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Feb. 12, 2025 - Louder with Crowder

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🔴 Why the Inevitable Rise of China is a Huge Lie | GUEST: Tim Pool

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	Bell rings Hello?
	Hey there!
	I'm looking for a...
	Mr. Billy Bennington.
	Yeah, that's me.
	Excellent, Mr. Bennington.
	I'm just calling today because I heard you might be interested in refinancing your home.
	No, I'm really not, and this isn't a good time.
	Oh, hey now.
	It's always a good time to talk about saving some money.
	It looks like you're currently at a 5.3% rate, and, you know, I can get you up to 9, 9.5% easy.
	Maybe even get you some cash out on the deal.
	Well, respectfully, Mr. Bennington, you don't know what you're talking about, okay?
	I'm the professional here, all right?
	So why don't you take the tampon out and calm down?
	I don't have time for this.
	Please take me off your list.
	Okay, I can do that.
	Oh, and Mr. Bennington, get some rest.
	You look tired.
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	What?
	I'm an invalid.
	You see this?
	Is there anything gayer than a back pillow that I have to wear right now?
	Yes.
	There's a few things.
	Intercourse with another man.
	Guys, I'm gay.
	Pure man.
	But the point remains.
	Disc golf.
	Farting and not making a sound.
	It feels like someone played golf with my disc.
	That's why I have the back pillow.
	Thanks for touching a sore spot.
	Eating corn the long way.
	There's lots of things.
	There are lots.
	Okay.
	All right.
	I didn't think it through.
	Double-fisting corndogs, there's a lot of things.
	There are a lot of things.
	I think this well has run dry, but a lot to get to today.
	Look, the main topic of today is China inevitably the next great superpower.
	We've been told this time and time again.
	And there is one man who has been willing to stand up to that myth, or at least point it out as a myth.
	And I think you know who that man is.
	And my mind has been changed on that.
	I, you know, was surrounded by people in finance for a long time saying, well, you know, I'm only hiring people who speak Mandarin.
	It's inevitable.
	They're going to be the next great superpower.
	I'm going to go through some claims versus the truths there.
	And it's, it's, it's.
	It's kind of shocking as to how uninformed people are and how much propaganda people actually buy, which also brings us to Vance gave a great speech, Vice President on AI over, I believe, in France today, or yesterday, in defense of the United States and innovation.
	Also, Denmark wants to buy California.
	We're going to do the math.
	Probably not going to happen.
	Other nations, you should shut up.
	We don't care what you think.
	Especially Denmark.
	And would you get yourself sterilized to protest Donald Trump?
	Because this bitch did.
	Sounds like a good excuse for me, honestly.
	Yes, this was a state rep who did so.
	We're going to get into that in more.
	So at some point, I guarantee you, you're going to see, if you're still watching on YouTube, this.
	Head on over to Rumble.
	It's a live show, 10 a.m.
	Eastern.
	Also, we have on the show, I forgot to say this, major announcement, Rumble Premium.
	Mug Club is now Rumble Premium.
	Rumble Premium is Mug Club.
	And Tim Pool is now signing onto the network.
	It has been announced, I believe, later yesterday.
	He's going to be on the show, give you the ins and outs.
	It's your one-stop shop.
	It has a network that you cannot find anywhere else.
	No more tip jars.
	You get Tim Pool.
	You get us.
	You get Donald Trump Jr. You get Nick DiPaolo.
	You get Mr. Guns of Gear.
	You get Dr. Disrespect.
	You get it ad-free.
	We're building an army.
	Figuratively.
	Could be literally two.
	Other holdouts out there?
	Yeah, there are a lot of guns.
	There are other holdouts.
	We'll see.
	Water is warm.
	All right.
	It's okay to admit you made a mistake.
	Captain Morgan, you doing well?
	I'm doing really well.
	What?
	I'm just a happy person right now.
	You feel good?
	My back doesn't hurt.
	All right.
	And, of course, Josh Feierstein, who's back, is fit as a fiddle.
	Must be nice.
	I've got all kinds of back.
	And now I'm going to, I guess, present a clip that I have not seen.
	But I was told I need to watch.
	Remember that rapper?
	Dank!
	With the orbit?
	Dank DeMoss?
	Well, I guess...
	Not the smell.
	I guess it appeared on The Breakfast Club to try and give you her side of the story.
	Several sides of the drama with the whole lift debacle.
	She doesn't have sides.
	I ended up ordering me a lift, you know?
	And you order a lift all the time.
	Yes, I do.
	It was like 15 minutes away.
	Did they have to get her a custom couch?
	I went downstairs.
	As I'm walking to the car, he looked funny.
	I'm just like, you ain't gonna let me in your car?
	I'm like, for real?
	So I put my camera out.
	And it's like, why you not letting me in your car?
	Like, I kind of peeped that.
	That's what he was on because the look at me, I've seen that look before, you know?
	So that's how it happened.
	And this is the first time this has ever happened?
	The first time.
	So that seems pretty normal, right?
	What do you mean we're going to get to the couch thing?
	Oh, is that in the next?
	Well, hold on a second.
	So that is not just me because I've watched the breakfast club.
	So she's there explaining her side, right?
	Okay.
	She looked a little low to me.
	She did look a little low.
	And there may be a reason.
	Okay, when she says, didn't let me in the lift, she means the man didn't get out and shove her into the lift, correct?
	I just want to make sure I understand.
	You can have a hydraulic press to shove her in.
	Look, I've never once just said, ha, fat person.
	That's not what this is.
	This is someone who's advocating this kind of an unhealthy lifestyle for other people and advocates pride for it.
	You should not be proud.
	There is a litany of bad decisions that have led up to this.
	Your body is telling you something.
	You're dying.
	Okay?
	Let's be honest about it.
	I will find tears welling up in my eyes if I'm at the gym and I see someone really trying to get it done, and I'll give them words of encouragement.
	That's not the same thing as advocating an early death, which is what is happening here.
	That being said, it also makes for great comedy fodder.
	I guess here is the next clip where she fell at a concert?
	No, this is the...
	No, this is her entering the podcast.
	Okay, again, they said, don't watch it.
	Don't watch it.
	We're going to show it to you on air because I guess they like making me mad.
	Let's watch the couch.
	Peace, big day.
	How are you?
	Good morning.
	You good?
	Good morning.
	Oh, good lord.
	Nice to meet you.
	Hi, how are you?
	Thanks for attempting to cover something.
	How are you, brother?
	You good?
	Nice to meet you, Keith.
	Got it.
	Those are towels.
	There's the chair that she's attempting to sit in.
	What you want?
	What you need?
	A bigger chair or something.
	How about a hammock?
	So they disassembled their set to move the couch over for her to fit.
	Talk about the entitlement.
	It's like, this is the only chair you got?
	You don't got a family of Mayans.
	We're in a Mayan hammock.
	He's too fast!
	There's not enough fabrics!
	You only have a normal person chair here?
	Yes.
	You ain't got like four beanbag chairs?
	Come on!
	She should be happy the chair she sat in didn't collapse immediately.
	You got like that love sack to have at the mall, but the one for the movies for the whole family?
	You guys are being insensitive.
	You don't know what it's like to swallow a stool with your butt.
	And then she's like this, speaking into the microphone.
	Thanks, guys.
	Appreciate the couch.
	She goes to the doctor and asks for a stool sandwich.
	She's like, I think I got one.
	Can't believe the makeup's so small!
	The doctor's like, yes, yes I can.
	You know she can't wipe her butt, dude.
	Just that's the entitlement.
	That's the only chair you've got?
	And you know if they said, yeah, why, what's the problem?
	Like, oh, you gotta ask me if they're the problem.
	You know what, look, and I say this, and you're right at the cusp, Gerald, of too tall.
	Right, where you almost have to get everything custom.
	Airplanes are tough.
	I'm kind of there as far as the width on airplanes or sometimes in cabs.
	Yours is more of the depth.
	Yeah, a little bit of the depth.
	DeMoss and I have that in common.
	But you know that you're not average, right?
	Closing at about 6'5".
	You know you're not average.
	Yes, exactly.
	I don't expect accommodation.
	For someone to expect the entire world to revolve around them, no pun intended.
	Okay, pun intended.
	That's a manifest.
	More like a moon.
	Yes.
	She doesn't have an entourage.
	She has moons.
	When you're fat and you walk in with clothes like that, all bets are off.
	Like, you can be made fun of all day.
	And here's the thing.
	You love it.
	Ultimately, look, you see these stories now.
	What you don't see is how it ends because the media doesn't want to cover that.
	And it really does make you wonder when people try and push this fat pride, when people push LGBT, whatever it is, you go, how can...
	How can they always be wrong, those on the left, and push pride in something that is destructive to society?
	Also, destructive to your knees.
	knees.
	Here's a clip of her falling.
	Oh.
	She was like a stuck turtle too for a minute there.
	That was a 7.2.
	There was a bounce on that inflatable blob you use at summer camp where a kid jumps in.
	People are still trying to help her out.
	Even in the movie Heavyweights, the fat kids were jumping on her!
	Yeah, somewhere a producer on the other end of the stage...
	You know, it's a travesty they don't play the rest of that clip because I want to see her getting up.
	Yeah, I know.
	It'd be like 10 minutes long.
	You gotta call a forklift.
	That's a whole situation.
	I'm getting up.
	Slow and steady.
	Win the race.
	Not yet.
	No, no.
	No.
	I'll just stay here.
	The party's at the float.
	Well, she's getting down with the sickness.
	I'll tell you that.
	I want to see her crowd surf.
	No.
	You down?
	Oh, I'm always down.
	Yeah.
	All of this is not her fault, though.
	She did think she was getting breakfast at that show.
	Y'all ain't got any chairs.
	Y'all ain't got no biscuits, no gravy.
	Y'all ain't got a buffet, y'all.
	Y'all ain't got no grits.
	It's false advertising.
	I'm going to add you to my class.
	Y'all lie.
	Guarantee she's the kind of person who eats...
	What's that called where it's like a chicken?
	What is it?
	It's a quail.
	A turducken.
	Hey!
	Hey!
	Hey, you want some water or something?
	I don't know.
	Y'all got any turducken back there?
	Y'all got a whole turducken?
	And a...
	Just for me?
	And a dyke.
	I'm getting faint.
	You don't want my ass to fall.
	You know how long it take to get me up?
	I fell in the studio last time.
	Didn't get up till we do the B-side.
	You got an Osterduckens?
	Add an ostrich to that, too?
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	That's mean.
	I'm fat.
	Oh, right.
	Not that fat.
	Now, here's the thing.
	Here's the thing.
	This person is not the craziest lady featured in this show.
	That's true.
	Last week...
	Radically pro-abortion, feminist, exactly how you would think she looks, Michigan State Rep Lori Pahutski, I think it's pronounced, Pahutski from Livonia, in protest of the fascism of Donald Trump.
	You're going to see a clip, so you know I'm not making it up.
	She voluntarily sterilized herself.
	Michigan State Rep Lori Pahutsky says she had discussed undergoing sterilization with her husband for years.
	And then, this year, Donald Trump became president.
	And that made me worried about things like insurance coverage, whether or not all hospital systems would even continue providing that level of care.
	Depending on what came out of Washington.
	So we decided to keep the surgery date and I got it done.
	But Husky fearing the fate of contraceptives after the first administration's effort to roll back insurance coverage.
	I think a lot of people decide if they don't want to have kids anymore that they just would like a more formative perm of birth control.
	A formative perm of birth control.
	A huge push!
	I told you!
	House party between your legs.
	Now!
	You know how it goes from the center to all the legs?
	Can you perm that out for me?
	I want to keep this permanent.
	I want that to be permanent.
	And let me ask you, you can comment below.
	Is this grandstanding, or do you think this woman is actually concerned that Donald Trump is going to show up and punch her in the puss?
	Like, when she's like, hey, hey, look, I'm going to force you to have my baby!
	Long shake!
	What is your fear here?
	No one is talking about doing away with birth control, and you already voted to include, to preserve radically pro-abortion policies in Michigan.
	Keep in mind this broad.
	Calls herself, or describes herself as a scientist, a millennial, and a bisexual woman.
	So you didn't, I mean, half of you didn't even need to become sterilized.
	Her husband.
	What's he there for?
	Ah, he's not.
	She just says bisexual to try and keep him on his toes.
	Like, I have options.
	I have a lot.
	Look, you only have 50%.
	I have the whole gamut.
	Now, it's stupid, of course.
	But we do actually have an inside scoop.
	Her PR manager.
	has been doing some interviews, and we have this one for you in Spanish.
	And I call the cookery, "Risita, come to the kitchen, come to the kitchen, come, that at the 2am they are already here, look, the bath, the shankla, all painted, because I didn't give time to put the bath and the bath.
	I'm going to the beach, I've been up to the sea.
	And I found the bath and I put the bath in the bath and I found it because the bath was on the glass, and I met the bath in the chipion and the fire.
	And when I enter into the restaurant, I see the cookery with the bath and I go to the bath and I go to the bath.
	And I go to the bath and see where the bath will come.
	I came to the bath and I had a few water.
	I had to go to the bath.
	do So Adam We're gonna get letters.
	Funny ones.
	She did it, not us.
	Oh, rest in peace to that guy.
	She is gonna be so pissed.
	All right.
	I guess here, by the way, we're going to have Tim Pool on later.
	We're going to be going a little long today because Tim Pool had a little bit of a scheduling issue for us to match up.
	So we'll be doing a little bit of a longer show.
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	Let's move on to this.
	I hate Europe.
	Just in general.
	Let me just end the show.
	There you go.
	Done.
	Next segment.
	I don't.
	I don't like Europe.
	Tim just freaked everybody out.
	I got it!
	And I'm just at this point where I could even see yesterday when we were talking about Africa where I said, Africa sucks.
	There's no place in Africa where I would want to live.
	Pick a place.
	No.
	People are going like, oh, you can't say that about an entire continent.
	Yes, I can, and I did.
	I don't like it.
	I think it's inferior.
	I would say, and this is where, lest you say I'm a white supremacist, we get into a disagreement.
	Europe sucks, too, to be clear.
	I would take 20,000 pro-capitalism, pro-American, Cuban migrant refugees over one Swede because they're cowards.
	They hit dirty in hockey and they wear visors.
	Now, they wear visors.
	The same goes for Denmark.
	Watch it, Jamaica.
	I think the rest of the world needs to remember.
	We don't care.
	The stance should be, we don't want to be like you.
	We have had results that are different from every other nation, ever, because we've done it differently.
	And we don't want to be like you.
	UK? No.
	Germany?
	No.
	Denmark?
	Absolutely not.
	We don't even really know who you are.
	If Denmark as a country walked into this room right now, I wouldn't recognize it.
	So in response to President Trump's legitimate interest in purchasing Greenland, the Danes have now announced a campaign to buy California for $1 trillion.
	And just so you know, that number is not even close.
	Not even close to what would be required.
	But they did release a statement.
	Saying that they want to bring Danish values to California.
	They said, we'll bring Hugo to Hollywood.
	That's like their aloha spirit.
	It means like spirit of good cheer.
	We'll bring Hugo to Hollywood.
	By Cleans and Beverly Hills.
	And Organic Smallbrook to Ever Street Corner.
	Rule of law, yeah.
	Universal health care and fact-based politics multiply.
	Okay.
	Well, how's it worked out for you?
	They don't even have an Oakland.
	No!
	Oh my gosh, you think a bunch of ultra-white Danes would have any idea what to do with Oakland?
	Holy shit!
	You can't reason with these people!
	What happened to my catalytic converter?
	I don't know what happened.
	I was at the corner batting Luther King and Malcolm X, and after the step light, my car was on blocks.
	All our bikes are gone.
	You tell me that the Raiders left?
	Yes!
	Even their statement only mentioned Los Angeles landmarks.
	You guys know there's more, right?
	Also, LA, not great sometimes.
	Oh my gosh, they have black people.
	What is a triad?
	Let's do some math here.
	This is how absurd it is.
	And this also gives you...
	Pretty good picture as to why America is in the driver's seat and we should be using that leverage.
	So they kind of opened a door here, an opportunity for us.
	Let's do some calculus.
	Ah, shoot.
	What happened, Tim?
	Oh, no.
	He's got a bag of goodies.
	Need help?
	Need some help?
	It didn't unplug, right?
	I don't know.
	Let's see.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So let's look at this theoretical purchase.
	And all the references are available, so we're going to do this like a good account.
	Hold on.
	So, the purchase of California.
	Let's look at Denmark's annual revenue.
	It is $47 billion.
	That's a lot.
	$47 billion.
	California, let's do it by land valuation.
	Let's do it a couple of different ways to see if $1 trillion is reasonable.
	The median price of an acre in California is $18...
	A thousand dollars.
	Number of acres is 105 million.
	105 million times 18,000.
	That comes to, ooh, two trillion.
	About a trillion short, Denmark.
	Just on land alone.
	That's not just a forgot-to-carry-the-one type error.
	Let's do it by a different measure.
	And keep in mind, this is just one state.
	Right.
	Denmark's an entire country.
	Right.
	An entire inconsequential country.
	Yes.
	Let's do it by income valuation.
	Annual California revenue is about $630 billion, let's assume.
	Conservatively, a 5% recapitalization rate.
	That sounds fair, Gerald?
	So price here, if you average it, based on income potential, would be $12.6 trillion purchase price.
	Well, that's...
	Better get to work, Denmark.
	You're going to need some outside investment, potentially.
	I get that it must really bother you to understand that the United States legitimately could purchase Greenland or, you know, God forbid, just take it.
	There's 57,000 people in Greenland.
	That's not even, dude, that's not even El Centro, California.
	No.
	But you guys can't even come close to just within striking distance of purchasing a state.
	And this is the example, again, you see it with trade across the world.
	When people talk about the consequences for the United States, just think of this as an example.
	They don't have any leverage.
	They don't have the purchasing power.
	This is an entire country who, by the way, in the international stage, these summits and organizations, they get to sit with just as much of a legitimate voice as the United States.
	They can't even purchase a tenth of a state.
	One state!
	If you don't trust my word, well, don't take my word for it.
	We actually have another person who did some math on this.
	our very own economist, Feierstein Bad Money.
	Hey friends, Feierstein here, and welcome to another edition of Bad Money.
	Now, I'm not just here to entertain you, I'm also here to educate you.
	So call me at 555-5555.
	Or tweet me at whocares69.
	Now, in response to Trump offering to purchase Greenland from Denmark, the Danes have proposed buying California from the United States!
	Oh no!
	I think this is a smashing idea!
	They say they'll bring bike lanes to Beverly Hills!
	Goodbye car keys!
	And hello, hello!
	Yeah!
	Safety first!
	That feels like hygge!
	Mix that with some California sunshine and a little bit of Zola!
	And you'll be flying high!
	There's too many!
	No!
	I know what you're thinking!
	Denmark?
	Danish?
	Like the pastries?
	No, stupid!
	Those are from Austria, you Nazi scum!
	They're bringing a smorgasbord of new food someday in Denmark, whatever it's called.
	Yeah, they got all kinds.
	They got smar's bread.
	You ever heard of smar's bread?
	No.
	It's like a buttery toast with little toppings on it.
	You can have all kinds of stuff.
	You can have smar's bread with meat.
	You can have smar's bread with cheese.
	You can even have smar's bread with PB&J.
	Now, if you'll excuse me.
	I'll be spending the rest of my day spending all my Danish crones at Legoland until my kids give me crones disease.
	Lesson is we should just take over Denmark.
	Yeah.
	Pretty much.
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	And keep your eyes out if rates come down, too.
	That's something to definitely be on the lookout for.
	Hey, let's go to Vice President J.D. Vance.
	He was speaking in France yesterday.
	And this will lead into our segment on China.
	All the claims versus the truth as to what you've heard.
	They are the next superpower.
	I think they're a paper tiger.
	But we could be the ones who empower them.
	That's kind of what hangs in the balance here.
	So J.D. Vance addressed this.
	But first, let's start with his outlined four-pronged approach on America and the future of AI. This was a great speech.
	Number one, this administration will ensure that American AI technology continues to be the gold standard worldwide, and we are the partner of choice for others, foreign countries, and certainly businesses, as they expand their own use of AI.
	Number two, we believe that excessive regulation of the AI sector could kill a transformative industry just as it's taking off, and will make every effort to encourage pro-growth AI policies.
	Number three, We feel very strongly that AI must remain free from ideological bias and that American AI will not be co-opted into a tool for authoritarian censorship.
	And finally, number four, the Trump administration will maintain a pro-worker growth path for AI so it can be a potent tool for job creation in the United States.
	Why waste camera time on Justin Trudeau?
	I was surprised he got an invite still.
	By the way, he's definitely wearing eyeliner, right?
	I don't know.
	It's hard to tell.
	Maybe he's wearing fake lashes.
	He could just have wonderful eyelashes.
	He has beautiful eyes.
	Fine, whatever.
	You noticed his eyes.
	I get lost on him.
	He did, by the way, number one, he said, we're going to lead.
	I love that.
	The first thing he did in the room full of people who want to be the leaders, we are in charge.
	It's us.
	He justified it.
	He gave his reasoning for it.
	Without mentioning China specifically, I think you can tell who he's talking about here.
	He warned, really, the entire EU about what the future could look like if AI were to not only fall in the hands of perhaps a fascist regime, but if said fascist regime would actually find themselves in the driver's seat because they'd been empowered by members of the EU. This is really important.
	Pretty stern stuff.
	As they do with other tech, some authoritarian regimes have stolen and used AI to strengthen their military intelligence and surveillance capabilities, capture foreign data, and create propaganda to undermine other nations' national security.
	And I would also remind our international friends here today that partnering with such regimes, it never pays off in the long term.
	From CCTV to 5G equipment, we're all familiar with cheap tech in the marketplace that's been heavily subsidized and exported by authoritarian regimes.
	Partnering with them means chaining your nation to an authoritarian master that seeks to infiltrate, dig in, and seize your information infrastructure.
	Should a deal seem too good to be true, just remember the old adage that we learned in Silicon Valley, if you aren't paying for the product, you are the product.
	It's very true.
	When you think of the fact that you are the product, meaning your information, your personal data, and you consider what China wants to do.
	We have plenty of examples.
	You have Huawei, Huawei, Huawei, Huawei, TikTok, DeepSeek.
	I mean, that should be no surprise that it's looking to mine your information.
	It has DeepSeek in the name.
	They will never know.
	The only one worse was Made Off.
	And DeepSeek.
	They have outright, they've refused to answer any queries, for example, or sorry, when you try and put these in, as far as the AI, DeepSeek, they also refuse to answer questions just like TikTok does, or they simply deny it.
	But DeepSeek, if you try and ask DeepSeek about Tiananmen Square, it's like, what you're talking about?
	No idea!
	You talking about, like, Lemon Square?
	No.
	By the way, China, no good desserts.
	Fortune cookie sucks.
	It won't answer anything.
	You ever say...
	If you go to a Chinese restaurant, you plan on doing dessert somewhere else.
	It's part of the evening.
	I don't know.
	P.F. Chang's has a banana egg roll.
	No way.
	That sounds terrible.
	I particularly like it when they mix the sauce at the table for the lettuce wraps.
	They go, do you want more spicy, less spicy?
	It's like having my own little slave.
	It's a real Chinese experience.
	Yes, it is.
	It's not a slave.
	It's fine.
	No, it's fine.
	You've been working on the railroad.
	Go get me some cobalt.
	And he finishes it.
	He goes, oh, don't live wrong, Dave.
	Live wrong.
	It makes me feel really powerful.
	So, deep seek.
	Tiananmen Square?
	Nothing.
	Anything about Xi Jinping, including whether he even exists, anything about Taiwan being an independent country, when you consider that you're often reaching AI with customer service or for product support these days, imagine all of that being in the hands of the communist Chinese.
	Of course they seek to destroy the United States of America.
	They want to be the next superpower of the world, and they want us to falter.
	Why would we give away that territory?
	That's what it comes down to.
	It doesn't make any sense.
	And by the way, these guys just lied anyway.
	Of course.
	They lied about all of this, and I think we're going to talk about that here in just a second.
	But the world bought it for a minute.
	It actually made NVIDIA's stock go down considerably.
	Oh, yeah.
	I think they lost almost a trillion dollars.
	It was either $500 billion or $800 billion, something like that, in the first day of market cap.
	Just one company.
	That's insane.
	And Denmark still couldn't buy them.
	They couldn't buy their decrease in market.
	So let's get into this.
	Let's get into China.
	And I would really like to hear from you.
	Comment below.
	Did you grow up in the era where everyone assumed?
	I know I did.
	And Gerald and I were talking about this.
	It's inevitable.
	China is going to be the world's next great superpower.
	We are going to take a backseat.
	We just need to accept it.
	Get ready to serve your tiny overlords.
	Prepare for the inevitable.
	I don't think that's true, and I'll lay out the case as to why that's not true and why there's been one person who has really been the fulcrum for this shift in our approach to China.
	So last month, a U.S. intelligence report, it actually reported that China is building a new military compound in Beijing 10 times The size of the Pentagon.
	Reference is available.
	Link in the description.
	Every show, we do that.
	Please, don't take my word for it.
	Do your own research.
	Now, their base is allegedly huge.
	That being said, the military equipment is still built by Timu.
	Couldn't use DeepSafe for that one.
	That's cute.
	No.
	And this is just the tip of the iceberg on some of the moves that Beijing is making.
	China, obviously, is trying to come on fast and strong, and they will if they will be allowed, keyword is allowed, to do so.
	As the Pentagon signaled the emergence of the United States as a major military power.
	China wants to cement its military status in the present day.
	On December 26th, China's aerospace sector flew a sixth-generation fighter design for the first time.
	A Chinese artificial intelligence model, DeepSeq, sent shockwaves around the world last week, hopping the free download charts in 140 countries and regions.
	China has become the world's largest car exporter, overtaking When it comes to solar power, China is outpacing everyone.
	Last year it commissioned as much solar energy as the entire world did in 2022. For the first time, it's establishing a new naval outpost in Southeast Asia.
	Launched in June 2022, the Fujian is a massive leap forward for China's navy.
	A stunning show of ambition and innovation.
	Ten years ago, this arsenal was around 50 or 60. It's now over 100. We see them deploying larger numbers of nuclear weapons.
	Economists are saying that.
	Are saying that by 2030...
	China will reach parity with the United States.
	And what I'm saying as an expert in my field is that when you reach parity, you've lost.
	And I know this is me being pedantic and childish, but I don't like taking any type of international finance advice from someone who looks like he wears toe shoes.
	They're good for your souls, man.
	Oh, whatever.
	I'm wearing a long-sleeved t-shirt.
	I'm not necessarily Mr. Formal, but enough is enough.
	This industry is hacky sacks.
	Yes, exactly.
	Frisbee golf.
	Now, here's the thing.
	It always worries me when you hear people in the United States going along with this, because we know the propaganda line, and we also know the intent of China.
	They're very explicit about their goals.
	You can read about them in their state-run media outlets.
	There's your first clue.
	This is written in, I think we translated this, by 2050, two centuries after the opium wars which plunged the Middle Kingdom into a period of hurt and shame, China is set to regain its might and reascend to the top of the world.
	Even though the Chinese government certainly has not planned the timetable and roadmap to become the world's number one, this is a people's war.
	But is China actually capable?
	Of being number one?
	And is it inevitable?
	We've been told that, well, don't let this tin can about to kick hit you in the teeth.
	It's time for some truth fact.
	I meant to say clean truth.
	What?
	We admonished Stephen.
	Truth fact?
	Truth fact.
	That's not even close.
	All right.
	I don't need to be admonished as well.
	Yeah, because you tattled on him.
	No, no, we both do.
	He corrected himself.
	So let's go first claim.
	Okay?
	Claim.
	I just hit an admonish.
	You're a little bit trigger-happy for the admonish and not so much on doing your job.
	Let's try this again.
	First claim.
	China is going to overtake the U.S. economy.
	Just bet on it.
	Well, I think China is a real interesting country, I have to say.
	The thing to appreciate about China is just that there's a lot of really smart, really hardworking people there, and they're going to do a lot of great things.
	This is sort of independent of Chinese government policy.
	They're just going to do a lot of interesting things.
	The thing that will feel pretty strange is that the Chinese economy is going to be probably at least twice as big as the U.S. economy.
	Maybe three times, but at least twice.
	Here's the truth.
	Probably not.
	So let me give you some numbers here on growth.
	Since 1990, China has averaged about 9% annual growth.
	Even two times, they were as high as 14%.
	But in 2023, they struggled to meet the 5% growth target from the government.
	And then in December, Xi banned a top Chinese economist from speaking after he actually questioned an official government report because he believed it was worse.
	Here's what you also have to understand.
	China can't move.
	They can't transition to a consumption model.
	They have a bunch of people who are effectively modern slaves, and they can create, they can support the goods and services that we need in a free enterprise society.
	But at a certain point, these slaves are going to want to take part.
	And for China to move to a consumption model, they would have to empower their own citizens to be able to have freedom of choice.
	That's antithetical to the communist regime.
	So the only way it happens is if the regime topples, or there's a civil war.
	Yeah.
	Especially with their social credit score, limiting what you can and can't purchase, where you can travel, that really constrains the economy.
	It's never ended well.
	It's never worked out long-term for a communist regime like that, no matter how hard they have tried.
	I know that we've been told, no, no, no, they're getting it right now.
	Well, okay.
	We'll get through some of the propaganda in a little bit.
	But some of the giant, by the way, builders like Evergrande, Country Garden, Sunak, they defaulted.
	And part of the story is these developers actually pre-sold homes to pay off debt.
	Never finished them.
	This is rotten-tailed buildings, a term coined to describe unfinished homes in China, where towards the end of the construction, lack of funding causes the entire project to stop.
	In a sense, it does look rotten.
	But it's corruption at the core, where developers create Ponzi schemes to lure people to make down payments, and the fund is used to make more projects and bribe local officials.
	When the money dries up, banks start asking people to pay, even if the buildings aren't done.
	And contractors resort to subpart material or simply In 2022, a survey conducted found over 45% of homebuyers in China encountering this rotten-tail problem.
	That means no elevators, running water, electricity, or gas.
	Jeez.
	Seems like kind of a big deal.
	Paradise.
	So if people are telling you in the media, oh yeah, they're going to be the second or third, or they're going to be two or three times the size of the American economy, and they don't fill you in on that information, what's the motive there?
	Accuracy here matters.
	Why would we want to demoralize the West?
	Especially if it's not an inevitability.
	The second claim you hear a lot, okay, is that, well, hold on, there's like 19 trillion.
	It's just a sheer numbers game.
	China has too many people.
	they're going to overtake all other countries because so many Chinese.
	So that assumes GDP per capita still less than the US.
	But this is to have about four or five times the population, then it would only require getting to a GDP per capita of half the United States for their economy to be twice the size of ours.
	And as I'm sure people in this room know, the foundation of war is economics.
	Thanks.
	And so if you have half the resources So, here's the truth.
	China's demographics, actually, are terrible.
	So, the total fertility rate of China, it's...
	One of the lowest in the world.
	To give you an idea, China in 2022 was one, meaning women have an average of one child.
	In the United States, where we do have a birth rate problem, 1.7.
	70% more.
	And they're at a crest right now where it's really going to prove to be a problem, especially because it's an immoral, godless nation, despite what the Eastern gurus try and tell you, and they drowned plenty of their young girls in the bathtub.
	Or left them on the mountain.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Bitch again to me about the United States and patriarchy.
	2024, the population in China declined for the third straight years.
	And that means you're going to see this pyramid where you have a shrinking work base and they have to support older people.
	It's kind of like what you're seeing with Social Security because you had...
	World War II, you had the baby boom generation, and the ratio now of retirees per workers, just the math doesn't add up.
	No, it's crazy.
	And by the way, they said that that's not just a blip.
	That is going to be an accelerated trend in the future.
	Yes, it is an accelerated trend because birth rates, fertility is low, and that's not going to be fixed when you also understand that people aren't getting married.
	It's a shockingly honest proposal.
	35-year-old Huo Yanbin is here looking for a wife.
	His dating resume details his personality traits, political affiliation, job, and household registration.
	It includes a blunt assessment of his situation.
	Old male virgin seeking marriage.
	Huo is among millions of people in China between the ages of 20 and 40 who have never married.
	If you get married in China, it's almost 100% sure that the guy is going to buy the apartment.
	So the girl doesn't buy her apart at all.
	What if he cannot afford an apartment?
	Then he cannot get married.
	So this is the reality.
	That last guy looks like Mowgli watched the Steve Jobs movie.
	I want to look like that!
	That could be me!
	2024, marriages in China fell to their lowest since 1980. It's down over 20% year over year.
	Also, that is the most Chinese way to try and get married that I could possibly imagine.
	Look at my spreadsheet!
	He had his political affiliations on there?
	How could you have...
	What is it?
	China?
	I mean, I thought there was only one party.
	In the States, we have, like, looks maxing.
	Guys like, you know, I'm not fine.
	Get on a treadmill, go to the gym.
	They're just like, look, I have deed to house.
	I have good family.
	I have good life.
	I am a virgin, and I am a five or six tall.
	You'll marry me.
	Good business deal.
	The only thing he's missing is a picture of him with a big fish.
	Yes, yes, exactly.
	And I have no job because I am here.
	Just clearly a photoshopped enlarged sunfish.
	Look at me, sunfish!
	Sunfish!
	Catch so many sunfish!
	You marry me!
	All the sunfish you can eat!
	Now, I have an apartment.
	No gas, no elevator.
	But many cockroaches.
	Now, young Chinese citizens actually find the idea of marriage too daunting.
	For a number of social reasons, economic reasons, and the anxiety is rising in the nation of China.
	That's the clip I just ran.
	Oh, that's right?
	Okay, sorry.
	I can run it again.
	We'll just run it for like two seconds.
	It's a shock.
	Okay, stop.
	So the marriage rates are shrinking year over year, and that's not the only thing that's shrinking in China, as seen by this international chart.
	Yep.
	Oh, come on!
	Hold on, hold on.
	To be fair, you actually missed one on that.
	What's that?
	Just hit it.
	Oh!
	Well, I will say this.
	The likeness is uncanny.
	Well, I didn't even make the chart.
	That's true.
	I'm a nitty.
	No one made the chart.
	Someone must have taken a picture of me while I was napping.
	I was in the pool!
	No pool.
	That's why he's all wrinkly.
	No pool.
	All Crowder.
	All raisin.
	Put that on my resume.
	Marry me!
	Butter like a raisin!
	No prune!
	Just a raisin!
	Smaller than average penis.
	It was the last line.
	They call me sunmaid.
	At least you're tan.
	Here's another claim, the third claim that you're going to hear a lot in accepting the inevitable, that China is going to be the world's greatest.
	And here's the thing.
	It could be if we keep screwing up and propping them up.
	They claim that our economy, the U.S. economy, and this is a given, is totally dependent on China.
	While Trump brandishes the threat of tariffs like a bull with a bazooka in a China shop, nobody dares correct him on how they actually work.
	Let's break it down in the simplest possible terms, taking tariffs aimed at China as the example.
	Americans depend heavily on all kinds of products from China.
	Smartphones, digital automation systems, toys, media transmission systems, lithium batteries, display monitors, computer parts and plastic goods, to name but a few.
	Any tariffs on these Chinese goods will be paid by the American companies importing them.
	Yeah, we're very dependent.
	Well, here's the truth.
	We don't have to be.
	Donald Trump don't trust China.
	China is a asshole.
	So the people who tell you we are dependent on China understand that this is the result of bad policy as they continue to advocate.
	For bad policy.
	The solution is not to accept your new rulers.
	In my opinion, you can comment below.
	The solution is to put an end to bad policy.
	So right now it is true the United States does rely on China for quite a few things.
	So consumer electronics, Apple, for example.
	They mentioned lithium.
	Tesla obviously reliant on that with batteries.
	Rare earth minerals for military applications.
	Pharmaceuticals.
	But...
	This didn't just happen in a vacuum.
	Washington is largely responsible for this.
	They hamstrung the mining industry with all kinds of regulation here.
	Not to mention, of course, allying with unions who give 99% of their donations to Democrats making production, manufacturing, unfeasible here in the United States.
	So they then outsource for cheap labor.
	And this was done under the false guise that China would moderate.
	They'd become more moderate and they would come into the 21st century.
	Well, we're not actually seeing that, and so it's time to change course.
	Simple things that we could do.
	I know you think this is reductive.
	We could reshore some of the manufacturing.
	We could use tariffs to force their behavior.
	They're not going to become more moderate.
	They're becoming more communist, more fascist.
	Well, let's start with tariffs.
	They need us more than we need them.
	We can leverage some of the advantages that we have.
	So we could have export controls on high-end technology like chips.
	And not just us, but also use our allies, like Taiwan, for example.
	We use that.
	Guess what?
	China has to play ball really, really quickly.
	The De Minimis repeal.
	Make that permanent.
	That's where there's no tariffs on goods, I believe, under $800.
	And they're shipping directly to U.S. customers.
	Shipping directly to U.S. customers.
	Different stuff with the idea.
	Stuff.
	Where they've stolen intellectual property and they just undercut the companies.
	Fake goods, things like that.
	Fake goods.
	Can't control it.
	Everything is tiny.
	When you order it, be sure you actually get the measurements.
	Seems like a personal experience here.
	I have a whiteboard the size of a wallet that was meant for my kitchen for a grocery list.
	I have basters that you can only use for a peanut.
	Yes, exactly.
	I got those too.
	I got an Easy Bake Oven baster.
	No joke, it was so tiny.
	I'm like, what?
	Is this what they use in China?
	Oh, Temu!
	It took three weeks to get there.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So those are things that we can do.
	And by the way, Korea's been very successful in leveraging their chip advantage over China.
	So it's not like this is something that's completely unprecedented.
	Here's another one that you hear, another claim, right?
	a myth that you will hear from those who seem to have a vested interest, and I'm sure we'll discover more in relation to their finances, as far as our public servants, where they will try and convince you, well, here's the thing, too.
	I mean, you may think that we're better than China, but actually China is a very harmonious society, also crime-free, so maybe we should tear a page from China's book.
	Do people feel free to work alone anywhere in America at any time of the day or night?
	Do people have this freedom?
	Well, this freedom, by and large, does exist in China.
	The statistics are absolutely incredible.
	You're 70 times more likely to be victim of a violent crime in the US than you are in China.
	This is anecdotal, but in my seven years in China, not only have I never been a witness or, God forbid, victim of any crime, but I've never had anyone in my acquaintances who was.
	It's a very, very safe country.
	So this freedom from fear does exist.
	Here's the truth.
	None of that is true.
	The CCP just lies.
	So, a recent study found that up to 97.5% of all crime is not recorded.
	Whoa.
	Major killings go completely unreported, unheard of.
	Just to be clear.
	Why would someone be parroting this?
	Well, I think that's a valid question, and usually you can follow the money trail.
	Over just the last year, we've heard a ton of stories, by the way, of these killings, these attacks that are considered revenge against society attacks, in particular using vehicles.
	Jeez. - Yes.
	Ah, that's sad.
	No crime. No crime. No crime.
	Let's be like China.
	No crime.
	They have no crime.
	Why do they have ambulances and police officers?
	No crime.
	2024, there were 19 attacks like the one that you just saw.
	Four times the rate.
	2023.
	These are just the ones we know about.
	Imagine what goes on where you don't have a perfectly positioned camera or the CCP doesn't get to that footage to destroy it before it makes its way out.
	Or you have people like that...
	Was that a priest, what it looked like?
	Or some kind of a pastor?
	Being threatened, essentially.
	If you speak the truth about this stuff, you'll be kicked out of our country.
	Go out and be a good shill for us.
	Now, I wouldn't argue that there probably is lower overall crime because you have a society that is subservient, effectively, to their overlords.
	They live in absolute fear and terror.
	Also, there's an argument to be made that there are much harsher punishments if you commit violent crimes against white Western tourists because they want to keep up appearances.
	You've all heard of, read about the Blazin' Saddles fake towns in North Korea when people visit.
	That's pretty much all of China as it relates to their society and crime.
	If anyone tells you that it's a harmonious society where people look out for their fellow neighbor, they're lying to you and you need to ask why and then question the premise that China is coming, China is coming.
	So they do this around the world in places where big tourist zones, they actually put more police.
	Of course.
	Right?
	They have tougher prohibitions.
	In a place like China, if you really want to see, just go outside of a tourist.
	Yes.
	Go outside of a tourist area and see exactly how it is.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	Here's another claim.
	I think we're in four or five that you will hear from the people who want to beat you into submission mentally.
	They want you to simply give yourself over to the notion that we're all going to be speaking Mandarin within 20 years.
	And they've been saying this really since the 90s, to be clear.
	The claim they make is that, well, okay, not only are we reliant on China, not only do they have the population, but China is actually the world's biggest innovator.
	that's tough to deal with.
	The rise of Chinese AI chatbot DeepSeek has taken the world by storm.
	But it's part of a wider trend.
	Chinese apps are rising up the charts around the world.
	TikTok, CapCut, Xi'an, Timu, to name a few.
	And it's not just on our phones.
	China is becoming dominant in many other areas of tech.
	China is becoming dominant in many other areas of tech.
	I don't understand what that was showing.
	It was showing the face ID couldn't even tell him apart from other agencies, just like Apple struggled with.
	Here's the truth.
	Sure, China is the world's top innovator.
	If by innovate, you mean steal tech and lie about it.
	Donald Trump don't trust China!
	China is a asshole!
	Remember last month we covered this story and we said, well, the most likely scenario is they're lying about this.
	Otherwise, this is going to change all of AI. But we erred on the side of they're lying about it.
	DeepSeek, they claim they trained their AI model for, I think it was under $6 million.
	95% less than anybody else on planet Earth.
	And we thought, well, this would be a tectonic shift.
	Well, there's been a new analysis.
	Turns out the total cost was actually closer to $1.5 billion.
	That is a huge difference.
	If you're going to lie, why lie so big?
	Make it big!
	Because they knew that many in the media would carry the water and tell you, well, if China's doing this for six million and you look at these other companies, well, you just can't be competitive.
	It's the Chinese.
	They're coming.
	The Chinese are coming.
	The Chinese are coming.
	It's not true.
	Time and time again, these stories come out.
	And they're quickly discovered to be lies.
	This is not the first time this has happened.
	Let me give you some other examples.
	2023, you had propagandists.
	They were lying about how Yahweh, Huawei, Huawei.
	I can't say it right.
	I don't care.
	I don't like their silly language and stupid people.
	Not the people, not the citizens, but the Communist Chinese Party.
	Some of the citizens.
	Now, 2023, they bragged about how Huawei, their new phone.
	Was the first, I guess, domestic 7 nanometer chip.
	This was like a big thing.
	They said, Chinese scientists deliver a kung fu kick to the American imperialist nuts.
	Huawei and SMIC, both under U.S. sanctions, have created 7 nanometer chips without the gear from Dutch firm ASML, which shamelessly obeyed the U.S. empire.
	First off, isn't it always kind of funny when anything from China is calling the United States an empire?
	Yes.
	I mean, you actually did have that entire continent.
	You had emperors.
	This country here was founded on not having a king.
	I just think it's funny.
	And they tried to claim that export controls didn't hurt China.
	Well, here's the reality.
	Apple and TSMC, they've had 7nm chips since 2018. Oh.
	And TSMC, they're already, as I understand it, manufacturing two nanometer chips, right?
	Yes.
	So they're light years ahead.
	We've had this technology before.
	And ASML, basically, this is one of those things that we can do to leverage our partners.
	They are the company that makes the equipment that makes the chips.
	They're the only company in the world that makes that equipment.
	And we just be like, hey, just don't sell it to them.
	Yeah.
	Just don't give it to China.
	It's almost like they're more reliant on us.
	A little bit.
	And our friends.
	Yes.
	We're talking about ASML, right?
	ASML. I prefer the ASMR. Chinese ASMR? It's just, yeah.
	Oh, yeah?
	Tiny feet?
	Did you get tiny besta, I said?
	Tiny besta?
	Tiny feet?
	Oh, so sexy.
	Now, the sound of a Chinese lady slurping noodles.
	Yes.
	Oh, you will only have a baby boy.
	No girl.
	Just a baby boy.
	Start banging pans together.
	Here's another example.
	In January of 2024, Chinese military officials, they were reportedly caught stealing rocket fuel, replacing it with water.
	Are you serious?
	I tried that trick of my parents' vodka, and it did not work.
	No, it did not work.
	They lie about everything.
	Right?
	So this idea, they're the ones holding the economic, well, no, that's not true.
	That they have the birthright, they have the population.
	Well, no, that's not true.
	That they are the innovators.
	No, that's not true.
	That we are completely reliant.
	Maybe a little bit, but that's because we've decided to go with bad policy, and bad policy can be changed.
	And the one that really bothers me is if they're trying to tell you that China is in any way a better or more functional society.
	Even discounting the idea of basic freedom, which is kind of foundational to us.
	A little bit.
	Just at the metrics, it's not true.
	It's not accurate.
	And if people are trying to sell you that bill of goods, you have to ask why.
	Because we have gone along with it.
	By that, I mean our public servants, both Democrat and Republicans, even people out there who claim to be conservatives, they've gone along with this for a very long time.
	There's really been only one voice in my lifetime that has spoken up against this.
	boldly, made it known, and has pointed out that the emperor has no clothes, and this very well may be a paper tiger.
	I like China.
	I'm going to instruct my Treasury Secretary to label China a currency manipulator, the greatest in the world.
	China's defaulted with us because if you look at what they're doing with intellectual property, $300 billion a year.
	I mean, you look at what they're doing with the way they steal our intellectual property, our intellectual rights.
	I mean, it's...
	It's crazy what they're doing.
	Why do you keep using this?
	A lot of people say it's racist.
	It's not racist at all, no.
	Not at all.
	It comes from China.
	You know, 70% of the signage on the Panama Canal was written in Chinese.
	That's not right.
	It wasn't meant for China.
	We would kick their ass.
	it's not true.
	One voice.
	Yes!
	In our lifetime, one voice.
	And he was the voice of all the economists of this guy.
	He has no idea what he's talking about.
	He's a moron.
	And now they have to play catch-up.
	This administration with Doge is moving so fast, the left doesn't even know.
	They don't know what to vilify anymore.
	It was like, oh, hold on a second.
	They want to take away your reproductive rights.
	And it was, oh, they want to hide the IRS. And now they're going like, oh, I don't know.
	Something about a mine shaft?
	It's fun.
	They really don't know what to do.
	And I want to see the same thing happen with China.
	I want to see China have to scramble the way our federal government has had to scramble.
	Because it's time to...
	Let's take the wool off from over our eyes and ask why.
	Why has everyone been pushing this?
	So let's open this to a roundtable.
	We're going to have Tim Pool actually on the show in just a little bit.
	Major announcement that he is signed with Rumble.
	Yeah.
	And we'll...
	I don't know if we can say that anymore.
	I think we have a stinger for him.
	We do.
	It's a prop gun.
	I was really hoping it would be more of like, you know, the K-pop song, but, you know.
	There we go.
	Perfect.
	We're going to the club.
	That's basically what it's saying, right?
	Sort of.
	That's the vibe.
	Whenever he walks to the office, someone plays...
	You actually lived...
	Was it in Beijing?
	Yeah, I did live in Beijing for about half a year.
	Tried to do my master's program there.
	How was it?
	Why'd they kick you out?
	They didn't kick me out.
	It was funny enough, it was in 2018 when Trump started that initial trade war when I was there.
	It was October of that year.
	You really saw the tea leaves start to change because there was a...
	Like you said, before Trump really took the wool off people's eyes, there was this idea that China and America were going to be friendly towards each other.
	It would be harmonious.
	China was going to continue to grow.
	We would just have to deal with it.
	But that's okay, because we'd be...
	And then Trump stopped that in his tracks.
	Well, you started seeing the way they treated foreigners change drastically.
	The repression get much more serious.
	And I remember one time in...
	I asked one of the professors, and all these professors were very influential in government policymaking.
	Great, nice people, but he said to me, I'm sorry, I can't address your question as a member of the Chinese Communist Party.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Did you have a follow-up?
	I said, understood, not trying to get Otto Warmbierd, and so I left the country shortly after and went to Korea.
	Were you taller than that?
	Wow, that was it?
	Yeah, except the Mongolians.
	They're tall people.
	Well, that's the Asiatic Russians, too.
	It's that whole thing.
	So, do you think they're going to be the next great superpower?
	Do you think it's inevitable?
	Or do you think what determines it is more so our policy and approach?
	Absolutely.
	I think all of the description that you gave in there is completely accurate in your assessment of us allowing it to happen.
	And I couldn't agree with more.
	The thing about them being a paper tiger, I would slightly push back upon only because our policies failed so long that it allowed them to become not the paper tiger.
	You see the moves that they're making and a really interesting graph just came out.
	if it was The Economist or somebody, but it showed countries around the world that supported China's full annexation of Taiwan by any means.
	Yeah.
	Almost all of South America and Africa agreed with it.
	Really?
	That's only because we have let them make inroads into these continents and these countries for the last 20 years.
	Well, the Belt and Road Initiative.
	Through the Belt and Road and through, yeah, any sorts of loans and diplomatic outreach.
	So, yeah, I think that they have amassed a great deal of power that they are...
	Probably going to use because of what you said.
	I think they are getting more dangerous because they are seeing that they're reaching the peak of their abilities with the demographic problems, with the economic problems.
	Well, I remember we talked about this when the Ukraine war started, where we kind of had a little bit of a disagreement, where I don't know if it was you or Geraldson, well, the Chinese and Russians are not good bedfellows.
	I said, you might see that start to form, and we've definitely seen it since, where it's been an unlikely alliance and might embolden them quite a bit.
	Yeah, and even within that relationship itself, which, you know, up until the last 10, 20 years, Russia would have clearly worn the pants in that relationship.
	Now it's China manipulating Russia, China allowing or not allowing Russia to do certain things, because Russia has become dependent upon them.
	Sort of the way we've let our own economy become dependent upon them through bad policymaking.
	We've almost forced it.
	We've almost forced ourselves to become reliant.
	And yeah, I mean, for example, we use the example, we weren't able to get the amount of mugs that we needed from.
	An American company.
	It wasn't possible.
	So we can have them etched, and we had them painted here.
	There wasn't anyone who could provide the kind of raw materials that we needed, where that's not really a choice of a company.
	Small companies have to use what's available to them, and unfortunately, it's been the result of policy.
	Let me ask you this, though.
	When you talk about power, do we think it's important, though, to separate the CCP and the people?
	I've heard quite a few, and I can't prove this because no one's going to study this empirically, that a lot of the citizens are fed up that if they have children who come here to universities, some of them are trying to send all their money to the states, and as soon as they can, get their tiny asses over here.
	They're not necessarily loyal to China, whereas there used to be a greater sense of that.
	Yeah, and I think you can really see that.
	If you're online terminally, as I am, if you look at the China propagandists, they're always saying about how great China is to live in.
	I retort with why are there so many Chinese trying to illegally cross the border to get into our country and not vice versa?
	Because there is a lot of disillusionment with the government.
	But the government has figured out how to preclude revolution by making sure people have enough money through economic growth.
	Now that the economic growth is starting to fizzle out, I do think you're going to start to see You know, the revenge against society attacks, the more willingness to push back against the government.
	But I think that's only going to, you know, encourage the government to repress even harder the 90s, like continuum and square sort of situation.
	So, kind of on that same track with the economy not doing as well, that obviously probably would hamper their ability to be spending so much money around the world on these development projects and these partnerships.
	Do you think the rest of the world that they've been kind of buying the loyalty from, kind of like the Panama Canal thing, the United States steps back in, Immediately an announcement comes out that they're not going to renew the 2017 agreement that they had with them for the Belt and Road Initiative.
	Do you think that kind of destabilizes them a bit as well?
	I would say to a certain extent, certainly, because if they have less economic means to pursue projects, yes, they're going to pull back.
	But a lot of these economic projects are just kind of aimed at getting conciliatory measures from these countries.
	Giving them huge loans that they're never going to be able to pay back, basically just so they can occupy territory.
	But they can't do that forever.
	No, they can't.
	But you see very clearly in the policymaking right now that the CCP views security and national security above economic growth.
	So they will use repression where they don't have money or where the middle class isn't growing as much.
	And I do think that's going to come to a headwind because look at what happened with Japan.
	They found themselves in a very similar position that China feels that they are in right now and that caused them to act very, you know...
	I would say, not out of pocket, I guess that's what the kids say, but...
	Contrary to their own interests.
	I mean, no, they thought that was their best interest.
	It was a bad calculation after Adam was figuring out...
	Which is crazy, because it's an Asian country, you'd think they'd make better calculations.
	Yeah, they're good at that.
	If they don't, we don't have a shot.
	Let me ask you this, though, because you lived there for a year, and I know you've also...
	Half a year.
	Half a year, but you also lived in Australia.
	You spent a lot of time in Asia, societally.
	What is culture like there in China?
	Because sometimes people are surprised.
	And I know when I was young, I thought, okay, everyone has to fake when Kim Jong-il died.
	They have to fake as though they're sad because they don't want to be, you know, taken on a helicopter ride.
	But some of those people in North Korea actually do believe that he's a deity and that he can read their thoughts and he got 11 holes in one in his first golf round.
	People in China, do they buy into it?
	Are they loyal to the CCP or are they disenfranchised?
	I would say there is a healthy disenfranchisement among a large...
	I don't want to say majority, but a large number of the population.
	But what the CCP has done very well at is over the last 10, 20 years, and especially since Xi Jinping took power, is ingraining this nationalist sentiment.
	of the rest of the world is the one trying to hold you down.
	We are the only people that can protect you.
	And if you look at our historic right, for most of the world's history, we were the powerful country.
	And look at what all these Western powers have done to you over the last hundred years.
	That's over.
	And I think that does resonate with a lot of those people because it's kind of the opposite of what we've been doing in our school systems for so long.
	We were the oppressor.
	We're the bad guy.
	If you look at England, I think we sent in that poll a couple weeks or a couple days ago that like 11%, correct me if I'm wrong, only 11% would fight for Britain and less than half felt proud to be British.
	I'm willing to bet in China that's much higher because the indoctrination has been quite successful.
	Yeah, I would be willing to bet that it's higher as far as people who are proud, but I would also be willing to bet that the people who are willing to fight against that for some type of revolution is significantly higher than in Western nations too.
	You kind of have to pick a side.
	Yeah, I guess there's also probably a big fear, if you look back at the history of Chinese civil conflict, how many people have died.
	That's true.
	Well, it doesn't typically go well.
	It doesn't go well.
	So really quickly, just a quick update.
	Tim Pool is actually going to come on just a little bit earlier, so just about six or seven more minutes, so hang out for that.
	But on this front, you saw it with Russia.
	Russia kind of experimented with kind of freedom, and immediately the people went back to what was uncomfortable but at least familiar and secure, which was, okay, well, at least the government fed me.
	At least the government made sure I had a house.
	At least the government made sure XYZ happened.
	Yes, there were shortages that we had to deal with, and life wasn't great, but it's better than the unknown that you're kind of going into.
	So as far as social conflict goes, I don't see them running towards freedom.
	I see them running to another form of authoritarianism.
	It's very rare for the Western liberalism to work outside of Western liberal things.
	Yeah.
	Outside of, essentially, Europe and North America.
	The only places that that has really worked, I would venture to argue, are places like Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan.
	Right.
	But that's because the United States stayed there indefinitely to make sure they got it.
	Yes.
	And that was only after long, long periods of authoritarian rule.
	Yes.
	So, yeah, I'm with you.
	I don't know if, without an occupation by Western forces, and I'm not saying that is something that...
	No, no, no.
	I don't advocate that at all.
	I would love to see the CCP fall, but if you look at what the CCP is, it's basically just the latest iteration of whatever dynasty came before it.
	And communism is something that they sort of, they say, socialism with Chinese characteristics.
	It's not.
	It's just authoritarianism with government control over what they want to control.
	Yeah.
	So really, we come back to the same solution.
	The only solution is for the United States to enact better policy, that we use our leverage, because if our liberal Western ideas won't work in China, basically, okay, it works for us, and we need to cripple the government of China, and that certainly is feasible.
	Like, it doesn't take that many policy changes to have an impact.
	No, and the one thing I did want to touch on, I completely agree with everything you said.
	Well, don't talk about Chinese butts.
	No.
	Oh, did you see that almost half of Asian American women voted Republican?
	Oh, very nice.
	I knew I was on to something.
	There you go.
	You got a good pool.
	But speaking of Trump, I think in agri, he's done very good things.
	In regards to China, I do worry about his association with Elon Musk when it comes to that because of his market exposure and also just the way that he's talked about China.
	But also, the de minimis thing kind of trips me up.
	Yeah, because that happened.
	He put that in place and we're like, alright, that's a good move.
	They're saying it's a logistical thing because too many packages were piling up at the border.
	I don't know.
	I want to see him make that permanent.
	But then you see certain appointments like in the State Department.
	I think Darren Beatty was appointed to a senior position under Rubio.
	And that guy has said...
	Full force.
	Taiwan will be absorbed by China.
	Not to mention Bergam.
	Yeah, Doug Bergam.
	We all felt like, ah, he's funny, kind of a Muppet looking.
	And then when you look into him, we're like, ooh, this guy is hardline for China, it seems like.
	Correct.
	So I'm not necessarily as worried about Donald Trump because he's been pretty...
	Before he even ran for president.
	You can see him on late night shows in the 90s and on The View talking about the problem with China.
	So let me pose this.
	Maybe Donald Trump is trying to split the difference a little bit here because you've kind of...
	Pointed out, and we pointed out in the show, the demographics suck for them.
	The economy isn't moving in the right direction for them.
	They're not going to be able to spend as much money around the world.
	Repression looks like their only option if they start to run out of funds at home.
	If we go in and start crippling China...
	They do have enough of a military where the calculation might become, well, it's kind of like Japan.
	Well, if we don't strike now, we never will be able to strike.
	And do something to reset the balance of power.
	Correct.
	Xi Jinping is getting old.
	Their economy is running out of steam.
	There's a lot of indicators that say if we're going to do something, we need to do it now.
	So maybe a soft landing is what they're really trying to achieve.
	I do think we need to make it very clear to them if they do anything, it will not go well for them.
	And that starts with...
	Trump does that.
	He does.
	He does that, so that's great.
	But then he turns around and says we're going to...
	What?
	Great in theory, except nobody else makes those in the world, and they also have companies in America building them for us.
	That was a weird one.
	I would just like to see a little bit more consistency, but overall...
	A market improvement from the last 50 years.
	Well, since Clinton.
	He's the only one who's taken a hard stance on that.
	And I think that's a big reason for, I mean, not that I'm pro-union, but the support of a lot of union representatives and people because they were always furious about NAFTA, about TPP. And here we are.
	This is the first time that a Republican, first time any president and it's a Republican saying these were horrible deals.
	The idea of modernization theory, if you open up these markets into Western products and trade and ideas they're going to moderate, like Bill Clinton said and George W. Bush thought, When they put him in the WTO, it's stupid, it's wrong, and Trump saw that in the 1990s, and he's as good as we could have hoped for at this point.
	Yeah, well, and I hope that we start using the leverage that we do have.
	I do believe with the de minimis thing, also it ended up affecting packages not just from China.
	Correct.
	There was a slowdown.
	A slowdown for everybody.
	I had a package coming from Sweden for something, and it couldn't come in, they couldn't ship it.
	So I think it's more so about dealing with those logistics.
	I hope so.
	Hopefully Doge can, where it's like, okay, we want this to only affect...
	Chinese goods.
	I don't think he's necessarily changing his opinion.
	It was meant to help developing countries grow their economy, like a Kenya or something.
	Like a Chinese Etsy.
	Not the second largest economy in the world that has a nuclear triad.
	What are we talking about?
	If someone wants to order a cup holder or something from Etsy, someone out there in Beijing, it's like, yeah, alright, that's fine.
	But then you realize everything is just being ripped off of American companies.
	Have you gone on Amazon lately?
	I was looking for An aerosol sprayer that you could fill with something for when we use cigars here that will create nanoparticles, a really, really fine mist.
	Okay.
	There were 50 bottles that were the exact same with different company names and a price difference of four cents here, six cents there, bunch of reviews with bad grammar.
	It's about gaming the system and screwing the American consumer.
	And I think at a certain point, you know.
	That's going to come to a head.
	All right.
	Lay in the brain, we really appreciate it.
	Thanks for all the work today.
	And we do have Tim Poole coming on.
	So you go when he comes in.
	All right.
	Do we have the man of the hour?
	Do we have him?
	The man of the hour.
	Really, the man of the day.
	Yeah.
	Major announcement.
	It was made last night.
	I've known about it for a little while, and you know I'm horrible at keeping secrets.
	I was like, Gerald, you can't tell anyone?
	Okay, fine.
	But, tell me.
	Tim Pool is signing with Rumble Premium, so let's bring on Tim Pool right now!
	Mr. Pool, first name, Tim.
	How are you, sir?
	I'm good.
	How are you?
	I'm doing fine, except I'm an invalid.
	I have an old man back pillow here.
	So, yeah.
	We're getting about that point.
	Major announcement!
	How long has this been in the works, and what made you decide to make this move to Rumble?
	Because you have a huge, not only subscribership, but obviously a huge media company.
	This really makes Rumble Premium ground zero for a lineup, and it's no small catch.
	What was the catalyst?
	The easy thing, simply, is we were entering renegotiations on ad sales and things like this, which opened the door.
	And this is like the real flat business element of it.
	Oh, hey, we're in negotiations again.
	Our term with our existing sales are up.
	And this allowed us to have a deeper conversation with guys over at Rumble over how we can be bigger and better than we currently are.
	So it's a massive win-win across the board for all of our members for our Rumble Premium.
	And the big picture was...
	We want to make feature-length documentaries.
	We want to make behind-the-scenes sports content.
	We want to do more than we're doing now.
	And the challenge we run into every step of the way is we are an island.
	You know, it's Timcast IRL in the morning show, and it funds everything else.
	And so the conversation that we've had internally that I've had is you can only just be some wandering rogue in the forest for so long.
	We have to be part of something bigger.
	So that, you know, in the event of censorship, you have support network, you have a marketing network, you have access to more events.
	When we're trying to set up events, we want to do maybe like, hey, we want to do a big behind-the-scenes sports thing.
	Who do we reach out to?
	How do we do this?
	Teaming up with Rumble opened the door for a lot of new possibilities in content development, access to new audiences, and it's just a massive win-win for all of us.
	I'll give you some just real simple nitty-gritty stuff.
	It cuts our infrastructure costs down.
	That's an easy one.
	But the most important thing for me was we've been on Rumble for a while.
	We've been posting our videos here.
	But it's been difficult to run a company just totally by myself.
	Obviously now I'm married.
	Allison helps run.
	She basically does all the administrative stuff.
	So she helps run the company on the administrative side.
	And we were basically having this discussion of we're not going to be able to grow beyond where we are as a mom-and-pop shop.
	We have to join with people who have access, infrastructure, abilities, so that we can make more and be a bigger company.
	And that's the simplest form of it.
	So we teamed up.
	We've got our green room show, which is when the guests show up and we're recording behind the scenes and having that conversation, which is raw and unfiltered, on Rumble Premium.
	The Timcast IRL Uncensored show where we take callers from our Discord server is now Rumble Premium as well.
	We just started yesterday.
	We're going to be – our goal is for eight full-length documentaries over the next two years.
	It's going to be a big lift.
	So we may not get there, but we're definitely going to be working on more.
	And then we've got – we're going to do some comedy stuff next week.
	Not nearly as good as you guys, of course, but we're going to be working on sports, comedy, gaming, etc.
	Yeah.
	Well, that's the one thing, too.
	There's a lot of opportunity there at Rumble because it's not just politics.
	But remember, people used to say, why don't you go create your own YouTube?
	Right?
	I mean, I've been here since 2008. And it's like, okay, that can't...
	But now there actually is an alternative.
	There actually is a viable alternative.
	I know YouTube is still this huge leviathan.
	We understand that.
	But especially after election night.
	And from people watching right now, I mean, there is something to be said for you.
	You and I talked about this.
	Gosh, I don't know if it was a couple years ago.
	At some point, there's going to be tip jar fatigue and subscription fatigue where everyone has a Patreon and everyone has a GoFundMe and now where you used to just have maybe Amazon Prime and Netflix and a creator, then it's like Amazon Prime, Netflix, Peacock, Paramount, Max, even though you don't get Westworld, but you get Chris Wallace.
	Now you need Hulu.
	Now you need all of these different subscriptions and it's hard to keep track of content.
	You know, we always wanted to grow into something where it wasn't just, you know, we have Mug Club and a very large, loyal subscriber base, which has sort of insulated us from being canceled.
	But we always wanted to make sure that those people wouldn't feel like they have to decide between multiple creators that they like.
	And being able to get all of this additional content now, where it's basically a lineup, the likes of which really hasn't been seen anywhere else.
	That's what, you know, excites me from that perspective, from the consumer, knowing that you're here and everyone will have access to you.
	Here's something that was cool.
	Last night, we did our first uncensored call-in show on Rebel Premium.
	We had around 13,000 people watching.
	And this is the after show, right?
	Right.
	We ended up hitting 72,000 concurrent viewers, which is above average for us.
	We ended up getting nearly 40% more.
	Actually, no, I think it was like 70% more views on the episode than we normally get.
	Maybe that's just the big announcement everybody wanted to watch.
	But we really do think viewership is going to increase from this.
	But the coolest thing was in the uncensored call-in show, a bunch of the chats that were coming in were people saying, we're Mug Club and we're now watching Timcast.
	Yeah.
	And so easily for us, it's like, oh, OK, so more people are watching my show now.
	That's cool.
	You know, so joining a network is just, yes, this is what you're talking about with the network.
	The people who watch my show who maybe aren't familiar with you are now going to be exposed to your content.
	And this is going to help build a sphere of influence that I think is better.
	Morally.
	Yeah, well, I think so, too.
	And the thing is, too, with Rump, everyone out there knows, you know, Chris has actually flipped the bird to the government.
	Like, you know, he's a guy who's actually, you know, he's certainly been forged in the fire.
	No one can question his free speech credentials.
	And we're all under an umbrella where we don't all agree on everything.
	Like, it doesn't matter.
	It really doesn't.
	Whereas a lot of these other networks that kind of previously existed were top-down.
	That's not the case here.
	I mean, I only knew about it because Chris told me.
	And then I reached out to you.
	I was like, hey, that's great.
	I don't have a say in anything that you do.
	You don't have a say in what I do.
	But hey, people out there can watch all of it and not have to go through five, six, seven different payment systems.
	That's always what we wanted.
	We wanted to, you know, I'm not going to do this forever.
	And I want other people, you know, we need to be building a bench too.
	And hopefully other creators will see that.
	But the biggest thing was the cost.
	I think people leaving YouTube.
	The opportunity cost where they were concerned about viewership.
	This hopefully solves that problem for creators, or at least helps, and it certainly solves some issues for the viewer out there.
	I know that's a big complaint that people are like, ah, I just, you know, $99 is a lot of money to people, and when you add that up over the course of the year with a bunch of different subscriptions, hey man, like, we gotta give them something.
	Gotta give them their money's worth.
	And you know what's changing too, is Spotify launched streaming podcasts a while ago.
	Yeah.
	There's this weird world where advertisers are playing catch-up with how they buy ads.
	And most of these big networks, right?
	So I was saying, we're negotiating contracts with a bunch of different networks that do ad sales.
	And we have some internal.
	They're all saying, podcast, podcast, downloads, downloads.
	But all of a sudden, with the Trump victory and the podcast presidency, they started going, YouTube.
	Ooh, YouTube.
	And I said, what about YouTube?
	These guys are saying, we want to sell against YouTube now.
	And I said, when we sold audio podcast ad reads, you never came to us and said, you want to sell Apple, you want to sell Spotify, you want to sell Google Podcasts.
	You literally just said, whatever your downloads are for the podcast, we don't care what platform it's on.
	So what's changed now with Spotify going video is when these companies came to us, I said, you mean streams versus audio?
	You mean streams versus downloads?
	And they would go, what's that?
	I said, you guys are playing catch-up.
	Spotify's doing video now.
	Rumble has video.
	YouTube has video.
	We don't single out, hey look, on Apple I get this many views, would you like to buy our Apple spot?
	We say, we have a show, we have an audio and a video.
	YouTube, Rumble, Spotify account for video streams as one lump package.
	We say, we average $600,000.
	You can buy ads against that.
	That's where I think things are changing and people need to realize.
	That if you're not approaching your Rumble viewership for us, which is substantial, you're just throwing a bunch of money in the garbage.
	So now, and I've said this for a long time, if you're starting a new show, YouTube is not the place to go.
	And I'm not trying to be biased.
	Obviously, we did deal with Rumble, but I have literally said this for years.
	And the reason is, you can't get monetized.
	YouTube, you're suppressing the algorithm.
	You're beaten down.
	Certain opinions are not allowed.
	Rumble is a new, exciting space, which is more like working with a...
	Although it is massive.
	When I have a problem, I can actually talk to somebody at Rumble, and we can work through it.
	We got, I think, 250,000 streams on the show last night.
	It's been, what, 12 hours?
	So we're looking at a 70% bump.
	And when we put that press kit, that package together, that sales kit for advertisers, we just say, here's our total VOD, our stream delivery, and our views are up.
	This is a huge opportunity that I hope people realize that when it comes to these sales, you're going to make way more money if you're approaching this from a broad standpoint.
	For creators out there, for sure.
	And I'll give you even one more to talk about how behind they are.
	Westwood One had podcast one for a period of time.
	I kind of went through this whole thing where they were trying to sell ad reads.
	And this was, gosh, I want to say 2000. It would have been 2014, 2015 maybe.
	And they go, okay, so it has to be 60 seconds at the front.
	I said, yeah, but we don't do that.
	We cut these commercials, and I put them into the show, and so people don't even know what's a commercial.
	It's meant to be fun.
	They go, oh, wait, you're talking about, well, we don't pay for video, actually.
	We only want audio auto downloads.
	I said, but I just hit skip.
	I said, I just hit skip.
	So, look.
	Then we're not going, this isn't going to work.
	Now industry standard is they ask you to put it a certain length of time into the show, and of course video is more valuable real estate.
	These people, this is the thing, a lot of these industries out there that exist, it's just about making money on what currently exists, not looking toward the future, and ultimately that ends up hurting the consumer.
	My focus is always, how do we give them the best value for their dollar?
	These ad agencies out there and a lot of these networks, they don't care.
	I was just talking about this.
	You know, we have all this stuff to my everlasting shame because if we have to record shows or clips for this show here, it had HBO Max.
	Okay, it was HBO, then it became Max.
	Did you know that you can't get Westworld on HBO? Did you know that?
	It's not available!
	Westworld.
	It's gone.
	You'll get Chris Wallace, mind you.
	His shit-eating grin every time you sign in.
	You know why?
	Because they didn't want to pay royalties.
	I believe they didn't want to pay royalties and they wanted to write it off as a loss.
	So now you can go to Apple TV and pay like 60 bucks or whatever it is to buy Westworld.
	That was the HBO show.
	You're going, what am I paying for?
	These companies are just trying to fleece consumers, try and separate them from their dollars.
	They're not providing added value.
	Obviously far more people paid for subscription for Westworld than Chris Wallace.
	You know, it's fascinating.
	We just launched Timcast IRL on Rumble live for the formally.
	We've done a couple streams during big nights.
	This was the first release, and we end up with hundreds of thousands.
	We had 28,000 peak concurrence in the first night.
	Again, that may be just, you know, hey, they just announced Timcast.
	Let's go check it out real quick.
	We averaged probably around like 21 or so throughout the night.
	YouTube still was much bigger, but we saw a bigger viewership.
	with all due respect to spotify who is this big player where their stock is at like 400 we don't get nearly that much i think we get like 30 to 40 on spotify yeah so how is it that we've been on spotify for so long and that's the best we can do and we want to do better we go on rumble we end up with substantially higher viewership yeah what this says to me is uh i don't know what i'm allowed to say or not say but let me just put it this way
	rumble is in a better position than spotify for delivering the future of podcasts as they have become video and spotify with all due respect i'm not trying to be a dick they're playing catch up to the video podcast platform yeah youtube not YouTube nuked video podcasts.
	Like, morons!
	They had the early iteration of video podcasting, and they started saying, we're going to censor and ban all of these people.
	We don't like it.
	Right.
	So Rumble ends up picking up the slack, and now we can launch a show and instantly have hundreds of thousands of viewers.
	And I'm just thinking about growth as a business, advertising.
	I think Rumble's going to take off.
	Which is another reason, look, when Rumble comes and they're like, we want to work on a deal, and I'm talking to them, I'm talking to my, obviously, my family, my wife.
	And I'm like, I think Rumble's going to be massive.
	I think this is going to be huge.
	I think in 10 years, they're going to rival the biggest podcast platforms.
	And it might be, especially with Crowder, with Bongino, with Rubin, with Russell Brand.
	If they keep making these moves, plus the massive investment they just got from Tether, I don't see how Rumble can fail when you've got Tether investing in it.
	Not to mention the other big backers to it.
	And the fact that they are the ones that picked up video podcasting.
	When these other platforms were dumping it or playing 10-year catch-up.
	Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
	And not only that, but they've done it without compromise.
	And what I see when you talk about those viewers is that it's real.
	Like I notice, and this is, well, you know, I'm not trying to be a dick, but I'll be a dick.
	I noticed you didn't include X views in there because we all know that those views, you can't run for advertisers because you only know that 98% are two-second views or less.
	You see so much of this in the industry.
	People, if you're watching right now, you see these numbers and people will brag about numbers and you go, yeah, but they're not real.
	Rumble is an honest company.
	It's an uncompromising company.
	And hopefully, people watching right now see the moves that they're making.
	I mean, Tim Pool doesn't come cheap.
	Tim Pool values who he is.
	We all know that.
	My point is, right, Rumble is willing to bring in the best people.
	And they don't demand ownership over your name, image, and likeness forever, so you're able to actually be authentically who you are.
	And Chris Pavlovsky, Rumble Premium, will stand in the pocket.
	With that said, Tim, I want to continue, actually, here, our first foray here on Rumble Premium.
	Where's the best place for people to go and sign up?
	I imagine just your channel and click that button.
	If you use promo code TIM10, you get 10% off an annual membership.
	Rumble.com slash TimCast and Rumble.com slash TimCast IRL. Okay, great.
	We're going to continue right here on Rumble Premium and take some chats.
	Tim Pool, stay with us.

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