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	With some kind of collectivist identity.
	And obviously, we are against identity politics as a form of governance.
	But he is saying, look, it's okay to act on generalizations, on general blocks of information, because everyone else does.
	And when we say, as the only race of people who say, oh, no, no, it's just up to the individual, we do so at our own detriment because we're now at a disadvantage when other people say, hey, we're a group, black people, when other people say, hey, we're a group, Jewish people, hey, we're a group, Somalis.
	He's already rejected the premise that there's a problem with looking at group identity as opposed to strictly the individual.
	So you may disagree with it, but Pierce Morgan hasn't done his research because that's no longer a valid line of attack.
	Nick, you've seen it.
	He'll go, well, yeah, I think that people operate as blocks in communities.
	And I think that every other demographic looks at generalizations and they use that to inform your decisions.
	And it's okay for white people to do so as well.
	You may disagree with it, but he's already addressed that point.
	So there's no reason to waste time on your father's half Mexican.
	Chat, chat, fuck.
	All right.
	First chat from Mike A. Patterson.
	Question for Crew.
	Did anything Nick Fuentes said change your minds?
	In the interview?
	Yes.
	Hmm.
	That's a good.
	No, because again, it was my job to kind of question him and clarify.
	So he wasn't really in the position to be, you know, convincing me.
	I would say, if anything, what did surprise me, and I told him this afterward, because he did go on a show and he was very praising and very nice.
	That goes beyond the interview.
	He did, and I will say he's been known to release texts and private communications.
	He did go on to say, hey, you know what?
	He said, you know, Crowder, his people reached out and they said that they were going to press me and ask me, you know, to give out, kind of flesh out my ideas.
	And that's exactly what they did.
	He could have been a dick.
	And he would have been within his right to because, you know, I said some bad things about him and he said some bad things about me.
	He said something to this effect.
	I told him that if he had lied about the Groypers, the stuff like people coming out and encouraging them to troll, that it would have been a different interview.
	The fact that he right away said, yeah, I think they kind of did.
	And okay, that's fair.
	He admitted it.
	I did, my perception changed where, look, here's the truth.
	A lot of people who have interviewed Nick in the past have been doxxed or have been swatted.
	I don't know, and I don't know that I've ever seen Nick make that call.
	I know that I've seen him in recent months at least condemn it post-Charlie Kirk.
	I do know that I've seen him condemn it, but he also acknowledged the trolling thing.
	I thought, here's what changed.
	I said, you know what?
	I think this, he was in his early 20s and everyone was trolling.
	And in his mind, sending people to troll Charlie Kirk or Bench or my shows, like to ask questions, whatever it is, about the USS Liberty or like that's a game.
	He called it a game in the interview.
	Yeah.
	And I, you know, even though I think it's kind of crappy, I can understand how someone could view that as a game and not necessarily be looking to have people swatted or doxed because a lot of people have experienced that.
	I think it's just there is a subset of his audience that is somewhat unstable because they feel marginalized.
	Rightfully so they have been.
	And so they fight back.
	And sometimes it's aimed at the wrong targets.
	I got the sense that, you know, I don't know that Nick is specifically a part of that.
	And I don't get the sense that he is doing that now.
	He acknowledged that it was kind of a game and he kind of played it sometimes to his detriment.
	And so my perception changed a bit on that.
	I mean, he was in his early, early 20s.
	And I'm one of the only other people who grew up in the public eye the same way, right?
	In my late teens, early 20s with a blue bed sheet.
	Now, I wasn't on for hours at that point.
	These were individual installments with videos.
	I guarantee you there would be things in my early 20s if I was rolling for two hours that I wouldn't want to be held to now, especially if taken out of context.
	So I had to allow for it.
	Hey, anyone out there maybe wish you could word something more carefully than what you said in your 20s, which is why I tried to get to the issues where we might actually have disagreement contextually or more recent things as far as, okay, is this what you believe now?
	And can you see why people have a problem with that?
	So I wouldn't say he changed my mind or anything, but I would say my perception changed somewhat for the more popular.
	The fact too that he said, if I could say, you know what, I shouldn't have said it that way.
	That's huge for me.
	I would say it differently.
	If it's true, like if he truly believes that.
	And I understand people are saying, oh, he's just doing what Coleman Hughes says.
	But I asked him about that.
	No, I know.
	And I appreciated that.
	But when he said, you know, I probably shouldn't have said that.
	You know, if I could take that back, I would.
	I was, okay.
	Here's what changed.
	I haven't seen that before.
	Here's what changed.
	Yeah.
	Here's what changed.
	I think I have a sense for not the fan base, but Nick himself.
	I think he has a code.
	And I think he can, you know, like all of us can react in a way sometimes that's emotionally charged and maybe you overreach, especially when you're broadcasting for a long time.
	And I think if you look at, for example, Tucker or you look at Candace, he turns on everyone.
	I understand, but I also understand they did kind of do him dirty.
	If after this interview, he goes on a show and says, and Pierce Morgan, you know, and by the way, he did what he did and it wasn't right and it wasn't done in good faith.
	Are people going to say, see, that's Nick, sour grapes?
	This was done as kind of a hit job.
	And if Tucker Carlson did that interview and was friendly with him, but then at dinner was asking him about his association with white supremacists and then afterwards throws him under the bus, I do think that's shitty.
	And I think that Nick does have a code.
	Like I set the rules.
	I asked him if he was okay with it.
	And the entire interview, he played by them.
	And so did I.
	And not everybody does that.
	I think that he does have a, if he, if he, and I could be wrong, and if you guys think I could just be completely led by the nose and then he could break bad and say, Stephen Growder is a piece of crap, paid by Apex.
	I don't think he is going to.
	I think that very few people have given him exactly what they said they would as far as an interview.
	And I'm willing to bet that that's the case because I've had it happen with me.
	I've had it happen with me where I get brought on and I get asked about being a racist or you have someone trying to go, hey, you're a woman beater or despite a court record showing the exact opposite.
	Very few people who have a longer court record showing the opposite.
	I've had it happen.
	And so if someone says, look, I'm going to bring you on and I'm going to disagree.
	This is what we'll touch on.
	I will avoid this.
	Sometimes you'll have a host say, I don't want to talk about this.
	And I'll say, okay.
	I'll say, you know, I don't want to talk about this.
	Let's laser in.
	And then they just go rogue.
	And I've had it even happen with Pierce, not to this degree.
	So I did think like, okay, I understand him a little better.
	I still disagree with him on some fundamentals, but I understand where he's coming from a little bit more.
	And I do think he has, I will say this, I do think he has more integrity than people like Tucker or Candace.
	People who don't ever show up to defend their views.
	You know, it's just a tough one for me.
	People who make the walk.
	And I think that he does kind of have a code.
	And I think if he feels as though you're being misleading or sandbagging, that he goes scorched earth for right or wrong.
	Next chat.
	All right.
	Next chat.
	This is more of a comment than a question, I guess, but Con Wolf says it was a very good listen.
	I can listen to what Crowder thinks every day.
	Wanted to hear Nick, got to hear him, didn't care for much of it, but got to hear it unfiltered.
	And see, that's fine.
	That's the point, right?
	I wanted people to leave going, okay, I disagree with this.
	Or, you know what?
	Okay, maybe I want to hear more of it and see why he believes XYZ.
	I know that there are people there who are fans of Nick who were surprised that it was more fair.
	And I know there were some people who were surprised that it was maybe more friendly than you thought.
	Or some people who thought, hey, it was shitty to play those clips and it was tedious.
	That's why I did it the way that I did.
	And I will say this.
	I think that we conducted the best interview with someone like this of anyone out there.
	Some people just go, yeah, you're great.
	And then people like this go, but aren't you a racist?
	Who is that?
	Who is that serving?
	Nobody other than the person trying to get clicks or just do audience capture.
	And Nick did say, too, he said, it would have been easy for Crowder to have me on and just crap on me and sandbag me and cut me off.
	He said, that would have been easier for him to do.
	He didn't have to do it the way that he did.
	And even though he said, I don't like listening to those clips, it's not my favorite part.
	He said, but it was fair.
	Yeah.
	Well, there's a difference between having, you know, Jillian Michaels, we have a specific issue, right?
	People we've had specific issues with.
	We've had them on the show.
	But when we interview somebody like, you know, Myron Gaines, and he has a lot of very unpopular positions and positions that I vehemently disagree with.
	Of course.
	And so do you, right?
	We have a conversation about it.
	Let's get down to what you really actually believe.
	And for the first time ever, he's like, hey, maybe you don't sleep with 50 women.
	And we're like, clarify the position and help people see like, hey, there's a little difference.
	That's the kind of dialogue we've been talking about.
	When people like Jordan Peterson and, you know, the millions probably of people before him in the United States that have been calling for free speech and calling for people to be able to have dialogue, do you think they meant like just scream at them until they come around to your position?
	Right.
	Or do you think they meant maybe having a conversation and letting people make up their own minds?
	My God, quit farming out your ability to critically think to people that don't have any connection to this world.
	Don't do it to Piers Morgan.
	Don't put it in the hands of politicians or people in Hollywood.
	You have the ability to critically think and understand both sides and do some research.
	Take on the responsibility instead of yelling at your favorite host for not doing enough to expose this person.
	Hey, if they're so easy to expose, you're up.
	Go for it.
	You're at bat.
	Yep.
	When I hear people criticizing people like you for platforming someone like Nick or someone else they might not agree with, it reminds me as a comedian, it reminds me of the CNN reporter who did an hour-long interview with Tim Dylan, trying to get him to apologize for putting JD Vance on his show during an election.
	For the left trying to, you know, criticize Joe Rogan or trying to get him off the internet because he has different views or platforming a certain person.
	Like Mark Marin criticized in a comedy special criticizing Theo Vaughan for having the president, a former president and currently running president, presidential candidate on his show.
	That's what it reminds me of.
	It reminds me of a leftist talking point.
	It reminds me of some pussy shit saying, hey, you can't put them on there because I don't like what they say.
	Well, it's like, let's talk about platforming Pierce Morgan.
	This was a guy who wanted to remove your fund all Second Amendment rights.
	You understand that, right?
	Like around the same time that Nick Fointrust was 20 years old, Pierce Morgan was on mainstream news saying that the Second Amendment shouldn't apply and America has a gun problem and we need to get rid of all guns.
	We used to go back and forth on Twitter.
	Back then it was Twitter where I just lit him up because he was arrogant about it.
	So it's okay for me to be on a platform with someone like that.
	I mean, you can go back to an interview with Jesse Herps, the first transgender mayor.
	If I just think of it as an example, because it was a local sort of politician and it was still very respectful.
	Naomi Wolf.
	You can go back to interviews with their angry feminists.
	And I've always tried to conduct them the same way as a host.
	There's a different version of me as a host.
	It's my job to host.
	I've invited them in my house, press back.
	They can set the tone.
	If I'm a guest and I know I'm a guest going on to a panel where I only have 10, 15 minutes, you can see that with, what was his name?
	Walsh.
	God, I forgot.
	Not Matt Walsh.
	Joe Walsh.
	It's like, all right, I've only got 10 minutes to do this.
	This is going to be quite a bit different.
	Let's go.
	That's not the same as a two-hour interview where you're actually trying to get to the root disagreements.
	You can see me do it with people on the show who are actual communists.
	No one doubts where I stand.
	People talk about like platforming.
	That's the thing with, I will say, Ben Shapiro's been on the show many times.
	Ben Shapiro is sitting there on a panel with the people he was recently talking about how algorithms are destroying America.
	Like, isn't that a bigger problem that you're on a panel with Don Lemon and two other leftists who've helped orchestrate this problem?
	Why is it okay to platform those people?
	Also, didn't him and his company kind of create some algorithms?
	Bragged about it.
	Didn't they brag about how much money they spent to create specific algorithms?
	And didn't someone say, hey, your contracts are encouraging and doing the work of these algorithms?
	Not Ben, but Jeremy Boring specifically.
	My issue there was you do realize that if you penalize conservative creators, 25% for the first strike on YouTube and 15% thereafter, first off, is 110% penalties.
	But you realize that you're actually facilitating the algorithms and the terms of service for YouTube and Facebook.
	And the more conservatives you sign up, the more of a monolith it becomes with people who, per their contract from a conservative company, can't step out of line with these algorithms that are destroying America, right?
	It's almost like someone pointed that out.
	What a great deal they offered.
	Yeah, I would have rather rent a house from BlackRock.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	Give my money to those Mexicans.
	All right.
	Next chat.
	All right, next chat from my chimp.
	Question for the crew: Do you think that when Fuentes says he loves Stalin without immediately saying not the murder and genocide, he's trying to create buzz?
	Why else would he not?
	Sure, but I also heard him on a show, like we played the clip where he said, not those things.
	Obviously, not.
	It's horrible to cause human suffering.
	Like, I get it.
	I still think there's a little bit, there's a there's a little bit of that.
	Painting the hook.
	Yeah, with a little bit of like, you know, it's he called Piers a tabloid journalist, which I thought was hilarious.
	But there is a little bit of it.
	It's like kind of like clickbait, where it's like, here's a big, here's a big statement I made.
	Now watch the whole video.
	You go, oh, you get the whole context.
	You watch the whole video.
	It's kind of in the style of like a J. Jonah Jameson Spider-Man.
	It's like the big headline, and then, you know, you get the story.
	But in this case, it's, you know, you get more context in it.
	But I mean, I think even the context doesn't make it great where he's like, you know, and he's a winner.
	And so I still like, well, I disagree.
	That's why I said my, it was a very specific question.
	I said, so you're saying, okay, you're a Stalin admirer.
	I, you know, played the clip.
	You're a Stalin admirer.
	You're a fan.
	You know his birthday by heart.
	You don't want things that cause human suffering.
	So it's the secret police, the show trials, right?
	The gulags.
	I said, so considering that your endgame is very similar, because you've mentioned, you know, Catholic theocracy, and he sort of clarified what he meant by that.
	I said it's much more similar to something like an autocratic state.
	And he's someone you point to as an example because he was successful.
	What concrete example of revolutionary Stalin would you want to see emulated to achieve the end state?
	And that's where then that conversation begins there.
	So you're not spending time going, you said you live Stalin and the one, right?
	Like, no, okay.
	This is why people have an issue with that.
	No, but your dad made a joke about Olive Gordon and black people.
	That's right.
	Let's talk about it again.
	A lot of Applebee's two for 20, the spinach on the choke tape.
	But it says here you went to Popeyes and noticed that black people were there.
	What do you say to that?
	Hey, hey, shouldn't be surprised, didn't it?
	I'll go to Popeyes.
	I would expect a few black people.
	I don't know why he sounds like that.
	Actually, it makes his dad sound a little bit cooler that he was like, hey, we're not going to Olive Garden or we're not going to Red Lobster and Bennigan's or whatever he said it was of Applebee's.
	He's like, we're going to go somewhere else, maybe like a local joint.
	Yeah.
	Like, I get it.
	I like that guy more.
	Yeah, it was Applebee's and Red Lobster.
	I'm convinced that Bennigan's is a restaurant that never existed, and Stephen made it up.
	It did exist.
	You take your favorite restaurant to mention, and I'm like, I've never heard of it.
	I've never met a person.
	I love those old places.
	Back in the day, old school TGI Fridays, old school chilies, old school Bennigan's, old school Chi Chi's.
	What Bennigans?
	Bennigan's.
	Well, there was a house that I was in that I almost bought, and my realtor, who's great, she's very, she's very funny.
	She would actually bust my chops.
	There was an old house that just needed to be gutted.
	It was like the green carpet and stained glass sort of chandeliers.
	I was like, you know what?
	This isn't that bad.
	I said, it's kind of like Bennigan's.
	And then we go into work.
	We saw like, we saw like the Griswold, like the burden mark from the cats that had died.
	And she goes, no, this place, she goes, you can't just say it looks like Bennigan, Stephen.
	Because she didn't think the place existed.
	No, it's a real place.
	Bennigan's used to be fun.
	It did for about five minutes.
	I'll take it to my grave.
	As a kid.
	All right.
	You're a Friday's guy.
	Next chat.
	All right.
	Next chat.
	Let's see.
	Danny J, 1987 asks, if Nick doesn't hate Jews, why do the majority of self-identifying Groypers believe that he does and openly do themselves?
	Well, a lot of them definitely do.
	Or certainly, again, I can't speak for all of them, but I've definitely seen some things that are anti-Semitic.
	I think that if you deny the Holocaust, that's anti-Semitic.
	I think if you visit our chat, you'll find some in there.
	That's also because a lot of the gripers, a lot of Nick's fans come in there, and that's a big thing they do.
	They troll.
	They try and there's that sort of thing.
	And guys, I know you're here from the Nick interview.
	Please don't do that.
	Like, this is one thing I would say.
	And if I were to ever have another interview with Nick, I would ask him to like, hey, condemn that.
	You know, if your people are doing any swatting or doxing.
	Now, I know if I asked him that, he would go, well, that has nothing to do with me.
	And it wouldn't be fruitful.
	But could you do more to maybe discourage the kind of behavior that mass bullies people on other forms and just know, hey, no one here is paid by anybody.
	It's okay if we just disagree and you want to have a civil disagreement on that front.
	Like I said, I think that Nick has views that other people would by and large classify as anti-Semitic.
	He clarifies that he doesn't think they are and separates.
	He delineates between groups of Jews.
	But I understand that a lot of people would even look at what he says in detail and say, okay, I think there's an undercurrent of anti-Semitism.
	I don't think it's any, I don't think it's as severe as a lot of his followers saying the Holocaust didn't happen and expel all Jews.
	Because the thing is, if you expel all Jews from the United States and then you also believe that Israel shouldn't exist, well, then you are advocating for effectively a genocide.
	Where are you going to go?
	Where are you going to go?
	Canada?
	Yeah.
	I mean, maybe.
	I think, too, and we've kind of like everybody.
	No, no, nobody.
	Canada.
	We've discussed this.
	Like having honest conversations is fine.
	I think this has veered into, well, you have a conversation about this, and so therefore you're on one of the sides.
	You're either a Nazi shill or something like that, or you're a shill for Israel.
	And it's like, well, hold on.
	I can have a legitimate conversation about what really happened with the USS Liberty.
	And you guys know probably where I stand on that.
	Much more leaning towards accidental than them trying to get us into war.
	But I understand where people are coming from because I've had the conversations.
	I don't think they're anti-Semitic for asking.
	Asking how many people actually died and what was the methodology to kind of figure out how many people died in the Holocaust.
	That's totally fine.
	Unless you're saying the Holocaust didn't exist and trying to go at it from that direction.
	But having like a curiosity, well, how did they figure that out?
	There have been trials about this.
	There's been a ton of conversations.
	That's fine, too.
	Let me ask you.
	All of those things are fine.
	This is why sometimes people say I'm very, I'm too lenient.
	And here's something too: this is sort of a misconception.
	Charlie Kirk was far more rude and unfriendly to students than I ever was with Change My Mind.
	He would have them set up with a microphone and dunk.
	And then sometimes people were surprised, like, well, this goes on.
	It's like, sure, because I'm trying to walk them down the path.
	And if you're.
	Got a change of mind.
	Yes.
	That's really what it is.
	And if you are proselytizing, right?
	You're in a mission strip.
	Do you go, if someone goes like, ah, I don't want that, I don't want any of that Christian shit.
	Do you just go like, oh, they're an anti-Christian right away?
	Well, they reject.
	Or do you then ask a question?
	Well, hey, hold on.
	What do you know?
	Hey, how familiar are you with it?
	And do you explore every possibility until you get to the point where you go, well, this person rejects Christ.
	It's the same thing right now where there's a vein of anti-Semitism.
	And by the way, this, or an undercurrent with Candace Owens is an example where I know that people who believe what she says, they're maybe anti-Semitic because they believe what she says, and it's just not true.
	And so it's incumbent upon me to go, okay, but do you think that because you believe this?
	What if I could disabuse you of that and walk through it?
	And then if at the end of it, they go, I don't care.
	I just, I still think it's the Jews.
	Well, then I'll say anti-Semitic.
	But I can't just write them off.
	I mean, there would be no spread of Christianity if we treated it that way.
	There would be no spread of anything if we just went, oh, well, because they say so.
	Well, sure.
	But do they understand the fundamental premise?
	And have they been misinformed?
	And I will say this, that there are definitely some people, certainly the left has always done this.
	You know, for example, the left, people going, well, Donald Trump is a racist.
	So you watch me even black and white in the gray issues.
	You can go back to that clip.
	It's very much the same as with some of the Nick Fuente stuff, or certainly some of his fans, where I go, yeah, you said very fine people.
	But what if he said I'm not saying neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally?
	I said, well, I don't know.
	Maybe that would change.
	I haven't seen it.
	I said, yeah, but what if I could show you that tape?
	Well, I don't know.
	I said, but if I showed it to you, assume I'm not lying.
	I don't have it on a projector right now, but I send it to you.
	Would that change your mind?
	Well, I'd have to see it.
	I went through that same line of question.
	Do you think he's a racist because you believe this?
	But do you know this?
	And if they watch it, and if I show them two or three more clips and then show them that Arsenio Hall, the most talentless bag of nothing, won the celebrity apprentice.
	And I go, maybe he's not a racist.
	And they go, okay, maybe you've convinced me.
	Now we can have the conversation.
	But I'm going to press if I think they have been misinformed because I will tell you this.
	That is, if you can do that with those on the left, and I say this doing change my minds, if you can get through the misinformation and the false premise after false premise after false premise and get someone to accept that their premise is false, that is the only way I've seen people leave the left, leave wrong ideologies.
	It's the only way.
	And you have to afford them that opportunity.
	You have to afford them that opportunity and go, look, they may not know.
	Once you've gone through it, right, to each man what is known.
	Once you've gone through it, okay, you know now.
	Now, if I see you on the other side of that fence, if I see you saying very fine people, I know you're repeating a lie because I know that I informed you.
	I know that I showed you the clip, watched it with you, where you saw him say, I'm not saying white supremacists and neo-Nazis who should be condemned totally, whatever the exact quote is.
	I watched it with you.
	You said it would change the context and you're still repeating it.
	All right, now it's time to, now it's time to put on the foil coach because I know where you stand.
	That is what I believe.
	And I can tell you this because I've been around for a long time.
	I've seen so many people's minds changed.
	And I've seen so many people believe that they hold views that they don't actually hold.
	And I know the difference between those people and someone acting in bad faith.
	And it's important.
	How many times have I told you it's important to delineate between the two?
	Those who are died in the wool leftists who have a vested interest in keeping the false narrative alive.
	You're never going to change your mind.
	You make an example of them.
	Then you have people who believe it by default.
	And I think that with Nick, you add to that the fact that a lot of people have falsely portrayed some of his views.
	His views themselves are controversial enough to a good portion of the population, but you got to be accurate as to what they are.
	And I think a lot of people don't know.
	And then I think some of his premises themselves are incorrect.
	But I think he makes a good case for them.
	Like I know that for the Second Amendment, right.
	You know, I don't know.
	He also made a really good point.
	He said, I'm not saying that the Second Amendment doesn't matter.
	He said, but I was de-banked.
	You know, I was deplatformed.
	The Second Amendment isn't enough in the 21st century.
	I think that's a valid argument to make.
	If we start with it's paramount, you can't change that.
	But we may need some more rights enshrined to protect people from a tyrannical government because there are other ways that they can conquer you outside of the end of a rifle.
	Someone makes a compelling case or an argument, I want to explore it.
	Final chat.
	All right, final chat from our crime attorney.
	Stephen, when you stated a couple years ago that what was happening would cause more people to become racist, do you think Nick and his followers prove you right?
	No, because I don't think that they're necessarily racist.
	I think some are.
	I think you could say that about a lot of, I guarantee you, some Pierce Morgan followers are racist.
	So I don't think that they prove me right.
	I think, for example, what we're seeing as far as the reaction to ladies, and I'm not even saying she's a racist, but her yelling the N-word at Somalis, like you could never picture that a while ago.
	And if you create a bubble and if you just sort of tell, you can't talk about this.
	You can't talk about something that people know to be so.
	This is why this is so ineffective with Pierce Morgan.
	People watching this inherently know that black people in the United States, as a demographic, are much more violent.
	People know that.
	But if you start off with, and why should you say that?
	Isn't it down to the individual?
	People go, like, this isn't, this isn't, this is useless.
	This is useless.
	And then they go, you know what?
	I used to say you shouldn't say the N-word, but now if that's what breaks through, fine.
	Fine.
	I mean, what do you think?
	What I was talking about too is, what do you think happens if you're a young white man and you have one white guy who gets expelled because he goes into a black-only space, like at Mizzou or whatever it is?
	Or you get two people, okay, this person has now got an F because they didn't do the check your privilege test or white guilt test or whatever it was that they were issuing at that point in time.
	Okay, there's one or there's two.
	But then when you have hundreds of thousands or millions and people know that it's a lie and they're saying, look, look, look, I'm not saying all black people and I'm not a racist, but there is a point in time where the person goes, the person who is saying, I am not a racist, but if you keep silencing them and saying, no, no, I don't want to hear your views at all.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you won't check your white privilege.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in reparations.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in DEI.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you're citing crime statistics.
	The person saying, I'm not racist, but will transform to, I'm a fucking racist.
	How about that?
	That will happen.
	It is inevitable.
	It is inevitable.
	And so what I want is to listen to the person first saying, I'm not racist, but I went to an all-black school and I got my ass kicked.
	And I had black friends, but I also saw what happened with them getting involved with crime.
	I'm not racist, but we do need to talk about the problem of catch and release and this man who killed Irina Zaruska being out 14 times.
	I'm not racist, but Daniel Penny on that subway, who was assisted by other minorities to use the word, because on that subway, they probably weren't a minority.
	I'm not racist, but I think labeling that guy a racist is actually a problem because we need more good Samaritans.
	I'm not racist, but I think there's an incentive for Jussie Smollett to fake a race crime because that's a currency in the entertainment industry.
	I'm not racist, but I think it's disgusting that Bubba Wallace said there was a noose and people ran with it and we knew it wasn't true.
	It was likely as true as the race crime hoax of poop swastika.
	By the way, Nazis don't tend to draw their symbol and poop.
	I'm not racist, but we need to have an honest conversation about what makes us different, the different problems that these communities are facing, why we don't want it in ours, and see how we can fix it.
	Because the only solution, I'm not racist, but the only solution if we stay on this trail is what, the balkanization of the United States.
	I'm not racist, but and all along when that person is saying it, by the way, most of America, certainly all of black and other minority America, they will say these things and they'll get off scot-free.
	There is a point in time where I'm not racist, but will transform.
	Not can it, it will transform.
	Two, I'm a fucking racist.
	If you refuse to listen and you silence them.
	So I'm not saying I want to get to, I'm a fucking racist.
	What I'm saying is I want to listen to people and not get to that face.
	I'm not racist, but again, I'm using this right here to make a point.
	I'm not saying that exact phrase.
	I'm not racist, but this is a problem that I've noticed.
	And I feel like we're not allowed to talk about it.
	You know how you prevent that from becoming, I'm a fucking racist?
	Is you go, you know what?
	Let me hear you.
	Let's talk about it.
	A lot of people don't want to because they see it as platforming.
	It's not what we do here.
	I'll platform Jillian Michaels, angry lesbian who adopted or had a surrogate baby.
	There are few things that are more of an affront to God than that.
	See you tomorrow for all
	Second Amendment rights.
	You understand that, right?
	Like around the same time that Nick Feunthrist was 20 years old, Pierce Morgan was on mainstream news saying that the Second Amendment shouldn't apply and America has a gun problem and we need to get rid of all guns.
	We used to go back and forth on Twitter.
	Back then it was Twitter where I just lit him up because he was arrogant about it.
	So it's okay for me to be on a platform with someone like that.
	I mean, you can go back to an interview with Jesse Herbs, the first transgender marriage.
	I just think of it as an example because it was a local sort of politician and it was still very respectful.
	Naomi Wolf, you can go back to interviews with their angry feminists, and I've always tried to conduct them the same way as a host.
	There's a different version of me as a host.
	It's my job to host.
	I've invited them in my house, press back.
	They can set the tone.
	If I'm a guest and I know I'm a guest going on to a panel where I only have 10, 15 minutes, you can see that with, what was his name?
	Walsh.
	God, I forgot.
	Not Matt Walsh.
	Joe.
	Joe Walsh.
	It's like, all right, I've only got 10 minutes to do this.
	This is going to be quite a bit different.
	Let's go.
	That's not the same as a two-hour interview where you're actually trying to get to the root disagreements.
	You can see me do it with people on the show who are actual communists.
	No one doubts where I stand.
	People talk about like platforming.
	That's the thing with, I will say, Ben Shapiro's been on the show many times.
	Ben Shapiro is sitting there on a panel with the people he was recently talking about how algorithms are destroying America.
	Like, isn't that a bigger problem that you're on a panel with Don Lemon and two other leftists who've helped orchestrate this problem?
	Why is it okay to platform those people?
	Also, didn't him and his company kind of create some algorithms?
	Bragged about it.
	Didn't they brag about how much money they spent to create specific algorithms?
	And didn't someone say, hey, your contracts are encouraging and doing the work of these algorithms?
	Not Ben, but Jeremy Boring specifically.
	My issue there was you do realize that if you penalize conservative creators, 25% for the first strike on YouTube and 15% thereafter, first off, is 110% penalties.
	But you realize that you're actually facilitating the algorithms and the terms of service for YouTube and Facebook.
	And the more conservatives you sign up, the more of a monolith it becomes with people who per their contract from a conservative company can't step out of line with these algorithms that are destroying America, right?
	It's almost like someone pointed that out.
	What a great deal they offered.
	Yeah.
	I would have rather rent a house from BlackRock.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	Give my money to those Mexicans.
	All right.
	Next chat.
	All right.
	Next chat from my chimp.
	Question for the crew: Do you think that when Fuentes says he loves Stalin without immediately saying not the murder and genocide, he's trying to create buzz?
	Why else would he not?
	Sure, but I also heard him on a show, like we played the clip where he said, not those things.
	Obviously, not.
	It's horrible to cause human suffering.
	Like, I get it.
	I still think.
	There's a little bit of that.
	Taking the hook.
	Yeah, with a little bit of like, you know, it's, he called Piers a tabloid journalist, which I thought was hilarious.
	But there is a little bit of it.
	It's like kind of like clickbait, where it's like, here's a big, here's a big statement I made.
	Now watch the whole video.
	You go, oh, you get the whole context.
	You watch the whole radio.
	It's kind of in the style of like a J. Jonah Jameson Spider-Man.
	It's like the big headline.
	And then, you know, you get the story.
	But in this case, it's, you know, you get more context in it.
	But I mean, I think even the context doesn't make it great where he's like, you know, one and he's a winner.
	And so I still like, well, I disagree.
	That's why I said my, it was a very specific question.
	I said, so you're saying, okay, you're a Stalin admirer.
	I, you know, played the clip.
	You're a Stalin admirer.
	You're a fan.
	You know his birthday by heart.
	You don't want things that cause human suffering.
	So the secret police, the show trials, right?
	The gulags.
	I said, so considering that your end game is very similar, because you've mentioned, you know, Catholic theocracy.
	And he sort of clarified what he meant by that.
	I said, it's much more similar to, you know, something like an autocratic state.
	And he's someone you point to as an example because he was successful.
	What concrete example of revolutionary Stalin would you want to see emulated to achieve the end state?
	And that's where then that conversation begins there.
	So you're not spending time going, you should begin Stalin and the one, right?
	Like, no, okay.
	This is why people have an issue with that.
	No, but your dad made a joke about Olive Gordon and black people.
	That's right.
	Let's talk about it again.
	I love Applebee's 2 for 20 the spinach on the choke tape.
	No, but it says here you went to Popeyes and noticed that black people were there.
	What do you say to that?
	Hey, hey, shouldn't be surprised, didn't it?
	I'll go to Popeyes.
	I really expect a few black people.
	I don't know why he sounds like that.
	Actually, it makes his dad sound a little bit cooler that he was like, hey, we're not going to Olive Garden or we're not going to Red Lobster and Bennigan's or whatever he said it was of Applebee's.
	He's like, we're going to go somewhere else, maybe like a local joint.
	Yeah.
	Like, I get it.
	I like that guy more.
	Yeah, it was Applebee's and Red Lobster.
	I'm convinced that Bennigan's is a restaurant that never existed and Stephen made it up.
	It did exist.
	It's your favorite restaurant to mention.
	And I'm like, I've never heard of his father.
	I love those old places.
	Back in the day, old school TGI Fridays, old school chilies, old school Bennigans, old school chi cheese.
	What Bennigan's?
	Bennigan's.
	Well, there was a house that I almost bought.
	My realtor, who's great, she's very, she's very funny.
	She would actually bust my chops.
	There was an old house that just needed to be gutted.
	It was like the green carpet and the stained glass sort of chandeliers.
	I was like, you know what?
	This isn't that bad.
	I said, it's kind of like Bennigan's.
	And then we go in and crap.
	We saw like the Griswold, like the burning mark from the cats that had died.
	And she goes, no, this place, she goes, you can't just say it looks like Bennigan, Stephen.
	Because she didn't think the place existed.
	No, it's a real place.
	Bennigan's used to be fun.
	It did for about five minutes.
	I'll take it to my grave.
	As a kid.
	All right.
	You're a Friday's guy.
	Next chat.
	All right.
	Next chat.
	Let's see.
	Danny J, 1987 asks: If Nick doesn't hate Jews, why do the majority of self-identifying Groypers believe that he does and openly do themselves?
	Well, a lot of them definitely do, or certainly, again, I can't speak for all of them, but I've definitely seen some things that are anti-Semitic.
	I think that if you deny the Holocaust, that's anti-Semitic.
	I think if you visit our chat, you'll find some in there.
	That's also because a lot of the Groypers, a lot of Nick's fans come in there, and that's a big thing they do.
	They troll, they try, and there's that sort of thing.
	And guys, I know you're here from the Nick interview.
	Please don't do that.
	Like, this is one thing I would say.
	And if I were to ever have another interview with Nick, I would ask him to like, hey, condemn that.
	You know, if your people are doing any swatting or doxing.
	Now, I know if I asked him that, he would go, well, that has nothing to do with me.
	And it wouldn't be fruitful.
	But could you do more to maybe discourage the kind of behavior that mass bullies people on other forms and just know, hey, no one here is paid by anybody.
	It's okay if we just disagree and you want to have a civil disagreement on that front.
	Like I said, I think that Nick has views that other people would by and large classify as anti-Semitic.
	He clarifies that he doesn't think they are and separates.
	You know, he delineates between groups of Jews.
	But I understand that a lot of people would even look at what he says in detail and say, okay, I think there's an undercurrent of anti-Semitism.
	I don't think it's any, I don't think it's as severe as a lot of his followers saying the Holocaust didn't happen and expel all Jews.
	Because the thing is, if you expel all Jews from the United States and then you also believe that Israel shouldn't exist, well, then you are advocating for effectively a genocide.
	Where are you going to go?
	Where are you going to go?
	Canada?
	Yeah.
	I mean, maybe.
	I think, too, and we've just like everybody.
	No, no, nobody's going to go to Canada.
	We've discussed this.
	Like having honest conversations is fine.
	I think this has veered into, well, you have a conversation about this, and so therefore you're on one of the sides.
	You're either a Nazi shill or something like that, or you're a shill for Israel.
	And it's like, well, hold on.
	I can have a legitimate conversation about what really happened with the USS Liberty.
	And you guys know probably where I stand on that.
	Much more leaning towards accidental than them trying to get us into it.
	But I understand where people are coming from because I've had the conversations.
	Yeah.
	I don't think they're anti-Semitic for asking.
	Asking how many people actually died and what was the methodology to kind of figure out how many people died in the Holocaust.
	That's totally fine.
	Unless you're saying the Holocaust didn't exist and trying to go at it from that direction.
	But having like a curiosity, well, how did they figure that out?
	There have been trials about this.
	There's been a ton of conversations.
	That's fine too.
	Let me ask you this.
	All of those things are fine.
	This is why sometimes people say I'm very lenient.
	And here's something too: this is sort of a misconception.
	Charlie Kirk was far more rude and unfriendly to students than I ever was with Change My Mind.
	He would have them set up with a microphone and dunk.
	And then sometimes people were surprised.
	Like, well, this goes on.
	It's like, sure, because I'm trying to walk them down the path.
	And if you're kind of change of mind.
	Yes.
	That's really what it is.
	And if you are proselytizing, right?
	You're in a mission strip.
	Do you go, if someone goes like, ah, I don't want that, I don't want any of that Christian shit.
	Do you just go like, oh, they're an anti-Christian right away?
	Well, they reject.
	Or do you then ask a question?
	Well, hey, hold on.
	What do you know?
	Hey, how familiar are you with it?
	And do you explore every possibility until you get to the point where you go, well, this person rejects Christ.
	It's the same thing right now where there's a vein of anti-Semitism.
	And by the way, this, or an undercurrent with Candace Owens as an example, where I know that people who believe what she says, they're maybe anti-Semitic because they believe what she says, and it's just not true.
	And so it's incumbent upon me to go, okay, but do you think that because you believe this?
	What if I could disabuse you of that and walk through it?
	And then if at the end of it, they go, I don't care.
	I just, I still think it's the Jews.
	Well, then I'll say anti-Semitic.
	But I can't just write them off.
	I mean, there would be no spread of Christianity if we treated it that way.
	There would be no spread of anything if we just went, oh, well, because they say so.
	Well, sure.
	But do they understand the fundamental premise and have they been misinformed?
	And I will say this, that there are definitely some people, certainly the left has always done this.
	You know, for example, the left, people going, well, Donald Trump is a racist.
	So you watch me, even black and white and the gray issues.
	You can go back to that clip.
	It's very much the same as with some of the Nick Fuente stuff, or certainly some of his fans, where I go, yeah, you said very fine people.
	But what if he said I'm not saying neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally?
	I said, well, I don't know.
	Maybe that would change.
	I haven't seen it.
	I said, yeah, but what if I could show you that tape?
	I don't know.
	I said, but if I showed it to you, assume I'm not lying.
	I don't have it on a projector right now, but I send it to you.
	Would that change your mind?
	Well, I'd have to see it.
	I went through that same line of question.
	Do you think he's a racist because you believe this?
	But do you know this?
	And if they watch it, and if I show them two or three more clips, and then show them that Arsinio Hall, the most talentless bag of nothing, won the celebrity apprentice.
	And I go, maybe he's not a racist.
	And I go, okay, maybe you've convinced me.
	Now we can have the conversation.
	But I'm going to press if I think they have been misinformed because I will tell you this.
	That is, if you can do that with those on the left, and I say this doing change my minds, if you can get through the misinformation and the false premise after false premise after false premise and get someone to accept that their premise is false, that is the only way I've seen people leave the left, leave wrong ideologies.
	It's the only way.
	And you have to afford them that opportunity.
	You have to afford them that opportunity and go, look, they may not know.
	Once you've gone through it, right, to each man what is known.
	Once you've gone through it, okay, you know now.
	Now, if I see you on the other side of that fence, if I see you saying very fine people, I know you're repeating a lie because I know that I informed you.
	I know that I showed you the clip, watched it with you, where you saw him say, I'm not saying white supremacists and neo-Nazis who should be condemned totally, whatever the exact quote is.
	I watched it with you.
	You said it would change the context and you're still repeating it.
	All right, now it's time to, now it's time to put on the foil coach because I know where you stand.
	That is what I believe.
	And I can tell you this because I've been around for a long time.
	I've seen so many people's minds changed.
	And I've seen so many people believe that they hold views that they don't actually hold.
	And I know the difference between those people and someone acting in bad faith.
	And it's important.
	How many times have I told you it's important to delineate between the two?
	Those who are died in the woe leftists who have a vested interest in keeping the false narrative alive.
	You're never going to change your mind.
	You make an example of them.
	Then you have people who believe it by default.
	And I think that with Nick, you add to that the fact that a lot of people have falsely portrayed some of his views.
	His views themselves are controversial enough to a good portion of the population, but you got to be accurate as to what they are.
	And I think a lot of people don't know.
	And then I think some of his premises themselves are incorrect.
	But I think he makes a good case for them.
	Like I know that for the Second Amendment, where he said, you know, I don't know.
	He also made a really good point.
	He said, I'm not saying that the Second Amendment doesn't matter.
	He said, but I was debanked.
	You know, I was deplatformed.
	The Second Amendment isn't enough in the 21st century.
	I think that's a valid argument to make.
	We start with it's paramount.
	You can't change that.
	But we may need some more rights enshrined to protect people from a tyrannical government because there are other ways that they can conquer you outside of the end of a rifle.
	If someone makes a compelling case or an argument, I want to explore it.
	Final chat.
	All right.
	Final chat from our crime attorney.
	Stephen, when you stated a couple years ago that what was happening would cause more people to become racist, do you think Nick and his followers prove you right?
	No, because I don't think that they're necessarily racist.
	I think some are.
	I think you could say that about a lot of, I guarantee you, some Pierce Morgan followers are racist.
	So I don't think that they prove me right.
	I think, for example, what we're seeing as far as the reaction to ladies, and I'm not even saying she's a racist, but her yelling the N-word at Somalis, like you could never picture that a while ago.
	And if you create a bubble and if you just sort of tell, you can't talk about this.
	You can't talk about something that people know to be so.
	This is why this is so ineffective with Pierce Morgan.
	People watching this inherently know that black people in the United States, as a demographic, are much more violent.
	People know that.
	But if you start off with, and why should you say that?
	Isn't it down to the individual?
	People go, like, this is useless.
	This is useless.
	And then they go, you know what?
	I used to say you shouldn't say the N-word, but now if that's what breaks through, fine.
	Fine.
	I mean, what do you think?
	What I was talking about too is what do you think happens if you're a young white man and you have one white guy who gets expelled because he goes into a black only space like at Mizzou or whatever it is.
	Or you get two people.
	Okay, this person has now got an F because they didn't do the check your privilege test or white guilt test or whatever it was that they were issuing at that point in time.
	Okay, there's one or there's two.
	But then when you have hundreds of thousands or millions and people know that it's a lie and they're saying, look, look, look, I'm not saying all black people and I'm not a racist, but there is a point in time where the person goes, the person who is saying, I am not a racist, but if you keep silencing them and saying, no, no, I don't want to hear your views at all.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you won't check your white privilege.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in reparations.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you don't believe in DEI.
	I don't want to hear your views at all because you're setting crime statistics.
	The person saying, I'm not racist, but will transform to, I'm a fucking racist.
	How about that?
	That will happen.
	It is inevitable.
	It is inevitable.
	And so what I want is to listen to the person first saying, I'm not racist, but I went to an all-black school and I got my ass kicked.
	And I had black friends, but I also saw what happened with them getting involved with crime.
	I'm not racist, but we do need to talk about the problem of catch and release and this man who killed Irina Zaruska being out 14 times.
	I'm not racist, but Daniel Penny on that subway who was assisted by other minorities to use the word because on that subway, they probably weren't a minority.
	I'm not racist, but I think labeling that guy a racist is actually a problem because we need more good Samaritans.
	I'm not racist, but I think there's an incentive for Jesse Smollett to fake a race crime because that's a currency in the entertainment industry.
	I'm not racist, but I think it's disgusting that Bubba Wallace said there was a noose and people ran with it and we knew it wasn't true was likely as true as the race crime hoax of poop swastika.
	By the way, Nazis don't tend to draw their symbol in poop.
	I'm not racist, but we need to have an honest conversation about what makes us different, the different problems that these communities are facing, why we don't want it in ours, and see how we can fix it.
	Because the only solution, I'm not racist, but the only solution if we stay on this trail is what the balkanization of the United States.
	I'm not racist, but and all along when that person is saying it, by the way, most of America, certainly all of black and other minority America, they will say these things and they'll get off scot-free.
	There is a point in time where I'm not racist, but will transform.
	Not can it, it will transform.
	Two, I'm a fucking racist.
	If you refuse to listen and you silence them.
	So I'm not saying I want to get to, I'm a fucking racist.
	What I'm saying is I want to listen to people and not get to that face.
	I'm not racist, but again, I'm using this right here to make a point.
	I'm not saying that exact phrase.
	I'm not racist, but this is a problem that I've noticed.
	And I feel like we're not allowed to talk about it.
	You know how you prevent that from becoming, I'm a fucking racist?
	Is you go, you know what?
	Let me hear you.
	Let's talk about it.
	A lot of people don't want to because they see it as platforming.
	It's not what we do here.
	I'll platform Jillian Michaels, angry lesbian who adopted or had a surrogate baby.
	There are few things that are more of an affront to God than that.
	See you tomorrow.
	That's what I know.

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