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May 30, 2025 - Louder with Crowder
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Andrew Wilson on the Infiltration of the Church: Feminism, NGOs and the Battle for Christianity!
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Welcome to the Friday Show.
Thank you very much for joining us today.
Fridays sometimes are a bit of a grab bag.
We have episodes where we talk about the current events that are going on.
Sometimes there's so much in the news, either with India-Pakistan or Russia-Ukraine or something else where we're going to dive into that.
Sometimes we do the behind the scenes, but other times we have special guests and we get to talk about some subjects that are near and dear to me and maybe things that you haven't.
We get to talk a little bit about some trends within the church and some of the movement that we're seeing.
Frankly, I'm glad that we're having this conversation because it's necessary and it's been long overdue.
The church in America is definitely changing.
A lot of times that change is for the positive and results in really, really good movements in the church.
Sometimes that change actually Pushes things in a direction that we don't necessarily want them to go.
And I'll be a little bit more clear once we jump into the subject here.
But one of the trends that I have noticed is women.
So in the Catholic Church, that's true.
According to a recent Pew study, mostly dominated by women.
Definitely in the Protestant Church, that's true.
In the mainland Protestant Church, also in the black Protestant Church, it's very true.
It makes up a very significant majority of the church.
and there are a couple of exceptions to this rule.
And one of the reasons that I want to talk about that is because...
We need to make sure that we're not allowing churches to just not necessarily just be run by women, but we don't want women to have to take this role that God has given to men to kind of be the leaders in faith.
And we need more men to be involved in church and to be going to church and to be leading in church.
And that's a very, very important topic.
So the two groups.
Not really in Christianity.
One of them is.
One of them kind of is Christian adjacent, the Mormons.
I'm sorry, guys, you understand we have some issues, right?
So predominantly male, and I think I understand the recruiting brochure there is a little different.
You know, sometimes not everybody does the polygamy thing.
Maybe not anybody anymore, but, you know, that's kind of a thing.
That's a good selling point.
And then the Orthodox Church.
I think it's something like 60% men, 40% women, which is a huge, huge difference from other mainline churches.
And obviously, How are you, sir?
I'm good.
Thank you for having me back.
I really appreciate it.
Absolutely.
You can see today I have my battle armor on.
No hat to hide a bald spot.
There's no bald spot, just the hat's really cool.
But I have the battle armor on today in case this turns into a drag-out, brutal debate.
No, I'm kidding.
Dear God, no.
Help!
No, but I wanted to jump into some of this with you.
You and I had some really good conversations recently about this.
You were on the show recently.
And we thought it'd be a good episode to do for Gerald Apologizes Apologetics.
Music Gerald Apologizes Apologetics.
It doesn't mean that!
It does not mean that, but neither way.
Neither here nor there.
So Andrew, We also talked about it being on Rumble, and since we're a big Rumble house here, I just wanted to make sure.
Can people find you on Rumble as well?
Yeah, they can, and I don't know.
Who knows?
Maybe we'll get in this Rumble lineup thing.
There you go.
I do have a show in mind for it, but yeah, you can actually find us on Rumble.
The best place that you can find us to support us is thecrucible.video.
That's where you'll find our entire backlog.
Some of the funniest stuff you'll ever see online.
Also, some of the most entertaining.
There you go.
Hope to see all of you there.
Go over there and follow him on X at PaleoChristCon.
I love following you on X. It's a bit of a treat because I think sometimes you just spend your days looking for your next victim.
Not always in a mean-spirited sort of way.
If you watched our Ash Wednesday episode, sometimes you have to put their face right back in the mirror to make sure that they understand what really is going on.
Let's talk about that, because you and I were discussing this and looking for kind of a stat that we thought people would be interested in and find kind of interesting and compelling, and I think what we found was that Pew stat, that most of these other denominations, most of these other kind of branches of Christianity, not denominations, but branches, essentially are run and kind of populated mostly by women.
What do you attribute that to?
NGOs and feminism.
I mean, like, here's the truth.
So we started looking into this a couple years ago, because this actually blew my mind as well.
NGOs, there's many NGOs, and private corporate donors, in fact, who allocate large portions of their budget towards the infiltration of various churches around the country.
Especially, you've seen megachurches, right?
Protestant megachurches.
So I'll explain how this is done.
They call it clergy training.
So what they'll do is they'll come in and say, hey, look, we want to train your clergy for the problems of modernity.
We'll have professional psychologists come in.
They'll assist with the training and this and that.
And what it actually does is it erodes the system over time inside of these more traditional churches.
And they become soft towards issues they were not soft on before.
And so a lot of it is actually infiltration.
And the second part of it is that feminists see it as a position of power.
So, inside of these churches, think of it on a local issues, on the local level.
Where are the power bases?
Well, you can have local politics, but actually, surprisingly, on the local level, unless you're in big cities, your local politicians don't really have that much power, at least not influence-wise, over people.
Your church leaders do.
Absolutely.
Especially in smaller towns, smaller areas.
They're probably revered more, too.
Yeah.
Like, you look at it kind of as a natural outlook.
Well, and it gives you credibility, right?
It gives you credibility, and it gives you status, and this type of thing.
It used to give you preferred seating on airlines.
That's right.
And a lot of women actually see that as an opportunity for them to move into powerful positions.
And another reason that this happens is because...
Okay, let me set it up to make sure...
What's about to happen, Andrew?
This is about to get taken out of context, but...
And when they want to reform, they will move into kind of weaker churches where they can kind of keep the progressive attitudes, right?
They can keep the progressive attitudes.
And what they're really looking for is not being judged.
I don't want to be judged.
Well, what's really going on is they're trying to kind of jot
their faith into buying a new reputation yeah and I see that I call these types of women sewing circle Christians and I believe that this is one of the biggest problems in Protestant churches that there is is that there's lots and lots of women who want to leverage their faith to buy a new reputation and what they're supposed to be doing is falling on their knees begging for forgiveness right and doing everything in their power to create a reconciliation between um the
You know, between their past and their faith through humility.
That's the point, right?
Not to buy a new reputation.
That would be the opposite of Christian ethics, right?
Yeah.
I think part of, obviously, you know, the process of forgiveness is realizing, or the process of, you know, coming to Christ and having a faith is realizing that you're a sinner in need of a Savior.
Yes.
And that's the whole process of taking responsibility for past actions, not necessarily letting the shame and guilt from those things keep you down.
That's exactly what Satan wants.
You're too bad to ever come to God.
Why would we never accept you, right?
But you do have to face what you've done.
And that apart from Christ, that is exactly who you are.
And you're right.
You can't just come in and say, now I'm a member of X church and that makes me somewhat holy.
And it doesn't, My wife has, you know, she's been keeping a close eye on it.
The people who are around the Whatever podcast who are recently Reformed Christians have been keeping a close eye on it, so I have as well.
But what happens is a lot of these women will come in after having kind of done these horrible things in their life, right, been very promiscuous, this and that, and they say, well, why don't these Christian men want me?
I'm Reformed.
Christ is my savior.
Well, they're not trying to take that away from you.
And your sins are washed away through the blood of Christ.
But that doesn't mean that your reputation goes with it.
And you shouldn't have any expectation as a woman that you're going to get a virtuous, Chad Christian man when you have spent your life on your back, right?
And this is kind of a false expectation, which happens.
You can't hold that against me.
I'm reformed.
It's like, well, whether you are or you're not, that doesn't mean that Christian men are obligated to be with you or, you know, to do something like this, right?
It takes away the consequence for your actions.
It's clearly spelled out in the Bible.
There may be earthly consequences to whatever sin you've committed.
You can be forgiven and you can be saved, but...
Or you might still have the reputation of a harlot.
And the thing is, it doesn't mean we don't want you in the church.
It doesn't mean we don't want you with Christ.
It doesn't mean that over time you can't change your reputation anyway.
What it does mean, though, is that men still are going to have preferences.
And them being a Christian, maybe a lot of them can look past a lot of that type of behavior.
But the ones who can't, they don't have any obligation to do so because you are also a Christian.
That's insane.
Right.
But that's part of the buying of the new reputation that I'm talking about.
Yeah.
Well, we need that incentive structure in place so that women look at that as a cautionary tale and go, hey.
You're incentivized to make good decisions now.
Yes.
Because if you don't, you may end up like this.
If you can just kind of do whatever you want to do, and this goes for men too, sleeping around, if you can have that kind of reputation, men don't typically seek that kind of, I guess, cover from church necessarily, but it is that same kind of thing that we have.
If you have that reputation for going around and mistreating women, probably not going to attract the best women into your life to find a good wife and a good mother.
It might be a little bit difficult, but on a much different scale, I think, with the church.
And when you look at the violation of virtues, this is the truth.
This is a descriptor of is, not what should be.
You're right that it should be the case that when it comes to promiscuity...
Yeah, that men should have the same outcomes as women, but the truth of the matter is that women judge promiscuity in men way differently than men judge promiscuity in women.
In fact, there's a lot of women, and this has blown my mind over the years learning this, that will judge a man as being a creep or a weirdo because they don't have sexual experience by the time they're in their 30s.
They think, well, wait a second, why won't women go near you?
What's wrong with you?
You know what I mean?
What's going on here?
Is it because I bring the chains and the whips out day one?
Yeah, so in some ways, on the promiscuity aspect of it, it's women who are setting the standard.
For, like, we don't care as much about male promiscuity, but with men, we definitely care a lot about promiscuity.
For a couple of reasons.
One's for status, right?
And, I mean, that's just the case.
It is a status thing.
The second is because of paternity.
This is how we were able to historically determine paternity is through how permissive, you know, if a woman was promiscuous, And so you wanted to have a chaste virgin on your wedding night.
It assured the paternity that that was your lineage.
You know what I mean?
The paternity testing has only become a thing recently.
It doesn't mean biologically we're just going to change our mindset on this.
Coincides with the Jerry Springer show, roughly.
Yeah, right.
And then the third reason for this is because when you look at status, a man who can achieve many, many, many women, More desirable.
It's more desirable for women.
Isn't that weird?
But it's true.
It's 100% true.
But a woman who can achieve whatever man she wants is just Norma.
It's not very impressive.
It's just Norma or Susan.
It's just a normal chick, right?
No, it is true.
Again, this is not advocating for that, but it is true that that is kind of societally how we see these things.
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But if you are not, you are going to be sent off and miss out on a very interesting conversation where apparently Andrew thinks that Martin Luther is a schizophrenic who banged a nun You
heard that right.
Schizophrenic and banged a nun.
Now listen, you did say, I understand why he split with the Catholic Church.
I understand why he did what he did.
But he was a schizophrenic who banged a nun.
Where is that from?
I haven't heard that yet.
Probably because I'm a Protestant and they won't put that in the brochure.
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