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	Hello and welcome to the podcast The Lotus Needs for the 16th of January 2023.
	I'm joined by Carl.
	Hello, from the Valleys.
	Goddammit!
	Before we start, I don't know, I just started going, hello and welcome.
	Podcast of the Valley Livers.
	Anyway, today...
	My family's from the Valleys, you shut up.
	Yeah, we are, the Valley Livers.
	Valley Livers.
	I guess they do live in the Valleys, yeah.
	Anyway, so today we're going to be discussing the MLK statue, which is fantastic, Ireland killing itself, and Peter Hitchens vs.
	Navarra Media, which went down very well.
	That's so good.
	So I suppose we shall begin with Martin Luther King.
	Boston has unveiled an amazing statue in the honour of Martin Luther King, and...
	I don't think this is going to age well.
	I mean, it immediately didn't age well, but then it started getting a very negative reaction.
	But the thing is, it looks like in the next coming few years, we may get some revelations about Martin Luther King that actually aren't very feminist, should we say?
	I was expecting him to secretly be a Klan member.
	I mean, that would be funny.
	That would probably be less damaging than what we think might be coming out, actually.
	One socialist historian has apparently seen the FBI records of the bugging that took place, and he's like, in the era of Me Too, this looks quite bad.
	But anyway, before we begin, go check out Nothing to do with him being anti-feminist.
	No!
	No, that's just how he's based.
	No, I'm joking, because we're going to get into any of this.
	But their view on it is just, what if we did racism the right way?
	Yeah, Martin Luther King's dictum of being treated by the content of your character and not the colour of your skin is obviously not what they want, and then we'll start looking at the content of some people's character.
	But anyway, let's begin first with the history of terrible statues.
	This was your favourite, wasn't it?
	The comb.
	Can we scroll down and see that picture, please, John?
	Just...
	People listening, it's a black person comb.
	I don't even know.
	I've never seen those combs in England.
	Have you ever seen them in American TV shows with a black woman?
	No, they're just common for women.
	Yeah, they're just combs.
	Never seen that style.
	Anyway, and it's also got a big BLM fist at the top of it.
	Because, as I said, it's a black person.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, at least this isn't, like, at least it's obvious what this is.
	And it's not, in some way, intrinsically offensive to the eye.
	It's just kind of silly.
	It's also just like, look at the classical architecture behind that's beautiful, and then you've got this piece of...
	Oh, well, it gets worse.
	Let's watch the unveiling of the new statue in Boston.
	You can feel the energy level just go down.
	Three, two, one.
	Whoa!
	What is this?
	Yeah.
	What is this indeed?
	If we go to the image, this is what it's meant to be.
	An image of Martin Luther King.
	It's called The Embrace, and it's Martin Luther King embracing his wife.
	Why didn't they do their heads?
	That's a great question!
	There are so many great questions about this.
	It would have looked human with the heads.
	It just looks like some kind of, I don't know...
	Demented?
	It looks like some sort of monstrosity that AI would create.
	A hand fetish?
	No, no.
	This looks like the weird, like, AI representations of humans, where it's just, you know, a disembodied human part.
	But yeah, no, it's meant to represent the embrace that they had when MLK was given the Nobel Peace Prize in, I think it was 1964.
	It cost $10 million.
	Hang on, you mean he charged $10 million?
	Apparently, yeah.
	Not that it cost $10 million.
	And if you scroll down a little bit on this, John, you can see that from, like, certain angles, like that bottom one, bottom left one...
	It looks like he's holding a massive, um...
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	And that was the internet suppression as well.
	So they paid $10 million for an actual piece of...
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	In honour of Martin Luther King.
	Oh, God.
	Which is...
	So, naturally, I actually can't go through the memes because of YouTube's prohibition on pornographic and scatological material.
	I'm in support of those, actually.
	Yeah, me too.
	I'm not saying YouTube's wrong in this case.
	But this was...
	Quite the bombshell on social media.
	Highly amusing, frankly.
	But for anyone wondering, right?
	So let's talk about...
	The statue itself is not really terribly important.
	It's really what it's supposed to represent.
	Because what is it supposed to represent?
	Why are we doing this?
	Martin Luther King loved his wife?
	Did he?
	Why would you spend 10 million of Time Spare's money to show that?
	Well, just before we go on, for anyone who doesn't know, Martin Luther King, between 1957 and 1968, Did a lot of stuff.
	He was a very busy man, right?
	He led a massive protest in Birmingham, Alabama.
	He wrote his letters from a Birmingham jail, a manifesto for the Negro Revolution.
	He planned drives to get Negroes as voters.
	I didn't write this, by the way.
	This is from NobelPrize.org.
	I don't know why they keep using the word Negro.
	I think it was the word at the time, so...
	Yeah, well, this wasn't written in 1964.
	This is a website.
	Yeah.
	I don't know why they're still using that word.
	But anyway, he directed the Peaceful March on Washington, a quarter of a million people, to whom he delivered the I Have a Dream address.
	He conferred with various presidents.
	He was arrested 20 times, if not more, and assaulted at least four times, received five honorary degrees.
	Career criminal?
	That's a joke.
	Was named Man of the Year by Time magazine in 1963, and of course was assassinated by I think it was in 1969?
	He was assassinated.
	They do tell us on here somewhere.
	68, sorry.
	While giving a speech.
	And at the age of 35, he was the youngest man to have received the Nobel Peace Prize.
	So he was very busy.
	Got a lot done.
	And he also gave the money from the Peace Prize over to the Civil Rights Movement.
	So that's all very upstanding and noble.
	And this is presumably what they are trying to honour, because there's been a lot of questions raised, and we see this a lot in the iconoclastic statue movement, anti-statue movement, shall we say.
	Well, Cecil Rhodes was an imperialist.
	We have to tear down a statue.
	Mm-hmm.
	Well, that was actually way worse.
	I don't know if you've heard the details of the Downward Rhodes campaign.
	Well, not on hand, because I wasn't going to cover it.
	Yeah, but they're leaflets.
	There were several quotes from Rhodes in order, as in, like, things he'd said.
	It turns out none of them were from Rhodes, and even then, none of them were from a particular speech of anyone.
	There were random quotes put together, talking about...
	But don't they sound bad, Callum?
	Yeah, they did sound bad.
	Don't they make Cecil Rhodes sound just...
	I mean, don't you remember, Cecil Rhodes probably wasn't a good guy either.
	He was.
	I actually don't know that much about him.
	I'm reading Oswald Spengler's Decline of the West at the moment, and he loves Cecil Rhodes.
	He literally set up a scholarship to take people from what was it, South Africa, to get them educated.
	Right, okay.
	If you're thinking of the time, like, sure, he was an imperialist, but he wasn't.
	It's like saying we all like, I don't know, water.
	But the question really is, how much did Martin Luther King win?
	Did he win?
	Did his vision win?
	Well, I mean, we can go to Chicago and just look at this weekend's shooting statistics.
	Is it not like Tulsa?
	The Wall Street of...
	No, it's not.
	It's pretty terrible.
	18 people were shot and three killed in Chicago this weekend.
	18 people shot in just two days.
	Isn't that madness?
	That's madness.
	Is it?
	I think it's madness.
	For Chicago?
	For anywhere!
	Like, nowhere should be like Chicago.
	I think Zimbabwe is actually safer.
	But what I'm contrasting here is the idealist view of MLK compared to the reality of what has happened since and the sort of condition that a lot of people are apparently living in.
	So let's have a look at what the artist says about the sculpture.
	So this was a sculpture by conceptual artist Hank Willis Thomas and he had no idea he would get it because he was competing with 125 other artists.
	To design a monument dedicated to the civil rights icons.
	But he got it, so good for him.
	It's not anything wrong that he's done.
	So let's watch this first clip from this interview with him.
	Of all of the images that you could have selected, you chose this one.
	When they met here, they were people full of dreams, full of ambition and full of hope.
	And they chose to actually commit those dreams to one another and to society.
	And that day was like proof that they'd done what it was all worth it.
	That's right.
	The start of the dream is a love story in Boston.
	King and Scott were students and met on a blind date in 1951.
	They soon became inseparable and started their journey together toward a cause larger than themselves.
	For the sculpture, artist Hank Willis Thomas stripped away everything but the embrace.
	Not everyone has arms and hands, right?
	But all of us have been embraced.
	All of us know what it's like to feel embraced.
	Does he not know what an incel is?
	Oh yeah, there's that too.
	You know, I mean, I suppose not all of us have arms and hands.
	What's that about?
	Yeah, I know, there's a weird framing, isn't it?
	Well, I'm not very intersectional, I know.
	I didn't include disabled trans paraplegics in my model of MLK. Stripping away everything but the embrace.
	He's saying, look...
	Every MLK has arms and hands.
	Well, yeah.
	Every MLK's wife had arms and hands.
	You are right, but he's trying to turn this into an idealistic statement, a symbolic statement.
	We can all feel the relief of the black community symbolized in Martin Luther King and his wife having this hug when he gets given the Nobel Peace Prize.
	It's all built on love, the love that Martin Luther King had for his wife.
	You want to know his net worth?
	Who?
	The artists or MLKs?
	Officially, the artist is worth one million.
	I think I might have gone up recently.
	It's an old calculation.
	Anyway.
	A million really isn't that much these days, to be honest.
	I know, but it's not that, is it?
	No.
	You charge ten million for a statue.
	Yeah, but I mean, making a giant bronze cast of Martin Luther King's arms probably costs a lot of money.
	But anyway, let's see how meaningful all of this is.
	The sculpture sits on a plaza made up of diamond-shaped pieces of granite designed to honor the African-American quilt-making tradition.
	All around, plaques featuring the names of local Boston civil rights heroes.
	When you saw it for the first time fully installed here, what was your reaction?
	Oh, I cried like a baby.
	I cried like a baby.
	It's very meaningful.
	And I'm not saying it's not meaningful to the black community in America.
	I'm really not.
	I mean...
	Come on.
	The thing it represents is meaningful, but the thing itself is not meaningful.
	Look at it.
	Maybe.
	If you made a statue of...
	The Norman Conquest or whatever big historical event in England.
	Put up a statue of Queen Victoria and make it look like she's squatting over a toilet.
	I'm not...
	It's just...
	Make it look like she's holding...
	Yeah.
	There is...
	A good question that's raised by Rashid Walters, who is a Boston Herald columnist, so he's a local newspaper columnist, and he's like, look, I happen to agree with all of the people on the internet saying this is actually awful.
	Given that I am not white, I am safe from any charges of racism for saying the MLK's embrace statue is aesthetically unpleasant.
	Yeah, because the only reason a white person would be like, oh, that doesn't look good, is because they're racists.
	The famous photo should have been the full statue of the couple and their embrace.
	What a huge smug and a miss honouring Doctor and Mrs.
	King.
	Sad.
	Have you seen the statues that African dictators make?
	Yeah, they're amazing.
	Brilliant.
	Mostly made in North Korea, I will admit, but full body, look amazing.
	Heroic.
	Some of them are ripped as hell.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Wait, they're not man-holding turd?
	It's actually woman-holding turd.
	Fuck.
	Is that better or worse?
	It's more accurate to life.
	Oh.
	Because Martin Luther King was nothing but a family man, apparently.
	Let's listen.
	Sometimes we are afraid to embrace.
	But for dad and mom to show us what embracing is, to have a manifestation of what they consistently did, is that it really is about the manifestation of love.
	And dad had, obviously, a love for his wife and family, but he had a love for humanity and so did mom.
	So that's his son.
	And Are we getting to he loved all women, including his wife?
	Maybe, because the thing is, a lot of people are aware that the FBI discovered that Martin Luther King was having dozens of affairs.
	But actually, apparently the content of those affairs is really questionable.
	And if the famous dictum is, well, let's judge people by the content of the character.
	There's a part of me that doesn't want to go through it, because this is a sacred cow that is going to be Difficult to accept for a lot of people, especially on the left.
	Well, it's what Martin Luther would have wanted.
	And this is the same...
	It's exactly the same when they say, well, look, Francis Drake began slavery in the New World or something, and therefore we have to take...
	I'm not saying he did.
	That's what they say, right?
	He ran out of money and went on one journey.
	Sure, but he was involved in one slave trading operation.
	He had one slave, please.
	But the point is, they'll say, well, look, that's proof of his bad character.
	And so they take down and say, okay, if that's the standard.
	If that's the standard, all we need to do is be consistent here, right?
	So we're not allowed any of our heroes.
	Because all our heroes are evil.
	It doesn't matter that he, you know, defeated the Spanish Armada, prevented a Spanish puppet from being put on the throne of England.
	That doesn't matter.
	That's not important.
	Why would that be important to Englishmen, right?
	And so if that's the standard, is Martin Luther King being present at a rape relevant?
	I don't think it was going to be that bad.
	It's really bad, right?
	So, there's a chap called David Garrow.
	He's an American historian.
	Won a Pulitzer Prize in 1987 for his biography of King that was published the previous year.
	And he wrote an article in 2019 for the magazine Standpoint.
	In which he wrote that he had seen an FBI file with a handwritten note on it claiming King had witnessed and failed to prevent and encourage sexual assault by another minister and that Garrow found the claim credible.
	Who's this Klan member?
	Well, he was a member of the Democratic Socialists of America.
	That does make him less trustworthy.
	Sure.
	But it means he's less likely to want to overthrow the memory and legacy of Martin Luther King.
	As in, he's a lefty historian.
	He's not like some Nazi historian or something.
	Is he a critical race theorist?
	Not to my knowledge.
	Okay.
	He seems to be a fairly traditional lefty.
	But anyway, the Times published this article.
	I thought we'd go through it because it's just like...
	I kind of hope that he's just making all of this up.
	40 women?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	How do you find the time?
	Great question.
	I mean, he's travelling all across the country, so apparently he's just got all of these women on to intro.
	So he's a rock star of the era?
	Well, yeah.
	He was handsome, charismatic, beloved by millions.
	Of course women are interested in it, right?
	But...
	I'm going to read some of it out, and it's not pleasant, actually.
	So the FBI had been planting miniature transmitters in a bunch of the rooms that he'd been in, and so they had loads and loads of compromats on him, shall we call it?
	Apparently, he sounded a lot like Donald Trump.
	You know when Trump was like, we're going to grab him by the pussy?
	Yeah.
	Here's a quote.
	King joked with his friends that he had, quote, started the International Association for the Advancement of Pussy Eaters.
	That's just funny.
	I know.
	That's exactly right.
	Fair enough.
	He's there with all his guys.
	We're the Pussy Patrol.
	Fair enough, right?
	But in another incident, he's said to have been recorded by the FBI agents that Garrow himself has seen.
	Again, Garrow has written biographies of Martin Luther King, previous to this.
	King is alleged to have looked on and laughed and offered advice, while a friend, who is also a Baptist minister, raped a woman he described as one of his parishioners.
	And that's messed up.
	Yes.
	No one in the Me Too can...
	This has been out for three years, this article.
	No one in Me Too is just like, yeah...
	I didn't hear that.
	Details of the assault beliefs have been captured on tapes that are currently being held in the vault under court seal in the U.S. National Archives.
	The incident is described in FBI summaries unearthed by Garrow, an American historian who won the prize the previous year.
	Why is it under court control?
	I don't know.
	And I don't...
	I imagine for lots of reasons...
	But the thing is, if you have something...
	So the FBI and CIA obviously have stuff released at a certain date, so it doesn't compromise anything they're done, right?
	But if it's got nothing to do with anything political...
	It's not very political.
	No, I mean in the sense of actual operations you're doing, then it usually gets released pretty quickly.
	No, no, no.
	Sometimes, I mean, what was the JFK one?
	It was like 50 years later or whatever.
	Yeah, that's because it proved that, you know, they...
	Yeah.
	No, it probably did, actually.
	But the point being, there's actually something there.
	But if it's just, this is what he did, it has nothing to do with our operations, then why...
	Well, this is what they learned from their operations, right?
	Right.
	You've got to remember that the superstructure of American civil rights is based on the decency of Martin Luther King.
	I mean, it's literally, let's judge a man by the content of his character.
	So...
	Rape a system.
	Well, yeah, right.
	And so, King was accompanied by a friend, Logan Kirst, a pastor of Baltimore's Cornerstone Baptist Church who arrived in Washington with what an FBI summary describes as several women parishioners of the church.
	Kirst invited King to meet the women in his room where they discussed which women among the parishioners would be suitable for natural and unnatural sexual acts.
	The FBI document adds, when one of the women protested that she did not approve, the Baptist minister immediately and forcibly raped her as King watched.
	At the same hotel the following evening, King and a dozen individuals participated in a sex orgy, including what one FBI official described as acts of degeneracy and depravity when one of the women shied away from engaging in an unnatural act.
	King and several of the men discussed how she was to be taught and initiated in this respect.
	King told her that to perform such an act would help your soul.
	Anal rape.
	That's what we're talking about.
	I don't know.
	Unnatural acts, usually, that means that.
	Yes.
	At one point, the FBI officials sent him an incriminated tape with an anonymous letter as King.
	Because, of course, they hated him and they were trying to stop him.
	So it's not like the people who were doing this to King were nice or decent people either.
	Right?
	But they were like, you're an evil, abnormal beast.
	Your adulterous acts and your sexual orgies were on record for all time.
	Well, they were, if the FBI had been believed about this.
	Yeah, Garrow said that he had no idea of the scale or the ugliness of King's philandering until he saw the FBI files.
	I always thought there were 10 to 12 other women, not 40 to 45.
	He now believes that the Me Too age of revulsion for sexual harassment and assault, evidence of King's indifference to rape, poses so fundamental a challenge to the historical stature as to require a complete and extensive historical review.
	Not letting him get away with that.
	Now that Me Too's come about, rape is now seen as bad.
	It's always seen as bad.
	Whatever those FBI agents, I don't know what their backgrounds are, but them writing to him shows it's always been bad.
	One white prostitute told the FBI she'd been drawn into a threesome with King and a black woman.
	Visiting Las Vegas in April 1964, King allegedly took the two women to his room at the Sands Hotel, then phoned one of his associates and told him to get your damned ass down here because I have a beautiful white broad here.
	The trio then had sex, and the prostitute afterwards said she was getting scared as they were pretty drunk and using filthy language.
	She told an FBI interviewer that, quote, it was the worst orgy I've ever gone through.
	I mean, that's just funny, to be honest.
	That's all consensual, though, isn't it?
	I assume so, but like...
	But also, he's using foul language.
	I'm leaving this orgy.
	This is the worst orgy I've ever been to.
	That's a funny statement.
	I'm sure it wasn't fun.
	The 60s are another time.
	I know!
	It's crazy.
	Obviously, this put severe marital strain on...
	Used to the king's English in my orgies.
	...on his marriage with Coretta.
	He said to have complained that her husband was not fulfilling his marital responsibilities.
	If he spent 10 hours a month at home, it would be an exaggeration.
	King apparently retorted that she should go out and have some sexual affairs of her own.
	Yikes.
	Yeah.
	Was he a minister or something?
	Yeah, he was.
	Reverend.
	Yeah.
	Man of Christ.
	Yeah.
	Just commit a sin.
	Yeah.
	They say that King's most loyal supporters have often dismissed criticism of his private behaviour as racially motivated attempts to denigrate his reputation and damage his legacy.
	You're racist for bringing this up.
	She was a racist for saying it was the worst orgy she'd ever intended.
	I'll have you know, all my orgies are fantastic.
	Defends Luther King to allegations.
	Like Berlusconi.
	Yet, the evidence appears inescapable.
	Significant volumes of documents have already been made available under subsequent court rulings, affecting disclosure of government files.
	The most damning tapes may finally appear in 2027.
	Why are they late?
	Probably, I don't know.
	Well, that's the thing.
	That's what I mean.
	There's no compromise on an FBI operation, presumably.
	Yeah.
	I mean, except maybe if the FBI wrote to him, then yeah, okay, that's an argument.
	I mean, I don't know.
	They don't tell us.
	But the point is, in 2027, we're going to find out, from Martin Luther King's own words, what he was up to.
	And this socialist historian is like, yeah, it's not looking good, guys.
	That's a year before an election.
	Oh yeah.
	So the Trump election's 24, and then whatever happens after that will be...
	Presumably the DeSantis election.
	So a year before DeSantis' election, we're going to find out that the MRK was an anal rapist.
	A lot of women will see this as one of the more historical instances of maltreatment of black women, not only by black ministers.
	The FBI agents didn't give a hoot either.
	Like I said, the FBI agents aren't good guys.
	Well, the FBI. Yeah, exactly.
	Um...
	But the FBI did send all of this to the press.
	You remember it was Times Man of the Year?
	Hang on, they got sent these tapes?
	And they were just like...
	You know that?
	Unlike today, says Sky, Pollard says everything was scandalous when everything is scandalous and tortured.
	It was a time when more risque stories were seen as a liability rather than a scoop.
	Pollard explains, we have to remember, back in the 60s, the American press didn't dig into people's personal lives the way we do today.
	It wasn't part of their agenda.
	That's right.
	The press back then, you see.
	They were just much better.
	They weren't.
	Of course they weren't.
	They were just using him as a political prop to advance an agenda they supported.
	I mean, the FBI send them tapes saying, look, this is Martin Luther King watching a woman get raped.
	And they're like, yeah, I didn't see that.
	Was it Time Magazine who got these tapes?
	No, no.
	In fact, they don't actually tell us in this article which ones they sent them to.
	But it's a general theme of the media that they've always been on.
	And that's fine.
	Again, politically, I agree with the statement we should judge people by the content of the character, not the colour of their skin.
	But also politically, I stand against rape.
	Yes!
	Which Mr.
	King was not so much on the side of.
	I also don't think you should have 40 mistresses and tell your wife to just piss off and have an affair.
	Especially if you're a Christian minister.
	Oh, God.
	Like, I mean, I don't know.
	Could you imagine if he wasn't assassinated and then he lived on and all this came out?
	Because that's usually what happens if someone lives long enough.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, that's the Martin Luther King statue.
	Looking forward to 2027.
	We have an election, yeah.
	I know.
	You know, because the Samson has been quoting Martin Luther King a lot, obviously, fighting critical race theory, with the good statement.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I might want to...
	running up to the election.
	Anyway.
	So Ireland's dead.
	Seems to have been coming for a long time, but I thought we'd go through it.
	I see on my timeline, probably more and more, the migrant crisis.
	The sea people keep turning up to Ireland because they get bored of being in England.
	They're like, you're not as rich.
	So, bye-bye.
	Ireland's doing very, very well.
	They need to share their wealth with the world.
	It is the end of progressivism as well.
	And if we go to the first link here, we'll have something I just want to throw out quickly on Notices.com, being the debate might as well be dead podcast.
	This is, I think it was Cambridge University, a union, where they had tried to have a debate.
	Didn't go well.
	I know.
	Listen, it was a complete waste of time.
	But do go check out Calvin Robinson there, because he was the only one talking sense and being enlightening, as usual.
	And we'll come back to a union debate at the end of this.
	Because it's the ideology that drives this.
	If we go forward, we'll just start off with just the troubles visualised for the foreign audience who don't know, I guess.
	I'm surprised by how many people don't know that the troubles are even a thing.
	But basically, Ireland in the south, Northern Ireland in the north, Northern Ireland a bit divided.
	Anyway, moving on.
	There you have it.
	We'll go to Sinn Féin in 2018, the Irish Republican Socialist Ethno-Nationalist Political wing of the terrorist organisation that was the IRA. Yeah, but the ideological unity they have is on so many weird levels.
	They're the socialists and also the Nazis at times when they need to talk about all people of the same race should be in the same country.
	And also at the same time just being like, oh no, we're just Irish nationalists, bro.
	I mean, I grew up in a military family, so this is why we were constantly bombarded with walk different ways to get to your offices and school and whatever, just in case the IRA are going to blow something up.
	Or kidnap you.
	Yeah, or kidnap you, or whatever.
	The idea that the IRA have been like, yeah, so we've gone from being ethno-nationalist terrorists to actually being John Lennon's Imagine...
	We were fighting for trans rights, actually.
	But that's the thing, they forgot that John Lennon's imagined.
	They've instead gone to intersectionals screaming trans rights.
	And we see it here from the Sinn Féin Twitter account, which is Ireland is no longer simply orange and green, being Protestant and Catholic, Irish.
	Ireland is a rainbow of identities and cultures.
	What?
	A place with diversity.
	That's actually not what they were fighting for.
	What was the whole point of the war?
	You know what I'm fighting for, lads?
	No?
	Palestinian refugees!
	The English have oppressed them long enough.
	A place where diversity and difference can be embraced.
	Ireland is changing.
	Amazing.
	So, literally, all the British had to do is be intransigent for long enough.
	And then the Irish always say, look, we're just not going to change.
	We're just not going to change.
	We're just not going to change.
	Oh, now Ireland's changing.
	Now it's the multicultural rainbow utopia.
	Sinn Féin, you lost.
	That's what losing looks like.
	I just love the idea you have the British loyalists and then the IRA sit down with all old men being like, oh, we used to fight together.
	What were you fighting for?
	I was fighting for George Floyd.
	You killed my son.
	Refugees welcome here.
	No!
	No, funnily enough, this is the thing, looking at the obvious propaganda of the people doing the warring, it was all about...
	Oh no, it wasn't anything about this.
	It was all about Ireland for the Irish, or something along those lines, but with a socialist lens.
	Yes.
	Which was always a bit weird, but whatever.
	It was not this.
	It's the same as the SNP. Yeah, well, it wasn't the same as the SNP are now.
	And now, the SNP and the Irish, well, nationalists over here, have all gone intersectional.
	The Celts have gone full woke, and it's cringe.
	And this was five years ago that they made this tweet.
	This was five, oh my god.
	Yeah, and promises made, promises kept, said the English Sinn Féin.
	This was featured previously.
	This was their leader in Northern Ireland, who decided to come out with a hijab.
	Nice hijab.
	Yeah.
	You know I hate Protestants.
	And Catholics, actually, as well.
	All kuffar need to submit to the Islamic Republic of Sinn Féin.
	I'm really for the green society, but not the one you want.
	Yeah, it's exactly the same message five years later.
	Five years later.
	I'm working with a society not of orange and green, but of rainbow colours.
	Oh, God.
	And of multiculturalism, which reflects all who are here and what we stand for today.
	Today we stand for this.
	Amazing.
	Speaking of Eid al-Hadda there, um...
	Yeah.
	Amazing subversion.
	And the promise was indeed kept, because this is the thing.
	Well, you may have argued.
	Callum, I think we can all agree that Ireland has been oppressing the Muslim world for too long.
	Far too long.
	The Irish Imperial Project that was to hold down the innocent Muslim...
	See, I thought Irish history was mostly about them being oppressed by those damn English.
	Well, that's what the IRA thought.
	Yeah.
	Turns out they were wrong.
	No, it turns out Ireland needs to make amends for what it's done to the world.
	So, with its imperial empire spanning three continents of the island...
	Finally we get to address the Irish question.
	If we go forward.
	Sinn Féin leading the charge.
	Ireland, 2023, and it's a bunch of people shouting, hey, hey, ho, ho, racism has got to go, with signs that say refugees welcome, shirts that say refugees welcome, and I'm sure, yeah, they're loving what's happening to them.
	Are you suggesting that maybe millions of Irish refugees can return from America finally?
	Oh no, they don't want those.
	No, no, they're white.
	They can go away.
	Well, they're Irish, but they don't want them back.
	Instead, they want people from anywhere else on the planet.
	Mostly the Middle East, if you can pick.
	Which is a strange decision.
	And these are the left-wing Irish who seem to run the place.
	And if we go forward, you can go to the right-wing Irish, or normal people, who are kind of pissed that they're now having busloads of fighting-age men turning up en masse.
	Come out, you black and tans, and protest these bloody socialists with us!
	LAUGHTER Yeah, because...
	Which I would actually support!
	As mentioned previously, loads of...
	Return to tradition!
	Sea people have turned up in England and gone, bugger this, and they've buggered off to Ireland.
	Or they've taken flights directly to Ireland, because, you know, they're poor refugees.
	Yeah.
	Get Medini!
	And claiming refuge from...
	France.
	I tell you what though, I caught a ferry from Liverpool to Belfast one time, or Northern Ireland somewhere, and it took eight hours?
	Sounds like a hell of a dinghy ride.
	I don't think they're going on the dinghies.
	I think they're all taking planes, and we'll evidence this.
	But as you can see here, these people in Dublin marching, saying, no, bugger off, don't want to deal with this crap.
	Oh yeah, typical racist Irish nationally.
	Yeah, the other thing here is there's a massive housing crisis in Ireland, as there is here.
	Oh, no kidding.
	Which is the point that houses have gone up a ridiculous amount.
	No one young can buy a house.
	And at the same time, the Irish government is handing out houses left, right and centre to any foreigner who turns up.
	So, a few years ago, I did a video talking about Ireland's New immigration.
	And I was like, look, it's not so bad.
	You're only getting 50,000 people a year.
	And the Irish were like, yeah, but we've only got like 6 million people here.
	And I didn't even think about it.
	I was quite ignorant, really.
	And so I had a lot of Irish people going, think about the scale.
	And I was like, oh, wait, so you're basically getting the same as a half a million a year.
	Just like us.
	And then there was that advertisement, I think it was from the Irish government, talking about, what was it, Ireland 2050 or something?
	Where they were showing off like the...
	A billion people in Ireland.
	Yeah, it was like 10 million or something they were projecting.
	There's only one way to do that, it turns out, which is to import the rest of the world, and that's what they're doing.
	Because if you go to this one as well, you may remember this, you remember this?
	These pure Ukrainian refugees?
	Oh yes, yes.
	Average Ukrainian man.
	Yeah, Philip over here specialises in asking people where they're from.
	Like an obvious Nazi.
	And he went to these chaps and asked, where are you from?
	from and they all said Ukraine.
	It's just so convincing.
	Their Kashmir accents gave it away.
	And then they mention the fact that, wait, hang on, isn't everyone under, like, 50 in Ukraine meant to have stayed and fought in the war?
	Yeah, how did you get out?
	And he's like, oh no, we're all 65.
	What?
	I mean, maybe the guy at the back.
	Yeah, but then he turns to someone just off-camera here, who's obviously 20, and he's like, 60?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Right.
	This is the exact inverse of the 35-year-old guy with the receding hairline going, hello, I'm 15.
	And this is the situation.
	As you say, the numbers might not sound amazing, but then you realise the population size, and then the numbers are much more impactful, and also far more impactful when you ship them off to tiny villages.
	Oh, wow.
	Because why would you do that?
	As we have here, 200 male illegal immigrants being housed in a small Irish fishing town.
	There we are, just under the cover of darkness, just move them in with all their suitcases.
	They need some Martha's Vineyard Nationalism.
	They certainly do.
	Instead, their solution to the Martha's Vineyard question is to just move them all to Northern Ireland.
	Because as he notes, the town they move them to is very close to Northern Ireland.
	Well, I was there recently, and can confirm, if you're the next one here, that most of the place is obviously filled with people who are...
	Not been there for long.
	You can see a lot of hotels that are booked.
	A lot of places I tried to book just weren't able to.
	I was like, that's interesting.
	I noticed that these are not talking about Irish issues anymore.
	No, this was the Peace Wall I went down to, because I was half expecting Ireland to exist, and so I went looking for it, and I ran to the Peace Wall, which is like the last bit of the old wall separating the two communities.
	Sorry, can we get back to that previous one?
	Yeah.
	That's an interesting picture, like the 1917, 1946, 1947, now.
	So yeah, that's interesting how demographics change.
	Yeah, we're looking at a map of Palestine and how the Palestinians are being switcherood across time.
	And that is allowed to be spoken about in Ireland, about the plight of the Palestinians.
	Can't talk about the demographics of Luton.
	No, or Ireland, apparently.
	And if you go through these, I mean, this is the other part that just had me just confused.
	Because even like this is the Catholic Irish side, right?
	Right.
	And all of the issues are about, as you see here, Palestine or Kurdistan.
	Yeah.
	I didn't get it.
	I didn't understand.
	I asked a bunch of people just why in the comments.
	Typical Irish language on the wall, though.
	That's good.
	Indeed.
	And the response I got was that apparently the Irish identity had always been about fighting the oppressive English.
	And now that we're sort of gone, and the Good Friday Agreement happened, it not really gives a crap about that.
	The Irish identity as a thing is, these are these guys' words, kind of now completely hollow.
	There's nothing there.
	Ooh.
	Because there's nothing to be oppressed by, and they're twice as rich as the English.
	So now what?
	So this is apparently where the mindset comes in, okay, well we can be the, as Sweden said, a humanitarian superpower in which we can help the world's oppressed, which manifests in this random alliance, and then also...
	Peak Irish identity right here, lads.
	...the importation of the entire world, as if that helps anyone.
	It doesn't.
	And if we go forward, we can see in Belfast alone, 15% of all hotels in Belfast, when this article was published, like, two months ago, three months ago, were completely booked.
	That was the ones they could confirm.
	Right.
	Probably way more.
	I can tell you it's way more.
	Oh, right, okay.
	It definitely is.
	We were driving around with taxi drivers, and the taxi drivers were all Irish still, because it's very, very recent.
	And they all kept pointing to hotels going, that's full of migrants, that's full of migrants.
	I'm like...
	Yeah, strange.
	Because you go over and visit and they're like, oh, an Englishman!
	Oh, brilliant!
	Do you want to oppress me?
	Yeah.
	You know what's also kind of sad?
	They've got all these murals up and they used to have guys with AKs and machine guns.
	They paid the people who did the paintings to paint over the machine guns?
	Oh, that's so lame.
	To make it look more peaceful?
	But the thing is, me as a tourist, I'm there to see the machine guns.
	Well, I'll tell you, if there's one thing that you didn't think back in the day, is that the IRA were a bunch of absolute wimps.
	Pussies?
	Yeah, you didn't think that.
	No.
	You thought they were...
	Lunatics!
	Yeah, and also scary and dangerous.
	Now I think that they might be taking it up the rear.
	Write in to confirm, Mr.
	IRA, I don't know.
	Just a letter.
	LAUGHTER A postcard, nothing more.
	Anyway, but also the thing, I'm looking at this, you think of Irish history and the narrative of like, oh, we were being turned into a plantation by the English, and they were importing loads of English to demographically replace us over time.
	Now...
	No.
	Instead, it is a glorious thing, and we are wonderful to be living...
	Diversity is Ireland's strength!
	Yeah, the term replantation has been used quite a lot, I've seen.
	Really?
	Yeah, replantation, because they see themselves as a plantation.
	Yeah, yeah, no, it's because of essentially the Norman and then English and British plantation of Ireland.
	Getting rid of the Irish.
	Well, now your new government, who are the Irish nationalists, are also getting rid of the Irish, which...
	Oh, God.
	And that's a good thing.
	I'm glad that we can live in a no longer orange and green world instead of rainbow world.
	I didn't realise that 2023 would be the year I'd become an Irish nationalist.
	Just to be clear, jokes aside, I'm totally in favour of Ireland being for the Irish.
	Yeah, I mean, we love bands, and I'm sure people who are Irish have watched have known that we love the bands, but good God.
	And the thing is, they're not doing well either.
	The typical problems have started appearing, such as hotel stabbings.
	Yeah.
	I don't think they ever had those.
	If you go forward, we can see that.
	There you are.
	Four men injured in a suspected stabbing in a hotel used for migrants.
	Strange that.
	If we go to the article that details the notes, it was an Algerian man, if you go to the next one, who was charged over violent disorder in the hotel.
	Much like my feelings on Palestine, I'm not even joking, I do think that Ireland deserves to have its own country.
	I think the Palestinians deserve their own country too.
	But if you're Irish...
	I think Israel should exist.
	And you're pro-Palestine.
	Like, how do you...
	How are you not pro-Ireland?
	That's what really confuses me.
	Ireland's a country of white supremacy?
	Not even white.
	So, Faoudz Mechnazi, age 27, room number 1094.
	I've never seen that before in an article.
	They give it the hotel room number.
	Oddly specific, but go on.
	But no, it's almost like...
	You know, someone might say it all from Crescent Drive or something on the road.
	Like, for the migrants, we just give hotel room numbers now.
	Well, what other address do you have?
	Yeah.
	His solicitor, Faoud over here, said that his client denied using the knife and claimed he was acting in self-defence during an incident in which a small group of Algerian men was set upon by a much larger group of Georgian men.
	Because Georgia and Algeria both border Ireland...
	And they don't even border each other.
	On the opposite sides of the continent.
	Yeah, they're miles away from each other.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	It does make sense, though, because Georgia is Christian.
	Ah, yeah, no, that makes a lot more sense.
	But why are they not...
	There's no Irish people.
	What am I talking about?
	Why are they not killing the Irish?
	Anyway...
	Why would Georgians say...
	What are you talking about?
	There's no war in Georgia.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot of Russians fleeing, but that's about it.
	In which case, that's not war, again.
	But if you go to the next one here, we have North Belfast.
	They also have the typical problem of paedophile hunters finding a lot more work.
	Yeah.
	This case, it was an immigrant court grooming a 14-year-old child for sex and was taken into police custody after that one.
	Mm-hmm.
	Not the only incident, obviously, there's a lot more of them, but we'll go to the most shocking new one, which is, again, rumoured, but we have a BBC report.
	Man in 40s, seriously sexually assaulted in Belfast whilst walking his dogs.
	All three of the men who abused him were in their 40s and were about 5 foot 8 inches tall, detectives said.
	The first man, first suspect, was stocky, bald and wearing a multicoloured top.
	The second man was slim, had stubble, and was wearing a black top.
	Third man was also stocky.
	He was believed to be wearing a grey tracksuit top, grey tracksuit bottoms, and white trainers.
	Sorry, so three Muslim immigrant men...
	I never said Muslim.
	Good point.
	Okay.
	I never said immigrant.
	But, I mean, the BBC certainly didn't, but let's be fair, they probably were, right?
	I think we can't make such judgements.
	I retract my inference.
	So three men of very...
	Descript descriptions.
	Yeah.
	With no other classifications except from what they were wearing, their height and their age.
	Decide to rape a man in the middle of a park.
	The man was also believed, the third one, to have a spiral design tattoo on his inner forearm.
	We've got that detail.
	But we don't know...
	No, don't know his race.
	Don't know.
	Or where they came from.
	We know where his tattoos are, every piece of clothing he was wearing, exactly how tall he was.
	We don't know what colour he was.
	No, no idea.
	His accent!
	Do we know his accent?
	No.
	No, we don't know that.
	ITV have more details, though.
	They tell us that the incident happened around Woodvale Avenue.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	I might be going now.
	That's all the details.
	We haven't got any more.
	This is like Swedish levels of reporting.
	I know.
	A human did something to another human.
	More details at 11.
	Yeah, we go forward.
	People started noticing this on Twitter.
	You're right.
	I completely filled in the Muslim immigrants in my own head.
	And you see, this person, there's a bunch of other links where a crime has been committed, and they mention that there was a white man who was a suspect.
	In this one, no mention.
	And then if we go to the Police Service Northern Ireland, they put out a post asking for news, and if you scroll down, the comments are all just unusually vague descriptions for the suspects.
	Usually, don't you mention a local accent?
	Or anything?
	The clothes they're wearing is not terribly useful, because tomorrow they'll be wearing different clothes.
	Yeah, rumour is they might not have been Irish.
	Yeah, if we go forward, some other one.
	They're spreading dangerous misinformation, I'm sure, about what's happening.
	And to be fair, if you go to the next one, please, it could all be BS, potentially.
	The whole story could be him covering up for cheating on his wife with a homosexual man.
	Yeah, that's entirely possible.
	Something, who knows.
	However, usually what happens when you see the media just not mentioning anything about the local accents of the chaps, I get a bit suspected of what's been reported.
	Sorry, can we...
	Raped by three illegal immigrants, according to this one chap.
	And the family's been asked by police not to disclose this information for fear of raising community tendrils.
	The community of illegal immigrants.
	We don't want to upset the illegal immigrant community.
	Yes.
	And the thing is, I can completely believe this might be the case.
	Yeah, me too.
	If you go to Police Service Northern Ireland, they've also been affected with woke ideology.
	Here, he's hailing the amount of money they're spending on LGBTQIA plus vehicles.
	They're redoing their cars, so they can pledge allegiance.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Scroll down on that one.
	That's it.
	And then if you go to UK universities, I mean, half of them are now found to have been poisoning society itself with woke causes.
	They've got the same disease that we do.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's not new.
	But they don't have, like, an ancient tradition to fall back on?
	No.
	Not that we really have much success in that regard, either.
	They would need us to come back over there, start oppressing them, and then they can have their ancient tradition back.
	But it's just progressivism never ends, apparently, and the Irish are going to die by it, at least faster than us, so we'll at least have something to point to and say not that.
	Sorry, Ireland, honestly.
	Yeah, I feel bad, but we're going to end this off just with a clip.
	I saw the Oxford Union, this is where it comes back to the debating, had a debate recently.
	Whether the woke culture can go too far?
	LAUGHTER I've got nothing to say.
	This chap says it doesn't, and the examples he gives are ridiculous.
	And the interaction is the most revealing thing I've probably seen about progressivism in my entire life, covering this stuff and watching it.
	And I think we have to enjoy it.
	And I suppose let's just play and hear his argument.
	But you know what?
	You get people that would say, you know, J.K. Rowling has been cancelled just because she doesn't satisfy the arguments of the transgender lobby and that it's the reason the West is coming down.
	Sorry, that...
	Sounds a lot like what Constantine said, but actually that was Vladimir Putin who made that argument.
	So at least you have strong supporters on the side of your argument, people that made basically exactly the point that you did tonight.
	I know I would never want to be on the side of Vladimir Putin in a debate.
	I think you're slightly mischaracterizing what's happened with J. K. Brown.
	So the briefly genius currently representing someone...called Gillian Phillips.
	And she lost her job at HarperCollins.
	She was an adult young fiction writer.
	She was fired after a revolt by other staff at HarperCollins when she tweeted, Hashtag, I stand with J.K. Rowling.
	It's not J.K. Rowling to the school of the council, it's the people who express any support problem who don't have her power and her money.
	She has a new training as a heavy goods driver and in the week after she lost the job of her government, her husband died of cancer.
	Are you saying that?
	Is that what you mean by holding people to account?
	Well, there's clearly a tragedy in that person's experience.
	It's a tragedy to experience.
	I'm afraid that, you know, on other points you made in your speech earlier, where you talked about conservatives fearing losing their job, well, if they happen to be people that have racist or bigoted views, then I'm afraid that's not the same as people who don't have those views, because we're better than that as a society.
	So to accept the premise of the motion that woke culture has gone too far...
	It's to determine that the clock of progress should stop ticking.
	I think that would be ridiculous.
	Maybe it should tick off Toby Young, but I don't think that's any problem.
	And so, there is no finish line to the pursuit of progress.
	Well, that's a terrifying statement, isn't it?
	The reason I've included that clip in this segment...
	There's no end to...
	There's no end to progress, and one day, Toby, you're going to be under its...
	Yeah, it's just to show you there is basically no point in even trying to reason with these people, it seems, because you cannot be that inhumane.
	I mean, that's a very personal thing, where it's like, this lady lost her job, husband died of cancer, a week after it happened, she's had to retrain and leave, do you not have any sympathy for her, essentially?
	The person raising this to me, maybe he'll be ticked off by the clock of progress.
	Yeah, there is no finish line to progress.
	And it's the same thing with the Irish.
	There is no finish line to when you will stop being, I don't know, dutiful to the world in destroying yourselves and no longer existing.
	And that's a good thing, apparently.
	I also love how he says the tragedy she experienced, like it was an act of God that she got fired.
	It's just progress, Cal.
	Just pure progress.
	And I guess the Irish can suffer at first.
	Well, they're not even suffering at first.
	It's just that they're catching up really quickly.
	Yeah, I feel bad for them.
	Anyway, recently, one of my favourite people on Earth, Pete Hitchens, I had a debate with Aaron Bastani, a communist from Novara Media.
	And I say debate, it was more an interview, but it was quite wonderful, actually.
	And as president of the Pete Hitchens fan club, I thought that we would go through it and just enjoy watching Pete Hitchens calmly dismantling everything about Aaron Bastani's worldview.
	It's just glorious.
	It is so good.
	It is just...
	And by the end of it, you can see that Bastani's just like...
	I don't know, man.
	This communism thing.
	Anyway, before we begin, go check out our Premium Hangout about our Cyberpunk Dystopia Episode 4.
	This particular one is about Harlan Ellison's I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, but this is part of a just long-running series of how, hmm, actually, this sort of utopian view of the future that, you know, isn't technological progress going to bring us into a brave new world?
	Well, it might, and the brave new world might be awful, actually.
	And it turns out that the AI might hate us.
	But anyway, so let's get on to the interview.
	This is the interview.
	As we see, Aaron, looking perplexed already.
	At zero, zero seconds.
	Yes.
	But before we begin, though, let's go to the point about Aaron Bastani's absurd utopianism.
	Because The Guardian did an article about his book, Fully Automated Luxury Communism.
	Yeah, so this is going to be mad.
	Yes.
	Aaron thinks that he says that there is a tendency in capitalism to automate labor, to turn things previously done by humans into automated functions.
	In recognition of that, then the only utopian demand can be for full automation of everything and common ownership of that which is automated.
	Hello, I have a utopian plan.
	We should automate everything.
	It's like, okay, Aaron.
	Yeah, it's going to end terribly.
	Yeah.
	And it's not going to happen.
	We'll just have the government in charge of it as well.
	Yes.
	But it's interesting how he just calls himself openly utopian.
	I mean, that's just silly.
	But anyway, let's go to clip number one.
	And this is why Aaron explains to us, at the very beginning of the interview, why leftists don't talk to conservatives.
	My view is that if you want your ideas, your policies, your worldview to be as robust as possible, the best thing you can do is talk to and have conversations with people that you fundamentally disagree with.
	Now, in Britain, there's one problem with that for people on the left, and that is conservatives here, they're just not very interesting.
	They don't say very original, intelligent, informed things.
	But a few exceptions.
	One of which is Peter Hitchens.
	I mean, he's not wrong, actually, there.
	Like, conservatives are dumb and dull.
	That's not the reason he doesn't talk to them.
	Exactly, that's not the reason he doesn't talk to them.
	The reason, really, that he wants to talk to Peter Hitchens is that Hitchens was famously a Trotskyist, and, of course, Aaron either is or is extremely sympathetic to this position himself.
	So let's go now to Peter Hitchens' response to him being invited here, because everyone always says, well, this is weird.
	Why does Peter Hitchens want to talk to the leftists so much?
	It's like, well, it's the same reason that the lion wants to eat the gazelle, right?
	He knows he has every aspect of this conversation locked down.
	There is nothing that the gazelle can do.
	He is going to eat him, and you can see there's a kind of joy that Hitchens approaches this conversation with, let's watch.
	You are something of a sort of go-to voice, it seems, for people like Owen Jones.
	We have you here on Navarro Media.
	We're quite interested in what you have to say.
	As a conservative, you often speak to Joe Media.
	Why do you think you occupy this almost unique niche of being somebody from the right who the left is quite interested in talking to?
	It must be because I'm so nice.
	Any other reasons?
	I can't think of any other reason.
	Surely that's enough.
	But there's lots of nice people in the media, aren't there?
	No, no, I don't think...
	There's lots of overly, like, dangerously nice people in the media.
	Ah, well, you've got to watch out for the dangerously nice ones.
	So you think you're just...
	They may not be as nice as they seem.
	I don't know, I entirely agree.
	That must be it.
	I can't think of any other explanation, can you?
	But most people wouldn't say that you're nice.
	No, they wouldn't.
	Most people would say you're sort of, um...
	Horrible.
	You see what I mean?
	Like, it's the kind of self-assuredness of a lion dealing with his prey, right?
	And that's the position with...
	This is the very beginning of the interview, and you can tell Hytton's already having a good time, which is good.
	And then he proceeds to explain to Bassani why, essentially, he's like a communist jihadi.
	Let's watch.
	And I searched for something else.
	I found revolutionary socialism.
	I found that unsatisfactory, but it gave me a very useful training in real hard politics, realistic politics, not the soppy or public relations sort which so many people encounter.
	It wasn't a career, and I left it.
	And since then, there's been a great hole in my life left by the absence of an ideology, which I seek to fill fairly unsuccessfully.
	To this day, you're seeking to fail.
	You're still an ideological problem.
	Once you've had, once your life has been driven by a really seriously thought-out worldview, if you lose that worldview, then there is something missing, in which you, in my case, certainly you feel the need to replace.
	It's extraordinary.
	It was almost mystical, the belief that I had in the force, power and necessity of the Socialist Revolution when I was doing that.
	Isn't that great?
	That makes perfect sense as well.
	It does make perfect sense, but the point is he's saying in Aaron Bastani's face, look, you're a jihadi, mate.
	You have a mystical belief in a utopian future, and you are driving forwards into it, and if you have that taken away like Hitchens did, if you have to be honest about things, and then you see that all collapse in front of you, well then you're going to be searching for something to fill that need for the rest of your life.
	Of course Bastard can't accept this.
	But the problem is that Peter Hitchens Has been through all of this first hand.
	Because remember, he was a journalist, he was a revolutionary socialist, and he was in the Soviet Union when the Soviet Union collapsed.
	So he has seen it all.
	He was inducted into the cult, he went through the motions, and then he was there at the very end consequence of this entire ideology.
	And this is probably when Aaron Bastani was, before he was even able to read.
	So he has been there, he has done it, he's got so much direct experience, whereas Bastani has abstract theoretical learning about the beauty of communism, the internal consistency of communism and things like this.
	And so he learned that Bastani's worldview is nonsense.
	Let's watch.
	Is the only thing that you learned during that period From the Marxist tradition, which you still kind of agree with, perspectives or particular theories?
	Look, I've never disagreed with the fundamental point that one seeks in life to improve the lot of other people.
	And that's what we most deeply set out to do.
	That was the driving force beneath it.
	The reason why I abandoned it was because it obviously wasn't going to achieve that.
	But that's renunciation, perhaps, of the organization more than the ideology.
	No, it isn't.
	It's renunciation of the ideology.
	Wasn't it just the wrong communism?
	No, no.
	You can stop your cope right here.
	Because we're going to carry on.
	But let's just carry on.
	Hiddison's right though, which you can see by saying, if I was in charge, I would have done it right.
	Exactly.
	And Hitchens will get to it, but Hitchens has got that covered too.
	Because he knows what he's doing here.
	Let's watch the next one.
	Explain to me, what does that look like?
	Between 68 and 75, you embrace an ideology and then you recognize it no longer works.
	What was the catalyst?
	We were students, most of us, and we had all the defects of students, but we were tempered and educated by the fact that we also had quite intense contacts with the people we thought were going to change the world.
	And it seemed real at the time, it really did.
	And it was only when I went to work on my own account to earn my own wage and to set out on my own career that I began to see that this was a fantasy.
	What if it was a fantasy?
	The world wasn't as we imagined.
	I assumed, apart from anything else, a level of what you might call class consciousness among the rulers of the country that they didn't have.
	I assumed forms of malice and a desire to repress and hostility towards liberty, which didn't exist.
	It's literally, you are living in a fancy, Aaron.
	Your communist view, the Marxist view that the bourgeoisie is sat there scheming every day, how can we oppress the peasants?
	It's just not real.
	You ever actually hang out with socialists who talk about Tories, honestly, and the way they see them?
	Yeah.
	And they think, I don't know, like they're cartoon foxes or something, but they just think about how to steal from the hen house.
	Yes.
	How do I acquire more gold for my house away from all the peasantry?
	Yes.
	No, they're just a bunch of morons.
	But that's the point, and this is the point that Hitchens is making.
	You do not know what you're talking about.
	You have theorized and fantasized to a point where you are just abstracted away from reality so far that as soon as you have any interaction with reality as Hitchens learns firsthand, well, this just isn't true.
	Also, I love the point about making his own wage.
	I've seen him speak about when he was a student.
	It's such a different experience to even a student today.
	Because even students today have a pamphlet population, obviously.
	But when he was there, your tuition was paid, you got given money to go and do your thing as well.
	And in which case, you've just got loads of time to sit around and play with nonsense.
	You're going to have massive defects.
	So, after learning that, in fact, communism doesn't represent reality, What does one do?
	Well, you can either change reality or you can change yourself.
	Let's watch.
	I couldn't live any longer in the curious sort of spaceship which the University of York had been for the previous three years.
	I was forced into the company of normal human beings.
	And it was plain to me, first of all, that normal human beings, even if they were Tory councillors, didn't possess the malicious and repressive instincts I'd attributed to them.
	And it was also obvious to me that revolutionaries were, and I was reading a lot about the Kursler at the time, revolutionaries were often people who set out to reform the world that would have been better occupied reforming themselves.
	You, Aaron, he's directly saying, are a detached lunatic who needs to sort yourself out.
	You are living in the world of student politics that bears no resemblance to the real world, and you don't know what you're talking about.
	And he's just saying this in the first 15 minutes of this podcast, and you can see Bastani getting red in the face by the end of it.
	It's like, what's he supposed to say?
	What's he supposed to say?
	No, I know better than you.
	You don't know anything.
	That's all he's said so far.
	Exactly.
	And that's the thing.
	He at no point can say, I know better than you.
	Because we know he doesn't.
	And in some way, there's some sort of root point at which they're both occupying, where it's like, at some point we both agreed that maybe Marxism would be a good idea or something like this.
	And Pete Hitchens is the only one who's actually been through a real experience and learned direct lessons from it.
	Aaron is still trapped in the student politics of the university, the spaceship of the university, and isn't interacting with these people in the real world.
	And it's so good.
	And then you get Aaron making points like this.
	So two forces.
	One, the feeling that the revolutionary impulse was fundamentally ridiculous and reflected in inadequacy in myself.
	And secondly, the feeling that the world was not as I believed it to be.
	So that's the Trotskyist element, but I wonder more the Marxist element.
	So for instance...
	Are they separate?
	But what if it was real communism?
	But look at this, you know, on one hand, I recognised that I was a lunatic and I didn't know what I was talking about when I was a communist.
	Aaron, how do you feel about that?
	Well, that's only when you were Trotsky.
	If you were Stalinist, you would have been very good.
	Exactly.
	The complete cope.
	It's the complete cope.
	Let's go to the next one.
	So I wonder, is there anything that you've still sort of learnt from that, like the Labour theory of value, historical materialism?
	It seems to me, from what I could gather, I'm not an economist, but it seems to me that much of what Marx has said about economics and things such as the Labour theory of value had been shown to be pretty much invalid.
	And the theory of immiseration, I think it was, where inevitably capitalism would force the living standards of the proletariat downwards and downwards, had been demonstrably Shown to be false during almost all of the 20th century.
	It wasn't true.
	That didn't work.
	But that didn't matter because what we really were, we were Leninists.
	We thought political power could still be used to create a more equal, fair, just society, a utopia.
	And that the mistakes of the Russian Revolution had been avoidable mistakes, which Trotsky represented a A denunciation of those mistakes on a different path.
	This is, as far as I'm concerned, a complete self-deluding falsehood, but it's what I thought at the time.
	It's brutal.
	I just can't get over it.
	Aaron's just sat there going, but that's what I believe.
	Yeah.
	Precisely, Aaron.
	That's the whole point.
	Yeah.
	I mean, that's just total destruction.
	I think at that point, because this is a two-hour-long conversation, But I love how he's coming back with, what about this long-worded Marxist bullshit?
	Sorry, not for swear, but it's so...
	And Pete's been shown to be invalid.
	It is the most laughable things as well.
	The labour theory of value.
	What if I toil in the mud for 10 hours and you make computers for 10 hours?
	This mud pie is worth $10.
	I know because I laboured for X number of hours.
	I calculated it.
	I'm a Marxist.
	You literally did bad work so you don't get paid.
	It's got no appeal to anyone else.
	But again, just the sheer levels of brutality from Hitchens.
	Just calm me.
	No, none of this works.
	I know and you don't.
	And so, let the moulding commence.
	Surely there are non-Marxist economists who've managed to reach intelligence.
	Of course there are!
	Marxism has no exclusive handle on being critical of the way the system works or a warning against the sort of things that can and do go wrong with it.
	So if it doesn't have that exclusive handle, then why bother with the rest of the whole removal van of stuff which comes with it that you have to take on if you subscribe to Marxism?
	There are other non-Marxist people who can offer a perfectly intelligent critique of the operation of capitalism, which doesn't require the creation of an insane blood-stained utopia to deal with it.
	You can hear the audible hiss at the end there.
	Like Aaron's been mortally wounded.
	He goes on and tries to defend his position, but of course it's a terrible defense, and Hitchens dismantles at every point.
	It's just a defense you've sort of shown, which is just, well, that's not real communism throughout.
	Yeah.
	And Hitchens makes a great point there, and Aaron concedes everything there, because he's like, look, well, surely there's something useful about Marxist critique of capitalism.
	And Hitchens is like, yeah, but there are other useful critiques of capitalism.
	And he's like, of course.
	Then why do I want to take on the crazy one?
	Rather than the same one?
	And it's because you're a communist jihadi, Aaron.
	It's because you find something deficient in yourself.
	Exactly!
	You find it where people are just like, I'm upset with whether the system works, and then by the end of it you're saying that Russians didn't do nothing in Katyen.
	It's like, no, no, it's mass murder.
	Why are you defending mass murder?
	It all goes back eventually to being upset with stuff.
	Deficiency in yourself, and therefore you...
	Being abstracted away from reality, cook up ridiculous utopian schemes that will never happen, ascribing motives to people that they do not have, failing to understand how the world works, concocting theories that are just incorrect, invalid, as Hitchens puts it, and then when confronted with it, you can't bring yourself to take even a single step because, of course, Aaron Bastani is far too deep into the rabbit hole at this point.
	I mean, what's he going to do?
	Repudiate his own book?
	Good point.
	You should.
	Yeah, you should, yeah.
	But good point, Peter.
	Actually, my book is for the nonsense theory, so I did base it on the Labour theory of that.
	I don't know.
	I've not read his book, but I'm assuming he did.
	Well, it's fully automated luxury space communism.
	Yeah, of course.
	We've heard these arguments before.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, so that's just a very brief taster.
	The rest of the interview is fantastic.
	When it gets into abortion and the death penalty, that's very good.
	I mean, I could have used any part of this, but I thought that Hitchens' destruction of Aaron Bastani's life's work was worth it.
	Oh, it's really good.
	It only had about 25,000 views when I did this.
	That's why I'm promoting it.
	Because, honestly, it is so good.
	Like, Hitchens' arguments against abortion and for the death penalty is spot on.
	And Aaron has nothing.
	It's so good.
	But anyway, I'll leave it there.
	Let's go to the video comments.
	Evening, gents.
	I don't have a question.
	I just thought after two podcasts filled with black pills, I thought everyone could just enjoy this doggo.
	Bella!
	Bella!
	You a good girl?
	Aww.
	Look at that smile.
	Yeah.
	That's a nice smile.
	You a good girl?
	Sits and, like, you know, wags tail?
	Good.
	I would like a dog, but there's so much work.
	Didn't you have, you had like, what were they?
	Yeah, we had to rehome them because, like, we used to have time.
	Haven't you got lots of other nonsense?
	We've got cats, but like...
	I thought you had a hamster or something as well.
	Oh, I died.
	Oh.
	Alright, but you just got cats now?
	Yeah.
	And a terrapin.
	A terrapin is a little turtle thing.
	But basically, you only need to see that one stay.
	Like a plant.
	It's quite cute, actually.
	Because whenever anyone goes near his tank, it swims over to have a look.
	It's like, oh, hello.
	It's actually not a bad idea.
	I agree.
	I absolutely love dogs.
	Dogs require a lot of investment.
	I live in an apartment as well.
	I can't have one.
	I don't think I'm allowed any pets, but...
	I'm going to search up what a terrapin is now.
	Creeping.
	If I can have that.
	Don't get one.
	No?
	No.
	It's not that they're not nice or anything.
	It's just that it's a lot of work.
	What?
	You literally just said all you have to do is feed it once and again like a plant.
	Yeah, but then what if you want to go away for a week?
	What are you going to do?
	Put a lot of food in.
	No.
	That's not how it works.
	Can you not just eat for like a week?
	No, because the food goes off.
	You'll poison it.
	Alright, I'm not getting a terrapin.
	Hi Lotus Eaters, good to see you again.
	We've had quite a lot of authors trying to promote their works on the Lotus Eaters in our Gold Tier video comments, and so I thought, you know, it's about time that I decided to put my pen to paper and try writing something of my own, and so I have.
	And I'd just like to announce my new book, and hopefully you guys will enjoy!
	Additionally, a rated audiobook will be out later this year.
	His words, his story.
	Apparently, Harry's book is the fastest-selling non-fiction.
	I don't believe any of that.
	Well, I mean, maybe.
	I think Meghan Markle's buying them.
	Maybe.
	There's been huge...
	Is it mostly online orders, if you notice?
	Yeah, it's entirely possible that it's just, like, you know, Democrat money that's just purchasing loads of...
	Well, the physical orders, like, if you read the articles that talk about big sales, they always say it's the online orders that are making up the bulk.
	Oh, really?
	And in which case, just deliver them to this landfill address, please.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Who knows?
	I hope it's worth 50,000 copies.
	What's the point in all of this?
	Like, all of that book is just a press release.
	It's a way of carrying on the battle, some more smears, more press coverage for blah, blah, blah, trying to cash in on the fact that they've got a royal title whilst they can.
	Yeah.
	And in which case, if you're doing that, one of the great things would be best-selling book, blah, blah, blah.
	So I think probably they've got loads of money, but they need to use it somehow.
	Probably did buy a bunch of their own books.
	I'll literally buy a million copies of my own book.
	I'm not even joking.
	I genuinely believe that's probably what's happened.
	I would not be surprised.
	No.
	Who reads books about that, anyway?
	I mean, I've been tempted to read it.
	Yeah, but it's always been like the best-selling biographies.
	Who reads biographies?
	Not being funny, but when do you ever read a biography?
	What's the last biography you ever read?
	Biography of Stalin.
	Who was that?
	What?
	Also, who was that written by?
	Oh, I don't know, but like, I'm not, I mean, you know, of a historical figure who did something great, that's a biography.
	He's not even dead yet, so what's the point in reading it?
	He's not exactly a historic figure.
	No.
	Unless he manages to bring down the British monarchy.
	Which he might, so, you know.
	Yeah.
	Did you not hear a clip of Harry talk about his DU and his mother in the same sentence?
	I did.
	Yeah, it's weird.
	Yeah.
	But that's not what he's saying.
	It's just weird.
	He's got to put some liquid or whatever, some cream on his penis because it's wounded.
	And it smells like a cream his mum used or something.
	The cream his mum used to put on his lips, and he says in the book that as soon as he smelt it, it immediately took it back to his mother's lips and then he applied it to his penis.
	Yeah, it's weird.
	It's just...
	But then he didn't even write it.
	Probably not.
	I don't know, man.
	The whole thing's gross.
	The plot to the fifth Harry Potter book is, as the kids say, based.
	The wizard government collaborates with the mainstream media, Daily Prophet newspaper, to deny the existence of evil, the return of Lord Voldemort, and seek to disarm students by not teaching them defensive spells.
	Harry Potter rebels against them by talking to alternative media sources, and starts a personal defense club.
	Harry Potter indeed confirmed all right.
	Is that true?
	Yeah.
	I haven't read or watched any Harry Potter.
	Is it The Order of the Phoenix or whatever?
	But it's one of the movies.
	It's the most interesting one because it starts changing from being a kid growing up story to, like, there's actual stuff going on in the world.
	Harry Potter becoming Tyler Durden.
	Who's Tyler...
	Oh, is that the guy who read the...
	Fight Club.
	Oh, I thought you meant...
	I was thinking what Tyler.
	No.
	But, I mean, kind of, actually.
	Yeah, well, what Tyler dies.
	Well, yeah.
	But...
	So does Tyler Durden.
	Yeah, I was really annoyed, actually, in general, that they didn't just...
	When they did the last movie, because I'm not reading the books, who cares about books, they should have just stopped it, because then they did all these movies beforehand of the younger years, and all the characters are different and weird, and it's...
	I've never watched any of them.
	No, but it's like Star Wars.
	You know, after the...
	I mean, after six, people were annoyed, but then all the Disney ones, one after another, and they're still making them, and you're like...
	Yeah, no one is.
	None of this has any...
	But this is all fan fiction at this point.
	Yeah.
	Everyone knows it.
	Yep.
	That's the noise to make.
	Let me hear you war cry.
	sad music Apparently they've got a nasty bite though.
	Yeah, looks it.
	Don't they have a poison spike or something like that?
	I don't know.
	There's no koala, there's something else, is it?
	They've got some disease or something in their bite, I think.
	That doesn't look like people fighting.
	That looks like a couple who are upset.
	Yes.
	Sounds like a couple who's upset, too.
	How is it...
	And the continent of evil things that will kill you in every...
	I mean, it's the only continent that has a poisonous mammal, the platypus, and yet the koala's just this little fuzzy guy.
	Me.
	How is that?
	That's great.
	What's the...
	This is like...
	No, I'm going to forget it now.
	It's like a mix between a hamster and a mouse that lives there as well.
	It's the cutest thing.
	I'll have to find it.
	A wombat?
	No, it's not that.
	That's cute.
	Australian mouse hamster.
	One bat's pretty cute, though.
	Little rotund guys who walk along.
	Am I thinking of a wombat?
	Do you get a picture of a wombat?
	No, it's not a wombat I'm thinking of, but they are cute if you want to get a picture of me.
	John, pull up that wombat.
	I never knew they made that noise, the koalas.
	No, I had no idea.
	It's almost...
	See, look at that.
	Look at their little face.
	Look at the kangaroo next to it.
	You watch the dodo?
	It's literally just a channel.
	I think it just pays people to talk about their pets and send them pictures.
	No, really?
	It gets millions and millions of views.
	That's totally wholesome, though.
	It gets so much money from doing it.
	Good.
	That is fantastic.
	That's lovely.
	I've never heard of it, but that's cool.
	It'll always be like little baby penguins people have rescued, or like a baby crocodile.
	Even baby crocodiles are cute.
	Oh, yeah.
	There was one where the guy has a crocodile in his house that goes up on the sofa, and it just sits down and places its head there.
	It just sits there stroking it.
	Weirdly cute.
	Yeah, but that's something, this is why I don't like reptiles.
	Like, you can't get any kind of feedback from them that they're happy.
	Like a cat will purr or something, or a dog will wag its tail, but a crocodile just lay there.
	Well, it's not eating you, so it's pretty happy.
	For something, I suppose.
	You're not wrong.
	You should get a koala.
	I don't think my wife would be okay with it.
	No, in fact, no.
	She would be okay with it.
	I'm not having a koala.
	Adopt koala.
	No.
	Okay.
	Let's go to the next video.
	So I was reading through this book, and I got reminded that Jim Jones was a socialist, and his whole entire organization was a socialist.
	I can't believe I forgot that the People's Church wasn't that much of a dead giveaway.
	Anyways, this is something you should probably look into more because it's very, very good and detailed.
	And Jim Jones actually has a lot of ties to the current leadership of San Francisco as well.
	So, very interesting.
	I didn't know that.
	Alright, well, let's go to the written comments on the site.
	Good point by LeFrench.
	At least the protesters won't be able to tear down this statue.
	I mean, A, it's massive.
	It probably weighs like 50 tons.
	Yeah, but you've got to be like, come on!
	Ruin it!
	Radchik was right, says Martin Luther King?
	What, that guy from the Fortnight Museum?
	I don't know.
	At this point it feels kind of disingenuous.
	It's just depressing.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, MLK. Any ideological legacy MLK has left has been totally subverted at this point.
	Alexander says, the reason the MLK files are under lock and key is they don't want people to question the establishment narrative that's been created about MLK. Much like the establishment narrative about Lincoln, watch Razor Fist's new video, it's fantastic.
	MLK was not to have been raised to believe.
	Have you watched Razor Fist's video about Lincoln?
	No, I haven't.
	It is really good.
	It's called American Dictator.
	And it's just so good.
	Because Razor Fist, he's giving all of these historical sources.
	And I'm like, wow, yeah, I had no idea that Lincoln was a maniac.
	I don't know.
	I've seen some debates about that previously.
	I'll have to check out Razor Fist's video.
	But to be fair, I was watching pro-Lincoln propaganda.
	But this guy was going through the arguments from the Confederacy about why he's a dictator.
	And a lot of them were answered with, yeah, but there's a war.
	Yeah, but Lincoln started the war.
	What?
	Raise fist explains it.
	What, the Confederates took control of a US armory?
	Yeah, but Lincoln was being deliberately provocative.
	Okay, Russia.
	Hey, go watch his video.
	The Romans are like, this isn't self-defence.
	Literally the union argument.
	Anyway.
	I'm going to take the union position.
	You can wear the confederate uniform and we'll have a debate.
	Yeah.
	Charlie says, compared to MLK and his romantic liaisons, Malcolm X was a monk.
	Say what you like, but at least Malcolm was loyal.
	Yeah, I've got to say, right?
	I know this is going to sound crazy, but like, I'm starting to not dislike Malcolm X. Also, if BLM would refuse to pull down a statue of Marx, I think MLK is safe.
	As Desert Rat says, quilting is an American tradition, practiced by multiple race and ethnicities.
	No, it's not, you racist.
	It's a black tradition now.
	It's called a pick and used to de-tangle curly hair.
	My mum used to have one.
	I'm not going to read the rest of that.
	Alexander says, MLK was a commie and womanizer.
	He's a piece of S who shouldn't be treated with reverence.
	Malcolm X was a million times better.
	How is it that we've arrived at the Malcolm X position?
	I haven't.
	I'm not separating the country of the two race categories.
	Well, I'm not saying that's what we should do, but Malcolm X at least doesn't seem to have the sordid history MLK has.
	Seems relevant.
	I mean, yeah, he's not an anal rapist, but...
	We are not accusing Martin Luther King of performing anal rape.
	We are accusing him...
	Well, the FBI are.
	The historian...
	They said in the orgy.
	Yeah, no.
	No, no, no, no.
	We don't know that that's exactly what that was, because it was left ambiguous.
	But also, MLK was just party to a rape.
	He was present when it was happening.
	He wasn't committing the rape.
	Carl's over there trying to defend the honour of MLK. I know, I'm just saying...
	But that's going to be the conversation we'll have in 2027.
	There are going to be a lot of people who are going to be angry about this.
	That guy still thinks MLK was a good guy.
	No, I'm not saying MLK was a good guy.
	Edward says, Look at J.K. Rowling, for example.
	She was their darling until she expressed one opinion that did not fit the narrative, and suddenly she's a pariah.
	Yeah, but I don't really think I can idolize MLK, given what we're learning about him.
	Again, 2027 is going to be a riot.
	Literally.
	I love that's the year before the election as well.
	Good timing.
	So I was looking up koalas.
	Can't buy one in the UK. So I started looking up if you could buy their fur.
	Can't do that either.
	You can't buy koala fur?
	Apparently not.
	Why would you want to?
	Make a koala plushie.
	Yeah, well done.
	Authentic koala fur.
	You get a dead one, you get a stuffed one.
	That'd be cute or creepy.
	I think that'd be creepy.
	Really?
	But what if it's really well done?
	Even creepier.
	What?
	It's got fake eyes.
	You're not going to put real eyes on it.
	Oh, thank God.
	But they started looking up if you can eat koalas.
	And apparently some Asians do.
	So...
	I don't know.
	Well, I wasn't expecting that.
	John, have you ever had koalas?
	One day.
	John, not yet.
	One of the weird notes, though, is they say that it's so...
	It's one of the meats you don't need to eat spices for, which...
	I don't know what kind of common that is.
	What does that mean?
	Apparently you don't need spices for it.
	What they've been eating requires spices.
	I don't put spices on any of the meat I eat.
	Yeah, we're English, so don't do anything.
	Our meat's good.
	Boiled the chicken, now it's good.
	No, no, no.
	This is what the guy in the English Are the Human was pointing out.
	It's just the meat here is good, so we don't need to cover in spices.
	It's almost as good as koala meat, I hear.
	Twisted Frenzy says, Can Ireland rejoin the UK, please?
	I'd rather deal with the actual English, Scots, and Welsh than the scum of the rest of the world.
	There's something to be said for having a shared history of nearly a thousand years.
	At least we can...
	There's something to be said!
	Something to be said.
	At least we can banter and not kill each other over it.
	I'm sorry to laugh, but it's just the funniest thing where you've dealt with, you know, the history being the Irish independence, the IRA, and all the arguments by where the English are bad, and they're like, maybe there is something to be said of a shared history instead of destroying yourself.
	I love the way that the Irish have had their independence for like, you know, like a hundred years, and all of a sudden now it's like, right, okay, we need to think about people who aren't Irish.
	Good luck.
	We're no longer oppressed by the English.
	Actually, we'll do it better than that.
	Crap.
	What if we just press ourselves?
	Good idea.
	Okay.
	Andrew says, look at the casual smug stance of the fellow arguing the progressive position in that debate.
	Well, yeah, because he knows that the institutions are all on his side.
	He's supporting the power.
	That's what he's doing.
	They're thinking of it as well.
	Aren't the Irish technically the house elves?
	What, of the Germans?
	Yeah, like, they've got...
	No, no, of us.
	Like, they've finally got their freedom.
	We're oppressed.
	No, no, no, like, we're meant to be oppressing them.
	They're meant to be the Hells Elves.
	So in Harry Potter, the Hells Elves are, like, little slaves that the magic wizards have.
	And then Hermione frees the Hells Elves, and they're like, yeah, what now?
	We don't want to be free.
	And so they go back...
	I really need to watch Harry Potter.
	If you leave them to wander, the Irish, they're just like, well, I can no longer build railways for my evil oppressors.
	Sure, but they've got loads of money.
	Yeah, but they start just oppressing themselves, is what I mean.
	Oh, right, right.
	They can't handle being non-oppressed.
	Andrew also says, wait, communism has a legacy of automation?
	I guess the forced hard labour in the gulags wasn't necessary.
	That was the automation.
	X, Y, and Z says, so very Catholic of them.
	I'm guessing now they've achieved their goals, Sinn Féin is trying to remain relevant.
	Relevant to what exactly is yet to be defined, but it's not Irish.
	No, it's not.
	It's mental.
	Literally not the orange and the green.
	I got a taxi with one guy, he was Protestant, and we were chatting away, and he just kind of ended up just saying, they all died for nothing.
	I was like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	This guy's like 60.
	He lived through all of it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Lived in Belfast all his life.
	He was like, yep, we'll point us.
	Okay.
	Well, who knew that upon the moment of the victory of the IRA and Sinn Féin, they'd all go woke communism?
	Like, who could have predicted it?
	I mean, there were socialists.
	Yeah, but wokeism didn't exist, right?
	But then again, we've lost too.
	I mean, Northern Ireland's ours, and we...
	Sure, sure, sure.
	We've lost, right?
	And I accept that we've lost.
	But we're on a slow, gradual process of loss that maybe something could be done about.
	Ireland is already conquered by this.
	Like, Scotland is already conquered by this.
	And they don't have adequate traditions that aren't focused on being oppressed by the English by which to respond to it.
	And so, this is all for nothing.
	Yeah.
	You're a province of the WEF now.
	The woke World Economic Forum.
	Like, that's you.
	I'm sincerely believing more and more that, you know how Milo makes that point of the reason you have a diverse workforce is because they can't unionize.
	Yeah.
	On a national level, that's obviously true as well.
	You have all this human history of, at least in Europe, of nation states and so forth and some imperial aspects, but still it's run on the basis of the group that lived there.
	Like the British, even though we were an empire, it doesn't really matter in our consciousness.
	Like we think of Britain still.
	And then in the modern era, how do we just destroy all that so then there's no resistance ever?
	And this is the way to do it.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is how the British Empire did it, actually.
	We used to move large numbers of people around to different areas of the world.
	And this is what Afua Hirsch, she did a series of podcasts.
	We're not very good at that, though.
	Well, we did it quite a lot.
	Compared to the Soviets, is one thing.
	Well, compared to the Soviets, sure.
	I mean, like, Jesus Christ, we didn't have the kind of, like, authority that the Soviets...
	Creativity?
	Yeah, that they're willing to grant themselves.
	But this is one of the things that April Hirsch was complaining about in one of her podcasts.
	I listened to a series of podcasts.
	We'll do a premium podcast on it at some point.
	It is interesting, because her complaint is, well, the British Empire imposed open borders on my country.
	It's like, yeah, it did, actually.
	So why are you supporting it here?
	Revenge.
	Exactly.
	It always comes back to revenge.
	And she knows it's wrong.
	The person she was talking to knew it was wrong.
	We know it's wrong.
	I didn't do it and I don't support it, but, like, you know, here we are.
	Anyway, Brandon says, of course conservatives don't say anything new or original.
	That's sort of the point of being conservative.
	Eh, not the greatest selling point there, is it?
	Fuzzy Toaster.
	Average Ukrainian refugee.
	I wonder how much Ukrainian they can speak.
	Yeah, that'd be good, wouldn't it?
	I should get someone who speaks Ukrainian to them.
	You sing the national anthem.
	No, just say hello, how are you in Ukrainian to them.
	Do it in Russian.
	Just a mess of them.
	Just the national anthem, I think, is fair to ask.
	Well, I mean, fair, but just hello, how are you in Ukrainian is fair.
	Because they'll just be like, I don't know what that was.
	Anyway, Sophie says, Yeah, well, that's modernity for you.
	Are you Danish?
	Yeah, but you can appreciate old things in other countries.
	I don't know, usually it's the kind of thing you get from an American, because they're like, oh, it's 400 years old, but I don't know, maybe there's not any old things in Denmark.
	Maybe the stuff in Dublin's way older than I'm thinking of, though.
	Maybe.
	Omar says, in defence of the prostitute, Mr.
	Hitchens is such a strong debater, he could probably make a convincing argument for communism if he wanted to.
	Possibly.
	That'd be really funny.
	But just for one year, if Hitchens just went, you know what, for a laugh.
	He's just going to become a Trotskyist again.
	Go about being a Trot.
	Yeah, and then right at the end of the year just go, this was all a bit.
	Lord Nerevan says, as much as I respect Hitchens going on Navarro to destroy them, he didn't go on to destroy them.
	Although, you can tell that he knew that was what was going to happen.
	And I appreciate your perspective on the man, Carl.
	I have to say, I can't shake my incessant disappointment in the man.
	I mean, going on Novara media of all places.
	But it's good that he went on there.
	Because they wouldn't have, you know, some other person who was never like a trot to try and win them back to the fold.
	Because that's what they're hoping for, really.
	So they can be like, so do you still have a sliver of belief in communism?
	And they want Peter to just go, well, yes, I'm still very sympathetic to it.
	But I just don't think it'll work.
	Right, so I've got a way that can work.
	That's what they're going for.
	That's what they want from him.
	That's why Ewan Jones talks to him.
	Ewan says, Marxist tradition?
	This commie is an idiot.
	It's all about the eradication of tradition.
	Yes, but there is...
	Anything that's done over a period of time can be called a tradition.
	Even Marxism.
	The chat's not arguing about whether or not it's a pilgrimage for a Dane to go to Dublin.
	It's like, we built this city.
	That's a great question.
	That's sort of messed up, actually.
	It's like a German going on a holiday to Poland and then to the Netherlands and then France and then to Russia.
	Just here to see the sights.
	Memories, you know.
	Rick says, I'm becoming more and more certain there's a socialist crony capitalist pipeline.
	They start out thinking socialism is the answer, since there are not enough oppression to fill the need to prove their point that capitalists are oppressors.
	They go into business or just pure unadulterated grift as the cutthroat psychopaths that they are.
	And do well financially.
	It begins with BLM, where the goal is get money, and it ends up with the WEF, where the goal is not suitable for YouTube.
	Possibly, but I don't know.
	I mean, guys at Navara Media aren't crony capitalists.
	I mean, they are dyed-in-the-wool, like bug-eyed communist zealots.
	Yeah, they all pay each other the same.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So, in that respect, I can at least say, well, I can admire the fact that you're trying to live your principles.
	There's that.
	Like, it's dumb, but whatever.
	Yeah.
	Like, the people who run those communes in Israel.
	Yeah.
	Like, go ahead.
	Yeah.
	Guy on day one.
	Yeah, I guess the same as the guy who's been here for five years.
	The guy who literally does nothing all day because it's the same amount.
	It's like...
	Ron says, Pete Hitchens' voice is so deep and rich, it'd be great if he did some voice acting.
	I imagine he'd make a great Aslan if they needed yet another audiobook version of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
	He also looks kind of like Brian Butterfield and would love to see him say Hoisin Crispy Owl.
	I don't know who Brian Butterfield is.
	No, me neither.
	I think Peter Hitchens could only do voice acting for depressing books, though.
	He should probably do the Gulag Archipelago, because in a Russian accent, it's a bit too much.
	In a British accent, just...
	But he is right about Hitchens' voice, though.
	It's amazing, isn't it?
	It's just the depth of it.
	It's his upbringing.
	Yeah, yeah, but it's also, like, you know, must have, like, whatever.
	Imperial British aristocratic upbringing.
	Yeah, you're going to have a funny accent.
	Yeah, but it's not just the accent.
	It's the scope of it, right?
	It's got a kind of size to it.
	Eddie, by the way, Eddie says, Callum is thinking of the Quokka.
	Can we get that up, John?
	Q-U-O-K-K-A. Q-U-O-K-K-A. Oh, yeah.
	That's the happiest boy alive.
	But also, all koalas have chlamydia.
	I'm not eating that.
	Doesn't even need spices.
	It comes with the clap.
	Oh, okay.
	That is adorable.
	I think if you go to all instead of images...
	It must be poisonous, right?
	Good at all instead of images, just because that smile thing there, that's just natural.
	If you shift it to the right a little bit, that bottom bar.
	And then scroll up.
	They look like that.
	That's their resting face.
	Oh yeah, look.
	With the little happy smile.
	But they've probably got Climidia as well.
	I knew there was something about koalas that was gross.
	I didn't realise that every single one of them has Clementine.
	How?
	John, I'm sending you an image of a quokka that's just the best.
	Because it is.
	This is not a quokka stream.
	We're out of time anyway, so that's just the...
	You go to the one I sent you, just because it's the best image of the best boy.
	There we are.
	That looks like a CGI picture.
	Yeah.
	That's just how they live.
	Yeah.
	If you're getting eaten alive by black widows and snakes and everything else that Australians love, then you turn around and see that.
	It all makes it worth it.
	Yeah, you're being devoured alive by a crocodile, but you see this.
	Suddenly it's not so bad.
	Best of luck to Australian viewers, and also the Irish.
	Otherwise, we'll be back tomorrow at 1 o'clock.

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