And joining me today, returning special guest, the Logos Legend, Dr. E. Michael Jones.
Dr. Jones is the founder and editor at Culture Wars magazine at CultureWars.com.
He's written over a dozen books, including Degenerate Moderns, Barren Metal, and of course the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit.
Today we're going to be discussing the latest with Iran, censorship, the Judeo-Christian term, Judeo privilege, and anti-Semitism.
Welcome, Dr. E. Michael Jones, thank you for joining me today.
Thank you, Adam.
Good to be here.
Good to have you again.
You were on about a couple months ago.
And you know, since then and even before then, I've just been you've been a really busy man.
I've been seeing you everywhere doing interviews and debates.
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The ordering principle has all always been there.
It's just that it's been drowned out by a lot of chaos.
Uh and now I think the chaos is uh becoming so apparent that uh the people are turning to uh this understanding of Logos as a way of seeing their way out of uh ruined lives and a lot of other things.
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So uh let's let's get started with uh the latest on Iran.
Uh a month ago when there was the the last uh tanker attacked, I saw you on press TV, you did a phenomenal job.
I loved it, uh pulling no pond punches.
What do you think of the latest uh over the weekend, the latest attack on the Japanese ship?
Yeah, uh the first time it happened, it was outside of the Gulf, and uh and uh I I I thought it was a false flag attack because I didn't think uh Iran had any motivation in doing what it did.
But uh this time this time I'm starting to wonder whether uh Iran may be responsible for this.
I think that it Iran has been driven into a corner.
Uh though the United States has been waging economic warfare on Iran for over over a year, for a long time, okay, but uh the new version came over a year ago when uh Donald Trump uh abrogated the uh nuclear agreement.
And since then, they've been stepping up the attack and they've driven Iran into a corner uh by by uh first of all uh denying them the ability to sell oil.
There was a year in which uh the uh Pompeo and his crowd at the State Department granted waivers and now they're uh they're denying waivers.
And Iran is in a position where uh it's it's uh life-threatening situation.
And the Supreme Leader has already said that if if if we, the Iranians can't sell oil uh out of the Persian Gulf, then no one will be allowed to sell it.
And so what I'm what I think we're seeing here is basically Iran showing what's going to happen if they continue.
So they're starting off now with uh I think their attacks on these tankers, not so much to sink them, not so much to kill anybody or anything like that, but just to show what they're capable of doing.
This these attacks also have the fundamental effect of driving up the price of oil.
Uh and that's going to happen whether they sink a ship or not.
It's just the insurance companies are just going to start charging more for these tankers to get out of the Gulf.
Uh, as the price goes up, uh the Trump administration is going to find itself now under pressure.
And I think that's the purpose of these attacks.
Because Donald Trump is now facing re-election.
And at this point, he has already said that if he doesn't get re-elected, that there will be the danger of recession.
Well, I think what might happen here is that if the oil stops flowing out of the Gulf, there will be a worldwide recession.
I think this may be the goal of Iranian policy.
In 1979, the Iranians collaborated with George Bush, who was the uh involved with a bunch of renegades from the CIA.
It's a long story, but Jimmy Carter tried to clean up the CIA.
Harry Truman, other presidents felt the CIA was completely out of control.
Jimmy Carter tried to clean it up.
He fired 2,000 uh CIA agents, and they found uh were mobilized by George W. Bush, who at this point I think realized that he could not get elected, but he was going to help Ronald Reagan get elected.
And in order to do that, they paid the Ayatollah to basically prolong the hostage crisis.
The lady who was involved in it said that they the students who did it uh were thinking it would last three days.
Well, it lasted over a year because of George uh H.W. Bush.
So I think that we we see or we're seeing a replay of the strategy of this the strategy, I think, on the part of the Iranians is to basically deny Donald Trump a second term.
They they have nothing to lose, their back is to the wall, uh, and they'll do this by driving up the price of oil to the point where it gets to a certain point, and then that will uh put the United States into a recession, and that will mean that Donald Trump will not be re-elected.
So that's my latest take on what's happening in the Gulf.
Interesting.
I just think I find it odd that uh Iran would attack a Japanese tanker when uh they had their representative meeting in Iran at the time.
I it you're I'm I'm open, look, I've already said two things now.
I said it was a false flag uh a month ago, and now I'm saying it's not a false flag.
Yeah.
We're operating it with an air of uncertainty.
There the New York Times refused to say that the Iranians attacked these ships yesterday.
Uh, usually that's in their interest to say that uh to side with Israel and in this type of thing.
But uh they can't they the idea of the Tonkin Gulf resolution is haunting everybody's mind.
That was the classic false flag to justify escalation in Vietnam.
It's possible that it could be a false flag, but I think now, after the second time around, I'm I'm having second thoughts about that.
I think this may be part of Iran's strategy of kind of gradual escalation here.
Well, there was the ship.
You know, they had the granny photo of the little boat coming up full of a boat full of people that they said was the Iranian guard that were removing the mine, the mine that was on the ship.
I I find that whole thing a little odd.
Well, what do you think about that aspect of it?
Yeah, I don't I can't explain that.
I don't know.
They the the shit the hole in the ship is above the water line.
So that means it was not a mine.
A mine would have gone off below the water line.
Uh so now they're saying that maybe it was a drone that attacked it.
Now the other now the other complicating factor is that uh there are plenty of independent players in this area too, the the Houthi and in uh in Yemen, for example.
And when you have uh warriors like the proxy warriors uh to some extent, you have people who can act independently uh on their own and and create a crisis that neither side intended.
This is the problem when you when you basically practice the type of brinkmanship, which you're doing by sending the fleet to uh well, America sending the fleet to the Persian Gulf.
You're just begging for some type of incident that will set off something and everything will get out of control.
I don't think that uh the intention, uh Donald Trump's intention was to create a start a war.
I think his intention was to drive Iran to the bargaining table.
But it's not working.
And the problem is when you when you lead with that, when you lead with military force like that, well, what's your second option?
You know, when you abandon diplomacy, what's your second option?
Are you gonna are you gonna actually go to war?
I don't think anybody wants that.
Uh but you're putting yourself in a situation where someone like John Bolton may very well start start a war, even if that wasn't your intention.
So that's why it's dangerous to do this.
But Trump has painted himself into a corner here.
That's the problem.
As soon when he revoked the JP, the nuclear agreement, he painted himself into a corner.
Because what are you going to do now?
You've just burned your bridges with the Iranians.
They will not talk to you now.
And you think you can intimidate them, and it's not going to work.
The Iranians are now determined they're going to, their back is to the wall.
We're going to take a final stand.
We don't have any choice in the matter.
You can't talk to the Americans.
They rip up agreements that you make with them after years of negotiation.
We only, this is the only option left.
And I think that's the situation that Trump has created.
Do you do you think we're going to see uh military action in Iran?
I I don't.
I don't think that's the intention of Donald Trump's moving those aircraft carriers there.
That's not the intention.
Now, the your intention does not have hegemony over reality.
There's only one person whose intentions have hegemy over reality, and that's God.
And these people are uh wars can be results of unintended consequences.
So I but I don't think that that's uh that's the intention.
I thought I the first of all, the the fleet did not go in to the Persian Gulf.
The fleet is in the Arabian Sea.
I think that's significant.
I think it's significant because first there is this huge uh unknown factor that we're dealing with right now, which is basically the status of the aircraft carrier at as part of current warfare technology.
Nobody knows what the status of the aircraft carrier is anymore.
Because it could be that missiles have simply trumped the aircraft carrier.
All of uh uh technology wars are a function of technology, and what you see is at a certain point a war is being waged.
Uh uh, and and the technology that you thought you had is now obsolete.
So you had the machine gun, which ruled the world uh for for decades, and then uh at World War I, you had two sides that had the machine gun and you had a stalemate.
So what had to develop after that was the tank.
The tank was the antidote to the machine gun.
Well, what in 2006, the Israelis uh tried to invade Lebanon with the tank, and they got 500 yards and then they were stopped because now the tank is obsolete.
It's not obsolete for pushing around insignificant third world peoples, okay?
But it is obsolete because there are missiles now that can take out tanks.
And so Israel has never gone back because the tank is obsolete.
Now, the same thing may be true of the aircraft carrier, and no one knows.
No one knows until that war breaks out and uh an aircraft carrier goes to the bottom of the Persian Gulf.
And I think the fact is that the United States is not going to send the carrier in there because it will be trapped if it's there.
I think everyone knows that the Iranians have the capacity of blocking the Gulf of Hormuz.
And if they block the Gulf of Hormuz, that aircraft carrier can't get out.
So these are all imponderables and unknowns that no one will know until an actual conflict breaks out.
Interesting.
And I wanted to mention you were uh you got caught up in the Vox adpocalypse censorship.
This is your tweet you put out uh last week.
You uh how many videos did you have removed in this place?
Twelve videos.
Yeah.
And your your thoughts on that?
You write here that it's intolerable.
I I agree.
Um you want to elaborate on that at all?
I've seen your other talks about uh anti-Semitism and censorship on what it leads to, and it's very insightful.
Yeah, well, we're we're at a turning point in history in many in many ways.
And Donald Trump was a turning point in history because uh he was elected in spite of the mainstream media.
They were all against him, and he was invited uh elected in spite of that, which was a severe blow to their control over the narrative.
And so for the past, ever since he's been elected, the the deep state has been waging war on him to regain control of the narrative.
They own it the the mainstream media are now like the aircraft carrier uh in terms of defense.
Okay?
It's it's an obsolete form of technology.
It is not working.
And so they they've got a lot of invet invested in that.
Same way the United States military has a lot of invested, they've got trillions of dollars invested in aircraft carriers, and nobody knows whether they're obsolete or not.
So the mainstream media has trillions of dollars, maybe not that, whatever it is, invested in a mainstream media that has lost the trust of the American people.
And the fact that you and I are talking right now is an indication that that trust has been lost.
Now, these people, the oligarchs and their their proxy warriors are not going to take this lying down.
And so what you're seeing now is an attempt to uh de disqualify anyone who disagrees with the mainstream media by using alternative media like the internet.
So YouTube creates a huge uh network of people all over the world who now can share views in a way that they couldn't before.
And now uh we can't go on this way.
Okay, this is too great of a challenge to the mainstream media, and so they're going to try and take take it back.
And what they're trying to do is using Trumped up charges against everyone.
Okay, and the Trumped up the charge, the essence of the Trumped up charge is hate speech.
Okay, we are now in a position where the uh the uh uh Facebook, I believe, issued guidelines.
Or actually the guidelines weren't issued, it were issued internally, but then someone leaked it up.
I think Breitbark leaked it.
Uh and the guidelines are talking about how do we define uh hate uh hate in the internet and hate speech and so on and so forth.
Well, if you read the guidelines, I'm assuming they're uh accurate guidelines, you have no they have no idea what anybody's talking about.
They're so vague and so completely uh ad hoc and arbitrary that they can't guide anyone.
So you're gonna have to find out, well, you're gonna have to go someplace else to find out what does hate speech mean?
And the place you have to go is the ADL.
Okay, the anti-defamation league, the Jewish organization has created this term.
They created the term uh as a blanket uh uh way of condemning anything that they don't like.
That the definition of hate speech is basically any any type of statement that uh Jewish organizations like the ADL do not like.
And that's what it is, and you of course you can't say that.
That's why they created the term hate speech in the beginning to begin with, but that's what's going on.
There's a uh a video out there of this uh blonde, uh I I didn't get her name, but she's it's an official ADL video in which she's saying that the ADL is collaborating with Laboratory D at University of California in Berkeley to create the online hate index.
Well, what does that mean?
What does that mean?
It's a hollow term to begin with, and and the the computer uh uh jargon says garbage in, garbage out.
So even if you delegate it to computers, it's not going to mean anything.
But what it means is basically that uh they will search ADLM.
Random computer Yeah, there she is, there she is.
That's the one I'm talking about.
That's the lady.
So random computer searches will go through, and if there are certain words, uh they will kick you off the platform.
And now it becomes completely arbitrary and completely tyrannical.
And so as a result, I this was happened to me earlier, but basically uh I I did a book review.
There's a movie, Hollywood movie called The Believer.
Uh, and it's about uh a Jew who became a Nazi.
So I I quoted, uh I did a book uh review of the movie, and and I called the uh the review Jewish Nazis, which is what it was about.
That's what it's a Hollywood movie, it was produced uh directed by a Jew about a Jew who became a Nazi.
Well, I got kicked off.
Uh that that was banned from Kindle, I believe.
I was on uh Amazon Kindle.
Well, simply because some computer uh registered the title.
So my my tech guy at this point writes to Amazon Kindle and said, Well, wait a minute, you're selling the movie that he reviewed.
Well, why can't he why can't he review the movie that you're selling?
Why is this?
And this is the type of arbitrary uh thrashing about uh that is causing all sorts of anger now among lots of people who basically trusted uh uh people like YouTube as a as a forum.
It turns out it's not being an honest forum because of the people that we're talking about.
Right, and they're using this broad term groups like the ADL, there it's all about defining anti-Semitism.
What do you think?
Did you see this news about Ted Cruz passing this anti-Semitism condemnation bill in the Senate?
Yeah, I mean, this is this is goes to the heart of what America stands for.
I mean, first of all, we don't have anything left, okay?
Nobody cares if you're an American.
There's no such thing as an American anymore.
Every pre yesterday we had a uh uh Father's Day in South Band, we have a gay pride march.
This is the triumph of identity politics, okay?
So the only thing we have left as Americans is freedom of speech.
It's basically all we have left.
And now you have these people coming along, these people, politicians who are paid by the Israel lobby to do certain things, and now they're going to abolish that.
Okay, that's going to cause violence.
I said it before uh with regard to the Powie uh synagogue shootings.
I also said it with regard to the Pittsburgh shooting.
I mean, I said he basically I've been going on ever since I wrote the Jewish revolutionary spirit.
I've been doing YouTube videos or writing saying the first principle here is no one has the right to harm the Jew.
I've said that repeatedly, okay?
Well, they censor me uh because they don't like what I'm saying, and that means that that guy who picked up a gun didn't get a chance to hear what I said about don't don't harm the Jew.
So I said then to the to the uh uh to the ADL, I said, Look, you're responsible for this.
Don't blame me.
You're responsible.
But the according to the narrative here, it works the following way.
Like I I was in interview by uh Dr. Michael Brown.
Okay, he calls up, he wants to have a friendly interview, blah, blah, blah.
So we start talking, and then it comes down to a discussion of scripture, uh, specifically one Thessalonians II.
He calls himself a Christian.
Acts and talks like a Jew, but he calls himself a Christian.
And it comes down to one Thessalonians II, which says uh the Jews are the people that killed Christ and they're enemies of the entire human race.
Now, scripture uh needs to be interpreted.
Uh that's my interpretation.
It seems that it fits into the the common sense of the words as I read them.
Okay, well, he doesn't like my interpretation.
Now, if I don't like Dr. Brown's interpretation, what am I supposed to say?
I disagree with you or uh you're an anti-Catholic bigot.
I didn't say that, okay.
I don't think that, but I mean I could say that, and it would have no effect whatsoever.
Who cares?
Who cares?
But if you disagree with Dr. Brown, he will call you a Christian anti-Semite.
And once the term uh-ti-Semite is used against you, then you're in trouble.
If you have an academic position, you will lose that position.
Okay.
So you can't, so the new definition here of uh anti-Semite is someone who now not only uh criticizes Jews, okay, or doesn't like Jews, now, according to Dr. Brown, it's someone who disagrees with a Jew, disagrees with a Jew's interpretation of scripture.
Well, who gave these people the right to do this to make their interpretation mandatory?
Well, this is called Jewish privilege.
Okay, and now we're heading in the direction that you mentioned with Ted Cruz, where uh the Israeli ambassador comes over two days after uh my uh the the Power shooting.
So the the scenario is Dr. Brown calls me a Christian anti-Semite.
The Powie shooting.
Then Dr. Brown says Jones is responsible for this because he uses Terms like uh he he talks about the Jews in this way he's guilty of Christian anti-Semitism.
Okay, in spite of the fact that I, you know, I keep saying I don't I know no one has the right to harm the Jew.
Then the ambassador comes over, the Israeli ambassador comes over and he says now, okay, the time for talk is over.
We have to make anti-Semitism a crime.
So, you know, five uh Dr. Brown is constantly saying, well, there's no such thing as the Jews.
Well, yes, there is.
And my point is it's not Dr. Brown, it's not one Jew or the other, it's the Jews taken together as a collectivity who can now put two and two together.
So Dr. Brown calls me a Christian anti-Semite, but I don't want to send him to jail.
But then the ambassador comes and he's pushing for uh legal uh making it a crime.
So taken together, the we're they are creating a situation where if you disagree with a Jew, let's say about scripture, then you will go to jail.
Well, this is intolerable.
How come how can this how can this how can we tolerate this in America?
This goes to this attacks the very heart of what is left of being an American, which is basically the ability to express yourself uh in public on these issues.
Exactly.
And you know, um I saw that video that you did talking about the ambassador.
They also said they wanted to uh ban uh anti-Semitism worldwide, they wanted criminal penalties, and he said the time for talk is over.
Yes.
So that's exactly what the guy the shooter said.
That's exactly what the manifesto of the Poway shooter said.
So what you're seeing here is a dialectic uh in which the the terrorist, the the gunman and the the Israeli ambassador are agreeing, and we're caught in the crossfire.
They both agree that the time we're trying to talk here, okay, and they're both shouting at us that the time for talk is over and we're not going to allow this type of speech anymore.
Well, I'm saying that's a recipe for violence.
It absolutely is.
If there's not having uh open debate and honest conversation, people are gonna feel like they don't have a release, they don't have an outlet, they're not being represented.
The only language, the only way they can be heard is through uh, you know, uh violence or something like that, vandalism, you know, instead of having a debate, because they'll lose the debate.
Um you mentioned uh Jewish privilege, and whenever I hear that word, and I believe you're gonna be uh covering that in your Culture Wars magazine this month, is that correct?
Yeah, we have a whole issue on on Jewish privilege, uh, which is uh this is this, I mean, we've we're all familiar with the term white privilege.
Okay, if there's ever a group of people that do not have privilege, it is whites.
I mean, first of all, I've gone on YouTube, numerous YouTube videos talking to white guys and saying, look, I'm not white.
I'm I'm I'm I'm a Catholic uh American, my parents, my forebears came from Germany and Ireland.
The term white has no meaning whatsoever.
And I said, basing this on the book I wrote called the uh The Slaughter of Cities, Urban Renewal as Ethnic Cleansing, uh, the greatest triumph that the social engineers ever had was convincing Catholic ethnics that they're white.
Because as soon as you say you're white, you lose.
Because as soon as you say you're white, you're a racist.
And as soon as you're a racist, you lose the argument.
Okay.
So this is this is completely pointless.
So there is no such thing as white privilege.
It was made up.
You can vote.
Actually, I just got a graph, interesting graph from the New York Times.
And they talk about words.
The word usage of the New York Times, let's say 1970 to the present.
And so you see a word like AIDS, okay, AIDS pops into consciousness around 1980, and then it's gone down to the point of zero.
Nobody talks about it anymore.
But you take something like white privilege, and that came into effect a couple of years ago, and now it's shut up, and it's just part of what they what they talk about.
Well, it doesn't exist.
Everybody knows it doesn't exist.
Okay.
But there is a term called Jewish privilege.
And I'm not just making this up in reaction to white privilege.
I did a book called The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, in which I talk about 2,000 years of Jewish history, and one of the chapters is on uh the Hussite rebellion in uh Bohemia, which is now the Czech Republic in the 15th century, and uh Saint John Capestran, Sam Juan Capistrano was famous Franciscan, they named the town after him in California.
I've been there, I've been there a few times, field trips.
Well, he was preaching in Bohemia at the time uh against the Hussites, for one thing, but he was also preaching against the privileges of the Jews.
That's what they that's what they said back then.
So what are we talking about here?
The privileges of the Jews.
Well, the situation in Europe was pretty much the same wherever you went.
There was a prince.
The prince always needed money, and the Jews were the only people in the business of lending money at that time.
And so they were always willing to lend the prince money if he would let them into his kingdom, principality, whatever, and give them certain privileges.
The main privilege that the Jews got was the ability to lend money to everyone else.
And this is where what the deal was.
The prince would get lower interest rates in exchange for allowing the Jews to charge the standard interest rate to everyone else, which was 43 and a third percent per year.
So everyone, that's usurious by everyone's definition.
I guess it's mild compared to payday loans now, but uh it's still usurious.
And whenever you have usurious loans, uh you have the impoverishment of the general population and the enrichment of the of the Jew who is uh the the creditor.
We're seeing exactly the same thing today.
The biggest business in Detroit now is quickened loans.
Dan Gilbert.
That's bigger than General Motors.
And that is exactly he's he's it's a combination of gambling casinos and usury, uh impoverishing everyone uh because that's what usury does.
It's compound interest.
There are two types of people in the world, those who understand compound interest and those who pay compound interest, and that's what we're talking about now uh across the country, uh destroying the purchasing power of the people, impoverishing everyone.
So this is the historical basis for uh Jewish privilege.
And Jewish privilege now the main manifestation of Jewish privilege in our day is basically the ability to determine the terms of the argument.
That's what they do, and that's exactly what we're seeing in Silicon Valley.
The Jews are coming in, the ADL, we just saw you just saw the video.
They're coming in and saying the biggest threat to the the human race right now is hate speech.
Well, first of all, you created the term.
The ADL created the term, okay?
We don't know what it means.
It means whatever they say it means, and that as a result, they dominate the conversation, and they have now the power to the ability to wreck your life.
That's the situation.
That's why everybody's getting upset here.
And now they're trying to get the government to enforce their notion of right and wrong and impose it on everyone else.
Yeah, not just the U.S. governments all around the world that are trying to uh employ this uh definition of anti-Semitism and these hate speech laws.
You know, when I think of the term Jewish privilege, I think of uh Gilad Otzman in his uh famous quote that says, uh Jewish power or uh privilege as I define it is the power to silence opposition to Jewish power.
So that's what they're able to do with the the ADL, and a perfect example of this is the the double standard and the privilege with Abe Foxman.
I've got I've done videos in one argument, he says that it's anti-Semitic to talk about them controlling anything or for being responsible or having any power in societal institutions.
So it's anti-Semitic to talk about their control or their power or their influence, and then he also says that anti-Semitism is because we're jealous of their power and their success and their intelligence.
So he's has it both ways.
It's just we've got this colossal double standard, too.
In other words, the Jew can say something.
Uh let's say uh the Jews are behind gay marriage.
Okay, Amy Dean brags about this in Takun magazine.
If I say the same thing, I'm an anti-Semite.
Well, this is exactly the same statement.
It's the same statement.
So why am I an anti-Semite?
Well, all I'm doing is quoting a Jew.
Yeah, same thing with Hollywood.
I've seen uh many, many of them brag about their influence or total control over Hollywood.
But then if uh anybody else says it, immediately you're an anti-Semite.
Another Alan Dershaw was just uh has a video out there where he says we should be proud that we control everything.
But if I say you control everything, well then I'm an anti Semitic.
Well, Alan Dershaw was just said it.
He says you should be proud of it.
The same thing is true of an article I did on Jewish involvement in pornography.
I was immediately called an anti-Semite because I said the Jews controlled the pornography industry.
You know, I got it from Luke Ford, who uh was it uh was a Jew at the time.
I think he was a Jew.
He's gone back and forth between a Seventh-day Adventist and a Jew, okay.
Uh and then uh uh uh an academic, uh Professor Abrams writes an article in the Jewish Quarterly in England, says exact takes my article, basically takes the article.
It's not plagiarism because he cited the article, but it's basically my entire article, and all he does is say change the conclusion.
So I say it's bad, he says it's good, we're making the same statement, and I'm called an anti-Semite, and he probably gets a raise for getting an article published.
You're right.
Yeah, awful.
Um I want to move on.
I've been hearing the term, I wanted to do a video on this, actually.
I've been starting some uh an outline for it.
The term Judeo-Christian, it's been in the news, people are talking about it.
I'm seeing it pushed everywhere.
What is why am I hearing this term so much and and what's the deal behind it?
Well, the uh the term, well, first of all, we're gonna have a long review uh in uh culture wars on on that term, uh Judeo-Christian.
Uh but the term uh basically came into prominence uh during the nineteen fifties, okay, when when the the Jews were making their move into establishment uh circles.
Uh so they did they they wanted to fit in.
This was one of those periods uh where they wanted to assimilate.
Uh the the uh they were on the defensive at this point, if you're talking about the nineteen fifties, because uh at this point there is a lot of um uh pushback on communism.
And everybody at the time knew that the Jews were communists.
Uh communism dominated communism, socialism, uh any whatever you want to call designate this, the left.
Uh Jews dominated the these these areas in in the American political life, and and there were uh incidents like the uh the trial for um the people who stole the atomic bomb uh secret, passed it on to the Russians.
That was a trial.
They were executed, they had to get a Jewish judge to execute those guys, the the people, the the couple.
Uh and um at the point like this when you feel defensive, you want to s pr plead your your loyalty to America.
And so the AJC actually, the American Jewish Committee actually allowed the FBI to go through its files and and basically betrayed Jews that they left-wing Jews that they felt were now a liability.
So in a in a in an atmosphere like this, you want to uh associate, you want you don't want to be distinctive, you want to associate with the group, the main group uh that that you feel threatened by.
And that's sort of the emergence of the term Judeo-Christian began at that point.
Uh and they tried to stress uh common values, okay, and the fact that uh there the Bible is made up of uh Hebrew scriptures at the beginning and then Greek scriptures uh at the end.
So the old and the new testament, the they have a common source.
The New Testament has common source in Hebrew scriptures, which is true.
That's absolutely true.
But there's uh uh a little problem here in that uh what happened to this group of people when Jesus Christ arrived on earth.
Well, what happened is that the the the Jews killed their own Messiah.
So if you look at scripture, if you look at the New Testament, for example, you will be hard pressed to find any evidence of Judeo-Christian thought.
Because what you have in the New Testament is a constant description of a battle between one group of Jews who accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah and another group of Jews who can conspired to kill him.
And that group is known as the Jews to this day.
So there is no real metaphysical or scriptural or theological foundation for this term at all.
It's just it doesn't exist.
What you have at the time of Christ is a split with among the Hebrew people which has perdured to this day.
As I said in the book, the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit, the what the group, the split is over Logos.
The Jews who accepted Jesus Christ became the party of Logos.
They accepted the order of the universe as created by God.
And the Jews who rejected Jesus Christ rejected the Logos incarnate, rejected the order, and they became revolutionaries, and that's what they've been ever since, up to this day.
You know, when I think of the term Judeo-Christian, and it makes me wonder about how, you know, with the writings of Darby and Schofield reference Bible and just the dominance of Christian Zionists in the evangelicals in the United States, the Judeo-Christian term kind of like uh influences them to kind of be Zionist and to worship Israel and to go down that sort of line of thinking.
You think that has something to do with it as well?
Of course it does.
Of course it does.
The biggest uh the Jews simply could not exist uh without a large voting block of non-Jews, and that the people who fill this role are the Christian Zionists.
Uh places like Indiana politics are dominated in the southern part.
When you go south of South Bend, the politics are dominated by Christian Zionism, uh, which is basically that there's some type of demon divine mandate to support the state of Israel.
Only only pro only Protestants could feel this way because they don't have a clear understanding of the church as the new Israel.
Okay, as the successor.
The church is the successor of the Jewish of the Hebrew people of God's chosen people.
This is the new Israel.
Uh the the Protestants don't have this sense of church.
They simply don't, because their churches are pretty much ad hoc organizations that get created basically overnight by splitting away from other churches and goes all the way back to the Reformation.
So they don't have a clear understanding of the church.
And if you don't have a clear understanding of the church, then Israel fulfills fills in that role, and you become Israel.
Is obviously there's an ambiguity here because uh and their politics is based on the ambiguity, which is to say that when they say Israel, they mean the state of Israel, which means that they feel that it has some type of theological and biological continuity with the Hebrew people and all that other type of stuff, which the Catholic Church never believed, still doesn't believe it to this day.
Okay?
The church is the new Israel.
That people has been replaced.
The they they call this the people who don't like it, call it supersessionism, but that is the official position of the Catholic Church.
No matter how many theologians disagree with it, you will never get around that position because it's in Scripture.
That whole passage of the wicked uh husbandman, the vineyard, where the the the master establishes a vineyard, and then uh he says, Well, I'm gonna take back my vineyard.
These people uh are not don't own the vineyard, they're working for me.
So he sends uh uh his representatives, they mistreat him, and then he says, Well, I'll send my son, and they kill him.
Well, guess who the son is?
It's Jesus Christ, and that's a parable of basically the Jewish uh commission their their uh pact with God to be the administrators of the vineyard have been revoked.
They revoked themselves and now it's open to other people.
Other people are going to come in and take over, and that is the church.
So the the Catholic Church has never gotten away from this theology.
The evangelical churches are weaker and and more susceptible to ideological takeover, and that's precisely what happened with the Schofield Bible.
It was promoted by uh uh Untermeyer, uh the Jewish publishing industry in New York, uh, and it's had a devastating effect on America's foreign policy.
Yeah, it's how they've captured the United States is through the Christian Zionists, and they want to capture even more.
I'm sure you're aware of the seven Noahide laws and the Kabbalah, the Rebbe, the Chabad Lubavitchers.
I think they want they want they make no secret that they want the whole world, all the Gentiles to follow the Noahide laws, which includes you can't be a Christian or a Muslim, those are idolatry, and uh and you can't criticize anything they do, that'll be considered blasphemy.
So the Judeo Christian term, it's it's more propaganda to help convince them that, oh, actually, you know, you need to listen to us in the old testament and follow the Noahide laws, and then they say that the true Messiah will come, you know, their Moshiach.
So is that a what do you think about the Noahide laws?
Well, I mean, who who gave the Jews the right to tell us how to live?
Who gave them this right?
They gave it to themselves and their ancestors.
One of the fundamental uh pillars of American life would be the ability to practice your religion as you see fit.
Okay, that the government simply as it nibbles, it's always nibbling around the edges, you know, like when you come to moral issues, the government is constantly interfering in the life, the ability of the church.
So we had under the Obama administration, you had basically uh the use of abortion as and homosexuality as a wedge to basically uh undermine the integrity of Christian churches, Catholic Church in particular.
Okay, well, Trump comes in now and that's over.
So nobody's gonna force the little sisters of the poor to buy contraceptives anymore.
That's over.
But the threat is always there, and now you see the threat coming from a uh uh a different quarter.
It's coming from the opposite end of the spectrum.
Because in a sense, the Jews are playing both sides against the middle.
Okay, you've got left wing Jews who are for abortion, and you got right wing Jews who ni may want to make it mandatory uh to to not to criticize the state of Israel.
But they're both uh in they're both determined to impose their views on the majority of the people, the overwhelming majority of the people of the United States of America.
Okay, they're what are they, two percent of the population?
Okay, and so they you can't you just it won't fly if you try it overtly.
So you always need some type of proxy warrior uh setup.
And the main proxy warrior now for the Jewish revolutionary spirit is the homosexual.
That is the that is the attempt to impose this view on the entire world, the entire United States right now.
That's that's the vehicle.
It's funny that you mentioned that right after I was talking about the Noahide laws because you know that the symbol of the Noahide laws is actually the rainbow.
Yes.
And and it's a symbol for Noah.
So we're going back to the Noah, the covenant of Noah.
Right.
Uh but but okay, uh let's assume there is a Noahide covenant, okay.
I I'll accept that.
But who's going to interpret it and who's going to who's who will have the final word?
What you're seeing the in my what I've discovered in my conversation with uh Dr. Brown is that uh he is always going to have the last word because he has Jewish privilege.
And it and if you disagree with him, if he gets if he he will call you an anti-Semite, and that will be the end of the discussion.
Because and and if he gets if the Jews get their way, uh then you will go to jail.
And that is the situation in England.
It's already happened in England.
Uh Jez Turner did a video of the Jewish police force in London.
No one disputed the truth of what he said.
Everybody knows that it exists, but some Jew didn't like what he said, and so as a result, he called uh he said it was hate speech, and once it's hate speech, who who's going to define it?
Well, the Jew is going to define it because he's the guy who created the term.
So once you get down into this area, it's law, you lost the battle.
You lost the battle.
Once once you have to debate on terms like hate speech, which is basically a subjective impression uh from a certain group of people, you've lost.
You you're no longer in the realm of truth or objectivity or anything else.
You're in the realm of racial animus, and uh uh there's no way you can defend yourself.
That is the problem here.
It really is a linguistic like labeling trick, and they just use the controlled media to just keep repeating it incessantly, and it's effective, sadly.
And you know, I've seen I've been seeing uh ask Dr. Brown, he's been inviting people on and smearing introducing them as anti Semites and then doing shows after where he takes a little clip and then doesn't let them finish and all types of stuff.
He's he's uh talked about me as well.
He is trying to downplay the threat and the danger of the Noahide laws, saying that there's more truth to Santa Claus and Elvis and stuff, crazy stuff like that than Noahide laws.
It's I find it very odd that he's not being honest about what they really mean.
Yeah, well, he wasn't honest with me.
He he did a show uh where he it was kind of ludicrous what was going on here, but basically he replayed the clip of the first interview.
This is the second interview, and he starts talking to he's like talking to the video monitor.
I'm not there.
He's uh there's a picture of me on the video monitor, and he's saying, Well, Dr. Jones, you have the last word.
And at this point, I don't know, he timed it, so I'm going like this, and then he says, and this is what Dr. Jones said.
Well, wait a minute.
You I'm not there to begin with.
You're asking uh uh a picture of me on the wall, a question, and then you're telling everyone what I really said when I wasn't saying anything.
I mean, it's completely dishonest.
And I we have an email exchange going back and forth where he's he's trying to defend himself, and ultimately he has to admit, well, yeah, he did put words in my mouth.
Because the actual words of my mouth uh are something that he can't refute.
That's the problem.
So he always has to win, and he always has to win by maintaining these uh uh by uh by basically the final word is he's gonna call you an anti-Semite.
And if he calls you an anti-Semite, there's nothing you can say.
Any Jew, this is what I the essence of Jewish privilege.
This is what I'm talking about here.
Any Jew has the right to come in and call you an anti-Semite and wreck your life.
Any Jew uh has a the right to say this is hate speech, okay, and you can be deplatformed, uh, and you have no recourse.
This is an intolerable situation.
Yeah, the the privilege that they have a special bill where they're the protected class, like why can't it just be equal, equal um discrimination laws and and hate speech laws?
You know, not that I'm saying I want hate speech laws, but equal protection for everybody.
Why is there just an anti-Semitism czar but not an anti-uh Catholic or an anti-Christian czar, you know, Elon Carr that was funded by Adelson?
Yeah, well, I mean, the the example I I said was that uh on Chris on Easter Day, Easter Sunday, uh bombs went off in uh Sri Lanka that killed 300 Catholics.
Well, is anyone saying that uh anti-Catholicism should be criminalized as a result of that?
A lot more people died in Sri Lanka that died in Poway.
So why can't we have this?
Well, no one talks that way because Catholics have no privileges.
Catholics are a demonized class.
As soon as you say Catholic, someone's gonna say pedophilia.
Well, wait a minute.
Do you mean to tell me there's more incidents of pedophilia in the Catholic Church than there is in Jewish Hollywood?
I I find that hard to believe.
The Boy Scouts, any group, you name any group.
Why is it the Catholic Church is being singled out?
I've seen a lot about Chabad as well, Chabad having uh prevalent child abuse and the ultra-orthodox.
The point here is that the discussion has been so distorted by these terms like hate speech and anti-Semitism that you simply can't discuss anything.
And I said before, if you can't discuss anything, some guy's gonna pick up a gun.
That's why I think that this is what's every day.
Somebody picks up a gun and starts shooting somebody, whether it's Costco or Las Vegas.
Okay, did did did any the criticism of gambling.
Did that lead to that murder in Las Vegas?
Well then why why are we saying why is there only one instance where this happens?
This this is because these terms are self-validating.
They they they validate themselves without any reference to any reality.
That that cannot be the truth.
Okay?
I I I think the groups like the ADL that push all of this anti-Semitism hysteria, they want to censor so people will snap and then go out and cause violence so that they can crack down even more and raise more money.
So it really is part of their plan.
I I have these dark suspicions myself.
I I expressed that in one of my videos.
Okay.
It's not as if there's no precedent for this.
There's the Levon affair in Egypt where basically the Mossad in the 50s, no one's no Jews are going to Israel, so they could try to create a panic by staging uh an attack by killing Jews in a synagogue.
Okay, so it's not as if there's not precedent for this type of thing.
Right.
Well, not I'm I wasn't even saying that they would be staging things.
They just they they uh push people into a corner like a cornered rat, you know, they're gonna fight back.
If you're censored, they're they're not having honest debates, you know.
Like say, you know, I got demonetized on YouTube as well and had several videos taken down last week with the the big purge.
Like somebody that spends years and years building up a channel working to build an audience, and then they just decide arbitrarily to take it all away.
I mean, uh I've got a stable mind, but other people could just lose their minds and go snap like that.
YouTube, there was a YouTube girl that went to YouTube and did something for that already.
That's right, she did.
She went and started shooting because uh she she was her whole livelihood was taken away from it.
That happened, and you have no recourse.
You have no resource.
So what you have now is a private institution that has basically uh the power of a government entity.
It has a uh a monopoly on uh the public square, a monop virtually a monopoly on internet discourse, close to a monopoly on internet discourse.
That of course may change, but that is the situation, and they can treat it without any respect for the public good or the common good.
It's basically I own it, you don't like it, that's your tough luck.
And that is going to create violence.
There's no question about it.
This arbitrary imposition of uh of uh uh uh a rule that has no relationship to reality is the essence of violence in itself.
It is a form of violence, and the fact is it will create violence, and that's what we're seeing.
Right, yeah.
Unfortunately, that is what we're seeing, and it's not us, we're not the ones responsible for it.
We're not the one that hate free speech out there and hate people's ability to dissent or to be supported by people that want to support their work.
There's just so many double standards and discrimination, and they're able to get away with all of it.
Um, Dr. E. Michael Jones, I know we're over the time.
Um I just wanted to thank you so much for coming on again to talk.
I hope to have you again in the future.
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