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#101 FAT-SHAME BARBIE! Jordan Peterson, Gavin McInnes and Michelle Malkin | Louder With Crowder

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	You've found yourself at the junction where worlds meet.
	Politics.
	Civility?
	How about honesty in this country, folks?
	Entertainment.
	I don't like entertainment.
	And a whole bunch of other stuff.
	It's about having a healthy body image.
	If you have a very unhealthy body, you should have a horrible body image.
	Not a big home improvement market.
	We are definitely going to get letters.
	You're listening to Talk Radio's Strangest Animal.
	You're a strange animal.
	That's what I know.
	You're getting louder with Crowder.
	But you're a strange animal.
	I've got to follow.
	Glad to be with you.
	That's the sound of the weekend.
	That is the sound of the weekend.
	I'm your host, Stephen Kreider.
	All references available at louderwithkreider.com.
	Producing with me in video studio, as always, is my producer, Jared, who is not gay.
	Nope.
	Follow him on Twitter at notgayjared.
	I fulfill my legal obligations.
	Draw your own conclusions.
	Are we good?
	We're good.
	Good.
	Big show.
	Episode 101.
	101.
	101.
	Common college course.
	Yes.
	Which is perfectly fitting because we'll have Professor Jordan Peterson on the program.
	Newly famous after the Joe Rogan show.
	We wrote about him a while ago at University of Toronto.
	Everyone said he was a hate speaker because of this whole gender pronoun debacle.
	And a smart guy.
	Smart guy.
	Looking forward to sitting down with him.
	He'll be live in studio.
	Well, that's a treat.
	I should have said it's a big show.
	We have Michelle Malkin as well.
	We have Gavin McGinnis and Dr.
	Ben Carson.
	Big show.
	Ben Carson.
	Big show for a relatively slow week.
	That is true.
	It has been an awful week for news.
	Isn't it sort of coincidental that as we go into holidays, all of a sudden there's just no news?
	No.
	What a coincidence.
	When all the spending ads and budgets are gone, no news.
	Well, it's just one of those deals, right?
	It's news that's fit to print.
	Unless it's between Thanksgiving and Christmas.
	Then it's just, eh, it's a blip on the radar.
	It's one of those things, you know, I worked at Fox for four and a half years.
	I've basically appeared on every network out there.
	And, uh, listen, that's the secret.
	If there's no news to talk about, well, first off, if there's no news to talk about during a hot season or during sweeps week, they will talk about, they will create stories.
	Fabric is always, it's reliable, reliable.
	And then if there are some news, big stories, big stories to talk about during a season where they don't want to talk about, well, Unless it's Flight 370 and then just 24-7 for months.
	Just nurse on it.
	Flight 370.
	Remember that one that went to the Malaysian flight?
	Oh, the Malaysian flight.
	And then it was like three months.
	I know, I know.
	I never found it.
	All worthless.
	It's like the really disappointing series of...
	HBO or something.
	Of course, the show's going daily.
	The studio's not entirely finished.
	We have all the space, so I'm getting used to it.
	That's going to be a new sign.
	All right.
	Let's talk about the biggest stories because we'll have tons of guests tonight.
	Ben Carson, I'm looking forward to.
	Big story of the week?
	Biggest story of the week?
	Do you know what it is?
	I'm going to go ahead and guess.
	Can I cheat?
	No, you can't cheat.
	I know what it is.
	Donald Trump, Time, Person of the Year.
	There you go, right up there on screen.
	Donald Trump named Time, Person of the Year.
	Well, hold on a second, Jared.
	Jared just brought up a screen of Hitler.
	Let me explain the context right off the bat.
	So Donald Trump named Time, Person of the Year.
	Right away, boycott time.
	From all the left.
	Let's boycott Time magazine.
	People were furious.
	And you have Sean King.
	Now you can bring up the screen.
	Sean King saying, well, I guess Trump...
	Well, he sounds like a white guy.
	Yeah, he sounds like a white guy.
	Trump is in good company with Mussolini, Hitler, Stalin.
	Hold on a second.
	Stupid.
	Do you understand the point you're making?
	You're proving that the left is offended by everything.
	Time's person of the year is not the best person on planet Earth.
	It's not Time's favorite person.
	It's the person of the year.
	It's the person who had the biggest impact on the news cycle.
	Time magazine focuses on news of the year.
	And you can bet if Hillary won, it probably would have been Hillary.
	Yes.
	If Hillary won, it would have been Hillary.
	After 9-11, it was Rudy Giuliani.
	They've had terrorists.
	They've had Hitler.
	They've had Stalin.
	Do you think that Time Magazine would put Hitler on their cover?
	Because he's their fave?
	Because they love him.
	This just can't get enough.
	Hitler's totes adorbs left on the cover.
	Okay, so shouldn't that prove a point?
	First off, Time, I guarantee you, is riddled with leftists employed there.
	It's not a conservative publication.
	Guarantee you that.
	We've reached a point in the United States where people are offended at the mere documentation of history.
	Could you imagine if someone wrote an article?
	Well, you know, this is pretty bad.
	Slavery is still going on in the United States.
	I just can't.
	I'm boycotting.
	I can't even believe you'd say the word slavery.
	We're offended at documenting that Donald Trump has had influence.
	Now, I love watching this.
	I love watching leftists melt down.
	It just shows how intolerant they are.
	Boycott Time Magazine.
	First off, Time Magazine is going to boycott itself, alright?
	It's probably not going to be around that much longer.
	Did you see this when you watched it?
	I was going, hold on a second.
	Do these people realize that time were not Hitler?
	I don't know.
	I feel like Twitter should just come with pacifiers these days.
	By the way, these are the same people who lamented laborious the death of Fidel Castro.
	Oh!
	Oh, he was a folk hero to us.
	Then he was disappointing.
	They had a moment of silence for the guy, didn't they?
	Yeah.
	Chris Matthews said he was like a folk hero to leftists, and then tried to say, well, he was disappointing.
	Like, he was part of a murderous communist regime, and you're putting his mistakes on par with, oh, that cab driver was so rude to me!
	It's boring.
	Service was not quite at the par.
	And now they're offended at Donald Trump being on Time Magazine.
	And by the way, we have later on coming on the show, there's a new rendition of Baby It's Cold Outside because the first one was too rapey.
	Everything's offensive.
	Amy Schumer's going to be Barbie.
	For those listening terrestrially, I apologize.
	We do not cover the repairs of your radios on which you no doubt vomited.
	It is one of those issues.
	Now, listen, a lot of people are saying, why haven't you been talking about Trump a ton these past couple weeks?
	Let me explain to you why.
	Because he hasn't done anything yet, and this is a phase where I've seen with every president, they make a lot of promises or they make a lot of pivots is the term you see in the media.
	Meghan McCain was on a network called Pivot for a while.
	Until she brought her double Z's over there to Fox News.
	I feel like this is the month gap where they're just trying to do anything they can to stay in the news.
	It's a month gap where they really have to confirm why people voted for them.
	And often this is a time where you see a lot of pandering.
	Because they're trying to unify the country.
	You do have to ride that first wave.
	So how do I feel about Donald Trump?
	I just don't want to speculate because anything he says right now could go either way.
	On the cabinet picks, some of them have been great.
	I think win some, lose some.
	I really like the, and we're talking about the guy who will very likely repeal Obamacare.
	I love that Obama's legacy will be like a fart in the wind.
	I'm glad that it's going to go away very quickly.
	The carrier deal.
	It did happen, though.
	And that happened, and I didn't talk about it a lot last week because we didn't have a ton of information.
	We have more now, and there's been some more fallout.
	So I think we can talk about this because, again, Time magazine, I would say this is the next biggest story, and I think there are a few things that people are missing.
	Donald Trump carrier deal, the left was furious.
	He claimed he saved more jobs.
	They claimed he didn't save as many jobs as he did.
	Donald Trump's really been appealing to the Rust Belt sort of union workers, blue collar.
	That's been a big part of his strategy.
	Well, the union heads are doing as union heads do.
	Roll clip.
	Chuck Jones, who is president of United Steelworkers 1999, has done a terrible job representing workers.
	No wonder companies flee country!
	What do you say, Chuck, when you hear that?
	Well, first of all, I'm very damn nice.
	But with Donald Trump saying it, That must mean I'm doing a good job because these people are making a decent wage at Carrier, and I feel like I'm somewhat involved in making that happen.
	Yeah, right.
	So this guy goes on to then, you know, no word of the fact that this union could be the reason that so many jobs are leaving the United States.
	Yeah, nice pat on the back, seems appropriate.
	He goes on to it, we don't have it in the clip, we have to be careful with CNN clips because they might hit us with copyright infringements, thanks YouTube, to attack Donald Trump repeatedly, mercilessly.
	These people are just, they're attacking, they're attacking, they're attacking, the unions are.
	We saw this coming.
	We talked about this.
	And this is something, like I said, I have a lot of grace for people whenever they're about to go into office, win some, lose some with Donald Trump.
	But Donald Trump has made a part, and everyone has praised him, right?
	So he's beholden to this a little bit, how great he is in the Rust Belt, how he's going to shake up the map.
	And he has talked about tariffs, and he has talked about bringing back manufacturing jobs, and he has done so without expressly addressing the elephant in the room.
	Which is unions who are a big reason, you know, unions and crony politicians in the Midwest, all of whom virtually are Democrat.
	And Donald Trump as president doesn't change that, doesn't change the local legislature.
	So when you say you're going to bring the jobs back, when you're going to punish companies from leaving, and you're not addressing the reason they're leaving right off the bat, and a big part of that is unions because you got a lot of votes from them, this is what's going to happen.
	And here's my point.
	Stop trying to pander.
	Not just Trump.
	Anyone.
	Stop trying to pander to people who will never be your friends.
	AFL-CIO will never be your friends.
	Donald Trump.
	The UAW will never be your friends.
	The Steelworkers Union will never be your friends.
	Look at their political contributions, which far outnumber Big Oil, which far outnumber the Koch brothers.
	It's not even close.
	They will never be your friends, Republicans.
	And so I definitely see this being a twisty, windy road to the depths of hell if you don't Make a pre-existing condition, if you will, that, alright, listen, we want to bring jobs back, but we need to address this.
	We need to address the root problem.
	I am on board with lowering corporate tax rates.
	I am on board with relieving these companies who are beholden to these corrupt unions as best as you can.
	But let me do the math for you.
	Over the past 15 or 16 years, about 5 million jobs in the manufacturing sector have gone away, okay?
	Most of those are not due to outsourcing.
	They're due to automation.
	Now, I don't think many of us are arguing that with automation we should do away with that, right?
	Then you become like one of those fight for 15 morons.
	So, even if Donald Trump were to bring back all of the jobs, right, you're talking about maybe, let's say, 100,000 a year.
	Let's say you were to bring back 100,000 a year in a labor force of 152,000, it wouldn't do enough.
	It wouldn't do that much.
	It wouldn't be a drop in the bucket.
	And we're doing this to try and pander to a voting base, not to try and fix an economy, and you're trying to pander to a voting base who will throw you under the bus anyway.
	You negotiate with these people, they're going to come back and bend you over to the next negotiation and want more, and when you don't, they're going to give virtually 99% of all their contributions to Democrats, as they have done.
	99% of their contributions have gone to Democrats throughout history.
	That's not going to change.
	They're not your friends.
	Stop trying to make them your friends.
	I'm your NotKJ on the Shelf.
	I got a complimentary with every Bud Club site up now through Christmas.
	Only $99 annually.
	$69 for students and vets.
	What are you...
	What are you doing here?
	Get access to Loud Earth Crowder's Daily Shelf.
	Finally!
	And all of CRTV's lineup, including Mark Stein, Mark Levin, and Michelle Malkin.
	But how'd you get in here?
	Shoot me an Astroglide Hey Jared, what are you doing?
	Shooting bad guys.
	With what?
	By AR-15.
	Where'd you get it?
	AR-15.com.
	Enunciate it more clearly so our audience can hear.
	AR-15.com.
	That's better.
	They sell guns now?
	Yeah, they do.
	Are they any good?
	They're the best.
	Where from?
	AR-15.com.
	Kaboom!
	Kaboosh!
	You really make that sound?
	Didn't have the budget for sound effects.
	Kaboow!
	Kaboow!
	Oh, there's another one!
	Kaboow!
	You shot him!
	With what?
	By AR-15!
	From where?
	AR-15.com.
	Hey, how do you know they're bad guys?
	Dirtboards and burkas.
	Kaboow!
	That's racist!
	That's Hopper Growling.
	We have Jordan Peterson coming up after the break.
	Looking forward to Jordan Peterson.
	Then we have Michelle Malkin, Gavin McGinnis, Dr.
	Ben Carson.
	Get your coffee ready.
	Or your methamphetamine.
	Ooh.
	Or crack if you're from his hometown of Detroit.
	So I had more to say on Trump and the carrier deal.
	You know, we'll get into it.
	We'll get into talking about the deficit and GDP a little later.
	It's kind of boring to lead it off.
	But long story short, I think, and the same thing you're seeing with Dr.
	Ben Carson this week.
	Listen, Dr.
	Ben Carson, there are some things I like about him, some things...
	There's nothing I dislike about him, but sometimes I worry about his experience level.
	Sometimes I worry about things that he said, but I really like him.
	I think he's a decent guy, okay?
	But wherever you line up, there is no proof to the allegations from the left that Dr.
	Ben Carson is a racist or a xenophobe.
	There's no doubt.
	And so when it comes to...
	Even with people with whom I disagree, and Dr.
	Ben Carson, I wouldn't say is amongst them, I feel compelled.
	Is it me?
	I feel compelled to defend them when the left makes these accusations.
	Donald Trump appoints xenophobic racist Ben Carson.
	Really?
	The black guy raised in Detroit to a single mother who he tried to stab?
	I mean, when we talk about the black experience, the guy has a gold membership.
	I don't understand.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Because remember, I was like, well, Condoleezza Rice isn't really black.
	Well, Colin Powell.
	But now they've taken Colin Powell back.
	He's a real Negro.
	We'll take him.
	It's Latin.
	It's not racist.
	Shut up.
	Okay.
	One of the clips that I really like from this week that I just felt we have to run and then we have to get to.
	Amy Schumer.
	Rick Santorum.
	Something to like.
	Something to disagree with Rick Santorum on passionately.
	But he was asked in a CNN form with Van Jones by basically an illegal immigrant.
	Let's use the proper terminology.
	She was trying to talk about the possibility of being deported or not being able to remain illegal.
	Well, let's roll the first clip.
	This was the setup.
	Marley was dead to begin with to garner sympathy.
	And I... Stand to lose all the work that I've done if the new administration decides to end DACA, which is the program that allows undocumented individuals, like myself, to have the ability to work.
	Uh-huh.
	Well, because she put on a nice pantsuit, she should be able to commit felonies.
	She looks like that Americana girl from Ugly Betty.
	Yeah, what's her name?
	America Rivera.
	No, not America Rivera.
	Mexico Rivera.
	What is it?
	Illegal Rivera.
	Yeah.
	Someone will get us her name and they'll be relieved.
	Just stop it.
	Don't call her Ugly Betty.
	That was the name of the show.
	That was the name of the show.
	Alright, so Rick Santorum, they were expecting him to try and tiptoe around this and you're like, well, maybe so, maybe not.
	And listen, it takes brass balls to respond the way Rick Santorum did.
	Go ahead.
	Not a very, very pleasant place to be.
	And I remember asking him, and he hated Italy because it was a horrible childhood in his mind.
	And I asked him, I said, you know, did you ever resign America?
	He said, no, America was worth the wait.
	It was worth doing it the right way.
	And I think what most people in America feel...
	Is that you can get a tremendous benefit by being here in this country.
	You just described something that I don't know what country that your parents came from.
	But my guess is you wouldn't have had the opportunities to be able to accomplish what you have.
	And my final point is you have the ability to go to any other country right now.
	And apply those wares and be successful and then reapply to come back to America if you so choose.
	Look at his face.
	Look at his face.
	I love this.
	- Senator, can I answer?
	- Oh, oh, oh, all right, come back.
	He's just like, whatever. - Whatever. - Whatever.
	Listen, I mean, I don't think anything else.
	You're racist.
	Why'd you say that to me?
	What are you supposed to say?
	That Navarro lady?
	A lady who claims to be Republican, but all she's done is made a career off of bashing Trump.
	Why do all your Mexican women sound like dudes?
	I don't know.
	I can't go up that high.
	Once we get the better soundboard, you can bring...
	Oh, okay, that's a good point.
	We can sound like not gay Jared on the shelf.
	So I just love...
	It's very rare that you get a moment this earnest.
	Because, listen, all of us feel that way.
	I know I do.
	Someone's like, well, what about me?
	I'm here illegally.
	Do you think we should get rid of me?
	Yes.
	And so they expect us to say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	And I love the mm-hmm.
	Every now and then, you get somebody who just doesn't back down.
	And they don't always get credit.
	Sometimes Rick Santorum doesn't get credit for this.
	Speaking of credit...
	Amy Schumer.
	I don't really know what the segue is there.
	There wasn't really a big fat joke.
	No.
	That's about all we can do with Amy Schumer.
	It gets old hat.
	But she has been assigned the role of Barbie.
	And Not Gay Jared can bring up her letter.
	So everyone was obviously saying...
	The resemblance is uncanny.
	Yes, the resemblance is uncanny.
	It's like if Barbie...
	If Barbie had befallen on her, the scenario of Macaulay Culkin at the end of My Girl, and she were stung with a thousand bees, she would then look like the picture on the left, Amy Schumer.
	Anyone who didn't see My Girl, you should be ashamed of yourself, and for those who did, you're welcome.
	So she responded because people were saying, you know, I just don't really think Amy Schumer will make a good Barbie.
	Listen, they're not going to cast me as the new cool hand Luke.
	I'm okay with it.
	I'm disappointed.
	Here's what she wrote.
	Jared, bring it up.
	She responded with very honor to be nominated for two Grammys and to be considered to play an important and evolving icon.
	Remember only a few weeks ago when they were releasing Normal Barbie?
	It wasn't an important and evolving.
	It was a sexist icon.
	But now that it's Amy Schumer, we're all hands-on Barbie.
	Is it fat-shaming if you know you're not fat and have zero shame in your game?
	I don't think so.
	But you don't know that.
	You just claim that.
	I am strong and I am proud of how I live my life and say what I mean and fight for what I believe in.
	So you believe in being a middle-aged, unmarried, motherless, miserable whore.
	That's her bit.
	She talks about whoring herself out.
	You set your stopwatch with Amy Schumer, right?
	And she goes out, walks out on stage like the Chelsea Handler thing.
	This is the female comedian bit.
	Ah, I'm a filthy slut.
	Dang, 14 seconds.
	Wow, she made it 14 seconds.
	That's Amy Schumer's...
	Listen, if you're proud of that, that's fine.
	But people have the right to criticize it.
	Just like people have the right to criticize Barbie, who wouldn't have made it in the Excel catalog a mere few years ago.
	I'm a badass comic headlining arenas all over the world and making TV and movies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	Anyone who has ever been bullied or felt bad about yourself, I'm out there fighting for you, collecting multi-million dollar checks for a movie that will flop.
	And I want you to fight for yourself, too.
	We need to laugh at all the haters and sympathize with them.
	If I say I'm beautiful, I say I'm strong, you will not determine my story.
	I will.
	Here's the thing.
	Incorrect.
	You don't get to determine if you're beautiful.
	Much like Lena Dunham taking a crap on a toilet.
	Selfie, please!
	That's disgusting.
	Take it off.
	Does not get to determine that that's beautiful.
	We say Lena Dunham on a toilet, defecating, is not sexy.
	We prefer our Barbies to be sexy.
	Amy Schumer, you're funny.
	To some, you're not sexy.
	Barbie is not known as the funny chick at the bar.
	She's the hot chick.
	She is the trophy wife.
	That's what Barbie is.
	You are not.
	Jordan Peterson next on now the recovered audition tapes from Barbie starring Amy Schumer Yeah, I wasn't really a huge fan of that one.
	No, I thought that that was very where he was acting.
	Okay, Chase, you will be reading for the role of Ken, so you've read the sides.
	Yep.
	And let's just start with trying the theme song.
	Okay, keep rolling the song and the reveal on Amy.
	Now.
	Come on, Barbie.
	Let's go.
	No, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	No.
	Stay tuned for more Recovered Audition Tapes from Barbie.
	Starring Amy Schumer.
	She can make babies.
	Not too much dancing.
	We have to be professional because we have a real guest here, Real guest.
	Real guest.
	He's a gentleman and a scholar, quite literally.
	We say that a lot.
	We say that.
	We mean it this time.
	But it's not true.
	He's a professor at the University of Toronto, Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube.
	Jordan B. Peterson, at Jordan B. Peterson on Twitter.
	I have those plugs right, correct?
	You do.
	You do.
	I highly recommend it.
	So we wrote about Professor Jordan Peterson a while back.
	He can just talk about exactly what it was.
	It rolled around.
	Gender pronouns and freedom of speech versus supposed social justice.
	I come from Canada where it was just sort of assumed.
	And then now he's blown up.
	He's been all over Joe Rogan on the interwebs.
	Thank you for being with us, sir.
	Nice dance.
	Well, thank you.
	You're very graceful.
	Well, you know, it's funny.
	With Canadians, until he smiles, you don't know about the piercing stare.
	It's kind of left in the dark on that one.
	Kind of left in the dark.
	So I appreciate it.
	You know, sometimes it's like you get professors and they say, I appreciate humor.
	Mm-hmm.
	But they don't crack a smile.
	Well, apparently they've had some kind of a face issue.
	I try not to crack a smile when I'm making jokes.
	Really?
	Why?
	It's more amusing to me that way.
	That's more amusing to you.
	I can understand that.
	So your art is only for yourself.
	You know what some Canadians call that?
	Pretentious.
	Explain to us exactly what this was.
	You are not playing ball with the gender pronouns.
	Tell me the situation at University of Toronto.
	This is how most people know you, and then we can expand on it.
	Yeah, well, there was a bill that was passed, a piece of legislation in Canada that's almost passed now at the federal level called Bill C-16, and what it purports to do is to add gender identity and gender expression to the list of protected groups under the Canadian Human Rights Code and the Criminal Code, and so it makes harassment and discrimination You can pursue it under the hate provisions of the Criminal Code.
	That doesn't seem so bad, but the problem is that it's interpreted in a broader set of policies that were laid out in the Ontario Human Rights Commission, and those policies are very bad, in my estimation.
	Well, it's one thing a lot of Americans don't understand, and I remember talking about this with Ann Coulter back in the day when they banned her from, was it Ottawa?
	University of Ottawa?
	It was somewhere in Ottawa.
	I think it was University of Ottawa, yeah.
	I think it was, yeah.
	I'm not sure.
	And I said, well, you don't understand freedom of speech is not really a legally protected right in Canada.
	We don't really have it the same way the United States does.
	And she couldn't really believe it.
	And I said, well, here are some precedents, legally hate speech.
	And a lot of people say, well, we do have freedom of speech, we just don't allow hate speech.
	So is that kind of what the Senate around there in Ontario with the LGBTQAIP situation?
	Well, the thing that bothered me was that the legislators under the pressure from these marginal...
	Social justice type groups are instantiating a particular view of human identity into the law.
	And the view essentially is that your identity, regardless of its level, but say your sexual identity, your sexual preference, your gender expression, which is essentially your fashion choices, Yes!
	It is.
	I'm dead serious about that.
	Well, you know, Lauren Southern is a friend of both of ours and she has some tranny friends who are also very nice.
	They were really mad because we had a psychiatrist on who had dealt with a lot of transgender people.
	She said probably some of the most deeply disturbed individuals she had come across who required the most work.
	And she talked about how there used to be transsexuals and transvestites, and most transgenders don't go through with the bottom surgery at all.
	As a matter of fact, many of them don't go through the top surgery or even the hormone replacement therapy.
	And I said, what's the difference between today's transgenders and, you know, last decade's transvestites?
	She said none.
	It's just a term.
	So you are actually medically accurate, but it's wildly offensive and you'll get letters.
	Yeah, well, you see, the problem is for me that it's very dangerous to make a law that forces the presumption that there's no relationship between the underlying biology and people's identities, because as far as I'm concerned, that's factually false.
	It's conceptually weak, but it's also factually false.
	And the law actually goes farther than that, so you can imagine that identity has a number of components.
	Biology would be one.
	That's the part that's associated with the objective world, with the real world.
	And the idea that that doesn't have any influence on people is palpably insane, especially given...
	It's even insane in terms of the internal workings of the arguments that the people on that side of the equation are making.
	So, for example, when transsexuals go through with...
	With surgical and hormonal procedures, they're obviously acting on the presupposition that biology is an important component of identity because they wouldn't bother with the hormonal treatments otherwise.
	That's certainly not merely something that has physical consequences.
	Okay, so then you could say, well, you know, your identity as a man has a biological component and it has a sociological component.
	And you can argue about how much of the way that you are and the way you present yourself is culturally constructed and how much of it is biologically based.
	But there's some contribution of both.
	Okay, the law insists that there's no contribution of the biology.
	And then you could say, well, that makes your identity only a social construct.
	But then the law goes farther than that.
	It doesn't even allow...
	For the social construction element of it to be part of the game, because you're allowed to define your identity subjectively in any manner you see fit.
	Right.
	But then they also demand taxpayers pick up the tab for the biological component when they want to change it.
	I don't know about that in Canada, but I know in Nancy Pelosi's district, we were talking about that with the...
	The reason the Electoral College exists is so that values can be protected within the state, so that someone in North Dakota isn't paying for your adedictomy over there in San Francisco.
	Right.
	But that's the big irony.
	Well, it's a social construct, but this idea, kind of what you're talking about, if there can be a male brain and a female brain, meaning if you were born to the wrong carcass, to the wrong gender, well, that sort of counters their entire premise to begin with.
	Well, one of the things that I pointed out in the first video I made, I made three videos on this topic.
	One about the bill.
	And the danger of making law out of this kind of doctrine.
	And another complaining, criticizing the University of Toronto's decision to make anti-racism and anti-bias training mandatory for their staff, which is something I regard as a form of pseudo-scientific political re-education.
	I think there's no excuse for it whatsoever, and in fact the evidence for that sort of thing suggests that mandatory anti-racism and anti-bias training either has no effect or makes people worse.
	So you spoke out against this?
	Yes.
	And you're still gainfully employed.
	Yes, although I received two warning letters from the university.
	I'm not saying I have any problem with that, but I'm surprised.
	Yeah, well, I mean, it could have gone...
	I think what the university essentially did, because I said in the video, in the first video, that what I was doing in making the video was probably already...
	Illegal according to the Ontario Human Rights Commission and then they were going to make it illegal federally and so I said even making the video criticizing the legislation was probably already illegal and that as my employer the University of Toronto was just as responsible for what I said as I am because that's also part of the legislation.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, people need to understand that that's very important, the legislative process here.
	People say, well, hate speech, and it sounds good to a lot of students, right?
	And I think it comes from a place of compassion.
	Well, we don't want to speak hatefully.
	We don't want to hate people.
	So, yeah, we shouldn't allow hate speech.
	But who then becomes the arbiter of hate speech?
	Well, that's the problem.
	And just because hate speech is wrong doesn't mean it should be illegal.
	No.
	I mean, the stuff Jared does on his day off.
	Those should be, you know, they're reprehensible.
	And wrong.
	And wrong, but I support his right...
	I just threw up all in my mouth talking about it.
	It's no wonder he works for you because you're obviously a very compassionate employer as well as a great dancer.
	Yes, and by the way, much of this is created biologically.
	The other half, lifetime fitness.
	It is.
	You're an impressive specimen.
	Thank you very much, Mr.
	Pierce.
	It's actually hard to sit here because of the glow of light that's coming off you.
	Well, you have that Sam Elliott sort of rustic vibe about you.
	Well, I am from northern Alberta, you know.
	This is true.
	Just like a primitive part of Texas.
	Is it horrible going into work now?
	I mean, you've been on Joe Rogan, and we've written about it, and we've had millions of people.
	Does everyone just respectfully, do they hate you in Toronto?
	No, no, no.
	The funny thing is that I'm more self-conscious when I go on the campus now.
	Yeah, I would imagine.
	You feel exposed.
	Yeah, I do.
	I do feel more exposed.
	And I'm not complaining about that, by the way.
	But...
	But I don't have anything to complain about with regards to what's happened.
	I mean, first of all, I've had overwhelming public support and what I wanted to do with the initial videos was to articulate my thoughts on the matter because it's very complicated what's happening politically around the world in Canada, in the US, in Western Europe, in Australia, New Zealand.
	It's very, very complicated and something isn't going well.
	And it's very hard to sort it out.
	And one of the things that's happened since I've had, there's been 180 press articles written about the videos and the consequences of those videos since September 27th.
	And a tremendous amount of public criticism.
	And one of the advantages to that, to being criticized publicly and also to being supported publicly, is that it forces you to get your arguments straight and straighter and straighter.
	It's like trading with a weighted vest.
	We said that about being raised in Canada.
	And this is where I wanted to discuss having been raised in Montreal.
	We didn't have any conservatives or libertarians.
	We had liberals and we had liberal separatists.
	I remember someone came into class in the fourth grade.
	I went to St.
	Francis of Assisi, came in in a Jean Chrétien mask saying, thank you all for getting your parents to vote liberal.
	They were totally unashamed doing this.
	And then when I went to college, I had a professor say, who's a Christian?
	Raise your hand.
	You probably won't pass this class.
	The class was Greek mythology.
	Apparently I can't pass a class because I couldn't open my mind enough to talk about waxwings flying close to the sun.
	This was just, it permeated everywhere.
	The other point of view didn't even exist.
	Whereas I had an American father who made sure I understood the American Constitution, why the United States was created the way it was, and most people don't.
	So you were saying off air, which surprised me, you thought that Toronto or Ontario had maybe evaded this sort of radical social justice warrior leftism, contrasting with the United States.
	I always assumed that it was the position in Canada by default.
	Well, I was thinking more specifically about the University of Toronto.
	I mean, the U of T is a very diverse campus, partly because Toronto has people from all over the world in it, many people from all over the world, people who've moved there from different countries.
	Immigrants, by and large, are relatively conservative.
	I mean, in Canada, the immigrants tend to support the Liberal Party because the Liberal Party has been more pro-immigration.
	But in terms of their fundamental stance with regards to social issues, almost all immigrants are more on the conservative side.
	Would they?
	Well, they're very pro-family, for example.
	Are Haitians?
	Like a lot of Haitians in Quebec, you know, because of the French laws.
	And French Canadians are often quite racist, so they weren't happy about it.
	Yeah, well, the immigration situation in Quebec is quite different than it is in Ontario, because there's preference for people who are French-language speakers for immigration into Quebec.
	But, like, the University of Toronto has a tremendous number of Asian students, and they're often children of first-generation immigrants, and they're extremely focused on educational attainment and employability.
	They're not really that interested in all things considered in political issues, and so because of that, the University of Toronto, I would say, has been...
	The student body at least has been more conservative in the old classic sense of conservative than might be typical say at an American Ivy League institution.
	That makes sense.
	Now what's happened is that the administration has become increasingly left-wing as the years have progressed and the administration has become more and more powerful and a lot of what is happening at the University of Toronto with regards to political correctness is a consequence of the doctrines that are put forward by the administration.
	Yeah, and you can take a sip of water.
	I'll take the floor here for a second.
	I could see it was getting parched after that, and our audience, I guarantee you, is enthralled.
	No, it's interesting that you say that.
	One thing I noticed, particularly in Montreal, I don't know if this is the case in Toronto, Asians almost entirely congregated only with Asians.
	It was very different from the United States.
	When I went to a school which was largely Middle Eastern, a lot of Asians, they would sit at their own tables in the cafeteria, and they just didn't intermingle.
	They had to when they played gym, you know, and they did their map out with dodgeball, and they were quite good at it.
	But they didn't intermingle, and that was one thing that was very different.
	It was people were separate cultures.
	They didn't even speak English or French at the school, and I wonder if that might have something to do with them being apathetic politically in a place like Toronto.
	No, I really do think it's just that they're more focused on their studies.
	Like, the U of T student body is a very hard-working group, and it's a relatively hard school to get into, and the academic standards are pretty high.
	And it's also not a social university.
	Because it's a downtown campus, because most people commute there, It's by no means a party school, and so I'm not really even that familiar with the manner in which students socialize.
	Let me hold that thought, and we'll talk about the manner in which Asians socialize and how much better they are than us at math.
	He said it, not me.
	Latterworth Crowder, stay tuned.
	He'll get letters.
	The fuck?
	I'm your not-gay-jared-on-a-shelf.
	I've come complimentary of every Mug Club sign-up, now through the new year.
	That sounds like a bargain.
	Have you signed up for your Mug Club yet?
	Only $99 annually, or $69 for students.
	I'm not...
	comfortable with this.
	Not only do you get access to Loud Earth Crowder daily, finally, but the entire CRTV lineup, including Mark Levin, Mark Stein, and Michelle Malkin.
	This is breaking and entering.
	Eh, I'd think twice about that.
	Some pretty damning photos are already on the cloud.
	I do what I say.
	When it's time to party, we will party hard.
	We'll be right back.
	Serious gout.
	From now on, we should only have Bach.
	That's a horrible idea.
	So I couldn't tell there, in that intro, whether you were dancing or twitching.
	Well, thank you for bringing it up.
	I have a long story history as an amateur boxer.
	So it's twitching.
	Yeah, well, let's just file that under Jordan Peterson making ill-timed Parkinson's jokes.
	Horrible.
	He's a bad man.
	There's never a bad time for a Parkinson's joke.
	Okay, so we were talking about this with Montreal and Toronto, very different upbringings.
	So you talk about being uneasy on campus.
	Is it just that you feel exposed?
	Do you feel targeted?
	Do you feel more so by faculty or by students?
	Because like you said, the majority of Americans don't have a problem with you saying, all right, a man is a man and a woman is a woman.
	But that's not the case on campus or in the media.
	Well, that's also not precisely what I said.
	What I said was that I wasn't going to use words that were made up by radical leftist activists because they were legislating the necessity for me to do that.
	I was softening it for you, but yes.
	Well, but it's a real specific issue for me.
	It is.
	It's a red herring in some sense that this happened to focus on the rights of transsexuals, because I don't really think that's what it's about.
	And I think the reason that, I think I mentioned earlier that there were 180 newspaper articles now published about this in the last two and a half months, which is, that's a crazy number.
	It's almost incomprehensible.
	For something that seems relatively benign.
	Well, that's it.
	Well, that's the thing.
	So, you know, when you're arguing with someone, even if you're doing this with someone you know well personally, a big part of the argument is often what is the argument about.
	You know, so if you're married to someone and you come home and maybe you're late...
	And your spouse is annoyed at you, what you have to decide as a couple is whether or not the argument is going to be about that particular instance or is it going to be about everything that's wrong with your relationship.
	And you know how sometimes a little argument can spiral up until you're arguing about absolutely everything, including whether you should even be together.
	Well, no, not in that case, but I'm quite certain the Clintons do.
	Okay, well, fair.
	And they have every reason to as well.
	So, figuring out what the argument is about is a huge part of the problem when you have a disagreement.
	And I don't think that this issue would have attracted anywhere near the attention that it attracted if it wasn't about something radically other than the specifics of this bill.
	And what it's really about, I believe, is the same thing that the American election hinged on, at least hinged on in part, which is...
	The group rights versus individualism, that's part of it.
	How we're going to decide how to balance things like fairness and justice in our society.
	What's the role of achievement versus equality?
	And the arguments about, say, equality of outcome versus equality of opportunity.
	It's going to be difficult for a Canadian in the era of Trudeau.
	I mean, I don't know if you saw that interview where he just seems to vehemently hate small business owners.
	He was talking about how it's really just a haven for tax breaks.
	I mean, in the United States, even Democrats have to say, well, we're the party of small business when really they're not the party of business at all.
	They're the party of big government.
	Sidney, this is a guy who really does believe in speech codes and believes in equality of outcomes and not opportunity.
	And it surprised me.
	It surprised me.
	Stephen Harper was the first guy I voted for as an adult.
	And he's probably the one person I voted for in my lifetime most proudly.
	And you guys were doing so well.
	Higher in the Economic Freedom Index, Canadians, did they just not know what they had?
	Because it seems like the culture has really changed quickly to one of oppressive political correctness.
	Well, the reason that a democracy works, at least in part, isn't because the people that you vote in have better ideas.
	It's not always obvious how much of any given candidate's ideas can actually be implemented into the political system, because there's a lot of checks and balances in it.
	And now and then it's good, maybe every decade or so, say speaking in the Canadian situation, it's every eight years here, that you just throw the people out and you replace them with a new group.
	And partly why that's so useful is because corruption tends to get instantiated if you leave people in power for any excess length of time.
	And I think part of what happened with Harper was that he had just been in power long enough so that people were starting to become skeptical of what he was up to.
	Yeah.
	And wanted to switch it.
	Now, I don't really think that people in Canada precisely knew what they were voting for, because I think Trudeau was much more influenced by radical leftists than any good liberals have any right to be.
	I mean, we have a socialist party in Canada, and the more radical leftists should be associated with the socialist party, with the NDP. Yeah.
	But they've invaded, let's say, the Liberals, and I would say to some degree the Conservatives.
	The Justice Minister in Canada is clearly a political correct activist type.
	Do you worry being targeted, given all the press now?
	Targeted in what way?
	Targeted by an active government who would do well to silence you.
	Well, I think it's anybody's guess whether or not I'll be hauled out in front of the Ontario Human Rights Tribunal.
	Those would be the logical people.
	You would stand up comedians because they have their priorities in order.
	Yes, exactly.
	Well, comedians, they should be silenced, you know, especially the ones that aren't that funny.
	Yes, exactly.
	But that happened with Mike Ward.
	I remember when I was doing stand-up, I was 17 in Montreal, we had Comedy Works, and everyone was going up there when Harper was elected, and they were just bitching about it and how they couldn't believe it.
	And I was sitting there going, do you understand that these are the people who will devour you?
	The liberals you claim to support, these people will devour you.
	And they never got it.
	And I think some of them are waking up now.
	A lot of comedians just still think it's about progress, but I don't think Americans understand that.
	When Amy Schumer and Elena Dunham say we're going to move to Canada, you're going to move to a place where a man was put in front of a human rights tribunal For offending a kid from a Make-A-Wish Foundation.
	So I certainly think you'll at least be audited.
	Yeah, well, I've been audited many times, so I'm sure that'll continue.
	Like clockwork?
	Partially audited.
	Well, I guarantee you your Prime Minister knows who you are, because Canada's not as big of a place as the United States, and he seems very tech-savvy, so he's probably been on your YouTube.
	I'm not sure he understood the more complicated parts.
	No, I'm not sure he did either.
	As a matter of fact, he's not really looking at YouTube.
	He has his phone off and he's just using it as a mirror.
	So it's easy to trick people.
	I'm sorry I said something nasty about him, but what he said about Castro was unforgivable.
	You must think you're somewhere else.
	You don't need to apologize for speaking out of Justin Trudeau.
	It's encouraged.
	Well, it was kind of a cheap shot.
	Well, it's not a cheap shot.
	The cheap shot was the guy who knocked him out in sparring, but it wasn't even that cheap.
	You said you were going to concentrate on that.
	Yeah, we had to concentrate on that.
	Let's do one more segment with Professor Jordan Peterson, and then we'll do a web extended, because I'm just learning so damn much.
	You better be learning.
	Take notes.
	I am learning.
	Take notes, not gay, Jared.
	Music isn't in yet.
	Where are we going?
	I thought you said 10 seconds.
	No, it's coming.
	Are you wrong?
	No, now it's 10 seconds.
	Now it's 10 seconds?
	Now it's 10 seconds.
	Okay, alright.
	You're fired.
	Yeah.
	And now, the recovered audition tapes from Barbie, starring Amy Schumer. the recovered audition tapes from Barbie, starring Amy Schumer.
	Edward, thanks for coming in.
	You'll be reading for the role of Ken.
	And we'll take that theme song from the middle verse and action.
	Come on Barbie, let's go party.
	Come on Barbie, let's go party.
	And the reveal on Amy and Barbie.
	Come on Barbie, let's go party.
	Now...
	Come on, Barbie.
	Let's go party.
	Come on, Barbie.
	Let's go party.
	Come on, Barbie.
	Let's go party.
	You know what?
	I don't think I'm right for this role.
	No, you're doing great.
	You're fantastic.
	No, you know what?
	I really just...
	I don't feel...
	I don't feel I'm right for...
	I just don't think this is me.
	No, keep going!
	No, I really just...
	I'm not feeling the motivation.
	Well, we can pay you more money.
	That's not about the money.
	I'm going to go.
	Let our EP know that we'll need a bigger budget in casting, Ken.
	Okay, but you know, Amy's going to want to be paid equally.
	Yeah, that's not going to happen.
	Stay tuned for more recovered audition tapes from Barbie, starring Amy Schumer.
	She can make babies.
	My producer's horrible at getting adequate plugs in.
	Thank you.
	You should be ashamed of yourself.
	Jordan Peterson, at Jordan B. Peterson on Twitter.
	Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube.
	Highly recommend it.
	The guy's blowing up all over the place right now.
	So you do have a program as well that you're in charge of.
	You mean in terms of popularity?
	Yes, I don't mean the refugees that you're taking in your country.
	Because if you kill your enemies, they win, Jordan.
	So you're creating this new program, the Future Authoring Program.
	Tell us what that is.
	So we've talked about your opinions and the controversy, but at the end of the day, what good is it unless you're giving back or you're helping?
	What is this?
	Shut off the damn espresso machine.
	Continue, sorry, with your point.
	Well, one of the things...
	I wrote a book about 17 years ago called Maps of Meaning, and Maps of Meaning was an attempt to detail out what people should do instead of becoming ideologues or nihilists.
	Right.
	And because...
	When you're searching for meaning, if you're detached from a traditional meaning system, like a religion, then you tend to move towards nihilism or towards a kind of ideological purity, like an authoritarianism.
	And both of those seem like extraordinarily bad ideas.
	If you're nihilistic, it's very hard to conjure up enough enthusiasm to keep living, because living is very difficult.
	And if you're an ideological authoritarian, then you're extraordinarily dangerous.
	It's funny that you say that, because obviously the argument from the New Atheists is that this sort of purity and this ideological authoritarianism would stem from religion.
	No, yeah.
	I wouldn't call them a particularly sophisticated group of thinkers.
	Well, the first thing I would say about that is that you shouldn't blame religion for what's essentially a consequence of tribalism.
	I think it's a good point.
	Well, and it's easy to confuse those two things.
	Chimpanzees go to war.
	With each other?
	Are you going to blame that on their religious beliefs?
	Well, it depends on what headdress they're wearing.
	So that was discovered by Jane Goodall back in the 1970s, and she actually didn't talk about that for a number of years because it shocked her so badly.
	Even if you look at Native Americans who were to pantheistic people, where really it's not centered over religion specifically.
	People, like you said, they've warred over territory, they've warred over goods and services.
	Regardless of religion, but it's a formidable tool, a propaganda tool for people to misuse, and I think that that's often misconstrued as a valid argument.
	It is.
	Well, you have to get the locale of causality correct, if you're going to think about these things deeply.
	Now, religion is a divisive force, but it's also a unifying force.
	And so, you can argue about whether it's more divisive than unifying.
	I think that's a foolish argument in some sense, because I think it depends on the situation, and it depends on the religion, and it depends on the historical context, and all of those things.
	But Christianity united people under the rubric of Christianity, and Buddhism united people under the rubric of Buddhism.
	And the thing is, for large groups of people to come together to interact and to communicate and to cooperate, they have to be able to do that under a shared value system.
	Now the problem is that group A that has a shared value system might want to go to war with group B that has a different shared value system.
	But you can't blame that on the shared value systems.
	Because if without a shared value system, then every single individual is at war with every other individual and that's really not an improvement.
	Can you blame it on the shared value system though?
	I think we'd probably find some common ground with Islam when that shared value system involves killing everyone who doesn't share that value system.
	Well, that's the issue.
	The issue is whether or not you can distinguish between a value system that's proper, like a game that everyone can play, and one that isn't proper, like a game that becomes murderous.
	And partly what I did when I wrote Maps of Meaning was to try to sort that out.
	But anyways, one of the consequences of that was that it struck me very Powerfully that individual development was the right alternative to nihilism and to ideological possession and so that the right way for people to move forward if they want to improve the world is to improve their characters and their skill set and their ability to communicate and their strength and their courage and all of those things and I designed some programs with my lab and with some business partners of mine including my old advisor at McGill University,
	Robert Peel and a student of mine from Harvard, Daniel Higgins.
	We developed this program called the Self-Authoring Program And one element of it is the Future Authoring Program, which we now have a Christmas special on, by the way.
	And the Future Authoring Program helps people write a vision for their future, and a counter vision, and then a plan.
	And so the program, which is a writing program, because writing helps people think, and thinking restructures their brain and their personality.
	The program helps people detail out a vision of their future three to five years down the road, and so it asks you some very pointed questions, like, imagine that you were trying to treat yourself properly, like someone you cared for and were taken care of, and you were going to set up a future for that person three to five years down the road.
	What would your family relationships look like?
	Maybe, how would you improve your relationship with your father and your mother and your siblings?
	Because that's always important to people.
	What would your career goals look like?
	What are your educational plans?
	How would you handle drug and alcohol use?
	Because that does a lot of people in.
	How would you take care of your mental and physical health?
	And so on.
	So we made the questions very specific.
	And then we asked people to write for 15 minutes about What they could have in their life and how they could act if things were going right for them.
	And then we ask them to do the reverse, which is to write for 15 minutes about what kind of hell their life could turn into if they let all their bad habits and resentments and poor choices aggregate and consume them.
	And everyone knows that.
	Okay, Jared.
	I hope you're listening.
	Well, I can tell.
	Three years down the road, he sees himself in the middle of a road, so it's not a good place to go.
	Well, I could tell when I came in here that he was a very troubled person, and I can see why you make fun of him a lot, and why he puts up with it.
	Well, yeah, he has no...
	Again, that middle of the road is not a place he wants to be, so the studio is better.
	Well, I suspect he also doesn't have that many other choices.
	This is true.
	So maybe your program isn't as useful because the Choose Your Own Path...
	Actually, no, that actually turns out to be wrong, because what we found is the program is the more apart at the seams someone is, roughly speaking, the better the program actually seems to work.
	And so imagine what's happening is that people are articulating out a kind of personal hell that they could avoid, and a personal heaven that they could attain to, so to speak.
	And that means Often people are afraid to move forward.
	They're afraid of what might happen if they move forward, if they make choices.
	But what this program does is help put the fears behind them, pushing them.
	Because maybe, and I do this in my clinical practice, someone might tell me about why they're afraid of making choices and making changes.
	And then I ask them, well maybe you should be more afraid of what will happen if you don't do that.
	And that's really helpful, because lots of times inaction really, really hurts people.
	And so we're helping people understand why their failure to act could put them in a place they really don't want to be.
	And then we're also helping them outline a goal.
	Now, the way the human mind is organized, and this is true for animals to some degree too, is that most of the positive emotion that we experience in our life, most of the pleasure that we experience, is actually experienced in relationship to a valued goal.
	So, for example, you're most likely to be happy when you see that you're progressing towards something that you want.
	Well, that assumes that there's something that you want.
	And so, if you haven't laid out a structure That's a structure of ambition in some sort with a high value at the top.
	It's very difficult for you to take any pleasure in your life.
	Well, that's the dopamine reward system, right?
	That's right, that is the dopamine reward system.
	Now, why do you know that?
	That's exactly right.
	I know that because I've had a lot of help and I'm pretty messed up.
	And I will say this, you know, people are very over-prescribed and over-diagnosed and I went through actual genetic testing and did have, you know, I've talked about this on here, but severe ADHD in a way where I just would accomplish something and would feel very tired.
	I just didn't really see pleasure in a lot of things.
	And I took a long time to work on that and kind of discover that about myself.
	But I learned all about that, you know, and I also learned about negative habits.
	Now you can create a neural pathway, you know, basically where you develop a habit to this is the path toward pleasure and that's how you see proclivities toward addiction with Gary Wilson on with pornography.
	Yeah, well, okay, so what happens is part of the reason that people are prone to addiction is because they don't have any proper non-addictive pleasures in their life.
	So here's an example.
	If you take laboratory rats and you isolate them so they're living alone in a cage, it's really easy to get them addicted to cocaine.
	But if you take the same rats and you leave them in a naturalistic environment, they'll pick natural rat activities over cocaine.
	It's very difficult to get them addicted.
	So that makes sense with why all the Wall Street bankers have the crack problem.
	Yes, that's right.
	You're saying they're isolated rats?
	I'm just saying they're all rats, pretty much.
	But not natural rats.
	You're compared more to lab rats.
	Yes, abnormal rats.
	Well, they should be the rats of Wall Street.
	So we've had about 5,000 university students, 5,000 to 7,000 university students now do this program, although it's not only for university students.
	They've just been our target program.
	By the way, for people listening, so if they want to be helped, where can they find this or learn about this?
	Because it sounds very helpful.
	They can go to a site called selfauthoring.com.
	S-E-L-F, authoring, as in writing books.
	Well, this is very important because when people, you know, you have all these sort of self-help gurus online or, you know, teaching young men how to be alpha males or this I'm sure you know red-pilling, which is great, waking up, but it doesn't really go beyond that.
	I hope that some people out there really do hear what this guy has to say and go to this site and go beyond just, it's great to learn that social justice worries have been lying to you for a long time, and it's great to talk about that, but there is a next step.
	Yes, and then the right next step.
	I really, I truly believe this, I truly believe this, that the right next step for people is to turn themselves into strong citizens.
	And strong means they're not afraid.
	And they have a goal, and they're pursuing it, and their lives are meaningful, and they're meaningful because they're pursuing something that's important.
	Yeah.
	What if they're pursuing, like, sex hormone replacement therapy, though, and ironically, your self-help program creates a giant super tranny?
	Hmm.
	Well, I can't say that that's a problem that we've really ever thought about.
	I also have to say that it's probably one that we won't be giving any serious consideration.
	Well, I'm just saying, what if you help the wrong person, right?
	That's always the We've raised the university students' performance who've done this program.
	We've raised their grade point average, roughly speaking, 25%, and dropped their dropout rate 20%.
	And we've done that in several different institutions.
	And here's what's really cool, I think, and this was very surprising to me, it came out of the research, is that The worse the students were doing, the better the program worked.
	And the biggest effect so far has been on males versus females, because males are underperforming women in most educational institutions.
	This eliminates the sex difference in performance.
	And the people it's helped most have been minority males.
	And it's helped them so much that we've obliterated the performance difference between the minority males in Holland and the Dutch national females.
	Wow.
	Yes, yes.
	So it's very, very cool.
	Jordan Peterson videos on YouTube.
	We're going to do a web extended version.
	This is fascinating stuff.
	Thank you so much for being with us.
	Stay with us on the digital sphere.
	Lotter with Crowder.
	Stay tuned.
	Why are you here?
	I'm your not gay Jared on the shelf.
	I come complimentary with every mug club set up now through Christmas.
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	It's better to have loved and lost, than never to have loved at all.
	Come cheer up my nights.
	Come cheer up my nights.
	It's better to have love at last.
	It's better to have love at last.
	Captain John Rook, God, and ever to have love at all the Federation Starship.
	Come cheer up my nights.
	Come cheer up my legs That song, of course, coming from Pogo.
	Is my microphone working properly now?
	It's properly working.
	Jared will be fired.
	NotKayJarod will be fired.
	Send all your hate tweets at NotKayJarod.
	For those who didn't know, yeah, that was a pre-tape with Jordan Peterson because he came from Canada.
	He actually stopped here on his way back to Canada.
	And when he stopped here, we were waiting for some stuff to come back in for the studio.
	I apologize for those listening terrestrially.
	We'll do our best to equalize it here before the podcast on the weekend.
	We should be good going forward, though, right, Jared?
	Should be good.
	Yeah.
	Listen, I know we hate to fool you.
	We have to pre-tip every now and then, especially with a Canadian, because they're friendly and we want to do what they say.
	Coming up after this segment, Michelle Malkin.
	Then we have Dr.
	Ben Carson and Gavin McInnes, which is good.
	So I have this up on my screen here.
	Amy Schumer's Barbie, yay or nay?
	And we've read the results.
	3% said yay.
	That's kind of rough.
	31% said nay.
	66% said vomiting induced.
	I don't want to say predictable results.
	Yeah.
	That was...
	The vomiting had already come in.
	It's all I'm coming.
	I don't want to be smart.
	I know what some of you are saying.
	Steven, isn't that body shaming?
	Mm-hmm.
	So we're going to have Michelle Malkin coming up next.
	Speaking of shame, we were talking about this earlier in the program, and now we have the audio.
	Not KJard thought it was a joke.
	He thought it was a parody when this happened.
	Because Baby It's Cold Outside, one of our most beloved Christmas songs, is now being ruined by social justice warriors, of course.
	Everything is, right?
	Time Magazine, we're offended at documentation.
	How could you put Trump on a magazine?
	How could you?
	Well, because he was the most influential person that year.
	He became president.
	Was one of the biggest underdogs in modern history to become president.
	Boycott!
	Boycott!
	And now we have, Baby It's Cold Outside, a nice love song, a romantic song, about a man trying to woo a woman at a party with a beautiful and storied history in American culture.
	They said it was too sexually aggressive, and they decided to rewrite it.
	Two people from Minnesota focusing on consent and rape culture, and it's as awful as you think it would be.
	Let's listen.
	You're talking about You reserve the right to say no At least I'm gonna say that I do You reserve the right to say no I really can't stay Well, you don't have to Oh, but it's coming down Oh, you didn't have the line in there about the pomegranate LaCroix?
	I couldn't.
	That's why I thought it was a parody!
	Okay.
	First off, the song was never about rape.
	Let's think about this.
	At least I can say that I've tried.
	I ought to say no, no, no.
	Right?
	She's talking about her parents getting mad.
	She's talking about trying to play it hard to get.
	Being coy, I ought to say no, no, no.
	They try to claim what's in this drink automatically means Bill Cosby's coming up to rape because of the muscle cell when all it means, potentially, I like this drink.
	What is this?
	Let's downplay the joy of playing hard to get with rape, though.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean...
	She was at the moment when she honored the Maxwell House!
	So, it's just like shooting fish in a barrel, rape, Bill Cosby jokes.
	And I'll never stop.
	I'll never stop, and I won't apologize.
	By the way, if you go to CRTV and say, by the way, your guy Stephen Crowder made rape jokes tonight.
	They already know.
	They already know.
	They saw this ride.
	They bought a ticket anyway.
	So the song is not about rape, but it is about a man trying to woo a woman and a woman trying to play hard to get.
	It's the dance that is love.
	It's the dance of romance, right?
	And let me tell you something.
	I ought to say no, no, no.
	A couple of drinks, does that make it easier?
	Does that lower inhibitions?
	Some would say that's by design.
	And some would say that people enjoy that.
	Listen, let me tell you something.
	I do that with my wife.
	I know I'm not raping her, and more often she does it to me.
	You get a couple of glasses of wine or cider, And my wife is all of a sudden really fun.
	She's a good-time gal.
	You see, I'm just saying, what I'm talking about is there's nothing wrong with this if it's consensual.
	And at no point did anyone assume that this wasn't consensual because this comes from a time where a man would pursue a woman.
	She liked to be pursued.
	She liked the person to be a gentleman.
	She liked the man to make the drinks.
	And she didn't assume that he was a sexual predator out to rape her and create a new orifice.
	A simpler era, some might say.
	And do you have any idea how many Americans across the country are guilty of rape if it's a couple of drinks?
	And oh, maybe I shouldn't.
	One thing escalates to another.
	Give my wife a couple of gin and tonics.
	Myself a couple of gin and tonics.
	Next thing I know, I wake up with a velour glove next to the bed and my ass hurts.
	I have no idea what happened and my wife is to blame.
	Not myself.
	Not Gay Jared's going.
	She's going to call.
	I can see his face right now.
	Not what you think.
	Get your minds out of the gutter.
	Talking light spanking.
	This one's just too perfect, too.
	Okay, here's another story.
	So we've ruined Baby It's Cold Outside.
	There are so many songs we can get into.
	And you know what?
	Listen, I'm just not going to do it.
	I'm not going to admit it.
	And it's sick and it's twisted that you're having kids grow up in a world where you have to listen to everything and go, oh, this romance song?
	Maybe he's raping her.
	Michael Douglas in Romancing the Stone?
	That's sexual assault.
	Princess Bride?
	My gosh, might as well be a prison gang rape.
	What are these people thinking?
	They see rape in everything.
	They see the world through a prism of rape.
	Like a kaleidoscope of just women being raped non-stop when they rotate it.
	It's like an LSD trip of rape.
	You know what a kaleidoscope is, right?
	I do.
	Silver tuna tonight!
	This one is perfect.
	So a fat kid.
	It actually doesn't seem that fat in his defense.
	Santa Claus, who's a jerk, right?
	Santa Claus here is a jerk in this scenario.
	Tells the kid he might want to lay off the cheeseburger and fries or something.
	You know, probably had a bad day.
	Obviously unprofessional.
	But the Santa had to resign.
	It became a national story.
	And I was sitting there with Not Gay Jared and Aaron when we were working and pulling together clips.
	And I will say, I had them about urinating themselves.
	Before we watched the clip, I just love it.
	I love it, these stories.
	Whenever there's something that's so absurdly silly, but local news has to cover it seriously.
	So I sat there and said, before I play this clip, well, this Santa Claus was spreading anything but holiday cheer.
	When he told little Johnny to lay off the burgers and fries.
	I thought I was semi-accurate.
	Here's the actual report.
	Just for laughs.
	He says Santa body shamed him.
	Here's what happened.
	Nine-year-old Anthony May says he went to sit on Santa's lap and he asked for an iPod Touch and a drone for Christmas.
	But when he got up to leave, he says Santa told him to be a good boy and lay off the hamburgers and french fries.
	Alright, listen.
	I think that Santa Claus is a jerk fired great.
	But the fact that this makes it into our national news cycle tells you about today's current outrage culture.
	But there is something just mercilessly funny about a local crappy network being forced to cover an entirely silly issue seriously.
	And today at the Squirtle water skiing event...
	Young nut gatherer took a dime.
	It's just they have to do this.
	I don't know why.
	Whenever I've seen local news, half the time I go, why is this still on?
	You know, you get your local news from your local site, your weather, and it's just silly.
	So I don't know.
	It was just one of the things that was really funny.
	We have Michelle Malkin coming up after the break.
	She's fetching.
	She's fetching.
	Hey, Jared, what are you doing?
	Shooting bad guys.
	With what?
	By AR-15.
	Where'd you get it?
	AR-15.com.
	Enunciate it more clearly so our audience can hear.
	AR-15.com.
	That's better.
	They sell guns now?
	Yeah, they do.
	Are they any good?
	They're the best.
	Where from?
	AR-15.com.
	You really make that sound?
	They're not the budget for sound effects.
	Oh, there's another one!
	You got him!
	With what?
	By AR-15!
	From where?
	AR-15.com.
	Hey, how do you know they're bad guys?
	They're birds and burkas.
	Kaboom!
	That's racist!
	That's racist!
	This is a nice lady, great guest.
	She was one of our first guests on the program.
	I couldn't be more excited to see her name on the marquee at CRTV, where I will be.
	People who are Mug Club members already know will be launching Daily Crowder at CRTV. The Mug Club, you get access to all of it.
	She has a new show out, Michelle Malkin Investigates.
	Mrs.
	Malkin, thank you for being here.
	Mr.
	Crowder, thank you for having me.
	Look at you.
	Now, is this just you wake up like this, or are you at a studio right now because you're embarrassing me?
	Well, you know, I wasn't foxified.
	That was all the past couple of days.
	I just came down to D.C. from New York, so I don't have the fluttering eyelash thing.
	Being Foxified is nowhere near as dangerous as it used to be now that Roger Ailes is out.
	But we are very...
	Gosh.
	Okay.
	I will hush, but he didn't.
	And that's the problem.
	So we're glad to have...
	So you have this show, Michelle Malkin Investigates, for people who don't know.
	So we've got Marc Levin, Marc Stein, you know, they'll be doing these daily shows.
	I love the daily show.
	People kind of know what that looks like and how embarrassing it is.
	Yours is different.
	Yeah.
	When I've described it to people, it's kind of like a...
	Michelle does sort of a 48 hours.
	She goes through and investigates some of these, I guess, cases that people don't know a whole lot about.
	Kind of making...
	Was it how to make a murder, Jared, or making a murderer?
	Making of a murderer.
	Making of a murderer.
	Making of a murderer, only no cats get thrown over a fire dipped in turpentine.
	How would you describe it?
	Well, I would say that it is the right-thinking version of Frontline on PBS, or what would happen if 60 Minutes wasn't faking news.
	So no Emmys in your future.
	Yeah.
	So, you know, I mean, I've been doing daily opinion and news journalism now for 25 years, and this is something I've always, always, always wanted to do, have the time and space to go much deeper.
	Than in just any single column or blog post or four minutes on cable TV. And so a lot of the topics actually stem from, in fact, this whole season of what will be a total of 13 shows come from my ideas, my past work, product, my sources.
	And we've released the first four episodes.
	They're available.
	Can I show a clip for people who haven't seen it and then we'll come back?
	Please do.
	There we go.
	Okay, let's show a clip so you can see what it's about.
	And then there's a specific case I'd like to talk about after this.
	Jared, do your job.
	Roll the clip.
	An all-new Michelle Malkin investigates.
	The government trading visas for Chinese cash.
	Liberals like Bernie Sanders, they're all for benefiting the rich as long as the government is running the program.
	One Vermont town is caught in the crosshairs.
	This is the biggest EB-5 fraud in the country.
	The fact that they were calling in a hole in the ground was a deep concern for city officials.
	I call it an economic disaster.
	The dark world of EB-5.
	MMI is all-new on CRTV. My first question is, did you meet the guy who does the Dark World voiceover?
	No, he's like some disembodied voice somewhere in a classified location.
	He's a head in a jar, you pay a nickel to see in a tent.
	I should hire you to do it.
	I could do it.
	I could change my voice.
	But then the problem is, you know, then your time is not your own every time a new drama comes out.
	There's a case that I was reading about.
	I know you've done some episodes on this.
	So Daniel Holtzclaw.
	I think this is very...
	Am I pronouncing it right?
	Holtzclaw?
	Yes.
	Okay, so this is a case a lot of people maybe don't know about, and it relates specifically to Black Lives Matter, and why a lot of people may have...
	Well, you delivered misinformation in how cases and rulings and charges can be politically motivated.
	Why don't you...
	I'm probably butchering it.
	No, no, no.
	In fact, you've set it up exactly right with the context here, because the trial of former police officer In Oklahoma City, Daniel Holtzclaw occurred exactly in the immediate aftermath of the Ferguson riots.
	And that was a huge cloud that hung over the jury, the prosecutors, the police chief who threw Daniel under the bus and fired him months before he even had his day in the court of law.
	We've seen this narrative so many times.
	Stephen, of the social justice mob, the witch hunts that occur before the truth is actually known.
	And so when I saw this verdict announced a year ago this weekend, actually, December 10th, I just, you know, even I just assumed that Daniel must be guilty because of the sheer number of accusations, charges, and accusers that were involved.
	Was it 13 accusations of rape?
	Something like that?
	It was 13 accusers and a total of 36 charges.
	The jury ended up convicting on exactly half of them.
	And as one of the police detectives who was in the lead of what I consider manufacturing the case admitted to me on camera, and it's in the show, the jury just, quote-unquote, split the baby on the verdicts.
	This is not how justice is supposed to occur in America, and there's so much more to it.
	Stephen, I find it to be so alarming, and you've known me for so long.
	You know the kinds of stories that I've told.
	This is the most important story of my career that I've ever covered.
	It is the most massive, monstrous miscarriage of justice, and I feel so inspired to continue telling the story, and I feel so blessed that CRTV is giving me a platform to do it.
	It's amazing.
	Let me ask you this.
	So, because you said 36 counts.
	So I'm like, Bill Cosby at a certain moment, well, you know what, this lady could be trying to, once it was like, you know, I don't know, 189, you're like, ah, okay, even if a quarter of them.
	But in this case, are you presupposing that you don't think this guy did any of it?
	Or you think he did a portion of it?
	Just so people kind of, you know, because they hear, okay, Black Lives Matter, a guy convicted of these horrible crimes.
	What's the real cover up?
	What do you think he did, if anything?
	Well, my personal opinion is that he's completely innocent of everything that he was accused of, but I don't want people to just take my word for it, and I think that's the new paradigm here and the difference between so much of what the mainstream media does.
	I want people to look more into the case, and so does Daniel, just to merely open their minds up, and we've given them a platter of original source documents And what's amazing about these two shows is the amount of the discovery material, the actual video and audio of some of these accusers, and how outrageously outlandish their stories were.
	In one case, and this is just one case, Stephen, there was one woman who had denied seven times, and we have it on tape, denied seven times that anything Whatever inappropriate had happened between her and any police officer, and then when the sex crime detectives tell her, oh, by the way, we're looking for victims of sexual assault involving a police officer that you might have encountered, all of a sudden she He remembers it.
	Twelve of these accusers only came forward after the original woman had accused him, and it was that huge circus and publicity and aftermath that caused so many of these women, and even one man who was so ridiculous that even the police department had to exclude him from trial, and this is how the snowball happened.
	Yeah, he saw some publicity.
	He said, I can get in on this.
	They said, no, you can't.
	But that's illegal.
	So why would a judge go along with this?
	I mean, people obviously, they go with the making of a murderer, right?
	And so that's easy because it's kind of, I talked about how I was pushing this narrative and the people who were involved with the film leaned left.
	In this case, people right away are going to want to side with the Black Lives Matter antenna go up.
	What you're describing is highly illegal, if not at least unethical.
	How do people go along with that, on that kind of a magnitude?
	Well, we've seen what the snowball effect is.
	As we said, we talked about this cloud that was hanging over the case.
	There were Black Lives Matter activists and Black Panther Party activists in their full paramilitary regalia.
	During the trial, chanting inside and outside the courtroom, they were giving racial threats to Daniel's lawyer, his family.
	There were phones that had to be confiscated during the trial because there were activists who were taking pictures of the jury.
	How did it happen?
	Moral cowardice.
	Yeah.
	And fear and intimidation and bullying, which you have covered so well on all of these so-called safe spaces in the campus environment.
	What?
	I think you're taking it to something that people experience, right?
	And it's one thing to make it sort of fun on YouTube.
	We were talking about this earlier in the program.
	Being banned from college campus now has become like, you know, sort of this cottage industry.
	I think someone wrote that this week.
	I don't want to claim it as my own, but that's why I just stopped doing colleges because I always wanted to tell people.
	I always did stand-up.
	I was like, ah, listen, if this is going to happen...
	When I had Black Lives Matter fact-check my jokes, I think it was like Cal Poly, and then I saw on the paper, like, Stephen gave hate speech and said, you know what?
	Okay, this is totally false.
	I have no control over it.
	It's not worth my time.
	But it was published and people believed it.
	That's just me telling a few naughty jokes.
	But then you expand it to crimes.
	I can certainly see how in a politically charged environment, especially where they're going, we've got to give this mob something, You know, this can happen, but I know most Americans don't want to believe it.
	No, they don't.
	The bottom line in this case is that there wasn't a single corroborating witness to these alleged 36 assaults.
	There wasn't a single direct piece of poetic evidence tying Daniel to any of these crime scenes of which there were allegedly dozens.
	And so I know it sounds so unbelievable.
	It is.
	It is so incredible to think that this could happen.
	But we already know in the context of a lot of these social justice witch hunts going back decades, that of course it's possible.
	And what's entirely chilling, of course, Stephen, is that if this could be done to a police officer, it could be done to anyone.
	Yes.
	It can even be done to a short Filipino-American woman.
	Sure.
	Or a guy with a show on YouTube that's mildly popular.
	And they've done it.
	I mean, it really is unreal.
	And that's what we've talked about.
	There's one side that always wants to stifle dissent.
	There's one side that always wants their way.
	There's one side that wants no voices.
	And you see that with Black Lives Matter.
	What was it this week?
	It was...
	Gosh, you saw it, Joe.
	It was Tommy Loren, the guy who can't stand her over there at the Breakfast Club, I think.
	What's his name?
	Charlemagne?
	Charlemagne?
	That's right.
	I don't know.
	One of those stupid, ridiculous names these people give themselves.
	And he was just like, oh, you know what?
	I completely disagree with her, but I'm going to be friends with her and try and change her mind.
	It's just article after article where you cannot discuss with white supremacists.
	And when you're starting from that baseline...
	Well, then anything's allowable.
	And so you wonder how many judges, how many prosecutors, how many people in a jury are just starting with that baseline of misinformation.
	And then you connect the dots and say, well, I guess I can see how this happens.
	Right.
	And, you know, it's bizarre to try to fit this case into their normal black line.
	I matter black and white frame, but Daniel is half Japanese and he grew up in a multiracial family and yet they cast him as some sort of KKK white supremacist Robert Byrd type predator out there on the streets.
	It absolutely made no sense.
	The police detectives got it in their mind.
	Serial rapist, predator, racist, when they had absolutely no professional or assessment to go on, they went back to his high school days to try to find anybody.
	They scoured his entire life to find anybody who could vouch for their opinion that he was misogynist and that he was violent.
	They couldn't find a single person.
	How is that even possible?
	You could go back, like, this week for me, and I would be completely ineligible for state senator.
	It wouldn't even be...
	You could take this interview.
	Did you not make a sexual harassment joke about the...
	Well, yeah, I guess you got me.
	And this guy didn't have anyone?
	No.
	And, you know, what's important here, of course, and this is in the context of so many of your viewers who might...
	Be it to law enforcement officers, family members, or LEOs themselves, is that you know that people lie all the time.
	And in fact, I got the sex crime detective, who was one of the two who led this case, to admit to me that, yes, all the time people lie for vision, to get their charges dropped.
	And these kind of trades go on all the time between DAs and people in some of the inner cities.
	Northeast Oklahoma City was a neighborhood that Daniel patrolled on.
	And yes, he had been subject to a number of excessive force complaints, but he was exonerated and cleared in every single one.
	And at the same time, of course, you had many of these women who were proven liars with criminal records who were making these outlandish allegations against him.
	Well, hold that thought.
	We will have you on for one more segment to talk about this.
	And we'll make some outlandish allegations against not gay.
	Jared, hint, they're true.
	Liderworth Kreider, CRTV, Michelle Malkin Investigates.
	Stay tuned.
	Stay tuned.
	Okay, Robert, reading for the role of Ken.
	We appreciate it.
	And we will do the restaurant scene that you see in the sides.
	Great.
	Glad to be here.
	Okay, the scene is you are waiting at the restaurant.
	Ken, you've had a long day driving in your convertible.
	You're waiting for Barbie to show up.
	And action.
	Okay, great.
	Reaction, reaction, reaction.
	And the reveal of Amy.
	No.
	Hey, Ken.
	Sorry I'm late.
	Ken, note your line is, I've been waiting for this all day.
	Right, yeah.
	I've been waiting for this all day.
	I would have been here earlier if the driver didn't try and fill me up in a cab.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, Ken, your line here is, you look lovely tonight.
	Uh-huh.
	You know, Ms.
	Schumer, I don't think this is going to work.
	Why not?
	You know, I just don't think we have the chemistry.
	Oh, what?
	Is it because I'm plus size?
	Yeah, is it because she's plus size?
	No, no, no, no, no, no.
	I just, you know, I... Because I also have a lot of other good qualities.
	Well, yeah, I'm sure you do.
	Like, I'm really funny.
	Well, yeah, I know you're a very successful comedian.
	Want to hear a joke?
	Uh, sure.
	Okay.
	Knock, knock.
	Who's their vagina?
	Stay tuned for more Recovered Audition Tapes from Barbie, starring Amy Schumer.
	She can make babies.
	Alright, glad to be back.
	No more dancing, not KJ. That's scary in the studio.
	The underbed for parents just don't understand.
	Well, that is Fresh Prince, and that's Pogo.
	He's Australian, and he remixes shows and movies.
	Not auto-tune, but this guy, he'll hear beats.
	Well, actually, people in your family who are musically inclined will probably find it fascinating.
	And he'll like take a clip from Star Trek and all of a sudden you have a song that'll get like 5 million plays because he turns it into a rhythm.
	And he can't get a work visa back to the States.
	He's very open about it because he's like – well, he's like – and he's totally against the illegal immigration.
	He was a big fan of Donald Trump.
	He's like, what am I going to do?
	I made a significant amount of money working in the States with the wrong work visa.
	I didn't have no work visa.
	It was the wrong one.
	That was the best of us.
	He's like, I'm just going to wait this out.
	I'm not going to break the law.
	I'm like, oh, and so he allows us to use his music.
	Different.
	So we were talking about some outlandish claims.
	You know, this week we're kind of talking about this, and I know we're going to get some flack, but you have this guy who walked in looking for the tunnels at the pizza parlor, for the underage sex scandal rang in Pizzagate, and things do get blown out of proportion.
	There is fake news out there both on the left and on the right.
	And kind of like when people do hidden camera videos on YouTube.
	We've never faked anything, but a lot of people do, and so we can't compete with the fake story, right?
	It's like, well, this is pretty compelling, but then someone scripts it.
	Do you find, having been an investigative journalist really, I mean, decades at this point, that it shortchanges what you do and it's hard to cut through the fog?
	Because this is obviously an unbelievable case that people should know about, but when they believe that John Podesta has kids chained up in his basement in a Vietnamese sex hammock, it doesn't ring very true.
	Yeah, well, I think my experience has been that most people have good filters and radar for the BS and the fake news, but I'm also sort of humble enough after 25 years Not to just sort of jump to one conclusion or the other.
	I haven't looked into that story.
	I mean, and especially having spent several months investigating just this one case with Daniel Holtzclaw, knowing the amount of time it actually does take for you to feel that you are in command of all the material, I just don't know.
	I can't one conclusion one way or the other because I haven't had the time.
	Well, I don't even, maybe not even that story, but I mean, we see it all the time on the, you know, on the left.
	Yeah.
	It could be, you know, it could be, I don't know, Donald Trump raves nine-year-old boy or, you know, you've seen stories like that.
	And then on the right, Hillary Clinton is secretly a lizard person demon and it gets like five million.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I buy that.
	True, actually.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, take your pick.
	But I'm saying we see so much of this now.
	And you were at the forefront.
	And, you know, my friend Andrew Breitbart, when he was alive, at, hey, it's great that the media gatekeepers are gone.
	I still agree with that.
	And I love to see them in their death throes right now.
	But there is a new problem of when anybody can have a platform, a lot of people just say, well, we can make more money or traffic this way.
	And they just lie.
	And it's right alongside real news.
	And I do think that's a problem.
	I don't know how to fix it.
	Yeah, it is a problem, but to fix it, I think it's the same solution that I've always adhered to, which is that the solution is more speech and better speech and not less.
	I would not be very happy in an environment where there were some arbiters of Of real news.
	This is why the conservative blogosphere was able to break through and be as successful as it was in the early 2000s.
	Because you don't need some sort of Sorbonne-like certificate to verify what's real.
	And so, you know, when you have the likes of these, you know, poobahs, grand poobahs of journalism, you know, who are in charge of the mainstream institutions that were the biggest disseminators of fake news, CBS or Rolling Stone, you know, or Dateline or 60 Minutes, I don't trust them any more than I trust the people who are spreading Hillary as a lizard stories.
	Well, I might trust the people saying that a little bit more.
	Yeah, there was a time in this country where Walter Cronkite was considered, my god, an actual journalist.
	And that's one of the things that I find funny.
	We're like, oh, I miss real journalism.
	No, no, hold on a second.
	You just didn't know how biased it was back then.
	There was never an era of, well, maybe there was to some degree, but people inherently have biases.
	That's just the nature of human beings.
	And we tried to deny it for a long time.
	Now you can just see it on social media.
	Like I said, why I would be disqualified from any cabinet job?
	My social media trail.
	It would just be too easy.
	It would be too easy.
	Well, this is why it's so cool that we're doing what we're doing at CRDTV.com.
	I mean, we're going to all have production values that rival or surpass anything That's out there in the mainstream media.
	And, I mean, you've been at the vanguard of this, of people who are just sick and tired of any of these sort of mainstream outlets, frankly, whether it's CNN or Fox News or ABC. Yeah.
	Well, and I, yeah, it's been a problem across, across the board.
	A big thing for me when I finally heard, I was on Joe Rogan's show and I heard his numbers like this, was it last month?
	60 million downloads.
	That was ridiculous.
	And then like another 12 million YouTube, and I was going like, oh my, like that's bigger than all of them combined.
	And it's a much more active listener base.
	You know what I mean?
	Yes.
	That's one thing, like people, remember now everyone always said, well, there's no...
	People go out to buy Fox News t-shirts.
	Yeah, exactly.
	No one's buying Fox News mugs or t-shirts.
	And what's funny is, is it's, it's, There used to be this time, remember, when we were starting, I guess, more so on, I started later than you, where they said, there's no money online in advertising.
	And I just always said, well, hold on a second.
	I can trace exactly who's coming in from where and what they're doing, and that's way more valuable.
	You just pay this amount for advertising because that's what you paid on TV. But you really don't know who's sitting there in front of the TV, and now that's changing, where certainly companies run by anyone under the age of 50, they don't want to put a lot of their advertising into radio or traditional TV. They do it all online where they have the analytics.
	Yeah, that's absolutely right.
	My hope is that what we're able to do at CRTV.com has more power, more longevity.
	I think the synergy between and among all of the personalities who are being featured is very, very unique.
	Rather than just having one platform that is full personality-based, that it's having this village of us offering a wide variety of formats.
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	And to me, it's almost coming full circle.
	Because remember, I started Hot Air initially as an internet broadcast.
	Right, right.
	Yeah, that's what it was.
	We were just too early.
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	We're going to have Gavin coming up after the break.
	Speaking of scary thoughts, you know, I have to close this because I'm about to lose my charge.
	I need to do a MacBook, Jared.
	A MacBook?
	Or any computer.
	That was on your list of things to do.
	He also didn't do that.
	This guy over here.
	This putz.
	What was I saying before that?
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	I forgot.
	Guest.
	Guests.
	I'm trying to think.
	So we have him.
	He was just appointed here.
	We're dialing up now.
	We're dialing up now.
	We have Dr.
	Ben Carson.
	He's inside.
	He's all over the news this week.
	Dr.
	Ben Carson just appointed to, I just forgot, Housing and Urban Development.
	It's been a long day.
	I did not have a stroke, I promise you.
	My tongue is swollen from something.
	I think I'm allergic to soy.
	Damn it!
	Those Luna bars.
	Those Luna bars.
	We do have him on.
	We're always glad to have...
	Do we have Dr.
	Ben Carson?
	Let me check in here.
	Cartoon Dr.
	Ben Carson, are you there?
	Yes.
	Yes, I'm here.
	Glad to be here, Stephen.
	No, thank you for taking the time.
	We know you're busy.
	So, a big week for you, obviously.
	You were appointed head of housing and urban development.
	So, how are you feeling about that?
	Well, I feel the same way I do every day, Stephen.
	Grateful.
	For the air that I breathe and to experience our Lord's most wonderful creation that is life.
	But the job, what about the job?
	That's fun too.
	Okay, now I personally think that you'll be great in this role, but you're not without critics.
	Many of them, of course I'm sure you know, they're claiming your lack of experience.
	Namely that several weeks ago you said you would deny any cabinet appointments to you due to your lack of experience.
	Well, I've changed my position.
	Okay, so what's changed it?
	The intoxicating adventure that is life.
	And Donald Trump threatening to release my photos to iCloud.
	I see.
	So what major changes do you expect to make?
	What would you like to see happen as you make your impact on this Department of Housing and Urban Development?
	Well, Stephen, I would love to see more affordable housing for all Americans through the implementation of private programs and less dependence on government subsidies.
	And for every American in their house, A box turtle.
	A box turtle.
	Because every American, when they come home from work, deserves to be greeted by a friend.
	All right, then.
	There's a rumor going around, I think you've addressed it, that you're suited for this job because you grew up in public housing.
	I think I know the answer, but is there any truth to that?
	No, that's not true.
	That's a common misconception.
	I just grew up in Detroit.
	Oh, yeah.
	And I did try and stab my mom once.
	Right.
	I can see how that might be confusing.
	But my attack was divinely thwarted by her belt buckle.
	Well, Dr.
	Ben Carson, what is it that you most hope to change?
	If you have to nail it down to a single issue, what do you want to accomplish with this position?
	Well, Stephen, my goals remain the same.
	I believe that there is too much anger in America and too much divisiveness.
	And I would like to unify our country once more to help people understand that life is full of sweet surprises every day.
	The sun comes up and I can feel it lift my spirit.
	Okay.
	Dr.
	Ben Carson, thank you for the time.
	Fills me up with song.
	I look into the eyes of love and know that I'd be loved.
	We have to go, Dr.
	Carson.
	Wait, wait, Stephen, wait.
	Yeah?
	Bless us all who gather near.
	With noisy games.
	And Cartoon Dodger Ben Carson, everybody.
	He's a great guy.
	Sometimes it's just hard to...
	He's inspirational.
	He inspires me.
	It's hard to slam dunk someone like that.
	Especially to get...
	We do have Gavin McInnes.
	We'll be coming up at McInnes.
	Coming up after the break.
	Because he has a thing about that, Gavin.
	Little known fact about Gavin McInnes.
	He's a sensitive soul.
	He is.
	He's a sensitive soul wrapped in the...
	He has a sensitive interior wrapped in the exterior of a thoughtless prick.
	So Gavin is...
	I love that about him.
	I was going to say Dirty Razorblades, but...
	Dirty Razorblades, yeah.
	Okay, so speaking of which, the alt-right is kind of something people were talking about, or this idea now of identity politics.
	You know, I was sitting there and I was...
	People have asked, am I alt-right?
	Listen, here's the thing.
	With the alt-right terminology, most people and probably a lot of people who are fans of the show consider themselves alt-right, but they wouldn't really have ties to the roots of people who consider themselves white supremacists, alt-right.
	I'm not saying any alt-right.
	Probably a minority are white supremacists.
	So some people have said, well, why don't you address some of these issues?
	Or why don't you try and at least understand where they're coming from?
	Let me say something to begin with.
	Of course, I think that actual racism, hating someone based on the color of their skin is abhorrent.
	But again, we've talked about this.
	Unlike Black Lives Matter, who said that you can't even be friends with Tommy Loren.
	Remember that happened this week?
	You can't even be friends with them because they're white supremacists, so don't even have a discussion.
	I understand that I can have blind spots.
	And so I do try and get into the frame of mind of some people who send me tweets sometimes with whom I disagree.
	Here's something I will say.
	With the Obama administration, where we are, With this identity politics that have been forced upon people and thrust upon people, you are seeing a reaction that I think is much more severe than it would have been otherwise.
	You can only call people racists.
	You can only call people white supremacists.
	You can only call people bigots until they finally go, you know what?
	It doesn't matter what I do.
	I mean, you called Ben Carson a racist.
	So sure, I'm a racist.
	And they claim it.
	And now you have people proudly, more people probably than in a long time, because you created this monster.
	You're the one who created this problem.
	through deliberately using racial divisiveness in order to try and gain votes in the United States Now, let me give you an analogy.
	If I'm in a neighborhood, okay, and someone moves in right next, put it this way, I would much rather, much rather have a black American move in next to me who shares even half of my values than a Bernie bro socialist hipster move in next to me.
	It wouldn't even be close.
	If I could pick out of a list, well, of course, let me take a black guy with kids and a wife than this kid because he's going to be coming over asking for sugar and he's not going to give it back.
	Now, that being said, if I lived in a neighborhood, and this is something that actually happens, where all of a sudden the demographics entirely changed, where everybody who moved in was black because the government said, you have to have these demographics in your neighborhood.
	If that happened, and that has happened with some people, I can see how someone would say, well, hold on a second, hold on a second.
	That's a problem.
	And I have a problem.
	Why are we doing this?
	Why are you giving spots to people who don't deserve them in college?
	Why are we getting people, whether it's black, whether it's female, whether it's trans, pick the oppressed class du jour.
	So let's expand this beyond racism.
	Let's expand it to xenophobia, the term they love to use.
	Do you know what xenophobia actually is?
	It's the fear of everything.
	That's what xenophobia is.
	That's really what it is.
	It's all encapsulating.
	No one has a problem With the first scenario, take your pick.
	If someone said, hey, your neighborhood has to accept, as they did in Germany, this amount of refugees.
	Well, hold on, hold on a second, hold on a second.
	You're forcing us to take these refugees in our neighborhood?
	You're booting other people from their houses?
	Whenever the government steps in and forces some kind of diversity, or forces some sort of political agenda, and they drape it in race, or they drape it in gender, whatever is required that day to gain the most amount of votes, as we saw with Barack Obama when he ran, it was entirely about race.
	With Hillary Clinton, when she ran, it was entirely about vaginas.
	Bitch became the new N-word.
	We said that would happen, and it did.
	But when you force it, you also force a rejection.
	I mean it's just like a kid who rebels against his parents even if he has the greatest parents in the world.
	That being said, the government is like the parents who lock their kids in a closet and beat the hell out of them just because they feel like it.
	So I'm not saying that the federal government would be comparable to good parents.
	But I can understand a lot of young people right now, and I do see younger people.
	Being more divided, certainly we've talked about this, than my generation, than my parents' generation, because they've been force-fed so many falsehoods.
	And these falsehoods have also been falsely attributed to race, to gender, to religion.
	Take your pick.
	Thanks to social media, it all goes unchallenged.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And so you have a bunch of people who go, you know what?
	I reject all of it.
	Because they feel as though they've been forced into a corner.
	You can't have the systemic vilification.
	This is why people...
	Let's be real about this here.
	White cis males.
	You can't have the systemic vilification of white straight males telling them to check their privilege, telling them that they haven't earned what they have, telling them that they don't know what diversity is, telling them that they don't know what adversity is, telling them that they don't know what challenge is, and then saying, give the right of way to this guy.
	Or this girl.
	Or this depends what they choose to be today because they're pansexual, genderqueer, fluid, whatever the hell the term is today.
	LGBTQAIP and Asylum F. Sorry if I got the acronym wrong.
	You cannot do that with white males specifically.
	I'm not saying, listen, that straight white males probably don't have a lot of advantages.
	I'm sure there are many advantages that I've enjoyed.
	I'm sure there are many advantages that I've enjoyed just as a man that women don't and that women enjoy as a man.
	It doesn't.
	It doesn't mean they don't have blind spots.
	My wife has blind spots.
	She's a tall, pretty woman.
	For the longest time, she thought Starbucks was a place where you get free coffee.
	She was unaware that one had to pay for coffee at Starbucks.
	As attractive tall blondes are.
	No, no.
	You have to pay.
	It's just like you pay for some, but you buy one, you get three free.
	No, that's not how it works.
	That's not how it works at all.
	That's not how Starbucks works at all, sweetheart.
	It works for me sometimes, but I would guess it's for reasons.
	It depends if the cashier speaks for the lisp.
	So I try and get in that mindset, and I do see how a lot of young people, particularly young college students, feel frustrated.
	And it happens with young black people.
	It happens with young black people.
	But particularly, like we're talking about, you're a white, cis, straight male!
	You can only yell that and scream that for so long and demand that people be ashamed of who they are, something they have no control over.
	We demand that people are proud of things they have no control over regarding race, gender, sexual orientation, but demand that some people be ashamed until those people who you've tried to force-feed shame say, nope, not gonna do it.
	And culturally, I see that reaction.
	It could be scary.
	Gavin, next.
	That's right, I forgot.
	Oh.
	What are you here for?
	I'm just in the studio.
	Went and do some mug club promos.
	Oh yeah, the mug club promo.
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	because my rocking out is learning.
	Thank you.
	Hence the typing.
	We have Gavin McInneson here.
	Gavin, what's the best plug for you, brother?
	Compoundmedia.com.
	Compoundmedia.com.
	That's where his daily show is, but he's everywhere.
	He's on the Facebooks, he's on the Twitter, he's got the podcast, of course, compoundmedia.com.
	Gavin, thanks for being with us.
	You look like you are taping a horror film.
	From where are you broadcasting this?
	I got a little drunk and I... I tried to rob a bank.
	I don't realize I don't keep money in banks anymore.
	Right.
	So I'm actually on my way to hideout in the Bronx.
	I got a friend of mine with a van.
	He's driving me.
	I don't think the cops know where I am.
	But I'm really scared.
	I'm scared.
	I can imagine.
	The Bronx is nothing if not one big hideout.
	It's pretty much one big giant burned out building.
	So I think you'll find plenty of places.
	Yeah, I'm just worried about food.
	I've become accustomed to my little accoutrements.
	You know what I mean?
	Yes, exactly.
	Yeah, the Bronx can be rough for that.
	Not quite the most cultured area of New York.
	So, Gavin, you were talking about this before, and I thought this was interesting.
	You play a game now, and it is very thoughtful.
	It sounds silly on its surface, addressing leftists' worst fears.
	Tell us about this game, because it's very compelling.
	Yeah.
	Well, the most hyperbolic example is You Have Sex with Dolphins.
	Well, hold on a second.
	What's the name of the game?
	Play it through.
	Okay, before we go, You Have Sex with Dolphins.
	That's not quite the lead.
	Play it through, and this is a game where you play through the worst-case scenario, leftist fears, to see where we go, right?
	Am I getting this right?
	Yes.
	So if someone accused you of that, your first instinct is, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, I don't.
	I never have.
	Right.
	And then, but instead of doing that now, I go, wait a minute.
	Who has sex with dolphins?
	There's probably someone.
	How would you do that?
	How do you get to them?
	You do it in a tank.
	Don't the people in the dolphin tank, aren't they a little angry about this?
	And you do that with everything.
	Like a friend of mine, Lady Alchemy, she's a It's a performance artist here in New York and she does this sort of nude dancing.
	And they found out she was a Trump supporter.
	And they said, people here don't feel safe and we don't want you doing this job anymore.
	And I say, okay, first of all, you're accusing her of being a Nazi.
	She's obviously not.
	But let's just play it through.
	Let's say she was.
	Why can't someone have a horrible ideology like that and take their clothes off?
	Are swastikas going to shoot out of her nipples?
	Is she going to have like a blow dart she sneaks under her armpit and go and shoot it into minorities necks?
	Even in your worst case scenario, where's the harm?
	Well, with a woman it's slight, but I guess putting a known, like a Nazi, if it's a male, in a position where he would be interacting with clients, I could see that being a problem.
	Yes.
	Well, those cases you come up with, they take so much hypothetical work.
	Like, okay, if you're a Nazi and you're a teacher and you're working in school and you're discussing, like, the Holocaust, I could see you being biased and, you know, saying it didn't happen or whatever.
	That's a crazy scenario we just came up with to make them look rational, right?
	Yes, exactly.
	Far more rational than sex with dolphins, which is more likely.
	But I don't know if you know this, though.
	That's not that far off.
	Have you heard of people who do water births with dolphins?
	Oh, no.
	I'm familiar with water births.
	I didn't know if someone threw a giant fish in the mix.
	For a while, they're like, well, if you look at the way dolphins give birth, it's supposed to be...
	And they tried to start...
	I think Penn and Teller did an episode of this.
	They would go out and they tried to have births with dolphins.
	I'm like, hold on a second.
	Dolphins are horrible animals.
	They commit infanticide.
	They bully for fun.
	They hunt for sport.
	They gang rape other dolphins.
	It's an episode of Lockup with Flipper and people are out there trying to give birth.
	This is a real thing.
	So even the most far-fetched scenario you could take, Gavin, was not that far off from a leftist reality.
	True, true.
	And I guess that could be harmful to the baby.
	But my point is, with the teacher, the Nazi teacher we came up with, right?
	She doesn't exist.
	That doesn't happen.
	And that's a teacher.
	That's a very unique job.
	We have people being fired from selling pistachios.
	Seriously, pistachio girl in the...
	I know, but it's just the way you reduce it.
	She was fired from selling pistachios for voting Republican.
	And it's 99% true.
	Yeah, I mean, her ideology is pretty darn hateful.
	But that's none of my beeswax.
	That's her thoughts.
	And she's selling pistachios, not teaching children anything.
	Similarly, MDE presents World Peace on Adult Swim.
	That just got cancelled.
	Because of rumors that it was bigoted or whatever.
	No one cites an actual sketch, but play it through.
	So you're saying that there is a racist sketch show?
	There's a demand for that?
	People laugh and clap when you make...
	No!
	There's no demand for that.
	People don't want that on TV. Parents don't want to know that someone would scroll past and see a racist comedy sketch show.
	It's a ridiculous lie.
	It's a good point.
	And certainly if we scale it back and apply it to the actual scenarios that we hear from leftists, the what-ifs that we actually hear, what if Obamacare gets repealed?
	What if Republicans get the House?
	What if abortion were outlawed?
	What if you're like, well, hold on a second.
	That wouldn't be the apocalypse that you claim it would.
	Right, yeah.
	And we don't have to do what-ifs with them.
	Like, they said, what do we want dead cops?
	When do we want them now?
	They got dead cops.
	Right.
	They said, uh, they said, uh, Sally Cohen says, oh, Mike Brown was running away with his hands in the air.
	The next thing you know, we got riots all over the country, and Zamir Brevik is getting bludgeoned with a hammer because he's white.
	Yeah.
	Because the press lied and said that there was...
	By the way, what's the ethnicity of your cab driver there?
	Do we know?
	He put on headphones and said he didn't want to listen to this.
	All right, Gal.
	This is a nightmare for him.
	This is the stuff his nightmares are made of.
	That's America.
	Oh, my God.
	He just said bludgeoned to death with a hammer, please.
	Someone send back up.
	No, you're right.
	Well, that's kind of an irony, isn't it, from what you were talking about, where, okay, what if someone were a Nazi?
	But then leftists, you know, there aren't what-ifs with the dangerous ideologies, like we were talking about, this Islam, where people actually get killed on a daily basis.
	You don't need the what-if, but that's not important right now.
	No, there's only two ideologies in America right now that lead to violence.
	Extremist Islam and liberal hyperbole.
	Those two things, I can cite actual cases where people have been shot and killed.
	Yet, who gets fired from their jobs?
	I mean, we've got the head of the DNC strategy guys tied to the Muslim Brotherhood.
	We can list deaths for that.
	But, no, we've got to fight Nazis.
	We have to get people fired for being a Nazi.
	Meanwhile, even like the worst Klansman of the past 20 years, what has he done?
	Well, he was fourth in line for the Obama presidency.
	That's what happened with Robert Burr.
	Hey, Gavin, can you stay for one more segment?
	Sure, yeah.
	It sounds almost like a sound booth being in that cab.
	It's dampened, it's perfect, and it's getting a real train-spotting vibe.
	Gavin McInnes, compoundmedia.com.
	Stay tuned.
	Stay tuned.
	I know.
	I'm glad he came in.
	Oh, Mr.
	Nolte, thank you so much for coming in on such short notice.
	Okay, Mr.
	Nolte, I don't need to tell you how to do this, obviously.
	It's not your first rodeo.
	You have the sides, so whenever you're ready.
	Captain, I am.
	We're lost.
	We're lost, Captain Ahab, you son of a .
	We're lost, Ahab.
	Okay, hold on.
	Are you, um...
	Are you sure you have the right sides?
	I think it's some kind of method acting.
	Okay, I'm sorry.
	Continue.
	I'm trying here.
	Ahab, you turn this ship around.
	Captain Ahab, you turn this ship around, you son of a...
	Okay, Mr.
	Nolte, I'm sorry.
	I need to make sure you have the right sides.
	This is the Universal Project.
	Yeah.
	With Amy Schumer.
	Yeah.
	I'm waiting for Moby Dick.
	Stay tuned for more recovered audition tapes from Barbie, starring Amy Schumer.
	She can make babies.
	All right, glad to be back.
	We have him here in the cab.
	Gavin, were you giving directions to your driver just there?
	Yeah, I was just getting out early because I realized I don't want to show people where I live because I have psychotic social justice warriors trying to kill me.
	Yeah, I have that too.
	It's called the ISIS kill list.
	So, compoundmedia.com is where people can find Gavin McInnes.
	All right, let's let him pay his driver here.
	Oh, I don't pay.
	Oh, you don't pay?
	Well, that's because you're a Nazi.
	Just use the white privilege card.
	It's really handy.
	Look at this.
	Look at this lighting here.
	This is actually surprisingly functional, this interview.
	Well, this is why the mainstream media died, because the technology got so good that we didn't need your fancy setups anymore.
	Your fancy setup.
	No, but you know what?
	When I used to be at Fox, they would like, no, listen, you can't do it by Skype.
	And I was like, listen, I can set up with a super high-speed line or wherever it was for a long time, even when I used to do hits at CNN. And they always had these satellite uplinks, which cost thousands of dollars, you know, to do.
	And you know what's crazy?
	I don't know if you know this, but when you do these satellite uplinks, the monitor is always below the television, right?
	And it has like a few second delay, so you always just say just shut it off.
	Well now, right now, I'm looking at you in this camera in real time, no delay.
	And it's amazing.
	Like they don't even have this at the cable networks because they have to use the older technology.
	So there's no way they can compete.
	And when you do those interviews and there is that delay, it sounds so awkward.
	And it ruins the whole interview because the other person looks like they're flummoxed because they have that two-second delay.
	No, it really is a revolutionary time for news.
	And I was just talking to Cernovich about this.
	I didn't realize that there was all these Bernie people at Hillary rallies until he pulled out his phone and periscoped it.
	There were Bernie people in Hillary rallies?
	Yes, protesting it.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That makes sense.
	They were very anti-Hillary, and they still were, you know, for a long time going into it.
	Yeah.
	And how do we find that out?
	We didn't get that from the news because they literally built a wall around her rallies to keep out journalists.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's definitely been a weird time.
	We were just talking about this with Michelle Malkin.
	You know, there is this kind of...
	Listen, you're, I guess you would say, a provocateur, right?
	You're no stranger to controversy, but I do know that you also care about truth and accuracy.
	And so I do know that you probably are concerned.
	There is a problem that comes with it where some people have just opted to, both on the right and the left, lie because they know it gets more clicks.
	They're like, let's just make up a story, and it gets picked up.
	And that is the consequence of everyone having a voice.
	I think it's better than having the Walter Cronkite and the Brian Williams be gatekeepers, but it comes with its own problems as well.
	Well, Bloomberg.com said that.
	They said they hoped the free market would handle this, but maybe the state is going to have to.
	Look, when people lie, it gets weeded out really quickly.
	You go and look it up, and you realize...
	Right after the election, there was a rumor going around that Trump won the popular vote.
	I wanted that to be true, and I searched around, and I could tell by the sites saying it that it wasn't remotely true.
	Right.
	Because they look fake right away.
	And then, you know, it's a free market of ideas.
	Over time, trial and error, authority in numbers, the truth starts coming out.
	That's why Wikipedia works.
	That's why the Internet works.
	That's true.
	Sometimes it's hilarious when people go in and screw with stuff and you're like, well, that's not true.
	Gavin is not a Wiccan sorcerer.
	Go write that on my Wikipedia page right now and it'll last for an hour.
	Now, yeah, it wasn't that way early on, and that's actually giving me, I guess, sort of some optimistic hope, because Wikipedia was really rough early on, where it was about 50% inaccurate, and they've since put some systems in place to correct that.
	And I think you're probably seeing the same thing with a lot of other social media, and without banning people, like you said, hopefully a market of ideas can solve that problem.
	Well, essentially, you said about Donald Trump and the popular vote.
	What's your scorecard on Donald Trump?
	And we said about this, the reason I haven't talked about Trump right now is because I think we both would agree this is a time period where all presidents do their most pandering because it's about uniting and they have this sort of wave of momentum and this is where they say a lot of things that may or may not be true or they may or may not be able to follow through so I want to wait until he gets into office so I have to say that first but what would you give a scorecard right now based on what you're seeing?
	I'm ecstatic.
	I mean, it would be hard work to come up with some things that I could criticize.
	I was a little uneasy with the woman from the WWE getting appointed, but she's got a rich resume outside of that.
	I was a little uncomfortable with Ben Carson.
	Being the head of HUD, because I think his only experience is having lived in black areas.
	But I'll wait to pass judgment on that.
	But outside of that, it's just been so much winning that I have to keep...
	I walk like a 99-year-old man.
	I am exhausted from winning.
	And I just found out that it's looking good for Cruz as a Supreme Court judge.
	That's what Got News is saying.
	Well, you were the only one who predicted that.
	And when Trump accused his dad of shooting JFK, I thought you were off.
	I will gladly admit that I'm wrong.
	I would love to see that.
	Now, see, that is so huge, because we took a blow losing Scalia, and if Cruz is in there to save dead babies, to save...
	Well, you can't, yeah, I mean, save future dead babies.
	They're done.
	They're gone once they're dead.
	But to put a stopgap in the Supreme Court, once that happens, oh my god, I feel like I can turn off the news.
	But what about the increased $3 trillion in spending and the deficit and stuff like that?
	Because I know you were really against that with Barack Obama.
	I don't think that's necessarily going to happen.
	I think he'll correct that.
	But if he were to do that, I'd be pissed.
	So would I. And as Alex Jones said, I'd drag him out of the White House by his heels.
	But you've got to remember that Drumpf is Scottish.
	There's Scottish DNA in there.
	And we are way cheaper than anyone could ever imagine.
	I mean, I live in Williamsburg.
	I've been negotiating with Hasidic Jews my whole life.
	And they are constantly stunned at how cheap I am.
	There's so many things in that statement that can get you letters that I appreciate.
	There's a multitude.
	But no, I'm glad that you said that.
	You know, same thing.
	I was talking about this earlier in the show.
	It bothers me the pandering to the Rust Belt sort of Midwestern states without saying, also, screw the unions.
	Without saying, we want to keep jobs in America, but if companies want to escape the clutches of these unions, screw them.
	Let's, I don't know, expedite them to Texas.
	I would love to see Ford go to Texas.
	And if Ford needs to go to Mexico to get away from the UAW, I understand it.
	So that needs to be addressed, and you see that.
	My point is this.
	Donald Trump, I know, he didn't want to upset them because a lot of them voted for him.
	But now you see they're coming out and crapping on him anyway.
	They're not your friends.
	So I really do hope to see him put a cap on that because they've been tiptoeing around it.
	99% of union contributions have gone to Democrats.
	I don't know why they're even close to playing ball with them.
	Stop it.
	They'll always hate you.
	Stop it.
	Just follow Reagan's patterns, you know.
	When the air traffic controllers went on strike, he just fired them all.
	That's what we need to do.
	The second these guys start flexing their muscles.
	And by the way, the teachers unions have so much lobby power, both on the left and the right, the DNC and the GOP. They need to be shut down.
	They have turned all teachers into these Marxist robots who are ripping away at the very fabric of our country.
	They all need to just be flushed down the toilet.
	Well, I would say the same thing with the unions that have made it so hard for Carrier to make a profit.
	And so that's where I don't want to see bailouts, and I don't want to see any acquiescing to them.
	You know, you look at the American auto manufacturers.
	We were talking about this.
	Sometimes made in America, sometimes made in America means cheap union crap that's no good.
	And sometimes it means top quality.
	And we need to accept both possibilities, right?
	I mean, it's like assumed.
	If it's made in America, no.
	Sometimes if it's made in America, you're paying triple the cost because, like the guy who just took a dump on Trump, the Steelworkers Union, they're charging three times the price and half their employees aren't working.
	And there is this dogmatic thinking that because Trump changed some Midwestern states, oh, we want to be careful with these people.
	We don't want to upset the unions because they could be part of a new coalition.
	They never will be.
	Right.
	But the solution is not to let the jobs leave.
	The solution is to pound the unions and get those jobs back to reasonable prices.
	Right.
	But not to punish companies escaping them.
	No.
	And that's what I think Trump was doing with Carrier.
	He was saying, I'm going to stop punishing you guys.
	And then we were talking about this on Red Eye tonight.
	They said, what do you think about Trump saying he can just call a corporation in five minutes and get jobs back?
	And I go, good.
	I don't think you need a long conversation.
	It's, I'm going to stop strangling you and let you breathe.
	But yeah.
	But it is a problem if you're calling some businesses and not others.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	It's a tough period right now because all he can do is make calls.
	But if he lowers the corporate tax rate across the board, I'm good with it, right?
	It needs to be across the board.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	But right now, he is just calling specific businesses.
	If he were president doing that, I'd have a problem with it.
	And that's why it's a different situation because he's not in office yet.
	Right.
	So you're saying after he's president, you don't like the idea of him making calls to individual companies.
	I don't like him making...
	No, he should not be in the business of picking winners and losers.
	It should be the same across the board.
	Well, start at the ones that have the most jobs and say, if you leave, you're in trouble.
	But what if they need to leave to keep their business afloat?
	Because, by the way, also, none of these manufacturing jobs have left.
	Very, very little.
	I mean, if he took back every single manufacturing job that was not given away due to automation, it wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.
	Right.
	Well, true, but the other problem we have here is we're bringing in the third world into our own country.
	So whether we send the factory to Mexico or we bring Mexicans to work in this factory, it's still outsourcing.
	So if you close the borders, there's going to be this bigger push to send the company...
	To the illegals that you just sent over the border, and he's saying, no, we're not going to have that.
	Well, he's saying that with some companies, but again, it doesn't work if you don't address the problems where the United States can't compete, right?
	You can't compete if you have to work.
	A good example is, you know, and we don't want to have this, and I know you and I would both agree on this, we don't want to have Hyundai or Toyota pull out from employing more Americans than all the American auto manufacturers.
	You know, these companies, these countries invest in the United States more than any other country.
	So we don't want to piss them off and drive them away because our own companies will fold, right?
	A UAW worker is at least two times the cost of a Kia worker or a Toyota worker in Texas.
	Toyota's in Texas.
	GM is in Michigan.
	So let's create incentives for more companies to invest in the United States as well.
	That's what concerns me with this.
	But like I said, if he lowers the corporate tax rate, It's not a problem.
	If you create a business-friendly environment, it solves itself.
	Aren't these great problems to have, though?
	I feel like we're both in Motley Crue, and we're backstage, and there's a blonde and a brunette, and we're both deciding who's going to get what groupie.
	I mean, if we're in a situation where we're saying, which businesses should be here?
	Should we destroy the unions first, or the corporate tax first?
	I mean, this winning is getting exhausting.
	Well, as long as we're not saying, I'm going to put a 35% tariff on people outsourcing jobs if they need to.
	I have no problem with people saying, listen, we can't do it here.
	For example, if we make a mug that comes in in China when we're backordered so that Americans can paint it and etch it.
	That's a good thing, right?
	Or we say, well, you can't get that mug from China, so it's a $50 mug in the United States, and all those people are out of work.
	Hopefully people understand basic economics when they're at least looking at these issues through media.
	That's what I'm concerned about, but I have a lot of leeway because, like you said, I don't think Donald Trump's going to increase spending by three trillion, and I don't think he's going to punish companies if he doesn't lower a corporate tax rate first.
	I don't think he will.
	And you also didn't think he was going to win.
	No, no, I just said that as a positive.
	I'm saying I don't think he'll do the things that he's saying that make us, like, we may not like.
	I think he's in a period where he has to unify some people, throw them a bone, because he won, they're pissed, Jill Stein in her recounts, let's try and quell the pain as much, and then get into office.
	And so I'm waiting for him to get into office and hopefully kick ass and take names.
	He's going to kick ass, and the culture has changed here.
	The only thing that I'm surprised about is how long it's taking the far left to realize that they lost.
	They really are acting much more petulant and spoiled and vengeful.
	They're supercharging it.
	They really are, as Sam Hyde said to me the other day, he goes, they're really doubling down now.
	I expected them to take some time off, but they're acting out.
	They're having a temper.
	You know why?
	Because they're trying to lay the groundwork for anything Trump does, so they can say, see, see, see, we told you.
	No, no, you told us in that span of one month that he was going to do racist stuff, and you just picked policy.
	They're trying to use every excuse they can preemptively right now, so right now everything is racist and sexist and homophobic.
	Gavin, great stuff.
	I love that you have the Christmas lights in back to you.
	Compoundmedia.com for people to find you.
	Thank you.
	We need to have you back soon.
	This was actually a nice little setup.
	You look studly.
	Yeah, I'll go outside for the next time.
	Very nice.
	Stay away from kids.
	50 yards at least.
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	Jared, can you shut off this monitor?
	I'm watching myself and I hate it.
	I can.
	I could put this monitor on because I wanted to see Gavin, but then he makes me see myself.
	He should be absolutely ashamed of himself.
	All right.
	We often have a takeaway here, and usually it's related to the show, but tonight it isn't.
	And this is usually, at least in part, inspired by some emails that I get.
	But no, Charles, I'm not sending you those pictures.
	This is not about that.
	You know, we've talked about this before, and I had someone talking about sort of when dealing with political issues and someone in their family and how, oh, but you know what?
	They're too late.
	They're too old to change.
	People don't change.
	And I've heard this before, and I know I've heard this worldview before.
	And I think I've talked about this on the show, but it probably is from...
	A year ago.
	So if you've heard the story, save the complaining on the Twitters and in the emails.
	I'm sorry.
	You're going to have to go through two minutes of a very similar story.
	It's not one that I believe.
	It's not one that I've experienced, that your worldview or your life experiences create a person who is fixed.
	You know, people mature in all different kinds of ways.
	I know I have.
	I mean, look at the show has.
	I know Not Gay Jared has immensely.
	It has a long way to go.
	But...
	At one point I did find myself maybe getting into that trap.
	And so this is easy to – it's an easy excuse to use, right?
	Well, people don't change.
	You can use that with politics.
	You can use that with any kind of ideology, whether it's religious, scientific, whether it's a level of education, whether it's intelligence.
	You can use that argument.
	People don't change, so don't – people don't change.
	It's this fixed idea of a human.
	I thought that at one point, and there was an experience that really changed me.
	I talked about this.
	I hope I'm not stepping out of lines.
	What is with my plurals today?
	I'm hanging around my French-Canadian mom too much with that.
	The plural and the shrimps.
	Shrimps.
	Shrimps.
	She puts it where it's not needed.
	She's here Jean-Guy all day long.
	It's all here.
	Yeah, we need to get Jean-Guy back out there.
	My aunt.
	Who's no longer with us.
	My aunt, I grew up...
	And I know this is going to sound terrible because she's no longer with us.
	I always knew her when I was young.
	As a very kind of scary aunt.
	She was very...
	Mean is the only way to say it.
	Sorry, Mom.
	She was mean when I was a kid.
	Maybe she just didn't like me and my brother, but she was pretty mean.
	I was scared of her.
	She was the aunt I was scared of.
	He didn't go around.
	Well, I didn't know this when I was young.
	That this aunt, when my grandparents had her, they didn't have any money.
	They weren't really able to support her.
	And so they had to send her with, I guess you'd call it a foster family, a family to assist basically during the week only.
	It was for several weeks at a time until they were able to take her back in the house.
	And that didn't happen with their younger siblings because at that point they were able to take care of them.
	So the younger siblings grew up with the parents and she grew up with this other family who were, they were immensely abusive.
	Just horrible, horrible people.
	And it seems like you hear a lot more of that from back then.
	I don't know if it's just that, you know, it seems like you're like, what?
	They did what?
	They hit you with a clothesline?
	You know, and you're like, why would they do that?
	They hit you with bamboo sticks?
	Well, it seems really common to me to hear of older people, like my parents, talk about their parents.
	Not specifically them, but that age, that generation, where they weren't close to their parents at all, and they don't really ever know their dads that very well, just very distant, and often very abusive.
	It does seem to be, and that's what people say, the golden age.
	It's a generational thing, or what?
	Well, you know what?
	Because before that, that wasn't the case.
	It's not historically always been the case where men haven't been able to show affection or say I love you or hug each other.
	As a matter of fact, it was seen as disrespectful for a long time if you weren't able to shake a hand, pat it back, give a hug.
	So those things change, and I think that there was a blip in kind of the cycle of human emotion, which wasn't very healthy for men.
	Now, that doesn't mean that you need to be a guy who cries at everything and need to be hyperly sensitive and get in touch with it.
	You don't want to be that.
	Men used to be balanced.
	A man could be a jock, an intellectual, an artist.
	As a matter of fact, you weren't considered complete if you didn't have all of those facets, right?
	You were supposed to be all of those things.
	And then we got into this mindset of pigeonholing people and, well, he's the jock.
	He's the intellectual.
	No, all men were supposed to be all of those things or you were seen as a loser.
	So this aunt harbored a lot of ill will toward her parents.
	She was angry.
	And I don't blame her.
	I didn't know this as a kid back when I thought she was mean.
	Her and my grandmother didn't talk for like a period of over a decade.
	And I wasn't aware of it.
	And then when my grandmother died and she was on her deathbed, she righted the wrongs.
	It's a true story.
	And she brought in my aunt and apologized to her for everything.
	Everything that had happened when she was a daughter, the fact that they hadn't spoken, the problems that had occurred in their relationship, the strain.
	She apologized for everything.
	And, you know, they sat there.
	They cried.
	They wept.
	She was there, my aunt, for my grandmother for the last couple of weeks.
	And I know it sounds like a Hallmark film.
	After that, my aunt was an entirely new person.
	She was the aunt whose house you wanted to go over to.
	She was a French-Canadian Ebenezer Scrooge with a semi-mullet.
	These are French Canadians still.
	The story can't be that grandiose.
	It was like night and day.
	It's anecdotal, but you'll have two sides scientifically to this idea of neuroplasticity versus fixed IQ. You have ideas versus people's emotions are entirely shaped by their experiences, whereas some people say it's entirely nature, and some say it's a combination of nature or nurture thereof.
	But I really, and the more I look at evidence and the more I look at people's life experiences, I don't see any proof that people can't change, that you are fixed.
	And so if you find yourself in a situation that you think you can't change, and it's easy to do this.
	We've had this, right, where we even started this show, and we were getting so few people watching it when we started it because we got booted from our home station.
	Unceremoniously.
	Glory days, as I'm calling it.
	The weekend.
	And we were producing it, and it was a disaster, kind of like the sound here tonight, where we said, you know what, maybe we don't even want to put this on YouTube because no one's watching it.
	And we got in that mindset, like, because no one's watching it today, no one's going to watch it tomorrow.
	And we're incredibly blessed, and I'm not saying our numbers are Joe Rogan numbers, but hopefully someday we'll get there.
	But that changed.
	And I've watched my aunt change.
	And I've watched people in my life change.
	I've watched my wife change.
	I've changed.
	And I don't mean that my values have changed, but you can absolutely change the way you see the world, the way you interact with people, as Jordan Peterson was talking about, the why, the how you interact.
	You have entirely...
	You have control over that.
	You have entire control over that.
	And once you accept that, I'm not talking about some crazy matrix scenario.
	Once you accept that you can choose how you interact, you can change who you are for the better.
	And I know people who've done it.

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