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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #415

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	Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
	Welcome to the podcast of The Lotus Thesis for Wednesday, the 15th of June, 2020.
	Carl and Danae have the pleasure of being joined by Stan and Dan, the hosts of VoiceOfWales.com.
	How are you guys doing?
	Very well.
	Fine, thank you.
	Delighted to be here.
	The most wanted men in Wales.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently so, apparently so.
	It's genuinely shocking, but we'll talk about that in a bit.
	But first, this afternoon on LotusEast.com, I and Harry shall be doing a book club live about the Abhuman Manifesto.
	By an academic called Patricia McCormick.
	It's remarkable.
	I inflicted this on Harry.
	He's been giving me tidbits of it as we've been going along.
	I think you're really going to enjoy it because essentially it's a manifesto as to why we should all kill ourselves.
	Very well reasoned by a left-wing academic and I'm looking forward to going through it.
	But so, let's get into it.
	The European Court of Human Rights has stepped in and prevented the Conservative government from deporting or migrating or processing illegal channel crossings in Rwanda after Brexit.
	Did you guys know about this?
	Yeah.
	Unbelievable.
	This happened today.
	I'm rather annoyed about it.
	And before we go on, if you'd like to support us for the price of a soup chat a month, you can sign up to lowseas.com and get access to our premium content, such as this hangout I did yesterday.
	This new thing's really annoying me.
	Called Mega City One is Not an Aspirational Future, in which we talk about, well, what will the future of Britain look like if we simply continue on the course of mass immigration in the world?
	And of course, the answer is we will be simply paving over the entire country to house people who don't come from here for some reason.
	It's not looking good, frankly, and this problem with the inability to deport foreign criminals is a part of the issue.
	So let's talk about what's recently happened then.
	So the Rwanda flight was stopped by the European Court of Human Rights in a last-minute dramatic intervention.
	This was, of course, in response to the Conservatives saying, no, this is happening under all circumstances.
	I mean, at least the Tories have been speaking the right language on this.
	Yeah, and I think it's not through lack of trying as well.
	They knew they were going to come up against pushback, and they were prepared for it.
	So you've got to take the positives from it at least.
	You flip it to Wales, and you've got Mark Drakeford, First Minister, saying this is the darkest day of British history, that the flight was going to go.
	We've been bombed by the Nazis before, Mark.
	Do you not remember that?
	He doesn't remember.
	The point is that this is like Hate Not Hope writing nasty letters to your boss and the boss accepting what they've said because there's been no evidence to the European Code of Human Rights other than a lawyer saying this is his name, this is where he is, can you please stop it?
	And the fact that they still have jurisdiction over Britain kind of annoys me but we'll talk about that in a minute as well.
	So the appeal was granted by an out-of-hours judge.
	So he wasn't even in the office.
	This was, you know, ring him up in the middle of the night.
	Look, if you don't do something now, it's like, okay, fine.
	And it's mad.
	And of course, the Home Office couldn't appeal the decision because who were they going to appeal to?
	The offices were closed.
	So it's all done, you know, rather shadowily, in my opinion, if that's a word.
	Prince Patel said the plan will continue, saying that many of those removed from this flight will be placed on the next.
	Our legal team is reviewing every decision made on this flight and the preparation for the next flight begins now.
	So like you say, I think the will is actually there.
	There are very many sceptical people like, well, the Conservatives intended for this to fail.
	It's like, well, this is kind of a big public L for the Conservatives.
	I don't think they actually did intend this to fail.
	I just think they're not as competent as they need to be.
	The Home Office or the government?
	This was Priti Patel herself who said that, but who do I think is incompetent?
	Well, I don't think the Home Office is incompetent.
	I think the people staffing the Home Office know exactly what they're doing.
	The government is mildly incompetent, kind of rudderless, which is very frustrating considering the amount of raw power that they have at their disposal.
	But I don't want to preach to the choir on that.
	No.
	Did you hear Peter Bone in the house?
	And he was grilling a, obviously, home office minister, junior.
	And he said, why don't you just pack the list with more than 250 people, and then even if the lefty lawyers get half of them, you've still got a plane full.
	And what was the response?
	And the minister, ooh, my honourable friend talks a lot of sense.
	They hadn't even thought of it.
	Yeah.
	It really is that they just don't have any vision.
	No vision.
	No guile at all.
	And the fact she says four, you know, there's going to be many of them going on to the next flight.
	What she means by that is four.
	Yeah.
	You know, there's four of them going to be going on to the next flight.
	How big is the next flight going to be?
	I mean, this one was 11.
	Yeah.
	So, you know...
	It's just madness.
	Like, you know, 50,000 have come in the last couple of years, just via the channel alone, and they're like, yeah, well, we're going to get 11 out.
	No, you're not.
	The Supreme Court of Human Rights is going to enter town.
	444 yesterday crossed.
	Yeah, yeah, we'll get into it in a minute.
	So the ECHR said that medical examinations of, say, one man who left Iraq in April and crossed to the channel by a small boat before claiming an asylum in May showed signs of possible torture.
	From France.
	In France?
	They're making me a baguette or something.
	Like, what was the torture in France?
	Go with the France.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But even then, okay, he was tortured in Iraq.
	Well, he wasn't tortured in Rwanda, was he?
	No.
	You know, they've got a nice hotel there.
	You know, it's all been paid for by the British taxpayer.
	What stops him from going there?
	You know, the Rwandans are sharpening their machetes or something.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Like, believe it or not, Rwanda is actually a country we can do business with.
	Ah, but in 1994...
	Something terrible happened.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And the left are like, well, they can't go to that third world s-hole, can they?
	Well, oh really, you know, who has a low opinion of black people now?
	Absolutely.
	Anyway, so this meant that this ruling took into account the assessment of the UN High Commissioner for refugees that asylum seekers do not have access to fair and efficient procedures for the determination of refugee status in Rwanda.
	Why?
	It just says it.
	So it must be true.
	Yeah, it must be true.
	And therefore, they can't go.
	And so similar injunctions were later granted for the remaining 10 deportees until none were left.
	That was it.
	European Court of Human Rights.
	Sorry, you can't do that.
	Johnson hinted that he might be ready to take the UK out of the European Convention on Human Rights.
	if it's being used to subvert our own institutions and territorial integrity.
	And this was quite dramatic.
	So the question is then, how is the UK, after Brexit, a member of the European Court of Human Rights?
	And I actually went and looked this up.
	So if you go to equalityhumanrights.com, a series of academics had written a paper on this.
	And so this was part of the European Convention on Human Rights, which we are actually responsible for drawing up.
	Yeah, but that's it.
	We actually wrote it for them because of the atrocious wars that they had and the Holocaust.
	So Churchill and I think it was Maxwell Fry, well Maxwell Fry was the lawyer, he wrote it, but it was for them, not us.
	But we did agree to it.
	We did.
	In 1966, we accepted the jurisdiction of the European Court on Human Rights, which...
	Allowed, you know, them to essentially bring us under their sort of purview.
	But in my opinion, Brexit did mean Brexit.
	All of it.
	I don't want anything from Europe having any say in this country.
	Ever.
	For any reason.
	It passed through British courts with evidence.
	And it was stopped and rejected by a European court.
	By a European judge who was probably suzzled.
	And who is probably totally unbiased on the question of Britain and Brexit.
	He's not going to be salty at all in any way, shape or form.
	But the thing is, this ties into the Human Rights Act of 1998, so you can thank Tony Blair for this, that requires all public authorities to act compatibly with the European Court of Human Rights.
	And the European Convention on Human Rights, providing a basis for the development of a human rights culture in public services.
	This is the birth of the lefty lawyer, the lefty human rights lawyer who's decided that the criminals who cross the channel, definitionally criminals because it's legal, are people who are just as deserving of legal representation as anyone else in this country.
	Not my problem.
	It shouldn't be here.
	Unfortunately, it is my problem, isn't it?
	But anyway, so the question is raised, well, what's going to happen next?
	And the BBC have some thoughts on it.
	So they point out that this has cost us a lot of money.
	There's £500 million in total, is the independent report, with £120 million of that just being an upfront payment to the Rwandans to do it, which is, okay, well, we've paid for it.
	Can we get the service that we've paid for?
	You'd think that would be an acceptable request.
	And so, of course, no one has left.
	And they say, quote, the irritation from those in government is palpable, and they're determined to press ahead with their plans.
	Well, that's something.
	At least there's a will in the Conservatives to get something done here.
	Yeah, I mean, the thing that you've got is you've got the will of the government, but the Home Office are actually, or the union, is actually fighting the government.
	So it's not a, you know, it's not a, the Conservative got in on a manifesto.
	And the 2016 referendum, which I voted for and voted to leave Brexit, that is the will of the people, and it's been frustrated by those pen pushers in the Home Office.
	Get rid of them!
	Using literal legalese...
	And that is exactly it.
	In the Conservative Manifesto in 2018, they'd even written that they were going to reassess the Human Rights Act of 1998 to avoid exactly this kind of thing.
	Have they done it?
	No, of course they haven't, because for some reason they think they can just coast on, and the left isn't going to slowly but surely eat them up until there's nothing left for them to be able to do.
	You've got the power now to fix this, Boris.
	Do it, idiots.
	Anyway...
	So how does the public feel about this?
	How does the public feel about illegal migrants from God knows where just turning up on our shores and being given all the benefits that these people can be given?
	Well, it turns out that most of them are not in favour.
	Shock.
	Yeah.
	Can you even imagine?
	Like your average gran in Somerset is just like, no.
	So when the Rwanda policy was announced, only 26% of the public opposed it, with 49% being in favour of it.
	And then the rest obviously just being like, I don't know, don't ask me.
	And so that's a pretty landslide two to one in favour of the policy.
	The Conservatives should be pushing this incredibly hard.
	Then the media machine sort of ground into gear and sort of start propagandising people.
	But they only managed to get it to 41% in favour of it.
	So they're down a few points, but still only 28% against it.
	So you can still see the public, like, yeah, okay, we know what you're doing.
	But no, these people need to leave.
	And you've got to look at the Ukrainians.
	The Ukrainians, with their families, are escaping a war, and we can see that.
	Single men.
	From Iran.
	From France.
	Yeah.
	Originally from Iran.
	Again, no war in Iran.
	No war in France.
	What the hell are you doing?
	You know, absolute chances.
	I view these as adventurers.
	They are.
	They are.
	Absolute adventures.
	We tracked one, didn't we?
	Down at Penale Camp, we went and we actually spoke to them.
	And a number of admissions were made.
	One of them being, if you could have good or better, which one would you choose?
	Regarding France and Britain, why wouldn't you stay in France?
	And then the other one, he actually gave us his details on Facebook.
	And we seen him on Facebook.
	He was flying from place to place to place to place.
	And then all of a sudden he lost his passport and came across on a boat.
	And we found that.
	It wasn't private.
	We didn't have to add friends or anything like that.
	We found it.
	It was all public information.
	So why were they coming?
	What reasons did they give?
	If you could have good or better, they want to help in your life.
	They just thought it would be better to be here.
	Yeah, more money, they get everything for free.
	That was their move.
	Didn't they know about the weather, though?
	Wow, yeah, exactly, yeah.
	That's why they were burning Pennelli down, because they didn't like the weather.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, it was, actually, because it was winter and cold and raining, yeah.
	Well, it's not any less cold or rainy over here.
	What the hell's wrong with you people?
	But, right, so it's literally just they think it's going to be an improvement in their circumstances.
	I think that, and of course the international language of English, that is, as well as being a curse, a blessing, it's been a curse.
	That's a good point.
	Anyway, so again, the BBC points out that the Conservatives, the Prime Minister has said he'd be willing to change the law to make delivering the policy easier.
	Good.
	Do it tomorrow.
	Do it today.
	The best time would have been yesterday, in fact.
	In fact, the best time would have been yesterday.
	I don't know why you just sat on your laurels on this.
	What's the point?
	I mean, Priti Patel's like, well, it's very surprising that the European Court of Human Rights has intervened, despite repeated success and earlier success in our domestic courts.
	Is it surprising?
	No, not at all.
	Look at these people.
	They're doing everything to undermine our country.
	Everything they can.
	They always have.
	Well, in fact, today now, suddenly after, since October, where we've been trying to change Northern Ireland, they've suddenly come today on the back of this to say that they're going to fight them in court.
	And on top of that, they're now pulling us, the British universities, out of a project called...
	Yeah, science, some science project.
	Yeah, the science project.
	And I forgot the name.
	I don't know the name of it either, but this is the point, isn't it?
	These constant actions that indicate a malevolent will, they've got intentions, designs on us.
	And let's be fair, the Europeans have always had designs on us.
	They've always hated Britain because we've always been the thorn in the side that says, no, maybe you shouldn't have a continental-wide tyranny.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	I mean, generally it's for your own good, and the good of minorities on the continent, but what do we know?
	Anyway, so let's...
	Should we go through some brainlit takes on this?
	Yeah.
	I thought we'd go through...
	Adil Ray, OBE, really simple question.
	Why are we sending Afghan Syrian refugees to Rwanda but paying UK citizens to house those from Ukraine?
	It's pretty black and white.
	It is actually, in fact, black and white, but that's not because Afghans and Syrians are black and Ukrainians are white.
	It's because the Ukrainians came here legally, and those people didn't.
	I mean, it's literally that simple.
	We all heard about the battles the Ukrainians even had to go through to get you, you know, all the documents, the paperwork, and they've arrived and still struggled.
	And then obviously you've got the boat crossers who are literally throwing their passports into the water as they're coming across.
	Sorry, who's following the rules, who's not following the rules?
	It's just, again, it is actually black and white, but not in the way you're implying, Adil.
	Yeah.
	But the thing is, as well, there is an actual war going on in Ukraine.
	Like, there is actually a war, a live hot war, where invading armies are crossing borders, unlike in France, where there should be invading armies.
	It's the joke.
	Take back Normandy.
	All I'm saying is Calais is rightful English soil.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, the point is, there's nothing going on in France.
	But the thing is, is there anything going on in Afghanistan now?
	No, it seems to be over.
	Is it going on in Syria now?
	No, it seems to be basically over.
	But I guess these are enemies of the regime.
	So, okay, fair enough.
	You can say, okay, I've got to get out of these places because the regime is going to kill me.
	Fair enough.
	You're in a safe country.
	You're in France.
	You're in fact endangering yourselves by taking these dinghies across.
	Anyway, let's talk about how racist all of this is.
	Procedures.
	They're just racist.
	White refugees get sent to live with British families.
	Black and brown refugees get sent to Rwanda.
	This is so sickeningly effing racist.
	And then look at Leanne under there.
	I'd rather risk my chances to stay in Ukraine than be sent to a third world country like Rwanda.
	Leanne, that's a bit of a mask-off moment there.
	You'd rather go to the white country than the black country, because the black country's dangerous.
	Even though there's no war in Rwanda, and there's literally thousands of Russians bombing places in Ukraine.
	It looks lovely, Rwanda.
	I've seen the videos.
	I can't remember which football team it is, but they've got Visit Rwanda on their arm.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What is wrong with Rwanda?
	Rwanda's interested in, you know, like, bring up a tourist economy.
	Yeah.
	Things like that.
	They're like, okay, well, look, we can actually, you know, become an economically viable and successful country.
	Unlike people, but people like Leanne are like, pfft, no, blacks.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know, it's like, Leanne, that's not on.
	Yeah.
	You can't just say that.
	I'm not the progressive here.
	You're the progressive.
	It actually is.
	It actually is.
	Suddenly now, the left are using racist language.
	Yeah, yeah, totally.
	And racist, you know, why them?
	Why them?
	Why them?
	Because they're white?
	No, because they've entered illegally.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, they've entered illegally.
	Yeah.
	That's literally the reason.
	They've actually not lost their documents.
	Yeah.
	And there's an actual war going on where they were living.
	Call me crazy, but I thought that was important when you decided whether you're a refugee or not.
	But I just love this.
	Oh no, Rwanda's a third world asshole.
	Okay, that's a very Trumpian position.
	But anyway, let's go to Dr.
	Shola.
	Love Dr.
	Shola.
	How do you guys feel about Dr.
	Shola?
	Oh, I can't stand her.
	Descendant of Nigerian royalty.
	I didn't know that.
	You didn't know that?
	She's the granddaughter of the former Nigerian king.
	So oppressed.
	Yeah.
	She, I think, lives in Surrey somewhere in one of the most expensive areas of Britain as well.
	Yeah.
	So it's like, hmm.
	It doesn't...
	The oppression.
	Yeah.
	She's one to watch, you know, or one not to watch.
	I put it in the same category as James O'Brien.
	We'll get to James O'Brien in a minute.
	He made me listen to him this morning.
	I made him listen to it for 30 seconds and he was just shouting at the radio.
	Whenever me and John have to drive to London, he puts on James O'Brien on the radio.
	And honestly, I'm just sat there grinding my teeth.
	He's unbelievable.
	He's just such a liar.
	He's just a liar.
	That's exactly what I was saying.
	And John's like, no, we've got to listen.
	And he's really smug about it.
	And he'll sit there and go, well, not everyone had the education I had.
	So, yeah, you're a posh, smug twat.
	Yeah.
	You know, literally just shut up.
	Sorry for swearing, folks.
	Let me try not to.
	It's the only word in English that accurately captures the quality of the man.
	Am I wrong?
	Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
	But anyway, so Dr.
	Scholar has said Boris Johnson's attack on human rights lawyers is an attack on human rights.
	Boris Johnson is the enemy of the people.
	Yeah, but which people though, Dr.
	Scholar?
	You know, which people are you on the side for?
	Anyway, let's go to James O'Brien.
	Love James O'Brien.
	Love his takes.
	These are amazing takes.
	Please note the absence of any suggestion that people face in deportation for any of the racist tropes used to justify the barbaric policy.
	They are not criminals or threats or terrorists, as if that's not been the case.
	Their crime was to simply get here like Nadeem Zahawi did or like Priti Patel's parents did.
	Well, I mean, did they get here illegally?
	Did they cross from France?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Did they literally break into the country, James, which is an actual crime?
	I know you don't understand this, but I love his, they're not criminals or threats or terrorists.
	Some of them are, actually, James.
	And we have evidence that some of them are.
	For example, there was the Rasuli Zabadala, 22, who snuck into the UK on a refugee boat after fleeing from Austria because he raped a 13-year-old.
	Took part in the gang rape of a 13-year-old, actually.
	And so this tip-off from the Austrian police helped us locate him because he was wanted in connection with the brutal gang rape in Vienna.
	Hmm.
	James O'Brien, this is your man, is it?
	Come and collect him, James.
	Come and house him in your home, James.
	You must have a mansion.
	Probably got a few spare rooms.
	You can take a kip on your couch, can't you?
	The thing is, this has happened before.
	Again, in 2021, as Breitbart Report...
	39 out of 50 foreign criminals were scheduled for deportation to a flight to Jamaica, and this was, of course, cancelled by the lefty human rights lawyers.
	Sorry, is this the people that Dr.
	Scholar is defending?
	Yeah.
	Listen to this.
	The flight to Jamaica, scheduled to have left in the early hours of the morning, contained those who had been sentenced to imprisonment for crimes like drug offences, rape, rape of a minor, and murder.
	Why don't we want to deport these people?
	No, exactly that.
	These are awful human beings.
	And you can even come more recent as well, because there's, you know, the hunters, the paedophile hunter sort of groups.
	There's a lot of them up in, by Napier Barracks now, and you have so many reports.
	This guy crossed four months ago.
	Today we've stung him trying to meet a child.
	Penale Camp, again, we were made aware, and they wouldn't talk to the police, but they talked to us, of the people in the camp, Ranging on Snapchat to meet children in the local area.
	I've seen clips of it going around where the kids are like, I'm 15.
	Not even that one.
	This didn't make much news, obviously, in Wales.
	But we made it aware.
	We've seen the messages.
	They want to meet children in the park with drink.
	In the skate park, and these are the actual migrants in the camp, and we alerted people.
	We published it, and the parents went to meet them instead.
	But if we didn't publish it, them children would have met their men.
	Yeah, that's unbelievable.
	And that's why, obviously, Drakeford doesn't like us.
	That's why he said that we are a threat to modern-day Wales.
	Modern-day Wales seems pretty gross, though.
	I'm glad I'm a threat to Monday.
	I aspire to be a threat to Monday.
	Monday seems awful and seems to be facilitating the rape of children and has people like James O'Brien.
	If James O'Brien is cheering for it, I'm against it.
	I don't care what it is.
	Saying they're not criminals or threats or terrorists, it's like, sorry, that's an interesting stat, but I haven't got a source for it, John.
	But James O'Brien is saying they're not criminal threats.
	Well, how do you know?
	You don't know who these people are.
	You can't name them.
	You have their passports.
	A lot of them throw them away.
	You have no documentation, James.
	You can't say that.
	You're just assuming that.
	And in many cases, that's not true.
	Anyway, let's go on to the comedians.
	I love comedian takes because they're always bad.
	Frankie Boyle.
	How do you guys feel about Frankie Boyle?
	Before politics really came into comedy, I left the dry comedy value of it.
	I think you used the word comedians quite loosely then, because I don't think they're political advertisers at the moment.
	Frankie Boyle now, just like Nish, garbage.
	Yeah, Nish Kumar said that this was amazing and incredible.
	Why?
	Why do you care?
	Like, why is this your problem?
	So, apparently, a person called Deborah Francis White, host of the Guilty Feminist podcast, added, amazing.
	Imagine the emotional toll of those already traumatized souls put on that plane and then taken off, though.
	Are they still in detention?
	It's like, well, you don't know if they're criminals.
	Like, you don't know how many of them are rapists.
	Is she suggesting that we should give them a dose of rehypnol?
	Maybe.
	Put them on the flight so they don't know nothing.
	Is that what she's suggesting?
	Possibly.
	They know they're not criminals and rapists, but they know they're doctors, teachers, nurses, astronauts.
	Exactly.
	They know all that.
	None of them ever turn out to be that.
	It's remarkable fetishisation, isn't it?
	That's the thing.
	So, oh, there's traumatised souls.
	You don't know the trauma.
	They might be like, I tried my luck, didn't get in.
	Oh, well, that sucks.
	You know, you don't know.
	You don't know any of this.
	But I do think, though, that the people who advertise on social media that they're pro-refugees, I actually think they should be given refugees.
	Yes.
	But I genuinely think the government should be like, right, if you're advertising it, we'll take that as your willful compliance with a refugee policy, so you will now be legally obliged to host a refugee.
	Let me go to the next one, John.
	This amazing video from Abergavenny, which is, when he says 95.8% white, he means 95.8% Welsh, right?
	I mean, you guys know, obviously.
	These people stopped the flights.
	You know, we want to be a town of sanctuary.
	We welcome refugees and things like that.
	It's like, okay, give them the refugees!
	Like, okay, 50,000 come over.
	Dump them in Abergavenny.
	Yeah.
	Let them have them.
	There's some children in that as well.
	I'm sure I just, you know, like they have no idea, you know, what this actually means.
	And the fact that these people love, you know, they love to use the children to try and push them out.
	It's, you know, there's so many levels of child abuse coming from that side.
	But they're so far removed from the problem that they have no idea that there is a problem.
	It's like, okay, well, sorry, if you've asked for it, you should get it.
	I'm at that point now.
	I've got no sympathy or patience anymore.
	Yeah.
	These people.
	And what do they think that this is actually going to achieve?
	Do they think that, you know, the Home Office is going to say, oh, look, but there were six people in Abergavenny in Wales that don't like this.
	Same in Swansea.
	They had a demonstration in Swansea yesterday.
	I didn't know about it.
	We would have gone otherwise.
	What are they going to do?
	You know, what difference do they think they're making?
	It is just to stand there and say, look at me, I'm virtuous.
	Yeah.
	These people, and I mean these people, are the same people that turn up for the climate change emergency.
	Oh yeah.
	The same people that turn up for any renter mob.
	In fact, that's exactly what Calvin Robertson pointed out in the next one we're going to go to.
	He was on GB News and he says, fascinating that bishops cannot agree on resurrection, virgin birth or what is necessary for salvation, but they are unanimous on the Rwanda policy, Brexit and climate change.
	It's remarkable, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's the intersectional agenda, and we can all see that you all align exactly on all of the same points.
	If one of these people comes up to me and says, oh, climate change is destroying the planet, I know every opinion you have on every single subject.
	Absolutely.
	Funny enough, Kelvin is correct, because we've got a bishop in St.
	David's, a woman bishop, And she, at one stage, she put on her own Facebook and Twitter that she didn't think that people that voted Brexit were Christians.
	And then she had to take it down.
	So, yeah, this is the kind of...
	And I'm fighting in my own area at the moment.
	We've now got a trans priest.
	We've got two lesbian bishops.
	And...
	You know, the whole thing around the divine, the breaking of bread, are they saying, well, we can use something else then?
	Yeah.
	We don't need to use wine.
	Should we use vimto or something else?
	Because, of course, they're interpreting the Bible differently to how it was handed down to us by Christ.
	This is literally what the Pope would have said about Martin Luther.
	People who support Martin Luther aren't Christians.
	Yeah, we know you think that.
	But people who support Brexit aren't Christians.
	As if the EU is ordained by God?
	Yeah.
	Like, what the hell is wrong with you people?
	Anyway, so, as you were saying earlier, another 440 channel migrants crossed yesterday, which bloody, obviously, why not?
	Active Patriots predicting 100,000 this year by dinghies alone.
	So, yeah, well, the Conservatives are like, yeah, we'll have a million, legally.
	Don't know why these people bother with illegal immigration, but legal immigration is just an open door.
	Yeah.
	Like, why not just come legally?
	I, well, I, exactly.
	I know people.
	I don't know why.
	I know people personally, too, in an Indian family, you know, husband, wife and a daughter.
	And they, the, the hoops, one of them's, you know, he's a scientist, medical scientist, he's developing, I can't remember exactly what, but it's something groundbreaking.
	But he's someone who's productive, who you might actually want in your country?
	And he's paying £4,000.
	His wife has to pay £4,000.
	The daughter has to pay £4,000 for a year with a placement and a job.
	And they're like, you know, not knowing whether or not they're going to be sent back.
	You know, whereas these guys, they're just cross and they never leave him.
	We've got them in the hotel just around the corner here.
	They're just hanging around outside drinking and smoking all day.
	That's all they do.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's like, okay, well, just bum and fag them, guys.
	I actually think, and I'm a stalwart not to have identity, but I've come to the conclusion now that we need to bring in a temporary identity and those who cannot pass that identity are deported full stop.
	They just go, get out.
	We don't want you.
	You're a burden on our society.
	If you can't prove who you are, where you're working, what you're doing, how long you've been here, what your background is, and you're in the black economy, then I'm sorry, this country isn't for you.
	Well, I agree.
	I mean, you shouldn't be here legally, being illegal, not paying taxes.
	But anyway, let's move on.
	So it turns out that the Welsh Government is persecuting podcasters now, such as our guest, The Voice of Wales, who we're going to go into exactly how you guys are being persecuted.
	But first, if you want to support us, because we're probably next on the chopping block, head over to thelotuses.com and sign up for the cost of the Super Chat Month, and you can get access to great content like this, The Left Doesn't Understand Economics, done by Josh and Harry, where they're basically just going through every leftist economic assumption and ruining them, especially modern monetary theory.
	But they're just addressing all of these terrible arguments.
	They do a really great job.
	So if you'd like to support us, go check that out.
	Anyway, so, where exactly did all of this start?
	Because we've covered your deplatforming and persecution before, but it's gotten worse, hasn't it?
	Yeah, yeah, it definitely has.
	I think the problem is, and I know you've already covered a little bit of what we're going to go over today, but it's just to add a little bit more context.
	Yeah, let's have a recap.
	Yeah, because I think it's important because all we are are journalists.
	That's literally all we are.
	We don't make the news.
	We just report the news and highlight certain things.
	And at that point, you know, we were, it was coming up to elections.
	You know, we had the Senate elections due and we were getting a good bit of traction.
	And then the BBC article came out, um, the YouTube Voice of Wales channel accused of racism.
	So accused, you know, a full nothing article.
	I'm accusing the BBC of harbouring paedophiles.
	There's more evidence of that.
	That's a demonstrable truth.
	And you think, you know, you can see in Wales, it's all connected.
	You've got BBC, Wales Online, S4C, Channel 4, and it's one reporter that does the lot.
	And at the time, you guys only had like 5,000 subscribers.
	5,000 subscribers when they sent out the article.
	How could that have been something that triggered them so much that they had to go, oh god, 5,000 subscribers, these guys have got to go?
	How is that a threat to the BBC? Well, according to this, because we dared to have people like...
	Can't say his name.
	Lord Voldemort, as you call him, on our show.
	The Proud Boys, who are, I don't know if you know, they're a registered terrorist organization in Canada.
	In Canada, yeah.
	And Katie Hopkins.
	So I find this remarkable because, I mean, like, you know, don't get me wrong, you know, Tommy Robinson, or I shouldn't have said his name, I think, but anyway, and Katie Hopkins, they're controversial figures, but I don't think they're racist.
	No.
	And I don't think they're Nazis.
	No.
	The Proud Boys, them being registered as a terrorist group in Canada, says more about Canada than it does anyone else.
	For example, ISIS are a terrorist group everywhere, and so right, okay, then ISIS is probably a terrorist group, if everyone can agree that they're terrorists.
	If the Proud Boys are only terrorists in Canada, not even in the country in which they operate, then that says more about Canada, because Canada is run by lunatics.
	I mean, the leader of the Proud Boys is Hispanic.
	So it's like, what kind of white nationalists are these?
	But you've got to take it into context, because of course the reason why we had them on was because of the Trump election, or the Trump non-election, and the background to that, and the The temperature that was going through their country.
	So, obviously, the people that we want to speak to are the people at the front end.
	Yeah, that's not an explicit endorsement to say that you agree with everything they think.
	Well, no, otherwise, you know, the BBC would be banned because of having Jimmy Savillon or Ceaușescu or a string of other terrorists and people that they've had on.
	I think they probably do endorse the communists and pedos.
	Yeah.
	I actually think they do platform these people out of a form of endorsement.
	So they're obviously looking at you and going, well, therefore, you must be doing it as well.
	And say, okay, but I'm not platforming a pedo, am I? Yeah.
	Anyway.
	Exactly that.
	But, you know, it did go everywhere.
	And we couldn't believe the traction it was getting.
	You know, the BBC got in touch with us one, the night before.
	Yeah.
	It was like, oh, basically, this is your charge.
	How do you plead?
	You know, do you want to add anything?
	This is a court.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's exactly what it was.
	So we just thought, look, we're just going to give a, you know, it says on the video, we're going to give a blanket statement.
	You know, we're just journalists who give a voice to people who aren't represented on the mainstream, which is important.
	And you'd think a democracy, a democratic society would support.
	But unfortunately, because of the things that we're talking about, like I said earlier, Wales is so not engaged in politics.
	You've got 54% not even voted in.
	So, they don't know about the certain things that we're bringing up.
	So when we talk about FGM not, you know, going unpunished, or Wales is a national sanctuary and no one voted, sex education from age three, you know, mandatory.
	When we talk about this sort of stuff, we're highlighting it to people who don't know.
	And it's disrupting their apple cart.
	And it went, you know, it went from the BBC News article, which is there now, it went over then to, you know, more local Pembrokeshire Herald, they covered it as well.
	They are massively lefty They all are, aren't they, the news outlet?
	Of course they are.
	And then you've got the Morning Star, who, you know, the next one, then the Morning Star, they covered it, and they feature the...
	The Morning Star for peace and socialism.
	Yeah.
	I'm quite proud of being on the front edition of that.
	I've seen what makes you cheer, like your boos mean nothing to me.
	The thing The thing is that we've actually had Lee Jasper on.
	I don't know who that is.
	He's a black activist, lawyer, who was Mayor Kahn's advisor, so you can tell how bad he is.
	And we had him on the show, and this was because of a death in custody of a black guy in Cardiff.
	It all turns out, you know, That it wasn't as...
	It was all contrived.
	It wasn't a scene from American History X. And the next time we invited him on, he said, oh, I can't come on with you guys.
	Yeah.
	No, I further looked into who you are and I won't be coming on your programme again.
	LAUGHTER But we've always offered them.
	There's a lot of people who hate our stuff, the types you'd expect.
	But they've always got an option to come on the show.
	We'll go to meet them, we'll interview them and ask them some questions.
	They've always got that opportunity.
	So just because the people who tend to come on the show are the people who tend to be our side of politics, that's not because we've asked that.
	It's an open platform for everybody.
	It's because they weren't engaged.
	It's because they weren't engaged.
	But I mean, is it alright if we try and figure out exactly what you've said that was evil?
	Because, I mean, like the BBC had the Labour MP and Shadow Secretary of State for Wales, Nia Griffith, saying that you were very dangerous and provoked hate and racism.
	They try and create splits in our society.
	We must take it seriously and see if there's a way of lessening their influence and, of course, censoring you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And of course the Conservatives were like, well, they should have free speech, but they did nothing, obviously.
	So the question is like, what exactly have you said?
	I mean, Tia Roach of Stand Up to Racism said they spout a lot of ideology around immigrants and refugees in the Muslim community.
	Are you not allowed to have a commentary on these things?
	That's not racist.
	That's not a declaration of racial superiority.
	Like, what are you talking about?
	The closest thing I have from any of these is the socialists saying that you've called for refugees to be gassed?
	Is that true?
	No.
	No, right.
	I mean...
	I think I know what they're on about.
	So on our Facebook page, you always get, you know, comments.
	You can't control the comments.
	You know, someone put a thing in.
	So Penale Camp, apparently it was unknown, but it had new gas mains fitted two weeks before.
	So someone said, turn the pipes the other way, in the comments.
	We highlighted it, deleted it, removed them, job done, because we don't support that.
	That should not happen.
	It should be legally in doubt with properly.
	But that's what they do.
	And I would not be surprised if it was someone like that who had gone into the comments, because that's what they do as well.
	They stage comments.
	Screenshot it.
	And then put it everywhere.
	But like with Lord Voldemort, there's no statement that they can clip from you to say, Voice of Wales, play the clip of saying refugees should be gassed.
	And there we go.
	There's no comment like that.
	It doesn't exist.
	It's the same with Lord Voldemort.
	Because actually, refugees are legal.
	Yeah.
	We don't talk about refugees, actually.
	What have you said about the Ukrainians legally coming here as refugees for a war zone?
	They should have better accommodation, but unfortunately, every good accommodation is full.
	Yeah, we put them up in the hotels, but they're a bit overflowing at the moment.
	Yeah, with the illegal ones.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's the point.
	That is the point.
	We've made comments on Hong Kongers, we've made comments on the Vietnamese boat people, that they kept Ugandans, that they came legally and that they've settled into this country absolutely peaceably.
	The issue is that we've got people coming in that are unknown that there has been an uptick in rapes and children being abused and other things from a specific demographic.
	And Mr O'Brien...
	Pretends it doesn't happen.
	You house them.
	You house them.
	You have them looking after your kids.
	Well, it's peak nimbyism, isn't it?
	Not in my backyard.
	Yeah, that's exactly it.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No, it's not in your backyard because you live in a giant gated house, you know, with a swimming pool.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Stick them on Hampstead Heath.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	So this was the worst thing that they had claimed that you'd said, but that's not true, which, you know, I'm going to take your word for it because I'm not going to take the word of a socialist on it.
	But another high crime of yours was mocking Swansea Football Club players for taking the knee.
	Yeah.
	How could you, lads?
	Well, we didn't even mock.
	We weren't mocked.
	I wouldn't!
	We were getting tip-offs.
	Well, we have to remain impartial because we are so heavy.
	We're in court.
	We're in court all the time.
	We've had six court cases that all of them were dropped.
	It was all punishment by process.
	Really?
	So we have to make sure we are whiter than white.
	No pun intended.
	We have to be on the line.
	Yeah.
	We do skate on the edge, but we were again notified of protesters going down to the Liberty Stadium to protest against the players taking the knee, which now all of a sudden turns out we all know what Black Lives Matter is.
	We all knew before, but it's common knowledge now.
	So we went down to report on it, and you're looking at six people turned up with horns, you know, just as they take the knee, beep the horns, boo, and then off they went.
	National news.
	Sky Sports, BBC Wales, BBC Sport, National News, the Swansea City giving statements, Mark Drake giving statements, South Wales Police giving statements, because it happened about four times, didn't it?
	If no one turned up, they'd have nothing to do that, David.
	But the irony is that the third time this happened, it was that the Welsh Government had determined that this will not happen again.
	And there was more police.
	So the Welsh aren't allowed to protest?
	No, not in that way.
	Right.
	You see?
	So they'd already had two protests, and the total protesters were ten in each, roughly.
	Right.
	The third protest, there was police vans, police horses, there was, what's the cars that take your registration numbers?
	AMPRs.
	AMPRs.
	There was an outer ring, there was an outer ring.
	It was like the White House, you know, with the barriers up all around it.
	And the funny thing is, it's actually called the Liberty Stadium.
	What I love about this is that I get the impression that it's just the Welsh Assembly members.
	They really like to feel like this is an important place of the world.
	Like, oh, we need all of this stuff.
	Look, dude, I don't want to be condescending or anything, but nobody cares what happens over there.
	It's not like the international scene that you're trying to make it out to be for the people on Twitter.
	You know, I hate to, you know...
	Yeah, no, that's right.
	And that is why they've got their own small little empire.
	And in their own little empire, they are king.
	You know, and...
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And it's unfortunate because it is, you know, Wales...
	Like I said, the amount of people who don't vote in Wales, it's soul-destroying.
	You know, it really, really is.
	Because if everybody didn't vote, changed and voted, change it.
	But the irony is they did vote in 2016.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They actually wanted something.
	And guess what?
	The word Brexit has been erased from the Welsh Government.
	Yeah, can't use it anymore in the Senedd.
	Yeah, you can't use the word Brexit in the Senedd or in government papers.
	What?
	Because it's an issue that's been dealt with, apparently, so there's no need to call it Brexit.
	Oh, the cope.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We took a massive L there and we don't want to talk about it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the other thing is that in Wales, the Brexiteers who organised, they were very vocal, very organised, And there's not one single museum in Wales that has it.
	And if you write to the museum people, they say, oh, it's online.
	So they get 100,000 people through the doors and they can see Black Lives Matter rubbish that came from Bristol.
	Yeah.
	They were there for one day.
	Which came from America originally.
	They were there for one day and they went on a bus and went to different places within Wales and held it up for 10 minutes while they got a photograph of Capilli Castle behind them or Carmarthen Castle or whatever.
	And of course that's now centrepiece in the Welsh Museum.
	Yeah.
	Anyway, we'll skip over a couple of videos just because we've run over time a bit.
	But the Welsh Government, yeah, you did get a hit piece on the BBC, an entire video segment, which is nice.
	And then the Welsh Government got you permanently banned from YouTube.
	Yeah, so that video was the best thing that ever happened to us.
	You know, that video, you know, you guys covered it, you know, and it was straight away I got sent the details and was like, oh, you know, keep an eye on YouTube because you've just been covered, it's going to blow up.
	So we're watching it and every thousand people that joined, we're tweeting, S4C, Wales Online, thanks for the extra thousand, thanks for the extra five thousand, up until it got to like 15,000 and then they lobbied YouTube and gone.
	I mean, this is just open censorship done by the world's government.
	For nothing as well.
	Yeah, for what have you even said?
	Yeah.
	But the annoying thing is the video there, it basically says how they've had three videos removed and six demonetised.
	So the three videos we had removed was regarding COVID. We were there and we were at protests and we were recording speeches.
	So they removed them.
	The six demonetised were, say, for example, if we were talking about councillors' expenses, we'd play money, money, money, you know, as an intro, you know, just as a little quirky thing.
	So it'd be demonetized because of copyright.
	Sure.
	But they don't give the context, you know?
	Yeah, that's not illegal.
	No.
	That's not immoral.
	But to the headline, three videos removed, six demonetized for breaking community standards.
	Yeah, it makes you sound like absolute terrorist, doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	And again, talking about COVID, well, I mean, we had a bunch of strikes when the COVID stuff happened as well.
	I'm like, Christ.
	Because YouTube rolled out these arbitrary rules about what you could and couldn't say that they didn't have before.
	So it's like, okay, well, sorry, I just didn't know.
	Because it's all a bit, you know...
	Off the cuff, wasn't it?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So anyway, yeah, so what happened after this?
	So we, again, we were lucky that we had, you know, good people who were standing up for, you know, this shouldn't be happening.
	Like them or not, this shouldn't be happening.
	And we had people wanting to help, you know, we are not tech savvy at all.
	So we had people saying, look, we can build your website, we can do this, we can do that.
	And we just kind of kept our neck above the water for a little while.
	Because our intention was always to hold the politicians to account.
	And we can do that without these videos.
	We can put in the freedom of information.
	We can give out flyers and stuff.
	It just helps, you know?
	But then we started uncovering other things.
	Like...
	For example, the National Sanctuary, anyone can come to Wales, no questions asked.
	Sixteen-year-olds can now vote.
	Foreign nationals can now vote.
	The sex education from age three.
	All this stuff that's coming in, sneaking in, that the public don't know about, we're highlighting it to the public.
	We're not just reporting on it and doing a lip service article.
	We're actually highlighting something that isn't in the news deliberately.
	Because it wants to be kept secret.
	The biggest one was the FGM. And we've found out that FGM has been a criminal offence since 1985.
	So we asked about female genital mutilation.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And just for the interest of fairness, any freedom of information request we put in...
	All included male genital mutilation, breast ironing, things like that, you know, so we weren't specifically homing in on this because we were called racist for just homing in on this, even though this is looking after young...
	You're racist for not wanting young girls to be mutilated.
	Young black girls, you know, as well.
	Sorry.
	But then, you know, so in fairness...
	I'm trying to be a bit less racist now.
	You can't win.
	No, no, no, no, that's the point.
	Sorry, carry on.
	No, well, you know, in fairness, you're still going at it, and we've been going at this since the end of 2018, just trying to get answers, how many break it down into age, and that you could just come up against, pushing back, push back.
	We did finally get somewhere.
	You can see there, Swansea Council, 17, 18, 19, 20, and 21.
	That's the amount just in Swansea.
	68 in 2019?
	Yeah.
	And then you've got 16 when the country was completely locked down.
	You know, there was no flights going anywhere.
	So where were them 16 people cut?
	You know, it would have been local.
	It was Swansea or Cardiff.
	That is awful.
	And the next one then we went to Swansea Bay Health Board and you know you can see there that this is the thing that really gets me is that Swansea Bay Health Board the figures are different again.
	So they don't even have a line in figures.
	And they go to the next one which is South Wales Police.
	Now South Wales Police actually redacted this email because they realised what they actually given us.
	And this is just numbers of children.
	So under two years old between these times 94 children cut.
	You know, under 5, 57, under 10, under 16.
	So they're all children.
	And without being too graphic, this is done without anaesthetic.
	It's done usually, well, for the children who are 2, the reason why they're doing it younger now is because, of course, if you're under 2, you can't speak, so there's no witnesses.
	The others, it's lifelong.
	And the thing that the Welsh Government don't want to do, we've now got a child commissioner in Wales, but guess what she doesn't cover?
	Yes?
	How did I know?
	How did you know that?
	You must be a racist.
	It was just an intuition.
	Yeah.
	But then we go on to the bigger ones, you know, so we NHS Wales, you know, you can see the numbers are, you know, flying up a little bit by there.
	And then on to the next one, the Welsh government, again, numbers not lining up.
	So they don't know how many are happening.
	No.
	Because they've got no consistent figures.
	But what we do know is there's been zero prosecutions.
	And that's hundreds every year.
	Yes.
	Which is going to tally into the thousands.
	Yes.
	And people say, you know, when we're speaking to certain people, they say, oh, you want to try and get them figures for Birmingham or something like that, where you can imagine there will be a lot more.
	And that's probably true.
	But we really want to try and focus on Wales because we want to try and show people what you're going to get if you allow them to turn Wales into a nation of sanctuary.
	No one voted for it.
	No one asked for it.
	No one knows the outcome.
	And if you highlight it, obviously you're causing them a problem politically.
	God help the media, you know, ask tough questions to politicians.
	Well, the media is just the mouthpiece of the regime at this point.
	A slide that we haven't brought is the Crown Prosecution Service because they refuse to give the actual figures.
	They have given two figures, 96,000...
	In five years.
	And of those, another number that were sanctioned in some way, but none of them went the criminal way.
	So we're now left with, have they sent people to be educated rather than be convicted?
	Well, they've already said they do it through education.
	They don't, you know, but the problem is you've got child two and three who are also having it done.
	So at what point is education off the table, you know?
	Yeah, at what point does this become an actionable criminal offence?
	And now that...
	Because, actually, we were identical with the way we dealt with this with France.
	But France changed it about three years ago, and they started to prosecute.
	And the numbers have dropped.
	They've plummeted.
	What a shock.
	Surprising, that, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	When you make it illegal to do something and actually follow through, people are like, oh, I won't do that then.
	But anyway, so let's finish this by talking about your court date.
	Why are you guys in trouble?
	Well, funnily enough, the video, I don't know if we've got, it's only a short video, so I don't know if we've got time to play it, but this is what I believe has caused a lot of problems because Stan, when Mark Drakeford came to Swansea, Stan went along and he was able to actually ask him the question that he put to us.
	You know, are you a threat to modern day Wales?
	He called us a threat to modern day Wales.
	So Stan asked him that one question back and this video will show how aggressive he gets.
	Of just answering a simple question.
	Yeah, can we play that video, John?
	Mr Drakeford, are you a threat to modern day Wales?
	Are you a threat to modern day Wales, Mr Drakeford?
	Why don't you ever, ever answer questions to independent journalists?
	It's because you are a threat to modern day Wales.
	You are a threat to modern day Wales.
	No, I cannot.
	No, I cannot.
	Well, stand over there then.
	Stand over there.
	Thank you.
	You're a threat to modern-day Wales, Mr Drakeford, and you know you are.
	That's pretty much it.
	No, no, it's okay.
	It's okay.
	You're a great threat.
	Okay, you can stop it there, John.
	You can see how angry he is that you dare, the peasants have dared come and speak to the king in this manner.
	How dare you?
	That does seem exactly what it's like, you know.
	Two things from that.
	From this, we face court case after court case after court case.
	We had like cinema and co, which was the cinema stayed open through lockdown.
	Because we were there reporting on it, he was hand signing letters to bulk the shutters to the floor, which they did.
	They came overnight and bulked the shutters to the floor of the cinema.
	Absolute tyrant!
	Hand signed by him.
	But because this did go viral on a Twitter account that we had before we got booted, so it got to him and it really, really annoyed him.
	And I really do think that this is a big part of the court proceedings.
	That triggered him.
	Yeah, I can imagine that he's taking a personal interest in you guys.
	So the previous ones were for filming during COVID, but they were dropped, right?
	They were all dropped because we had permission from the Welsh Government.
	We pre-empted it.
	In Tier 4 lockdown, are we able to work and travel as journalists?
	They come back, yes.
	Simple as.
	One word, yes, you were able to travel.
	So that was our evidence and that should supersede anything.
	But the police were outdoors twice a day, half past midnight, things like that, banging the door for weeks to try and give us papers.
	I think the proper term is STASI. Yeah, absolutely.
	South Wales Stars, yeah, without a doubt.
	They absolutely, you know, they do hate this.
	They are political animals, absolutely, because the four police and crime commissioners, three of them are ex-Labour, and one is Plaid Cymru.
	All the councils are Labour, and of course the police think that we should have shooting galleries.
	And I don't mean shooting galleries, I mean shooting galleries, because...
	So they want full San Francisco?
	Absolutely.
	So it's a full-on woke takeover of Wales?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So what's this court date for and what are you in trouble for, this one?
	So this one is for, we went down to a vaccine centre.
	We were told that there were three people there going to try and serve papers.
	So we thought, oh, we'll go down and have a look, see how this pans out.
	This was just after, I don't know if you saw it, the crime reference number that came out and everyone was saying, oh, you can go to a vaccine centre and close them down and stuff like that.
	So, we thought we'd go down and see actually what happens.
	Now, just to point out, we do go and report on things we don't agree with.
	I personally wouldn't have done that, but we'd just report the news.
	So, we went down to see a superintendent, was it, or chief inspector?
	Chief inspector.
	He turned up, which is unheard of, you know, especially for three protesters, told people to leave, told people to move.
	Everybody moved and left, but he still said, arrest them, arrest them all.
	So we were arrested at that point.
	You weren't.
	I said to the cop who was holding my hand, we always identify ourselves.
	Just let you know, we're media, look, here's our press badge, here's our press badge.
	We're wearing, you know, everything we've got says media.
	And so she's holding my arm.
	She lets go of my arm and asks the chief inspector, you know, what about these?
	They're media.
	No, they're not.
	They're Voice of Wales.
	Get them in the car.
	So, which is what happened.
	But the Welsh government has recognised you as media by saying you can.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Even in that video, you know.
	And there's no question that you're broadcasting.
	I mean, this is what you do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But then, obviously, what they basically did then, they held us for 32 hours in a cell.
	32 hours?
	Yeah, so they charged us with aggravated trespass.
	And then they put two further charges on us, which were from the protesters of fraud.
	That then gave them the ability to raid our houses and seize our vehicle.
	And they're not charging you with a hate crime?
	They're not charging you with being racist, which is a crime?
	No.
	So they've now dropped the two fraud charges and were left with aggravated trespass.
	And we went before to plea, obviously not guilty.
	The judge seems to recognise that we have a different argument to the protesters and that we wanted to actually have a separate trial.
	And the argument was that it was too costly to do that.
	So then I threw it back and said, what is the cost of justice?
	And she said, she then summed it up, so we're in with the same guys that serve the papers.
	But you weren't protesting there yourselves?
	Nope.
	No, we were just standing back with the camera.
	You know, when we were giving the instruction to move, me and Stan were already...
	You know, he said that's the designated place, that we were already there, because we're standing from a distance, you know?
	So this is really because you're marked men.
	Yes.
	That is what it is, yeah.
	And that's why, you know, I really wanted to, you know, give the guys...
	Of a full background on what is happening.
	Not because, you know, you want to promote Voice Away.
	It's just because you want to promote the fact that media is dying.
	And as soon as you step, like you said, 5,000 subscribers.
	Non-regime media is being persecuted.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	I hate to do it, but we're going to have to move on because of time constraints.
	So, in Britain, we have grossly offensive criminal memes, believe it or not.
	This isn't good news.
	This is the sorry state of free speech in Britain.
	If you say something that is not politically correct and you have a picture and you send that picture via an electronic medium, you can actually go to jail for that in this country because we're just some...
	Backwater tyranny now.
	But anyway, before we start, if you'd like to support us, go to lositias.com, sign up, and check out this latest article we have from John Tangney, which is about Sigma males and school shooters.
	Now, these people have essentially been failed by society, and how much worse it gets from there.
	But I won't dwell on that.
	Let's carry on because we're running out of time.
	In 2018, you might remember that a man was arrested for his effigy of the Grenfell Tower burning.
	Now, let's be very clear.
	This is in bad taste.
	Very bad taste.
	Yes.
	The Grenfell fire was a tragedy.
	72 people died, I think it was.
	Obvious tragedy.
	And, you know, whoever was responsible for that should be held to account.
	Yes, everyone agrees.
	Conversely, people saying things about it, as in bad taste as it might be, shouldn't be a crime.
	No.
	That's my opinion.
	No.
	And this happened.
	Five men were arrested in connection to a video that they uploaded stupidly to the internet.
	Even in 2018, you'd think people would have known, look, you can't just upload things to the internet these days.
	You've got to be careful.
	Piers Morgan was leading the charge.
	We need to find out who they are.
	Thanks, Piers.
	He was helping people out because he got triggered by this.
	I'm not even joking.
	He was literally triggered by this.
	So they were arrested on suspicion of defence under the Public Order Act, where they had committed where the words of behaviour are used in writing while a sign of visible representation is displayed by a person inside a dwelling, and blah, blah, blah.
	They put it on the internet, basically.
	And so it turned out this was a chap called Paul Bassetti, who was a man from London in Croydon, who pleaded guilty for this.
	The clip was recorded at a party in South London Yeah, maybe.
	So?
	I find James O'Brien deeply offensive.
	Offense is an opinion.
	Not a lot of people would laugh at it, but people would, I feel, generally see that this was just a bad taste joke.
	It was a bad taste joke.
	Frankie Boyle, we discussed earlier on, How many bad taste things has he done?
	The number of rape jokes and rape jokes of children that Frankie Boyle has done that I, as a father, I have to say, don't really appreciate.
	But I don't think he should go to jail for them.
	Believe it or not.
	You just don't watch him.
	Exactly.
	And that's what we say to our commenters.
	If you don't like it, turn over.
	Turn over, turn off.
	You're totally free to do it.
	You've got all the power in the world to curate your own media feed these days.
	And that's actually one of the problems with social media is that people get siloed into these echo chambers where they never see a dissenting opinion.
	So don't come to me and say, oh, I had no choice but to watch it.
	Yeah, you did.
	Anyway, so Bassetti was initially acquitted by a high court, but then this was reversed because the Crown Prosecution Service appealed his acquittal.
	Yeah.
	So the crime prosecutor was like, no, no, no, we've got to get him on something.
	We're not having this.
	This guy has to go down for this.
	It's like, really, why?
	That is shocking.
	Isn't that disgusting?
	Because the CPS said to you, well, I'm sorry, we don't get involved in any, you know, any cases or any proceedings.
	We just say yes or no.
	Yeah, that's what they told us.
	The only two things the CPS need to do is make sure that they've got a reasonable chance of winning and make sure it's in the public interest.
	That is it.
	So yeah, he was ordered to have a retrial after the CPS got involved, and he faced the retrial and also has to pay the CPS's cost of six grand.
	So it's cost him six grand for the crown.
	Why are you getting involved?
	The High Court's made the decision, and they're like, no, no, no, we're not having that.
	And so in April 2022, he got his suspended sentence.
	Again, this has been going on for years for this man.
	You know, don't get me wrong, stupid video.
	It is offensive, but so what?
	He was sentenced for 10 weeks, suspended for two years after admitting a grossly offended...
	Offensive viral video of the tower, blah, blah, blah.
	And so this comes to the point where it's like, right, okay, well, if that's for the Grenfell tragedy, that's actually quite a localized affair.
	You know, it's only in Britain that people care about that.
	What if you were to make a meme about George Floyd?
	Saint George Floyd.
	The official term.
	Well, Sergeant Geraint Jones of Devon found out.
	He posted an image of George Floyd, an altered image, in May 2020, and he got a warning.
	He admitted gross misconduct, and they say that he breached the professional standards of authority, respect and courtesy, equality, diversity, duties and responsibility, and discreditable conduct.
	And so he's got a five-year warning.
	The warnings are remaining in place for five years.
	Now, I mean, that's, okay, not great.
	You know, five-year warning for a silly meme, not great.
	But okay, it's just a warning.
	It's just a warning.
	He's not going to do it again, I assume.
	But what if you live in Birmingham?
	If you live in Birmingham and you post the George Floyd meme, you are going to jail.
	You are actually going to jail.
	So this was James Watts, a married father of one serving with West Mercia Police, shared the grossly offensive material in a group chat, which included former colleagues at a Warwickshire prison.
	Well, that was stupid, wasn't it, James?
	Birmingham Magistrate's Court, Deputy Chief Magistrate Tan Ikram, heard that the 31-year-old was charged following an inquiry.
	One of the memes featured a white dog wearing a KKK clothing, and another one displayed a kneeling mat with George Floyd's face printed upon it.
	So, again, offensive and stupid.
	I've seen worse...
	I've seen more offensive memes about Boris Johnson, for example, from probably these types of people.
	Yeah, I think that's a particular...
	I mean, with the George Floyd thing, it's a bit like the army.
	The army...
	There was an incident in Northern Ireland and a car was shot up.
	The people inside were dead, but they were breaking a traffic...
	You know, a cordon.
	Yeah.
	And it was night, and they didn't know who was coming, so they didn't know whether they were terrorists or joyriders.
	Turned out to be joyriders.
	The day after, in the barracks, a photograph of the car damaged and got holes in it, and it was for sale, and it had something like somebody who's good with, you know, repairing, body repair...
	Is that a way of getting over the stress that's just gone through?
	Well, this is the English sense of humour.
	It is the English sense of humour.
	And with this guy being a police officer and seeing what happened before George Floyd was Taken out of the car and then placed on the floor.
	I don't think he was murdered by the police.
	No.
	I've seen the videos.
	Yes.
	I watched the trial.
	The police officer wasn't charged with a racial hate crime.
	No.
	I don't think it was a racist murder.
	No.
	But it doesn't matter.
	But anyway, other images which Mr.
	Ikram said undermined the confidence the public has in the police, made jokes about George Floyd's death, featuring pictures of George of the Jungle and the children's game Guess Who?
	Watts accepted in police interviews that the messages were racist in nature.
	Yeah, they're racist jokes.
	That's what they are, clearly.
	They're memes.
	And so he pleaded guilty to 10 counts of sending a grossly offensive or menacing message by a public communication network.
	And I think what's interesting is Mr.
	Ikram's statements after jailing Mr.
	Watts, which I take exception to.
	He says, these are the most serious offenses.
	Really?
	In Birmingham, these memes are the most serious offences, aren't they?
	Yeah.
	I wish we got that FGM deep data from Birmingham now.
	Yeah.
	I think there might be worse going on in Birmingham.
	I mean, I've seen loads of viral videos of people fighting in the streets with machetes coming out of Birmingham.
	Quite often.
	Shoot-ins, shoot-bys.
	But, like, no, no, this is the worst.
	These are the most serious offences.
	Yeah.
	Why do these people not realise, though, that they're saying, you know, sharing a bad taste meme, you know, makes the police look bad.
	I personally think that sharing Lord Floyd and all this stuff by police officers, that's what makes police look bad.
	Wearing a rainbow badge makes them look bad to me.
	I find that grossly offensive.
	Will that be actioned?
	Of course not.
	At every stage since you found out, you were found out, you have cooperated with authorities and accepted you're wrong, but the fact remains that over a period of about a month, you continue to post messages that were grossly offensive.
	Okay.
	I do not agree with your advocate that this was stupidity or foolishness.
	This goes far beyond that.
	It's like, well, what are you saying?
	If it goes far beyond him being stupid and foolish, what are you saying?
	Are you saying that he's intending to, what, denigrate black people or something?
	To...
	I don't even know what he's trying to get at.
	You know, it just seems like the English sense of humor.
	Yeah.
	Did he make the memes?
	Yeah.
	Did he create them himself?
	Even if he did.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, so what?
	Yeah.
	They're just jokes on the internet that you don't like.
	Yeah.
	But listen to this.
	Ikran continued.
	You were previously a prison officer.
	I have no doubt that you would have received training in relation to diversity and inclusion in that role.
	There we go.
	That's the problem.
	This has tripped the diversity and inclusion ideological authority that this judge is handing down.
	So he's woke.
	This is a crime against wokeness.
	That's why he's being imprisoned here.
	And so he says, your behavior brings the criminal justice system as a whole into disrepute.
	You were there to protect the public and enforce the law, but what you did was the complete opposite.
	He posted a meme in a WhatsApp group.
	If he was taking bribes or something, I'd be like, yeah, okay, yeah, he's bringing the whole thing into disrepute.
	He posted a meme.
	This hostility that you demonstrated on the basis of race makes this offending so serious that I cannot deal with it with a community penalty or fine.
	This is a progressive attack on an Englishman for his sense of humor.
	Yeah.
	For posting.
	Well, I just thought it was a funny joke.
	Yeah, you did.
	But that's a crime against progressivism.
	And so the judge, who is obviously ideologically possessed, is like, no, you're going to have to go to jail.
	This is so serious.
	It's worse than any machete attack.
	It could happen on the streets of Birmingham, right?
	And honestly, I think there's an aspect of this.
	Okay, what are the numbers for people sentenced for hate crimes on the basis of race?
	Like, how many white people are sentenced to hate crimes?
	How many non-white people are sentenced to hate crimes?
	I looked for these figures, couldn't find them.
	I could just find the aggregate total.
	I couldn't find a racial breakdown of how many black people are sentenced to hate crimes, how many white people, how many Asian people.
	You can't find them.
	And it's because I think there are very few non-white people who are sentenced to hate crimes.
	So, Mr.
	Ikram, if I was a progressive, I would be able to say, well, this seems like a racial bias on the part of the judge.
	I'm not a progressive, so I'm not going to say that, but I think that would be one aspect that you could analyze, isn't it?
	But he says, anyway, a message must go out, and that message can only go out through immediate sentence of imprisonment.
	A message must go out that racist memes are imprisonable crimes.
	You can imagine the canteen talk.
	You know, what are you in for?
	What are you in for?
	Rip.
	What are you in for?
	Posted a meme.
	Posted a George Floyd meme.
	And they're like, oh god.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Pedophiles are staying away from me.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Exactly.
	Oh god, I've got the disapprobation of the pedos now.
	They're spitting on me as I walk past.
	It's ridiculous.
	Absolutely ridiculous.
	And so, yeah, this is the state of meme culture in Britain at the moment.
	Don't post something.
	You're going to get in trouble for it, you know?
	Just be aware.
	Anyway, let's go to the video comments.
	Rules do apply to the current obsession with pronouns.
	Those at odds aren't in the first person, and it's quite clear there's no issue with the second person.
	Also, pronouns for objects are left out, at least for now.
	But by countenancing the use of the ungrammatical third person plural for singular, it strikes me that the conservative response to, what are your pronouns, is to use the established language and insist on the much overlooked third person pronoun we all share, one.
	Then watch the wokers tie themselves in knots because it follows their rules to the letter.
	That's very interesting.
	Very well thought out.
	John, do us a favour.
	Put that in the shared drive.
	I'm going to watch that again and have a think about that.
	That's very interesting.
	Let's go to the next one.
	The other day John and Harry did a bit about architecture and why modern architecture sucks.
	I'm here to warn you about the real threat of postmodern architecture.
	So I'm in Cleveland.
	This on my right is the Mather College for Women.
	It was later incorporated into Western Reserve University, which merged with Case Institute of Technology to become Case Western.
	Beautiful stone buildings, crenellated roofs, right next to a gothic church.
	And across the street, they decided to put up the BUSINESS SCHOOL! Oh my gosh!
	What is that?
	Anti-human, that's what that is.
	Yeah.
	That's an attempt to make you hate where you live.
	I watched the podcast that this guy's chatting about, and I was thinking exactly the same thing.
	We've got a building like that in Swansea, which is a new arena, and a bridge that looks the same.
	It's ridiculous.
	Oh, in Cardiff, there's a building like that as well.
	Yeah, the arena.
	Yeah, my wife made me go to some Doctor Who thing.
	We walked past this building.
	It's just the most ugly, warped, demented-looking building.
	I don't like brutalism.
	No, but actually, it looks quite good compared to that.
	I went to Boston once, and I was walking around, and it's, you know, old city for an hour.
	So I was looking around, and it's quite old-looking building.
	It's nice.
	I walked around the corner, and there's this giant, imposing, like, Judge Dredd-style building, like, looming over the...
	And I was just like, what's that?
	And they were like, oh, it's the Mental Health Institute.
	I was like, hey, Jesus Christ!
	You know, we're trying to drive them mad!
	You know, it's like the most evil-looking building in the world!
	You know, let's go to the next one.
	Because so much of the stuff you read contains predictable left-wing rhetoric, how about the Lotus Eaters plays buzzword bingo during the podcast and the winner gets a £10 bonus?
	Alternatively, why not play a sound every time a left-wing buzzword is read out?
	My suggestion is the Witcher 3 quest completion sound effect.
	Allow me to demonstrate.
	During the Game of Game talks, Benjamin promoted the conspiracy theory that feminists were energy-threatening video game research groups in order to influence game development.
	Since Game of Game, it is focused on promoting Brexit and crystallising feminism, Islam identity politics, and what he views as political threat to the media and other institutions.
	I mean, I was right.
	Like, that was true.
	Well, it's a conspiracy theory.
	Anyway, but no, the only reason we don't do that really is, one, time and technical reasons, but two, it would just be constantly playing throughout the entire podcast.
	Let's get to the next one.
	With the current state of affairs resembling more and more the backstory to Starship Troopers, it makes me kind of glad I'm working on power armor.
	Now to maybe figure out one that's actually useful instead of just cool looking.
	This guy's been working on this for months.
	Good effort.
	Yeah, it is good effort.
	It's really adorable.
	This guy's just like, yeah, I'm going to go into my garage and just build something fun.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Transformers.
	Yeah.
	That's a nice picture as well.
	Where is it?
	Where is it?
	Carl, these are the steps leading up to Mount Fuxin, Laos.
	It's a beautiful place.
	That's it.
	Coors also had underground tunnels to each individual building.
	Nothing says mental health like dark tunnels in the middle of the woods underneath an insane asylum.
	But the big problem was in the 70s when they couldn't subsidize the rent of the staff on campus anymore.
	So the staff left.
	They filled it with welfare recipients.
	This led to a huge spike in crime.
	then they had to remove the recipients and tear down all the buildings I feel we missed the first half of that I don't know where that is or what that's referring to but Tony always gives us ghost stories on just random things yeah right okay let's go for some comments Callum says hello voice of Wales greeting from one ex-army PAS subscribers oh excellent Free Will says how about another referendum on immigration to find out what the people think absolutely It would be a landslide.
	It would.
	Except in London.
	And in Birmingham.
	And various other places.
	I think the problem with that, though, is that you can't keep having referendums for things.
	And we've had a referendum on immigration.
	Brexit included immigration, included all of it.
	So I would say, no, we need to fight for that referendum that we've just had in 2016.
	It would be nice, but I think an explicit, you know, should we stop immigration?
	You know, explicitly.
	Because then it's like, you know, because with Brexit, they'll weasel about it.
	Oh, well, you know, you didn't say anything about non-EU immigration, which is what the Conservatives are doing at the time, incidentally.
	And so just to have a hard no, all immigration, no, would be very useful.
	And they'd never do it because they know how it would go.
	It would be devastating.
	And we'd never hear the end of it from whining leftists.
	Anyway, Longshank says, as Paul Joseph Watson pointed out, why is it that the government can't do anything on stopping any kind of immigration without a dozen left-wing lawyers behind every corner?
	When they robbed us of our liberty and locked us all in our homes, there wasn't a single one to be found to take up the case.
	Great point.
	Great point.
	That's a great question, yeah.
	And the government can do something.
	They just have to repeal the law that enables these lefty lawyers.
	For some reason, they haven't.
	Should have done it yesterday.
	That's what leads people to think that they don't actually want this to happen, is things like that.
	To get rid of all that criticism, do it.
	Deal with it today.
	How about not giving money from the public purse to fund illegally crossed I mean, it sounds like common sense.
	So the government's going to do the opposite and the lefty human rights lawyers are going to force them to do the opposite.
	Because that would be good for us.
	Alpha of the Beta says, calling Rwanda an S-hole country is racist according to the left.
	Until you want to send illegal migrants there, then it's hell on earth, unfit for human habitation.
	I did see one lefty blogger saying they want to send humans to Rwanda.
	What's the one about the women that you keep saying makes the left think?
	Oh, I don't know.
	Oh, right, sorry.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	Scotsey says, the comment below, I'd rather take my talents in Ukraine, was actually, Rwanda is actually beautiful and clean country.
	I feel like I'm watching the personification of split personality disorder.
	Africa is my friend.
	No, you don't have any friends.
	Not listening, not listening.
	The golem is Yeah, no, I totally agree.
	Like, I don't know anything about Rwanda, really.
	But saying I'd rather take my chances in an active war zone?
	Yeah.
	I don't think I would.
	But seeing the reports of Ukraine in Kiev in the last weekend, I think it was, where they all flocked to the beach.
	Yeah.
	You know, they all flocked to the beach in prom.
	So, you know...
	No idea.
	Free Will says, they don't give a toss about the will of the people.
	Until we realise that, nothing will change.
	These people aren't acting in bad faith.
	They are acting in bad faith.
	It is time to put real representatives into Parliament to replace the goons currently there.
	How that is achieved will be a monumental challenge.
	Well, that's the problem, because the British Republic, for some reason, like, we're going to vote Labour or Conservative.
	And that's it.
	It's like, right, okay, so there's no option for a third party, really.
	For some reason people don't care about the real issues that are affecting their lives.
	I've no idea why.
	They're watching the country being turned upside down in front of them.
	They're like, well, I guess I'll vote Labour then.
	Yeah, well, the worst, and it really done my head in actually this morning and last night, waking up and seeing the amount, you know, the Rwanda flight didn't go and everybody kicking off about England losing.
	Yeah.
	And it's like, you know, you care more about football.
	Yeah, well, you know.
	Yeah.
	I don't know what can be done or what can be said.
	Like, if you can't make people care about it, then...
	Exactly.
	I mean, I saw a Reuters report that I'll probably cover, like, tomorrow or Friday, where they had found that they'd surveyed people, and apparently, like, 46% of the British public just actively avoid the news.
	It's like, okay, well, that's the ostrich method.
	Yes.
	Stick your head in the sand.
	Yeah.
	Because things are really happening around you, whether you like it or not.
	Yep.
	Although, a Facebook page has taken off about fuel, and there's going to be protests on the 4th of July.
	Independence Day.
	Good, because, I mean, look at the fuel prices.
	It's just madness, and the waiting times in the NHS, and the housing crisis.
	Why do you think?
	Why do you think?
	Well, according to the...
	Migration Watch UK, 7 million unregistered with doctors, take them out of the equation.
	Would things be better?
	And the thing is, I went through the census data since 1960.
	The population of England and Wales who identify as English or Welsh...
	Has been about 45 million for the last, like, 70 years.
	So all of this, you know, problem with housing is not because the English and the Welsh are popping out loads of babies.
	It's immigration.
	It's all immigration.
	It's only immigration.
	There's no getting around that, you know?
	Anyway, Longshank says, to quote Andrew Jackson, I've heard the court's opinion, now let them enforce it.
	The government should have just sent the plane on anyway.
	We should not be subject to any foreign court, especially ones explicitly determined to undermine Britain at every turn.
	Absolutely.
	Totally agree.
	Fuzzy Toaster says, We shouldn't accept immigration unless they have a job to go to.
	We should increase the time it takes to gain citizenship, and non-citizens shouldn't have voting power.
	Not controversial takes.
	No.
	Just sensible.
	Yeah.
	These three points are like holy water to the blood-sucking parasite that is the modern progressive.
	Tell us how you really feel, Fuzzy.
	It is.
	I mean, I'd go a bit further than that.
	Anybody that comes in has to have a job that they're going to.
	A bit like the Australian model where they say, these are the list of jobs that we want this year and you can apply for them if you've got the right credentials.
	On top of that, five years health insurance and some money in the bank.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, they're going to be drawing upon services they've not contributed to.
	Yeah.
	So you know you must be – it's necessary that you are draining the tax money of the British public.
	Yeah.
	So there's got to be some sort of understanding of this.
	Kevin says, if these Iranian, Syrian, Iraqi, and Afghan asylum seekers are under threat from the regime in their own country, how brave of them to come all the way here and leave their families behind to face the music?
	Yeah.
	That's what I thought when you got all the young men fleeing from ISIS. It's like, oh, we were going to get killed by ISIS. What's going to happen to your wife and kids?
	That's because they're all trans and gay now.
	And all Ukrainian people coming over are female.
	Strange.
	Philly Fresh says, does this qualify as a James O'Brien, what EU law don't you like moment?
	Quite possibly.
	Callum says, I'll be honest, it's strange hearing genuine journalists talk about meaningful things in their local area and care about it.
	I don't see much of your content.
	Sorry, I'm tuned into ex-Army Paz's stuff.
	I like all you guys and I hope you had a good time on the low season today.
	Absolutely.
	Brilliant.
	Yes, thank you.
	Voiceofwales.com.
	Maureen says, the only way...
	No, no, seriously, you know, if people want to go and check you out and support you, that's where to go.
	Because you can't find them on YouTube or Twitter because of the Welsh government.
	Which, honestly, I just hate it.
	Like, if they had, like, you know, like, Mark Collett style, you as, you know, promoting Nazism and Zig Heiling or something, I'd be like, okay, fair enough, you know, I can understand why the YouTube are like, okay, you're gone.
	But there's nothing like that.
	They hate us.
	Of course they do.
	They hate me.
	For exactly the same reasons.
	We're not the artists.
	Yeah, I mean, the thing is, I spent two weeks, three weeks in a pen with the Gurkhas.
	Yeah.
	You know, hello.
	You know, culture totally different to mine.
	But one thing they're passionate for?
	Britain.
	They love us.
	And that doesn't matter whether you're black, blue, sky blue, pink with yellow dots.
	If you support Britain and you think this country's worth fighting for, then you're on my side.
	It was insufferable when Joanna Lumley had to campaign so hard to get...
	We give citizenship away to people who hate this country.
	And they're like, well, people who like it, I don't know about that.
	Well, they have fought for us for centuries.
	Yeah, I know, but it's like, sorry, they basically won the Argentinian war for us.
	Don't we own these guys something?
	It's like, yeah, but there are people here who really hate this country.
	And we'd really like to bring them in.
	It's like, why?
	Oh, why indeed?
	Exactly, exactly.
	It just makes you think, doesn't it?
	Anyway, Maureen says, the only way you learn how to be critical of the narrative is to openly debate ideas.
	People should listen, know how to make sound arguments, and adjust their beliefs if necessary.
	A Knight Foundation survey from 2019 found that 51% of college students say it's always or sometimes appropriate to shout down a speaker to prevent them from talking.
	Jesus Christ.
	Another 16% find it is always or sometimes acceptable to use violence to stop a speech protest or rally.
	That is just terrible.
	Absolutely.
	That's just unbelievable.
	If you censor voices you do not agree with, you only push them underground where they can fester and swell without restraints.
	Lord Nerevar says, when you tear out a man's tongue, you do not prove him a lie.
	You simply tell the world you fear what he might say.
	Correct.
	And again, I just can't think of anything that you guys have said that isn't something that would be said on GB News.
	But there's nothing there that's horrifically offensive that I can find, anyway.
	Anyway, Taffy Duck says, being labeled a terrorist in Canada is the same as being labeled the world's greatest lover in Afghanistan.
	LAUGHTER Bit of a sorry reflection on the Canadian regime, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	And we've seen what's happened in Canada since.
	You know, bank accounts frozen.
	Oh, yeah.
	You know, what they've done with the truckers.
	Anyone that donated 50 quid or $50, bank account's frozen.
	So that's the type of government they are.
	Well, exactly.
	And that's the thing, isn't it?
	Because they labelled the Proud Boys the terrorists before all that happened.
	It's like, look, this seems very much like an evil communist regime outlawing free speech, frankly, to me.
	Call me cynical, but I just can't see it any other way at this point.
	It's just like, Trudeau is a nightmare.
	I don't know how Canadians code.
	Who's he been the apprentice of?
	Schwab.
	Well, yeah, exactly.
	Absolutely.
	And literally, Schwab was like, we've penetrated the government in Canada.
	It's like, you are the government.
	Yeah.
	You're a maniac.
	And on that note, Just Say No to the Boogs says, the more they call these good men racist, the more rational and appealing they will make racism appear to the disenfranchised young men of our nation.
	Yeah, I mean, if racism is not being progressive, then there are lots of racists everywhere.
	You're creating a problem where one doesn't actually exist.
	The new definition of racist includes every single person in Britain.
	That's what they see.
	For example, we had Right Said Fred on the show.
	They're far right said Fred now.
	Oh yeah, I forgot that they'd become based activists.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Through the lockdown.
	And a lot of the lockdown demonstrations were very left-wing people.
	We went to the London demos and we spoke to loads of them.
	And they were then being called far-right.
	Welcome to the far-right, lefties.
	It's actually surprisingly inclusive.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Very welcoming.
	You just have to be pro-freedom.
	Omar says, Frankie Boyle is such a ladder puller.
	And this is a great point.
	He made his success on being offensive and edgy, but now that he can sit comfortably by toeing the line, he'll kick anyone else down the same rungs he used to climb to fame and demand they find their own way up.
	He's even more of a nimby arsehole for pushing the ideology he knows won't affect him.
	Yeah, that is a fantastic point.
	You didn't care when you were doing it for Rocky.
	It's how we got famous.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's exactly how we got famous.
	Yeah, it is exactly what made him appealing.
	He used to say hugely offensive things and we'd all go, ha ha ha, how ridiculous.
	But now you can't do it.
	General Hai Ping says, surprise, surprise, the police are quick even to take down one of their own once ze forbidden jokes are uttered.
	And that's true.
	They literally go off their own.
	I mean, don't get me wrong, I like to see a police accountability, but not on this subject.
	I'm not on jokes.
	How dare you?
	I hope the joke police at least go full meta and dress as clowns along with their rainbow truncheons.
	That's a great point.
	Are they junctions?
	Yeah.
	uh lee says i wouldn't be surprised if frankie boyle turns out to be some sort of sexual deviant that'd be one reason to explain his sudden shift in stance to free speech on free speech and edgy edgy humor save face he saw the truth coming about weinstein other dodgy characters i don't think he's that i think he became a communist and he looked at his previous sort of very liberal free speech position was just like oh no i'm a bad person by my own standards yeah yeah And so he's trying to atone for his sins.
	Yeah.
	I think that's exactly what a lot of people have done because, you know, what I always got to remember is that they live in a completely different world to us.
	In their world, if you walk, you win in.
	In reality, that's absolutely not the case.
	And that's the problem, is that all these people, Andrew Neil, for example, I would have said three years ago, best interviewer, best person to have on interviewing candidates.
	Now, no way.
	He's sold out.
	And that's what everybody seems to be doing.
	I mean, I like Jim Davison.
	Oh yeah.
	And his jokes with Chalky were funny.
	They were funny.
	Now he's not allowed to, because if he does, the woke will get him.
	They all know they're on the chopping block.
	All of the sort of boomer comedians from my dad's generation, they all know that they're done.
	They're all well aware.
	And it's like, well, you allowed this to grow.
	You didn't speak up when you needed to, and now it's controlling you.
	It's like, well, Michael says, what I wouldn't give to bring George Carlin back George Carlin would be cancelled like that.
	Within moments, frankly.
	So many prosecutors are desperate to be inquisitors, policing the virtues and morals of the people rather than their actions according to the law.
	Everything about it is deeply sinister, deeply tyrannical, and deeply foreign.
	That's a good point, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	This is not native.
	This is not normal.
	It's impringing on the native culture that is about free speech.
	I mean, like you say, you know, the English humor is a dark humor.
	But yeah, okay, something tragic happens.
	We make a joke about it.
	And this is something that foreigners have commented on about the sort of, and not just English, but British sort of characteristic to make light of terrible things in order to cope with it.
	And now they're like, no, you're not allowed to do that.
	It's like, so what are we supposed to do?
	Yeah.
	And that's it.
	You know, there are many history books that say, talk about the sodden English.
	You know, we like a beer and we like a fight.
	And we're being...
	Our mannerisms and our jokey edginess is being taken away so that we're all...
	Almost castrated.
	We've got to fit a certain narrative.
	And no, I won't fit that narrative.
	I'm within the law.
	If you don't like my views, turn off.
	Or, in fact, just go away.
	And note how you say, I'm within the law for now.
	Yeah, for now.
	Exactly.
	Until you're not within the law.
	By 2030, we're doomed.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We're all going to be in trouble for...
	For having opposed the regime.
	What are you in for, Callum?
	Telling a joke.
	What are you in for, Dad?
	Telling a joke.
	That's literally, at least the prisons will be funny.
	Prison me twice.
	We'll all be in solitary confinement.
	I did see a good comment, and it was about Gat, and it was, Gat seems like the gulag for the cool kids.
	All of a sudden, everybody you couldn't see for a long time were that.
	And it was like, oh yeah, this is cool, I like it.
	No, no, it actually is that way.
	And the final comment by Omar, I wish there were an anti-vote option where you can give negative votes to a candidate.
	That's a great idea.
	Yeah, we've said that for a long time.
	We've said at the bottom it should be none of the above.
	Yeah.
	And in fact, we were toying with setting up a party called...
	None of the above.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You just broadcast that, a nice one.
	Yeah, but I bet that I get votes just on the name alone.
	Yeah, none of the above.
	I think you would.
	But, right, so where can people find you guys?
	Get at VOWalesOfficial, and you've got Stan, which is VoiceOfWales1.
	VoiceOfWales.com is our main website, and that's where all of our content goes, and then Telegraph Voice of Wales.
	That's pretty much all we use.
	They can find all your social media links from VoiceOfWales.com.
	Absolutely, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Facebook, Facebook page, you know, but they always, you know, three months they're gone.
	Right, so go follow Voice of Wales Chaps, and thanks so much for coming in.
	I hope you've had a good time.
	Oh, I loved it.
	Good luck with the court case, because it's maddening.
	And if any of the lefty fans want to see us where we're going now, it's Ministry of Defence Boscombe down.
	Oh, really?
	I look forward to seeing it.
	Anyway, thanks everyone for joining.

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