Oct. 16, 2025 - Louder with Crowder
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| Where she said, I would never be uh at UT if not for affirmative action. | |
| I said, affirmative, and I believe it. | |
| Affirmative action is racist by its definition, my opinion. | |
| It excludes on race. | |
| That is a form of racism. | |
| So anyway, she sat down, she said, and black girl. | |
| She said, uh, but if it wasn't for affirmative action, she said, I wouldn't be here at UT. | |
| I said, why do you say that? | |
| She said, well, because I wouldn't be allowed. | |
| I said, well, what were your SATs? | |
| Remember the numbers that were very impressive. | |
| I said, what was your GPA? | |
| It was very impressive. | |
| It was over a 4.0. | |
| I said, that's really sad to me that you don't know, and you'll never know that you deserve to be here because I can tell you, based on if you're telling me the truth, you of course would get into UT. | |
| And you didn't need a government program. | |
| And you could see in her face, her teeth, tears welled up because she had been told that she needed someone else to give it to her. | |
| And that removed her sense of pride in her accomplishment. | |
| So I said the exact same thing as Charlie did, saying, you can never know if you earned it a meritocracy because of DEI. | |
| And she changed her mind. | |
| And she said, you know what? | |
| I should be here, and I don't need DEI. | |
| Affirmative action in that case in that nation in order to believe that. | |
| And that yeah, in that particular and certainly not from a white guy. | |
| In that particular instance, it might have been, it might have been completely accurate. | |
| But there's also, if you if you want to acknowledge that there's a flip side to the coin, sure, right? | |
| There's also a lot of people who had the qualifications who didn't get the access because once again, their name appeared wrong on the on the resume. | |
| Your name was Katanji. | |
| Well, we know who that is. | |
| Let's go with Alice. | |
| Yeah. | |
| She is an idiot and she got the job because. | |
| That's why affirmative action had to be in the instituted in the first place. | |
| Now, did it operate correctly all the time? | |
| No. | |
| But that's what I'm saying. | |
| Just because it didn't operate correctly all the time, you're gonna take the few instances where it didn't, and the majority is a very good thing. | |
| What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk, I agree. | |
| What I'm saying is that Charlie Kirk was making a point. | |
| And the point that he was making, I'm trying to say is the same point that I was making where this black girl agreed with it, where he was saying, if you say that I'm only here because of DEI, then I am going to believe you. | |
| Right. | |
| That's what he's saying. | |
| And that's a valid point. | |
| And it's not hateful. | |
| In doing that, you have the responsibility in your words to not have to say the words moronic black woman. | |
| You could have just said, if I'm on the like you said, you you just perfectly summed it up. | |
| If I'm on the phone with a customer service agent and she's a moron, perfect. | |
| Why does she have to be qualified as black? | |
| Because he was addressing DEI. | |
| That's the point. | |
| But do you do you understand? | |
| Do you understand how that's gonna affect somebody who hears it? | |
| No, no, no. | |
| My point is. | |
| Okay, then I'm insensitive. | |
| If someone is addressing DEI in a conversation and is asked about it, where race is relevant as per the policy, DEI, it exists based on race. | |
| You can't blame someone for acknowledging the race in criticizing the policy. | |
| But the policy was created because race was being used to exclude. | |
| Fine. | |
| Then don't say that it's wrong for him to acknowledge the race. | |
| He was making the point about a race-based initiative. | |
| You see, that's why he calls the race. | |
| You see the choice in words he had to use. | |
| And and and once again, our responsibility and our choice of words is what creates a response in other people. | |
| I could say certain things to you, no, the way I say it can either imp it it can either give you a good vibe or a bad one. | |
| And you go a certain way. | |
| Yeah, but who cares? | |
| It doesn't make someone a racist. | |
| It doesn't, but I'm saying, when when when people when people do things knowing that we're in a heightened inflammatory time, and you do it and you do it on purpose and just bet stand behind, I'm whatever, it don't make me a racist, but I'm saying that y'all ain't sh whatever. | |
| But he never said that. | |
| Whatever. | |
| No, but that matters because believing those lies is why someone killed women in a in a in a in a in a certain context, and then I'm not expecting nobody to get upset by that. | |
| Let me uh do have to get, but let me just because Charlie Kirk is a big thing. | |
| Let me just kind of maybe if you could just listen to this, because this is important, and I've been through it, and you're just seeing the the actual murder that got through. | |
| Right. | |
| I mean, I've had concrete milk chase, someone tried to bash group that with a rock, I've had people try to firebomb my car, slash my tires, I've had terrorists show up from Yemen by way of Sweden until the local PD showed up. | |
| Like, actually, I'm on the ISIS kill list. | |
| But it's a real thing, Charlie. | |
| So all the stuff Dr. King and Malcolm S was dealing with. | |
| Go ahead, finish it. | |
| Sure, great. | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| And I think it was wrong that he was taking probably the CIA involvement too. | |
| I think we probably all agree on that. | |
| But MLK, right? | |
| Yeah, it's wrong. | |
| We can say it's all wrong. | |
| But if you add it up, okay, where you believe the lie that he said something racist. | |
| Let's just take that, okay? | |
| There's some hate put out there against Charlie Kirk, that's not true. | |
| If someone believes a lie that he wants to erase trans people, that's what the people were also told. | |
| He wants to erase trans people, which is a lie, that person hates him too. | |
| If someone believes that he's a fascist, or he's a Nazi, who doesn't believe we should hold democratic elections, which is a lie, and people believe that, hey, that adds another piece of hatred and justification too. | |
| Someone believes that he's a massagist, a sexist who doesn't think that women should be allowed to vote or have the right to you know earn their place in the workplace, that's not and every single one of them is dishonest, just like no one here knew that Donald Trump said, I condemn white supremacists and neo-Nazis totally. | |
| So I still don't know that he said it. | |
| I hear you saying he said it, but I'd have to I'd have to go see it in order to do that. | |
| Okay, so let's assume for a second that I'm not lying, and right after this, I make the references available always. | |
| And you see that. | |
| And let's assume that I'm not lying, and Charlotte Kirk wasn't racist. | |
| And let's assume that he didn't want to commit genocide against trans people. | |
| And let's assume for a second that I'm not lying, and there's a 12 times murder rate from black toward white people as opposed to white tour. | |
| Let's assume that I'm not lying about any of this, because I'm kind of good at it, and I know these numbers, and it's what I do. | |
| Wouldn't we acknowledge that, hey, why? | |
| Why do so many people believe these lies? | |
| I guarantee you, this right here, this conversation, you will read in the media that this was racist. | |
| Because I sat down and discussed race issues. | |
| Because I sat down and argued with black people. | |
| I have been accused of being a Nazi because of sitting down and having conversations. | |
| I said, Well, you should know that's offensive. | |
| That's not my responsibility. | |
| I'm actually having a conversation, and so did Charlie. | |
| And he was shot for it and vilified for it. | |
| And it wrongly. | |
| And that's wrong, yeah. | |
| That's wrong. | |
| And nobody But it's because people believe the lie. | |
| But that's that's my point. | |
| It's because the the way the way information is propagate propagated and and given to people, yeah, once again, via social media, all these other platforms, and most of it is disinformation. | |
| I agree. | |
| So that's the root of the problem is giving people the wrong information, and then they respond into this wrong information by feeling a certain way about the people that that information is informing them about. | |
| Yep. | |
| So then you have crazy people responding to misinformation. | |
| And that's what we at. | |
| We're a bunch of crazy people, a bunch of shit-up soda cans waiting to pop over some bad information. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And this is the only part. | |
| You know, as it relates to the Charlie Kirk situation, the only thing I think we kind of get the mixed messaging at is, as I said again, it was a young white man that killed Charlie Kirk for his personal issues, whatever those uh, whatever those ideologies that may have been the cause of fuel his violence, it wasn't a black man who said, I don't like what he said. | |
| Nevertheless, he has said that, you know, uh, Katanji Brown Jackson, uh, what's that young lady that Michelle Obama, all these people, DI highs. | |
| In other words, we respond differently because we have gotten so accustomed to it in terms of what our what's believed about us or perceived about us. | |
| So we just know, hey, at tomorrow, it'll be another sound bite on some other sh. | |
| You understand what I'm talking about? | |
| So we're not gonna react the same way. | |
| So I think we gotta acknowledge the fact that hey, you know what? | |
| There may need to be a change in the conversation overall as it relates to what the really what's really the hell going on with white and black America. | |
| That's why I see I just need you to kind of just, and Steve, when I say this, it's not a challenge, but I gotta ask you, you gotta tell me these sources where you're getting this 12 times more likely a black man killing a white person. | |
| I gotta know that. | |
| Not because it's contradictory, but because I like to have facts. | |
| Give me the sauce. | |
| I'll give them to you. | |
| Yeah, when we do it, we always give a QR code where you can see all of them. | |
| These are coming from either the FBI or the C. No, you say QR code C, and that's a blind. | |
| I know that's what I'm saying. | |
| I told you about that. | |
| I'm just bringing her out in Braille and ship that. | |
| By the way, you want to hear funny true hand of God. | |
| I dated a girl in college whose dad was at uh he was at an airport and next to him was Stevie Wonder. | |
| He was reading a Playboy in Braille. | |
| I was like, I guess he had to do that one-handed. | |
| I don't know how you use a plant playboy and braille, but hey man, black people, we love sex, that's our only connection to the rest of society. | |
| Stevie Wonder, playboy and braille. | |
| He's a thuff. | |
| All right, it's been a pleasure. | |
| Hey, Cedric, thanks. | |
| I gotta get going too. | |
| Thank you, man. | |
| Now that I know you're blind, I'm gonna do that. | |
| Thank you for everything, man. | |
| Continue your discourse, man, because this is the only way we're gonna really get to the body. | |
| Oh, we've got to talk about it first. | |
| So let's create the dialogue. | |
| Yeah, and I came in hot because you know my friends are getting killed. | |
| Absolutely. | |
| Absolutely, man. | |
| But I appreciate it. | |
| No, thank you guys. | |
| And hopefully we can take it to do what you do, man. | |
| When your life is on the line all the time. | |
| I mean, come on, that's not something to scoff at me. | |
| Just think about the possibility of losing children. | |
| This might this might be the cure if we can if we can do it in a way that you know what I'm saying, like keep it in a way that that people don't get all up in arms about it. | |
| That's why I'm doing it. | |
| That's why I'm trying. | |
| Yeah. | |
| And I know, I know we're never gonna agree agree on everything. | |
| We probably might not agree on anything. | |
| That's all right. | |
| Promise, but at least we had a conversation. | |
| Yeah, we've had a conversation, man. | |
| Yes, sir. | |
| Yes, nobody walks away from the conversation. | |
| Wrong about others. | |
| Watch, I'm gonna walk out of here. | |
| I have a white motherfucker. | |
| Yeah, don't leave no mics behind. | |
| I'm gonna tell you that. | |
| Well, there you have it. | |
| What do you make of what you just watched? | |
| Assuming you watched both installments. | |
| Do you think there's hope that we're in the path toward reconciliation? | |
| Or are we completely cooked? | |
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