Who could have known that this experimental procedure had no unexpected result?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I know.
	It's exhausting, isn't it?
	It is exhausting.
	What's that?
	This is our merch, but we'll go on to the next bit because Ireland, I think, is quite delusional.
	I love the way I hadn't even finished that sentence.
	Ireland is delusional, yes.
	But specifically on immigration.
	And it's not the Irish people I just want to make clear.
	The average Irish person is a lot like the average British person.
	They don't want mass immigration.
	They've never asked for mass immigration.
	They've never voted for mass immigration.
	And yet they're getting mass immigration.
	And so we're about 20 years ahead of Ireland on this subject, about 15, 20 years ahead.
	And so I thought I would try and give some of the wisdom that we have learned in Britain about mass immigration to the Irish.
	But before we begin, if you all support us, go to our merch store and go and get some of our merch.
	Oh, I see.
	I particularly like this one.
	It's just a quote from the Duke of Wellington, which is, born in a stable does not make one a horse.
	Absolutely.
	Surprisingly edgy in this day and age.
	I don't think it should be.
	Or you can get our aesthetic range, which is pretty things.
	This one's a lovely piece of art by a local artist called Weathering the Storm, which is just a ship battled in a storm.
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah, cool.
	But that supports us, of course, because of course we've been demonetized on YouTube because we talk about things that we're not allowed to talk about.
	I like the hoodie.
	That's good.
	Yeah, thank you.
	I do as well.
	So, let's watch a few of the debates in the Dáil.
	I don't know how it's pronounced.
	It's the Irish Parliament.
	Yes.
	I was elected by the people who declared it.
	The deputy have linked criminality with immigration.
	Five times on the record of this House, you have said that elderly people, that women and children are scared alive because of immigration.
	Are you in any way surprised that you are raising temperatures and raising tension and raising fear in local communities when you consistently, when you consistently connect immigration with criminality?
	You know exactly what you're doing.
	So you know exactly what you're doing, which is raising the concerns of the Irish people.
	Because of course, if you bring lots of young men over from, say, North Africa or the Middle East, it turns out you actually don't attract the best and brightest.
	You say, we're going to give you lots of money to come and live in Ireland.
	That tends to attract foreign adventurers.
	Men are always men of the highest moral function.
	This thing illustrates the gap between people who sit in the chair, like her, and regular people.
	And that's been going, it's happening in Ireland, it's been going on in the UK for God knows how long.
	Just a simple thing like the lines, the chemtrails in the sky.
	I was never asked.
	British people were never asked.
	We don't know who it is, where it is, what's in it, who's flying the planes, Whenever you're asked, it's a conspiracy theory.
	You're a lunatic.
	So this comes in the wake of, of course, I don't even know if it was a terrorist attack.
	That's the thing.
	An Algerian migrant in Ireland stabbed a bunch of children.
	Yes, he did.
	And of course, Leo Varadkar, the Prime Minister of Ireland, came out and said, well, I would ask people to avoid connecting crime and migration.
	It's not right.
	But he added, a few migrants will commit terrible crimes.
	Well, that's not very reassuring, is it, Mr. Varnica?
	Some of you may die.
	Exactly.
	It's a sacrifice he's willing to make.
	Which, no wonder they're feeling a little bit afraid if the Prime Minister's coming.
	Well, yeah, some of them will come in.
	How can you trust anybody who can't find a comb?
	Well, that's a great question.
	But that's just a really, really, really lackadaisical opinion.
	I think the elites, for want of a better word, are now so disconnected from regular people.
	He's well-equipped on four.
	Yeah.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	So they don't...
	I think it's really interesting.
	I think this whole gap that's opened up in the last...
	Well, we've noticed it more in the last few years.
	This gap between what ordinary people feel and what they see and what they're told to see.
	The leadership is very ideological.
	That's the thing.
	I mean, you hear all of the arguments.
	Ireland's always been a nation of immigrants.
	What?
	What are you talking about?
	There's no difference.
	Everyone's got a right to live in Ireland.
	That's literally not the opinion of the Irish for the last hundred years.
	What were the troubles about if everyone got the right to live in Ireland?
	It's like the guy was saying that black people built all the buildings in Britain, all the roads in Britain.
	And there's a bloke in there saying, no, the Irish did it.
	By God, getting them to do any work was difficult.
	Anyway, so there have been vox pops of people on the street who just literally go out and ask, as you were saying about the disconnect between the average person and the political elite.
	The political elite feel that if someone in Parliament doesn't say, by the way, you need to be worried about all these migrants, then the average Irish person just won't think anything.
	I mean, you can go and ask them on the street, as we'll watch now.
	I wouldn't be in favour of it.
	Very scary, very scary.
	Wouldn't mind if women and children come and what, men?
	and you've heard the stories that's going on and being covered up and i'm just terrified of walking down the street now like i i wouldn't even go outside after a certain time of the day unless i was with people i think a lot of old people are going to be frightened of Their life is going to be frightened now because with these economic migrants coming in, we don't know who they are, we don't know where they're from, we don't know what they've done in other countries.
	It's like that murder-dashling Murphy, right?
	He was, he had done something in another country, underage sex with another child.
	He's been on the radar, the Garda radar and all, right?
	And there we have a girl murdered for no reason, that was just out taking a run.
	We've other people up in Mayo that were beheaded.
	Like, and the children then that was stabbed.
	I mean, these are all economic migrants that are doing this, right?
	So as you can see, people are rightly concerned because of murders that have been committed by migrants.
	It's not irrational, it's not unusual, and it doesn't require anyone to tell them that they should be concerned.
	Like, these are things that are happening in their local communities.
	The Ashley Murphy thing was terrible.
	Because she was a young woman, she was walking home, and some Slovakian migrant, I think he was, just murdered her, started stabbing her in the throat.
	Is that because he came on to her and she refused him?
	I'm not even sure if he did that.
	I think it was just he was a murderer who had come from somewhere else, because a lot of them are fleeing crime.
	Loads of them.
	So we've got loads of foreign criminals coming in.
	Yes.
	And yet the media will say things like, well, it's just far-right agitation.
	Elon Musk's Platform X has fuelled far-right disinformation in Ireland.
	Experts say.
	That's what the experts tell CBS.
	Don't they know how stupid they look?
	Study finds, experts say.
	Yeah, I know.
	Polls revealed.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Do they?
	Unbelievable.
	And they say, well, false reports on social media had suggested the stabbings were carried out by an illegal immigrant.
	Hang on a second.
	No one said he was an illegal immigrant.
	They said he was an immigrant, because he was an immigrant.
	And they go, well, the alleged assailant is in fact a naturalized Irish citizen from Algeria.
	Oh, well.
	Well, if he's not illegal, then it's no problem.
	He was, yeah.
	Yes, he was.
	And he should have been deported a decade ago, but wasn't for some reason.
	If you're found with a knife on you, why aren't you in prison?
	Straight away.
	Unless you're a carpet fitter.
	You know, this is something that actually really bothers me because like, now it's like, yeah, I'm not even allowed to be armed.
	So hang on a second, I should be able to be armed if I want.
	Because other people are now.
	Exactly.
	But even if I, you know, even if I just feel the need to carry around a bloody sword or something, it's not like my ancestral right as an Englishman.
	You know what I mean?
	Like I should be armed, but now I can't be bloody armed because of all the stabbings that are going, you know?
	Yes.
	It's like, this is, this is bothering me.
	You know what I mean?
	And there's no good solution to it or anything like that.
	But there's something about it that I'm just like, you know, that's, No, I agree.
	I could never understand, is it the Second Amendment with the right to carry arms in America?
	I could never understand that and I understand it now.
	Oh yeah.
	I completely understand it.
	If the only people that have got guns are the people we don't trust at all, which is the government, then it's a serious situation to be in.
	Yeah, and if you get back like 20 or 30 years, I didn't feel so estranged from the government.
	I never liked them or anything like that, but I never felt like I was genuinely in danger of having my business taken away from me or being locked up at my home.
	But of course that happened.
	So now I'm starting to think, okay, maybe being armed might be a good Yeah, but also the thing is when I was a kid, and when I say kid, but only looking back say 10 years or so.
	Were you a kid 10 years ago?
	No, I know, but that's what I'm saying, I don't know.
	You could disagree with the government position.
	And you could disagree with, when I was a kid, it was Dennis Healey or whoever it was.
	But broadly speaking, when it came down to the wire, you thought the government was on your side.
	Even if you disagreed about certain issues about defence spending and social security, all that.
	But at the end of the day, they were on your side.
	I no longer feel that.
	Did that change with Blair?
	It changed with Blair.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to rub your nose in diversity.
	That was his thing.
	Yeah.
	And he is probably one of the most despicable people in public life.
	Yeah.
	No doubt about it.
	And he's benefited from criminal activity.
	Yeah.
	Well, yeah.
	Allegedly.
	The whole thing is just so obviously the state and its benefits are weighted against the British people.
	Yes.
	And in favour of foreigners.
	I'm sorry, that's just not right.
	No.
	That's just not right at all.
	Well, there's a thing in Hull.
	Yeah.
	They've just redeveloped a block called the Maltings for rent, for rental, for people to rental buy.
	And it's £1,400 a month to rent a flat in that block.
	Okay.
	In Hull, they have a big homeless problem.
	Yes.
	So what are we doing?
	Well, what we're doing is we're ignoring them and making sure we can make these nice flats for people to buy or rent.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But the thing is, the people who are going to buy them are going to be some sort of international housing developer, BlackRock or something.
	And then it will be social housing for foreigners.
	So you will be paying to house these people.
	Yeah, that's the interesting thing about the whole Saudi thing, who finance mosques to a huge extent.
	But the money they're using to do that has been money that's been paid to them by the West for the oil.
	So we're actually financing it, one way or the other.
	It's insane.
	Anyway, the next thing, of course, is people complaining that this is, oh, you're pandering to the far right.
	So far right, as far as I can tell, just means normal people.
	Obviously, childless, single, Irish woman.
	I mean it!
	Single women tend to be very left-wing, but married women tend to be very right-wing.
	And you can see the polls are on this.
	This is a very well-known phenomenon.
	And so, an unmarried, childless woman gets up and is like, oh, the far-right.
	The far-right means normal people, as far as I can tell.
	Does she actually say far-right?
	Oh yeah, of course.
	Where does she live?
	uh somewhere inireland yeah dublin i imagine i'll walk southwest i'll guarantee she lives nowhere near an area that's heavily affected by immigration i'll guarantee it absolutely yeah but but you know just getting oh it's the far right that are the problem the far right problem is it really far right the problem because i think they're the taxpayers it's it's not it's it's such a lazy expression it's like It's like anti-vaxxer, as you said earlier.
	It's a lazy expression.
	Same with Drexel.
	We had Ramonas and Gammons.
	I'm quite happy being a Gammon.
	That's fine, you know.
	One of my favourite foods.
	Yeah, absolutely, yes.
	But anyway, obviously the politicians are like, right, we're going to recruit these new people to be part of the police force.
	Why would you want that?
	You know, like these, like, cause in Ireland, mass immigration have not, has not been going on for like 25 years.
	Like it's been going on here for like three years or five years, something like that.
	So it's like, okay.
	So like the politicians are literally telling you, look, we're going to import a bunch of people and then put them in police force in charge of you.
	Well, this is, how's that good?
	This is not far from the Kalergi plan.
	I was just going to say that.
	Is it?
	I don't actually know anything about the Kalergi plan, but it looks colonial, right?
	It looks kind of colonial because if I go to Ireland, If I'm a foreigner to Ireland, if I go to Ireland, I expect the Irish police to be Irishmen.
	Yes.
	Weirdly enough.
	I know that sounds crazy.
	If I go to India, I expect it to be Indians.
	If I go to China, I expect it to be Chinese, etc, etc.
	But no, that's not apparently the opinion of the Irish Senate.
	They think, no, no, if I come to Ireland, I expect foreigners to be the police.
	So is this guy Michael O'Keefe, is he criticising it?
	Oh no, he's in favour of it.
	He's in favour of it.
	Oh no, sorry, no, Michael O'Keefe is criticising it.
	He's criticising it.
	The politician.
	It's from Sinn Féin.
	Right, yes.
	You see, the thing with foreigners is, again, that's a blanket expression that we're using, I think, to alienate too broad a scope of people.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's quite possible to be a foreigner, and it's quite possible to enjoy the country that you're living in, to believe in it, support it, and all that.
	So I don't have a problem with that.
	I really do have a problem with this blanket idea that all foreigners should be in the police.
	It was mooted the other day, there'd be a Muslim section of the Met. - Yes, well why do we need that? - Why do we need that?
	It's complete nonsense. - Is there a Christian section?
	- Yeah, exactly, exactly.
	So I think the other day, Geert Wilders was talking, and I know he's a bit of a Marmite guy, but one thing he thought, I think it's absolutely true.
	He said, people defending your own culture and your own sense of self and your own historical reality is not far right No, it's not.
	He's right about that.
	I think he's absolutely right about that.
	And I think, in a way, the Islamist events that we see in London with public praying and the whole thing, it's a kind of colonialism, is what it is.
	It's just colonialism under another name.
	Is there a reason why they've been praying in the streets?
	And not in the many mosques they have.
	Because we don't see Hindus doing that.
	It looks like an expression of power.
	It's intimidation.
	It's the equivalent of putting a flag.
	This we can do.
	I just think it's a weird thing.
	Especially as Christians aren't allowed to.
	It's very odd.
	The other day I said, you know they're all bending over?
	So I said, I'm just not in the mood for anal sex today.
	Moving on!
	We'll watch this because this is great.
	He's lying isn't he?
	Oh you can tell he's lying.
	But this is amazing.
	This is total delusion coming out of the Irish Senate.
	My answer to your reasonable debate.
	Immigration is not a problem.
	Immigration is not responsible for the housing crisis, contrary to what is in this motion.
	We had a historic housing crisis before Putin invaded Ukraine, before the increase in the number of asylum seekers.
	Immigration is not responsible for the healthcare crisis in this country.
	In fact, without immigration, the healthcare crisis would get a lot worse.
	Immigration is not responsible for crime.
	There is no evidence to link immigration or asylum seeking to any increase in crime.
	It's just nonsense.
	Immigrants don't live in houses, they don't get sick, and they never get divorced.
	It's just not... But also, how do you drag Putin into it?
	Well, because they took something like 60 or 80,000 Ukrainian refugees.
	Right, okay.
	Who are women and children.
	Which is of course, the Ukrainians... Yeah, exactly, which is totally fine.
	Yeah.
	Because the Ukrainians are like, men are not allowed to leave because we're fighting a war.
	Yeah.
	And so this is why, like, whenever this conversation comes up, I'm like, yeah, we can take Ukrainian refugees, obviously.
	Yeah.
	Because A, they probably want to go home eventually.
	B, they actually have a war.
	Yes.
	Like, you know, all these guys from, like, Syria or Somalia, you guys aren't coming from wars.
	Yeah.
	You know, you haven't been invaded by anyone.
	And the one place in the world that we're actually taking refugees from, and these people are being, like, edged out by a bunch of adventurous young men.
	So why is it?
	Why is it?
	I'm just really confused trying to find the, you know, the Quibono thing.
	Who benefits from this?
	Well, See, this is, this is, this is why I take particular exemption from people criticizing the phrase diversity is our strength.
	No, no, no.
	Well, that's the thing, right?
	No, no, it's not our strength, but it is their strength, right?
	Because the important part is the first person plural.
	Who is our, when they say our, because I don't feel like I'm part of their gang.
	I bet he feels like part of Sadiq Khan's gang, right?
	He feels like they're on the same team.
	Yeah.
	And so Sadiq Khan's like, diversity is our strength.
	It's like, well, yeah, it might be your strength because it keeps everyone divided and at each other's throats and powerless to resist.
	Yeah, it's a good point.
	The managerial regime you're bringing in.
	But it's not mine as a sort of native British person's strength.
	This is obviously doing damage to the country.
	But it's a loaded saying, isn't it?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's said to cause hostility, to give the impression that if you don't agree with it, You must be a racist or you're this or that.
	Well, this was the Andrew Lawrence thing with the penalty taker back in the day when that football match.
	Yes.
	When the black player missed the penalty.
	And he mentioned it.
	Yes.
	And he got in trouble.
	And he got into serious trouble.
	They cancelled his gigs, cancelled it.
	Agent left.
	It was ridiculous.
	But the thing, I think what it is, when they say diversity is our strength, I think that's the globalists.
	Rallying together?
	It's a good point.
	I've never thought about that.
	We're the hour.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I really think, because I've heard it so many times, I've had to think about it a lot.
	Yeah, you're right.
	But anyway, let's check to see if he's correct.
	Is Ireland's healthcare doing well?
	No, actually it's totally clogged up.
	Yeah.
	Unbelievable.
	That there'd be a massive amount of over-demand for the Irish health service.
	Medicine shortages massively up.
	86%!
	I know, right?
	It's terrible.
	And the government actually can't accommodate all the asylum seekers.
	They literally don't have accommodation.
	So there is a housing issue.
	It turns out there might be a housing issue.
	It turns out, you know, misinformation.
	Who was that idiot speaking?
	He's on the right side of history, you see.
	Is he?
	Apparently.
	I've been told this many times.
	To say these very nice sounding lies is putting you on the right side of history.
	So the thing is, they were like, right, what are we going to do about the fact that actually we don't have enough houses?
	They're like, well, we can just get a bunch of tents and put foreigners on the streets.
	That's what everybody wants, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	So pretty.
	That solved the problem.
	The thing we discovered the other day was they do this with prisoners that leave prison sometimes.
	Yes, they can do that.
	When they don't have accommodation for them, they put them in tents.
	Yeah.
	So it wouldn't affect mental health at all.
	No, exactly.
	So 12,000 applicants arrived last year in Ireland and they don't have enough places and so they're just giving them tents and shoving them on the streets.
	And that's why there's no housing problem.
	When I was like, you know, migrants don't live in houses in Ireland.
	I mean, maybe they're right.
	Maybe I was right.
	I thought I was being sarcastic.
	But actually this seems to be the case.
	But anyway, we'll leave that there.
	Ireland, just, it's not going to go well.
	We know.
	Your housing will go through the roof.
	Your healthcare will go through the roof.
	Everything goes badly because just too many people.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Is any of this coming from Brussels because they're still in the EU?
	Are there limits to what they can actually do?
	You know, I don't think it needs to come from Brussels.
	For the past couple of weeks I've been following Irish politics a lot more closely than I normally do.
	And one thing that's become very apparent is the ruling class of Ireland are just totally bought into the globalist narrative.
	They believe it.
	They've been banging the table.
	And the thing is, in most other Western countries, you've got like a mask that they put up, right?
	And they try to imply that actually we've just got to, it's our charitable duty.
	But in Ireland, the political class seems so inept that they forgot to put the mask on.
	And so they just tell you straight out, no, no, no, we're going to get all of these foreign people and you're going to pay for it.
	It's like, no, no, you don't say that.
	Because that sounds terrible.
	That's terrible optics.
	You know, but the Irish and that's why Ireland's been a really great example of this, because these guys are obviously like rushing to catch up with the rest of the world.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is this issue.
	I mean, five years ago, nobody talked about immigration.
	No, but you know, and I remember the days when Cameron was talking about 10,000 a year, max.
	Yes.
	Can you imagine that now?
	And now I know Nigel Farage is a bit of a, you know, Marmite again.
	Love him or hate him.
	Big fan.
	He's doing great in the jungle.
	He is.
	He's going to win that.
	When he first went in, I thought, this isn't going to go well.
	I mean, his PR people know a lot more than I do.
	Me too.
	I don't watch mainstream TV, so I haven't seen it, but I'm told he's playing a big part.
	I watched his rendition of I'm Too Sexy, which was brilliant.
	It was absolutely brilliant.
	I'm so glad I got you on for this.
	But yeah, no, I don't watch mainstream TV either.
	So I actually had to go on their website and start watching.
	So do I. But the thing is, Franz is doing great actually, but he's just coming across as very personable and just having some good time.
	And so like the average person, I'm like following all the Facebook pages of like ITV and stuff like that.
	And so you look through the comments, it's all pro for us.
	The public just generally seems to be quite on side with him.
	Obviously they felt that, well he felt, or his PR people felt, that there's a side to him that you will not see when he's being interviewed by Channel 4 or whatever.
	Yeah, we've met a few times, had dinner with him.
	He's a nice guy.
	We've had some other people with us and he was very affable and you have speakers you find.
	He's a very charming chap, seems fairly normal.
	You know, after 25 years in politics, if you can still be normal like that, you must be doing something.
	And he's very self-deprecatory, you know, taking his shirt off thing.
	Can you imagine Sunak doing that or front bench stuck up people, you know?
	Never.
	Anyway, Sunak couldn't because of his nipple test.
	Speaking of Rishi Sena, let's talk about how immigration is going to bring down the Tories.
	Yes, it will do.
	But before we begin, if you want to support us, go and sign up to our website and go watch this interview with Eric Kaufman.
	Nipple tassels!
	Who doesn't have nipple tassels, I've heard of good authority, but he is a professor and the adjunct fellow at the Manhattan Institute and Center for Heterodox Social Science at the University of Buckingham.
	Right.
	And he deals with demographics in his career and he is an absolute expert on the subject.
	It's a real pleasure to have him come in and Talk to Conor about how actually we really need to start thinking about getting a handle on this immigration issue, because it really is the only political issue that matters at the moment.
	Because if it touches everything else, that's the problem.
	Because, I mean, most of our infrastructure was built in like the 70s.
	And that was when the country was 55 million people.
	Now it's somewhere north of 70.
	I got kicked out of school when I was 15, so I do not understand.
	Manosphere misconception.
	What the hell is that?
	That's actually on the internet.
	So don't worry, you wouldn't have learned about that in school.
	So basically there's a section online of dispossessed men who feel that they've been hard done by by society and the state when it comes to relationships.
	And if you look at the way that the courts deal with fathers, remember fathers for justice?
	I do, very well.
	Toastly legitimate complaints and yet the problem still persists because for some reason fathers actually don't deserve a fair shake in the courts for something.
	Yes, it's absolutely atrocious.
	And so the, the, the, the manosphere is an area of the internet where people who have been hard done by, by the system have coalesced and said, right, okay, it is the entire concept of dating and marriage that is the problem.
	And that's not the case.
	It's the fact that it's being unevenly dealt with in society.
	And so this is a discussion trying to rectify some of their misapprehension.
	Right, okay.
	We're obviously a very pro sort of family podcast.
	Yes.
	We think you should get married, have kids, buy a house, be happy, you know?
	Right, yeah.
	And the Manosphere, I am genuinely sympathetic to how they arrived, where they've arrived, but I don't agree with their message.
	Right, right.
	So that's what that one's about.
	Go watch that as well, it's really good as well.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But anyway, so how do you guys feel about the Rwanda plan?
	It's a sticking plaster for a massive wound.
	Mental!
	I don't actually know that much about it apart from shipping loads of immigrants back to, well not back to, but over to Rwanda which strikes me.
	Have Rwanda had any say in what The immigrants had any say in this whatsoever.
	I wouldn't think Rwandans have.
	No.
	The Rwandan government is obviously going to make a pile.
	Well, get paid.
	Get paid.
	Well, they did get paid.
	We've already paid 150 million pounds to take a bunch of immigrants from us.
	I'd like to go and see what sort of cars some of the politicians in Rwanda are now driving around in.
	Amazingly nice ones, I'm going to guess.
	But basically, the Rwanda plan was a scheme that the Conservative government cooked up to exchange immigrants with Rwanda.
	So they're illegal immigrants, we would take some of them, and they would take some of ours.
	What's that going to achieve?
	Exactly, we haven't solved anything.
	We've paid £150 million for the privilege, but of course this got shot down by the Supreme Court in November.
	For anyone who's not aware, the Supreme Court came about in 2009, so it needs to be liquidated.
	It's a Blairite institution.
	I have t-shirts, I think this shirt might be old in the Supreme Court.
	And ironically it needs to go, we don't need a Supreme Court.
	But of course they shot this down because they were like, oh well they could be sent to countries where they could face harm.
	We're sending them to Rwanda, how much worse can it get?
	Exactly!
	So the government has been trying to get around this, and what's interesting is the Rwandan government, because there's been such an absolute catastrophe about this, the Rwandan government has apparently said that, you know what, we're actually thinking about liquidating this agreement, now that you've paid us the 150 million.
	It's always been important to both Rwanda and the UK that our rule of law partnership meets the highest standards of international law and places obligations on both the UK and Rwanda to act lawfully.
	Without lawful behaviour by the UK, Rwanda would not be able to continue with the Migration and Economic Development Partnership.
	So that's a fancy way of saying...
	Yeah, we might pull out of that.
	Right.
	You've paid us 150 million.
	Yeah, thanks for that.
	Yeah, maybe that's not our problem anymore.
	See you in the Camelon.
	Country decides the deal is too toxic.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	The UK is being called unlawful by Rwanda.
	We're just trying to play catch up here.
	The horse is so far down the lane and the stable door is bolted.
	It's just a joke.
	For anyone who doesn't know, last year the Conservatives let in 1.2 million legal immigrants and we're quibbling over 100,000 illegally.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's like the southern border in America.
	It's just the whole thing is staggeringly inept.
	Yeah.
	And the Conservatives, for some reason, I mean, the Conservatives at any point, because they've got a majority in Parliament, an absolute majority in Parliament, they can just go out and say, right, what legislation are they using to stay here?
	Repealed, repealed, repealed, repealed.
	To get rid of all this Blairite legislation that allows them to take advantage.
	You remember when Boris was complaining about the lefty human rights lawyers?
	Well, repeal the law.
	That's their entire career over.
	But the Conservatives are not serious about solving it.
	Anyway, so in light of all of this, the Conservative Immigration Minister resigned.
	I didn't realise I was an immigration minister.
	I assumed we just had a totally open border.
	What was his name?
	Oh, Robert Jenricks.
	Yeah, I'd never even heard of him.
	So I was like, oh wow, we had someone who was apparently in control of immigration.
	You think the government would have heard of him?
	I don't know.
	But she's like, who's this guy?
	Who's this guy?
	But anyway, he put out a very long statement attacking Rishi Sunak in the most flowery of language.
	But the important part was where he says, however, we said we would stop the boats altogether.
	Again, if we can't stop a couple of dinghies coming across the channel, then we've got nothing.
	See, now he's signed it.
	Yours ever.
	That is weird, isn't it?
	Yeah, no kisses.
	I don't even think you mean it.
	But he says, this is what the public rightfully demands and expects from us.
	We must truly mean we will do whatever it takes to deliver this commitment when we say so.
	Again, you could have done it.
	All of this could have been done.
	You're just not prepared to do it.
	No, exactly.
	I just think that we've become so squeamish.
	Incredibly squeamish about causing offence to anybody.
	And you can see that the other day in Manchester, when that guy was arrested, and the crowd got around the thing, and then they let him go.
	We have no spine in this country, and I think we've forgotten exactly what's important and what isn't.
	Well, during the freedom marches, what was happening, Happening, because we chatted with some friends the other day who were on the freedom marches we went on, the anti-lockdown marches.
	Coppers were throwing people in the back of their vans, driving a few miles down the M4, and kicking them out again.
	And so they just had to make a repair to do it then, you know?
	But that's the thing, isn't it?
	It's like, look, we actually still have a naval power.
	We are actually a naval power still, even in this emaciated state.
	Like, what we would do is just have a boat that goes out, puts a hook on one of the dinghies, and just sails it straight back to France.
	Just dump them off.
	And if the French are like, oh, well, that's not lawful.
	So?
	You know, it's not lawful for you to allow them to come.
	The thing is now, what you'd have is you'd have squeals of horror in the UK from certain groups of people who are not affected by With illegal immigration, obviously there was clearly an issue for lots of countries.
	Why aren't the Middle East stepping up?
	They don't want them.
	Lots of wealthy countries there.
	Interestingly, I saw, I think it was like some Emir from Qatar or something like that, who was literally in some conference at some World Economic Forum style thing.
	And he was just like, I'm going to say this in English because I want the English speaking world to understand.
	You are taking our scum, our refuse.
	I've seen that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I saw it go around Twitter.
	It's like, you know, and this was something like 2017, something like that.
	It wasn't very recent, but it still obviously applies.
	It's like you're taking the people we think are bad people and we don't want in our countries.
	You shouldn't be taking them for your own good.
	I don't know why you're doing it.
	And it's just like, Out of the mouths of babes and children.
	No, but that guy, he's not like, he's not against the West.
	No, no, no.
	He's totally like, look, we actually don't want you to collapse.
	Stop taking our scum.
	We'll put them in jail.
	He called them scum, didn't he?
	I don't think he was scumming.
	He sounded like refuse or trash or something.
	Oh, OK.
	Essentially the same thing, you know.
	He's not upbeat, was he?
	No, no, no.
	It's like the guy at the climate change thing, who suddenly stands up and says there's no such thing as global warming.
	Yes.
	Have you seen that?
	I haven't seen that.
	The Sheik, from COP 28.
	He lives in a desert!
	He talks about there is no data to support getting rid of fossil fuels.
	That's right.
	I think that's what he says.
	Obviously he would say that coming from an oil producing nation.
	He's in favour of that.
	He left his top oil t-shirt at home, I think.
	More bits that we're going to have to cut from YouTube.
	Anyway, so Rishi Sunak actually responded to this in a public letter, which, that seems like a position of weakness to me.
	He, of course, tries to big his bill up going, oh, this is the toughest piece of legal migration legislation ever put forward by UK government, which tells you everything about how soft UK governments have been for quite some time.
	And then shortly after this, Sweller-Braveman came out and gave what is being called her rivers of blood speech.
	I've seen it.
	It's not nearly that dramatic.
	It's not.
	But she's obviously right on every point here.
	And she can say this because she's not in the cabinet.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Once again, fire her twice.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But there's a... I mean, I suppose we'll play a little bit of it, just because it's quite good, to be honest.
	Things have fallen by 30%.
	The number of illegal Albanian arrivals down by 90%.
	And we were starting to close down asylum hotels.
	But Madam Deputy Speaker, crossings are down is not the same as stopping the boats.
	And as Home Secretary, I consistently advocated for legislative measures that would have secured the delivery of our Rwanda partnership as soon as the Bill became law.
	Last summer, Following defeat in the Court of Appeal, I advised that we should scrap rather than continue passage of the Illegal Migration Act Bill in favour of a more robust alternative that excluded international and human rights laws.
	When that was rejected, I urged that we needed to work up a credible plan B in the event of a Supreme Court loss.
	Following defeat In the Supreme Court, the Prime Minister has finally agreed to introduce emergency legislation, and I welcome his decision.
	But Madam Deputy Speaker, it is now three weeks on from that judgment, and we are yet to see a bill.
	I'm told its publication is imminent, but we are running out of time.
	This is an emergency, and we need to see the bill now.
	Madam Deputy Speaker, my deeper concern, however, relates to the substance of what may be in that Bill.
	Previous attempts have failed because they did not address the root cause of the problem.
	Expansive human rights laws flowing from the European Convention on Human Rights, replicated in Labour's Human Rights Act, are being interpreted elastically by courts, domestic and foreign, to literally prevent our Rwanda plan from getting off the ground.
	And this problem relates to so much more than just illegal arrivals.
	From my time as Home Secretary, I can say that the same human rights framework is producing insanities that the public would scarcely believe.
	Foreign terrorists we can't deport because of their human rights.
	Terrorists we have to let back in because of their human rights.
	Foreign rapists and paedophiles who should have been removed but are released back into the community only to re-offend.
	Yep, because of their human rights.
	Violent criminals pulled off deportation flights at the last minute thanks to the help of Labour MPs, free to wander the streets and commit further horrific crimes including murder.
	Protestors let off the hook for tearing down statues and gluing themselves to roads.
	And our brave military veterans harassed through the courts some 40 years after their service.
	Madam Deputy Speaker, it is no secret That I support leaving the European Convention on Human Rights and replacing the Human Rights Act with a British Bill of Rights that protects the vulnerable and our national security and finishes the job of Brexit by extricating us from the foreign court and restores real parliamentary supremacy.
	We'll leave that there, because I think she's making some great points.
	I agree.
	And what the Conservatives could literally do tomorrow, because they have the absolute majority, at any point they could do this.
	And Sweller-Braveman appears to be the only Conservative Brave enough to stand up and say, well, look, you knew this was doomed because of the ECHR laws that were above you.
	So why do anything?
	Because you knew you were going to run into that ceiling and get knocked down every single time.
	Yeah.
	And they really are a bunch of useless articles.
	They are.
	Absolutely.
	I mean, they are their incompetence.
	And I mean, it's been highlighted through obviously through Covid.
	With the Andrew Bridgen thing.
	Yeah.
	Spoke volumes.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the idea that you can actually have an opinion and people will support that opinion, but they don't, without you having to agree with it, that seems to be gone as well.
	Yeah, I think the thing is, I think, I mean, I agree with a lot of what she's saying.
	Yeah.
	But for me, the bigger picture hints at something else, which is that the people in charge, a lot of those people there have absolutely no interest in ordinary people.
	None at all.
	You know what's interesting about this is they also have no interest in actually governing No, it's just one thing.
	If we were governed by a bunch of evil tyrants, at least they would have an interest in governing their own country.
	But these aren't evil, even evil tyrants.
	These are actually just useless eaters.
	If they were evil tyrants, I'd be like, okay, well, at least I know who's pulling the strings.
	But they're not even that.
	They're like, and this is the thing with like the subsidiary authority because Braveman ends their speech by saying, well, who actually governs the UK?
	Yeah.
	Is it parliament?
	It's not parliament.
	That's the point.
	That's why we have basically incompetent people.
	Like if we have like, you know, Tony Blair, as much as I dislike him, at least seemed like the guy who was pulling the strings.
	Right.
	You know, he may have been an evil genius, but at least he was in charge of doing the things, you know, but this, like when you have like, okay, well, no, we're going to, we're going to outsource responsibility to higher and higher bodies that are further and further away.
	Then the people who are closest to us are just incompetence.
	Yeah.
	Just sit there getting fat on our largest, nothing.
	Yeah.
	Well, I was never a fan of Margaret Thatcher particularly, but one thing I never felt that she was working with somebody else.
	I never felt that.
	Yeah.
	I always felt she was working right or wrong, working for the country.
	Exactly.
	I felt that with Tony Blair.
	Yeah.
	Initially.
	I hated Tony Blair, but at least I thought he was, you know, in charge of his own mind.
	Yeah.
	I think something's happened to him though.
	Well, yeah.
	Something really bad has happened.
	I mean, that is some sort of weird position.
	Yeah, it is.
	Something very odd's got into him.
	Yes.
	I think he realizes how many mistakes he's made.
	Yeah, I'm trying to make up for it.
	In a way, yeah.
	So anyway, moving on with this one quickly.
	Apparently, there have been a bunch of no-confidence letters that have been sent in about Sunak recently, but I couldn't find any good reporting on this.
	Right.
	I don't trust left foot forward, so I'm just going to skip over that.
	Okay.
	But Sunak apparently has said to his MPs, look, back me or lose.
	It's like, well, yeah, back you and lose.
	You don't look to the bloody polls.
	Well, he thinks if they don't have him, they'll lose the election.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Rishi, bless.
	I know, bless.
	I mean, Brave Moon's like, look, you've got a problem with magical thinking, Rishi.
	Yeah.
	It's like, yeah, it seems that way.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely seems that way.
	Back me or lose.
	I mean, really?
	Does he really?
	You see, he doesn't believe that.
	He can't.
	He doesn't believe that.
	No, he doesn't.
	He can't believe that.
	Don't they just read a press release?
	They go, yeah, I'll read that.
	Yeah.
	Incidentally, Sinek gave this press conference at 11 o'clock today.
	He is definitely trying to get to the point where he can do his thing.
	He says, we're completely disapplying all the relevant sections of the Human Rights Act.
	Why don't you just do what Braveman said and replace it?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	You could get a lawyer to write up a new thing.
	Yeah.
	And then just replace it.
	You can have it done by this afternoon.
	Yeah.
	You know, you literally just need one vote to get back.
	Do you have to then take on board that then you'd have to go down the road of believing him?
	Exactly.
	That's the point.
	You know, would you?
	Yeah, exactly.
	It could not be more crystal clear.
	Look, this is the problem.
	It's still in place.
	And you're like, yeah, but I'm gonna do everything up until that line.
	It's like, okay, but why won't you go over that line?
	Yeah.
	Because you don't want to.
	Or it just doesn't have the power.
	Well, yeah.
	Other people are in his ear.
	And then you get, again, to Braveman's point, well, who really controls this country?
	If it's not the supremacy in Parliament, who is it?
	Yeah, exactly.
	But the thing is, when he was being questioned by the journalists, he seemed very weak and combative, as if he's been fought into a corner.
	And he was, like, almost pleading with them.
	It's like, sorry.
	On this?
	Yeah, on this.
	Oh, I can see a bit.
	Yeah, we can.
	Yeah, we can.
	Up towards the end.
	That's the volume.
	Yeah, you were there.
	You were there.
	Go back.
	Oh, don't worry.
	Um, yeah.
	Okay.
	Just trust me on it.
	He's generally agreed that he's a twat.
	Yeah, but he came across as very weak and I, uh, I thought that was good.
	Um, but, uh, it's all right, John.
	Let's go to the next one.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, so I thought we'd talk a little bit about what it is he's in defense of.
	For some reason, and he knows, he's been shot down by the Supreme Court, which he could dissolve.
	He's been shot down by the legislation, which he should repeal.
	He has got nothing done, and his Rwanda plan is not going to work.
	And this is what it's costing us.
	It's costing us $3 billion a year.
	Three billion a year to put these guys in hotels.
	That's a lot of money, man.
	But the thing is, this is just the ones who are in hotels.
	But the problem is way worse than you think.
	So you have Matt Goodwin going on GB News and saying, well, look, 50% of social housing is occupied by people who aren't British.
	And of course, people go, oh, that's not true.
	Actually, it's only 47%.
	I actually went through all of the data.
	So you can actually go through the census data.
	So I put out just a couple of pie charts based on the data.
	So in the whole of the UK, you have about 4 million people who are in social housing.
	So the government is paying them to live in a house.
	Of those people, 20% or 800,000 are not born in the UK.
	800,000 are not born in the UK.
	Right.
	And in London, that is a lot of people.
	And in London, it's like that.
	So you have about 800,000 in total, 414,000 are UK born, 376,000 are foreign born.
	50-50 pretty much.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's what Matt Goodwin is talking about.
	So he was being a little bit imprecise with what he was saying there, but basically, yes, there is a massive problem.
	And I just want to be clear, I just think the number of people on social housing who are foreign born should be zero.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Sorry, you don't come to our country and get our government to pay for your house.
	Especially in London.
	Yeah.
	Imagine how much that's costing.
	I can't afford to live in London.
	No, exactly.
	We moved out of London for that very reason.
	Yeah.
	And when I moved to Spain, I had to step up and show that I could afford, that I was claiming that I am who I am.
	And you could afford to buy a house?
	Yeah, bank account records, everything.
	And I spent a lot of money in Spain.
	We had cleaners and Yeah.
	People helped out and relocation agencies and I bought cars and spent a lot of money there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And what I liked about it is they wanted to know, well, all right, you can come here.
	What are you bringing?
	Yeah.
	I think that's a legitimate question.
	It's a bit like me trying to get a job in Spain in a restaurant without any Spanish.
	Yes.
	You know, you have to be part of the culture that you're in or leave.
	Quite simple.
	And it is so totally reasonable for a country to say, no, actually, we're not going to pay for you to live here.
	I mean, I don't want the country paying for our own people to live here.
	No.
	I want them to get jobs.
	You know, but let alone, okay, I've just moved over and I want, I mean, again, in London of, of all the places and it things like a load of these are in the, or not a percentage of these are in the city of London.
	So have you been to the city of London?
	There aren't tower blocks there.
	There aren't flats.
	Where are they living in the blue city of London?
	How much does that cost?
	If I were to buy or rent a place in the city of London, it'd be like 10 grand a week.
	Yeah.
	Like, Very expensive, unbelievable.
	It is, I know.
	And so this is another three and a half billion a year that we're spending on foreign-born people.
	That's an extraordinary amount of money.
	It's staggering.
	We're just saying they're just numbers, right?
	But that's three million million.
	There's so much money.
	Think of how that could be spent.
	We work with local homeless charities and trying to get any help.
	One local charity applied to the lottery for money.
	Can't get it from the government.
	That's all money that could be used on reducing my taxes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, they take all the security off stations, they take security off the trains, they take security off the streets.
	Have you looked at the state of the trains?
	I mean, really, come on.
	What's interesting, there's a local restaurateur that we know quite well, and he's Muslim.
	He came over about 30 years ago.
	He has worked his nuts off.
	Exactly.
	He's just bought the property opposite his shop, bought the whole building.
	He works really, really hard and he's angry about what's going on.
	He said, yeah, I came over legally.
	I've worked my nuts off and what's, and I'm not being, um, I'm not being, what's the word I'm looking for?
	Respected?
	Respected.
	Yeah.
	I used to, I used to live above an Indian restaurant and the guy who owned the restaurant came over in like the eighties.
	He was exactly the same.
	He was exactly as furious.
	He's like, look, A, these guys are scum.
	B, why are you giving them money?
	I didn't.
	I had to pay for this guy.
	I had to work and he had a beautiful restaurant, you know?
	And it's like, and that's fine.
	Great.
	So a guy comes over, he's going to work hard.
	And the thing is, if we merely restricted it to the people who are prepared to work hard, then immigration is going to fall off a cliff.
	Because so many of these people are clearly not planning to work hard.
	Most of our friends aren't in the music industry.
	They're in restaurant, hospitality, or builders, or whatever.
	And all those industries have a high input of immigrants.
	And all of them have worked really hard to get where they are.
	They own restaurants, they've got construction firms.
	And they're beginning to get pretty ticked off that they've seen people just basically fast track.
	Because that's what's happening.
	There's Martin, who's a local guy that we know who's a painter and decorator.
	As an example of how the state treats ordinary people, his van had broken down.
	So he was using his car to transport all his paints and bits and pieces to the next job.
	And the police stopped him because he didn't have a commercial license.
	It's for one job?
	For one job.
	You know, and then he opens the paper and looks at this.
	Yeah.
	And there are going to be so many people in this country who are working without licenses.
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	It's infuriating.
	Well, you have to have people in the House, in government, who really, really give a crap about ordinary people.
	And they don't.
	And so does Labour.
	That's what's so surprising about Andrew Bridger.
	What do you think of him?
	Yeah.
	He is very Focused on this subject yeah, yeah, and and I think we'll probably McCulloch and yeah, well the other guys of course.
	Yeah, I've been I'm in a Yeah, you're politician.
	Yeah, yeah, and just to be clear.
	There's no way in hell.
	We're gonna be endorsing labor.
	Oh The architects of all just gonna make them worse Stupid man, hey, hey, hey, you know, he's like 99% of women.
	is stupid man hey hey hey you know he's not 99 of women it's that one percent of her penises he's a bit confused yeah what in the state The state of our country!
	I know.
	But it wasn't always like this as well.
	That's the thing.
	A lot of the young people these days, they don't realise that the country wasn't always shared.
	No, it wasn't.
	And also, we used to have, there were politicians, I didn't agree with John Smith, but he was a serious politician.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I didn't agree with Dennis Healey, but he was a serious politician.
	Yes.
	All these people were serious people, you know.
	Back in the day, they used to reside, if it wasn't, like Robin Cook.
	Yeah.
	Was it Robin Cook?
	Robin Cook, yeah.
	They resided on principle.
	Yeah.
	Where's that?
	Yeah, and I remember they were talking about Peter Shaw.
	Peter Shaw's wife was talking after he died.
	And she said in the house, he was probably the only one who had actually read the Treaty of Rome.
	Really?
	She said our flat was just littered.
	You couldn't see the carpet.
	Yeah.
	Now, there's whatever you think.
	If you don't, parts of me I agree with and parts of me I don't.
	But whatever you think, he was a thinking politician who was committed to looking after the British people.
	If you could put some of those people in the room with each other.
	Yeah.
	The mincemeat Tony Benn would make of - Yeah, exactly. - Or Peter Shawwood, or Harold Wilson.
	- Yeah, yeah. - Or even Marjorie Thatcher, whatever you think of these people, they could stand their ground. - Yeah. - And I made this point a while ago, 'cause you can literally just go on YouTube and watch old interviews from the '60s, '70s, and '80s, and listen to the politicians talking, And it wasn't just the rote propaganda.
	Exactly.
	No.
	They would thoughtfully answer questions.
	We had a higher caliber of politicians 30, 40 years ago.
	And we have declined.
	Oh, it's dreadful.
	It's palpable.
	Yeah, it is.
	I know, I know.
	Exemplified with Dianne Abbott.
	Yes.
	I thought when they do that sketch on No Countdown, it was Dianne Abbott doing the math.
	Oh, you've got to laugh.
	I tell you, I just can't believe Diane Abbott was actually pictured in public with two left shoes on.
	Yes, she was.
	Yes, she wasn't.
	She was?
	Yes, she was.
	I'm not even joking.
	No, no.
	Some time ago, yeah.
	Two left shoes.
	I've never seen them.
	I'm not even joking.
	I'm just like, how does that happen?
	No.
	How do you... That's got to be protocol.
	It's not.
	I swear to God, it's not.
	Seriously.
	I'm not even joking.
	It's like, you know, I'm not good at maths either, but I can at least get the right shoes on in the morning.
	You have a knickers on that side of your dresser.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Um, yeah.
	Hackney Abbott there for you folks.
	Oh Lord.
	Anyway.
	Uh, yeah, here we go.
	But like, it's one thing having mismatched shoes, but it'd be a right and a left.
	And ironically, two left shoes.
	Oh, bless her.
	Bless her.
	And they're not the same shoe.
	They're not the same shoe, but they're both the same.
	Oh, good lord.
	That's how left-wing Diane Abbott is.
	She refuses to wear a right shoe.
	The different shoes completely, look.
	Which I'd understand if it was like a right shoe and a left shoe.
	Yes, yes.
	Okay, fair enough.
	I've not done it myself.
	I've done that with trainers.
	I could understand.
	I haven't done it.
	I've got black trainers that are really similar.
	Yeah, fair enough.
	Yeah.
	Easy enough mistake to make.
	But two left ones, Diane, honestly.
	Anyway.
	Poor thing.
	Let's go to some comments.
	Yeah.
	I think we've got a video comment.
	This is funny.
	I'm too sexy for my love Too sexy for my love Love's going to leave me Sexy for my shirt Too sexy for my shirt So sexy it hurts So sexy!
	Have you been watching this?
	I have it He's going to nail it.
	He's nailing it.
	I'm sorry.
	He is.
	I was wrong, because I tweeted about it.
	I thought it was a big mistake.
	You know, blah, blah, blah.
	But as Fred said, his PR people and him knew exactly what he was doing.
	Yeah, they've done it.
	Absolutely.
	So far, they've been thoughtless.
	The left must be absolutely... I've seen it!
	There was that stupid woman on TV, Lorraine Kelly, slagging him off.
	When you go down that road, you better be careful.
	You've got no skeletons in your car.
	It was about how he looked in the shower.
	It was a physical thing.
	The guy did that about a woman in the shower.
	Can you imagine?
	Absolutely.
	And she's no... Kate Moss.
	Yeah, but it was uncalled for.
	Why do you need to make that nasty comment?
	You could have just said, well, going back to the immigration thing, immigration wouldn't be even up for discussion if it wasn't for Farage.
	He's been pointing at that for years now.
	And whatever you think of him, and I have my misgivings in certain areas about certain things, but on the immigration issue, he has called it, I think.
	And like I said earlier, it is the issue.
	It is.
	It's going to be at the next election.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Anyway, Jerome says, I proposed to my girlfriend yesterday.
	I'm getting married.
	Well, congratulations.
	Oh, well done, Jerome.
	Well done.
	Tech Heresy says, regarding the genocide of the Jews, from the river to the sea, not a call for genocide.
	Men aren't women.
	Clear call for genocide.
	Logic.
	Yes, that's another thing is that if you if you don't affirm transgenderism in all its forms, you want to genocide all trans people.
	Yeah, apparently.
	Breaking news.
	Okay, breaking news.
	But saying death to all Jews is not a call for genocide.
	It's contextual.
	Sean says it is really angering to see a congressperson arguing against freedom of speech and arguing to have publicly funded private institutions limit people's speech.
	The problem is this is not equally applied.
	The speech is limited depending on who is saying it and who it's about.
	It's true.
	And that's exactly the problem.
	I believe that university people are in line with the Supreme Court's ruling that a call for genocide or violence is a protected speech as long as it's not targeting a specific person.
	Now, that's a very bold statement.
	Say, actually, maybe they should be like, no, but it's not evenly applied.
	To be honest with you, I can see why that wouldn't be accepted.
	Yes.
	I'm quite a free speech absolutist.
	Maybe saying we should kill all of those people.
	I don't think you can cite hate and violence.
	No.
	Yeah, free speech comes with a responsibility.
	It does.
	Yes, it does.
	I think calling for genocide probably isn't really.
	I don't think it's a good idea.
	I'm prepared to limit free speech at that point.
	Yes, it's the old fire in a crowded theatre thing.
	That's not true, actually.
	Is it not true?
	No, that's a weird canard, because it sounds like it should be true, but it's not.
	You can yell fire in a crowded theatre.
	But you shouldn't.
	You shouldn't, yeah, exactly.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Well, there we go, that's a different thing.
	You shouldn't, and obviously you shouldn't.
	But, you know, I'm not going to get on the high horse of like, oh, well, you know, I should have my right to call for genocide on a university campus.
	Be realistic.
	Be sensible about these things.
	Also, as we said, if someone stood up and applied that to gays, Asian communities, white people, whatever, whoever, you just can't do it.
	No, exactly.
	It's not civilized.
	It's not civilized.
	It's not civilized exactly.
	No, no, but that's a great one.
	Because the thing that you're doing that is you're taking it outside of the realm of rights, Because that's not really the issue.
	The issue is propriety.
	Is it proper?
	Is it decent?
	Is it the correct thing to do?
	Of course it's not the correct thing to do.
	And that's the ground on which the right, the conservative, win a lot more firmly.
	Because the left are totally off the reservation when it comes to propriety.
	And they're insane!
	So they can't win on that ground at all.
	So that's the right way to frame it.
	So don't worry about rights.
	Screw that other stuff.
	Is it good or bad?
	Is it appropriate or inappropriate?
	That's how we win.
	Andrew says, I'm no constitutional scholar, and colleges can technically make up their own rules, but free speech includes speech we don't like or agree with.
	It is not directed at the person speaking.
	It has no power to put it into action, and it should be allowed and debated.
	Well, and this is something that Americans, because of course they've got the First Amendment, are very strong.
	And if that is the case, I'm not going to object, but I don't think it's the right thing.
	I think it's a very long conversation.
	It is a long conversation.
	Alex says, I think the questioning of the university representatives was handled badly.
	The questions about whether calls for the genocide of Jews violated conduct should have been immediately followed by questions about the university investigations and punishing of students for speaking out against the so-called BLM movement.
	They would have shown the hypocrisy immediately.
	I get the feeling that the person doing the interrogating was just flabbergasted.
	Yes.
	Sorry, are you actually equivocating?
	She couldn't believe it.
	You could tell.
	For her it was a yes or no.
	Yes.
	Do you advocate murder or not?
	Yes.
	Well, that depends.
	Because when they, you know, oh, it's contextual.
	It's like, well, look, what you're saying is what Hitler did is contextual.
	Yeah.
	You know, it's contextual on, well, maybe... That contextual could apply to anything.
	To anything, yes.
	Fred and Rose West.
	Well, it's contextual!
	You know, it gets pretty murky.
	I often wonder whether it's because we no longer believe in any particular God.
	Well, maybe.
	Because we're so secular now.
	Certainly lack of faith.
	Yeah, lack of faith.
	I don't mean Christian or anything.
	This is three atheists saying it.
	I'm not an atheist.
	I'm a don't know.
	I'm an atheist.
	But I've come to the same conclusion.
	Over the years, I used to be a big fan of the New Atheists, and over the years I've been like, no, they were wrong, actually.
	Actually, a lot of people just need something, a divine authority over them to tell them this is just wrong.
	It's what you were saying, a set of civilizational values.
	Otherwise, you're just blowing in the wind.
	Someone online makes a great point here.
	The context is that Muslims are above Jews on the progressive stack.
	As in, they, they, no, no.
	So the progressives, they have, they have something they call progressive staff.
	Right, okay.
	And so what, what they have is, uh, uh, levels of oppression.
	Right.
	And so they believe that Muslims are more oppressed than Jews.
	Ah.
	The way the left envisages power dynamics is that if one group is considered to be more oppressed than another group, then anything that oppressed group does against the other group can't be considered legitimate.
	And so that's what essentially their appeal is.
	Sounds like bollocks to me.
	I'm just throwing it out there.
	It's obvious, but this is how they envisage the world, because they view everything as universal classes.
	Yes.
	And so if it's a bunch of Muslims saying, oh, we need to kill all the Jews, and they go like, well, I mean, you know, they are being oppressed.
	It's contextual.
	Exactly, exactly.
	Then they get the defense.
	Whereas if someone like Dan points out here, Count Dankula makes a joke about teaching his dog to do a Hitler salute.
	And he gets arrested, charged.
	I remember hearing it, I didn't see it.
	It was just a meme.
	It's just a meme joke.
	And like David Baddiel was like, well, that was funny.
	You know, like it's obviously, it's obviously just a joke.
	Yeah.
	Uh, to wind up his wife and, uh, he gets charged, you know?
	And so it's like, you can see how it's about being on the same.
	Yeah.
	Bankula is a white man.
	Yeah.
	You're not allowed to be that joke because you're at the bottom of the stack.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	If it was a Muslim person calling for the disestablishment of Israel and death of all Jews, well, you know, we need to think about it.
	And so this is the sort of problem that they have, or we have.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know.
	So Richard says, college communities in the US are what I refer to as cake eaters.
	They want to be objectionable, edgy, and on the wrong side of arguments just for the sake of it.
	They will fall back to free speech to justify anything.
	A perfect case of wanting to have your cake and eat it.
	These people are ignorant ideologues.
	Obviously true.
	Right.
	Matt says, my friend was asking me how we as average people, I mean in the far right, can resist mass immigration into Ireland.
	I said, just talk about it with friends and family.
	State plainly what you see with your own eyes.
	Above all, don't let the word racist shut you up.
	Yes, I think that's absolutely absolutely true.
	Is that they're only going to call you a racist in order to shut you up?
	Yes.
	It's not like they're not advancing a thesis.
	They're not trying to persuade you.
	You know, they are literally saying, shut up, you racist.
	Yes.
	Um, and that's because diversity is their strength.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's a good point.
	Yeah.
	Uh, Sophie says, uh, we already don't have enough houses.
	So bringing in a million people to place, uh, to a place that already doesn't have enough houses won't have any negative effect.
	Logic.
	Yeah.
	A lot of people like pointing out the logical inconsistencies.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's just so obvious.
	Like, okay, we're going to bring in loads of immigrants.
	But logic, the guy we saw earlier in the dial in the Irish Parliament, logic doesn't come in.
	They don't speak from logic.
	They speak from faith.
	And that's all it is.
	It's nothing to do with what they see.
	It's what they feel.
	I mean, they've got to the point where they're literally giving them tents to live on the streets of Ireland.
	Yeah, but there's no housing problem.
	These people lived in houses in their home countries.
	Now their intent is getting government subsidies.
	No, it's... It is moronic thinking.
	It is extraordinary, isn't it?
	You're not taking in the homeless from the third world.
	No, exactly.
	Anyway, Charlie says, regarding the Irish politicians, it should be noted that though there are politicians that are very much in favour of mass migration, there are only the ones in parties.
	The independent politicians from rural Ireland have, for a while, called out the effects of mass migration on rural communities.
	We are not delusional about migration, our political elite are.
	Well, I did say that.
	Not the regular people, this is the politicians.
	That's a different breed completely.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But the problem is the people in the political parties are the ones in government.
	Ireland's currently got a coalition government of three globalists who all agreed, yeah, globalism's great.
	And yeah, NotSalad makes, again, this.
	So my dad was in the RAF.
	My dad was in the RAF.
	Okay.
	So growing up, I lived on military camps.
	Okay.
	And so what we had every day was a warning system on how dangerous it was because the IRA, they were putting car bombs on cars and stuff like this.
	And so, as NotSalad points out here, Sinn Féin turning into a globalist open borders party is utterly perplexing.
	Yeah, it's bonkers.
	It's mad.
	But it's the total opposite of what they were when I was growing up.
	Like the very notion, you know, if you told me even 10 years ago, the party that was led by men like Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams would be progressives, I would have laughed in your face.
	My more conspiratorial side wonders how much of it has to do with the mass amount of funding the IRA received and Sinn Féin received from the wealthy Irish Americans.
	I have no idea, but I can't explain how they became woke open border sites.
	Ireland for the Irish should be the most Sinn Féin slogan you could possibly have.
	I mean, they literally killed people over this.
	They literally got killed over this.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I just think that it's almost like a language issue now.
	I think regular people that you meet in the street are speaking one, using one language.
	Yes.
	One set of words, one set of observations.
	And the people in power, generally speaking, are using a completely different set.
	Yeah, they are.
	And they operate with a different agenda.
	I don't think that people like that idiot, Bradker, is not taking his orders from the Irish people.
	He doesn't think about the Irish people.
	He doesn't care about them.
	He's taking his orders from the WF and people like it.
	Yeah, it is really weird, isn't it?
	There are a lot of people pointing out that there are a remarkable number of Indians and South Asians who are running Britain and Ireland.
	And I'm not, like, someone who's particular about that, but... Well, the head of the... Did you see that picture on the other day about the Home Office staff?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Is that true?
	Well, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Is that a real picture?
	Really?
	I don't know.
	I'm always just very... So you have to be very sceptical.
	You have to be.
	I think that's correct.
	But there was a time when that wouldn't have been an issue.
	No, you know, you have the Home Office completely staffed by Indians.
	I don't care.
	But the assumption was that they were all essentially working for the same thing.
	Working for the state, working for the British people.
	Now, we've injected into this dialogue this cynicism that anybody who doesn't look like they fit in is to be questioned.
	And their loyalty is questioned.
	For me, it started with Brexit.
	That's when I started to notice it.
	Yes.
	Because if you're pro-Europe, then you had one set of legacies, and if you were pro-British, you had another set.
	Yeah, I think Brexit's a good... You know what I mean?
	Yeah, no, Brexit's a good dividing line, Alex.
	I mean, like, Sweller-Braveman, obviously an Indian woman, but, like, obviously very pro-British.
	It's been really unpopular for her to come out with her own party, let alone the opposition, and say the things that we want to have said.
	So, OK, you know, I'm definitely not saying Indian people are X, Y, or Z. No, exactly.
	But it, there are a lot of people are like, it is weird though, that there are a lot of like non native people who are at the top and who are doing the exact opposite of what people want.
	And I understand why they would be, you know, why they would start noticing things on that, but it's not fair.
	No, it's not.
	In the same way that this whole Islamic thing is now being conflated with a kind of race issue, which is not cool at all.
	It's a completely different thing.
	And Powell, back in the day, was obsessed with numbers.
	And numbers are still an issue.
	But actually, I think the biggest issue, the bigger issue now is culture.
	Numbers are like the salt in the oysters, the irritant.
	But the culture issue is a massive issue.
	We haven't even begun to... Yeah, no, no, you're exactly right.
	Because the biggest defenders of the British people in the past, like, ten years have been right-wing Indian women.
	Like, if they're the champions, we get, okay, fine, you know?
	Exactly, exactly.
	It's very bizarre.
	It's also this idea that we've kind of, because of, I think, for me, because of the EU and because of this whole globalist thing, you're taught that homogeneity is the good thing.
	But I think diversity in terms of culture is really fantastic.
	You go into an Indian restaurant, it's run by Indian people, they make Indian food.
	When we work in Germany, I always say Germans should be German.
	Be as German as you possibly can.
	Don't try and be European, be German.
	The French should be French, the Italians should be Italian.
	This is, this is an old school view of national, uh, nation.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But that's the thing.
	And I agree with you.
	Obviously I want Indians to have India and be Indian in India and have, you know, and if, if a small number of Indians move elsewhere, okay, fine.
	You know, that's fine.
	But like that requires a kind of understanding that the nation belongs to the host culture.
	You know?
	And so if the natives are like, Oh, well actually, 15 million immigrants in 25 years is too much.
	Then we just close the border and then that would be an easy thing.
	That logically follows.
	But our politicians just don't think that.
	They just don't think that Britain belongs to the British.
	They don't believe that France belongs to the French.
	They don't believe that Germany belongs to the Dutch.
	I read a thing the other day and it said strong fences make good neighbours.
	They do.
	Absolutely true.
	I think it's absolutely true.
	See, what you're appealing to is a sort of civilizational sense, right?
	As in, we're part of the British civilization, and the Germans are the German civilization.
	When you take on this kind of civilizational sense, not only do you gain respect for other civilizations, you gain respect for your own civilization.
	So suddenly, oh no, I actually have a job to do to uphold our civilization.
	You know, there's a responsibility on me.
	And then you respect other people who are doing the same thing in other cultures.
	And that makes for much better neighbors.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I really enjoy going.
	When we were kids, we used to go to France.
	It was really exciting.
	I lived in Germany for eight years.
	Yeah, I love it.
	I love those differences.
	We didn't go, but there was an Albanian wedding of a friend of ours recently, and they filmed it.
	And it's wonderful to see.
	It happened in Albania.
	They hired a huge building, I don't know what it was, and they're all wearing different clothes.
	And one of the dances is they do this kind of side thing and all their arms are out, right?
	So I said to a mayor, I said, "What is it with the arms?" He said, "Because in Albania there are loads of eagles." Right, right, right.
	Loads of eagles, so that's the eagle.
	And the other thing was, a lot of the women were dressed differently.
	And I thought, what is that?
	Some women were just in plain white and other women had loads of colourful stuff on.
	And he said that's because they come from different areas of Albania.
	Now I think that is fantastic.
	Yeah, but that's because that is fantastic.
	But it's predicated on the idea that there can be a place for Albania and for nowhere else.
	Absolutely.
	This is the place for Albania to be Albanian.
	I agree.
	And that's what it's all predicated on.
	I, because my dad was in the army, I lived in Germany for eight years when I was growing up, but the, the, the camp, very English, very British.
	And I didn't realize it at the time, but I, I got a very strong sense of being an Englishman because of the Germans.
	Because you, I mean, the Germans are all lovely, but they're obviously not like us and that's fine.
	And I, you know, had a great time spending a lot of time with Germans and you very quickly understand that, Oh, we're not like you actually.
	No, actually, you know, and it's fine.
	It's totally fine.
	And so you just, I know that really reinforced it in my mind.
	It's like, no, there should be a place for the Germans and that's actually not in England, right?
	There should be a place for the English and that should be called, you know, there should be a place for the Irish that should be called Ireland.
	And that's, and everyone will get along.
	Oh, sorry.
	Yeah.
	I'm going over time.
	Um, but, uh, but anyway, I guess, I guess we'll have to leave it there.
	Uh, where can people find more from you if they want more?
	Where can people do what?
	Oh, okay.
	We're at rightsafred.com, which is there.
	Yep.
	And then there's, we're at the Fred's on Twitter.
	Facebook is rightsafredofficial, I think.
	And same with Instagram, rightsafredofficial.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	We'll go and follow the Fred's on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook and wherever else.
	And thanks so much for joining me, guys.
	I think it's been brilliant.
	Thanks, man.
	It's fun.
	It's good.
	And we'll see you tomorrow, folks.
	Yes.
	Oh, no, we'll see you in 30 minutes for Lads Hour, actually.
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