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Dec. 18, 2024 - Louder with Crowder
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The True Cost of Fat Pride: How It's Destroying America
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This is nice.
Yeah, we don't do this enough.
I know, we used to do this all the time, remember?
God, it's just nice to get out of the house.
Relaycock!
Run for your lives!
No, no, no, no.
No, we're just here to...
Jeez.
This happens all the time.
I know.
I know, nonstop, probably because someone had to show up in full skeleton makeup.
That's not fair.
You guys used to do the same thing.
Yeah, 120 years ago.
It was a fashion thing back then.
It was different.
People were doing the skeleton look.
Yeah, 700 AD called.
They want you to get a new thing.
Hey guys, what do you think about doing matching cloaks?
Ooh!
Oh, that'd be fun!
Yeah, like a clone.
Yeah, I can make patches, see how we like them.
Just make sure it's on a three-piece rock, or I don't know anyone's thinking we're in a gang.
No, that won't help at all.
Freaking crusaders had to ruin that one for the rest of us.
Oh, that ship sailed a while ago.
Hey!
No!
Don't panic!
We're just here to get...
See, you can't talk with these people!
Get used to it.
New normal's here, guys.
Maybe for you.
What does that mean?
Yeah, what does that mean?
Here we go.
All I'm saying, at a certain point, what you get isn't worth what you do.
Okay, come on.
Yeah, we all had to make changes.
Not this sh** again.
Look, forget about it.
Forget I said anything.
You don't think it's because we have hell following with us, do you?
Doesn't help.
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It is the last, well, less standard daily show before the Christmas special tomorrow.
Yeah.
Where, you know, we're just trying to break...
It's wholesome tomorrow.
You can watch it.
It's not even a PG, so enjoy that.
Or don't.
I don't care.
But today, we're going to be talking about...
We care a little.
Dad bod St. Nick's tomb that allegedly has been found in Turkey.
The TikTok ban.
And we haven't talked about this in a while.
Fat pride.
Fat pride.
Virgie Tovar, she was just brought on for the San Francisco Department of Health as a fat pride consultant.
And here's the thing.
I want to be really clear.
There's a big difference between just making fun of fat people, which sometimes still works.
But that and the societal ramifications of telling people that, hey, you know what?
You are oppressed if people tell you that you should, you know, be healthy.
Sorry.
I'm going to hit the mute button because I have a throat thing.
Are you going to chew it now for just a second?
We can hear you.
All of it went out.
Oh, you guys were dubbing me.
That's not fair.
You were dubbing me.
Yay, Mr. Falcon.
We're going to be talking about this TikTok fan too.
Donald Trump is being pretty opaque with it.
What's your opinion on this, on the TikTok, considering that the majority owner is basically part of the communist government?
Do you think it's a free speech issue or do you think it's a foreign threat issue?
And while we're talking about male, female body images and fat pride and dad bod, what's your favorite form of oppression?
And by that I mean your favorite workout, your favorite training workout.
Because it's now a form of oppression.
By the way, so is blood work.
I don't know if you know that.
I guarantee you at some point today, if you're watching on YouTube, you are going to see this.
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Captain Morgan, number two CEO. How are you?
I'm doing well.
How are you?
Good.
We got the Christmas party tonight.
That'll be fun.
Yeah.
I was wrapping gifts last night, so that was fun.
You were?
Yeah.
With the missus.
Oh, you wrap gifts?
I help.
I'm never good at wrapping gifts.
And watched Christmas...
What is it?
My favorite Christmas...
I just forgot the name.
Oh, you're on the ball.
Wow, what a favorite it is.
I've watched Gremlins.
Nice.
Doesn't hold up that well.
Christmas Vacation.
There we go.
Because since everything is a Christmas movie, Gremlins is definitely a Christmas movie.
It is not.
No, no, no, it is not.
Someone's in an argument and you don't.
What was it trying to be?
It's not a horror movie.
It's not really a kids movie because people get shot in the head.
Yeah.
And boiled alive.
But then, do adults want to see, like, hello, my darling, hello, my baby.
It's just silly.
You just sit here like, ah, what is this?
And why is Lil Wayne such a fan?
He's like, is he?
He is.
And really?
Third chair.
You hear this.
You know him.
You love him.
Go see him December 21st.
Let him bring some holiday cheer to your stocking.
Yeah, this Saturday in Tulsa.
It's this Saturday.
Next week I'm in Tacoma.
Back home.
Excited.
Excited for the holidays.
Back home.
You're a Texan now, my friend.
I am a Texan now.
I'm even wearing a Buc-ee's jacket.
Oh, are you?
Yeah.
Not a sponsor.
Just needed a jacket and a pinch.
I'm so tired.
You needed a jacket on a road trip?
Yeah, I did.
I was.
I was...
I'll tell you what, you're all going to need a jacket for this next road trip because allow me to take you on a voyage across the world to Turkey.
Turkish archaeologists now believe that they have actually found the tomb of St. Nicholas.
When we read the 5th century paintings, Like the candy cane walking stick.
The elves found him.
But you don't always eat them with candy cane?
No.
That's just mean.
She's brushing it off with a candy corn duster.
Punking Santa Claus.
So, this is true.
The tomb was...
That wasn't even dirt, that was hot cocoa.
Yes, it was.
The tomb was found buried six feet under the St. Nicholas Church in Demra, Turkey.
Unfortunately, as is often the case in Turkey, it appeared as though this may actually be just part of a revenge plot in that the body of St. Nicholas was found to have been taken.
Ho, ho, ho, motherfucker.
What?
He's getting good work from that.
I particularly like it when there's another Liam Neeson movie out that's taken but not called taken.
Right, exactly.
That's every Liam Neeson film borrowed.
Well, that's a Christmas movie too now.
Yes, exactly.
I see what you're doing.
I see what both of you are doing.
And I'm wearing the new Die Hard.
They just try and make it.
They just stretch it out.
It's like, what do you do, sir?
I have a very particular set of skills.
In accounting.
I'm a conductor.
I train.
The dark past.
Right.
Where are you from?
I'm from Schenectady.
Are you writing the most threatening letter to Santa Claus?
Yes.
Dear Santa, I want a bike.
How much do you value Mrs. Claus?
I don't know where your elves are.
I like him as Santa, actually.
I know he is.
When you're awake.
It's good for the bones.
You better be a good boy.
I left your cookies and milk.
But you did not consume said cookies.
And I've never forgotten them since.
All right, Liam.
Let's put him in the next Santa Claus.
And by the way, St. Nicholas, for those of you who don't know, the inspiration for Santa Claus was a Christian bishop known for generosity.
He was a patron saint of children and sailors.
Weird mix.
I think it's funny that they found it.
Like, where did you find the tomb of St. Nicholas?
It's under a church.
Which one?
His.
Yeah, his church.
Oh, it took us so long to find it.
Oh, I see what you're saying.
It's almost like, I can't find my sunglasses, but they're on my head.
That's it.
Was it like a hundred feet underground?
No, it was kind of protruding from the floor.
The story actually said six feet.
I was like, really?
His body was found where?
Six feet under?
Yeah, obviously.
Where?
Under a church?
Which one?
It was found in the room marked St. Nicholas' Tomb.
We've thought about looking here for hundreds of years.
Couldn't find the right candy cane shovel.
It's never the first place you look until it is now.
They also found a tomb, by the way, under the Church of St. Krampus, unclear to whom the remains belong.
I think there's some signs.
I'm not sure.
My question to you on this topic is, who killed Santa?
The FBI. Can you imagine being the person that does that?
He looked at the cheat sheet.
I did?
You did, yes.
The FBI. Oh, shoot.
I didn't even know.
And or Jews.
Oh, come on.
Oh!
They take out all the best!
Yes, it was the USS Nicholas.
Stop it, guys.
Just let it ride.
Let's not wade into that quagmire.
I'm glad they found the body, though, in Turkey, because I think they were looking for it in Jersey.
I thought this was going to put some pep in the step of all the children who had lost their Christmas spirit.
We have the corpse of Santa!
He is real and dead!
What was that?
Take your 30 pieces of Turkish delight back!
It's just an awful dessert.
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Here's something else that is happening.
So, look.
It's a slow news day, as you can see, by Sanjay Gupta was on CNN today.
The same story.
Talking about brain rot and scrolling.
Again.
It's like, not much.
I saw it on CNN yesterday.
I saw it three times while I was scrolling last night.
Yes, exactly.
Yes.
I was just trying to look at naked girls.
Come on.
It's 2 a.m., Sanjay.
The last thing I want to see is you.
And then every naked lady turns into Sanjay Gupta after that.
Like, you know, if you're on a desert island with a hot dog, you're like, Oh, Sanjay!
It's an imprint!
Okay.
But this matters because we've talked about this a lot.
Everyone talks about their rights.
Everyone talks about their rights.
And yes, we live in a free society.
Rights are very important.
And if you want to know which rights are actually inalienable, meaning your birthright here in the United States, check out the Constitution.
Check out the amendments.
We don't often balance rights with duties.
We used to have a sense of duty.
Funny enough, duty was very much espoused by the founding fathers who were not communists, who were not collectivists, but who believed that a society could only function if people actually took pride in serving their community and their civic duties.
Today we talk about rights, and we talk about rights in the sense of whatever you want to do and everyone else has to pay for it.
So in San Francisco, the Department of Health now has hired Virgie Tovar to be its fat positivity expert.
The name sounds bad.
Of all the things that San Francisco needs, fat expert would not have cracked my top ten.
No, I thought they had plenty of those already.
But they said she is going to advise on matters of weight stigma and weight neutrality.
Let me tell you who this person is.
We have a clip, so, you know, warning.
According to the website, Tobar is a plus-size Latina author, lecturer, and leading expert on weight-based discrimination and body positivity with over a decade of experience.
She is a contributor for Forbes.com, where she covers the plus-size market and how to end weight discrimination at work.
Also, she topped their 30 under 500 list last year, so she did quite over.
Over.
Sorry.
Close.
Over.
That's what happens when we don't write it down.
Oh, the picture's nice.
Also, it's a little misleading.
She actually covers Forbes.
Oh.
That's what she meant.
Oh, my God.
This is not just about the fact that this woman is overweight.
The fact that this woman is advising now a city council, a city department, and the advice that she dispenses is it will put you in a shallow grave.
Not all bodies are healthy.
Not all lifestyles are healthy.
And we have a healthcare...
Well, everyone seems to agree we have a healthcare crisis in this country because so many people gleefully celebrated the death of a CEO of a health insurance company.
You think that a rampant obesity epidemic through choice has an effect on your insurance and your premiums?
I think it has an effect on the mental health crisis that we're experiencing in this country.
So if you ever thought that you were delusional yourself, just take a look here at Tovar's take on...
I don't even know what this means, fat liberation.
If you are a giant fat lady in the United States in 2024, how much more liberating do you need?
You couldn't be more liberated.
Clearly there are no constraints.
Free the pandas.
Let's watch it.
To me, there's a lowercase fat liberation and an uppercase fat liberation.
Lowercase fat liberation is the stuff I do in my life every day to create fat positivity, like putting as much butter as I want on my toes, like wearing a bikini at the beach, finding a sturdy chair, getting a towel that meets me, telling the truth about my experience with fat phobia and feeling heard and Believed.
Not trying to disappear or shrink my body.
It looks like asking for weight neutral care at the doctor.
It looks like wearing shorts and having visible cellulite or fat rolls and not feeling like I should not show that to the world.
Uppercase to me is the world that we create once the culture has decided.
To really finally end fatphobia.
In that world, fat kids are never taught shame.
They're never put on a diet by a doctor.
They never stop learning how to move and eat for fun and for joy.
Well, here's the thing.
I would agree with you that fat kids should never be shamed because we shouldn't have fat kids.
They shouldn't be put on a diet by a doctor because their parents should control what they eat.
They don't have money.
Now, this lady, everything that she just said is wrong, to be clear.
And it's not about, you'll say you're being mean.
This is not about her.
This woman is profiting off of your ill health.
You understand that this is for everyone else watching who may try and actually...
Listen to her advice.
Even worse, people who may see her as affirming their poor decisions.
Let me tell you something.
You follow this, you will have health problems, and you will die young.
Let me be really clear about it.
There's no way around that.
Trust the science.
Remember, this lady wrote her master's on the study of how weight-based discrimination impacted lifelong gender trajectories in women of color.
Oh, Lord.
By a white lady?
I don't fully know.
San Francisco, how about dealing with needles and piles of human crap in your city?
How about rampant crime?
Yeah, Asian hate.
Stop Asian hate.
Stop Asian hate.
Oh, you want to make sure that we study gender norms and trajectories of color as it relates to fat phobia?
This woman also is the author of the book, You Have the Right to Remain Fat, which will bring us to a 7 plus 1 later.
For a limited time.
Anything you eat will be used against you in the hospital.
Yes.
Anything you say, Canada will be used against you in the food court of law.
There we go.
That was nice.
Brought to you by Sparrow.
Every decision's a good one.
But this is the byproduct of, look, shame is, you should never shame a child, for example, for, they don't know better, right, for making a mistake, because then those kids won't make more mistakes, they won't take risks, they won't learn things.
Shame is a tool that should be used for adults who know better and do the wrong thing anyway.
But it doesn't work if people don't have shame because they have no sense of ownership.
They have no sense of duty.
So, this woman espouses a lot of views.
I've gone through her social media, combed through it.
Also, shame only works if you are ashamed.
Yeah, exactly.
If you know you're wrong.
That's how shame is.
You know you're wrong.
That's why you feel shame.
She doesn't.
She's not just advocating bad policies for adults.
At the end of that, I wrote this down.
She said, I want kids to be able to eat for joy and for fun.
That is literally not even close to why you eat.
It's the definition of privilege.
They're just going to tell you it's white privilege.
You think that the Hutu tribesmen on the plains are saying, well, what would be fun for dinner?
I don't know.
Whatever's around.
Imagine a world where you're like, let's go have some fun and play dodgeball.
No.
Let's go eat donuts instead, because that's more fun.
More fun.
Go out and play.
Playing isn't playing anymore.
It's eating.
I don't want to be misery.
It's not where I want you to direct.
Like, a little bit of joy?
Yeah, fine.
Absolutely.
But if you've got a fat five-year-old, like a morbidly obese five-year-old, there's a parent that needs a butt kicking right behind that child.
Because they have no money.
They have no agency either.
They can't go and get food on their own.
You're bringing it to the left.
Is obsessed with abusing children.
Do you understand that?
With drag queen story hour, with transition surgery for children, with allowing young adolescent women to have abortions and hiding it from their parents as a result of state policy, and with allowing and encouraging young children to destroy their health.
So let's get to some of the claims that this expert makes and will be likely dispensing and advising the city of San Francisco.
It's time for a claim truth.
Since that happened, actually, we just found out that due to her, we found MSG is good for you.
Well, everything old is new again.
I don't know if MSG is...
Can we put cocaine back in Coca-Cola then?
Because, woo!
Those were good times.
Yes, it was.
And I believe it was...
What was in 7-Up?
Was it some kind of...
Something.
Barbiturate?
It might have been...
I don't know.
Lithium?
I don't know.
You guys can let me know.
No!
I'm not joking.
There was something in there that was like an antidepressant.
Weird.
Let me get to a claim here.
And this all comes from Virgie...
Do I have her name right?
Virgie?
Veggie?
No, that's not right.
Virgie's Instagram?
There's no way.
She's an expert.
Here's the claim.
That exercising to stop being fat is fatphobic.
Can you bring this up?
How do you decouple physical movement from diet culture and from fatphobia?
It's very, very hard.
In our culture, movement is about erasing and eradicating the fat body.
My body remembers this fact and it takes so much concentration and encouraging self-talk to begin to do to continue.
So here's the thing.
She actually wants to find a way to move and not burn calories.
This is...
She's like, because I want to move, but this is also what happens.
You have these people, it's like, it happens with sometimes comedians or, you know, actors.
Like, I'm the fat comic.
I'm the fat actor, right?
That happened with Melissa McCarthy.
And then people begrudge you.
It happened with Adele.
They begrudge you for losing weight because these people...
Are blubbery fascists.
The truth is that exercising, of course, and getting healthy is not fatphobic.
Exercise will not only help you lose weight, but it helps regulate blood pressure, it helps boost your energy, helps you sleep better.
Obesity, depression are often interlinked, which may explain why this woman is absolutely miserable.
Let's go to another claim that she makes here.
And all references are available publicly.
We put the links up in the description.
She's talking about how you find comfort and how you do this.
Here's the advice from the expert.
She says, how do you decouple?
Okay, here's how you decouple physical exercise from the idea of fatphobia.
She says, flowers help.
Fact check, they don't.
In fact, flower makes you fat.
Comfy sweatshirts help.
Okay, that does if it's applied to the bystanders.
If they're watching you, it would be preferable if you wear a comfy suit.
Better than this one's suit, yeah.
Then she goes on, she says, not keeping a score helps.
All right, let's get to the truth.
Keeping score is, in fact, completely a requirement to improved health outcomes.
You know who never said that?
The winners.
Yeah.
Keeping score helps.
If you want to get healthy, this is not about getting healthy.
It's about feeling healthy.
It's about feeling good about yourself even when you shouldn't feel good about yourself.
What do I mean keeping score?
Okay.
If you want to lose weight, if you want to lose weight, her case weights, you want to lose weight, Calories must be reduced.
You must count calories, or energy output has to be measurably increased to lose weight, meaning you either burn more calories or you consume fewer calories.
It's energy expenditure.
It has to be, has to be tracked, just to be clear.
That is, there's no way around it.
Now, some people have slightly faster metabolism, some people have slower metabolism, some people have hormonal profiles that make them feel more hungry more often.
We all have different hurdles to overcome.
Also, as we're discussing not only energy expenditure, You need to keep score if you want to improve your health.
Progressive overload is the one inescapable fact as it relates to strength training, meaning measurably increase your weight, your repetitions, your time.
Ideally, some variation of the three is what will improve your strength, which is very important as you get old.
It's what will improve your muscle mass if you want to look better, if you want to be more productive, and even bone density, just to be clear.
Not keeping score helps.
Children, Women?
By the way, we don't need to say this to men because if men are fat, they know they're fat.
There are no male fat pride models.
We'll get to the dad bod thing in a second.
Like, show me the male Tess Holliday.
Show me the male virgin.
No, no, no.
Don't take a really, really funny, talented comedian like Chris Farley.
They weren't sex symbols.
Find me the male equivalent who everyone praises as beautiful and brave.
It doesn't exist.
Also, monitoring blood pets numbers.
I know, that's keeping score, but you need it because your heart is...
it's literally keeping score with each beat yes and with oppressive numbers like triglycerides cholesterol certain inflammatory markers like c-reactive protein in other words how can this woman advise a city how can this woman this is the ideology of the left how can this woman advise a city which says don't keep score and that is the only way to improve health Especially in a city with so many hills.
Yes!
All you gotta do is walk.
I know, it's like, you can't all take the streetcar.
Look, we'll just hang a couple of ringdings from the trolley and follow it up the hill.
Which, by the way, has a weight capacity.
Oh no.
You don't want that thing malfunctioning and just rolling down the hill.
This is just, I know it seems, and it's fun, but it's evil.
This is evil.
This is actually evil ideology.
Here's another claim.
She makes this claim.
Weight is not a consistent, reliable indicator of someone's health status.
Okay?
Trust the science.
Here's the truth.
Weight is one of and often the most reliable indicator of health status.
Most importantly, and the reason it's used is because it's the most readily available and inexpensive tool that you have as an indicator of one's health status.
It's not the only one, to be clear.
But it's a very important one.
Your body tells you.
And by the way, if you bend over and it hurts.
If she wants to add context, that's fine.
If you want to take height into account, if you want to take, you know, muscle into account, that's fine.
You know what?
We'll add that to the list.
Of course.
I don't think she's scoring any higher, though.
No one's saying just being...
And this same woman, if you go into Instagram, they bitch about the pharmaceutical industry because they hate Ozempic, right?
They hate any type of weight loss drugs.
They hate the idea of diabetes being a thing.
So they'll talk about big pharma...
What do you think big pharma thinks when they go, wait a second, wait a second.
If someone comes in and says they have joint aches, we can convince people that it's fat phobic for the doctor to look at their weight first?
Oh, so they're going to want to treat the symptom and get them pills, get them pills, get them pills right away.
First thing!
First, diet, exercise, sleep.
That should be the first thing the doctors look at.
It cures a lot of what ails you.
Not everything.
But if a doctor were to bring you into the office and you go, oh my gosh, I have no energy, I feel like I have circulatory problems, I'm losing my vision, my foot is turning blue, and they saw that you were 400 pounds and immediately said, well, let me give you this pill, that is malpractice.
That's why I like Asian doctors, because they go right to it.
I got a big cavity in my tooth, went to the dentist, dentist said, oh, it's because you're too fat.
Eat too many sweets.
I said, it's not sweets.
He goes, oh, too many pork.
Yes, that's more loving, though.
It would be more loving for the city of San Francisco to have hog-hunting helicopters just tranking fat people with Ozempic.
Okay?
It would be a more compassionate solution.
Just get some snipers out there.
That's a huge bitch!
Tagged another hippo!
Shoot her!
Seriously!
Do you need me to say this?
Because here's the thing.
I'm not the expert, right?
Do you really want to do the appeal to authority fallacy?
Do I need to tell you that being overweight or being obese contributes to heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, and yes, even cancers.
A 5-10% reduction in weight improves your chances of not getting the above listed illnesses.
And by the way, it correlates with each percentage of weight lost.
There's no way to escape it.
Right now, men and women aren't a thing.
Right?
It's an escape from reality.
It's about how we feel.
In this case, it's...
No, no, weight isn't...
It's an oppression.
Fat phobia.
There could not be a more privileged leftist point of view in the modern world than fat phobia is oppressive.
Obesity is the worst thing to use that feel argument for, too.
Because you literally feel like shit.
Yeah.
I am a fat man.
I don't know if you know this, but I'm a little chubby.
And some days...
I don't feel so good.
Well, but you're swinging a hammer, so good for you.
Yeah, but I'm not, yeah.
So, we'll get to it.
That's a whole different thing.
Hey, what?
Come on.
I'll show you at the Christmas party.
Old Tripod Josh, they call him.
Now!
Anchors away!
Here's...
Jeez.
You could excavate Saint Nick's tomb Can I say this, by the way?
Fat phobia?
Probably one of the best phobias out there.
Yeah, yeah it is.
You've got a reasonable phobia, yeah.
Absolutely.
I'm afraid of it.
Yeah, yeah, I get it.
It comes with death.
Yeah, that's a good one.
I'll be a Christmas carol like Scrooge.
You'll be visited by one spirit.
It's the ghost of Christmas past telling you to stop being a fat son of a bitch.
You're going to die.
We don't have chains that'll fit you down here.
One more Peppermint Park and you're going to be in that place.
Here's another claim that she makes.
That being fat, and this is where we, is a civil right.
And it's society, which includes, by the way, doctors, lab workers.
You all need to change to accommodate.
It's your fault.
What we want is for society to do the right thing.
And end weight stigma and end weight-based discrimination.
We don't need a medication in order to fix a civil rights and a human rights problem.
We need societal change.
Period.
Okay.
Here's the truth.
You're right.
Most people don't need a pill.
You need discipline.
And here's the thing.
You may say some people have it tough, sure, but any way you slice it, my perspective requires more discipline than yours.
The person's perspective who works to be healthy, they are more disciplined, they put more effort into their life, and they are more useful to society in general than your perspective.
Now, you may have a problem with discipline and say it's a byproduct of oppressive patriarchy.
Fine.
The truth is that life choices have consequences.
Fat is not an immutable characteristic.
By the way, I would also argue transgenderism is not.
That's a choice.
Facilitating yourself into disability is not society's problem, just to be clear.
Here's another truth, by the way.
These people obviously come from the progressive left, where they support socialized healthcare.
That would be a disaster.
Fat pride and obesity cost all of us.
All of us, a lot of money.
Employers and employees, $425 billion annually.
$147 to $210 billion a year in medical costs alone.
Diabetes, heart disease, cancer.
Raises everyone else's health insurance costs, just to be clear.
You want to have no denial for pre-existing conditions with no caps and tell society that it should be fat, obese, and it's just as healthy as being fit?
What do you think the consequences are?
Do you think in any other small village or tribal-like society that fat people existed?
They were eaten.
They were eaten.
You're so fat.
My family's starving.
Let's just change that a little bit.
Guess what?
I work really hard so I can support my family and build a better future for my children.
I now lose that money, the result of that work, those resources, to pay for you.
Where's your sense of duty?
Who are you serving?
Aside from yourself at Golden Corral, who are you serving?
This is the last one.
Lots of servings.
This is the last one.
I'm going to take it serious.
Too many servings.
One in five children are obese today, and they're more likely to be obese adults.
You know what?
This also affects our national security.
This is why we have army ads with some fat broad and two mommies, and Russia and China laugh, and they have people on Ozempic and Dianabol with shredded abs to get their guys to join the military.
68% of active duty members are obese, to be clear right now.
It is the primary contributor to injuries for those in service, medical discharges.
Just to give you an idea, part of the shortfall that we see in the military in 2022 to 2023, the military recruitment, right, they missed their goals.
A big reason was due to obesity.
So in Army, 25% short.
In the Navy, 20% short.
In the Air Force, 10% short.
Do you have any idea how fat you have to be to not be eligible for the Air Force?
No.
Dude, the BDUs, the camouflage uniforms are not coming triple X. Oh, come on.
But it does.
And this is where we are right now.
Like, it's not just about making fun of fat people.
This woman is the public school teacher to your children.
It's all part of the same ideology.
They tell you to trust the science.
By the way, don't even notice, here's the little bait and switch.
A lot of the sources I just listed, CDC, WHO, the science, right?
Oh no, all of a sudden, it's no longer legitimate.
The science is legitimate when we're talking about an experimental injection that could not possibly have longitudinal studies.
It can't possibly exist at that point.
Taking it on faith, that's where you trust the science.
But when you have Measurable, quantifiable, over long periods of time and large populations, data that can be used to improve health outcomes beyond a shadow of a doubt, No, it's about how you feel.
Don't trust the science.
It is evil.
It is evil.
And by the way, it's so predictable.
This is why C. Matheson, if you guys didn't, this was during COVID, C. Matheson doesn't exist, was actually admitted to and praised at a conference for writing the paper in Titled, Embracing Fatness as Self-Care in the Era of Trump, was accepted for peer review.
I decided to write and submit my very own fat studies paper for presentation, and with the help of my brilliant researcher, I wrote an entire essay titled, Embracing Fatness as Self-Care in the Era of Trump.
I then submitted the abstract to the conference, and, uh, oh, did I say that I... Wrote the essay.
I meant to say it was submitted by C. Matheson, a wonderful and totally academically legitimate genderqueer fat pride activist.
Hello, I am C Matheson.
I am an activist based out of Austin, Texas, specifically working with the non-binary and fat community to help increase presence of intersectional and non-binary people with such events in Austin as Women's March, March for Our Lives, most recently the global climate strikes.
My preferred pronouns are she and her.
And they took it seriously.
What a hottie.
They asked to have C. Matheson back.
No.
Like, after it was released, they still didn't catch on that it was a gag.
There needed to be more marches.
That would solve some of the problem.
Like a C. Monster.
And nothing I wrote was stupider.
You're a big fat foe!
No offense to whoever that is.
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Feelings matter.
And by the way, as we mentioned, and please do comment below if this is something that you've run into that you've experienced and how you think it needs to be dealt with.
I think shame is a useful tool as it relates to this.
I really do.
I really do.
And by the way, when I see someone, there's a huge difference between someone who's overweight and working on it and someone who's advocating that everyone else also engage in the practice of putting themselves in a grave at an early age.
There's a huge difference.
I hope you understand that.
And it is a double standard.
We're going to get into the double standard of male-female body images in society at large.
I'll give you a hint.
I think it's actually worse on guys.
Allow me to make my case.
But as we mentioned before, Tovar, or Virgie, is the author of multiple books, including The Self-Love Revolution, Radical Body Positivity for Girls of Color, and You Have the Right to Remain Fat, which actually brings us to this week's 7 Plus 1. This week, 7 plus 1, actually, she wrote other books as well.
Oh, really?
Not all of them were published.
This is 7 plus 1, police-themed fat book titles.
Okay.
As they should be.
Yes.
Number 7, Josh.
The French Dip Connection.
Oh, I love a good...
I do love a good French dip.
That's true.
I want to drink it!
7 plus 1 police-themed fat book titles.
Number 6, Gerald.
NYPD Blue Bonnet.
Number 5. Butter up, boys.
Number 5, Kinder Egg Cop.
That was wonderful.
Number 4, Josh.
Number 4, Bad Boys, Fried or Die.
Oh, the wise-cracking.
Why not both?
Fried and died.
Yes, that's true.
Number three, these are police-themed fat pride books.
Gerald?
Bavarian Feels Cop.
Oh, yeah, that makes sense.
That makes sense.
You gotta put the banana in the tailpipe.
Seven plus one, police-themed fat book titles.
Number two, The Thick Blue Vein.
That's the best part!
That's the best part!
And the number one of the 7 Plus 1 police-themed fat book titles, Stop or My Cholesterol Will Shoot Through the Roof.
The Plus 1, Josh, take us out.
21 Pump Drink.
Hey, that's for this week's 7 Plus 1. You forgot Stefan in the chamber!
21 Pump Drink, that's a shout-out to everybody who loves Dutch Brothers.
Yes.
That's right.
We do have them now in Texas.
I remember.
I think so, yeah.
You know what?
Here, too, I don't want to be somebody who doesn't provide some solutions.
I mean, the solution, obviously, this is largely personal responsibility.
But how about this?
Comment below if you think that this makes sense.
How about we start with, we want to solve the obesity problem.
We want to solve a health problem.
Because I get it, you can be larger, you can be smaller, and you can still be healthy.
How about we limit any and all food stamps, EBT, subsidies, to only healthy or raw ingredients?
Meaning milk, meat, Eggs, fruit, vegetables.
Yep, you can toss butter in there.
I say leave it to raw ingredients because you can find things that are raw.
You can eat unhealthy and have your unhealthy lifestyle, and we're not going to be phobying you or whatever if you want to go buy noodles and cheese sauce.
You make an alfredo by yourself.
It's not the healthiest meal, but hey, I don't think you should be able to buy alfredo candy.
No.
What?
I don't know.
It's a new candy.
It's an Italian candy.
What's my curiosity?
I'll try it.
It's a silky smooth cheese.
Hard candy.
It's a crazy breadsticks candy.
From Lifesavers.
In a lot of states, you can go to fast food restaurants.
Yes.
And then you will bitch about a food desert.
Well, who created the food desert?
I know.
And by the way, before you think we're heartless, look at the number one thing that people buy that are on food stamps.
Soda.
Yeah.
About 10% estimates say go towards soda.
All the purchases that are made.
And by the way, they have lobbyists who then go to the government and say, please ensure that EBT and food stamps continue to be permitted for soda.
Oh, by the way, you know who else is really big on that?
The corn lobbying for high-fructose corn syrup.
It does.
When people say it doesn't affect me, it does.
This is not about what you put in your body.
This is about demanding that we pay for it and the ramifications and the laws that we have that protect what should be very much an unprotected class.
Meanwhile, Big Mike is being celebrated as this epitome of health.
Who's Big Mike?
Oh, Michelle Obama.
Oh!
Wait.
Mikey Obama.
She's not over all tripod Mikey.
Mikey O. Hey, that's me, buddy.
Wait, that's true.
Were you fitness, the black bitch?
By the way, you know who else wants this?
Coca-Cola.
They estimate around 20% of their revenue in the United States comes from people on food stamps buying sugary drinks.
Candy is in the top 10. I believe all the prepackaged chips and popcorn and stuff like that, that's in the top 5 to 7 products that people buy.
It's like, look, this is survival.
This isn't get fat off of eating this stuff.
This isn't getting as much sugar into your body as possible.
A, that's not healthy.
And B, that's not a good way to get calories anyway.
I can come to terms with paying for your eggs.
I cannot come to terms with paying for your soda.
Go sell drugs or something like a normal person.
This is the first time in history...
Where we equate obesity with poverty.
You realize that?
Fatness used to be seen as a sign of wealth.
It used to be seen like, oh, royalty, because they're one of the very few people who get to enjoy the luxury of overabundance.
Now it's associated with poverty.
Think about that for a second.
When you see those commercials of how many people in the United States are starving, you go, but how do you have a higher percentage of poor people who are morbidly obese?
How does that happen?
At what point do you say, hey, hold on a second.
Yeah.
We're going to make this livable but uncomfortable because we want you...
What incentive does someone have if they are poor and they get to enjoy nothing but empty calories and television and phones?
How is that good for society?
And then they want to tell you...
They advise your cities like San Francisco and tell you how to raise your kids lest you be oppressive.
So let's link EBT, any type of food stamp subsidies, to healthy wrong reasons.
Here's another one.
How about a tax credit?
For good health.
People want to bitch about Big Pharma?
Okay.
How about we incentivize people, or maybe it goes into an HSA. Maybe it's a tax break, where if you have a BMI within a certain parameter, blood work, you are actually encouraged to take preventative care measures.
That's one thing we don't actually take into account in this country.
And you know who loves the, we just treat the symptom and throw pills at it.
Well, yeah.
Hey, you hate Big Pharma and you think we're over-medicated, but you don't want to deal with diet, exercise, and your weight?
You don't want any kind of a solution.
You want someone to pat you on your unsquatted ass and tell you that you're fine.
That's where they got their name, Big Pharma.
Yes.
Oh, look, they're called Big Pharma.
They're called Big Pharma.
Rolling down the hill.
I know I can tell that because of the ground shake when they come out.
Yeah, Big Pharma?
Go on down yourself to the swamp, pick yourself up, Big Pharma.
So let's move on to this too.
Is there anything else we can hit?
Let's move on to right now.
This post is generating controversy.
Going on the other side of the coin with males.
This...
Why am I looking at 7 plus 1?
It says, dad bods are the top male physique.
This has 49 million views on this tweet.
This is a dad bod?
That's a dad bod.
Yeah, bring it back up.
Well, son of a gun.
Thought I had a dad bod.
I got a great grandpa bod.
So, let me be really clear here, too.
We just showed you Virgie, and I just saw dad bod.
Now, dad bod is usually equated with someone, especially like after becoming a father, and there actually is a physiological response where testosterone often decreases because they say it might be an evolutionary mechanism to be staying at home or to, you know, have a period of nurturing, but tend to put on a few pounds, right?
So, dad bod is seen as someone who's not particularly fit.
It was not seen typically as a very desirable body type And this is what is being shown right now.
Bring that back up again.
That is dad bod.
If that's dad bod, then Virgie is ant bod, for sure.
Yes, exactly.
Virgie is...
Virgie is barely even human, and I don't mean that as...
It ceases to actually be comparable to other human being body types.
You understand that?
Yeah, if you silhouetted, it would look like an evolution table.
Yeah, yeah.
So, to give you an idea, when we talk about this, and these unrealistic standards for women...
The ideal male body fat percentage for fitness is 14 to 17%, to be clear.
14 to 17%.
If you are too lean, you will actually, your performance will suffer.
Cardiovascularly, as far as strength, we know as far as a man performing at his 14 to 17%.
Okay.
That's not crazy.
That's what that guy is right there.
Dad bot.
By the way, go to the gym right now.
Go to the gym.
Find guys lifting heavy, heavy-ass weights.
Okay.
Regularly.
And watching their diet, not being obsessive, not being a bodybuilder, and ask them to take off their shirt.
You know what you'll find?
DadBot.
You will find DadBot.
That's fine if you think that that's dad bod.
The problem is when there are standards that are hyperly unrealistic for one half of society and basically none for the other.
Women often complain about how they have to uphold these standards and men don't.
I would present to you that the exact opposite is true.
That's exhibit A, dad bod.
But you know what else?
Let's look right now just at the magazines.
I believe these are from this month or the last two months on the stands.
Let's look at women's magazines and the women on the cover of those magazines.
These are women on the cover of magazines.
You have Cosmopolitan, you have Elle, and you have Women's Fitness right there.
Look at that.
You have a pretty good spread there.
Hey, I don't know if you know this, those are all, I would argue, reasonably attainable body standards.
None of them are anorexic.
I know there's airbrushing and stuff on the cover.
It would be, if you were to go into a doctor's office, Anywhere from the 1950s to the 1990s, most women would be within striking distance of that shape.
There's a standard on the women's magazines.
Let's look, for contrast, at men's magazines right now.
Look at that.
Oh, I can get down to that pretty quick.
Yeah, I could, you know.
So in one case, it's just don't be fat.
In the other case, it's you have to be large, muscular, and shredded.
Yeah, on the women's magazine, it's like models.
On the men's magazine, it's the greatest athletes in the world.
Yes, Christian McCaffrey is one of them.
Was he?
Yeah, it's like, I saw Bronny was on one of them.
Men's health is Christian McCaffrey.
One of the best basketball players, the best running back in the league.
Yeah.
I don't know who the other two guys are.
So what, I have to look like Sidney Sweeney?
Well, I have to look like The Rock?
Do you have any idea?
And by the way, one is actually relatively healthy, the generalized female standards.
One is not.
That's why I say 14-17% is the ideal male body fat for performance.
To get what people say they are below 10%, It is very, very difficult to do.
People who are on stages, you know, Mr. Olympia, provided they got their knees for Joe Weider, if they are on the cover, they often involve diuretics, steroids.
These things are not required.
These things are not required for a woman to measure up to the ideal body center.
Let me present to you another exhibit.
So I showed you the magazines that women read.
And then the magazines that are directed towards men, those standards.
Here's something else that's very telling.
Women, the unrealistic body standards, first off, they don't really exist.
And they certainly don't exist because of pressure from men.
Now let me show you the men's magazines that have women right now as pinups, showing what they find attractive.
Shwing!
None of that is crazy or unrealistic.
Marilyn Monroe to Audrey Hepburn to those three right there.
You could go down to the local mall, a restaurant, and barring the new obesity trend, grab ten women at random, and at least half the women would be within striking distance of that.
How many of them do you think look like The Rock or Zac Efron when he was doing, what was that, Baywatch?
You just can't have standards for one and not for the other.
On one side, you have fat pride and all bodies are beautiful.
But here's the reason why you mentioned shame.
It's not going to work with guys because fat guys know they're fat.
You know why?
Other guys told them.
Yes.
Also, mirrors.
Yeah, mirrors exist.
We have a self-regulating body, typically, of men.
You mess with somebody.
You rib them a little bit.
Yeah.
Not because you hate them, because you're like, hey, take some corrective action here.
We're competitive, too.
Things are getting out of control.
It's very competitive.
If I see a guy doing something that I can't do, I'm like, ah, crap, it's because I exercise or I eat too much or whatever.
To give you an idea, I believe average female body fat is between 18 to 28% for women who are aged 18 to 30. Most guys will find you attractive.
Just to be clear, if you are average, Most men will find you attractive.
That's a fact.
In other words, you're a little bit curvier, right?
You're a little bit skinnier?
Okay, fine.
You have a little more meat?
Okay, fine.
They just ask that you not be unhealthy.
And that's not so much the fault of men.
It's because we're hardwired to want to reproduce.
Women ask for, and again, when you're just looking at the hunks who they hold up, they ask for six-packs, which exist only in teenagers and drug dealers.
Or drug addicts.
Do you have any idea how difficult it is, barring crazy genetics, for a man?
Like, if a man doesn't have a six-pack, it's dad bod?
I got to four once.
You got to four?
I got to four pack.
Oh, I thought you said four percent.
I'm like, no, you did not.
No one gets to four percent.
No, I got to a four pack and it took five months in a war zone.
And a lack of food.
It just took Clarissa, what's her name, finding you and Clarissa Ward in a prison.
Josh, it's okay.
It just took being, you know, having hours and hours a day where I don't have anything else to do.
It's very good.
Except for go work out or, you know, a lot of heavy stuff to do all day.
Yeah.
It takes a lot of work.
Yeah, and I'm not saying, by the way, that that...
It's an amount of work that you don't want your man to do, by the way.
Right.
No, you don't.
You're like, oh, I want you to have a six-pack.
Well, you want me to be out of the house and away from you for six hours a day?
Right.
You want me to eat separate meals because you don't want to have protein shakes for lunch?
Yeah.
We have to weigh out the grams of my chicken and my rice.
You want me to do that to you?
Yeah.
You want me to go, oh, that's a little bit too much of salmon for you on your salad?
Can we go out and have fun?
No, I got to get 10 hours of sleep.
We're hitting the hay by 9 p.m.
Yeah.
By the way, it's not even fair to say there's only one type of dad bod.
There are a bunch of them.
There's baby dad bod, there's father bod, there's stepdad bod, there's stay-at-home dad bod, there's Trinidad bod.
That's a different...
There's Baghdad bod, which, by the way, that's not one I would recommend.
No, he's dead.
Not for Baghdad.
He's fine.
I think that was the old guy in the prison cell from Aladdin.
He's a leader.
He's sought after in Baghdad.
He's well fed there.
That's because, you know what?
It's actually not this.
This is just the dressing.
It's my confidence.
Yes, yes.
I'm just like, it's just one of those things like...
Do you have any idea how much easier it is to be a female fitness influencer today on Instagram than it is to be a male fitness influencer?
Look at the female influencer.
Oh, it's a different thing.
It's women who aren't fat.
Who do some glute work twice a week and they wear yoga pants that have an ass stenciled on their ass like the Batman suit.
There are literal profiles that have the word fitness in it and it's a fat lady.
Yes.
There are tons of them.
I follow them.
And the men, it's lighting, it's angle, it's dieting down, it's dehydration.
You want a dad bod?
Okay, a good portion of the NFL would be dad bod.
Every single athlete in the world's strongest man would be dad bod.
The NHL would be just filled with dad bod.
Your gym, the fittest guys in your gym would be dad bod.
Mr. Olympia!
Not on stage, two months later, would be dad bod.
And we have to hear people like Virgie bitch about unrealistic beauty standards that exist exclusively to women.
Women, you keep doing this, guess what?
It sounds like screeching, and guys are going to check out of the dating pool.
Because they're going, wait a second, I've got to be six foot, and I've got to have six feet?
If I don't have a six-pack, I'm going to be seen as dad bod?
And you have a blood-type pudding?
Lay off me!
I'm starving!
It's the biggest problem.
It's the biggest problem.
I'm telling you that this generation faces the male-female dynamics.
And it's because of crap like this.
It's no small issue.
And certainly, look, protect your children.
Guard your children.
Do not let people like this be an influence on your children.
It's not healthy.
It's not right.
And the funny thing is, what is perfectly healthy?
Dad bod, as you see in that picture, is seen as mediocre.
That's mediocre.
That's dad bod.
They're going to replace PE class with second lunch.
Yeah.
Hey, good for that guy.
Soda lunch.
Good for that guy.
If guys put in some work.
Listen, if I get there, I'd be like, that's pretty good.
Yeah, of course.
I could do it.
It'd probably take six months, but...
Anyone would.
I could do it.
Yeah, good for you, and congrats on your work.
It obviously takes a lot of work, and some lady just minimalized it by saying you don't do anything.
Yeah, well...
Dad bod.
Dad bod's the guy, you know, he's not out of shape, but he's not...
He's not like the most physically fit.
That's what a dad bod is.
That's what it's close to me, right?
Because, you know, he works for a living.
He works and he takes care of his kids and every once in a while he does some push-ups.
Yeah.
That guy does push-ups every couple hours, probably.
That guy is training properly.
And by the way, right now, you can let them know, Gerald.
Yeah, 40% off merch right now, site-wide.
You do not need a promo code.
Go get the Die Hard is a Christmas movie shirt.
If you buy the Die Hard is not a Christmas movie shirt, we're going to mail a bomb to your house.
Whoa, dude!
I don't think you can say that.
The bomb shirt?
Oh, like the bomb, like all for one.
Nice shave, nice shave.
You're going to love it.
Don't buy that one, I think is what I'm trying to say there.
But we've got some other ones.
I wore the Santa Claus one, the Santa Trump, that says Don't Stop Believin', out in public, and people just kept staring at it.
Oh, by the way, I wanted to take a chance just to thank, this is not a sponsor to the show, but Easy Meat, some Brazilian guys in Florida.
They were nice.
They sent me...
If you guys are looking for something special, like for Christmas, that you want to try, they have expensive meat, but like Australian Wagyu beef, it was the best food that I've ever put in my mouth.
You didn't even need to chew it.
So it's not, I think they sell like everyday steaks, but they just sent a package, the thank you, Paulo Figueiredo knew them, he set it up because these guys are Brazilians and they're very tribal people.
What's it called?
Easy Meats.
Is that easy or easy the word?
No, easy the word.
Not like easy E who gets to it.
I'm stuck with an HIV needle.
Yeah, sure.
That was Easy E, right?
Easy E was the one, yeah, I got the AIDS. But easymeats.com, and they can ship their stuff too, I guess.
They're going to ship me a prime rib for Christmas, so I'm looking forward to it.
So again, not a sponsor, just good guys who sent me great stuff.
I've never had better meat in my life.
I'm just very enthusiastic.
I still dream about it.
Cool.
Alright, let's go to Trump and the TikTok ban right now.
We're a month out from the inauguration.
This is one that's kind of gone back and forth.
What do you think about this?
Do you think this is a First Amendment issue, a freedom of speech issue?
Businesses can do whatever they want issue?
Or do you think this is, we need to be aware of a foreign threat issue considering the ownership of TikTok and considering the censorship that has taken place?
Full disclosure, I have not been on TikTok for, gosh, I don't know, a year and a half.
Do we find that stinger again?
Yeah, I got it.
Oh, do you have it?
Can we do it?
Let's do it for fun.
Okay.
It's in the map, but I'll do it.
Oh, is it?
Well, I didn't want to wait.
Okay. - I love that figure.
That was fun.
We were allowed on TikTok for a very long time until we said that Xi Jinping had a small wiener.
And we said that he was Winnie the Pooh.
Yeah, but it was more so about the small wiener, I'm pretty sure.
Well, that's statistically accurate.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Hey, stop shaming people, Gerald.
Yeah, exactly.
Stop it.
Not everyone is a 6'4 Aryan.
All right.
So Monday, Donald Trump, and this has sort of lit the internet ablaze, he suggested that she was an amazing guy and...
People have right to be alarmed, but it could just be positioning himself for some leverage.
That's what I'm saying.
Let's play the clip.
Because China and the United States can together solve all of the problems of the world, if you think about it.
So it's very important.
And, you know, he was a friend of mine.
I mean, he was here for a long time, right in that spot, except sitting in a very comfortable chair.
He wasn't standing like you are.
But we spent hours and hours talking.
And, you know, he's an amazing guy.
The press hates when I say that, but he's an amazing person.
And also, by the way, he invited to the inauguration.
Previously, she accepted an invitation to Trump's birthday, so this is nothing new.
There you go.
Yeah, I guess.
Aww.
It's just a party of two?
I love the lettuce wraps.
We don't eat in China.
Oh, what do you eat?
Rat cooked in sour shit.
Gross!
We'll take the banana spring rolls.
Yes.
Look, they make the hot sauce at your table.
That's fun.
They don't.
They really don't.
Well, they mix it.
So...
Trump seems to be waffling a little back.
Do they still do that?
They do.
They'll mix the sauce for you if you want.
Yeah.
It's always weird.
The guy came up and he's like, how spicy do you want?
I'm like, your name is McDonald.
You're Irish.
He's like, I don't know.
I have to do this.
See the horses out front?
That's pretty cool, right?
Yeah, that's pretty cool.
What is that supposed to be?
I don't know.
Is it Asian?
Japanese?
I don't know.
It's disgusting.
That's what you're eating.
Yes, exactly.
And then he was asked about the TikTok ban.
Ben, we're going to get into this.
You know that I have been pro either they need to divest, meaning the Chinese government, effectively, or ByteDance, I should say, the company that holds TikTok.
It needs to go to an American company.
Or, yeah, then there needs to be a ban because of what we know as it relates to collection on Americans, your data, and it being stored and monitoring your points of view.
It's not...
It's not just about a company, it's not an open platform, and this is a potential foreign threat.
So I understand why people are a little confused here.
Donald Trump was pro-TikTok ban, and now it seems like he might be against it.
But again, there is a world in which there could be some stipulations attached that could end up improving the online ecosystem.
So Monday, Donald Trump was asked about the ban, and his answer here was kind of, I guess you could say lukewarm.
How do you plan to stop the ban on TikTok next month?
We'll take a look at TikTok.
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