Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the podcast of the Lotus Eaters for Friday the 18th of December 2020.
It's Friday and it's nearly Christmas.
Before we start, you can go over to lotuseaters.com and check out all of the wonderful content we have over there.
People have been asking me what book I will be doing for the next book club, which will be out next week, and it will be The Rule of Law by Lord Thomas Bigham.
For anyone who doesn't know, Lord Bingham is a highly respected English judge.
Died, I think, four years ago, something like that.
But he had written a book about the rule of law because it's actually kind of hard to define.
But I won't get into it now.
You'll be able to see the book club.
When I get to it.
But the important thing, I think, really, especially if you're interested in, I guess, the traditions of the English-speaking world, the rule of law comes out of our traditions, and it's important how it connects to where we are now, which is why I've chosen this book.
But it'll be up next week.
It'll be very good.
You can see it by becoming a member on Notices.com.
But anyway, Callum, did you know there has been a major win for free speech in the United Kingdom?
I did not.
This is good news, isn't it?
What's going on?
I know.
That's unusual.
Have a white pill.
Not just an abstract thing either, right?
This is directly tied to our interests as people who make jokes on the internet.
A UK court, two judges, have in fact said that we have a natural right to offend.
That's good news.
That's great.
So this comes from two judges after a particular...
I'll get into the details of the investigation in a minute.
But Lord Justice Bean and Mr Justice Warby ruled that free speech encompasses the right to offend and indeed abuse another.
Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not worth having.
This is a very correct and principled position.
I'm very happy with it.
They said it would be serious interference with the right of free speech if those wishing to express their own views could be silenced or threatened with proceedings for harassment based on subjective claims by individuals that felt offended or insulted.
We're going to get to how that is exactly what the UK law is at the moment in a bit.
The judgement could have far-reaching implications for officers seeking to bring charges over That's us.
Now, the reason that I brought up that I'm going to be doing a book club on the rule of law is because this is directly tied to what's happening now.
Because it turns out that all of our constitutionalism and all of the things that we consider important, like habeas corpus, the Bill of Rights, all of this, A lot of these came out of legal actions and decisions that were made by judges to interpret the law and essentially set precedent, because common law is evolutionary.
It's incremental.
It's not revolutionary.
It's not dictated from an abstract set of principles and applied society.
And honestly, that's why it's better than the continental canon system.
But it's also the reason that this is so important, because this can be the turning point in the battle of free speech.
Now we have a legal judgment That is in favour on our side.
We can now campaign for that and hopefully get the law changed, which is what happened in previous eras.
So fingers crossed we can make something happen with this.
But anyway, so this was the result of a mother of two called Kate Scottow, 40 from Hitchin in Hertz, Hartfisher, who was found guilty in February under an obscure part of the Communications Act 2003.
Following Twitter exchanges with a trans woman who reported her to police when Miss Scotto called for a racist and a pig in a wig and referred to her as a man.
I'm not trying to laugh.
But since the judge says it's okay for me to laugh...
Excuse me, police!
Someone on the Twitter's calling me a pig in a wig!
Honestly, is that where we are?
That's where we are, right?
That's where we have been for at least, what is it, 17 years now?
About that, yeah.
Um...
Someone call me a man on Twitter, I'd do something.
This guy is so pathetic.
This person is the one, Stephanie Hayden, a lawyer from Wembley.
Now this is important because obviously being a lawyer makes her very litigious.
A lawyer from Wembley obtained a gender recognition certificate in 2017 that recognizes her as a woman in law and doubtless protects her from things like male pattern baldness and stuff like this.
That's another joke that I'm making because I think I'm legally immune.
Um...
But anyway, Ms Hayden reported Ms Scotto to the police in December 2018, and Ms Scotto was subsequently arrested, kept in police custody for 11 hours, away from her 20-month-old son, who is still being breastfed, and also has a daughter who is on the autistic spectrum and was 10 at the time of the arrest.
So, I mean, that's pretty heavy-handed for Twitter exchanges.
Ridiculous, obviously.
Totally against what I would consider the natural rights of Englishmen, but that's only because I'm one of those old fuddy-duddy constitutionalists who cares about these things.
But anyway, so in the initial court case, after this was brought, Ms.
Scottow was found guilty of contravening the Communications Act 2003, Section 127 2C, which is exactly the part that we've been complaining about.
Frankly, Section 127 1 and 2 are the main problems.
But anyway...
By District Judge Margaret Dodds, who said, Miss Scottow broke the rule to be kind to each other and not call her names.
Well, Margaret Dodds, where was that written?
Where did I agree that I would be kind to people and not call them names?
Am I obliged to do that?
It'd be nice if I'm kind.
I am kind to some people, but there are some people who are, and I'm going to put this bluntly, tremendous arseholes that I don't feel inclined to be kind towards, and I feel I should be able to call names.
Again, just as my right is an Englishman.
An absurd standard as well.
Legally, we're going to make people be kind to each other.
Yeah.
I mean, how are you going to enforce it?
How do you measure it?
By arresting anyone you deem to be unkind, is what we've been doing for at least a decade.
But how do I know if I'm being kind or not?
Like, I don't think that handouts are a kind thing to do.
I actually think they're a cruel thing to do, because they make someone dependent.
Which is why you see signs at, like, parks saying, don't feed the animals, they become dependent on the handouts.
You know?
And so it's like, well, if you're not allowing them to, like, you know, giving them the incentive to go and actually create their own prosperity, then, yeah, you make things dependent.
Anyone becomes dependent and anything becomes dependent when you've just given free handouts.
It's just how life works.
Very basic fiscal conservatism there.
Yeah, exactly.
It's not a controversial thing to say, but I do think that it's actually immoral to do that.
And if you're going to do that, you better have a good reason for doing it and not just have it as just blanket policy like we do now.
But anyway, yeah, so the definition of kindness is subjective and...
Well, it's not even subjective.
It's not desirable to enforce kindness on society.
I completely agree.
Or compassion or any of these other things.
Who wants to live in a world of pure kindness?
Well, yeah, obviously.
But not even that.
Any of these things that are done artificially are not sincere and therefore not really the thing that you're trying to enforce.
And so now you've just got the facade of, you know, this is the kind thing to do.
And then you're likely going to have someone behind that who's deeply resentful and actually raging about the fact that they have to do this.
So a very unhealthy situation to get into.
But anyway, so this came after a Freedom of Information request by The Telegraph in February found that police in England and Wales had recorded 120,000 non-crime hate incidents in the past five years, which is 66 a day, right?
Now, if you look into these non-crime hate incidents, they are exactly as they sound.
They're things that are hate incidents, whatever that's supposed to mean, Presumably something based on gender or ethnicity or whatever, religion.
And the police will actively encourage you.
You can see their graphics and their websites say this.
Even if it's not a crime, call us up and tell us anyway.
It's like...
Why?
The police spend money to promote that you should do this.
Yes.
My money to promote that you should do this.
So why are you dobbing in your neighbours for not committing a crime?
But essentially what it is going to do is put them on a database of people who have said things.
My favourite one is the police presented this in all seriousness in a report, I'll have to find it, of examples of these sort of things.
And one of them was a man complained to the police because when he went to a supermarket he was handed a carrier bag in a homophobic way.
Right.
Okay, this deserves a police...
I mean, it's not a crime.
This is police time that we've got to waste on this.
But it is a hate incident, and so it's important we record it.
I actually had some luck.
I ran into a couple of policemen in Canterbury once who dealt with this a lot.
I asked them, because they were quite pro that we should record these things, I asked them, well, what's the point?
And they said, oh, we want to measure bigotry within communities.
I was like, right, socially engineering then.
Yeah.
How about your business?
How do you even define these things?
So I asked them, we had, I think it was Britain's first, who came to our campus to complain about a mosque being built there, because Canterbury's a Christian myth city.
Well, it's the seat of the Archbishop.
Yeah, it's a bit of a holy site, let's say.
No, it literally is a holy site.
People used to pilgrimage there.
Yeah.
So these guys, and you can question their murders all you want, but they were upset about this mosque being built and being there and okay.
And this was recorded.
I asked them, did you record that as a hate crime incident?
And they said, well, yeah, it was legal, so they're not committing a crime, but it was a hate crime incident.
And they recorded it as a sign of bigotry in Canterbury.
You can see how this has to end, right?
But anyway, this comes on the heels of many other examples of this happening.
The Telegraph lists a bunch of them so I don't have to go and find them myself, which is useful.
But Harry Miller, which is the guy who retweeted a limerick about transgenderism, Did he just like it?
I think he might have liked it, yeah.
But either way, that somehow came to the police's attention, and he was contacted by the Humberside Police to, quote, check his thinking.
As if I think these people are, frankly, well-informed enough to know how to check someone's thinking, like that is even a desirable thing to do.
Incredibly Orwellian, this situation that we found ourselves in.
Another example is David Starkey, who was being interviewed by Darren Grimes, who said that slavery wasn't genocide because, quote, so many damn blacks survived.
That's not what he was saying, it was so many damn blacks complaining.
Yeah, you have to rip the context there as well for it to sound bad.
Yeah, and it's not just that.
It's the way he's presenting it in a sort of old-school master way.
Yeah, this was sort of a joke.
That wording on its own, of course, in a dry courtroom, is something completely different to him joking.
Yeah, it would be the same thing as me saying, oh, I've lost my damn car keys.
I'm not actually condemning my car keys.
I'm condemning the fact that this is an issue in front of my face.
It's not a judgment about the thing that is the issue.
But it doesn't matter.
Either way, he was investigated by the Met, but thankfully that was dropped.
And so, yeah, we find ourselves in a position where we've got the judges saying very, very clearly that Section 127 is just not for purpose.
Mr.
Justice Warby said,"...it is clear in my judgment that these provisions were not intended by Parliament to criminalise forms of expression, the content of which is no worse than annoying or inconvenient in nature." And the judgment states, the prosecution under section 127C for online speech is plainly an interference by the state with the defendant's convention right to freedom of expression.
Talking about the UN Convention on Human Rights.
So, I mean, that's true.
Our laws at the moment, as confirmed by a judge in the UK, infringe on our right to freedom of expression as set down in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
This is an English judge in the High Court of Appeals, correct?
Because you would have thought the judge presiding over the Count Dankula case in Scotland would have been able to plainly see this.
I would have thought so too.
But complete ignorance.
And his standard was that not only was it fit for purpose, but Mr.
Dankula's not a real name, obviously, but his context wasn't even relevant, was the ruling.
Yep.
We decide if context is relevant, is the ruling.
Yeah.
I don't know how things are in Scotland, but that was the Scottish legal view, I suppose.
And they do have Scots law up there, so maybe it's different to English law.
I would have to check.
But basically, yeah, anyone who doesn't know the history of this will quickly go through it.
So Labour's 2003 Communication Act, which is quite easy to find.
Bit of tidbit.
Every single member of the Conservative Party voted against this.
Right?
Well, shame they didn't have a majority, really, isn't it?
Yeah, but they ought to get rid of it now.
Yeah, I was going to say, since they have a majority now, and a very strong one, they should get rid of it.
Boris, get on it.
But anyway, this was based on the improper use of a public electronic communications network.
A person is guilty of an offence if they send by means of this communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive, or of an indecent, obscene, or menacing character, or because any such message as a matter could be sent.
And two is a person is guilty of an offence if for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience, or needless anxiety to another.
He sends a message by this network.
Now, that contravenes our human rights, as the judgment has shown.
And A, should we be criminalising offence?
I don't think we should.
I think that's obviously against free speech.
And B, causing annoyance?
Really?
So trolling by this would be illegal.
This was originally to deal with people prank calling people.
Well, I was going to get to that.
I just wanted to mention, Boris Johnson voted against this.
I've got the list in front of me.
Okay.
Most of them are still sitting as well.
Come on, Boris.
They have absolutely no excuse not to then get rid of this.
We're waiting.
Any time.
But yeah, this was an evolution of the superseded Section 43 of the Telecommunications Act, which is the next one we'll get up.
There is a key difference here.
And this is because the Telecommunications Act, because it was written in 1984...
It was an inheritance of, again, something that was written in the 40s, I believe, when telephones were first invented.
It was to prevent these sort of direct calls.
There is actually going back further on this.
So the problem is, of course, the idea of gross offense.
So it being grossly offensive means nothing.
Why are you criminalizing offense?
I traced this and I managed to get back to the 1901 Post Office Act in Victorian times in which they criminalized putting grossly offensive messages on your postal packets.
So you couldn't write on the top or draw pornography or something.
But the point is, what you're not doing is broadcasting.
It's a Victorian standard.
Yes.
A, it's a Victorian standard.
But B, you're sending a direct message from one person to another person with the intent that only the other person sees it.
So the internet, through the 2003 Communications Act, is being treated like a telephone.
But that's not what it's like.
It's actually like a public broadcasting system, like a television.
So if you're going to apply standards and rules to it, then for gross and decency, whatever it is.
And maybe you want to have like watersheds or something.
I don't know.
But the point is, you should treat it like a broadcasting system because that's what it is.
Because none of these things are exclusively for the people who have seen them and complained about them.
They're on the internet.
They're public.
Everyone can see them.
So it's much more like a broadcasting system.
You also choose to tune in.
Your telephone rings without you deciding whether or not you wanted to.
And you don't know what you're going to get on the other end of it.
So you can understand heavy breathing calls or something.
Maybe there should be some sort of criminal action there if you're going to continually harass someone like that.
But if it's someone online that you don't like, block them.
Don't look at it.
Go on a different platform.
I don't know.
You've got a million options.
But what's the Law Commission re-proposals there?
So I just wanted to mention as well, this isn't the only law that the Labour Party passed that was like this.
In 2005, they updated the Public Order Act so that if you were insulting someone, that was also a crime.
And thankfully at the time, the culture was that...
Celebrities would come out and say this is nonsense.
There was a young boy who called a police officer's horse gay, and he was charged with a crime.
There are exactly the same circumstances as Section 127, but the internet just wasn't around.
Turns out the horse is bi.
I didn't ask first.
But this is a recurring issue, but what's interesting is the fact that, of course, the culture's changed to the point now.
How many celebrities came out in favour of Count Dracula?
None.
Maybe two comedians wrote a thing and said a thing, which, you know, great on them, but that's a massive decline.
Ricky Gervais gave a kind of half-hearted, yeah, this is, it was just a joke.
David Baddiel was actually the strongest one.
Yeah.
Being, you know, I'm Jewish and I thought that was hilarious, you know, so it's like, okay, well, I mean, it was.
But what a decline in the culture that is.
Anyway.
It is.
So I wanted to mention this.
This is all good, and we're all very happy about it.
But the Law Commission have been doing some proposals.
We covered it previously, where they wanted to propose criminalizing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, which...
crazy and they've they've rewritten some of them and this chap here from the adam smith institute has done a long thread about uh this issue and so he's mentioning what their reproposals are and the reproposals are that if you want to send out a message and you have an audience in mind and you want to commit harm and you want to commit harm against that group then you're committing a crime and they do some definitions here so likely audience being a particular group that
you want to do harm to and the definition of harm harm is emotional or psychological harm amounting to at least serious emotional distress okay Now, there are, of course, some questions in that.
Yeah, I have many questions.
Emotional harm, which, that could be anything.
Like, me insulting you could be emotional harm, right?
Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely.
So this is why we're not out of the woods.
This is going to be an endless fight.
Me telling you that your father has died could be serious emotional harm.
Yeah.
And that might not be something that's wrong, you know?
So there's one piece of context here, which I assume he's just unaware of, which is, this is actually in relation to a few cases in the UK of something that is quite sick, and I'm not sure how I feel about it.
But, so what happened, I think it was either Manchester Arena or just someone's kid had died, and people were setting up fake Twitter and Facebook accounts with images of the dead kid, and then messaging the parents of the dead kid, being like, I'm still alive, mummy.
I hate you.
That's horrible.
Yeah, sickening stuff.
But I don't think it should be a crime.
So that's the debate.
Should that be a crime or not?
That's just awful.
So that's an example of what they're trying to get at with the idea of emotional or psychological harm.
But as they clarified, they're at least serious emotional distress, which gives it a better standard.
I guess.
But again, this is a fight we're going to have to fight forever.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm not a fan.
But anyway, like we were saying, it's some good news on the legal front when it comes to free speech in the United Kingdom.
We actually have a legal ruling that we can appeal to, and it's based on our human rights as recognised by the United Nations.
So if our own standards for human rights are not enough, then at least someone else's are, even though theirs comes from ours.
No, actually, the United Nations one is kind of a joke internationally.
What a shock.
The British tradition is pretty good.
I mean, you can see it enshrined in the Americans.
The United Nations one was initially, I believe, proposed by the British in the West, and it was perfect.
Everyone has right to freedom of expression.
It's not limited.
And the Soviet Union disagreed.
They were upset about this.
Well, they would be, wouldn't they?
Of course they were.
And they argued in the UN, oh, but what about, you know, the Nazis?
That was their argument, which is, of course, the communists.
It's like, you know, you're the Soviet Union of all people.
But what about the Kulaks?
I mean, the Nazis.
Yeah.
Freudian slip.
So there are some caveats within the UN ruling that you can limit it for moral reasons, for health reasons, and so on and so forth.
So if we're even failing on the UN level, it's pretty bad.
It is pretty bad.
But right, let's switch gears because you want to talk about China.
Yes, I want to talk about China.
China.
So we're all pretty happy that we're waking up to the problem of China, at least the Western world is waking up to it, which is largely thanks to Trump and going to be, I expect, disappointed with Biden.
But the UK government have done some good things, so I wanted to, you know, again, you do a good thing, you get some praise.
Which is surprising considering how close they were to giving Huawei our infrastructure for communications.
They've done a lot worse, really.
So I wanted to just set the stage so people who aren't British would know.
So this is five years old.
This is George Osborne meeting with China.
He went over there for a trip and then invited them over.
And this is how bad we were.
So George Osborne really, really wanted to get involved with China.
and I've got some of the quotes from him.
So, "My message on this trip is that Britain can't run away from China.
Quite the opposite.
Britain should run towards China." In a modern context, sounds crazy, right?
But this...
It's hard to be fair, but it's hard to be charitable.
It's not going to be fair.
This was in the context of we're going to liberalise them through open...
That was optimistic, wasn't it?
Yeah.
This is 2015.
You should have known by now.
This wasn't working.
But okay.
It gets worse.
No economy in the world is more open to China than investment in the UK. Brilliant.
Not good.
Whatever the headlines, we shouldn't be running away from China.
Right.
Like, absolute moron.
Like, this guy, maybe he's just a Chayabu, or whatever the right term is, but just didn't get...
I'm more than willing to defer to D. Dongsheng's expertise and say it's either one stack or two.
Just a corrupt politician.
I mean, do I think that George Osborne is above taking two stacks?
No.
No, I do not.
And it was the same with David Cameron.
David Cameron was his, you know, George Osborne's Prime Minister.
And so, we've got a video just to show how warm the relationship was.
They invited Xi Jinping all the way to the UK and then took him to a pub.
And you can see him hanging out with him.
And this is, the pub subsequently what followed was the selling off of loads of dockyards and nuclear plants.
Like I said, do I think they're above taking two stacks?
No.
No, I do not.
So we can play the video just to show the...
Like that's kind of cute as well.
Camera didn't even guzzle it.
No.
What a girly boy.
I always hate seeing politicians and pups.
Yeah.
They have fancy fish and chips as well.
Anyway, so...
I want some fish and chips now.
Yeah.
But this is obviously a prelude to what ended up coming, which is them buying all our dockyards and everything.
And if you can get the next one, they brought the pub that they went to literally a year afterwards.
They're just like, yeah, we're going to buy that pub.
In the video, we're not going to play it, but the locals are actually complaining that food got worse.
The communists took over and the food became terrible.
Yeah, what a surprise.
Coincidence.
So this is how bad we were.
And we obviously got worse trying to sell Huawei's R5G infrastructure to Huawei, meaning that the Chinese would have easy access to our security detail, which is a terrible idea.
And thankfully, the Trump administration was there to put the government right.
Just literally browbeating them.
Don't do this, you fools.
And they were so on the fence as well.
You could tell that the conservatives were going to say, oh, should we?
Shouldn't we?
There's two stacks in it, though.
It's like, oh, shut up, you idiots.
Yeah.
So Boris's government have now started to fight back.
I'm assuming it's because of COVID that they've had this, for lack of a better term, great reset on these issues and said, well, we've actually got an opportunity to try and decouple ourselves from China because this has been terrible.
Yeah, more information about the Conservative government's involvement in the Great Reset tomorrow on the weekend podcast, actually.
Yeah, we're just talking about reset in relations.
So the first link from The Guardian is them talking about...
I think they've passed this now.
But they were proposing stopping back doors to foreign investors.
China.
They don't care about anyone else.
So the quote here is...
Back takeovers by Chinese and other foreign companies on national security grounds will be blocked.
So if you have an industry which you can claim has a national security interest, you just can't buy if you're foreign.
And this is just because the Chinese kept buying everything.
Well, why did we let them do it?
I've always asked this.
Why should they be allowed to simply buy up our entire country?
And of course, the main one being Huawei here being a national security threat.
Massively, yes.
So that's good.
They did a thing there.
And then they did another thing.
So they introduced national security and investment bill on not just what you would expect, a few things like nuclear or stuff like that.
I've got the full list here.
It's a little bit small, but you can see civil nuclear, communications, data infrastructure, defense, pretty typical.
Energy, transport.
That was interesting.
Like all kinds of domestic transport.
Right.
Well, you say it's interesting, but like, if you want control of all of these things, because your internal transportation systems, your infrastructure, your ability, your logistics...
Should not be run by a foreigner.
No, they're deeply important to the maintenance of the state and the country.
Especially a foreigner who is hostile to you.
Just, I mean, just, I guess, small things, yeah.
Yeah, so basically all other, I'll just term it high-tier technologies as well.
So good, good.
At least you did the bare minimum.
Satellites and space technologies, yeah.
Good job not having that run by the Chinese.
Anyway, so a little bit of praise there, but not enough for me to care.
But hang on, are we calling this praise or are we saying, well done for reaching the minimum standard?
That was the bare minimum.
And then they did the 5G thing with Huawei, where they're saying, okay, under Trump's administration, we're going to phase out and get rid of it.
So this was a little while back, but they just wanted to mention it.
So they've got to get rid of everything by 2027, and that's not just, the government just aren't buying it, but the private industry also have to get rid of everything Huawei on the national scale.
And that's also bare minimum.
Okay.
But then we went a little bit further.
So because of Hong Kong, we've also started expanding our arms embargo.
So you'd be able to get arms through Hong Kong, and because of Chinese actions, we've now added them to the list of banned places where you cannot sell arms.
Right, okay.
Which, okay.
Good start.
Not gone down well with the Chinese, who were obviously irritated.
Yeah.
But it gets better.
We also suspended the Hong Kong Extradition Treaty.
So if we have someone in the UK who's committed a crime in China, we're not sending them to Hong Kong, we're not sending them to China.
You're not having them.
Okay, that's a surprisingly firm position from the UK government.
And it gets better.
So they also introduced a new bill in which the Lords have done a good intervention here, which is why the House of Lords is always nice.
So if you want to make a trade deal with a foreign country from now on, as the British government, you have to make an assessment for genocide.
Okay.
Xi Jinping's just sweating.
Oh my god.
Yeah, so Lords vote to revoke UK trade deals with countries committing genocide.
Who is this aimed at?
Yeah.
Who knows?
Well, I mean, the picture kind of implies, doesn't it?
Yeah, so when they're looking at new trade deals, the government is now required legally to undertake a human rights impact assessment for any trade deals and revoke any agreement in cases where potential genocide is found.
Great.
Okay, good start.
And the Guardian did a great piece on this.
God, are we even praising the Guardian?
Not fully.
Like, the first half just laying out some of the things the government has done, which is actually quite nice.
And that's the thing as well.
It's Thomas Sowell compared to what?
Because, of course, some of these things are a bit basic.
But compared to David Cameron and George Osborne selling the country, okay, it's getting better.
I'll take it.
So in here they mention the Americans' position on this, which is just dumbfoundedness, how stupid we've been, which is amazing.
But they issued a 70-page report from the State Department on the challenges with China, and I love this.
So the paper argues the West has utterly misconstrued China as a fledgling economic superpower with no imperial ambitions.
When in reality, it is determined fundamentally to revise the world order, placing the People's Republic of China at the centre, serving Beijing authoritarian goals and hegemonic ambitions.
Well, that's just like the director of national intelligence in the US, who said exactly the same thing in almost exactly those words.
So who was that that said that?
That's the State Department.
So it's almost exactly the same as the American intelligence community's view on what China's doing.
So finally, you know, the conspiracy theorists were proven right again.
So how is it that Alex Jones is wrong?
But anyone interested in geopolitics is not going to think this is a conspiracy.
This has been well known for years.
But, I mean, the strike back that maybe we should have done from word go is, is there anything worth buying in Britain anymore?
Yeah.
Are you sure you want to waste your time infiltrating our infrastructure?
I mean, what's that going to achieve?
We do produce...
You spent all of this money, and what?
We do still produce, actually, quite a lot of good vehicles.
Chinese hegemony of the Outer Hebrides.
That's what this is produced.
And even then, no, they voted for independence.
Sorry.
You know, like...
So the reason I don't want to praise the Guardian is because they've done what they always do and added the counter-arguments.
And the counter-arguments are laughable.
But actually, is China good?
Yeah, is selling ourselves up to China a good idea?
Do we have a tough enough position on the Uyghurs ourselves?
The first quote they got from was a guy called Martin Jacquois, it's French, I don't know how to say it, of course it's French, who is the former British editor for Marxism today.
LAUGHTER Why?
Like, why would you ask Marxism Today for their opinion?
Of all the people to get a hot take from, we went to the editor of Marxism Today, yes you did, Guardian.
I'm sure you did.
I don't know.
We moved away from America and started making more alliances with far-right countries.
We've asked the editor of Stormfront what he thinks about this.
Yeah, exactly.
But unsurprisingly, the editor of Stormfront was in favour of us selling out ourselves to Nazi Germany.
Maybe they should control our docks and our infrastructure, which is probably what Marxism Today's editor is saying, right?
Actually, China good.
So his statement is that the UK has been gripping by...
Sorry, the UK has been gripped by a form of paranoia.
Reds under the bed has been replaced with Reds under the hard drive.
It's only because they keep trying to hack everything.
We were literally trying to sell them our 5G infrastructure.
What are you...
Idiot.
They're not fake.
The Chinese are real communists.
Well, it's not real communists at all.
I suppose now the editor of Marxism today is fuming at the camera.
How dare you?
But then why are you simping for them if they're not real socialists?
Exactly.
You've found yourself wrapped up in the eternal conundrum of communism.
So he continues, in fact, the thinking is Cold War thinking.
China is just the evil enemy that has to be rejected.
That's right.
Based.
Yes, you're exactly right.
But his idea is obviously that we shouldn't be rejecting them for being evil.
It's like, they're literally engaged in genocide, mate.
When do you want to say something?
Also, Mr.
McCarthy wants a word with you.
So, that's obviously quite funny.
Like, it's a bit of a meme.
Who really cares what the Marxism today has to say?
It's just Pete Guardian being Pete Guardian.
That is, yeah.
This is where it gets actually quite worrying.
They also contacted the ex-Liberal Democrat leader, Vince Cable.
Sir Vince Cable.
Yeah, he responded with the fact that he was bemoaning that the unholy alliance of Trumpists, neocons and British conservatives and the Labour opposition, who he says, are blowing apart the government's post-Brexit strategy to investment in China.
Meaning that he's upset that we're trying to decouple ourselves because it would be a great business opportunity.
Well, I mean, sure, we could...
But this is the George Osborne position.
Have you not learnt anything?
Yeah, I mean, he's right.
You could sell yourself into slavery.
That's a great business opportunity.
You're going to have guaranteed work for the rest of your life.
Isn't that what you want?
Well, he is pro-EU membership.
Of course he is.
So...
I know.
We'll leave that there.
But that's the point, isn't it?
You know, it's like, look, at the end of the day, yeah...
I can guarantee myself security, food and water and shelter if I just go to prison, but there are some other concerns that I might have.
For the love of God, Vince.
Liberal.
Liberal Democrats.
Liberal Democrats.
Pro-China.
Meme party.
Embarrassing.
But then the Guardian themselves give their own opinion, which is just as bad.
So, they write here.
be cautious because it does not want to be beached left on a high tide of trumpian anti-chinese rhetoric only to find out that the tide went out with joe biden's election yes we do and it's like biden is at minimum likely to likely to take a less aggressive unilateral sanctions based approach wow that's a generous way of saying that china owns biden yeah Yeah, it's like, okay, thanks for letting the cat out of the bag, Guardian.
Two stacks.
Probably three stacks for the big guy.
But why would you write that?
Like, you're a left-leaning outlet.
You're meant to be supporting him, and it's just like, yeah, we know that Joe Biden's not going to be tough on China.
Even after we've listed page after page of things they're doing wrong.
Amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
And the last thing here, just to mention, was the Australian trade war that's going on.
Yes.
So you wanted to say something about this.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I hadn't looked into it in depth, but because you were making this segment up, I thought it might be worth sending across.
Because apparently China and Australia, Beijing and Australia, are in a trade war together.
And you saw the propaganda they were putting about the Australian war crimes in Afghanistan, which I'm sure that China is very, very concerned about.
And so the rhetoric between China and Australia has been heating up, and Australia being part of the Commonwealth essentially means that we're all in.
I can't imagine that we're just going to be like, well, that was just Australia, we'll just let that go.
China can have that.
Yeah, we can't do that.
No, obviously not.
The Australians, though, seem to have got their own back because the Chinese refused delivery of a billion dollars of Australian coal because of various offences given, and that meant that Beijing went without power.
So they were rolling blackouts in Beijing, and there were various other problems.
Millions of Chinese residents, as you can see, have been left without heating in the middle of winter as cities ration electricity amid a blockade on Australian coal.
As in, they're hurting themselves to try and make the Australians bend the knee.
And thank God at the moment the Australians have not yet bent the knee, and so that means the Chinese go without power.
I mean, how long Chinese citizens are going to put up with this for, who knows?
I mean, it's just a thing that's happened.
I imagine nothing will come of it, really.
But, you know, good to see that there's at least some resistance to receiving two stacks.
But this is also kind of interesting because it demonstrates the difference in Beijing's response.
So they took their ambassador out of France after they were criticized.
With Australia, they're just sending them hate mail on a daily basis at this point.
And I think the ambassador sent them 14 points of change they must make.
And you're just like...
No.
Like, we're not going to follow Beijing's orders.
But it's just openly hostile.
Whereas with the British, the ambassador has been kept in Britain, and they've also kept their mouths shut.
Can we sell the arms that we would have sold to China to Australia?
If they want them, yeah.
I'd be happy to do that.
Happy to find the Australian's armed trade.
Yeah, damn right.
It looks like they're going to need it as well.
But that's interesting because, of course, if you were Beijing and you thought you had a strong position with the UK, at least, if you thought it had gone that far, you'd be more hostile, right?
Yeah.
So hopefully the actions Boris's government is taking are the right ones at the right time, so we at least stopped ourselves getting into the position of Australia, where you're just in bed with them.
Yeah, and it's not a lot of Australian industry and, like, So, um...
Yeah, but, you know, good news from the Conservatives, actually doing things on China, which is worthy of praise.
I didn't think we'd have so many white pills, in fact, for this Friday afternoon podcast.
So, I mean, I hope this is going to make your weekend better, folks, because...
Yesterday would be great.
Yeah, yeah, and actually we've got some even better news.
The COVID vaccine's been delayed.
At least in prison.
Not good news for you plebs, obviously.
Obviously.
But we'll go through it.
So, Forbes have kindly given us a list of world leaders who are vowing to take the vaccine.
President-elect Joe Biden said that he would be happy to stand before the public and prove the vaccine is safe once and for all after it's been authorised by legislators, blah, blah, blah.
Obama said the same thing.
George W. Bush said the same thing.
He would gladly get his vaccine on camera.
And, of course, Bill Clinton said that he would, of course, be glad to get his vaccine on camera as well.
Benjamin Netanyahu has said he wants to serve as a personal example for the citizens of Israel.
And Boris Johnson, who has already had COVID, so why he needs a vaccine for COVID is...
Something I don't fully understand.
But he said that he would happily get one on live television as well.
And to join the cadre of well-respected world leaders who have promised to have this vaccine live on television, Dr.
Tedros from the World Health Organization has said he would be happy to publicly receive the vaccine, but would only do so once it's his turn because I don't want to take anyone's vaccine.
Because you're too busy gauging in...
Well, that was the thing.
I always look up to those people who have been accused of genocide and think, have they taken the vaccine?
Whether I take it or not is dependent on how much genocide they've gone into.
Tedros is being accused by a Dr.
David Steinman, an American economist nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
He's called for him to be a prosecutor for genocide over his alleged involvement in directing Ethiopia's security forces about 20 years ago.
Not a great look.
Yeah, so the image I get in my mind is he's like, yeah, I'll take the genocide.
So yeah, but one of the primary proponents of the vaccine has been Bill Gates, who, like Tedros, is nobly sacrificing himself by allowing other people to have it first.
I personally have an issue with this, because I think that Tedros and Bill Gates, I think their service to humanity has been so great that they actually deserve to take it first.
These people have put all their time and effort into this vaccine.
They're here to save us, and they've been...
I mean, Bill Gates has probably funded most of this vaccine himself.
God knows how much of his billions and billions he's poured into doing all of this.
So really, I mean, I think collectively we owe Bill Gates a debt of gratitude, and this debt of gratitude should be him getting it first.
And he'll do it, as he says here, look.
President-elect Biden joined with former presidents Obama and Bush and Clinton, suggesting that they would all take the vaccine publicly.
Are you considering doing the same?
No, I'll do the same.
When it's my turn, I'm not going to budge, but when my turn comes up, I will visibly take the vaccine because I think that it's a benefit to all people to not be transmitting.
He didn't sound nervous or anything, did he?
He said he's not going to budge, as if this is some weird heroic thing that he's going to do that involves great self-sacrifice or something.
I don't know, but I like the way he's like, no, I'm not going to jump the queue.
I mean, he's a billionaire, he's privileged, and he's right.
In the sake of fairness, he shouldn't jump the queue.
I mean, he is in his 70s now, so he actually does qualify for being at the front of the queue, and because of his great service to humanity by getting this vaccine developed, I actually think that he should be the first.
I mean, he wasn't, but now that we know the vaccine's safe because a bunch of people have taken it and it's all been fine.
After all, we've got Paul McCartney here who literally said, I feel fine after taking it.
So if it's good enough for Paul McCartney, it's definitely good enough for Bill Gates.
How was Paul McCartney ahead of him?
Like, if this vaccine is...
Bill Gates said, well, you know, I don't want to be given special privileges, are we suggesting that Paul McCartney just happened to be on the top of the list, are we?
It wasn't done by alphabetical order, was it?
Like, how did he end up getting at the top of the list?
Same with Sir Ian McKellen.
You know, if it's good enough for Gandalf, it's definitely good enough for the plebeians, and so we should all be thankful to these rich and powerful people for developing this vaccine.
And taking it to show us that it's going to be fine.
And I really firmly agree.
I have to keep stressing this.
Bill Gates deserves that vaccine.
I think it would be a crime against humanity if the man responsible for this vaccine was not given it.
I mean, what if Bill Gates got COVID tomorrow and died, right?
We'd be like, Christ, this guy gave us this vaccine that could have saved his life.
95% efficacy.
Should he have not had it first?
It would be a tremendous tragedy if that were to happen.
Take the vaccine, Bill.
Take the vaccine.
Live on air.
Live on air.
On ESPN. But Ian McKinnon took it.
I mean, look, he praised the NHS staff.
This is the entire article, right?
This is it.
This is all they had to say about it.
He says, you know, I want to give them all a big hug.
The Lord of the Rings Act says next time I come, well, no, six days after I come, I'm going to give them all a big hug.
Is that allowed?
I don't know.
The real bonus of all this is to watch and see what works in this country and what doesn't work.
And it seems to me the NHS is right at the top of the list for the institutions that do work.
Oh, we'll get to that in a second.
That didn't age well.
Of course, I know I wouldn't be alive if it wasn't for the NHS. He's actually older than the NHS. But he says, speaking of the vaccine, he said it is invasive, of course.
It looks like a weapon, a needle, but it isn't.
It's a friend.
I agree.
That needle is your friend, Bill.
Take the vaccine, Bill.
Gandalf has signed off on the vaccine bill.
Take two, why not?
You do need to take two, in fact.
And we've all agreed that you're the guy who deserves it the most.
Take the vaccine, Bill.
Go on.
But people are apparently eager to take the vaccine.
I don't remember whether I gave you the link here.
But apparently 71% of respondents in late November, early December in America, this was, said that they would take the vaccine, which is up from 63% in an August, September poll.
And the increase was evident across all racial and ethnic groups surveyed, as well as Democrats and Republicans.
Presumably, they're looking at Bill Gates' marvellous lead in this and the fact that all of these other world leaders are lining up.
But obviously, they don't want to take someone else's place.
But that's OK.
As I said, I think if we did a poll, I think everyone would agree you guys should be bumped to the top for your services to humanity in the face of COVID-19.
And like I said, I don't want it to be that Bill Gates has to go without the vaccine.
I'm genuinely concerned about his health.
Terrified, in fact.
It would be terrible if he caught COVID. It's sort of like a hero of the Soviet Union award.
Hero of COVID. Exactly.
Hero of the anti-COVID activist movement.
And I don't want Bill Gates to end up in a position like this unfortunate chap, who actually didn't get the vaccine, as we can see on the video here.
The guy was being injected, and you notice he's a white man.
But what you don't see in this particular video is, for some reason, in the close-up of it, you can see there, the plunger is already depressed, and there's actually nothing in the syringe.
And I don't want that to happen to Bill Gates.
I don't want Bill Gates to go without his COVID vaccine like this chap has gone without his COVID vaccine.
Now, this was told to us to be a mistake by CBS4Local.
They investigated and they included the full videos, the 17-minute video, as you can see, with other people at the side there getting vaccinated.
Now, he was the only one to go without the vaccine.
They ran out.
No, no.
He was the second person, so there are five of them.
The first person was, I think, that lady in the middle one, the lady of colour there.
And you can see she's getting her vaccine, and you can see there's definitely something in it to press into plunger, and she's fine.
You know, they take the vaccine, everything's fine.
Is it different needles?
Of course it's different needles.
No, I mean, like, so how did they give him a paper?
But for some reason, his needle just had nothing in and was already depressed, right?
All of them were done, and then his one was just done.
Yeah.
So the first lady came up and she got hers.
Everything's fine.
There's nothing.
It's a vaccine.
I've had loads of vaccines.
Everyone's had vaccines.
These are not a big deal.
It's just an injection.
But then he goes up, and his is already depressed.
And you can see the guy, as he's doing it, he's kind of fiddling around with it.
Like, hmm, what am I supposed to do with this?
But he just carries on like he's just given the vaccine, even though the guy has clearly gone without.
And then the other women and another, they're all women and non-white people get the actual vaccine.
I'm thinking, wow, that's weird.
The white man is the one person who doesn't get it.
I mean, Bill Gates is a white man.
I don't want him to be racially discriminated against when it comes to these COVID vaccines.
And I'm really worried about this now.
I think there might be actually be some racial discrimination against white men in particular, but white people in general about getting this vaccine.
And it could well be that this mistake was actually a consequence of unconscious bias or something like that.
Now, again, I don't want Bill Gates to fall victim to this.
So I'm very concerned that he gets the proper vaccine as is shown.
But the problem is the weird way, I mean, Bill Gates doubtless not getting it in the UK, but in the UK, if we're a model for the rest of the world, then there will be further problems.
Because in the UK, we're having real problems rolling out the vaccine.
As Sky News reports, the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine could be delayed by technical issues, doctors and health officials have warned, after the first week of the vaccination programme was marred by difficulties in data collection.
A senior health official told Sky News that the IT system known as Pinnacle was failing constantly, and that GPs were having to record on paper then transfer, which is something the NHS in England strongly disputes.
But okay.
Ian McKellen's statements on the NHS being infallible are kind of...
But the officials say that it could explain why the government has struggled to publish figures on how many people have been actually vaccinated when Vaccine Minister Nadim Zawi tweeted the first of the short numbers.
Creates a backlog of patients because we have to manually keep that on paper, but then someone has to enter to a later date and all of this is delayed.
It's not nice weather.
We've got old people standing in the cold.
We don't want these delays.
And he's right.
We've got Bill Gates standing out in the cold waiting for his COVID vaccine and he's in the danger zone and he's a white man and I don't want him to go without.
But the reason that I emphasize that he's a white man is because there does seem to be actually a racial distribution of vaccines that is being promoted by the great and good around us.
Not only in this country, but also in the United States.
For example, these are clips from a New York Times article that someone had excerpted on Twitter.
And this is really interesting.
Harold Schmidt, an expert in ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, said it was reasonable to put essential workers ahead of older adults, given their risks, and that they are disproportionately minorities.
Older populations are whiter.
Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer.
Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already have more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.
So we have a racial equality agenda built in to the distribution of the COVID vaccine.
This is why I'm so concerned about Bill Gates, right?
Not only have we got an example of a white man not being given the virus, it looks like on purpose, it's already been depressed.
I don't want a bunch of racists to deny Bill Gates this crucial healthcare that he spent so much time and effort promoting and clearly is in need of.
Just to underline as well, they're not talking about healthcare workers there.
He's not saying healthcare workers should get it before the elderly.
No, the older people are white, therefore they're less important.
He's saying essential workers.
So people who work in supermarkets should get it before the elderly, even though the elderly are at higher risk.
We're essential workers.
Yeah, we are.
Consider us essential, folks, by signing up to LotusEaters.com.
But yeah, so we're actually more entitled to the vaccine than Bill Gates.
But we are also less entitled.
Because of our race, yes.
I personally will give up my position for Bill Gates.
I'll consider it my civic duty.
I'll take the bullet for you, Bill.
You can have the vaccine, and I'm happy to stand there and make sure that it's one full of whatever the vaccine is.
Because I don't want you going without it.
But this continues.
Mark Lipstitch, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Harvard's T.H. Chan School of Public Health, argued that teachers should not be included as essential workers if a central goal of the committee is to reduce health inequities.
Again, we're not...
Health inequities.
Right.
So now it's about equality of health.
Now it's not about the coronavirus.
Now it's about racial equalisation.
Right.
Teachers have middle class salaries, are very often white, and they have college degrees.
Of course they should be treated better, but they are not among the most mistreated of workers.
What a bizarre way of looking at the situation.
Why on earth is that what they're considering here?
It's the kind of thing you expect from people who are selling pens in the middle of the street.
Is it?
People with signs on them saying the end is Nile.
Like, the problem of the teachers is they're too white, therefore they shouldn't have the vaccine.
Well, I just don't understand why their race has to come into it.
And the thing is, they're not even making an argument based on race, really.
They're making an argument based on racial inequality.
Because, I mean, you could actually formulate an argument that is scientific based on race.
Because, for example, the UK government has been advising...
That people who have dark skin, so non-white people basically, should take extra vitamin D. Because they actually did a study of this recently and found that black people, Caribbean people, who live in the United Kingdom have 53% less vitamin D than white people who live in the United Kingdom.
And this is a problem because vitamin D is essential to your immune system, and it's your immune system, of course, that fights COVID. And this is one of the reasons that they think is a compounding factor as to why COVID-19 has affected the Caribbean community more than others.
There are also various other health issues and stuff with the Caribbean community, apparently.
But the study isn't finished yet.
Sure, but these are the preliminary findings.
So you could make an argument saying, well, there is actually a reason that you might do this.
But not because white people are privileged and because we need to equalize the racial divide in health.
I mean, this is just communist rhetoric coming in the form of COVID vaccination.
Race health communism.
Yeah.
That's literally what they're saying.
I mean, they're not even scientifically based, even though they could make a scientific argument there.
But like I said, so this is why I'm genuinely concerned that Bill Gates isn't going to get the vaccine that he's lobbied so hard for.
He's in the danger zone.
He deserves it.
He is a hero of the republic.
He's saved millions of lives, I've got no doubt.
He deserves that vaccine.
But this racial agenda apparently goes all the way to our NHS. You found this, didn't you?
We've reported on this before, but I wanted to signal boost it again, because it ties in perfectly.
This was a text sent to someone in Reading in the UK, and you had to fill in this form at the local NHS clinic.
And if you had to put your ethnicity, and usually there's a category to say, I prefer not to say, and the NHS didn't allow that.
You had to give them one.
You had to say you were Arab, a different ethnic group, black, Asian, mixed, or white.
Because, as they say at the top, government guidance requires us to record the ethnicity of our patients to prioritise healthcare.
Including the COVID vaccine.
So we're going to be prioritising healthcare based on racial categories.
Again, I'm so concerned Bill Gates is going to miss out on this virus, vaccine.
So I'm genuinely worried about his health.
He's my hero.
Let's do this in chats.
I mean, Obama should definitely be first on the list then.
Yeah, I mean, he's...
Yeah, if we're going to be doing a racial hierarchy, we could at least, you know, help those people out who have done so much for us.
Even though George W. Bush is older, it doesn't matter.
Yep, yep.
You ain't black.
Yeah.
Right, Jared Graham says, if you need a realtor anywhere in the world, look me up, jaredgraham.realtor.
Okay.
What's a realtor?
Someone who deals in real estate.
Charlie the Beagle says, would love to hear your analysis on the film It's a Wonderful Life.
Also Mayo for Sam.
I haven't actually seen It's a Wonderful Life, although I'm aware of it through cultural diffusion.
Andrew Haley for $100.
Oh my god, thank you, man.
Boston Patriot here, sorry about the tea.
Well, actually, I have some tea from Boston.
It's not the authentic tea from the harbour, admittedly, but I had to pick some up while I was there.
But, you know, maybe 250 years, 300 years.
No, you're not quite forgiven yet.
Samuel Adams has a great quote on liberty versus security.
It highlights the cultural divide in US politics beautifully.
Yeah, and I think it comes really from the French Revolution.
I'm going to do a premium video about this.
So again, another reason to sign up at Logistics.com because I've been looking into the revolutions of the Enlightenment quite heavily.
And the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen is actually very different textually than the Declaration of Independence in the United States.
And there are some significant differences and things that creep in through the French version that aren't present in the English version.
And I think this is the source of all of the differences and difficulties that happen on the continent compared to the relative settlement and peace that came from the American one.
But I'll do that next week.
It'll be on the website.
But thank you again, Andrew.
There is something that...
I know you're saying just a quote about liberty versus security.
But I've always seen...
You know how Marxists aren't...
I mean, generally, Marxists aren't patriotic anyway.
They're not type of states.
But they're always looking for their ideological pinnacle.
You ask them.
So point to a socialist country that you put up as what you'd want.
And they never can.
Well, they point some obscure Spanish commune that existed for 50 minutes until the fascists took it over.
Yeah, they can never point an actual socialist state that existed in reality because it always turns out terrible.
The Paris Commune was great.
This anarchist group in Manchuria were really good at this.
Yeah, yeah.
But the point I wanted to say was, as people who believe in liberalism and would define ourselves as liberals, that's one of the weird things.
We always like the British system because it's ours and it's the one that came up with these liberal ideas.
But the United States is the country that put these in its forefront because the British system might be influenced by liberalism, but fundamentally it is still a monarchy ruled by this.
The church and everything.
I'm not saying in reality, obviously.
It's not that.
Liberalism is not inherently anti-monarchical.
Of course.
But it is inherently constitutional.
If you take a liberal philosophy and make it your constitution, you know, if I had to point to a liberal state...
Yeah, it's the apotheosis of English liberalism.
I would point to it and say that's an implementation of liberalism.
Yeah, and it's the best one so far.
It's also the best country that's ever existed, in my opinion, for terms of freedom and wealth and all the rest of it.
Success, personal liberties, guaranteed rights under a constitution.
As English republicanism has shown, it can go very, very well.
I don't want to sound unpatriotic, but there's only so many people we're going to throw in jail for tweets before I start getting pretty upset.
I mean, yeah, but maybe this could be a move towards a legal version of the First Amendment.
I'm hopeful.
I would love it, but BS. But anyway, I'm going to go through this in detail because I think it's actually really, really illuminating.
And I think that the Americans and the English-speaking people who are watching us will genuinely find it nourishing.
They'll find something very useful in it.
And understanding the distinction, and it hinges on the fact that the Americans don't guarantee you property.
But anyway, I'll go over it in the premium content.
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Callum calls Hugo simps cockroaches and gets frustrated.
Callum has a girlfriend, but we've never seen her.
Mmm, good point.
She left me, actually.
Sorry.
So, ladies, Callum's single.
Mewstream again.
Hugo is Callum's girlfriend confirmed?
Cool.
Well, I mean, Enigmatic says, would hang fire on the celebrations this precedent will have to be tested in the UK Supreme Court for that?
That's true.
Still, we do know we can trust some of our judges with this and the Harry Miller case.
That's a great point, actually.
For anyone who doesn't know, the UK Supreme Court is an illegitimate body that should be abolished.
A disgusting continental invention that does not fit the British system at all and needs to be gotten rid of.
Moving on.
Mute stream.
Hugo belongs to the Simps Callum.
Team Hugo.
President-elect Jai Biden says, Trump is going to be a rhino in Biden's China shop.
God, let's hope so.
Not so stealthy yet, he says.
I'm getting married today.
Well, congratulations.
Soon start making babies.
Well done.
We'll raise them on classical liberalism and gun rights.
Loving the website.
Keep up the good work.
Service guarantees citizenship.
Thank you very much.
And good luck, man.
Good luck.
That sounds like a good life path you've got planned out.
And what I like about this life path, right, is not only is it a satisfying thing to do, right, it is a satisfying thing to raise your own kids and have kids, but it's also eminently achievable, unlike, you know, weird, you know, oh, we've got these great ideas, these grand revolutionary plans.
Yeah, you're not going to do them, you know, but you could get married, raise a family, own a house, start your own business, you know, and have a life of prosperity and happiness.
That is actually within your reach.
So be practical.
Jacob C. says, quote, Barricade Garage.
Respect cannot be legislated, it has to be earned.
That's true.
Same with happiness, in fact, Klaus.
You can't distribute happiness.
Thank you for all you do, lads.
Keep it up and Godspeed.
Do you mind reading me?
My voice is going a bit.
Yeah, where are we leave-offs?
Josh.
Yep.
So, Josh Leek, I guess.
Hail all!
China is looking for new lands to fuel their growing army, as well as looking to genetically altering the troops.
Yes, we should be nervous with Joe when Papa China comes for a visit.
I didn't know anything about that, so we'll have to check into that.
Genetically altering their troops?
I wouldn't put it past them.
Yeah, I was going to say, would I put it past the Communist Party?
no of course not Morgan long name hi guys been looking sorry been loving your content so far was wondering if you were going to add a search function to the website at some point we can definitely ask for one Right, it's on the developers to-do list apparently.
Also, maybe have a way to organize them by date.
Also, Hugo Simps gay.
Definitionally, probably, yes.
Because they're probably all men.
But yes, we can definitely put in a request for that.
Arden, Scottish law isn't common law, it's Roman law.
I knew it.
I didn't know, no, but I had my suspicions that that was going to be the case.
I thought it was going to come out of Roman canon law.
And what's really interesting as well is there are a bunch of...
This is why this rule of law book's good.
There are a bunch of provisions that the English had developed literally for hundreds of years that when the Act of Union came about were enforced on the Scots because they didn't have all the habeas corpus and all the sort of stuff.
And we were like, no, no, you have to have this.
And they were like, why?
Because this is good.
That's why.
I don't know how much you touched on it, but there was the Helen Dale interview Carl did a while back, which goes into that topic.
If you want to know more, Helen Dale's great.
We've been forcing civil rights on the Scots for hundreds of years, and we'll do it again.
Mr.
Griffin, shame the rest of the UK isn't like the great and superior country of Lincolnshire.
Wouldn't need all these ridiculous speech codes.
Speech laws, sorry.
Well, I mean, I've never actually been to Lincolnshire.
Is the case from Lincolnshire?
Is that what you're talking about?
I don't know.
I assume so.
I should check.
The High Court's in London, so that's why I'm...
Yeah, but the case, presumably, is in Lincolnshire.
Okay, well, base Lincolnshire.
Yeah.
Doomhand, Merry Christmas and congratulations on the legal win for freedom of speech.
Hopefully the states will have similar views on speech during the asterisk presidency.
Yes, yes.
Well, I mean, you guys are at least constitutionally guaranteed.
You know, you have courts that their loyalty is to the Constitution and reading it as intended.
So, at the end of the day, you're way more protected than we are.
There's actually a bit you put out on their Twitter page that the Trump administration is doing something good in the last time that they can because it's looking like it's going to be Biden.
But they want to make it so a financial institution can only de-platform you on the basis of something financially wrong.
Like waterworks or electricity.
That would be excellent, yeah.
Definitely needed, because you literally can't live without the ability to access finances.
Yes.
If it's all done via the internet, PayPal becomes your god.
Or even just your bank account.
I mean, we've seen people in Europe, I don't know if it's happened in the US, where just banks, like multiple banks will just drop you, and then you're not able to get a bank account.
Yep.
That's the kind of sanctions we put on foreign arms dealers.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, like, you know, people, like, there was a feminist group who got deplatformed from the co-op banking.
And it's like, really?
Like, for being TERFs?
But this is what we do to Carrie Lam, for example, the premier of Hong Kong.
That's why she has to walk around with bags of cash.
Yeah.
Anyway.
I think that if the framework you're setting up there did exist, then they definitely don't want the serfs to have more babies.
I mean, Bill Gates keeps talking about population control.
So I think that's the opposite incentive.
But I'm looking forward to him having his vaccine.
Stigma of the Rose says, listening to all of these claims about hate speech pushed by Labour, how has Jeremy Corbyn not been arrested for his anti-Semitism?
Good question.
Dog Whistle says, saw someone run a red light in a really anti-Semitic way.
Hate crime reported.
Thank you.
Thank you for your service, sir.
Edward of Woodstock says, Someone told me that we lost 100 years war.
Hate crime reported.
Really ruined my chevalier.
Emotional harm was immeasurable.
That is such a good comment there.
And there are going to be so many people who don't appreciate the depth of that joke.
But on the plus side, you might end up going to jail.
And that might well be a hate crime against the French.
Once in 110, we should seize all Chinese assets and redistribute them.
As communists, they should applaud it.
Well, I was thinking about this.
Should socialists be allowed to own property?
No.
Well, there we go.
Argument over.
You know, hold them to their own standards.
Nobody should own property.
Okay, starting with you.
We'll see how long you're a socialist for after that.
Like, I'm a liberal.
I believe in rights, so I have to have rights.
Yes.
Oh, no.
You're a socialist.
You don't believe in property.
Then you don't have property.
The Earl of Longford says, Well, that's the European Union, isn't it?
The Holy Roman Empire, Mark II. And I don't really want that.
I think populations do kind of get the government they deserve.
They do, though, yeah, that's right.
I'm not your buddy, guys.
Seriously, tell me which country China isn't buying up.
This is why I worry we will all be under that red flag in a decade in some form or another.
Well, this is why...
I can't remember the name of...
Is it John Ratcliffe?
The Director of National Intelligence in the United States literally said they'll allow us to...
They'll build our stuff.
They'll buy up our infrastructure.
They'll steal our intellectual property and then sell it back to us.
And then outcompete our companies by undercutting them.
It's like, okay...
If I have to guess a country they're not buying, I'd probably guess Belarus because there's nothing to buy.
Yeah.
Anyway.
Jay Walker.
It gets better is the most frightening words of the podcast for several episodes now.
Yeah, we actually have white bills.
Yeah, we actually have some good news today, so...
The engaged few had sent some money for the comedy gold that was the witch dunking yesterday.
Thank you very much.
Oh, by the way, on yesterday's stream, we don't know what happened to it.
So we don't delete the streams, obviously, manually.
We checked all of the software, and we couldn't find anything that auto-deletes a stream afterwards.
The closest we can find is YouTube's back end, which is auto-hiding a stream, but even when stuff's hidden, unlisted, you can still see it.
And it was just gone.
So we assume it was a bug.
But if you're worried about us disappearing, you can always sign up to locates.com and visit the site.
I've got to shell it because it's ours.
But the point is, we're going to be soon...
But also, if this does happen again, that's where to find stuff.
Yeah, exactly.
That is where to find stuff.
But also, we're going to be setting up the ability to stream to the website at some point, so we will have backups.
We will be secure.
But this is why we're asking people to sign up, because this means we're guaranteed jobs.
The Earl of Longford, based lords, noblesse obligé.
Yeah, noblesse obligé.
The obligations of the nobility to the peasantry underneath them.
Possible Pilot Deviation said, if I had a dollar for every gender, I'd have two dollars and a stack of counterfeit bills.
Oof, disavow.
Disavow.
Two stacks.
Roughneck MP says, stay strapped or get clapped.
George Washington, allegedly.
Well, I mean, even if he didn't say it, I think that really is the spirit of what he was driving at, isn't it?
And I really mean that.
That is actually the spirit of what Washington was saying.
And he wasn't wrong.
Adam Jensen.
Don't throw the Celts under the bus.
The Cornish just want to grill, and it's the only county in the UK where you can say the gamer word without fear.
You know, that's a great point.
The Cornish do seem...
I lived in Cornwall for three years, and they do just want to grill.
They're very local.
But that sort of proves the point that it's not the Celts are the problem, it's the Celtic systems of governance.
Like, provided you're under the Anglo system of governance, everything seems to work fine.
Yeah.
Well, no, that is, and again, the reason that I wanted to do this book, The Rule of Law, because it really highlights that the thing that England gave uniquely to the world, that was uniquely English and uniquely good, was good governance.
That was what it was.
Limits on the amount of power the state should have.
And there are some really, really great historical precedents that we can actually take some pride in.
Because these are, you know, unimpeachably good things that have been done.
And so all of the other things that say, oh, England's bad for this, things bad for that, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure.
But you're not being tyrannized right now by your own government.
And the reason you're not being tyrannized is because we invented human rights.
I'd love to convince, you know, the SNP to just want to grill again.
Like, if we can get back to that, that'd be great.
Prince of Parma says, Do you know what Ceres is?
No.
It's the Roman term for China.
The Latin term for China.
Did they ever make contact or not?
Yes, they did.
That's amazing.
The Chinese were convinced they'd be able to take the Roman Empire with no sweat.
You wouldn't have done China, but anyway.
Possible pilot deviation.
The situation with China reminds me less of the Cold War and more of an economic geopolitical race before World War I. We'll have to fight them eventually.
I think that it's probably going to happen, yeah.
It's sort of the leftovers of the Cold War.
Yeah, it's an inheritance of the French Revolution, frankly.
Jonathan Glennon says, Long time fan.
Our band's last album was inspired by George Orwell, which I discovered through you.
Thank you for introducing me to so many great ideas.
Well, thank you very much.
Possible pilot deviation again.
Christ.
We're sitting here thinking Carl was the poorly dressed one today, but I'm certain that Callum wore that shirt Wednesday.
I'm disappointed, chaps.
No, this is another shirt, isn't it?
Yeah, we've got to go shopping to Marks and Spencers more, though.
Yeah.
So, probably going after the stream.
Poorly dressed as a nice jumper.
See what you've done?
You've introduced standards, and now we've got to do these things.
We need equality.
I want to go back to wearing Primark, but...
LJ says, it's just going to be water in Biden's vaccine, mate.
Well, if that's the case, I want to know what racist decided that a white man doesn't deserve the vaccine, because I think that's what happened with the other chap who didn't get the vaccine.
And with Bill Gates, I want to make sure that even white men are able to get these vaccines.
Mr.
Everyman says, Well, that's good.
He wasn't racially discriminated against.
LJ says...
How do you get away with that?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Don't forget it's Chai Comms working at Pfizer.
Of course it is.
And we actually know this because of the leaked database of Chinese Communist Party members.
Person of the Year's Vatinek.
I hope I'm pronouncing that right.
Vatinek?
It's about Nick.
I don't know.
The Russian knows.
If I was Prime Minister, I'd cut all iron ore exports to China and bring China to its knees.
But then again, I'm just evil.
All you could just do is Australia does and don't send them...
Well, he is Australian.
Oh, yeah.
So, you know, dude, I don't even think it's evil to say that you need to bring China to its knees.
China needs to bend the knee, frankly.
It absolutely does.
And the arrogance that comes out of China needs to change.
Paulie P says, Have you read Maoism by Julia Lovell?
I have not.
About international support for China, including a schoolboy named Andrew Marr distributing Maoist literature.
Yeah.
Red Andy.
Was he?
Yeah.
Apparently that's the nickname he got.
He used to hand out so much communist propaganda at university.
But so was Tony Blair.
Yeah.
So was Keir Starmer.
All these people used to be communists.
And it's the amazing thing, they just get away with him.
You don't get ex-neo-Nazis running the Conservative Party.
Yeah.
Nick Griffin isn't a member of the Conservative Party.
Well, that was my young radical days.
Not even just a member, running it, you know?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'd love to talk to Keir Starmer about being a Maoist.
So what was it about his farming techniques that moved you, Keir?
Convincing Rian...
Oh, sorry.
Zeus says, Timio Danos et Donda Ferentes.
I have no idea what that means.
I'm going to Google it.
Convincing reality.
The Scottish government sucks up to China.
Oh, I fear Greeks bearing gifts.
Right, yes, yes.
Convincing reality.
The Scottish government sucks up to China so much, to a ridiculous degree, I can't abide by how regressive this country continues to become.
I'll be moving south of the border once done with university.
Yeah, I'm happy for us to take Scottish refugees.
We've already got one, to be honest.
I'm happy for England to take us.
You see the socialist simping for the socialist, even though it's not real socialism.
Yeah, it's weird, isn't it?
I mean, why aren't they deeply critical of China's failure to create communism?
Doomhan says, saying it's not a weapon, it's a friend, sounds an awful lot like Jim Jones telling his followers, don't fear the Reaper.
Yeah, disavow.
YouTubers said we cannot say anything negative about the coronavirus vaccine, so we'll say nothing but positive things about the coronavirus vaccine, including just how important it is that Bill Gates gets it.
And please keep it that way in the Super Chats.
Yes.
Louis Epps Jr.
So, the tea set, where is it?
In the interview with Auntie No, that you would have seen if you'd signed up to Lodicees.com.
Me and Andy have a nice tea time.
He chose a very nice tea, actually, and we have a very nice personal conversation.
John's just reset the soup chat, so I'll just have to wait for that to come back up.
I feel kind of bad for that guy now, because he spent five US dollars to save that, and the sign-ups fight.
What is it, five pounds?
Yes.
Sorry.
We will do another one.
Sales, he says, Beijing, no heat over coal shipment.
Paper Dragon.
Yes.
I mean, there's the thing.
We stopped trading with them.
You know, it's like the UK during the Second World War.
The big problem we had is we imported so much stuff that we were then at risk of the Germans sinking.
Yeah, attacking our shipping.
The Chinese got the exactly same problem.
This is a weapon you can use against them.
But it's not only that.
China as a manufacturing power only came about in the early 2000s as well.
It hasn't always been this way.
It's not inevitable that it continues this way either.
So, anyway.
Classical positioning says, I don't know what's going to happen here in the US with the election and vaccines and whatever other than insanity is coming down the pipelines.
I just hope we come out of the other end with Trump as president for a second term.
Man, me too.
But honestly, I'm getting pessimistic.
Not because I think that he didn't win.
I think that...
I mean, Joe Biden is clearly the most popular candidate ever.
But I think it'll...
Frankly, a lack of moral courage will be demonstrated.
We'll go over some election updates on Monday because there's been a lot happening and I want to take the time to go through it to make sure I've got everything correct.
But anyway, Nightmarish Visions...
Oh, sorry, no.
Person of the Year, Svatinek...
How will we know if any of these so-called leaders are getting the real vaccine and not the harmless saline solution?
That's right.
I don't want our leaders going without the real vaccine.
That would be a tragedy.
And frankly, probably racist.
So we should probably have someone double-checking that.
Nightmarish Vision says, We'd love to support the vaccination of all our minorities, but I don't want to be accused of...
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
YouTube's not going to let me say that.
Nobody wants to be in the Tedros category in 10 years time.
So, financial specialist.
Thank you for bringing racial awareness to this important issue and please continue to champion Bill Gates to get his most deserved vaccine.
We all owe him a great debt of gratitude.
We'll crowdfund it if you need it, Bill.
Yeah, I mean, if for some reason you can't afford it somehow...
Even after you've built it yourself.
Yeah, maybe...
The second richest man on Earth.
Maybe we need a petition or something.
Bill Gates to have my dose of the vaccine.
You know, I'm happy to give mine to Bill for his safety because of his great debt that I owe him.
Personally, as Svatnick, Klaus Schwab talks about the Fourth Industrial Revolution.
I missed the Second and Third.
Could he be talking about the Fourth Reich?
He has written a book about it, which I suppose at some point we should probably read, because it's going to be relevant, I imagine.
Scotty says, The Calum body pillow is better than the Hugo.
It's half as long, but twice as based.
Sargon is losing his stuffing, but built to last half.
stand uh convincing reality says i'm currently in my first year of adult nursing at university the left-wing bias praise for inclusion unconscious bias is openly on full display dude feel free to take some pictures or take some materials and email them over to tips at lotusseeders.com and we'll happily publish them so people can see what you have to deal with uh i can't pronounce that but uh for 20 dollars he says i'll i'd never leave you callum yeah Well, I mean, a gender-neutral person says, I'd never leave you, Callum.
So you've got simps.
Zeronex says, I love the idea of following examples of old people who don't expect to have more kids or former leaders on the C-19 vaccine issue.
Ignore the mortality rate is lower than regular influenza.
Stick me.
Well, that's really not the question, is it?
You know, the question is about other things.
Compliance, I think we could call it.
Anyway, Griffia, here's a fiver towards a robot waifu, Callum.
Oh, that's nice.
You're not getting that new paycheck.
Years the Eunuch says, having a long-form conversation in Q&A about the koof jab and pandemic data with an epidemiologist on my channel.
In about four hours, you're all invited.
Go check out Years the Eunuch if you'd like to know more.
Be careful, though, Years, because YouTube's terms and conditions explicitly prevent criticism of the vaccine itself, which is why we're...
Yes, it actually says this in terms of service, which is why we fully endorse the COVID vaccine, especially for the great and good.
Robert Dunn says, important to note the US Constitution does not guarantee happiness either.
It guarantees the pursuit of happiness.
Crucial distinction.
Well, yeah, I'll get into that.
But they really, like, that's built on property ownership, essentially.
But I'll get into it.
But you're exactly right, Robert.
David Buckley says, shirt code doesn't apply to the boss, apparently.
This is neat.
This is neat.
I was happy to wear the Primark every day.
This is from Primark.
No, I don't think it is, actually.
I think it's from Marks& Spencers.
Gregor Chopin says, Did Klaus Schwab sabotage the stream with the mold couch lately?
Greetings from Brat vs.
Land.
Visit again.
I do love bratwurst.
But no, I don't know.
We really don't know what happened to the last one.
Thank you for the Canadian dollar, Kyle King.
Guitar operator says, the amount of people in the West simping hard for China while claiming the Union flag or stars and stripes as a banner of oppression is truly terrifying.
I told a friend about the Muslim camps in China.
They laughed.
Yeah, a lot of people don't really believe that these things are happening.
But I mean, what was it?
The Atlantic did an amazing piece on it.
Like a really, really good long-form piece.
And it's like, right, okay.
This is actually terrible.
The New York Times as well.
For all the criticism and deservedly they get, occasionally they do do a really good piece of investigative journalism.
Yeah, CNN did a piece the other day.
I was like, my God, CNN has done a journalism.
Should I tell people?
Hang on.
The BBC got invited there.
I just remembered.
The Chinese government invited news organizations like the BBC to go to these camps and then spun it as re-education camps where they were, what was it, combating extremist terrorism.
It's like, how can you deny they don't...
The CCP says they exist.
Just saying.
MuteStream says, Don't worry, Callum, you can buy a Hugo Bolly pillow.
But no, seriously, Sansa here.
Take care, man.
Stay strong, because you seem like an awesome dude.
Oh, that's nice.
EZE says, 2020 feels like the year where China could have swept its competition, but communist bureaucracy is so inefficient they're struggling to keep minor gains.
Well, I mean, to be honest with you, there's been no resistance.
At all.
And as soon as people are like, oh, should we let China own everything we have?
Possibly not, chaps.
There's just a very, very slight resistance.
Eric Edwards says, my problem is if I simp for Hugo, my girlfriend simps for Callum.
Kyle King, another dollar, thank you.
Zoranek says, UK's utopia depicted population control through convenient purchases for low-income areas.
We didn't see the vaccine angle.
Hashtag collectivist so clever.
Zach Redpiller says...
I don't know what it is, but we can disavow.
Yeah, disavow.
Zach Redpiller says, you should look up Harry Dent's work on the impact of demographics on economies.
China isn't a long-term threat.
The one-child policy killed them.
I'm not actually...
Well...
I will.
We'll be interviewing someone about that.
Will we?
Next week.
Oh, okay.
Morgan Lamory-Ryu.
Say my name, Callum.
No.
Stop being French.
I can't say that.
He's already sent two stacks, Callum.
So, I'm not working on a...
Don't pretend you're incorruptible.
I'm not a Democrat.
I don't vote for Biden.
Kizhakt says, Remember the counter-Uri plan.
Moral stabilisation, secureness, normalisation.
Kizhakt was right.
Well, yeah, absolutely.
Remoralisation is everything what we do.
This is, in fact, why I'll be doing The Rule of Law by Bingham.
Because if ever there was a book that gives solid grounding to the remoralization of the West, the English-speaking West, it's this.
And the wonderful way about it as well.
Because English scholars and intellectuals always had this kind of understated way of putting things, and Bingham follows in this tradition.
So it's a real pleasure to read.
But anyway, I'm not going to keep going on about it.
It'll be out next week.
The only double stack you give to the communists are double stack magazines emptied in their direction.
Well, I mean, you know, hunting trips.
Philipp Aboudi says, I looked at BG's population control speech and he says, better health means less children.
Bill Gates says, die young, less children are needed.
Health care equals population control.
And the thing is, he's not wrong.
Disavow.
He's not wrong.
You have to disavow.
That's YouTube's terms of service.
Oh, well, no.
The vaccination, as far as we're aware, doesn't do anything like that.
But what he's saying is raising standards of living, bringing people into middle class standards, means they have to have less children and they've got more access to childbirth and things like this.
That's a legal statement?
Yeah.
That's what he's saying.
He's not saying the vaccine has anything to do with it.
What he's saying is standards of living reduce the number of children that people have.
And that's a true statement.
That is true.
But anyway...
The Manx are the true chads of the Isles.
I should know I have a very distant claim to the blessed Isle of Man.
World will wait between now and January the 6th.
Well, dude, press your claim and claim that the Isle of Man is your own.
Your own duchy.
Wolfet de Leon.
Have you read The Fourth Turning?
I have not read The Fourth Turning.
Have you read it?
I haven't heard of it.
I'm afraid we've really got to hurry on because we've got another interview we have to do after this.
Philip Baboudi, he says it as though he expects everyone to make the jump from healthy children to mums in a hut not wanting to have more kids because hers are alive.
Yeah, he does.
I saw the speech you were talking about.
He does...
Compress it.
Compress a lot of information very quickly and therefore lead you to the expectation that literally people in mud huts in Africa will then become middle class suburbanites in America.
But anyway, he's not wrong about the trend though.
The Civic Nationalist says America and Britain became flawed when we allowed the Europeans in.
Correct.
Their authoritarian ideas will always poison our liberal values.
Correct.
And that's exactly right.
In fact, it's weird how the ideas that we're currently struggling with have done a long route from England to the States, to France, to Germany, to Russia, and then various ways back to us.
So I guess we get what we deserve.
Convincing Reality says, Christmas jumper stream coming in the next week.
It's not a bad idea.
It's not a bad idea, actually.
Yeah, let's go shopping.
Yeah.
Okay, right.
Thank you, everyone, for joining us.
Hopefully, this stream won't just disappear, but if it does, you can always go to lotuses.com and find more content from us, and we will see you on Monday.