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Two HHS-OIG armed agents showed up at our apartment, and he's been under criminal federal investigation ever since.
For blowing the whistle.
For blowing the whistle.
And they have never identified the crime, and the amount of corruption in this investigation is absolutely staggering.
Oh, of course.
A German and a Jew walk into the same public square.
I know, it sounds like the start of a corny and probably racist World War II joke.
This is actually the background story of this latest installment of Talking With People.
It's hard to think of two people who would most likely have different viewpoints than these two.
But the more I do this, I find that's the interesting thing about the United States today.
Conventional wisdom or preconceived notions don't always apply.
Making snap judgments or assumptions of someone's individual beliefs or political opinions based off of their immutable characteristics doesn't really work anymore.
And that's certainly on display with these two people as I discussed the current state of America, our culture, and the upcoming election.
Is it surprising?
In 2024?
Not necessarily.
Eye-opening?
Well, I'll let you be the judge.
This is Talking With People.
Hey, sir.
Nice to finally meet you.
I'm following your YouTube channel.
I didn't watch every video, to be honest.
That's better that you don't.
What was your name, sir?
Paul.
Paul, Steven.
Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you in person.
So you're from Germany, but you're an American citizen now?
I'm from Germany, but my wife and I, we moved to the U.S.
in 2008.
And I'm a U.S.
citizen since 2018, so I'm a dual citizen.
So yes, I'm German, but I'm not really the right person to tell you everything about Germany, what's going on there right now.
For sure, to disappoint right away.
How do you like being in America?
I really love it.
We had a brief phase of two years where we lived back in Central Europe, in Switzerland to be more precise.
And after a few months I already noticed I need to go back to the US.
I really love the US.
I love the people.
I love the whole system.
every aspect about it. Every country has advantages and disadvantages for sure. But the openness
Sure.
and also the misconception that we just talked about it here, that it's a conservative country.
Some aspects are fiscally conservative, but central Europe, the German speaking regions
for sure are way more conservative, way more social conservative.
Really?
When you look at topics like abortion, which is one of the points I'm disagreeing with you here, it's 12 weeks.
It's 12 weeks in Germany.
That's where the cutoff is in Germany?
That's where the cutoff is in Germany, and also in Switzerland.
Austria, I don't know right now, possibly the same.
Because it's very Catholic countries.
Sorry, I'm taking over the interview right now.
A lot of people don't realize, sometimes there are issues that are seen as political here.
For example, you have people who have protested for cut-offs further than 12 weeks.
Right, right.
In California we have 24 weeks, which is kind of very far into the pregnancy, if you ask me.
And there are exceptions, too, beyond 24 weeks.
Right, right.
Anyway, I don't want to make this about abortion.
So would you say that's the biggest misconception maybe people in Germany have about the United States?
Yeah, and maybe the people in the United States are also about Europe or Central Europe, although Europe is a lot of different countries that are very different in terms of laws and all that, and societies, but I would say that's a big misconception because the U.S.
is usually ahead on a lot of social issues like gay marriage, for example, was first legal in the U.S.
I agree.
Germany followed much later.
Right.
Yeah, that would be one in which we...
I don't think that the government should be involved in the marriage business at this
point.
Right, I agree.
It's just the whole system is mucked up in the States.
I'm sure we've gotten a lot of that wrong.
So now here as a citizen, are you paying attention to this election coming up?
I'm paying attention to this election.
And to be honest, I don't really know who to vote for.
I just know that I won't be voting for Biden.
That's what I know.
But I'm really undecided whether I should.
Because I don't like Trump either.
So I'm not... I don't know if I... Let's start with why will you not vote for Biden?
Let's start with that.
I wouldn't vote for Biden for a host of issues.
The first thing is, I mean, he's very old.
And then there's the whole, and I mean Trump is old too, but Trump still got it together.
Let's be honest, there's different kinds of old.
There's different kinds of old, sure, so I wouldn't discriminate just based on the age of Biden, but if you hear him talking, he has some bright moments where he's coherent, but there are a lot of incoherent moments, and I don't feel this country should be represented by someone being 83, 84 at some point.
And then the second thing is I don't like Kamala Harris at all.
I think she's super incompetent.
I don't want her to be the president, which would be a very likely scenario with a 82, 83 year old Joe Biden.
And when you're talking about him dying or something, I'm talking about him not being capable anymore and people finally... It's a statistical, I mean, I wouldn't say likelihood, but a very real possibility for sure.
Right, so there's the matter of his age.
Then the debt is a big issue.
I mean, Trump, the other alternative, isn't fiscally conservative that much either.
But the budget that Biden already has unveiled or announced is 7.2 trillion, if I'm not mistaken.
And that's a step in the wrong direction.
So he's giving out a lot of handouts.
For example, his college Student loan forgiveness.
Thank you, student loan forgiveness, which is insane.
I mean, I don't mind if they would change the student, the college system, because they're spending a lot of money for advertising, charging a lot of money, so this is getting out of hand.
Yeah.
So I don't mind if he would pass laws to dampen that spiral of let's spend more money to get more money from our students down or help out... Hold on, don't move.
There's literally a spider right here.
Oh, thank you, thank you.
See that?
So that's an interesting issue, right?
It seems to me like you're pretty well-versed on the economy, or at least I have an understanding of fiscal issues.
If it were me, I would have freaked out.
If I see a spider, I would be insane.
So, the thing with student...
So that's an interesting issue, right?
It seems to me like you're pretty well-versed on the economy,
or at least have an understanding of fiscal issues.
A big problem, you know, with universities here is the amount of government funding they get.
So they're incentivized to make it unaffordable, right?
to make it unaffordable, right?
It's kind of like with health insurance.
For example, I just had an MRI done recently on my shoulder.
And they said, if you pay cash, it's $400.
With your insurance, it's $950.
Why?
Because they say, ah, you know what, insurance, we're going to charge you triple the amount.
And insurance will pay.
It's a third party, right?
Same thing with university.
If they say, hey, it's $5,000 a semester, great, that's what I can afford.
If they say, it's $40,000, I can't afford it.
Hold on, let's see what kind of grants, what kind of scholarships we can get.
So they're leaving money on the table unless they inflate those prices.
And so I agree, the costs are out of control.
I don't know that it's a solution that any government really can provide outside of kind of stepping out a little bit.
Because there's no reason for colleges to become more affordable right now.
Right, right.
Yeah, so I mean, as I said, I don't mind if he damps that down a little bit.
But on the other hand, just throwing out money for people who already signed a contract to get into debt, although I don't like the system around it.
But I think that's also a step in the wrong direction, given the 32 trillion in government debt right now, which is a problem for future generations.
Then the other thing is the border issue.
Although I realize it's an election year and a conservative talking point, but I also see this as a big problem, not just the amount of people that are coming in, but the unchecked amount of people coming in.
So, I mean, do we know if there are some Hamas fighters coming in?
Oh, we know.
There definitely are.
Possibly, and I mean, it's not that difficult to get your hands on some guns and... Right.
What's immigration like in Germany?
Because a lot of Americans, they don't realize how big the United States is, right?
Basically, our states are like your countries.
You know, you can drive an hour, be in another country, any direction, probably be in two different countries.
What's the process like in Germany for immigration?
Do they have a process where they verify people more effectively?
Well, I mean...
As I said I don't live in Germany anymore so I can't really and I haven't really looked into all these issues so I have a hard time commenting on that but people aren't... I mean some throw their passports away so no there's no checking or verification in terms of criminal background because there are probably no records of who they are.
Right.
but it's more organized in a sense that these people get government handouts.
So as soon as you are recognized as a refugee, you get the same amount of money a German
would get when they are basically, well, not unemployed, there are some stages between,
but poor, no income for a long time.
So you would get like, including some help for your apartment and all that, you would
get like about 800 euros a month.
Right, yeah.
So you basically walk into Germany, you get recognized as a refugee and you get $800 plus 200, I think it's 250 a month per child right now.
So you would get a lot of money.
Depends where you're coming from, right?
Sure.
But relatively speaking a lot of money for just... Compared to what you paid in taxes.
For sure.
Yeah, for just being in Germany.
Yeah.
So, I think that's another social issue that deepens or that makes this whole topic more problematic.
Right.
Because people walk into Germany and I mean they are, and this is getting very political, like there are a lot of controversial topic, right, as here, but they're walking through a lot of safe countries essentially to end up in Germany or other Like Central European or Northern countries that have a lot of welfare or benefits.
Right, yeah.
And that's how a lot of people see it and that's also a problem because I don't think that the current younger more left-leaning, I would outright say socialistic tending generation of people in Germany They would want open borders.
They would want a better, bigger social system, so more welfare.
The four-day week with full salary and all that, it doesn't really fit together.
Right.
And so that's a problem.
So you cannot keep up.
And I think Germany is running into a lot of problems.
Energy is getting really expensive.
That's a whole different topic though.
Oh sure.
No nuclear power anymore and the Russian gas and all that.
So the ordinary citizen has to pay a lot of money in energy bills.
At the same time they want to start the electrification of the vehicle fleet or the vehicle market and all that.
So I see Germany running in a lot of problem midterm and long term.
Sure.
So that's why I also have some skepticism about the social welfare state.
I don't think they can afford it for a long time and I mean you have universal health care and all that.
It's one thing that some Americans who I see as also uneducated being from an academic spectrum saying okay they have free health care and it's true to
some extent that it's on a social level I mean the manager the CEO pays the same
if he has a knee surgery like the poor person I mean that's the same here
essentially but you don't have to it's free basically if you don't have money
right That's what I was going to say.
It's very simple.
I was raised in Canada where we do have a socialized health care system and of course it's since collapsed and they've had to open it to private hospitals as they call them in the States.
Well they call them in Canada super hospitals now and here they would just be known as hospitals.
So I grew up there in Quebec with that and yeah the quality of care in Canada was not very good and you still had to pay for 70% of the medications you wanted.
So I think a lot of Americans think it's hold up a government card and you don't pay for
anything and that's not necessarily how it works.
I wanted to go back though, so you said for sure not Biden, but then you mentioned immigration,
these issues that obviously if you look at the polls, people tend to believe that one
of the candidates would handle better.
What is it that still has you on the fence, for example, if definitely not Biden but you're
undecided, which means not Trump.
Right, right.
So I'm pondering if I had to vote right now, I would probably vote to vote as a statistical protest for either RFK, although I haven't looked into his personality, he's still not going to win anyway.
Right, of course not.
Or the Libertarian Party as a statistical protest, which it doesn't help, I know, but although I'm here in the state of Texas, the same as the state of California where I lived before, it doesn't really matter if you vote or not because it's Trump is going to be in here.
Distinctly red, yeah.
Biden is going to be in California.
Anyway, so I don't...
So it's not a matter where I'm saying, like, this is such a great decision for me.
But right now, I wouldn't vote for Trump.
That was the question.
Yeah, because you said definitely not Biden and undecided on Trump.
Mostly for his personality, his persona.
But overall, if you have to ask me, and I know it sounds like a contradiction why I
wouldn't vote for him, I think he would be slightly better for the country.
Right.
probably a lot of German, I have a YouTube channel, a German YouTube channel, a lot of
I'm going to link it to my channel.
Yeah, go ahead.
Tell them your channel.
It's DerStadtBewohner.
Okay.
I probably would have to spell it, but I don't want to waste your time.
We'll have a German guy in the office spell it.
I don't know how to do it.
So Trump is wildly unpopular in Germany.
Sure.
Because also it's like the media there is basically like CNN.
So it's like your whole... So it sucks?
Yeah, so it's, yeah, what, probably, maybe, yeah.
So, well, I think if you want to be really informed, you have to watch both Fox and CNN and all the other media that are either more like on the conservative or on the liberal spectrum.
But the German media, there's the problem that most of them, there are some conservative media for sure, but they don't really care about the Right.
American issues that much. So they tend to focus more on the conservative local
topics. Right. But they wouldn't really report the conservative side of the US
that much. Sure. I mean there are some conservative media who do that but the
the main media what the public media like NPR. Right. But it's just a bigger
thing in Germany. It's like Canada we have the CBC. Right.
So they would they would just report from a democratic CNN perspective. Right.
So just like as an ordinary German, you would only see the CNN perspective of American politics.
That's one of the reasons why they hate Trump.
Probably most people hate Trump or are disgusted by him or whatever you want to phrase it.
Um, so anyhow, um, I think he would be slightly better for the country than Joe Biden.
Yeah.
But just slightly, but I'm not really sure if I can get myself over myself to vote for him.
All right.
Well, what'd you say though?
You say slightly, but what we see is a pretty stark contrast.
Let's kind of take COVID out because that sort of was an anomaly, but the first three years of Donald Trump, Versus what you've seen with Biden economically.
I mean, the border issue you mentioned, you know, 1.9 million crossings under Trump's tenure with Biden.
It's over 7.6.
I thought it was 5.
No, it's over 7.6.
Just the southern border.
Yeah.
Just the southern border.
I mean, that's a huge change right now.
Like that's that's a I would say a stark contrast, not slight.
If the immigration issue is an issue, would that be something that if you kind of spend more time on, you think could maybe veer you one direction?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
I mean, for me, the ship has sailed, so to say.
I mean, in the right direction for me.
mom's also French-Canadian. It's got to grind your gears to go through that
process and to see people, literally registered sex offenders, still get
DACA, DACA effectively, you know, passes to come in here into this country right now.
I mean for me the the ship has sailed so to say, I mean in the right direction for
me, but for me I'm more not concerned but a lot of my German viewers send me
emails, ask me, hey, do you have any tips how to immigrate to the US?
and I would love to live in the U.S.
I'm a truck driver in Germany and it's like, yeah, great, I mean, they're looking for truck drivers here, as an example, but you won't get a visa, so you can never be a truck driver here unless you win the green card lottery, which has a 1 to 50 chance or something.
Right.
So, yeah, I mean, That is a conundrum, right, that you cannot legally, if you have good intentions, want to work, you cannot legally or it's very difficult to legally immigrate to the U.S.
but then on the other hand people are just walking across the border.
Right.
Would I recommend doing that in terms of your legal status here in the U.S.
so you don't have a social security number or it's really hard to get one and stuff like that?
Probably not.
It's easier to steal stuff.
Possibly, yeah.
You just show up here, you talk about free healthcare, you just show up to an emergency room, don't pay the bill, there's no way to track you.
That's a huge burden.
Same thing with social safety nets here, you have people who benefit from those.
You know, we talk with a lot of people here on the street, and that's a big... In America, here's the thing, I'm sure you've noticed this, if someone says, hey, we have a problem with illegal immigration, they say, and by they I mean the left and a lot of Europe, that's racist.
Right, and Americans are afraid to speak out.
Yeah, that term is so overused that you cannot even say something like, okay, 36% of the population commit 50% of the murders, then you're immediately a racist, but it's just a fact.
Right.
So, yeah, but that's the same in Germany.
So that would be called an auto-racist if you criticize immigration.
Right.
If you are not for open borders, which I think is insane from a security but also a society perspective.
One other thing speaking of that probably people would also say since I just said the 30.6% that I'm a racist possibly but one difference in the whole immigration thing is also that what I see here why I don't see this as problematic as in Central Europe is that you have people from a Rather Christian background.
I'm not religious, but on the other hand, culturally, people from Mexico or Venezuela, they, I would dare to say, fit more into the American society.
They have rather conservative social values and it's not such a culture clash at work.
That's what we're seeing in Germany and Central Europe.
A lot of people come from Islamic countries and don't share the same values.
Which I have a critical view on.
I mean, there are moderate people, but I don't know how far we want to get with this.
Probably don't want to go that far because we're on an open street and if you say too much they blow stuff up.
But that's one other social issue that is more...
Well look, the thing is, my perspective is, you have the right, as a country, to say these are our values, and it's fine if you come from a country that doesn't share those values, for example, women, their right to drive, you know, for example, or the way they view civil rights, right?
That's not the same in the Islamic world.
They can stay there and preserve those cultures, but Germany has a right to say that's not how we do it here.
The problem is the guilt that is often, you know, your brow beaten with, and in the States, You're seeing that change with immigration.
A lot of people were... I mean, we've interviewed a couple of Hispanic Americans, and I've seen it's a problem.
And I have family, you know, who came here from Mexico.
A big shift that I've noticed, where I think, like you said, it's so overused that people just say, OK, let's talk about the numbers.
And I'm hoping that that at least carries into the election.
So I know you're undecided, but I appreciate your rational approach to it.
And this... One more time for your... What's the channel?
Der Stadtbewohner translates to The Urbanite or The City Dweller.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No surprise there.
European, you're an urban fella.
Right, right.
I started in German, so it's... You probably come here going, where's the public transit?
Right.
Well, I mean, that's a different story.
I like driving a car, so I don't like public transit.
Right.
Yeah, well, so do I. But I was, again, raised in Montreal.
We're a robust public transit system, but it's terrible.
I'm not a fan.
German cars, you know, they tend to be pretty good.
You got that right.
Not a huge fan that they were commandeered by the Nazis, but so was Hugo Boss, so we take the good with the bad, you know.
Although I would, for reliability, rather drive a Toyota than a BMW or a Mercedes.
It doesn't have the same soul!
But yes, if you want it to work every single time.
The BMW is more fun to drive.
It is, yeah.
I don't even think they have a word for like AAA or tow truck in Japan.
They just, no, no, turn key.
Right, right.
And they get it working.
But it was Paul?
Yeah, Paul.
Thank you very much, Paul.
I appreciate it, brother.
Thank you.
You too.
Thank you.
You have a great day, too.
Yeah, you too.
Those aren't public rec pants, are they?
What pants?
Those pants are kind of like dress pants, but they're more like... So these are poly... Are we still on... No, it's okay.
These are polyester pants.
Oh, okay.
They look more comfortable than jeans.
Yeah, I'm muggy right now, so... I was like, ah, I'm envious of the pants.
That spider almost killed you.
You don't even realize.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was just a little spider going down his chin.
I was like, I'm not gonna be able to focus on anything.
Can I do a selfie?
Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Thank you so much.
Thank you very much, Paul.
Thank you.
I appreciate it, brother.
Thank you.
Sir, I know you've been waiting this whole time.
No, that's okay.
Yeah, hi, I'm Andrea.
Hi, nice to meet you.
Andrea, do you mind if I just grab a sip of water real quick so that I don't smell like a turtle cage?
All right.
Thank you.
Great to meet you.
Hello.
Nice to meet you, Paul.
Thank you.
Be well.
Matthew, thank you, Matthew.
Pleasure to meet you, man.
Thank you, man.
Be well.
So Andrea, I know you've been waiting.
I appreciate you being patient.
But Andrea, we've been asking people here, just kind of gauging the temperature.
Are you paying attention to this election?
Is it at the front of your mind?
Absolutely.
Alright, Andrea, what are the main issues of this election?
Top three, weaponization of the DOJ.
I don't know if that was the one that you guessed.
A little bit of personal experience with that one, actually.
You know, I would actually say social issues.
I think that's a surprising one.
People tend to discount some of the social issues.
But to me, the transgender issue is, you know, top, front and center.
And then immigration.
Okay, like which social issues?
Particularly the transgender issue.
You know, transgender ideology in schools is a huge one.
Gender-affirming care being performed on minors and being subsidized by the government.
Huge issue.
And then I think Okay.
Alright.
I was way off.
I thought you were going to say, because the only white people we interviewed so far were like, we want to make sure abortion is still a thing.
I was like, oh, I bet you that was coming over.
Yes, yes.
because I actually went to Colombia and I'm a young Jewish woman and I work for
the government. Which in my personal, I'm here in my personal capacity by the way.
Of course, yes. You'll still probably be audited. They tend to think I'm a Democrat but that's absolutely not the case.
Why do you think people would, why do you think that is?
Why do you think that young white or Jewish professional women would tend to be Democrat?
You know, I think it's how you're raised. I think it's a cultural thing.
I think it's a lot of the schools that people go to.
I mean, I will say I was definitely in the minority when I was in school on the East Coast as a Republican.
I can imagine.
It's difficult to speak out.
I think it's not a safe space to share your opinions.
And I think that it's just what people grow up.
And women are convinced that the thing that they have to care about is abortion.
And I care about that, too, on the opposite side.
I'm very pro-life.
But I think it's what's trendy and what's I want to go to the weaponization of the DOJ because that's a big one for me.
Do you think that maybe this is shifting a little bit as far as younger Jewish women, considering what we've seen across the country with the protests, the pro-Hamas protests, and what's been happening with Israel and Gaza?
Yeah, which is absolutely horrifying, and I hope so.
I mean, I guess I would hope that people are waking up a little bit about these dangers of this kind of woke left ideology.
I went to Columbia a few years ago.
I graduated in 2018.
I can't imagine being a young Jewish woman on that campus right now.
I've heard colloquially from a few people that the Israel issue in particular is changing their opinion.
We'll say my husband actually used to be a Democrat.
He's very much not now.
But the one issue that sort of opened his mind was that he said that he started realizing his family in Israel.
And he started realizing that the stories that he was hearing about what was going on in Israel from the media and what you actually hear on the ground, what's going on in the world, are completely different.
And if they're lying to you about something like Israel and making you feel something for a terrorist organization that rapes women and kills babies, I can't imagine what else you're being lied to about.
I can give you a couple of tips.
Everything.
Almost everything.
You mentioned the weaponizing of the DOJ.
Now obviously for most people it's been the economy, immigration.
But you said that seems like there's something very personal there.
What is your concern?
So, you know, my husband actually was a whistleblower.
He was working at a children's hospital in Houston, Texas.
And while he was there, the hospital said that they had stopped performing transgender procedures on minors.
And that was absolutely not the case.
He knew that three days after the hospital announced that they were going to stop performing gender-affirming care on minors in response to potential investigations by the state of Texas, They implanted a hormone-blocking device in an 11-year-old girl, which would essentially render her infertile and cause a whole host of health problems that would leave her chained to the hospital for the rest of her life.
So we started realizing, you know, from people that he talked to, from documents that he was seeing, that this was going on.
And so he anonymously blew the whistle to a journalist, Christopher Rufo, for those of your viewers who know who he is.
And so he, you know, everything was completely redacted, reviewed by many attorneys.
But he wanted the public to know what was going on and so he published that story anonymously in May of 2023 and it actually helped sway some votes to ban gender-affirming care on minors in the state of Texas.
The vote on that bill was a couple days later.
A month later, day of his residency graduation, two HHS-OIG armed agents showed up at our apartment, and he's been under criminal federal investigation ever since.
For blowing the whistle.
For blowing the whistle.
And they have never identified the crime, and the amount of corruption in this investigation is absolutely staggering.
Oh, of course.
I've got to imagine you said he used to be a Democrat.
I'm guessing that he thought the Democrat was a party of Snowden and Assange, right?
V for Vendetta, all that shit.
And then he experienced it firsthand.
I think so.
Well, to be clear, he hasn't been a Democrat since he was about 19 years old.
Same as me.
I mean, I think, you know, there's that.
I think I was just trying to point out that there's this tendency when you're young to do the thing that's cool and that seems, you know, sympathetic to the victim.
And I think that's where some of this is coming from, social media.
And I think as you sort of start to learn more, have these personal experiences, you know, have certain issues that, you know, hopefully for a lot of Jewish people, Israel will be one of them.
Right.
Completely agree.
I don't want that.
Are you doing that for my benefit?
real world that people's ideologies tend to change as they get older?
Yeah, hopefully.
I mean, I think that we need to be careful, for example, like the anti-Semitic hate speech
bill that just came through was a disaster.
Oh, completely agree.
Yes.
I don't want that.
Are you going to do it again for my benefit?
Exactly, like who is this for?
I know.
No, and I think it's important, you know, for example, you'll get, and as someone who
obviously supports Israel's right to defend itself wholeheartedly and right to exist,
I still don't think our tax dollars should be going to Israel.
I think that they should have the right to defend themselves.
And morally, of course, we support them, but I'm always a little bit nervous when I see one side throwing out, whether it's racism from the left or anti-Semitism from people on the right, saying, if you don't support this bill, it's anti-Semitic.
I don't think it's anti-Semitic to hold a position that execute every last member of Hamas until every hostage is freed, but you don't need to do it with our dollar because you're your own nation.
No, fair enough.
And I think one of the big mistakes that Israel has made is tying it to the Ukraine funding.
Yes.
So I think we get into this issue of trying to distinguish what I think is a very legitimate cause, personally Israel, from Ukraine, which I don't support funding for at all.
It could be a legitimate cause, but it doesn't require billions and billions of U.S.
It doesn't require billions and billions of United States money.
Are you seeing, one thing that we've noticed today too is we've seen, we've interviewed
some people who were Hispanic and some black Americans here too who did say, you know,
I didn't vote for Trump.
Then we had Trump and we had Biden, and they've seen the contrast.
They're going, I think we probably need to right this ship, and they're veering back.
Have you noticed that in your circles with people who might tend to have historically been Democrat?
Not so much around East Coast liberals, some of our social circles.
But I hope that's the case.
It seems like that.
Trump had a rally the other day of 100,000 people in New Jersey, so I hope that some of those are Democrats who are changing their minds.
Why do you think, when we look at the numbers, it's interesting that some polls have, for example, Donald Trump winning the Hispanic vote, certainly closing that gap, you know, a huge amount in the last four years, and gaining, for example, with black votes quite a bit.
The one area where he's not is white women.
Yes, absolutely.
Why do you think that is?
I think that's a great question.
I wish I knew the answer to it, honestly.
I think it's culture.
I think it's I don't know.
I would think white women would be more conservative.
You mentioned the sex change for minors.
Sorry, I don't use the term gender affirming.
No, I shouldn't either.
You're absolutely right about that.
I don't want to concede that territory.
I don't want to concede that language either.
But you mentioned sports.
And the only demographic, at least last year when these polls were taken, the only demographic that supported biological males competing in women's sports as a majority was white American females.
You didn't even see it with Hispanic females.
You didn't see it with, I think it was pretty evenly split with black females depending on the poll, but certainly not white males and no males of any race.
Exclusively white females, white liberal females, well white females as a whole, supported biological men and women's sports.
Why?
Why do you think that is?
I honestly don't have an answer for you because it's me.
It's shocking.
I can't even imagine, especially, you know, I'm having a baby in a few months, so I cannot even imagine wanting her to compete against biological men in sports.
So I unfortunately cannot explain it.
What do your female friends say when you talk with them about this?
You know, a lot of my female friends don't agree with me.
You know, I think I think others just want to be nice.
I think my liberal female friends think that it's the nice thing to do to use the pronouns, to give them the health care, to allow men and women sports.
I think that's what it ultimately comes down to, is that they think theirs is the nice, humane position, and everyone else is a transphobe, which is absolutely ludicrous to me.
I would agree.
The immigration issue.
So that's one that everyone else has discussed here today.
It's a big issue.
Usually top two issues right now are economy, immigration.
Some people say the state of democracy.
I don't really have a clear answer as to what that means.
How do you view the immigration issue here in the United States?
What's the biggest problem?
I mean, I think the number of, you know, illegal immigrants and the burden on the state that we're having and crime.
I mean, you know, personally, as somebody who lives in Texas, lives in a border state, the growing levels of crime absolutely terrify me.
Yeah, 7.6 million is what it is now under Biden.
7.6, just the southern border.
And almost 3 million this year, I think?
Yes, over 3 million this year alone.
So imagine, take that, and if you were to add another 4 years, that could fundamentally change states if you just have no voter ID forever.
Absolutely.
You don't get it back.
Yeah, there's your state of democracy.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
So, I think I know how you're lining up to vote.
Do you have these conversations with your friends who are more liberal?
Or do you try to be more agreeable with them?
I think I would say, you know, we tend to not talk politics.
I think they know how I feel, I know how they feel, so we try not to.
But, you know, personally I'm voting for Trump.
Would you be willing to change that a little bit going into this election?
Talk to them about it more?
You know I should.
Because they're only going to listen to you.
You know if anyone like me or any of these lugs says something like, straight white male, privilege, shut up.
Yeah, well, I'll try to.
And certainly, like I said, I was telling you a little bit about my husband's story, speaking out, getting that story out, having people understand what's going on, has definitely been a priority for us.
So I can certainly talk about it more.
Well, Andrea, I really appreciate it.
And congratulations on the pun in the oven.
You're not showing at all.
You're going to be one of those people that just looks like a beach ball, right?
Yeah, probably.
Thank you very much.
And tell your husband Godspeed.
I know that's not easy.
It turns out that you may gain some new perspective as well as provide some for other people out there regardless of the chasm that you think may exist between you both politically.
There really is a lot of good that can come from just getting out there and talking with people.
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