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Dec. 5, 2023 - The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters, I'm joined by Carl Benjamin.
	Hello.
	And Dan.
	Hello boys and girls.
	For those who need to know the day, like me, it's Tuesday the 5th of December.
	Completely didn't need to know it then.
	I did.
	I had to look it up.
	Oh, okay.
	Did anyone else do that or just... No, it's just me for the viewers of the podcast.
	It really helps people like me who work two days a week because otherwise I genuinely don't know what day of the week it is.
	So you see that thing in front of you?
	It's got a little thing in the bottom right.
	Yeah, it used to have a banner at the top of the bloody notes as well.
	Okay, I mean that clock thing there.
	Click on it.
	Wow.
	Okay.
	We'll figure out time another time.
	Anyway, but today we are talking about the fact that nobody panics even when the plan is horrifying, which is a title I very much like.
	And also the worst thing ever, and creative disassembly.
	We haven't done a video game segment in a while.
	No, it's been a while and I've got a lot to say about Creative Assembly.
	We've all got knives in our pockets.
	Anyway, so today we will start, because I have no announcements, with the plan.
	It's the most wonderful time of the year.
	It's the time of the year when the conservatives stab you in the back.
	Ah, Britain.
	Britain, I'm home.
	Because you may have noticed in the news recently, the conservatives are like, hey, we're going to do something about immigration.
	It's like, really?
	That's only because you absolutely ruined the country with even more immigration than Tony black could ever have dreamed of.
	I honestly don't believe this at all.
	So it's a no, no, no, no.
	You, you, you can believe this, right?
	No, no, you absolutely can.
	It's just the plan is even more horrifying than you can imagine.
	Right.
	Right.
	Trust me on this.
	Let's just begin with the census, right?
	So, it turned out that in 2021 or 2022, when we actually got the census, roughly 15 million non-English or Welsh people living in England and Wales.
	Most of them will have come in because of the Conservatives.
	Because, of course, at that point it had been, what, 11, 12 years?
	Well over 60%.
	Yep, yep.
	11 years of Conservative rule.
	Immigration go brrr.
	Uh, for some reason, I don't know why, uh, go sign up to lowcease.com by the way, which is where I publish this.
	Cause of course there's a lot of work going on, five pound a month because of course we're demonetized.
	Thank you very much YouTube for talking about such subjects.
	But so I thought I'd just have a look at some stuff.
	See figure four there, home office composition by business area, migration and borders, 80% of what the home office does.
	That's what they do?
	Yes, they're rubber stamping thousands of people every day.
	So I would expect to be able to see, like, police, MI5, prisons, that sort of thing, but Homeland Security is there.
	It's just about 3% of what they do is Homeland Security.
	Public Safety?
	About another 4 or 5%.
	Corporate and Support?
	I don't even know what that is, but that's about 12%.
	Well yeah, whatever, right?
	But that's probably what the Home Office is supposed to do.
	In a normal political environment, migration on board is nearly about 78%, 79%, right?
	That's all they do.
	So if you're a conservative government becoming like, okay, we're going to reduce immigration.
	You would just de-staff that area of the home office.
	You would just defund the home office by about 80%.
	And then that would be the problem solved.
	You probably want the borders, but not the migration.
	Sure.
	But like border security or homeland security, maybe, you know, okay.
	What percentage of the staff of migration of borders are borders?
	By 75% or whatever, you know, like, so you've got like a much more slim office there.
	So I remember David Cameron came up with the idea of splitting the home office out into a borders department and then the home office.
	And there was furious pushback from the Home Office.
	And I understand why now, because if you take that bit out, basically they would rank slightly lower than the department for paperclips.
	Quite possibly, yeah.
	That's funny because it's true.
	Legitimately.
	Yeah, that's probably correct.
	But anyway, Let's get onto the number of people.
	So we know that there are about 15 million.
	We also know that there are at least about a million illegals, and this is in 2017.
	God only knows what that estimate is now.
	This is Pew estimating that back then.
	Of course, we have had a hundred thousand channel invaders and everyone is unhappy.
	Right?
	Everyone is really unhappy.
	This is the most recent Ipsos polls.
	As you can see, the conservatives are about to get shellacked in, as the Americans say, in the next election, which will be next year, which is good because everyone's pissed off.
	Everyone is just pissed off with how the country's going.
	Look at the optimism index.
	Like every, every time you see a red line going up, that's bad, right?
	That's bad for everyone.
	The thing is, no one thinks anything's going to get any better because the people like Keir Starmer, no, they don't bloody like Keir Starmer.
	Yeah, his unfavorability is going up just as much as the guy in charge.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Somehow he's almost as unfavorable as the guy who's ruined the country, right?
	So no one, no one is satisfied.
	Just deep dissatisfaction with everything.
	Everyone's like, why is the country being run like this?
	And it's going to get even worse.
	This is the moment that if there was a third party with any flair or skill or panache whatsoever, even a competently run monster raving loony party could at this point sweep the board.
	Yeah, unbelievably Lord Buckethead isn't 10 points ahead in the polls.
	Anyway, everyone's unhappy because of course under Cameron and then moving on, Migration went berserk.
	Right.
	This, obviously we know that last year, the net migration, which is migration after the people leaving is removed was 745,000.
	Now actual total gross migration was 1.2 million.
	Yeah.
	I really hate the net thing because it's like, if we make our own people so depressed that they leave.
	No, no, no.
	That's not even the problem.
	Right.
	So the number of Britons who leave is only about 80,000 a year.
	So actually, that's about 600,000 foreigners who are like, hmm, the UK's going down, I'm out.
	Right, so when even the Polish are like, screw this, I'm not dealing with this.
	Well, no, it's not even mostly the Polish.
	It's mostly just, you know, the non-EU.
	They come here for a period of time, they make a bunch of money, they send it back home, and then they just piss off.
	Because we're just being used as sort of a global weigh station.
	I like how in that exchange just now, every time I was pessimistic, you were like, no, no, no, you're not pessimistic, it's worse.
	It is worse.
	It is just worse.
	And in the meantime, you get about a 1% replacement rate per year.
	Uh, what do you mean exactly?
	Because if you look at the demographics, you have the English people.
	Oh, right.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	Yes, we do.
	Um, but also because you've brought in 15 million new foreigners and the land of Britain has not changed, that means that they have to go somewhere.
	And if you, I didn't get the map for this one, but if you pull up the map, you would just see it like a cancer.
	In fact, in London and across the Midlands spreading out to the rest of the country.
	That being rental prices.
	Well, yeah, and just the places where the English no longer live in England, basically.
	And we've got to break down this.
	I'm just quoting from here.
	In the year ending June 2023, the top five non-EU nationalities for immigration flows were Indian, Nigerian, Chinese and Pakistani and Ukrainian.
	Ukrainians actually having a legitimate cause because they were invaded by Russia, India.
	But they did have to move across several nations to get to us.
	Sure, but I can, I can understand that.
	They at least have something.
	Yeah, that's the thing, right?
	They are the least concern of mine because at least they can say, well, look, we're not letting our men leave because we're fighting a war and we need somewhere for our women and children to go.
	And the British government goes, yes, we'll help the women and children of Ukraine.
	Okay, fine.
	I'm totally okay with that.
	That's completely above board.
	Why a quarter of a million Indians arriving that year?
	Why 140,000 Nigerians?
	Why 90,000 Chinese?
	55,000 Pakistanis?
	Nigerians?
	Why 90,000 Chinese?
	55,000 Pakistanis?
	Why are they coming?
	It's just because we're wide I suppose I should mention now, we were looking at the different visas you can get for coming to the UK, and one of them that seems to be new is the Young Indian Professional Visa, which I presume was set up recently, is how I can politely discuss this.
	Yes.
	And the requirements are to be an Indian between 18 and 30, And have a bachelor's degree and a savings of £2,500.
	And that means you can come to the UK for two years and they can renew that visa every two years because you have a savings of £2,500.
	So you told me about this before we came on air and I misheard you and thought that two and a half grand was to cover you for two months.
	And I said, well, actually, that's not too bad.
	But no, it's two years.
	We literally have open borders with every Indian who can get a bachelor's degree.
	That's what that is.
	I'm sure Indian universities are very rigorous.
	Exactly.
	Anyway, so as you can see here, this is net migration over the past 10 years or so.
	And something happened... In the 2020s?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Just after, for some reason, the COVID pandemic hit, we left the European Union and the conservatives were like, great, non-EU migration please.
	Because as you can see, like the blue one is the British net migration, which I love about this is that they actually have to the native British leaving or coming into Britain.
	So as you can see, there was actually an inflow of native Brits coming back to Britain.
	But as you can see, the outflow has been about 80,000.
	But what's going on here?
	But that wasn't the bloody pitch.
	Weird, weird.
	The pitch of Brexit wasn't, let's get as many Indians and Pakistanis and Chinese into the country as we can.
	It was on the bus.
	And it was Boris who was in at the time.
	Boris was like the leader of the Brexit thing.
	He was going up on stage saying, oh, we can lower migration.
	Yeah.
	And yet the moment he gets his hands on power, it's just like... It's almost comical.
	Just funnel them in.
	Why do you think I called this a Joker segment, right?
	Like, yeah, no one panics even when the plan's horrible.
	If this is the plan, to literally get it up to 750,000, Which Tony Blair would never have thought of doing.
	No, because I was on holiday when these figures came out, so I kind of missed that news cycle.
	And I heard it was bad, but this is just absurd.
	Going back to the 80% of Home Office staff whose job is literally to get tennis elbows rubber stamped.
	All day, every day, just stamp, stamp, stamp, stamp.
	Like, I can't even imagine how unbelievably busy they must have been to get that number of people into the country.
	And that's, again, that's 1.2 million.
	So they're just like all day, every day, just, I mean, I'm surprised they don't just print them automatically these days.
	Or just download the QR code from anywhere on earth.
	Yeah.
	Here's your visa.
	Yeah.
	Could you imagine that being on the big red bus though?
	It's like, we get 500,000 foreigners a year from Europe.
	Let's get 3 million from anywhere else.
	It's just so unbelievably preposterous.
	And so finally, with the Conservatives at the lowest nadir that they've ever been in the polls, and with the worst This election defeat looming next year, they're like, we're going to do something.
	And that something is going to be really, really unimpressive.
	Right?
	Because again, they're the ones who have made this problem.
	Like this problem, actually, I mean, the problem did exist before them, but the problem was about a net of 300,000 a year, which of course was slowly destroying the country because it was like, yeah, but that's way too slow.
	Actually, we need to go full accelerationist and properly smash this country into pieces.
	To be fair, the Tories do this every 18 months.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's just shocking.
	But this is, this is how stabbed in the back you're about to get, right?
	So what they're like, right.
	Okay.
	James Cleverley is coming in and they're like, okay guys, we're going to fix immigration.
	It's like, Oh, what are you going to do, James?
	We're going to increase the minimum salary needed for overskilled workers to 38,000 from 26,000.
	It's like, okay.
	Fine.
	So that probably slightly exceeds inflation.
	Possibly.
	Okay, that's at least some kind of barrier it sounds like, right?
	Okay.
	We're going to ban healthcare workers from bringing family dependents to the UK.
	We're going to end companies being able to pay workers 20% less than the going rate for jobs on an occupation shortage list.
	We're going to increase the annual charge for foreign workers to pay to use the NHS from £600 to £2400 to £1000.
	And of course, a couple of other small things, right?
	And so this, they think, will cut migration by £300,000.
	It's like, oh, that's so great, James, because you literally increased it by £600,000.
	Twice as bad as it used to be.
	That's my promise.
	Yeah, we made it three times as bad as it was, but now it's only going to be twice as bad as it was.
	That's right, we're conservatives.
	Just, what is wrong with these people?
	Like, no, James, you say right, what we're going to do is we're going to deport everyone who arrived here since, say, 2015.
	So the actual purpose of the Conservatives is to gold plate every left-wing advance?
	Yes.
	But they've gone further than the left!
	Yeah, they've gone way further.
	But they went too far, and so they're going to scale it back so it's only twice as bad rather than three times as bad.
	That's the plan, right?
	Brilliant.
	Just to remind ourselves how bad immigration was under Labour.
	And you know what?
	I thought this was bad.
	I thought this was catastrophic.
	About 10 years ago, right?
	I mean, it reached 250k net under Labour, so it was about 500k in one year, which is... Yeah, I mean, it was catastrophic on the road.
	Yeah, that is... The health service, the schools, everything that matters in life.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That was terrible.
	House prices, you know, everything.
	It was catastrophic.
	And the Conservatives were like, yeah, well, you've seen nothing.
	We're going to triple it!
	And then we're going to reduce it by 300,000.
	So it's still 445,000.
	To be fair, they're going to triple it and then say, but they're going to reduce it by 300.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's true.
	They haven't done any of these things, but let's assume that they will do this, which I realize is a silly assumption.
	Right.
	But that's still basically twice as much as labor at their highest.
	Right.
	And so it's just like, wow, I just can't imagine how much deeper the dagger in my back can get.
	Um, but then, okay, so great.
	That's, that's wonderful.
	Um, what are you going to do about people like this?
	Right.
	Does she earn 40 grand a year?
	No, of course she bloody doesn't.
	She's a benefit chief.
	She claimed probably more than that, but she, this is Saba Mahmood.
	How she came to be in this country.
	I don't know.
	Right.
	She's a benefit fraud criminal.
	Uh, she has committed benefit frauds of over a hundred thousand pounds.
	Uh, she sends much of the money back to Pakistan.
	She's milked the system for 10 years.
	She's got eight children.
	And she's still in this country.
	Like, why don't you just deport her?
	Well, you can see there, they charged her with the crime of benefit fraud, and they decided no jail time.
	Yes.
	They gave her a 16 months jail sentence, but suspended for 18 months, meaning she will never go to prison unless she breaks the law within those 18 months, and then it's just forgotten about.
	And James is like, yeah, but we're not going to get people who earn £35,000 a year coming into the country.
	It's like, James, what's the point of that trial?
	Because that trial probably cost another £100,000.
	If not more, yeah.
	Court fees to decide we're not going to punish her.
	Yeah.
	It would have been easier just to give her another 100 grand and said, right, quit.
	Do you think she was earning 26?
	No, of course not.
	How did she arrive here?
	Who knows?
	Who cares, right?
	She's not going to be removed.
	She's just going to keep using your tax money.
	She's going to be given it forever because the conservatives have, for some reason, not got the balls to say, hang on a second.
	Hmm.
	These foreign benefit fraud claimants who keep sending our tax money back to Pakistan, maybe they should just get the hell out.
	Like just instant deportation should have been just a no brainer on this.
	Yes.
	You gone next.
	The next one.
	Immigration go brr.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, 600,000 of them leave every year anyway.
	She's probably going to leave at some point.
	She's just here while the money is flowing to stop the money flowing.
	That's the only reason.
	And here's a great one.
	A Somali TikToker responding to David Vance.
	Why do Somalis claim asylum in the UK and then return to Somalia on holiday?
	She's just like, ah, you're not allowed to ask too many questions.
	Cause they know, they know, they know that they are scamming us.
	They all know they're scamming.
	So they know it.
	They know it.
	They know it.
	God damn it.
	They know it.
	And the conservatives are just like, yeah, well, as long as they're not earning less than 38,000 a year, anyone come from, how, how is the scammer here?
	But they were all of these scammers that anyway, I mean, they're just, they put it on a form and there, and there would be something like, are you running more than 38,000 a year?
	And they're tick.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	undoubtedly that's what it's like but the point is it'll nothing the conservators will do will actually get rid of these actual scammers who are currently here scamming us of our money but i'm actually far less bothered about immigrants who earn 40 grand a year coming here or 26 grand a year at least they earn money yeah at least they earn some goddamn money you know i mean i mean this person is literally just stealing it yeah you know just like the previous person literally just stealing it and just like this guy literally just stealing it
	and then putting up tiktok videos of him pouring your money on his taxpayer paid for hotel floor.
	Is that some?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Just some random, you know, channel migrant, just like nothing James Cleverley or the Conservative Party will do will address any of these issues.
	And these are the ones who are actually costing us money.
	There are many levels to the immigration problem, right?
	There's the sort of high level, okay, you know, letting millions of people in has done severe damage to the culture.
	And then you've got like, it goes all the way down to there are a bunch of actual scammers who are scamming us and laughing in our faces as they scam us and can't believe how effing stupid we are.
	I can't believe how often stupid.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's just really difficult to imagine, isn't it?
	No, like literally mocking us.
	Right.
	And so the concept of nothing about this, they've made the problem way worse.
	And these people are basically here for life, it seems.
	Yes.
	But there seems to be no like time scale.
	How long?
	Like, for example, our little hotel full of migrants, again, booked up for the indefinite future.
	For three years already they've been scamming us, so... Yeah, so, like, are they just... Another ten years?
	They're just gonna scam us for the rest of their lives.
	I mean, these people are gonna be old men, like, still hanging outside of that migrant hotel, so at least they'll be harassing less children than I'd imagine.
	But anyway, Sir Ishii Sanak was like, wow, we've just announced the biggest cut ever in net migration.
	It's like, great, but you were the responsible party for the biggest increase in net migration ever.
	So... The cut isn't real.
	Get community noted.
	It's actually not a cut, it's still a net increase.
	You effing liars!
	But he hasn't even made the cut.
	This is a thing he hasn't actually done anything.
	All he's done is made an announcement.
	Yes.
	The level of net migration is too high and it has to change.
	Well, why is it too high after 13 years of Conservative government?
	If only there was someone in power who could have done something.
	I hate that they govern like they're in opposition.
	I just can't stand it.
	But it's... Bro literally couped the government to do nothing.
	Yeah.
	Why?
	What was the point?
	I don't know.
	Yeah.
	What did he change?
	He couped the leader, who was elected by at least his own party, to do zero.
	I think it's because he really, really hates the idea of the indigenous British population paying fewer taxes.
	Because literally all this trust was running on.
	Yeah.
	I'm going to cut your taxes and we're going to get some economic growth.
	And Richard Sanderson's not on my watch.
	Time to coup the government.
	Exactly.
	Sorry.
	Why?
	We think of every coup in history, like every other African dictator has taken over for at least a reason.
	But this dude literally took over the UK to just kind of... To make sure we keep paying high taxes.
	What a motive.
	And the thing is... If you wrote a movie, people would say the motive doesn't make sense.
	That is totally true.
	But the thing is, like, they'll say things like, well, I mean, at the end of the day, net migration is economic growth.
	It's like, okay, but you've had unbelievable migration and we're having zero economic growth.
	Where's the correlation?
	I know in theory it is because the bloody office of statistics or whatever it is, the planning people, they basically take GDP per capita and then they say, okay, well, we increase the capital and therefore we increase the GDP.
	It doesn't actually work like that.
	Yeah, it doesn't actually work like that because they're not factoring in people like this chap.
	Yeah.
	Who is just getting a bunch of free money.
	And like, sorry, he's a person that is in your statistics, but he's not actually producing anything, earning anything.
	But he is spending money.
	I guess technically he is.
	What he does do is that when they put those people in, is that they can say, therefore our long-term projections go up and then they borrow against it.
	So he is increasing the borrowing that the UK government can do.
	Amazing.
	So he's literally putting us in further debt.
	Yes.
	Of course it is.
	And the thing is, of course, all of these channels, like the channel migrants themselves, just the channel migrants, cost us, what was it, three billion a year?
	Yeah, five million a day.
	Yeah.
	So that's just the hundred thousand.
	Now, I mean, what about What about people like this who are just scamming, right?
	What about people like this who are just literally just scamming?
	Who knows how much these people are costing us, right?
	This is just a black hole of money that we're pouring into the pockets of ungrateful foreigners.
	And Rishi Sunak's like, no, that's got to happen.
	Oh, by the way, we're going to change the level of migration.
	And then you get like just conservative MPs who say things like, oh, vote for us because Labour are going to be returned to open door immigration.
	I quite like this.
	Right.
	We're not going to let Sikama, Keir Starmer, wreck our economy.
	We're going to do that.
	We're not going to let him return to open door immigration.
	We're going to do that.
	We're basically everything, drive out him, up and employ.
	Yeah.
	Basically, this is a list of things we're not going to let Labour do.
	We want to do it.
	We're way ahead of Labour.
	Because we can do it better.
	Exactly.
	And the thing is, they're kind of right.
	Right?
	Labour didn't wreck the country to the extent the Conservatives have done it.
	No, they did wreck the country by the standards of what we thought wrecking was, but the toys were just redefined.
	You can imagine what the replies to things like this have been.
	Not having.
	Vote for us, we'll stab you.
	That guy over there, he wants to break your arms.
	But Labour are actually... It's a bit like voting for Alien vs Predator to babysit, isn't it?
	Yeah, it really is, yeah.
	Like, just no.
	Yeah.
	But Labour are, in a way, capitalising on this.
	They say Labour would limit annual migration to 200,000 a year.
	to 200,000 a year.
	Net migration.
	Darren Jones, the Shadow Chief Secretary to the Treasury, said he believed the party would seek to return net migration to, quote, normal levels.
	He says this, quote, the normal level of net migration is a couple of hundred thousand a year.
	The normal level.
	The normal level.
	Normal for who?
	Normal for Tony Blair.
	Right.
	Normal for the 21st century, I guess.
	So I'm not actually completely against migration because every so often there will actually be somebody who can add something, right?
	Sure.
	So what about net migration of zero?
	So we got some South Korean electrical engineer we need to bring in.
	Fine.
	Find some benefit sheet to chuck out.
	No, I would say net migration needs to be about minus 300,000 a year.
	Because there are too many of these benefit cheats and just absolute hangers-on who have been let into the country.
	I do love that this is literally Yuri Bezbalov over here.
	Destabilization, crisis, and now normalization.
	Absolutely.
	Of crisis.
	Yes.
	The normal level is a couple of hundred thousand a year.
	It's like, oh my God, we are so doomed.
	Actual hell.
	Yeah, I know.
	Are you going to cheer us up, Callum?
	I thought we'd just go into some fun, I suppose, which is the response to all that, which I think has been quite the laugh.
	Now, to remind everyone, we are now living in a time in which we must force everyone to live in the UK, by force.
	By my plan by 2050, every single human being on Earth will be living in Brighton, in a massive meatball.
	Conservative MP to campaign on this issue, as you can see.
	He's quite proud of his graph, which is showing, of course, that there used to be normal British migration, and then, you know, the post-war period.
	Negative!
	There used to be emigration!
	And then it was fairly normal for the 80s, you know, when things were good in this country, and then, like, the 90s happened, and then something happened, and then you got a crisis, and now it's just been madness.
	Wait, so you can consistently run at somewhere around the minus 50,000 a year?
	You know when we had that giant, world-spanning empire that kept winning wars?
	Well, that's when we had net emigration.
	And when we lost that... Now we're a sad island, barely afford the heat.
	We had outflows into the mid-80s.
	This is the context that's never really provided.
	You may remember a lot of graphs from the BBC sort of start around about 2000s because they want you to think that's normal.
	That's the normalization process there.
	It's not.
	And the problem with the UK is not one of even crime or financial effects of mass migration making life worse for the natives.
	They are bad things.
	Those are just extras.
	The real problem for the UK is... Is it just features?
	Yeah.
	The real problem is civilizational.
	I mean, the fact that you can no longer buy a house is bad, but even if you could, there is literally, if you roll the dice, a 0% chance that by the time you're retiring, that that place will still be an English neighborhood that you moved into.
	It will have gone.
	And just as a quick thing here, let's just admire the hood spot of Neil O'Brien here.
	Be like, yeah, so the Conservatives have done the worst on immigration that has ever been done historically.
	I'm just going to tweet that graph out.
	I'm personally going to tweet out the catastrophic failure and betrayal of the Conservatives to the British people and be like, hey, vote for us.
	Oh, you know, as long as the PM does something, trust me.
	It's unbelievable that you would show this graph in public.
	Yeah.
	It's on your Twitter feed, Neil.
	But I still stand by my policy before we go forward that the actual fixing of the country could be done in one fell swoop, which is women only.
	And you will actually fix every single issue, all those extras, you know, the crime stuff that literally disappears overnight.
	And also the visible numbers are half immediately and then go lower than half because the women usually come with their men.
	In which case we actually do return to the immigration situation, but the inflow is just women.
	And we're good feminists.
	And yeah, we can get the feminists on board.
	But we went over, the service came out and said we're going to do a thing.
	And the thing they said they're going to do, and this is where I want to focus, is they said they're going to change, if you want a skilled worker's visa, you used to have to earn £26,200.
	Isn't that much for a skilled worker, I would have thought.
	And they say they're increasing that to £38,700.
	And a lot of people think, okay, you know, this thing.
	To be fair, what are you skilled in?
	I mean, presumably turning up to work and not crapping yourself.
	I mean.
	Well, it doesn't matter if you're worth so much money, it doesn't matter what you do as long as you're actually producing that much wealth.
	And, um, but the question becomes, I mean, is that actually a level that's skilled?
	Because we can just look at the inflation rate because of course, back when this bill was passed and it was set at 28K.
	Oh, really?
	Today, 28K back when this bill was passed is actually 34.
	So, we're 4,000 out from this being exactly the same as it was in 2019, sorry, 2020.
	Oh God, I can just feel the knife just digging deeper from the Tory betrayal.
	It's so much worse.
	I know I talk about inflation a lot, but it even shocks me.
	January 2020 to now, the value of 34K has gone down to 26.
	Yeah, so keep in mind as well, we still have four months to go, or five months, until this change even turns into effect, because it's in spring, it comes in.
	So it's another four months, so actually we will probably be worse off.
	It'll actually be easier to get to the country than before, because the 38 grand cap is actually like 25 before.
	So do keep that in mind.
	I'm so glad I've got a large mortgage which is being debased by this inflation.
	But what I love about this is like the tour is like, yeah, we're going to, we're going to make it harder for people to get in.
	Actually, it becomes easier.
	We're going to get fewer people in this.
	And actually, no, it's still going to be, uh, essentially double of what it was before.
	It's just like, everything is a lie.
	Everything they're saying is a lie.
	And you might think, OK, well, at least wages aren't growing that much.
	So even if the inflation happens, it's not quite.
	I mean, here's the weekly earnings in the United Kingdom.
	And you can go check out the data yourself from the ONS, in which they say that 23.7% increase in wages in that same time period.
	So we're looking at an average pay cut of about 5.2% for most people in this country over that time period.
	So it is slightly slowed down compared to inflation, but not by much.
	And the reason those figures are like that is because the public sector got a big pay increase.
	When you average it out, it's a lot worse if in the private sector.
	But not everyone got that pay increase.
	We'll get back to that.
	But one day everyone's going to work for the NHS.
	Okay.
	In Brighton.
	The entire world is in Brighton.
	But here's just before we go forward so we have something in our minds.
	So the median full-time income is £32,700 according to the ONS for April 2023.
	Now of course that inflation rate is so it's hard to tell what that is now by especially by April 2024.
	But the point being that increase is not really real.
	By just the money terms, it's actually not really a change.
	In fact, it may be better off for people trying to come here than before.
	And this is one of the big issues, of course, that comes to wage stagnation, which is you're bringing mass numbers of people.
	And coincidentally, this is according to The Guardian here, a far right outlet, that says that since 2015, the average worker in the UK is 11 grand worse off a year.
	Because for some reason, something happened in the 1990s and ever since has been unprecedented wage stagnation.
	We are still investigating, but for some reason, we haven't found out the cause.
	I swear to God, I'm going to put that on the t-shirt.
	Just with the immigration graph.
	Something happened.
	Something happened in 1997.
	And this is where we get to the responses to this news, which I think are the really funniest thing to come out of all of this.
	Because of course, those people don't know what an inflation calculator is.
	They don't know what a percentage point is.
	They don't know anything about wages.
	They're just living their lives, mostly academics.
	And we can see them, such as Sadiq Khan over here, who decided to respond to this by closing off his comments.
	You can't talk back, dear leader.
	He says that one of the reasons London is the greatest city in the world Oh, come on!
	Come on, at least try!
	It's because of successive generations of immigrants.
	Yes.
	If it wasn't for the immigrants, London would suck.
	Yeah, people would... Yeah, in 1880s, I mean, London was just, you know, just some second-rate backwater, wasn't it?
	In the 1970s!
	You know, like... Whereas now, everyone loves London.
	I love this.
	This latest wrong-headed attack on migration from the Tories will only harm our city and country economically, culturally, and socially.
	Almost everyone I know in London has moved out.
	But also, Sadiq Khan's, if we can't have 750,000 nets and only 445,000 nets, then that's London destroyed.
	and only 445,000 net, then that's London destroyed.
	Oh, shut up, Sadiq.
	But to keep in mind, if you actually play with the numbers there, you'll find out that their plan will do zero.
	So, you will still get the 700k net, but no, London is finished by nothing happening.
	We have Bella over here, who's apparently someone significant in the Conservative Party.
	You may remember her being quite upset that there are so many Palestine supporters in London.
	She hasn't figured out why.
	But she's very upset as well, as you can see here.
	Quite possibly one of the most damaging and economically illiterate policy announcements This was the woman who was like, oh my God, look at all these Hamas supporters marching through London.
	Like a hundred thousand of them marched in London after they massacred a bunch of Israelis.
	And she was like, oh my God, this is terrible.
	Yes.
	Well, she wants more of them.
	I've chosen not to follow this account.
	Well, I don't follow her either, but I just remember seeing her posting.
	She's a good example for the like London conservative types, the global nomads who do have somewhere else to go once they're done with this place.
	Yeah.
	She probably will be.
	And this moves on because there's a lady.
	Sorry.
	Damaging an economically illiterate policy.
	Where's the growth?
	2 million new fucking immigrants in the last two years.
	Where's the growth?
	Where is the growth?
	You are not correct on economics.
	You do not know what you're talking about.
	I don't know what I'm talking about, but I know you don't know what you're talking about.
	Sorry.
	It's just really annoying.
	I can't find the growth, lads.
	It's just not about... Where is it?
	It would literally be an industrial job to get more immigrants in.
	I imagine the airlines are just like, look, we're running out of capacity.
	It's perfectly measurable because in the 1980s there was a 2% increase in the adult working population per year.
	And you could see it feed through into the increased GDP figures.
	So if you have native-born Brits and an increase of them, it does lead to a corresponding increase in GDP.
	But you can basically use the same measures on the immigration we've had since 1997 and it does not lead to an increase.
	It's perfectly measurable.
	Yeah, don't know why she's allowed to talk, but anyway.
	I love how it's such a civilizational thing as well, like just your point there about the sheer amount of work it takes to move that amount of people.
	The only historical comparisons I can think of is basically sort of World War II era, like the outflowing of Kaliningrad and then inflowing of Russians.
	Oh, there are loads of examples.
	But just the absolute numbers we're dealing with really is the kind of situation of redrawing national borders.
	Well, you know, that's just the norm.
	The Garths who stormed the Western Roman Empire, they reckon there were about 600,000 brought down the entire Western Roman Empire.
	One year's worth.
	No, that's not one year's worth, that's six months' worth.
	Yeah.
	That's six months' worth of those people, just so you know.
	But to remind ourselves, slightly off topic, but do you know why the teenagers who dress in black borrowed the name?
	No.
	I thought you were going to tell me.
	I don't know.
	Tell us in the comments if you know.
	Yeah, because you have no idea.
	But as I laid out, basically nothing will happen if the economics are going to play out as they have for the last few months, which is the inflation rate is so high that this actually means zero.
	But this didn't stop a lot of people being very personally attacked for some reason.
	And this following one, as I was mentioning, is a lady that blew up, but she's deleted this thread now because of the amount of responses she got.
	Laura here.
	Now, Laura has decided to tell us that she has two master's degrees from top British universities, including one that won a prestigious award.
	I've lived here for years.
	You have to go back.
	My visa is up in two years and I won't qualify under these rules.
	I'm sick to my stomach right now.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	She's got two master's degrees and doesn't earn 38 grand a year?
	Nope.
	What?
	So what the hell are the two degrees in?
	Medieval midwifery and nutrition pottery or something?
	Why is she doing all of it?
	I did have a look through.
	I couldn't physically find what she had done with her life.
	Because what I could find from her threads is that she mostly just goes on holiday.
	Yeah, she definitely has to get back, man.
	She's recently been to Cyprus to hang out, and then to Italy, and then to France, and then to Greece.
	And this is like over months of me scrolling through her timeline.
	She spent less time in England than Richard the Lionheart.
	Like, what is she complaining about?
	Hates the British as much, she just would rather be anywhere else.
	But no, we're evil for saying she can't come here.
	Right, anyway, Yankee, go home, is the correct response to her, I think.
	The responses are just a laugh, because as you can see, she limited her account.
	Yeah.
	But everyone's just like... And this was her bio, by the way.
	All by day, activism by night, all from abroad.
	Yeah, good on you, Maximus.
	That's actually her bio.
	She literally just talked about migrant rights, getting people in, past lives, a million flags.
	Oh my god.
	Because of course.
	Global cosmopolitan.
	Like, I'm not allowed to live in Britain anymore.
	You don't live here anyway, piss off.
	And, um, but she got like a million views on this thread before she decided to hide it.
	Bye!
	Time to go!
	Yeah, I mean, you're not very useful if you don't have a good dog pile, don't you?
	Good pack your bags!
	Yeah, I mean, I do love the idea, though, that this just really explodes the lie that is university in general, which we take our female population, lie to them that, trust me, it's good for you to be in university studying nothing for no money at the end of the tunnel, and then they go and do it, and then they're Pikachu-faced surprised that this didn't work out.
	So I want to be very clear that I am not being sexist, but we are definitely over-educating women.
	Not only that- Well, I'm miseducating them.
	There is no education involved.
	Think back to the previous segment with the Pakistani mother of eight who was getting 100k.
	Where's Laura here?
	Can't even get 38!
	Exactly!
	Just saying, who's really winning at life, right?
	So many mums just like, yeah, get lost!
	I've got eight kids!
	Suck it, Laura!
	Laura's taxes are paying for her kids!
	You need five Laura's to fund one Izzy!
	It's not Missy, it's Missy's mum!
	It's brilliant how this place works.
	It's when you actually sit down and take a look at this stuff.
	It really is just comical how badly run this island is.
	And she's not the only one that was very, very upset.
	This other she-her, as she describes herself, was very upset.
	My job as a research fellow at one of the world's best universities, a requirement of which is a doctorate, pays less than this.
	And so, on this definition, I am an unskilled worker.
	I agree.
	Adam wouldn't be allowed into the country.
	This system is utterly ridiculous.
	Very based.
	No, no, the system that isn't utterly ridiculous is where you are so unskilled, we can't really pay you anything, so we just sit you in the university somewhere doing bollocks.
	So Dan, I'm not an economist, right, but I always perceived the amount you earn as a representative figure of the value you contribute to society.
	So if you contribute a great deal of value, you earn lots of money and that's monetary value.
	So if you've got like a bunch of PhDs and master's degrees and you can't even break 38k, then what actual value are you adding to the economy?
	Well, Carl, exactly.
	She has a science and religion degree, a philosophy and religion degree, and a philosophy of time degree.
	Amazing.
	Philosophy of time.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Amazing.
	I don't know.
	She-her, in case you're wondering.
	Yeah, no wonder.
	No wonder.
	You literally don't do anything.
	So the really interesting thing was where if you start adding in extra dimensions because of the inverse square law, gravity drops off quicker and therefore time dilation takes place.
	I bet it's not that.
	Because here's the real thing when it comes to your salaries.
	It's actually not to do with how much you provide to society.
	That's only really true when you're dealing with businessmen who can provide something like Amazon, which saves so much time that when you scale it on a large basis, you suddenly become a billionaire.
	It's mental.
	What your job salary really corresponds to is to how difficult it is to get rid of you, how quickly it could replace you.
	That's really what it means for most people.
	So I'm thinking of like, you know, the average plumber electrician who owns like 80 or 90 grand a year.
	Yeah, because replacing him isn't easy.
	But also he contributes that amount of value to society.
	Like, people demand his service.
	And I'm filming a Brokeronomics later on Hoflation.
	We might change the title because that's possibly insensitive.
	But that's one of the data points I looked at.
	It's like, women want a man who earns more, but if he earns considerably more by being a plumber or something, and they've got a master's degree, they're like, no, I don't like him.
	They don't go for that at all.
	This is why Emily over here thinks she's better than everyone else in the respect of I've got degrees.
	But she can't even get into the country.
	But she is utterly replaceable because you have a philosophy of time degree.
	I could replace you with literally a McDonald's worker.
	And we would have more money at the end of it, more wealth would be made, more time would not be wasted.
	Anyway, I mean we are going to miss out on her lectures though, such as this one.
	More service to society as well.
	This is her at the University of Edinburgh giving a lecture on exploring freedom and identity in Iveriton quantum mechanics.
	Now I did a physics degree, I don't know what that means.
	I don't know how there is identity in quantum mechanics.
	I love the idea that there are many worlds, this theory, that there are other worlds than ours, and somehow we've got a moral responsibility to them.
	It's like, no, they might be fictional.
	But I'm sorry, to get to the nub of it, we have someone who has a philosophy of time degree telling us about quantum mechanics.
	Replaceable.
	Replaceable with a clock.
	Literally just a clock would serve more purpose than your work, from what I can see of it.
	And this is not a unique circumstance that we've now seen to academic women.
	We have more of them.
	This person here, a Colombian.
	Wow, the ruling UK party just decided it wants to self-sabotage its academic sector.
	Yes!
	Because it needs breaking.
	There is so much fat that needs cutting and so much waste of time that just needs tearing apart in the academic sector.
	Yes, yes indeed.
	If we have people who literally have a philosophy of time degree getting paid anything, Yeah, I'd like to sabotage that.
	I'd like to stop doing any of that, please.
	If we could.
	And, um, talking of this academic here, wanna guess?
	Had a lot of she-hers?
	Uh, yeah, yeah, of course.
	Well, this one, as you can see, um, trans flag, homosexual flag.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	Okay, fantastic.
	Well, great.
	I mean, self-sabotage the academic sector, then.
	Yeah, I mean, what will we do without them?
	Such as... Health Economist.
	You know, this health economist was on a Ukraine march with a trans flag and a... Colombian alien somewhere in the UK.
	Ugh.
	Yeah, okay.
	I don't know what we'll do without them.
	We'll just have to live.
	Anyway, let's go to an NGO worker who has something to say.
	I feel physically sick.
	My right to live with my husband and my children's right to live with their dad is conjugate on me earning 38 grand.
	This is an increase of 20 grand overnight.
	Yeah.
	That's not even true.
	But let's assume that it is.
	No, her circumstances that doesn't make any sense, love.
	Because if you had kids with a British person, one of you is British, they've got blood rights.
	So, end that conversation.
	Also, she-her just noticed.
	God.
	But you yourself should be able to get a marriage visa or should have done already if you've had two kids.
	So I don't know.
	I'm sorry, you're either lying or you've just been incredibly lazy.
	I just don't think they know how it works, even though they are literally a migrants' rights charity worker.
	Well, they say policy and public affairs management are praxis projects.
	I love leftist terms in your job title.
	Automine she-her.
	Okay.
	Should we take a look at Praxis?
	Yeah, let's do it.
	Here we are.
	Migrants and refugees need your support this winter.
	Listen, I've seen just too many TikToks of them throwing my money onto the floor of their hotel room to think that.
	Here at Praxis, we work with all people who have been migrated to the UK to live safely, free, from positive...
	They sound like free-range chickens.
	Oh, they do.
	I mean, that's what they really are.
	Why do you write like this?
	They live free, free from poverty, discrimination, plenty of grass.
	They have no lack of compassion or respect given by the farmers.
	So can I do a quick callback?
	Because while you were doing that bit, I asked ChatGPT what a philosophy of time degree was.
	Alright.
	So I've got an answer now.
	Right, this involves questions about the existence of time.
	Is it a fundamental part of the universe or a social construct?
	I've had my time wasted again.
	Even ChatGPT is letting me down here.
	I'm sorry, but like even the conversation of the philosophy of time, go away.
	I'm not entirely surprised you can't even bring 38 grand.
	Yeah, like unless... Who's going to pay for that?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like the only thing you could even... There is no philosophy of time.
	There is just reality.
	I'm sorry, but just to go on a rant real quick.
	But the only thing that's interesting about time is when you go to the speed of light.
	And then all kind of weird things happen.
	You know what happens up there?
	Not a single philosopher is there talking to us about the Lorenz formula.
	It's a bunch of physicists figuring out whether or not you can actually time travel.
	The Tau effect or something, yeah.
	I just... I just... Fuck off!
	It genuinely makes me angry to see people talking about physics time when they've got nothing to do with that realm.
	It's a bit of a, you know...
	STEM madness over here.
	Anyway, getting to the NHS again, because we were talking earlier about how that is the real victim of this new law.
	Oh yeah, the NHS, which is about 20% foreign worker in a country that's about 25% foreign.
	So if it wasn't for all the foreigners in the NHS, the NHS would collapse.
	So if it wasn't for all the foreigners in the NHS, the NHS would collapse.
	Well, this is where the real, like, shot yourself in the face moment came out of the response to this.
	Because this lady tweeted about current NHS starting salaries, junior doctor 32K, nurse 38, paramedic 38, midwife 38, and it goes on to make the point that basically that it's true, which is that health workers in the UK are massively underpaid compared to any other part of the Anglosphere.
	It's why the British ones leave as soon as they can, and rightly so, because you should get paid well for your work.
	But can you think of a reason why some of the people who are in the UK Since the 1990s, healthcare workers have had their wages massively suppressed.
	I'm guessing it's something to do with the fact that there's a limited amount of budget for the NHS that has to cover people who have not yet contributed to the budget of the NHS.
	Well, I'm more thinking if I need to hire a nurse and I've got 200,000 Nigerians, she will work for less.
	So that and PFI and immigration.
	But where's the demand coming from?
	This is what I mean in this specific instance, the shoot yourself in the foot aspect of this, where it's like, damn, if we lower immigration, we'll have to raise salaries.
	Yeah.
	Yes, truly terrible.
	What was your point, lady?
	Speaking of which, though, we enjoy these low salaries, if we think that's a better world.
	Well, we do have some evidence the contrary came out recently.
	I love this guy, just the immigrants in the cast.
	Ah, yes, yes.
	Dementia sufferer 91 died becoming trapped in a stairlift when the foreign care staff couldn't understand the difference between the words breathing and bleeding.
	Yeah, I looked at this.
	This is because they literally couldn't speak English.
	So we could massively undercut British nurses and doctors so we can hire someone from Bongo Land who can't speak English because they're slightly cheaper.
	Or we could just raise salaries.
	I don't think I'm supposed to laugh at the meme from...
	I love good Rutger What's your emergency?
	We find this man in the breathing You found a man breathing I'm making you think In breathing very big He's breathing And this man not bleeding Alright, there we are Average conversation About NHS workers But just to end this off But again, just the only reason the NHS is under These massive pressures Is literally because of the fact that the Conservatives Let a million new people in a year Yeah.
	But to end it off, just a normal person, I think, comes to the conversation.
	Suella.
	Oh yeah.
	Who recently resigned because she was sick of it.
	No, she was fired.
	Yeah, she was fired, actually, for saying that she, I don't know, didn't support... She was fired because she was saying things that the average British person supports.
	Well, such as this.
	An annual cap should be set on the number of visas.
	This is something we've floated for a long time.
	I'm glad she said it, and it is something that needs to be said every single day until it is implemented, and then afterwards made some kind of constitutional amendment, which we write a constitution, and the first article and only article is the cap.
	It takes a 90% majority in Parliament to overturn it.
	But anyway, there we are.
	So I don't mean to hijack the end of your segment, but can we play what I think is the solution?
	This is Dan's solution to the problem, which is very Dan.
	It's actually Ali G's solution, but I like it as well.
	Dan, just let them all in and cripple the economy.
	Ah yes, Ali.
	Let's think about this, right?
	What is the main thing we ain't got enough of in this country?
	Hospitals?
	No.
	Libraries?
	B.A.F.!
	We ain't got enough fit women.
	And we's got too many mingers.
	No offence, Karen.
	So, why don't we just let in all the fit refugees and turn away all the rank ones?
	That way we solve both problems.
	We's nubbing two birds with one connie, innit?
	This is ludicrous!
	What do you think?
	I think we should keep it real.
	Fit.
	Wait.
	Back to Slovenia.
	I mean, it would work.
	It's a perfectly reasonable government.
	It is in line with your feminist immigration policy, yeah?
	It would indeed.
	But anyway, let's move on.
	Can I just say something real quick onto that?
	Just a funny story.
	I was in Poland and apparently this happened, which is that of course they got all the Ukrainian refugees and running up to the election there was a moment in which the Ukrainian girls were being discriminated against by Polish girls who didn't like that Ukrainians were hotter.
	So what happened is the Ukrainian girls in Polish started doing TikToks and got this trending in Poland, which is, I may be a refugee, but I'm still hotter than you.
	And then as a result, there was a shift in the polls in which 20-something Polish women massively started voting right wing all of a sudden.
	I was talking to my friend who works in Polish politics.
	It was like, man, we were trying to capitalize on it, but just no one did enough job.
	It will get the feminists on board, right?
	Let's talk about Total War on your own fans.
	Where does that get you?
	A bit of creative disassembly on this one.
	So, if you've been monitoring gaming or been a gamer for long enough, you've noticed a bit of a trend.
	And this trend is how, basically, you get these really good studios that come along, create these fantastic games, and then they get bought by corporate overlords and promptly run into the ground.
	There are many such examples.
	So I'm thinking of the first one that I was particularly aware of was a little studio called Bullfrog.
	Oh yeah.
	Produced Populous and Theme Park and... Dungeon Keeper.
	What's that?
	Dungeon Keeper.
	Yeah, and Dungeon Keeper.
	Yes, yes.
	Cool.
	I mean, they produce a lot of good stuff.
	They were acquired by EA in 1995 and they were shut by 2001.
	Another one would be Maxis.
	Now they're still going.
	They created SimCity.
	And they have got Sims, which is doing alright, but SimCity has just been driven into the ground.
	Was it Paradox, is it?
	They've taken over that one.
	Whoever it is that does Skylines.
	Westwood Studios, Command & Conquer.
	Westwood used to be great.
	EA bought them, closed shortly afterwards.
	Another one that goes.
	This is like Member Berries.
	It is, it is.
	But I'm going to do a couple more before I get to the meat and bones.
	Remember when video games were fun?
	Ensemble Studios, Age of Empires.
	Bought by Microsoft.
	I remember.
	Shut.
	Bought the after.
	Lion Head Studios, which was black and white and Fable.
	Both of those are good.
	Yeah, they were bought by Microsoft and closed shortly after.
	So we got some of this.
	Now, what I actually want to talk about is Creative Assembly, which was founded by Tim Ansell in 1987, and they produced the Total War games.
	So I think we've got some footage to show you of Total War.
	Warring.
	Let's play that in the background while I tell you about some of their games.
	So I'll whiz through these because there's some classics on here.
	Right.
	In 2000 they produced Shotgun.
	Total War.
	Shogun.
	Yes, Shotgun would be good actually.
	Right.
	Medieval Total War in 2002.
	Right, let me tell you- Is that Medieval 2?
	No, I'm sorry, Medieval 1, sorry, in 2002.
	Medieval 1 in 2002, yeah.
	Now, that game, right, now, I discovered this game shortly before I was about to go to Edinburgh with an FHM cover model.
	Literally an FHM cover, South Africa, but I was going to go and spend two weeks there, and I was seriously considering blowing it off, Because I just discovered Medieval Total War and I was so enraptured by this game.
	A couple of years later, Rome Total War.
	And then in 2005, Sega buys Creative Assemblies.
	Right, and you've still got some good ones after that.
	Medieval 2, Empire, Napoleon, Shogun 2, Rome 2.
	I never quite got into Rome 2.
	Wow, it all goes downhill after Rome 2.
	Yeah.
	Yes, you're right actually.
	Medieval 2 was amazing.
	It's after that.
	They did Alien Isolation, so they did weirdly, I mean it's not a first person shooter, but it's like a horror type thing, so weirdly they broke out and did that, so I don't quite get that.
	But, Warhammer, I actually quite like Warhammer, it was an interesting departure.
	Right, Three Kingdoms, which was their best game, so that's had almost 200,000 concurrent people playing on it.
	I think that one sort of pandered a bit more to the Chinese market.
	I was going to say, how many of them are from the People's Republic?
	Yeah, and then I had to skip a whole load because they were just like stupid bolt-on things sold as their own game.
	But Troy kind of was a flop, and then Pharaoh, which was a massive flop.
	The only person I've ever found who likes Pharaoh is Josh in our office.
	Because basically the whole purpose of the game is to wait for immigrants to turn up and then slaughter them.
	The Sea People, as they know in history.
	So, but anyway, so Free Kingdoms peaked at 200,000 concurrent players on Steam, and Pharaoh is now down to 5,000.
	That's the most number of people it's ever had playing at once.
	5,000.
	And it doesn't have that on an average day.
	Yes.
	Yes, it's not good.
	Now, apparently, Sega came down from on high and basically wanted, there was this game apparently called Fortnite that did really well, and Sega decided we want one of those as well.
	So we're going to get our real-time strategy people to do it.
	To make a first-person shooter.
	Yes.
	So they dumped 100 million in something called Hyenas.
	Now, let's go to the next link because we've got, there we go.
	Yep.
	Right, now go down a bit and there's a trailer thing.
	Let's play that with no sound so you can get... So they didn't finish the game, they basically scrapped it after the beta.
	People saw it and was like, no, kill this immediately.
	Hyenas.
	Hyenas.
	Yes.
	You'll notice from this trailer that it's ticking all the corporate boxes.
	It's very diverse, isn't it?
	So it's got lots of diversity.
	You'll see in a moment it's got lots of alphabet people.
	it's got, what else?
	Oh yeah, it's got a hot girl boss basically leading this special forces team, because obviously all special forces team need a 20-something model to lead from the front.
	And you'll notice it does actually have some white men whose entire purpose is to get shot, because they're the guards and stuff, like in Austin Powers and stuff.
	Anyway, so they dumped 100 million on this, and then when people actually got to beta testing...
	This was 100 million?
	Yes.
	Well, I've heard mixed reports, so I think they allocated 100 million and they spent at least 70 of it or something like that.
	Just be clear, the art style here is disgusting.
	That's genuinely vile to look at.
	Yes.
	It looks dirty.
	But it does tick all the corporate boxes and it's got the diversity and stuff.
	So anyway, they spent a huge amount of money on that.
	And yeah, and basically as soon as players saw it, they were like, no, kill this immediately.
	Yeah.
	And they kind of, they dropped that.
	So, you know, apparently Sega had high hopes for the game.
	It was supposed to be a super FPS, but basically they dropped it and then they had to start canning staff.
	Yes.
	So now 40% of the real-time strategy team has been binned.
	Yeah.
	We could have had a World War I Total War.
	Yes.
	Oh, let me press the next.
	I know you don't like the more modern Total Wars, but I love the guns.
	I'm not going to be angry that they made it.
	I'll just be like, that's just not for me.
	I'll carry on playing Medieval.
	Yeah.
	I love the historical stuff as well.
	Yeah, it's fine though.
	But instead we got hyenas.
	I just want them to make games that are good.
	Like that's all I want.
	Like, even if that, like, like a lot of people like Napoleon, I didn't enjoy it that much.
	So it's just like, okay, fair enough.
	That's fine.
	You know, I'm not jealous about it or something, you know, I just want to be decent.
	Well, so, I mean, that wasn't the only blunder that they made because they've been up because as you're alluding to, which I think, I think you can get into the main part of our chat is they kind of been dunking on the fans for a while.
	So basically what seems to have happened, and I read a whole load of stuff on this, is it appeared they realised that the fan base for real time, historical real time strategy, capped out at something like 5 million users, something like that.
	Yeah.
	And they decided, well, if we can't grow it, we need to increase the... To milk it.
	Yeah, well, yes, milk, yes.
	So we need to increase the... It's not enough to just make money.
	We need to increase the revenue per user, while simultaneously lowering the spend per user.
	Yeah.
	So basically, more money for all growth.
	It was basically their strategy.
	Yeah.
	Creative Assembly have adopted the worst business model I can possibly imagine.
	This is why I really hate corporate people.
	Yeah.
	Cause you're just to come a place that's working, makes money and makes a great piece of art every year.
	I think I'm going to be like, yeah.
	What if we made it?
	So you're selling Pepsi essentially.
	You don't understand the space, is what I get out of people turning up to hear that.
	But it's not just that, because they could have made good consistent money from this forever.
	Yeah.
	But instead it's like, no, there has to be like a 12% growth every year.
	Yeah.
	And the only way they can get that in the short term is by cannibalizing the long-term value.
	Yes.
	By pissing off people.
	Like just burning up the goodwill that the existing fan base has.
	Cause one of the problems with Creative Assembly, which is not unique to Creative Assembly, but really, really stands out in this particular space is DLC, right?
	There's the constant, here's 20 quid for like three extra factions or something in your game.
	It's like, listen, I can unlock them using mods.
	Why would I pay for this?
	But also like for the Warhammer Total War one, they released like 12 DLCs.
	And it's just like, look, you know, this is just ridiculous and it makes me think you are just cynically trying to rinse me in.
	So I looked at it as a Warhammer 3 game cost £50 and then to buy the whole game with all the DLC is an extra £210.
	Jesus Christ!
	So this comes from Paradox Games.
	Do you guys play Paradox Games?
	Occasionally, yeah.
	So their model is that we release, say, parts of IM4.
	It's a real-time game about World War II, where you play at a country level.
	And it's good, it works, it functions.
	And then we release a DLC every three months that costs 10, 15 quid.
	And so the game is now like, I don't know, five years old, seven years old?
	There's a lot of DLCs.
	So if you were to buy it now, yeah, you'd be getting ripped off and spending £500.
	But if you play along with it, it's fine.
	But Total War doesn't do that.
	Total War is just like, here's a whole bunch of stuff that we cut from the game.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah, that's a key distinction.
	So I didn't mind the DLC in the Warhammer 1, because it was like, each DLC was like a proper extension to the game, and it was fine.
	It's like, I'm perfectly happy to play that.
	But it's exactly like you say.
	Increasingly what happens, it's the same with The Sims as well, basically the core game gets trimmed down to such a bare bones, and then you basically do have to buy the extra things because otherwise the game's not particularly functional.
	And let me give you an example, so the latest DLC that came out was, was it Shadow something bloody, oh here we go, Shadows of Change, right, and it was 20 quid, so it was priced the same as a race pack, but it basically just had a couple of characters in it, a couple of mods, and it has overwhelmingly negative reviews on Steam.
	I mean, I've never seen overwhelmingly negative ones.
	You have to be going some to get overwhelmingly negative.
	You have to really have aroused the ire of the fan base.
	But the thing is, Creative Assembly, what they're doing is they're trying to repackage, essentially, they had these Sagas titles.
	Which were like mini versions of the Total War games that were never very popular.
	So it's like, okay, if they're not very popular, why are you doing them?
	But it's because a, they can just, I mean, literally this thing with Pharaoh, like Troy was a sort of like a mini side title where it's like, okay, I played Troy.
	It was okay.
	I didn't hate it.
	There were loads of DLCs for it that I didn't buy for it, of course, because why would I?
	But then it's like, OK, we're just going to repackage that as Faro, and we're going to package this as a major Total War release.
	And yet... But it's an add-on.
	It's essentially just a reskin of Troy, which is just a kind of add-on side thing.
	And so what they're actually doing is just producing less and less and less.
	And the price is still going up.
	And wondering why people are annoyed.
	Because the actual gameplay itself isn't terrible.
	But the game itself, actually still fairly functional.
	It works.
	Again, it's enjoyable enough.
	I know these are low stats.
	What a ringing endorsement!
	Man, you really got to check out this game company.
	They're functional games!
	It's not actually functional though, is it?
	Because when I asked you about this before, you were just telling me about all the bugs and the clipping.
	Well, that was Rome 2 in particular.
	You never would have said this when you were playing Rome Total War.
	You never would have been like, well, it's functional.
	No, I would have been like... No, it's awesome!
	You can manage a whole Roman Empire!
	Yeah, well, exactly.
	That's the point, right?
	What they've done is kind of got addicted to this sort of like fast hit of cash injection from producing every few months a crappy little DLC or a small side title, rather than actually being like, okay, we are going to just make the entire thing new and this is going to get us millions of sales.
	That's what they're famous for.
	You don't mind the DLC if it was like a genuinely thought through, a real addition to it, but it just feels like it's just like, okay, two months has elapsed.
	It's time for something.
	We've thrown this out.
	You can now buy blood.
	I mean, that's one of the DLCs.
	Yeah.
	They wish they had blood to when the guys stab each other.
	It's like, oh, you clearly cut that out and now charging me three quid.
	All right.
	Anyway, so the fans noticed that this was going on and they weren't particularly happy about it, so they started grumbling on the forums about it.
	Now... Creative Assembly's response to this has been... Well, that was quite good.
	They came out with a blog post and it ended with the infamous line, the right to discuss is a privilege, not an entitlement you earn by playing the game.
	That's really interesting as well.
	No, no, that ties into their attitude towards fans complaining about the amount of money things are costing as well, because the director of that just came out and said, yes, how much it costs, deal with it.
	It's like, right.
	So that's Creative Assembly's opinion.
	You don't get to talk about it and just pay up, chump.
	Yes.
	How many, I don't know if you have looked into this, but how many of the original people who made things like Rhinetail War are still there?
	I'm coming to that.
	Because they must be gone.
	So I don't have absolute numbers, but there has been a lot of staff turnover more recently.
	I mean, obviously when they let go 40% of the workforce after spunking it all off in that hyenas thing with the alphabet people, they lost a lot of them, but a lot of other people have been going as well.
	Anyway, so then people started review bombing all of their games, and one of the reviews that was quite common was people saying basically something along the lines, and I'm paraphrasing here because everybody had their own way of saying it, but they would repeat the right to discuss as a privilege not an entitlement you earn by playing the game.
	People would be coming back with something like, The right to a positive review is a privilege, it's not an entitlement.
	which is quite good.
	Love that.
	So how do creative assemblies respond to getting arsy with people who were criticising them?
	I assume they just ban them.
	Yes.
	They turned from Warhammer to Banhammer.
	Yes.
	And they just started banning people all over the place.
	And Games Workshop is terrible for this as well.
	So, like, they're in bed with another company that's like, yeah, F the fans, actually.
	Yes.
	But it's a real problem here because Because they were so heavy with the ban hammer, they were banning people who made really popular mod series, and that meant that they could no longer post updates.
	So next time there's a patch, the mod doesn't work, no update can be released.
	So they were basically just wiping out mods all over the place, and just destroying the... So I know a bit about this, because I follow a bunch of Creative Assembly Total War YouTubers, and basically Creative Assembly have this kind of partner program.
	Oh yes.
	They deal with YouTubers who are going to give them nothing but glowing praise.
	And as soon as that person and that they'll, they'll bring them to like, you know, release events and stuff like that.
	They'll wind them a diamond.
	But as soon as that reviewer, that YouTuber says something even slightly negative, that's it.
	They're out.
	Right.
	And so you are not allowed to be vaguely critical.
	It literally like North Korean levels of unfettered praise or else that's it.
	It's not a partner program.
	It's a sycophant program.
	Yes.
	And these people get like an early release.
	So they, you know, on day one, they've got their video, they're out.
	So they've got, they get the hits and stuff like that on YouTube.
	But that means that they're essentially doing free marketing for Creative Assembly.
	Uh, and if they are even vaguely, slightly critical, that's it.
	That's gone.
	And so that's just like, wow, that's a really abusive method of running your outreach.
	It's really abusive way of having outreach to the fan community.
	Sure.
	But even if you're a cynical bastard who only cares about money, that's the worst thing you can actually do.
	Like if you want to be successful in professional life, you have to be able to deal with criticism.
	Yes.
	Because that's how progress is made.
	Yes.
	Paradox has a similar thing, but they do let the people they sponsor talk about how bad some of their games are, because they are bad and need fixing.
	Well, Creative Assembly are not like that.
	And the thing is, the online Total War commentary community has very much become aware of this.
	And then you get people in Creative Assembly who start leaking to these YouTubers.
	And so I've watched a bunch of videos saying, wow, I spoke to this guy in Creative Assembly.
	And basically, the DLC team began at four people.
	Create DLCs.
	And then balloons like 80 people.
	So it's like the home office, basically.
	yeah you'll see you go brrr yeah no that's exactly it and so they're trapped on this treadmill with a huge number of staff creating content that nobody really wants and they're they're unable to sort of walk that back and they're burning up all of the future goodwill for the next total war game and so when they they say hey we've got a big total war look at this pharaoh total war everyone's like we don't care we're not interested
	well i can put stats around that because this is you know the number of players.
	And so Warhammer's up there, so these are steamed, so you can see how many people are actually playing at the moment and, you know, 30k average.
	Yeah, people should be aware.
	But yeah, so Warhammer 3 is holding up, Three Kingdoms holding up, Rome Total, no, Rome 2 is on there, Medieval, I mean, that's an old game and that's still... Yeah, Medieval 2 is like 15 years old and it's still got more than Shogun and Total War 2.
	Shogun's doing well, but look at the more recent games.
	I mean, Attila, Napoleon, Pharaoh.
	Look, there are only 315 people at the moment playing Pharaoh.
	There are twice as many playing the original Total War, not even remastered.
	Oh yeah, just the original Total War.
	So they've literally burned up any goodwill.
	I didn't even know Britannia existed.
	One person playing Kingdom.
	Yeah.
	If that's you, comment.
	But like, how do you take such a massive and successful franchise and screw it up?
	Well, you do what Creative Assembly has done.
	Yes.
	You make it cool.
	Well, actually, I mean, I do have some further depth on that.
	Just a quick thing as well.
	Yes.
	It's like Creative Assembly basically had the entire market of real time tactical strategy games.
	Yes.
	What's that competition?
	Exactly.
	I just want to line up rows of men and engage in an ancient or medieval battle.
	And there's only one franchise that does this for some reason.
	I don't know why no one else has just made... Oh, for me, it was the ability to invade France.
	I don't play a game unless it has the ability to invade France, because that's always been an ambition of mine.
	But the thing I love about the Total War games is that literally you can construct your army, you hire the units, and then you have them on a battle, you fight someone else, and you have to use tactics in order to defeat them.
	That's the fun of it, right?
	Why no one else has made a game that does this, I don't know.
	Why is it literally just Creative Assembly?
	I reckon there's some mid-level executive at Paradox who's got his business case ready to go and he keeps taking it to the board and they're like, well, just wait a little bit longer for these guys to shoot themselves in the face entirely and then we move in.
	Well, it's the reason I choose Creative Assembly games over Paradox games.
	Because Paradox games, there's basically no tactics.
	It's a battles thing.
	Exactly.
	It's battles.
	And so that's the only reason.
	It's not like Paradox games are bad or anything.
	They just don't do the things that Creative Assembly wants to do.
	Yeah.
	Well, I've got some further details on how it went really wrong.
	So first of all, DLC, and you mentioned this, their DLC team went from four people to 80.
	So it's obviously, it's like, it is now a primary focus of the business, just to churn out.
	So you're not getting DLC based on, you know, what's good and what's necessary.
	Technical debt, that came up a lot.
	So this is basically referring to the Warscape engine that they've had running since 2007, which they did, I think, Empire on.
	And then every game after that forks off the previous game.
	And then basically what happens is whenever they run into a problem, they kind of bodge it in the moment.
	They never fold it back into the original engine of the game.
	So you basically just got these problems that are scaling up.
	Persistent.
	Yes.
	And it's just becoming more and more of a rickety scaffolding, basically getting to this point.
	Another one.
	Lack of documentation, which might sound a bit boring, but... But when you've got high turnover staff, and you've got insanely complicated games, like the Total War games, and you go, right, good luck figuring out how this works.
	Yeah.
	Yes, quite.
	So, I mean, I don't claim to be any sort of great expert on making video games, but I have, in my VC career, bought and sold video games companies.
	And the first thing I've always insisted on whenever I bought something is, get your documentation in order.
	Because that way you can't be held to ransom by any one employee or something happens.
	You can basically churn.
	And it's particularly an issue here because they're firing people, their good people are leaving because of all of this.
	And then new people are coming in and working incredibly inefficiently for months until they figure out all the weird workarounds that this company requires.
	Bad tools.
	So, because they're using this sort of in-house engine and everything's been botched together, they don't have any sort of decent tools.
	So they've been using, basically, they've been creating their tools in XML, and then integrating it on a piece of software, an internal software called Dave.
	So basically, error checking is horrendous, leading to, even if faults are found, quite often it's very finicky how you flag them, so these errors basically turn silent, And then the first you discover about them is when they come up on the Steam forums.
	Imagine if they'd used that 70 million to just overhaul all of this and produce a really big, impressive Total War game.
	Yeah, or get their engine fixed.
	Yeah, just to rehaul everything.
	Yes.
	Completely redo the whole thing.
	Complete rehaul.
	So, I mean, there was one guy who was sort of a bit of a whistleblower for them, and he said he changed companies, and he found that error checking went from a two-hour process to a two-minute process when you move companies.
	Yeah.
	Which is not good.
	Um, apparently they've got little to no QA.
	So quality assurance basically just isn't happening.
	So bugs aren't being found.
	That's the player base.
	Yeah, no, that's literally it.
	That's literally their philosophy.
	Yes.
	Let the players fix it.
	Um, and leadership.
	Apparently the leadership is just burying their heads in the sand.
	It's too difficult.
	It's a pretty mammoth task, but literally what they should do is.
	I don't even think this is necessarily Sega pressuring them either.
	I watched a bunch of videos about the leaks and stuff like that.
	It seems to be all internal and all in their own heads.
	And basically what they need to do is be like, okay, we just got a brand new game, Rome 3.
	Brand new engine, use Unreal 5 or whatever.
	So you've got the latest graphics engine, create a new... And you've got so many new staff, it doesn't matter that you're changing engine.
	Exactly, no, but it's all going to be new, you know, you've got to figure all this out.
	Create a new engine, create new tools in the back end that you could release to the modding community afterwards, so they can make, you know, continue to make your games good after you've worked with the audience, so you can keep them and make them.
	And just start a Total Refresh and you could create a brilliant Total War game that would actually save your company.
	Yes.
	if you want to take it.
	I do sort of blame Saga because I think what's happening is they...
	Sega, yeah.
	Because they...
	Yeah, or the holiday company for the over 50s, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It does when it's a word I'm used to.
	I do sort of blame Sega because I think what they've done is they've basically penciled in that they want so much hundreds of millions from this every quarter or whatever it is.
	And if they don't get it, when they're saying to the people who manage creative assemblies, you know, you're going to get the boot if you don't deliver us this quarterly growth.
	And so it has to go short-term revenue maximization and destroy the long-term value in the process.
	That's what they're doing.
	So what Sega need to do is they need to write down their expectation by at least half, if not 100%.
	And do what you said, bring in the Unreal Engine, just use that instead.
	Whichever new one is fancy at the moment.
	And produce a new epic historical title, whether it's Medieval 2 or the World Wars.
	I mean, they've got loads of options.
	Pharaoh should have been just Bronze Age Total War.
	That could have been epic.
	Big, expansive mech.
	But also, what they need to do, and I don't know why they don't do this, is create unique mechanics for each faction.
	I realize that's going to be a little bit of a pain.
	That's where the game becomes replayable.
	Exactly!
	That's why it's interesting.
	Like, literally like the Crusade mechanic from Medieval 2.
	Like, that was actually fun.
	Or the Romans not working like the Egyptians, because why would they?
	And it means when I play the Egyptians, I'm not instantly bored.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I don't feel like I'm playing an inferior version of the Romans.
	And you could make it, if it was epic and new, and breaking boundaries in terms of the engine and stuff like that, you could have, say, Medieval 3, and you could say, OK, well, on release, it's just going to be Europe.
	And then a year later, it's Africa, it's the Middle East.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And if it was World Wars, you could say, okay, we're going to start with Europe, and then we're going to include Russia, and then we're going to include North Africa, and then we're going to include the Pacific, and maybe even South America right at the end of the war.
	It's that one little village in Argentina, or whatever it is.
	If you want it to be really spicy, you could do an add-on pack for the formation of Israel, just after the war.
	That would be such a good game, though!
	We'd play the hell out of that!
	There'd be a huge amount of content produced.
	Israel Total War!
	That would be so good!
	But that should be a part of Bronze Age Total War as well.
	Because that's literally when Israel is first formed.
	I know, I'm thinking... I don't mind.
	I know what you're thinking, but I probably don't.
	But this is fixable.
	But I think what's going to happen is Sega are going to stick to their guns and they're going to drive this one utterly into the ground.
	And I'm sad because I quite like these games.
	I love these games.
	It's heartbreaking this happened.
	The reason I know so much about this is because I love these games, but they're never going to do any of the things they actually need to do to fix it.
	And so, I mean, it doesn't even have to be a faction by faction, unique mechanic.
	It just has to be a culture by culture, unique mechanic.
	So any Gaelic culture could do X, you know, any Germanic culture could do Y, any North African culture, just something different.
	Give me a repellent.
	And just a bit of passion for the game rather than how we're going to increase by 12% this quarter.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's just not... The reason you got to where you are is by making a good game.
	Worry about that.
	And there are five or six million people who love you.
	Game company?
	Yeah.
	You remember?
	Right.
	Should we do a bit of video comments?
	Yes, we shall.
	The Irish Freedom Party.
	They practition hate messaging.
	That's how they operate.
	Messaging along the lines of gender and transgender and immigration.
	These are the issues they campaign on.
	Now you can say they're a political party and they have a right to represent and they have a right to speak and they have whatever.
	They do not have any elected mandate in this country and they have no right and they will have less of a right if they believe they have a right.
	They will have less of a right when we sign up to this because any form of rallying people or inciting hatred in that regard... I have no idea what that's about.
	The Irishman speaks in Parliament utterly incoherent.
	This must be the speech banning stuff.
	I presume so.
	I presume there's some guys who want to actually save Ireland and the Irish government.
	They're campaigning on cultural issues.
	Great.
	I'll vote for them.
	The next one.
	I found a Washington Post article that I think would be the perfect segment In the world of sexual fetishes, crossing the political aisle is a kink.
	Does a forced vote for the other side get your pulse racing?
	There's a dominatrix for that.
	Yeah, you've sold me.
	We'll get that done.
	This is those stupid, hot, stupid, sexy MAGA supporters.
	Look at the image.
	Oh my god!
	Look at the donkey and the elephant in leather.
	Okay, someone had to make that.
	Let's go to the next video comment.
	Okay, slop or not, this is my homemade beef short rib stew.
	Beef short ribs, onions, carrots, potatoes, all cooked together in a broth for about four hours.
	That looks great.
	Yeah.
	I do stuff like that, yeah.
	I don't think that's slop, because there's too much crunch.
	No, that's a stew.
	But also, the purpose isn't to conceal the flavor.
	That's the thing about slop, it's to conceal the low quality of the ingredients.
	I mean, that looks great.
	I thought you'd leave the whole carrots in there.
	I never thought about doing that, but that's... I quite like that actually.
	You can always chop them up, but I wouldn't do that.
	It looks very rustic.
	Yeah.
	I tell you what, what I love is roast carrots.
	Oh yes.
	Roast carrots put like olive oil and salt on.
	That's so good.
	Yeah.
	I kind of mix them in with the potatoes like on an almost 50-50 basis actually.
	Then they get like crispy.
	It's good.
	Yes.
	Life is good with carrots.
	Let's go to the next one.
	If someone's triggered by white people just existing, it makes it rather easy to resist them.
	To fight against them, all one has to do is simply exist.
	Since progressives have a tendency to ignore reality, eventually the consequences of it will catch up to them and they'll collapse under the weight of their own absurdity.
	I felt it's a bit weird to make, like, obviously coherent political points that are true, but at the same time I'm looking at the robot waifu track in your face.
	I don't know, man.
	I feel like it is weird.
	There's an element of unnervingness around that.
	I don't know what to say to that.
	Anyway, we'll go to the red comments as well.
	Dylan says, remember to download the I'm a Celebrity app and vote for Nigel Farage.
	I have the app.
	I will be voting for Farage.
	I'm not doing that.
	It's free.
	And he should win.
	That's true.
	Henry says, December is one month of the year I consistently know the dates.
	That's only because I have an advent calendar.
	Otherwise, I rely on my phone and watch.
	Good point.
	We don't have an advent calendar.
	We don't.
	That wasn't a good point.
	No, it was a great point.
	I know the date.
	I have an advent calendar.
	I don't have an advent calendar.
	I need to know the date.
	I like the date.
	The Real Bigfoot says, regarding immigration, I find it very hard not to be blackmailed about the future.
	What do you see as an actual path out of this?
	Oh, um, total collapse.
	I mean, at some point, at some point, like, no one in the world will want to come to Britain and all of the foreigners will just leave because they've literally looted everything we have.
	So, uh, at that point, at least also all of the best taxpayers will want to leave and work remotely from bloody Romania or something.
	Yeah.
	So at some point they won't want to come.
	You've got three elections.
	Maybe you can turn it around peacefully.
	Otherwise I think, yeah, Yugoslavia quite possibly.
	Yeah.
	Le Worst French Ever says, uh, the Home Secretary said that immigration policy must be fair, legal, and sustainable.
	That means they only want to limit immigration that does not benefit the country economically.
	They do not care about your traditions or culture.
	That's totally true.
	Uh, that being said, I think the podcast would benefit very much from a deep dive into the mechanisms of large legal immigration, who pushes for it and who benefits instead of just looking at the symptoms.
	Uh, maybe, uh, but that takes a lot of time.
	Well, the Indian one, we can literally just point to, yeah, we can tell meets Modi, all of a sudden any Indian can come to the UK.
	Yeah.
	British Senate, the same as well.
	Yeah.
	Goes over to India.
	Hello, fellow Indian.
	I'd like more Indians in Britain.
	I would like more Indians out of India, says Modi.
	Yeah.
	He did actually do a tweet series, which it was the British Prime Minister meeting the British public.
	And for some reason they chose a whole bunch of Indian families.
	I mean, the whole thing just looked totally just so off.
	Weird that, isn't it?
	Spat on my water.
	Ethelstan says, the short-sightedness of constantly importing people from the GDP line or to fill university places to train foreign nationals at the expense of domestic workers continues to increase my disillusionment with democracy and political thinking of the five-year election cycles.
	If Charles was not such a traitor to the British people, as he continuously demonstrates with WEF allegiance to supporting the Greeks over the Elgin Marbles, I'd probably support Monarchy at this point.
	Yeah, well, you've got nowhere to turn, have you?
	You either get traitors there or traitors there.
	Where are you going?
	Sophie says, but Carl, have you considered if they don't allow this to happen, the Sun might write mean things about them?
	Oh, it won't be the Sun that writes mean things about them.
	It'll be the Guardian that writes mean things about them, and that's apparently a fate worse than death.
	Matt says... It's not kind of funny, though.
	You've got a year left in government.
	You literally are definitely going to lose.
	Yes.
	How much fun would you have?
	Oh, I'd go mental.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I would liquidate almost everything.
	It's like home office?
	Fwera.
	Benefits system?
	Fwera.
	NHS?
	Fwera.
	No, instead you coup the government and do zero.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm still dumbfounded by that.
	We need to sit and course peacefully to this absolute disaster, for some reason.
	Matt says, quite frankly, as an Irish person, I don't see any way for the English to get out of this mess this time.
	The entire elite is all in on mass immigration.
	There's no significant counter-elite.
	The right-wing alternative party is still trapped in the liberal paradigm and fighting an uphill battle against first-past-the-post.
	Discussion etiquette still prohibits noticing qualities and forces the debate to revolve purely around quantity.
	At least in Ireland, the political class feel as if they're on the back foot.
	That's not entirely true.
	They are genuflecting in the direction of anti-immigration.
	It's just they've increased the problem so much and normalized the 250,000 people in a year that that becomes the sensible option for immigration.
	It's recalibrated it.
	Kevin says, all discussions around the 12-month prison sentence rule for immigrants are the lefty judges.
	The lefty judges are using the suspended sentence route to avoid making migrants liable for deportation.
	What is needed is for all migrant crimes to be dealt with by a magistrate's court.
	Better still, get them dealt with by military courts.
	Okay, I don't think we've gone that far.
	No, the migrant court, we've set it up.
	But I just think that any migrant who commits a crime is convicted of a crime to deport.
	I was hearing, I think it was Bo saying, that the reforms policy is to just set up a new department to actually manage borders and migration.
	Yeah.
	They can have their own court system, I don't mind.
	But also just commit a crime.
	Yeah.
	But that's how it is in most of the rest of the world.
	If you go to most of the rest of the world and you commit a crime, they just throw you out immediately.
	Exactly.
	Which is totally sensible.
	Yeah.
	Aaron Van Warhoek says, new quotas for massive amounts of foreigners and new laws make it easier for them to come in.
	I'm guessing every young girl in Rotherham is sweating with fear right now.
	Yeah, no doubt.
	Yep.
	Kevin says, bring all the UK universities under one governing body and make Elon the chairman.
	He'd cut the fat out of academia.
	That's true, he would.
	He'd probably enjoy the opportunity too.
	Ben says, stop the free money for migrants.
	Yeah, I agree.
	If only we could.
	Should we put that on a bus?
	We're not going to argue on that one.
	Yeah, yeah, put it on a bus.
	No legal aid for non-nationals.
	Agree.
	Get the civil service departments to enable this.
	Agree.
	No more cash injected into the asylum lawyers' legal freeze gravy train.
	No, no, it should go even worse.
	Repeal the law that they use to fund their entire careers.
	Just make sure that doesn't exist.
	Cut out the entire class of lefty lawyers.
	They all cease to exist.
	No legal aid ever if you represent a non-citizen.
	Well, it's not even that.
	The laws the non-citizens are appealing to to stay in this country, repeal.
	Courtney, even if you do privately pay for some reason, for some, you know, lefty lawyer, I want that lefty lawyer to then be joint liable for any crimes that immigrant commits.
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I don't want there to be the opportunity for there to be lefty lawyers, because George Soros could fund them all.
	And we've still got the same problem.
	Like, why are they, why is there a law that allows foreigners to appeal to our laws to stay here forever?
	Like, no, that needs to stop.
	It's just end of story.
	Omar says, nothing about immigration is more infuriating than seeing external examples of just how easy it would be to correct the problem if there was the merest sliver of political will to do so.
	Maybe we should invite Xi Jinping to come and visit and watch the problem disappear overnight.
	There are immigrants in this country who came before 1997, who I have personally spoken to who are furious with the way things are being done.
	They make up about, I think it's 17% of the foreign population?
	Yeah.
	And they can stay.
	They can stay, because they were like, no, I had to work really hard to get here.
	I really want you to deport that guy.
	Cause he was from my old village and he's a total slacker.
	He needs to go.
	He might be a slag too.
	But they need to get out, you know, as in, so people who like thought well of this country and actually wanted to come here and work.
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	Yeah, exactly.
	The tear boost can stay, you know, um, JJWC says between 1975 and 1996 net migration average, just 7,000 per year.
	That's the goal, the dream.
	No, sincerely.
	No, I know, and then something happened.
	You look at the golden age of Britain post-World War II.
	Yeah, it's immigration.
	And it's not this.
	Can I do some comments from mine in the last couple of minutes?
	Yeah, go on.
	Who is he?
	Apparently he's General Mildred, aren't you?
	What the fuck was that?
	Can I read some comments and then just make disgustable noises?
	Barracule says, Dan has never been so relatable.
	Well, good.
	Um, jolly good.
	Um, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, um... Oh!
	Genie Careery says, if you want a real-time strategy hybrid game outside the Total War franchise, check out Ultimate General American Revolution.
	Not interested, it's got guns.
	And Americans.
	Yeah, I mean, and it's American history, so it'd be over really quickly, wouldn't it?
	Yeah.
	So maybe, maybe.
	What else?
	Oh, guys with swords and shields.
	Right, so here's an opinion.
	Right.
	Have you played Fall of the Samurai or not?
	No.
	Try it and then come back about the guns thing.
	Yeah, but I don't want guns.
	I'm just saying try it.
	I'm just saying try it.
	All right.
	Ewan Baker says, loved Medieval 1 and Rome 1, but everything after was awful.
	Medieval 2 was great.
	I think I'm with you in on this.
	I kind of like Empire, but I just don't remember it.
	The ones I remember is Medieval 1 and Rome 1.
	Medieval 2 is great.
	And Rome 2 was the worst thing.
	Rome 2 was probably worse than Hiroshima on release.
	The bombing.
	Yeah, I prefer having another Hiroshima.
	But, a decade after, and with all of the modders and patches fixing it, it's about a 6 out of 10.
	I'm lying to you.
	Well, that's not a really good game.
	I still lose it.
	No, it's not a really good game.
	I still can't stand it.
	Well, you haven't played it, Mike.
	I have!
	Why?
	Because I keep falling for this meme in the office!
	Because you or Josh come to me and be like, oh, it's fine!
	I play it quite regularly!
	Yeah, and I re-download it, and I spend a load of time waiting for it to download, and then get into playing it, and I'm just like... Oh, this is crap.
	So I did get... I did get Rome 1 Remastered, but it's just too old at this point.
	Yeah, I didn't enjoy it.
	Just get the Rome 1 one.
	So, not with Remastered?
	Yeah, but for my screen... No, sincerely, like... My screen is ridiculously large.
	If I put, like, some 720 thing on, it's just gonna... It would just be like... Yeah, a dozen pixels.
	Don't play on a 5K OLED monitor like that!
	Right, let's... Oh.
	Right, okay.
	North FC.
	Let's finish on this one.
	Has there actually been a good game in the last five years?
	Yes.
	So, tell your games I like.
	I did like Subnautica.
	That was good.
	And Frostpunk, I like that.
	I'm desperately hoping that Frostpunk 2 is not bad.
	And apart from that, my default now is basically these tiny little indie games that last for like 5 or 6 hours, and then they're done.
	So I played one called Dredge, which was about fishing, which was actually quite good, and some other really little games.
	But I have never seen In the last 25 years, gaming as bad as it has been over the last three.
	It's really true.
	I think the industry has properly died at this point.
	The only thing I'm enjoying at the moment is older games.
	I am enjoying Rome 2, so shut up, Callum.
	There are a couple of things.
	Ark Survival Evolved was pretty good.
	Like an ARK 2 is coming out next year that my son's really looking forward to.
	So that and that hopefully will be good.
	It's hard to tell though because we've seen like no gameplay.
	But okay, maybe.
	But ARK Survival as well was pretty good.
	I'm enjoying the Battletech games a lot.
	I haven't seen those.
	So the Mechwarrior basically is giant battle mechs, like 70 ton walking tanks.
	But the thing is that the Battletech rule system, because it was a tabletop rule system that has been really faithfully recreated in the games.
	And so actually it sticks really, really, really tightly.
	to the this very well constructed balance system right and so like you've got weight heat and damage that you have to concern yourself and ammunition right you have to concern yourself from and each mech has got like a certain cap tonnage so you've got to work out okay well am i going to accept But I'll overheat and that'll damage my mech and reduce my performance in battle, but I get extra damage for a temporary amount of time and stuff like this.
	It sticks really tightly to this really... So, to quote Sargon of Akkad from six minutes ago, I don't like games with guns in them.
	No, no, it's fine.
	I didn't say that.
	I don't like... He's talking about the historical... The historical Total War games, right?
	I don't want ranks of guys with guns.
	If you're running around a big battle, mate, that's fine.
	Callum, name a good game in the last five years and then sign us off.
	So if you appreciated that episode of the podcast, the Lotus Eaters, I'm going to check out the website.
	Otherwise we'll be back tomorrow.

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