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	Right.
	Even the people on the left, right?
	And the people that are in power now with the Likud party are radicals.
	Like, these guys want to completely get the Palestinians all the way out.
	So I see your perspective.
	You're saying, like, the United States is keeping them from going full retard and destroying the entire region.
	But at the same time, we don't know, right?
	That's kind of like a full retard.
	Here's the thing.
	Just looking at America first, okay?
	Would it be America first if Canada was launching?
	Let's just not deal with, let's say, there was some kind of weird history where we said Saskatchewan is ours, whatever.
	If they're launching rockets and building tunnels, and we at a certain point go, you know what?
	We're taking over Canada, right?
	We would do it.
	It would be in our interest to say we're going to eliminate you.
	It would be in Israel's interest to eliminate Palestine.
	If left to you two hash it out, I think it ends up uglier.
	And I'm fine with it.
	I just don't think I don't think people take that into account.
	Yeah, so, you know, and this is an interesting concept because, you know, and it could go either way because Israel does have nuclear weapons and they're the only country in the region that has nuclear weapons.
	You can make the argument that Saudi Arabia Sudo has them because it just signed his deal with Pakistan.
	Right.
	But we don't know.
	I mean, I'll tell you this.
	Yes, it would definitely make things worse because all these Arab countries would attack them and then they would use the Samsung option and destroy everybody.
	So who knows?
	But they do obviously have nuclear weapons.
	But I do think if we didn't give cover for them so much and we didn't give them all the support that we have, it would be either A, they'd be forced to diplomacy table and figure something out, or B, what you're saying, which is a possibility as well, is, you know, we'd have a bloodbath in that region where it would literally be a fight of existential crisis.
	Because I think diplomacy has been tried.
	And like, this is one thing.
	Even Nanyahu hasn't exercised diplomacy to the best degree, though.
	I think he's done everything to sabotage it, right?
	He's bragged many times on camera secretly that he sabotaged the Oslo Accords.
	I think right now that's true.
	I think right now he's in the city.
	I don't think that's true the entire time.
	I don't think it's true the entire time.
	I think he's been more diplomatic than Hamas or the Palestinian Authority has been in the past.
	In the past, if you look at those points in time, I think he had more talks to the table in good faith.
	I think both sides obviously are double-crossing each other and don't trust each other, which is creates a lot of problems.
	It's a double-crossed automatic.
	Ha ha!
	And it's a very complicated history.
	But I think in general, I would say, because Netanyahu, right, since 96 has been bragging about sabotaging the Oslo Accords.
	He's been caught on camera talking about it.
	And the West Bank, there's this famous video of him in the West Bank talking about, hey, yeah, I've sabotaged the Oslo Accords between Yasser Arafat and Isaac Rabin.
	And many people, to this day, Vinit Sak Rabin's wife, I think she wrote a memoir or a book that she suspects to this day that it was Netanyahu that called the shot for him to be killed because the person that assassinated Isaac Rabin was actually a Likud party member, a farmer Likud party member.
	And then Netanyahu came into power later.
	And there hasn't been a two-state solution discussion really since.
	Both of them are sabotaging the people.
	I think we agree, though.
	In other words, if you just take the money back, I think we need to be out of it.
	And I don't think we should be giving them aid.
	And the other things look bad.
	And the other nations around them.
	Because if you add up the money we give to Israel, first off, we give more to like Afghanistan and Iraq.
	But if you add up the neighboring nations who would likely, like you said, blow them all face the map, we give them more than Israel individually.
	Yeah, we give Jordan and Egypt a whole bunch of money because of Israel, right?
	Because, hey, you guys are there on the borders.
	We don't want more war.
	Like, you guys got to play nice and stuff like that.
	So, yeah.
	Just stop all of it.
	We give it a ridiculous.
	Yes.
	I agree.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	So, you know, and obviously having to, if you guys want to have a discussion on the issues or who's more at fault, I do think that the Israelis bear more responsibility when it comes to the lack of peace with what's gone on.
	But that's a whole other conversation.
	But to go back to the Muslim thing.
	So yeah.
	So going back, just because I grew up Muslim, right, and come from a Muslim background, you know, doesn't mean that I'm going to, you know, align with everything that they have.
	And one of the things that bothers me, and a lot of them get mad at me for this, is like, I look at things from a fairly objective standpoint.
	And the reality is Muslims are about 1% to 2% of the population in America.
	And I think playing the Aden in major cities like Dearborn or, you know, Minneapolis, even if it's only once or twice a day, because I've gotten some people say, well, they only play the Aden once.
	They only play it twice, blah, blah.
	Not in Hamtramic.
	Where's that?
	Ham Tramic, Michigan.
	Oh, they play every five times?
	As I understand it, yes, definitely more than once.
	And you would be surprised because people would think Dearborn, but Hamtramic was actually, because it used to be entirely Polish.
	You could hear it.
	I was there and I heard it at least twice.
	Okay.
	And, you know, I think even playing it from a limited perspective is not a good thing.
	And they get mad at me.
	And then also they prayed at Times Square.
	I had a debate with Sneeko about this.
	That's why I clarified with that thing.
	Because when I had the debate with him, he was saying, hey, it's not that big a deal that they're praying at Times Square.
	We're not disrupting anybody.
	But I had not seen the full footage, but they actually were.
	It was like they took off like kind of like a block area and they're praying.
	They're using a loudspeaker, everything else like that.
	And I said, look, as a guest, right, by definition, because they're only about 2% of the population, which clearly they're not the majority, and this country wasn't founded by Muslims.
	It was founded by Christians.
	I said, I don't think it's appropriate to openly pray, especially when there's mosques everywhere, especially in New York City.
	And then, well, what about the Aden?
	It's a major Muslim area.
	Well, this isn't a Muslim country.
	And I don't think it's fair to like, because even if it is a majority, let's say it's like, because I think in Dearborn, it's like maybe 50% Muslim.
	It's pretty high.
	Yeah, it's like 50.
	It's a small majority.
	So it's 50 to 60%.
	I still think that's inappropriate because there are people there that aren't Muslim.
	And then, hell, even people that are Muslim that aren't practicing might get annoyed by it.
	I think it should be, you know, I'm not saying don't worship, don't have the ability to have your own mosque and everything else like that, right?
	But I do think once you start getting into the position where you're impacting other people's, you know, peace and serenity, I think that's a problem.
	And I think his guests here are just not appropriate because, like you said before, they would never allow that in a Muslim country.
	And then obviously, because the first time I made this tweet, right, this is why I had to clarify it.
	I said, you know, if a bunch of Christians went to Mecca and tried to pray there, they'd be beheaded.
	And obviously, a lot of the Muslims are like, well, that's not the functional equivalent of Dearborn, Michigan, bro.
	So I had to be like, okay, idiots.
	Obviously, I'm using a little bit of hyperbole.
	What I mean, to give a functional equivalent, if you went to UAE, right?
	And I think I mentioned in that tweet, the UAE, which is a very, you know, a modernized Muslim country, and you try to pray, a bunch of Christians try to set up like 50 to 100 of them like they did in Times Square in front of Burj Khalifa, the tallest building in the world, and try to do a prayer.
	I guarantee you that the police would probably come in and tell you, you guys got to get out of here.
	Like you guys can't just you up or whatever.
	So, but then people tell me, oh, well, this is the, you know, there's freedom of religion in America.
	Yeah, there's freedom of religion here, but not at the expense of other people having their, you know, their pieces disrupted with an Adan or, you know, loudspeakers, all those other stuff.
	So they got mad at me.
	I think that's important because people go, you're a hypocrite because you're a Muslim darkie.
	Yes.
	They go, you're Muslim darkie.
	That's what they say.
	And you're not, though, because you're saying, no, there's a difference.
	You're being a gracious guest.
	You are different.
	You are not calling for.
	Like, the way to encapsulate this perfectly is Nick DePala, Kosh, I want to say in the early 2000s had a great bit.
	Remember, they were trying to build a mosque down here where Times Square.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, Ground Zero.
	Ground Zero, the final district.
	And he goes, I'll tell you what.
	He goes, all right, Muslims, you can build a mosque in a financial district when we can build a Hooters in Baghdad.
	How about that?
	And he just goes through like a Muslim call to prayer and try the Hot Wing special.
	Yeah.
	And it's a way to make a point, but it's like, of course, no one would even consider it.
	And that's where I think that Western white, you know, largely European, we're just in our sympathies and our humanity and our civility is used against us.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I, you know, and they get mad at me for saying this, but I'm like, look, you know, Islam doesn't bend or fold.
	This is why, you know, people follow it is because, you know, they're very rigid and, you know, their belief system and everything else like that.
	And that's going to kill you if you don't in those countries.
	Precisely.
	There's consequences.
	So like the same level, I think, and I think Christians or the people that found this country, because I do think that America is a Christian white country, they have the right to feel threatened and feel like, hey, well, we don't want you guys openly practicing.
	You guys are guests here.
	You know, if I went to someone's home, you know, and I just kicked my feet up, I could, right?
	Even if my guests are gracious and say, hey, you could kick your feet up, whatever, but I shouldn't, right?
	Because, and that was another thing when I was debating with Sneeko.
	I was like, just because you could, right, with religious freedom doesn't mean you should.
	And I think with, and then they then they gave me the argument, well, these are Zionist Jewish propaganda.
	And I'll tell them, fair.
	I actually agree that, you know, Jews push this, you know, this anti-Islam rhetoric a lot of the times, and that's fine.
	Browning fathers weren't all huge fans of the Jews either.
	They weren't, no.
	Rightfully so.
	But I'm just saying it's just not a valid argument.
	Like it's Zionist propaganda.
	No, they didn't even want Catholics to be signers.
	Because their claim is right after 9-11, right?
	A lot of the framers, which is true with Peanak and the Clean Break memo and all these guys that led us into the Iraq war and our foreign policy.
	A lot of them were Jewish Zionists that had a self-interest in demonizing Muslims for the betterment of the war on terror.
	I'm like, okay, look, I'm not going to disagree with you guys that, you know, the war on terror and everything else like that, a lot of it was, you know, run by these Jewish neocons that had to demonize Muslims to kind of get this war going the way that they wanted, linking anthrax to Saddam Hussein, which was all bullshit.
	That's a whole other conversation.
	I agree that when they say, oh, this is Jewish propaganda, I agree with that.
	Now let's deal with how they, if they control the media, they control the books, they control everything else, and they put all this information out there.
	How are we going to do it?
	Are we going to exacerbate the problem by confirming the stereotypes and praying out in public?
	Or are we going to be good, gracious guests and do what we're supposed to do and like, you know, pray under our privacy?
	Why do we need to go ahead and outwardly do all this stuff and confirm the stereotypes?
	Because when you're out there praying in Times Square or having the downplay in major cities, all you're doing is confirming the very stereotypes that you're pissed off about that you cry Islamophobia when they say, look, see, they're trying to push, spread the caliphate.
	Look, see, they want to come in and spread Islam here, blah, blah, blah.
	And you're just playing into the stereotypes by doing that.
	I don't think it benefits anyone.
	That's a valid concern because there's a difference between, let's just say, Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism, whatever it is.
	In Islam, and I think you would probably can see this, that Islam has a very clear political prescription that is antithetical to the Constitution.
	When you look at the Constitution, I actually agree with that too.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And Sharia law is not compatible with Western democracy.
	And if they want to do it there, fine, but like, that's not what we do here.
	Yeah.
	And so hearing the Islamic call to prayer and understanding how many Sharia courts exist in the UK, and for example, in Dearborn, I don't know if you know this, the amount of missing children in Dearborn, it's several multiples higher than the rest of the country.
	And that's because they do it in their own mosques.
	The man divorces.
	The woman has no rights.
	By the way, an overcorrection, but I also agree because women often are favored in custody battles.
	And they just go off with a kid.
	You could divorce men in Islam very easily.
	Right.
	But in Dearborn, they just leave with the kids.
	We had a lady who used to be on the show anonymously from Sterling Heights who had to literally hire like a private investigator to get her kids back because no one in her Islamic community would help her find her kids.
	And so Americans go, this is a system of laws that we have a problem with, which is very, like, we don't have the same issue with, okay, you have a Buddhist temple.
	You have a, what's the other one?
	Baha'i.
	The bullshit doesn't really mean anything.
	I don't know what it means.
	It's like a Superman ice cream.
	They just put everything in there.
	Americans are very hesitant because of the Constitution.
	Now, like, it's enshrined into law.
	The freedom of religion itself is antithetical to Sharia law.
	I would argue theologically, and as Americans view it.
	Freedom of speech, too.
	Yes.
	Because you can't criticize the Prophet.
	Yep.
	So, and, you know, and these are just ugly, these are this is the truth that a lot of Muslims get mad at me for saying when I say things like, look, we're here as guests.
	We need to respect.
	And even it says in the Quran, like, you have to respect the host nation that you're in.
	And, you know, feminism, liberalism, et cetera, these are components of American culture.
	Like, it is what it is.
	And we are here as guests.
	And if you don't, and I tell them all the time, look, you want to hear the prayer?
	You want to be in a more Muslim, more religious Muslim country where you don't have to deal with a lot of these Western values, you can go to Qatar, you can go to UAE, you can go to Kuwait.
	These are all very, you know, rich, first world, safe, clean countries.
	I've been in UAE many times.
	Not for the slaves.
	Well, besides the Indian slaves, who cares about Indians?
	They're Jeeps.
	Fucking Jeez.
	We don't give a shit about them.
	But you know, but the reality is, right, like they, they can go to these countries and they get mad at me when I say these things like, dude, we're guests here.
	Oh, well, no, we're not because this is a separation of church and state.
	Look, dude, when Thomas Jefferson like framed this stuff and he was talking about the separation of church and state, that was so the government would influence the church and vice versa.
	It was written with Christian ideology in mind, not with Muslim ideology in mind.
	So like, you know, and they always make this argument, well, we can do, we can do a freedom religion.
	Again, just because you could doesn't mean you should.
	And if, and we come to the same conclusion, they say, well, that's Zionist propaganda, that's Jewish propaganda.
	They push out all this Islamophobia.
	I'm like, all right, cool.
	I agree with you that this does exist and they push this narrative out there.
	Are you going to exacerbate the problem and confirm the stereotypes, retard?
	Or are you going to ask me?
	That's one issue, though.
	I wanted to ask you something.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	Because, and we were joking about this, because from this tweet, which by the way, and I want to be very, I think it's very well articulated, and I agree.
	I appreciate that.
	You got so much by then people saying you were a Jewish shill.
	So do you ever ask yourself, like, some of the things that you said, whether it's Hitler or talking about the Jewish question, Jewish problem, considering how much common ground you have with other conservatives and now having experience where people accuse you of that, you ever go like, maybe this isn't the best issue to focus on when there are people who agree with me on 80%?
	Like, for example, our disagreement as far as defund all of it.
	Yeah.
	Screw APAC, screw Axe Blue, screw the Teachers Union, S-CIU, right?
	Like we should be mostly on the same side, but it definitely has acted as a wedge issue where people will say that I'm a Jewish shill from my perspective, just like they'll say you are.
	And so do you sometimes think maybe feeding into that isn't great if we want to continue the wins in the country?
	And I don't say that as an attack.
	Because there's no winning on this issue.
	You know the problem.
	Oh, the Jew, the Jew.
	Yeah, yeah, because if you don't follow lockstep, you're a Zionist now.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Even though I know you're not, there's no room for kind of having, I hate to say this nuance.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Well, and that's the thing kind of, right?
	And this is why I'm so specific, right?
	Like, you know, we make jokes earlier saying, it's the Jews.
	Like, you know, as much as you can.
	We make those jokes too.
	As much as I love to blame the Jews for everything.
	You know, I do think it's also important, right, when we're having serious discussions on this topic of Zionism, Jewish power in America, et cetera, that you need to be extremely specific and detailed in how you articulate your points because you don't want to be one of these conspirators where it's always the Jews.
	Right.
	Like, for example, when people say things like, Israel did 9-11, I don't like saying that.
	I like to say there's Zionist fingerprints all over 9-11.
	Or if we want to talk about JFK, you know, the Jews killed JFK.
	Not so true, but there are Zionist fingerprints all over this, and I can articulate why, so that, you know, we can have actual conversation on it.
	And, you know, my thing when it comes to 9-11, right?
	Just so I give my full position, I think the Saudis, the American government, and the Israelis were involved, but no one ever mentions the Saudis.
	They try to stay away from it, or they don't mention the conspiratards, I mean.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, you know, or what JFK, just the Jews.
	Well, the mafia was involved as well on the CIA for a bunch of different reasons.
	So I think when we talk about this topic, it's extremely important, you know, to maintain that credibility that you can articulate your points and not only just articulate them, but no names, no individuals, how they were connected and be able to explain all that.
	So, you know, of course, we're going to have retards that are going to sit there and say you're a Zionist Jew or a show, whatever.
	And it's like, whatever, dude.
	I don't care about what you guys, you retards got to say because the smart ones are going to get it.
	So I'm trying to appeal to the more intelligent individuals that understand that you can't blame everything on the ship.
	Do you think there are a lot of smart ones in that side?
	In other words, like we were talking about.
	There's a lot of retards in general everywhere.
	But like you were talking about too, like you, I think we, I don't want to out you, I think we're in agreement that Israel didn't kill Charlie Kirk.
	Yeah, there are questions that are unanswered, but like the idea of secret Jewish tunnels is kind of absurd, right?
	Oh, yeah.
	But this is something that proliferates a lot.
	It's not a small minority.
	It's a very large percentage.
	And so that's why I asked like, how many people do you think are capable of having, like, how many people do you think are capable of going, okay, doesn't like AIPAC.
	Don't fund Israel.
	Don't fund the other nations.
	Okay.
	But he also wants every last member of Hamas to have a rocket stuffed up their ass until they get the hostages back.
	How many people kind of, I don't want to say in your camp, but who often accuse Zionists.
	How many people do you think could hear that position and go, that's pretty rational?
	I think it's a very small percentage right now.
	That's my opinion.
	And I don't know.
	Yeah, I see what you're saying.
	I think really the only thing you do is I think if you're a critical thinker, you put your position out there.
	And right now, when it comes to the whole Charlie Kirk thing, the official narrative has problems with it.
	I mean, you discussed it earlier.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	Right.
	The official narrative has problems with it.
	The Israeli angle has problems with it.
	You know, my thing is I just keep an open mind and I'm looking at all the facts.
	Like, I don't have a definitive timeline on what I think exactly transpired on that day.
	Obviously, you know, I like Charlie.
	We spoke before, even though we might disagree on Israel.
	And I, you know, obviously what happened to him pissed me off.
	It bothered me a lot.
	And actually, funny story, I was literally scheduled the next day to do a college debate in North Carolina and I had to cancel it.
	So obviously that hit me a little bit differently because when you're doing the same thing as you as well, it hit us a lot different than other people because we have been in those shoes and understand what it's like to be on these college campuses talking to these people and trying to make a change and then getting shot in the neck for a political opinion is absurd.
	You made changes going forward, doing it.
	Are you going to do it going forward?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Obviously going to take security more seriously.
	Maybe we might not necessarily publicly announce, you know, right before.
	But yeah, when it comes to this topic of, here's the other thing too, right?
	So like this topic of Jewish power, Zionism, et cetera, it's been suppressed for so long.
	And since we can finally talk about it now fairly openly compared to years past because of what transpired on October 7th, people are going nuts, right?
	And it's like you let a kid into a candy store that had never seen candy before in their life.
	They're like, oh, the Jews and everything.
	So, you know what I mean?
	It's literally what's going on here.
	So it's like, they all sound like the chubby kid from the guinea.
	Yeah, like they're just going crazy, right?
	We can finally discuss this now, yes.
	So I do think that there's a level of nuance that people need to be still exercise that same level of critical thinking and be able to, you know, discern, you know, were the Jews involved in this?
	Was it only the Jews?
	Were there other components involved?
	Because it tends to be more to the surface of just it's the Jews.
	And it's a very lazy way to analyze problems.
	No, that's my issue.
	It's not applied.
	I do think, and I hate when people just go anti-Semitism as someone has a criticism.
	You absolutely should.
	And I think there's, we've made the criticism of Netanyahu that he had an incentive to drag this out.
	Yeah, he doesn't want to go to court.
	Doesn't want to go to court.
	He doesn't want to go to jail, probably.
	He funded Hamas and supported them, right?
	And I know you guys have a strong dislike for Hamas, and I understand that.
	My thing is I look at it like this.
	I think the IDF and Hamas are both terrorists according to the definition of terrorism, committing violence and acts of political ideology.
	The only difference is that the IDF is well-funded.
	They call themselves the military, even though they've been killing kids for literally for two years.
	And we've seen the terrors of what's going on.
	So I look at it like both sides have their issues.
	It's just that we support and look at one side as the good guys when I think that they're just as, if not more evil in some ways than the other.
	Well, I think there's one other difference.
	And I know you're very private, so I don't know if you have kids or discuss it or let's just say family members.
	No kids, no kids.
	But you have siblings, cousins, parents.
	Yeah, of course.
	Let me ask you this.
	Here's a big difference.
	To me, what lengths would you go to if your brothers, sisters, cousins, mothers were being held hostage right now and starved?
	Is there anything you wouldn't do to get them back?
	Yeah, no, you would exercise everything in your arsenal to get them back.
	And I'm definitely sensitive to that with the Israelis.
	And there were American hostages, too.
	So that's where we had a dog in that fight.
	As far as I'm concerned, once our hostages are back, okay, we have no say in it.
	But that's the difference.
	That is the difference because that conflict was whether there was a standdown order, which I think is a legitimate conversation for people to have.
	Whether people want to talk about what transpired before that, the difference is the hostages and the gleeful celebration and sort of coveting they're in.
	Like, we've got them.
	What would you not be willing to do to get your family?
	I think that's a fundamental difference.
	And I think it's a difference that determines evil.
	Yeah.
	So I think.
	Just an opinion, though.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	And that's totally cool.
	And I think that's why it's important to have this discourse.
	My position on it is I think the Israeli retaliation, you know, I don't expect you guys to agree with everything I'm going to say.
	No, and I don't.
	And I appreciate that we can have this conversation.
	I don't want to put you on this.
	Do it calmly and not, you know, this is the difference between, you know.
	Online, you just call him a shill, and he basically calls you an anti-Semite, and nobody talks.
	That's the problem with the online world.
	You know what I mean?
	Cashed, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're good.
	We're the $7,000.
	7,000?
	Ah, stop it.
	By the way, they're just Jeffrey dollars, and there's no toys or wrestling.
	I know, right?
	They all closed.
	Yeah, they are closed.
	But yeah, so my position on this is like, so when it comes to Israel's response to what happened on that day, I think it was asymmetric.
	It was ridiculous.
	They didn't need to go that far, especially when I understand how the capabilities of the Israeli military and their intelligence services.
	The Mossad, Shinbet, Unit 8200, et cetera.
	These guys are good.
	Like, I mean, they were able to launch that pager attack against Hezbollah, right?
	They had those bombs in those pages for like 10 years.
	Operation Rising Lions with what they did with Iran, where they were able to activate Mossad agents that were in, that literally had drones in country that they built up over several months.
	So the reason why I will never accept what Israel did in retaliation to get their hostages back in Gaza is because I know that they can do better and they have the capability of doing it because they did it with far more competence with governments and time.
	That's the thing that they did.
	But here's the other thing, too.
	So a lot of people don't know this, but there was a deal on the table to get those hostages back on October 10th of 2023.
	Because what ended up happening was the Israelis started putting out, oh, mass rapes, beheaded babies, babies in ovens.
	they knew that they were going to get bombarded and Gaza was going to be leveled because they were pushing this atrocity propaganda, which later ended up getting debunked later on.
	Unless these were videos, I've watched them, pretty awful videos, and I think everyone should have to watch them.
	Yeah, and I watched that interview, the thing that there was a 45-minute compilation video that Israel had that they only showed to journalists first, then they put out publicly eventually with the GoPros and everything.
	The research team was able, I mean, you know, we're pretty good at this.
	We was able to kind of find original sources and not just the compilation.
	And I would say that would have been overblown, but this idea that there were no rapes or absolute just sheer brutality that challenges your definition of human evil.
	I just, I wouldn't go.
	That happened.
	Well, no, no, no.
	No, I'm not denying it that it happened.
	I'm saying that it didn't happen the way that they're saying.
	Like babies in ovens, babies getting beheaded.
	These were all lies pushed by the Zach organization, which the Zach organization was the organization that was responsible for picking up a lot of the bodies on the day because basically anytime there's a catastrophe in Israel like this, they're some of the first people on the scene to prepare the body for Jewish burial.
	Right.
	Because they have pretty strict burial things.
	But Yassi Landa, I think is the guy's name.
	The dude made like $13 million pushing this propaganda.
	And then when they questioned him, like, hey, you know, we did a little bit more investigating.
	There's no beheaded babies or babies in ovens or a baby was pulled out of a woman's pregnant stomach.
	Well, none of this is true.
	And he's like, yeah, well, I'll use my imagination when we go in there and everything.
	And there's footage of all this stuff out there.
	Now, I'm not denying that October 7th was a terrible day and that there weren't atrocities that were committed.
	Absolutely.
	Kids killed, whether they were killed in ovens, or anyway.
	Yeah, and people died on that day.
	But I do think it's important to know that on that day, the Hannibal Directive was activated.
	Israel killed a lot of their own people with their helicopter, their Apache helicopters, tank shooting into kibbutz, because they looked at it like, yo, and this is a strategy that they have, the Hannibal Directive.
	I know you guys know what it is, but for your audience, they might not be familiar.
	The Hannibal Directive is a military strategy where if people are being kidnapped, whether civilian or military, they say it's military, but effectively everyone in Israel is a soldier too, because they pretty much have to join the military and serve for two years.
	Instead of them having to deal with the nightmares of a hostage negotiation, because they know for every Israeli that gets back over there to Gaza, they're going to have to give up 100 Palestinians in one of their prisons.
	They would just rather just shoot them and kill them and not have to deal with that diplomatic nightmare later on.
	So on that day, October 7th, the Hannibal Directive was absolutely activated.
	And this came confirmed by Yoav Galant, who was this, our equivalent to like a Pete Hexeth, Secretary of War, Secretary of Defense.
	That was their defense minister at the time.
	And the other thing that I was doing is that they weren't.
	Because 1200 were killed on that day.
	Yeah, is we agree, right, and the hostages, people being killed.
	Okay.
	I just didn't like how Israel responds to.
	Yeah.
	And both sides do that, though, by the way.
	Both sides push out propaganda, of course, right?
	Look at our starving kids, even though the fact is like they steal water from their own people.
	Like this happens all the time.
	But, okay, what would you be willing to do to get your hostages back at that point?
	And if we're going to separate between the Israeli government, rightfully so, and the Israeli people, and by the way, the Israeli people are largely secular.
	So is the government.
	I think they could shrink the size of government.
	Like they would be socialists, according to us.
	So that's also another reason I don't think we should be supporting them.
	Is we can say the same about the Islamic world in a lot of ways compared to our sort of rugged individualism.
	Is okay, here we are.
	What do we do with that?
	If we're involved, like who are we to tell someone they can't take every measure humanly possible to get those people back?
	Yeah.
	So to go back to, because obviously I had to articulate a little bit about October 7th as to why.
	So what I'm trying to say is that a lot of, because this all leads into, so the deal was put in place on October 10th, roughly.
	And this comes from Israeli media, by the way.
	Israel Times have reported this.
	Basically, a guy who was representing all the families of the hostages was meeting periodically with the Israeli government and cabinet.
	And Netanyahu said, look, we're going to, he said this in private, of course.
	We're prioritizing the ratification of Hamas over getting the hostages back.
	We're going to go in.
	We don't care about the deal to get them back because Hamas was going to give them all the hostages back in exchange for them not invading Gaza.
	They said, no, no deal.
	They went in and flying the place, et cetera.
	Now, in the course of doing this, I think they missed step because they didn't think that the casualties were going to be that much.
	Right now it's somewhere around 60,000.
	I think once they pull people out the rubble and actually investigate, it's going to be hundreds of thousands.
	And I don't think that that was a proper response.
	Now, when it comes, because you said, hey, if you got hostages, what would you do?
	And I wanted to do that.
	Just to clarify, too, the Israeli people versus their government.
	In other words, there are people who are the brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, or whatever those kids.
	Those people at that point in time, like, okay, fine, let's say that they attacked, let's say they attacked their own people.
	Let's say false flag, which is, by the way, used all the time to sort of vilify one side.
	And everyone does it.
	Everyone has done.
	I mean, the amount of friendly fire that has taken place in the United States, every single war since Korea, just against the Brits, hundreds of people dead.
	But those people are going, I need my brother back.
	And I think to say the act of evil.
	Well, they could have got it back on the 10th.
	And that's the same thing.
	Hold on.
	There were also ceasefire deals between Russia and Ukraine where it's like, by the way, you're going to give us all of it back.
	It's like, no, no, you lost.
	Right.
	So you can't sit there and negotiate from this position.
	The same thing for going, well, as long as Hamas, no, fucking give him back or we're going to kill all of you.
	And I think the only reason they didn't kill all of them is because of international diplomacy.
	And by the way, I agree with you that we shouldn't even be in the UN.
	So Israel's influence there in the UN, like I completely agree with you.
	We cover them so much at the UN.
	We've got every single security council we've but I will say when I'm saying October 10th I'm talking about three days after the attack they could have gotten all the hostages back but Netanyahu refused yeah but what was that's being reported though by somebody who said that that's what Netanyahu said right so just to be clear I and I think it's important I don't think it's I don't think it's a stretch to say that Netanyahu saw an opportunity at all I agree with that based on his history based on I I mean, you know his position coming into this.
	He was in the middle of a corruption trial.
	He had no transitive.
	I think he used this.
	Completely agree.
	Right.
	So I think that's reasonable, but to put it out there, like they could have had everything back.
	They're probably, I don't know about those conversations.
	I didn't hear any reporting on that at all.
	It was buried in Western media.
	That's why.
	I think now with everything that's come up, I probably would have seen a little bit more about it if there was more to it.
	So that's considered a question that I would have.
	Well, the guy in the Ministry of Health was a fucking lot next to it.
	So this idea that we don't get the Palestinian side or the pro-Palestinian side from Western media, that's horse.
	I won't go along with you on that at all.
	That is complete horse.
	And also, I went to college where I heard nothing but pro-Palestinian activists, including, by the way, secular Jewish activists in college.
	I went to Canadian college.
	So we saw plenty of pieces of propaganda coming from the side saying, look at what's happening in Palestine that we invariably found out were also false.
	So let's just call that a wash.
	Like, yeah, so like, obviously there's very, you know, anti-Israel sentiment in the media.
	I'm not making that argument that there isn't.
	My thing is just that the way they went about October 7th with the capabilities that they have, the intelligence that they have, you know, they could have absolutely went about it in another way to get their Hodges back without the mass loss of human life, which, you know, I think, and it's ostracized.
	The reason why we're even able to have this conversation now is because Israel up so badly that the international committee now, everyone is familiar with what's going on.
	Before October 7th, most Americans didn't even know what Zionism was, right?
	But with this deeper dives, we've had some time, right?
	Unless you're like a political guy, most Americans had no idea where Israel was on a map, what Zionism was, et cetera, or even being able to have this conversation.
	But I think the way that they responded after October 7th was egregious and they could have done better.
	And they could have got the Hodges back with far less bloodshed.
	Now, some people might say, hey, well, Netanyahu might have had personal reasons, or why should he cave into terrorists and let them attack and just get the Hodges back and not invade?
	I understand those arguments as well.
	But I think the way they went about it was, you know, really bad.
	I will say the way they went about it as far as what was a problem is they didn't give a clear timetable.
	And I said, if I am someone who, again, not a Netanyahu apologist at all, but if I am in the Israeli government or spokesperson, I go, nothing changes until our hostages come back.
	They didn't do that.
	And so people are looking at us going, well, yeah, this loss of life.
	And a lot of people forgot that there were still hostages, including American hostages.
	So they were absolutely horrible in their messaging and the optics.
	But I think a lot of people lose that.
	And we've had discussions regarding Zionism, Israel, the problem, like I've talked about this going back to 2016.
	Are they an ally militarily compared to other countries in the region?
	Sure.
	But they are not what American conservatives would consider conservative at all in Israel.
	So people need to know that.
	That being said, I think it's important that we don't allow Zionism or support, for example, of Israel's right to self-preservation to be defined by people who are new to this party, just going like, it's all a Jewish conspiracy, right?
	And then you have people going, and by the way, Hitler was good, which I wanted to give you.
	I know you say some things.
	And by the way, I know you say something sometimes because it's like, okay, you say it and then you clarify it.
	And usually a clarification is pretty clear.
	But I know people out there are like, they're going to say, how could you have a guy on there who said Hitler was good?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Go ahead and explain because I'm going to ask one quick conversation.
	How about I get to Hitler?
	No, no, no, no.
	We're going to get to Hitler right after this.
	I think I understand the frustration on both sides of this.
	Jews are annoying.
	No, I mean, oh, yeah, not just that.
	I mean, listen, if you've done anything.
	I'm going to call you an anti-buffer.
	Yeah, this is going to be clipped all over the anti-Semite.
	And then people say, Zion Shield, when you're called a Nazi Jewish Nazi get rid of it.
	I know.
	Don't worry.
	Like, I just don't care at this point.
	Like, I just want truth.
	And on this case, I've spent a very long time studying a lot of the details of what's going on.
	And both people have claims.
	Both sides have grievances that are deeper than anything that I could even possibly imagine before October 7th.
	Yeah, that's been going on since 1917.
	It's just insane.
	And so, you know, I don't typically quote Douglas Murray because I think Dave Smith in a lot of ways made him look foolish on Rogan.
	But listen, I think here's the problem.
	Douglas Murray did have a legitimate gripe because as soon as, what was it, Coleman Hughes, I can't remember the guy's name, as soon as he pinned him down, he said, Well, I'm just a comedian talking about this stuff.
	And that's exactly what Douglas Murray said that Dave Smith would do, right?
	So when he was, I think he was talking to Coleman Hughes.
	And so anyway, my question is: Douglas Murray made a really good point.
	My problem with this is that it's been stretched on for two years and there's this long kind of loss of life.
	I hate war.
	I hate it.
	That's why you don't start them, right?
	You don't get to start a war and then complain about losing it.
	Do you think one of the problems that we've had is that we have kept Israel at bay when if they had been able to go in, finish a war quickly, like we've talked about, if the United States ever goes to war, you go in, you wreck shop, and you're done.
	It's better for everybody involved to be done, not 10-year wars, nothing like that.
	Do you think there's anything to like solving this conflict if, and here's the big if, if the people on both sides can't really get it right and have never proven they will?
	Because I don't think the Palestinians, the river to the sea, is one of those things you got to deal with.
	It's not that they just want a two-state solution.
	They want all of their land back.
	Will it ever really work out?
	And if we're saying that Israel's never really going to leave these guys to any kind of self-determination, is that like an unstoppable object meeting and immovable force and we just need to let it play out instead of prolonging it?
	And it's heartless to say Palestinians are movable just to throw it out.
	No, no, no.
	As far as ideology goes, Hamas has agreed to get a little more to drink.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, I have the problem with that.
	And now to Hitler.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I think I do think that, you know, they have come to agreements where I think they would get like 20% of the 1967 borders and everything.
	You know, and here's the thing: both parties have their issues with, you know, exercising some level of diplomacy.
	I just think that us supporting the Israelis and the things that they do, where, you know, they've killed far more.
	It can't be blanket support.
	I would agree with you.
	Like, if they nuked, you know, Paris right now, am I commanded as a Christian to support that?
	Of course not.
	Like, why would I do that?
	Yeah, I've killed a lot of Christians as well.
	You know, there's a good amount of Palestinian Christians that have been killed and churches bombed in Gaza.
	But, you know, it's a tough situation.
	These guys have been fighting each other for you can argue since 1917 or maybe even before that when the first Civil Wars came in in the late 1800s.
	It's a complex problem.
	And I think we need to get in there.
	And if we are going to get in there and intervene the way that we've been doing, we can't just be funding one side.
	If we want actual peace in the Middle East, there needs to be some type of strategy to give the Palestinians right to self-determination, whether it's a one-state or a two-state solution.
	That's the only way.
	And we need real barriers on what Israel can do because, you know, if we can.
	It sounds like interventionism.
	Well, if we're going to go ahead and I think honestly.
	Would you at least agree to that?
	Like you are suggesting some kind of interventionism because who's going to put Barry is yeah.
	So I'm suggesting none whatsoever.
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I think the uncomfortable truth is if there is no interventionism, I think everybody knows Force Fox 9 is an after.
	It's in the annals of history.
	It's no longer a thing.
	So I think one of two things can happen.
	And I like that you bring up that other thing.
	One of two things is going to happen.
	It's either A, the Arab world is going to descend on Israel and destroy them, right?
	Missiles are going to rain down on them, or B, which obviously is very probable because Israel is a nuclear superpower, they're going to take everybody with them.
	So either way, there's going to be a lot of bloodshed if we were to stop giving aid all the way.
	But isn't that sort of, doesn't that sort of make the point of people who would be on the more pro-Israeli side?
	Because you just sort of presented A or B.
	And I agree.
	One of the two, yeah.
	A is, okay, they descend upon Israel.
	It's unholy hellfire, right?
	Les Grossman.
	Or B, they take everyone with them.
	I notice you didn't say C, which is if Israel takes Palestine, it's now one state, that Israel does that and rains hellfire on everyone in the region they could.
	That wasn't even an option in your head.
	Why do you think that is?
	Because if Israel just got rid of the threat there, in other words, like it would be terrible.
	Let's say they level it.
	They're not going to Egypt.
	Oh, no, but what I'm saying is like if they level either they destroy Israel or Israel defends itself and takes them all with them.
	No one even thinks it's a possibility.
	If Israel, let's say one state solution, Palestine is now Israel.
	You live under our rule.
	No one is actually concerned that they would then encroach on any other countries.
	And you yourself are.
	Oh, no, I think that, no, Israel would absolutely expand.
	Yeah, the Greater Israel Project is very real.
	Like they're definitely trying to expand territory.
	I mean, this is why they still have to this day, they're controlling the Golan Heights.
	You know, they obviously would want to take southern Lebanon as well.
	They go into there periodically.
	I think Israel's, you know, definitely wants to expand.
	And the Gaza, I think that there's a whole plan there where they want, I think I predict because they've already seen they've shown like the pictures of this and the projects.
	They're going to turn that into like international city, kind of like a Dubai or a UAE, where they're going to put casinos and resorts and all this other stuff there.
	Because I think what Dubai has done is it's created a model where, oh, people could come to the Middle East for tourism.
	This is why Saudi Arabia started economic prosperity starts changing.
	Allowing alcohol, letting women drive, bringing WWE and stuff like that now.
	They're trying to become an entertainment hub.
	UFC had its own fight island.
	Yes.
	So that's what's going on in the Middle East where they're trying to modernize and not rely so much on oil revenue versus they want to bring tourism revenue.
	So I predict that Gaza is going to probably be there.
	It's a beautiful beachfront property.
	And I think that the goal here is to get those Palestinians out of there.
	And I predict in the next, maybe not now, but in the next 10, 20, 30 years, they're going to rebuild that thing and make it a tourist thing, which I think that's another incentive for the Israelis to take over and expand.
	But yeah, full stop, though.
	I think I look at it like this.
	We shouldn't be giving aid to Israel.
	I think them doing the things that they do with our tax dollars is egregious.
	We've all seen it.
	And I know you guys are Christians and you guys obviously don't like seeing being blown up and bombing.
	Kids are kids, man.
	It doesn't matter what border they happen to fall behind.
	And I think that's what's moved all of us to like, you know what, maybe we're not so supportive of us giving money to these guys after we've seen what our tax dollars lead to.
	And at some point, I just think we need to find some kind of middle ground where the Palestinians and the Israelis can come together and have some level of peace.
	But until we solve this Palestine question, man, there's just never going to be peace in the Middle East.
	And I truly do think that.
	I don't think there's ever going to be peace in the Middle East.
	I'm a pessimist too, unfortunately.
	I wish that there was that solution.
	I just don't think that the Middle East has a lot of people.
	I just go to completely not just Palestine.
	No, no, no, no, no, yeah, yeah.
	Not just that.
	But I do think that's step one towards fixing the situation, especially for the Israelis, where they will finally be accepted by these Arab countries.
	My issue is people go, you're America first.
	And I go, yeah, yeah, no, I think we should just not intervene at all, pull all of our money.
	And they go, yeah, but there needs to be some guardrails.
	That sounds like interventionism.
	That's the thing where people go, you're not America.
	I am the most America first by saying no money to any of it.
	We should be out of the UN.
	And by the way, we're not even in NATO until everyone meets their back pay plus interest.
	That's my position.
	I agree.
	I don't even think we should be in NATO either.
	I think NATO is the biggest scam ever.
	How many pussies can you fit in a room?
	Dude, it's literally...
	Yeah.
	NATO, the Middle East.
	I'm a firm believer with you where I think interventionism is a huge problem.
	I think this is one of the things actually that libertarians get 100% right where we just need to start.
	Let's give them nice.
	I disagree with all the people through the libertarian benefits of intervening.
	Libertarianism.
	They're going to be like, see?
	You know, everything else is stupid.
	Like, the women's rights, LOL.
	You know what?
	It'll turn those Palestinians to our side.
	Legalizing black tar heroin.
	Son of a gun.
	But that's the one thing I would say they have right is like this interventionist foreign policy that we've been practicing since the Bush.
	Well, we've been practicing it forever, but it really took a push during the Bush era.
	And having all, you know, being involved in the Middle East.
	I think China is one of the biggest threats that we really need to focus on.
	We need to be focusing on them explicitly, at least at Bush Senior War.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You go to Kosovo and everything.
	It's been since forever, but I would say we really started getting hard after the war on terror.
	The Bush administration really locked us in there in the Middle East for, you know, and we're still there to this day.
	And it's never worked.
	No, it hasn't.
	It's never worked.
	And it's taken us away from what I think is a big problem, which is what's going on in China, the new superpower that's rising.
	Yeah, I agree.
	We need to keep our powder dry for because that would be a war that would be necessary if they decide they want to start popping off.
	Well, they already want it.
	And that's economic warfare.
	But let's make sure we hit Hitler.
	Yes.
	Because I know.
	We don't really have all that much time.
	All right.
	You said what?
	Hitler's.
	I don't know.
	I don't want to be something about Hitler being a just go Which one?
	Okay, yeah.
	So might the fuck with Hitler.
	I don't know how to follow.
	It's one of the comedians.
	I'm trying to give you a clean slate to just sort of, because there's no way that this is not going to result.
	Okay, no.
	Oh, geez.
	Well, I don't know if you did.
	I wouldn't be super happy with you either.
	Yes, I'm a nuts.
	I'm just kidding.
	So my thing is this, right?
	So we all know that the past four years we've had to deal with insane levels of censorship, whether it be from YouTube or Twitch or these other bullshit platforms.
	You know, we've all been targeted.
	You guys have been targeted.
	I've been targeted.
	Everyone on the right wing to some degree has been targeted with the last super pro censorship era that we came from with the Biden administration.
	So when I talk about, you know, Hitler is one of the most misunderstood individuals in history or, you know, was everything true that they told us about World War II?
	What I'm really talking about is it's a middle finger to censorship.
	So when I throw up a Roman salute, it's not about saying, oh, yeah, let's gass all the Jews and kill all the Jews.
	No, it's a middle finger to censorship.
	And the biggest way to give that middle censorship is to attack the things that they've been censoring the hardest, right?
	Right.
	You guys are not going to control our discourse.
	You guys are not going to control our conversations.
	This is the United States of America.
	freedom of speech is important and for us to continue to be able to have freedom of speech we need trailblazers that are willing to be really because if you if you lose if you don't use it We don't need guilers.
	But I was doing YouTube Hitler in 2015.
	That was one of the moments.
	Instead of the Swastika, I had the YouTube logo.
	Of course.
	Oh, the YouTube logo?
	Yeah, yeah.
	YouTube and the Juden.
	Oh, it's hilarious.
	We have happy Hitler on the show.
	Hitler's funny.
	Also, going back to feminism, he lasted one day with that.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	And he was like, I got to end this.
	He's like this.
	He does.
	I could take a million units, but I can't take this bitch.
	Yeah, she's the word.
	I'm done.
	999.
	Avery Bron was Jewish.
	Just kidding.
	I need some meme.
	He found out who's part Jewish and he just ended it.
	I was like, damn, this is a real nigga, man.
	He really has.
	Wait till the Palestinians find out that they're more Jewish than Arabs.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They're the real Semites.
	But no, so all jokes aside.
	So yeah, so my thing is like pushing back on the censorship regime that we've had to deal with the past several years.
	And obviously, you know, a little bit is like, you know, poking fun at shit like that, right?
	Because obviously this topic is what got me demonetized on YouTube.
	So for me, it's like more of like a fuck you to the censorship regime.
	Yeah.
	And I do think that, you know, no topic should be off limits.
	And for some odd reason, that, you know, we weren't able to hear his speeches, weren't able to hear him talk, et cetera.
	And people don't even know, right, that after World War I, right, you guys know this, but a lot of people.
	Treaty of Versailles and how they were embarrassed.
	Germany was like in a really bad spot.
	The Treaty of Versailles is an example of what not to do as far as international diplomacy.
	You back someone up into a corner.
	Absolutely.
	But I would say then you create a Hitler, which I would say is bad.
	So two things.
	So Germany was the economy was doing a lot better because of the Roaring 20s, just like everywhere else in the world.
	But after the entire world economy crashed, everybody started doing poorly.
	And Germany didn't have much of a leg to stand on.
	More so than America and the other things.
	Because Hitler came in 1933, if I'm not mistaken, when he came into power.
	He came in in the unrest.
	So it wasn't the 20s.
	It wasn't the Treaty of Versailles as explicitly like everybody points to.
	Everybody was actually doing okay in the Roaring 20s.
	They weren't doing as well as the United States and developed countries, but it wasn't that.
	It was once the Great Depression started in the United States, dragged down the world economy.
	Then Hitler comes up because of the economic issues.
	Yeah, there was a bunch of different issues.
	But my thing is that, like, right, so number one, this guy's like the most censored dude in history.
	And like, no one ever talks about how, like, you know, there was a period of time where he literally took Germany from like the worst to obviously one of the strongest economies in the world, right?
	Through because everyone says Nazi, you know, which was really the National Socialist Party.
	He instituted a bunch of things to help the country with, you know, regaining its prominence.
	And no one ever talks about that.
	And I think that that's a problem where we demonize people so much or censor the topic so much where we can't even have real discourse or conversations on other things that might have occurred during that period of time.
	So me saying the things that I say about Hitler, it's more of a middle finger to the censorship regime that we've had to deal with versus being like, oh, yeah, I love Hitler.
	It's more about we need to be able to discuss anything, even if it is Hitler.
	No, I think discussions are necessary, but I think you and I both see a difference between being able to say, f it, you know, love it.
	That's my favorite word, right?
	One of the best words of all.
	So listen, and doing a Sieg Heil saying maybe the Austrian painter was right, right?
	There's a different connotation.
	And I understand the pushback on censorship because we've been in that same boat, so I get it.
	But there's a huge difference between saying a word and ascribing kind of virtuousness to probable.
	And you shouldn't be censorship.
	No, you shouldn't.
	But another thing is that.
	It's part of being anti-censorship is a disagreement of like, no, no, no.
	No, and that's great.
	And they did bad things.
	Of course.
	And I think every world leader does, by the way, does horrible things, right?
	That might be.
	Yeah, there are levels of shit.
	But him and Stalin and Mao seem to occupy some rarefied air with Pol Pot as well.
	Like those guys are in different places as far as how probable they were.
	Hopedok, he just didn't have as many people.
	You know, what I would say with that, right?
	So we were talking about bad.
	No, no, no.
	It was before that.
	It was before that.
	The Treaty of Versailles.
	I brought them back.
	The censorship stuff.
	Those are going to suck.
	JuTube.
	Oh, Hitler was right.
	Okay.
	So you were saying.
	Yeah.
	Yes. It was.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So what we were talking about before where Hitler was right.
	So like when I, because I had a clip that went viral on this, and I said Hitler was right about y'all and then XYZ right.
	No one ever knows what I meant, though, when I said that.
	Right.
	So when I said Hitler was right, what I meant was where Jews control media, finances, and certain institutions in countries and they have overrepresentation in certain types of institutions to their benefit.
	So that's what I was talking about when I said Hitler was right about y'all, about that.
	Now, obviously, people are going to clip that and be like, look, see, he said it was right about everything.
	This guy's a genocidal maniac.
	No, but what I was saying is that in his book, if you read Mein Koff or whatever, Henry Ford actually was the first one to bring these ideas.
	Henry Ford sent private letters to Hitler and he was an actual anti-Semitic.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The International Jew, right?
	Great book.
	So in that book, he talks about some light summary.
	World Jewry.
	World Jewry, how it's a global cabal that they are basically helping each other to further Jewish interests.
	And actually, let me be clear about this.
	I don't think that there's a problem with that.
	I actually think Americans need to have the same level of nationalism.
	They did it for a reason in the context of the time.
	Yeah, because they've been the most persecuted.
	They had no power.
	Yeah, they needed power.
	Been persecuted, etc.
	So they worked together.
	And I think that's something that we can actually take a page from them is that unity.
	Because they're hardcore nationalists when it comes to that degree of protecting each other.
	But that's what I meant when I said Hill was right about them.
	I meant as in using wood jury, controlling certain institutions for their benefit, using certain things to their benefit, and self-preserving.
	That's what I meant when I said that.
	Now, obviously, most people are not going to give me the chance to explain that.
	What I meant by that.
	No, no, I get that.
	We see it now, even in America.
	If we look at the American politics, whether it's AIPAC and not having to register under FARA, them being able to get away with certain false flags or being involved in situations they should have been involved in, stealing our nuclear technology, not being held accountable.
	These are all things I meant when I said that Hitler was right about them, where they subvert their host nation to their benefit.
	But maybe he was wrong in his obsession and hyper-focus, because you mentioned APAC.
	They don't even crack like the top 150 as far as PAC organizations.
	And I know here's the one thing that does happen with people.
	And I think you would disagree with these people too, who go, ACT Blue gives, whatever it is, 10, five times APAC.
	You go, there's a Jew in Act Blue.
	So that's also Jewish.
	You go, okay, what about the National Realtors Association?
	There's a Jew in there.
	So it's also Jewish.
	What about we go through the SEIU?
	There's a Jew in there.
	Right.
	It's not the same.
	And you would at least have to allow, everyone would have to laugh at the fact that there are secular Jews and practicing.
	Oh, absolutely.
	So APAC isn't even close.
	And as far as foreign interests, they are secular.
	China are secular.
	Qatar, right?
	It's not even close.
	And I have a problem with all of it.
	The issue that I have, and by the way, we've had this exact conversation where I've said, we do need to find out how Hitler comes to be, whether you agree with him or not.
	We need to be able to have the conversation to find out he comes to be so we can determine if we need to prevent that or if we support it in the future.
	Of course, I'm anti, just to be clear.
	But then the problem I have is with the lies.
	When people go, and Hitler was a Christian.
	No, he wasn't.
	He had deep reviling for Christians.
	When people go, and Hitler, by the way, was just banning books because of the transgender things.
	He also banned all of Mark Twain and Hemingway, for God's sakes.
	So people then throw in a bunch of lies and go like, well, he was just banning my two daddies blow each other in a truck stall.
	Well, I guess I support it.
	It's like, yeah.
	He also banned Hemingway and all of Mark Twain.
	Like there were plenty of books that had nothing to do with modern secular, whatever you want to call Western Judaism, secularism.
	And so then the issue becomes people have this defined now by a lie.
	Where they go, well, Hitler was a Christian and he banned the books because the Jews were pushing LGBTQ.
	It's nonsense.
	It's bullshit.
	If you want to say they were browbeaten on the international stage over Treaty of Versailles, and it's a perfect example of how not to act in international diplomacy.
	Completely agree.
	The issue is now people who are new to the party, they get it defined.
	And then you have people going, and by the way, the ghost of Aver Braun killed Charlie Kirk.
	Whatever the f ⁇ is.
	And it's just like, and then you mentioned conspiratories, rightfully so.
	There are some conspiracies that are legitimate.
	We allowed people in South America to be infected with gonery.
	Hillary Clinton apologized for it just to see how it would spread.
	That happened.
	But then when people go, all right, and they add on to it like the lie.
	Like here's a good example.
	I always go to this.
	George Floyd.
	I'll say this.
	Piece of shit.
	Shouldn't have been out there in public, was arrested nine times.
	But anyone who believes that he held a pregnant woman at gunpoint is believing a lie.
	He held a woman at gunpoint while her toddler was in the house.
	We covered that accurately.
	That truth doesn't spread as quickly as the lie.
	And people go, why are you doing the bidding of Black Lives Matter?
	No, I'm telling you the truth.
	I think it's bad enough that he robbed the woman at gunpoint with her kid there.
	But then you have someone like Candace Owens go out and go, a pregnant woman pistol whipped.
	That's not true.
	And so then you have people go out, and you know what happens when you go and have an argument with the left?
	It's a very few people who've had these conversations in public and put their life in the line.
	You say, hey, George Floyd robbed a pregnant woman.
	They go, fake news, and we're dismissed forever and we lose all momentum.
	If you say, hey, Hitler was a Christian, they go, idiot.
	You go, hey, Hitler only banned.
	They go, f ⁇ ing what?
	He doesn't even know about Hemingway or Mark Twain.
	That's why I'm very concerned about fake news on both the left and the right.
	That's your perspective.
	Regardless of opinion.
	This comes back to what I said before, where we have to be very precise.
	So like what you were talking about, right?
	And adding more context to it, that is very important because, for example, people look at it in the book burnings, because this all came from Jews coming out saying, look, he burned all our Torahs.
	Oh, Eve, he hated us.
	But the reality is during those book burnings, the famous pictures, a lot of that was, you know, from the Sex Institute from Magnus Hirschfeld on Transformation.
	Yeah, but now do Hussain.
	Yeah.
	They don't expand, right?
	And that comes from.
	And that was most of it.
	That comes from them seeing the book burnings and being told one thing, and then them just distrusting everything.
	And that's kind of what sucks where when something is suppressed for so long, we can't have these conversations.
	But then, like, what ends up happening is like the conspirators will have leverage because they're like, see, this has been suppressed forever.
	So now I can go ahead and put in these other things that might not necessarily be true because they lied to you about this.
	So, look, they're lying to you about this as well, not knowing that that person's lying about that little fact.
	Especially post-COVID, because people trust nothing.
	Yes.
	And people are monetizing on that because people trust nothing.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, conspirators are able to kind of come in and have these disingenuous conversations and add in more to the stuff.
	So, like, before they lie, you know, a lot of pro-Jewish groups, Holocaust groups.
	Yeah, look, he was burning the Torahs and, you know, our religious text and this thing.
	But in reality, a lot of that stuff was sexist who stuff.
	But then we don't talk about the Mark Twain and stuff like that that he burned as well.
	He wanted to burn anything that wasn't pro-Hitler.
	Yeah.
	He wanted to burn anything.
	He wanted to burn anything that was anti-socialist as well.
	He wanted to burn anything.
	People say he hated.
	No, he was a fing so communists and socialists are relatives who are having a family spat.
	Let's be honest about it.
	And I just, yeah.
	And having been here, I will say the first, you know, on YouTube, the first conservative on YouTube.
	You can go back to 2006, 2008 with a blue bed sheet.
	There was no money in it.
	I have no dog in that fight.
	I lost my manager, my agents, like, because I was willing to pursue truth.
	And I do think that it's this conversation is very important.
	And I think that you're being, by the way, just to be clear, very genuine.
	I think you articulated it well.
	The problem is you will get shit for what you've said.
	And I will get shit because now there's this environment of people going, if you don't agree, they go, you're, man, it's two sides of team sports.
	That's bullshit.
	By the way, if you don't agree with everything, you're now a Zionist, Myron.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's ridiculous.
	Yeah, there's not nuance or people aren't able to understand hyperbole to a degree.
	But I think I'm willing to offend some people so that others can say stuff that's less extreme than me.
	Right.
	So like if I'm able to go ahead and throw Roman salute and everything, oh my God, that's so crazy.
	But now you can say that there's two genders.
	Right.
	Because that is not as agreeable.
	A little bit different, but I understand.
	I understand where you're coming from.
	Because don't forget.
	Having a conversation is different than throwing like a Roman salute or saying Hitler was right.
	I get it.
	It's fine if he doesn't and it's a joke.
	I don't have any problem with it.
	Yeah.
	I really don't.
	But like two or three years ago, keep in mind where we were.
	You couldn't even say that there were Judaism.
	We couldn't even talk about COVID being a scam.
	Now we can, right?
	But what did we say to get around that, though?
	We said.
	We shared enough truth.
	We just said there are two genders.
	There are only two genders.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You know, like we didn't have to go to some of the extremes.
	I think on the conversations, we went so far so fast, it's really hard to talk about the nationalism that Hitler had as his policy.
	Yeah.
	Because people went straight to he killed JFK.
	They, you know, they killed JFK.
	They do all these things.
	You get to the conspiracy end of everything, and Hitler was right about the Jews and they had too much power.
	You get all the way to the end of it, and it's like, well, I can't talk about any of it now because now I'm dealing with swatting that crap down.
	Yeah.
	Because that's all people are looking at.
	That comes inevitably with free speech, right?
	Is because now that we have more free speech than we did before, now you got to also kind of swat the weirdos.
	Yeah, hopefully we'll reel it back because there is a conversation to.
	Except I will say this.
	This is my opinion.
	You only get it from two groups.
	You get it from the left, right?
	They celebrate the death of Charlie Trigger.
	I think we all agree on that.
	There's a culture of violence.
	Absolutely nuts.
	And you get it from the group of people if you don't follow lockstep with them on Israel and Hitler.
	Those are the only two groups I've experienced with it.
	Okay.
	Well, and with the people who are in the world, pro-violence and pro-violence, with the pro-violence, you mean?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you risk being swatted.
	You risk security of your family from the left always.
	So that's why it's such a problem, whether it's gender, whether it's abortion, whether it's marginal tax rates.
	We're all Nazis just for even discussing this right now.
	But on the right, it's only if you go, hey, and by the way, I still think Hitler was bad.
	There's only one group on the right where it becomes a security risk.
	That's been my experience.
	And I say this as someone who is on an international kill list, not just the ISIS kill list, the frequent flyer list, the natural fatwa.
	So like, I've got ISIS.
	I've got obviously leftists.
	Iron are here for a reason.
	Or to defund all of it isn't enough because I must be filleting Netanyahu in a back room.
	It's like he couldn't be less happy with someone like me saying, of course you should be tried.
	And of course we shouldn't be giving you any money.
	That's the, that's the, and when you understand too that the left has used it as a wedge issue.
	They have a vested interest and you have obviously worked in intelligence.
	They're very effective with it.
	If you could fracture the right and erase all the wins, it would be create a faction of people who call both Myron, Stephen Crowder, Gerald, Nick Frontis, whoever, Zionist shills, no matter what they say.
	It would be a very effective way to fracture the right.
	Yeah, no, and then we're already seeing kind of it happen sometimes right now because now we're in and, you know, obviously, and I'll tell you this, if a Democrat ever gets in, I truly do think we're all cooked.
	Like, they're going to, they're going to absolutely.
	Blood brothers, all right?
	Let's see.
	Trump's like, you know, Comey, Bolton, Letitia James, you know, probably Shift Next.
	Like, I think if they ever get back into power, the lawfare is going to be wage times 10 because they started this war.
	Oh, yeah, I agree.
	Against Trump.
	And, I mean, they're crazy to think he wasn't going to come back.
	You guys are over here committing mortgage fraud and doing crimes as well, acting as if you're not going to get persecuted now that he's back in power.
	Because they were doing all this shit while committing crimes, which is crazy to me.
	But that's a whole other question.
	A lot of crimes.
	Lots of them.
	Like, not just a little, not a few.
	Like, all the time.
	They were doing all the, isn't that ironic how Letitia went after him for like real estate fraud?
	And then she was doing it too.
	Isn't that f ⁇ ing wild?
	Yeah, I think they didn't take her case, though.
	Yeah.
	So come on.
	But yeah, but to put up on the Titler thing.
	You said Titler.
	I'm sorry, Hitler thing.
	My bad.
	I'm thinking about women.
	That's what I call my lady.
	Yeah.
	You want to be my titler?
	Yes, give me your tits.
	But yeah, no.
	So to me, I think, you know, being able to have difficult discussions, being able to, you know, question everything is something that we need to do.
	We need to push the edges.
	So, you know, that's why it's more of a middle finger to the censorship regime.
	And I do think that he is misunderstood and a lot of people don't understand a lot of the things.
	And I do think that he was accurate about a lot of things, especially when it comes to Jewish power, how Jews run things, et cetera.
	Because we're even seeing it now kind of, you know, in American society where we have this ridiculous lobbying power from Zionist Jews in America where they're able to kind of get a lot of the things that they want that other countries or other people might not be able to do, right?
	Like the anti-Semitism laws that they passed and everything else like that.
	I don't think any other group of people would have that level of influence to be able to get that done.
	So that's where I come from when I have that perspective, when I say the things that I say.
	And I think that we should be able to have discussions, even on some of the most taboo topics like we've been able to do now.
	The crazy part is like if we had this conversation on YouTube, it would get banned.
	And I think that's a problem in itself.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's, I mean, we were banned so many times and demonetized so many times that.
	Yeah, because they don't even want you to talk about this.
	Like if we talk about it.
	They don't want you talking about anything.
	They banned us for quoting the CDC saying that more kids die from the flu than COVID.
	That's a fact.
	We were banned.
	They didn't even have a justification.
	They said, yeah, but it might cause people to not take COVID seriously.
	So that's why we're banning.
	You're like, did we say anything inaccurate?
	Like, no.
	So, and thank God for Rumble.
	And I think we would also agree, too.
	Like, X, there's a little bit of a facade there where if you look at it, like, oh, wait, hold on a second.
	Talk out, speak out against H-1Bs.
	Oh, well, now you lose your badge.
	That's what got me in trouble.
	That's actually what got me jammed up was not even the Jews.
	It was the Jeets.
	Oh, yeah.
	Why?
	Because, hey, people stand to benefit from a lot of cheap labor.
	And I think Elon's right about a lot of things.
	But then when you kind of bear down on it, you go like, oh, okay, there are some problems here, transhumanism and this idea that we need uncapped H-1Bs.
	And so I'm very, very grateful for Rumble.
	Chris Pepper.
	Rumble's the only free speech, true free speech platform.
	They're the only ones.
	Like, X doesn't even come close because like, yeah, if you criticize, you know, criticize Jews on X, you can get by with it.
	But like, yeah, with the Jews in the H-1B visa, that's actually what got a lot of people jammed up, lost their blue checks.
	It got me demonetized, lost me my blue check because I said these are scam visas that Jeets used to basically come here and get a bunch of dude for a period of time.
	The same thing would happen if you criticized Ashley Sinclair before the cat got out of that bag.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	Elon's baby bomb.
	No, no, yeah, no, someone else.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I remember like if people talk like she was getting $27,000 like a week or every two weeks and no one and then we're getting $3 a month.
	And then the Asian Tiffany Fong, they were, I think, because Elon wanted to bang both of them.
	I don't think he did dang Tiffany Fawn.
	He didn't.
	He didn't.
	I think he wanted to.
	And she was like, what are you doing?
	Whereas Ashley Sinclair was like, ooh, he was a target.
	Oh, yeah.
	No, there was a period of time where if you spoke out against it, people are like, oh, wait, now I've been throttled.
	So he has kind of, there is some truth to the authoritarian idea where he's used Twitter to like, let me just silence this voice.
	Oh, Myron's going to speak out against H-1Bs.
	Let me throttle him.
	And Rumble doesn't do that.
	And Chris Pavlovsky drives me nuts because we will have conversations.
	We'll get off into tech stuff.
	I'm like, Chris, speed it up.
	But the guy means what he says.
	Yeah, Chris is about it.
	He's gotten turned off in countries.
	Oh, yeah.
	For this.
	Brazil.
	Brazil, France.
	I think they just started going back on.
	France, not Brazil.
	France just came back.
	Russia got shut down.
	China got shut down.
	So he will protect creators to the point where we will turn our service off in your country if you're going to tell us the sense of this guy.
	So yeah, Chris is definitely truly the free speech guy.
	And I've told him this many times.
	He's going to go down history for what he's done, man.
	Because Twitch, YouTube, et cetera, they have a big problem with conservatives.
	And this is a big reason why people might say, Myron, you're radical.
	You talk about Hitler, blah, blah, blah.
	I do it so that we can continue to have discussions on, you know, Hitler's not a thing anymore.
	What I'm saying is like, maybe we ought to have the conversations now on the real shit, right?
	But we should also be able to talk about things that were taboo before.
	So pushing that edge is super important.
	And it's like going to the gym.
	If you don't lose it, you use it.
	Sorry, if you don't use it, you lose it, right?
	Atrophy.
	So you got to go in the gym and curl.
	And we got to curl that Hitler dumbbell every now and then and be like, hey, man.
	Oh, no.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	You ended it on a gay note.
	Curls.
	Headless squats.
	Compound, son.
	And I'll quit, you know, lay on my plane here.
	With the H-1B visa, please just not into a building.
	I know.
	That's only on September.
	It's not the anniversary past.
	You guys are safe.
	Thanks.
	Next year.
	Okay.
	Next year, we got it.
	We're not going to miss this time.
	And I'm going to make sure Mordecai's not involved.
	All right.
	I appreciate it.
	But with the immigration thing, and that's why, because when I was being critical of the H-1B visa, I used to work in immigration as an HSI special agent.
	So I understood that we were getting beat on so many different fronts when it comes to immigration in this country.
	And the H-1B visa was just one of the many ways we were getting beat.
	Because it's not just illegal aliens coming in through the Southwest border.
	It's also our visa system, which is being exploited.
	Our document and benefit system that's getting exploited, whether it's green cards, work authorizations, all this stuff.
	We're getting beat on so many different angles when it comes to immigration.
	And the H-1B visa is one of the ones, one of the ways that we were being exploited the most.
	So when I called it on, I said, this is one of the problems with immigration.
	Boom, you know, you lose your blue check.
	And it was like, whatever.
	That's a huge scam.
	And it's a scam that makes a lot of powerful people a lot of money.
	Even Trump admitted it.
	That, yeah, I hired people when he came into president.
	Yeah, we got to reel it back a little bit when he was campaigning.
	I think back in 2015, when he was campaigning, like, yeah, it's a powerful visa.
	I use it, get around things, but we do need to restrict it to a degree.
	So he even did, because entrepreneurs, right, you want cheap labor, et cetera.
	It's one of the best ways to get it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, just ask Dubai, right?
	That's like, hey, come over your slaves.
	You know what I mean?
	No, it cracked the whip.
	Then they find out it takes like 12 Indians to do the job that one Eastern European would do.
	Pretty much.
	And they're like, well, we don't want to pay that guy.
	That's too much money.
	So let's bring in more Jesus.
	Well, he doesn't want to be racist.
	But they're so feeble.
	Yeah.
	That's six versus 12 Indians.
	All right.
	Last plug here.
	Where's the best place we'll find you, Myron?
	I appreciate it, brother.
	No, of course.
	No, it was a great conversation.
	And thank you guys for letting me kind of expand on some of these topics that people would typically never let me expand on.
	No, I think it's great.
	And I think that you, look, I get it when sometimes you know you're going to say something so that people pay attention.
	And then unfortunately, some people don't pay attention past 10 seconds to understand the conversation.
	Oh, yeah.
	So I wanted to.
	They just heard Hitler was right.
	No, they saw the Roman salute and they're like, Yeah.
	You know, and I was able to get their attention.
	But after that, they're like, this guy's a Nazi.
	Only on Sundays.
	And today's a Sunday.
	I'm just kidding.
	Fresh and Fit.
	Yeah, Fresh and Fit Everywhere on Rumble and YouTube, all the platforms.
	Fresh and Fit.
	That's the main podcast we do with the self-improvement.
	And then my channel, where I do political and cultural stuff, Myron Gains X on all the platforms.
	Rumble's home base, but I also stream on YouTube and all the other platforms as well.
	Well, Kick Party, et cetera.
	YouTubin.
	So, uh, we'll leave you with that.

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