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	Harry Potter: Good afternoon and welcome to podcast episode 278 of the podcast of the Lotus Eaters and today I am your host Harry joined by my guest Karl.
	Hello!
	And today we're going to be taking a look at a few things, first of all being the latest revelations from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, certainly not the sorts of things you're going to be hearing from the mainstream news.
	We're also going to be taking a deep dive into the Patriot Front that you may have heard about over the weekend and examine whether they're a false flag operation or not.
	Spoiler, they probably are.
	And we're also going to take a look at New Zealand's woke native science.
	Oh yes.
	Yes.
	But before we get into any of that, we've got a few announcements that we'd like to make you aware of.
	First of all, we've got some new articles.
	This free one from Josh called Follow Your Dreams is Bad Advice.
	Ever the purveyor of good news, as always.
	Josh has actually asked me to say that this is not an incredibly pessimistic article.
	It is, in fact, him basically saying if you're trying to...
	Improve yourself on a day-to-day basis, then your long-term goals are likely to change, so it's best not to have one strict set dream or aspiration to be following because that might sort of stunt your day-to-day development.
	Yeah, well, it's kind of an incrementalist manifesto, right?
	It's like, look, improve what's in front of you and just go step by step, and then you'll find yourself in a place that you like without having to carry the burden of a failed dream.
	It's actually a surprising pragmatic article.
	Yes, and I also think it's very true that if you are trying to improve yourself, then by the time you have improved yourself to a more optimum self, then your goals might have changed by then.
	So don't get yourself stuck in a rut there.
	If we move on, we've got the excellent first article from Good Boy John called Leftism, A Religion of Four Pillars.
	I've not read this one yet, have you?
	I've read this, yes.
	It's a really, really strong debut article, frankly.
	Laying out how leftism is a religion, and it has its saints, its sinners, its martyrs, its tithes, its liturgies, and various others.
	And so he does a really good job of saying, well, look, this is a religion, these are the criteria for something to be a religion, and this is how leftism fits it.
	And this isn't really up for any debate now.
	It definitely fulfills this sort of religious impulse.
	And there are definitely different hierarchies to it.
	There are the pastors and the preachers of this religion.
	The congregation.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's a really good article.
	Very interesting.
	I'll need to read that.
	Is that a free one?
	It is, yeah.
	Because I don't see an audio track.
	Well, great.
	So you've no excuse not to take a look at that one.
	If we move along, we've also got a new premium epochs with Carl and Bo talking about Gordon of Khartoum.
	Yes, this is fantastic.
	Like, Gordon of Khartoum was an absolute mad lad, and he basically sailed around the world doing crazy things.
	I'm not going to spoil any of it, but I didn't know much about it, and Beau was just like, right, settle in, you're going to enjoy this, and it was brilliant.
	Really, really good episode, this one.
	We've also got a new premium, well, another premium contemplations, which was Josh and Callum talking about how effective is the Westminster parliamentary system.
	So if you're interested in that, take a look.
	And we've got another premium video, if we move along again, which was an interview with Lord Miles himself.
	It was quite a pleasure for everyone to have him in the office last week.
	Interestingly, Miles and Gordon of Cartoon, they're definitely cut from the same cloth.
	Oh, really?
	They're hardcore Christians, and they are interested in going around the world doing things that are Christian, and also enjoying being kind of Weird, like, out-of-the-box rebels.
	It's the adventurous attitude and spirit.
	The call to adventure.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They're exactly the same kind of people.
	And I met Miles when he came in.
	He's a really nice guy.
	Lovely chap.
	I didn't spend as much time with him as everyone else, but he seemed like an absolutely great guy.
	And, of course, follow us on Getter, where you can find us at...
	Oh, we've changed it to lotoseaters.com now, instead of underscore com.
	Well, the at is underscore com.
	It's kind of a dot in there.
	Yeah, well, follow us at lotusseas.com on Getter, where you'll be able to follow us and hear us talk about stuff that we probably couldn't talk about on Twitter.
	And also just get all of the power away from the mainstream social media sites.
	Right.
	Alright, and with that, let's carry on with the news.
	Let's get into it then.
	So, let's talk about the latest revelations from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
	There has been quite a lot of this.
	You won't have seen it on the BBC or Sky News or CNN or anything like this, but there are outlets that are reporting what's going on in the trial.
	The trial is not being live-streamed, not because of some shady conspiracy, but because of State laws, some states, a small number of states allow them to broadcast from within the courtroom, such as in the case of the Carl Rittenhouse trial.
	But this is in New York where they do not allow you to do that.
	And so you get these wonderful pieces of art drawn by courtroom artists.
	And this is really interesting because it's Ghislaine Maxwell drawing a picture of the person drawing her and staring at them furiously.
	And it is rather disconcerting.
	There is an atmosphere to this photograph that I would describe as aggressive.
	Yes, and I can imagine it's fairly intimidating.
	But anyway, let's get on to some of the testimonies.
	Now, a lot of the information we get here is actually not new, because a lot of it came out during the apparent suicide of Jeffrey Epstein.
	But it's confirmed again during this trial.
	So we're going to go through it because it's really useful stuff to know.
	So this is testimony from Jeffrey Epstein's pilot of the plane that was colloquially called the Lolita Express.
	Lots of important people wrote on this, and this is not something that is to their credit.
	Anyway, so apparently Bill Clinton flew on their plane.
	Prince Andrew flew on there, various other people.
	But he says he doesn't remember Donald Trump flying on there, although he does remember Donald Trump as a person because he was fans of Jeffrey Epstein.
	He doesn't remember Trump flying on there.
	Other names include people like Kevin Spacey, Chris Tucker, a famed violinist called Itzhak Perlman, former senators George Mitchell and John Glenn.
	I mean, these are famous, important, powerful people.
	Yes, and these are people, when you include people like Kevin Spacey, who already have a history of allegations going back, so that seems to Andrew.
	Yeah, and Prince Andrew as well.
	Yeah, and so it's very interesting.
	So when I asked about a particular victim who is, alleged victim, I should say, who is testifying in this case, who is identified under the pseudonym Jane, he says he can't remember her sitting there like he would with others.
	But that doesn't mean that her testimony isn't true, because there are other people who do remember Jane.
	But anyway, he also testified that Epstein was flown to various different places, including one of his homes in Columbus, Ohio, which was owned by one of his business associates, Victoria's Secret founder, Les Wexner, who Epstein would call a client.
	Now, as I understand it, Les Wexner was his primary client.
	So they worked together for many years very intimately.
	But Vysoski, his is the pilot's name, said he interacted with Maxwell a lot during his employment with Epstein in a business capacity.
	And she would handle things like expense reports, which he would take to his properties.
	And he says, quote, Ms.
	Maxwell was the number two and Epstein was a big number one.
	So Maxwell was deeply embedded in the structure of Epstein's life.
	And so we got on to the house manager's testimony.
	This is the manager of his Palm Beach, Florida home.
	And when we say home, it's kind of misleading because it's an estate.
	You know, this is a huge estate with a mansion on and, you know, lots of people's lives are essentially bound up in this.
	Sorry, I've got a scratchy throat.
	No worries.
	But anyway...
	So Epstein's former house manager has recalled collecting a teenage girl from school and taking her to Ghislaine Maxwell in the testimony.
	One, Alessi, identified the girl as one of the four alleged victims at the center of the case against Maxwell, which Maxwell, of course, denies all of these charges.
	Alessi managed to home, picked up the accuser, given the syndrome of Jane, taking her to the house when she was 14 or 15.
	Uh, Jane herself claims to have been 14 at the time, uh, describing her as strikingly beautiful girl, beautiful eyes, long brunette hair and tall.
	Uh, he remember bringing her to Maxwell's desk and recall them going to cinema and then driving her with Maxwell Epstein to the financiers private jet.
	Uh, so it seems likely she has flown on it.
	Uh, apparently Epstein required thrice daily massages and would sometimes be asked to book a monsieur, uh, using the directory that belonged to Maxwell or Epstein.
	There was a page with massage therapist Palm beach on it.
	Alessi worked for Epstein between 1991 to 2002, and the relationship had been cordial until Maxwell took over when staff were ordered to speak only when spoken to and avoid eye contact with Epstein.
	Hmm.
	But anyway, so they would fly in each weekend and there were also other girls constantly flying with them.
	He believed that Maxwell was Epstein's girlfriend and she was with him 95% of the time.
	And these massages apparently, according to a psychologist called Lisa Roccio, are a process by which the children were groomed for sexual abuse.
	She, as an expert witness, said there were five stages of grooming.
	Which included identifying vulnerable targets and generating a false sense of familiarity.
	She said, Maxwell's lawyers have pointed out that several accusers did not speak up until decades after the alleged incident, when a compensation fund was set up by Epstein's estate.
	But Roccio told the court, the younger someone is, the more likely they are to delay disclosure, and the abuse of minors was one of the most undeniable crimes.
	If you're a 14-year-old girl, and you're traveling on a plane, and there may well be famous politicians or celebrities, and you've got a billionaire like Jeffrey Epstein flying you around everywhere, what are you going to do?
	Going to go along with everything they tell you to.
	Exactly.
	Oh no, sorry, I don't think that's appropriate.
	At 14 years old, you've got such little life experience, especially in regards to anything that could be considered remotely sexual or romantic, that you probably may not even recognise what's going on.
	Also, as we'll see in a minute, they targeted poor people.
	Oh, okay.
	So these girls are, you know, working class poor, not young women of resources or means or connections.
	And so they're surrounded by a giant power structure that is intimidating to be within, with really powerful people.
	I mean, what the hell?
	And there's also the potential that they might see this as some form of escape route for them as well, out of that poverty.
	Absolutely.
	Especially if they're giving them gifts and treating them as though they are someone who's going to maintain an important relationship with these people.
	Absolutely.
	Sorry about the...
	It's very, very cold.
	It is very cold here at the moment, yeah.
	But anyway, so let's...
	This all seems to be what Maxwell did with Jane.
	So Jane was the first of four accusers who gave her testimony, and she said that she had met Epstein and Maxwell the summer after completing seventh grade while at a performing arts summer camp in Michigan in 1984.
	Her father was a composer who had died of leukemia the previous autumn, and the medical expenses had bankrupted their family.
	And...
	Epstein and Maxwell had apparently approached her while she was eating an ice cream with some friends between music lessons at the camp.
	Epstein said that he was a donor to the camp and wanted to know what the attendees thought of it.
	When he learned Jane lived in Palm Beach, he asked for her mother's phone number.
	A few weeks later, Jane said her mother received a call.
	It was Epstein and wanted to invite Jane and her mother over for tea.
	This was the first in a series of meetings that prosecutors allege were meant to normalise the subsequent sexual abuse.
	Jane says she went to Epstein's homes every week or two for the next five years, until leaving his grasp in 1999, when she moved across the country and caught off contact with him in 2002.
	And she kept this experience a secret for years because she says, quote, I felt very ashamed, I felt disgusted, I was confused, and I didn't know whether it was my fault.
	So Jane testified that at first they had casual hangouts with Epstein and Maxwell, taking her to movies and going to the pool in Epstein's back garden and having meals with her.
	They made her feel special, Jane said, by asking about what was going on in her life, something she found difficult to talk about at home since her father had died.
	and epstein also paid for private school tuition at the palm beach home uh it was apparently filled with paintings of naked or half naked women as well as creepy looking animals whatever that means and she testified that maxwell and epstein name dropped people like bill clinton donald trump and mike wallace giving the impression they were connected to two powerful people again this strikes me as being part of sort of intimidation tactics Yes, get them when they're vulnerable, and then, like you say, intimidate them with this massive power structure looming over them.
	And the thing was, Epstein and Maxwell, judging by all of the testimony and evidence that seems to have come forward so far, did have some deep connections.
	Without a doubt, there's simply no question of it.
	And so in one early meeting, Maxwell and Epstein brought her to a Victoria's Secret store, again, owned by Les Wexler, to buy white panties, apparently.
	And she said that Epstein also gave her wads of cash and told her it was for her mother.
	So, poor girl is being groomed into this and given wads of cash, so becoming dependent financially on Epstein for support.
	And the parent maybe being paid off at the same time.
	Well, that's what it looks like, doesn't it?
	Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
	I get the thing that her mother probably didn't realise what was going on.
	I don't know, you've got this older billionaire and he's paying your daughter to pay you money.
	I don't understand how, as a parent, or at least a parent who would be concerned about the well-being of their child, how you would be able to ignore the very clear and obvious warning signs there, but...
	But I mean, maybe they really needed that money, I suppose.
	Anyway, so during this time, apparently at Epstein's Palm Beach home, there were often topless or naked women hanging out in the pool, which she found odd.
	And one time, the abuse began with Epstein telling her to go to the pool house that's in the backyard, which again is huge.
	And there, Epstein pulled her over to a couch, pulled down his sweatpants, and then masturbated until he climaxed on her.
	She says, I was frozen.
	I'd never seen a penis before, let alone anything like this, because she was 14 years old at the time.
	It's vile.
	Yes.
	Jane testified that she was too afraid or fearful to talk to family members or friends about what she'd experienced and continue to visit Epstein without intimidation.
	But again, I don't think her mother knew what was going on here, to be honest.
	She says she didn't say anything to anyone.
	See, once again, I can recognise that, but I still don't understand how you wouldn't recognise that there is something strange going on there, especially if your daughter's going unattended.
	Well, I guess it's framed in the guise of philanthropy, right?
	Epstein's like, alright, you're a poor family, you know, I'm a noted philanthropist.
	This, again, in the 90s, late 90s, before any of this has come out.
	So you don't know that he's a weird pedo.
	He's connected to Bill Clinton, who was a popular president in his day.
	Well, I mean, the other thing is that by this time, if you're talking in the mid-90s, all of the Michael Jackson allocations, whether you believe them or not, had already come out.
	So you should, I don't know, I find it difficult.
	Maybe, but you couldn't exactly tar everyone with that brush, right?
	You wouldn't.
	I mean, it's easy in retrospect to sit back and say that, but from the other side of it, nobody thought that these were bad people.
	They're paying for tuition, they're helping them out with financial costs and buying...
	Epstein bought her mother a house to live in to make sure the mother was taken care of.
	So, like...
	Is there any reason to think it, necessarily?
	I wouldn't have said so.
	I mean, if you're casting, once again, maybe this is just hindsight for me, if I'm casting a sceptical eye, I would look back and say, well, it couldn't be more obvious that that's what was going on in terms of paying them off not to kick up a big stink or ask any questions, but obviously I'm not that person in that scenario.
	Exactly.
	I don't get the impression that the mother knew at the time.
	But anyway, the sexual abuse began carrying on and intensifying from there.
	I'm actually going to skip some of the gory details because this is going on YouTube.
	But this became normalized at this point, where the massages became just sexual encounters, basically.
	But the point is, Maxwell was there throughout the whole time taking part in these things, and she treated it all very casually.
	When you say, not to get too far ahead, when you say taking part, do you mean taking part as in, obviously, the organizational and arranging these encounters?
	Oh, taking part in the sex accidents.
	Oh, okay.
	That makes it even worse.
	She is, as I say, Maxwell is touching him.
	She's exactly, every part the same, exactly the same.
	I mean, as Jane has described it, Epstein and Maxwell did these things together.
	They grew her together.
	They took part in the sex acts together.
	They're partners in all of this.
	Exactly, yes.
	And these would be normal.
	Apparently they would be spending time with lots of people at the house.
	And then abruptly everything would stop and either Ghislaine or Jeffrey would tell everyone to follow them into a room.
	Then they'd all go into Epstein's bedroom and participate in an orgy.
	And Maxwell was there participating according to Jane.
	I mean, I don't know if we can infer his name, but this sounds an awful lot like what a certain no-named blacklisted YouTube commentator had been going on about for a while.
	Elite orgies in big private mansions.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he may well have been right about everything.
	Yes.
	But anyway, so this abuse continued on a very regular basis to the point where she says, it's hard to remember in any specific incident because I was abused pretty much every time I would go over to his house.
	It all started to seem the same after a while, whether it was just him or the other women involved or me, Jeffrey and Ghislaine.
	It all started to seem the same after a while.
	You just become numb to it.
	In 1999, she graduated and got a job in California, removed there, and then broke ties with Epstein fully in 2001.
	They have all of the evidence of these things that Jane is talking about from going to the next one, where it's like the massage table, various sex toys, and all of these other things.
	So Jane is referring to things that apparently exist.
	And interestingly, Trump wasn't there.
	I feel we need to point this out, but Jane says that she didn't meet Trump at Mar-a-Lago before the pool incident.
	She doesn't implicate Trump in any of this.
	Interesting to note.
	It is also probably important to note that this particular Twitter account, Maxwell Trial Tracker, has been good for accumulating a lot of the information.
	But they have also been pointing out every time someone has been shown to be involved in a photograph with Epstein.
	And it's important to recognize that Epstein was a member of these groups of high society within New York, especially, where just taking a photo with someone does not necessarily mean anything.
	Because there are photos of Epstein with Trump that people have used to extrapolate from there that Trump was involved in this whole podcast.
	Well, that's why I haven't included any of the photos of Maxwell being pictured with various people at high society parties.
	Because, again, it just doesn't mean anything.
	Yeah, you're at a party, you turn around, hey, take a photo with my friend.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's exactly right.
	It doesn't mean anything.
	But the important parts are that another lady called Sarah Ransom, I'm not sure if that's a real name, Claimed that Maxwell was the engineer of Epstein's abuse.
	So Sarah Ransom, who says she was repeatedly raped by Epstein over a nine-month period, described Maxwell as a very sick woman who took pleasure in humiliating her victims.
	Quote, Ghislaine enjoyed humiliating us.
	You could see the enjoyment in her face.
	And so, yeah, there are multiple victims who are claiming that Maxwell was involved in the sex itself.
	And Apparently had a sadistic pleasure in it.
	But the defence has a sterling response to this.
	The charges against Ghislaine Maxwell are for things that Jeffrey Epstein did, but she did not.
	Not according to the people under, you know, under allegation.
	As it stands, these are all allegations, but those allegations are pretty serious and are alleging that, yes, she is basically doing everything that Jeffrey Epstein was doing.
	Yes, and it's not like there aren't multiple people alleging very similar things.
	Not a particularly strong defence.
	No, a better defence from Bloomberg is that Ghislaine Maxwell is in fact the victim of Jeffrey Epstein.
	How do you get to this?
	The Me Too era.
	We can leverage feminism to save Ghislaine Maxwell.
	Is she herself a victim of Epstein?
	From all the testimony we have, no, she's not.
	She's a perpetrator.
	She engaged in it and apparently enjoyed it for literally decades.
	Well, about a decade.
	But interestingly, Les Wexner recently stepped down as the chair of the Columbus Partnership.
	He was the primary client of Epstein and the owner of Victoria's Secret, Abercrombie& Finch, Express, Inc., and Bath& Body Works, you know, various, like, you know, chains of stores.
	Unbelievably wealthy man, and for some reason just stepped down.
	Just out of the blue.
	Just out of the blue.
	There have been loads of these resignations, but I didn't have time to go and investigate them all.
	Yes, this has, from what I've seen, set off a chain reaction.
	Yeah.
	It's really, really weird.
	And so I haven't been able to, like, had the time to go through and connect them And see if there are connections, sorry.
	But I know that Les Wexner definitely has connections, and he's just stepped down, so that's weird.
	And once again, just to reinforce the point, Trump doesn't seem to have decided to take himself out of the public eye in regards to this.
	No, no.
	Like, again, weirdly, again, of all people, Donald Trump seems to come out of this...
	I mean, like, the closest you can get to say, well, Donald Trump and Epstein were friends for, like, four years or something, until they had fallen out of the business dealings...
	Yeah.
	And then directly after that, Donald Trump was like, Epstein likes young girls.
	Yeah, he came out in the public stage and was like, well, he's got a weird island.
	You don't want to know what goes on around there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	In 2004, this is long before any of this became like, you know, a big story.
	Donald Trump was actually blowing the whistle on this.
	And all the victims were like, no, Trump didn't do any of this.
	It's like, okay, you know, best boy somehow.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, finally, the medical examiner who said that Epstein committed suicide has resigned on the first day of the trial, which is weird.
	Why would they?
	Why would they do that?
	Choice timing.
	Yeah, I have no idea.
	But anyway, that's the update at the moment from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
	We will continue covering it as it goes on.
	It's probably going to have gone for a few weeks.
	Yeah, we'll see how this all turns out.
	So, we're done with that one then?
	I think so.
	Everybody, just refrain from your showers just yet.
	After that one, we are going to go on to something that's probably a little bit more light-hearted, which is that over the weekend, I think it was December 4th, there was this Patriot Front Unified March throughout Washington, D.C., which seems to have...
	Come out of nowhere, as far as everyone's aware.
	As far as I'm aware, there was no word of this on social media.
	No.
	And as far as most other conservative commentators are aware, they'd never heard of this going down, and they'd never heard of this organisation.
	But we've got this clip.
	Before we go to the clip, sorry to interrupt.
	I just want to point out how unusual that is, right?
	Because I'm very much well-embedded in the MAGA social media ecosphere on...
	You know, on Gab, on Getter, on Facebook, on any platforms, you know, I follow as much on all sides as I can because I want to be, you know, well-informed about the political environment.
	And I had never heard of this organization.
	I don't know a single person who's involved with it.
	There is not one significant commentator that I'm aware of who had ever heard of anything of it.
	Any of this organization.
	And then suddenly it pops up fully formed with whoever all of these people are, with uniforms of some sort, and all of these flags and things like that.
	And they seem, other than one or two direct members, they all seem to be taking pains to hide their identity.
	Yeah, which is not something that the Patriots actually did.
	No, it's definitely not.
	Most of these other groups, whether you want to call them white supremacist groups or not, have not really made much effort to hide their identities.
	No, like the actual sort of Charlottesville white supremacists or the MAGA supporters at January the 6th, like none of them took any pains to hide their identities.
	None of them are the Proud Boys or anything like that.
	And so who are these guys?
	Where have they come from?
	And who's organized this?
	Yeah, so if you want to just play this clip so we can see them and hear what they're saying...
	Alright, as you can see, they've brought the helicopter out.
	There's tons of police.
	Thomas, why are we marching in D.C.? Our demonstrations are an exhibition of our unified capability to organize, to show our strength, not as brawlers or public nuisances, but as men capable of illustrating a message and seeking an America that more closely resembles the interests of its true people.
	Yeah, and for anybody who wasn't watching that, it was just two guys, the two unmasked guys, standing at the front of this with a small group, I'd say probably in the tens maybe, reaching 100 people.
	I heard that there were 500 people there.
	Doesn't look like 500.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah, it looks like maybe 50 people behind them all marching in lockstep with white sock bandana style things over their faces with all caps on, all wearing sunglasses, looking an awful lot like those definitely not feds from September.
	Yeah.
	And they're all in matching chinos, and they've all got knee pads on for some reason.
	And you can hear what they're talking about there.
	They say, oh, we want a unified America for all this sort of stuff.
	It sounds all very, what I would describe as rote talking points.
	Yeah.
	Like if you were someone trying to LARP or cosplay as a Charlottesville-style right winger, these are the talking points that you would probably go for for the most obvious and immediate impact, as far as I can tell.
	Yeah, it's weird, because the rhetoric doesn't match any of the rhetoric that you see online.
	And that's unusual, I think.
	And the guy that you can see with the hat on, who is the one who is explaining what they're going for, is a man called Thomas Rousseau, who I believe is the man who formed this organisation.
	Seems to be a very young man.
	If we skip over to the next link, we can see here Jack Murphy on Twitter put up a different view of the action.
	So it's just, once again, a large number of these people.
	This one looks more like it could reach that 500 number.
	Still not that many that I can see, but they're all walking along carrying American flags.
	One of them's drumming.
	They all seem to have shields as well for some reason.
	They've got a uniform and they've got chinos, which...
	They definitely have a uniform.
	This is much more organized than I would expect some kind of grassroots movement to appear.
	That's exactly the way, that's the correct frame.
	The Patriots are like, who the hell are these guys?
	How have these guys flown under the radar of the people who are interested in patriotic organization in the United States?
	They've just popped up fully formed with uniforms, banners, and an obvious, clear organization.
	And literally no one knows who they are.
	Yes, but they would...
	We'll get onto it later, but they would certainly have you believe that they've been active for a long time.
	So if we move along, people obviously started to click this immediately.
	We've got Same Feds, Different Costume from Jim Hansen.
	On the left, you can see the image of them all marching in lockstep.
	and then on the right was that the January 6th rally that was going on in September to free January 6th and you can see all of those guys who definitely don't have Glocks in their pocket either that or they're just very happy to see you and they're all wearing very similar uniforms with the shorts and the sunglasses all Yeah, wristwatches.
	All very young, all in very good shape.
	And that is another point to make with these Patriot front people as well, that they all, as far as you can tell from what you can see of their faces and their body shape, they all seem to be very uniform, not just in their outfits, but also in the level of fitness.
	Yeah, now that's a really interesting point, because if it was a grassroots organization, you'd expect a wide diversity, should we say.
	I'd expect a few fatties in a MAGA rally, to be honest.
	Well, yeah, but anything, like Antifa.
	You can see how a lot of Antifa is actually quite grassroots among middle-class college students, because a lot of them are weird and fat.
	And it's just one of those things.
	When you get a bunch of very fit people all in the same uniform, it seems like deliberate organisation.
	Absolutely it does.
	And if you move along, this Twitter account Jarvis, if you just scroll up to the top of this because it starts halfway through, has done some great work in examining where a lot of the media attention seems to have come from with Patriot Front.
	So I won't go through the whole thing because there's quite a lot of information.
	I'll just take out some of the main points here.
	So the initial account that was talking about this Washington rally is this one, which is a...
	That's a fake picture, isn't it?
	Yes, it's attributed to the name of a Cheryl Lewayan who does not exist.
	The image is AI generated and she only signed up for Twitter the day before the news came out and only had one other post on her Twitter account which was about raising money for her sick dog.
	Right.
	So, very strange account for this all to have originated from.
	So if we scroll down, it shows she posted a tweet about the Washington rally and it immediately tagged a number of journalists and news publications such as CNN, you can see there a bunch of journalists.
	Local news affiliates.
	Fox, by the looks of it.
	BG on the scene, New York Post, Washington.
	Yep.
	And the thing was, as well, that all of these news publications, or at least the ones that you would expect to really want to jump onto any news about white supremacy in America...
	These are the people to go for.
	...began immediately retweeting it and talking about it, which is very strange, because I imagine these sorts of accounts don't often look at their random Twitter mentions from day-old accounts...
	Perhaps.
	Well, I mean, you don't know it's a day-old account when it appears in your mentions, do you?
	I suppose so.
	But yeah, and it immediately got retweeted, including one man called Christopher Goldsmith, who was a so-called disinformation expert and fascist hunter.
	Tweeting about it.
	Yeah, he tweeted, he says that he has known about Patriot Front for a long time, and he was even able to say about how they were getting away, which is through U-Hauls and all piling into trucks.
	But if you actually check his account, the first time that he posted about them was on December 4th.
	Right, so a couple of days ago.
	Yeah, a couple of days ago, the day that this happened.
	But then he immediately claims to be an expert on them, and like I say, he manages to get the information correct in how they escape from the scene of their marches, which all seems very convenient.
	And then there's a few other things that this thread points out, such as the fact that the media that were on the scene didn't seem to want to or even try to get an interview with any of these people, which is very strange, because you would expect them to be like, why are you here?
	What's going on?
	And none of them seemed to try to follow the U-Hauls, which were very obviously escaping the scene, to see what's going on with that.
	And Goldsmith himself is now claiming that he was Fooled by the AI-generated Cheryl account into spreading fear because amusingly, a few days after everybody started to point out, hold up, this account's AI-generated and only has two posts, what's going on?
	They suddenly pulled the mask and went, aha!
	We've changed our name to Reclaim America.
	We were a front account for Patriot Front, trying to get free publicity by spreading fear.
	All seems a little bit convenient, wouldn't you say?
	Yeah, definitely.
	Highly sus.
	The account has now been suspended, but before they did so, they were trying to confirm to everyone, don't worry, no, we are a real organisation, I swear.
	If you go on our Telegram, we've got four years' worth of activity on there.
	See, so we're definitely real, guys.
	And I actually do have their Telegram up that we'll look at in a few minutes.
	But Chris Goldsmith as well, it points out some information regarding him.
	He's a very interesting character in and of himself, this guy who was very quick to start reporting on them.
	Claiming that he's an expert on something that he just got fooled by.
	Yes.
	He's a liar.
	By the sounds of it, yes.
	And it's not like he doesn't have a history of this, because he was given in 2008, by the sounds of it, a less than honourable discharge from the military for attempting to kill himself.
	And in the same year, 2008, he claimed to have sabotaged the weapons of the Iraqi allies while he was out in Iraq for some reason.
	And then in the video he admits to this, he blamed it on Republicans making him a racist.
	And then a few years later, he comes out and being like, well, actually, I was an anti-war activist at the time, because I'm sure you get plenty of those in the military.
	So he's a spook, is what we're saying.
	Basically, yeah.
	He says he imagined it, and it seems to have been corroborated by an investigation done by the military.
	So either way, this is not a stableman, but he is now a Democrat- What a shock.
	I know, what a shock.
	And he works as the Associate Director for Vietnam Veterans of America.
	He's contributed to CNN and other news networks and has participated in a town hall with AOC and all those sorts of people.
	Oh really?
	He really does fit the bill of someone who would be absolutely chomping at the bit to get a foot in on news like this.
	Right.
	But yeah, if we move along, you can see here we've got footage of all of these Patriot Front members all packing into the back of a U-Haul, all of them with their shields and uniforms.
	Once again, a suspicious level of organisation has gone into this march.
	And if we move along, there's another one, because it turned out it wasn't just one U-Haul.
	If you just want to play this...
	Video, Michael.
	Yeah.
	You can see here, a U-Haul pulls up.
	This is a different one at a different location.
	Except there's something strange about this one that I've noticed, is that there seems to be police at the side of the road, sort of just waiting and helping them.
	Managing the departure.
	Yes.
	Not seeming to arrest any of these people who I'm sure that they would love to get their hands on.
	Not, you know, hassling them in any way.
	They just orderly get into their truck.
	I mean, where are they going?
	Well, I mean, the media certainly weren't interested by the sounds of it.
	Let's not bother investigating that, guys.
	Yes.
	That's really suspicious.
	Really suspicious.
	And then if we move along, you can see that I've got their telegram up here.
	And it's very strange, because for an organization that no one's ever heard of before, they've got 14,000 subscribers.
	on Telegram.
	And if you just start scrolling up through here, Michael, you don't need to worry about stopping.
	You can see there's a very particular type of content that they've posted on their Telegram, which seems to be just photos of them having lovely days out and putting banners up everywhere.
	Doing some push-ups with the lads.
	There's only a few posts on here that ever actually relate to any direct action that isn't just spraying some spray paint or putting up some kind of banner saying pretty stock conservative phrases like, better dead than red.
	I was going to say, what's really interesting is the lack of ideological propaganda.
	It feels very sanitized.
	There's no meat.
	If we just stop on one.
	What are we being told there?
	Because normally these slogans have some kind of biting ideological message in there.
	Yes, they're designed to shock to keep your attention.
	Exactly.
	And you get this with Extinction Rebellion or with any of these others where, like, they've got a genuine drive to go somewhere.
	But if you can go, just carry on going up a bit.
	Just, like, there we go, Better Dead Than Red.
	Oh, wow, that's so edgy.
	I've never heard that one before.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's so new.
	Reclaim America.
	What do you mean?
	Who are you talking about?
	There's no body to what's being said.
	It's just a spray paint overlay.
	I don't feel the ideological passion that would typically be underpinning an organization like this.
	Reclaim America from who?
	What is the problem?
	Why are we doing any of this?
	None of that is present.
	This feels like something that was confected for a video game or a movie or something.
	The other thing I've noticed about the images is that a lot of them seem...
	I feel like you could very easily spend a weekend going around a city taking hundreds of these photos and all of a sudden you've got a few years worth of content stockpiled to just be able to post when and if you need it to make yourself look like an active organisation until you want to push something forwards.
	Because they all seem to be variations.
	The only other photos there are are photos of them all going hiking.
	Because, you know, day out with the boys.
	And there is maybe one or two posts about them actually doing marches.
	One from July earlier this year, I believe, and then the one from December, which was leading up to the Washington one.
	And if we move along again, we can go to their website, which has a manifesto in it.
	Again, none of that is...
	Like, strong family, strong nation.
	Okay, yeah.
	Like, it's not incendiary screeds against Jews or black people, right?
	It's not like white nationalism, as everyone else will have experienced it on the internet.
	The only place that I can find even a remote whiff of that kind of rhetoric is in this manifesto they have on their, once again, shockingly professional-looking website.
	Very clean, isn't it?
	Yes.
	It's not what, once again, not what you'd expect a grassroots website to look like.
	Most of the time, these sorts of websites, I would imagine, to look like something from Internet 2.0.
	It's also suspicious that this website comes up very easily through searches.
	On Bing, you type in Patriot Front, and it's the first result that comes up, whereas organizations like the Proud Boys...
	And Patriot Prayer, they tend to get buried no matter what search engine you're on.
	So the only bits that I could see that are remotely sort of talking about, you know, race and stuff like that are these sorts of quotes where it says in the manifesto, however, it must be noted that you exist as an individual, but you do so in accordance with your family, community, nation, and race.
	You must never exist in spite of them.
	To see yourself solely as an individual is misguided and lacks an ethical basis.
	They also say people without a natural identity will find an artificial one instead of identifying with a natural classification, such as family, community, nation, or race.
	So the mentions of race in those are basically the only parts that I can see here.
	That's the closest you get to any kind of underlying ideological meaning, content in the activism.
	And once again, it seems to have been sprinkled in so that any potential normies that might be, you know, going, oh, who's this organization?
	You know, taking it back in horror.
	Yeah, because it's very like a gloss.
	It feels like an empty gloss over what is supposed to be a movement, but I'm not seeing any substance.
	As much as I disagree with the communists or the Nazis or whoever, at least there's substance underpinning the slogans, right?
	They at least have a theory of why they're doing what they're doing.
	And if you want to try and be a reactionary right-winger in the sort of mould of someone like Julius Evler or something, then he certainly was nowhere near this clean with his arguments.
	He was very straight up about what he was saying.
	Whereas this all seems to sort of be like inference...
	That's the point, isn't it?
	Like, they're never actually identifying the body that they are in favor of, right?
	I mean, look at this.
	Every group has a common interest in the form of survival, prosperity, and progress.
	What we see illustrated so well in our current age is also the prevalence of collective threats.
	In order to survive as a culture, heritage, and way of being, our nation must learn that its collective interests are fighting against its collective threats of displacement and enslavement.
	Like...
	I know what they're trying to say, but they're never just our nation.
	That paragraph could be transplanted to any nation on Earth, and it would be just as valid.
	This reads like a corporate press release written by an intern, which, if they're feds...
	But it's totally universalized.
	It's not appealing to...
	American signifiers there.
	You know, you, you see it in the pictures, but like the, the statements themselves, any, any country on earth could have that same statement and they would consider it to be true in a sense as in, you know, superficially true.
	Yeah.
	And then there's also a few other funky things that sort of make me get suspicious.
	Like if you go on their homepage and scroll down just a little bit, you can see they've got a link to their bit shoot, which immediately comes up with, this page is restricted due to incitement to hatred.
	Once again, seems like something that an organization trying to invite people in wouldn't want front and center.
	They would probably be looking to just...
	It looks more...
	Yeah, if you scroll down here a bit, Michael...
	On the front page.
	A little bit further.
	A little bit further.
	It seems like something that would be done a little bit further again.
	You'll find it when you see it.
	Here you go.
	BitChute.
	Channel restricted.
	Contains incitement to hatred.
	That seems a lot like something intended to scare normies.
	Is that just an image?
	The BitChute is a link to their channel, but this is written out.
	Yeah, right, so they're just saying that.
	Yes.
	Right?
	Like, can we go to their channel on BitChute, is it?
	As far as I could see from what I looked at some of the videos, oh yeah, it's not even a link to their channel.
	No, it's not a link to their channel, it's just a link to BitChute.
	Yeah, it's really weird.
	I went on their channel and it basically just seemed to be like two-minute discussions with their leader who's like, oh, we need to stand up to the power systems.
	It's like, oh wow, how vague.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	And, yeah, so their website's a bit weird as well.
	And then if you move along, we'll skip through a little bit of this stuff.
	That's Thomas Rousseau, the guy who supposedly forms the organisation.
	He's got his own page on the Southern Poverty Law Centre.
	If you move along again, you can see...
	I know you're going over a bit of time, but like Thomas Ryan Rousseau began revealing adherence to white supremacy as a member of his high school newspaper.
	This aided in his rapid ascension to leadership on the racist right, first with Vanguard America and later with his founding of Patriot Front.
	It sounds like controlled opposition, right?
	It really does.
	And if we move along, we can actually see there are still all of the articles that he contributed to on his high school newspaper.
	If you scroll all the way down to the bottom here, Michael, you'll find that some of the articles that he wrote just up a little bit.
	You can see he's talking about stuff like diversity.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, I mean, if you scroll up, he's also done some stuff like covered the Trump rally, and he does it in a very neutral way, but none of this comes across like the progressive and gradual radicalization of a young man, because these contributions go all the way up until 2017, which is when he supposedly founded this organization.
	Hmm.
	So it's very, very strange.
	And then if we move along again, the only other major activity that I could find with Patriot Front was them doing a July 4th rally in Philadelphia back in July this year.
	Where they talk about how, as the rally passed by City Hall and other central locations, a number of residents and bystanders began following the marchers and shouting at them.
	There were at least 10 to 15 counter-protesters who engaged while the police did not.
	Later, after the marchers had backed away and climbed into rental trucks to depart, police did detain them.
	Photos posted online show.
	I followed the link.
	It's just a photo of one or two of them with their hands behind their back.
	Looks more like a publicity photo issue to me.
	They just probably put out their FBI badges and they were like, oh, right.
	You can see, once again, there's the repeating with the U-Hauls and rental trucks, and there's also the same uniforms and outfits, and also it's the fact that 10 to 15 counter-protesters showed up and started shouting at them, and they were like, oh, leave us alone!
	You know?
	Getting scared off by a bunch of counter-protesters.
	Yeah, the MAGA chaps would not run away at 10 to 15 counter-protesters.
	Yeah.
	It's very strange.
	And then if we move along again, you can see here that Antifa has immediately grasped the hold of this and started to point out, oh, Trump loyalists in the GOP, their sons are member of Patriot Front and Revolt Through Tradition and other such neo-Nazi organizations.
	So what has happened is over the weekend, this organization that nobody had heard of...
	It comes out of nowhere with this big publicised rally at Washington, and as soon as it happens, all of the anti-fur and democratic establishment elites have started to use this as a rallying point and something to once again point to, look at all this white supremacy that's going on in America right now, which once again seems a little bit convenient.
	Seems like bollocks to me.
	It seems like bollocks to me too.
	So yeah, all in all, these guys, if they are real, are the most milquetoast, ineffective, and lazy activist organization I've ever seen, and frankly they suck, or they're very obviously feds.
	Seems that way to me.
	Anyway, let's talk about New Zealand's native science, which you can imagine the wokists love and venerate, and think that this is the equivalent of actual science.
	It's called Maturanga.
	Have you ever heard of this?
	No, I haven't.
	I'm going to...
	There's no reason you should have done it.
	I'm going to assume this is all going to be very hippy-dippy spiritual nonsense.
	Well, it's tribal...
	Nonsense.
	Oh, okay.
	So, in fact, we'll go through it.
	So this is just from sciencelearn.org.newzealand.
	Mataranga Maori is a modern term for the combined knowledge of Polynesian ancestors and the experiences of Maori living in the environment of Eotora, which is Maori from New Zealand.
	The term takes many forms, such as language, education, traditional environmental knowledge, and traditional knowledge of cultural practice, such as healings and medicines, fishing, and cultivation.
	So this is just tribal customs bound up into one sort of overarching...
	What they call body of knowledge.
	And it is, in a way, it is actually a sort of body of knowledge, but it's local, parochial, particular, and centralized on New Zealand, right?
	So you couldn't take this somewhere else and apply these principles and get the same results because it's not science, right?
	Yeah.
	It's a set of traditions.
	It's a set of traditions and cultures and customs for a particular people in a particular time in a particular place, right?
	Not science, frankly.
	There's the opposite of science, which is, you know, universal, empirical, and not bound to any one time or place.
	You know, science is true whether you like it or not.
	And science is always seeking to refute itself, whereas traditions are always seeking to propagate themselves.
	Yeah, reinforce themselves.
	Exactly correct, right.
	And so they say in the traditional sense, Maturanga Maori refers to the knowledge, comprehension, and understanding of everything visible, invisible, that exists within the universe.
	And so this is their customary tribal knowledge.
	There has been some debate as to whether Mataranga Maori can be referred to as Maori science.
	It can't.
	It's the Maori worldview you could refer to as, but it's not science.
	Some suggest that it is not science.
	Science and Mataranga Maori do not seem to do the same thing, as you've rightly pointed out.
	Mataranga Maori is knowledge knowing about such things, such as preparing poisonous kaka berries for eating.
	Science is about finding out why and how things happen.
	Such as how and why the berries are poisonous and how preparation removes the poison.
	So it's not a science, but it is a framework for a native tribe to live within New Zealand.
	And I'm not adverse to these frameworks.
	Sounds useful for them.
	Exactly.
	And it sounds like an interesting thing if you're a visitor.
	If you're an anthropologist looking to study different cultures.
	Or just a person who wants to experience, you know, like these are sort of what Steve Hughes called the sort of cosmic people, right?
	They don't distinguish between the real world and the spiritual world.
	It all blurs into one for them.
	And so, you know, this is a way of existing as a human that's interesting.
	I don't want it to disappear or anything, and I'm sure it'd be interesting to spend a weekend hearing about how they view the world.
	You know, that'd be fascinating.
	But it's not science.
	So Maturanga Maori is a knowledge base in its own right.
	It's Maori knowledge in values and culture, which is different from modern science, again, as this...
	Science Learn Hub says it belongs to the particular tribe and should remain under control, and it should be protected.
	It's a cultural product of an indigenous tribe.
	I agree.
	Leave them alone too, right?
	Why is the New Zealand Ministry of Business promoting it as a science?
	Weird, isn't it?
	We understand that Maori success is New Zealand's success, and that unlocking the science and innovation potential of Maori knowledge, people, and resources will benefit New Zealand.
	So, again, it feels kind of imperial, right?
	That sounds like exploitation to me.
	It does, doesn't it?
	You know, the imperial world controllers of New Zealand.
	Maori success is their success.
	Leave them alone.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's my point, my idea on this whole thing.
	Exactly.
	They're currently preparing berries so they're not poisonous.
	Let them be.
	You know, there's nothing wrong with it.
	But anyway, for this reason, we've embedded our vision Mataranga policy across all priority investment areas.
	So this is going to unlock the science potential, blah, blah, blah.
	And it's to use science and innovation, use the science and innovation system to help unlock the potential of Maori knowledge, people and resources for the benefit of New Zealand.
	To recognize Maori as important partners in science and innovation.
	Maybe.
	Both as intergenerational guardians of significant natural resources and indigenous knowledge, and owners and builders and managers of commercial assets, to build the capacity, capability, sorry, of Maori individuals, businesses, corporations, trusts, and various words I'm not familiar with, in order to engage in science and innovation and to maximize the quality of relationship between the Maori and the crown.
	Through the science and innovation, through the Treaty of, again, words I can't pronounce.
	But they're not the only ones.
	The Environmental Protection Authority in New Zealand is doing the same thing.
	Maturanga has its own unique characteristics, which are as valid as, but different from, other knowledge systems, including science, according to this document.
	Well, once again, it's...
	Gov.New Zealand.
	Well, well done, New Zealand government.
	Another home run.
	You're hitting them out of the park recently.
	However, some disregard Maturanga because they perceive it as, quote, myth and legend, fantastic and implausible.
	Can't really argue.
	If you're not a Maturangan...
	Well, a Maori.
	Maturangan is the knowledge system.
	It's embedded with things like, oh, the river god does this.
	The rain god does that.
	The forest god does the other.
	Now, again, I'm in no way interested in taking away the customs and traditions of the Maori from the Maori, but it's not science!
	Government of New Zealand?
	Don't know why I have to say that.
	It's not as valid as science for knowledge collection either.
	Again, not really a big fan of science myself.
	Kind of having a big long-running argument with Josh in the office about why science is evil and we need to abolish it.
	And I would quite happily choose Maturanga over science, but it's not science.
	It's just the case that it's not science.
	In fact, Mataranga includes knowledge generated using techniques consistent with the scientific approach.
	Really?
	Tell me how you've scientifically identified that the rain god causes the rains.
	I'm all ears.
	Mataranga pertains to a universal phenomenon of life experienced by all living beings, not only to knowledge specific to human beings.
	It makes no distinction between spiritual and material worlds, this peak science here, which are conceived of as constantly interacting with each other.
	This is not scientific, right?
	And a bunch of academics at the University of Auckland in New Zealand pointed out, well, hang on a second.
	I mean, that's all well and good.
	But we're not going to be building rockets using Mataranga.
	Tell me when these guys have figured out the combustion engine.
	Then maybe they're participating in something that could be called science.
	Yeah, again, as Steve Hughes pointed out, these are cosmic people.
	And honestly, in my dotage, I'm finding this very appealing as a sort of aesthetic phenomenon.
	Caveman Carl coming out here.
	Yes, absolutely.
	I'm not even objecting to that, but it's not science.
	But anyway, this was controversial back earlier this year, because their objection was that they're introducing Mataranga on the science courses in universities as the equivalent of science.
	The main objection...
	You sign up for a university course to do science.
	Nope.
	And you're getting taught about the river gods.
	Yep.
	No, you got a degree in Mataranga physics.
	The main objection is that this particular description is part of a new course, which promotes discussion and analysis of the ways in which science has been used to support the dominance of Eurocentric views, among which...
	It's used as a rationale for the colonization of Maori and the suppression of Maori knowledge.
	And the notion that science is a Western European invention is itself evidence of European dominance over Maori and other indigenous peoples.
	I think science being evidence of any kind of dominance is just that those more scientifically advanced nations were able to build bigger empires.
	I'd say that's enough evidence as it is.
	Maybe you should point out that science didn't begin in Europe.
	Yeah, that's also a good point.
	Science began a long, long time before there was anything in Europe other than fur-wearing barbarians.
	But anyway, the academics say that although indigenous knowledge may play some role in the preservation of local practices and management and policy, which is completely true, because what they're talking about is the generative engine of Maori culture, right?
	Maturanga is an umbrella term for a body of knowledge and practices and customs.
	In the same way that English propriety is in England, right?
	The crown and The various institutions, like the police, the courts, and various other things.
	Like, it's all underpinned by a kind of English culture that we could just describe as what is proper for England.
	And this is essentially what is proper for the Maori.
	And I actually totally respect that.
	Fine, that's...
	As long as they're not doing anything like killing babies or sacrifice, if it helps to keep them all alive and they're all living meaningful lives in their own way, then why not just leave them alone?
	Exactly.
	Great question.
	Why do we have to appropriate it?
	That's the question, isn't it?
	But this is like the world controllers of Brave New World.
	The reason they want to do this is to essentially homogenize New Zealand, right?
	Because at the moment you've got two tribes of people, the Europeans and the Maori.
	And they're like, yeah, but no, this is unacceptable.
	We've got to merge these together.
	So you've got to accept that the Maturanga claims of the Maori are equal to science in order for them to merge.
	And that's what they're trying to do by bringing this together.
	But anyway, they have failed by pointing out, well look, this may be good for the Maori, for the culture, which it is, but it falls far short of being what can be defined as science itself, obviously.
	And of course, it should not be accepted as an equivalent to science.
	It may help, but it's not a science.
	That's true.
	But anyway, so this was reported on by a blog called whyevolutionistrue.com and they are not happy because as far as they're concerned, this has been Pushed in by Wokists.
	I mean...
	Color me surprised.
	I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.
	Yeah, this is obviously...
	I mean, they say, right, that other ways of knowing, which is pure post-colonial, specifically wokeism.
	Yep, that's exactly it.
	And so they say, here's an email I got the other day from a biology colleague in New Zealand.
	Now the New Zealand government is trying to insert something called Mataranga into science courses.
	Mataranga means the knowledge system of the Maori, includes reference to various gods.
	Tain, the god of the forest, is said to be the creator of humans.
	Peak science.
	And, of course, not correct.
	It's actually the god of the Bible, created humans, Adam and Eve.
	Duh.
	Obviously, bro.
	Why do we have to go over this again?
	The man in the sails, boys!
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Sorry.
	That's wrong.
	It's not Tain, the god of the forest, let me tell you.
	But, yeah, so evolution, out of the window.
	Peak science.
	Rain happens when the goddess Papa Tanaku sheds tears.
	Obviously true.
	Duh.
	How do we know when she's going to be crying?
	Well, that's a great question.
	We don't.
	Maori tried to claim that they have always been scientists.
	So when they say Maori, what these are are westernized Maori intellectuals who have been through the university system, done these post-colonial and critical theory studies, and come out saying, right, Western culture is not valid, Maori culture is valid, and we've got theoretical arguments in order to support Maori.
	Not the arguments of the rain god, but the arguments as to why the West shouldn't be able to compare our epistemological methods to theirs.
	These sound like the sorts of people who don't recognize that in doing that, they have probably become what they would consider to be corrupted by Western culture.
	Yeah.
	I think they view it as using the master's tools to dismantle the master's house.
	Essentially, this is raw ethno-nationalism.
	It just sounds like it.
	It very much is.
	Their political demand is that Mataranga must be acknowledged as the equal of Western science, and without this, Maori children will continue to fail at science in school.
	So, okay, well, I don't have a commentary on that, but I don't think that it is the equal of Western science when it comes to knowledge acquisition.
	One rationalisation for this is that they are the indigenous people of New Zealand and that their knowledge deserves respect.
	It is a very messy situation and the group of science academics of various stripes are engaged in fighting a rearguard action against this.
	They wrote a letter to the listener, a weekly publication of Reasonable Respectability, in which they made the claim that Mataranga was not science and had no place in science courses, which should be fairly uncontroversial, but the kickback against them was astonishing with some 2,000 academics around New Zealand signing a petition condemning them.
	I didn't even realise there were 2,000 academics in New Zealand.
	Just a joke.
	Further, the Royal Society of New Zealand is taking two of the academics involved to task with the likely outcome of their dismissal from the society.
	They have, of course, been abused of racism.
	Of course.
	Wokeism is well underway here.
	yeah that sounds like it so this is of course completely consistent with intersectional social justice science is a white construct because it's a product of european thought which means they've tried to localize science and ethnicize it to europeans because the enlightenment was a localized phenomenon in europe and produced a rationalistic analysis of everything and so they think that if a non-european does science then it's essentially like a form of cultural appropriation right it
	It'd be like a European sacrificing captives of war Aztec style.
	To appease the sun god, to make sure the sun rises the next day.
	Even if you want to take that framing of it, it's like, okay, you're doing science, you're probably going to improve certain standards of living.
	I don't care if you're appropriating my culture, if you want to look at it as my culture.
	Feel free.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	But the point is that there are demonstrable results from science that transcend all cultures, right?
	Yeah.
	Like, women being able to survive birth, for instance.
	Yes, and this is part of the sort of universal man phenomenon that I've talked about before.
	But anyway, they send a screenshot of the letter, and it's a pretty standard defense of the sciences as a rationalistic enterprise that is available to all rational beings.
	Again, this is like Kant's Kingdom of Ends, in which any rational legislator can become a moral legislator.
	It's exactly the same principle where, and it is something that came out of Europe, but it is not confined to Europe.
	It is essentially the supremacy of reason.
	And so anyone who can use reason can become a scientist.
	They say, you know, they're looking for the discovery of empirical universal truths and coming up against the parochial particular native culture of the Maori.
	And so this is being framed as a tribal culture, the tribe of the Europeans and the tribe of the Maori at odds.
	Anyway, I don't want to go through it in too much detail because we're out of time, but this is, as you can imagine, something that the wokists are using to persecute these rationalistic scientists for not being culturally sensitive to the Maoris.
	I think you can...
	Describe it as.
	And so a panel was set up to investigate the signatories of this open letter, denouncing a one Professor Cooper, who had to be replaced.
	And so all five complainants were anonymous, and then the society made them identify themselves.
	Three fell by the wayside, as in rescinded their position.
	But two remain in an investigation is proceeding apace with a panel that is essentially turning into a cultish trial that's judging these defenders of science for taking part in an ethnic attack on the New Zealand natives.
	This literally sounds like some kind of religious persecutors manning the Inquisition against science.
	You can't say that the Earth revolves around the Sun.
	Yes, Galileo.
	Yes.
	How dare you?
	That's literally...
	But it's being framed in the language of wokeness and this is an ethnic attack by white people against Aboriginals.
	And it's like, well...
	Not really.
	And why would...
	I mean, if that's the case, how is it not an ethnic attack when the Aboriginals insist on having their own, like, you know, native knowledge systems imposed on university science courses?
	Yeah, when they have no place.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I agree that if you're talking about the aesthetic culture of the Maori, then sure, you can say that science has got no place there.
	But by converse logic, then they have no place in the science.
	Surely they accept that what they're participating in is not science.
	That's the point.
	But anyway, so the University of Auckland has disavowed these academics, obviously.
	And honestly, it's really weird how the whole thing is just so insufferably woke.
	But a few quotes from the letter that was written by the president of the Psychological Society, I think it is.
	I can't pronounce this.
	They say, See, critical studies coming into this.
	We also wish to express our support and aroa for those who were and continue to be negatively affected by the letter's content.
	We know that the letter is not subject to the established protocols of rigor and peer review and such.
	Appealing to science.
	Weird.
	The contents reflect opinion, not science.
	So it's not scientific to point out that something that involves river gods is not scientific.
	Amazing.
	Very rigorous.
	Yeah, if only we had a science to appeal to.
	But the, I mean, the University of Auckland academics should be like, yeah, but the river god told us it was this way.
	Prove us wrong, you know?
	Checkmate.
	Yeah.
	But anyway, in reviewing the letter, it's readily apparent that racist tropes are used alongside comets typical of moral panic to justify the exclusion of Maori knowledge as a legitimate science.
	So unless you accept Maori knowledge about the tears of the rain goddess falling to the earth, you're a racist.
	What moral panic is there by just going...
	Well, science is kind of an established thing, sorry.
	Well, because it's going to undermine science, frankly.
	I guess that's the moral panic.
	But the point is, the fangs are in and the critical theorists are biting down hard, appealing to science to justify the subversion of science.
	The irony.
	How could anyone go along with this, right?
	But anyway, they further add that science itself does not colonize, while acknowledging that it has been used to a colonization.
	This is similar to saying guns don't kill people, people kill people.
	But it's also true.
	Yes.
	Science doesn't colonize.
	People colonize.
	Guns don't kill people.
	People kill people.
	Any more questions?
	And they complain, finish by complaining about the white savior trope.
	This is where the Maori are told which elements of our indigenous knowledge is important and to whom.
	Well, from the perspective of a European, that's all they can do, because it's not their knowledge, is it?
	And so if you've got something that is scientifically true inside of a tradition, and I believe that traditions can contain things that are empirically and scientifically true, and this is one of the values of tradition, in fact.
	Let me get on my Burkean high horse defending the Maori knowledge system.
	But the writers speaking for the Maori offer the opinion, So, as I said, right?
	They're defending a tribal culture by defending their method of creating their own knowledge, knowledge which is not really knowledge as science would recognize it, but it is a kind of cultural, sort of thick ethical knowledge that is rooted in a time and place and specific to a particular people.
	But by this standard, by a non-mythological standard, Set by rationalist politics is from where science grows, which makes it universal.
	So these two things are incompatible.
	One is science and the other certainly isn't.
	Alright, let's move on to the video comments then.
	Hey guys, really sorry to hear about Welsh segregation, but it makes perfect sense when you consider it's my lot that's in charge over there.
	We had an event about a month ago talking about helping black enterprises and entrepreneurs.
	When I asked the candid question, what you do to stop against the charge of tokenism?
	Their answer was, is that you make sure you enforce the tokenism.
	So they really don't care about people on the ground.
	They're only doing these kind of things to feather out their own careers and make a profile for themselves.
	Yeah, I mean, once again, intersectional wokeism, you could refer to it as, always tends to be an absolute hodgepodge of contradictions to opposing goals that have to sort of work in conjunction with one another.
	So we don't want tokenism, but at the same time, to achieve that, we're going to have to tokenize people.
	Well, I just love it.
	It's like, what are you going to do about tokenism?
	Yes.
	Chad, yes.
	Yeah, okay, if that's where you're going with this.
	Right.
	Also, I'm sorry that you're Welsh, or living there.
	If Islam is the religion of peace, why is there no peace in the Middle East?
	Great question.
	Well, didn't Islam as a religion of peace get coined by George W. Bush?
	I don't actually know where the phrase comes from.
	Do me a favor, fact-check me on this in the comments, guys.
	Because I'm reasonably sure it is George Bush that coined this, because Islam has never professed to be peaceful prior to that, as I'm aware.
	Islam, as far as my very rudimentary knowledge goes, has always been quite a warmongering religion in the past.
	Warlike, shall we say.
	Yeah, warlike.
	It takes pride in the manly virtue of...
	Of conquering and war.
	And in previous eras, this was something that we took pride in as well, which is why we ended up with a massive empire.
	And so, yeah, I mean, I don't know if Muslims call themselves a religion of peace.
	Oh yeah, 2001, Islam is peace.
	So there we go.
	It wasn't Muslims who said that.
	And I don't see why they would.
	Because, I mean, jihad is an inherent part.
	And it's called the lesser jihad.
	And all of the fundamentalist Islamists over in the Middle East, they don't seem to care that much about peace, do they?
	I've never heard many humanitarian speeches coming out of those neck of the woods.
	Yeah, and at the end of the day, I would rather have...
	I can more respect...
	The Muslim preacher who's like, well, we're going to wage war until we win.
	And be like, okay, well, at least we know what we're dealing with.
	Yeah.
	Well, we'll just have to beat you then.
	Yeah.
	Dear Conservative Party, I realise that you're in your ivory tower and you don't care about the concerns of us plebs, but we are really hating what the police of this country are doing.
	You are the ones in charge.
	please could you do something about it?
	Yes, a view from inside the cabinet right there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Thirsty mermaids.
	Pictures of trans men.
	Fat and queer.
	The Starlight Lancer by CS Cooper.
	The new queer conscious.
	And beyond non-binary.
	And they swear it's not a fetish.
	One of these things is not like the others.
	I don't see any difference between any of them.
	Also, that's basically like walking into Waterstones nowadays in the UK. Yeah, I know.
	It's insufferable, isn't it?
	Yes.
	So at the minute, I'm just about coming home from a walk, and I'd like to ask why did it take this long?
	I recorded this video in advance to see how long it would take just for someone to suggest an idea to VJ Chi.
	And that is how best to communicate so we can all collab with each other, as you all want to.
	I mean, it's not like there's a Discord called TheSaltans of Shadley, which also has a YouTube political podcast that's easy to find, where everyone currently at the recording of now, everyone in the video comments other than currently unnamed DJ Chi and Sophie are all just there and communicate with each other.
	You're all stupid.
	Okay, well, if you are interested in getting involved more in the community, well, follow that.
	Yeah, there we go.
	Tony D and Little Joan inviting you, Callum, and the rest of the Lotus Eaters.
	The next time you're in America and you'd like to see New Jersey, please come by and visit.
	You'll enjoy accommodations in my spare bedroom, such that it is depressing but clean.
	And you'll enjoy my fridge, which has some food in it.
	But most of all, you'll enjoy petting Little Joan and seeing the Pine Barrens.
	So come on down, Lotus Eaters.
	I'll see you in New Jersey.
	We'd love to, but, I mean, I haven't been vaccinated.
	And neither have I. And America requires for you to go there to be vaccinated.
	Is it still?
	Could I not just get into, like, Florida or somewhere and then just drive?
	No, I don't know.
	I'd have to check.
	But overall, I think, generally, you have to.
	And I'm not doing it, so I can't go.
	Yeah, we'll just have to see how that all ends up working out.
	I would love to.
	But if we get to the point where we do, then I'd be more than happy to take up your offer.
	Do any of you men have any eggs or the possibility of carrying a fetus?
	How dare you...
	Oh, okay.
	I guess that's a transphobic rant by Whoopi Goldberg.
	Yeah, I mean, I've seen that as, once again, the contradiction of, if you're intersectional, you can go on about this if it's, like, in regards to abortion or anything like that, but then you can also immediately just switch straight over to this brave trans man in their birthing pool as they're about to give birth to a beautiful baby.
	Hmm.
	Anyway, S.H. Silver says, Interesting that Trump is only being mentioned by the defense, but other names being named from the victims and prosecution aren't being repeated.
	Unfortunately, it's doubtful anyone else will be going down for this trial aside from Maxwell.
	She'll take the fall to protect the other rich and powerful sickos.
	Who knows?
	Typer Fett says, If the parents did not know what was going on with Epstein, at the very least you can say they chose not to examine the situation with the eye of the parent.
	Probably true.
	Robert says, Um...
	That's a good way of looking at the whole interdimensional claim.
	Yeah, there is a sense in which it's true.
	They do live in a different reality, where it's, you know, traveling around the world to, like, little islands of self-ownership, right?
	Because, you know, Epstein gets on his plane.
	It's his private plane.
	He arrives at an airport, gets driven to, you know, a mansion somewhere, and he's never interacted with the world outside of this mansion, really.
	So he has to, like, you know, go out and find, you know, the girls or whatever.
	It's all very, like...
	It's like a country on top of all of the other countries.
	Yes, I think they are certainly placing themselves in a position above the rest of us, at least as far as they're concerned.
	Anthony says, Wasn't James Comey the one that Trump actually fired?
	Yeah, I think he did, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Taffy says he had deep connections, that is deep state connections.
	Surprised, really, as having any doubt on the Clintons usually results in you committing suicide a lot quicker.
	Yeah.
	Omar says, as far as I'm concerned, if anything substantive were going to come out of the Maxwell trial, she would have been Epstein'd already.
	The level of power in possession of those implicated means there was never any chance of a just outcome unless someone of equal or greater power wanted it that way.
	Well, the thing is, I mean, if these allegations are true, and there are multiple girls making essentially the same allegations, then it seems that it's true.
	Like, it seems that this is the case.
	And that's not always the best tactic to go with, because you could also point to the Me Too pylons where it might have just been people opportunistic.
	But at the same time, I don't see the same level of personal capital to be gained from coming out against Maxwell and Epstein.
	You know, whereas somebody in Hollywood who was embedded in it and knew what was going on could make a killing coming out and be like, oh, I was a victim of this or that.
	These people don't have that same incentive because they're coming out and talking about, you know.
	Yeah, they're not.
	They're not in public figures in the same way.
	Not really, yeah.
	I mean, Epstein and Maxwell are very private and secretive with their private lives.
	So anyway, Student of History says, Well, you know what?
	Epstein wasn't from a rich family.
	Was he self-made?
	He was.
	Probably through being a pedophile trafficker.
	He was a math teacher who somehow became friends with Lex...
	Lex Luthor?
	No, no, no.
	The guy.
	The Victoria's Secret guy.
	Oh, yeah.
	Wexner.
	Leslie Wexner.
	And then he magically made a massive fortune somehow.
	So it's not that he came from inherited privilege.
	Maxwell did, though.
	I wasn't aware of his origin story, you could say.
	So that really does raise some questions as to how was it that he managed to embed himself as so useful?
	Well, that's the question.
	How did he get so much money?
	Like, no one knows.
	yeah but uh anyway so uh yeah um so apparently ryan says the ceo of barclays global stepped down due to his relationship to a client epstein management are keen to brush it all under the rug with vague language what a surprise for a company that prides itself on his work agenda i i haven't had time to check out any of the connections yet but it's definitely something i'd like us to look into Yes.
	Now, the comments for Patriot Front.
	Yeah, so David Ferguson says that Patriot Front is identifying based on community, family, nation, and race.
	That sends up immediate red flags for me.
	No right-wing group identifies based on race.
	That's true.
	You can say that there are elements of the more reactionary rights that seem to take themselves in a more collective direction.
	Mentality, which is where I personally kind of see some of the horseshoe coming around where the far right and the far left end up collectivizing themselves.
	Well, there's an interesting contradiction between nation and race here, right?
	Because a nation is a specific ethnic group that has a shared history, but that doesn't mean a shared race.
	And it also, I mean, like, you know, what's the difference between, like, Scandinavian people?
	Like Danes, Norwegians, and Swedes.
	What's the difference?
	Virtually none from a non-Scandinavian perspective.
	They seem to be the same race as far as I can see, but they're not the same nation, you know?
	And so nation is not equivalent with race.
	And often, in fact, race is a kind of thing that supersedes nation.
	And so, like, why would you?
	Nation seems to be enough, right?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	I mean, generally speaking, especially these American organizations on the right always tend to be very, very clear with America.
	They don't use vague slogans like our nation.
	They say America.
	We are proud Americans.
	And that's why you get the Proud Boys, who are probably one of the most racially diverse organizations out there, all being able to say, well, you know, I'm black, I'm white, I'm blah, blah, but we're all Americans.
	That's the thing, because, I mean, the critical theorists were charged, well, America is essentially a nation built on an ideology.
	Sure, but that's not a nation built on a race, then, is it?
	Very few nations are built on race.
	That's the thing.
	And let's be honest, it seems to have been a pretty good ideology, all things considered, up until about 20, 30 years ago when all the institutions started to get subverted.
	But William White says, W.R.T. Patriot Front.
	As a retired 33-year federal employee, that little speech sounded very much like government speak.
	It really did, didn't it?
	As does everything else they have to say about themselves.
	I mean, when we were looking at the website, everything is very well spaced and very well spelt and clean-looking.
	It's manufactured.
	It's very corporate.
	Very corporate.
	Tai Buffett should be easy for journalists or law enforcement to identify people if they compare U-Haul license plates with whoever rented them, or find out who ordered hundreds of the same masks, clothes, shields, etc.
	Should be easy to find, right?
	Great point to make, but once again, they don't seem to be particularly interested in looking into that.
	Should be almost impossible to keep secret to anyone who's actually able to dig into this.
	Yeah, I mean, weren't they using super amazingly advanced technology and methods to track down some of the people who you could only get a side view of from January 6th?
	But with these guys, as far as I can tell so far, I mean, they've been active since at least July in terms of going out and marching.
	No one seems to care.
	I'm just wondering if the FBI have actually finally managed to radicalise themselves by posing in enough right-wing parts.
	You know what?
	We've got a good point here.
	Yeah, guys, I think we may be making a few good points.
	Matthew Hammond, should we start looking for federal agents in all extremist groups that have public protests?
	Yes.
	I would say absolutely you should.
	I forget what his name is.
	Chris, not Chris Moyles, was the radio presenter.
	The guy who did Four Lions and Brass Eye.
	Callum pointed out his clip he did from a while ago.
	Where it's basically the FBI will find some random dude, give him, say, we'll give you $200,000 if you do this stupid terrorist plot, and then let him do that and arrest him and go, see?
	Combating terrorism.
	Well, this is what they did with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.
	Oh yeah, it was the FBI who was behind it, weren't they?
	Oh Christ.
	Cindy J says, a couple of Patriot podcasters who are veterans I listen to came across this group and rejected them immediately and warned their listeners that this group gloat.
	And yeah, that is a point that I forgot to make in the segment actually, which is I would not be surprised if the FBI has a number of these groups active at any one particular time, just setting stuff up in advance, like the way that we could see that Patriot Front has four years' worth of activity on their telegram,
	just so that when they eventually do want to do a false flag operation like this, that it's easier for them to have some level of plausibility behind it, so that they can go, no, look, see, we were already active, you just hadn't heard of us yet.
	So I wouldn't be surprised if that's something the FBI take part in on a day-to-day basis.
	Anthony says, when was the last time conservatives in the US voluntarily wore masks?
	Obvious false flag.
	Good point.
	Henry Ashman says, there's a difference between having a group uniform and looking like you all got a bulk order discount on all the same gear.
	Even though Antifa all wear black, it's not like everyone turning up wearing identical unbranded black tops.
	Once again, a great point.
	That is a great point, yeah.
	Because, I mean, with Antifa...
	such weird shapes and sizes yes and it's all just like at home get some black clothes cover yourself in you know black clothes and then turn up so they all are wearing black but it's not like the same order that came through from amazon you know yeah m1 ping maga maga trump q anon anyone know of any insurrections coming up Fed's at the grassroots rallies, probably.
	Yeah, it's probably just a, hello, fellow patriots.
	Yeah, that's exactly how this is.
	Drew Doomhand, I've heard about this group a couple of years ago, even if they were formed for a couple of years, that doesn't mean it's not some kind of government trap.
	My analysis is simply FedBlog.
	Yeah, it really seems like it, doesn't it?
	S.H. Silver says there's a surprising lack of overweight boomers in pickup trucks in this supposed Patriot Rally.
	A lot of trim, fresh out of college men.
	Exactly my point as well.
	Do you want to move on to...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So Henry says, there's an easy world to tell whether Maturanga Maori is a science.
	Do they pay a tithe to Dr.
	Fauci as the Holy Pope of science?
	If not, then they don't have a license to be science.
	Good point.
	Good point, yeah.
	And Henry again, I'm getting some serious, but how does the shaman summon the lightning vibes with this Maori knowledge?
	That's exactly it.
	You know, how can you justify the rain goddess in this nonsense?
	You have upset the rain goddess.
	That is why it is crying.
	It's such obvious nonsense.
	Anthony says, cultural knowledge can be hugely beneficial as long as it's nested in the framework of science.
	Well, I mean, sure, but, like, it's nothing to do with science, really.
	That's the thing.
	It's...
	I mean, you could say that traditions that are successful carry on through a process of elimination which could be tangentially connected to a sort of form of long-form science that goes through collective cultures.
	But you can't call it science.
	It's not to say they don't have knowledge.
	They do have knowledge.
	And it's not to say that this knowledge is invaluable.
	It obviously is in New Zealand.
	As you say, this contributes to them being able to thrive in that environment.
	And it's a sort of Bayesian iterative process where they arrive at, here's a bunch of traditions that have been informed by generations of trial and error, basically.
	Much in the same way that Burke's talking about the inherited traditions of Britain.
	They have knowledge embedded within them.
	Totally true, but it's not science.
	It's like what you're saying as well in terms of there are elements within these traditions that are scientifically provable, like they know which berries are poisonous and how to remove that poison.
	They probably just couldn't tell you why it is exactly that they know that in scientific terms.
	Yes.
	White Hot Pepper says, Can't
	wait for my Mataranga vaccine.
	That's kind of a great point as well, actually, because you go to a university so you can acquire universal knowledge, not knowledge that is very specific to one particular place and one particular tradition in one time.
	Absolutely.
	It's not science.
	I'm not saying it's not valuable, though.
	I think these sort of local cultural traditions and customs are valuable.
	I think the richness of the human experience is what we're talking about, but it's not science.
	And there's no reason it has to be claimed as science.
	It's kind of embarrassing.
	Well, they're like, no, you know, our local traditions are science.
	It's like, why would you want them to be?
	Yeah, how weak has science as an institution become?
	But no, no, no, not just that.
	What I mean is, like, how cringe is that from...
	No, no, from the perspective of the natives themselves.
	They'll be like, what, you're saying that our traditions are universal traditions?
	You want to unlock our traditions for the rest of the world?
	No, the ours go away?
	Yes.
	Like, I'm the sort of little Maori-ist...
	You know, Little England, a version of the Maori, it's like, no, go away.
	You know, the borders of New Zealand end of New Zealand.
	Go away, foreigners.
	You know, that's how I'd be looking at it from the Maori perspective.
	Yeah.
	Paul says, racially informed science.
	How a national socialist.
	Free Will says, of course the woke would persecute rational scientists.
	They are not woke themselves, but the modern day witchfinder generals look for heretics to metaphorically burn.
	That's true.
	Drew says, you know what's interesting?
	I saw a small video on Twitter that showed a group of people doing what looked like a Maori war dancer in protest to New Zealand's harsh vaccine mandates.
	I wonder if this is a state trying to appropriate Maori culture.
	It is definitely the state trying to appropriate Maori culture.
	That's the thing.
	Because I'm all for Maori war dancers in protest to New Zealand's mandates.
	Have you seen that clip?
	No, but it sounds based.
	I did see that clip.
	It was awesome.
	It's all these buff, topless dudes just going...
	Like, leave us alone, government.
	Yeah, let's do it, you know?
	That's the kind of energy I want to see, you know?
	So, yeah, I'm totally in favor of these, like, local tribes and stuff.
	But it's not science, and there's no reason we have to pretend it's science.
	It's something that's better than science.
	It's something unique and special and beautiful, you know?
	It's...
	Science is very cold and mechanical and feelingless, and it's not human.
	That's fundamentally the point of science.
	And I don't really care.
	Science is useful as a tool, but it's not a way of life, and it shouldn't.
	Josh, I hope you're listening.
	I was going to say, I feel like Josh should be sat here during this section.
	It's not a way of life, and it shouldn't be.
	So anyway, Charlie says, Is it possible that Patriot front is a false flag from Antifa?
	No, they're all way too good shape for Antifa.
	Maybe they need to drum up fear and a far-right menace to keep themselves relevant.
	Yeah, I mean, they're definitely doing that, but it's not Antifa doing that.
	Don't trust bureaucrats to solve the problems that they're paid to solve.
	Just put it like that.
	If you're paid to solve these problems, you'll find a lot of these problems for a very long time.
	Uh, Jimbo says, there needs to be a follow the science hacker.
	Uh, yes, basically.
	Um, S.H. Silver says, uh, oh no, sorry, Baron of a Warhawk says, nice try FBI, but we can spot the signs a mile away.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Because it's too organized and too uniform gives away what it is most planned, what, what it most planned right wing rallies have their fair share of misfits, old folks, fatties, some people of color and some women.
	Plus their white mask looks like KKK hood.
	The symbol, their symbol is fiasco, uh, fiasco.
	Fascio.
	Fascio, yeah.
	No true grassroots movements, left or right, would want to associate themselves with the KKK or the fascist party.
	Not even Chernobyl glows as bright as those glowing feds.
	I'd agree with that.
	And with that, it looks like we're about out of time.
	So thanks very, very much for tuning in.
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