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The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #403

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	Hi folks, welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Monday, the 30th of May.
	I'm joined by Martin Dordney of the Reclaim Party.
	Martin?
	Absolute pleasure.
	Great to be here.
	Long-term admirer of yours back from the Sargon days.
	First time we've ever met in person.
	It is.
	I'm really looking forward to this.
	No, I'm really glad you came down because we've got a bunch of stuff I really want to talk to you about, really.
	Because, let's be honest, what alternatives are there to the Conservatives other than the Reclaim Party in Britain?
	Well, at the moment we have the Omni Party, and particularly we saw that during lockdown.
	A total convergence of policy on lockdown, on civil liberties, on pro-vaccines, on the erosion of the right to protest, unless it was the right kind of protest, the Black Lives Matter protest, all the rest of it.
	And so I do think there's time for a new way of looking at things.
	I'm from the traditional left.
	Well, we're going to talk today about how the left has just died before our very eyes.
	But it's insufferable to see the Labour Party ahead of everyone else in the polls.
	What the hell are people thinking?
	Well, they're the least bad option.
	They're the kind of worst, they're the best of a bad bunch, that's all I can say.
	Particularly across the Red Wall, where I stood in Ashfield, and I campaigned in that European election in 2019, the Red Wall are completely falling out of love with the Labour Party, to the point where they don't even recognise it, and yet here we are, Storm has got a sniff.
	It's a miracle, it's such an act of self-harm by Boris, it beggars belief.
	Do people in the Red Wall believe that women can have penises?
	We're going to come to that in some detail later, but the answer is a definite no.
	Anyway, so let's talk about Ethan Klein's bomb threats.
	And this, I think, is just a marvellous example of how the blade of tolerance only ever cuts one way.
	If you know the right people in America, then...
	Well, you know, you can say practically anything, you don't get your channel taken down.
	But anyway, before we begin, I'd like to promote an interview we have on Lotacies.com with Dave Raboy.
	He is a fellow at the Claremont Institute and a friend of Ron DeSantis.
	And we were lucky enough to have him come down and give us an interview where we talk about America's problems.
	Because America has lots and lots of problems, as we constantly see in the news.
	For example, the recent shooting in Texas.
	It's just the worst thing when you go through it.
	The more that comes out, the worse it gets.
	This next link is just a list of the timestamps of the students in the school while the shooter is in there calling the police.
	You can see that.
	For nearly an hour, they're calling the police in the middle of it and no one's coming.
	Why?
	Because the cops are standing outside.
	Like 100 cops or something.
	150 cops are standing around outside.
	And so the question is, why didn't they go in there?
	And the answer, according to one Texas official, was, well, the police would have been in trouble.
	And afterwards, they were like, well, this wasn't the right decision.
	Yeah, it's an absolutely astonishing dereliction of duty when you look at that timeline.
	My sister's just been over.
	She lives in Texas.
	And she's absolutely astonished about what went on.
	You saw a case of parents climbing over fences, getting handcuffed, getting out of handcuffs, trying to get into the school themselves.
	And yet we have a bunch of coppers who are trained to put their lives at stake when it matters, and they were just cowards.
	There's no other way of looking at it.
	Well, I mean, they were told not to go in there.
	And I mean, thankfully, they're like, oh, that wasn't the right decision.
	So yeah, well done, genius.
	But the official reason was given to us by a Lieutenant Christopher Olivares, who said they were hearing gunshots, they were receiving gunshots.
	At that point, if they proceeded further without knowing where the suspect was at, they could have been shot, they could have been killed.
	Is that right?
	So for the protection of the police, they decided not to engage with the shooter.
	So what are the police for?
	Yeah, I mean, they should really reconsider their career choice.
	Yeah.
	If they're worried about getting in the line of fire in a state where you can openly carry weapons.
	I've been to Texas.
	I've been in bars.
	My God, that guy's got a gun on his shoulder.
	It's completely commonplace.
	And if you're a reaction, an enforcement officer, and you're not aware that that could be an issue, particularly in a school, then really you're in the wrong job.
	Don't work in the civil service.
	Absolutely.
	And like, what do you think the job...
	And the thing is, there is an argument in America, well, it's actually not their job.
	It's like, well, then you need to redefine their job role.
	Yeah, I mean, it's such a political hot potato.
	And every time it happens, we're talking about double standards again, you know, let's ban weapons.
	Let's bomb the NRA. We'll come to that in a minute.
	But really, you know, you are the first point of call.
	And when you're seeing parents pleading, begging and attempting to get in themselves without a weapon, we've got to ask some serious questions about what went wrong there.
	And this point was well made by, of all people, Ethan Klein, who posted this very sharp meme on Twitter with the kindergartners taking the fire for the Texas cops.
	And he's not wrong that this is a failure of the police in Texas.
	Good guys with guns be like.
	But not in most cases, actually.
	In most cases, in fact, there's becoming quite a litany of cases where a single individual with a gun actually prevents a tragedy.
	But anyway, before we go on to the rest of what Ethan's opinions on this one, which failed to live up to this one, let's very briefly talk about the absolute hero cop who was getting his hair cut at the time, got a text from his wife, who's a teacher in the school, and says, as an actor, she was a help, I love you.
	So he borrowed the shotgun of the barber and went in and saved a bunch of children, including his own eight-year-old daughter.
	This was Jacob Albarado.
	So, you know, salutes in the chat for him.
	But the interesting thing is he seems to have actively defied orders not to go in.
	And this got me thinking, like, how could you have been a policeman outside of this school, hearing the shots, hearing the screams, been like, well, the orders say stay here, lads.
	Like...
	Yeah, I mean, it makes you wonder about so many bits of bad policing now seem to be coming from the top down.
	Same in the UK. Oh, absolutely.
	We look at things like pride marchers and gender pronouns, all this nonsense, hardly comparable to this, but nevertheless...
	Terrible decisions that are being made.
	It's bad policy made at the top, which oftentimes is kind of paralyzing officers who want to do the right thing.
	But this is the sort of guy you want.
	You want the shotgun guy.
	Oh, yeah.
	You want the Terminator guy.
	Yeah.
	Not these guys hiding outside.
	If you can get to the next one, John.
	This report, the Texas Department of Police, told us there were 19 police officers in the hallway at Robin Elementary who made the decision not to break into the room where the children are being shot because they believed it turned into a barricade situation.
	And they said that it was the chief of police who made the call to stop the Border Patrol tactical unit from entering the school despite the fact that no police officer was injured.
	That is just unbelievable.
	Yeah, and really heads need to roll.
	I mean, why on earth would that decision be made?
	I mean, of course, in an open firing situation, police officers' lives are at risk.
	But really, what's the greater calling?
	An entire classroom full of kids?
	Yeah.
	Or one cop whose job is to do that?
	I mean, if you're an adult man, you've got an obligation, a moral obligation to try and defend a child, even if it means the risk of your own life.
	Yeah, and I wonder if these...
	I totally agree with that.
	I realise it's a very conservative position, very old-fashioned, but, you know, maybe you should try not to, you know...
	Like I say, you want shotgun guy at the barbers, not Mr.
	Health and Safety guy.
	Exactly.
	Who's worried about, you know, a ricochet might scratch one's eye.
	And so the reason that I bring this up and go through it is because this has, of course, been an internet firestorm with everyone and their mother having hot takes about it.
	And Ethan Klein of H3H3 was one of these people.
	Now, I didn't dislike Ethan a few years ago.
	I thought his commentary was okay.
	Are you familiar with him?
	Yeah, yeah, you can't avoid him.
	He's got millions of followers, right?
	Yeah, yeah, and he used to be quite funny.
	Like, go back about five years, he's a really funny guy, and now he's become exceptionally woke.
	But the thing is, you can see there's a tension underlying this wokeness, because he's not adverse to self-defense for himself.
	Like, he, as he will explain to us in this clip, owns a shotgun and is prepared to use it.
	Let's play it.
	Shoot you and kill you, okay?
	So to say I'm against violence, yo, this is how I sit in bed and I think about the walk combo on my gun cabinet.
	I imagine how fast I can get there, punch in the code, take out the gun, turn off the safety, put the bullet in the chamber.
	I think about that obsessively every night.
	And that's the world I live in.
	Okay, so I'm not against violence when it's necessary.
	Punching a guy for saying a stupid fucking joke is not necessary.
	And if you want to test me, come to my fucking house, and I've got seven bullets.
	It's a semi-automatic shotgun, and I can unleash seven fucking bullets on you without even having to cock that bitch.
	Now, I think that's a totally reasonable position, even though it's given to us by Ethan.
	But look at what he's saying there.
	He's saying, as a man, I have an obligation to defend my family, and so he rightfully thinks, oh, how will I do this?
	And he's got a particular plan.
	As he was saying, that was from a previous sort of controversy like six months ago.
	But he's right on that, you know, yeah.
	Yeah, it's actually written into Texan law.
	You know, if somebody breaches your threshold and they come into your property, then you are legally allowed to shoot them if you believe they will cause harm to your family.
	And morally obligated.
	Yeah, you'd assume somebody breaking into your house at night would wish to cause harm to your family.
	Therefore, you're allowed to shoot them.
	Again, my sister sort of told me this.
	It's completely true.
	So he's got a point on that, but then his next point...
	But that's the point, isn't it?
	He's got an absolute point on that, and he's right that you should have a gun to defend your family in Texas.
	Totally, totally legit.
	But then he decides because this particular event has happened, all of that goes out the window.
	And so I don't want to just, you know, recycle fairly tired talking points, but it doesn't justify taking away the gun ownership rights of legal firearm users because some tragedy has happened.
	This is not justified.
	And yet Ethan has got himself worked up into a lather on this, on Twitter, from the leftist perspective, which is literally only the state should have guns, which sounds very fascist.
	Or him.
	He's allowed guns.
	Well, that's the point, isn't it?
	He thinks, oh, disarm everyone, except me, because I might need this for my own defence.
	Anyway, let's play this clip.
	I saw there was a big protest outside the NRA meeting, which was good.
	Do we have any insight into what they're actually talking about there at the NRA meeting that's today in Texas?
	Someone should bomb that building.
	Yeah, I mean, here we go again.
	For me, this is a straight-up conversation about double standards, because you know full well, you know, if somebody with your political persuasion or myself made the same point, we'd be off social media, at a shot, done, dead, dusted.
	And this guy can just walk away.
	I think this whole conversation is about double standards.
	And that's why I think they go woke.
	They go woke as self-protectionism to keep their careers going.
	Yep.
	And you're absolutely right.
	It's about self-protection.
	So if you can go to the next one, there is a longer clip that gives a bit more context on this.
	And you'll wonder why I'm not using the clip from his own YouTube channel.
	Someone actually did take it down.
	They actually did report this, and YouTube did take this podcast down.
	But that's it.
	It's like one thing.
	If that were me saying this, I'd probably get my channel taken down.
	Not just that video.
	Well we made a video with Mike Yeadon, Alex here as director and you know he spoke about stuff which is provably true and has come out in the wash is true medical truths but we were taken down within four hours and our channel had a hard strike and basically never really recovered from that and that's the difference this guy will have one video down he'll be back up in brilliance before the day's out.
	But the full context is that, as you can see, someone's posted the higher thing.
	And he does roll this back.
	He's like, oh, I've gone too far.
	I didn't mean that.
	I take it back.
	And someone on Twitter claimed responsibility for this, getting his video yeeted.
	But again, it's hard to have any sympathy for this.
	Now, I'm not in favor of people just striking each other's channels and whatnot, because obviously that's just going to take lashes out of all content creators, and no one's going to be happy with this.
	But this is the paradigm that they've created, isn't it?
	Yeah, I think there's a long and illustrious relationship that the liberal left has with the concept of virtuous violence.
	You remember, like, Punch a Nazi, and it was okay to milkshake Nigel Farage, but you couldn't shout at Anna Soubry.
	There's this complete double standards.
	Even people like Nelson Mandela, dare we mention he was on the FBI's Most Wanted list for years.
	Dare we mention he was a terrorist?
	Yeah, he was a terrorist.
	And his wife used to like setting fire to tyres.
	They just happened to have people inside them.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	And that was seen as, well, you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelette on the left.
	But if you shout something at liberals or left, you're a fascist and you deserve to be cancelled forever.
	That's the conversation.
	It's complete double standards.
	Yeah, and this is something they call repressive tolerance.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, so he had to deal with this on Twitter, and I just want to go through some of the things he said, because I find this fascinating.
	If you go to the next one, John, he says, Conservatives got triggered over jokes I told and mass-reported me.
	I got banned for a week and the episode was removed.
	So he got a strike as well, so that's good.
	But again, notice how there had to be a bit of a sort of, you know, the clips go around Twitter and people going, well, hang on a second.
	You can't just call for the bombing of the NRA conference and then have nothing happen to you.
	And it was like a few days afterwards that YouTube were like, okay, yeah, we probably should take that down because it does look a bit improper, doesn't it?
	But anyway, look at this response.
	If only they cared about dead kids as much as they do jokes.
	So I want to say sorry.
	Sorry you're all the pathetic snowflakes.
	F the NRA and F Abbott.
	It's like, Ethan, why is that the appropriate thing to say?
	What the hell's wrong with you?
	Well, he's kind of doubling down.
	In some senses, you know, I think we should be free speech absolutists.
	Maybe he shouldn't get a strike.
	Then again, neither should you or anybody on our sort of side.
	But that's what this is about.
	It's about inconsistency of the application of arbitrary rules by YouTube, which they kind of make up as they go along, and then apply it differently to people with their political mindset.
	And the thing is, I can accept, okay, no calls for violence.
	You know, like I said, I'm a free speech absolutist as well.
	I think that the moral onus is on the person who commits the act.
	End of story.
	That's where it just stops.
	But I can understand that for, you know, the concerns that YouTube might have over influential speech and things like that, they say, on our platform, you can't call for violence.
	That's a fairly reasonable restriction.
	But again, like, this wasn't a joke, was it, Ethan?
	Otherwise, you wouldn't have walked it back.
	And this is, in fact, the point that Keemstar made.
	I love that we're a reporter.
	Bring Martin Dordney on to talk about Twitter drama with you.
	I don't know why I've done this.
	But if you go to the next one, Ethan Klein now straight up lying, saying it was a joke.
	It wasn't a joke at all.
	It was a statement.
	And that's true.
	He wasn't joking.
	He was angry that the NRA was defending his right to own a shotgun and other people's right to be armed.
	And he somehow thinks that this would prevent violence in America.
	And it's like, okay, we have violence over here that doesn't involve guns.
	How many car attacks have there been?
	If you tweet about incitement to riots in the UK, then you face a social media purder immediately.
	If you believe in cause and effect, if you believe that tweets can have a real-world action, Then there has to be a consistency of application.
	They clearly don't think that people will bomb a conference because he said it, but they clearly do think that if I call a Remainer a name, that I may cause them physical harm.
	It's just ludicrous, really.
	I think he should be allowed.
	I'm not massively offended by his comments, because I have the agency to not go and bomb something because someone tells a joke.
	Crazy.
	That's just the sort of person I am.
	You must be unique among men, Martin.
	Guilty.
	But anyway, the thing about this as well is that Ethan, like...
	It's embarrassing the way that he's handling this, because it would be easy to say, you know what, yeah, I got a bit swept up in the moment.
	I went too far.
	And I'm sorry about that.
	You know, I take my punishment, take my licks as I'm supposed to, and I'll just carry on with my life.
	But instead, Ethan said, no, actually, you're evil.
	I mean, look at this.
	I want to make it clear I don't advocate for violence of any kind.
	It's like, well, I mean, you did.
	You just did.
	And you said you were joking.
	You didn't actually apologise for that.
	But that is obvious to anyone that watched the segment, and not just the 10-second clip that was used to misdirect attention.
	It's like, no, you did walk it back, but that's because you knew you'd gone too far.
	And then he says, Republicans are now the party of dead children.
	It's ridiculous.
	I mean, if you look at where most gun crime happens in America...
	It's not in Republican cities, is it?
	It tends to be in Democratic-run basket case cities.
	Yes.
	And it's not school shootings.
	Yes.
	We see lots of kind of black-on-black massacres with handguns.
	It's the number one killer.
	Yep.
	But again, this is an inconvenient truth.
	for people like Ethan.
	They want the entire conversation to be about radicalized right-wing psychopaths taking innocent lives, therefore ban all guns, while conveniently ignoring the vast majority of actual gun deaths in the United States of America.
	And the thing is, in this particular instance, it was a Mexican boy.
	Is he a radicalized right-winger?
	Well, they'll probably make out, in that case, it's just the patriarchy or it's toxic masculinity There's always a rearguard get-out-of-jail card if he's not white.
	I mean, that would be the trifecta.
	Oh, yeah, they can't...
	You can tell that they're thrilled whenever there's a massacre.
	Yeah, yeah.
	From a white shooter who's got a white nationalist manifesto.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Yeah, it's disgusting.
	But anyway, the NRA isn't the Republican Party anyway.
	I don't know why he says that.
	But anyway, Ethan is the real victim here.
	The victim of his bomb threats.
	All that being said, I've never received so many death threats and anti-Semitic S in my life.
	A lot of conservatives really, really, really hate Jews.
	What, Ethan?
	What are you talking about?
	I mean, A, I hear you're in favor of death threats.
	Like, you don't seem to be against it.
	I don't know whether they're saying they were going to bomb you.
	Yeah, it's a microcosm, though.
	It's a textbook kind of defense case from Ethan, which just plays out across any one of these little dramas, and that is, say something cretinous, then make out it was just a joke, and hey, it's your fault for not getting it.
	And now I'm getting racist or misogynistic abuse.
	I'm getting horrible threats against me, therefore I was right all along.
	It's pathetic.
	Yep.
	And as Jeremy underneath posts, those threats are just edgy jokes.
	Ethan, chill out.
	What's your argument, Ethan?
	That's your argument.
	You know, it's packaged directly back at you, jerk.
	And I think we'll find actually most of the anti-Semitic hate incidents doesn't come from the right.
	It comes from the kind of pro-Palestine loving left.
	It also probably comes from foreigners, to be honest.
	Yeah, well...
	A little curveball there.
	A lot of it...
	They did a thing about Sadiq Khan, didn't they?
	Whereas on his Instagram, he was complaining.
	It's like, well, most of them came from Argentina or something.
	What do you want us to do about that?
	Most of the abusive threats against England players were taking the knee.
	About 85-89% were from outside of Great Britain.
	Because people forget that the foreigners have access to the internet and they don't necessarily share our particular standards of decorum.
	But I just want to give a quick shout out to Lauren Chen here.
	She's done a good point.
	You know, you see death threats?
	Like someone calling for you to be bombed or something?
	Maybe it's just a joke.
	And it is.
	And then Ethan just carried on.
	He just carried on, making an absolute fool of himself on Twitter.
	Hey, Donald Trump Jr., remember when your dad inspired an insurrection that kills six people?
	That's not what happened.
	And Donald Trump Jr.
	is right to point out that you actually seem to have been inciting violence.
	You can sit there and maul about this all you like, but you know that that's the case.
	You did do this.
	This didn't happen.
	But you also know that you are not going to get the same treatment as leftists.
	And as you say, this underpins this entire story.
	And it always will.
	This was just an example of how a YouTuber called Arielle Scaracalla.
	She's an anti-woke feminist, basically.
	She happened to be a feminist and she was like, hang on a second, this is all crazy.
	She starts speaking about transgenderism and things like that and she gets her YouTube channel demonetized.
	Yeah, and again, you know, just backpacking there, the false equivalents and bringing in the Capitol Hill, you know, movement.
	So it's like, hey, hey, I feel really sad and I'm really upset.
	But anyway, Donald Trump.
	Yeah.
	It's just textbook.
	It's so ridiculous.
	But you're right.
	You can't critique gender theory or back up basic biology, what you see before your eyes.
	I know we're coming into that with Stella Creasy soon.
	Without being struck off, yet he can get away with what he wants.
	It's just ridiculous.
	And it took a coordinated effort from people on the internet to just get him a strike on his channel.
	YouTube would have been all over us.
	For one show.
	Just one show was taken down for a bit.
	The whole channel can be allowed to run.
	Exactly.
	They would have been all over us within seconds.
	Anyway, since we've been alluding to it, let's talk about Stella Creasy's fallacy, shall we?
	Because this is a position that the Labour Party is struggling with, and they don't have to be struggling with it, but they are.
	And this is just headline of the week.
	It's got to be, right?
	Stella Creasy, JK Rowling is wrong, women can have a penis.
	It's just utterly astonishing, but not remotely surprising for anybody who understands how Stella works and her inner circle of alpha feminists, such as our old friend Jess Phillips.
	That's right.
	I've seen Stella at very close quarters in committee room meetings.
	I used to go into Parliament before I got involved in politics myself when I was campaigning on issues affecting men and boys, you know, the white working class boys, the bottom of education have been for 20 plus years, but nothing's done about that, male suicide, all the rest of it.
	And I went to a meeting with Stella.
	And up close, I mean this close, I genuinely think she's thick as mints.
	I really, really do.
	We can prove that actually in this segment.
	Yeah, I just think she's thick as mints.
	So if you want to play it in, we'll just carry on talking about her.
	No, no, let's hear it.
	I've not met her, obviously.
	So she was campaigning for a long time about criminalising wolf whistling.
	Yes.
	And evidentially, it's next to impossible to prove who whistled at who, let alone should that be a policy issue.
	Then she wanted to criminalise misogyny.
	And again, how do you prove...
	And by the way, where that happened in my home city of Nottingham, misogyny included overhearing an offensive joke that wasn't even aimed at you.
	Now, Miss Creasy wanted that to be mandated into law.
	So we can already see she's coming in with a serious bedrock of cretinism.
	Yes.
	And then she goes into women can have a penis.
	And this is an issue which is totally devouring the Labour Party from within and from where I'm from in Nottingham.
	And all those red wall seats they will need to win in the next election.
	People are looking at this party and thinking, what planet are they on?
	Well, I mean, they're on the planet where they think that women can have penises.
	But it's utterly without evidence.
	It's madness.
	Here's the evidence before my eyes.
	I see a man, I see a woman, and her taking on J.K. Rowling.
	Now, let's go back to real death threats, the real kind of strikes.
	Never mind Ethan Klein.
	What's happened to J.K. Rowling at the bequest of comments like this is literally grotesque.
	I think some leftist is going to have a pop at J.K. Rowling at some point.
	I think we're talking about radicalizing people.
	Yeah.
	And we've seen it with anarchists.
	We've seen it with fascists.
	We've seen it with Islamists.
	I seriously think we could be looking at a wave of wokest terrorism.
	I think so.
	Wokest attacks.
	I think as they start losing ground, they'll become radical and violent.
	Because they lose at the ballot box, apart from Biden, who's been a complete and utter unmitigated disaster.
	And so they try and win elsewhere.
	But anyway, right, so let's get into this a bit, right?
	So she says, do I think some women are born with penises?
	Yes, she declares.
	But they're now women and I respect that.
	So what she's doing is saying I buy into the intersectional definition of woman, which is no definition at all.
	J.K. Rowling doesn't support self-identification, whereas I do.
	Of course, biological sex is real, it's just not the end of the conversation.
	I'm somebody who would say that trans woman is an adult human female.
	Trans woman is an adult human female.
	Trans woman, adult human female.
	Woman is an adult human female.
	A trans woman has a penis, so is not a female, is a male.
	Stella, you are actually as thick as mince, as Martin has accused.
	Let me read that again, because I am somebody who would say that a trans woman is an adult human female.
	A trans woman is born male.
	Mm-hmm.
	F-ing idiot.
	Like, I would say that you and I were adult human females.
	It's like, but they're not a female.
	You just made the distinction between biological sex and gender.
	Yeah, on the one hand, this is funny.
	As in, tragically funny.
	Genuinely stupid, though.
	Yeah, but on the other hand, I mean, I've lost count the amount of times I've been on...
	Television or radio debating people from the left and just saying, I remember, because I come from the political left, you know, I was Labour Party for many years before I saw the light.
	I grew out of socialism the same way I did acne or masturbating or cycling, you know.
	And a lot of people, however, don't.
	And to actually sort of look at them now and think, this is the way you've actually gone.
	But it's funny, but it's also dangerous, because I remember when the left used to protect women's rights, and they were absolutely, you know, stuck on that.
	And isn't it funny how back in the day, the men's rights activists were always at war with the feminists, and now we agree?
	Well, because we all agree that...
	Women can't have dicks.
	Well, that's it, isn't it?
	The conversation used to be in a, you know, it's fairly center-left.
	And so there's, you know, feminists and claiming the men were oppressing them.
	And now the conversation has shifted even further to the left.
	That even those people are like, well, okay, now if the argument is over the definition of woman, at least the men's rights activists and the feminists were like, well, yeah, okay, we agree on what a woman is.
	The question is, what's the appropriate role in society and things like that.
	But as a serious issue, I mean, there was a case over the weekend of a trans woman, a bloke, raping a woman in a prison.
	We'll get to that.
	It's all right.
	We'll get to that.
	But anyway, Stella continues saying, as an old-fashioned feminist, I'm still fighting the patriarchy.
	It's like, yeah, but you're lost.
	You don't know what a patriarch is.
	I mean, it could literally be someone with a vagina, as far as you're concerned.
	Yeah.
	Like, the patriarchy could be entirely made up of women, and you'd be like, I'm being oppressed by men.
	I mean, that's literally what she would say.
	She says, I'm not interested in fighting among ourselves.
	And one of the things that happens to trans women is they are oppressed by the patriarchy because it goes, oh, well, you're a woman, right?
	That's it.
	Let's pick you apart.
	So for me, it's right to stand with my trans sisters and say, let's fight these battles together.
	Yeah, I've worked out why so many leftists are vegans, because they live off word salads.
	Yes.
	It's absolute garbage.
	What does that even mean?
	If you walked into a pub in Mansfield, or Macclesfield, or Barnsley, and actually put that on a piece of paper...
	Hello, fellow Labour voters.
	...and I go, what the bloody hell does that mean?
	What are you on about?
	They would literally not understand what the hell she's talking about, and that's where we're at.
	Well, that's because she is actually deeply confused.
	I mean, she thinks that a trans woman is an adult human female.
	She clearly does not know what she's talking about.
	And the thing is, then she goes, she described it as bonkers, the need for doctors to decide whether someone is a woman or not, as the law currently requires, and adds...
	And that brings up all sorts of questions about what is a woman in terms of gender?
	What does it mean to live as a woman?
	I wear flat shoes.
	I've got terrible bunions.
	Is someone going to tell me that living as a woman means you have to wear high heels for two years?
	No.
	No.
	You have to be female.
	Yeah.
	And an adult.
	I think this conversation is working out well for people like us.
	Common sense, you know, those who are driven by data and what they see rather than what they feel, particularly around women's sport.
	I think there's been a huge overreach in terms of what's fair, in terms of allowing men with penai You know, to be able to strap it on, you know, Silence of the Lambs style, tuck it back and dive in and obliterate every woman in the pool is just unfair.
	I mean, you see the evidence.
	Have you considered maybe the misogynist perspective on this?
	Watching men destroy women's sports?
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's been a golden era of misogyny.
	Yeah.
	But it is true.
	I think there's something much more sinister going on here.
	And there is a real misogyny on the left.
	Why would you stick up for a man who called himself a woman over an actual woman?
	It literally beggars belief.
	Because you can't distinguish between the man and the woman.
	That's the only reason I can assume.
	It's madness, isn't it?
	I don't agree with the TERFs in almost every other respect other than on the definition of woman.
	It's just mad how that's made us bedfellows.
	But this is another statement, right?
	Do I want to live in a world where we are policing everyone who goes to a toilet?
	No.
	Do I recognise there are very real concerns about refugees and safe spaces?
	Yes.
	Do I think we've got it right with the Equalities Act?
	Yeah, more or less.
	No, not really.
	And there are loads of examples of how you actually have to police who goes into what bathroom.
	We covered the Loudoun County incident in Virginia.
	Did you see this one?
	This was just unbelievable to the point where we actually felt it wasn't appropriate to put on YouTube.
	So if you would like to know what happened in Loudoun County with a transgender woman in the girls' bathrooms, go and sign up and support us there because we just couldn't put it out on YouTube, frankly.
	But the school board covered it up.
	There's something really sinister about all of this.
	I was talking about this earlier, and not only is it misogynistic putting women with willies before actual women, but around schools and around safe spaces for girls we've seen in America, the saunas, women with beards and penises, blokes, terrifying young girls, and mandating this should be acceptable everywhere.
	I think We're going back to the 70s when the Labour Party were active and lowering the age of consent.
	And we're seeing all sorts of dodgy stuff around drag shows for kids, sex shows for kids in Bristol with male genitalia on display.
	What the hell's going on?
	There's a normalisation of the...
	Desecration of childhood around sex going on on the left, I think.
	Oh, I think you're completely correct.
	And the reason this was even something that could happen is because a male who has a penis was allowed access to women's bathrooms and raped two young girls.
	It's just like, this wouldn't have happened if that wasn't possible.
	And now if you remember, we were told over and over and over again, this would never happen.
	Oh no, this is just a conspiracy theory, this won't happen.
	And when it does happen, and it happens on hospital wards, and it happens in prisons, the evidence is there, and it's being actively suppressed.
	Because I think they know they've uncorked a monster here.
	Because, yeah, absolutely.
	They've released a monstrous genie from the bottle.
	And it's got to be put back in.
	There's just no getting around it.
	There has to be certain spaces that are sex-segregated for the safety of women.
	There's no getting around it.
	Isn't it funny how it's now an unbearable position to have to care about the safety of women and children?
	It's insane.
	But anyway, so, as you were saying, this is tearing up the Labour Party.
	And there's a bit of a civil war going on in the Labour Party over this.
	So Annalise Dodds, who's the Labour Party chairman, came out in opposition to Stella Creasy's absolute madness.
	Which, I mean, this has got to be the easiest win ever, right?
	It's like, Stella Creasy, women have penises.
	Annalise Dodds, no they don't.
	At the risk of sounding like a consistent misogynist, I've sat next to Annalise Dodds as well.
	I was on question time with her.
	The day of the political declaration came out in Brussels, I was sent back by Farage to face the music on TV. I sat next to her.
	She's also as thick as mince.
	I honestly think she is.
	And you can see it in someone's eyes.
	The eyes don't lie, right?
	The eyes don't lie.
	They can talk, they can read a piece of paper, but the eyes don't lie.
	They can memorise a statement.
	She's right on this.
	She is right on this.
	But then, we have such diametrically opposed opinions in the same party.
	It's a snake-eating its own taste.
	It's incredibly radical and untenable.
	When it resolves, one opinion has to be the opinion of the party.
	But anyway, she said, I don't agree with that.
	Biological females obviously aren't male.
	Of course, there are also trans women who have made the transition in the gender, but sex is not the same as gender.
	Yes, that's correct.
	Again, just low bar.
	She is correct there.
	Obviously, I have a huge amount of respect for my colleague Stella Creasy.
	Why?
	Yeah, why?
	We don't.
	She seems to be an idiot.
	People who have respect for Stella Creasy is very, very vanishing in the small club.
	But she says she has a different opinion.
	And this got her into a spat with...
	Internal labor organizations that claim to defend women, if there are such a thing.
	The Labor Women's Declaration say that Stella Creasy basically says, oh, well, I've sat down with these TERF organizations and I've had conversations with them.
	They're like, no, you haven't.
	Why are you lying about that?
	I think the Labour women's defenders within the party are a vanishingly small group.
	Yeah, they seem to be marginalised.
	Probably the same as those who defend Jewish people.
	And I think, here's where we're going with all this.
	They're ripping themselves apart.
	Years ago, people like you and I, We're talking about the curse and the cancer of identity politics, weren't we?
	And how it was just taking any rational conversation away.
	I almost miss the good old days of it being feminist against the rest of the world.
	I would long to go back to those days.
	Yeah, it was so innocent.
	It was.
	It was innocent.
	We weren't talking about this weird degeneracy.
	But basically, they raise a good point here.
	Can a white person self-identify as black?
	And it's like, well, in a different tweet, sorry, they say this.
	But that's a good question.
	Of course, Creasy can't answer that either.
	Because by the same logic, they would have to agree.
	It would have to be special pleading.
	Well, Sean King's been doing it for years.
	Well, exactly.
	He's got a great career at pretending to be black.
	This caused some real ruptures in the feminist movement, in something called the Hypatia Controversy, where in an academic paper someone was like, well, if that's acceptable, why isn't transracialism acceptable?
	And the argument was basically like, well, it's improper to ask.
	But what about if you're 25 and, say, you're 7 and want to go back to school?
	And, by the way, while I'm at it, can I use the girls' toilets?
	Which a bunch of them doubtless will.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Anyway, let's carry on.
	So Stella Creasy claims that they spoke four years ago, which, I mean, maybe they did, but four years is a long time in progressive politics.
	And these things keep changing, do they not?
	But anyway, so let's...
	There was a poll done, apparently by YouGov, we can go to the next one, John, that, sorry, the one after this, sorry, that suggested that 57% of women in this country think that women also have penises.
	Yeah, I mean, I've been saying since the days of Brexit that the polling industry, I think, has just completely gone through the looking glass.
	Who do they ask?
	Who are these people?
	No way on earth.
	Have you ever been polled?
	No.
	And here's another thing.
	I've never met anyone who's been polled.
	I know loads of people that are part of the YouGov database, but when you fill in your initial questionnaire and you tick the Brexit box or the immigration box or I don't believe women have dicks box, you tend not to ever get polled.
	I'm not saying they're rigged, but...
	So, this is a YouGov poll, and the problem with YouGov polling is that it's self-selective.
	You have to sign up for it, and then they get to curate, as you said.
	So, I don't really count this as being like a proper poll.
	A proper poll would be someone asking on the street, or phoning you up, random selection of the population, right?
	So, this actually has no particular use to us, because all it's saying is the people who self-select for filling out YouGov polls think that women can have penises.
	It's like, okay, but...
	A bunch of online leftists skewing the statistics.
	I mean, I just would love to ask the average person on the street in Yorkshire.
	Well, you would undeniably get the, well, you wouldn't even get a yes or a no.
	You'd get an expletive.
	What are you talking about?
	Stupid questions.
	Get lost.
	Because it's just, it's crazy the way you...
	Stop wasting my time.
	Precisely.
	But anyway, sorry, go on.
	No, you go ahead.
	Yeah, so let's ask Keir Starmer, leader of the Labour Party, where he falls on this question.
	And of course, Keir's been wrangling with this question for quite some time now, because it's a problem that can't resolve itself in a compromise.
	It has to be one side or the other side.
	And this was back in 2021, September, when Rosie Duffield had been getting in trouble with the trans rights activists in the Labour Party for saying maybe women don't have penises.
	And, I mean, don't get me wrong, Rosie Duffield, probably another one that's thick as mints, radical feminist who I don't agree with about any other subject apart from this one.
	I think Rosie actually is one of the better ones.
	And let's talk about the abuse that she's had for coming out with the common sense, biological, I see the evidence before my eyes, therefore I say what I see crowd, i.e.
	most of humanity.
	Yes, normal people.
	Yeah, she agrees with that and faced a huge, huge amount of abuse from people within her own political side.
	Yeah, she didn't go to this particular conference, I believe, because she was getting threats from trans rights activists.
	No one was kicked out of the party for this.
	No, they weren't.
	And the thing about all of this, right, I think if somebody is prepared to say they don't believe the evidence of their own eyes what's before them, Then they're lying.
	And if they're lying about that, I think they're lying about everything else.
	Or they're lying about things just to appear popular with the wokists and the liberals.
	Just to adhere to doctrine.
	Yeah.
	So if you believe in your feelings over facts, or if you believe in emotion over evidence, I don't think we can believe anything Keir Starmer says.
	I really think it's as simple as that.
	It is an emperor's new clothes moment.
	And until they kick this nonsense out, I think the Labour Party is in deep, deep doo-doo.
	Well, he's caught in the horns of a dilemma that he is not sufficient to resolve.
	He is deeply inadequate in this particular conversation.
	And you can tell by his response to it, right?
	He said that basically we should be tolerant and we should have a tolerant debate.
	But when asked whether it was transphobic to say that only women have a cervix, Again, say women don't have penises, is what's being said here.
	Keir said, it is something that shouldn't be said.
	It's not right.
	And so it's not right.
	He's not even appealing to a sort of biological reality.
	What he's appealing to there is propriety.
	Is it improper to say that women have cervixes?
	Yeah, and that's why we're seeing that wonderful sketch from Ricky Gervais at the moment, which they want to try and outlaw us all today.
	They're trying to outlaw him saying, good old-fashioned women are those with a womb.
	Not like the new-fashioned women are those with a dick and a beard.
	And even that comment is now being rendered as hate speech and can get you taken down.
	It's just ridiculous.
	It's beyond the pale, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	And Kira, of course, backed women-only spaces, but if you think that women can also be male, then what's a woman here?
	Women-only spaces in specific circumstances.
	Well, what are they?
	The law rightly assumes that the inclusion of trans women, except in specific circumstances, you know, those circumstances that would involve separating women from men.
	Yeah, and here's the dilemma.
	You either believe in something absolutely or not at all.
	Yeah.
	You can't have, you know, just the tip.
	That sort of thing.
	That's what they're saying here.
	Don't worry, it's not misogynistic.
	It's a woman's tip.
	We can have these spaces that we've decided are safe, but these ones might maybe not.
	But if they're maybe not safe, why are they?
	Exactly.
	What's the difference?
	Exactly.
	And so basically, again, this was in the heat of the Rosie Duffield controversy, because Keir was like, well, you know, I do want biological women to be protected, but I've also got this left-wing orthodoxy that I have to pay lip service to, or else I'm the bad guy too.
	Just for anyone who's wondering what the liberal Democrat position on this was...
	It's even worse.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Ed Davey said that trans women should be allowed in all public spaces because Boris Johnson is stirring up a culture war on the issues.
	Oh yeah, I bet Boris is loving talking about this.
	It's amazing how they make out that it's a culture war when this is a war they started.
	No one else abolished the definition of woman.
	Nobody from the political right or even the centre even thought this was an issue.
	The liberal left has made this entirely their movement, and then when you complain about it, you start a culture war.
	No, no, you started it, we're going to win it.
	Yeah, that's exactly the point.
	And there's just the example of this in a lady called Karen White, who was sent to prison for being a pedophile rapist and then started molesting people in the prison.
	If you scroll down a bit on this, John, so you can see the headline.
	She was molesting prison guards.
	The female prison guards who were imprisoning the women were being molested by this transgender woman with a penis.
	Yeah, and like I said, there have been similar cases of sex offences on hospital wards, and that was completely jumped on and silenced by the health trust in question.
	Just like in Loudoun County.
	Yeah, and they just don't want it to be talked about, because as I said before, if the nightmare that was predicted by your opponents comes to pass, you have to take ownership of the fact you made that decision.
	Yes, yes, exactly.
	And they can't, because then they'll realise the entire concept is flawed.
	Yes.
	And that's exactly right.
	The entire thing is just indefensible at its roots.
	In fact, we'll talk about that in a minute.
	But Karen White here was misogynistically sent to a notorious prison for men, the HMP Wakefield, after repeatedly molesting female prison guards.
	So, wow, what's going on here?
	I mean, this is a convicted paedophile that the left are currently standing in solidarity with, but that wouldn't be the Yeah, yeah.
	Anyway, so the point is, none of them can define what a woman is now.
	As The Times recently published this article going, well hang on a second, why is it that the Labour Party can't even define what a woman is?
	Yeah.
	Remember, what was the Liberal Democrat leader's name?
	Ed Davey?
	No, the other one, the one before.
	The woman.
	Oh god, I should know.
	Yeah, I know.
	Joe Swinson.
	Yeah.
	I don't know why that evaporates.
	She's going to be your next prime minister, they told us in 2019.
	But did you see her on talk radio melting down about trying to define a woman?
	20 minutes meltdown where she's obliterating herself.
	Well, this is now The Times.
	This is now, you know, all of our major political parties.
	We've got to sit there and go, well, what's a woman then?
	They should almost ask it to every member of parliament.
	And while we're at it, everyone in the police force, everyone in any public service, and if you can't get what it is, get out the job.
	I wrote an article about this back in 2020, and it's just ageing like fine wine at this point.
	Because I've had to spend a lot of time studying all this.
	And so I just wrote this, the woman, the case gates, the intersection definition, all of the links that are relevant will be in the description of this, by the way, so if you want to go and read them.
	And so the question is, okay, what are their definitions?
	And they don't seem to have one.
	Like, one definition you'll hear, and you've doubtless heard this, a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman.
	No, because that means I can decide that I'm a cat, or a black person, or I'm 6'7", or I'm 12.
	No, that's nonsense.
	Adult, human, female.
	The end.
	Well, exactly.
	That's nonsense, because the very nature of what it is to have a word, usually we use words as a descriptive representation of reality.
	And if it's just, well, I can just do whatever I feel like, well, then we're not trying to describe reality with our own language.
	So what was the point of it?
	How are lawmakers, and this is the peril we're running into now manifesting itself as reality, how are lawmakers meant to legislate for what people decide they are today or tomorrow or next week or next month?
	It's crazy!
	You can just identify your way out of the law.
	That's the way.
	If you're going to go and play football in Qatar this summer, don't identify as gay!
	Because you might get thrown off a building, I don't know!
	Don't identify as a woman, so you don't have to wear a burqa, you know?
	But there's also a grammatical problem with this.
	A definition can't be self-referential, because otherwise it's an unfinished sentence that just recurs often to infinity.
	And then the next one was the UN Women's.
	If you can scroll down on this, John, so we can get the UN Women's definition, which was amazing.
	Women are multifaceted, intergenerational, international.
	They are limitless and formless.
	That describes nothing.
	Yeah, I remember when that tweet came out.
	I remember this article that you wrote as well.
	It was bang on the money, you know, many ways, like, years ahead of the curve.
	And UN women saying it can basically mean whatever you want.
	Limitless and formless.
	It's like, right, so we're not...
	Because this is the thing, again, with every definition, definitions are necessarily exclusive.
	Yeah.
	They specifically exclude things that are not contained within the definition.
	And if you have a definition this broad that includes literally everything, then it's no definition at all.
	And there are specific parts of legislation, like in the UK, the Equality Act 2010, which has a lot of flaws.
	Nevertheless, it sets out the protection of women in certain spaces.
	What the UN women tweet here, and every Labour politician and the Liberal Party, the Democrat Party now, are basically doing away with that.
	Yes.
	You're doing away with the protection of an interest group you stood for for decades ago.
	Overnight?
	To what end?
	Is this the secret long game of the misogyny lobby?
	I think it is.
	So look, we can't get rid of women's rights.
	Well, that's a problem.
	We can't oppress women without getting rid of the rights.
	Actually, what if we get rid of the women themselves?
	Right, and when you see these imbeciles dressed as ninjas, trying to protect, trying to stop people going to a statue.
	I notice they're all men as well.
	Yeah, they are.
	Beating women.
	Heaven knows what they've got inside their ninja garments.
	Well, I'm going to be a bigot about it and assume you're all male.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	But, yeah, it's a long game from the misogynists there.
	Congratulations, lads.
	And who'd have thought that we are speaking now, you and I? I know.
	In 2013, we were the antichrist of the feminist movement.
	Here we are now saying, let's protect women and girls.
	Me and you!
	Yeah, I know, of all the people.
	Maybe we shouldn't allow black-clad men to beat up women in the street.
	Good idea.
	What a bunch of misogynists we've always been.
	Anyway, it's just funny how things go, isn't it?
	It really is.
	Anyway, let's go on to the next one.
	So, immigration in the United Kingdom has not only proceeded at full bore since Tony Blair decided to open the borders, it has increased.
	The Conservative Party is increasing immigration into this country, and I have no idea why they're doing this to us.
	Why do you think they're doing this?
	Because they can't control the numbers.
	When we go back, so like I said, I'm from a traditional Labour background, and when we queued up to vote for Tony Blair in 97, we did.
	We unleashed this demon of open borders, particularly when the A8 countries joined and Blair just ushered these people in, and we spoke about wage suppression, about housing shortages, about doctors' appointments, schools, all those things.
	This is pre-Brexit.
	Mm.
	By the way, Blair was the original Brexiteer.
	Think about it.
	He caused this nightmare, which then precipitated us leaving the European Union.
	So that's a nice one for him to sleep about at night.
	But they can't control the borders, despite the fact that that's been the vote every single time since 2015, since Blair got kicked out.
	But what is actually preventing them from...
	Sorry, yeah, but what's actually preventing them from controlling the border?
	I mean, when a foreigner says, well, can I come and live in your country, you just say, no, sorry, we're full.
	Yeah, so we've talked for many years about the Australian-style points-based system.
	The trouble is that's what they have.
	When you look at these numbers in significant detail, it's still from Commonwealth partners such as India, who are a favoured trading partner.
	There's all sorts of deals we want with India, the world's fastest-growing economy, so we can't really stop them.
	But then the illegals we can't stop across the channel because we're unable to intercept India.
	Lefty human rights lawyers get involved.
	Yeah, and now Border Force is basically a taxi service.
	We're making a documentary at Reclaim about this.
	In fact, we're going up to Linton-on-Ouse this week because this is an example of a middle-class, liberal, open borders, refugees-welcome mindset that ends up being a problem for the working classes and those outside metropolitan areas.
	And so they're dumped into RF bases in places like Linton-on-Ouse.
	1,500 go in there.
	Yeah, there was a small town where there's a town of 700 people and they didn't turn up with 1,500 migrants.
	Why would you do that?
	They're going to treble the population of one village by adding 1,500 single men, not a single woman or a child.
	Awful.
	And the residents are being called racist, they're being demonised.
	Of course, that's a default fallback position.
	But how would someone like Ed Davey feel if 1,500 geezers got dumped next to him?
	Oh, I'm sure it would be not a problem for him because they wouldn't be able to afford the property prices.
	Well, the Liberal Democrats are famous NIMBYs, but NIMBY means Sodom off to Yorkshire or Sodom off to Stoke.
	Not in my nice Surrey estate, thank you very much.
	You poor Northerners can deal with it.
	Yeah.
	And that's their attitude.
	It's very contemptuous.
	Part of the problem, I mentioned Brexit again, was the European Court of Human Rights was a key part of Europe we never disengage from.
	So we're still talking about untethering from laws this week, about pounds and ounces, and the ability to deport isn't there.
	Not in significant numbers.
	And so we have a tiny amount being returned.
	They're against Rwanda.
	They're against places like Lintar News because they want to be integrated into cities, just not cities where Democrats or Labour Party people live or vote.
	It's mad, isn't it?
	But anyway, before we go on, I'd just like to promote a hang-up we have on Lotases.com that I think is genuinely just eye-opening because...
	Do you mind if I ask how old you are, Martin?
	I'm 52 next month.
	Yeah, I'm 42.
	Now, when we were lads, this was a very different country, wasn't it?
	Yeah.
	It's amazing how we're seeing this huge kind of triggering of liberals and leftists about union flags across Britain, especially in London Regent Street at the moment.
	And they're comparing...
	How dare you?
	It's fascism.
	Calling it fascist.
	I went to the Imperial War Museum last week.
	My sister was over from Texas.
	Mm-hmm.
	And seeing footage of liberated concentration camps where the prisoners, the inmates, were hugging and kissing the Allied soldiers, including Brits, who kind of released them, who liberated them.
	It's the starkest reminder that we are the anti-fascists.
	Yes.
	A proud history of being anti-fascists.
	Yes.
	Including those of us whose relatives fought and died in the wars.
	Yeah.
	And we are not a fascist nation.
	We're a welcome, tolerant nation, but perhaps the pendulum's sung too far.
	Well, you can tell because things have just changed so drastically.
	This is us going through footage of what Britain was like 100 years ago, 50 years ago, 20 years ago, and the diversification of Britain has happened unbelievably quickly.
	Yeah, and that's a really, really key point, because when the Brexit referendum was being held, and when those of us who actually got outside the M25, I was on Sky News often, I was on LBC often, one of the only Brexiteers in the village, going back to real places and talking to real people, It was the pace of change and the scale of change.
	It was not an anti-immigrant movement whatsoever.
	It was like, this is happening really quick and it's happening where I live and it's really fast.
	And I don't recognize my community anymore.
	I can't get school places.
	These small things that all add up.
	This feeling of alienation.
	Right.
	And you're English are having in their own country.
	And it happened extensively in London.
	And so we saw the Cockneys moving out to Essex.
	So London is now...
	The Cockneys basically don't exist anymore.
	Yeah, well, they're a donut around places like Romford and they've just moved out or gone to the end of the line onto the coast.
	But, you know, that's what happened.
	As I understand it, they're losing their identity.
	Yeah.
	And it's something you won't hear liberals crying about too often.
	No, it's tragic.
	But anyway, so if you want to support us, you can go and watch that on lucid.com.
	That's great.
	Yeah.
	Honestly, you feel nostalgic for a country that doesn't even exist anymore.
	It's just normal people, normal English people in English cities.
	And you think, well, it's so different.
	And even when we come together around those nostalgic moments of looking back and celebrating our culture, like the Platinum Jubilee, it's desecrated.
	Yeah, it's got to be...
	And it's kind of, you know, it's dumped upon.
	Yeah.
	Something to be ashamed of.
	No, no, that's exactly right.
	It's the attitude.
	And specifically English.
	You don't get this with the Welsh and the Scots.
	They've got their proud nationalist movements.
	But it's only in England where you look at it and go, oh, England used to be a beautiful place.
	And it's like, no, that's disgusting.
	It's like, no, Ben, I'm not happy with this.
	Anyway, let's get into this segment, because let's talk about the statistics, because this is just mad.
	So these are the statistics that were published in 2021 of the immigration into England, and it is majority in England in 2020.
	And it's actually mad, like 125,000 work-related visas, as if we need more people to work.
	Yeah, I mean, one of the consequences of the pandemic is we saw a lot of people moving back to their own countries.
	Why would you not?
	During times of economic hardship, it seems like common sense.
	And now we have a shortage.
	And so that's...
	Hang on a second.
	Do we have a shortage?
	Or is the labour market changing to favour the worker rather than the employer?
	It's funny, it's a good point, because we Brexiteers always said the answer to this wasn't to import more cheaper foreign labour, but how about providing a good working wage for people who live in Britain?
	And that's an old-fashioned socialist position.
	That's a left-wing position.
	Jeremy Corbyn would have said that 30 years ago.
	But now you're not allowed to do that.
	The answer is open borders and endless cheap labour.
	And that's what this is.
	Business is addicted to it.
	Business donates to political parties.
	The left wants more people coming in because they're more likely to vote labour.
	It's the only way of changing the demographic voting base they've got hope of.
	Same as, by the way, in Biden's America.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Enough people come in that kind of agree with you.
	In the end, you'll overturn Canada.
	If you pander to them enough, they'll vote for you because the Tories are saying we're not going to pander to you.
	You're absolutely right.
	But this is one of the things that's just, as John points out, it worked for the truckers as well, that their wages increased as soon as things changed during the pandemic.
	It's supply and demand.
	It's a basic law of economics.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But anyway, we can go through all these stats, but basically, in summary, during the lockdowns, during the pandemic, there were 776,000 people, foreigners, who were allowed to come here and live in the UK. During the pandemic?
	During the pandemic.
	Isn't that astonishing?
	I mean, why did they want to?
	We weren't allowed to go to the pub, but three quarters of a million foreigners, in you come, lads.
	Yep.
	And so what were the statistics for 2021, the year after?
	Last year.
	Do you think they're better or worse?
	It broke the million more, didn't it?
	It did.
	Yeah.
	Really, really bad.
	If we can go to the next one, again, you wouldn't believe that England is a small and ancient island.
	Yeah.
	You would believe that this is like the American frontier or something?
	And it also kind of completely annihilates the trope that we are a racist, unwelcoming, unforgiving country.
	Gotcha.
	But, I mean, A, you know, that's an allegation that's leveled by the left, and I don't care about the left's opinion.
	So I'm not even interested in rebutting that.
	I don't care what they think.
	But B, it's obviously not true.
	You can't have literally millions and millions and millions of people coming in the last 20 years and be like, oh yeah, look at them, they're just a bunch of racists.
	Like, why are they allowing it?
	Yeah, I mean, the funny thing is, even though the liberal left weaponized, say, the channel crossings on illegal craft, which is underpinned by human trafficking, which costs thousands of pounds and is a deadly trade...
	And it's just illegal?
	Yeah.
	Come legally, like a million other people do, for Christ's sake.
	And it precipitates death in the channel.
	Presumably they're not in favor of that.
	It's proof...
	That people are prepared to risk everything to get to England.
	And you're right in point out, they don't go on often to Scotland or Wales, which are meant to be inclusive and tolerant and welcoming.
	Very progressive.
	They stay in racist, nationalist, small, little England, England.
	It is.
	It's remarkable, isn't it?
	And it's like, well, there must be something about the way we do things that appeals to you.
	So how about we don't change it?
	And if this means having our opinions that maybe the foreigners can just stuff it, then that's why you came, I assume.
	But anyway, so this is Migration Watch doing the Lord's work here.
	So they, in fact, link to the study underneath, the statistics the government have released.
	But what's very interesting is they say, one example is the huge increase in the past year in the tripling of study dependence, which is family members accompanying and joining students.
	Because, I mean, the year before, right?
	So the 232,000 people were allowed to move here to be students.
	Okay, well, you can argue that there's a benefit to that.
	I mean, I don't really know what it is, frankly.
	But let's assume there is some sort of benefit for that.
	But why do the families have to come?
	Well, this has been going on for years.
	I remember, I used to live in East London, and there was an English language school.
	And I never saw a single person go in and out of the English language school.
	Because they enrolled onto a course, and then overstay on visas.
	And while they're at it, get their families in.
	And they never then end up leaving.
	So student visas are a really over-abused method of entry, and actually it's a much bigger problem than dinghies across the channel.
	And this is the battle being fought and lost on many fronts.
	I mean, what was it, something like 40,000 had come across the channel on dinghies, which, don't go wrong, is a large number.
	But if you've got 230,000 in 2020, well, in 2021, if you want to go to the next one, just to give you the numbers, 466,000 student visas.
	Yeah, it's astonishing.
	Double.
	And they're happy to take them in because initially, at least, they're fee-paying.
	So they're paying a lot of money for the privilege of being in.
	But of course, that's more of the entry token.
	And then they just don't go back.
	And, you know, it's a loophole that's there.
	And I often say this.
	If you were living in a country far less well-endowed economically in terms of opportunity than the UK, you'd do the same.
	Oh, I don't blame any of the immigrants.
	It's our government and our fault for just being so idiotic.
	Yeah, sure, why not?
	You speak to the average immigrant, they're a perfectly nice person.
	It's just, what are you doing here?
	You know, you're just here because essentially we're going to allow it.
	I mean, for example, in 2020, there were 154,000 visas granted for family reasons.
	In 2021, 301,000.
	So they doubled the number of student and family visas.
	The Conservatives are doing this.
	They are, and it's happening on their watch, and that is why it's going to be a huge, huge headache for them.
	And, you know, the Westminster naval gazers are obsessing about champagne and cake and parties, but the real issues, well, it's going to be cost of living, because they've absolutely lost their minds on green taxes and hammering the working classes, but immigration is not going to go away.
	I think it's going to severely bite the Tories on the bum.
	Having said that, The Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats want even more of this.
	Of course they do.
	So in total, this was 1,166,000 people compared to the 776,000 people.
	Literally a 50% increase.
	This is madness and this is unstable.
	This can't go on forever.
	It's like they want England to be like Megacity 1 where it's just all built up over...
	Yeah, and it has real-world consequences.
	When you add all this up and put it into easy, digestible terms, it's basically like almost two Birminghams.
	Yeah.
	It's a significant...
	In two years.
	Yeah, every year it's a Birmingham.
	It's a Birmingham.
	Well, it's almost two Birminghams every year.
	And if that's happening...
	Two Manchesters, one Birmingham.
	My bad.
	The fact of the matter is, if that level is happening every year, it absolutely stands to reason there'll be downward pressure on wages, on housing, on public services, on school places.
	It's illogical to assume that won't happen.
	Yeah, and it's impossible that it couldn't happen.
	Like, people are like, oh, the house price is so high.
	Well, maybe if millions of people weren't coming to live here, then they'd be a bit lower.
	You know, oh, it's hard finding school places.
	Well, maybe if millions of foreigners weren't bringing their children to school here, it'd be a bit easier.
	It's hard to find a job.
	It's one of the huge, and I completely empathise with one of the pains of the younger generation, is they often lament the fact they won't be able to afford to buy a house.
	They can't get on the property ladder.
	At the same time, They absolutely support an open borders policy that places a huge amount of pressure on a finite resource, i.e.
	housing.
	So, make your mind up.
	And you can see the spike of this as well.
	If you go to the next one, John, you can just see it on a graph, because it's all well and good saying, oh, these abstract numbers.
	If you go to the next one, just look at that graph.
	That's the Conservatives, and that's in 2020.
	Like, they have allowed this.
	Normally, it was half that.
	I think Sam's comment, which we won't repeat, sums it rather well.
	Well, I mean, I think that Lord Miles Ridledge, the adventurer, summarises how we all feel about this.
	If we can go to the next one, John?
	Well, I mean, if we had full use of the law, and certainly in terms of, you know, I don't buy the fact.
	Look, do we think that it's our responsibility as the British government Population to support anybody in the world who wants to come to our country for a better lifestyle.
	I mean, the left certainly does.
	If you do, then let's just stop passports, let's stop borders, and let's just stop all of it.
	If you do agree, then it's just a question of numbers and detail.
	And we should all agree that controlling numbers is very important, and we should all agree.
	And if you don't agree with that, you don't agree with the vast majority of the electorates, by the way, and if you don't agree that deportation is one of the tools at your disposal, Then just throw the balls open and let anybody on the planet come in.
	But why should the English be dispossessed of their ancient homeland?
	This is the question that is never asked.
	It's like, why should the English be made to feel like aliens in their own land?
	Well, because I think it's an historical debt of guilt and shame that the left and the liberals have for all the things they only focus on, the bad bits, like slavery, never mind the fact we almost bankrupted the country ending slavery.
	Forget about that bit.
	We paid that off in 2014.
	You're welcome, Will.
	Yeah, never mind the fact we ended fascism.
	Let's look at the fact that we fly Union Jacks on Regent Street.
	And it's the whole point of it's shame, it's guilt, but it's one-way traffic.
	Nobody says, China, take loads of people from Poland.
	Because they wouldn't do it.
	Because they wouldn't want to go there.
	But not only that, the Chinese were like, no.
	I said, get lost.
	Same as Japan.
	We're not going to flood our country with immigrants because we wouldn't like it.
	It's like, yeah, but you can with yours.
	Anyway, so let's talk about what Brexit was about then.
	Because as Lord Ashcroft did his polling of something like 13,000 people, regaining control of immigration and borders was the second most important issue for Leave voters consistently in these polls.
	Now, I found that fascinating because it seems that immigration is actually a dead subject at the moment.
	No, it's that way because the media, which specifically and ostensibly voted, remained.
	And I say that from my own experience of being a media commentator throughout the entire Brexit period.
	When I was going back to places like Nottinghamshire and then going back to London and saying, you guys got this dead wrong.
	UKIP are taking over the coal belts.
	These people aren't right-wing, they're working class.
	They just don't want this to go on anymore.
	And we were denied a conversation about this all along.
	If we've been allowed a conversation about immigration and multiculturalism In the 90s onwards, we might never have had the Brexit referendum.
	Yeah.
	So really, you know, the Liberal left made their bed and now they're lying in it and that's why they're trying to deny it.
	The facts and the figures stack up.
	It's a huge issue and it will continue to be a huge issue in the next general election.
	You say that, right?
	But there's polling that indicates it's not.
	So if we can go to the next one, as this chap here, John Byrne Murdoch, he's been digging into this, and it's actually quite fascinating.
	Because if you scroll down, John, to the first graph, You can see here, right, that despite the blue line is immigration into Britain, as you can see, it's just going up under the Conservatives for some reason, but concern about immigration has gone down.
	The percentage of Britain saying that immigration is one of the most important issues facing the UK is less than 10% now.
	I wonder who they sampled and where is that from?
	I mean, that is certainly not what you hear in places like Barnsley or Doncaster or Sheffield.
	It's not what you hear in Nottingham, in Derby, Mansfield.
	It's not what you hear anywhere in the Red Belt that I go to.
	So who did they poll?
	I don't believe anything the FT says on this.
	They are the most Romaniac globalist newspaper on the planet, according to the Washington Post.
	Well, the view that he has is the best explanation of the British views on immigration have always been far more than a simple numbers game.
	Research by the think tank British Future has consistently found much stronger public support for an immigration policy that prioritizes who is allowed in, regardless of the impact on overall numbers, than one that deters all comers.
	It's not my experience talking to these regular people.
	Yeah, and I'm pretty sure if we looked into who the British future are and who funds them and who sits on the boards, I think we could destroy this poll within five minutes.
	But if you can scroll down to the next one, John, and this is fascinating.
	I wonder, this is fascinating.
	Let's take a few minutes to look at this, right?
	Because this seems to be the result of massive amounts of propaganda.
	So this is the view that British people have on immigration and immigrants themselves, right?
	And so this is incredible, right?
	So 10 years ago, 60% of Britons viewed, say, availability of housing, like the immigrants impacting how easy it is to get housing, and now that's gone to 40%.
	So 20% of people are like, oh no, more immigrants means easier housing.
	Yeah, I mean, it just defies the evidence before your eyes.
	Availability of jobs, you know, school places.
	And the NHS one was absolutely one of the doctrines of lockdown, was that, you know, we're dependent on foreign workers to keep us alive, and that was parroted for two years.
	So that's a pretty persuasive argument in the end.
	And you can see the people think that the NHS couldn't survive without immigrants.
	So the NHS has been with us since, what, the 40s?
	Yes.
	Early 50s?
	Did pretty well for several decades, didn't it?
	How did it survive without immigration beforehand?
	And you can see it's just people have been propagandised.
	I mean, people think that it means it lowers the level of crime and disorder.
	Yeah, well, again, the evidence doesn't sort of back that up.
	Why are the English so violent and criminal?
	And why is it that the immigrants make us less violent and less criminal?
	Yeah, I mean, again, this is actually a survey about media impact on thought patterns as opposed to reality.
	And there's a lot of that going on, and there has been since the beginning of the Brexit period.
	John's just looked up an apparently British future run by a leftist activist called Sunder Katwala.
	I know Sunder very well.
	He's one of my greatest trolls.
	There he is!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, it all adds up.
	These people are total leftists.
	They are funded by Labour Party backers.
	Former General Secretary of the Fabian Society.
	That's fascinating.
	Always follow the money.
	Always follow who they are and you expose them.
	These people exactly and implicitly have the agenda I spoke about earlier.
	They want to change the electoral base.
	They want to fill Britain with people who agree with them.
	They want to welcome them here.
	They want to offer them free stuff.
	And then in return for that, give us your vote.
	And in a generation's time, we will overturn the Conservative Party, perhaps for rather by changing the demographic makeup of the United Kingdom.
	That's our agenda.
	Yep.
	It's the same as the Democrats and the Republicans in America.
	It's exactly the same.
	And they are explicit about saying it as well.
	Anyway, if we go to the next one, basically, if you go to the next link, John, he's got more graphs that he didn't include in the link.
	But basically, as I was saying, people now think that immigration into Britain means they will get jobs.
	Yeah, well...
	It's mad.
	It's just mad.
	I just don't see why they think that.
	I mean, go into your local Polish shop.
	Go into your local foreign-run shop.
	How many English people do you see working in there?
	Yeah.
	None.
	Outside here, there's a very busy Polish supermarket.
	Zero English people working in there.
	Exactly.
	It's insane that people have been propagandized to believe all of this.
	Anyway, Dominic Cummings had some thoughts about this.
	He was basically like, look, the whole point of this...
	We'll go back to the previous one, actually.
	So this is people who wish immigration to be reduced or increased.
	So you can see that about 48% of people, 49% of people still want immigration to be reduced, either a little or a lot.
	About 20% of, I think it's 30% of people want it to remain the same for some reason.
	And the number of people who want it increased has been increased.
	And it's obviously going to be connected to the concern about the NHS not being able to survive without immigrants and things like this.
	And the immigrants making housing changes.
	Yeah, you know, there was another report came out by a think tank called CLASS last week, and it basically came up with the conclusion that people don't really care about the culture war, they care about fairness, and they are funded by the National Education Union.
	By ASLEF, by the major unions.
	And when you look into their methodology, because I'm quite geeky, I love data.
	They sampled people who were 70% likely to have already voted Labour.
	They even admitted that in their appendix.
	Only 10% of the voice had disagreed.
	This is the product of a biased sample.
	I think we could eviscerate this survey.
	And I really like pulling these things apart.
	I don't believe this reflects British...
	Banning was all reality whatsoever.
	I'm sorry I just don't.
	I've yet to speak to an English person who isn't a self-avowed radical leftist who doesn't want immigration reduced.
	People who are just non-political.
	What absolutely sticks in my crawl, Cole, is that I go on television time after time after time Data like this is put in front of me, and the methodology is never cross-examined.
	They never say, well, who did you ask?
	Where do they live?
	What's their ethnic makeup?
	What's their voting propensity?
	It's never cross-examined in a way that a tweet from you would be pulled apart in every kind of detail.
	They get away with data whitewashers all the time.
	But even then, even when they're doing that, Still, the plurality here is 48% of people want it reduced and something like 20% of people want it increased.
	Ignore the people who think, oh, it should remain the same.
	People with no particular input.
	Twice as many people think it should be reduced or should be increased.
	Let's do that.
	And the class report concluded that the left is losing the culture wall and they need a different message.
	And that's with their own biased sample.
	So that tells you a lot.
	So Dominic Cummings thinks that the immigration thing was a containment mechanism for the Tories, basically.
	Leave was turbocharging Farage an anti-immigrant opinion, and so they basically took ownership of it.
	Farage gets sidelined.
	I mean, I'm glad he's on GB News, because for a while it was like, well, what's his role?
	But Farage gets sidelined, the Tories take over, and yet this still becomes a massive problem without it becoming an extremist problem.
	It's like, okay, well, they didn't fix it, basically.
	Yeah, speaking as somebody who went to Brussels as an MEP, you know, Nigel Floyd, my boss, he absolutely was kind of taking it.
	So everything that he stood for for all those years was kind of taken in by the Conservatives.
	They sold us a fake Brexit.
	They parroted his line.
	They got us in.
	And look what's happened.
	Taking control of immigration apparently means doubling immigration.
	Yeah, it's got significantly worse on their watch.
	And I'm afraid the data is irrefutable, and I believe the actual facts of arrivals, rather than a leftist poll that proves the opposite.
	And the thing is, it's not just the data.
	Like, you can walk down the street and just see that more than half of the people in the street and the high street in Swindle will be foreign.
	Like, where the hell is...
	Why are you here?
	Like, I walked past three separate groups of North African men speaking French the other day, and it's like...
	Okay, right.
	I can understand you're a few North African lads.
	You want to go on an adventure somewhere.
	There's a Western European country who's going to give you some money just to hang out in the street.
	Okay, but why did you end up in Swindon?
	Why didn't you get to the French equivalent of Swindon?
	Well, so you may well have found...
	Under the relocation process that happens within Britain, they are being dumped on towns like Swindon, because there's quite a lot of empty hotel room, there's empty accommodation, and this is what I was saying about earlier.
	We're in the process at the moment of doing an FOI on this.
	So where do these people end up?
	And we all know the answer.
	It's on disadvantaged towns that are already under huge economic pressure and downward pressure in terms of everything we know about.
	And it's like, by the way, have all of these lads as well.
	And it's an unfair burden that's placed on some of the most disadvantaged already communities.
	And that's the burning injustice.
	It's like, like I said, they don't go and live next door to James O'Brien or Ed Davey or Gary Lineker.
	Not their problem.
	They're sent to places like Swindon.
	But the thing that annoys me is it's liquidating the culture.
	Like, I've got friends who I'll, you know, pass on the street and they'll be like, man, I just feel like an alien in my own land.
	I've lived here my whole life and I feel like I've never been here before.
	And that's a contentious thing to say, but it's not, because a lot of people say it.
	It's true.
	And this is what we heard all over the place, from the outskirts of London to all of the coal belts, everywhere, the West Midlands, across Britain, Yorkshire, Humber side, they were saying the same thing.
	And this conversation happened in secret, or if it happened in public, they were shamed, they were silenced, they were cancelled, they were called racist, and then Brexiteers waited, and they waited, and they waited, and they voted.
	And then when they...
	And the Tories are betraying it.
	They've completely betrayed Brexit.
	They've completely betrayed the notion of take-back control of borders.
	Take-back control was Cummings' soundbite.
	It's a very, very effective three-word soundbite.
	And the idea is to control it, to limit.
	To limit.
	That's the point of having control.
	Yeah, not stop.
	Limit.
	Or even if it is, you know, that's a discussion for later.
	Not just have it increased beyond what Tony Blair could have ever dreamed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Anyway, so we're going to see the impact of all of this in the next census.
	The 2021 census, we're currently waiting for it.
	Got any predictions for the 2021 census, Martin?
	Well, one question that's on there, I think everyone's really interested to find out, is about the transgender issue.
	So we are asking on this census, you know, how do you identify as gender?
	How many transgender people are there?
	Because to be honest, the only data we really have at the moment is stone walls.
	And I don't believe a single thing stone walls say.
	They're less believable than the leftist pole we just saw.
	So what's the true nature of the issue?
	But they want to include self-identification.
	Well, back to the earlier story.
	It's not, oh, have you actually been through reassignment surgery?
	No, no, I just feel like I'm a woman or a man.
	So that's going to be a really big talking point.
	And then I think the maker, what we're seeing now is huge population change from within.
	And historically, this has always been the case.
	Like, when the Irish or the Italians or whoever went to New York, they have loads of kids.
	Of course they do.
	They want to lay foundations in a new country.
	We will certainly see, I think...
	The indigenous white British demographic will be having replacement or below replacement rates of birth and we will see corresponding upswings in immigrant populations and it all paints for a Britain that's going to be changed beyond recognition within the next 10-15 years.
	I think it's already happened.
	If you actually look at, for example, in 2018, Birmingham Council put out their data on primary schools, and it was one-third of the children in Birmingham were English.
	It's like, well then, that's the population of English people in Birmingham.
	Again, just another statement of truth, the most popular boy's name in London now is Mohammed.
	And that's not racist to say, it's just a statement of fact.
	And so we will see a huge change, and we will see a continuing debate around people like you, around people like me, around the vast majority of British populists who raise their voice about this being demonised and called racist.
	Yeah, at the end of the day, the facts are as the facts are.
	I suspect that London will be about a third English as well.
	Birmingham will be probably a bit less than a third English.
	So the two largest cities in England, and our overwhelmingly majority non-English, how far does this go?
	Like, at what point do we say, look, actually, it's not right that England is populated by non-English people?
	Is that wrong to say?
	Well, it's not wrong to say, but it's very unpopular to say.
	It won't get you any media time.
	No, no.
	You know, I mean, when I went to Brussels, and I've been on Sky News for about 13 years as a pundit, but when I came back...
	I didn't get counsel.
	I just wasn't booked again.
	Because they were proven wrong.
	They didn't want people like me on the telly.
	Don't care.
	That's up to them who they book.
	But the fact of the matter is, if you hold those views, you tend to get painted as an extremist, as a radical, and you don't get mainstream media appearance time, which is why it's dominated by these nonsensical polls that just don't add up.
	But it's...
	Undeniable at this point, right?
	So, I mean, this census data will come out fully in 2023.
	Yeah.
	Next year, so two years after it.
	It really makes you wonder why the Conservatives are taking so long about this.
	Why are they dragging their feet on this?
	They've probably seen the early indicator data.
	Because there's going to be a bloodbath.
	Yeah.
	That's why.
	It's going to be an absolute bloody bloodbath.
	They want to try and push it beyond the next general election, I would say.
	And smart money on that is autumn 2023.
	It's about all this bluster.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They want an early one.
	They all want this to go away until after the election.
	Yeah.
	And the reason is, I wrote an article because I went through the census data for the past 50, 60 years.
	Right.
	Going back to 1961, and the census data just proves that Britain is not a nation of immigrants.
	You've noticed how they tried to adopt the American narrative.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's like, oh, we're a nation of immigrants.
	It's like, no, we're an ancient and settled land.
	Like, this is just not the case.
	And if you can scroll down to the graphs in this, John, just so you can see, right?
	Imagine, right, in England, if you can go down to the next one, right?
	An England in 1961 that was 97% English.
	Yeah.
	That's how it used to be.
	And even back in 1991, it's 12% of the entire United Kingdom is non-English.
	But now, and if you include the speculative figures that we are getting through, as well as illegal immigrants, which they estimate are a million of them, it implies that one in four people in England now is a foreigner.
	Yeah, and it's funny as well, some of the people who are the most supportive of this melting pot tend to live in places like the Cotswolds, which are the whitest parts of Britain.
	Yeah, the most non-melting pot areas.
	The government put out a statement the other day saying how they were talking about the percentage of non-vaccinated people in England, and their number was 60 million.
	Yeah.
	60 million.
	And the last census they did, there were only 44.8 million English people.
	So we know that it's one in four people in England are a foreigner.
	Well, we also know that disproportionately it was black and ethnic minority communities and women, by the way.
	Because don't forget, it was the NHS's own advice for over a year not to have the vaccine if you're pregnant or planning to get pregnant.
	And who did that affect?
	Well, there we go.
	And there was a huge drive by Sabi Jabi to sack 100,000 NHS workers and 60,000 care workers.
	And again, back to the earlier point, they put themselves up as parties that are meant to protect the rights of non-Indigenous people.
	BAME community women, and there they are prepared to sack 160,000 of them, because dogma trumps all.
	Yeah, it's mad, isn't it?
	But right, so I guess we'll end that there, because I'm just feeling depressed after going.
	Yeah, sorry, but it's just, it's so bad.
	And it's so demonstrable.
	You can see it in the streets.
	You can see it from the data.
	And it's irrefutable at this point that, like, this is destroying the country.
	This is genuinely liquidating this country.
	And so, anyway, it doesn't matter.
	Let's go to some comments, right?
	So, George says, happy to see Mr.
	Daubney on the show.
	He's one of the very few people in politics who actually cares about men and boys.
	My question to him is, should we bother taking a side in the turf wars, considering that the same feminist who claimed for years that men and women are the same to gain power and are now being attacked by the very months that they created?
	I would say to that, we should always welcome fellow bedfellows and fighters, no matter what their view was before.
	Like, for example, I'm often contacted by people who voted Remain, who now see it as a charade and a rigged system, and they became Brexiteers after the vote.
	And I say, well, welcome.
	It just took you a bit longer than us to wake up.
	So I think we should always welcome allies on board, irrespective of previous battles.
	Sure.
	And at the end of the day, even if there is a coalition between men's rights activists and the TERFs for the purpose of defining what men and women are, that doesn't have to last forever.
	No, and it's the same we saw with the Brexit Party.
	We had people like Claire Fox, former Communist Party member, and then over to those like Rupert Lowe, True Blue Conservative, and they just put everything to one side to get Brexit finished.
	And I think in this instance, we can agree that this is a huge battle.
	Well, yeah, you're absolutely right.
	This is a massive battle because it's on this hill that the intersectionals are prepared to die.
	If Stella Creasy come out in public and say, women can have penises, you just sound like a lunatic.
	And I think that's why it's really important that we join forces to smash this.
	Yes.
	Because if we can expose this as this giant Wizard of Oz charade, then we all win and they lose.
	Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
	And I would love to go back to arguing with Julie Bindle about women's historic oppression.
	I miss those days.
	I know, it was so much easier.
	It was, you know, it was so much easier.
	You're a sexist.
	Well, I'm not, but anyway, let's argue for an hour.
	I'm not, but I've got a great line of misogynist jokes, you know.
	Sure you have.
	You're a sexist, yes, but I'm married, so, you know.
	It's just institutionalized.
	You hate women, yeah, you should hear about my wife.
	Anyway, it was a more innocent time.
	Anyway, Stefan says, Ethan Klein is a great example of Schrodinger's douchebag.
	A statement is a statement until held accountable, then it's just a joke, bro, chill out.
	Yeah, exactly.
	General Hai Ping, Chinese Internet Battalion, great name, says Ethan seems addicted to courting controversy in order to maintain some sort of relevance.
	Either that or he believes that he's some form of manipulative mastermind that can just talk his way out of situations by disregarding whatever he said by saying, oh but I meant, or he's just plain thick.
	Plenty of negatives to choose from.
	Well, Ethan Klein is actually genuinely an idiot.
	Like, he makes Hasan Piker look smart.
	So, anyway, let's move on.
	Joseph says...
	That's a really long comment, and it's about Ethan, so I'm moving on from that, Joseph.
	Sorry.
	I was on the wrong section.
	Right, Longshank1690 says, If Stella wanted misogyny to be outlawed, how is she defining the victim?
	Well, precisely, because that could now include somebody with a penis.
	Yeah.
	That could include you or I. Yeah.
	I mean, it might be easy if we just all identified as trans women.
	Yeah, I mean, literally, to fully abolish this whole thing, if men just universally decide, okay, well, we'll identify as women, now there's no misogyny.
	Now there's no, you know, male-on-female violence.
	And it's back to that kind of open borders thing.
	If you agree that some should be protected, then everybody should be protected.
	Let's all identify as women, and then let's enjoy the rights of women, you know, historically.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Good point, Longshanks.
	Charlie says, are you stellar creases phallic fallacy?
	Well, you fail basic biology, but it doesn't matter because you're a progressive.
	Absolutely right.
	Omar says, The duality of the leftist world is irreconcilable with reality, as if every word in the dictionary had a second definition in the same context, depending on who it's applied to.
	This is a great point.
	Omar always gives us amazing comments, by the way.
	Our existence is violence.
	Their violence is a fight to exist.
	The dehumanization of the right is complete in the eyes of the left, so they are fighting literal monsters.
	But we have to deal with shrieking morons while respecting their human rights.
	If we're on a level playing field, the left would lose on their own just trying to follow their own standards.
	That is good.
	Bloody, bloody good, Omar.
	Free Will says, you say Starmer is deeply inadequate.
	This is the biggest problem in modern politics.
	Duffers with ideology wrecking the country in their virtue-signoring nonsense.
	One of the things, have you ever gone back and watched political discussions from like the 60s?
	Yeah.
	It was like Queensbury rules.
	Yeah.
	It really was.
	And people were able to have differences of opinion without calling each of the names or destroying each of the characters.
	Oh, of course.
	But one thing that struck me, though, is just the level of discourse is so much higher than the level of discourse now.
	Like, these people can form a coherent, paragraph-long argument...
	Spin it off the top of their head and say, no, this is my position.
	And you just can't get that now.
	You get flat statements of ideology.
	When you go back to that epic speech by Ben in favour of leaving the European Union back in the 70s, and then look at what we got from Joe Swinton and Ed Davey and all the rest of them in 2016 onwards.
	comparable intellects.
	It's incredible, isn't it?
	Anyway, Maureen says with two X chromosomes you are a woman if you have an XY chromosome you are a man.
	If you're a man who has had a panectomy, you are a trans woman a man with a mental illness.
	If you're a man who only wears a dress you are either a cross-dresser or you have a transvestic fetishism.
	If you take your kink out of the bedroom, you are of unsound mind and should not be trusted.
	If you have or pretend to have enough empathy to deny basic biology so you can include everyone you are deranged.
	I'm going to be finished.
	Thank you.
	I think it's got all bases covered on that one.
	I can't disagree with you, Maureen, to be honest.
	Like, what am I supposed to say to that?
	It's sewn up.
	It's well thought through.
	Yeah, anyway, going on to the Conservatives and Immigration.
	Ignacio says, with regards to immigration, I think politicians, alongside their corporate allies in the beginning, just wanted to get their cheap labour and eternal voter base.
	Now I think they just really hate their native constituencies and flat out prefer the mercenary immigrants.
	Hmm.
	Yeah, I mean, that right there is Blairism, that's globalism, that's the European Union, and here we are.
	That's now the Conservative position.
	Yes.
	That's what I'm saying.
	We've got this omniparty now, this huge morass of identikit politics.
	No, no, you're absolutely right.
	I mean, I learned the other day that the housing lobby is 20% of the Conservatives' funding, and so really a fifth of their funding comes from people who want to build houses over Englishland.
	Yeah, and then the Liberal Democrats try and stop it through nimbyism.
	And that's going to be a big issue around the next election.
	That population expansion and the Liberals will be the ones saying, well, we're going to stop building houses on our beautiful land.
	That would be lovely.
	But then where do they go and live?
	Exactly.
	In the labouring constituency that's already stuffed.
	Exactly.
	It's an irreconcilable problem that can't be dealt with.
	Lord Nerevar says, I'm English, but I've been living in Wales for the last few years and have some Welsh friends.
	A common conversation that comes up is that the average Welshman is absolutely aghast at the lack of patriotism that the English show.
	In Cardiff, everywhere you turn is a Welsh dragon or a Union Jack flying proudly from the flagpoles.
	Welsh and all the signs and pervading sense of pride in being Welsh.
	The Welsh then look at England and how repressed we are.
	Nary is St. George's cross to be seen and active shaming on the English identity.
	Personally, although the English sensibilities...
	Sorry, my thing's just updated and that's just moved.
	Maybe seen as a bit crass.
	I want the St.
	George's cross more often.
	I want Union Jacks on every flagpole and English flags on every road.
	I love England and being English and I want to do my part to perpetuate that.
	I totally agree with that.
	How's he wrong?
	And so Lawrence Fox and myself, Reclaim Party, went up to Morley in Yorkshire a few weeks ago for St George's Day.
	It has the St George's Day Parade, vote of Britain's most patriotic town.
	And it was just wonderful.
	It was a huge celebration of what it means to be English.
	English nationalism is uniquely demonised, whereas Scottish, Welsh and Irish separatism now is It's amazingly brave.
	And so uniquely, the English seem to hate themselves.
	Orwell got this right in the 1940s.
	It rings true more so than ever today.
	And we are constantly made to feel ashamed of our heritage, our history, our culture, and who we are today.
	Yet the evidence you just so eloquently went through shows more people want to make England their home than anywhere else in the UK. So we have this disconnect between reality and what's told to us by the liberal left.
	I mean, Orwell was absolutely right that the way the left views the world means that they would be more ashamed of being patriotic than stealing from the poor bar.
	Yeah, precisely.
	And that was a superb essay.
	And you read that essay today.
	It's just like 1984.
	It's so, so true.
	The Englanders uniquely are told to hate themselves.
	And it's grossly, grossly unfair.
	And most Englanders don't feel like that.
	And in fact, there's an interesting piece by Hitchens last week.
	And I put a poll out about this.
	What, about seceding?
	Should England go it alone?
	He's stealing my meme.
	Yeah.
	I was making jokes about this ages ago.
	I was like, wouldn't it just be funny, you know, for England to secede from the United Kingdom and give it all to the Celts?
	And be like, your problem now, lads.
	There's lots of benefits.
	He's right.
	Think about the Barnett formula.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So you can have independence, but no more money.
	Hey, if you want to be an independent partner, don't rely on divorce payments.
	Exactly.
	So, I mean, look, part of this is playful and we're being a bit silly.
	It's not going to happen.
	That's not going to happen.
	But there's a good point underlying it.
	If you're part of a union you so obviously hate being a part of that union, then maybe independence is something to say.
	I'm not even against it.
	But on that point, I'm afraid we're out of time.
	Martin, where can people find you?
	You can find me at the Reclaim Party.
	Just at the Reclaim Party.
	You can find me on Facebook.
	My Twitter handle is at Martin Daubney.
	But go to the Reclaim Party.
	If you want to get involved in politics, we are trying to offer something fresh, something new.
	We're small, but we're enthusiastic, and we can't be cancelled.
	So that's a wonderful place to be.
	Excellent.
	Thanks very much, everyone.
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