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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #748

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	Hello and welcome to the podcast of the Low Seaters for today, the 25th of September.
	It's a Monday, 2023.
	I am joined by Dan and Charlie.
	Afternoon.
	Hello.
	Right, gents.
	And today we're going to be talking about clapping for the Waffen-SS.
	That's going to be taken out of context.
	That's not good, is it?
	The plight of the publican and if conservatives could please stop being containment for about five minutes.
	That would be wonderful.
	Well, without further ado, let's jump into today's Black Pills.
	Yes, so, um, look, I'm gonna have to start this segment with a bit of a caveat.
	I am an economist and not a historian, so what I did do for this is I did sit down with our in-house historian and I just double-checked a couple of points.
	The first point is, I am right in thinking the Nazis are bad, and he confirmed that that was indeed the case.
	I also got him to confirm that the Waffen-SS was extra bad.
	That's what they say.
	Yes, they were like the elite unit.
	I've seen a Deadliest Warrior episode on them, they're cool flamethrowers, but obviously we don't know what they did.
	Yes, apparently the guys operating in the East because they took part in the Holocaust, which was double plus bad.
	So having confirmed that I was basically not barking up the wrong tree with this stuff with our in-house historian, we can jump on.
	And look, even without being a historian, I can tell you that growing up in Western culture, It becomes very obvious that you are taught from your earliest days that they were in fact the worst people in history.
	Yes.
	The very worst.
	I mean worse than the Aztecs and the Assyrians.
	The Golden Horde.
	They were the absolute bottom tier of this.
	They were the final boss of history.
	Yes.
	Yes, very much so.
	In fact, if you want to learn more about history, why don't you go to our website where we've got this current code and we've got a whole history section called Epochs, which is very good, which is done by Karl when he's not on holiday, and Bo.
	And because Karl is on holiday, you can use the code SARGON to get, was it, 50% off your membership for the next three months.
	So do do that.
	Not on Subscribestar, but on the website.
	So, you know, do that.
	Now, so the whole point is that the whole foundation of our liberal society is basically we're the good guys, Nazis are the bad guys.
	Which is why you can't get into a debate with most people who are a bit low IQ, but have nevertheless gone through the educational process without them calling you a Nazi fairly swiftly.
	Yeah, it's Godwin's law, of course.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And the SS, of course, as you say, they are the spear tip of the bad.
	You know, They were involved in things like massacre of civilians and war crimes against prisoners of war.
	They were famous for not taking the Geneva Convention seriously when they captured anyone.
	Small matter of genocide, they did that.
	So they played a significant role in the Holocaust.
	Atrocities in Eastern Europe, mass killings, brutality against civilian population, wiping out villages, all that kind of stuff.
	Ethnic cleansing, forced deportations.
	In fact, it got so bad with those particular chaps that after the war, the Nuremberg Trials, they got together and it's an international military tribunal.
	They decided that they were a criminal organization and proceeded on sort of tracking them down, you know, those who hadn't been apprehended.
	So, I think we're pretty sure that they are, indeed, bad guys.
	Now, who were they fighting?
	Let's go to... Here we go, this.
	So, the people that the nasty Axis types were fighting were... That's Churchill, he represents the British and also the Commonwealth, places such as Canada, for example.
	That was an American chap, and apparently the guy on the end was a Russian.
	So, um, if you were fighting against these guys, um, you know, uh, from that side, you know, that would be about it.
	So!
	Yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna ignore the fact, of course, that, that Stalin was equally as terrible, and we're not going to examine that.
	Oh, no, no.
	At this time, he was good old, he was being promoted as good old Uncle Joe at the Yes, yeah, and Churchill had absolutely no knowledge of the various Soviet prison complex networks that he handed the prisons of war back over to, because there's no complications on that side either, it's just, that's the narrative.
	Got it?
	Yes.
	That is exactly it.
	So imagine my surprise when the Canadian Parliament did this.
	We have here in the chamber today Ukrainian Canadians, Ukrainian Canadian World Veteran, from the Second World War who fought the Ukrainian independence against the Russians and continues to support the troops today, even at his age of 98.
	For those of you listening to this, this is the Canadian Parliament giving a round of applause.
	A standing ovation?
	A standing ovation, yes.
	In fact, we've cut the sound back because this ovation goes on for a while.
	Then there's a...
	Then there's another round of applause, and then a second standing ovation.
	The Soviet levels of applause.
	I was going to say, it reminds me of the story that Solzhenitsyn tells in Gulag Archipelago, where there was some party dictator.
	It might have even actually been Stalin.
	He was giving a speech, and then everyone stood up and gave a round of applause, and they kept applauding for about half an hour because no one wanted to be the first person to stop.
	The first person that did stop was then sent off to a gulag.
	Yes, yes.
	So lots and lots of applause for this guy who fought in the Second World War, who was an idealist.
	Now why, I've got to say, why the parliamentarians did not twig on this, you know, when the Speaker there said he fought against the Russians, right?
	So what unit was he in?
	Well, yeah, so maybe they Even though the boomer trooper regime puts the Second World War as the founding of the liberal order and that's all that's in the education system.
	I mean, I've studied it about three times over the course of secondary school history.
	Maybe they didn't understand that the Nazi-Soviet pact was quite short and the Canadians probably weren't involved in the war with any immediate skirmishes at that time.
	Yeah, but that was the entire parliament.
	Yeah, maybe they're all a bit dim.
	Because I did speak to Beau, our history buff, about this.
	And apparently, yeah, there was a couple of months where you could be fighting the Russians and not necessarily be, you know, one of the bad guys.
	Yes.
	But that's very nuanced.
	And it's interesting that nobody in the Canadian Parliament twigged who they were clapping for.
	Now, we will come to exactly who they were clapping for, but let's just... Yep, there we go.
	So there is Justin Trudeau leading the applause.
	He's looking very happy.
	We've got Voldemort, Zelinsky there, doing a little fist pump.
	And his wife as well.
	Oh, is that his wife?
	Yes.
	Oh, okay.
	And is that Kristina Freeland?
	Oh, I would assume his wife is in the chamber then, but is that Freeland there as well?
	Because Freeland's grandad was... Well, yes.
	Nazi.
	Yes, I mean, she's looking very happy there.
	She presumably hasn't been that happy with an old guy since her grandad explained what he did during the war.
	Yeah, do you want to read my diaries?
	Yes.
	And, you know, I don't want to just have a dig at, you know, Freeland.
	You know, I would take a pop at Justin's grandad, only I don't know who that is.
	Well, who was Fidel Castro's father?
	Well, I don't want to go there.
	All I will say is, look, I don't know for sure who Justin's dad is, but... No, that's not fair.
	He's in the following photo.
	There we go.
	Oh.
	There's Justin's dad.
	Ah.
	There he is.
	Yes.
	If you're listening, I'll let you catch up on that joke.
	Actually, to be fair, that does look like one of his least convincing blackface get-ups as well, doesn't it?
	Yes.
	Yeah, he was much more authentic as Harry Belafonte singing Deo.
	Yes.
	Is that actually him in the middle?
	Could be.
	Hang on a minute.
	Is that over Fidel's shoulder?
	Is that Josh?
	Just hiding?
	Just recognised through the hair, yes.
	Anyway, continue with, continue with.
	Yeah, so it turns out the person they were clapping was Yaroslav Hunkar, bless you, yes, who was a Ukrainian nationalist who joined the, oh, he joined the SS.
	He was part of the SS Galachnia division, um, which operated, um, oh, in, um, in the Ukraine.
	Ah.
	Ah.
	So, so we just saw the entire Canadian parliament there applauding.
	We're a literal member of the Waffen-SS.
	Well, given by Justin Trudeau's activity for the last few years, it is on brand.
	Well, that's not good, is it?
	I mean, let's remember that Trudeau, not so long ago, was saying that, you know, remember those freedom truckers that helped bring an end to the tyranny we were all experiencing not so long ago?
	It was Trudeau who said that they were a fringe minority and that they included Nazis.
	Yeah, he said they were often sexist, often racist, and I forget which Canadian MP it was, because Ben had it in his book, and we've covered the clip before, but she was Jewish, and she stood up and said that actually, them honking the horns, they were doing two honks, so it was HH, which was code for Hail Mid-Century Germans.
	No doubt, yeah, definitely.
	So, okay, so the truckers were apparently Nazis because they occasionally honked, but the Canadian Parliament was just just filmed giving two standing ovations to a literal SS, Waffen SS soldier.
	I imagine the Canadian parliament are now going to round up all the geese in the country and shoot them as well.
	Even being charitable about this though, like let's assume none of them knew who this guy was.
	It just shows you the power of like the current thing mindset, doesn't it?
	Where it's like this guy opposes the bad guys, the Russians.
	Yeah.
	But that's why I opened with...
	I mean, the Speaker literally read out, he fought against the Russians.
	Yeah.
	But all they hear is, that's all they hear.
	They're against the Russians, and Russians are the current enemy.
	But it was the whole Parliament going...
	Surely some of them must have had enough of a basic understanding about history to say, hang on, so we have the Axis and the Allies, the Russians are on the Allies' side, so who was he fighting for?
	But anything post-38 through to, like, 91 is just a blob of Russia bad, end of history, progressivism good, and so they just can't disaggregate the timeline.
	Because they're too thick.
	It reminds me of 1984, we have always been at war with Eurasia type of energy.
	We've always been at war with Russia.
	In fact, this is part of the reason why we have such a sophisticated sci-op program in the Western world today, because of exactly that image that I showed you earlier, the one with good old Uncle Joe.
	Because we were bigging him up for years as this is good old Uncle Joe, Stalin.
	You know, he's our man.
	He's the friendly uncle from the East.
	We bigged him up for so long.
	And then all of a sudden, after the war ended, we needed to pivot enemies.
	So now we had to suddenly flip from good old Uncle Joe to these other things.
	So all of that war era intelligence operations suddenly got flipped inwards.
	And now we had to sort of suddenly demonize good old Uncle Joe and flip this whole kind of thing around.
	Well, there's something interesting as well that's been repeatedly pointed out by people that we like over at Timcast, and that is in 2013, I believe, the Obama administration repealed a piece of legislation that then allowed them to deliberately propagandize the American public.
	Yeah, and things have gotten a lot worse since then.
	Oh, because they blatantly are.
	Yeah, and so all of those intelligence service apparatus were focused externally on disinformation on foreign countries, and all you need to do is pull out that one little Jenga block, stopping them from doing it to their own people, and then suddenly you get a daily... Oh, and they'd most definitely be doing it before that, they just hadn't had the legal cover to do it, they were just going ahead with it.
	And actually, our friend AA, who did some work on this, he found that they had a budget, I think it was 200 billion, back in the 1940s, to size up their own population.
	That was really insane, that.
	James Burnham at the top of it as well.
	Yeah, he was doing our version of it.
	Oh, that was the Rockefellers that were in charge of that, wasn't it?
	Yep.
	Right.
	That element as well.
	So anyway, so Canadian Parliament applauding a literal Waffen-SS Nazi.
	So I don't often do this, but I made a meme myself.
	A very calum of you, Dan.
	Yes.
	It's a good one.
	For those of you listening, it is... Who's this character?
	It's just David Mitchell.
	Yeah, it's David Mitchell.
	It's that meme of the Nazi saying, are we the bad guys now?
	So I flipped it around.
	Hans, are we the good guys now?
	Because... Our caps have got skulls on them.
	Are we the baddies?
	We're being applauded in the Canadian Parliament.
	Are we the good guys now?
	This was a good thread.
	I won't go directly to the whole thing, but this guy basically points out, because you might say, okay, well the SS was quite a large organisation.
	They started off as, as I understand, as Hitler's bodyguards originally, as the SA in the brown shirts, and then they kind of got built up and built up, and then they were There was hundreds of thousands of them as a sort of police force.
	And then by the time the war came, there was millions of them.
	Um, and they got all the best gear and they were sort of going out there and, you know, doing their, their, their war type stuff.
	So he might've just been the, the, the paper boy or the, or the runner for us.
	Well, because it, because it was such a large organization, maybe he was shuffling the paper back in Berlin or something.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Maybe, maybe, maybe he was just sort of like forced into it as a young kid and had to stick through it.
	And then he.
	Well, he was young, but the division that he joined, as the guy in this thread points out, was operating in Ukraine, where there are numerous reports of villages being burned and civilian populations being wiped out, including one particularly prominent case, where there are numerous reports of villages being burned and civilian populations being wiped out, including one particularly Over a thousand civilians killed.
	So, if he was the paper boy, that wasn't the least incriminating places.
	And as Beau points out, a lot of this is obscured by the fog of history, but if you were in the SS on the Eastern Front during the late stages of the war, you could not be involved in the Holocaust.
	Sorry, it's just quite absurd.
	Like, the fog of history.
	Oh, okay, how unclear is it?
	Well, you were in the SS.
	Yes.
	I mean, normally, yeah, normally the conversation would end at that point.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, normally wouldn't get further than that.
	And this thread goes on to point out that in this particular guy's case, Hunker, so at the end of the war in 1945, he surrendered to British forces in Italy.
	He was held as a prisoner of war until 1947.
	After that, him and some other SS members resettled in Canada.
	Because they've always had a very progressive immigration policy and continue to this day.
	Not Argentina?
	That's surprising.
	No, you presumably had to be a higher rank to get the invite there.
	Now he did come under, the guy who was applauded in the parliament, he did come under investigation for war crimes.
	In fact a whole bunch of his unit were, and some of them got prosecuted for war crimes, but he individually wasn't because of a lack of evidence in his particular case.
	He was probably innocent then.
	Again, can I just point out that Russell Brand, again, no matter what you think about the man's character, the veracity of said allegations, he's not had it presented in the court of law, there's zero evidence, but he's had his entire livelihood taken away and hounded by all of British media and the government.
	Well, government committees that aren't the actual government, whatever.
	This guy just got a standing ovation in the Parliament for maybe conducting the Holocaust.
	Well, as Beau points out, it would be almost inconceivable you could be a member of the SS operating in this region of the war and not be directly involved in the Holocaust.
	It's almost inconceivable.
	Right.
	In the 1980s, this guy, the Canadian government investigated this chap and other SS members who were living in Canada over concerns that they concealed their SS membership when entering Canada.
	However, no charges were filed against him at that time.
	And in 2000s, several prominent historians tried to pressure the Canadian government to get this guy and other members of his unit, have their Canadian citizen stripped from them.
	Although that ultimately was not a successful effort.
	So, look, we've got a young man here who joined the SS.
	So, you know, we can say that in his favour.
	He was a young man.
	He wasn't a major or a colonel in the SS or anything like that.
	I mean, he was low level and he never ultimately got charged with a crime.
	So, you know, maybe it wasn't so bad.
	I mean, it's not as bad as, say, for example, being one of those young men who was president January 6th.
	Right, okay.
	So, Jake and Chansley, the QAnon shaman.
	Yes.
	Worse than the SS.
	Well, obviously.
	I mean, we can see, obviously, that that must be the case because, you know, those young men at January the 6th, you know, they got the book thrown at them.
	You know, they're getting tortured even to this day with months and months of solitary confinement.
	You know, they're basically being denied trial and where they are being given trial, it's being heavily rigged against them and the judges, suitable judges, are being found to make sure that they go away for an incredibly long period of time.
	But that's obviously worse than being a member of the SS during the Holocaust.
	So wait, does that mean that on the rank of historical atrocities according to the American Empire, 9-11 is more important than the Holocaust?
	January 6th, yeah.
	No, but actually 9-11 as well, because obviously Guantanamo was set up for that, but this guy gets Canadian citizenship.
	So, I mean, the ADLs can be very upset with Justin Trudeau.
	Oh yeah, I mean, like you say, walking around in a shaman outfit and standing behind the Speaker's podium is clearly well above small things like massacre of civilians, violations of the Geneva Convention, mass killings, brutality against civilians, population dispersal, ethnic cleansing and the Holocaust.
	But have you considered that Enrico Tario, who wasn't even in DC at the time, sent a text?
	And so deserves 20 years.
	Well, speaking of the Proud Boys, they are literally like a prescribed terrorist organisation in Canada, aren't they?
	So literally worse than this guy.
	The Proud Boys are worse than the SS.
	Fair point, fair point.
	Let's have a look.
	So here's some snaps of this chap when he was young.
	There he is in his SS uniform.
	He's the guy standing in the middle at the back.
	So don't take this the wrong way, but they did have quite good uniforms.
	I will say that.
	See, I think they look quite baggy.
	They're not the best.
	Yeah, but you want something functional while you're burning villages, don't you?
	I mean, it's the right compromise between sort of freedom of movement and, you know, a nice cut.
	So I will give him that.
	Here's another photo of him.
	He's the second on the left on that one.
	Yep, there he is.
	Is he standing in Michael Gove's nostrils?
	You would think, wouldn't you?
	And do we have any more photos of this man?
	Oh, there he is!
	He's the one up by the machine gun without the helmet on.
	Right, and who's he shelling?
	I don't know.
	Maybe they've just burnt out a Polish... Vladimir Putin?
	I don't know.
	Not great.
	Difficult to say without context, but there he is, and these are photos that he himself put up.
	Just by way of comparison to this chap, let's bear in mind that friend of the show, Andrew Bridgerton, was thrown out of the British Conservative Party because he quoted a Jewish doctor.
	Yes.
	A Jewish-Israeli doctor.
	And what that Jewish-Israeli doctor said was that a certain thing, which may or may not be leading to massive death counts now that we can't really talk about on a censorship platform, Um, was the worst thing since the Holocaust.
	So basically, you know, the Holocaust was really bad, but after that time, this was the next worst thing.
	And, um, for that, Bridgen was thrown out of the Conservative Party and will therefore probably, although hopefully not, probably lose his seat at the next election.
	What he did not do is stand up in Parliament and start clapping for a literal member of the SS.
	And yet there is a Commonwealth Parliamentary group applauding For the literal SS.
	But everyone as well.
	Not a single member of the opposition Conservative Party, who I presume were present at the time because they also want to kiss Salenti's backside, thought, hang on a minute.
	Yeah, they all heard, he fought against the Russians in World War II.
	Yep, sounds legit.
	He's literally me.
	Our guy.
	I mean, it just goes to show what a complete and utter farce these claims of anti-Semitism that they throw around today, you know, when you compare the Bridget case to this one.
	So, what did the Centre for Holocaust Studies say to this?
	They said that this particular division that this guy belonged to was responsible for mass murder of innocent civilians with a level of brutality and malice that is unimaginable.
	An apology is owed to every Holocaust survivor and veteran of the Second World War who fought the Nazis.
	An explanation must be provided as to how this individual entered the hallowed halls of the Canadian Parliament and received recognition from the Speaker of the House and a standing ovation.
	So that's what the...
	Hashtag Slava Ukraine.
	Yes.
	Well, yes, that's what the Centre for the Holocaust Studies had to say about it.
	Yes.
	So anyway, the Canadian Parliament is at this moment in full panic mode about this.
	This is one... I think she's a Liberal MP.
	I mean, she's... If you can see the profile... Well, she has pronouns in her bio.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	So, I would assume so.
	Although, to be fair, again, Canadian Conservative Party.
	Can't tell these days.
	Yeah, yeah, honestly, it's very difficult.
	But what she says is, like all MPs, I had no further information than the Speaker provided.
	Yeah.
	But what the Speaker provided is you fought against the Russians.
	Just learn some basic bloody history.
	Hold on a minute, I've read ahead.
	Right.
	Actually, that goes on to say, exiting the chamber, I walked by the individual and took a photo.
	Oh, the plot thickens!
	As a descendant of the Jewish Holocaust survivors, I would ask all parliamentarians to stop politicising the issue, so troubling to many, myself included.
	So please, please stop talking about this immediately, everybody.
	It's great to label a bunch of peaceful protesters as literal Nazis and possibly introduce a federal agent in there masked up, waving a Nazi flag that was then immediately kicked out, but say represented the entire protest.
	That's fine.
	You can call all your enemies Nazis.
	But when you applaud an actual Nazi and show that you pose a photo with them, it's okay for you to politicize it by saying actually my grandparents were Jewish Holocaust survivors so I'm immune from this.
	I like myself as exempt.
	But it's not okay for us to call you up on the fact you don't know what you're talking about.
	Yes.
	Just making sure I'm on the same page.
	Got it.
	Yes, that's quite right.
	So my understanding is from people close to this, is that there is now a concerted attempt to throw the speaker under the bus for this one because he did the introduction.
	Who invited him?
	I think it really came through the Speaker's office.
	However, I would point out, and I've spent some time in our Parliament, I think you have as well, you do not get within spitting distance of the Executive without going through a vetting process.
	I've worked in Parliament a couple of times, and every time there's like a three-week wake beforehand, while basically MI5 does a full background check on you or whoever it is that's doing it, you do not get invited into the chamber and given that sort of reception without being vetted to hell.
	Unless you're very quickly personally invited by one of the MPs and just rushed past security.
	Yeah.
	Which means that someone did this.
	Yes.
	And so their reputation, probably not the speaker's, is on the chopping block.
	Yes.
	And presumably if they're going as high as throwing the speaker under the bus, it's someone very high in the Liberal Party, possibly Trudeau himself, that signed off on it.
	And it would just look really bad if they admitted to it.
	What actually was the context of this guy being there in the first place?
	Was it literally just, look, this is an old guy who doesn't like Russians?
	Yeah, genuinely.
	Because Ukraine, it's basically the Ukrainian dignitaries and Zelensky turned up to Gibbs.
	And so they said, here we go.
	We totally abide by Ukraine.
	Here's a man who also hates Russia.
	Don't ask where he was in the 1950s.
	But I mean, you've already said this, I know, but it's just, we have to point out, fought the Russians in the Second World War.
	That should be a clue.
	Like, who did?
	Okay, what side do you think this guy was on?
	Because the Russians were on our side, right?
	Say what you want about that, but they were.
	Yeah, now I suppose he could have been... He could have been regular German Army.
	And actually, I'm not that bothered about the regular German Army.
	I think those guys were actually, for the most part, pretty honourable.
	Well, they also didn't have an option, let's be honest.
	You were conscripted, your country declares war on another country.
	If you're not a literal Dachau camp guard, I mean, you don't... Same with the First World War, the majority of shots fired in the First World War were fired over the heads of the enemies, because most people didn't want to shoot the other person on the other side.
	Yes.
	I've read a whole bunch of diaries of Germans and British who were in the Second World War.
	Interestingly, I note that the British quite respected their German army counterparts.
	They didn't think much of their French allies.
	I found that interesting.
	But they quite respected their German regular army counterparts.
	So I suppose it's possible he could have been a member of that and that's what they were thinking.
	It's still a bit dodgy to stand up and clap for that.
	And in the Canadian Parliament, that's just, come on.
	They're never going to applaud anyone, even moderately associated.
	But the SS, it wasn't the regular army.
	You had to demonstrate a level of ideological commitment to Hitler personally and Nazi ideology to get into the SS and it was a whole part of their culture to regularly be pushing this.
	You had serious rigorous training as well.
	Just the interpersonal boxing regimens and the reading you had to do, because you were meant to be the elite of the elite.
	Well, and my understanding is that the regular army would do the regular fighting stuff and then the SS would come through and do the absolute criminality stuff, the stuff that regular soldiers wouldn't do.
	And we know this because after the war we got a whole bunch of German officers and we sort of took them to this nice place in the English countryside and we basically just bugged everything and listened to their conversations.
	And yes, there were some high-ranking German army officials who were sympathetic to the SS, but most of them were absolutely disgusted in the pool.
	And this was private conversations amongst themselves.
	So yeah, the SS were criminals, even by the standards of the Germans of the time.
	that we're in.
	So, you know, I'm just going to wrap this bit up by saying, you know, thank goodness there are no Nazis operating in Ukraine today.
	And maybe we throw in a stone-tossed comic as well.
	There you go.
	Hope I don't trigger anyone with this one.
	I'm so glad we're all paying for this.
	Speaking of things we can't pay for...
	Yeah, so today I want to talk to you about the most important institution in England.
	I'm not talking about Parliament, I'm not talking about the church, I'm not talking about the monarchy, I'm talking... You're not going to say marriage, are you?
	No, heavens no.
	I'm talking...
	About the pub.
	The heart of the English.
	It's a good-looking pub, actually.
	I'll try not to dox myself, but it used to be my local.
	Beautiful place.
	Anyway, before we begin, I'll point you towards another English institution that's actually been long dormant.
	You can read my reflections on the Witan, which was probably about a month ago now.
	Dan, you were there.
	I was indeed, making a comeback to the Witan after many centuries of absence.
	Oh yes, yes.
	Very good, and I'd recommend anybody who can get there next year, go, because it was fantastic.
	But anyway, to the story at hand, I saw this story last week, two pubs a day disappearing in England and Wales, and I felt very, very sad, because I am an Englishman, I love my pub, I love my pint, and I think it's a really core part of our culture.
	Two a day?
	Two a day.
	How many of these, and I ask this because this happened to a local one near me, how many of these are getting firebombed by gypsies or Albanian gangsters for insurance claims?
	I couldn't give you a figure, but it does happen, I'm told.
	Yes.
	I know of one case.
	Yes.
	To be fair, they're probably doing that out of sheer desperation at this point.
	Well, one of them was because a guy owed a gypsy gangster a lot of money, and then he went and slept with the guy's wife.
	And then he... As one does.
	Well, fairs do.
	You know, there goes your business.
	Which, you play with fire and get burned a little bit.
	But yeah, there are quite a few of these sort of things.
	I mean, there was one recently that was...
	I can't remember, was it near Hull that got burned down by the owner because he wanted to make a claim on that?
	Are you talking about, how do I scroll down on this?
	It's a down button.
	Was it the Cricket House?
	Oh that was, yeah yeah, there we go.
	I can see into the future apparently.
	Yeah, well this incident sparked huge outrage, especially among the local community, because this was such an important part of their local culture.
	You know, this was like an iconic place.
	But yeah, burned down presumably for insurance purposes.
	It's kind of the linchpin of a small community is the pub.
	Every time I go on holiday to somewhere like Cornwall, early in the summer I take the family there and we go and stay in these little villages.
	They're always centred around a pub and it's absolutely key to the community.
	Following this story, I decided to actually go around and talk to some publicans in my home county of Kent, have a chat with them and just find out what their concerns are and their view on what's going on in our country at the moment.
	Because you read these stories but you don't actually often hear from the people that it is affecting most deeply.
	So before we go in, I do just want to say some of the stats that the BBC give here.
	So figures show that 230 pubs vanished in the three months from the 30th of June, which is an increase over the previous quarter when the doors to 153 pubs were closed.
	It means that 383 pubs were demolished or converted for other uses between January and June.
	And last year, like for the whole of last year, it was 386.
	So already we've pretty much, we're going to surpass the number that closed for the entirety of last year.
	So that brings the total down.
	I mean, there's still 39,404 pubs in England and Wales, which, you know, is a lot.
	But if they're closing at this rate, that is going to decline very quickly.
	Have you got much on the reasons as to why they are shutting?
	Because I have some theories.
	I mean, from the conversations that I've had, there are a few sort of top line issues that people are talking about.
	These are things like VAT, minimum wage, cost of running the business, electricity, gas and so on.
	Cost of employing staff and the enormous like avalanche of red tape that people have to put up.
	One of the other things I've seen, and this survey came mainly out of America because they were surveying 12th graders, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a little bit of trickle over here because of the effects of lockdown and general cultural changes.
	And this is something that when you, Carl, and AA were talking about how to get girls, basically just turn up to a pub and ask one out.
	It does sort of hinge on a pub actually being open.
	Well, not open, full.
	Because the increasing amount of 18s, 20-year-olds have never tried alcohol and just don't go out and socialize and spend a lot of their time online is on the up.
	So Gen Z are just not flocking to these places.
	I think the lockdowns will be a huge factor in why a lot of these pubs are closing.
	Because any typical business, especially if it's seasonal or whatever it is, and pubs presumably do a lot better in summer than they do in winter or whatever it is, But with any business, basically the income goes like that and you've got a cash buffer between the costs that you must meet and your sort of income coming in.
	You've got a cash buffer in between.
	What COVID would have done is basically wiped out that cash buffer and basically people who went below the line closed down over COVID.
	And those who just about managed to get through it, you know, they might be just on that line, but any dips up and down either side due to seasonality or whatever it is, or other costs that come up, it's going to push them under.
	So I think why these pubs are closing, it is a whole selection of issues We're probably the big one as to why what accelerated that line would have been Covid.
	The lockdowns, not Covid.
	From what I've been able to gather, that buffer that you're talking about is extremely thin.
	Oh yeah, I can imagine.
	It's extremely thin.
	So moving on then, last year Josh and Harry covered the death of the British pub, covering this same issue, mostly because of the consequences of lockdowns, you know, pubs across the country closing.
	At a ridiculous rate, and it seems to only be getting worse, frankly.
	So, onto my conversations that I've had then with these publicans around my home county of Kent.
	I specifically wanted to talk to independent publicans, so these are not Weatherspoon's managers, not Green Kings, not ones that are part of sort of pub or restaurant chains, but just literally independent local people.
	So I'm going to keep them anonymous as well, because I wanted them to speak freely, so you'll just have to take my word on this stuff.
	It came to me in a dream.
	Exactly, yeah.
	But I began by asking these people about themselves and sort of how long they've been publicans, why they got into the trade, and in pretty much in most cases they'd been in the industry for their whole lives, and some parents had been in the industry before them, so it's a tradition, right, you know, to sum it up.
	I mean, others only began in the last few years, but in each case they all felt very passionately about their business.
	Their reason for getting into the business was never money.
	It was never to, you know, get rich.
	It was always a vocational pursuit.
	Something they wanted to do because it was a kind of calling.
	They wanted to bring the community together.
	They wanted to be that kind of hub that allows people to It must be a very consuming job, because it's not like an office job where you finish at 5 and you go home and you don't even think about it.
	I mean, you open presumably at like 11 and you're still there until 11 at night.
	Especially because loads of them live above it as well.
	Well, yes, and that was the case for some of the people that I spoke to.
	So, for example, one person said to me that she's done 20 jobs while she's still in her pyjamas most days.
	They work generally 12-hour days, late finishes, early starts.
	And there are no days off.
	That was another thing that I really picked up.
	If you own a pub, you don't get days off.
	One couple that I spoke to, they took a holiday to Spain late last year and that was the first holiday they'd taken for some time.
	And while they were on holiday, their phone lines went down, which meant that they couldn't take any bookings for that weekend and they had to get on the phone to BT and sort it out and it was a whole thing.
	And they predict that they estimate they lost about £10,000 worth of business, literally just from that one tiny thing.
	And I think when I heard that, I thought that's just one, that's something I would never even imagine as being a problem I'd have to deal with when running my business.
	But it's little details like that that add up to turn this into a job that is incredibly demanding.
	But again, you know, these are people that are not in it for an easy life.
	They're not in it to make money.
	They're in it because they love it.
	They love their community, and they want to provide that kind of service to the people that they live around.
	I think it's a really beautiful thing, and I think that it makes it all the more depressing.
	Very much a part of the English character, isn't it?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	These are not things that can be quantified.
	You can't map this feeling onto a spreadsheet.
	certainly talk about often.
	These are not things that can be quantified.
	You know, these are not things you can't map this feeling onto a spreadsheet.
	Um, it's a qualitative experience, you know, going to a pub.
	Um, and another thing that I, um, sort of really felt when I was talking to these people is that they really resent the sort of weather spoonsification of the industry.
	By which I mean, sitting at a table and ordering on an app instead of going up to the bar, having a conversation with the barman, you know, and all the rest of it.
	Instead, it just becomes one, one guy that I spoke to said it's like a factory canteen.
	Yes.
	A Weatherspoons.
	Um, literally just, I know exactly what he means because the other big trend that I see is um chain pubs trying to pretend to be independent yes yeah you see that a lot a lot yeah but i can always tell when i go up and order at the bar whether it's an actually an independent or pretending to be an independent from the way that you're treated when you get there absolutely if it's that personal connection type thing it's just it's a different feeling yeah then you know you're independent and if it's if it's like you say a canteen um then you know oh hang on this is a
	this is a chain disguised as an independent one What also fills out the social texture is by nature of sitting at the table and ordering via the app, each consumer is itemised, so you don't have those chance encounters of walking past a table or going up to the bar and having a chat with someone you'd never expected before.
	So the characters that inhabit those pubs They might still frequent it, but they keep themselves to themselves, or their little groups, so people are more atomized over time.
	And yet, the Weatherspoons of this world have the advantage in this industry, because they are able to charge the least for drinks and food, and they have the kind of support structure which means that if one pub is failing, they have the money to sort of inject into it and save it, whereas if your independent pub is failing, you're dead, basically.
	I mean, I haven't looked at this for years, but I know their core structure advantage when they were starting out is that they could buy huge quantities of beer, which is quite close to exacerbation.
	Yes, because they'll sell it off.
	Yeah.
	And they didn't sell you expired beer.
	It's just they had the network that they could push it out very, very quickly.
	So therefore, they had an automatic cost advantage immediately.
	And also, if you're not hiring family members, you're hiring a revolving door of students and student towns.
	Yes.
	To appreciate wages.
	Well, that's another interesting quality that these independent pubs have, is that the staff are always local people.
	And it might be kids, but it's kids who live two minutes down the road.
	It's not sort of fly-by-night employees who are just interchangeable, as you say.
	So, just onto some more of the conversation that I had.
	Something that one of them said that I really liked was, someone has to do it.
	That was kind of the attitude.
	As if the existence of the pub is non-negotiable, right?
	Someone has to do it, so it might as well be me, right?
	It's almost a duty thing.
	And again, I think that's really beautiful.
	I think it's a great attitude.
	And you will find as well that among the types of people that own pubs, these independent publicans, there is a tremendous value placed on hard work, which is no surprise because their everyday is just non-stop work of one sort or another, whether it's behind the bar, pulling pints, talking to customers, or in the back office doing paperwork, you know, literally mountains of paperwork by the sounds of it.
	So I then asked them about sort of the kind of general trends in the industry, changes that they've seen over the last few years.
	And the feeling I came away with was basically that people are less willing to come out and pay the rates that they have to charge for drinks and food because of the sort of economic situation that we find ourselves in.
	They are seeing that people are just more, I don't know, once people might come out Friday, Saturday, Sunday, now they'll only come out on one of those days.
	It's also a demographic problem because we have got relative to the baby boomers who were a very popular culture, same with the Gen Xers.
	We've got a smaller cohort of the domestic population who are most likely to drink.
	And then you've, you've split that domestic population down to the sort of slug and lettuce going normies.
	Again, more frequent the chain, like a spoon or something, or people that are like biohackers and don't drink.
	I mean, I sort of fall into that these days or people that are just terminally online and never even leave the house.
	And then the other thing that's driving population increase are all of the New Britons, whose often religion prohibits them from drinking, so they're not going to end up in your local unless it's going to be turned into a mosque.
	We'll get to that.
	Oh bugger.
	We'll get to that Connor, don't you worry about that.
	So, I also spoke to them about Covid and Brexit and that sort of thing.
	Now, generally, Brexit, they say, didn't have any effect at all on the industry, which is quite interesting given the level of fear-mongering at the time.
	But it won't be a surprise to learn that some of these people generally were in support of Brexit because they recognised that... and the reason given, generally, was the sovereignty argument.
	Because they recognize that power being ceded to, essentially what amounts to a foreign power, is wrong.
	And they have that sense.
	Because these are not, this is the interesting thing, these are not political people, the people that I spoke to.
	They followed politics because they were adults and they were business owners and they were serious people.
	But they didn't think about politics in the way that, for example, us three would.
	And yet, they did have this instinctive feeling that a foreign power having sovereignty over your country was wrong.
	As custodians of the culture, you'd like to keep your culture in place rather than have the continental Germans liquidate it down to the European super state?
	Indeed.
	That's totally understandable.
	Yeah.
	COVID on the other hand was a huge problem for them, which is obviously no surprise.
	And that's by which I mean the government response to COVID, the lockdowns and all the rest of it.
	Now, the stories did vary because some people said that the support was more than adequate and that they were actually really grateful to Boris Johnson's Conservative Party for the measures that they put in place.
	Others didn't feel that way.
	Others said that they were essentially left to the dogs.
	Are the ones that realise it's on their business model because there was those two Christmases where they were told basically go out and spend a huge amount of money on stock and then ha ha you're gonna have to bin it now after they'd spent all that money.
	So I wonder if this is a wet-lead or food-lead difference.
	It's also the fact that there are those who realise that Eat Out Help Out is something they're paying for now in inflation.
	They all realise that.
	Oh right, okay.
	I would assume that some of them thought Eat Out Help Out was proportionate to the amount of income they might have been getting as a slight slump before the pandemic.
	It was like, oh, all good and fancy.
	And since that's gone away, it's like, no, you are actually paying for that for the back end now.
	Yes, yeah.
	Yeah, but again, Covid, broadly the sense was that it was a hugely damaging thing for their industry and the aftermath which we're living through now, well, it continues to have a terrible impact on their level of business.
	If nothing else, it's reset your habits.
	Because, you know, I used to go a lot more before Covid because I couldn't.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	You just, your habits just, just change when you can the other side.
	Well, one thing that was actually really interesting that one guy said to me was, um, he feels like after COVID people, people change in a way that, uh, that's sort of less patient now and less sort of, um, maybe charitable, I suppose, when they're patronizing a business.
	They're more demanding, maybe.
	And I thought that was quite an interesting take, because I can kind of see where he was coming from with that.
	Because I think that the kind of furlough culture that COVID created probably has led to people being a little bit more, feeling more entitled than they may have done before.
	If everything's order on demand, then you expect in-person businesses to operate with the same level of impersonality and efficiency.
	And you add to that, again, the Wetherspoonsification of the industry, where everything is just press button on phone, go, go, go, go.
	Well, they are, yeah, and we'll get to that as well.
	So next I talk to them about the very complex regulatory and tax landscape of their industry.
	Absolutely.
	And on this they were pretty much unanimous that VAT is killing their industry.
	So they're paying, I think it's something like 20% on food and drinks at the moment.
	And that is amounting to, well, several people who I spoke to said they were paying tens of thousands, you know, 25,000 plus a year in VAT on what they're selling.
	And they said that you add that to the cost of energy, the cost of employing staff, and then all the BS they have to put up with, with the various little problems, the fires they have to put out on a daily basis.
	And it's no surprise that these businesses are going under at a rate of two a day.
	Well also all these costs are cascading down the supply chain.
	If they have to procure the goods in the first place, if petrol and energy are going up, then just getting the lorries to show up to get your beer kegs in is going to be more expensive than it was four years ago.
	Indeed.
	This is probably broader than just a pub issue.
	This is just a doing business in Britain today problem.
	So I've got a broken on which I think is coming out tomorrow where I spoke to a couple of smaller housing developers about the sort of Because you would imagine what that process is of building a house.
	It's not what you think it is.
	It is a huge amount of bullshit and consultants and extra taxes and all the rest of it that happens really early on in that process.
	It's basically every industry that I ever look at, there's a vast amount of red tape bullshit and taxes that gets loaded into the bit that you don't see because basically it's government stealth taxes and rent seeking and all the rest of it that goes on.
	Well, on the red tape, this was another really funny little anecdote.
	One of the people that I spoke to told me was, uh, he needed four different licenses to have a TV and play music in his pub.
	Yeah.
	And they were all, they all required different paperwork.
	And something else he told me was that in order for the chef to be allowed to play music in the kitchen while he's cooking, that required a license.
	You know, it was just all these, all these things that are essentially amounts of covering people's backsides legally.
	Um, just, you know, sort of just arbitrary.
	And when this spirit emerged, you know, whenever, well, I mean, I know that British pub culture goes back a very long time indeed, but I mean, just, just, just take say something like the seventies, a pub was open your doors, have some beer.
	Yes.
	And, and now the, I just can't imagine the amount of bullshit they have to go through.
	Yeah, there is a lot.
	And the other thing that one of the people I spoke to said was the kind of red tape, like the pat testing and food hygiene ratings and all the rest of it, it's all stuff that hasn't actually made a particular material difference to anything.
	Like before those things came in, pubs weren't just burning down left, right and centre.
	People weren't dropping dead from food poisoning.
	It's not like churches in France, you know, it's nothing like that.
	Indeed, yes.
	But, you know, these weren't widespread problems, but these arbitrary regulations were brought in, again, essentially to cover people's arses.
	And it just means that these people have more to do.
	For no particular reason.
	Yeah, by enforcing a bureaucratic standard, you drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator that some idiot who isn't using common sense would have to.
	But then that means just people can get away with working up and to the line.
	Yes.
	And so rather than that social texture being that which governs it, it's again the bureaucracy and people that can just be in the revolving door as long as they learn the rules, for as long as they get paid for it.
	Because the rule makers think that's a minimum standard We're going to drag everyone below the minimum standard up to it.
	But actually, like you say, what it does is it drags people above that standard down to the line as well.
	And again, back to the sense of duty that I got from the people that I was speaking to, I don't think these are people that would be cutting corners if given the option to.
	I think these are people who want to provide a good service to their community.
	They want for it to be of high quality.
	They don't want to just, because again, they're not in it for the money, they're in it to provide people with a good experience.
	And so I don't think they would.
	In the absence of these kinds of regulations, I don't think they would just allow it all to go to shit.
	I think it would be fine.
	But again, they have to put up with this stuff.
	So then I moved on to more broad questions about the condition of England.
	And this was very interesting to hear from these people because these are people who are essentially leaders of their community.
	They are staple people and I think that their views probably reflect the views in their community.
	One of them told me quite simply that there is no hope.
	Which I thought was very important.
	I didn't realise Peter Hitchens owned a pub.
	Yeah, apparently so.
	No one who I spoke to felt good about the direction of our country, and who can blame them?
	You know, especially in their industry, seeing what they're seeing, where they're seeing pubs dropping dead left, right and centre.
	I don't think it's any surprise that these people don't feel good about the direction of our country.
	And the general The specific problems that were highlighted were, again, very consistent.
	They were quite unanimous on this.
	So it was the poor quality of our leaders, the ridiculous taxes, the decline of the economy, the number of people quote, screwing the system, and of course, immigration as well.
	And another sense that I had, now a couple of them did say this, but this was an impression I had from everybody who I did speak to, was that they felt they had no voice in mainstream politics.
	They have no representation among the elites.
	And fundamentally, they feel that the elites are not on their side.
	They feel the elites are actually against them and trying to Keep them down and push them down, which I think is really depressing.
	I mean, it shows you another, it's just another example of how our elite class are completely disconnected from the sort of sort of the earth people who actually make up our country and who regard them basically as a regulatory problem to be solved instead of as indispensable opponents of our country.
	Just publicans who would say these things.
	I think everybody who does something that is actually useful will agree with all of that.
	Yes, I think the three industries you're going to get that most in are cab drivers, because they are the ones who are having their livelihoods driven off the road.
	Publicans, because top-down pressures like the WHO that want to actually eliminate alcohol consumption are doing behavioural nudge policies to drive their industry to extinction.
	And barbers, By that I mean those of those that aren't drug fronts and do actually cut people's hair and have people in the chair every day and hear very different stories from very different industries.
	I'm just wondering is there a whole second country out there which is running parallel with the world that we see?
	People who do bullshit consultancy and are part of the bureaucracy and do I don't know, maybe the people who issue the certifications, the people in the productive part of the economy.
	Is there a whole second economy out there that look at the world today and think, yeah, we've got good leaders and sensible rules and taxes are too low and all that kind of stuff?
	Yeah, it's called the civil service.
	They just get a cab through all the shit parts of London.
	But the thing is, it's not just the civil service at this point.
	It is a huge bunch of consultancies Who, you know, issue the, and it's not government.
	It's like that second, it's that non-governmental tier of bullshit that is even too bullshit for government to do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They exist.
	They absolutely exist.
	And everyone in there feels soulless doing it as well.
	That's something that every sort of young person that goes into this, they feel that they're mulching a machine and they feel constantly compromised.
	By the time they get to an executive position, they've been so compromised.
	I don't believe what they, the convictions they have when going into it.
	And so they just go along with what the next guy says.
	Yeah.
	Great.
	Yep.
	But I concluded my interviews by asking these people what the pub as an institution actually means to them, what it represents.
	And literally again, unanimous in every case, I'll give you a quote actually.
	So quote, it's the hub of the community.
	It's a place where if you want something done, work done on your car or building work, you go to the pub.
	There's always someone in there who's in the trade.
	Before mobile phones, you went to the pub.
	I think, again, I just think that's beautiful.
	I think that's a social fabric that is disappearing in this country for the various reasons that we've outlined here.
	And I think that losing that would be a tragedy because the pub is one of the oldest institutions in this country.
	You can actually trace it back to Roman Britain.
	It's not quite the same as what we have now, but it is a sort of consistent feature of the Anglo experience.
	It's a place where the community does come together, generally over alcohol.
	You know, say what you want about that.
	And just socializes, you know, relaxes, unwinds.
	That was another thing that some people I spoke to said.
	They said that it's a place that's not really serious.
	It is a place where you can let loose a little bit.
	You can kind of, I don't know, just relax after a hard day's work.
	And I think that those places are more and more, well that experience is more and more confined to our homes in the modern world, again with the kind of atomization that we talk about.
	Whereas actually it's an important thing to be among your countrymen when you do want to relax because it does engender this social fabric that you can't You can't create that in any other way.
	I don't think you can impose that from the top down.
	A lack of pressure release valves also means that if this is driven back into the home, those feelings don't go away.
	That need for catharsis doesn't happen there.
	Instead, you're just increasing the amount of interactions within the household that could break up that household through an argument or something.
	That's a great point.
	The pub also exists in the modern day for men to go and complain about their wives because it's not that they don't love them but they do need some time away and so if you snatch the pub away from working men well then you're going to snatch men away from their wives.
	I mean where else is there that you can go for this purpose in the modern world?
	None because pretty much all the men's sports clubs and social circles and that were destroyed by equality legislation.
	And then I mean there's obviously I mean I thought maybe something comparable is the church but obviously that's as you'll no doubt attest to that's been gutted in the same sort of way.
	We can try and revive it but there are forces from the top working against us like Pope Francis denying the existence of a mass migrant crisis.
	Indeed.
	And also, what does it do to people's set of soft skills?
	I mean, that is what you used to go to the pub for.
	You'd learn how to socialize, how to talk to people, how to navigate conflicts, how to deal with new people, how to get around political concerns.
	All of those things were skills that you could learn in something like a pub.
	If we're now deriving our entertainment from sitting at home watching Netflix, where basically we're having one side of the argument broadcast to us and there's no feedback mechanism, You can see a whole generation of people whose social skills are atrophying off the back of this.
	Yeah, why the internet autism has become a social contagion.
	And for as little as £5 a month, you can do more than that.
	So seriously though, with the coats all gone, with the knee.
	Yeah, indeed.
	So what do we take away from all this?
	Well, I think there's a few salient points again, which my interviewers were unanimous on, which is first of all, the pub is one of the most important institutions in English life.
	Second, the government seems to be doing all it can to cripple this industry through taxation and excessive regulation.
	Third, this constituency doesn't feel represented in mainstream politics.
	And I think that those, I mean, it's a damning indictment, if one were even necessary, of the current elite that we have.
	And another thing that I really noticed about this, I mean, I've already mentioned Weatherspoons and those sorts of organizations in this conversation, but this, to get a little bit theoretical about it, it brought to mind sort of James Burnham's distinction between managers and owners, which is that managers don't have that kind of, they're a kind of fly-by-night character.
	They don't have the investment in the business that an owner does.
	An owner cares about the business because it is theirs.
	And if the business goes under, well, no one's going to be there to save them.
	Whereas a manager, if the business goes under, leave and go somewhere else to do the exact same job with the exact same set of skills.
	And this distinction was brought into sharp relief when I was having these conversations.
	And it showed me that the kind of system that we have now, which is essentially what I would call managerial capitalism, read my article on that on lotusseaters.com.
	It does create this culture where it's just purely about efficiency and growth.
	It's not about creating a good quality experience and creating a texture that can't be quantified or put into a spreadsheet.
	If it's not monetizable, it doesn't matter.
	You have to be constantly maximizing and efficientizing in order to stay afloat of this.
	As you describe it, the government, which is...
	I mean, you said that the government is trying to destroy these people through taxes and regulations.
	I don't know if it's necessarily the government are consciously trying to destroy.
	Oh, no, I'm not necessarily saying that.
	I think the government is more like a heroin user who is well on their way to hitting rock bottom.
	Yes.
	They're not deliberately trying to destroy themselves.
	They just got locked into a series of destructive behaviors.
	They can't break out of it.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, we desperately need something to break.
	Yes.
	And hopefully that thing will be the government, not the people.
	Yeah, well, we can only hope.
	But that kind of managerial model also has the advantage as well.
	Like I said, you can inject funds from another pub into a failing pub and save it, whereas the independently owned entrepreneurial pub just goes under.
	And it's no surprise, therefore, that we're seeing as many go under as we are.
	But I thought I'd finish off.
	On another blackpilling note, which is that this story is also something that is happening a lot, which is that pubs are being bought and knocked down and turned into mosques and other sorts of...
	To make way for the pastimes of the New Britons.
	Indeed.
	So we have this one, which is from 2020.
	This one, 2019.
	This one, 2013.
	So this is a long-term problem.
	And as a matter of fact, one of the publicans who I spoke to told me that his mum and dad owned a pub for decades.
	And then, you know, the business went under.
	They sold the pub, immediately knocked down and turned into a mosque.
	Right, this is the kind of thing that Andrew Tate will be celebrating on Twitter, isn't it?
	Well, indeed.
	Islam's going to save Britain by no longer being Britain.
	So I'm told, yes.
	But I think that there is incredible symbolism in this phenomenon.
	I find it to be a deeply depressing thing.
	And again, I think we'll finish up with these two stories of two pubs that are close to our hearts here, or rather this one's close to my heart because Canterbury is very near where I live.
	Yeah, I lived there for three odd, four years.
	So this is a pub that's being closed potentially in order to make way for a kebab takeaway shop as if Canterbury needs any more of those.
	You'll attest to that Connor?
	One of them burnt down on the street corner actually near Westgate Inn a few years ago, and nobody lost anything of value.
	Indeed.
	And this final story that the Weatherspoon's just down the road from where we are sitting right now, the Sir Daniel's Arms in Swindon, is up for sale.
	So, I would say that if you're at a loose end tonight, go down to your local, have a beer, have a chat with the publican, and just enjoy the experience of the English pub, because it might not be something that we have for very much longer.
	Bloody hell, Charlie, we're all going to need a drink after that.
	Right, on to the final one.
	Hopefully this might be a bit more light-hearted because we might be able to mock the state of the government.
	So we're about a week out from the Conservative Party Conference which I will be attending again this year with our intrepid cameraman Rory and I'm sorry to report that The Conservatives continue to be unmitigated containment for any kind of revitalization of the culture and any kind of motivated action from the traditionalist right.
	If you'd like to learn more about what has been done to us, how culturally deracinated we have become, you can subscribe to our website for as little as £5 a month to get the audio track for Rory's latest article, The Preeminent Standard.
	This is a very metaphysically rich article about the local outlet center in Swindon that used to be the big factory for GWR.
	And we walked around it today, actually.
	I've never been there before, but I did proofread this, and it's fantastic.
	And it is like somewhere, the heart of the town, the industrial manufacturing hub of Swindon, has been hollowed out by the anywheres of global brands.
	You walk around that place and you think, this must have been remarkable in its day.
	And now there are cranes and lights in the ceiling that would have been about 100 years ago, been used to create great steam engines.
	They're now hanging like ornaments above a Ralph Lauren and a KF.
	Hanging like corpses, I think you would say.
	Yeah, yeah, it's like the flesh pits in Mortal Kombat.
	Anyway, so on to the first one with enemies, with politicians like these who needs enemies, um, Rory Stewart.
	Just look at that thumbnail.
	For the audience who are listening, this is an interview you did in Novara Media.
	And that isn't edited, by the way.
	So sometimes Jack, our editor, pulls the faces apart in thumbnails to make them look frowny and funny.
	That's just Rory Stewart's face.
	He looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp.
	And the caption is, we're not all evil.
	If you are promising that to literally a communist at Sarkar, you're the biggest cuckold in the country.
	Even more so than Steve Baker's.
	This is him speaking on behalf of conservatism to a communist and defending himself to the communist by saying we're not all evil.
	Not just that, he says, direct quote to Ash Sarkar, I think you should be a politician and I think you're too worried about your skeletons in your closet.
	He's saying literally a communist Ash Sarkar should be an MP.
	She should join the Conservative Party.
	She'd fit right bloody in at this point.
	He also, during this, he says that the backbenchers who end up rebelling, quote, essentially become commentators, which is true.
	And that's because the Conservative Party with the frontbench act as containment.
	The very rare moment where Boris Johnson, mainly because of Dominic Cummings, decided to kick out people like Rory Stewart for wanting a second Brexit referendum or for dragging us kicking and screaming back into the EU.
	That is abnormal because you were rebelling on behalf of the regime, Rory, not for people like Miriam Cates and Danny Kruger and the like that are saying, well actually the Conservative Party is currently destroying the country.
	Maybe we should, I don't know, have family tax credits so that we don't need to bus in loads of Africans to replace our failing demographics and they go, and that's why you're going to lose your seat next time.
	So to be fair, the betrayal of the Conservative Party, actually when you go back and look at it, they consistently betrayed their voters going back to the days of Peel.
	But the Conservative Party in its modern form, I feel it really lost its way when Cameron came in.
	Yes.
	Because we had at that chance a choice between David Davis, who I think is a good man, I've met him a couple of times.
	I think he's a genuinely good bloke, has the right approach.
	And we went for David Cameron.
	Now what that basically meant is Cameron and I was quite associated with the party at the time, and they were the people who considered themselves the modernisers.
	And the whole modernising agenda was basically to turn the Conservative Party into a blue version of a Blairite party.
	And they succeeded, it became a Blairite party.
	And Cameron's overwhelming mission was to change the selection process so that only blue Blairites were ever selected from that point forward.
	He also wanted to make it, and he wrote about this I think it was in a Times article last year, to make it deliberately diverse, so he had all women and all BAME shortlists, well before even the Labour Party did in some constituencies, and that ended up with people like Liz Truss and Priti Patel, you know, all the people that are totally ineffectual.
	Well, the other thing though, so basically they changed selection at that point forward so that if you displayed any hint of being conservative and believing in things like national borders, family, low taxes, free markets, you were immediately booted.
	They were looking for Blairites.
	The only people they ever made an exception for were people who were on their high-priority list, which was basically things like black women, for example.
	And that's why the most based candidate out of the last leadership round was Kemi Badenoch, because an exception was made for her.
	It's like, OK, well, you like things like no taxes and small government.
	We're not really about that but because you're a black woman we're going to make an exception and allow you in the Conservative Party.
	And also people that do the reactionary vanguard tactic of holding their tongue long enough until they get elected and then founding something like the New Conservatives who even then are having to play ball with the frontbenchers because some of the people are slightly less radical in that coalition and they say well we agree with everything the government says but also we want to reduce immigration by the hundreds of thousands and the government comes out that same day and says actually we like our immigration policy where they're flooding you with a million foreigners a year and so you just don't really get any The only Conservative MPs these days remotely worth listening to are the ones who got their seats in the 90s or before.
	There are some 2019 intake MPs that are half decent but it's because 1. they came in with a genuine socially conservative bent and 2. they're petrified of being kicked out.
	Like Danny Kruger and Kate.
	But Dan, the process you were just talking about where the Conservative Party was basically subverted by Blairites and then filled with them.
	I mean, value for analysis, that was an incredibly effective exercise in politics.
	That was good work, if you're looking at it purely on the basis of whether it was effective.
	That's why the BBC in 2010 endorsed the Conservative Party, because they recognised that if you got to the point where even the opposition's Blairite, If you exchange, well Blair was gone at that point, it was Brown, if you exchange Labour for the Conservatives, who are the Blair White party, that absolutely cements the Blair White legacy.
	Yes.
	It absolutely gold plates everything he did.
	You're locked into the progressive trajectory inexorably and anyone who gets in the way is just a speed bump on the road to utopia.
	It shows you the value of things, you know, this sort of elitist, elite theory way of thinking, because it does show you that, you know, at the top, if the two choices are literally populated by the same types of people, people who would regard each other as political friends, then the choice is completely meaningless.
	Yeah, well we'll get on to how that was the case very short window of time shortly, just a couple more things from Rory Stewart here, not that he says anything worth listening to.
	He literally says at one point in the podcast, people ask me why are you not a Labour MP?
	And then he cites Empathy of Prisons, Gay Marriage and Net Zero as the reasons why he agrees with the Labour Party.
	Presumably Labour is too right-wing for him.
	Probably, yes.
	He also says he attends the Bilderberg Group and he says, quote, I was a young global leader at Davos.
	Oh, there we go then.
	I mean the man has a podcast with Alistair Campbell.
	Oh yes, sorry.
	He also says his friend Mike Crawley, he was one of the heads of the Liberal Party in Canada, he says that he thinks, Crawley, he and I, Rory, are basically the same person.
	So the man who wasn't Justin Trudeau but wanted to be is identical to the man who calls himself the true Conservative.
	He actually wrote an article about this recently in the Atlantic called, What to do when your political party loses its mind.
	I was a Conservative until Boris Johnson expelled me.
	It was a painful experience, but here's what I've learned.
	And I think we'll learn that Boris Stewart isn't actually a Conservative, like quite a few people in the Conservative Party.
	Reckoning with Johnson's legacy has made me very conscious of Donald Trump's takeover of the Republican Party.
	I wonder what general lessons can be drawn about alienation from political parties as it shifts from the centre-right to the extreme again.
	Marginalising anyone who dissents against your Blairite paradigm.
	I can hardly claim to have found a formula.
	I'm beginning to believe that conservative populism can be defeated and that there is a route back to the centre ground of democratic politics.
	He actually cited Theresa May as one of his political heroes because she was willing to make compromises with the Labour Party.
	Not doing a hard Brexit, not campaigning for rejoin, but just doing a soft Brexit where you lose everything in divorce proceedings.
	Literally, if you told me Tony Blair wrote that, I would believe you.
	Because that's just pure Blairite rhetoric.
	A return to the centre.
	Democratic values.
	It's not nearly as rhetorically smart as Tony Blair.
	Well, no.
	Don't give him too much credit.
	It's just the tribute act.
	That's the whole agenda.
	It's get back to the centre.
	What these people want, what all of them want, what all of the globalists want, is basically the rerun of the 2010 election where you've got three people on stage.
	It was Nick Clegg, David Cameron, and was it Brown?
	I agree with Nick.
	You know, that is what they want.
	And that reference to Donald Trump, the true politics these days, the only distinction that matters is not blue team or red team, it's regime or anti-regime.
	Are you inside the club or outside of it?
	Yes.
	Absolutely.
	And here's the revelatory part.
	Quote, I was once a Labour Party member, but my years working in Iraq and Afghanistan alienated me from Tony Blair's technocratic triumphalism.
	What different policies do you suggest?
	Rory, you host the podcast with Tony Blair's spin doctor.
	You're just a liar!
	Come on!
	I was drawn to David Cameron because I felt it better reflected my instincts about tradition, country, the wisdom of local communities, restraint abroad and prudence at home.
	What, to destroy all of those things?
	Apparently so, yes.
	I became a Member of Parliament in 2010 when Cameron led a coalition government.
	We campaigned and voted together not for localism but also for gay marriage, net zero Wonderful.
	emissions growth and far more spending on international development so we campaign not just on localism but globalism as well literally globo homo thanks very much when later as a government minister with responsibility first for prisons and then for the environment i moved to reduce the number of people incarcerated and double the uk's expenditure on tackling climate change so we voted to spend all your money on the sky demon and let criminals out you're just a scumbag like The political party didn't go mad by electing Boris.
	Actually, Boris just betrayed pretty much everyone that had voted for him from the general public.
	But the act of madness was not kicking you out, it was keeping you in for as long as they did, and then still retaining your general sentiment even after you were long gone.
	So, speaking of someone that didn't share his sentiment, at least a little bit, Liz Truss.
	There's a book out soon by John Murray called The Right to Rule, and it actually tables some of the events from the last days of the Truss administration.
	That might actually be quite interesting, that.
	Well, it is quite interesting, because in here it details how Corsi Courting found out he was getting sacked.
	He was on a flight, wasn't he, or something?
	He was on the drive back from a Washington meeting with loads of people.
	He was actually at the IMF summit, there we go, and Truss had asked him not to go.
	Right.
	And when he landed in London, he didn't expect to be fired.
	Minutes away from number 10, he saw a tweet from the Times political editor, Stephen Swinford, revealing that he was being sacked.
	So he found out over Twitter.
	Yeah.
	And that was a blunder for trust.
	Yes.
	Well, I mean, he told her that apparently.
	Right, okay.
	That's quite interesting.
	For 20 minutes, sitting around in the coffin-shaped cabinet table, Kuo-Teng tried to persuade Truss that killing off his cabinet career would also sound a death knell for her.
	They're going to come for you, warned Kuo-Teng.
	They're coming for me already, said Truss.
	They're going to ask you if you sacked him for doing what you campaigned on, why are you still there, he warned.
	Reporters would do just that in the hours after the press conference.
	Without drawing a clear answer, Kuo-Teng asked who his replacement would be.
	The answer?
	Jeremy Hunt.
	Hunt?
	Quoting, say, he's going to reverse everything.
	Now Hunt, how he got the job is fascinating.
	They call him a Tory centrist in this article.
	I think he's an actual communist because he married one, but there you go.
	He was on holiday in Brussels.
	He got a text from Liz Truss on her new phone number asking him to call him.
	He ignored it because he assumed it was a prank.
	Even he didn't believe that the coup was being pulled off, right?
	I always say this about Truss.
	Right instincts, thick as a plank.
	Oh yeah, she's properly dim as a two watt bulb.
	But she, again, when you say right instincts, she was over the mark of a sort of fissure of weakness for the global project.
	This is something that AA has spoken about before.
	You have a sort of distinction between the neocons and the globalists and the Conservative Party, and Truss is in the neocon camp.
	She's very pro-Ukraine, but she's also for national sovereignty against intersectionality and against, sort of, open borders stuff.
	Sort of.
	She wants to do free trade with India, which I think is mad, but there you go.
	And so, that's why they got rid of Boris and Truss, because they're progressives, but they're just a bit slower than the actual rate of change that the globalists would quite like.
	So, Truss then gave her resignation six days later.
	James Bowler, who was the incoming permanent Treasury Secretary, who was replacing someone, he was summoned to tell Truss how challenging the situation was.
	Quote, one source in the room summed up his message.
	He made crystal clear that there are a lot of very intelligent, very wealthy people who don't do politics, look at numbers only, who are absolutely prepared to smash Britain to pieces on the markets.
	They were betting against us and they were going to win.
	We'd lost the confidence of the markets and we were in a very, very weak position and the whole thing needs to be junked.
	One source, and so that's the assessment of the guy who was saying, well, the markets are acting in consonance against us and they're happy to destroy our country.
	So, was it the List Trust really broke the markets, as we've discussed before?
	Rates are higher now than they were then.
	Yeah, that's curious.
	It's almost like Rishi Sunak moved in and decided to spend more money and make more spending commitments, and the markets didn't go wobbly because they agreed with everything he wanted to do.
	And so, Liam Halligan, who's a financial analyst for GB News, he actually points this out, and he puts it far more succinctly to Nigel Farage than I ever could.
	So, as an economist, Dan, I just wondered what you made of his assessment.
	She said the reason my policies failed is because even though I was elected off the back of them by the Tory faithful, there was massive pushback from the Blob, from over-powerful administrators, from lefty bureaucrats as she put it.
	I mean she looked at the Economic Secretary for the BBC in the eye and said, you are part of the problem Faisal, because you are asking me questions like that.
	Endless questions.
	Will you apologise?
	Will you apologise?
	But when it comes When it comes to the Bank of England, for example, she has a point, Liam Halligan.
	She does, and I asked her about this and she was a little bit reticent maybe to go there because these are really deep waters.
	Did the Bank of England effectively oust her by doing things that undermine the gilts market in the run-up to her mini-budget?
	And then doing things which strengthen the gilts market and therefore mortgage rates when, you know, her nicey-nicey adults-in-the-room successors Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt came in.
	And I think that the Bank of England did do that.
	And that's what the record shows.
	And the IMF.
	The Bank of England did something called quantitative tightening in the days before the mini-budget, which basically means they throw billions of pounds worth of gilts or government IOUs at the market, which of course makes it harder if a Politician is saying we are going to borrow a certain amount of money, and then when trust was out the door, they then reversed that and did something which supported the market, so it made it look as if traders were euphoric when Sunak and Hunt came in.
	And yet still, rates are now higher, mortgage rates are now much higher than at the height of her mini-budget.
	Yeah, he's absolutely right, and there was no question that what you just described there, where they basically pushed yields up by oversupplying the bond market at the time and then reversing on the others.
	There's no question that that happened.
	The only question is whether it was deliberate or not.
	But you've got to think, I mean, the Bank of England, did they not understand the mechanism?
	Yeah, it just so happens that their guy who also wanted central bank digital currencies was positioned in prime position to be the next Prime Minister by default.
	Yes, and I can't unequivocally prove that the Bank of England were conspiring against her.
	All I can say is it looks a lot like they were.
	Yeah, it stinks to high heaven.
	There's also Truss being out of ideological lockstep with the rest of the party, and again, this isn't a Liz Truss fan club or anything here.
	Very dim, but preferable.
	She turned around very recently and said that schools should be banned from allowing children to socially transition.
	Um, as we're on YouTube, I will not make a comment on this trustless policy.
	Oh yes, we have to be pro the alphabet people, don't we?
	Yes, yes.
	Very, very, very pro.
	Um, Pride Month is over, but it should be Pride Season.
	Get yourself, get your bits cut off.
	All that kind of stuff.
	Yeah.
	Um, she turned around and said, this is, at the moment, the reason she said this is because there's a sex ed inquiry about the appropriateness of things that are going on in schools, which we've been thankful to contribute to, here over at lotuseaters.com, that says, ooh, maybe children in primary school shouldn't learn about bumming.
	Maybe that might be a bit inappropriate.
	Controversial.
	Yeah, and Stonewall turned around and went, and you're a racist!
	And of course the Conservative Party, being really dedicated to child safety, the Education Secretary, being a very competent person, Gillian Keegan, she went and blocked the results coming out.
	I hate these people.
	Why on earth?
	Why would you do that?
	Is it because you're getting really bad advice from Whitehall?
	that want to slow this down?
	Or is it because you know how long, hashtag 13 years, you've been in government and this looks really, really bad that this has been going on state-sponsored in every school under your watch and so you don't want it to get out to the public?
	"Oh yeah, sorry about that.
	We were teaching you kids to make sex organs out of bananas and hand lotion." Something that actually happened in Swindon, by the way.
	Yeah, so about now 50 Conservative MPs had urged Rishi Sunak to launch this inquiry.
	He signed off on it because obviously he's petrified about getting kicked out of the next election.
	That's why he's slowed down net zero just a tad.
	He's going to be screwing our wallets over just a little bit slower.
	And now they're turned around and going, what the hell?
	But this inquiry has been going on.
	We've fed loads into it.
	It's been in the press.
	Kate has been writing endless articles for The Critic and The Telegraph about it.
	This is an obvious political win for the Conservatives.
	Every parent doesn't want sex stuff put in front of their child or their child coming home with a different name or different pronouns without their saying so.
	So why aren't you doing this?
	And it just seems to me that either the Conservatives are too dim or too ideologically motivated, again, hashtag not all, to realise that this is containment or is actively sabotaging their electability and the health of the country.
	I really do wonder with things like this though, like are they, do they really believe this stuff or are they just seeing that this, I mean this is a clearly elite driven project, all of this stuff, and are they just in that bubble where they don't even realise the extent to which normal people hate this stuff?
	Well, I think you are perhaps underestimating just how high level you can be a conservative politician and thick as pig shit.
	Because Therese May, in an interview with The Telegraph, says she's a proud, woke woman.
	Oh, good.
	Yes.
	I'm really glad.
	Is that a literal quote?
	Yes.
	She's woke and proud.
	There we go.
	She called for a sensitive approach to issues surrounding gender.
	So she was asked whether she was a woke woman, and was asked in the past whether she was a feminist, and she said, well, I wore a t-shirt which said, this is what a feminist looks like.
	Just do a physiognomy check.
	Yep, seems about right.
	When Miss Davidson asked the ex-Prime Minister about a line from her book titled The Abusive Power, in which she discusses the term woke, she said, When you were writing about wokeness, you said the Oxford English Dictionary of Definition woke is well-informed, up-to-date, and chiefly alert to racial discrimination and injustice.
	The Oxford Dictionary definition of woke about being aware of systemic injustices secretly lurking under every rock.
	Apparently Theresa May thinks that's correct.
	But the wokeness is undermining everything and screwing up the next generation.
	Just remind me, does Theresa May have children?
	No.
	But she does have a husband who secured loads of the security contracts for the G7 meetings, and she just so happens to be one of the richest MPs in Parliament.
	Weird.
	Right.
	Very odd.
	She's like our very own Nancy Pelosi.
	Woke might work for you in those circumstances.
	Yes.
	Yeah, she might have a lot of money.
	The costs of supporting wokeness are a hell of a lot lower if you don't have children.
	Yes.
	Luxury belief, after all.
	And so when she asked, Teresa, are you possibly a woke woman?
	It's a direct quote.
	Teresa May said, in the terms of that definition of someone who recognises that discrimination takes place, sadly that term has come to be used as part of this absolutism and politicisation of politics.
	But when pressed, she said she was woke and proud.
	And she said, yeah, I am.
	Boomer midwittery at its finest.
	And unfortunately, that boomer midwittery is what has been running our country, whether or not Teresa May has been in office or is crying at a pony and resigning or not.
	I mean the frustrating thing as well is when this was put out on Twitter you just look under it and it's all the Windrush black nationalists of course because it was our second founding and they're there going oh you deported all my family members you literally put us in camps because we didn't have a passport for the 1950s and all that it's like I wish that the Conservatives were as like a fraction right-wing as the Guardian easter leftists accuse them of being.
	She's just come out and she said she's one of your girls and you're turning around and saying she's basically Franco point two and it's like no this is but this is why we are in the same trajectory of travel no matter what colour blue or red stripes are on the car.
	It's because of regime or regime.
	Yes exactly.
	And so, yeah, we'll be doing dispatches from the Conservative Party conference floor, where the Tony Blair Institute has panels on every single day.
	And also the LGBT Conservatives as well.
	Oh, I'll be having a chat with Luke, I'm sure.
	I'll be saying hello.
	We won't be going to their disco night, I'm sure, on the bloody Wednesday, because last time they had a drag queen at it.
	You'd know.
	Rory said we actually had to go to the... Was the drag queen at least an adult, not a five-year-old?
	I don't know.
	I didn't ask how it identifies, unfortunately.
	But the fact that we're even having this conversation just proves that the party is heading for defeat, and it's hard pressed to say deservedly so.
	My only frustration is, and I was speaking to Kate's staffer about this, is that there's going to be some based MPs who are on the margins, who are in precarious Red Wall seats, who are currently pushing all the right things, and they only have like a 7,000 vote share, and they might be ousted.
	So it's actually difficult whether or not the opposition when they have to reflect upon themselves will be right-wing either.
	So yeah, we're going to get some reflections from a Ravage conference, so look out for that video on the website soon.
	But conservatives to lend a rest, I suppose.
	Not fun.
	Anyway, on to the video comments!
	Welcome back to How To Be A Trad Wife.
	Beef.
	Jesus Christ.
	Beef stock.
	Worcester sauce.
	Tomato puree.
	Don't worry.
	Oh, you ruined it.
	Cook the meat for 2 hours.
	Add the veg.
	Cook for another hour.
	Vegetables.
	As many as you can get your hands on.
	Garlic.
	Flour.
	Yeast.
	Salt.
	Butter.
	Make some dough.
	Divide them into little balls.
	Remember to put on Sultans of Shadley on Rumble.
	Very important step.
	Add the dough balls on top and cook for another 20 minutes.
	And there you have the Great British Stew.
	Right, get rid of the weird bread bit and the stew is fantastic.
	I love a stew.
	No, no, I like that.
	I've been watching his cooking.
	His cooking stuff is quite good, actually.
	I do like that.
	We've got the same bowls as well.
	Yeah, I also, because I clicked on his YouTube thing and I found myself re-watching his AOC video, which I like.
	AOC video?
	What's that?
	Yeah.
	Oh, I remember that.
	Guinness is a good ingredient for that sort of food, by the way, if you haven't tried that before.
	Extremely.
	And he gets the key elements, the fat, the salt, the heat, the time.
	You don't need anything more than basically pulled meat, stock, loads of salt, couple of herbs, and that's it.
	Just a big bowl.
	No, it's slop.
	It's not slop.
	In a good way, it's Britslop.
	Slop.
	It's delicious.
	Right, anyway.
	Good afternoon Lotus Eaters.
	Thanks to your very generous offer of code Sargon, I can finally afford gold membership for one month.
	I've been following Sargon since He posted a video analysing a post by TotalBiscuit in the subreddit, KotakuInAction, about Gamergate, which means that I am, yet again, another story of a basement-dwelling neckbeard who is being politically radicalised by that movement.
	I mean, it does look a little bit like all the coal, actually.
	Welcome aboard, sir.
	There we go, Craig's got an advert.
	Hey Connor, I was watching your bit on AWFLs just then and I agree with a lot of the points you made.
	We can't really blackpill everyone.
	I produce two videos on YouTube and Rumble.
	Here they are.
	You can get them, you can find the link on my website.
	I'd like to know what you think about the points I made and whether or not you feel that I made them effectively.
	Cheers man.
	Okay, so I will say... Hang on, what's this channel?
	I don't know.
	Oh, I have to look it up.
	Yep, no idea.
	I would imagine it's to do with CS Cooper.
	I will say that the inverse effect is for me, like Zelda putting me off, because one, I've never played one of the games and I just found it irritating.
	But also, anything that's going to have an anime or gaming framing will not be palatable to the normies it'll be opposite actually it'll be repellent I'll have a look the 2D top down one I played one on the DS years ago what's a DS?
	the flip up Nintendo DS do you remember the Game Boy?
	yes the next one after that the one with the little pen no I stopped at the Game Boy What?
	Right, do you have a DS?
	Yes, of course I have a DS.
	Light or Azuma?
	I had the original, I had a bunch.
	Okay, so you're a good man.
	He's cultured, you need to go and learn.
	Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, get it?
	No, Pokemon is lame, I'm not going to lie.
	Zelda is good.
	Pokemon Mystery Dungeon!
	That was the top-down dungeon crawler one, rather than... Yeah, I know.
	The storyline on that was great.
	And Drawn to Life, and Orcs and Elves.
	Nintendogs, they're probably starved by now.
	I will always just be satisfied by Mario, to be honest.
	Mario Kart.
	64 was probably the best.
	Mario Kart, best game ever made.
	Ooh, Lotus Heat's Mario Kart tournament for one of the lads out there.
	That's actually a great idea.
	Everyone, production are watching this and listening now.
	Pete, how much is, like, whatever system we need to get for it?
	I'll just bring in one of mine.
	You get, like, one of the old Wii's or something?
	You just get an emulator.
	I've got the remade SNES thing and that's got Mario Kart on it.
	Okay, but we might have to get like a higher resolution game one just so it shows up on the... I don't know how the tech works.
	No, no, just put it in the bottom screen and so that would be fine.
	Okay, right.
	Question for Dan.
	This is from Martine Williams.
	In a previous podcast, you mentioned that governments try to pass on their debt to people to solve inflation.
	My government in Belgium is offering state government bonds, Dutch Statsbond, to the people.
	These have a slightly higher interest than a savings account for last year.
	Is there an attempt to pass on the debt to us?
	Ah, right.
	Okay, so the issue that you've got here is you've got to delineate the different types of bonds.
	So, what I was saying is that the governments are likely to want to use financial repression, which is forcing asset holders to rotate into long-dated government duration bonds, and then basically erode the value of those for inflation.
	So the bonds that you're looking at, that the Dutch government is offering to you, or in fact any government, You can look at short-duration bonds because they can be quite sensible.
	Because yes, the value of the money is going to be eroded, but probably not over the duration of the six months to a year that you hold these short-term bonds for.
	So the calculation you need to do is if I can get say 5% or 6% on a short-duration bond, Is that better than other short-term uses of my money, such as a bank account, which you're comparing it to here, and yet that's fine?
	I don't worry about that.
	So, I mean, I don't own any bonds myself, but if I were to own bonds, and there is a good argument for short-duration, high-yield ones, just stay away from the long-duration bond stuff.
	And actually, incidentally, that is also completely screwing up my old industry of venture capital, because venture capital used to basically be, okay, let's take a long-duration asset, And then let's earn the equivalent of something like 12% a year or 20% or 25% or whatever it is that you're trying to earn over that time period, whereas the base level you've now got to clear is like 6% or 7%.
	It basically knocks out your risk premium on this stuff.
	So yeah, answer the question if you want short-term only.
	Right, there we go.
	Sophie Liv, gotta love how none of these people understand that World War means it took place all across the world and there are far more than just two sides, and nobody was really the good guy, no one.
	Just because you fought Nazis doesn't mean you're an angelic hero, just like because you fought the Soviets doesn't mean you're a good guy.
	You could be a Nazi or a Japanese imperialist, we never talk about that.
	Okay, so Sophie is, as usual, absolutely right on this one.
	It is a hell of a lot more complicated.
	But we live in a culture where the view of this is extremely low-resolution.
	It is Nazis bad, we are good.
	I don't actually believe that low-resolution version of the world, but they do.
	And let's get a bit all Saul Alinsky for a moment.
	What I was really doing in that segment was holding them to their own standards.
	Um, so, you know, by their own standards, what they did was the worst thing that they could have done.
	So you are right, Sophie, but, um, I just wanted to make fun of Justin Trudeau because, you know... That is the funny thing about that, though.
	I mean, as you touched on this, but, um, AA talked, obviously AA talks about the boomer truth regime and about how Nazis and Hitler himself are the center of gravity for that moral paradigm.
	Yes.
	And yet, you know, you see these people who are the absolute, like, the prime example of people who are completely have the brain parasite of the boomer truth regime deeply embedded in them.
	Yes.
	Clapping a Nazi.
	Yeah.
	It's just insane.
	Well, I wonder if it's because they can see the extinction.
	I don't think this was conscious on their part.
	I think this was a blunder.
	But generally speaking, they can see the extinction of the liberal world order on the horizon because they're deliberately demolishing it.
	Slash, the people that are trying to uphold it aren't nearly as competent as the people that put it in place.
	And so they want to substitute Nazism, the specter of that, out with Bricks and the Russians and the Chinese.
	Yeah.
	Because you actually have to demonize them, rightly so in some cases, because they're going to be far more prosperous.
	And so you can't have the West look to them and go, well, hang on a minute.
	They look like they've got all our gas and lights on and gold and whatnot.
	Why don't we have that?
	And they're going to go, well, because they're evil, actually.
	You wouldn't want to be like them.
	You'd rather be poor and moral, wouldn't you?
	Yeah.
	There's a comment from a name which I'm not familiar with.
	So I don't know if he's a first time commenter or commenting frequently, but something like Simon.
	He might be first time because of the code Sargon.
	Yes!
	Something like Simon Ongski, who basically has a comment, which I don't think I will read out, but he's basically, it's worth looking at, but he's basically highlighting the crimes of this particular SS unit, and he's listing some completely horrific stuff that's mentioned in there.
	Crimes against women and children.
	There was a systematic campaign against a number of the Polish people in the entire region.
	Multiple massacres.
	Yeah, it's not pleasant stuff, but no, he highlights the serious nature that, you know, this... Oh, actually, no, he's not just talking about this particular regime, but sort of Ukrainian nationalists in general under Bandera.
	Oh yeah, that's a name that we hear.
	Do you want a dark joke to cheer you up a little bit?
	So George has said, whoever stops clapping first for the old Nazi will be called a racist and put into Maid.
	I mean, at least Canada's government does have a final solution for its critics, doesn't it?
	Anyway, Charlie, on to your stuff before we run out of time.
	So Ryan Redacted says regulations are killing so many important things in our nation.
	Farms, pubs and many other culturally and traditionally important institutions are being absolutely decimated by the useless bureaucrats in number 10.
	As Charlie said...
	You can't describe the feeling these places create on a spreadsheet.
	The management class can't understand why their sanitized, safe world is crushing people's spirit.
	I think that's absolutely right, and that's the thing with these things.
	We call them industries, like farming and hospitality and all the rest of it, but to just reduce them down to being a purely industrial process does take a lot out of it, because it is a spiritual thing, I think, as well.
	It's important.
	These things are important to the spirit of our nation.
	They're a sort of irreplaceable part of it, and once it's gone, you can't get it back.
	It's literally thousands of years of tradition.
	It's got an atomization of it as well.
	It's like it used to be, go to the pub and mix with other people when you're at the bar, but now it's stay at your table and order on the app and have them brought over to you.
	It's complete atomization.
	Don't even look at the person bringing it to you either.
	You don't have to have a conversation, just drop it on the table and gone.
	Severian Knox says, well pub and church were two sides of the same coin.
	They killed church and spiritual bonding, now they kill carnal bonding.
	Indeed, well there's a pub that I frequent on the coast of my home county of Kent that's literally connected to a church and they're built at the same time out of the same materials and that church has been, I don't think, it doesn't have a vicar and it's not, well you can go in but it doesn't ever have wedding services or anything like that.
	Um, and this pub is, uh, it's a great place, but I think they're struggling as well.
	This is why the Catholics are correct about alcohol consumption and mass on Sundays.
	Just saying.
	Maybe.
	Uh, Sophie Liv says, it makes me sad.
	I'm not even English and I love the pubs in England.
	I love the culture of just sitting down in the afternoon with a cold one in this uniquely English atmosphere.
	It is a legit, it is legit like a window into the past.
	I have spent afternoons just getting to talk to some old Englishmen At the pub who are so excited to tell this Danish visitor about what real English food culture is.
	Pubs are great.
	They are uniquely English.
	If they went away, it would be a true loss.
	And that's the other thing when I was going around doing these interviews.
	I had this real sense in my mind that when I was in those pubs talking to those people, I was in England, right?
	In a way that you're not when you're in London, for example.
	I was deep in the heart of England, like sort of metaphysically speaking.
	Does that make sense?
	Yes.
	Um, whereas when you're in a, if you're in like a central London Weatherspoons, you're not really in England.
	And it goes the other way as well.
	When I sometimes travel around the world and I go into, um, you know, a, a chain brand on the other side of the world.
	And it's like you stand and you think I'm thousands of miles away from the West, but where am I?
	I mean, it's just this.
	You're in America.
	That's where you are.
	Um, it's the global version versus the uniqueness of the business.
	Yeah.
	On that, I rail on the Americans a lot, and I realise that, and people complain about it, and Americans, I just want you to understand, I'm not talking about individual Americans, I'm talking about the global American empire.
	Some, I assume, are good people.
	Exactly.
	So when you were talking about the factory in town, and going into these shops that are sort of anywhere shops, I do think of that as basically being, it's just expressions of American dominance, because it's always American brand.
	Why is Kentucky Fried Chicken in the Swindon Railway Works?
	It's colonialism.
	And why did you have your lunch there?
	I didn't eat it.
	I was the only one that abstained.
	Dan ate the American slop.
	Well, I was a bit peckish.
	There you go.
	With that, I think John is going to cry if we keep him at his desk any longer.
	Oh, yes.
	Gentlemen, pleasure as always.
	Fun show.
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