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May 9, 2024 - Louder with Crowder

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Bradley Martyn and Vitaly's Hollywood Pedo Bust Goes Wrong! Guests: Alex Rosen | Vivek Ramaswamy

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	I don't think Joe Biden knows what he's doing.
	A physically inappropriate politician.
	He's at the point where he gropes every person that walks by.
	Reeks havoc on the lives of his voters.
	At first I thought it was cool, but then he started kissing my neck and sniffing me.
	This Joe Biden was clearly out of control, and it was time for someone to do something about it.
	Quarter person of color Garrett and his co-worker Maddie have been dealing with
	a politician with no respect for boundaries or personal space.
	Hey, Corner Black!
	Hey.
	What seems to be the problem?
	Well, it's Joe Biden here.
	He won't stop sniffing and kissing people.
	It's a real problem.
	I've done everything.
	I don't know what to do.
	Okay, see, the first thing you did is right now, you're very tense.
	You're giving off that energy and you actually encouraged that behavior.
	I encouraged it?
	That's right.
	Okay.
	Oh, what do I do?
	The first thing we need you to do Is get your Joe Biden to a calm, relaxed state.
	And we're gonna do that with no talk, no touch, no eye contact.
	Okay?
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	It's okay to drop the leash.
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	I see what I did is I do a small correction when Joe Biden goes in to kiss my...
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	I'm stopping the brain from escalating to a state of sexual assault.
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	I just feel bad for him.
	I don't think Joe Biden knows what he's doing.
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	No?
	Come assertive!
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	Hey!
	See this, the corner black, is giving off a tense energy and escalating.
	He's asking himself, is Joe Biden gonna kiss my neck?
	Is he gonna make a hair puppet?
	And Joe Biden is already escalating his energy to match.
	And he's rubbing shoulders and kissing the faces.
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	stranger Hey,
	that's called a rush ship rush cut okay great
	It's a rushed sip because I just found out before going on air that we actually have two guests today.
	We have the OG pedophile poacher Alex Rosen on the show and we also will have Vivek Ramaswamy.
	So I'll bring up the rundown but it's not entirely relevant because this will probably veer off course quite quickly.
	We'll be talking about the interview with Ann Coulter and Vivek, he's Indian.
	And we will be talking about the predator catching gone wrong with Bradley Martin and Vitale.
	You know, they did something similar to what Alex Rosen does and catching pedophiles.
	I'm pro catching pedophiles.
	Yes.
	My problem is I'm anti doing it for clout in a way that lets them get off scot-free.
	Yeah.
	And so we'll be going through these clips and talking and a really good discussion.
	I mean, not that I didn't already had a lot of respect for Ann Coulter.
	And Vivek.
	Full disclosure, I've spent quite a bit of time with both of them at different periods of my life.
	But I gained more respect.
	Or they gained more of my respect.
	Not that they care.
	They're not sitting there going, I hope Steven Crowder respects me.
	I thought it was a good interview, even though they talked about race and a lot of people will say that it was white supremacy.
	So, let me ask you what you thought of that interview, and, um...
	At any point during the show, you're watching on YouTube and you see this?
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	All right.
	Number two, Captain Morgan, CEO.
	How are you?
	I'm doing well.
	How are you?
	I'm good.
	I just want to make sure I get this... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Let's just... Road on the show, as it were.
	No, I did it.
	I know what I did.
	Okay.
	When you hear this, you know him.
	You love him.
	He's not the guy who demands you thank him for his service.
	Okay, it kind of bothers him, but I feel like I have to keep it going because I appreciate his service, but he's modest.
	So thank him for his service.
	You can follow him at jfirestein.com and his special American on Mug Club.
	How are you, sir?
	I'm good.
	You can't steal my gratitude.
	No, I can't.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	And I'm grateful for it.
	And I deserve it.
	I'm doing good, though.
	I had a pretty good day yesterday.
	Am I allowed to... Yeah, so Afro Man, because his flight was... he was late.
	He was supposed to be on the show.
	He was late.
	And so you pre-taped a show with him.
	Yes, we pre-taped a show.
	We kept it very sober.
	And yeah, got some good fashion advice.
	Got some good rapping advice.
	Yes, you did.
	So watch out, rap community.
	I'm coming.
	Yeah, he's coming for you.
	You don't necessarily need to watch your six.
	Also, funny, because he has a good sense of humor, I don't think he will mind.
	This actually happened.
	He was supposed to be on the show yesterday.
	Afro man.
	First name Afro, last name man.
	And he showed up late, and we always ask people who come in there, guests, we want to be good hosts, what is it you would like us to get for you?
	Fried chicken.
	So he showed up late, but brought his own fried chicken in addition to the fried chicken that we had prepared for him.
	Well, his plane was delayed, to be fair.
	Yeah, that was not his fault.
	Not his fault at all.
	To be fair.
	So I get it.
	Maybe he thinks, okay, they're on top of it, they're going to have warm chicken for me, flight delayed, now the chicken's probably going to be cold.
	Ah, that makes sense.
	So I better grab my own, because I don't want to be rude and have to say, no, I'll give you something else.
	Right.
	No, that's true.
	It doesn't explain the...
	Watermelon.
	Just kidding, he did not.
	He did ask for fruit punch Snapple, though.
	Yes, that's pretty close.
	He actually did!
	He actually did!
	You know, that's more of a palate cleanse from the Colt .45.
	That actually happened!
	It's all true.
	And you know what?
	It was a lot of fun.
	Gerald got to talk with him about faith, and I was not there because, well, I had a Ridley Scott creature growing inside of my stomach, but I think I'm mostly better now.
	All right!
	You got it out, right?
	Let's move on to this.
	This is the best guerrilla training video since the Taliban with the monkey bars.
	Nothing's better than that, come on!
	Did you see Monkey Bars on Battlefield?
	Yes, exactly.
	That was the worst part about the war, I'll tell you that.
	Was the Monkey Bars?
	They just put them up like those iron crosses on the beaches of Normandy, like, put up the Monkey Bars, it's an obstacle.
	It's a country of mostly Monkey Bars and sand.
	And the funny thing is, we Americans are also better at Monkey Bars than the Taliban.
	That's so much better!
	And they do it all day!
	Send in the CrossFit Brigade!
	So, these pro-Hamas protesters, of course, have been starting trouble across the country.
	Thousands of arrests at this point.
	I believe it was 2,700.
	Yeah, we have this in the New York Times.
	2,700 arrests on campus since April 18th.
	But that's not stopping them because these professional pricks at Emory University were caught by a drone training on how to fight the riot police.
	I use the term training very loosely.
	♪ Was this the band practice?
	Yeah.
	March!
	Oh, what happened?
	You got a break in the formation?
	Oh, look at him!
	I half expect him to have, like, one of those parachutes in the school ground.
	Now kiss.
	Is this, like, Red Rover?
	Pause.
	Pause.
	Here's the funny thing about that.
	If you look from up top, and it will be re- we will see it again reinforced.
	There clearly was no training before this.
	I know it's sort of a trope, like, oh, they're weak and they're silly.
	They are.
	But it's true.
	They don't even take a staggered stance.
	Meaning, they don't take, it's basic human biology.
	If you watch any sport that exists, right, boxing, wrestling, football, for crying out loud, sprinters come off the blocks on a staggered stance.
	Because if you stand completely straight, right, you stand like this, it's saying, please tip me over.
	All you do Is this, right?
	It's called a post.
	Are you familiar with leverage?
	They don't even do this, so I don't know how they're preparing for an incoming attack.
	It's, please let me put myself at such a biomechanical disadvantage that it would be an impossibility for me to do anything other than fall back on my skinny ass.
	Keep playing.
	Now the feet go back, see, like, oh crap, now watch, watch, watch, watch.
	Oh, no, pause!
	They weren't even crouched before!
	They were just standing like, oh, what's going on?
	Oh, no, wait, incoming!
	You had, this is a drill!
	You've watched them walking in!
	And they're just standing there like, oh, wait, maybe I should put my legs in a position where I won't keel over.
	I hate to give them any type of training advice, but look, and you should never underestimate your opponent, but you watching, listening right now, Yes, you can kick their ass.
	Keep playing.
	You can see it!
	Aren't they supposed to be, um...
	Are those... are they supposed to be cups?
	Yeah, yes, I believe so.
	With no strength or... Right, yeah, no strength, no ability.
	Also, by the way, in that last one, can you just show that last portion, that last clip, or just freeze-frame it?
	Typically, if you go... there's a reason, for example, in, like, mixed martial arts or boxing, that they're shirtless, or they put Vaseline on their eyes, because they want to avoid handles, and they want to avoid abrasions getting cut.
	So, this... can you play it?
	I don't know if... yeah, keep playing.
	Right there, right there.
	So it's, we want to avoid handles, we want to avoid anything that someone could grab and gain leverage, right?
	It's an unfair advantage.
	Think of a hockey fight.
	That young man or woman, I have no idea, says, give me the poncho!
	I want to be the man with no fighting ability.
	Just grab it anywhere and pull me away.
	Before we go to this police riot, can you guys just all line up for your scarves?
	Everyone put on a scarf real quick.
	I'm pretty sure that's the same guy from Finnegan's hit the other day.
	Yes it is!
	Give me the poncho, of course I have spacers in my ear, and if you could give me the ox nose ring.
	I want to look like a yak so that they can simply drag me to the ground with one pinky.
	I love that these guys are... It's really cute to try and do something like this.
	It really is.
	I don't know why I like that so much.
	Because it's silly!
	How's that song go?
	Yaggity-yag!
	Yaggity-yag!
	Can't fight back.
	Can't fight back.
	I forgot what the original was.
	Don't talk back.
	Don't talk back.
	No staggered stance.
	You guys, look, okay, I'll do it really quick.
	You guys understand the difference, right?
	The point is this.
	What are you, giving a class here?
	It's just this.
	If you stand like this.
	Uh-huh, uh-huh, that's fine.
	Guaranteed, if you push me, I have to go back.
	There's nothing that can stop me.
	This is why you just, look, I know it's crazy, this is witchcraft.
	They have no concept of remote athletic positioning whatsoever.
	What did they coach before this?
	They say you guys stand there and you guys push them with your ponchos.
	Well, what are the odds that any of those people ever played a sport in their life?
	Yeah, I don't think that I saw any reports of shortstops or linebackers or boxers at the protest.
	Exactly!
	Also, not only that, Steven, like, low man wins at that point, too.
	Yes!
	Like, so, don't just stand there, WE SHALL OH MY GOD!
	Yes!
	Just going back on your frickin' back.
	Come on.
	Oh my gosh.
	Imagine if they had to deal with actual civil rights.
	Like, you think these bitches would stand up to a fire hose?
	No.
	An angry German shepherd?
	The football team?
	Somebody just going in there, just destroying them?
	The pickleball players, for crying out loud.
	They stand no chance.
	Tennis team?
	Steven Seagal stands a better chance of blocking Ong Beck's leg kick with one of his one-knuckle punches to the thigh.
	Oh, don't get you started.
	This is how I block a kick.
	Oh jeez, here we go.
	I would love to see an offensive tackle walking by going, hey, do you guys want some pointers?
	I kind of know how to do this.
	And they're like, I think we got it, white boy.
	Thank you very much.
	No jocks allowed.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, bro.
	All right, thought I'd help the cause, but... Okay.
	Not exactly Greek culture with those folks.
	Hey, none of this happens, by the way, we have Vivek on, we have Alex Rosen on, we've partnered with Alex Rosen in the past to catch pedophiles, he does great work.
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	Anything else?
	No?
	Good.
	Okay.
	Ann Coulter and Vivek.
	They sat down and talked.
	About a lot yesterday, but namely immigration.
	And of course you're seeing people now discussing how this was racist.
	Don't care.
	If you listen to the whole interview, they both make pretty good points.
	I'm curious as to who you think made the better points, or with whom you think you line up more.
	Comment below.
	I think that Ann Coulter did a good job of articulating her points without giving much room for people to simply say that she's a racist.
	I think that race does, or ethnicity, I should say, matters to a degree, and I think that some of her points were incorrect, and I think that Vivek made some good points, but maybe didn't articulate them As clearly as you would have liked, which is why he'll be on the show in just a short while here, about 15 minutes to clarify that.
	But that brings us to this week's installment of, it's kind of Eye on India, but it's kind of Flying V. Yeah.
	Flying V on India!
	Flying V!
	All right.
	Well go through the highlights and sometimes I think this is why we make all of our references here publicly available because I noticed a lot of people talking about this interview and then saying well that's not true or is there anywhere I can find that so we tried to aggregate the points that maybe some people found contentious or uh felt as though they needed more research and we will
	make all those references available to you as we do every day click
	The link in the description lot of credit.com it started off with coulter telling
	Uh vivek that she agreed with him, but could never vote for him
	And this is something and coulter does she'll say something that maybe would offend someone obviously not vivek
	To then make her point which was quite valid So and thanks for coming on and i'm looking forward to our
	conversation today Me too.
	Thanks for having me.
	That was a fantastic opening monologue.
	I too am a fan of yours.
	I'm going to make a point of disagreeing with you so that it will be fun.
	You are so bright and articulate, and I guess I can call you articulate since you're not an American black.
	Can't say that about them.
	That's derogatory.
	And that was a great opening segment.
	Lots of things to talk about there.
	Oh, and I agreed with many, many things you said during, in fact, probably more than most other candidates when you were running for president.
	But I still would not have voted for you because you're an Indian.
	We'll get back to that.
	Um, and it's directly related to what you were just talking about.
	You know, the thing about nationalism, you're totally right, it is like, to use the word nationalism, oh, it's Hitler, it's Hitler.
	And, you know, Hitler had soup.
	That doesn't mean we shouldn't have soup.
	Okay, so a couple things here.
	First, I do very much appreciate that Ann Coulter has discovered an early YouTube home studio circa 2009.
	That's true.
	A Yeti mic and blue bed sheet.
	But then she wore blue!
	She's gonna blue screen herself out, she'll just be a head!
	I also like soup, so.
	Yes, I too like soup.
	Hitler's still bad, right?
	Yeah, Hitler's still bad.
	Don't know if Pol Pot liked soup.
	I hope that he didn't like soup.
	Come on, don't ruin it for everybody.
	It could have been Paul Cauldron.
	Don't worry, we can edit that out.
	That's right, we can't.
	Now it's live.
	They were kind of arguing, and here's one thing that I think people miss.
	She was sort of making the case that American values are inherently tied to ethnicity and Vivek believes that American ideals are separate from ethnicity.
	Both of them are correct in that American ideals here, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, it's not exclusive to any ethnicity, right?
	It's not mentioned.
	What Ann Coulter is saying, and she's also correct, is that ethnicity is a very strong indicator as to whether people will understand those ideals.
	She's not saying it's because of ethnicity, but statistically, it's very difficult to get around the fact that you do see clusters.
	Right, you do see these vectors on a graph of, okay, these ethnicities or people from these areas of the world tend to reject the American ideals as per the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
	Does that make sense?
	She is saying she'll say it in a way that people find incendiary.
	It's a metric that is important.
	Yeah.
	And I think Vivek brought some really good points in to kind of counter some portions of what she was saying, but I think the problem that most people are going to have is that they're going to watch that clip alone.
	Exactly.
	And they're not going to go and watch the rest of what I think was a 30-45 minute interview.
	I can't remember exactly how long it was.
	Right.
	And it does do a better job of kind of laying out the point of saying, I'm not going to vote for you because you're Indian.
	Though that sounds bad on its surface.
	I think it sounds like, whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, because he's Indian, what are you talking about?
	Well, it depends on his driving record.
	That's my opinion.
	And the stickers.
	Do you have the stickers or not?
	Yes.
	Hop driver.
	So she uses it as an important metric, I would say.
	And that's the problem with social media.
	Look, when we used to do, when I would do videos on YouTube, there was no Instagram or TikTok where someone else would simply rip 10 seconds and make a bunch of money off of it.
	That's the difference between using these platforms as a tool versus starting off with How do I get attention?
	How do I get clout?
	I'm not saying these two are doing that, I'm saying other people who stir this up are doing that, and then you have some viewers who may not understand the context.
	So let's go to the first point that they discussed to clarify this, and it's centered around the idea that immigrants don't always understand American values.
	It's true.
	Lots of our very best immigrants just do not understand the Second Amendment.
	They do not get the First Amendment.
	And you take polls of them, you know, should you have a right to bear arms?
	Should hate speech be banned?
	And it's noticeable that large percentages of immigrants and children of immigrants Really don't get that, and I think that is the point of having natural-born citizen only for president, that this is a really delicate thing we have, this freedom to bear arms and there being no such thing as hate speech, and it's just an additional little safeguard.
	Of course, you would say, well, that's not because of their race or ethnicity.
	That is true.
	Statistically, however, it is important to recognize the fact that, for example, Hispanic Republicans, meaning Hispanics here who, of course, legal immigrants, these are the stats we're using, references are available publicly, Hispanic Republicans are three times as likely to support gun control measures compared to non-Hispanic Republicans.
	And half of immigrants actually view themselves as more global citizens than American citizens.
	That is a statistical reality.
	Now there is an exception if you dive into those, often Cuban Americans.
	That's the big difference between people fleeing a government that has persecuted them, that they wish they could have fought off, they wish they could have overthrown.
	So they tend to have a deep respect and revere the First Amendment and a better understanding of the Second Amendment.
	Now we'll get into some stats on Hispanic Republicans later because some of Ann Coulter's talking points were entirely relevant until the map shift from Donald Trump.
	And I understand the point that she's making there, but don't the voters get to ask those questions?
	You could say that about Democrats running today, that they don't agree with the First Amendment as it is written and as it has been in place for the entirety of our existence.
	They don't agree with the Second Amendment.
	They don't believe that everybody has the right to a firearm.
	That should not be a disqualifying thing to run.
	It should be a disqualifying thing to get elected.
	Because then everybody gets to make that decision for themselves, no matter who holds the point of view, a 7th generation WASP, or somebody 2nd generation.
	But the truth is, Hispanic Republicans are three times more likely, and that is because many of them are first- She's not completely right on all of the stuff, but even if she were- She's right on the outcome as far as, look, the problem is a lot of people coming from other countries, particularly, for example, Hispanics, or African migrants, or certainly the Middle East, They've had enough generationally to get this right, and a lot of the time they don't.
	Not because of their race, but it is a reality, and a big part of that comes from the fact that they're surrounded by other like-minded people.
	It's a new thing for them, coming to a new country from another place.
	It's not only the amendments to the Constitution they misunderstand, it's our culture.
	Movies, music, which, by the way, to be fair, I recently learned that I get confused by it, too, when I did my last screen test.
	No, we have one?
	Yeah, it was I auditioned for the remake of The Village.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Hey, sorry I'm late.
	Is there still time to audition?
	Sorry, the main roles have all been filled, but still auditioning for people for The Village if you want to try.
	Oh, The Village people.
	Yeah, just give me a sec.
	Is that okay?
	Yeah.
	One sec.
	What is this?
	I'm one of The Village people.
	That is not what we had in mind.
	Oh, okay.
	No problem.
	I'll be right back.
	No, I don't think... I'm all wet.
	I mean, I'm all set.
	What are you supposed to be?
	What?
	I'm another one of the village people.
	No, you're not getting it.
	You're not supposed... If I send you out again, are you going to come back in a costume?
	Uh... I guess he's not interested.
	Let's bring in the next... Hey, hey!
	Sorry!
	Sorry I'm late.
	The feathers were weighing me down.
	Get out!
	Get the hell out!
	No more screen tests.
	Wow.
	Here's another point that they discussed.
	Nope, nope, had enough swings at bat.
	Point number two that they discuss here, and Ann Coulter's making the point that a lot of people who come from authoritarian governments, even if they are legal immigrants, and this is a valid discussion to have.
	I think we can all agree, illegal immigration, send them back, build a wall, of course.
	Then you also have the luxury of selecting, if you are the belle of the ball, which immigrants you want in your country.
	I believe that that is a valid discussion to have.
	And she makes the case that people who come from countries where they have been bossed around by their government and have accepted it, are more easily bossed around here and are more easily swayed by authoritarian arguments, big government arguments, than natural born citizens.
	It isn't really true that the seventh generation WASPs are voting worse than the immigrants.
	One of the problems with the immigrants we've been taking in, actually probably any immigrant, but definitely 90% of legal immigrants come from the third world.
	True.
	They're used to authoritarian governments.
	They block votes.
	And every four years I have to hear about how, no, I think we're going to take the Hispanic vote this year.
	I think we're going to get the Asian vote.
	No, you're not Republicans.
	Every election is decided by slight movements of the white vote.
	Now, the fact that the white vote is that close, yeah, okay, I hate 50% of them, but
	they're the ones who, you know, change their mind and look at the different candidates.
	It's much more easy to boss around people who've come from an authoritarian culture.
	So that premise, the last phrase, that's true.
	I can tell you this with Canadian American immigrants.
	I have friends who are Canadian who are here, and they still don't understand the Second Amendment, and during COVID, they were the most willing participants in the experiment.
	That is true, and those people, of course, were white.
	As far as the Hispanic vote, she was correct until recently under Donald Trump.
	And let me provide some statistics for you here, because this is, in fact, something that can be quantified.
	Let's use an example like Arizona.
	She says it's decided only by these small margins in white American votes.
	No.
	That's just not the case anymore.
	That is factually incorrect.
	So, for example, in Arizona, the Hispanic voting population is 1.19 million people.
	Donald Trump lost, President Trump, by 10,000 votes approximately.
	10,500, give or take.
	In Arizona.
	He had 37% of the Hispanic vote.
	Okay, 37% of the Hispanic vote.
	Now, in nationwide polling, Donald Trump actually wins a Hispanic vote, but specifically if we go to more specific... in Arizona, and it oscillates, but the lowest that we find is President Trump now getting 46% of the vote.
	So we had, okay, 10,000 votes decided it, 37% of Hispanics voted for Trump in 2020.
	it, 37% of Hispanics voted for Trump in 2020. If 46% of the Hispanic vote in Arizona vote for Trump.
	That's 107,000 more votes than 2020.
	He lost by 10,000.
	That nine point swing, 107,000 more votes than Arizona.
	Boom.
	Wins Arizona.
	We've gone through states before.
	You can do it in Georgia.
	You can do it in places even like Pennsylvania.
	If you look at the margins with the black vote.
	With all immigrant votes.
	What she said was correct.
	Until the fundamental shift that has taken place in the last two years.
	I say that bringing tidings of great joy.
	Yeah, he's bringing also that when we talked to, we talked about Afro man, we talked to him about this.
	He's bringing the black community along with him in a very large way, significant way.
	I would, he's not going to ever win a majority of it, but he doesn't have to.
	You just make some moves like what you just talked about.
	There was a 9% change in the Hispanic vote.
	That was it.
	You don't have to change it by miles, you just change it a little bit, and Democrats have a very hard time winning elections.
	Now, that has to happen at the voting booth, so we have to see that.
	But he's doing a great job there, so I'm not sure why Ann Coulter's not seeing that and also saying, hey, that's great, that's improvement, and just focusing on the white vote.
	Because that, for me, can get into like, okay, we're just going to get rid of the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the Asian vote, the anybody else vote, let's just focus on white people.
	People can very easily attack you there.
	I think what she's saying, and I think there might have been some miscommunication here, she's saying, and I agree with this, don't pander to minority votes that won't have as big of an impact.
	For example, remember Michael, what up, Steele?
	He had his blog, what up, when he was the RNC chairman?
	I don't remember what he was.
	He was in some position of authority, and it was a pandering like, hey, yo, dark-skinned kids!
	I'm one of you!
	What's happening?
	And they were like, no, absolutely not.
	The ideals of the Constitution, the ideals of, of course, the Bill of Rights, should apply to, should be, I should say, attractive to everybody.
	Right.
	They haven't, they're not always attractive to everybody, depending on the culture from which they're coming right now, if they're first-generation immigrants.
	So it's a valid point, don't pander, but you don't want to solely focus on the white vote, because that would simply be to leave many, many, many, many votes on the table.
	Toolman, I want to, since we'll have Vivek on, I want to go to point number four.
	I want to use that clip.
	And we'll use number three because I'd like to discuss that with him.
	But we'll present it to you right now as key point number three.
	And this is very interesting because a lot of people didn't know this.
	We've talked about it here on this program.
	And by the way, Ann Coulter reiterates the point that not only I've made for years now, but Thomas Sowell made before any of us, to be clear, the founder of the Feast.
	And he was, if you haven't read it, if you haven't read his articles on this, Or American Rednecks is one of my favorite.
	Please do consider it.
	She makes this point that immigration now is very, very different, fundamentally, than it was before we had the modern welfare state.
	And an interesting tidbit on the Statue of Liberty, fact check true.
	We have certainly deployed troops and money and aid and pamphlets and Voice of America around the globe, trying to get other countries to adopt this country's ideals.
	And yet...
	No other country's really been able to do it.
	The closest you have is Australia, Canada.
	They were never going to become us.
	So there does seem to be some mystery secret sauce by giving these ideals to Anglo-Saxons, or at least a culture that is dominated by Anglo-Saxons.
	I don't know if that's the clip.
	I believe it's clip Ellis Liberty that you should have.
	Okay, here we go.
	Yes, in there.
	If you came here basically at any point from, I don't know, 1632 up until 1965, if you couldn't make it, you went home or you starved to death.
	There was no warm bath of welfare benefits that you would be sunk into.
	And most people don't know this, but about 30% of the prized Ellis Island immigrants went home.
	Sixty percent of Southern Italian immigrants went home.
	So that's how, without having any laws or having to pick this one or that one, we just naturally got the best the world had to offer.
	We were skimming the cream.
	You're absolutely right.
	Yes, these are ideals accessible to anyone.
	The Statue of Liberty, the genuine purpose of the Statue of Liberty, not what socialist Emma Lazarus slapped on it 50 years later. That poem has nothing to do with why
	France gave us the Statue of Liberty. It's supposed to be liberty lighting the
	world.
	All of that is correct.
	So the stats, for example, 31% of the Ellis Island immigrants returned to their country of origin.
	We'll provide those references for you.
	And yes, the Statue of Liberty was meant to symbolize specifically freedom from slavery.
	Of course, not for open borders.
	And for those of you who did not know, yes, it was a socialist named Emma Lazarus who had that poem put on the statue 20 years later after the statue was built.
	And before I give you some points here to undergird that, I think it's quite important to put this in context.
	We are now, not at the point where this administration or our government is talking about bringing in the best and brightest or even, you know, a skill-based immigration policy.
	We have a former Vice President Biden regime wanting to bring in military male-aged Palestinian refugees to this country with nothing to offer.
	We are so far off the beam.
	Today, the Statue of Liberty would be completely unrecognizable.
	Bless America, my home Allah is the greatest
	But the point is very important.
	A lot of people don't know this, that immigrants, many of them came from countries where, as Anne Coulter has described, they experienced certainly much more of an authoritative government and they were promised more security.
	There are plenty of people who will give up their liberty for some false sense of security.
	Now, those people back then had a choice.
	Come here to the United States, where you incur all risk, but you have the benefit of freedom, or go back to your country of origin, where you do not have that freedom, but maybe it's a little bit safer.
	It's the same reason that most people work as employees versus starting a business with their own savings account.
	You have that choice to make.
	We have now removed the risk!
	That's what is so different.
	We have removed the risk where people are incentivized to come to this country, black, white, yellow, Red, black, yellow, white, they're all precious in his sight.
	It's a racist song for Jesus, that song.
	Jesus loves the children.
	I know, it's just not really.
	It is.
	But now people can come to this country with no education, with no skill set,
	receive welfare benefits, and they're incentivized to stay.
	That is a huge difference.
	And I do believe that we are at the point where immigration policies,
	just like any other country, should be based on some kind of merit.
	You want to come here?
	That's not enough.
	Everyone wants to come here.
	And certainly, everyone would want to come here if they can benefit from social
	safety nets that exist in the United States, to which they are not paying in.
	Who wouldn't want to come here?
	Very, very different dynamic than, you want to come here?
	Okay, fine.
	You start paying taxes, and you're not eligible for any of these social welfare benefits until an allotted portion of time has taken place, and you have paid in.
	Yeah, it's like a vesting period.
	But by the way, it shouldn't be harder to get into Notre Dame than it is to get into the United States.
	Like, we have screening processes for this.
	You want the Cream of the Crop students to come in?
	We have a screening process for that.
	I wasn't aware, by the way, of how many people left.
	Yeah.
	How many people went back home and couldn't make it.
	And tying these things together, I think, was very helpful for me, especially, to say the welfare policies made it to where they didn't have to go back.
	Right.
	The people that couldn't hack it just got to stay and live off of everybody else.
	Right.
	And that's the thing that really is destroying the country right now.
	So I know that we have Vivek actually in the chair, so I'll let you guys go back to that.
	But we'll come back and talk about a few of these points with him.
	But you're wrong.
	It's not that way.
	What did I say?
	By the way, it should be harder to get into the United States than Notre Dame.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It should be equally hard.
	No, I said it should be harder.
	It shouldn't be easier to get into the United States than it is to get into Notre Dame.
	Oh, I thought you were saying that it's too hard to get into the U.S.
	right now.
	No, I'm saying that it should be harder.
	We agree.
	We shouldn't screen more for a college.
	I thought you turned into a filthy pinko comic.
	No, I wouldn't do that.
	I was very shocked.
	No, he wasn't telling you how much of an elite he is because he was able to get in.
	Yeah, until he hurt his knee.
	I got a free education, so it's true.
	That's true.
	You did.
	But you gotta stay educated.
	Free education along with pondering... What?
	Along with pondering pain of the dreams that were.
	But it's okay.
	You got a degree.
	All right.
	Let's have him come in.
	The Flying V himself, Vivek.
	Vivek!
	Vivek, always good to have you.
	Can you hear me?
	See me, sir?
	I can.
	Vivek Ramaswamy.
	It's just the usual spelling.
	I don't care.
	The reason why... I think it's because I'm Indian.
	Yes, that's exactly right.
	That is absolutely right.
	By the way, I do appreciate, though, that you have a studio where we can see you, and it's not a blue shirt on a blue background where you look like the floating homer head in the Japanese commercials.
	This looks... It only took me a year of running for president to figure some of these things out.
	Yes, that's true.
	Get that at the top of the learnings from the last year.
	And before we...
	And before we cover this, look, this interview, of course, has picked up steam.
	Where's the best place for people to go to the original source and watch it, what you have put out there to the public?
	Apple, Spotify, YouTube, name it.
	But those three, wherever you get your podcasts, as they say, go get it.
	The funny thing is, this was supposed to be the relaunch of a podcast I started during the presidential campaign.
	And the whole point for me is, and this is a point in the campaign, and this was part of, I took a little bit of a break, now I just relaunched this podcast, is to start to have the kinds of debates, even within the right, That we don't actually have.
	Intellectual debates.
	And so, I thought a fun one to start with is, you know, there's the N-word, and you're not supposed to say it.
	Nationalism is what I'm referring to.
	Oh, you caught me.
	I thought he's not going to say the N-word.
	Indians don't have a hood pass.
	Nationalism.
	An Indian can absolutely say nationalism.
	Non-white nationalism.
	Is is, you know, what I've called me, but but I think that was an interesting discussion about what it means to be a nationalist.
	And so I thought, you know, let's get somebody who has actually thought deeply about this and cultures in the on that list.
	And so this is the first episode of the relaunch podcast I kind of started during the presidential campaign.
	And what do you know, she, she starts with Yes, a wake up call a dose of coffee say and but she was honest.
	Saying she couldn't have voted for me even though she agreed with everything I said, because I'm an Indian, which I thought set up for actually a really interesting conversation that followed.
	I think it was.
	I would like to roll one clip.
	So if, okay, if you can say the N-word, nationalist, I guess that would make members of Congress House Nationalists.
	So we're burning down that trail here.
	I want to show this clip because I think...
	It's a case, but I'm running for president now!
	I said it!
	The only thing is, I mean, members of the House, they're actually, they're actually not, actually.
	Most people are very afraid of you because you're a nationalist, right?
	So if only we could have gotten there, that might have been, that might have been interesting.
	No, you're right.
	You know what?
	You're right.
	It's the actual people on the ground out there doing the work who are nationalists, field nationalists.
	So the point that I wanted to discuss here is, you made a, and I think that I agree with you, I agree with almost everything that you both said.
	But I'd like to give you the chance to clarify this, because I think that some wires have gotten crossed with people who watch this.
	When you talked about how the right shouldn't be reactionary, and then let me just kind of take a moment to explain what my perspective is on it, and then give you the floor.
	So let's run the clip here really quickly.
	We might have even in what I may call our wing, if I may take that liberty of the future conservative movement, One that is accidentally defined by the threat we're reacting to, rather than affirmatively defined on our own terms, right?
	Individual, family, nation, and God serving as the alternative vision to race, gender, sexuality, and climate.
	And I think it's a hard thing to do.
	My definition of American identity has nothing to do With what that person has to say, it's going to be independent and stand regardless of it.
	And I just worry, we've had such a candid conversation, and I'll just close in candor, I worry that a little bit of even a deep, thoughtful, philosophically grounded and committed person like your vision of our national identity may itself be in part a projection of a response guided by people who hate this country, who should have nothing to do with defining what a person like you believes it means to be a citizen of this nation.
	Okay, so really quickly, my perspective here, and we're going to have Alex Rosen on one of the original Predator poachers, which has now unfortunately been copycatted by other people looking for social media clout.
	I agree with the idea that you shouldn't give more credence, for example, reacting to some crazy blue-haired person who has no influence, right?
	though it's funny. I think though, this idea of not being reactionary, I don't see conservatism
	or pushing back as reactionary. I see it as a reaffirming of the Constitution, right, and the
	Bill of Rights. And I would agree with you, if we didn't have to deal with the fact that these
	people who are radical leftists, the entire DNC are in positions of power in all of our established
	institutions. And so sometimes I will see people say, well, why are you being reactionary? Well,
	Well, no, no, hold on a second.
	I'm bringing people back to the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, which...
	To which you were reactionary in the 1960s.
	It was always that.
	You changed it and now you have states with abortion up until nine months and after birth.
	So I sometimes have an issue with, or I should say that I'm reticent to go with the premise because then people box you in where one side is only talking about ideas and the other side is shooting arrows at them.
	Yeah, so I do believe with you, and I think it was the only presidential candidate to actually say this, that we are in the middle of a war in this country.
	But I think to win a war, you have to both know who you're defeating and what you're fighting for.
	The conversation, let's just understand who you're talking to here.
	I mean, I've started businesses to compete head-on with BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard.
	I wrote the book Woke Inc.
	before anybody in this country, certainly on the right, had heard the word woke.
	So I do think it's important.
	And I say this as a matter of self-reflection, Steve, is that I have been reactionary for much of the last four years.
	I don't think there's anything wrong with that, so long as it doesn't blind you from actually remembering what you're fighting for.
	And that came up in the conversation with Ann Coulter, because I think she said something that in her heart of heart, she probably at least a version of her from before wouldn't actually believe in, but for the current environment in this country, which is that she couldn't vote for me because of my ethnic heritage.
	I think that the thing I challenged her with is to say that, you know what, if we didn't have open border policies in this country, if we had a rational immigration policy like the one you just described, and I agree with you wholeheartedly in that last monologue, if we didn't have self-hatred permeating every institution in this country, from our universities to our capital markets to corporate America, to our media, if we actually had a revival of national pride in this country, if English was the sole national language in this country, if we actually ended birthright citizenship for the people who broke the law to come here illegally to have anchor babies, against that backdrop, I don't think Ann Coulter would tell me to my face.
	I don't think she would even believe it, that she couldn't vote for me because I was of Indian heritage.
	And so what that has done, I believe, and I think it's beginning to happen, and I think this is the stuff of how nations end, is that the reactionary impulse takes over.
	The very thing you're going to fight for in the first place.
	And I think that's where we actually are.
	Not because there's some other noble external standard to be measured against, but because we fail to fight for the very thing we cared about getting into this arena for in the first place.
	Right.
	I mean, why the heck would I run for president?
	Why are you doing what you're doing?
	Why am I doing?
	Why on earth am I starting a podcast right now?
	I don't need to make more money.
	I don't need a business.
	But I'm doing it because I think we need to have certain conversations, especially on the right, Yeah.
	That we're not having.
	And one of those conversations, and I think it's relevant this year in particular, I think the reason we didn't have a red wave in 2022 is not because of abortion.
	It's not because of Donald Trump.
	It's because Republicans fell into this trap, criticizing the radical Biden agenda.
	And I've done that.
	You've done that.
	But it gets stale after a while, really.
	I mean, Biden gives us an endless list of things to criticize.
	We did not have an alternative vision that we actually stand for.
	I'm not talking about metaphysics and philosophy.
	I'm talking about actual affirmative policies that we stand for.
	Standing for merit, standing for free speech, standing for the rule of law, standing for actually making sure that people, bureaucrats we never elected, aren't the ones running government.
	That's a vision.
	Those are things to stand for.
	But sitting around criticizing the radical Biden agenda or the progressives, on their own terms is fine. It's important. It's necessary.
	But we can't do it at the expense of forgetting what we're
	fighting for. And I think that's the mistake that and may have made
	the respect a lot of what she said. Sure. I think she's a thoughtful person. I think that that's may have clouded her
	own judgment, which is what I sort of called her out in the
	little exchange that we had in my mind.
	And I agree with you on that.
	I mean, we're about to have Alex Rosen on, you know, I don't know if you saw this, Bradley Martin and Vitaly, they did this thing where they tried to confront a pedophile, right?
	And the problem is, they did it in a way where it may let this pedophile off scot-free, whereas Alex Rosen, who we've worked with, has put hundreds of them behind bars by doing his due diligence.
	And the different approach And I will sort of personalize this, for example, you know, I was just a comedian and actor, uh, until YouTuber I had, uh, for example, very familiar, the blue bed sheet behind me back in 2008, 2009, where I would hear my friends saying, assault weapons, assault weapons, assault weapons.
	And I thought, wait a second, they don't even know what that means.
	So I can use these tools at my disposal now, social media, YouTube was new, to do a top five myths about the assault weapons ban.
	Use the tool to shine, to draw attention Yeah.
	to an important issue, versus right now, someone just going, look, slow-mo shot on a gun range by a woman with large
	breasts. It's like, well, if your only goal is clout and attention, this is no longer a tool. The end game is
	attention. The end game is controversy as opposed to using it as a tool. But I do think it's very necessary to cut
	through. In other words, if there was no reaction at all, I mean, we were just watching CNN all day for the last
	several days. It's been about the political persecution of Donald
	and these sham trials, but then taking it to like what you said, concrete policies.
	I really like what you just said about a national language, because I'm going to pull a coulter here a little bit.
	I think you would agree with me, because you both mentioned that people from different countries tend to, I use the term ghettoize, create these enclaves where they don't... And I will tell you, in Texas, that has happened with a lot of Indian immigrants.
	Now, I don't mean as far as crime, I don't mean as far as not paying taxes, but as far as Many not speaking English, and whole neighborhoods where it is entirely Indian, including Indian markets, where you will go as an American and say, this doesn't feel like the United States of America anymore.
	Have you noticed that with this wave of, obviously, a record number of Indian immigrants to the United States for tech jobs?
	And is solving that a national language?
	Like you said, English, starting with, you're like everybody else.
	You have to get in line and you have to follow here.
	Yeah, I mean, I think most of the peers who I'm next to, and this is just not a deflection of what you said, it's just true, is I feel like most people I'm surrounded by don't know how to speak English either.
	I think a lot of immigrants don't know how to speak English.
	And I think that as somebody who tries to speak the language that was bequeathed to us, it's a deeper point.
	I'm not just offering that as a quip.
	No, it's true.
	I think a lot of what we, you have a lot of self-hatred of this country from immigrants who travel to this country, who then are critical of this country, who then actually are taking advantage of this country, well, without actually pledging allegiance to the flag.
	And then you got sixth and seventh generation of, you know, some girl who, of a kid, of a guy who grew up in the Upper East Side, now moves to Brooklyn, thinks she's a hippie, and shows up at a Hamas protest and says the same thing.
	So I think that that is a deeper issue in our country, where if we're just playing whack-a-mole, Look, no one's more hardline on illegal mass migration than me, and no one's more hardline in believing that the sole purpose of immigration policy in the United States needs to be to advance the interests of U.S.
	citizens who are already here.
	Right?
	I hate reciting standard talking points.
	They bore me.
	But here's a fun one that nobody, I don't think, has cited, but it's a fact.
	12% of the nation of Sierra Leone.
	12%.
	A country of 8 million people, talking about 950,000 people, have applied for a green card.
	So this isn't just the illegal migration issue, it's the source of magnitude of demand of, if we did have open borders, this is what's going to become of our country.
	But Steve, I think the thing that bothers me is why the hell am I the only person in the Republican Party who has the guts to say English should be our national language?
	I know.
	Why am I the only person who can actually offer legal argument for why we should be able to end birthright citizenship without a constitutional amendment?
	And so the irony to me is... I can answer that.
	I can answer that.
	Yeah.
	It's because of the color of your skin.
	And I don't mean... I'm saying you are inoculated, you know, for someone who looks like she's straight from the hip.
	I disagree with that.
	I'm going to be back at you, Steve.
	I'm going to hit you hard for that.
	That is because the rest of you are freaking lazy.
	Cowards!
	And the conservative movement has grown lazy.
	Cowards!
	People in this country have common sense.
	What we really lack is courage.
	So I'm not going to buy some BS that, like, my last name or my skin color insulates me.
	Think about it, I had to step down... No, but that's the perception.
	You have balls, but other people won't criticize you.
	We'll just level at this, we're having some fun here.
	I stepped down from a CEO of a company, multi-billion dollar company that I founded, led a CEO, built it from scratch, wasn't born into money, and had a choice to do what every other biotech CEO was doing in the wake of George Floyd.
	Chose not to do it, did not issue a statement in favor of BLM, because saving this country involves some measure of sacrifice.
	Yeah.
	So to somebody, I get this from white friends all the time, good-hearted people, it's like, I love that you can say it because I can't.
	My answer is bullshit.
	You're just a coward.
	Stand up and actually say it.
	Stand for your actual convictions because if you can't stand for your convictions, you don't have any at all.
	But the issue is no one else does say it, right?
	We say it on this show, right?
	And then we take the arrows.
	Let me give you a very clear example.
	I come from Quebec.
	Take the arrows, don't cry about it.
	I'm not crying about it, I'm saying as far as the Republican Party, why aren't they saying it?
	I am giving you your answer.
	That is the answer.
	It's white guilt.
	It's their white guilt.
	Hold on, let me finish here.
	This is important.
	In Quebec, and this goes to Ann Coulter's point, the only people who feel they can't say it Because they've been told they can't say it, are wasps in this country.
	Quebec, they created language laws, they had the language police to enforce it, and by the way, this was copied across the world.
	This was copied across the world.
	They said, oh wow, we can do this because we want to preserve a culture, French, namely French-European culture, right, Acadian culture, in Quebec, and they created these language laws, which by the way were discriminatory against English-speaking Canadians.
	No one has a problem with it anywhere else except in white United States of America because they've been told they can't.
	I don't subscribe to that, but I will tell you this.
	My frustration is everyone in the Republican Party, save for you and maybe Donald Trump, it's a white guilt thing.
	They feel they can't say English because people say, do you mean white?
	And they go, no, no, no, no.
	And they're pussies.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You want to know what you know, the one nation is that spoken in other country loan language is spoken in India.
	It's English.
	Yes.
	So why should we?
	Why do we worry about that in the United States of America when actually that creates coherence in our nation?
	And so here's here's what I'll say is no excuses for anybody anymore.
	If you have your own convictions, speak your mind in the open actually start standing for don't assume it's somebody else's responsibility.
	And don't make excuses for yourself for not doing it either.
	Now I'm gonna make two points here relating to ethnic pride and nationalism.
	Look, I think it's weird that every other ethnicity other than the white ethnicity can take pride in their ethnic heritage.
	But if white people or people of a WASP variety or whatever take just pride, not denigration of anybody else, but pride in their own ethnic heritage, that's deemed racist.
	I think that's weird.
	But I think it's insufficient to just stop there.
	I think what we're actually missing Is why doesn't everybody actually start taking pride in the American civic heritage?
	Right?
	So this is the way I don't want to see us go.
	I think it's great.
	The reactionary point is to make an observation that's true.
	It's super bizarre and weird and hypocritical and illogical and inconsistent for every ethnicity except for one subset of ethnicities based on the shade of your tan, which if it's light, a shade of your tan, you can't actually take pride in your own ethnic heritage.
	Now, I think that's weird.
	And I think it's wrong.
	But then if we go the direction of just letting that reaction guide us and say, I want white pride and somebody else I want black pride, right, actually, we're missing the whole point, which is we should have a shared conviction in American pride.
	Yeah, which is what we've lost.
	And so that's, I think, what I see in the conservative movement right now, Stephen is, I think the left, say what you will about them, they will offer a coherent vision, right?
	There's oppressors and oppressed, they're good at offering a state of emergency, whether it's the end of COVID-19 or climate change, if you don't get it right by then, we're done.
	And we have fallen into the trap of just stopping.
	We need some of this to light the spark.
	It's a means to an end, as you said, but we fall into the trap of just making this as an end in ourself to play whack-a-mole against the other side versus remembering what we're fighting for.
	And it's what's represented by that flag behind you and the flag behind me.
	Yes.
	And I think that that conservative movement has grown lazy, and unless we learn from that, I worry we're going to have the red wave that never came in 2024, just like we did in 2022.
	And that's not up to the left, that's up to us.
	And I think that's something we haven't yet done.
	I completely agree with the, when you talk about the reactionary right, to be clear, people who actually say we should only have white migrants.
	So to give you an example, I would take 20 Cuban American immigrants, Cuban migrants here, who are actually fleeing a persecutive government.
	versus one Swedish socialist. But here, let me give you the issue here that I think a lot of people on the right are
	missing.
	I'll just start spouting off some titles here.
	The American History of White Supremacy.
	Patriarchy in the establishment of Western civilization.
	I've just named you Ivy League courses where you say pride in the American ideals in every single major school and media outlet these kids are being bombarded with.
	That flag means white supremacy, guys.
	The Constitution?
	Bunch of white guys.
	And so that's why people feel the need to say, hold on, it's not because it's white, but also they weren't bad because they were white.
	And they spend too much time on it.
	But the left says American ideals are bad because of white.
	That's what they say.
	The left's narrative is garbage here on this, but I'll just give you an example in closing, and this is why I'm bothering to relaunch this podcast, and actually I don't take up a project if I'm not serious about it.
	It's like an analogy, but it's a related point where I'll hear about so many people on our side, right, preaching about the importance of teaching our kids history.
	And then when I talk to them, they actually don't know very much about our history, right?
	And we can talk about how they'll defend it like hell against the fact that Thomas Jefferson was a slaveholder.
	And he's my favorite president.
	I love Thomas Jefferson.
	TJ is the man.
	But they don't even know that John Adams was an abolitionist.
	Or that John Quincy Adams, his son, actually was the only U.S.
	President to go back to the U.S.
	Congress after serving as U.S.
	President for the cause of fighting for abolition, violated the gag rule by saying the word slavery, uses his own trial to actually make the case against the gag rule, gets it abolished.
	Or that Abraham Lincoln was the person who actually carried him out of the Congress floor when he died, getting a stroke in the middle of a speech on the Congress floor.
	These are great stories of American history.
	And I just use that as an example, where most conservatives I talked to about, well, we believe in our founding, we're not teaching our history anymore, have no clue about that story of American history.
	And so for me, I think our side has grown lazy.
	And I think that's just, I'm not just gonna call that out.
	It's part of what I'm trying to do on this podcast is get into the content beyond this.
	If you want standard conservative talking points, there's a lot of place to go.
	And like, I just get sick of saying what other people are saying.
	But if you want to cover ground that other people haven't covered, that's why I launched this thing.
	The first one with Ann Coulter we put out yesterday in Apple, Spotify, whatever it is.
	I'd encourage people to listen.
	I'm not in this as a business.
	That's not my principal objective.
	If you want to make money, there's other ways to do it.
	But I do think we need to elevate the quality of conversation in this country, and particularly on the right.
	So anyway, I love coming on with you because we get to do that.
	It's one of these rare spaces, and you keep doing what you're doing, and I'll come back soon.
	Absolutely.
	And of course, John Hancock was not an adult film star.
	Most Americans need to learn that.
	We appreciate it.
	Vivek, thank you, brother.
	I appreciate that you have the testicular fortitude to say these things, and the ability to articulate it well.
	I think you've moved a lot of people towards your position.
	We appreciate it, brother.
	Be well.
	Thank you, man.
	Take care.
	Wait, what?
	I know him.
	Yeah.
	Hancock.
	Hancock's great, man.
	He's great!
	He got fired up.
	I stand by it, though.
	It's because of the color of his skin.
	There is some inoculation.
	There's a reason that it's not just him.
	Herman Cain was that way.
	Ben Carson, they went after him.
	It's one of those things.
	It's white guilt from a lot of people on the right where they feel they can't say national language because the left says, do you mean white?
	No!
	I mean a language.
	I mean a language.
	There are other white languages and there are plenty of people who speak English who are not white.
	But it does have to be addressed.
	Because it's not just the politicians who are afraid, it's everyone on campus who is afraid.
	These students.
	It's people who come out to these live shows who say, I work in tech and I can't talk about this.
	They need to be emboldened by people like Vivek and that's why we do what we do.
	And we appreciate your support.
	You know, at Mug Club we wouldn't be able to do it.
	Yeah, and I think he's right.
	People need to be more courageous.
	Yeah.
	Take more risks.
	I've been taking more risks myself.
	Actually, I did another screen test recently, and if you don't mind, I'd like to show you that one, too.
	What is the screen test?
	It's a sequel to Napoleon Dynamite.
	Oh, I love that movie.
	Yeah.
	So, Tim, go ahead and roll it.
	No.
	What?
	What do you mean, no?
	I mean, no.
	We already did one.
	I want to see this one.
	No, play the clip.
	Play the damn clip, dude.
	What are you doing?
	No, screw you.
	I don't want to play damn Napoleus in this movie ever.
	Hey, you want a piece of me, dude?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, all right.
	Let's go ahead.
	That's what- What's- What, guys?
	Let's- Hold on.
	Wait.
	Oh my gosh.
	What?
	Hey, hey.
	Play the clip, Tim!
	Yeah.
	Tim!
	That's- I don't- Um... That stuff is terrible.
	Oh, that's- Uh... Okay.
	This is a problem.
	Yeah, I don't know how we'll home.
	Okay, guys, look, break, break, break it up.
	We're on air.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Yeah, we're on air.
	Yes.
	Sorry, Gerald.
	Just you guys okay?
	Are you?
	I'll be all right.
	Does anyone hurt?
	Shoulders a little sore.
	It's not because of Josh.
	I took care of it.
	I took care of it.
	Yeah.
	Look, hey man, so here's some CB distillery sticks if you guys just rub it on each other after show like make up like here Here you go.
	I'll toss it to you.
	Yes.
	Yeah, there you go.
	You got it rub it on your shoulder Yeah, just rub it on your shoulder so we can especially where there's a tear do it slowly Slowly, I said!
	This is new, this is a good one.
	Yeah, of course it's new.
	We spared no expense.
	You just got into a fight in the studio.
	Rub the frame.
	There you go.
	You feel good now, right?
	You feel good?
	Yeah.
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	Whoa!
	Hey, come on.
	I tossed him the stick.
	What is going on?
	Me and Vivek arguing.
	You guys.
	I don't know.
	I guess I got jealous.
	It's all love.
	That's all.
	I've used the promo code Crowder at CBDistillery.com.
	One of the actual products that I used before they ever reached out because it was lab tested and a lot of CBD out there is basically a novelty item.
	I took the whole tincture thing you gave me at once.
	It was a really bad idea.
	It was true.
	It wasn't a great idea.
	Wait, you took the whole thing?
	I should probably read instructions.
	I'm just like, that's not a lot.
	I know we're running a little bit behind, but do we have Mr. Rosen?
	Okay, so before that, let me just bring this up here, and this is the difference I was talking with Vivek about.
	Bradley Martin and Vitaly, they're sort of, would you call them podcast hosts?
	Influencers?
	Content creators?
	Streamers.
	Streamers.
	They went out and sort of did their own version.
	The problem is when people do it improperly and that may let these actual sex offenders
	walk free.
	Due diligence matters using platforms and social media and new media to use that term anymore as a tool to draw attention to that's that's one thing simply Trying to get attention, uh, or chasing clout, that's how you make mistakes, and unfortunately, it can sometimes do more harm than good.
	So, this week, you had these, uh, streamers, Bradley Martin, Batali, went viral after catching, uh, this screenwriter, and I'm glad that, I'm glad that a light has been shined on it.
	Uh, Herschel Weingrad, I believe was his name, in this predator sting, after which the man will probably walk free.
	You know how old she is?
	23.
	Is that what the conversation looked like?
	23.
	On a dating site.
	Yeah?
	How old is she?
	Lila, how old are you?
	I'm sorry.
	She was 23 on a dating site.
	So, she didn't tell you how old she was?
	She did.
	How old is she?
	I have no idea.
	Lila, how old are you?
	Fifteen.
	I'm sorry.
	She was 23 on a dating site.
	All we've done is talk.
	So she didn't tell you how old she was?
	She did.
	She did?
	Yeah.
	How old is she?
	She said she was 15.
	Where are you going?
	I heard a piece I'm going to go to.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, have a seat.
	Have a seat.
	Why?
	I'll sit with you, I'll eat pizza with you.
	We're just having pizza, right?
	First mistake right there.
	Sit right here.
	Unfortunately.
	Excuse me, sir, excuse me.
	Second mistake right there.
	So you're a pedophile trying to meet a 15 year old.
	Oh, I'm sorry, it's not a boy, it's a girl.
	Whoa.
	Yeah, you are.
	Wait.
	We need to hear audio.
	We need to hear audio.
	Clown.
	All right.
	Let's go.
	Let's go.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm going to say.
	What are you doing?
	We can't grab him.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You can't grab him.
	You can't do that.
	Let him go.
	You can't do that.
	Let him go.
	Let him go.
	You just hold him.
	Metallic.
	He's trying to be a 15 year old.
	He's trying to be a 15 year old.
	So, again, really, if, if, and I don't have all the evidence and that's part of the issue,
	but I'm going to assume that this is true.
	If this guy did this, of course, it's unbelievably scummy.
	Yeah.
	And I hope he gets his comeuppance.
	There were some receipts missing.
	Doesn't mean they don't exist.
	Potential legal hurdles to overcome.
	Bye!
	False imprisonment by not allowing him to leave.
	It's possible.
	I'm saying potential legal hurdles to overcome.
	Possible, for example, battery because later saying you can't touch him.
	Well, he already did.
	Touched him at the restaurant.
	Blasting with powder.
	And by the way, it's not lost on me that entertainment is a valuable tool and it should be used.
	I get it.
	Not at the cost of what is required to accomplish the goal.
	So I don't know if the goal here is to actually bring justice to pedophiles, or if it's clicks.
	Clicks can serve as a valuable tool, pressure to draw attention to the misdeeds, and then them have to face justice.
	But if you take action in a way that actually may undercut the goal, okay, you got clicks, but he may walk.
	And I think that's an important distinction to make because we really work with some people here who do a lot of great work and it takes a lot of time.
	We have things at the Undercover Unit they're working on right now.
	Months.
	Months.
	Let me give you a couple of examples.
	Just really quickly to understand the difference and I want to bring on the OG of Predator Poachers, Alex Rosen.
	It's the difference of, I use the gun example because That was something, a big thing.
	YouTube was just, it was people, it was just this proliferation of anti-gun videos, assault weapons ban, videos on gun statistics that were incorrect.
	I thought, you know what?
	I can use this platform to do top five myths about assault weapons or top five myths about the AR-15.
	The clicks were effectively a representation of people being educated, which was the goal, and hopefully entertained.
	It's the difference between proper strength training, for example, trying to get people healthier, using social media to actually provide tools, this is how you lift, this is a good way to eat, this is a routine that you can get into, versus steroids and a filter.
	On Instagram.
	So that you can sell things that you don't even use.
	Yeah.
	If the end goal is just, look at me, you don't tell people that you're taking steroids and you're adding a filter and you're telling them it came from some kind of green tea, now you are simply pursuing clicks in the name of clout rather than using these platforms to provide people valuable tools.
	Comment below.
	Does that make sense?
	I see that as a huge shift and I've experienced it.
	Uh, here, where it can be difficult to get people to go and watch the entire context of a program.
	And I do think that that matters.
	Here to talk about this sting specifically and what maybe has gone wrong, the OG predator poacher,
	friend of the show, Alex Rosen. Mr. Rosen, before, hold on a second, I want to let people know where
	to find you. It's...
	They can find you on X at iFight4Kids, Pea Poachers Live, and of course on Locals, predatorpoachers.com slash, sorry, predatorpoachers.locals.com.
	Alex, thanks for being here, brother.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, thanks for having me on.
	Absolutely.
	I saw you were saying something when the stinger came in.
	Was there something that I missed?
	Please tell me it was... No, I was just saying, like, how's it going?
	Oh, okay.
	I thought you were, like, making fun of one of our mothers, which is also acceptable.
	So, let me ask you this.
	What was your first thought when you were watching this video, which has since gone viral?
	Well, the first thought is I'm just glad that Hollywood producers exposed.
	I mean, you know, we all say that we all say that all Hollywood's full of pedos, but I mean, clearly there's something going on with that guy's out in the open doing that.
	But, you know, kind of the thing with those types of stings.
	It was probably done the same day like he was that that lady was probably texting him the same exact day they met and I don't even know how much sexual talk was in the messages at all.
	Like just saying I just wanted to meet her and this and that.
	Of course, they never just want to meet of course he wants more no guy meets a lady off a dating app underage or not to just meet but Um, I think in the messages there probably wasn't enough said to get him arrested and that's just gonna make him more careful the next time.
	That's really gonna make him not say anything sexual to the next sting or whatever pops up next.
	So I think he's gonna walk free and that's the unfortunate part about it, but the good part is everybody knows who he is now.
	Yes, I do think that's a great thing is for it to be exposed, but there would be a way to do it properly, for example, the way that you do it where you make it stick.
	In other words, if you were doing this, would it be give it a little more time so that you have verifiable proof of messages that would stand up in court and do your due diligence?
	Oh, 100% agree.
	So I'll bring up this guy named Fred Hendricks who we caught.
	If you want to find that video on Rumbles, it's Predator Poachers, Eugene's.
	Type it in, the video will come up.
	That guy was a sex offender.
	He was talking to us for nine months, would never get sexual with us, then finally to an eight-year-old girl.
	He says one sexual thing, and it was enough, and we go and confront him about it.
	He gets a three-year sentence, but in that video where we're talking to him, he admits to molesting his niece, and he never got in trouble for that.
	He went to jail for molesting his daughter, and now Maricopa County in Phoenix has extradited him from Oregon to Phoenix, and they charged him with touching his niece now because he said that to us on camera.
	So instead of getting three years in prison, he's facing the rest of his life now.
	So it's really important That you make sure the video is good as well, because if they could admit to an array of crimes, that would just not be in the messages, whether it's sexual or not.
	Right.
	Do you see this, as someone who's been doing this for a long time, do you see this as a potential problem in the future, this proliferation as far as, you know, these people now being more prudent because of lazy work and making it harder to catch them?
	Because, honestly, I'm surprised that anyone texts those things anymore, like, to catch a predator.
	I'm like, you've seen the show.
	Yeah, no, I think there's going to be so many pedos and chomos regardless, but I will say in places like L.A.
	County where people like People vs. Preds and CCU have done great work getting a lot of these people arrested, L.A.
	County can now just Group can just group us in with people like Vitaly doing it not exactly the right way to get him arrested.
	Like we've had that problem in places like North Carolina where groups come in and they just kind of screw it up.
	And then we get a guy in North Carolina who admits to buying child pornography of infants and toddlers and nothing happens to him because they don't even want to touch anything with it now.
	So that's kind of what I worry about with that.
	Do you think there's a way to course-correct that going forward?
	Because the work you do is very important, and the reason it's so important is because, unfortunately, our members of law enforcement haven't seemed to make it the priority that they need to, so it requires people like you.
	I 100% agree.
	Yeah, I mean, when we started doing this in 2019, I mean, we were just screwing around in Walmart, just shouting at the pedos, too.
	I mean, you know, we definitely didn't come into it doing it the correct way.
	So I hope they do course-correct, and I hope they see the bigger picture.
	Like, if these people walk free, They will go out and harm a child, and unfortunately it's happened.
	We have 11 arrests in the state of Virginia on 12 catches, and the 12th catch did not get arrested.
	They decided to not charge him for whatever reason, and he went to go rape a girl in Idaho when he moved back there.
	So, it's important to get them arrested the first time.
	Yeah, I can imagine.
	And we have that, by the way, we have to deal with that on a different scale.
	But certainly, actually no, with undercover, the undercover unit, for example, the National Manifesto, Chippewa Falls, where we know that it could get clicks if we go out faster, if you, you know, if you basically glorify it in a way that is less than accurate.
	But sometimes the truth needs to be enough, and the process needs to be included.
	There's no reason you can't do both.
	Make it entertaining, and also make sure that the legal consequences are apportioned.
	I mean, really quick, Alex, so do you think that the goal, based on what we saw, was basically just exposure and to be able to try to make it, I don't know, make it sting a little bit for this guy, but not necessarily get him put in jail?
	Because it seems like they immediately started off by doing things that potentially could give them legal troubles.
	Yeah, I don't think the intent of that sting was to put that guy in jail.
	I don't think the intent of any of the stings that they do is to put him in jail.
	Like if you're shaving their eyebrows and stuff like that.
	Obviously, you're doing it with the knowledge that, hey, this guy's not going to go to jail, and maybe they think it's going to scare the pedo into not doing it again, but I can tell you, after doing this for five years, they absolutely do it again.
	The amount of sex offenders that we've caught that have just been fresh out of prison, the amount of people that we've caught twice, even when they're on bail, after they get arrested by us the first time, they will do the shit again, so there's no teaching them a lesson.
	That doesn't exist.
	Is that why your shirt, I can't see what the bottom would say, but dead pedophiles, is it society?
	Dead pedophiles cannot re-offend redpillthread.com.
	I think he's got a point.
	These guys are going to go ahead and do it again.
	Really quickly, without being explicit, what do you need to see in the communication to be able to have somebody get arrested?
	Just in case these guys out there don't know this, and they're doing the pedophile stuff, and they're doing these things, but they're not getting any actual arrest, nothing is actually changing.
	What do the cops need to see in those messages?
	Well, in California, for example, if that predator would have just sent a penis picture to who he thought was a minor, that would be enough to charge him.
	Arranging to meet a minor under sexual pretenses, that would be enough to charge.
	In every state, though, meeting who you believe to be a minor off the internet just under no sexual pretenses expressed, that's not illegal in any state.
	And I mean, that's definitely an issue, but that's just the case.
	So there definitely would need to be like a solicitation of a sexual act.
	It can't just be kissing.
	It has to be like, Anything from a hand job to all the way, so... Right, gotcha.
	Also, a concern that I have is, if we get into a culture of no receipts provided, and it's a take-our-word-for-it thing, then you could also slander people who aren't pedophiles, right?
	In other words, it could be like, hey, what if some guy is saying, I just came to actually have pizza with my niece, and they actually are?
	It can all be tossed into that same lot if we've never actually seen the explicit material, or at least some verification of it.
	Yeah, 100% agree.
	I mean, you could catch 10 actual pedos and then throw in somebody you have a personal vendetta against and nobody will tell the difference.
	Right.
	And that is something that we've seen.
	I mean we've seen that with the Me Too era.
	Good job.
	I know that we have gone late, sir, so I appreciate you making the time.
	I don't know if you have anything else that you wanted to add or what you're working on and where people can find you and support you, but I appreciate the insight.
	Yeah, for sure.
	So, we got a guy on the West Coast right now who... My decoy totally set me up for failure on this, so Hannah, if you're watching this, as politely as possible as I can say, go F yourself for this, but... So, we sometimes pose as a dad of a nine-year-old kid, and we have a guy named Eric Rowe, rested in Indiana because of it.
	He came into the hotel room, or he invited us into the hotel room, me, my decoy daughter, and then one of our subscribers playing the wife, and he, on the hot mic, says, Yeah, I molested my daughter, this and that, and then we dropped the hammer on him.
	He got arrested for child pornography and attempted child molestation.
	Y'all can go watch that on Rumble, Predator, Poachers, Marion, M-A-R-I-O-N.
	But, so we have another guy, similar situation, I'm playing as the dad, and then this guy expresses that he's bi-curious, and then, so, my decoy, she's texting as me, pretty much, and she's saying that, like, oh, I'll bring lubricant, and this predator's telling me to get my butthole ready, so thank you, Hannah, for that.
	Well, let me ask you.
	There's no time like the present.
	Is it ready?
	You know, I've never been in that situation before, but, you know, I mean, I've never thought I'd lose my virginity twice, but here we go.
	There you go.
	Hey, look.
	Sometimes you have to take one for the team and you'll really make it stick after he makes it stick.
	Or not stick.
	All right.
	The best place for people to watch you?
	If y'all want to go watch a video we just dropped right now, we caught a sex offender attempting to babysit an eight-year-old.
	He had over 1,200 images of child porn on his phone.
	He's facing the rest of his life in prison right now.
	Just type in Predator Poachers on Rumble.
	It's the latest video.
	Go check that video out.
	He is a scumbag.
	Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.
	Mr. Alex Rosen, the OG, we appreciate it, brother.
	Be well.
	Yeah, thank y'all so much.
	Take care.
	I love that guy.
	Both guests today, Vivek and Alex Rosen.
	It was good.
	I love those guys.
	It was a lot of fun and none of this of course happens without you.
	That's kind of the theme today is courage.
	Alex Rosen stepped out.
	Takes a lot of courage.
	Takes a lot of work to do what he does.
	Support him.
	And Vivek.
	Speaking on some things that a lot of people are afraid to discuss.
	It is a good question.
	Why do you think that very few other people in the Republican Party, I think it's important to notice there's a difference between that and people out there doing this kind of work.
	I certainly wouldn't consider someone like an Alex Rosen to be gutless, or anyone here in this room.
	But yeah, there is a disconnect between what we do, and not only the RNC, but a lot of the conservative, I would even say, media movement out there.
	It does seem like they've been a little bit neutered.
	So we would never be able to be this bold if not for your support.
	MugClub, loudearthcutter.com slash MugClub, $89 annually, and right now you get $10 off if you enter in the promo code MILITARY, and 10% of the proceeds will go to military charities, and it's going to be chat Thursday.
	You're about to say something there.
	Yeah, really quick before we go, we're working on trying to get Vivek to be able to do a Spaces tonight to talk a little bit more about the Ann Coulter thing with me and with Gingersnap, so just to see if we can kind of dive into it, because I think you guys had one of the better conversations about this stuff that I've seen, and more of that needs to happen.
	So check us out on social media and we'll see at G Morgan Jr.
	or if you follow Vivek, I think he'll probably be hosting if we do it.
	So we're trying to set it up so that we can continue to have these conversations and let you guys kind of chime in a little bit and see what you think about it.
	Because I got to tell you, I learned a bunch of new stuff by watching their conversation.
	I didn't realize some of the connections.
	I didn't realize how many people went home.
	I didn't realize, you know, tying it to pre-1965, post-1965.
	It was just, it was a really, really good thing for me to see and to get a little bit more information on.
	Good.
	I don't know what's on my desk right here.
	I don't know if you can see that.
	That's not me.
	If it's broken glass?
	It's probably broken glass.
	It's probably from our fight.
	Oh, I thought it was from my ring pop earlier.
	You have a ring?
	No, and that was a gift from me to you.
	Not for you to eat, but for you to cherish for the rest of your life.
	Okay, well, I only eat a small part of it.
	I'm going to have to clean that up.
	I'm going to have to clean that up.
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