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The arrows.
Somebody said something about the arrows earlier.
The arrows one is the one that I'm most uh interested in finding out the connection.
Somebody in the office earlier said it was like a in reference to a video game.
It seems like a video game code.
Like uh it's not this on my foot.
Is that how you get the jet ski and grand theft auto?
Yeah, well what what are the arrows?
Uh uh they said it was upright down down.
We're getting they're saying it's probably a reference to a song from Helldivers 2.
So I'm not sure I'll have to look into that.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
I'm not uh Dio's B side.
Oh.
Heard that game sucks.
All right.
All right, let's let's grab some chats.
All right, uh I have two that are basically asking the same thing.
So BM Lemon 4 asks how do we interact with the this close those close to us that have these evil opinions?
Family and then uh JB Johnston 1.
My sister is very liberal.
She truly is a good mother and sister, but how do I have a relationship with her after this shooting in which she shows no empathy or care?
Okay, two different questions.
First one, you can always have a relationship with family is different from friends.
Okay.
You can choose your friends, you can't choose your family.
I would say choose your friends very wisely.
And yes, you can have acquaintances, you can have colleagues with whom you are friendly.
I would not allow anyone on today's left in my close circle of advisors or trusted counsel.
With kinds of friends when I say friend, it means someone I trust.
That's a very limited list.
So I wouldn't have friends on the left that I choose.
Doesn't mean you have to be unfriendly.
You can't choose family.
So the first question uh if it comes up and you can, you know, you see some ground where you can change a mind or maybe make an impression, do so and then know when to keep your distance.
Um for the first question.
The second one, if you were saying that your sister is actively showing no empathy, the Charlie Kirk shooting, um I'd be very concerned.
I'd be very concerned, and I would treat that family member like you would treat an addict.
Someone who you love, but you don't trust.
Because that's that's a character sign.
That's a that's I mean, I don't want to I'm not diagnosing, but that's like a sociopath.
Someone who sees that and doesn't have empathy.
Uh that's that's different from a different opinion.
If she's shown you who she is, yeah, I don't have empathy for this when kids are without their father, when a wife lost a husband, when a guy was blown away for expressing an opinion.
That means that on some level she's okay with it.
And that means that on some level she's okay with it ever happening to anyone.
She might not want it to happen to you because you're her brother.
Uh but outside of that doesn't seem like she uh relates to human beings on a human level.
I'll tell you this, I would I mean we reference the I I I I was good uh uh Hassan.
You know, he's actively trying to subvert the truth and destroy the credibility of people here.
Um and he said some from what I recall pretty pretty hateful things, and I don't mean like jokes, like actual hate actually hateful things.
I don't know if he has a wife or kids.
I don't believe that he does.
Um but still, if if he were ever, God forbid, killed, I wouldn't lionize him and lie to you and say, like, oh, actually he had uh you know, we did we had a lot of conquer.
No, we don't.
Of course I would feel terrible.
He doesn't deserve to be killed.
Happened to Brian Stelter.
I would feel awful.
It doesn't mean that I agree with him anymore, and it doesn't mean that while people are alive who actively oppose what is good, um, that I won't fight them with every fiber of my being.
I don't I don't want those people.
I don't want those people dead.
How could I not feel awful?
That's a that's a really big red flag to me, and I would keep them at a distance.
I would keep that person love them from afar.
Just like I've had addicts in my family, in my circle of friends who have tried to help, and there are some who recover, absolutely, there are some where it's a fruitless endeavor, and they will take you with them, and they are not someone you can trust.
They are a liability, they will turn on you, they will harm members of your family, and so you have to go, hey, I love them from afar, but I'm not going to get too close to them because I have to protect those who I'm responsible for, my family.
I'd be very, very careful with someone who doesn't have empathy in a situation like this.
That's my answer.
I don't know if anyone here disagrees, but uh next yeah.
And th they did give the uh the info on the arrows.
Yeah, it's a hell divers thing, basically.
It's a button combo, large destructive amount that destroys everything within range.
So it's just a kill everything.
Okay.
Gotcha.
Thank you.
All right.
Makes sense.
Let's grab a couple more chats and then we're gonna be leaving.
Okay.
Uh Forthright Films asks question for the crew.
Does the excited response regarding the assassination from so many reinforce that there is in us versus them?
I keep coming back to that being the case.
That is my belief.
That's how it feels.
I know people don't like it.
I know people say that, hey, I'm, you know, you're stoking the flames if you say that is my belief.
We are not just disagreeing over taxes.
This is not uh this is not Reagan Mondale.
This is when I mean, before you get to the terrorist act of murder in cold blood of Charlie Kirk, before you there's so much more that people don't see that shows you how much these people revile you, calling you a Nazi is part of it, calling you a fascist is part of it, wanting your speech banned is part of it from all public platforms.
That's part of it, claiming that white conservatives uh conservative males are the biggest threat to democracy in the the biggest segment of domestic terrorists which is a lie.
That's part of it.
Saying that investigative journalists who are doing the job that legacy media refuses to do in telling you the truth with a perfect record, telling you to not believe.
Everyone here, that's a big part of it.
Because it shows that they're willing to lie.
They are willing to lie in order to whatever they view as win.
We didn't lie.
You may disagree with it.
We we've never lied on any of those stories.
You may not like it.
We've never lied.
The response has always been lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, I've told this story for people who are new.
I know there are a lot of new members.
I will tell you again.
Andrew Breitbart was persona non grata from the cowards at Fox News, who again, when Andrew Breitbart died, they lionized him too, right?
He took part with uh James O'Keefe and back then Hannah Giles, the acorn story.
Um, and that broke and it was really big.
Then there was a story about a woman named Shirley Sherrod, who was a head of some agricultural department, and he ran a clip, and the clip was her talking about how she didn't help a white farmer uh compared to a black farmer.
And the audience, I believe it was the NAACP clapped.
And Andrew Breitbart uploaded this entire clip.
And in the subheading on the website, it said, Now, I want you to note that later on in this video, she says that her humanity got the better of her, and she realized it wasn't about black versus white, but about, you know, uh those who have and those who have not.
He said, but that doesn't change the reaction of the NAACP and the crowd.
That's what stood out to me.
That they cheered the racist statement itself in isolation before the redemption.
Well, Bill O'Reilly goes on air.
And I believe Glenn Beck back then as well.
They were really tight.
Um, and they run the clip.
First thing I didn't help the white farmer and the audience cheering.
And they go out and say, This is horrible, and we can't have this.
And then what happens is the left goes, Andrew Breitbart lied.
He didn't show she said that she she learned and she was no longer racist.
Andrew Breitbart lied in to save their own ass, Bill O'Reilly, and people at Fox News said, Oh, this is the kind of gotcha journalism we don't want.
And they banned him for I want to say at least a year and a half, two years.
And then when the Anthony Wiener scandal came out, no one stood in Andrew's corner.
Even though he didn't screw up, someone else did.
The media said he was a liar, and people believe it anyway.
Anthony Wiener, the dick pics with all the it went out.
Huge liability for a senator.
Andrew Breitbart said, I have these pictures.
I I've come across these pictures.
And the media said this is a lie.
I remember Alec Baldwin, quote, saying, This has something, a whiff de Breitbart.
As though he had no credibility.
Anthony Wiener was at a hotel, I believe in Washington, DC.
I could be wrong about that.
About to take the Deis, because the media had carried his water and already said that it was a lie, it was discredited, and it wasn't true.
And he was about to go out and say in these slanderous lies from this obviously, I mean, this journalist journalist with no credibility.
Andrew Breitbart took the podium.
And people there would tell you told you that in the hallway, someone yelled, Breitbart's in the building!
Breitbart's in the building.
And people ran to try and stop him.
And he went up there and he said, I have been the victim of, I can't not do the impression I spent so much time on this.
I've been the victim of slander, of malignment, of defamation for months, and I've done nothing but tell the truth.
And I have the pictures, and for the sake of his family, I don't want to release these.
But it is true, and you have attacked me and made the public believe that I was a liar, and he demanded an apology.
And everyone in that room who was prepared to destroy his name again, including Wiener, who had, I believe, a speech prepared.
Changed their tune, and Anthony Wiener came out and apologized.
That's what we live under.
And you're gonna tell me that those people who did that, they're not thinking of it as us versus them.
The people who said that our leaks, you know, when we did the Nashville Manifesto, the MNPD said they were going to sue us and the FBI was going to investigate us.
Remember, they said remember Lynn, they said it was false.
It was not legitimate.
That was the first approach.
And then they said, okay, it is, but this is for the sake of the family.
And then they said, Yeah, but this stokes hatred.
So we need to find out.
And what do they say?
For the good of the families.
Well, did they ask all the families?
No.
The same thing with the bullet engravings.
I cannot stress this enough.
People here yesterday leaking that memo.
The shooter was still out there.
And so are the Kirks.
So are the so the rest of the Kirk family.
Don't you think knowing the motivation might be important in keeping people safe?
Don't you think that maybe if someone was thinking of doing a change of mind or approved me wrong or going out and taping at a uh an LGBTQ AI protest or a trans day of vengeance, don't you think that information would have been useful if they knew that the shooter was still out there and that these engravings made it pretty clear as to what the motivation was and who could be on a hit list.
It's not a victimless crime to lie about that.
Whether it's Hassan or the New York Times or whoever, how many publications?
Twitter X-profile here, in certain that's not a victimless crime.
The job of journalists is to give people information so that they can make better decisions, and certainly as it relates to saving their lives, you want to tell me that they don't believe it's us versus them.
What we can't have is one side living an us versus them mentality and us say, hey, let's just be peaceful.
Peace is not a one-way street.
It's a two-lane freeway with no median.
And if the person on that uh on the other side of that freeway, if the person going that other direction decides that he wants to collide with you, he's going to.
You need to know if that's their mindset.
If you just say, no, no, no, peace, peace, peace, peace, peace, and someone else is thinking, what kind of damage can I do?
You can never win that.
They show you that it's us versus them.
That's my and that is my belief.
We are not all the same.
Not in America right now.
That's just, I speak for myself on that one.
I I think you actually speak for a lot of people because I I talk with Gerald about this a lot because he tries to be, for lack of a better term, the good guy.
He wants to be rational and objective and adhere to the values of our Constitution.
And I get that, and you should 100%.
But I I woke up more so after the Irina Zarutsky killing.
Yeah.
And seeing the reaction to that, and that one, you know, really messed me up for some reason.
It's because I hated seeing somebody die completely alone.
Yeah.
That should never have had to.
And then Charlie, I was almost numb because it's like at this point, I wake up and I have to kind of reperceive the world I'm in, because you know John Adams said that the Constitution was meant for immoral and religious people.
Right.
Which that doesn't imply that we're all Christian, but it does imply that in the United States, there's a baseline understanding of agreement that we all share.
Right.
And only with that baseline understanding can we then have our disagreements.
So I woke up thinking, man, for the last year I've been, you know, shitting on Tucker Carlson for his takes on Pearl Harbor, or I hate maybe I think Matt Walsh is a little weird on the dating, or even someone is revival like that I don't like as Nick Fuentes in almost every way.
I realized that I don't really care about that anymore because I know I could live in the same neighborhood with those people and they wouldn't want to kill me.
Right.
We would have disagreements over a lot, but we'd probably have really nice kept yards and could have a back barbecue together.
Yeah.
I cannot have that with these other people.
And so until we reset that baseline, and I'm not the one to answer how we reset that.
But it has to be reset until we can go along playing politics as usual, because that's not the world in the America we live in right now, unfortunately, and it's because of one side kind of reneging on their portion of the social contract.
Yeah.
No, that's a that's a very good way to put it.
And um, it used to be like, okay, you were concerned about radical Islamists.
We all know after COVID, and and you know, after just a couple of change of minds, because we really we don't, we haven't been doing them for a long while.
You saw that people would rat you out and people would gladly watch you get hurt because of your political beliefs.
A huge, too big of a portion of the left.
Not all, but too big of a portion.
Well, radical Islamists are a big part of that now, apparently, in Minneapolis and New York and all these other places.
So it's all one ilk.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's it's uh and you know what the big thing too is is is Zarutska and in Charlie Kirk, um, because I don't want Zaruska to be forgotten, and that's not to say that one is more important than the other, but that's the reason that this is a a flash point, is uh it's different from let's just say uh a random mass shooting or event.
Both of these were entirely preventable uh events that were commandeered by the left's policies.
What I mean by that is Zarutzka 14 times caught.
The reason that that death occurred, that she died in public but alone.
She died completely alone in public is because of the policies of cashless bailouts, the IOU release policy is a soft on crime policy, which is the direct result of Black Lives Matter and people being afraid to enforce justice.
And Charlie Kirk, anyone who tells you that a violent outcome, maybe not this extreme, but a violent outcome is not the most likely and predictable outcome to years of slanderous campaigns of propagandizing people in this country into believing that he is a Nazi, a fascist, and wants to harm you and commit genocide and an extremist, and he's radicalizing your youth.
Anyone who says that that was not that this was not a strong possibility and predictable is lying to you, is lying to you.
And I don't mean predictable in that day in that rooftop and that balcony.
I mean this temperature, and now they want it to be on you to let cooler heads prevail.
Well, put that genie back in the bottle, make sure that everyone knows no one here is a Nazi or a fascist, and no one here is advocating genocide, and no one here is xenophobic, racist, homophobic because we have different opinions.
Make sure every single person you have radicalized knows that, and then we can talk about about it not being us versus them.
But the left, and not all, but too much.
Too much of the left have put us in a constant position of having to defend our lives and the lives of our families.
Can't tell you how many times, right?
Change my mind.
I don't know if we've ever run these publicly because we often with change of mind like the in between when people are setting up, you know, you sign your stuff.
You you guys always see the conversations, and those conversations are not edited.
How many times sometimes someone who's a smug liberal goes, uh, doesn't this seem a little much when you have security?
Oh, well, you do what?
Uh delusions of grandeur much.
Well, is it bother you that I'm taking precaution?
Yeah.
Like got in the way of your plan.
Is that it's a way of guilting you into taking safety measures so that you're more exposed.
Well, they don't want to believe their side is subject to producing that kind of environment either.
It's a cognitive dissonance that they have.
I think sometimes, I think sometimes the people who say it are the people who reach for rocks and throw a milkshake.
Yeah, well, yes, I think they like to think of themselves as being nice to fascists.
Yeah.
And it's not.
It feels like them versus us.
Yeah.
Is what it feels like.
If you look at a defensive stance, we're being hunted.
Charlie Kirk was hunted.
Charlie Kirk was hunted.
When we had someone post out an APB, when we did go firebomb the car and slash the tires.
These things have happened.
We were being hunted.
Only when we we don't do this anymore.
Remember the crowd of confronts?
Remember we did it?
And the person who said, slash the tires, firebomb the car.
I think there might have been two separate instances.
Everyone around them said, oh, come on, you're fine.
You're a big guy.
Look, it's just a tranny at Juice Land.
Or look, it's just a no one, you think it matters if it's some small girl who posts, hey, here's the car.
Go hit it with a Molotov cocktail.
You think you think my issue is that that person may not be that much of a physical threat.
It's the call to everyone else out there and the propaganda.
Dozens of times, dozens of times.
The millions that have to be spent.
It goes back to the college campuses thing.
You've talked about it before, where it's they, you know, they they preach this everything is is a binary oppressor and oppressed.
Except them.
They're non-binary.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
They're non-binary.
And it's oppressor or oppressed, and they feel like they're the oppressed.
Uh I know it's not the entire left.
Everybody on the, I get that.
Uh, but there are the radical few that are too many.
They believe that they are oppressed, and people like Charlie Kirk and Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro and Tim Poole are the oppressor in some way.
Yep.
And they feel justified.
Yeah.
It doesn't feel like assault.
It feels like a resistance of some sort.
Some ridiculous delusion.
Yeah.
Uh in their head where they think that they're some kind of they're the resistance.
Yeah.
It doesn't, yeah.
And the SS is on their streets.
They believe themselves to be the Luke Skywalkers.
They believe themselves to be the ones standing up against this empire when they don't see that they're being manipulated by it in the first place.
Yeah.
You are that empire.
Well, I believe that the empire, let's let's let's actually let's do a tally here.
When I talk about the evil, okay.
Let me make the case.
If we're using the Star Wars analogy, which I don't like, you're welcome.
I believe the empire is coming is the side that has had complete control over all media.
What do I mean by that?
ABC, NBC, CBS, C, and N uh, M SNBC, C N B C, Viacom, Disney, Universal, YouTube, Google, Alphabet, Meta, up until recently,
Twitter, X, Apple, Microsoft, College, the institution of higher education, the institution of Hollywood public schools, intelligence agencies who have leaned very far left for a long time, and persecuted people because of political persuasions of the IRS, okay?
And the entire DNC who supports all of these views and has accused people like me and Charlie Kirk of being fascists and Nazis and extremists.
So that's what I believe is the empire.
Every single institution, media, Hollywood, government, public education.
They think the empire is a guy at a table with a YouTube channel.
And then if they move, then they want to do away with rumble.
You can add Diaggio to the empire.
Try and put rumble under their thumb.
Hey, we're involved with 90% of the world's advertising.
If you don't remove Stephen Crowder, we're gonna make sure you can't make any revenue.
So that's their empire, and they believe they're fighting, they're the resistance because they would say now a Republican president.
Okay.
It's not always the case.
That one goes back and forth.
The others that I've pointed out to you have been set in stone since the middle of the 20th century.
It has not changed.
Media, higher education, public education.
As big tech has emerged, all of it left.
Well, where's the proof?
Meta, 98 was it, 99% of employee donations, left.
Same thing with Google, YouTube alphabet, same thing when you go to these media outlets.
Also, you can add New York Times, Washington Post, Rolling Stone just wrote a whole hit piece yesterday.
All of it.
That's the empire.
It's not changed.
I'll be really generous.
Since 1960, the educational establishments became more liberal, I would say, in the 60s and 70s.
You say, because there's a Republican president now?
The funniest thing to me is when it was like the late 90s, early 2000s, I would always go, Fox News, Fox News, Fox News.
Yeah, okay.
First off, Fox News are Nambi Pamby moderates.
They're not like me.
I'm a little more aggressive.
But even then, okay, Fox News, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNBC, MSNBC, CNN, but crying out loud.
Yeah, they covered PBS, the PS.
Yeah, PBS, NPR, CBC in Canada, BBC.
That's the resistance.
Yeah.
That's the resistance.
The resistance, the one who wanna, the one the one who want to take your kids and control your kids, the ones that want to silence religion.
Yes.
That's the resistance.
So who is actually the resistance?
I will tell you this.
These people, people who the man, whatever, Z piece of shit who shot Charlie Kirk in an act of terrorism is a predator.
And there are more out there.
And there are going to be a lot more out there.
We are seeing the results of radicalization, not from the right, but from the left.
And this has been a drip for a while.
And uh and I and I hold the mainstream left firmly accountable, and I hold them even more accountable in the wake of the reactions the last couple of days.
I really do.
Final chat.
All right, final chat from that fine fellow.
Oh.
I'll be with it to that.
Question.
Since this was an act of terrorism target targeting civil discourse, and I hate anyone who says otherwise, will this finally get Antifa labeled a terrorist organization?
Well, the problem is we don't know if this person had an association with Antifa and the other problem is that I believe was it Ray, I believe it was Chris Fray who said, Yeah, Antifa's not an organization so much as an idea.
Oh, that's another one.
Remember when we went to Chaz and the John Browning Socialist Gun Club chased our people out trying to murder them?
Do you remember that?
That was all live on air.
But see, the thing is, until someone gets their head blown off, people go, you're fine.
No, attempted murder is fine.
Yeah.
You get no bail for that.
Right.
You didn't actually do it.
Right.
Or as Jasmine Crockett would say, has said, did say recently, the police aren't there to prevent crime.
Right.
They're there to solve crime.
They fault you for taking measures beforehand.
Isn't this a bit much?
Do you need the riot control?
And then they fault you for the measures that worked when it's an attempted assassination.
Looks to me like you're fine.
Why?
I would never, just to be clear, if there was a liberal out there who had a flak jacket and was surrounded by security, it would never occur to me to think, isn't this a bit much?
It couldn't be less of my why would I want him to not have security?
It affects me zero.
There's maybe some of there that I don't know about.
They don't think that way.
They don't say it about rappers on stage with a bulletproof vest.
Yeah.
But we don't think that way.
We don't think that way.
If if if uh if the MSNBC lineup, if I saw them walking down the streets in New York and they were surrounded by security, I wouldn't think twice.
I certainly wouldn't chastise them for it.
And you have to ask why.
Why?
Because we see this all the time.
Oh, yeah, you gotta have security guards.
Yes.
Tough guy.
Well, couple of things.
First off, I can't stop a bullet.
Yeah, come on, tough guy.
Second, they're here to protect you.
They're here to protect you.
If it's just physical, hand to hand, where you start shoving and you start rattling the table.
They're here to keep my temper in line.
Where I don't handle you the way I would treat every other person in a civilian interaction if they acted like you do.
Take that into consideration.
If they're not there asking you to leave when you start screaming, when you start throwing shit, ask yourself this.
If I was at a restaurant, if I wasn't famous with my family or my friends, and you came up to my table and started screaming in my face, and I asked you to stop, and you flip the chair.
Best you can hope for is waking up wondering what happened.
They're there to protect the left because they act like children.
Just like a babysitter is there to protect the children.
There to protect, have give me, give me some eyes and ears on anyone who has a gun because, and I won't be told I'm a pussy.
I'm not Superman, and neither is Charlie Kirk.
That's another thing they do.
Oh, cowardly.
Yeah, you need a gun because you're a bitch.
Um what?
Yeah, I'm not a tough guy, I'm a survivor.
Yeah.
I don't care.
Yeah.
But outside of that, the physical altercations?
Thank God.
You should thank God that they are there.
To make sure that you aren't treated by someone like me the way anyone else in a civilian setting would be treated.
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