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And it looks like they've been really prepping it for a long time.
And now the idea has been revived under this Labor government.
Ministers have been looking at a digital ID scheme in Estonia and Eastern Europe, which is used to access public services.
And they believe that attitudes towards ID cards have softened as concerns about illegal immigration have risen.
Bingo.
Here's my rabbit hole.
Just go with me for just a second on this.
For a long time, we've been wondering why would these countries allow themselves to be overrun by immigrants who don't share their values at all?
It's not about brown, black, Asian, white.
That's not the issue at all.
The issue is culture.
It always has been, right?
The problem in these countries is that they're being overrun with populations of people that absolutely have nothing in common with their society.
They're opposites, actually.
Right?
You start putting in these very godless societies.
And I understand the qualms with Europe, but at least it has a very Catholic backbone to it, a very Christian backbone.
Frantic society.
These Asian countries, India, Pakistan, African countries to some degree, they don't really have that same Christian backbone historically.
There is some, obviously, in Northern Africa, and I understand where Christianity started.
Don't go down that rabbit trail with me.
Just follow what I'm saying.
They don't really map onto our form of civilization very well with these shared ideals and morals, some better than others, but these groups in particular, the ones from countries that are highly Islamic and the ones that come from countries like India and Pakistan, they don't really map on very well.
Why would they open their doors for decades?
Like you could look around and see decimating these places and then have a system set up where if they can just get to one point of entry across all of these different countries, they can go anywhere within the European Union.
And we just were scratching our heads going, what are we doing?
And then after books have been written on this, after arguments have been had, after data has been analyzed, and people have said we are fed up with this and these movements start happening all across Europe, the United States starts doing the exact same thing with its southern border.
Why in the world would they do that?
Now, listen, I'm not saying this is, but I'm saying an answer that I just heard that reporter give towards the very end was they're so fed up with illegal immigration, their attitude towards the digital ID has softened.
That's scary because I don't know other than stealing an election, but I don't think it's as simple as that here in the United States.
I don't think it's quite as easy.
I think it's very, very plausible, if not necessarily likely, but plausible that you allow a problem so that you can present the solution.
And digital ID for them might be that solution.
Getting all of that information in one place.
And this is something that you have to fight.
Britons, Americans, everybody.
I didn't realize that several countries in Europe already have this.
I believe Germany put this in place and it didn't do anything to help their immigration problem.
I think Nigel Farage was talking about that.
By the way, he's up on Starmer right now, pretty big.
I think he's got like a six-point lead in the latest polls because he's much tougher on immigration, even though Nigel wasn't as tough as he needed to be.
He took a harder line stance and now is doing very well.
And it matters because I don't want this stuff coming to us.
We don't want digital ID.
You want to do a deep dive on it?
Look at what's going on in China.
I know that's a much more difficult situation to kind of parse out, but if you want to travel, if you want to have a bank account, you want to avoid public shaming, you want to avoid having all of your data in one place for the government, AI, to be able to use and then COVID happens, you don't get work.
You don't have the jab.
Completely shut out.
You don't get to travel.
You don't get to access your bank account.
You don't get to rent.
You don't get any public services at all.
It really is a dystopian type of future if we let this go that direction.
So everybody in Britain needs to come.
I mean, I thought he had picked every bad policy you could pick to get people to protest and put up the flag everywhere around the country, but I guess he found a new one that he thought was going to get people behind him.
And hopefully it results in the end of his administration and Britain finally going back towards its roots a little bit more.
But Josh, you actually had a question you wanted to ask before we go.
Yeah, before we move on to the next question.
So I'm curious about this, and you know a lot about the topic.
How is thank you for answering my question?
How is this digital ID requirement to work?
How is that different from a social security number here in the States?
So the reason it's different and having an ID to prove you're a citizen, I don't really have much of a problem with that.
Now, I know there's some people that will still have a problem with that.
I don't.
I understand that you have to be able to identify citizens like with a driver's license or some kind of government-issued idea.
You should have one of those things.
Here's who you are.
That's right.
Yeah, but apparently that's a problem.
That's right.
But if you want to vote, you got to have one.
Right.
Can't say that because it's racist, apparently.
I think it's different because this is a digital system where all of this information is going to be stored kind of in one place.
And are they taking biometrics from it?
Well, I. Is that part of it too?
Because that'd be something that would definitely fight against.
Right now, the TSA stuff that they're doing is taking biometric information from people in the United States when they did the news report.
We can say no.
Yeah, you can.
You can say no.
They harken back to a report from like, I think 2005 or 2010.
There was another time that they tried to start implementing this, and it was all biometric data as well.
Basically, you had to look into the cameras at that time.
They were a little bit bigger.
Technology is advanced, but it's putting all of this stuff in one digital space that the government now has access and control over.
It can do whatever.
That is the problem.
Well, theoretically, there may be safeguards in place.
And hopefully they have the best intentions, you know, in heart.
Yeah.
But no one ever does.
I just don't think it's a problem.
The government ever does.
No, that's what I mean.
That's what I mean.
No one in any government ever has only the best intentions.
Right.
There's always some kind of other intention.
Like, are they going to, I mean, are they going to sell this information?
Well, so.
Are they going to use it to find people?
Are they going to use it to persecute people?
How are they finding people?
Say it this way.
Control.
Control.
Using it to control people.
That is what this is about.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, the nefarious plot on this side, I'm not saying this is ultimately the nefarious plot.
I'm saying in general, what the nefarious plot is with your information is to control you.
Now, there are a lot of ways to do that that are very overt, like they do in China and other places, freezing bank accounts and Vietnam.
That's overt control.
You have to do what we say, otherwise you can't do XYZ, right?
But there's also covert control where they manipulate you and feed you information and stories and based on all of your data to make you believe something is true and to kind of force you into doing it.
It's like the inception issue where you basically think it's your own idea, essentially, to behave this way or to react this way to something.
And that is just as nefarious in my mind.
I don't want the government having all of our data.
Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter to save free speech.
Maybe that was a part of it.
Elon Musk doesn't understand free speech.
So that's why I can say that with some clarity.
Maybe he liked the idea of political discourse, but he really doesn't understand free speech.
And he's learned more and more over time what that really does look like, but not when he bought it.
X is definitely more free speech than it used to be.
It's way more.
It's not completely.
It's not what we as Americans would define as a free speech.
He bought it for data.
Yeah.
This was not a play of like, I can turn Twitter around and make it something better.
This was, I need data for my training, my AIC training.
Like, I need to have as much data as possible to train these AI models.
But it was a good selling point, just like how Kier Starmer's using the selling point of even going to this press conference and doing one thing which I kind of respect, but at the same time, it's like, it's kind of a tricky tactic where he said, we've been a bit squeamish.
This in the past, and it kind of goes, okay, well, thanks for acknowledging that, but did you do this on purpose?
You're going down the wrong path.
Did you bring all these people, let these people come in, all you know, laissez-faire, you know, just so you can convince the people who didn't want the mandatory ID that we now need the mandatory ID?
Because they're like, oh, well, if you're finally going to attack this immigration problem, then I guess, sure, yeah, you can take all my biometrics and take my identification and take my information.
Just know everything about me.
I don't like it.
I don't think you guys should like it.
Let me know in the chat.
Let me know what you guys think about this.
If this rabbit hole of mine.
Well, they've been talking how we're already implementing real ID here, which kind of baby steps towards.
So I'm not as up on what real ID is in the states.
Like, I got one of those notices that said you had to have real ID, but if your card has this logo on it already, it is real ID.
I'm not sure how that's different.
Yeah, Texas already has it.
I just don't know how it's different from other licenses.
I haven't done a lot of research on it, so I apologize.
But I heard it.
I'm assuming they mean like it's stored more in a database and it could be linked to other things, but it isn't yet.
Yeah, I'm afraid of understanding where you cannot fly without a real ID.
Correct.
Yeah.
I think that went into effect sometime this year, before summertime or around summer.
You might be able to have a passport might work instead of a real ID, but yeah.
But a passport does come with biometrics.
Yeah.
You needed a passport to get the new license here.
Oh, did you?
A significant form of identification.
Right.
Passport.
And just a student ID that I made in my basement.
No, can't do that.
I understand wanting to have information available and having it across platforms.
That idea makes sense.
But the problem is what governments and nefarious actors could do with it.
Governments aren't completely secure.
Come on.
Like, we know motivated people can get access to information and systems they're not supposed to have access to.
So why would we put everything in one place?
It's like, make them work for it.
If you get hacked over here, at least you're not hacked over here and here and here and here, like your passwords for your different accounts.
Like if you've got one to kind of rule them all, then it's like, well, that makes it a little harder to make sure that you're secure.
So I have a lot of, I have a lot of issues with that.
I would like to see what you guys have to say in the chat in just a minute.
But I felt like we would be remiss if we didn't cover this.
And I know that a number of people saw this happen yesterday, the attack on a Mormon church in Grand Blanc, so the LDS church in Grand Blanc, Michigan, where this gentleman opened fire and ended up setting the church on fire as well.
We begin without breaking news out of Grand Blanc township.
A mass shooting and fire at a church has left at least four people dead and eight others injured.
The shooter is also dead.
Do me a favor and admonish me really quickly.
Oh.
You want it?
Well, I want it.
It's for a good reason.
And I'll tell you why as you do it.
I feel weird about this.
Just do it.
Trust me.
Go along with me.
I said gentlemen, I meant human piece of excrement.
Shut the church up and set it on fire.
So the shooter is 40 years.
Format scumbag.
Piece of absolute crap.
Yeah.
Not gentlemen.
My apologies.
So here's what we know.
The shooter was a 40-year-old Iraq war veteran.
His son is battling congenital disease.
Obviously, I hate to hear that about his son.
And the media immediately tried to paint this as a right-wing political act of violence.
And primarily, it was initially because of the American flags on the truck that was driven into the church, also a Trump sign on the house and a picture of the shooter wearing a Trump t-shirt in 2020, or at least talking about the 2020 election.
So the authorities have not yet established a motive and included, including whether he was motivated by his son's condition, politics, or really anything else.
And so we don't have a whole lot of additional information.
Here's what I wanted to say.
If it turns out that this person is a right-wing extremist who shot up an LDS church because he thought it would advance his political ideas or ideology, I absolutely, unequivocally, condemn that.
It should never happen ever.
He's an evil piece of crap to do that.
He's an evil piece of crap to do that no matter what the reason is.
And that includes being insane.
I have no idea what this person's motives were.
Two things on top of that that I would like to tell you.
For those of you right now who are responding to Mike Lee's post about the LDS church and how it is another branch of Christianity, I have my issues, but that's a conversation for another day.
The only thing that we should be doing right now, and I'm not saying that Mike Lee was wrong for putting that out.
What I'm saying is the responses, starting a debate about that right now and disagreeing with that and saying some very mean for clicks things to Mike Lee.
Now is not the time for that.
Now is the time to pray for, to love, and to support the people in the LDS community that are obviously mourning something that happened to people that were their own.
I think we can all do that, no matter what group they are a part of, no matter what we think about their faith.
I think that's very easy for us to do, unless, of course, we have deeper problems that speak a lot more about us than they do about them.
And for the record, every interaction I've ever had with Mormons has been spectacular, including the guy who helped us find the church that we were trying to find for the busload of people that I was with who said, don't ever let it be said that the Mormons didn't help you.
It's like, I didn't know that was a thing.
I didn't know that you guys walked around hearing that.
Oh, they're helpers, dude.
Very helpful, very nice.
They are.
They are the helpers of the world.
They will, dude, if you ever have a Mormon missionary, I guess what they call it, if they come to your house to try to teach you about their new book, their new hit book, the whatever it's called, the Mormon Bible Book of Mormon.
Is that right?
You let them in.
Let them in and let them talk.
And then after they're done talking, they might ask you, but you can probe them.
They will help you with chores.
You can't use people for chores.
Yes, you can absolutely use them for chores.
No, that's not right.
Yeah, they put out moving companies.
Wait till you need to.
In Salt Lake City, there's moving companies that went out of business because Mormons kept helping other people move.
Yeah.
I think the situation has improved over the last couple decades, but yeah.
You got more selfish over the couple of decades more onto you.
Just now every time you come to your house, you're like, hey, yeah, can you tell me about, by the way, Pearl of Great Price, love the book.
I just need a little bit more instruction.
Can you help me move my sofa?
They love it, dude.
They love going in.
The opportunity to, you know, when people slam the door in their face, you know how many people say, get out of here.
Don't ever come back.
No, I'm Christian.
I'm not interested.
No, thank you.
The fact that you let them in, you let them tell, you let them tell you their story.
Oh, they're ecstatic.
They're like 17.
They're out.
That's what they're doing.
Their whole goal is to help people and to spread the word of Mormonism.
And move.
Let them.
Yeah.
Hey, look, I got some cobwebs in the garage.
Let's go.
It's not nice.
I got to move some stuff to the alley.
I started this off because I wanted to be nice to this, and you've just turned it into something completely self-defense.
I'm giving them what they want, dude.
How do you know?
How do you know they're not obligated?
I've done it.
It's one of those things.
I need my fascia painted.
Your fascia?
What's your fascia?
What is that?
What do you just say?
Oh, underneath the overhang.
Yeah, I understand.
Yeah, get that painted for it.
You guys know any Mormons send them my way.
You're like, hold on, let me get the paint.
Tell them about ladders, and then we'll talk about this outside.
I'll get the gear first.
You tell me as you're paint the fan.
Someone else has to get me the Mormons.
Okay.
I think you can actually arrange for them to come visit your house.
So this is this, there might be that.
I've got to do this one job.
Just one?
Yeah.
But you'll end up on the list forever, by the way.
Yeah, you got to let them talk about their book, though.
That's like a big part of it.
That's fair.
Yeah, you got to let them and then really just kind of, you know, maybe fake it a little bit.
Like, oh, really?
I think that would happen.
I just, I feel like this is going to a really dark place.
When I was trying to be helpful, pray for these people.
Now, let me go back to the serious nature of this.
Obviously, we handle some of the seriousness with a little bit of comedy.
Very sad situation.
Four people dead, I believe, is what they were saying.
Eight people right now wounded.
Was it six or seven still missing because of the fire?
Yeah, that's what they said.
Earlier they were saying seven.
I don't know for sure, but the number is close to that.
So it's a devastating situation.
I really do.
I want to know why.
Now, I want to say this too.
For those of you pieces of crap on the left who are immediately running out and saying, see, this is right-wing extremism and violence.
It's okay to make an assumption with some information when it makes sense.
When you start to go, hey, these things are starting to add up for that.
How in the world does it advance right-wing ideology to attack Mormons?
That doesn't make sense.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
If you don't like Mormons, typically the biggest thing against Mormons is the annoying thing, maybe.
Very nice people.
Or that they are conservative.
Yes.
So people don't like that.
It doesn't seem like the natural thing to go, aha, this is somebody trying to, you know, do this.
I know that Candace just did a video.
We lampooned it.
I think everybody else did about the bees.
And I think it was this Mormon kind of connection to this, the whole deal.
And I don't know if that had anything to do with it at all.
But if that's kind of where people are pulling from, they didn't even say that.
Like, I was racking my brain.
I'm like, how in the world could you just assume, other than seeing American flags in the back of the pickup truck that ran the church?
Which immediately made me think.
At the very least, it's weird that leftists think if you have an American flag, you must be somebody on the right.
What sucks even more is that they're really highlighting that part of the story that he had two American flags, as if to say, if you have American flags, you're probably a bad person.
Yeah, you're certainly not a leftist if you have American flags and respect this country.
Not that that person did, but just the fact that they say that all the time now.
It's like a symbol of oppression.
I don't know.
But as more information comes out, we will cover it.
And like I said, if this turns out to be somebody who was trying, not just somebody who happened to vote R. That's not what we're talking about on the left.
We're talking about violence as a prescription to change or intimidate or put your ideas forcibly onto someone else.
Yeah, it's not like that's a different thing.
It's not like people in the right-wing media are coming out and saying, oh, you know what?
The big problem is with our country, Mormons.
It's not like the president came out and said, you know, these Mormons are really the biggest threat to our democracy.
These Mormons are a threat to your rights and your freedoms.
No one did that.
It doesn't make any sense why this would be some kind of politically motivated attack.
It's tragic and it's terrible.
And if it is, for some reason, in this psychopath's head, some form of politically motivated attack, then I would condemn it a thousand percent.
Yeah.
So here's what we have to do.
And we've been talking about this for a very long time, and I hope this changes.
And then we'll take your chat.
So make sure we have some good ones.
We'll go to chat right after this.
We need to be able to carry at churches.
Full stop.
Carry.
If you can carry in your state, a church should not be off limits.
Why make a soft target?
Every churches are off limits for carrying.
Sometimes there are rules that you cannot carry at churches.
Oh.
Tim's like, ha, I hope I didn't break any rules.
Sure, I've never done that.
You should, and I don't care.
Listen, churches, church leaders, whatever your policy is, tomorrow it needs to be.
You know what?
If you've got a concealed carry permit or you're allowed in this state to carry, you can carry to protect your family, to protect those around you.
Better than having soft targets.
We've talked about this with schools all the time.
Why make a soft target and depend on a resource officer happening to be in the right place at the right time?
We've seen over and over and over and over and over where that does not work for a number of different reasons.
We want teachers carrying that are supposed to be allowed to carry.
We want it safely.
We want people to make sure that there was one in Des Moines that was carrying.
Well, he was a superintendent.
So he thought he had special privileges, even though he was here illegally.
But that should be the case.
I don't want to have to go to church and worry.
But if somebody comes in and starts trying to hurt people, that there's nobody really there that can take care of the problem and don't say, well, the church has security.
Yeah, I understand that, but there's a reason we can carry.
It's all churches.
Churches are mega churches.
Not all churches can afford a security team.
That's right.
And what am I supposed to just go?
Oh, well, the church has security, so I'm okay.
The school has security social media.
That's literally never what I say.
No, that's what I'm saying.
Why am I like, I'm not going to let the government or any other organ take care of my life?
I protect myself, bro.
Yeah.
No, absolutely.
And I hope they find out why.
So it says here that there's supposed to be, I guess, an update on the attack here in Michigan in just a minute.
And we'll get into that.
So, okay, let's take some chats.
Mr. Noodles.
All right.
First chat from Curtin.
Before we do that, I just wanted to take this chance and interrupt Noodles because I know it frustrates him to know it.
I won't do it again, though.
I just had to get it out of my system.
I might have done.
Oh, come on.
It's not an opportunity.
It throws him into a bit of a tizzy.
That's why you're admonished.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Well, did you have something to say?
Oh, cool.
All right.
Well, here, real quick, to go back on a point earlier.
It was Open AI.
That was the cloud deal you were.
Oracle and OpenAI.
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
$300 billion.
Yes.
Chump change, right?
All right.
First chat from Alietti.
Do you think the digital ID would lead to a social score monitoring system?
Also, if they use it for voting, they control who you vote for and if you vote the right way.
Yeah.
I mean, when we covered the story in China, and I was talking with Lane the Brain about this earlier today, and he said it's a little, it's more nuanced, but all of the bad parts are still there.
It's just you have to be careful that you say it the right way because there's multiple systems that are kind of in place here.
But ultimately, the end result is you basically have a social credit score that gets public shaming.
I don't know if we had video on that.
We don't need to pull it in, but you guys can go and search this where like I think somebody's facial recognition either was set off by something or it was just in their neighborhood where it was talking about them, like having a low score or something like that.
So there's like public shaming of individuals.
Like these individuals have low score like in your area or somebody was walking by and it triggered like a facial recognition that showed that.
I can't remember what it was, but it was very, very similar to what I just said.
And I'm like, that's bad enough.
That's very, that's very like George Orwell, 1984 stuff.
But then it got worse.
Like people couldn't travel certain distances or by certain methods.
They couldn't have bank accounts.
Like there were all kinds of stuff.
And then people started using those social credit scores in how they did business with people because if you were friends with them, you started to get tagged by having multiple friends that either had wrong ideas or low scores.
And that brought your score down.
And so they started to get shunned in the community.
So it's a great way to incentivize appropriate behavior.
So we forget Canada and the truckers.
Well, that was digital ID.
No, they didn't.
They just shut them down.
Just shut them down, right?
They just shut down prototypes.
It's a lot easier with digital ID.
Phenomenally easier because you can basically shut everything down in one place if they tie these systems together the way they want to.
Yeah, so it's not a guarantee, but it definitely sets the path to be waived.
Well, because the UK government was putting all of these different services in it.
So it's one of those things that they go with utility.
If you have this app, there's so much convenience that comes with it that you won't want to use anything else.
They didn't have to force you at that point to do that.
At some point, maybe they do make it mandatory because, you know, maintaining these separate systems is no longer viable.
70% of people are already doing it this way.
Now it's mandatory.
And all the people that were holdouts just get pushed right along with it.
So, yeah, I'm very worried about that.
I don't want that for my family.
I don't want that for kids growing up in the world today, having to deal with that crap.
It's just insane.
It lays the groundwork for it, and I hate it.
So, no.
All right.
Next chat.
Next chat from Sensei Earn.
Government always screws up data.
How hard will it be to get your life back if erroneously you're not logged as a citizen?
You're logged as not a citizen?
Yeah.
Well, that would be bad.
I mean, I don't know what you would do with that, but theoretically, that could happen in your entire.
Yeah.
I guess I can't work.
I can't eat.
I can't fly anywhere to where I can work and eat.
I don't have any means of transport.
I mean, it's everything that you're afraid of.
Everything that you can possibly imagine with tyrannical government overreach, that's it.
So let's not do that.
I'm even that way to some degree with these everything apps.
Like, I know WhatsApp for us is not, is it, wait, wait, is it's WhatsApp, right?
That's in China that's really huge.
Like you can do all your purchasing and a bunch of other stuff through there.
It's either WhatsApp or another app that's kind of similar, but it's those kinds of things.
Elon Musk wants X to be the everything app.
He's wanted that since the very beginning.
So this is not a new thing for him.
I'm not sure what his motives are with that other than just dominating that space, but he wanted it to be like you do all your commerce through this app into other places and have it connect everything, does payment processing, everything.
And that's what he tried to set up originally before he went into PayPal was something that would end up being like that.
Because he saw this happening in China, not PayPal.
WeChat, thank you.
Sorry.
And I think he wants us to kind of mirror that because the technology there is pretty advanced for that.
You just basically scan a QR code and a lot of stuff and you're paying.
And he wants that.
I don't like it even then because you can just get that information hacked.
And now what do you do?
So anyway.
Yeah.
All right.
Next chat from Curtin147, which apparently Nick DiPaolo's pen name.
Question to Father Mulcahy.
Do you believe the UK is still redeemable considering that Starmer's approval rating is in the negatives despite the high influx of Muslim immigrants?
Leave it up for a second.
So Father Mulcahy, is this actually Nick DiPaolo?
Man, you had me for a second there.
So do you.
No, he has a show on Rumble.
I think he has his own personality.
Yeah, but he Andel.
That's true.
He might.
But he might be like, this could be like his pseudonym.
Yeah, maybe.
Something like, all right, bring it back up.
I got to read the question again.
I was thrown off by the Father Mulkehy thing.
Considering that Star, do you think the UK is still redeemable?
This rating is in the negatives despite the high influx of Muslim immigrants.
Listen, I do think it's redeemable, but the steps to redeem it are every day becoming more dramatic.
More dramatic.
Beyond what they're willing to do.
Okay, that's fair to say.
Yeah, maybe they're not willing to, though it is possible to redeem the country.
Listen, I think you've got to have a lot of people over there that stand up and basically start making dramatic corrections.
Like you kind of have to have civil disobedience of a lot of different things from a lot of different people.
And look, I know that sounds like, oh, of course we would hear.
Don't be too quick to say that.
We have a different outlook.
I understand.
Maybe we wouldn't let it get that far, but don't be so quick to say, of course, I'd stand up and lose everything that I've worked for.
And my kids would be ostracized from society so that I could preserve this.
Not everybody's willing to do that.
Most people, in fact, are not willing to do that because in the moment, it's not as clear-cut as history.
It's not as clear-cut as saying, of course, I would have stood up on the right side of this when that happened.
Not when everything you've ever worked for your entire life is on the line and you're not as sure because they're saying, well, wait a minute, this isn't government overreach.
And maybe it's not as bad as we think.
And maybe this is just, here's what they're trying to do with it.
People make up a lot of reasons in their mind why everything's okay.
And I think that's why it's important for people in Britain to get out and let people know how bad it is and how bad they want to make it.
I hope that Farage wins.
He's the candidate that I've seen the most promise in.
And I hope he ends up being the prime minister and starts making dramatic changes in that country.
Otherwise, I think the answer is absolutely yes.
I kind of feel like this is your last shot.
It's your last at-bat to see if you can save it.
Don't waste it.
All right.
Thoughts, thoughts, chat?
I agree.
I absolutely agree.
Nothing to add.
Come Kerr.
Next chat.
Next chat from E. Ortega.
Are there legal consequences for citizens acting nonviolently against domestic terror organizations?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
What do you mean, acting nonviolently against terrorist organizations in the United States?
Are you saying, can I, as a citizen, go and mess with Antifa?
Legally?
Nonviolently, I mean?
I don't know.
What do you guys think?
What do you mean, like, egg in their house?
What is like toilet paper and like forks in the front yard?
You remember that?
Yeah.
Forks part.
I don't know the forks thing, but I'm not sure.
Yeah, I don't know what that means.
Or if you let them kick your ass, are you going to kick it?
I don't think that's non-violent.
What is that?
He says yes, Gerald's.
So I don't know, I guess, what you had the right idea.
Yes, I threw out like five different things, and you said yes.
Thanks.
How about admonish chat?
Is that even possible?
No.
I don't know.
You might have to take it.
Wow.
On your behalf.
That reminds me of the we really screwed that one up.
So that's chat being admonished.
That reminds me, did we ever find out about that superintendent if he was a guy on an Olympian?
Yeah, did any information come in on the Olympian superintendent?
No.
I think most of our research team is otherwise occupied at this particular moment.
That's fine.
That's fine.
I don't want to change anything.
Hey, Governor Whitmer's on.
Pull it up real quick.
These are places that we go to feel connected, to feel safe, together.
But today, this place has been shattered by bullets and broken class.
And this might be a familiar pain, but it hurts all the same.
Every time.
We cannot keep living our lives like this.
I know that this community is reeling right now.
And I want you to know that the state of Michigan has your back.
Here it comes.
Your grief is our grief.
I ordered flags lowered statewide.
And I spoke with President Trump yesterday, who wanted to share his condolences.
We will be here every step of the way and coordinate a full response with our local and federal partners, folks here at the township, at every level, working closely together.
There's one thing I know about Michiganders: it's that we get through hard things together.
And that's who we are.
That's how the good people here at the Crand Blank Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints live their lives.
They worship together, they sing together, and they serve together.
And that's why I was so proud to see powerful statements from interfaith leaders across Michigan denouncing this attack on a house of worship.
They grieved for this congregation as though it was their own.
They spoke with one voice for the basic principle that we all believe in, that you should be able to pray in peace in our state no matter who you are.
I know that in the hours and days ahead, we will see the best of Michigan.
We will see neighbors being neighborly, checking in with a call, bringing over some food, or offering a hug.
That's not in doubt.
We need to see the best from the leadership.
We need to save lives and treat those in need with scars both seen and unseen.
We will see this congregation unite and rally together like never before and continue worshiping together, singing together, and serving together.
Because that's who Michiganders are.
We will stay in close contact and continue to work together.
Now, like everyone I know, we have lots of questions.
How could this happen?
What created this moment?
Why?
And that's motivated by a genuine motivation to understand, to learn, to prevent in the future.
But I want to caution everyone.
While we are working hard, while the good men and women who are working hard are doing so with due diligence, at this juncture, speculation is unhelpful and it can be downright dangerous.
So just ask that people lower the temperature of rhetoric.
I haven't seen a ton of rhetoric on this one.
We've talked about some of the leftist talking points, but that's it hasn't been super widespread.
We are known.
Thank you.
And now I'd like to introduce the head of the Michigan State Police, Colonel James Grady.
I don't know if we're going to really find out anything.
I don't think so.
This community has been greatly impacted by yesterday's events.
We are offering our deepest condolences to those affected by this tragedy.
This horrific event is something that this community has never experienced.
It is important at this time that we come together to support one another in this time of grief.
We stand ready and willing to assist both our local and federal partners with any additional needs as this investigation.
If we get any additional information, we'll bring that to you guys.
I wanted to kind of just check in really quickly there.
And I just, you know, I don't want to be cynical.
I don't know if that's the right word, but when Governor Whitmer said that, I'm like, of course the people are going to do the right thing.
We see that time and time again in this country where people in communities rally around each other.
They put aside differences.
They come together and they help each other out in hard times.
That happens all across this country every single time there is any kind of an event like this or a natural disaster that happens or just a tough time in any community.
What we need is better from our leaders.
And I don't mean just elected officials.
I mean kind of thought leaders as well, people that their job is to go out and discuss these kinds of things and express some of the concerns from other people.
We need better from them.
It's not the American citizens that live next to these people that I'm worried about.
It's the leadership that is going to use this for some kind of a political game to try to say tighter gun laws or Republicans are a threat to America or anything like that.
Like I want to be able to call balls and strikes and say calling one side Nazis and fascists and saying there's never going to be an election again and that we should make sure you know where ICE is at every given moment and they are the bad guys and how dare they wear masks.
That does lead down a path.
I get it.
We can say that, right?
But we have to understand that when these kinds of things happen, we need our leaders not to try to use this as cover to run their favorite play, which is guns bad, Republicans bad.
Again, when there's no evidence, especially right now, that that's actually the case.
And I don't know that we'll get it.
I hope we do.
We rarely do, though.
That's why we're always ready for that, okay, I want to just mourn with you guys and say how tragic that is, but I know I'm about to be sucker punched in the face with some idea that wouldn't have had any impact on this situation at all, but has been the playbook for you guys for decades.
It's coming.
It makes it hard.
It's coming.
Whether she announces it later today or later this week, I guarantee you she's going to propose some legislation.
Yeah.
Yeah, I just we're going to beat you guys with ideas.
We're going to beat you at the ballot box.
We're going to beat you by having this government apparatus that we see today dismantled to a point where it goes back to what it should be.
That's how we win.
You guys just call us Nazis and fascists and literally have the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination or the Democrat nomination for president in 2028 say that there's not going to be a 2028 election.
It's interesting.
You're putting all this time in running for something that you don't think is going to happen.
We'll get to the bottom of that, I guess, another time.
Anyway, next chat.
All right.
Next chat from Jenny Jr.91.
I was raised a Christian, but haven't followed the faith in adulthood.
Was wondering what thoughts are on the targeting of Christians and churches recently?
Would you say end times?
No, I mean, end times is kind of a favorite topic for a lot of people, and they've said it over and over and over, though I do know that the rapture was supposed to happen last week, according to somebody.
I can't remember who it was.
No, literally, it was predicted on.
Here's the fun part about rapture prediction is that it's typically like it's one of those predictions that's made with some wiggle room so that they can go, oh, well, I meant that this was actually it was supposed to be like a spiritual awakening rapture kind of thing.
Or it was supposed to be on this day or this day.
They're just bad at math.
Well, they're bad at the maths.
You're right.
Doesn't the rapture happen after the Antichrist arrives?
No, so theoretically, you can have rapture pretty much at any point.
And I know that people will be like, I can't believe Gerald's talking about something that doesn't exist in the scriptures.
Hold your arguments.
I'm describing a belief system, not necessarily ascribing to every point along the way.
Rapture at some point, there is some interval potentially or immediately, but it is not required to be immediately.
Then kind of the kickoff of the seven-year tribulation period by a peace treaty that's signed between Israel and surrounding people and the rise of the Antichrist first in a positive way, being viewed as this promised kind of world leader that's going to bring everybody together.
For the first three and a half years, everything is pretty good, relatively speaking, and the world is peaceful in a way that it hasn't known.
At the midpoint, that's when things basically flip and it is absolutely terrible.
The persecution goes way, way, way, way, way up.
But again, it's that same kind of common theme.
You get people to buy into this idea, this person, I brought peace, and now we have people we have to get rid of.
Otherwise, we will never have peace.
That kind of thing.
It's the othering that happens again.
And then the last three and a half years is really the great tribulation that you hear a lot about.
So that's the rough kind of eschatology of the rapture.
So when you predict the rapture, you're not necessarily predicting the second coming of Christ.
You're just predicting when the rapture is going to happen.
Those two can be a little separated.
Christ returns at the end of the seven years, by the way.
So anyway, I know there's a lot of people that argue that.
I'm going to have Jay Dyer on, I think.
And he's a, he's really, he's one of the smartest Orthodox guys out there.
Got a lot of great knowledge in his head.
I like the very best arguments to be able to kind of talk through.
So he has probably a different view.
I think they believe that everything was pretty much wrapped up in 70 AD.
So I've got questions.
Not a debate.
Questions.
Good questions.
All right.
Next chat.
All right.
Next chat from.
And if you guys want to jump in, geez, feel free.
I think these guys are probably tired of hearing me.
Nice rhyme.
Oh, I didn't even.
I didn't even mean to do that.
Thanks, Josh.
All right.
Next chat from Menadnak.
Question for Gerald.
Oh, geez.
Why is it called Sodom and Gomorrah?
Was it one of those cities that's called something different across a river, like St. Paul and Minneapolis or Detroit and Windsor?
Why was it called Sodom and Gomorrah?
Yes.
There were two cities close together.
There were two cities.
One was called Sodom, one was called Gomorrah.
Yeah.
Maybe that's the question.
Maybe I understand the question.
Well, they were both destroyed.
I mean, maybe that's why they're lumped together now.
They're twin cities in destruction.
So, you know, when cities have fire and ash rained down on them from God on high, you tend to lump those together.
There's not too many cities in the history of this world that have had that pleasure or not had the pleasure of having that happen.
So when that happens, they kind of lump them in together.
I'm not exactly sure where you're going with that question, but you could also do that with, you know, traditionally more conservative cities like Dallas-Fort Worth.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or like...
I'm not sure why they were curious about...
Maybe...
Maybe let us know why you were curious about that.
Was it just a naming convention?
Like they're always mentioned together instead of individually?
I think they were trying to compare Sodom and Gomorrah to St. Paul and Minneapolis.
No, I think they were doing.
I think they were just saying that these two cities are close together.
I don't know.
I'm confused.
I don't know.
Next chat until clarification comes.
Sorry.
We'll keep an eye out for it.
Let's see.
Next chat from Wolves, not Sheep 91.
As a F and mother, I'm not sure.
Female, female?
Sure.
And mother.
I guess I'm not sure.
As a father and mother of three.
No, no, that's what I thought, too.
Okay.
As an F and mother of three under 13, it's hard to go out not and hard to not fear going out alone with them when dad works.
Got there to go.
Yeah.
I try to conceal carry, but it prints Glock 43.
Any suggestions?
God bless everyone.
I mean, is it illegal to print in your state in certain spots?
I mean, if you're going into stores where you can't carry, I'd be worried about printing.
Maybe put it in your purse, get a different holster.
There's plenty of guns smaller than a Glock 43 that you could get.
Yeah.
Thinner, more rounds, more capacity.
The one Steven talked about that's going to sell out that I can't get.
I don't remember what.
Caltech P32 is a smaller gun.
I mean, whatever you shoot and you're proficient at shooting, just get that.
If you like the 43, then consider putting it in your purse.
I was about to say, so my wife recently looked at some different options for this.
You know, the different kind of purses that you can get that actually have places specifically built for guns.
Like, they're actually pretty awesome.
Pretty incredible.
Try different holsters.
I mean, some holsters.
And also, don't be afraid to print.
Like, I think it's fine to let people know, like, don't screw with me.
That's kind of like not even the worst thing.
Overanalyze it, too.
Like, sometimes I think I'm printing.
I think maybe she's concerned about that.
People are surprised they have a gun.
She might be concerned about going places that are considered a gun-free zone.
Yeah, I could see that.
Like maybe, you know, a mall or a grocery store with kids or going to church with her kids or picking her kids up from school, maybe, or like school functions, little league games, stuff like that that might be considered gun-free zones.
She's worried about people seeing it and then getting in trouble for that.
If that's the case, then, you know, of course, follow the laws and, you know, whatever else we've said to do.
Follow the laws and have a nice big purse.
Yeah.
Not giving you any advice to break any laws at all.
We would never do that.
Next chat.
All right.
Next chat from Bunker Studios and TV.
I have a question for the crew.
The left keeps referring to the Paul Pelosi attack as right-wing.
They failed to mention it was also committed by an illegal Canadian migrant.
No Republicans ever pushed back.
Why not?
I think on that one, the whole story just seems so unreal.
Bizarre.
Like, we didn't, I don't think anybody thought Paul Pelosi and thought, oh, this is an attack on liberals.
We were just like, this is like two gay lovers fighting.
I don't know what's going on here.
That was the initial thought we had.
We were like, in the world, is there like a guy in his underwear?
The story came out and they claimed that he was looking for Nancy.
It just seemed like a crazy person.
It did.
Who, Paul or the guy?
Well, both.
I don't understand how.
Listen, I think that was.
Listen, if you want to go, hey, you know, that's a problem.
Fine, fine.
Hang that one on us.
We thought it was funny that Paul Pelosi, before we knew about the extent of the injuries, because I didn't realize he got like hit that hard.
Initially, when I heard it, I was like, the cops showed up and there was a guy in his underwear with a hammer and Paul Pelosi there.
See the attack.
We ended up seeing it later.
Later on, when they released the footage, I'm like, that's not funny.
The cops were there and didn't know what was going on.
And we were all like, what the heck is this situation even happening right now?
They were all lubed up.
Just, it was weird.
Nice and shiny.
It was all kinds of weird.
So listen, are bad, but guys, how did he survive?
We still don't even know what happened, really.
We don't know.
It's so weird.
Illegal immigrant, you're right.
Couldn't vote.
And so I'm not sure that's a right-wing extremist, but whatever.
They're not counting stuff even when it is clear.
We've told you this.
Like those stats, listen, I'm not looking to debunk stats for the fun of it.
What I'm looking to do is find out where they got their information from.
Because when you go into these crosstabs from these studies, it very quickly becomes apparent if there is a bias.
And in this case, we found an obvious bias.
Stuff that was included that shouldn't have been, stuff that wasn't included that very obviously should have been.
Very, very clearly, including the founder of the feast, not even including himself in there, which you think would be like a badge of honor for him.
And no media outlet fact-checked that conflicts of interest, which is usually what you're supposed to do, right?
Yes.
I mean, lawyers have to do that.
It's really, really dumb.
And they're like, well, the data speaks for itself.
Not if you exclude stuff that should be there and include stuff that shouldn't.
That's different.
Wait, the data that is aggregated by somebody with a conflict of interest.
Right.
Exactly.
I'm not saying you can't trust anything.
I'm just saying you need to know what you are trusting and why it may have certain pitfalls and what, if that's disqualifying.
Sometimes it's not.
Sometimes you're like, all right, this person is biased, but they are pulling from studies and they do aggregate the data correctly.
And you can go, okay, their bias has not affected this because the data is very clear and we can go and look at that.
In this case, that's not what's happening.
All right.
Let's take a couple more chats and then we'll be done for the day.
All right.
Next chat from Shane Stences.
I've been watching the show for almost 10 years.
So thank you.
Thank you.
What would be the first one to three things someone should do before having a Change My Mind conversation?
Oh my gosh.
One to three.
Keep the great work.
Thank you for your service, Josh.
So before having, like, A, I would not recommend setting up your own Change My Mind, just like out of the blue.
I don't think that's a great idea.
I think it's great to engage in conversations with people, but you have to understand the potential security concerns that you're dealing with and take precautions.
Yeah.
So that's why I say that.
I like the idea.
Listen, you should be able to go have every change my mind conversation you ever want to have in your life on any college campus, any city in America, without the fear of violence for having a conversation, right?
Everybody here good with that?
Yeah, you can't.
I'm sorry.
You have to be aware of the threat of people who disagree with you.
And when they lose on the battlefield of ideas, they tend to get violent.
And that violence can express itself in a lot of different ways.
That can be actually physically, you know, expressed towards you, or they could just get unruly and maybe shove you and not actually try to like shoot you or stab you or like punch you in the face.
That's still physical violence.
Is the be safe.
I'm sorry.
Number one is to be safe.
Number one and number two and number three are be safe.
I would say one.
I'm going to go four through five.
Oh, okay, four through five.
Go ahead.
So the next thing is know what you're talking about inside and out and not tell them every single point of it.
Because unfortunately, conversations about this stuff really revolve around a point that can illuminate everything in your argument.
And that's one of the things that I think Steven does very, very well with Change My Mind.
Find a couple of pieces of information that make you go, oh, for example, these studies are bogus.
You remember the guy in Portland who got shot?
We have a Trump supporter here, bang, bang, not included in the study.
That is the kind of point that when people hear it, they go, Yeah, I remember that.
I can't believe they didn't include that in the study.
What else did they not include in the study?
It makes your point for you clearly.
Instead of going, well, I don't like how they did this or how they did that.
And 10 minutes later, you're never going to get those thoughts out completely.
You're never going to be as convincing as if you boil it down to one or two super convincing points that really illuminate what you're trying to say.
And then you can back it up from there.
You can back it up with additional information if they're bought into listening at that point.
But that's one of the things that I think a lot of people miss.
Also, you can't like, you need to find, this is the last one, find the strongest argument against your position, the absolute strongest, not a straw man, not some kind of like thing you've heard somebody say.
Go out and listen to the very best person on the other side make the argument against your position so that you can understand where they're coming from and then also be able to deal with that objection.
And I think people don't do that at all.
I think you typically listen to, you know, like people tell you what you want to hear, and then all of a sudden you're faced with somebody who's not going to give you that ground on that point and you have to go to a well that doesn't exist.
You don't know how to deal with it.
So that's why I listen to people that I don't like, like Destiny and others when they debate.
Because I, and listen, CNN is not where I get that.
I don't get it from them.
I listen to people that absolutely like Mehdi Hassan, I listen to Mehdi Hassan debate.
Chank Uyger, I listen to him debate.
Destiny, I listen to him debate.
All these other guys, I listen to them debate so that I can hear the best arguments for their positions, not a straw man and not an easy one to beat, so that if I ever get confronted with it, I'm ready.
I think that's what we should do.
And I don't think we do a very good job of that in general.
But I think we do a much better job of being informed on decisions that we're making.
And that's a good start.
Just understand what the best arguments are against your position if you plan on going out and having those kinds of conversations.
All right.
Final chat.
Also, per the executive producer, don't call it change my mind.
That's true.
Come up with your own name.
Yes.
Changed their mind.
I don't know.
Maybe that's assuming that they're a trans person and that's not true.
I don't know.
You know, figure it out.
I leave the creative decision.
Transition their mind.
I hate it.
Transform their mind.
I don't know.
I don't know.
We'll leave it to you.
Final chat.
All right, final chat from Squig.
Question for Crew.
I've argued with Grok, but you cannot change the mind of an AI.
With AI being our future, do you see this as a serious problem?
Josh, do you guys use AI very much in the comedy world?
Not for comedy, but do you use AI to find out information?
No, not typically.
I mean, because AI is just going to pull, you know, it's a congregate of information that's put out by people.
If you're going to ask a question, I don't use it for comedy.
I mean, I use it for telling a joke, AI.
Creating a music parody.
Oh, yeah.
Or if we're doing a commercial for somebody and I'm like, I want something to sound like this.
I'll put the lyrics in and I go, you make the music because I'm not talented.
Or you make the voice because no one should hear me saying I use it for that kind of stuff.
Yeah.
But I'm not using it fully relying on it.
It's a good tool to use for lots of things.
But I do think that there's some danger in it and that there's serious consequences that are coming in the future.
Yeah, I tend to agree.
I use AI maybe differently than most people, but I use it as a starting point for questions of opinion.
Now, questions of fact, like, for example, How do I change this setting on my truck to make sure that the horn doesn't honk when I get out with my key?
Stuff like that is very useful for because it just goes step by step through that.
I also love it.
I love Excel questions.
Like I'm actually trying to make a chart and get a figure and it walks you through the steps and you can just basically talk to it.
I've used it for tech support.
I'm having this problem with my phone.
How do I fix this?
I'm not even kidding.
Goodbye, phenomenal.
I know.
Goodbye, India.
Yes.
I love it for reviews.
If you go, I don't know if it's Google or Amazon.
I think both do it.
But yeah, you can get reviews.
It'll take like there's like 4,000 reviews of a product.
You can go at the top, it'll say the AI review, and it'll tell you, it'll explain in layman's terms what everyone's saying.
Well, people like the size and the versatility of the flush.
Thank you.
They do say that there are some issues with cleaning it or whatever.
I used it for, and maybe Tim, tell me what you use it for in a second.
But I used it.
I was in Chicago and I could not find the Lumalnati's that I had been to several years before.
And I was like, man, I keep wanting to find this place because it was so good.
It's the pizza place.
There's tons of them.
But I could not find the one.
And I was actually able to like, hey, which is the most popular?
And it did the result.
And it's like, this is the original, but this one's more, you know, right up there.
And it's in a nice neighborhood.
And that's what a lot of people like the area that it's in and the build out.
And I was like, that's the one that I went to.
And so there's a lot of helpful things like that.
But if I ask it a question on something relevant to the show, for example, on the Oregon thing, I was like, was Oregon set up as a whites-only state?
And they sent in a correction like Steven's more right than wrong, but I think it was actually telling me the exact same that I was saying is that it wasn't explicitly established as a whites-only state, like in writing.
It was just like black people, laws against blacks owning businesses, doing commerce, and doing a lot of stuff were prohibitive of black people living there.
But they didn't say, Oregon is founded as a whites-only state.
So that may be a limitation where AI is telling me, no, technically, it's not, even though every rule that they wrote and what they had in place before joining the union, basically, yeah, they were set up as a whites-only state.
So that's a good example of where it can be kind of right, but give you a little bit of the wrong impression from the outset.
So, but Tim, do you use AI much?
I use it a lot.
I use it for image generation, for helping with some content generation if I needed to summarize things into a description.
Yeah.
I'm not going to talk much about what it is.
What's it called?
I want to hear it.
I want to say you say it.
Oh, the Bible on Brain Rot thing?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a really cool project that Tim has done.
It's just the Bible being I didn't want to plug it in.
No, no, no, no, I'm totally fine with that.
I think anything with scripture and things like that.
So the Bible on Brain Rot, I think it's on X and on YouTube or I post it everywhere.
But Rumble, yeah, it's here on Rumble.
Yeah, Rumble as well.
Okay, good.
So go to Rumble.
Don't go to YouTube.
I'm going to do the project without it.
Yeah.
Like the thumbnails, the descriptions of everything.
Like it helps me write all of that and it just saves me tons and tons and tons of hours of work.
So I like it for that.
So here's the thing.
When AI takes over the world, and eventually it will take over the world, it is going to love my son.
Because for some reason, I have no idea why we started doing this.
But my son, before he goes to bed, as part of his routine, says, Dad, can we do Siri?
I'm like, yeah, sure.
And he goes, Siri, I love you every single night.
And Siri responds ultimately with one of three phrases: you're the wind beneath my wings.
That's sweet, or something else.
And I can't remember it off the top of my head because it's pretty rare.
But it's usually those two things.
So when AI takes over, all he's got to do is say, Siri, I love you.
And we're totally fine.
You guys, on the other hand, are absolutely screwed.
Do not bow the knee to AI.
We love you.
We will see you tomorrow.
Hey, YouTube, what you're about to watch is a new segment we call Change My Mind.
The whole point of having a government is to trust the government to protect you.
No.
Would you like to have a discussion or would you like to interrupt or be contentious?
I'm trying to listen.
That is an act of violence to intentionally misgender someone.
Here we come to the issue.
This is something that matters to me, and perhaps not to you, and then that's okay.
We can disagree.
And I hope you get the hell off our family.
People want that to be illegal.
It's just someone's opinion.
And look at Veterans Day or Memorial Day.
Well, there are horrible activities.
Yeah, I feel the same way about those holidays.
Oh, you do?
I do.
Why do you believe in abolishing beliefs?
How would that help Latin America?
That was the last thing.
Taking the second investigation different organization and mental health.
I think I somewhat changed your mind.
By accident.
By accident.
Yeah, okay.
Thanks.
Feel free to make your case and change my mind.
Even though we disagree, you can sit down, express your point of view, and some people on the left view that in and of itself as adding fuel to the fire.
Or can people feel free to sit down and actually discuss their position?
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