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July 24, 2015 - Louder with Crowder
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DL Hughley Debates Steven Crowder | Louder With Crowder
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What does that have to do with me?
Robert Byrd, who used the N-word in 2001 several times.
If a plane went down with Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Robert Byrd would have been your president.
He practically had KKK Dental and a company f***ing car.
He was as racist as it came.
What does that have to do with me?
There is no disputing that.
And no one circumstance can cover everybody.
Just like I can only speak for me.
I can't speak for a race of people that has flavor and flavor Barack Obama.
And so anything...
I can't...
It's rare that I get a lot of guests who I actually grew up watching as a kid.
So right off the bat, he had a sitcom that I watched.
Loved it as a child up there in Canada.
We didn't get a lot of entertainment.
He has a nationally syndicated show.
New program, I think, on television, Heartbreakers.
I want to make sure I get this right.
Comedy tour across the country.
D.L. Hughley, thanks so much for being on the show, man.
How you doing, Mr.
Crowder?
You alright?
I am doing okay.
Now, I'm honestly very appreciative that you've come on this show because we probably wouldn't agree on a whole lot.
I don't care to disagree with people.
I guess, ultimately, it makes for interesting conversations.
It does, but I will say, you know, it seems like we're in an era where that's not really allowed, and you don't see a lot of people going on sort of, I guess, competing programs.
Now, I do want to just sort of lay the stage here really quickly.
What caught my eye, and I felt sympathetic because I saw you face the wrath of the Twitter social justice warriors.
Well, you know what's funny about facing wrath?
I grew up on 130th and a half a lot, so if you mean tweet, it means absolutely nothing to me.
It's hilarious that people think Just because they have a keyboard and 140 characters, that can alter my opinion.
I mean, I'm sure generally the public is altered by that, but I didn't necessarily feel...
I guess if their attempt was to make me feel intimidated or to make me feel any level of backlash, I can't say that I didn't.
Well, okay.
Well, before we get into that, because I want to get into what exactly people have been doing with you or if they have been trying to intimidate you.
So this all was spawned from some comments you made about Caitlyn Jenner.
Right.
Right.
I was in New York.
I was, you know, at a gig.
So we're doing some promotions.
So, you know, I have a place in New York.
So I'm walking down the street.
TMZ, as they often do.
I mean, I've talked to them in the meantime.
Asked me my opinion of Caitlyn Jenner, and I went in the ESPY. And I said that, you know, Arthur Az, you know, was a civil rights, a part of civil rights.
Arthur Az played a segregated sport in a segregated state.
And he got AIDS, and basically it was a space of AIDS. And before that time, AIDS was, you know, people thought it was a gay plague, and they thought it was God's wrath.
And he gave it such a human face that it started to change opinion.
And he really died in service of people.
Kayla Jenner put on the dress.
I mean, so...
Don't forget the Botox.
Don't forget the Botox.
Right, and then they asked me if I think she's attractive, and of course, I do not.
I don't think she looks like Mrs.
Dalton and every teacher I've ever had.
I mean, listen, I'm not...
And I think that, you know, one person can't be, you know, the carry the water for an entire...
Well, Bruce Jenner didn't even get a sex change.
He's still got the twigs and berries.
Right.
It's amazing that you get your statue while you still got a dick.
That's what's amazing.
That's hilarious to me.
So I think that To me, when something like that happens, you know, I've always been able, I've always kind of given my opinion, and I think that it is a shame to me that whether I've agreed with people or not, like when Don Hyman said what he said, I threw the same kind of rap for defending his right to say it.
To me, right is right, wrong is wrong, and if people can't, ultimately, you know, I'm going to exercise my right to say what I want, and I refuse to be Right.
Well, on that note, I want to ask you something, because what I noticed, and I want to know if you noticed this, you know, right away the accusations came out.
You're a transphobe.
You know, you're an anti-transgender bigot.
Did you experience that?
And do you see that as a way for people who might disagree with you on a point to just try and silence the dialogue before you can even make your point?
Just, oh, you're a transphobe.
It's kind of a pedestrian way to do that.
COVID means I fear.
I don't know what I would have to fear from a transgender person or anybody else.
I remember when I defended John Ivers, they said that I hated black women, which is ridiculous.
I've been married for more than 30 years.
So I think that people, they choose the simplest narrative, and the narrative is if you have an opposition to somebody, you make a joke about somebody that you must hate it or fear it.
And neither one of those are true in this particular case.
Right.
Well, so you face that.
And I'll tell you what, does it give you maybe pause?
Because I will say this, you know, glad you're coming on the program, but you have thrown those insinuations toward black conservatives or conservatives in general that they're inherently prejudiced.
I just think that I don't necessarily, black or white, the conservative viewpoint is in mind.
And I think that what tends to happen, most conservatives, black conservatives, tend to be people that black people don't like in general.
And, you know, so I mean, so it's just, to me, I'm going to tell you what it is I think.
And I think that there is, I can't even think of anybody that by and large would be respected in both communities.
Right.
But my question is, you know, as someone who has had a lot of, you know, black conservatives on this program, and obviously, listen, I lean to the right.
I was raised in socialist Canada.
I mean, I know you've been to Montreal.
I think I actually watched your set at the Just for Laughs as a young boy.
So I don't come from this sort of, you know, Robert Byrd Backwoods KKK American background.
But you have made the, I mean, you know, you did say that Republicans sort of looked like Nazi Germany or you wouldn't see Black Lives Matter t-shirts at GOP convention.
I get that you're a comedian, but you have leveled that criticism towards conservatives sometimes in a generality.
Do you feel like...
And I think there's no difference in Fox levels there because there are some...
People level their criticism toward liberals.
I don't think that's any different.
I think that it's ultimately where some total of our lives experience is.
When you hear black conservatives say, like what Ben Carson said, that Obamacare is worse than slavery, what do you think black people are going to think about that?
Let me be specific.
What do you think I, as a black person, I don't want to think about that?
Yeah, but what do you think all conservatives, including black or white, think when you say that Republicans don't care about black people?
Well, I'll tell you what.
The proof is...
I don't know that I've ever said that, but the proof is in the pudding.
Here's what I find particularly confounding.
I think that you'll find a number of Tea Party conservatives...
Who are very angry and are concerned about...
Who are the only ones, by the way, the only ones who defended you in the Jenner scandal.
I do want to note that.
They defended your free speech.
Well, ultimately, I think that UC was right.
I think that UC was right.
You actually were the only people that defended Bill Moore when he had his depth up.
I think that there is a difference, and that was a principled argument.
One I've made on the other end myself, so I think turnabout is fair play.
I've made arguments.
For people that have the right to express themselves, I don't think that's an inconsistent argument.
What I will say in terms of the point I was making earlier is you will have a situation where people are angry that the government is overstepping its boundaries and they're worried about jack-booted thugs and oppressing people's rights.
But when they see what's happening to black people all across the country, they're silent.
And that, to me, is a level of inconsistency that, you know...
Yeah, I've not seen that, though.
I've not seen that.
And I'm just saying, you know, in the spirit of respectful disagreement, I've not seen that.
I've never heard any Republicans or conservatives say that they believe that should be policy.
I will say I've seen deafening silence from black liberals, even such as yourself, on, you know, the violence in Chicago or the kind of atmosphere that Barack Obama's created.
Okay, but let's not complain about the issue.
The violence in Chicago is horrible, and the violence in Chicago is dealt with it.
A black person who kills a black person is going to jail.
It's going to jail, and they should go to jail.
So as a white person.
Black people killing black people, and when people make that argument to me, Black people kill black people 90% of the time.
White people kill white people around 86% of the time.
Latin kill at about the same ratio.
So it is not an anomaly that's specific.
It's just that people kill the people they're close to.
No, but what is an anomaly is the number at which black people kill white people compared to the other side.
And people have said it in retort to you accusing them of being racist.
My point is...
You know that's absolutely not true.
You know, more black people have been killed by white people than ever have been killed by black people.
And you know white people are arrested, on average, much more likely to be arrested young white men than black people.
I mean, do you want to get into the race thing?
Yeah, I have it up on my website.
I'll bring it up on the screen right now.
My point is this.
I defended your right to free speech, right?
And I think you saw that people were trying to silence you, and I hate that.
But do you think that you have in the past, and I will say that I do, and then I'll give you the floor, have been guilty of doing that same thing of trying to silence conservatives, kind of like you're doing now, by insinuating racism?
There's absolutely, there's absolutely, listen, let me be clear.
Much like I said what I said about Bruce Jenner and was unwilling, I wasn't as concerned about what people, you coming into my defense is admirable.
But my position would have been my position even alone.
Even alone.
But let me explain to you why.
Let me explain to you why.
If I made a statement, then I'm prepared to stick by that statement regardless of what...
It does.
And let me explain to you why, DL. And this is a big difference between the left and the right, okay?
I've never seen the right.
And I know that there is no systematic movement from the right to try and remove someone like you from the airwaves for your opinion.
They try and do that with me on a regular basis.
Remember when you did this, right?
You tweeted out, I defended you.
Right away, we can pull these up.
People said, really?
You're going to side with a Confederate flag-waving racist?
And I sent you a column that I wrote condemning the Confederate flag.
Wait a minute.
You're complaining I never said that to you.
No, no, you didn't.
No, no, but here's the point.
The same people who were saying that to you are the same people who try and silence me to insinuate that I'm a racist.
They insinuate you're a transphobe and I'm a racist.
The same nebulous people...
No, I'm not.
But I'm saying when you say Republicans look like Nazi Germany, I'm arguing it's kind of similar.
Well, let me tell you something.
What is the Republican Party compiling?
The Republican Party...
What are you talking about?
The entire party?
The platform right now where we have women, we have black people, we have Latinos, Cubans?
You certainly do not have a representative.
Your demographics don't match any one of those.
It doesn't match black.
It doesn't match Latin.
It's primarily composed of white men.
Primarily.
What does that have to do with the ideas?
I don't understand.
See, again, you're playing identity politics, the same things people did with you.
I saw a picture of all white people, and they had a sign that looked very naturalistic.
It looked very motherland.
It looked very much like the Nazi Germany poster, and I made a comment on how similar that looked.
That still does not change when I look at the picture now.
I will still make the same comment.
That's fair.
I wasn't saying that you were not here.
I said that picture looked like it.
But that in combination with Black Lives, you won't see Black Lives Matter t-shirts at GOP conventions.
Okay.
Prove me wrong.
What about the fact...
How about because we don't want to focus on...
First off, I'm not a Republican.
I'm a conservative.
I would never wear a Black Lives Matter t-shirt because I believe that all lives matter.
And I believe that an issue...
No, no, let me finish.
Let me make a point here.
The issue has been conflated, for example, when you have cops who are now facing being offed in record numbers because you have an administration and pundits like you who irresponsibly create a more racially tense environment.
I was raised in a post-racial North America.
It's worse than ever because of people calling people Nazis.
Let's be clear.
Let's be clear.
I made a joke about a Black Lives Matter t-shirt.
I've never been one to advocate.
I think all lives do matter.
Let's be clear.
But when black kids are slain, here's what I, there was an incident that happened to a young guy, a kid named Tamir Rice in Cleveland.
He was playing with a toy gun.
He was a cop.
The cop that killed him was fired by an independent police department in Ohio.
Terrible case.
I agree with you 100%.
Terrible.
And for being a terrible police officer, they believed that no amount of training would make him a viable officer.
He was hired in Cleveland.
And the first thing many on the right did was rush to send that police officer.
A 12-year-old boy did.
The child should never be responsible.
It was a gun manufacturer.
It was the adults in the room.
And it was certainly ill training on the police department.
What I constantly see is constantly is the conservatives, even if they don't say- Yeah, I would disagree.
I would say it's a responsibility of the officer and he should be punished.
Okay.
And I've never once heard that position.
It's easy to defend somebody when they stand.
How could you have not heard that position?
Even my producer here, who's not a conservative, who's a sort of right-wing question, holds that position.
Okay, I'll accept that.
Let's say that's the truth and no Republicans cared about Tamir Rice.
I haven't seen that, but let's assume that.
If that's the case...
You haven't seen what?
I have not seen Republicans who have defended the cop in the Tamir Rice case.
But let me, real quick...
No, I have not.
I have not.
I have not.
And this is what I do.
Now, I certainly haven't.
So let me speak for myself here.
If we do that, can we both agree that maybe you need to apologize to someone like Darren Wilson for jumping to conclusions on the other side when he was assaulted?
Wait, wait, wait.
Let's be clear.
I believe that Darren Wilson only was proven guilty.
Darren Wilson has benefited from a couple of things.
I certainly believe that he's guilty of what he was charged with.
I would never apologize.
I certainly believe Darren Wilson murdered So the grand jury testimony, none of those things matter.
The reason we have federal laws in place is because juries are insidious.
It would be as if the Wayans brothers were the prosecutor, the police officer, and the grand jury.
No, that's not the case because including the prosecuting attorneys have to clear it.
And you're talking about a grand jury in that area with many people who are black.
So I don't accept the premise.
Wait, wait, wait.
Well, let me – hold on one second because I want to get back to where we agree.
My point is this.
It's just a genuine question.
Do you think – and this is just a – because I really do like you and I think you're funny and I'm not just saying that because I know conservatives are going to get mad to hear this.
We have a lot of independent libertarians who listen to the show.
Do you think, though, that some of the things that you have said that have been, listen, let's be honest, and sometimes it's a joke, so I have more leeway for comedians, insinuating that conservatives or Republicans are racist, generally that can be designed to silence dialogue just like the people who said you can't have an opinion because you're a transphobe.
Here's the thing.
I appreciate, honestly, that you're defensively, but really, honestly, if I, I would have, I say what I say and I understand I'm willing to take the consequences.
And I certainly, most certainly do not believe that it is the equivalent of the other side.
It is the equivalent of me telling a joke and giving an observation about Bruce Jenner or trans folk and them saying, oh, he's a bigot, oh, he's anti this.
It's the same thing on the other side.
I make jokes that, from my perspective, some people don't like them, and I understand it.
If I felt bad about them, I'd certainly apologize.
I don't feel bad about people's misunderstanding of what I said about Bruce Simmons.
And the example that you've given me right now, I don't feel bad about those issues.
I don't.
So I can understand that, to me, you're basically kind of doing what you're accusing other people of doing, is trying to make me feel a certain way about a joke.
No, I didn't.
I didn't.
I asked a question.
I asked a question and brought up some examples where you have leveled generalizations against conservatives.
When you reference the picture, you can't tell me that you can put those pictures side by side and it doesn't have a tinge of it.
I can't.
I can't.
Well, then I think you're being disingenuous.
Okay.
See, but see, that's the pivotal difference.
That's the pivotal difference, Mr.
Hughley.
You believe in ascribing motive.
I asked you a question and let your ideas stand.
You told me this is your motive, Stephen.
You're disingenuous.
And I don't believe in arguing that way.
And that's what people did to you.
Let's do this.
The third most powerful Republican in the country in 2002 gave a speech at an event sponsored by David Duke.
Right.
Sponsored by David Davis.
And he got to say, I wasn't aware that they were, you know, this was a separatist or a white power organization.
I was unaware of that.
And everybody, the third most powerful Republican in the country.
What does that have to do with me?
Robert Byrd, who used the N-word in 2001 several times, if a plane went down with Obama, Biden, Clinton, Pelosi, Robert Byrd would have been your president.
He practically had KKK Dental and a company f***ing car.
He was as racist as it came.
What does that have to do with me?
There is no disputing that.
And no one circumstance can cover everybody.
Just like I can only speak for me.
I can't speak for a race of people that has flavor and flavor Barack Obama.
And so anything...
I can't.
I can't.
And nor do I pretend to.
But I will give you my opinion.
And in my opinion, too many times, things like that specific incident, no one said anything about it.
That was 12 years ago.
That was 10 years ago.
And so your party...
No, no, no, no.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I believe you're smarter than that.
I believe you're smarter than taking a racist Republican from 2002 and using that against me in this debate.
My point is this.
No, no, no.
Here's what's hilarious to me.
Here's what's hilarious to me.
Tell me what's hilarious.
Young black men are always, they kind of lump all young black men.
And I'm not saying you specifically, but let's say from certainly a circle of friends that you know.
You're more likely to lump them in than I am.
You just lumped them all into one stat.
I have an intensity to say, well, they were all wearing hoodies.
Well, they were all, you know, they all listen to rap music.
Or they, you know, crime is high in black hoodies.
So I can understand.
You've heard those things, and let's not pretend you have them.
You've heard those kinds of arguments.
Well, they wear hoodies.
Again, you just lumped a whole bunch of arguments to an entire group of people.
I will say this.
And I think that a lot of people on the right, they are not uncomfortable making those leaps in logic based on...
And so, to me...
Like the one you just made.
The other way is true, too.
If a young black man can all be thugs and all white, then people can look at a number of white men and figure their race.
I've never heard anyone say that.
I've never heard anyone say that.
Just like I've never heard you say...
No, no, no, but...
Yeah, it's reality.
It's reality.
We didn't have a secret meeting behind black people's back.
People like me and Alfonso Rachel and Larry Elder, who we just had on, we didn't all have a meeting and say we hate black people, but I did just hear you level some criticism.
Larry Elder is a whole different thing.
Okay, that's fair.
Let me say this, and I do want to find some common ground to leave it with an olive branch because I appreciate you very much.
And listen, most guys don't have the balls to go on any show where people disagree, so I have immense amount of respect for that.
What I am saying is, let me sort of crystallize it this way, DL. I do not believe for a second that you hate transgender people.
I don't believe for a second that you are afraid of them.
And all I ask is for leftists like yourself to give that exact same benefit of the doubt to conservatives rather than ascribing motive.
Well, here's the thing.
Is that fair?
Well, let me give you my analysis of what you said, and certainly that would be fair if that were the fair of the day, and oftentimes it isn't.
If people were as fair as you and as open-minded as you, then we don't have these conversations, but we do.
And we have them because some of the assertions that I've made, you watch...
I could send you tapes of people on Fox News saying exactly these things.
I was on Fox News for four and a half years.
Exactly these things.
Four and a half years.
I've never heard it.
I've never heard anyone on Fox News go on and say, all black kids are thugs, black lives don't matter.
You did.
You did.
You said if they can say all black kids have hoodies, if all black kids are thugs.
I've never heard anyone say that.
As a matter of fact, the one I did is Geraldo Rivera, who is not very smart, and he's a liberal.
What I have said is they will love all things.
Well, crime is high in black areas or, you know, black men.
Horato himself, he got shot because he's wearing a hoodie.
You didn't.
Oh, yeah.
No, I just said he's a liberal.
He's a liberal.
And he's not very bright.
You just made the assertion that you've never heard somebody on fire.
No, I literally just said it, but you kept interrupting me.
People who are listening, people who are listening.
No, let me say this for a second, just so you don't look foolish.
I said it as you were speaking.
I said nobody except Geraldo, who's a liberal.
That's exactly what I said.
I've heard Hannity say these things.
I have heard.
I have heard.
And arguably, they're not news people.
They're giving off-air pieces.
So when you say, I've never heard that on that network, that is patently false, and you know it.
I didn't.
No, no, no, it's not.
It's not patently false.
See, again, you're ascribing motive.
And this is why these conversations happen, DL, and you refuse to see the logic in it.
You just made an assumption.
You just ascribed the motive.
I said the exact words, DL. My exact words were, I've never heard anyone say it except for Geraldo Rivera, who's not that bright and is a liberal.
That's exactly what I said.
Why are you going back to that?
I gave you that one.
Geraldo said the hoodie thing.
And he's a liberal.
He's a long way from a liberal now, and you know it.
No, no, I don't know it.
I don't know it.
He accused me of being too conservative on his program.
He's a nice guy.
I like him.
He's wrong.
You know what you're doing last.
I told you I heard something on Fox News.
You argue and maybe except for him and he's this or that.
No, no, that's not what you said.
What you said, that's not what you said.
You said you can hear these kinds of things all the time on Fox News.
These kinds of things were all young black people are thugs.
They were all wearing hoodies.
That's very different from Geraldo Rivera.
One liberal with a mustache said Trayvon was wearing a hoodie.
Those are very different.
Let me be clear.
I've heard John Hannity say it.
I've heard Bill O'Reilly say it.
I've heard guests that they were interviewing come on and say it.
So let's not pretend I haven't heard it.
No, but you've made the claim, and you've made the claim, for example, here's the thing.
If you go to a college debate club, Mr.
Hughley, if you say, I've heard plenty of Republicans say, all young black people are thugs, all young black people are wearing hoodies, you have to rationalize that statement.
And Geraldo Rivera doesn't count.
Let the fighters say this.
Okay.
Let's just speak in some soundbite platitude that Oprah would like.
How about backing up your assertions?
You made some very, very serious assertions.
I just very clearly backed up my assertion.
No, you didn't.
I told you exactly what I said.
I said specifically, you may be exception.
I don't care who it is.
That conversation was happening at a time when we were all talking about why black men are finding themselves dead in history.
And the other assertion, the conservative agenda has never made, certainly very recently, hasn't made an outreach to black people.
You want the kind of black people that agree with you.
You want the kind of black people that seem to want the same kind of black people as a Larry Elder type.
And let's be clear.
It would be advantageous to have black people speak for you that other black people respect.
Yeah.
So people like Larry Elder, Colin Powell, Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice, Ben Carson shouldn't be respected.
Colin Powell would...
See, again, you take one example.
One example.
I gave you five examples.
Okay, let's take away Colin Powell.
Ben Carson.
Colin Powell is not very proud of the conservative movie right now.
Ben Carson, Alan West, Alfonso Rachel, Larry Elder.
One of those men that could be welcome in any black neighborhood in the country.
Well, whose fault is that?
It's theirs!
It's not you calling Republicans Nazis or racists.
Wait, you can't blame me for somebody not liking their message.
No, I blame the arguing tactics you used here in ascribing motive for creating racial tension.
If you're marketing somebody, if you market something and the people don't buy it, you look at the people and the market.
If you market a product and it isn't moving off the shelf, is it your marketing?
Is it your message?
So you think that Lyndon Johnson, you think the New Deal, you think Detroit, they've marketed those things really effective to black people, you think the black community is better off?
Anybody we're talking about right now would know anything about that besides the history book.
I think every black person in Detroit would know exactly what's been marketed to them, and it's destroyed Detroit and the black community.
You can play these two things.
You mentioned Lyndon Johnson.
You mentioned Lyndon Johnson.
A great society.
To specifically say, getting back to what I said before, you mentioned a bunch of people who would not A, be welcome in a lot of black neighborhoods, or B, feel comfortable in it.
Comfortable in it.
Really?
You don't think Herman Cain?
You don't think Herman Cain?
I mean, Herman Cain, for crying out loud.
No!
You think Barack Obama has more cred than Herman Cain?
You don't think Herman Cain as a black American in Georgia?
Let's be clear.
You can't pick the black people that black people like.
You can't tell me what it is.
No, I can't pick black people that you like, because you speak on behalf of all black people.
There are plenty of black people who like Herman Cain.
There is a reason that you traditionally only get less than 10%.
You can't say that that's black people's fault.
That is in your message.
That's not in my message.
That is in the people you choose to carry your water.
What you're in essence saying is that they don't get it.
Marketing, if you buy dog food and the dogs don't eat, your product is s*** or your market is s***.
We're going to have to go through this with the oh crap button for the terrestrial broadcast.
Listen, I completely disagree.
I know you're a busy man.
I do hope that we can discuss this again.
My point is I defend your right to say it.
I don't believe you're a transphobe.
I hope people hear this.
And I do hope, I do say this genuinely, genuinely, beyond the sensationalism of radio, beyond us debating on air.
The only thing that you've done that I find alarming, I have no problem with you having a point of view, is ascribing a motive to your opposition.
Well, you know what?
In that regard, I'm like most people on the right.
I'm like a lot of people on the right.
Okay, but in this conversation, you're the only one who did it.
Fair?
When they constantly ascribe a motive.
Is that fair?
In this conversation, only you did it.
When they constantly ascribe a motive to this president or black people in general, here's the thing.
I'll say this, Landon.
I've never been.
I've been on Bill O'Reilly.
I'm not afraid to talk to anybody about anything.
I'll tell you this.
If it is you want the conservative movement to take root places, you as well as I know that you have to change either the marketing, the message, or the product.
That's a fair statement, right?
I completely agree.
The marketing, the packaging sucks.
Right.
So if it is that black people don't – by and large, you can poll people.
They do not have a very high approval.
Now, Colin Powell did, certainly.
And I think he could have done something, but he doesn't seem to be of that ilk now.
He doesn't seem to have that opinion now.
But when you tell me about Herman Cain, when you tell me about Larry Elder, when you tell me about – Okay, okay, but we have to go here in a second.
We're going to lose the time.
Is it fair to say, I'm talking about you and I, would it be fair to say that in this conversation between D.L. Hughley and Steven Crowder, you were the only one to ascribe a motive to me by saying I was disingenuous?
It is unfair to say that, it's fair to say this, because what I'm going to do is tell you from my perspective, you have put you Like, for instance, you brought up the picture of Nazi Germany.
In terms of Xbox, I've given you an example of stuff.
But I wouldn't say I ascribe a motive to you.
I've ascribed a motive to people that seem to be of your opinion.
Okay, but you didn't say I was being disingenuous.
You said I was disingenuous.
And I'm just saying I'm not.
Well, I'll tell you what.
In that particular, I thought you were.
I think that when you said to me, you said to me you never had heard that you worked at Fox and Ford News and you never heard it except Ford.
Well, the exception is the very thing that I heard.
So that to me seemed to be disingenuous if you were saying that it had never happened before.
That made me feel like I was lying or obfuscating or telling you something that wasn't true.
Yeah.
I stand by what I said because you made some pretty outlandish claims, and I was saying I've not heard those.
I still haven't heard those.
Okay, except for Geraldo, right?
That's not what you claimed.
Again, that's not what you claimed.
You claimed all Republicans.
Geraldo is a liberal, is a Democrat-carrying liberal, voted Obama twice.
I don't know if liberals.
But my point is, I said, again, you said they say all young black people are thugs.
No.
I didn't say that.
Yes, you did.
Yes, you did.
And this is the problem with the internet, is people can literally rewind this 20 minutes and hear exactly what you said.
Let's be clear.
Let's be clear.
I said if people make these assumptions, what they do is they go, hey, there's a high crime area.
Black people, they wear hoodies, and people are scared.
And that's the argument I was making.
So if it came out a little different than that, then that's going to be a lawyer's job.
Okay.
Well, I think we can both agree.
We don't need more lawyers in the middle of these conversations.
That's to me what people say when they hang up on the work.
I believe Sincerely is what I'm saying.
I believe I have an obligation to speak.
There's a reason why I can go on any show in the country.
There's a reason I can do it.
There's a reason you don't see a lot of...
Whether it's Bill Maher or Bill O'Reilly, it'll make me a difference.
And I'll be the exact same person.
There's a reason I can defend Don Iman, or there's a reason I can defend my right to say, because I'm exactly who I am.
That is absolutely true.
I believe in my heart, in my heart, the things I say are true.
I believe in my heart, it's specifically, it either is apathetic toward...
Here's what I'll say.
The reason that your movement is not registering with people that are like me is not because of me.
It's not because of me.
It's not because I'm willfully hateful.
It's not because I'm ignorant or don't understand.
It is because it does not seem to be welcoming to me.
Okay.
And the minute you pick to carry your water...
No, no, no, no.
See, that's not fair.
I've not picked any of those people to carry my water.
I was at Fox News for four and a half years, and I left.
Listen, we have to go.
We've missed breaks.
I've been horribly unprofessional.
DL, I really appreciate you coming on.
You're right.
You are consistent.
Even though I think you're wrong, I do appreciate that you're willing to go in any form.
I do appreciate you taking the time.
And yes, I still think you're wrong, but Mr.
Hughley, thank you so much.
We'll be back.
Louder with Crowder.
Stay tuned.
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