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On Piers Morgan.
Konstantin Kissen.
It's Kissen.
I don't know why I said Kaz.
Sorry, I thought it was his first name.
Constantine Kissen.
It's a weird name.
He basically made the argument that Netanyahu's been saying this, or essentially Israel has been saying this for the better part of 30 years, maybe 25 years, is what he used, but I think it's probably 30, 35 years that he was saying.
And he said, was he wrong or was he lying?
He gave you two options, essentially.
And he said, it's more likely that he was lying the entire time.
And the implication that Dave is saying is that we have been lied to this entire time, that Iran really never has been close to a bomb.
But every time Israel wants us to go over there and try to take this threat, perceived threat out for them, they just say the magic words for us, which is they're going to have a bomb and you guys better go and take these guys out.
And many, many, many people have made the point.
Like, listen, what do you, what do you like?
So do me a favor.
Do me a favor.
Dave Smith.
Anybody else out there want to do this?
Fine.
Maybe this is homework you'll never see that was assigned to him.
Go out there and put all of those claims on a timeline.
And then go out there and put all of the strikes, all of the scientists killed, all of the centrifuges that magically spun too fast and blew up, all of the fires, all of the intelligence taken away, all of the cyber warfare that has occurred on that same timeline and see if you can maybe make sense that maybe it wasn't just lying.
Maybe it was steps taken along the way to make sure that the bomb stayed just out of reach for Iran.
And when I say bomb, I mean the material to be able to make a bomb.
I know there's a little bit of a lag there and you'll probably focus only on that.
Maybe some personal accountability here is in order for you, Dave Smith.
Because you're making it sound like that's the only possibility that Netanyahu is just this lying warmonger who's going to drag America into yet another war.
You're wrong.
You're wrong.
And you're not even giving any kind of credence to the possibility that the actions of the United States and Israel over those 30 years have kept the world from having a nuclear-armed Iran.
How about this?
You're welcome.
Certainly you wouldn't have advocated for this.
Under your assumptions, we could just say that Israel is lying every single time and hope for the best with Iran.
And to make it very clear, nobody on the show, including yourself, including Stephen, and including me, has said that Israel should preoccupy some sort of special veneration in our hearts.
They are a country like any other.
And I've made the case many times that they are far down the list on the ranking of important allies that we have.
I do that quite frequently.
Well, because you have a special place in your heart for Japan, Korea, Taiwan.
There's also about half the world's GDP in the Middle East.
That's true.
They made that, what was it, like 5% of the world's GDP in the Middle East or something like that?
And yeah, maybe we should be focused a little bit more on Asia.
I'll give you that.
Pivot.
Pivot?
But I just don't understand when you look at it.
They'll make this argument over and over and over.
But then when someone brings up the United Nations body that you are putting all of your eggs into to say Iraq did not have WMDs said that they found uranium enriched at over 83% in 2023.
No one can explain to me what they were going to do with 83% enriched uranium unless they plan to.
Dave Smith can.
Dave Smith can.
So what Dave Smith said is that they were only using that for negotiations.
Oh, as a latent nuclear deterrent.
Yes.
Yeah.
You find that under retard in the dictionary.
That's about how much sense that makes.
Retard alone.
I have all the components of a gun.
Actually, I have all the components of a bomb in my house.
It's not made yet, and I can't blow anything up.
As my neighbor, how should you react to that?
I should, especially if you've said you want to kill me by blowing me up over and over and over throughout history.
Maybe I'll try to intercept your FedEx packages or something like that.
I'm not sure you can put that stuff in FedEx, but if you could, I would intercept it.
And thanks a lot, Tim.
And by the way, guys, we want to take a lot of your chat today and really talk through this.
So we wanted to hear from you.
So make sure you're sending in your chats related to this topic and what we've covered today.
And look, if you disagree with us, that's fine.
I want to make the point that we've made several times on this show.
Again, you aren't just in one of two camps.
You're either an Israel shill or you're a Nazi.
That's not true.
Like Ian Carroll and Candace Owens and the other people that are kind of calling out stuff in Israel are not Nazis for calling out bad acts by Israel.
When they try to loop all of these things together and form some kind of a conspiracy, it starts to like the Jews being behind 9-11.
I'm sorry, guys.
You've shown zero evidence of that actually being true.
Zero evidence.
It's one of the most far out, fantastical things that I've ever heard in my life.
Even after watching the video that Candace Owens did on it, I still look at it and go, wait, what?
Like maybe you can fine, if you want to have a suspicion, okay, but what are they over there with an acne plunger guys?
But then they'll turn around and share the letter from Osama bin Laden, that was public guardian, and say, look, see, Osama had a point.
Okay, did Osama have a point and blow up the World Trade Center or did the Jews do it?
Because the only reason you would hold both those views as true at the same time is because you really don't like the idea of America.
Right.
Trick question.
Osama bin Laden was Jewish.
He also wore a catio.
He had that yarmulke in the hair.
A lot of people don't know that.
Yeah.
Yep.
Well, that's good to know now.
Now I know why this all started.
But you.
Yeah, thank you.
Yeah, you're welcome.
It's helpful.
It's actually soothing music.
It makes me less angry, and I appreciate that.
But you can actually hold the view that it's fine to call out Israel.
It's fine to say that they should have people inspecting their weapons.
I don't know, just like every other country that has nuclear weapons on the planet.
And that's not a controversial take, by the way.
I got a little flack from my favorite author about that the other day.
I was like, listen, you're taking this out of context.
Of course Israel should allow, unless there's some argument that you could make that I've never even considered.
I mean, I'd be willing to listen, but I'm 99.99% sure my answer is going to be the same.
Afterwards.
But no matter what you say, they should absolutely have inspections in Israel.
They need to get their ass in gear and start learning who is responsible for their survival.
Yeah.
Because the way they treat us is not how we need to be treated in the Israel.
No.
And we're sending way too much money over there.
100% agree with that.
So you can call them out.
On the other side of it, though, just because you say that you're okay with Israel taking stuff into their own hands and going in and striking Iran when they feel threatened by these guys that say death to America, death, and they have been lobbying rockets and funding terrorist cells, seven different syndicates or networks of terrorism around them for decades?
Like, in what world are you living in where Iran is just this neutral, benevolent actor sitting over there to be trusted?
I don't think that that's even remotely possible.
You can be in the middle and say, Israel, get your act together.
You don't know what the F you're doing, according to Donald Trump, which I don't usually use profanity, but I think that was a very good use of the F words.
Probably one of the best kind of encapsulations of this entire conflict that I've heard.
And you can also say, hey, you know what?
We can't let these guys have nukes.
Period, done.
It's a very easy position to hold.
But right now, it's polarized.
And it's polarized because these people over there are spinning these fantastical theories together.
And look, I will make this point too.
The people that right now are saying that you're a Nazi, you're anti-Semitic, that's like the new racist for people as well.
It's being way overused on people who are just saying, hey, I don't like XYZ.
But listen, don't try to hide behind that when you are actually anti-Semitic, when you actually just do not like the Jews.
Just admit it.
It's fine for you to hold that opinion.
I disagree with it.
I don't think it's a good thing to do ever.
But at the same time, you have a right to do it.
Just admit it.
But don't sit there and call everybody who questions Israel an anti-Semite because it's not true.
All right.
Let's take some chats really quickly unless we have those videos.
Do we have a few things to catch up on?
There are some things from Trump that we could pull up depending on.
You want to start with the truth or a video?
Let's start with, let's do a video first.
I think we have the video of him talking about regime change, right?
Yep.
Yeah.
29-second video.
Here we go.
Want to see regime change in Iran?
If there was, there was.
But no, I don't want it.
I'd like to see everything calm down as quickly as possible.
Regime change takes chaos.
And ideally, we don't want to see so much chaos.
So we'll see how it does.
You know, the Iranians are very good traders, very good business people, and they got a lot of oil.
They should be fine.
They should be able to rebuild and do a good job.
They're never going to have nuclear, but other than that, they should do a great job.
I like the, there is a bit of ambiguity here because he is talking about making Iran great again.
He put out a post saying, or truth, saying that I think that he did kind of call for regime change or pretty clearly, kind of said he would support it, but he supported it from this perspective, that the people of Iran should rise up and demand better from their leadership, not that the United States or Israel should go in and overthrow the Ayatollah.
And I don't want to prescribe him playing 8D chess or something, but the moment in which he issued that statement turns out to have been very strategic because Iran was at its lowest point.
It had no strength.
So why not throw on the idea of, you know, maybe we will support a regime change?
How are the mullahs supposed to respond to that?
Right.
Because there's no way if we wanted to go in and make sure that the Ayatollah wasn't in power tomorrow, we could do it like that.
Deposing Saddam Hussein was not the problem.
It was rebuilding afterwards.
So the mullahs know if we want to get them out, we can get them out.
So maybe we should chill a little bit.
That's my thoughts on it.
All right.
What's his truth post that I need to hit?
Following up on the oil comments there, do you have that one on China?
Yeah.
China can now continue to purchase oil from Iran.
Hopefully they will be purchasing plenty from the U.S. also.
It was my great honor to make this happen.
I love how he takes credit for everything.
And then also in this one, I'm glad that he didn't say Donald J. Trump President of the United States.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Those are his calling cards right now when he's trying to make a point, it seems.
It's like his all caps.
Remember who I am.
I know the account says it.
I can't do Trump's voice nearly.
It's like his school announcement.
Today we will have recess all day.
Yep.
And me low for lunch.
This is your leader.
I have spoken.
Naked Zoe.
So what do you think about the oil thing?
Well, it's not like China wasn't purchasing oil from Iran.
They get 50% of their oil from the strait, but not from Iran.
I don't know.
20% was coming from Iran.
None officially was coming from Iran, but about a 50%.
Oh, that's right.
Didn't they actually do it through a third party?
Yeah, they'd always go through something else.
But it was about 20%.
And then all of Iran's exports were going to China.
So they were drastically dependent upon that.
I don't know.
Anything we can do to hamstring China, I would appreciate.
But at the same time, you don't want to try to bring the Iranians back to the table and say, well, you can't send oil to your biggest partner.
So it's a little bit of a fine line he has to walk right now.
Yeah.
And I mean, look, this is part of, I don't know, Trump's negotiating tactic.
I don't think he wants somebody to completely lose either, right?
If you have somebody who's just completely dominated, you're pushing for regime change, you're not letting them rebuild their economy, you're continuing with harsh sanctions on these guys that are above and beyond, then potentially you could drive them into the hands of people that you don't want them to be in business with, right?
So that was one of the fears with Russia is that if you do too much to them to sanction them, that they'll just align more with China.
And that's an alliance that we really don't want to get off the ground because naturally it should never happen to the degree of like military cooperation.
It probably won't naturally happen on its own.
China may see them as a weak neighbor that they can just take from, but you don't want these guys kind of teaming up.
And so that's the same thing with Iran.
We don't want to drive them into the end, into the hands of somebody else.
And so I think it's fine to look at it and say, maybe that's the play here.
Maybe the play here is to kind of like, hey, we've got everybody neutral corners.
We've taken out what we said we wanted to take out.
We're done.
You're done.
We're done.
Now, why don't you get back to the business of rebuilding your country and making it great for the people that are there instead of worrying so much about Israel and the United States?
Is that a good idea?
Maybe so.
I mean, unfortunately for the Iranian people, I don't think the mullahs and the ID are ever going to be great for the people.
But you see a lot of the Iranian activists who I have a lot of respect for over the past couple of years, especially since the anti-hijab protests.
But they're pissed at Trump right now.
They wanted him to push and push and push, but that would require us actually going to war.
need to push?
They have to because it's just not something Who was that led by?
Students.
Well, yeah.
So get back in the streets, Iran, if that's what you want.
If that's what you want, go make it happen.
We don't have the capital or the resources with our important theaters elsewhere Right now, but on the term of resources, oil prices just went down 4% upon that announcement.
Yeah, you know what?
And it says more than 4% after Trump.
So yesterday was the day that I thought oil prices were going to go up, right?
Because Iran was threatening to block the Strait of Hormuz.
It's Hormuz, right?
I'm not pronouncing it incorrectly.
They were threatening to block the Strait of Hormuz.
In fact, I believe that there were stories floating around.
Hormuz.
Hormuz.
It's sexy.
You got to get back there.
Yeah.
Bit like you need like an RFK clear-your-throat moment.
That's not what I meant.
Yeah, yeah.
Yuck.
Yeah, yeah.
They were threatening to block the strait.
The parliament, apparently in Iran, their governing body, apparently voted for that.
And oil prices went down.
I watched that.
I literally watched this happen because I'm like, ooh, okay, so they're threatening this.
Everybody thought that this was one of the problems that we could run into is that they could just block this strait, maybe give China access to it and just block everybody else.
And maybe that leads to an armed conflict.
And we want to avoid that.
Yeah, that was the thing you're seeing online is, oh, you're ready for $15 a gallon.
Oil prices are going to go up.
And I literally, I don't follow it on my stock tracker thing.
Like there's several companies that I just kind of check on every once in a while.
Don't exactly have an extensive portfolio.
I own some Rumble stock.
But I looked and I was like, I don't even know how to look up the price of oil in this stock ticker.
I had to look it up and I put it in.
I was like, oh, it's down.
OIL.
No, it's not OIL.
It's CL equals T. Not even kidding.
Crude.
I have no idea, but yes, that's the one that I'm supposed to look at, I guess.
It was down yesterday.
And now it's even down further.
In what world does that make any sense?
I think the stock market was relatively neutral yesterday.
It wasn't up big.
It wasn't down big.
For a little while, it was up.
For a little while, it wasn't.
It's like, if all of these things that people are saying online are actually going to happen and World War III is coming and oil prices are going to go through the roof and Iran is going to rain holy hellfire down on everybody, don't you think the stock market would have reacted?
Don't you think that the futures traders and oil would have been reacting?
These guys make money at every single opportunity that there possibly is.
When you look where people put their money, they didn't put their money on that stuff.
Anything else that we need to catch up on?
Do we have the Tucker clip or any of that stuff?
So there was a Tucker clip, and then you said there was a clip from people in Qatar at the base.
So they didn't send that in.
I did find on X some like, you've got to see this reaction from people.
So maybe it's the one, but I'm not 100% sure on it.
Let's play Tucker.
Okay, here's Tucker.
we have some breaking news uh what now well this is This is just sad on every level.
This is the Telegraph.
Look, I don't know if this is true or not.
Explosions have been heard over Doha Qatar.
After Iran launched a missile attack on the U.S. Russian officials told Axios that Iran had fired six missiles toward at least one U.S. base in that Gulf country.
That base exists to protect Israel, by the way.
I know we're constantly, Bray Weiss is constantly attacking Qatar.
Qatar has done more to defend Israel.
But anyway, hosting this base, which they don't need at all.
It's the richest country in the world.
I had surgery in Qatar.
That base.
Yeah.
And Josh, you can correct me if I'm wrong.
I got hurt in Afghanistan and that base guarantees the survival of the state of Qatar as long as it's there.
They benefit more from that base than anybody.
So the fact that he's saying they don't need the base there, if he's saying that at all with any sense of sincerity, he can shove it up his ass because that is so far from the truth.
It is Pride Month.
And someone that is as smart as Tucker Carlson should know better than to ever mutter something so ridiculous.
It's there just to defend Israel.
See, this is the kind of thing that we're talking about.
Is that base just there to defend Israel or is it to help out Qatar?
By the way.
Which one's closer to Israel?
Vicenza, Italy, or Doha Qatar?
I don't know the exact number of miles traveled to get there.
Maybe somebody else does.
It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me to go.
That's a rhetorical question, right, Joe?
I think.
A little bit.
But I wasn't sure in the moment, and so I didn't want to get it.
I actually don't know which one's closest.
Oh, I bet you did know.
No, I actually don't know which one's closer, but I do know that the 173rd Infantry Regiment is there, and we have quite a few nuclear troops, right?
Italia.
In Qatar.
You know where else NATO has nuclear weapons?
Where?
Turkey.
Yeah.
Oh, that's right.
Hmm.
Interesting.
Listen, where's the leadership of Hamas currently headquartered?
No longer.
I think they were expelled, I believe.
From Qatar?
I think so.
Kuwait out.
Really?
Sam would need to fact-check me on that.
I would also wonder if Kuwait's closer to Israel.
Oh, yeah.
No, but Qatar is strictly there to protect Israel.
In fact, when I got my surgery there, the first thing they said is, we will operate on your hernia, but first.
Are you circumcised?
What is that scar?
Is that a swastika?
And I said, no, no, no, that's just something I know in college.
One too many beers in a tattoo shop that was way too close.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Look at this.
Oh, Marjorie Taylor Green praises Trump.
One of the reasons I've always supported him.
Listen, there are people coming out of the woodwork right now.
And I think Jake Pasovic, I think, is being accused of this.
I didn't get to see the underlying stuff because I don't really see a whole lot of his posts.
Is that the lady that pledged to death to us part like three times?
That's fair.
I said Jake Pevov.
I got to take my opportunity.
So Pasovic, basically, yeah, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
These people were actually calling out.
And look, I am not burdened with being Mark Levin's friend.
I don't like Mark Levin's take on all this stuff.
Like, he seems to be incredibly bloodthirsty.
And I'm just not all about it.
It's my opinion, not Steven's, not the shows.
That's just personally me.
And I'm not saying Steven backs up Mark Levin.
I'm just saying he has some history with him, so he knows him.
I don't like those takes.
I don't like the takes of people who are out there criticizing President Trump, and then immediately they stick their hand up.
Which way is the wind blowing?
Oh, President Trump.
It's okay to be a bit of a trip.
I've been with you all the time.
He's so brilliant.
We've railed him over the H1B.
I argue you should criticize the president all the time, especially if you don't like what he's doing, but don't turn around and go like, yep, I knew it.
Just like I did.
Exactly.
I never wavered.
Just admitted.
Like, oh, I was wrong.
I'm glad I was wrong.
Yeah.
Never wavered in my support for the president once.
I think, speaking of Jake Pesobic, I think if the research could find it, that our good friend Razorfist had a nice call-out of him.
Oh, that's right, Neil.
That we could pull up, it's really funny.
Okay, so while we're doing that, why don't we take some of your chats?
I'm curious what you guys have to say about today's show and the Israel shilling that we've done and also the anti-Semitic crap that we said, too.
I'm not sure how we're capable of both at the same time, but I know that you will criticize it.
The scrapers are gone.
Oh, thank God.
They did send in the Doha reaction video if we wanted to see that.
If not, we can go to chat.
Let's just go to chat for now.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see.
First chat from main defender asks, question for the crew.
Do we feel confident that Iran didn't relocate their enriched uranium prior to Operation FAFO at midnight?
Josh, comma, nothing.
Well, you've actually asked us to stop.
Thank you for your service.
Yeah, thanks.
Some guy at the airport did it.
He goes, yeah, I know you hate to hear this, but thank you for your service.
Meanwhile, I'm trying my best to tie my shoes.
My ass cracks hanging out.
I've got my belt half on.
That's the service he was talking about.
No, I don't.
I think, in fact, we don't have as much definitive information about that as I would like for us to have as to where the enriched uranium has been taken to.
And I think that's what the IAEA said as well.
They were very unsure where some of that material had gone to.
That probably is one of the reasons that they took out as much of their nuclear sites as possible.
I don't know what intelligence they had on where this stuff was, but that is definitely a concern that is out there.
Could definitely be a reason why Iran's so willing to stop.
Like, hey, yeah, we'll stop.
We'll stop.
Ceasefire, ceasefire, ceasefire.
We'll be back in five years.
And you can have 60% and move it and have no capability of enrichment after that.
And so that will still set you back.
Yeah, they could be working on something.
They could be scheming.
Mark Wayne Mullen, the senator from Oklahoma, came out yesterday and said that they had credible intelligence.
And again, you know, intelligence, that they had credible intelligence that it never left Fordeau.
Okay.
And so there is a good sense that it was destroyed.
Again, we don't know for certain, but there's multiple narratives on it.
Yeah.
So, but that is a concern.
I don't know how great of a concern right now, but it is definitely a concern.
Next chat.
All right.
Next chat from Mr. Nevermiss.
Question for crew.
Tulsi said they have no credible evidence of Iran developing a nuclear weapon, but the facts show otherwise.
So where did she even get this claim?
No, she's right, and we're right, and they're right.
It's weird.
So there's no credible evidence that they are developing a nuclear weapon.
Doesn't mean that they are not enriching uranium to weapons grade.
What it means is there's two separate things.
Well, three technically, right?
So you need weapons-grade material.
You need to then assemble a nuclear weapon.
That's what a one or two-year process potentially for them to be able to do.
And then you have to have a mechanism to get said weapon from where you are to where they are, unless you want to nuke yourself, which most people don't.
So that is a process that took North Korea how long, 10 or 12 years after they had the bomb?
After the first test, I believe, in the mid-90s, or when they started enriching in the mid-90s, they didn't test until 2006.
And then they didn't really deliver another, like a credible delivery system that could at least reach ICBM levels until 2017 or something.
Yeah, so there was a long delay.
And so everybody could be right theoretically that they don't have the capability of making a bomb, but they're making the material for the bomb, right?
And there's only one reason that you do that.
And again, I'm not going to go with the negotiation thing because if that was the negotiation thing right now, that they had to stop enriching uranium.
And that's the black, the poison pill that they put in these negotiations that they couldn't enrich anymore.
Wouldn't that be the whole point?
Wouldn't that be your time to go, fine, I won't, but here's what you have to do.
They didn't.
That's like getting a restraining order and saying the poison pill is that you can't be within 500 feet of me.
Yes, I'm like, but that's the restraining order.
That's the point of that.
We're negotiating for this and you're only doing that for negotiation purposes, but you're unwilling to trade it away?
What?
It doesn't make any sense.
So people have really tried to hamstring Tulsi on this.
And she went back and actually said, no, you guys are not.
Like, listen to my full statement.
And then also read the IAEA's full statement.
Dave Smith and those guys will actually cherry-pick the IAEA statement.
And I don't know if it's out of maliciousness or if it's just ignorance, but you can see that the IAEA report has major concerns.
They understand the 2003 fatwa that was issued by the Ayatollah saying that they would not be seeking nuclear weapons because that is haram.
That is against Islamic law.
But then you can also see the 60% and now 83.7% enrichment that has zero specific use outside of creating a bomb.
There's so many things here that don't line up.
So if you're out there saying that Iran is not trying to develop a bomb, you're probably, if you had to put odds on it on the polymarket side of things, you're probably in the minority there.
Next chat.
All right, next chat from Vastimus.
Question for crew.
What's the best response to those who point at pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal as one of the current catalysts or catalysts of the current conflict?
Cool.
Pretty much that.
Well, do you have any thoughts on the JCPOA?
So when Obama signed that, there was a lot of caveats on what could be inspected.
They could inspect military installations, but they could only be at predetermined dates and times and things like that.
And the moment that this ran out, it did nothing to set their program back.
So theoretically, the day that that deal ended, they could be right back on the path to enriching and right back on the path to a weapon from the same point at which they started the negotiations.
So you were just kicking the can down the road a little bit farther without actually dealing with the problem.
Yeah, and again, I hate to go back to Dave Smith.
Dave's going to be able to get away from him.
We gave him $400 million of cash to just pay to Paris.
We did, yeah.
We gave him a lot of money.
We lifted sanctions.
We've done a whole lot of stuff to these guys.
And Dave, look, Dave's been invited on the show because we disagree on this, but we don't disagree on everything.
And we wanted to have him have an opportunity to make his point.
Invited him on the show.
Have not heard back from him.
We'll see how that goes.
But making that point, like blaming Trump for leaving this, and that's one of the reasons why we are where we are today.
I think that's kind of lazy, unfortunately.
I think there was a before that, before that time, they wanted to make the bomb.
And now saying, well, they're just enriching to this point to be able to use it in negotiations.
And they wouldn't have been able to do that otherwise.
Well, it's like the IAEA, even in their report, said, we're very concerned about these other materials that we have found that we have no idea where they came from because they didn't come from the places that we're inspecting.
We think that they're hiding stuff.
So fine, they're in the program, but they're hiding stuff.
is the program really doing its job then?
No, no, it's not.
So, acting like this agreement was going to be the savior of everything and Iran was just going to play ball like they should have the entire time and be honest with us and allow inspectors to go wherever they needed to go, whenever they needed to go there, is just not being honest.
Question, and I think a lot of people that are upset with how things have developed need to answer this.
If this was all done under a false pretext that there was nuclear weapons or the potential for nuclear weapons in the future, and that was all fake and it was just to help Israel and, you know, whatever, why would Trump all of a sudden be okay with taking out their nuclear facilities and now we can have a ceasefire and everyone can stay where they are?
Why would that be okay for Trump now?
It doesn't make any sense.
He would be taking out the false flag, essentially.
He would be removing the thing that they would use as a false flag, not a false flag, you know, and they could attack, obviously, and say it was somebody else, but the impetus for going to war.
Basically, Trump took that card off of the table and said, now what?
Not going to war with Iran.
Everybody should be cheering that.
Next chat.
All right.
Next chat from Ibrahim Asmadeus.
Question.
We took shots at Iran, justified 100%.
What do we do with the politicians here sympathetic to Iran?
What does sympathetic to Iran mean?
I'm not trying to be obtuse.
I just mean like if you're a lot of different opinions here.
Yeah, the gift bag.
We're not Iran.
No, we're not Iran.
Josh, that's a great point.
We do have, like, do I like it?
Of course not.
Do I like politicians that I don't know what sympathetic means?
Does that mean that they are more anti-Israel dragging us into a war and therefore they're sympathetic?
Does that mean that they're actually like pro-Iranian regime?
Like L.A. County Sheriff's sympathetic sheriff?
Well, exactly.
Are they sympathizers?
Because thank God they're keeping an eye on things that the LA County Sheriff.
Hey, by the way, guys, has anybody checked in with the L.A. County Sheriff to see what they think about the ceasefire?
No, but I haven't died, so I assume that they're doing their job.
Thank you.
I think they might have got pegged the other day.
Straight from our hearts to your social media page, thank you, Los Angeles County, for taking care of world matters that matter to us.
Texas, thanks you.
We love you.
Pagan is for Iran as their new cat.
That's a good name for a segment.
World Matters That Matter to Us.
World Matters.
Her reply was.
Did it on purpose?
Pro-Hamas, those crying on X, that sort of thing.
I mean, look, again, we have the ability to have differences of opinion.
And look, you can be not pro-Hamas necessarily, but it's kind of pro-Palestinian civilians trapped in this terrible fighting situation.
I just want to make sure.
Yeah.
And I'm not going to say his name again, but this is directed at everybody out there who is making this argument.
And maybe Piers Morgan as well in a very kind of friendly way.
Like, you ought to be blaming more than just Israel.
If everything you're saying is true, if I grant every single thing that you have said, every nasty, terrible, and I don't mean nasty like you're wrong, I just mean like terrible, disgusting, horrible thing.
If everything you've said about Israel and the war that they are waging in Gaza is true, then you need to be blaming them and a handful of other people as well.
Because it is entirely avoidable if a gate is opened into Egypt and a humanitarian zone is put up.
Not talking about letting people just flood your country.
You have refused to accept one person.
One person.
But Israel is the only bad guy, even if I grant all your facts.
Typically when war happens and people start to run for the borders, the international community gets together and does something.
Right now, the international community has just gotten together and said, Israel bad?
Why do you think that is?
Why do you think people that were trying to deliver aid to Gaza that were flying through Egypt got sat down and then beaten?
What do you think that is?
Maybe a little less name-calling and a little bit more looking at the facts of the situation would benefit everybody.
I am old enough to remember when Hamas said that they bombed a hospital early on in the war and they hit the parking lot.
I'm old enough to remember that during that strike, they said they killed 500 people.
This was the official information coming out from Hamas.
Not saying everything's like that.
There's plenty of things that Israel has done that I completely condemn.
But they said 500 people died.
Turns out, I believe in that same instance that the missile that hit it was a misfire and that we had video evidence.
If I'm not conflating two things, I know sometimes Hamas rockets don't exactly fly where they're supposed to.
Maybe it happened more than once.
So now you want me to believe you on everything when we have evidence that you've lied on stuff?
You can say the same thing about Israel.
You maybe make the case that they've lied on some stuff too.
Fine.
At least at this point, I have to go.
The human shield people are probably the bad guys in this situation.
And the other guys, maybe not the good guys, maybe doing some bad stuff too, but certainly Egypt and Jordan and neighbors that could take people in that are saying, hell no.
Maybe they ought to get some blame too.
I don't know.
Maybe there's enough to go around.
Next chat.
All right.
Next chat from Rage Against the Goons.
Do you think individuals like Tucker and Candace are reacting this way for clicks, or are they simply revealing their true lack of trust in Trump to make the right decisions?
That's interesting.
I want to hear what you guys have to say about that, and then I'll respond.
With Candace, I think she will griffs the way the wind is blowing during that particular day.
She was a doxer, and then she was in Jerusalem at the opening of the embassy shitting off.
She was.
Who is she in Jerusalem with?
Charlie Kirk.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, and she was mad at liberals because they weren't pro-Israel enough.
And then she gets married to one of Andrew Tate's buddies, and now all of a sudden she's a Jew hater.
I don't care.
She's not, I don't, I don't take her serious.
I think she's impressionable.
Yeah, she's impressionable and she likes money.
Fine, whatever.
Tucker's a different case to me because he is clearly a very intelligent person.
And his monologues.
When he had his monologues on Fox, I thought that was some of the best.
It was great.
That was some of the best media that existed.
Yeah.
I tuned out after the monologue.
Yeah.
I'm not even kidding.
And so his is a little bit different.
I don't know, but I just have a hard time believing that he is naive enough to completely believe the things that he's saying.
And the Russia thing is what really blackpilled me on him.
Yeah.
Because you don't go to the center of Moscow, to a subway station that was constructed under the Stalinist regime to impress foreign journalists.
It was a propaganda piece.
It was a propaganda piece.
Then act like a propagandist that's impressed by said subway station.
Yeah.
I don't mind his opinion on why the conflict started.
I think there's a lot of people that have different opinions about that.
That's a pretty good interview that he gave to Vladimir Putin, too.
I have no problem with that.
But I could never take him seriously again after he went full Walter Durante during that Moscow trip.
Because he says, go to Moscow.
It's nicer than D.C. Well, no, I can go to the National Mall or I can go to Red Square and those are both very nice places.
But you go 10 miles outside of Moscow and you're going to be lucky to find someone that has indoor plumbing.
You're going to find death rates that are far higher and birth rates that are far lower.
Alcoholism that's far higher.
Abortion rates that are far higher.
Well, they're really cold.
They need the alcohol to stay warm.
I wouldn't blame them.
But these are all things you could Google and find out in a couple of seconds or speak to someone from Russia for two seconds that's not just a white girl that got put up on TikTok because she's a white girl.
It's just not good journalism.
Yeah, and it's, it's, I, you know, I do, I don't know.
I kind of, I don't want to keep commenting on it really quick.
I want to take Josh to your opinion and then I'll comment back on Tucker because otherwise I'll just pontificate and ramble.
My opinion on Tucker?
Well, on Tucker and Can, so what was the question?
Well, you could say that Tucker is a Tucker's a grifter and doesn't believe what he says.
It's a free country.
Nice.
I would never say that, but people tell me.
That's what the left says.
That's what the left says, yes.
I have a hard time with Tucker lately because I think he can make the point without doing it the way he does.
So, for example, we know, we know, we know without a doubt that Russia is selling arms, or I'm sorry, that Ukraine is selling arms to Mexico, I believe was what it was, that it ended up in the hands of the cartel.
We know, we know, we know, without providing any evidence that we know.
And he said, well, this is just fact.
It's not even in doubt.
And he says that about stuff that you're like, well, hold on.
Have you proven that?
Because you've said that, and you've had people on that have some theories about that, potentially, but they don't have any evidence of that.
And that's typically where we have to go with these things.
And so saying that I know that this will end up in thousands of deaths, this is what the Pentagon says.
This is absolutely what the war game says.
Do you know that?
Or are you just guessing?
Like, you can say, hey, I'm worried that this may end up leading to thousands of deaths if this happens and escalates, but hopefully it does not.
In the past, it seems like it has not, but maybe now is the time where the Iranian regime reaches out and touches us and it hurts in a different way.
That would be different.
That's not what he said.
And that's not what Tucker has been saying.
Tucker has been increasingly definitive.
Now, I also, I honestly am not 100% on this, but I'm really, really close to being 100% that I think he does absolutely love his country.
The reason I say I'm not 100% is not because I think there's some like sliver of actually he doesn't love his country.
I'm just saying he says some stuff sometimes that makes it seem to me like he does not love his country, like the Moscow thing, like saying they're better than us.
To me, that's just a little weird.
It's a little like, that's not just pushing us to do better.
That's propping something up as propaganda and saying we need to achieve this propaganda status.
And I just don't know what to do with that.
And so that's that 0.01%.
Everything else he says, though, is I'm not leaving here.
I love this country.
I'm going to live here.
I'm going to die here.
My parents are here.
Everything's here.
I love this country.
I believe that.
But there's just something right now with Tucker that I'd like to see change.
But I think his heart might be completely in the right place on a lot of these things.
But the execution, especially on the Russia thing, to me as well.
And the Qatar thing.
Like, I'm not sure that Qatar has been the greatest force for good in the world either.
We've done an episode on them, I believe, or a video talking about some of those things.
So those two things specifically are weird.
There may be more.
I understand why Qatar exists and what purpose they serve.
Yeah.
I do.
Serving as an intermediary is very valuable.
I get it.
Even if you have to be friends with people we don't like.
With the Russia thing, they'll point and say, well, why is it wrong to look at another country and see what we could do better?
Okay, well, we've clearly been in a geopolitical struggle with Russia forever, and it's not something that we created.
We have inherently different visions of how we're going to be able to do it.
Is Pyongyang nice?
Pyongyang is gorgeous.
Okay.
And a bunch of people that look rich.
Did Tucker ever go and say, did he pull up a map?
Did he pull up a video?
Did he pull up Google Earth?
pull up anything and say, hey, Pyongyang's nice.
I wish Washington, D.C. could be as good as...
But you know what else he didn't do that with?
Tokyo.
No.
Or Taipei.
Or Singapore.
All countries that have Warsaw.
You could have done it with Warsaw and made the Euro-ethnic argument as well.
But he didn't.
He chose a very specific country at a very specific time.
And I don't know what kind of motive I could put onto that.
I don't know.
It's confusing.
And it sucks because right before he gave that interview, he was being called a Russia shill by everybody before he went to talk to Putin.
And I'm like, why wouldn't you go talk to Putin?
Of course that would be a great interview.
Like we had your money.
No one was doing that.
You had to do that.
The problem is when you went to the grocery store and you went to the subway station, you went to the grocery store and I can't remember what the stat was, but that was actually like the average Russian's income couldn't afford the basket of groceries that he had.
And then saying how nice this was and obviously the propaganda piece at the railway station or the subway.
So that was, yeah.
And on Candace, I don't really know.
We've obviously been cross with Candace in certain ways and in some ways not as much.
But I think they say it looks increasingly like they just say what maybe they're led to believe.
I'm not sure how many of these people are actually super principled.
That sucks because we have had conversations and we have had unpopular opinions.
And we have said, at the very least, we are standing on principles of what we believe.
And so when Donald Trump does good, we say good.
When he does bad, we say bad.
When Israel does good, we say good.
When they do bad, we say bad.
When Ukraine is being attacked, in the very first stages of this war, we say, Russia, bad, and you absolutely have to get them out.
Get Ukraine all the support that they Need after it becomes increasingly clear that there is not going to be a negotiated settlement based on reality.
We're saying, guys, we've put too much money into this to continue funding this thing, knowing that there really isn't going to be an end.
There's no clear way out of this thing, and so we should probably stop sending our money over there, and Europe should probably start picking up their fair share of this tab.
This is not really our war.
Like, I think all of those things are very fair to say, and they're kind of on both sides of an issue.
And if we get something wrong, we say, you know what, I was wrong.
Yeah, it's like the laundry football league.
These other guys that was wrong.
It was, well, at the beginning, I was like, hey, this is a great investment.
Oh, they were like a tenth of a penny per share.
I owned a million shares in this league.
Then, you know, you start watching it and you go, ah, this kind of sucks.
It's not really getting a TV coverage.
Is it a tenth of a penny?
Never mind.
You didn't put $100,000.
No.
I thought you said a penny.
No.
I was like, hey, I got to collect my losses here.
Get the heck out.
You don't invest an apple instead.
You don't collect losses.
You cut your losses.
You cut your losses.
No, I collect mine.
You can collect your gains.
Okay, anyway, next chat.
I keep them in a jar.
It's empty.
You're not the best color man in the business for no reason, Josh.
I don't think anybody calls me that.
Next chat.
Called you a color man.
Color.
Yeah.
Color, not color.
You don't say that either.
I'm a man of color.
It's different.
Whatever.
Land that D. You guys have the same thing.
Next chat from Andro Smitty.
Question for the crew.
With the show of force blowing these sites up, do you think this makes China question their intentions with Taiwan while Trump is in office?
Lane was on TV last night talking about this.
Lane, what do you think?
No.
Maybe to a minute degree, but I think all of that I think China's decision, Xi Jinping's decision to move or not move on Taiwan is predicated largely on domestic factors and where he sees his own mortality.
I think it's less likely to happen under Trump if he thinks that he can wait it out a couple years.
But if the point came where he thought, well, Trump is actually going to make it so it will be impossible for us to do in the future, I think he would move on it then.
I think domestic factors are motivating him more.
But that being said, I guess I'll take back my previous statement a little bit.
He would think twice about it and hold off.
He would be more likely to hold off under Donald Trump, but I don't think it would, we could say definitively that it would stop him from doing that.
No, but I mean, it doesn't hurt our case.
Correct, correct.
Showing a force is not the worst thing in the world to be able to do and to be like, hey, these guys showed up there unannounced, took it out.
You saw Top Gun Maverick, same thing.
Let's put it that if he thinks he can do it in 2027 and also.
Oh, and also thinks he can do it in 2029, he'd wait to 2029 to do it.
Yeah.
Because he's much more, much, much less likely to succeed.
How likely is it this even happens?
I feel like at this point, you're starting to get to the point where a lot of people go, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard this before.
Same kind of thing that you're dealing with with Iran getting the nuke.
Like, I'm not saying it's accurate.
I'm saying that, you know, people have heard this case made many, many, many times.
I think it's happening.
You think it is?
I think it's happening.
Even though, well, you know, that means a large, like, unless they're banking on the world not responding.
Right.
If the world responds, that means that China suffers economic destruction in massive ways.
Unless there is an internal sort of revolution against Xi Jinping's leadership before he dies, I think it will happen.
So they're making the calculation that they'll just write it out?
They'll write it out.
But the Japanese had very specific goals that we were getting in the way of, and they thought there was an apex point of their power that they could achieve those goals, and they took a shot, even though they knew that it wasn't a good shot.
Xi Jinping is very ideal.
He's a bad shot.
He's a dog.
Jerks.
And his entire legacy that he's framed for himself is being greater than Mao and doing something Mao couldn't.
And that would be quote-unquote reuniting China and Taiwan together as one China.
And so I don't think unless the party itself works to remove him or strip him of his.
What if they come up with a different goal?
That's the goal.
What if they could do something else that makes him greater than Mao?
That would be ideal, right?
It would, but that's probably taking Korea or something at that point.
I care a lot about both.
So let's not do that.
Okay, we're going to take one more chat.
Final chat.
Make it a good final chat.
Okay, well.
Fantastic chat.
Listen, no pressure.
I don't know if that's good enough.
All right.
Next chat from Agrathos.
While Israel launching an attack on the heels of a ceasefire was a dick move, was this the best thing to happen for Trump's national image as he proved he prioritizes America first?
Yeah, look, I mean, Trump took a situation that wasn't necessarily great and turned it into something that I think is very iconic.
You know, Stephen was almost kind of joking when he said that this is up there with all these other kind of famous presidential lines, you know, tear down this wall and nothing to fear but fear itself or famous lines, you know, in history.
I kind of think so too.
I mean, you may not like what he said, and a bunch of people in Israel are probably pissed off at him and, you know, frustrated with this, but that's good.
You know, like that's actually kind of a good thing for them to get a little bit of a dose of reality.
Like we are the reason that you exist as a nation, as a country right now.
And I'm not removing the hand of God from any of that.
And I'm also not placing any special like super privileges on Israel as a nation right now, as the nation of Israel in the Bible.
So I know we can have that conversation.
That's something maybe we'll do for a Friday episode at some point.
But I think he took a very bad situation and turned it into a very good situation.
And it looks like the peace is holding, or at least the ceasefire is holding right now.
And both sides have kind of gotten things out of their system.
Now, understand too, that there was an initial, it seemed like there was a, okay, we're going to have a ceasefire here in six hours.
I'm going to bomb the hell out of you for the next four.
And there was responses to that.
And then there was questions about the response to the response.
And can I let this guy have the last word?
Or do I get the last word?
And that's kind of normal.
I mean, you talk, unfortunately, a lot in World War I happened after they basically had said, hey, this war is going to be over at this time.
And so there were a bunch of commanders that basically said, okay, well, they're going to freeze the lines where they are.
So let's go ahead and try to get a little bit more territory right before a ceasefire.
So it's not uncommon for those things to happen.
But what is uncommon and what people did not expect is for Donald Trump, the president of the United States, not on a hot mic somewhere in B-roll land, not somebody with a recorder on that he didn't know about, but directly to the press as he was walking to Marine One saying that they don't know what the F they're doing.
That's a moment that'll go down in history, and hopefully, hopefully, we won't have to talk about Israel for a very, very long time.
Stick around.
We're going to send you over.
Who are we going to send these guys to right now?
Russell's stream's open.
I think Tim is probably winding it down.
All right, perfect.
We'll send you guys over to Russell.
Have a great day.
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