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June 24, 2016 - Louder with Crowder
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You've found yourself at the junction where worlds meet.
Politics.
Civility.
How about honesty in this country, folks?
Entertainment.
I don't like entertainment.
And a whole bunch of other stuff.
It's about having a healthy body image.
You have a very unhealthy body.
You should have a horrible body image.
Not a big home and fruit market, New Jersey.
We are definitely going to get letters.
You're listening to Talk Radio's Strangest Animal.
You're a strange animal.
You're getting Louder with Crowder.
It's the fourth week in June, which marks Louder with Crowder's fourth installment of Cultural Appropriation Month.
Join us each week as we travel the globe, informing and illuminating you on such diverse cultures that make up the wonder that is humanity.
This week, the ancient and mysterious culture of Africa.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Glad to be with you.
Oh, that's a cheery little tune.
That sound means it's Cultural Appropriation Month.
I am your host, Stephen Crowder, the continent of Africa.
We couldn't pick any one country because, well, it's easier to sort of point out their contributions collectively as a continent.
Producing with me in video studio, as always, is NotGayJarred.
You can follow him on Twitter at NotGayJarred.
I fulfill my legal obligations to draw you on conclusions.
NotGayJarred.
What?
Yeah.
Let him see ya.
I don't...
I don't want to.
It's okay.
Come on, let him see you.
We went through all this effort with cultural appropriation month.
I really don't want to.
If you just...
Knock it, Jared.
Come on, let him...
Let him see ya.
I... I... I can't.
I'm sorry.
I can't.
You've found yourself at the junction where worlds meet.
Politics.
Civility.
How about honesty in this country, folks?
Entertainment.
I don't like entertainment.
And a whole bunch of other stuff.
It's about having a healthy body image.
If you have a very unhealthy body, you should have a horrible body image.
Not a big home improvement market injury.
We are definitely going to get letters.
You're listening to Talk Radio's Strangest Animal.
You're a strange animal.
That's what I know.
You're getting louder with Crowder.
But you're a strange animal.
It's the fourth week in June, which marks Louder with Crowder's fourth installment of Cultural Appropriation Month.
Join us each week as we travel the globe, informing and illuminating you on such diverse cultures that make up the wonder that is humanity.
This week, the ancient and mysterious culture of Africa.
Boombole, boombole, boombole!
Bye!
Glad to be with you.
Glad to be with you.
Gonna take this hat off.
That sound means it's the sound of the weekend.
And what a jovial song it is.
We had a bit of a false start for those watching online.
Not Gay Jared got a little bit uncomfortable.
I am your host, Stephen Crowder, producing with me in video studio as always.
Even the week where we are honoring the great, though simple, continent of Africa, on Lotta Ruth Crowder, Not Gay Jared.
You can follow him on Twitter at Not Gay Jared.
I fulfill my legal obligations, draw my own conclusions.
I am dressed in traditional African garb, and Not Gay Jared is honoring one of the greatest spokespeople for the NAACP that has been Rachel Dolza.
Yeah, she's a great woman, model for everyone, really.
She's a strong woman.
Strong woman.
You look a little more like the guitarist from Korn.
Well, they are looking back.
So you can tweet me, I think Rachel Dolezal was a good move.
It was a refreshing change.
And this isn't an African hat at all.
No.
But it looks great.
I don't know what this is.
It looks great.
So we have great guests tonight.
We have Andrew Klavan.
Boom.
We have Skagg.
Well, his name is Matt Skagg, but I don't know.
Yeah, Skagg.
Skagg3.
Skagg3.
Great commentator.
Up and comer on YouTube.
We have Matt George from Georgia.
An exclusive interview with a man, actually.
Muslim couple allegedly tried to abduct his child.
It was a national story for a while.
Funny story.
His last name is completely coincidental to the state of Georgia.
Coincidental?
Coincidental.
Coincidental to the fact that he lives in Georgia.
I'm not wearing a stupid hat.
How crazy is that?
Well, it's not that crazy.
There are a lot of people with the name George.
Okay, so a lot happened this week.
We're also going to rebut Talk Islam.
We are going to give you, starting a new segment, Top 5 Crappiest Myths Regarding Gun Control Right Now.
That's a big, hot topic.
And we're going, of course, going to rebut Talk Islam.
Next week, we're going to expose Talk Islam.
I have a lot of information on them from behind the scenes.
That I'm sure they don't want getting out there.
This week we are going to expose Michael Woods Jr.
because a lot of these people have either come out and attacked me or invited to bait and then not shown up.
We don't go after people just for the sake of going after people, but when they open that door, it is our job to make an example of them.
Michael Woods Jr., you done screwed up.
So later in the show, that's going to be a rough one.
Right off the bat, obviously, gun control is a hot topic this week.
We talked about it quite a bit last week.
I'm sure we'll talk about it with our guests.
But I was on Sky News this week.
Let me set this up for you really quickly.
I don't do TV a whole lot.
In fact, I don't do it at all.
My policy is I don't do any outside media unless I can do it from this studio, or unless I'm a fan.
Like Joe Rogan, I'm actually a fan.
I've followed Joe Rogan for a long time, or like Adam Carolla.
It takes too much time away from what we do here at Ladder with Crowder, so I can't go to a satellite studio or fly across the country.
So my policy is I don't do any media unless I can do it straight from this studio that we've built, which is actually nicer than most of the studios that a lot of these other people.
It's just too much time.
So, Sky News has been asking me for a while.
I said, no, not unless I can do the home studio.
They finally said, okay, we need an American who's pro-Second Amendment for today.
Can you do it?
I said, for my home studio.
They said, sure.
So I went on with this host, Not Gay Jared, let's just play a quick clip and then I can give people some context.
Do we not have audio?
It is coming right up.
I'm having difficulty trying to understand your line of argument.
Are you trying to say there's a safe gun, for instance?
Of course, yeah.
I have a gun on my hip right now.
It's never shot anybody.
Why do you need a gun in the studio?
Well, let me explain to you why I actually have a fatwa on my head because I've drawn Mohammed.
So that's my reason, and I would never assume to actually copy-paste my reason or know the motive for any person who might need their basic fundamental human right to self-preservation.
Why do you need security guards there in the studio?
I haven't got security guards here in the studio.
There's no security in that studio?
No.
I've got a floor manager, but he's not very secure.
I don't believe you, by the way.
That's false.
I verified it.
They do have security there at Sky News.
You don't just waltz on in.
People just had no idea what's around them.
He's just not observant at all.
He'd be a terrible concealed carry holder.
He would be a terrible concealed carry holder.
Here's why it's so important.
People are going, well, this is why I don't like doing a lot of media.
Let me give you a contrast.
Dave Rubin came on the show.
Dave Rubin is certainly more left of center than I am.
And he came on the show.
We have a long time to talk, right?
We have longer segments.
It's more conversational.
And Dave Rubin says, well, I think we could both agree on keeping the hands out of terrorists with the no-fly, no-buy sort of business.
And I said, no, we don't.
And he said, why?
And I explained it to him.
And he said, okay, I understand that due process.
Okay, so maybe we need to reform the list.
And we made progress and we moved on.
This guy, what was his name?
Michael something?
I didn't hear.
I didn't catch.
Michael something.
Something British.
But he started off with saying, you know, talking about these automatic weapons.
Right off the bat.
Right off the bat.
Automatic weapons.
And Naki J was in here producing, and I could see his face.
I know where this is going to go.
I know where this is going to happen here.
Here's the thing.
People are saying, why did you focus on that?
It is so important to define your terms.
And this is the biggest bait and switch that the left does.
They say automatic, just like this host, he used the term automatic.
They use the term automatic repeatedly.
Or assault rifles.
Usually both.
And then they use it to pivot and support legislation that has nothing to do with automatic weapons.
But semi-automatic weapons.
Which, as anyone who knows anything about firearms, understands that that is almost all modern handguns.
And a significant portion, if not most, rifles.
So they say automatic.
They say automatic.
They say scary assault weapons.
And then they say, well, why don't you support this legislation?
Well, hold on a second.
Because it has nothing to do with automatic weapons.
Can you unmute your mic there?
I'm hearing all the clickety-clickety.
So that's why it's so important.
I stayed on it with him.
And if you go watch the interview, it's up at louderwithcredit.com.
I kept saying, well, listen, can you retract the automatic statement?
Because you imply that we're talking about legislating automatic weapons.
And you go, oh, so you're saying there's a safe gun.
Well, what about a safe gun?
And so we went from automatic weapons, which was fake, a false term, right?
Those are already heavily regulated.
No automatic weapons were used in any of these recent mass shootings.
And AR-15 wasn't even used.
Then we go to assault weapons, assault rifles.
When I asked him to define it, he couldn't define it.
Then we go to...
Why would you ever need a gun?
And then we go to, of course you support the no-fly list.
And then we go to safety latch on my concealed carry gun.
Here's the thing, with English, they are so shocked.
His reaction, why would you ever need a gun in the studio?
I can't possibly imagine.
It's the same reason Charlie Hebdo should have had them, dumbass.
For the same reason you have security guards.
This is the thing with the left.
He doesn't think he has armed security guards because they're not right in front of him.
He is in a building.
With cameras, with a safe pass system, where you have a card that you swipe to go on in, with, of course, probably bulletproof glass, with, of course, armed guards, whether they're downstairs or not.
That's the case.
I've been to every single news agency there is, except for probably Sky News.
I've been to some sort of a BBC affiliate in the States, but Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, I've been to all of those places.
PBS, they all have some form of security.
But he thinks because he personally doesn't have a firearm that somehow the rules don't apply to him.
Well, here's the thing.
Most of us Americans don't have the money or the ability to afford a key card entry system and armed security guards and cameras everywhere and an entire fleet of security so we can say, well, I've never carried a gun.
The best thing you have is a firearm.
My case, alarm system, dog, firearm.
That's what you can do to protect yourself.
That is why there is such an, this is a perfect example of sort of the leftist classism.
They hate the middle and lower class, so they try and strip them of arms.
And something else, too, that I find unbelievable right now.
We talked about this and we tweeted about it.
And then other people were tweeting about it.
People are so on board with the no-fly list.
No due process at all.
The headline sounds good, to be fair.
The headline sounds great.
The headline sounds great.
No-fly list.
These are the same people who are absolutely outraged that non-American terrorists...
Weren't getting due process in Guantanamo Bay, right?
They couldn't fathom it.
These terrorists, who aren't American citizens, deserve the right to a fair trial on American soil.
Law-abiding American citizens, let's toss six figures of them on a no-fly list.
Well, what about due process here?
It doesn't matter if they could potentially be dangerous.
Have they ever committed a crime?
Well, it doesn't matter.
So you have the Democrats, who are staging a sit-in, This has been going on today.
A sit-in literally to strip you of your right to a fair trial and due process.
That's what they're doing.
They are throwing a fit.
These are government officials are throwing a fit because they don't have the ability to remove your fundamental right to protection at will.
That's what will happen with the no-fly list.
There have been stories of politicians using it against – you have tons.
I know – was it Ted Kennedy?
I think Lewis himself.
Fox commentators.
Fox commentators.
But I know politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, senators and congressmen.
Who've been put on the list.
And people have alluded to the idea that there have been political opposition.
They've been doing it to screw with them.
Well, can you imagine what they can do to you, a citizen, these politicians?
So on its surface, it sounds good, but this is what's so important.
They will use the word automatic weapon, assault rifle, which isn't defined, to pivot, to push legislation that has nothing to do with those things.
And would change none of it.
And of course, we'll get into the homicide stats, the gun-related violence stats, the overall violent crime rate stats, which we did in the Sky News interview.
We can get to that, too.
But here's the thing.
If people think, well, you seem like you're getting...
Why are you focusing so much on that issue?
Because this is what the left does.
They repeat automatic weapons.
They repeat AR-15.
They repeat things that have nothing to do.
They repeat...
Just buzzwords, not even facts or statistics.
They just repeat buzzwords to drill it into your head so you accept it and then argue on their terms.
I am not willing to go on a program and just accept that he says, well, automatic weapons, which is a huge error.
Monumental error.
And if you look at Twitter response, most people believe that the Orlando shooting was carried out with a machine gun.
And they believe that the AR-15 is a machine gun.
None of those things are true.
No idea.
So it's important to note that...
And we don't have to do it on this show because things are pretty civil and we have enough time.
But on television, they keep it short and they keep it to the buzzwords and they're not honest.
And I gave this guy the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the interview.
I thought he was ignorant.
But when you refuse to apologize, when you're verifiably false, then I've got to think you're a liar.
We'll be back after this.
More guns and terrorism or something.
Something bad.
Hello, sir.
Welcome to Sporting Rifle Emporium.
How can I help you?
Yes, hello.
My name is Neil Steinberg.
I'm with the Chicago Sun-Times, and this is my first firearm purchase.
I would like to purchase an AR-15 assault rifle.
Well, we've had a lot of reporters in here, sir.
The first thing I'll have to let you know is that it's not an assault rifle.
It's a sporting rifle.
Assault rifle doesn't really mean anything.
It's kind of an arbitrary term.
But, yeah, let's take you over here and show you.
These are our AR-15 variants.
Oh, that one looks scary.
I'll take that one.
Would you like to know anything about its features, price point?
No, this is a hit piece, whatever works.
Uh-huh, I figured.
Well, listen, that's fine.
Let's come on over here and fill out paperwork.
Uh-huh, now by paperwork, you mean a basic receipt?
No, we actually do have to run a background check.
We have to do that with every firearm sold, despite what you may hear in the country.
And do a bill of sale.
You may have to bring it to your local law enforcement office, depending where you live.
And then you can have the firearm.
So fill out this first, please.
Oh, okay.
And let me run that.
I'll be right back to you.
It's always sweet to try and put up a facade.
I bet you he's probably just filling up his coffee.
Okay, Mr.
Steinberg, we cannot sell you that rifle.
Surprise, you don't want a Chicago Sun-Times reporter exposing your dark practice, you shy from the light.
No, actually it's because it says here that you have a history of alcoholism and you beat your wife.
You're a wife beater.
I don't know how you would...
No, we ran a background check.
Turns out you're a domestic abuser, so that's a problem.
We legally can't sell you the firearm.
And on a personal note, I think you're a piece of shit.
No more hats.
They're not terribly creative with the melodies.
Yeah.
Not terribly creative with the melodies.
Oh, that's right!
It's Cultural Appropriation Month.
Sorry.
It is.
We have to appreciate the cultures that are available to us.
There's a lot to appreciate.
Hopper, go lay down.
I threw the hat not in anger.
It was a stage presence move.
Africa.
We didn't pick a specific country because I was going, well, maybe we should pick Zambia.
Maybe we should pick Zimbabwe.
Maybe we should pick South Africa.
The truth is that with the continent of...
There are a lot of things that we could...
We had to sort of expand it.
It's really just black.
It is.
I mean, there are a lot of great contributions from not only...
You're talking about the satellite imagery, not necessarily the...
Stop it.
I didn't know where you were going.
Stop it.
Stop it, Rachel Dolezal.
I mean, obviously you can have in music, you have soul, you have R&B, you have Motown, you have blues, you have rock and roll.
I mean, in sports, you have Jackie Robinson, you have Will Chamberlain.
I mean, you've got gun crime.
There are so many things that we can talk about with African Americans that they have contributed to a rich...
So this is kind of all encompassing of Africa and also their good friends who've immigrated here who are now African-American.
So here's some fun African stats for you.
I've got a couple.
Well, here's one.
South Africa has the highest number of people living with AIDS in the world.
That's an achievement.
75% of the world's poorest countries are in Africa.
Nothing to be proud of.
It's the world's most populous continent with the largest reserves of precious metals as well as 30% of the world's remaining mineral sources.
And it's still the poorest.
So I don't know how they...
I was trying to compute that as well.
I don't know how they do that exactly.
Also impressive.
But here's the thing.
You have to appreciate all aspects of culture.
It would be unfair to do otherwise.
Approximately 90% of all cases of malaria worldwide occur in Africa.
This seems like it's not...
I thought it was going to get better.
There are fewer people with internet access in the entire continent of Africa than New York City alone.
Okay, you know what?
These were sent to me by my staff.
These were not...
Did you forget to say fun facts?
You must have put a different agitation.
I don't know what happened there.
But we're appreciating all of our cultures here.
Africa, we did it with China.
Mexico.
We appreciate all cultures here in the United States.
Me too.
Speaking of culture, hey, something that leftists certainly don't appreciate about the United States is that our culture is that of freedom.
Our culture actually includes the right to bear arms.
That's one thing I don't understand.
Open-minded, tolerant liberals, they'll be fine with Muslims.
Part of their culture is rape and women not being afforded due process and their testimony not counting as much and being able to beat their wives and, of course, mistreatment of gays.
And this is a long and storied part of Islamic culture in the Middle Eastern countries.
And we're saying, well, these are cultural differences.
You have to appreciate them.
It doesn't make them bad.
Yet somehow people having the right to carry arms and not commit crimes, we're not open-minded enough for that in the United States.
So that ties right into this story.
We wrote about it at louderwithcreditor.com.
A reporter from the Chicago Sun-Times, his name was Neil Steinberg, tried to buy an AR-15.
So he tried to buy an AR-15 really to do a hit piece.
Because he went, and he's obviously, if you look at his history, he was anti-firearm.
So he went into a store.
He paid the money for an AR-15.
I believe he did the background check.
And he spent some time with an instructor for a while who talked to them.
The instructor knew that he was liberal and said, like, this is why I don't do news, because people don't just report news.
They do opinion like you.
So it was pretty well known that he was left.
They weren't necessarily thrilled with it, but they served him.
Well, the next day he got called and they said, we can't sell you the firearm.
This was all over because he wrote about this first.
And when he released the information, it was, see, the gun industry operates in the dark.
Well, they said, we're not going to sell you the firearm.
Neil Steinberg of Chicago Sun-Times.
And he said, oh, it's because you're afraid of people learning the truth.
They said, no, that's not it.
And he said, well, why don't you tell me why you didn't sell me the firearm?
They said, we don't have to do it.
We're a private business.
We just reserve the right to not sell you the firearm.
But he pressed and he slandered them.
And so when other people asked...
This gun shop.
They said, well, here's what really happened.
We found out he had a history of alcohol abuse as well as spousal abuse.
He roughed up his wife.
Well, there's your problem.
There's your problem right there.
So, here's something really cool.
The system worked.
And gun shop owners, gun dealers, are so responsible they wouldn't sell to this guy.
And he's still trying to go with the narrative that it's because they're afraid of people learning the truth.
No, the truth is that you're a wife-beating ass.
You're a piece of human crap.
There are very few rungs lower on the human ladder than wife-beater.
Although someone who looks as feeble as you, wife, is pretty bad.
It's just to add insult to injury.
So this happened.
It's important because if the gun store owners didn't speak out, people would have just heard the story like, oh, they're getting really scared and you're locking it down.
If they know you're a liberal, they won't sell it to you because they want to operate in the dark and sell guns illegally.
I was actually at a gun store one time.
With my father, out of state.
And I was looking, there was actually, there was a firearm that I wanted to buy.
And it was on sale.
They had a specific sale because they had an overstock.
And I said, wow.
I said, you know, I really want to, I'd love to buy that.
He said, well, if you're not from in state, I can't sell it to you.
Well, my dad was.
And my dad said, well, you know what?
I might get one.
He said, ah, the fact that he told me he's not in state and he wanted to buy one, he's like, I can't sell to you either because there's a chance that you could buy it and give it to him.
So he's like, so I can't, I'm not going to sell any of you any firearms today.
If I was going to, I would draw probably that same logical conclusion.
Yeah.
No offense.
Yeah, exactly.
And I don't even know that it wouldn't necessarily be illegal, depending on the states, but anyone who's bought a firearm, and that's why I've always said, hashtag gift a gun.
Get people to go through the process.
The second someone has purchased a firearm, the second someone has gone through the process, the second someone has done a gun safety training course, guess what?
They're going to know that all of this is BS. They're going to know that the automatic weapon thing is BS. They're going to know that the gun stat crimes are BS. They're going to know the semi-automatic myth, the no background check, the loophole myth.
They're going to understand that.
This Chicago Sun-Times guy, he came up with a number.
He said 40% of firearms are purchased without background checks.
There's no way that is true.
Now, I don't even know where he came up with his number because I was looking for it and I couldn't even find it from the most left-leaning sites.
And I think what he did...
For example, when my grandfather passed, there were a few shotguns and a handgun.
Maybe a handful of guns, right?
And they were passed down to either my dad or his brother or my aunt.
Mostly my dad or his brother.
Just like inheriting anything else.
And there's a process.
You have to file an official form.
Depending where you are, you might have to register it with your police department.
I believe that they're filing those under gun show loophole.
From my research, that is what happened.
It's really about closer to 10% that go through without a background check.
Because the other 30% that he's accounting for are inherited.
I couldn't find an accurate stat.
So I don't want to mislead people because I couldn't find it.
If you can tweet me at his prouder.
I'm pretty sure Obama's quoted that quote.
Has he?
I'm pretty sure he has.
I didn't want to come out with something because even on the furthest left sites, I couldn't corroborate the 40% are bought without background checks anywhere that seemed like I could comfortably substantiate it.
So tweet me at escrowder.
We're going to have Andrew Klavan next.
We're going to come back, talk Islam rebuttals.
We've got some really cool stuff on this program.
We had to get through this.
Andrew Klavan coming up next.
Always a great guest.
Half Christian, half Jewish.
I don't know how he does it.
There's so many holidays with Klavan.
That is a lot.
It's a lot.
When does he work?
And now for Jimmy Fallon Breaks Character.
No, I just...
That's amazing.
I'm funny, right?
And now back to your programming.
Thank you.
Glad to be there.
Glad to have our next guest.
He made very clear before we went on air that he had to get his plugs right.
Dailywire.com is a site, and his show is The Andrew Klavan Show, which is his name.
He's not particularly creative with the titling, I'll give him.
But Andrew Klavan Show, we always recommend it.
Great show.
Dailywire.com, great site.
Andrew Klavan, thanks for being here, sir.
Always a pleasure.
It's the only way I get to see you.
This is true.
You come to California, you don't call, you don't write.
I did, and then you left.
Literally, you were like, well...
You gave me warnings, so I left the state.
Yes, exactly.
No, I was in California doing a video for PragerU and did the Adam Carolla show.
And then Andrew Claven was there, but he gave me like a window of like, well, if you're here between 11.45 and 11.57, I can find some time.
Yeah.
I actually had made a date for a big lunch, which I went to, and I was so sorry I didn't just stay around and talk to you.
The lunch was like a total bore, and you're at least mildly entertaining, so I was sorry.
I apologize.
That's what it'll say on my head still.
He was at the very least mildly entertaining.
That is what I'm looking forward to.
We have a little bit of echo here.
Was it not good because he doesn't have headphones?
Yeah, probably.
All right, we'll try and work with this.
On headphones?
Yeah, put them on live on air.
Why don't you?
It's not like this is syndicated anywhere.
It's been a bit exciting.
Nobody's ever seen this happen.
No, no one's ever seen it.
That's the one thing on radio, too.
It's so silly where people are like, "We can't do this.
We can't let this happen.
We have to retake." It's like, "We don't get to retake this.
This is what's happening." This is what's happening.
Sorry!
Sorry you expected something better.
And truthfully, of course, we blame it on Andrew Klavan.
Of course.
But, oh, there we go.
He's got headphones.
Because you can take it.
Okay, all right.
It's been fixed.
Is there a microphone on that headphone, though?
I've got a mic.
No, I've got a microphone.
Okay, good.
Then we don't have to change anything.
Okay, so Andrew Klavan.
We were talking about this.
Islam.
We talk about that a lot.
We've been doing it for years.
At what point is it okay to just say, you know what, some religions really suck, and some cultures really suck, and the ones who kill 49 gays in a nightclub, why are we somehow talking about an AR-15 rifle that wasn't even used in this attack?
How quickly did this happen?
I blame your state.
It's an amazing thing.
When there is an earthquake and my state floats into the water and sinks, the entire country will be better off.
I'm just hoping I'll be in Texas at the time.
That's the hope!
Suddenly, suddenly on the left, ideas stop mattering.
You know, David Brooks, the New York Times knucklehead, the guys on their op-ed page, he said, there's not terrorism because Muhammad came down and there's a religion called Islam.
As if, like, the formative idea, the idea that shapes a culture, suddenly has no effect whatsoever.
You know, it's like everything we think, everything we believe has to do with Christianity.
Every single thing.
If you're for gay marriage, it's because you believe in the Christian judge not.
If you're against it, it's because you believe in the Christian shall not.
If you think that gay people should be killed, you're completely an outlier in American society because nobody believes that.
Nobody on either side thinks that that's fine.
But...
If you're a Muslim, they sit around and they talk about, like, executing gays as if it were, like, you know, kind of a positive thing for the gay person, you know?
Like, I saw this guy.
This is true.
I saw this guy.
He was saying, you know, we must do this out of compassion for them.
We put them to death, and that is compassionate, you know?
And you think, like, yeah, can I just, like, creep up behind you and clap my hands over your ears real fast and see if your head explodes?
Yes.
Well, that would be the compassionate thing to do.
It's an entirely different way of looking at the world.
And I'm not saying that millions and millions of Muslims aren't great people.
That has nothing to do with it.
It has to do with the fact that ideas shape a culture over the centuries.
And if you look at Muslim countries, they're very different than ours in ways that maybe aren't so good.
Yeah, well, you don't even need to look at Islamic countries.
You can just look at Muhammad right away, and there you go.
There's your starting point.
Horrible human being, a terrorist, period.
There's no way around it.
And then you can look at even wherever Muslims gain any sort of power, non-Islamic countries, like the UK, like you see in Sweden, right?
Anyway, in the United States, there's such a minority...
And we have such a system of checks and balances.
They haven't been able to get to be as unfettered as they are in the UK. But in the UK, 100% of Muslims think homosexuality is unacceptable.
Well, what does Islam teach you do with unacceptable sin?
You kill people for it.
So you have to kind of read between the lines.
But even moderate Muslims in newer countries, westernized countries, are still very much a problem.
And I think...
I think a lot of people are becoming okay with saying that now.
There's the rubber band effect where the media in Hollywood hasn't realized that most Americans are tired of it.
Well, I think that what they're doing is really interesting.
When they released this week the transcripts of the Orlando shooter, and they redacted every reference to ISIS, every reference to Islam.
And then they were forced, because it was so ridiculous, it was like playing Mad Libs, you know, you could easily put back the blanks.
It was so easy to fill in blanks.
It made you think of it twice, you know.
Imagine playing Cranium in a turban.
Okay, what is it?
Is it the bomb?
It's always the bomb!
I'm sorry, that's redacted.
It's redacted.
But, you know, it was almost as if, and when I say almost as if, I'm being ironic because it was truly as if they were saying to you, it's not that you don't know it's there, but you shouldn't know.
You're wrong to know.
You should lie.
You know, the right thing to do, the moral thing, the virtuous thing is to lie.
And I think that that's what's driving people crazy.
When you look at these kids on college campuses and they riot, if somebody comes on and talks to them and says ideas they don't believe in or they, you know, they just go crazy.
If somebody says anything that is out of their wheelhouse, that's induced mental illness.
That's a mental illness.
That is people telling you that it's right to lie.
And so when somebody comes along and tells something that looks like the truth, they're doing an evil act.
You're watching evil right in front of you unfold right in front of you.
Just somebody telling the truth.
They are committing Doing an evil act.
And on campus, of course, we can talk about the Islamic, the hypocrisy, rape culture on campus.
And then they entirely ignore what happens in Islamic.
You know, just as far as rape culture on campus, I have a different finisher from an act when I perform in colleges.
I just slap my Johnson right on the stage.
And I just let it ride.
And then you ask why I don't come to your shows.
Well, yeah, exactly.
And there's almost always an encore, which is awkward, because there's no way to pull that off.
I should hope so.
No, it is true.
It's a good point to make.
It is induced.
I wouldn't say it's induced.
I think as an author, you're using very clever wordplay, but it's not induced mental illness if they know it's a lie.
They're simply continuing the propagandist cycle.
Well, the mental illness is the idea that to lie is virtuous.
Somehow you're going to change the world for the better by describing it as it's not.
There was a story out of Cologne, Germany.
I think it was Cologne.
It was definitely Germany.
The music festival where they got groped and raped.
Where these girls were getting raped on the way to school and molested on the way to school and didn't want to say anything because they didn't want to seem to be anti-refugee.
These girls are being molested and they themselves won't say it because...
And that is a kind of mental illness.
It's like it's virtuous to lie.
It's virtuous not to say that I am being attacked and assaulted because if I say it, then people might think that refugees attack and assault people.
Right.
Well, obviously, that's the case, since you're the one being, you know.
And so I think when you look at college campuses in America and you see the level of hysteria that's going on, it's the hysteria of somebody being told, no, you're not being contacted through your teeth by an alien civilization.
That's actually a delusion.
And then, you know, crazy people go nuts.
Right.
Yes, well, exactly.
They get really mad, and then they end up on the History Channel, which for some reason has nothing to do with history anymore.
This person had aliens in her teeth.
What was that about?
Yeah, you're like, what am I watching?
It came back to aliens all of a sudden, this guy with the Jimmy Neutron hairdo.
I thought it was...
It used to be on the History Channel, you could count on the fact that it was going to be history that took place between 1938 and 1945.
Right.
They only covered World War II. And then suddenly it became from outer space.
I don't know how...
Well, that's just a demographic problem.
There aren't enough that's left.
Maybe that's it.
Ah, that went dark.
But it's true.
They used to sit there in a chair and be like, Damn Japs!
And we're just like, ah, we can sell these guys reverse mortgages.
And then when the demographic dried up, like, let's find the Sasquatch hunters out in Montana.
I don't know.
As I buy gold for crying out loud, it's falling apart.
Oh, my step-grandfather told my dad that God spoke to him and he told him to advise my dad to buy gold.
And my dad said...
Grandpa, that wasn't God, that was Rush Limbaugh.
No!
No!
No, you're absolutely right, and it is a point.
I mean, we've gone to gun control so quickly, and you're in a state where that's obviously the big push.
My brother lives in California.
But you are, I mean, you're relatively recently a first-time fire owner, right?
Yeah, oddly enough, all this time I've been talking, I've said anything I wanted to about Islam.
It was only when I started to talk about Donald Trump when I thought, maybe I ought to buy one of them.
Because the Muslims were like, yes, he hates us, we don't care.
But the Trumpians were like, wait, you don't like Donald Trump, we'll kill you.
I'm sorry.
So I just thought they were saying such horrible things about me on Twitter.
The Trump people, the alt-right, as we call them, they were saying such horrible things about me that I thought, you know what?
If these people came into my house, it would just be such a delight to blow them into the world that I wouldn't want to miss out.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
As you say now, all I've got is this baseball bat to beat them to death with.
I want to blow them away.
Yes, no, exactly.
I've always been a shooter.
I've always gone out shooting, but I never owned a gun because I had kids and it made me and my wife nervous, you know, so I just didn't own one.
But I've always been a guy who likes to go out to the range and shoot.
Well, you have grandchildren now, though, right?
I do have a grandchild, yeah.
Okay, sorry, and how old is your grandchild?
He is one and a little bit more.
Okay, so, well, he's about the age where Muslims will kidnap him if you go to Michael's.
I wouldn't suggest they kidnap my grandma.
He'd beat the crap out of me.
Yeah, well, yeah, exactly.
They come from countries where, you know, what they consume to sustain them is not necessarily nutrient dense, so they're relatively frail.
But, you know, I would love for you to videotape, because I have planned to do this with my children, with your grandson, obviously, with his father and mother's permission.
I'm teaching him the firearm and I mean four or five getting it with him out at the range showing him the safety of course never giving him a loaded gun and teaching him okay this is what you don't do with a gun this is what you never aim it this way and getting your hands around his hand just like not gay Jared had this when he was young and having him fire that weapon at the range and I mean this as young as four or five because every single person I know who's who's done that that child has always respected firearms and it's never been a problem.
Yeah.
Well, obviously, I mean, this is this weird thing that these people who know nothing about guns are constantly preaching to us about guns.
And, you know, there was a wonderful column this week.
I wish everybody would read this by Bill McGurn, my pal at The Wall Street Journal, who wrote about the fact that in New York, they had a system for taking the guns out of the hands of bad guys.
It was called Stop and Frisk.
And because a lot of the bad guys happen to be black, the New York Times and all the liberals and the ACLU shut down the program.
They shut down the program.
So we know for a fact that the left is not worried about guns in the hands of bad guys.
They're really worried about guns in the hands of good guys, because in their mind, good guys are people who don't use guns.
You know, they're they're them.
Right.
Liberals.
And I just think it's an amazing thing that these guys, the stupidity that comes out of their mouths about guns, about these this term assault weapon that nobody can.
I think I'm giving them too much credit.
I don't think it's stupidity.
I don't think that Barack Obama has no idea what a semi-automatic is.
I can't believe he's that stupid.
Okay.
I don't think he's that stupid.
I think when he says semi-automatic to conflate it with machine gun, I think he's doing it deliberately to mislead people.
Because we're talking about this this week.
This is an issue, the gun issue.
No fly, no buy.
Whether it's Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, it requires an entirely uneducated voter base to sell it.
It requires it.
It can't work otherwise.
It requires people don't know that every handgun is a semi-automatic, pretty much.
It requires that they don't know you cannot buy machine guns right now.
It requires that they've never purchased a firearm so they don't understand that there is a system of background checks.
The only way to push this through requires low information voters.
And those can be on both sides.
But on the gun issue, they are always entirely on the left.
That's an absolute I'm comfortable making.
Sorry, I went on that rant.
But we're going to bring you back after the break.
So before the break, let me give you dailywire.com, the Andrew Klavan show, because he's going to have a heart attack if I don't give him his plugs.
And we'll be back to talk more about firearms and Muslims.
And we'll be dead soon.
We'll be right back.
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Our guest, DailyWire.com, the Andrew Klavan Show.
Get it right.
Andrew Klavan, thank you for being with us, sir.
Sorry, I went on a rant before, which shouldn't happen with a guest.
But do you think, I'm out of line, that it requires an entirely uninformed voting base with these gun measures they're trying to push through?
Well, it requires an uninformed voting base over the entire spectrum.
It's not just uninformed about guns, about what guns do and what kind of guns there are.
It's also why we're supposed to have guns.
I've gotten into this conversation several times with liberals where I explain to them, we're supposed to have guns so that we can kill the police, so that we can kill the soldiers.
They keep saying, well, why do you have guns?
You say, well, why do you need an automatic weapon to hunt?
And it's like, no, no, no.
The Founding Fathers were not worried about us hunting.
I'm happy to buy my meat at the grocery store.
That has nothing to do with it.
What I want is to be able to defend myself from bad people, and if the government should become actually oppressive, to join with others in a militia to defend my rights.
And that's why you have guns.
And, you know, when you look at – you only have to look at Europe, where they are sitting with, like, slack-jawed apathy while really an invasion takes place, an invasion of people who do not share their values, who despise them, who really want to change the entire nature of European culture.
And they sit there.
They don't understand that it's up to them.
It's not up to the guy at 10 Downing Street to defend them.
It's up to them to defend themselves, but they don't understand that because they've been disarmed, and they've been told that the government is going to take care of them, and this is 2,000 years of kings ruling over people, and now socialism ruling over people.
Self-defense begins in the home.
And it's just that simple.
And yeah, is it pretty?
No.
Do I wish there were no guns in the world and nobody had to have guns?
Yes.
I mean, that would be a better world.
But that's not the world we live in.
And if we're going to start disarming people, let's start with the bad guys.
Very good point.
First off, I would disagree because guns are really cool, too.
Let's just not lie.
Guns are cool and fun.
They're a lot of fun when you play with them.
It's like Legos for adults.
But you're right, and you know, they have much higher violent crime rates right now, record high rape rates, and I guess while they sit there and they're being mounted by a refugee with no respect for law, and they have gangs running rampant and stabbings at an all-time high, they can say, well, gee, at least it didn't happen with a gun.
I don't understand what they say.
I mean, I do not understand why, especially, I mean, the pitch a lot of times is to women.
You know, they create this atmosphere of, like, complete illogic that obviously appeals to women because...
You went there.
Shoot the police.
Women are illogical.
This is Ice Cube on the show.
Doing Whiteface.
But I mean, you know, would it make me laugh if a bunch of refugees grabbed a German woman and she blew their heads off?
Yeah, that would give me a chuckle.
That's why Death Wish was a successful movie.
That's right.
That's why Death Wish 2 and 3 and 4 were successful movies.
To me, that would be like, you go, Fraulein, you know?
Yeah.
My favorite line is Death Wish 2.
It's where Charles Bronson just says, Hey kid, you believe in Jesus?
Why?
You're gonna meet him and kill him.
It's so simple and hack, but it's wonderful.
That is why it works, because the good guys should be the guys with the guns.
And women especially.
That is the equalizer.
It's like the thing that says, look, I'm never going to get shot by a woman who doesn't want to be abused, because I'm never going to abuse a woman.
But if some guy does, and she blows him away, it's like, hey, to me, that's like comedy.
I agree with you, and I wouldn't feel bad about it.
Yeah.
You know, it's one of those things.
I think there are two different reactions.
You know, you find out someone who carries always with them, and I know many people in my direct friends and family who carry everywhere, and you go, oh, wow, okay, that's great, good for you.
And I generally think, oh, I know the kind of course they've had to go through because I've had to go through.
They're probably a very responsible citizen.
Or the reaction is...
It's one of those two.
At any moment, the gunfire is going to blaze out.
You go to Texas and people are incredibly polite because they know that everybody's strapped.
There's other crime, like gang crime, but there are almost no carjackings in Texas.
In Detroit, you stop at the wrong light, your car is just on cinder blocks.
And they're gone.
And, you know, I would like somebody to explain to me why Chicago, with its incredibly strict gun laws, is a shooting gallery.
And why France, you know, people get blown away and there are no guns there whatsoever.
You know, the other thing about the left that is so incredible is how provincial they are.
It's like if we get rid of all the guns in America...
Nobody will get shot in France.
I'm not sure what the logic is there.
Why is a mass shooting in France a reason to get rid of guns?
You're just going to have John Malkovich in the line of fire building a polymer two-barrel shooting a duck.
I admired that so much.
Like, yeah, you could get that gun on a plane.
Yeah.
Have you ever put the bullets in the rabbit's feet?
You're like, wow.
Say!
I'll be put on a no-fly list, but I actually thought, as I went through TSM, like, oh, this is exactly what a terrorist would do.
And I could do it.
It is a joke.
It is a joke.
The little carriers...
And the fact that I'm saying this right now, sorry, you're on the no-fly list, too, just for being on this program.
But I have thought about that when I just go like, okay, they keep developing.
What would they do?
This is what they would do.
And I have my own little, in my mindset, like a bullet in a rabbit's foot.
And it's just so clear to me what someone could do with TSA. Yeah, no, I mean, that's the thing.
They're going to be printing these things.
You know, you're going to have a printer that prints guns pretty soon.
So it's like, it's not really, the whole thing is kind of beyond their ability.
But it's all, you know, it's very frustrating.
We're talking about this right now.
We're not even talking about the Islamic terrorism.
That we're talking about AR-15s.
And it wasn't even the gun that was used.
That's right.
That's right.
And of course, that guy could always get a gun.
You know, I mean, it's the guy like me who thinks, what's the law here?
Yeah, I'll follow this.
And you go and you get a gun, you know, you fill out a form and the question is, are you a fugitive from justice?
So help me, God, in California, this is a question on the gun thing.
Are you a fugitive from justice?
And I looked at the guy and I said, what's the right answer to this question?
Yeah.
Is that yes or no?
Because I don't want to ruin my chances of getting a gun.
So it's all absurd.
Right.
Well, exactly.
And the thing is what the left wants is if you have to check, are you on any medication?
Well, I take Xanax for jet lag.
Bah!
You lose your fundamental human rights, Second Amendment.
It's gone.
I mean, literally, it could go that far.
Andrew Klavan, you give your last plug before we go to the break.
People can find you.
Come on, dailywire.com.
Listen to my podcast.
It's incredibly hilarious.
Of course, I know, but I was saying it, so I wanted to give you the chance.
And you just gave a worse plug.
I bet you're going to get negative traffic.
People are going to leave.
Dailywire.com, Andrew Klavan's show.
He says he wants me on his show, but keep his feet to the fire because he never actually books me.
Andrew Klavan's show, DailyWire.com.
We will be back, and I'll plug him again after the break, just because.
I know he'll call me.
He'll call me.
It's going to be a thing.
There's always a thing.
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This week we're recapping season 6, the last episode, The Battle of the Bastards.
Eugene, did you watch this week's episode?
Yeah?
I personally thought that the writing has been taking a turn to shove our content and found myself...
Grossly disappointed.
Did you find yourself disappointed with anything of note in this episode of Battle of the Bastards?
I liked it.
No, but think about it.
Is there anything that you thought was maybe missing from season six episode of Battle of the Bastards?
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I thought it was pretty good.
Damn it, you think there were no boobs and butts in this episode?
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I'm a little disappointed you never reciprocate my talk.
You're dancing.
There's no cohesion to the dance.
Well, it's dig, dig, dig.
And then I'm clearly digging crap and flinging at you.
You're always digging for crap.
You're not catching it.
I'm sorry.
We'll do it next time.
We'll have to fix it next time.
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We'll do it live.
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Oh my gosh.
I love...
This is one thing we were talking about cable news and stuff earlier.
Sky, all of that.
I love that I'm so free from any of those shackles.
I can't stand Bill O'Reilly.
I could never stand Bill O'Reilly.
I could never say it when I was on Fox News, because you're not supposed to say it, although almost everyone who works there, the guy is an ass of epic proportions.
And it's like now if someone goes, I know someone who I know who's watching the show will probably go tell him, because I've spent some time with him, not a lot, like in a room with him.
And if Bill O'Reilly called me up right now, I'd be like, uh, are you one of the folks who, uh, called me an ass?
Yes!
Bill O'Reilly, I think you're a dick!
Are we good?
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Well, you're probably trying to have phone sex with me.
They buried that scandal really quickly.
I didn't know if you were going to go there or not.
Do you remember it?
I do remember that.
They buried that so fast over there because he was Mr.
He's not really a conservative.
He's a populist Mr.
Conservative looking out for the folks.
And if you run a search on Bill O'Reilly phone sex scandal, I don't know if the transcripts are out there.
I don't know if we were privy to more, but it was so much worse than most people knew.
Do I need to set this up?
Do we have a clip first before I go?
Let me set this up.
Okay.
So it's no secret that we've done a lot of work on Islam here at Lotto with Crowder.
And the biggest YouTube Islamic channel, I've actually done a lot of research, some really interesting affiliations with this channel and group or organization.
We'll get into that next week.
You asked for it.
Talk Islam.
They've gone out of their way to issue rebuttals to my videos exposing Islam.
And so here we are in sort of a never-ending battle of, well, I guess kind of wits.
Here's one of their more famous videos to which I will issue a rebuttal.
I think everything you need to know about Islam we can cover in this segment.
Not Kate, Jared, roll the clip, please.
That has nothing to do with my prophet.
Please just stop it.
It doesn't make any sense.
That's not the message he sent.
That's not what he meant.
Okay, so he does this spoken word poetry thing, which is for people who can't do stand-up comedy or music, and does this rap about Islam and Muhammad to try and clarify some myths.
Now, his aren't really super substantiated, so we're going to try and not only use chapter, verse, Quran, Hadith, but provide as much context as possible.
So let's go through this piece by piece.
Nothing to do with my prophet.
Nothing at all.
Nothing at all.
I mean, I know a man forbade us from harming the innocent.
Okay, we have to pause right away.
The Quran is pretty clear.
This is one thing that if you hear innocent, well, that sounds nice.
The Quran is clear that anyone who rejects Islam We cannot be innocent.
Here are just a couple of Quran verses to that effect.
We have Surah 3, 151, and then we have Surah 5, 32.
For those listening to rest, I can't read this all.
It'll just take too long.
The first one was, For that cause we decreed for the children of Israel, that whoever killeth a human being, other than man, slaughter, or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind.
And whoever saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he has saved the life of all mankind.
Our messengers came unto them with clear proofs of Allah.
But afterwards, lo, many of them became prodigals of the earth.
Corruption in the earth can mean anything that comes into conflict with Islam.
Corruption in the earth can mean anything that comes into conflict with Islam.
We'll keep circling back to this, but this is important.
The Quran is overwhelmingly clear.
Non-Muslims who refuse to subject themselves to Islam are not innocent.
The Marleys were dead to begin with.
Literally!
Because they weren't Muslim.
Next clip.
This is the man who forbade us from even scaring cattle with a knife.
Saying you have no right to let the animal die twice.
And when he was asked for advice, he'd reply, don't get angry, don't get angry, don't get angry, repeating it thrice.
Mmm, will we say that?
Muhammad got angry, got angry, got angry a whole lot.
See, Muhammad would preach this for others, but didn't really practice it.
He had a sore spot even for simple teasing.
For example, Muhammad ordered the killing of two girls simply because they were singing satirical songs about him.
That's where this starts.
Don't portray him, don't mock him.
It's worthy of death.
It comes from Muhammad himself.
There was also a group of rabbis who laughed at Islam and Muslims, and Muhammad not only ordered them ejected from the mosque, they were yanked out by their hair and their head.
And given severe beatings.
So one might argue he was actually thin-skinned.
Next clip.
I know a man who called to patience first.
Even to those who had treated him the worst.
What?
Except the exact opposite is true.
As you see here by this verse, O believers, fight them, believers who are near to you, and let them find in you a harshness, and know that Allah is with the God-fearing.
Again, we're going to continue to provide more and more context as we build here.
Here's some more, where he specifically called for the deaths of Christians and Jews.
We can bring this up on screen.
Yes, all Christians and Jews.
So this is important to note.
We're also talking about the...
Do we have 839 up there?
839.
So the Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Hajj.
I don't know how we pronounce it exactly.
Again, this is the argument.
They say you're not Arabic, so you can't use it.
So other Muslims were allowed to travel there.
This is important historical context, just not as an armed group.
Since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction, the Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion.
Since it was Muhammad's goal, he was planning on destroying their idols, establishing Islam by force.
Hence, this part of the verse is so critical.
Because in the verse 839, where it says, religion is only for Allah, meaning that the true justification of violence was unbelief of the opposition.
The justification for violence against them was simply unbelief.
Muhammad further explains in the Sirah, Allah must have no rivals.
So again, we're coming back to, there is no innocent non-Muslim, particularly if you resist Islam.
Not just being non-Muslim, but if you say, you know what, no, I'm going to be a Buddhist, I'm going to be a Christian.
That is evil.
You cannot be innocent.
So we need to drill this into you so you understand it.
More and more context.
Next clip.
Next clip.
Except that's not true at all.
There's only forgiveness for those who do not convert.
I realized I missed one of those clips.
There's only forgiveness for those who convert to Islam.
Again, 929.
Surah 929.
We've talked about that.
It is very, very clear.
To go back to another point.
Yeah, 929.
Keep that up there.
People of the book here.
So 929 says, This is important.
People of the book refers to Christians and Jews.
According to this verse, in context, they are to be violently subjugated.
With the sole justification, as you can see in this first context, the only justification needed is their religious status.
Notably that the religion is not that of Islam.
So in verse 933, I don't think we have this up.
It tells Muslims that Allah has chartered them to make Islam superior over all other religions.
Now, here's what's important.
Abrogation is something you need to understand with the Quran.
So we've talked about this context.
He says some nice things early on.
He got increasingly mad, and he became increasingly violent.
And it's clear in the Quran, Muslims are taught, if Muhammad says something later on in his life that contradicts an earlier teaching, it supersedes it.
That's abrogation.
And it's a central principle from Islam.
So this is important, because we're talking about the Christians and Jews and subjugating them in violence, because this chapter was one of the final revelations from Allah, and it set in motion, really, a tenacious military expansion in which Muhammad's companions' followers managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next hundred years.
Because Islam intended, always, from its inception, from Muhammad, to completely dominate the world and subjugate everyone.
And they were justified.
People who did not submit could not be innocent, and you can do to them whatever you want.
So protect the innocent.
Again, no non-Muslims are innocent.
Sorry, Jared, I know I kind of skipped around there.
He pardoned and forgave.
Let's go to that 232 clip where the reward in serving all things.
I'm back.
I mean, I know a man who was so caring and compassionate, who said that there is a reward in serving all things that are animate.
In other words, everything that breeds, whether it be the animals, the trees, and every single human being.
Okay, but again, the Quran, we have it up here, 48, 29.
It's important to define the term serving, and human being, even.
How does the Quran, how does Muhammad instruct people to serve non-Muslims?
We have Surah 812.
Remember when the Lord inspired the angels, I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed.
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, so strike them upon necks and strike them from every fingertip.
This is not talking about an isolated incident or historical documentation of war.
These are open-ended calls that are central to the theology of Islam.
And it becomes increasingly centered on this the later into the Quran you get.
Again, abrogation, that's important to note.
Let's get to the slave portion here.
And yes, let's do that next.
See, I know a man who advocated for the freedom of the slaves.
Except he personally owned at least four female slaves.
So there's that.
But I guess Burkitt's sex slaves don't count.
He also had slaves of the non-child bride, non-sex variety.
As we see in Sahih Muslim 3901, we have this up here where he talked about slaves.
And then, of course, we have more context where...
He bought slaves.
We have Ibn Sayyid Kisham 484 where he's instructing you how to treat slaves, what needs to be done with slaves.
Basically all kinds of slaves.
Sex slaves, non-sex slaves, just a big slave-owning dude.
That's why there's still slavery in the Islamic world.
Not so much in Western Europe.
You know what?
We need to fight fire with fire.
We're going to go to a break and I'm going to try my hand at slam poetry in the break.
We'll come back and we'll wrap this up for you.
But spoken word poetry, it's become my thing.
Let's watch it.
Maybe the reason these people act in his name is because, unlike I say, terrorists and Muhammad are one and the same.
See, maybe the reason for pipe bombs and suicide vests is to fulfill the teachings of Muhammad, just like the rest.
See, the technology wasn't good back then.
It took a while to get there.
Like this fringy pubic hair beard that looks like my back hair.
Pause!
See, new camera angle for dramatic effect.
This propaganda needs style or else I'll get wrecked.
Maybe the reason so many Muslims hate Christians and Jews is because Muhammad himself said they're worth less than you.
See, I paint a man who spoke against slavery and lived life so serene.
But Muhammad had more sex slaves in sex dungeons than the late Charlie Sheen.
Oh wait, he's still alive?
But I thought he had AIDS. That's not a big deal now.
I guess my mistake.
Muhammad made clear that no non-Muslims are innocent.
So your choice is convert, pay the tax, or die.
Isn't that magnificent?
See, no forgiveness for those who rejected his teachings, which, by the way, changed all the time.
Oh, what's this I'm reading?
It's true, Muhammad started off peaceful, but got increasingly angry.
But you need to learn about abrogation to understand the insanity.
See, what that means is what Muhammad taught later has to supersede.
All the previous Islamic teachings, which then ceased to be.
When you take Muhammad's teachings and life as a whole, his story is clear.
He was a wife-beating, pedophile, serial-killing bigot who was really just an overall piece of s***.
The End
Glad to be back.
Fixing my hair.
Good slam poetry for those listening terrestrially who missed it.
Great job.
That was fantastic.
Okay, so we have to get back to the points here on Talk Islam.
We have to wrap this up.
Okay, let's run the next clip, Jared.
This is the man I follow, so forgive me if this sounds unusual.
But the man I know was so much more handsome, so beautiful.
I guess now is about the time when we're not supposed to mention that closeted homosexuality is rampant in Islamic countries.
Childish, yes.
Relevant, I would argue very much so.
Next clip.
But nevertheless, I know a man who still taught us to stand up for the oppressed.
Okay, alright people, let's skip the macro.
Here's where we tie it all together.
I've clearly just proven.
By the way, this guy at TalkIslam is welcome to come on the program.
He's done online rebuttals.
I don't do online rebuttals to anyone against whom I'm not willing to debate in person.
I think that's something that a coward does.
He's been welcomed onto the program.
He's decided, no, I'm just going to do the YouTube back-and-forth public urination contest.
So you're welcome to come on the show.
I feel that I've pretty definitively proven that no non-Muslims can be innocent, according to Muhammad in Islam.
He talks about the oppressed.
It's important to note, not gay, Jared.
I don't know how much of this you kind of knew before today.
You're an educated guy, but a lot of people don't know this about Islam.
Yeah, I don't know much.
Anyone who refuses Islamic subjugation is not only not innocent, but they are seen as an oppressor, according to Muhammad.
Yes, even you watching, Mr.
Tolerant, liberal atheist, who thinks that you are appreciative of Islamic culture.
I have an Islamic, I don't have it up here, but they talk about how the 30th sin, which is mentioned as one of the greater sins, is not helping the oppressed people.
To defend the oppressed is to ward off evil, according to Islam.
And not performing such a task is considered shirking a great duty, which Allah has made incumbent upon Muslims.
So, anyone who is engaged in evil is an oppressor, according to Islam.
Anything non-Muslim or against Islam is evil.
Ergo, anybody who fights for the freedom to engage in evil is an oppressor.
And they can be put to death.
That's the thing.
Fight against oppressors, kill them.
Don't hurt innocents.
If you're not Muslim, you can't be innocent.
If you refuse Islam, you are an oppressor.
And Muhammad made it clear that they are justified in killing you.
Do all Muslims follow this?
No.
Did Muhammad teach this?
Absolutely!
That's what he taught.
That's how he lived his life.
That's what's so important to know about Muhammad.
Chapter and verse.
All here.
We'll have all the references at ladderwithcreditor.com.
Here's the thing with Islam, too.
It's sort of like the Second Amendment.
We've talked about this.
When taken very literally, it seems bad.
Kill all nonbelievers.
But context matters.
I understand that, right?
You can take verses in the Bible where we're talking about specific instances of war, regulations for battle during that time.
I get that.
I understand that.
That's not necessarily fair to do.
But here's the thing with Islam.
On its surface, it's bad.
When taken within context, however, it gets even worse.
So you talk Islam painted, well, it's propaganda.
They painted a picture of a man who demanded peace, humane treatment of the innocent, of animals, fought against slavery.
Loved the trees.
Loved the trees.
Big fan of the trees.
Big fan of the foliage and protected the oppressors.
The reality is that Muhammad was a sex slave owning, wife beating pedophile who made it expressly clear that all non-Muslims by definition cannot be innocent.
And that all non-Muslims who refuse to subject themselves to Islam are by definition oppressors.
Who were ordered by Muhammad to be fought and killed.
Read the Quran if you're listening to this.
Check the references at louderwithcrowder.com.
They'll all be there.
Learn the context.
So learn the verses and read beyond the verses.
Learn the context.
Fact check me, please.
And prove me where I'm wrong.
I welcome it.
That's my challenge to you.
We don't have an outro.
We don't.
Maybe play some more slam poetry, though.
Do we have some more slam poetry of his?
We don't.
Oh, we don't?
You thought we could do it, but we don't actually have it.
Tweet me, at Ask Crowder.
I'm more than happy to.
Maybe I can get up on Twitter here and see what people think about the Talk Islam business.
I read the Koran with an open mind and heart, says Stephanie Spears.
It truly is an evil text.
Muslims can turn anything into anything.
I think she meant to write something else there, but I appreciate it.
Chewbacca's lover, at Chewy's lover, said, Talk Islam really sounds like a drunk gay Christopher Walken to me.
I can kind of see that.
I'm trying to think if he's talking about Islam.
Muhammad in the Koran.
Kill Jews!
The weepy tone, I think is what it is.
What is that with the weepy tone?
Is that kind of Macklemore?
No, I don't see him doing it too much.
What's funny is talk Islam.
It's popular with this style of music and this style of...
Don't call that music.
I'm ashamed.
I love hip-hop.
That's not hip-hop.
He's against music.
He's part of the school of thought with Islam where they think music is bad and evil.
So they've tricked God by putting a musical background, but he's just doing spoken word.
So it's technically not music.
See, because God doesn't pick up on bass tones.
He doesn't.
That's clever.
It's clever.
I never thought about that.
God can be easy to trick.
He is that.
He may be omnipresent, but he's not really up to date on the electric beats, on the technology with music creation.
So, what do you say?
S. Crowder just called Muhammad a piece of blank.
I'm glad this guy concealed carries or I'd be worried for his safety.
You know, here's one thing, and people have asked us if we would sell that Muhammad shirt from the Bob Ross painting.
If people want that and you'll wear it, we'll sell it.
We're going to create the store.
Here's the thing.
Here's why we do this, okay?
And if you just look at that segment we just did, is it offensive?
Sure.
But it is remarkably researched.
And I'm a comedian.
Like I said, my aim there is fact-check me.
Prove me wrong.
I'm open to it.
I want to be proven wrong.
Let me give you an idea as to where I was wrong.
Patriot Act.
Now, I was too young.
To really have a vote at that point.
But I've talked about this on the show.
I willfully admit...
Now, in spirit, am I still less...
Was I less worried of George W. Bush using the Patriot Act for abuse and Barack Obama?
Yes.
And it has been used...
It has been abused grossly.
Now, I was young.
I was in my teens.
And I thought, well, you know what?
Everyone supported the Patriot Act after 9-11.
I've talked about this.
It's not a principle change.
It was, as a young person, I didn't think of someone like Barack Obama coming in.
Most people supported the war after 9-11.
Exactly.
And you thought we had to.
I didn't see Barack Obama coming.
And I've learned from that.
I've learned from that.
I am willing to say, hey, here's where I was wrong.
Here's why I was wrong.
The reason we do this with Islam and the Quran and drawing Muhammad is so hopefully more of you do because they can't catch us all.
And the more you do it, the less power they have.
The more you shine a light on this, the less power they have.
The less individuals they can pick off because if just a mob of people are drawing Muhammad and a mob of people are opening their criticism, guess what?
It makes it a lot harder to fight.
Do we have a guest coming up?
Matt George coming up.
Oh, that's right!
We have them on hold.
Matt George, speaking of Islam, Muslim couple out there in Georgia allegedly tried to abduct...
Then they got screwed.
...his little child, 14 months old, and then the media called them racist.
Not the Muslims who tried to...
But him!
Him!
Kidnap a child as long as they're racist.
It's cool.
It's cool.
Let's go!
Rifles and Accessories Warehouse.
Hi, this is Neil Steinberg of the Chicago Sun-Times, and I was just calling to see if I could come on in there and, for a story that I'm doing, purchase a machine gun.
Well, we in fact do not sell machine guns.
You will be hard-pressed to find anybody who can.
Any semi-automatic variant will do.
I thought you said you were looking to procure a machine gun.
Yes, any machine gun, you know, any...
Yes!
Yes, any semi-automatic machine gun will work for the report.
Well, you're discussing two different things.
There are fully automatic machine guns, and there are semi-automatic, both rifles and pistols.
What is it that you are looking for?
Hmm...
I guess I just assumed...
Do you mean to tell me that you work for a major publication, Like the Chicago Sun-Times.
And your level of understanding of current firearm technology is so limited that you genuinely do not understand the difference between a semi-automatic and a fully automatic machine gun.
Wait a second.
Are you that guy who was denied a rifle for beating his wife?
Well, that's not necessarily the way I'd put it.
No, it's the way the law puts it.
In a legal fashion.
And from a personal standpoint, you are a piece of human shit.
Glad to be back.
Pogo Bump.
Always great, Pogo.
We love the Pogo.
So let me set this up for our next guest, because this is something that was a story we've talked about.
I think we've written about it at ladderwithcreditor.com.
Not Gay.
Jared was on top of it.
This happened in Georgia.
It was on the news.
The couple was at a Michael's hobby shop, for those of you who don't know.
And an Islamic woman, basically, when the mother looked away, and I'll have the man explain it for us in a second, lifted the child, tried to take the child out of the cart, tried to unbuckle the child, and they went to the police.
And then, next thing you know, it's a whole new story, and people thought they were being Islamophobic.
I'm not entirely sure.
But the man is here, the husband, Michael George.
Hit us with it.
Someone tried to steal your kid?
Matt George at Michael's.
Yeah, Matt George at Michael's.
What did I say?
Michael George.
It's confusing because there's a Michael and a Matt in the story.
Matt George from Michael's.
Someone tried to yank your toddler.
Yeah, I get that a lot, anyway, the Michael Jordan thing.
Okay.
Yeah, no, it was pretty scary.
It happened, like you said.
I mean, it was...
My wife was in line, and we have identical twins.
Right.
And we're used to people coming up to them all the time.
In fact, I tell people, if you ever want to know what it's like to be famous, we also have...
Great Danes.
So if you ever want to know what it's like to be famous, just buy a Great Dane, go for a walk.
So we're used to people coming up to us.
That's an important point because that sets the tone where it's not like this is something out of the ordinary, people coming up commenting or wanting to look at your little ones.
Yeah, absolutely.
And in fact, that was like, you know, when we became pregnant with the twins, my first question was, well, at least are they identical?
That way we could have, you know, sort of a sideshow aspect to the whole thing.
Right.
As opposed to just having two babies at the same time, which don't really count.
You can have them do the same sport so they have double the recovery, they cut the recovery time in half.
I get it.
Okay.
So I have the story relatively accurate.
Just kind of give us a recap because we don't have a ton of time and then I want to get to your reaction.
Okay, so real quickly, what happened was she was in line.
There were a couple of girls behind her who were also identical twins.
I'm sorry, they were just regular twins in their 20s.
And they said, oh my God, you have twins?
We're twins.
So my wife turns and starts to talk to her.
Now, she's wearing one of our kids on her, and she has the other one strapped in.
These boys are 14 months old.
One of them was sick, and that's why she was wearing them.
Okay.
And so she notices something going on behind her.
She turns to see a woman hunched over And she's lifting up our son Briggs out of the cart.
And what happened was the woman was startled because our son was strapped in.
And when she noticed that he was strapped in, actually what happened was my wife noticed what was going on, put her hand up and said, what are you doing?
And the woman, at that moment, put the boy down, goes to unbuckle him, And try to pick him up again.
And that was the moment that my wife was like, whoa, stop!
And she yelled.
And at that point, the male companion who was with her turned around, looked at her, and said something in Arabic.
We don't know what it was.
Could have been Farsi.
Stop being racist.
Continue.
Exactly.
I know.
I've already been accused of that three times.
So she turns around.
The woman turns around, having once looked at my wife.
Not once.
And so she turns around and goes to the checkout counter.
My wife turns to the girls and says, that was really weird, wasn't it?
That wasn't just me.
And the girls go, yeah, that was pretty weird.
Something special.
Yeah, so we have the incident.
You go to the cops, and this comes out as a story.
Now, I want to get into it because, like I said, we did see some people saying, oh, they're just being racist, Islamophobic.
By the way, not an illogical phobia, whatever the phobia is here when someone's trying to unbuckle your foot.
14 months old, I would say that's a logical concern.
They chalked it up to, was it the legal terminology, cultural differences?
We were told several different stories from immigration through the police.
So the first story we got was that it's cultural differences.
Oftentimes when people from other countries come to the United States, oftentimes they will not have seen an African-American child.
So out of curiosity, they'll pick them up.
They'll just go pick them up.
And I was like, well, that doesn't really work with us in this particular scenario because...
Do you believe that or do you think something else was going on?
You know...
It's entirely speculative.
I get that, but...
Yeah.
You know, it's really hard to tell at this point.
Okay.
What we do know is that none of it makes any sense.
Right.
My wife has had cultural barriers before.
She's had Hispanic women come up to her that don't speak English and say, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And my wife goes, yes, yeah, no problem.
Your Spanish is impeccable.
A little bit of an accent, but yeah.
I know.
And so, she's very accommodating, but in this instance, there was no eye contact, no nothing.
Well, let me say a couple of things that are sort of...
My parents live in an area that's a lot of Indian people, and my wife is six foot and blonde.
And I will say this, a cultural difference, like, they leer, so she'll just be walking through the supermarket, and they just...
Right.
The entire time, and she'll be like, hi, hello, like, try and greet them.
You know, she's not upset by it, and they just...
And they look away.
So, I ended up, like, literally that leer, that...
That's all they do.
If you're walking through Walmart, just hundreds of Indian men just looking at my wife that way.
And she's not mad about it, but she gets a little uncomfortable when she says, Hi, how are you?
And they don't respond.
So that happens.
And we'll tell you from Montreal, the missing children's list.
This is entirely anecdotal.
I can't substantiate this as a statistic.
We would always have, like, Yusuf, Munam, Muhammad.
There were always a ton of Muslim kids who were missing.
And we did have a woman on here who left Islam, and she did say, well, culturally that makes sense because she had to leave and go into hiding because the woman has no rights to her children.
Abduction is actually pretty common.
There's a culture of child abduction in Islam.
So, you know, if there are cultural differences, it still could mean that the cultural differences are kidnapping.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, we heard two different stories from the police.
When this first happened, the cops were like, yeah, this is a really scary thing.
My wife actually took a picture of the couple, and we had debated about posting the couple on social media, and they actually had a child.
And the police at that time, very early on, said, yeah, you should post it on social media, and you should not blur out the child, because there's a very good chance that child was kidnapped, too.
They actually said that to us.
So they found the couple because they've only been in the United States for six weeks.
Right.
And they are from?
Afghanistan.
We were originally told they were from Iraq.
And that story has now changed.
We're now being told they're from Afghanistan, and immigration has told us, you know, we're just trying to work them into the system.
And my whole point is, and yet another example of government agencies working spectacularly well, let's say this is just all a perfect, let's say it was all innocent.
Then immigration is failing these people, big time.
Yeah.
No, we don't do that in America.
We don't play it.
And if someone reaches for their hip, for their concealed carry, because you're trying to unbuckle their kid, guess what?
Those are the dice you roll when you grab someone else's kid in the United States.
I'm fine with that.
Yeah.
So there's nothing really to do moving forward.
You just seem to have sympathetic police officers, from what I understand, mostly, but an unsympathetic, I guess, sort of liberal contingency of the media.
You've had some backlash.
You've been accused of being racist, Islamophobic, if I'm right?
Mostly on Facebook, mostly social media.
My wife has tried to make it as even as possible, but yeah, we've been accused of being racist even for just posting it.
Isn't it?
Well, here's the thing.
If they're assuming that there are cultural differences, where this is okay, right?
And you're not okay with that with your child.
I'm not okay with a stranger grabbing my child, period.
Right?
I don't care who they are.
So if they're admitting these are cultural differences, then isn't it perfectly valid for you to be concerned with an Islamic person approaching your child because you're not comfortable with it?
That is a form of discrimination.
That is a form of generalization that seems to be entirely appropriate for you to make as a parent, even if that's the case.
Yeah, I would agree.
And at the bottom line, even if you were to take everything out of it, take the cultural, the appropriation out of it, whatever, the fact that this woman didn't even look at my wife has raised so many red flags for us that we're just...
She could have just been beaten.
You know, honestly, she could be so beaten, broken down by her husband that she's afraid.
That actually occurred to us, to be honest with you.
I mean, there was a part of us that thought maybe she just was so intimidated by even the presence of her husband.
So the police found the couple.
They did actually go to their house.
The husband apologized profusely.
And the police came back to my house to tell me that the husband, it was all a big mistake, that there was no intention to kidnap the child.
And I looked, there was a 30-year veteran and a 15-year veteran.
I looked at the 30-year veteran and I said, we were told by immigration that this is a common occurrence.
How many times have you had to deal with this kind of thing?
And he went...
Never.
Never.
Yeah, it's a good...
What you said was a really good point.
Immigration is failing them.
You know, it's one thing to not even learn the language, obviously, is a problem.
It's one thing to not really assimilate or obviously come here illegally or not pay taxes.
Stand on the toilets.
Stand on the toilets.
That's the worst.
They do that?
There's shoe prints all over the toilets.
Yeah.
I think those are just the truck stops you go to, and I don't think it's because of people using the toilets for their initial design.
That's fair.
But at a certain point, they're grabbing people's children, unbuckling someone's...
And I hope that anyone who's a leftist or social justice warrior would at least put themselves in your shoes, because I watched the interview.
We have it up on the website where your wife said, like, we're used to people coming up to us.
That's fine.
But not looking you in the face, trying to take your 14-month-old, 16-month-old...
14 months old and unbuckling it when you're not looking, that is something I think would terrify any parent.
Any parent!
Yeah, and a lot of people have said, why didn't you do more?
Why didn't you jump on the woman?
Why didn't you do this?
Why didn't you do that?
She ultimately had the situation under control when the woman dropped our baby.
And, you know, it's tough.
When you're in those types of situations, who knows how you're going to react.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I'm just amazed as to it's a big misunderstanding.
I'm surprised, too.
What I want to know is, if he's so apologetic when the cops came over, this is entirely, listen, I'm speculating Monday quarterback, that's fine.
But if he was so apologetic to the cops, why did he turn to that woman and say something in what we think was Arabic without acknowledging you in the moment?
Why didn't he turn to you and say, I'm so sorry, and explain it?
Yeah.
Why not say it in English?
And also, the other thing I was going to say, that the police very initially early on were like, yeah, this could be a problem.
They told us about the I-20 corridor being a big human trafficking corridor.
And so...
You know, they've kind of shifted.
They went from, yeah, this is really serious, to coming over here and going, yeah, it was all a big mistake.
Sorry.
Right.
And it could be a big mistake, but I'm just wondering, you know, for me, right away, like, you know, you have overly sensitive parents where I'll be like, and lying, and the parents, how dare you?
And I'm just like, I'm just, your kid was smiling, and sorry, you know, and I'll just clarify, hey, I'm sorry, your kid was making a face.
I made a face back at him.
I get kids death stares all the time.
I just, parents are looking.
Yeah, I know, but you aim your Smith& Wesson at them, and you're not supposed to do that.
It's a bad idea.
One day I'll learn.
One day.
It only takes one accident.
But I would right away, I would imagine they'd try and mitigate it.
So I'm sorry, there just seems like a whole bunch of things all around that are incomplete here.
Is that music to take us to the break?
No.
It's just miscellaneous music going on.
I'm sorry, Matt and Jared.
It's saying you've gone on too long.
No, no, no, he's not.
Okay, so what would you say to people?
What do you do now?
What would you say to people who were first hearing about this story?
Or do you have any advice for parents?
Ultimately, the lesson is, you know, buckle your kids in, even at their shop.
I mean, that was what she took away from it.
We don't know what would have happened had she not even had Briggs buckled into the seat.
So, you know, that's...
All we can take from it at this point.
And that the guy, if nothing else, is a total prick because he should have apologized there on the spot.
You didn't say it.
I said it.
If I were a dad, I would be upset with him.
Matt George, thank you so much.
If anything develops, please keep us posted, okay?
Yes, sir.
Will do.
And his name is Matt.
His name is not Michael.
It happened at Michael's.
And that is a creepy story, man.
I don't know.
It is creepy.
I know we're supposed to be tolerant of everybody, but I don't have a lot of tolerance for people who go around just snatching up kids with no eye contact.
It's a douchey thing to do.
Don't do it.
It is douchey.
At least.
And now, Samantha Bee punctuates her salient point with extreme profanity while wearing a cool leather jacket.
So you know what, Republicans?
F*** you!
Right?
Am I right?
Look at my jacket!
And now back to your programming.
Thank you.
Glad to be back.
Amped up.
Amped up.
Ready to go.
Skag 3 after the break.
After the break.
Yeah, after the break.
No, wait, no.
We got two segments, then Skag.
Gosh, we're all over the map.
We've been trying to really plan these shows a little better, a little tighter, and so sometimes it gives me a little less room to just sort of do the free flow.
Okay, we talked about this last week.
So let me set this up.
This guy, Michael Woods Jr., has been on...
I don't know if I would say friend.
I would like to say friend, but I don't know him that well.
But a man who I respect, Joe Rogan, I've been on his program.
Michael Woods Jr.
has been on Joe Rogan's program several times.
And people were asking me and him to get together to do a debate.
So this is the clip they were sending me.
A disrespect beef or a drug war beef can lead to that shooting.
I want to have you sit down with someone who is a gun proponent.
Good luck.
What do you mean, good luck?
I've been here for a year doing this, day in and day out, challenging everyone from Sam Harris to whoever.
They're not going to do this.
The evidence is on my side.
Well, they're not going to do what?
Have a debate for you?
They're not going to have a debate.
Oh, they certainly would.
I could definitely set that up.
Set it up.
Okay.
Well, I could set it up with my friend Justin.
So the reason we did that, the reason we're doing this is because he said no one would.
So I sent out a tweet to him.
Now, let me be clear, saying...
Gladly would love to have a discussion on my program.
It would be effective.
We can do it wherever.
He tweeted this out.
I have this up on my screen.
All right, we will see what Joe says.
And if it doesn't work, we can do on a recorded Skype or something.
My DMs are open.
So that's great.
I was happy to see that.
Now, after that, we try to book Michael Woods Jr.
Let me bring this up here.
Here is the next order.
This is Naki Jared, Stephen's producer.
Does this time work?
He said, I will be in L.A. doing pre-planned media all week.
Won't be able to schedule until I get back to the East Coast.
I said, okay, thanks.
You let me know.
Open invite.
Be well.
This is how we left it.
After this point, Michael Woods Jr.
went out publicly on Twitter and said, new rules...
I'll only do the debate if you give to this GoFundMe.
And I don't remember what it was.
He claims it wasn't for him.
It was for charity.
And so people got on him about it because he's changing the terms.
So I said, well, what?
Hold on a second.
Why are you doing this?
You agreed to debate.
And then he, as you see on here, he said a debate.
He started direct messaging me after he went public, mind you.
And he released our private emails publicly first.
It's important to note that.
He said a debate means a proper debate.
Going on your show is an entirely different story.
Act professional.
I just showed you.
He said we can do a prerecord on Skype.
It was his suggestion.
So I told him that I didn't ask for a debate.
I asked for a discussion.
He was the one who used the word debate.
And let me just give you his final correspondence here, and then we'll get into the digging that we've done.
He said, I'm willing to essentially do your challenge, but as you should as a good person, attempt to raise the donations for the youth attempting to be a good citizen.
In good fun, not for you to come and be nice here and talk crap publicly.
We can do it in person as well.
So anyways, he kept changing the terms of debate.
He has no interest in debating me.
Let me say this one thing.
Every now and then I think Joe might watch or listen to the program.
He then was trying to leverage this, we talked about this last week, to get on to Joe Rogan's show.
I would love to debate him on Joe Rogan's show.
I'll debate him on any show, like you saw with Sky News.
That's fine.
But I would never be so pompous as to try and leverage this program, which is a decently viewed, listened to program for sure, onto Joe's program, which is a mammoth program.
It's not appropriate for me.
Michael Woods Jr.
has no problem doing it.
I invited him to the platform that I have.
And he said no and kept changing the term.
So it's important to note that.
Because here are a few things.
We've finally done some digging into Michael Woods Jr.
He claims no one wants to debate him.
And it seems like every time someone calls him on it, it turns into some sort of money grab for him.
So, his blog was Goodreads.
Here's his blog from a while ago.
I've done some digging.
Actually, my good friend R did some digging on him.
And I hate to say this, and I would hate to see Joe led by the nose by someone who I think is a bit of a fraud.
You can look at this and see it wasn't about racism.
It was all about pension.
It was all about benefits.
Here's a comment from back in 2012 from Michael Wood Jr.
where we found where he's talking about, again, contract dispute over pay raises.
The provision of our retirement changed from 25 years to 20 years.
College tuition reimbursement.
Here's the thing.
Before 2014, where he's come out and talked about systemic racism, he never complained about it.
He only complained about pension, about benefits, about pay, and he certainly seemed to have a persecution complex, which is...
And then it always led back to shameless self-promoting of his books.
That seems to be the common thread.
Always promoting his books.
As a matter of fact, here's something that really concerned me.
I did some digging.
Don't bring this up yet, Jared.
I'll bring it up on the screen.
He's never named a specific instance when he talks about how he was injured and he left the force.
A lot of people think he left...
No, he pulled his shoulder moving a desk.
He always avoids specifics.
I've looked through interviews.
And his recent education, I have it here on LinkedIn.
I did some digging.
They come from what some people could consider diploma mills, Kaplan University, Davenport Campus.
You can simply run a Google search to see some of the scandals associated there at Capella University.
I don't know if many people would take a PhD from there.
Seriously, there are some great online college programs.
These tend to be in the realm of those that are seen as shady.
Now, I'm not saying that to entirely discredit him, but it is something that kind of adds up.
And whenever he would write blogs or go somewhere, he promotes his books.
Something he talks about right here, too, it's on his LinkedIn, the Police Leadership Association.
This is something he talks about a lot, right?
You have an association, you have a nonprofit.
This is why I wouldn't want to be involved with any of his GoFundMe.
Well, I looked at it.
And if you go to the Police Leadership Association, the site's moved to PLAPublishing.com.
I have it right here on my screen.
So this is the association he claims, you know, to try and be altruistic.
Look, I'm helping police.
Well, you click it.
It goes to a web archive.
All of them, by the way.
It just goes to places where you can buy his book.
My computer's being slow right now because we're running everything.
And this is PLAPublishing.com.
Where you can go and buy his book.
Many books.
By the way, his writing isn't very good.
Don't bring this up on screen.
I'll read you some...
This is just me.
Brief excerpt from his novel.
With my left knee pinning his nuts to the concrete, right knee pinning his left arm down, left hand holding his head up, and right hand crushing his esophagus.
Lots of commas.
I look into his eyes.
Are you the one who took from me?
Emptiness.
Are you the one who did it?
Emptiness.
I can see in his eyes that this effer has no idea what I'm talking about.
It's like a 16-year-old emo kid.
Listen, I don't want to get into just how crappy...
Was that my...
Was that your diary?
Here's the deal, though.
Nothing seems to check out.
And when he's called on it and given an opportunity to clarify, he went on Joe Rogan, said no one would debate him.
We were friendly.
He changed the terms.
I'd like to find out exactly where this police association is because it doesn't exist.
And he has no history of speaking out against racism until he left and he made a career off of it, which he uses to push books.
Maybe you guys can get me some more info, but I smell something fishy.
We'll be back.
Welcome to episode 349 of the Game of Thrones Fandom Podcast.
I wanted to take this opportunity to use a platform that Eugene and I have created and influenced we have to send a direct message to George Martin, the brilliant and prolific creator of Game of Thrones, as well as its original inspirational content, the fictional series of a song of fire and ice.
George, your fans are crying out to you.
There has been a noticeable decrease in quality on the Game of Thrones show and your fans who have been loyally supporting you.
What more boobs and butts?
If the show doesn't have the boobs and butts, I just go watch the Lord of the f***ing rings.
Yeah, but I think Game of Thrones is more grown up than Lord of the Rings.
No, it's not the point, Eugene.
It's not about any appropriate content or the rigging the fire.
Listen!
If there's no boobies and busts, it's not Game of Thrones, George!
George!
George!
Get your s**t together, George!
All your fans, watch!
You're gonna return to form!
And now, for this week's installment of The View for this week's installment of The View Recap.
*laughter* Now back to your programming.
Glad to be back.
And we're going to have Skag3 after the break.
Up and coming YouTuber.
Yes.
Former liberal who's opened his mind a little bit.
We'll have hopefully a good discussion.
Get into his story and also where he lines up on the current election.
It's become so divisive now.
I feel like you're either a liberal or a former liberal.
You're not kind of half in.
There's no middle.
I think social media has so much with that too.
You got the polarizing that happens on social media.
You got people coming farther right, farther left.
Facebook's only giving you what you want to see.
Right.
Right.
I think you're seeing a lot.
I think a lot of today's problems are going on to social media.
Well, I don't consider myself a centrist at all.
I'm entirely open that I'm very far right.
But if you look at this program, we constantly have voices of opposition.
Half of our sources are from liberal websites.
The reason our stories at louderwithcrowder.com are different is because usually we're getting them from leftist sites.
Mm-hmm.
And a lot of the rights, it's just recycle the same stuff.
Matter of fact, this week was a good example of that rape story in Twin Falls, Idaho.
Everyone recycled something, but there was no real substantiation.
There was no source.
So I actually called up a woman who claimed the rape story was false of these refugees.
She claimed the, I don't know if it's DA or the prosecutor, And she said that he said none of this was true.
Well, I called her.
She didn't have any sources at all.
I called him, and I didn't get in touch with him.
But then after looking it up, the case was sealed.
So there's no way the claims she made could have been true.
But there's also no way the claims that a lot of the right-wing propagandists made could have been true.
It seems like the truth is somewhere there in the middle.
But I'm a comedian.
We're entertainers.
This is an entertainment program, and I'm amazed that nobody does this.
Again, please don't rely on me for information.
We get things wrong.
We issue corrections on this show very often, but we really do try, and that was one of the stories where I felt disappointed from the right and the left.
Okay, speaking of truth, we have a new segment here on Louder with Crowder.
We're going to be doing them more regularly because a lot of people have asked to sort of boil some arguments in a way that's succinct and shareable.
So this week in the new segment, top five crappiest, top five crappiest myths surrounding gun control.
That was just kind of ended.
I faded back to you.
Oh, you faded back to me.
It could have gone better.
All right, so we have a few gun control myths, and Not Gay Jared will be operating.
He's got all these inserts to bring up.
This is important right now, because these are the big myths that the left, that they're pushing, right, with a Democratic sit-in.
Let's hit myth number one.
You hear this a lot.
That assault rifles are a popular choice for mass shootings.
People can hear me, right?
Okay, good.
So that's not true.
That's not even close to true.
We put assault rifles in quotes because it doesn't really mean anything.
handguns are actually responsible for at least 80% of murders, of gun-related homicides.
And here's something, too.
When we talk about this, we're taking the most generous stats we can give to the left because you can find stats that say well over 90% are handguns.
Most mass shootings are carried out with handguns.
People need to understand that.
This idea, you're talking single-digit numbers as far as percentage points of people who are using the scary rifles, like an AR-15 that wasn't even used in Orlando.
It's not true.
It is not a choice of mass shooters, generally speaking.
It is certainly not a constant in firearm-related homicide.
If anything, it's the opposite.
Myth completely untrue.
Let's go to number two.
Myth number two.
It's easier to get a gun than a driver's license.
This one never made sense to me.
Every liberal site seems to have their top, like, 55 things that are easier to get than a gun.
Right.
And it's just, every single one of them is like a puppy.
Yeah.
Yeah, because you got some...
Squash.
Yeah, squash.
Vegetable.
Vegetables.
Organic fruit.
Yeah.
I think it is with an EBT card.
Here's what's so funny.
Anyone out there ever bought a firearm?
You need a driver's license.
Or a state-comparable ID. Anyone who's not had a driver's license, generally speaking, a state-comparable ID is harder to get than a driver's license.
You typically just use a driver's license because it's the easiest.
A lot of people in New York, they'll just do kind of the driver's license, do the test, because it's the easiest still thing to get.
You don't really want to go down to Secretary of State and do a state-issued IDs.
So, that's important.
Now, a driver's license is not a fundamental right.
Owning a firearm is.
Here are a couple of things.
Yes, cars are much more dangerous than guns.
Period.
Car fatalities far outpace gun fatalities.
It's not even close.
Now, I understand the argument that you'll make.
Well, a gun only has one purpose, whereas cars have other purposes.
Here's the thing.
A gun can be used entirely passively, putting no one at risk.
If I have a gun on my hip, it is of danger to no one.
Anytime you use your car, your vehicle...
Its purpose is to transport you from point A to point B. You are putting other people at risk.
Carrying a gun does not inherently put other people at risk.
You behind a wheel, no matter how good of a driver you are, puts that person at more risk than having even a loaded weapon on your hip.
That's important to note.
And that's why it's harder to get a driver's license, which you need to get your gun or state comparable ID, than a gun in some ways, in the sense that you have to jump through some hoops to get a driver's license to show that you can drive the car.
On the flip side, when you get a driver's license, have you had a criminal background check?
No.
Can you get a driver's license if you're a felon?
Yes.
What if you're a domestic abuser?
Yes.
What if you have mental illness?
Yes.
You can still get a driver's license.
Not so with a firearm.
You ever had to do a background check to get a driver's license?
Not usually, no.
No.
Never.
So...
Cars are much more dangerous than guns.
You also have to be 18 to get a firearm in most states, from what I understand.
Yep.
Is it all states?
Everyone that I've encountered.
Okay, 18, 16 to get a driver's license.
Yeah, or 15 and a half to get your permit.
Right.
Maybe 14, sometimes.
Long story short, cars are much more dangerous than guns, and it is much easier to get a driver's license than buy a firearm.
But then again, if you've ever actually bought a firearm, you don't buy the BS because you know that.
Let's go to myth number three.
Gun-free zones prevent mass shootings.
No.
This one is really simple.
We don't need to spend a lot of time on it.
92% of mass shootings since 2009 occurred in gun-free zones.
Listen.
It doesn't take an incredible logical leap to understand this.
If you're a shooter, you're going to find the easiest target.
The easiest target is an area where you're guaranteed there are no firearms.
Myth number four.
Myth number four.
Concealed carry holders don't stop violent crime.
This is one, and Michael Woods Jr.
likes to use this one a lot.
Well, there are tons of examples, okay, of concealed carry holders stopping crime.
Naki Jarrett has brought these up.
We have Uber drivers, a guy in Cincinnati, a customer carrying a concealed weapon shoots suspected bank robber, a firefighter off-duty, cops off-duty.
There are so many anecdotal stories, okay?
So that's obviously untrue.
Here's something that people don't tell you.
This is a really important statistic and something that's funny about gun control proponents.
Guns, according to the CDC, by the way, Obama said the CDC wasn't allowed to conduct any research.
They did.
Here's what they found.
Firearms on a yearly basis.
Now, it's hard to measure because most incidents involving a firearm defensively, it's never fired.
So sometimes they're not reported properly.
That's why there's such a wide swath between 500,000 to over 3 million.
Do we have this on the...
We don't.
We don't?
Okay.
I'll bring this up on the screen afterwards.
Between 500,000 to over 3 million, we'll have the link in the description, per year incidents of firearms used defensively.
Okay?
That means that at the absolute lowest figure, there are at least as many incidents of defensive uses of firearms as there are bad guys using them against good people.
And if you use the highest figure, it's many times more the amount of times a gun is used defensively from the good guy.
And this is from the CDC. These are undeniable statistics that people don't want to tell you.
So not only anecdotally do you hear about these things all the time, but yes, guns are used defensively in millions of cases.
And here's another chart, too.
Concealed carry.
Now, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, but if you look at concealed carry, as it has gone up, violent crime has steadily gone down.
Does it mean that that's because of concealed carry?
No.
But it does prove, verifiably, that an increase in concealed carry certainly does not result in increased crime.
The trend would be decreased crime.
It's not necessarily because of concealed carry, but certainly...
There are more guns now in the population than ever.
Than ever.
And violent crime is lower and gun crime is lower.
Yeah.
Okay, last miss.
Number five.
That gun control laws actually work.
I'll toss this to you.
You can email me through louderwithcrowder.com or tweet me at us, Crowder.
Can anyone name me any law or proposed laws on the table that would stop mass shootings?
That would have stopped this last one.
Anything.
A no-fly list?
No.
Guy wasn't on a no-fly list.
Background?
Loophole?
There was no loophole here.
Magazine?
I mean, come on, listen, anyone can get a magazine.
I'm trying to not go into the fact that obviously criminals will still commit crime, therefore they'll buy guns illegally.
That's the most obvious one.
But let's assume we've been going through legal avenues right now.
Is there any proposed law right here that would have stopped these?
Let me give you some stats right here.
We have this up from Conservative Review.
Fantastic.
Gun murders are under decline since the 90s.
Anyway, we could give you stats until we're blue in the face.
If anyone can name me some gun control legislation that would have stopped this, I'm eager to hear it.
Here's the thing.
There are proposed gun control legislation, pieces of gun control legislation out there.
That have been ignored by the left.
Project Exile.
We've talked about that.
This basically equates to really harsh penalties for felons carrying firearms or carrying a firearm that's not legal.
Very serious sentences.
We have it up at lottowithcredit.com.
I don't have the numbers right in my head.
I want to say it was five years and then your second offense was like 20 years.
Very, very serious crime.
And what did it do?
It worked.
It was in Virginia.
They did this.
They basically did some test studies.
And they found that this reduced illegal firearms, them being carried by a remarkable percentage.
The reason leftists oppose it is they said that it disproportionately targeted minorities.
So Project Exile did work.
It's something that works without infringing on any law-abiding citizen's right.
What's required is to find the illegal gun so a crime is being committed, as opposed to the no-fly list where you could not have even been accused of a crime, have never been involved with terrorism, and simply have your Second Amendment rights stripped of you.
Project Exile requires proof that you are currently committing a crime because that gun is illegal.
So it infringes on your rights, none whatsoever.
Only criminals.
And it worked.
And the left opposed it.
But I want to know what kind of gun control laws proposed.
Do we have an outro here?
We do.
Oh, okay.
Want to roll that?
Tweet me at S. Crowder.
What gun control laws would have stopped this?
I still want to know.
Crowder's Crowder.
This has been a top five list.
I think we're going to a break now.
You're going to a break.
We have like a couple seconds.
We do have a couple seconds.
All right.
Bye.
We'll see you.
Skag 3 coming up after this.
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But we'll go with Matt today.
Matt, thank you for staying with us.
Thank you much.
We went to our evil corporate overlords.
I'm getting loose in the shoulders here.
So, okay, historically you said that you were, I guess, sort of free speech, but more fiscally liberal.
I remember watching a video where, I'm not going to lie, I was a little disappointed because you said, I think that the Democratic Party does more for the poor.
Something along those lines.
I want to know, has that changed?
Or has it stayed the same and why?
We'll be right back.
All right.
We are back and we have a gamer here.
Well, he's dancing with us at the breaks.
Dancing with us.
I couldn't see him.
I was so involved in my own dance.
So, really quickly, I've followed his stuff on YouTube.
Very intelligent guy.
We agree on a lot of stuff.
We disagree on some stuff, but he seems reasonable.
He's pretty funny, too.
YouTube.com slash C slash Skag3.
He's rebranding, so that'll be easier.
But I do recommend checking out his channel, and I'm trying to keep track of the right name.
So we'll go with Matt right now.
Matt, thanks for being with us.
Sounds awesome.
Pleasure to be here.
Sorry about my dancing skills.
I haven't done it since high school prom, I think.
Maybe the last time.
Well, we shouldn't have done it since high school prom, but we do it anyway, so I wouldn't feel guilty about it.
Okay, so Mr.
Skag.
Some people call you Skaganator, I think.
That's a thing.
Yeah, sure.
Sure.
It's a lot of variations.
You started out doing gaming stuff, and now you've come out and you've obviously been sort of in support of this freedom of speech movement, anti-social justice left.
I don't want to miscategorize you.
I know you've, from what I understand, you've represented yourself as pro-free speech, but sort of fiscally maybe more liberal.
Am I getting that right?
That's where I've been historically.
I've been a lifelong Democratic voter, which I guess isn't terribly long.
That only goes back to 08.
But yeah.
08 is long enough.
08 is long enough, man.
Your damage is done.
You might be pleased to know that changed this time around.
The times, they are changing.
But yeah, I used to be in gaming.
The games I played, Call of Duty and stuff, that got a little bit stale.
The games got I started dabbling in social commentary stuff.
What really got me going last year, the big standout incident that I made a name for myself on was the Nicole Arbor incident where she committed the high crime of making fun of the overweight people.
We call them walruses.
This is the term they prefer.
It's hard to keep track of the words.
Yes, but that's exactly it.
Lots of people use that terminology, and yet for some reason this woman is crucified.
Right.
And so, you know, she has her moments.
She's not my favorite comedian by any stretch.
Oh, she's a social justice leftist herself, but I still had to defend her on that issue.
Yeah.
And that's when it really, all this stuff kind of really started standing out to me because there was this big movement to, you know, false flag her off YouTube, get her, I don't know, put her to the death penalty, whatever.
There was this whole pitchfork nation against her.
And that's what really got me...
Those were fat people.
Those were just their standard forks.
You misinterpreted it.
I'm sorry.
You knew what you signed up for when you came on here.
Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
But that's been...
If I could pinpoint any point where I started to...
My eyebrows started to raise with my former political friends, it's moments like that where it's like, okay, we can have...
Disputes about what's tasteful and what you want to watch for entertainment or you don't, but I'm not going to sit here and start thought policing you.
I'm not going to sit here and tell you what you can and can't watch or what can or can't be posted on the internet.
Right.
Yeah, well, that's a good point, and it's a cultural censorship, too, even if it doesn't happen officially, right?
They try and downvote it and downflag it so people like Nicole Arbor, whoever it is, We're not just talking about the First Amendment, right?
We're talking about people actively trying to culturally just eliminate voices.
And I always get enjoyment out of people who say, Well, we're not talking about the government censoring you.
This isn't a First Amendment issue.
Well, yeah, but the First Amendment is an articulation of our values.
Right.
It is the foundation for how we've built our society.
So, yeah, there's no feds coming to stop Nicole Arbor or stop me or stop you yet.
We'll see.
But it's a statement of our cultural values.
And do we want to reflect that value or don't we?
And I'm very fearful if we stop reflecting that value.
Yeah.
It's a good point.
Yeah, it is a reflection of not only our values in the Constitution, values then, but values that were meant to be timeless.
And we've talked about that, and we go obviously right now to the Second Amendment with that issue.
We can get into that.
So, okay, I want to go back, though.
You said this is the first time you're not a registered Democrat.
Does that mean you're registered independent?
Are you going...
I live in Montana.
It's open primary.
You can vote however you want.
I did vote Trump in the Montana primary June 7th, which is my first major Republican vote.
It's the first time.
And why was that?
What made you make that decision?
For now, I want to see the right heads explode.
And I want to watch the campaign.
It's less of a political endorsement, but who doesn't want to watch the Trump-Hillary debates?
And it was over by the time I voted.
Right.
But who doesn't want to watch the protests in Cleveland at the convention?
Who doesn't want to watch the Hillary-Trump debates?
Who doesn't want to watch that political theater?
So right now I'm voting entertainment.
Yeah.
He's honest about it.
He's honest about it.
But I will say this.
I don't think there is a scenario in which I can vote for Secretary Clinton.
I don't think it's going to happen.
So for me, it's going to be, do I want to vote with a middle finger to the social justice left and watch their heads explode, or do I just want to abstain?
Right.
And so that's kind of the decision.
I think Trump joins him in a lot of ways.
I mean, you're talking about a guy who wants to increase libel laws, a guy who is pro-using whatever bathroom you want and spoke out against people who disagree with it.
Like, he's not really a freedom of speech guy.
He pisses off the right people, but not necessarily for the right reasons.
Well, and he's all over the place.
It's hard to say, do you support Trump?
Why?
On what issue?
Well, I mean, he's been for this and against that and for this and against that.
It's hard to nail him down on what exactly he would want to do or what exactly he plans to do.
Right.
So I don't necessarily know what policy I'm voting for by voting for him, necessarily.
I just know that he's making the right people mad and I want to watch him be mad.
I understand that.
Yeah, I'm not a fan, but I've always had to defend him whenever leftists go, well, building a wall is racist.
No, listen, I don't like him because, like you said, he's inconsistent and I don't trust him.
But building a wall is not racist.
Calling Rosie O'Donnell fat is not sexist.
The reasons I have a problem with him are not the reasons the left hates him.
And isn't that frustrating?
I mean, to me, as someone who enjoys watching political theater, and I like watching the debates in the same way people like watching their, you know, whatever Netflix show or things like that, but to me, Trump seems like a candidate you should be able to hit hard and defeat when pressing him on issues.
If you nail him down on these inconsistencies in the debate, or if you're a reporter and you ask him the tough questions, he should be fairly easy to expose that way.
And what do we have?
We're talking about sexism.
We're talking about racism.
We're talking about these low-hanging fruit that maybe it sticks with some people, but for people who can see past that, I don't know that it does too much.
We'll have to go to a break.
We'll bring you back.
Matt, Skag Something Something, Ladder with Crudder.
We'll get it right after this.
And now for late night show prep with Seth Meyers.
Hello?
Hi, Seth.
This is Hillary Clinton.
I just wanted to make sure that you got those talking points we sent over.
Yep, all set.
And now back to your program.
Glad to be back.
Glad to be back.
Glad to have this gentleman on.
YouTube.com slash C slash Skag3.
But we'll go with Matt today.
Matt, thank you for staying with us.
Thank you much.
We went to our evil corporate overlords.
I'm getting loose in the shoulders here.
So, okay, historically you said that you were, I guess, sort of free speech, but more fiscally liberal.
I remember watching a video where, I'm not going to lie, I was a little disappointed because you said, I think that the Democratic Party does more for the poor, something along those lines.
I want to know, has that changed or has it stayed the same and why?
Well, you know, I will say that historically, and maybe wrongly or rightly, it seemed to me that the Democratic Party was speaking more to the issues of working people, whether you agree with that or not.
And they also spoke more to, you know, I would also like to be an advocate for responsible public investment.
I think there are good things that the government can achieve, and there are good things for the government to invest in.
And I think historically...
Democratic candidates have spoken to that.
Well, I shouldn't even say candidates, because what are we talking about here?
We're talking about Obama.
We're talking about eight years.
So, you know, I'm not a policy expert on these things, but that's the way I've leaned.
And to me, it's become, with reference to what you were just describing, in that particular video, it's like, yeah, you know, I've leaned this way.
But if you're going to put more foundational ideas as the cost to supporting those types of policies, I'm not with you.
If we don't agree on free speech, if we don't agree on due process, if we don't agree on a lot of constitutional principles, I don't care about debates about economics or investment or foreign policy if we betray those foundational values.
And to me, it seems like it's becoming a choice between those things.
I think you're right.
Two things there that you pointed out that I think are important.
Yeah, I think it has become a choice.
I think people need to understand.
Because, you know, I've been doing this for a long time on YouTube.
And, of course, every single atheist was a liberal who thought the Tea Party was racist.
And how dare you?
And now a lot of them have come around because they realize the only people who are really in their corner with freedom of speech are conservatives, Christian, atheist, agnostic or not.
There is no major contingency of the left today.
Who support free speech?
They may think so.
Like these Bernie people, they think so.
They come on our channel and they're so mad.
And the reason I ask you, and I think you answered my question, is because I have talked with Gadset about this, I think Sargon about this.
You know, economic authoritarianism is still authoritarianism.
And if you look at them in their verticals, you know, obviously constitutionalism, conservatism, whatever you want to call it, Has always, regardless of the name you give it, has always leaned in the direction of freedom, whereas socialism, democratic socialism, as though that changes it, big government, has always leaned toward control and security.
And so I've always thought it was...
I think a lot of people are kind of taking the step.
You are not to assume where you are, but I think I've seen some people and talked to them behind the scenes who fancy themselves fiscally liberal going, I just...
I don't know if I can reconcile this with my other beliefs, because freedom is freedom.
Yeah.
Well, there are too many sacred cows on the left, too.
And every time there's a debate, you and I might be a certain distance apart when it comes to what we think appropriate tax policy is or what we think appropriate public investment is.
Who knows?
But when I hear you describe what your philosophy is, I don't assume malice on your part.
And I think that's a huge problem right now.
Well, you disagree with me, so that means you're a scumbag.
That means you hate poor people.
That means you hate minorities.
That means you hate this.
That means you hate that.
Not gonna lie, at least three out of the four you just said are true.
Well, of the many things that people of your persuasion are persuading me on, maybe you'll get me there, too.
Yeah.
No, you see what?
The minorities are horrible.
No, I think...
Sorry, go ahead.
I was going to say, I'm bummed I missed out on the cultural appropriation, too.
If I had known beforehand, I would have got in on that.
Well, yeah, you came in on a later segment.
This week is Africa.
So when you go in, we have to change clothes because sometimes there's really serious guests on and it's a liability.
But, yeah, I don't think Ted Cruz is coming back.
So, okay, so I understand where you're lining up on that.
Let me ask you this.
Right now, obviously, a hot topic issue is the Second Amendment.
Yeah.
Guns.
Where are you on this?
Well, man, this is really frustrating, and I've spent a few videos, the last couple videos on my channel talking about this, because...
As someone who has been kind of on the left as a voter for the last few years, you hear the things that they say, and they talk about common sense regulation and all these things.
And to someone who's not necessarily as informed on the issue, like, oh yeah, it makes sense that people shouldn't have machine guns, right?
Right.
But this is an issue where the more I dig into it, the more it seems clear that there...
I hate when issues are this simple, but I really do believe it is people who are informed versus people who are uninformed.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I think you're right.
I was just talking about this.
It is an issue that requires an uninformed voting base who don't know what a semi-automatic is, who don't know what the no-fly list is, and who don't know that an assault weapon doesn't exist, and you can't get a machine gun without a background check.
It requires those people in order to be pushed through.
Yeah, and when you look into these quote-unquote common sense regulations, the less common sense they make.
Like, the common sense regulation right now is, hey, if you're on one of the two lists, you're not going to be able to get a weapon.
So we're going to deny you your Second Amendment, right?
We're also going to deny you due process, because that's common sense.
Yeah.
Right.
I think it was, what, Trey Gowdy at a House hearing this week, who basically was asking someone testifying...
I forget what his title was.
Well, you just outed yourself.
If he's talking about Trey Gowdy, there's no way he's even...
There's not even a shred of Democrat left in him, if his audience thought so.
What he said was...
Trey Gowdy!
You went to the right of Attila the Hun, my friend.
Go ahead.
What he said was really important, though.
What he asked her was, can you name another constitutional right that we would take away and then require you to petition the government to return?
And of course, that was a question that could not be answered.
Now, we might have some debate about is the Second Amendment.
You and I probably wouldn't have that debate, but some people might.
Right.
That's not the position that I want or agree with, but theirs is the position that is consistent with the facts and makes sense.
It's the only tenable position for the left to say, I want to ban guns because I don't think the Constitution was right.
I think the Founding Fathers are wrong.
And let's go through the amendment and get rid of it completely.
And that's what the Supreme Court justices did.
I talked about that.
Again, people see the stuff that's sort of outrageous.
But if you watch the show, it's pretty substantive.
We talked about that Heller v.
D.C. And the rulings against it are just as important as the ultimate total ruling for it, right?
Was it five...
Four to five, I believe.
Five to four.
They were saying, no, people don't have...
The argument against it wasn't magazine capacity.
It wasn't...
It was none of that.
It was, no, people don't have a fundamental right to own any firearms whatsoever.
When it comes down legally, that's the only argument they felt they could make.
Yeah.
And I have plenty of friends who have made that argument to me this last week because I've been talking about it a lot.
And I don't agree and I am nervous that people are so eager to surrender their right to self-defense to the state.
Right.
And I'd be curious.
The one thing that's so interesting to me is like...
I am a firearm owner, and I don't shoot them recreationally.
I don't hunt.
I rarely go target shooting because I just don't want to buy the ammo, that kind of thing.
But if someone comes in my home with malicious intent, yeah, they're going to stare down the barrel of that firearm, and rightfully so.
And a lot of the argument is, well, have you ever needed it?
Well, I've never needed the majority of the safety equipment in my life.
I've never been in a car crash that required a seatbelt.
I've never been in a burning building that required a fire extinguisher.
I've never needed these things, but I'm happy that they're there.
And I wouldn't want to surrender that protection to the state because if someone comes in here and I call the cops, I would rather not wait for the cops to get here as fast as they may be.
Black Lives Matter.
Let's make sure the cops are the only one with guns.
Only one.
Only one.
That was Sean King.
It's okay because an impression of a white guy sounded like a black guy.
That's one thing.
We've talked about that, and I've had Sargonah where we disagree, but I go, okay, I can understand that.
It is an entirely untenable position for someone like Sean King or DeRay to say cops are racist.
The judicial system is inherently biased and slanted toward white privilege.
The military-industrial complex is not to be trusted, and then believe in disarming everyone who's not a part of those institutions.
It's just not a tenable position.
But like you said, there are people who say, you know what, I trust the government, I trust their authority, ban all guns.
I have more respect for that.
Kind of like I have more respect for you just saying you're voting entertainment than trying to do the mental gymnastics for Trump.
I'm not pretending, yeah.
I won't pretend.
No, no, it's well worth it.
Okay, so let me ask you this.
Full disclosure, and I'm not going to try and run you through the ringer.
So you voted for Obama.
When the Tea Party came out and there was this protest and these conservatives, because it seemed like your awakening happened a little later, were you on the side of thinking they were racist, they were rednecks, they were dummies?
No, I wouldn't go that far.
But I often wonder, because that's when I was in school.
And when I was in college, it wasn't...
As crazy as it was now, I often wonder how far away was I from becoming a Trigglypuff or something?
Well, I don't know about two dump trucks.
I went to a college with, I think there were two people in the college Republicans, and they held a pizza party for their first meeting, so everyone would go, and there was like, you know, maybe 20, 30 people there for that, and then they didn't show up.
Nobody showed up the next week for the actual meeting.
But...
Sounds like college Republicans.
Yeah, but as far as the Tea Party question, what I probably saw was the caricature of them, the people holding the signs like, keep your damn government hands off my Medicare and that kind of stuff.
And so I don't think there was ever a time where I treated them seriously necessarily, but I don't remember a time in my life where I thought, yeah, their motivations are bigotry, or their motivations are hatred for people on account of stupid issues X, Y, or Z. Well, that's important.
The reason I ask it, the reason it's important is because it's a chicken or the egg thing where I'm wondering, okay, are people like you, were you there and you learned better, or were you people who inherently were thinking critically and willing to hear the other side?
Because I've got to have hope that someone like Janine Garofalo at some point can become like a Skag 3, but I don't think so.
So that's why I asked the question to everyone.
No, I'll tell you how my evolution has happened and is happening and possibly will evolve further.
And that is because of the assault on the most important value and the most important issue.
When I see freedom of speech being eroded, either as a legal issue or as a cultural issue, I start listening to people on the other side.
And I think like, no, there's people who have to be thinking in the same way I am that are worried about this.
So I find people like you.
I find people like Milo.
And I start listening to them.
And then you talk about All the other issues you care about, X, Y, and Z. And then that'll spark interest in my mind as well.
And I'll start thinking, well, I've been on the other side of this historically, but I haven't considered that position.
Oh, thank you.
I appreciate that.
You know, we do try.
We can't get liberals to come on the show.
What is it, this week?
D.L. Hughley?
Ducked?
Michael Wood Jr.?
It's a real problem.
So I'm glad that there are people out there like you who may disagree on some points because we cannot get people to come on here vocally and disagree.
They book, and then they leave.
They never show up.
Well, the problem is my list of disagreements are shrinking.
So people keep asking me, like, how are you a liberal?
And I'm like, oh, well, I used to have, like, ten reasons.
Now there's, like, half a reason, maybe.
Yeah.
We'll see.
We'll see.
I don't know.
Talk to me.
Well, talk to me once Hillary wins and the people are knocking at my door to take care of my firearms.
Oh, you just opened a can of worms.
Yeah.
You think she's winning?
You think it's President Hillary Clinton?
I actually don't.
If I were a betting man, which I sometimes am, but if I could go to Vegas and put money on it right now, I would put the money on Trump even at even odds.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't...
I think it's going to happen.
Well, except he's just been in a death spiral recently.
Yeah, but it's still early, and at the end of the day, this is a hate contest.
That's why this is so fun.
Who do you hate?
I mean, we always talk about picking the least of two evils, but this is so much...
So far beyond that.
It's the most hated candidates of all time.
That's so fun.
I'm excited.
I know, but Republicans saw the number two most hated politician ever, and they ran the number one most hated candidate ever.
I don't see how you do the math, but...
It will be one hell of a show.
I will give you that.
Okay, Matt, where's the best place for people to find you before we leave you?
Yes, it's my YouTube channel.
That is youtube.com slash C slash Skag3.
And is there two G's in Skag or one?
Yeah, there's two G's.
And then it's on Twitter as well.
It's at S-K-A-G-G underscore, your favorite underscore, three.
Yes, my favorite underscore.
And his email address is at Hotmail.
And he does the AOL Messenger.
Oh!
Oh, we're going out to Sonic.
You've got to be.
We were with Sonic, people.
So, okay.
Well, Matt, thank you so much, but we'll have to have you back and just find something you hate me on and disagree with, and then we can duke it out and have, like, a Bill O'Reilly freakout moment.
Sounds awesome.
Slash C slash Skag 2Gs3, Lotto with Crowder.
Stay tuned for more hate speech?
Probably, probably hate speech.
Hate speech.
Outdoor hunting and defense accessories.
How can I help you?
Hi, this is Neil Steinberg of the Chicago Sun-Times, and I was hoping to visit your establishment and purchase a semi-automatic assault rifle.
Neil, piece of shit, Steinberg!
That's what we call you!
I know who you are, I've heard all about you!
Uh...
That's not my middle name.
It is around here.
I don't think that's a fair accusation at all.
You're the guy who tried to buy an AR-15 when you were an alcoholic and you beat your wife.
Yeah, you're a piece of shit Steinberg.
I would appreciate it if you don't.
Matter of fact, I got your picture here on the wall next to a piece of actual human shit for reference just in case anybody forgot.
That just seems like overkill.
It's a big one.
It's a big old piece of shit.
We'll be right back.
Glad to be back with you.
I just broke the law.
Just kidding.
Just kidding.
I have one, too.
No, these aren't adult beverages.
We would never do that.
They're filled with water.
Root beer.
They're props.
We're about to shoot another video that involves root beer.
Glad to be with you.
Thanks so much to Ryan Skagg.
Is there an underscore?
Just Skagg?
Underscore three.
Skagg underscore three.
At Skagg underscore three.
We're wrapping up this show for you tonight.
Hey, listen.
Let me tell you something.
Michael Woods Jr.
is a...
Listen, I try to be nice with a guy.
He's a coward.
He obviously has no intent.
Intention of debating.
Piers Morgan has said that he called me a little twerp and said he will debate me anytime.
That's harsh.
So, Piers Morgan, your challenge, gratefully accepted.
And as far as terms, name him.
My show.
I don't know if he still has a show.
My show.
Your show.
We can do it on here with breaks, live on radio.
We can do it, and we've done this with Harrison Greenbaum or a few people who demanded this.
We can pre-tape it.
No breaks.
No time limits.
No talking points.
Period.
Whatever you want to do.
So long as it doesn't end up costing you money and making you money with a GoFundMe or some kind of extravagant fee.
We can do this thing for free.
We can do it over Skype.
We can do it any way you want it.
That's the way you need it.
That's the way.
Morgan needs it in a way that he probably doesn't want it, let's be honest.
So, yeah, there you go.
Pierce Morgan, he's put it out there.
Michael Woods Jr., put it out there.
D.L. Hughley.
Who do we have now?
D.L. Hughley.
Duck.
I can't tell if he's a Dodger or just a busy guy.
Or just an unreliable guy.
Yeah, a little unorganized.
Jill Sobiel from Bernie Sanders' campaign.
Yep.
Duck.
Michael Woods Jr., of course, Duck.
Gosh.
There's been a handful of them over the last year and a half.
There's been a lot.
It's really hard to do.
We had Phil Advise on a while back, the Phil Advise show.
We had Zach Ford.
Zach Ford?
It's been hard.
It's hard to get them on the show.
We try.
We really do.
So I'm just letting you know.
So there's record here.
I'm not changing the terms.
I'm not going to set up a Patreon for free anywhere.
Pierce Morgan.
Okay?
And we'll try and keep it polite.
You know, I didn't call you a twerp.
Hey, by the way, before we go, I have this up here for those listening terrestrially.
YouTube, I love this, YouTube Spotlight.
This is the official YouTube channel.
Put up a video, hashtag proud to be, come together to celebrate identity.
And it was all about gender identity.
So, of course, YouTube puts this on the front of their homepage and some weird stuff like Tim Burton Bizarre Train.
It gets really weird.
The dark corner of the internet is getting closer.
Yeah.
It's invading territory.
I didn't make a plan on it.
Yes.
Invading.
Exactly.
At all.
It's like the Babadook.
Yeah, it's like when that weird guy comes to your house.
It's like a Tim Burton shadow over your bed with a nightlight.
It's just going to be you.
And you're like, you bring your weird friend over.
I'm like, he's in my house now.
He raped me.
I gotta shoot him.
That's YouTube.
After the rape.
And this stuff.
So this we have.
Here's what's so funny, though.
Hold on, bring that back up, not gay, Jared.
This would never have happened two years ago.
Almost 8 million views, 224,000 dislikes, 270,000 likes.
Two years ago, no one would have had the nerve to downvote an LGBTQ. And that's not the only one.
That's one of several this week that we've spotted.
Yes.
Same trend.
I've talked about this.
Go back to this show a year and a half ago where I said the pendulum has to swing the other way.
Well, guess what?
It's happening.
And like I've said, the whole LGBTQAIP have shortchanged the gay and the lesbians.
Because now they've tacked on to the movement and people are rejecting it as a whole.
They're just tired of all of it.
These people are unironically claiming to be fluid, pansexual, genderqueers.
And they're not joking.
And YouTube is featuring this.
The problem is they are – I spoke with someone at YouTube who never knew anyone.
Didn't know anyone who owned a firearm ever in her life.
And couldn't imagine a reason someone would.
Like that guy at Sky News.
California, right?
Yeah.
Why would you ever need a firearm?
In your studio.
I'm going to go have relations in my...
That's going to be a gif.
Get to it rolling.
Anyway, so there's a major shift here, and that's important.
That's good to know.
So whether you like Trump or don't like Donald Trump, I know it's been a civil war in the Republican Party.
The media is awful.
It's easy to get depressed.
Here's your silver lining.
Younger millennials are starting to reject the cultural Marxism.
There is a winning argument there.
Here's one thing that's important.
There's one sort of through line here.
Like with the Sky News guy, why did I stay on the automatic weapons?
Because I don't think it's a coincidence.
I don't think it's an error that every single media outlet I watch repeats automatic weapons and then uses it to bring on guests who support legislation with semi-automatic weapons.
I don't think it's an accident.
At a certain point, It can't just be ignorance because they have to have someone, Jared will pass me a fact sheet if I'm wrong, go, oh, you know what, you were wrong about that and we correct it.
I can't imagine people at CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, Sky News, BBC don't know that.
Just like with the Islam thing, with the talk Islam thing, it seems like I'm being harsh when they say, oh, no, no, Muhammad was peaceful to all the innocent.
There are no innocent non-Muslims.
You need to define those terms first.
So if it seems like, and this is important for everyone out there listening, because I know I'm not a super skilled debater.
I don't consider myself to be even like a Ben Shapiro or a Michael Medved or a Christopher Hitchens.
I really don't.
And I appreciate the compliments from people.
Here's the deal.
Don't go down the rabbit trail.
The Sky News thing, we talked about it.
We went from automatic weapons to assault rifles, which was undefined, to why do you need a gun, sir, to why don't you support the no-fly list, to hope you have a safety latch on your firearm.
What the hell is a safety latch?
I didn't have one.
By the way, that's one thing I will lie about.
Jerry will tell you all the time.
I always lie about my firearms, just so you know.
Why?
Nobody out there will ever actually know how many I have, what I carry, or where I carry it.
There's a 9 out of 10 chance if I say...
But it is up your butt.
Well, there's a good chance.
There's a 9 out of 10 chance if I say, hey, I've got a firearm on my hip, it's actually somewhere else.
If I say it's a 9, it's probably a 38.
You never know.
So, full disclosure on that one, the point remains the same.
Do not let them get you off on that rabbit trail.
If you know...
Because then you're arguing at a point where you've given them an advantage, they're lying, and they're still going to pivot, and they're going to mislead you anyway.
Stay on the point.
No, no, no.
Before we move on, we are not talking about automatic weapons.
No, no, no.
Before we move on, I need to point out that there are no innocent non-Muslims.
This is what you're saying.
And it's not for them, because they want to continue the lie.
It's for the people listening to you.
You'd be amazed how many people don't know this.
The emails we get from people going, I didn't know the difference between an automatic or a semi.
I didn't know this about Islam.
Do not feel that you have to go in on their terms if you take nothing else away.
And we have to go.
I'll see you next week.
Look forward to your emails.
Hope we can help.
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