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April 3, 2026 - Knowledge Fight
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#1131: Losers

Dan and Jordan of Knowledge Fight dissect Alex Jones's shifting narrative on Donald Trump, contrasting his 2005 condemnation of "alternative truth leaders" with his current defense of the President. They analyze Trump's recent Iran speech, where he bragged about killing civilians, arguing this trivializes life and exposes the lie that Trump champions the free market for all. By highlighting Trump's claim that loving losers makes him feel like a winner, the hosts reveal how Jones's benevolent portrayal crumbles under scrutiny of poverty rhetoric. Ultimately, this contradiction suggests Jones has lost credibility, yet similar vulnerabilities persist among other political figures. [Automatically generated summary]

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dan friesen
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jordan holmes
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alex jones
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donald j trump
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pastor james david manning
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Conflicted Blood Moon Twist 00:05:23
unidentified
Knowledge fight Dan and Jordan.
I am sweating knowledge fight.com It's time to pray.
donald j trump
I have great respect for knowledge fight knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight Dan and Jordan knowledge fight I need money Andy in Kansas and the and the and the and it's time Pray Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex, I'm a Christian color.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
KnowledgeFight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
I have a quick question for you.
dan friesen
Please.
unidentified
What month is it?
dan friesen
It's April.
jordan holmes
Oh, shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Uh oh.
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today?
dan friesen
There are no traditions anymore for the rest of the year.
It was really just the first couple months.
jordan holmes
It was just those first couple months.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I'll just, I'll tell you my bright spot.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
It's honestly, I'm conflicted about this.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I said I wasn't going to talk about Survivor.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And I meant to.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I meant to not talk about it.
jordan holmes
You had every intention to not talk about it.
dan friesen
Sincere, from the heart.
I got to cut this shit out.
Right.
But I was watching last night's episode of Survivor, and something happened that I got really excited about, and then I felt really disappointed by.
unidentified
Oh, no.
dan friesen
So, mild spoilers.
I'm not going to say who got voted out or anything like that.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
But so, Jeff Probst.
Yeah.
He starts giving a speech to everybody about how.
They were trying to come up with ways to use nature to inform the twists in the game.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that nature had blessed them with a perfect metaphor.
jordan holmes
Cautiously optimistic about this?
dan friesen
Blood moon.
jordan holmes
Less optimistic.
dan friesen
There was a blood moon.
And so Jeff Probst is like, there's going to be a twist that will fundamentally shake this game forever.
jordan holmes
Werewolves are real.
dan friesen
That would be one.
jordan holmes
That would shake everything.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it's a blood moon.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's a twist that will change the game forever.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
How can this not be my big pitch make them bleed?
Make them give you a pint of blood.
unidentified
Sure.
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, it would be interesting legally.
But, you know, on the other hand, they take a lot of shit from people's bodies on reality TV shows.
dan friesen
I don't think it would be illegal for Jeff Groves to be like the person who bleeds into this cup the fastest.
jordan holmes
The fastest immune.
Ooh, that's a good question.
dan friesen
It can't be voted out.
jordan holmes
How would you?
Here's my question, though, right?
So, you're saying it's a speed bleeding challenge?
dan friesen
Speed bleed.
jordan holmes
So now I'm thinking, looking at my own body, where does blood come out the fastest from?
I'm chopping my femoral artery, and then I'm dead in 30 seconds.
dan friesen
No, okay.
Here's where the legally comes into it.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There probably would have to be some sort of rules around where you could cut.
jordan holmes
I like that in my fantasy, I'm like, oh, here's the trick I'll kill myself.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That'll be fast.
Got him.
unidentified
Got him.
dan friesen
I know it's not ever going to happen.
Yeah.
But it felt like the closest that we were ever going to get to my fantasy version of completely insane Jeff Probst.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Really going too far with the premise.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the fact that it was a blood moon, I was like, it's right there.
This is happening.
You know, for a minute, I thought, this is fucking happening.
We're losing it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then it didn't happen.
jordan holmes
What happened?
What was the theme?
dan friesen
They just voted out three people.
It's not like.
jordan holmes
Because of a blood moon?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because it was just extra blood.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Extra bloody?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, the whole speech that Propst was giving was this, like, there's a twist that's going to change the game forever.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's something that's never happened on the show before.
Like, well, yeah, bleed in a cup.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just from your hands.
jordan holmes
Squeeze blood from a stone, literally.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
But no, it was just that no one.
They've never had an episode where three people were voted out.
unidentified
That was.
dan friesen
That sucks.
Three tribal councils.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is interesting about that game.
dan friesen
It was fine.
It's an escalation in terms of, like, yeah, there have been episodes where two people have been voted out before.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it wasn't, like, it zigged when it could have zagged.
And I think that that was the problem.
Like, something really upsetting should have been the twist that will change the game.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, you can't say Blood Moon without me, without the either straight up werewolf or, like, oh, Blood, sanguination.
You're going to take blood from something.
dan friesen
I think the idea that they wanted you to feel is like the sacrifice of more players is just a little bit of a challenge.
jordan holmes
I would have accepted like a sacrifice.
Like, you got to go put your hand in some deer blood and like put it on your forehead or some shit like that.
I don't know.
That's not a challenge.
Sacrifice in Clown Baseball 00:04:54
dan friesen
With a box from the other side.
jordan holmes
Obviously, that's not a challenge.
Yeah, absolutely.
Get the Gom Jabbar out there.
unidentified
Right, frozen.
Shut it, you know?
jordan holmes
Here's the blood moon.
dan friesen
God, that'd be good.
jordan holmes
That would be good.
dan friesen
Anyway, it's fine.
I'm not.
I got to stop talking about Survivor, and I swear I will, but what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is a little abstract.
I haven't been able to watch more than like a few innings of a baseball game this year.
Oh, no.
My beloved Cubs are doing okay.
They're not as good as they should be, but there's only been a week of the season.
My bright spot, though, is that I'm still following up with all the box scores.
I'm following the league, you know?
And I felt a direct connection to that.
Guy in the 1920s reading his newspaper going over the scores, chomping on a cigar, looking at the zeros and ones.
unidentified
100%.
jordan holmes
No, totally.
Like there's a stock ticker or some shit on that thing.
And it's just like, for a brief moment, I was like, a hundred years is no time at all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, it felt cool.
dan friesen
Early, before we started the show, we were talking a little bit and we talked a bit about basketball and how I used to love basketball.
And I have vivid memories of that, like looking at the box scores and And reading that, like, absolutely having to figure out, like, okay, this line is this, like, yep, that's exciting stuff.
jordan holmes
And then I love a box score, just visualizing, like, oh, this was the back and forth of the game.
And yeah, there's just something about that.
Like, there was a time where you had to imagine, you could not watch a replay, you couldn't watch a YouTube clip, there were no highlights, you just had to see that the box score had six hits versus four hits and two errors, and you had to imagine what those errors looked like.
dan friesen
Like, yeah, you know what the problem with an error in baseball is.
unidentified
What's that?
dan friesen
It's never as silly as you want it to be.
It's not, there are some silly errors, but almost never.
Almost, usually, some weird formal thing, yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, it doesn't, it doesn't, no one's tripping around, yeah, or just a regular mistake, you know, like, oh, I just sailed the ball, I threw it a little too high, so yeah, that's an error.
dan friesen
It was like, yeah, but that's not a fun, wacky error, no, no, like someone just like slipping and going, going head over.
jordan holmes
So, you're saying that we should institute more banana peels on the diamond?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
jordan holmes
All right.
I will take that proposal under consideration.
dan friesen
And now I've started thinking could you do a Harlem Globetrotters of baseball?
jordan holmes
They have one.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
It's called the Savannah Bananas.
unidentified
What?
What do they do?
jordan holmes
They're just a pure clown show.
Like, they're fantastic.
They're very good ball players, but they have sing alongs.
They do crowd stuff.
They have these clips.
Everybody does dances.
Sometimes during the pitch, They'll have a camera set up.
So the umpire, the catcher, the batter, the pitcher, and the center fielder and the second base and the shortstop all just start dancing in like what?
Synchronized.
They're all doing the same motions for like 30 seconds and then they throw the pitch and they just move on with the.
It's a whole thing.
dan friesen
How do they fake the hits and stuff though?
jordan holmes
They don't fake them.
They're just very good ballplayers.
dan friesen
Uh huh.
Yeah.
They just know exactly where they're going.
jordan holmes
No, I mean, it's.
But if you're good at baseball and everybody's kind of working as a team, you're going to not be good all the time.
But there's a lot of stuff that you can control if you and the defense are both kind of on the same team in a sort of way.
dan friesen
If the pitcher isn't trying to get one past you, they can put it where you need it to be to hit it where you.
Right.
jordan holmes
But sometimes it's the time for the pitcher to show off.
It's a little bit like an all star game.
Sometimes the pitcher goes, ah, I'm going to strike you out.
Or sometimes the hitter's like, ah, I'm going to hit a home run.
That kind of thing.
dan friesen
Do the Savannah Bananas have a Washington Generals?
jordan holmes
They do.
There's a whole league.
And they kind of barnstorm.
unidentified
A whole league?
jordan holmes
There's like four teams, I think.
unidentified
Something like that.
jordan holmes
They've just expanded to like four teams Clown Baseball League?
Yeah, 100%.
They barnstorm.
They've filled out arenas.
They've filled out stadiums.
They'll show up.
They, yeah, they'll sell out 100,000 seats.
dan friesen
So hold on.
But if they have four teams, then are three of them the losers to the Bananas?
Or are two like, is there another bananas?
jordan holmes
I do not specifically know how comedy leagues of baseball work in terms of season wide rankings.
I just know that the Savannah bananas started it as like a thing a while back and it's just grown.
It's gotten big.
dan friesen
It seems like there's so many more opportunities for things that aren't wildly unsafe in the context of basketball and clowning.
Yep.
But hey, you know, the sky's the limit.
The Barnstorming League 00:15:23
unidentified
I'm glad.
dan friesen
I'm glad they're trying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is fun.
It's fun for baseball because for the longest time, every single person who's ever picked up a bat is like, you got to do it the right way.
There's not rules.
And these guys are like, what if I did a backflip all the time?
dan friesen
Now, hockey seems like that would be tough with boys and stuff.
jordan holmes
There have only been like three skaters who've ever done a backflip on skates, I think.
dan friesen
I think incorporating that in clown business could be trouble.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking about a little bit of something.
And before we do that, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So, first, shout out to Amanda, Mary Alice, Stuart, and all the good people in Eau Claire, Wisconsin.
Keep fighting the good fight.
From Cullen, thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
dan friesen
Next, happy January birthday to Nick, my weekly bright spot and favorite cat, Dad.
Love, Jillian.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
dan friesen
And put on your casual boots and slather up a ketchup sandwich, because Because, snip, snip, it's the lobster man, and I'm coming for your green walls and 5,000 hats.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrat in the next one.
So, thank you so much to Augustine, Illinois.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
For star, don't honk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor james david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
unidentified
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, I'm back from the road and all that.
We're adjusting back into normal.
There's a lot of stuff going on over at InfoWars, and we're going to get into some of that stuff on Monday.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Today, I wanted to ruminate on something.
And before, or just as a little bit of an introduction, I'm going to play you this clip of Alex from 2005.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Yeah, this is about survival.
One thing holding us back is so many so called alternative truth leaders or patriots are just complete psychopathic power trip individuals.
I mean, you see them at public events, they get off on crowds, they get off on being told how great they are.
And I think there's something wrong with somebody that really gets off on that and likes that.
What they're hungry for.
That's what they're looking for.
We're not doing that, folks.
We are truly disgusted by what's happening.
dan friesen
So, on Wednesday night, Trump asked all the major networks to let him break into their normal programming to address the country, and it was one of the most bleak pictures I've seen in a very long time.
For one thing, it interrupted Survivor, and I finally kind of made peace with the new season, so it was a bit of a setback for me.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
That's why it ended up being a bright spot again.
unidentified
Woof, yeah.
dan friesen
But it was also disgusting.
I feel like I keep getting tricked.
By these Trump speeches, where there's some buzz and anticipation around it, where everyone convinces themselves that he's going to say something important and then it just falls flat.
He didn't say anything that mattered.
There was no clarity that was provided about the war in Iran.
I feel like I know less after watching him talk because he's such an obvious liar that hearing him talk just gives you new things to doubt.
Past leaders were orators who gave speeches that calmed a country when times were tense, and it's remarkable how Trump is really the opposite.
Everything could be going well, and hearing him speak would make me feel off.
But the reason that I'm saying that it was disgusting was because a lot of the speech was dedicated to talking about how he's killed so many people in Iran.
A lot of it centered around bragging about killing Iranian government officials, but the reality is what he actually was talking about involves a ton of civilian death.
And seeing him talk about it in such a brazen, flippant way, it felt like it trivialized life itself.
I was feeling really put off, and as I explored that feeling, it dawned on me that this type of shit isn't as uncommon as how it made me feel.
Bush bragged about his acts of war back when he was president.
Hillary Clinton famously said, We came, we saw, he died, about the Obama administration's attacks on Libya.
My feeling came from a place where I like to imagine that our administration, like the leaders, are generally circumspect about killing and talking about our wars as if they didn't actually want to do them.
I like to imagine that our leaders dislike the idea of international conflicts, but, you know, it's inevitable and some people are going to get killed.
But Trump doesn't let you think that.
It's super clear that he's proud of dropping bombs and he loves threatening to drop more.
Like, he was talking about how if Iran doesn't do what he wants, he's going to take them back to the Stone Age.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, it's fucked up.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Obviously, I don't mean to say here that both sides are equally bad or anything like that.
Just that this overt bloodlust that Trump was displaying wasn't as unfamiliar as my revulsion wanted it to be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So these thoughts sent me into a contemplative depression, and I could barely enjoy the rest of Survivor when he came back on after Trump's speech.
So, in Survivor, there are a number of traditional paths to victory.
And one of the most time tested is becoming friends with the worst, least charismatic person out there and trying to get to the end with them.
If you vote together, that doubles your influence.
And if you make it to the jury, you make it to the point where they're deciding the game, no one's going to vote for that other person because they're the loser.
unidentified
Right, right.
jordan holmes
You only have to be faster than the other person running against you.
dan friesen
Exactly.
That's a great strategy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That strategy has fallen out of favor in modern times because savvy players can see it developing fairly early and they nip it in the bud.
Now, in season 50, there's no real losers that could just fit into that role.
Some people are more liked than others, but there's no real mopes.
No one's just around as someone who's going to get played because they're stupid.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's just not going to happen.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, as I was thinking about this and Survivor, it made me think about a recent thing that Trump said in a speech that he gave at the Future Investment Initiative.
unidentified
So, Mr. President, what is the one leadership trait?
The world is missing right now.
What is missing in leadership?
donald j trump
Well, it's winning.
You've got to win.
You know, I've watched a lot of people, leaders, great leaders.
And, you know, the one thing about sports is you break it down into, you know, a two hour period, something nice.
You don't have to wait a lifetime to find out if somebody is a winner or a loser.
You've got a lot of losers, mostly losers, fortunately.
It's a good thing to have a lot of losers.
I always like to hang around with losers, actually, because it makes me feel better.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
donald j trump
I hate guys that are very, very successful, and you have to listen to their success stories.
I like people that like to listen to my success.
But I find, and I found this, and I'm only kidding.
I want to say that sort of.
dan friesen
I'm only kidding.
But I'm not.
So Trump has said a lot of crazy shit in the past few weeks, and a lot of it we really haven't touched on.
But this was something that I felt needed its own moment because it directly intersects with Alex in a devastating way.
Prior to teaming up with Trump, Alex was able to maintain his support for capitalism by insisting that there was good capitalism and bad capitalism, which was secretly just communism wearing a wig.
The good capitalism was the real capitalism that wanted everyone to succeed because a rising tide lifts all boats.
And the bad capitalism was the kind that was predicated on a smaller group of people succeeding and placing themselves apart from the rest of us.
But then Trump came along, and Alex had a serious problem on his hands.
Trump represented All of the characteristics of bad capitalism in the way that Alex preached it.
Trump put his name on all of his buildings.
He lived a lifestyle that flaunted his affluence in people's faces.
And he had a long running TV show where his catchphrase was, You're fired.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He was the avatar of wealth exclusion.
He was super rich and he wanted to make sure you knew it.
And it could, he could either welcome you into wealth if you pleased him or fire you if he didn't like what you were up to.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As we've talked about in the past, Alex even said on his show that.
Trump was a mob front man whose wealth was a complete facade.
He understood what Trump represented and he took on the job of making that asshole palatable to his audience.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And when he was in that state, that need, one of the only things Alex could rely on in order to try and present this image of Trump is like, yeah, sure, sure.
He's a billionaire guy.
Yeah, sure, sure, sure.
But he's not like those other guys.
He loves to hang out with successful people.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
dan friesen
The globalist will walk past a tenement slum building or whatever and be like, Oh, I'm so much better than them.
Not Trump.
Trump is a man of the people.
And competition.
unidentified
He loves it.
dan friesen
He wants people to be better than him.
jordan holmes
Everybody should be successful.
dan friesen
So when you have him giving a speech and he's saying this stuff, it's just, it's such a shocking, a wrecking ball to Alex's image of this.
Of course he loves hanging out with losers.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's so blunt.
jordan holmes
They don't threaten his superiority.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
That's pretty much the concept.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
It is.
I am amazed.
Every time I feel.
Because I've successfully managed to avoid 99.998% of all the things that he said in the past couple of years.
But every time I hear one thing, one thing, I'm like, it would be so easy to 25th Amendment this motherfucker.
There's no words that aren't crazier than that.
We have an amendment.
Specifically to the Constitution, that's like, hey, crazy pants like this guy, get him out!
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's not complicated.
dan friesen
No, and I think that there's a certain amount of whimsy and amusement they can have.
Like, I like to hang out with losers because they make me feel good.
jordan holmes
I guess.
Sure.
dan friesen
But he broke into network coverage primetime, Wednesday night, in order to say, hey, what I'm doing in Iran's great.
We killed a ton of people.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Gonna flatten the fucking country.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And also, hey, it'll be done soon.
unidentified
Whatever.
dan friesen
It's not as bad as other wars.
Those went on really long.
He gave no definite information.
That, to me, I think is much more 25th-able.
jordan holmes
I would say: here's a question that I have.
If you are.
Okay, right.
Sure, Bush lied us into war and all of the lies and stuff there were lies, right?
But still, Congress did all the stuff and they wrote all the laws and they were like, yeah, you go fucking murder those people left and right.
It's legal for you to do that.
As far as I am aware, it is illegal for Trump to do this stuff, right?
Like, it is actually illegal.
dan friesen
That's my understanding.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So, if you are illegally murdering people, we would just call that regular murder, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, it's damn close.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I don't think there's any other way to describe the act of going to somebody's house and then killing them without them knowing that they were going to die as anything but a murder.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Right?
Yeah.
And apparently, you know, it's the grand version of I could kill someone on Fifth Avenue and get away with it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You can drop bombs on people, and everyone gets it.
It's illegal.
jordan holmes
So if you murder one guy, that's bad.
Sure.
We all accept that that's bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
If you murder like 20 guys, everybody's like, you're a serial killer and you must be stopped.
And let's make a documentary about how we didn't stop you.
Right.
This seems like too many murders.
dan friesen
It does.
It does.
And I think it's going to look very insane in hindsight.
I think that everyone's behavior is going to be, maybe not everybody, but almost everybody's behavior is going to be looked at as like, what the fuck was going on?
And I'm sure we'll all take comfort in some like, hey, look, COVID was crazy.
Everyone.
Everyone kind of went a little silly after COVID.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
You can't expect people to behave rationally after they've been trapped inside.
dan friesen
I'm sure that will give a pass to a lot of this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's fundamentally insane.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Trump was, when he killed Ayatollah and launched that attack, he did the Bane thing of like, Iranians, rise up and take your country.
jordan holmes
That is exactly what he did.
dan friesen
And in the speech that he gave last night, it was so clear that he was like, hey, look, we don't even need the Straits of Hormuz.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
All you people who want it, go and take it.
I don't know.
We did the hard part.
We killed a bunch of people.
You guys just go in and take that straight.
Just do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And there's a part of me that feels like an honest person would say, hey, I did.
We can't finish this.
Yeah.
We started something that we can't finish.
We realize, hey, but instead, it's like trying to make it someone else's problem.
You finish the job.
jordan holmes
I mean, it seems crazy to me how.
How fairly simple it would be, and how, and I presume the reason that it's not being done is because people are worried about either a revolution or a military coup, right?
That has to be the only reason.
But it seems fairly obvious that if like five senators were like, hey, let's just not do this anymore, Trump's gone, sorry, Iran, we're going to help you rebuild some shit, we fucked up.
Everybody would be fine.
unidentified
Hmm.
Hmm.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Right.
You have to be afraid that there's a military coup or that the right wing is going to overthrow the government because otherwise there's no reason not to do it.
dan friesen
It seems to me almost impossible to figure out what the motivations are for things not radically changing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The status quo not radically changing.
jordan holmes
It is, I mean, I don't know how to describe it.
dan friesen
I think that the two possibilities that you're talking about, like a military coup or revolution, Sure, I could see those as being fears.
There's probably other options that I don't understand or know about, but there's something, there has to be some reason that this isn't stopping.
jordan holmes
We have mechanisms for this situation.
It has been planned out.
Hey, guys, what if somebody goes crazy on the space shuttle?
Tie them up.
Don't let them go around.
Don't give them the control to the spaceship.
dan friesen
Damn.
So I was thinking.
Thinking about this thing that Trump said, yeah, of like, and hang out with losers because it makes him feel good.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So I just want to play a couple of clips of Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, fuck me.
dan friesen
From the past, like in Trump promoting times.
unidentified
Yeah, okay.
dan friesen
We can really just reflect on.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
I'll tell you a secret for people I know that know Trump and researching.
Believing Trump's Lies 00:11:39
alex jones
He's extremely OCD, he's basically autistic, and he doesn't like not seeing people prosperous.
He doesn't get off on seeing poor people.
He doesn't like poverty.
Trump is a real man.
I mean, they say Trump's crazy.
He's completely crazy.
And that he just is so positive.
And that's why anybody that's actually been around Trump picks that up and gets it.
And so I guess he is crazy.
Because, you know, in a world of psychos and control freaks and folks that want to screw people over and think if I'm going to win, you got to lose.
To run into somebody like Trump that just wants to totally build the pie and expand everything, he's nuts.
dan friesen
It's true.
Yeah.
He just doesn't like poverty.
He wants you to be rich because he doesn't like poverty.
Makes sense.
unidentified
I do.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'll say about something like that, right?
I will say that I don't really blame Alex for it, right?
That's just a regular old lie.
If you believe that, if you are like, well, even though I know everything about rich people in the United States has always been exactly one thing, Maybe this time it won't be that thing.
I kind of think it's your fault now.
I think we're into the range of like, absolutely, he's lying.
But also, come on, buddy.
You should know that you can't actually eat a mushroom and grow six feet taller like Super Mario.
dan friesen
Well, that's what they say.
jordan holmes
See, that's what I'm saying.
Alex said that I could.
dan friesen
I think that there's a subtle thing that's going on here that's behind the lie, which we might be able to interrogate a little bit further.
But yeah, if you look back at this, and this is like 2018, and yeah, if he believed that, this is embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
But I don't think that he believed it.
I think he believed it would work.
I think he believed in the effectiveness of this, and maybe he was able to get himself, he worked himself into a shoot a little bit, as they say in wrestling.
But yeah, on paper, I don't think he believed that stuff.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, people can, what is it?
People love the truth.
If you can fake that, you got it made?
Something like that?
dan friesen
So here's another clip of Alex talking about Trump loving everybody succeeding.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
They call him 45.
unidentified
You want to stop tyranny?
Well, so does he.
Live from the Infowars.com studios, it's Alex Jones.
alex jones
Our species makes it a couple hundred years from now when we've got giant off world colonies, you name it, the face of the free market.
Humanity's gone to the next level.
We're living to be 500 years old.
We want to look back and say, Old 45, he delivered.
Donald Trump, Old 45.
Trump wants that name just like perfectly.
He needs to be known as Old 45.
There's two different philosophies.
The parasites don't want you free and empowered because they're scum and don't want to compete.
But then there's those that want renaissance and want to see everybody flourish and who get off on prosperity and success.
Hey, your wife's super beautiful.
Wow, you can play great music.
Wow, you're amazing.
You're a great writer.
I don't hate you because of that.
I admire you.
You add to the richness of our humanity.
That's why they hate Trump.
Trump, he's not out to get you.
dan friesen
He wants you to succeed.
jordan holmes
He's not out to, Trump, he's not out to get you.
dan friesen
Then Trump from his own mouth.
I love hanging out with losers because they make me feel good.
Because I can comparatively feel like I'm a winner.
Yeah.
I think that, okay, so there's two things that are going on here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
One is that Alex has just created this image of what the globalists are, which is that they get off on the idea that you're poor and that they're better than you.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And all Alex has done is imagine that Trump is the opposite.
Yep.
So he's created a fictitious character to project onto Trump that is just the opposite of what his imaginary villains are.
Yeah.
So that's going on.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
But Trump allows it.
And Trump, he makes it possible because he does hate poverty.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
He really does.
It's just not in a way that he wants to help you escape it.
unidentified
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
He hates poverty and the way that he wants to chase unhoused people off the street.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He wants to make it harder for you to exist and survive.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I imagine exterminating the poor is also hating poorness in its own way.
You know, like I hate the caste system, but only because I want to destroy all castes other than my own is not quite the same thing.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But now.
Here is the other twist.
Trump likes poor people existing.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He likes that because it makes him feel rich.
jordan holmes
How could you be rich if there were not poor?
dan friesen
Exactly.
jordan holmes
That is the conundrum.
dan friesen
He likes to hang out with losers because they make him feel better.
He likes the existence of destitute people struggling to get by because that makes his life luxurious.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Also, he likes sad, pathetic radio hosts who have to lie about how he's not the things that he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because he gets to be the things that he is while they have to lie about it.
Right.
That's sad.
unidentified
It is.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would want to hang out with those people, they would make me feel real cool.
I would be like, man, at least I'm not that guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a certain amount of this that is, you know, you look at it and be like, how could anybody have bought that?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, how could anyone have bought this notion of Trump as populist?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As like, he wants you to do better because then the free market will be thriving and we'll all live to 500 and go to space and we'll all remember old 45.
Like, who, like, I get Alex is a liar.
And it's a lie.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a lie that he's selling.
So it makes sense for him to be saying it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
The idea that anybody could have bought into this is fucking insane.
You know, like, I think that, okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Believing that Obama would save the world and bring peace to the extent that anybody believed that, right?
That was that's insane, right?
The Nobel Prize committee, but believing that he would do a decent job as president, not very reasonable, very rational.
jordan holmes
He's got a track record, we can follow up on his legislation.
He's probably going to be the same guy.
Not great, not the worst.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, believing that Trump would be a decent president is insane, it is truly insane.
And believing that Trump would bring about space colonies and this kind of shit.
Is equally insane.
Yeah.
They are the same.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would make the only people who voted right based upon the current situation are the people who are like, I think Trump is going to destroy the world.
dan friesen
Like accelerationists.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they nailed it.
They got it right.
dan friesen
Yeah, I remember a cab driver I had who was expressing that.
And I was like, well, I guess I can't argue with you.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you believe that's going to happen and you want it to happen, I suppose that is.
dan friesen
He brought up supporting Trump, and I smelled weed in the car.
I was like, something's not right here.
And then he explained that, like, yeah, I think that he's the guy who's going to bring this shit down the fastest.
I was like, well,.
I can't disagree with it.
I think that that's not a great thing to pursue.
Maybe.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Dangerous, certainly, but I can't agree with your premises.
jordan holmes
Sometimes it's an argument I don't want to have, not an argument that I can make.
dan friesen
So I just think there are some special moments sometimes when Trump is talking and the existence of him as a person and who he really is fundamentally punctures an illusion that Alex has worked a decade to build up and is crumbling right in front of his face.
Yeah.
And I think that the extent that anybody, no one's going to give Alex a pass.
And no one's going to be like, oh, great, you're against the Iran war now.
Welcome to the resistance, Alex Jones.
No one's going to do that.
But other figures are going to have a little bit more malleability.
They're going to have a little bit more fluidity.
And we have to not let that happen.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
We have to be mindful and vigilant of, like, This is the baggage that you will carry for the rest of your time.
You can't be credible.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, if we're just going to do one to one Nuremberg trials, Rubio's going up too, my man.
Sorry, buddy.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
You know, like there is a real one to one comparison between things people are doing.
Like, I get that this feels like Iran, but I bet Poland felt like Poland.
You know, like this is not the end.
We're not done.
unidentified
So.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And there's, you know, there is a feeling that I have that is, ah, shit, it's fucking insane that we've gotten to this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But the gift of the present and the gift of being in the time that is current is that you have a certain amount of agency.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
So whatever comes down the line isn't inevitable.
There is, I don't know what to do and I don't know what anybody can do.
So don't let me sit here and tell you, like, what.
You should be doing, or what anybody should.
We do live in a time where that doesn't have to happen.
The next steps don't have to happen.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But, yeah, you know, I was just thinking, I don't know if this is meaningful at all, but I was just thinking about like just the timing of things and where we are when we are when things happen.
And it's like, I don't think we would be where we are if Biden hadn't been defending the Palestinian genocide.
unidentified
Probably not.
jordan holmes
You know, like maybe we'd be in the Palestinian genocide.
Right now it would be happening.
Do you know what I mean?
And it's like, it is a question of, am I doing what I should be doing?
You don't know the result of what you're going to be doing.
So you can't make a real smart choice of, like, well, I know this is going to happen.
dan friesen
You can make as informed a decision as you can.
jordan holmes
And you have to believe that you're doing what you think is right, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
And.
dan friesen
I don't, it's a bad vibe.
jordan holmes
It's rough.
It's rough out there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we've come to the end of this little mini episode.
And I hope you all enjoy this little taste of Trump loving losers and Alex.
jordan holmes
A little amuse boosh.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
For what's going to be a more in depth Monday, I imagine.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yeah.
We're going to steamroll right through Alex having a crisis.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
A Rough Mini Episode 00:00:24
dan friesen
So you have that to look forward to.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight.com.
unidentified
Yup.
dan friesen
We're back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first name color.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
alex jones
I love you.
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