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Feb. 23, 2026 - Knowledge Fight
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#1119: February 21, 2026

#1119: February 21, 2026 dissects Alex Jones’ Epstein-linked conspiracy theories—from Prince Andrew’s arrest (alleging cannibalism and Satanism) to Trump’s refusal to distance himself from figures like Luttnick (accused of 9/11 insider trading) and Bannon (Epstein Island ties, "moon crickets" racism). Jones’ selective outrage and "lesser of two evils" framing expose his contradictions, while his normalization of pedophilia/Satanism claims for political gain reveals a troubling double standard. The episode underscores how conspiracy rhetoric often prioritizes spectacle over accountability, even when victims are real. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 16:37
d
dan friesen
28:44
j
jordan holmes
18:39
Appearances
t
thomas sisca
infowars 04:27
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Speaker Time Text
Knowledge Fight Returns 00:01:49
alex jones
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
alex jones
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge and fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
I need, I need money.
alex jones
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
unidentified
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Kansas.
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding it.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish and color over here today.
jordan holmes
I love your words.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
unidentified
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot is it's February in a spirit of tradition and graciousness.
I would love you to go first.
jordan holmes
Okay, I will go first.
I would say that my bright spot is that earlier today, my wife and I went to visit her mom's and we got to play with a puppy.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
My friend.
dan friesen
You have three at home.
jordan holmes
We do, but this one's even smaller.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jordan holmes
It's so small.
dan friesen
How tiny is it?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
It's so small.
And she was running around, jumping on everything.
I barked at her and it blew her fucking mind.
dan friesen
Did you think she didn't know barks yet?
jordan holmes
She didn't.
Not least of which she had never seen a man before because it's all lady rotation of people that she's seen.
So my bearded face blew her mind.
Then when I barked at her, she was like, ah, what just happened?
It was amazing.
dan friesen
Crazy.
jordan holmes
It was crazy.
dan friesen
I love that you get to probably see like wide-eyed excitement out of this puppy.
That's a beautiful.
Cherry Coke Confusion 00:03:10
dan friesen
You bottle that.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
A capitalionaire.
jordan holmes
They have no regard for life or limb.
Just absolute missile at everything.
dan friesen
How old are we talking of a dog here?
jordan holmes
Six months.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Or maybe five months, something like that.
dan friesen
Okay, so it's not like a week.
jordan holmes
It's not that small.
dan friesen
I was picturing teeny tiny.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
We get pictures of those things and those little rats.
dan friesen
They're so helpless and cute and so cute.
Just want to pet them.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bark at them.
jordan holmes
Yep.
So, what's your bright spot?
dan friesen
Well, I thought for today's bright spot, I could do a little roundup of some novelty things.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Novelty bullshit that I've tried.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So I tried a cherry, what is it?
Cherry float Coke.
jordan holmes
Cherry float Coke.
dan friesen
Cherry Float Coke Zero.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
Trash.
Yeah, that sounds impossible to make good.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was no good.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Lemon meringue MMs.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Lemon meringue pie.
jordan holmes
That's on the edge.
dan friesen
Yeah, they were fine.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
You know, it's too soft of a flavor for an MM, though.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You want something with a little bit more hit than a lemon.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then there was also a peanut butter cinnamon roll MM.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Which I thought was weird because I don't associate peanut butter and cinnamon roll.
jordan holmes
It's hard to imagine those two fitting together, but I'm intrigued.
dan friesen
Yeah, they were fine as a thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But like, I looked at it, it seemed forced.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The concept for the flavor.
jordan holmes
The peanut butter MM and the peanut MM are perfect constructions and need no changes or adjustments.
dan friesen
You don't want a little bit of cinnamon in there?
jordan holmes
I mean, you can put a little bit of cinnamon in there, but you know what it is?
It's a peanut butter MM with a little bit of cinnamon.
It's not like a peanut butter, cinnamon MM.
You'll never have a peanut butter, cinnamon, cinnamon, cinnamon, MM.
dan friesen
Yeah, it doesn't.
It's not helping things much.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's also a cherry chocolate cheesecake MM.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
But the store was out.
So I couldn't get those.
But it's a trio of new flavors.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
Yeah, so two of them were fine.
Third, TBD.
Cherry float coke stinks.
This has been the novelty bullshit report.
jordan holmes
You know, sometimes it's hard to go back and think MacGyver only had one flavor of Coke.
Well, two flavors if they still had new Coke around.
dan friesen
Well, the diet?
Is that a flavor?
jordan holmes
I suppose diet counts, yeah.
dan friesen
Cherry Coke came around at some point, but probably not by then.
jordan holmes
I mean, back then, I was still putting regular cherry into my coke.
dan friesen
You're putting a little syrup in it.
jordan holmes
I would put a little cherry syrup in there.
I would make my own cherry coke.
dan friesen
You're an innovator.
jordan holmes
I blew this world apart with my brilliance.
dan friesen
You should be a millionaire.
You invented cherry coke.
jordan holmes
I did.
I did.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think back, I don't remember there being as many soda flavors for sure.
Back then, it was pretty simple.
Everyone was so excited about the clear Pepsi.
Why Cherry Coke Matters 00:02:27
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
But it was still supposed to taste like Pepsi was just Pepsi or Diet Pepsi.
dan friesen
But then it was clear.
jordan holmes
And then it was clear.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, today we got an episode to go over.
unidentified
All right.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
We're going to be back in the present day today.
And I was going, I was looking around.
I'm seeing, hey, what's up?
Alex did a special Saturday episode on February 21st.
And I thought, great.
I love Saturday.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
Let's see how he's doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's great.
unidentified
I believe it.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to a bunch of cannibalism nonsense.
But first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
That's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, proud of Jess for completing her first semester of law school.
All the legal advice she's already been offering, we prove she's a natural, especially considering we live in different states.
From Ian, thank you so much, Jerry and Howe Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, praise the holy God Emperor of mankind.
Thank you so much, Jeron Howe Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And David, when you thought Sam and I ruined your relationship with your girlfriend in a dream, that was true.
We inceptioned you, sucka.
Thank you so much, Jeron Howe Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to, I get why you stopped doing it, but I really miss hearing Jordan go bop, bop, bop, bop with a daddy shark clip.
Can we get one for old time's sake?
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Depends on whether or not we press the right button.
dan friesen
I don't remember which is which.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
So here we go.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
I have risen above my enemies.
I might quit tomorrow, actually.
I'm just going to take a little break now.
A little breaky for me.
And then we're going to come back.
And I'm going to start the show over.
But I'm the devil.
I got to be taking off here.
unidentified
I'll be all this.
alex jones
Fuck you.
Fuck you.
I got plenty of words for you, but at the end of the day, fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit.
Maybe today should be my last broadcast.
Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years.
Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again.
Bop, I never want to come back here again.
I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air.
I'll be better tomorrow.
dan friesen
Bop, Yeah, I fit it in there.
Epstein Files Unveiled 00:11:06
dan friesen
So, yeah, no, you can't win them all.
Sometimes you get the wrong one.
jordan holmes
That's roulette for you, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we start off today.
There's big news that Alex needs to cover, and that is that Prince Andrew has been arrested.
And there's a lot of Epstein stuff going around.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of chaos.
Howard Luttnick is all over the Epstein files.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then also is maybe in some hot water after the Supreme Court ruled that the tariffs weren't good and maybe unconstitutional.
So Alex needs to get ahead of all this stuff.
And he does it the only way he knows how by talking about cannibalism, cannibalism, and adrenocrum.
unidentified
That works.
alex jones
It is Saturday, the 21st day of February 2026.
I am your host, coming to you from Deep in the Heart of Texas and the Alex Shones Network Backup Studios.
The entire globalist system is in free fall.
The arrest last week or this week of Prince Andrew shows the globalists they're not above the law.
And the House of Cards is coming down.
We now have Palace Gaughan.
Coming out and exposing the illegal activity.
The fact that the King of England's done this shows they're cutting and running.
He is more involved than even his brother in hardcore Satanism, cannibalism, Dodrenochrome, blood drinking.
I've been exposing this for 32 years.
There have been thousands of articles in the UK about it.
Jimmy Savelle, it's unbelievable.
dan friesen
So we're back to Pizzagate.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
Is real kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
How about that?
dan friesen
That's exciting.
We're doing this season all over again.
jordan holmes
I mean, I would say that for maybe, let's put it this way, for the common person, Pizzagate is more believable now than it was back in Pizzagate times.
dan friesen
Unfortunately.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying it is believable.
I'm just saying that relatively speaking to the current reality, that is less unreal than it used to be.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
That shows deterioration over time.
jordan holmes
It's not our fault.
dan friesen
So I also think it's fun.
You know, Alex is bringing up Jimmy Savelle.
Sure.
And I just re-watched The Bone Temple.
jordan holmes
How's that?
We did the same thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Couldn't, as soon as it was available, I had to watch it again.
And great.
jordan holmes
Fantastic movie.
dan friesen
My review holds up.
jordan holmes
Spectacular.
dan friesen
But I want to hear what Alex thinks about the Jimmys.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I really want to.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He's got to think like this is glorifying Savelle or something.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Some sort of like real psyop to get in your heads.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And in many ways, that's the most ambiguous part of the film is the like, are you fucking with me about Jimmy or what?
What are we doing here?
dan friesen
Well, I mean, from the standpoint of the character or from Danny Boyle.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
From Danny Boyle's point of view.
dan friesen
I guess more Alex Garland.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Wow, that's right.
Because of the sir, because it's Sir Lord Jimmy Crystal.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And we never address that he's wearing a famous Jimmy costume.
dan friesen
Yeah, but the world ended before Jimmy Savelle got outed as a horrible, horrible monster.
jordan holmes
Absolute chaos.
dan friesen
So Jimmy can't be fucking with you.
Alex could be.
jordan holmes
He could be.
dan friesen
There's a statement in there, but not from Jimmy.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Where he just thinks Jimmy Savelle is a good dude.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's like if he was wearing a Woody Allen outfit in the 60s, where you're like, I mean, if the world wouldn't know.
dan friesen
If there was a zombie outbreak in the 60s.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And there were the Woody.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
Anyway, I want Alex to watch that.
I want to review.
jordan holmes
Yep, absolutely.
dan friesen
So Alex is, you know, there's stuff coming out about Howard Luttnick.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And Alex remembers something.
Oh, shit.
He was involved in doing 9-11.
I totally forgot.
alex jones
And then you've got Howard Ludnick through his company and his sons betting against the tariffs that they would be rejected by the Supreme Court and buying up all of the insurance claims that could have been filed to potentially make billions and billions of dollars.
Absolutely wild.
Then I was reminded from an old interview, Max Kaiser from back on 9-11, that it was his company who did the record put options against the airlines days before as well.
He magically wasn't at work at the same company.
So this is bad, folks.
Absolutely out of control.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
I mean, you probably should have been more upset about the fact that he's Trump's Secretary of Commerce.
He knew about 9-11 ahead of time, is the argument Alex is making.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's my problem with that: I feel like that means that we could have handled it whenever it was just maybe the worst terrorist attack in all of history.
You know, that might be a problem that we could have dealt with.
But instead, we're going to wait until he's all over the Epstein files.
dan friesen
Sure.
I also don't think that Alex has a good handle on what it is that Howard Luttnick's accused of in terms of the tariff stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But who cares?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're not here for accuracy.
jordan holmes
He's not going to, it's never going to help.
dan friesen
No, but he did 9-11, and Alex has just mysteriously remembered this thing that he was supposed to, it's supposed to be the most important thing in his career.
jordan holmes
I just feel like you can't have done 9-11 and it just be a line item in your obituary.
You know, like, oh, he was a good dude.
He was a good father.
He was raised, you know, did 9-11.
He was also pretty good at stock tips, you know, like all that stuff.
Like, 9-11 feels real top billing.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think the problem is that Alex has accused pretty much everyone of doing 9-11.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
And so if, you know, if you're, it is a footnote.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Alex has accused them of it.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
One of many.
dan friesen
So the Epstein emails that have come out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a fair amount of stuff about hunting humans.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
There's the most dangerous game.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
All right.
There's so many places to go with the 3 million plus Epstein files that the DOJ made it as hard as they could to search.
They only let you search with each search 10 items.
That means it would take one person 100 years to go through it all, literally.
But because of human crowdsourcing, folks are digging through it.
And I'll go to bed at midnight and wake up at 4 a.m.
And there's thousands of things to look at.
The next more insane than the last.
But here's something I want to just focus in on right now because we have a lot of past on this.
If you look at the live show feed, what a headline.
Epstein files are full of the establishment globalist, so-called elites, discussing not just eating humans and drinking blood and sex slaves being delivered and satanic rituals, but hunting of humans.
New Epstein files talk about deranged elites hunting and killing humans, including groups of blacks referred to as moon crickets.
Man, I love how I'm learning new racist terms all the time for these files.
I mean, what the hell is that?
I'm told, you know what a moon cricket is?
Look online.
A moon cricket.
dan friesen
So here's what I want to say.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think Alex is sincere that he likes learning new slurs.
jordan holmes
I agree.
I agree.
And I mean, I do also, I share a little bit of perverse curiosity there as well, but not for the same reason.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the email that Alex is talking about, it'll come up a bit more over the course of this episode.
I don't know if it proves that anyone was hunting anybody.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But I do think they're racist.
I think that there's some racism that's definitely expressed.
jordan holmes
Strong belief there.
dan friesen
But, you know, I can never really get all that excited for these.
We've figured out the codes of like this means they're all hunting human.
jordan holmes
Let me, okay, let me combine these two things with you.
All right.
First off, I've said this before.
I've said it many times.
There has to be a clone out there, right?
We've got enough unethical people.
Somebody, yeah, somebody's cloned somebody out there.
Let's imagine there's a lot of clones.
Now, if we're using those clones for human hunting, is that okay?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Is that ethical human hunting?
dan friesen
Immediately, no.
jordan holmes
Immediately, no?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're not willing to entertain the thought that you can't have a soul.
dan friesen
Nope.
jordan holmes
Okay, fair enough.
dan friesen
Also, I wanted to move off this topic because I got excited about the idea of a clone temple bone temple.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, one would definitely lead to the other.
dan friesen
One would help.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
jordan holmes
It would at least build a higher tower.
dan friesen
Hunting of the clones would lead to bones.
This is poetry.
jordan holmes
That is.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex discusses how there's a rich history in the world of rich people hunting people.
alex jones
Yep.
I'm going to move quick here so we can get to it all.
Yeah, there's a bunch of this stuff.
And you've got all these witnesses telling the FBI decades ago and years ago about being hunted at Zaro Ranch, hunted at Epstein Island.
And then you've got Kathy O'Brien talking about it.
Then you've got UN reports.
And when the UN has been caught hunting, setting up human hunting parties decades ago, my first film, America Destroyed by Design, made in 96.
I made it recent, early 97.
That's 29 years ago.
We talk about the UN and show news articles back then, expecting the corporate news was better.
They were still controlled, but they got some truth out about the UN having these hunting parties for humans in Africa.
Well, look at this.
BBC, Italy investigates claims of tourists paying to shoot civilians in Bosnia in the 1990s.
It's not claims.
It's all well documented.
dan friesen
So at this point, I'm imagining that Alex is regretting making such a big deal out of one battle after another and civil war.
Those movies seemed so in line with his storyline that he forgot about the hunt, the one about the elites paying to hunt people that was supposed to be super anti-Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex's audience lost interest in that movie pretty quickly.
If he'd stuck with that, it would have been a gamble, but it would be paying off big right now.
I thought the fact that the rich people paying to kill civilians in Bosnia coming up was super interesting, given the fact that we've been back in 2006 covering Milosevic's death and Alex's response to it.
One of the reasons that this is bizarre is the article Alex is reporting on from the BBC is about very rich people paying Serb forces to let them come to their fortified positions and shoot civilians.
These were the Serb forces that were aligned with Milosevic, who Alex thought didn't do anything wrong.
I believe this could have happened, but I'm not sure.
The bigger point, though, is that Alex is certain that this did happen, and he doesn't even realize that the atrocity he's trying to pin on the globalists was being carried out by the side he was pretending was opposing the globalists back then because there's no continuity and nothing means anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
Rich People Paying for Murder 00:02:44
unidentified
Woof.
jordan holmes
That is a coincidence.
That is him suddenly bringing that up is a coincidence and I don't appreciate it.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
It makes me feel very uncomfortable.
dan friesen
It's the return of my witch.
jordan holmes
I don't like that at all.
No, thank you.
No, thank you.
dan friesen
So, you know, the elites, they do this kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
I think they did it in the purge, too.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Well, I think they did it in one of the purges.
Yeah, at least one of the purges, there were human hunts.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, for sure.
For sure.
And some of them were like unofficial hunts.
People just get together and hunt.
jordan holmes
I think it's, I think, here's my theory on it.
I think it's overblown as a fun activity.
I don't think it would be that much fun to hunt a human.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
But they do stuff like this in order to test initiates.
unidentified
Sure.
Right.
Sure.
dan friesen
They want to see if you're willing to do it.
Would you go hunt a human?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And then Alex makes a dumb comparison.
alex jones
Let's start plowing into this.
Okay, let's get into this first big subject now.
With the poison shots, with the 5G, with the transgenderism, with everything they do, it's about we're animals, we're slaves, we're garbage, they control us.
And it's about going through the establishment, going through the different systems of academia, military, law enforcement, culture, banking, and finding people that will do horrible, evil stuff.
And I've used this example many times because it's on record.
Why do they have horrible medical experiments on animals that are pointless?
Fauci does that for decades and decades.
The latest was hundreds and hundreds of beagles, larynxes removed, chained down with a bag over their head with flesh-eating worms.
It's just to see if the medical staff will do it.
It's a test.
It's like gangs have.
Go kill a liquor store owner, go rape a girl, MS13, do a satanic ritual.
It's to see if you'll do horrible things and have dirt on you.
jordan holmes
Nurses also do those things?
alex jones
Right of passage.
To get you to fully commit to evil, so they've got your soul and they've got your ass.
What does Emperor Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith say to Darth Vader?
He's just become Darth Vader, but his eyes haven't turned yellow yet.
That's the archetype.
It's a metaphor.
He says, go to the Jedi Temple and kill all the young people.
jordan holmes
Is it a metaphor?
alex jones
Will you be strong enough in the dark side to save me?
They're telling you how this all works.
They're telling you how this thing operates.
dan friesen
Okay, so no, but also, Emperor Palpatine didn't want Anakin to kill the Jedis as a test to see if he would do bad stuff.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
He wants the Jedi dead.
jordan holmes
The Jedi being dead is like a huge thing for the Sith.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
They're all about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Darth Vader's Order 00:15:19
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's not like just random crime to see if your soul is corruptible.
It was critical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and actually also very dangerous.
It's not like, oh, go kill a helpless person.
These people also have lightsabers.
dan friesen
And less dangerous when it's the children.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I think that's what made that scene particularly horrifying.
jordan holmes
I'm with you, but I don't know.
I feel like 30 children with lightsabers should probably win that fight.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
You know what?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Lightsabers are a crazy force equalizer.
jordan holmes
Right?
Even if, okay, I guess maybe if he could just like throw them all at the same time, then it's like, well, fine.
You know, you've got too much force powers.
But if we're just like, why even open up your lightsaber if you're going to throw them all away?
And they've got like 30 little lightsabers.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
But whatever the case, it was a test.
And so this metaphor doesn't work.
I think he just wanted to do the voice.
jordan holmes
Yep, that does sound right.
dan friesen
So it's unfortunately time to deal with the elephant in the room.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Trump.
And the fact that, man, he won't stop making this about himself.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's probably not smart.
dan friesen
And won't stop telling people that they should shut up about it.
jordan holmes
That's not smart either.
alex jones
Here's Trump, again, always making it about him.
Because, yeah, they're bringing out the Epsy to try to get Trump.
We've never seen him involve in any of the crime.
But by extension, the DOJ is covered up, slow-rolled, obfuscated, told us there's no new documents, and there are all these new documents.
But here's Trump again saying, well, I'm not in it.
I'm not bad.
So let's just move on.
unidentified
No.
alex jones
Ludnick lived next door.
Ludnick's in all these businesses.
Ludnick, now he learns on the island a whole bunch.
Ludnick lied.
Now we know Ludnick wrote your executive order.
And Kavanaugh said it's constitutional what you did, but he wrote the executive order wrong on the tariffs.
Now we learn they bought up all of the insurance policies on the $175 billion on the tariffs that have been overturned, 80% of them.
And his family, they're Counter Fitzgerald, same ones that bet on the airlines plunging a week before 9-11.
He was out of the World Trade Center that day.
His employees weren't.
dan friesen
So this all sounds worse than anything else that I've heard him accuse politicians of being involved in.
I mean, like, he's painting a picture of Trump as like, this fucking dude sucks, right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
There's no other way to describe it.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
And the closeness, again, with somebody who knowingly did 9-11 seems wild to me considering the amount of anti-9-11 problems we have.
dan friesen
Well, and how many cool people Trump has around him advising him and how much Trump knows about the new world order and all that stuff.
This seems like a real mistake he shouldn't be possible to make.
jordan holmes
And how many of those people were definitely not his own appointees who he chose specifically, thus giving himself some sort of responsibility as well for their actions?
They're just random people who walked in off the street.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I think that Alex really is in a negative place with Trump.
Now, don't get me wrong.
He still loves him.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, he's 92% maybe the best thing that's ever happened to this entire earth.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But this all sounds really bad.
Like, this guy won't, like, every single fucking time it comes up, he's defensive.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Every single time.
And he tells people to move on.
No, come on, man.
jordan holmes
Wow.
It's almost like if somebody brings up Sandy Hook, he says the exact same shit every fucking time and asks people to stop talking about it.
dan friesen
Almost like a very strong sense of projected guilt.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, well.
unidentified
Huh.
dan friesen
So Alex realizes that this is pretty obvious to everybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he also is like, I'm not going to stop supporting Trump.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
So he tries to over-intellectualize his position.
jordan holmes
I like it.
alex jones
So here's Trump.
Again, look, I'm explaining this.
And people that hate Trump don't get it.
People that love Trump don't get it.
And I think you're smart, so I'm explaining this real slowly.
It's a scale.
Yes, Trump is way, way better with getting us out of the U.N. carbon tax that will save billions of lives and finding half the missing kids that the Democrats shipped in for sex slavery and slave labor and all the other great things take an hour and a half to go through.
jordan holmes
Didn't take you very long to get through those.
alex jones
A big arm of the globalists hate his ass, but he's brought in a bunch of bad people.
They're not prosecuting any of the bad guys to speak of.
Andrew's been arrested over there, but nothing over here.
The DOJ tells us Epstein action alone, go to sleep.
They've put Islam Maxwell in the nicest federal prison in the country here in Texas with their own companion animal.
jordan holmes
These are a list of evidentiaries.
alex jones
No, we're not moving on, and we're not the Democrats that will do whatever the party says.
We are the populists using the Republicans to try to get the Republic back.
And Trump wrote it on that way.
So I will expose Trump for this, but I'll also spend most of my time on the Democrats what they're up to.
They hope to just only have making about Trump.
No, we'll expose Trump and we'll expose you as well.
But the white pillars say, oh, you're undermining Trump.
No, these actions are in the whole country.
The black pillars are either Democrats or they just say, we're all doomed, screw Trump.
No, I support Kennedy.
I support Tulsi.
Yeah, I support good Republican candidates.
They're light day and night compared to Democrats.
jordan holmes
Sure.
alex jones
And I will hang this whole thing around the Democrats and leftist parties worldwide because they're the ones at the center of it.
And I will then say, but Trump is joining in on it.
See that?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
I see.
dan friesen
He's just trying to overcomplicate and make it sound more like defensible to have a lesser of two evils position.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Even then, you're like, I'm going to keep up with the Democrat.
You've won.
You've argued your case perfectly, and it's an anti-Trump case.
Even including all the stuff that the Democrats are evil with, I think they're right around the same.
Right?
And that's you saying it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're saying they're exactly the same.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that Trump is like willingly covering it up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that last part where he said, and he's working with the globalists too, should tell you all you need to know.
dan friesen
It seems like it should be disqualifying, but it's not if it's just like, hey, would you rather have AOC?
Would you rather you have Kamala?
jordan holmes
You know, I wonder if it is actually a good policy position for the Democrats to have no presence whatsoever, right?
Because then it's like, I don't know, maybe I do want them.
I don't know what they're doing at all.
What you have told me sounds maybe true, but also it sounds like a cartoon supervillain.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I mean, like, if, yeah, if they're doing nothing and everything is super, duper bad.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
I choose nothing.
I'll choose total.
I will choose ineffectual losers 100% of the time compared to this, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, I guess.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is in this position where he's like, fuck, this is all real guilt stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is bad.
It looks bad.
I can't go along with Trump doing this.
But also, like, what do you do?
Like, if your dad kills someone, do you snitch?
alex jones
And I'm watching all the good Trump's doing and just going, but I have a moral responsibility that my dad's the greatest guy ever.
Never saw him, you know, anything criminal or bad or whatever.
But let's just say, hypothetically, that I go visit my dad next week and he's burying a dead body in the backyard.
And I'm going to find out: was that a good person or a bad person?
Now, if he had some reason to do it, I think it was moral, maybe I'll cover up my dad, but it's not going to happen anyways.
The point is, I would not go along with it.
dan friesen
Okay, it sounds like you might go along with it.
jordan holmes
It feels like you've just said you probably go along with it based upon the way that you've talked about stuff like this before.
dan friesen
If your dad convinces you it was a bad person and that it's a justified kill, you might go along with this.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maybe not.
What does this mean?
jordan holmes
You know, the problem for a lot of people is not deciding in advance whether or not they would do it.
Even in this situation, being indecisive seems unhelpful.
And this is a hypothetical.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's an attempt at a metaphor.
I think he failed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he failed pretty hard.
dan friesen
I think he's trying to say that he would snitch on his dad.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Because it's like, well, yeah, you just can't go along with these kinds of things.
jordan holmes
But he hedged his bets in the middle of it.
dan friesen
Yeah, he did.
Yeah.
And I think that that wishy-washy, waffle-y feeling is really what this episode, like, it just makes you feel.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, there's this, ah, fuck, Trump is doing all this terrible stuff, but I can't really do anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he starts talking about stuff.
jordan holmes
I'd help my dad cover up a dead body.
Totally.
dan friesen
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if I would.
But what about Steve Bannon?
jordan holmes
Oh, well, that one's easier to.
dan friesen
Alex is a little bit on the fence about Steve.
alex jones
Now, let's be clear.
Trump knows a lot more than he's letting on.
If you look back, that's too much.
Five years ago, he said sloppy Steve Bannon has got an Epstein problem.
I saw that email again this relationship statement again today.
And I like Steve Bannon.
He's very smart.
I haven't spoken about it yet because it's going to be a deep dive and I'm going to do it in a few days and really tell you what's going on there.
But why is Trump saying he's got an Epstein problem?
And now the email's been released of them buying him a plane ticket to get to the island.
And Steve needs to respond to that.
But I could look at everything in there and I know what was going on.
And I'm going to not defend Steve and not attack Steve.
I'm just going to state the facts.
Steve Bannon has moved the needle against the globalists big time.
And in these emails, he's overthrowing the Labor Party, getting the Brexit people in, and he's working with Epstein.
You're like, what is that?
He's, you know, because Epstein was the real head of the Trilateral Commission.
Now, I don't put on the Ring of Mordor.
I don't go to D.C., I don't go to New York.
I can do all that.
I've had these groups try to meet with me, all that stuff over the years.
I've met with some of them off record, not Everton Epstein, but you know, people and said, no, I'm not for sale.
But the point is, is that Bannon was never for sale.
He was a Hollywood producer and a stock guy, and he got into the system because he was really a politico.
He's really smart.
But again, he put the ring of mortar on, and I would never, you know, do that.
dan friesen
Sure.
So I think that it just feels like ambivalent.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a like, okay, obviously Steve is way more involved in some shit than I really want.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At the same time, he's really important and he's a big figure in my media space.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is trying to set up this position where it could go either way.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Where he could burn Steve Bannon or he could come up with a reason why he's totally fine.
And that middle ground shit is just like, it is no good.
jordan holmes
No, especially not now.
dan friesen
Not from the tip of the spear.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
And I think we should be in full the old joke, right?
I'm Derek the Gardener.
I've been a gardener for 20 years.
They don't call me Derek the Gardener.
You fuck one goat and you're Derek the goat fucker for life, that kind of thing.
And it's like, yeah, I don't care what you've done.
You went to Epstein Island.
dan friesen
And as Alex even points out himself, you lied about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
For a reason.
People lie for a reason.
People don't just lie about it because it would be a delightful time.
They lied about it because you went to Epstein Island and you lie about that shit.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, he's got to do something.
Like this kind of positioning that he's trying to do is fucking dumb.
And it's embarrassing for someone who pretends to be like his own man like Alex.
It just, it feels, it feels trapped.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And the British are, and again, it's, it's so stupid how Trump is doing it because the British are doing it right, right?
People want a head, at least.
People want heads to roll.
So you give them a head.
Listen, you think Prince Andrew is the only person up there in the royal family who's had a good time?
No, absolutely not.
But fuck that guy.
Heads got to roll.
Get out of here, right?
You got to give him one.
And then you can hide the rest of them.
dan friesen
Maybe.
Maybe.
So what Trump is doing instead is just being like, I think I'm going to cover this stuff up.
jordan holmes
See, that's the problem.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
Give him a hat.
dan friesen
And even for Alex, it's a problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Now he said it in the Bannon interview.
Only two hours of 60 hours now when it was released.
Because the FBI already had that.
Ben didn't release it.
He was the standard Dave Rockefeller, the head of the Friday Commission.
Let that sink in for you.
So what Water is doing a great job in that report, five minutes, all dead on.
But the rest of the story is, why is Trump saying it'll hurt America if we keep focusing on this?
Let's move on.
Why are you connecting yourself to something that I've known about before anybody covering on air?
Why are you doing it?
unidentified
Fuck!
alex jones
Because I will not be part of the cover-up by not exposing what you're doing, Trump.
Well, I'm not implicated, so it's fine.
Let's move on.
Bullshit.
Fuck.
dan friesen
Seems mad.
jordan holmes
I mean, he's in a tough position.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
Because when you ask a question like, why?
And you already know the answer, right?
Then you're asking, why is it so hard to come up with a plausible lie about this?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And if it's so hard to come up with a plausible lie, you're fighting from the back of the end zone, man.
They've already called a safety.
You're not getting out of there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's not asking, like, why is Trump acting this way?
It's more, God, why is it so hard for me to defend this?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Because I'm not not going to.
jordan holmes
Give me something real good, right?
Give me something good that I can carry over this because, man, I got no options.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This feels like something weird that you'd think, oh, this is a good thing to broadcast.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, because it does seem like somebody who's just like in crisis about something that everyone understands where he's situated.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
He's not going anywhere and he's going to whine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, don't have a crisis about this on air.
Talk to a therapist about it or something.
jordan holmes
Something.
dan friesen
And do your job.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Anyway, that's just the feeling that I get is that he feels trapped as shit.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah.
alex jones
Holy mackerel.
And those that bitch at me saying, well, why have you supported Trump so far?
They pulled out of the Paris Accord.
According to the actuaries, it'll save 2 million people.
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alex jones
They found half the kids.
The Democrats shipped in half a million.
I don't find any real stuff he's doing.
jordan holmes
That's the tone of voice of somebody who's talking.
alex jones
It's got to be so good for me.
I had the Globalists offer to drop the lawsuits if I don't support him.
People say, oh, you've been paid off to support Trump.
No, I'm not shit from Trump.
Except grief.
dan friesen
So this sounds like a guy who just can't justify the position he knows he has to sell to the audience.
It's a foregone conclusion that he has to support Trump.
And that position is becoming harder and harder to defend as Trump continues to act like a piece of shit and do things that Alex knows he's supposed to hate.
It's really hard to hear a clip like that and not suspect that Alex's support for Trump isn't authentic.
He just yelled a string of obscenities about how he's not going to go along with Trump's Epstein cover-up.
And then to justify why he supports Trump, Alex pulls out these two examples.
The first is getting out of the Paris Accords, which he claims will save 2 billion lives.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That number is made up by his climate lunatic friends like Lord Moncton and has no bearing on reality.
Trump left the agreement in his first term, then Biden rejoined it, and Trump left it again.
In the meantime, most of the rest of the world has stayed in the agreement, and we will rejoin it as soon as Trump isn't in office.
The second example he has is finding all these missing kids, which is really just a fake story.
During a run-up to the election, Alex and the folks in his media space pretended that hundreds of thousands of kids who came across the border were missing.
And because that story was fake to begin with, who cares if you make up the conclusion to it?
These kids weren't missing.
So Alex can say that they're just all secretly getting found and chalk it up as a big Trump success.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
The only stuff Alex can really point to when he needs to balance Trump's very obvious Epstein cover-up shit are fake or old stories that don't mean anything.
I don't know if he thinks that this sounds convincing, but I find it hard to believe that he could.
I think he has to realize this is thin shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, how can you not?
You've been trapped on the smallest of planks.
You're on the smallest of planks.
Everybody, all the pirates are looking at you like, buddy, fucking jump.
We can't do this all goddamn day.
You're going to go into that water.
So just jump.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And the longer you refuse to, the more it just becomes like, it's painfully obvious that something's up here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's not all just Epstein stuff that Trump is mad or Alex is mad at Trump about.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's also, you remember the frogs are how they're turning gay and all that stuff?
Chemicals in the water?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Trump loves it.
alex jones
Ooh, the good news is the Great Awakenings here.
The good news is populists are winning everywhere.
The good news is Trump just rode in our wave.
We'll take the good, the good people.
Kennedy, you know, Homan, Gabbards will support all that.
But he's out there giving liability protection to glyphosate now because they've been exposed, murdering everybody and Roundup.
So it just, it's just Trump at 79 is in la la land.
And that's fine.
jordan holmes
No, it's not.
alex jones
Democrats will focus on him because this is this is our dog of the fight.
But remember, they're 10 times more guilty on record.
So let's focus on them.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not focus on the guy who's in la-la land.
Great.
So it's not even that Trump has given liability protection to glyphosate producers.
He signed an executive order boosting production of it and protecting it as a national security priority.
unidentified
Cool.
dan friesen
So what happened here is that Bayer is the only company in the United States that produces glyphosate, and they're in some big lawsuits accusing the product of causing cancer.
They recently proposed an approximately $7 billion settlement for the case, but were also clear that if they had to pay that off, they probably couldn't afford to continue production in the United States, and it would likely all go to China.
Trump's in a position where the Robert Kennedy Jr. types in his base absolutely demand that he get rid of glyphosate.
And that demand has been a big part of Alex's career for decades.
But simultaneously, he has a big company with ties to all sorts of production that will probably take their business elsewhere if Trump goes through with that, which would look really bad for the economy.
He's in a no-win situation because he loves big business, but also has an audience full of idiots who believe passionately in conspiracy shit.
Trump's in a bind there.
No matter what he does, one side is going to be pissed.
And it would be helpful for folks like Alex to take notice that when these kinds of no-win situations come up, Trump seems to always side with the big business interests.
jordan holmes
It's weird how that works.
dan friesen
I don't know if it's a coincidence.
jordan holmes
You know, the way I see it, right?
If we're here, all right, you can go full China, you know, say you're the president for life, and then just nationalize Bayer.
Just like arrest all those executives, put them in jail for a while, take Bayer, then let him out, and then say Bayer is yours again.
And surprise, you're not going anywhere.
Isn't that crazy how that works?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know if you could do that because I think Bayer is a foreign company.
jordan holmes
You know, the thing about doing stuff when you're a dictator.
dan friesen
You really never know what you can get away from.
jordan holmes
You really never know until you do it.
dan friesen
It's true.
I mean, hey, it's an option.
jordan holmes
You know, it is interesting the idea of being beholden to large business interests while at the same time being theoretically the most powerful man in the world.
The idea of being like, hey, bud, if you don't like glyphosate, we'll take our business to China.
What are you going to do about that?
unidentified
Nothing.
Right?
dan friesen
It's also really funny to have like, you know, all of this big business need to like have all these numbers that show that the economy is good for your own like sense of self.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then also have an audience that are the most self-deluded fucking idiots who think they're counterculture.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
And it's even wilder to know that you can make the, for what you want, you can do.
You want those numbers to be good.
There is good governance available to make those numbers happen, but you can't do that because you have to make those numbers happen by doing the insane shit that will never make those numbers happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
It's fun.
jordan holmes
It's a bind.
dan friesen
It's fun for us to live with.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of people who are implicated by the Epstein emails and stuff.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And there's one person who you need to know is not.
And that is Elon Musk.
alex jones
So here is, pretty sure he's real.
Damon Sachs called out Reid Hoffman.
There's like a fly on shit in all this for blaming Trump with Elon.
With Elon, there is nothing there.
And Elon's one that came out in June and said Trump is in the file.
That's why he's covering up.
And boy, what are they suppressing?
It's a big question.
dan friesen
I don't want to play games here, and it's obvious that Alex is just a hack liar, but I don't know if we've talked about Elon's emails with Epstein on the show, so I just wanted to share this.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
In November 2012, Epstein was inviting Elon to the island and offering a helicopter for transportation.
And Elon replied, What day/slash night will the wildest party on your island?
To be clear, that was in 2012, well after he'd gone to jail for the first time.
And Elon Musk was specifically trying to plan out a visit to his island based on when the wildest party would be.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Then on Christmas Day, Elon emailed Epstein, Do you have any parties planned?
I've been working to the edge of sanity this year, and so once my kids head home for Christmas, I really want to hit the party scene in St. Bart's or elsewhere and let loose.
The invitation is much appreciated, but a peaceful island experience is the opposite of what I'm looking for.
My point is that Elon really desperately wanted to get some wild partying in with the confected convicted sex criminal.
It's very funny that Elon acted this way.
And even more funny than Alex is pretending that none of that is real.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Ha ha.
jordan holmes
You know, here's the problem with those emails, right?
Horrible if followed through on.
Even more disgusting if not.
Think about the man's mindset whenever he's sending that email to fucking Jeffrey Epstein.
He's imagining what he's going to do.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, he's saying I need it to be fucking crazy.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Look, I know that you're Jeffrey Epstein, but I'm not flying out there if it's not fucked up.
If it's not a great party.
jordan holmes
The idea that he is putting out there is I want to do real crimes.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
I want to do actual things that cannot be done off an island because of laws.
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
jordan holmes
I want to be in international waters so I can do shit that people don't even dream is possible.
dan friesen
Yeah, I want to do Andy Daly character shit.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Something that one of those go out in international waters that much?
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jordan holmes
I don't know, buddy.
dan friesen
There's that other guy who goes out in the international waters.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
But yeah, I think it's such a sad look.
Like, it's basically disgusting.
jordan holmes
It's basically, yeah.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
And I understand if it's like a cool person that you're like, hey, man, I'd love to come to one of your parties where all the brightest thinkers get together and talk literature in an Algonquin roundtable or whatever.
But when you're emailing Jeffrey Epstein about wild parties in 2012, we know what you want, man.
jordan holmes
For all the fucking Pizzagate interpretation bullshit, this is as explicit as you can possibly get that this man might actually hunt humans.
If the party is that kind of party, then he'll hunt a person.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, if you don't, you're weird.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
And also he'll blackmail you.
dan friesen
And you're going to be the one hunted.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is true.
dan friesen
You know?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got to join the hunt part if it's an option.
dan friesen
So I, oh boy, we're in dire straits with employees.
jordan holmes
Because we get money for nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They do, for sure.
No chicks for free, but money for nothing.
jordan holmes
Money for nothing.
dan friesen
Definitely.
So we have Chase gone.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Owens gone.
Harrison's desperate to not be known.
jordan holmes
He's non-existent.
I mean, even if he's there, he's not there.
dan friesen
And so we have Thomas, who we met not too long ago on an episode.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
And I just regret to tell you that he's back.
And the second half of Alex's show is him talking to Thomas about his research into these emails.
alex jones
Thank you for joining us on this live Saturday transmission.
Our great researchers, including Thomas Suskin, have now dug out even more shocking documents on the front lines of the information war.
It's Alex of hunting humans, including groups of black people.
So we're going to hit that and the latest updates on that.
And then the insider trading caught red-handed with Howard Ludnick, which they're trying to spin.
So Thomas, you really prepared for this one, trying to give you the floor.
We got some clips.
You're in command.
Let's roll this out.
thomas sisca
So these emails in the Epstein docs are showing that they're talking about hunting humans.
And this one right here is specifically talking about hunting blacks.
It's very peculiar because there's no sender on it.
There's not even a redaction.
They've taken the whole sender name off.
And it's very mysterious, if you will.
But it says the snipe hunt is over.
Moon crickets in field bag.
And moon crickets is an old racial slur for blacks for slaves that would work overnight.
And then he says, guess what?
And he drops a hard R right here.
That's Epstein here.
alex jones
And people say, oh, well, what's the big deal?
We have even the BBC admitting these big globalist groups and organizations in Bosnian war zones doing these hunting things.
This comes up over and over again, but give us the latest.
dan friesen
So he brings that up again, which is top of mind for him in a strange way that, again, I'm uncomfortable with.
But yeah, I think I looked at this email, and I would say it seems pretty racist, but I don't think it necessarily is proof of hunting humans.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm fascinated by humans in a lot of ways, but this is maybe one of the biggest for me because it's very pervasive throughout, I would say, the world, right?
One of those racial slurs means the other racial slur.
And one of those racial slurs means the other racial slur.
Yet somehow one of those racial slurs can be spoken, but the other racial slur cannot be spoken.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I find it fascinating that the meaning of those words is irrespective of the way they are treated.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
And I think that for people like Alex, who are so big on like tearing down the walls of PC, it is strange that they would treat them differently.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Huh.
Anyway, I just think that Thomas is just green.
He's inexperienced.
He's not good.
jordan holmes
No, he's terrible on Mike.
Like, that is real bad.
dan friesen
The emails have revealed proof of hunting humans.
jordan holmes
Tempo is bad.
Like, the number of breaks are bad.
Like, listen, we're all um people from time to time, but even then, you got to get it in the rhythm.
You got to get it in the tone.
This dude is falling apart.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So they get to a little bit of riffing about how they interpret the emails.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And that's a lot of fun.
unidentified
Sure.
thomas sisca
So, yes, this has been going on for a long time that it's always been talked about that these hunts happen very similar to like a private ranch where you'd have turkeys running around and they're all enclosed in a place where they can't escape.
So they would take humans that maybe didn't want to be raped anymore and were starting to fight.
And then they'd say, all right, we're going to send you out in the field and we'll have our last little fun with you.
jordan holmes
That's the story.
thomas sisca
They called it the most dangerous game.
And then we have another email here from the Rothschild, Arian Day Rothschild says, thrilling hunt, amazing, old male, amazing hunt.
Bankers should be careful.
alex jones
So they're probably killing some globalists that made them mad.
They'll also.
And again, this is in so many cultures, so much documents.
This always comes out.
dan friesen
Well, we solved that one.
So it was the bankers they were hunting?
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
What?
jordan holmes
An old male was getting hunted.
dan friesen
Banker.
jordan holmes
See, this is the problem with the most dangerous game.
That doesn't feel very dangerous.
dan friesen
An old banker?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I feel like I feel like, listen, I've never even hunted a non-human thing.
I think I could hunt an old banker.
I think I can handle that one.
dan friesen
You know, I think there's a range of old bankers.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Some probably are a little craftier than others.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking the word crafty could be applied to an old banker.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
You know, someone might have been in the service.
jordan holmes
They've probably got contacts.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
But I mean, we're on the island in this hunt, I imagine.
alex jones
Yeah, you got it.
jordan holmes
We're not like in, we're not like in an urban setting.
dan friesen
No, no, that's true.
But you could improvise a fair amount of sharp things in the island.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I feel like the problem with hunting another person is that person is kind of able to hunt you back.
You know, and they know where you are.
dan friesen
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that this is dumb.
And I looked at the email that they're talking about, and I see no evidence that this is indicating that they hunt people.
jordan holmes
It's very racist.
dan friesen
Not this one.
jordan holmes
Oh, not this one.
dan friesen
The other one was.
jordan holmes
The other one was racist.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
This one was just about an old male or something and a thrilling hunt and bankers.
unidentified
It's weird.
dan friesen
It doesn't say anything.
Like the Elon emails are complete thoughts.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I want to do a wild party with you at your island.
These are not complete thoughts.
They reference something and you don't know what it is.
And Alex has just decided what it is.
jordan holmes
Do you think they hunt on horseback?
dan friesen
How are you going to get the horses to the island?
jordan holmes
I mean, hold on.
They have yachts that are bigger than fucking.
Cereal As Code 00:09:29
dan friesen
True.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So they have the capability to get horses there.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Are they horse riders, though?
dan friesen
Here's what I would say.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
If they're going through the trouble to bring horses for the sake of an equestrian experience for the hunt.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I think they're going to go farther.
Like a dragon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You think so?
dan friesen
Yeah, why not?
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
They're rich.
They got dragons.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That does sound right.
dan friesen
Or like a big cat or something like that.
jordan holmes
You know, I don't think cats have strong, like their spines aren't strong enough to hold a human.
You can't ride them.
dan friesen
You're the person who's saying that there's a clone out there somewhere.
They could genetically modify a big cat to a stronger back.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm saying, though.
Once you're genetically modifying a big cat with a stronger back, there's more to reach for than just hunting humans.
Now you can genetically modify humans to hunt.
dan friesen
True.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
See, this is what's in the email.
jordan holmes
When you really get down to it, when you just get down to it, this is what you figure out.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Thomas has figured out some more code and good on him.
I'm proud of the boy.
thomas sisca
We have another email here that seems to be coded with the same Rothschild that says, I have your cereal can talk tonight around 2200.
So cereal seems to be another coded word.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
thomas sisca
And cereal actually in Latin is the word for sacrifice.
It's belief ramonious or sacrificious.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
thomas sisca
The old world, the Romans and the Greeks, they would have sacrifices built around their crops and their cereal crops, their grains.
So, you know, every year when they would go to have their crops, they would have a sacrifice.
And so the fact that she's saying cereal here could mean that this is a code for a sacrifice.
I have your sacrifice ready.
We can talk about it tonight.
jordan holmes
Could.
thomas sisca
I mean, why?
alex jones
The Africans, the Middle Easterners, the Romans, the Asians, the Mesoamericans, they all did sacrifice around the harvest.
dan friesen
Okay, so what?
So like other cultures in the past have had sacrifices around a harvest to the god of agriculture or whatever.
Doesn't mean that cereal means sacrifice in a fucking email that you read that plausibly could be about cereal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Several thousand years before Wikipedia, people were more interested in sacrifice-based weather changing.
Now, not so much.
dan friesen
Not at all.
jordan holmes
It's been a while.
It's been a while since you've been able to change the weather with the sacrifice.
dan friesen
I get the tenuous connection that he's making.
jordan holmes
I suppose.
dan friesen
No, I get it.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, no.
unidentified
Draw it.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I see what you're saying.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
It's not like there is no A to B to C to be right.
It's just silly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's stupid.
This connection, oh, the word cereal here, oh, in Latin, cereal looks a lot like sacrifice.
And people would make sacrifices of grains for the harvest.
Therefore, Epstein and this Rothschild person are using cereal as code for sacrifice.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
I will take my doctorate.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'll say about that, right?
If I can imagine myself in the shoes of the person coming up with said slang, right, and introducing that to another person and then explaining it, if they go, that's a stretch.
Then I feel like it probably didn't happen the way that, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I need at least like a bunch of examples.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Not just this one that he's throwing out.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Kind of makes him sound dumb.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it's fewer letters than honey nut.
dan friesen
True.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Thomas seems to be wanting to congratulate himself for really covering this story that no one else can.
alex jones
Even though I knew about this decades ago, 30-something years ago from Teddy Gunnerson, I still can't believe it.
Let me just stop you.
What for you, because you've always super informed, great guy, do a great job.
What is it like to see it being confirmed that went out in the open?
This is a big moment.
I don't think any of us, including myself, realize the moment in history we're in.
This is the great reveal.
This isn't going anywhere.
thomas sisca
It just shows the arrogance.
I mean, for us to be the ones that are highlighting this and going over this every day and saying they're killing kids.
They're killing kids.
They're doing satanic rituals.
And, you know, we don't see that on the mainstream news.
Trump's not talking about it.
Nobody in Trump's administration is talking about these kids.
It's like the excuse that he just had a child prostitute seems to be the narrative for the whole thing is like, okay, this was a young, promiscuous girl.
alex jones
There's a limited hangout of 14-year-old girls.
No, it's killing and eating people.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm sold.
dan friesen
Why won't the news cover this?
jordan holmes
I can't think of any reason why the news wouldn't cover this.
dan friesen
Ding, Tonight on CNN.
Cereal is used in an email and this proves sacrifice.
jordan holmes
I mean, here's just another simpler reason.
You're just, it's going to be harder to go to the island to fire a gun into a restaurant there.
You know, that's just not going to happen.
dan friesen
No, that's true.
I just find this self-congratulatory shit, like, it's very funny.
It's like, why is no one else covering this?
You're dumb.
jordan holmes
To say it out loud and then to have Alex next to you, like, rooting you on should tell you all you need to know.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're caught up in this satanic panic, and good for you.
jordan holmes
You've lost it.
And it sucks that you can be so boring about what should be exciting, which is the literal devil.
dan friesen
And cannibalism and human hunting and blood drinking.
jordan holmes
That's exciting.
Boring.
dan friesen
So Thomas, he thinks, like, hey, you know what?
If we're ever going to get to the bottom of this, we're probably going to have to really start attacking the victims.
thomas sisca
Some of these kids that are getting killed and sacrificed may very well be just, you know, related to 14 recruited by the teacher.
alex jones
Obviously, a lot of them are actually ritual abuse victims.
unidentified
Yes.
thomas sisca
A lot of the leaders themselves have been through this.
So, you know, it's tough when people say, you know, not to go after some of these people because they're victims too.
At a certain point, you have to break free of the conditioning and not commit the crimes yourself and be willing to die to not perpetuate the same evil.
alex jones
Well, that's right.
I've been so focused on this in the last three weeks that I didn't instruct the crew until now to get the thousands of videos of me 30 years ago, 20 years ago saying it's Satanism is blood-drinking.
Here's how it works.
But we need to show people that.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're not getting enough credit, huh?
That's good.
So it very well may be the case that someone who's a victim of someone like Epstein can go on to become a perpetrator themselves.
And I think that's fine, but I think it's very important to point out that dipshits like Thomas and Alex can't be trusted to understand what any of that means.
The type of coverage and sensationalism they engage in is fundamentally irresponsible.
So they can never really be allowed to pretend that they're working with nuance.
They're blunt instruments.
And if they want to make up all kinds of crazy shit about Hillary Clinton or Epstein and witchcraft or cannibalism, this is dumb stuff, but it doesn't really hurt anyone.
These guys don't have the discipline that's required to protect victims while trying to investigate suspects.
If it feels easier to them, they will treat victims as suspects.
And in the process, they open them up to all kinds of harassment and re-traumatization.
It's exactly the same sorts of behavior you've seen with Alex engage in around mass shooting victims and survivors.
And like, you can't do that.
You're not good enough to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's hard to find suspects who might have done it because they're hiding.
It's easier to blame victims because they're coming out and saying what they've been victimized with, you know?
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So they're visible and other people aren't.
If you're lazy as fuck, boom, who's ever visible?
Done.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that I think that this mentality that is clearly articulated by Thomas.
And Alex has said it in that Patrick Bett-David interview, I believe.
Like, it's just, it's an unacceptable mission statement for them to have.
jordan holmes
Free yourself from the shackles of giving a shit about the people we roll over on our way to a white nation.
dan friesen
Yeah, and like, you know, talk about Soros, talk about Hillary, like public figures and all that kind of stuff.
You're just being a tabloid.
And like, you, yeah, it probably, you know, it's dangerous for them when someone might show up with a gun or try to kill them or something, but that doesn't happen all the time.
And you're just talking shit about these public figures and what have you.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
When you're punching at people who are victims, you're a real piece of shit.
And they should know that.
It's not about that they've broken out of the conditioning of you can't question things.
Punching Down, Justifying Evil 00:12:38
dan friesen
It's not that at all.
It's you are not good enough to do this.
You don't have skills that are required to deal with this very sensitive and painful shit in a way that isn't dangerous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Anytime you're punching down, it takes a lot of words to justify it and da-da-da-da-da.
And specific contexts and all these things that you don't, you wouldn't understand.
When you're punching up, it's real easy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
alex jones
Watch this.
dan friesen
Watch this.
They talk about Howard Luttnick.
Punch up all you want.
jordan holmes
Punch up all you want.
thomas sisca
I was giving Howard Luttnick the benefit of the doubt and being like, okay, you know, Trump got this guy.
He seems to know a lot about commerce and the tariffs.
And the tariffs, you know, to me sounded like the greatest thing ever financially to make these other countries pay back what they've taken from us to reboot our economy.
alex jones
No doubt globalism was about starting the 80s.
One-sided trade deals to screw us.
The industrializers, it was a great plan.
But Ludnick, the Democrat, that nope, sorry, go ahead.
thomas sisca
And, you know, people were calling into the show talking about Luttnick saying, hey, he wasn't there on 9-11.
You know, he had to take his kid to school that day.
unidentified
Trade options.
You have to do it.
alex jones
We'll go to that in a moment.
thomas sisca
He had to take his kid to school that day.
And, you know, you have Larry Silverstein that didn't show up to that day either because he had a medical appointment.
alex jones
And bought double insurance the week before.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
So instead of making like, what is it, $3 billion, maybe like $6 billion or something?
On the towers.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
Terrorism insurance, which they normally won't give you, but they gave him.
thomas sisca
So I wouldn't want to think that Luttnick would be willing to kill his own brother and the rest of his family if he had prior knowledge that this event was going to be taking place.
However, knowing how MK Ultra works and how this blackbell ring works and how Satanism works, if he is involved in the money.
alex jones
does satan is at work so if he is involved in that that that's you know a really really dark person that but but this is why i'm mad at myself because i i've forgotten more than most people know I remember on 9-11 and then the weeks after, and then having, it was a big stock trader, Max Kaiser, on years later.
It was Luttnick's firm that did the main put options against the two airlines the week before.
dan friesen
So yeah, Howard Luttnick maybe killed his own family on 9-11 in order to short airplane stocks or something.
Sure, whatever.
jordan holmes
That seems, again, it seems like they're not treating that with maybe the seriousness that it deserves.
dan friesen
Of course not.
jordan holmes
Like a man killing his own family in any fashion, regardless of whether or not it is through 9-11, is a real tragedy.
dan friesen
No, it is.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
But when you're talking about someone like Howard Luttnick or someone who's a public figure and someone who's like insulated in an incredibly powerful position.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who cares if you're saying this kind of shit talk?
fuck that guy you just can't do it uh with you know private people and and and people who you know it's it's so different And I don't think that they care.
jordan holmes
No, they don't.
It's just like, and it's hard to believe because it's so obvious that so few times are you in the wrong if you're punching up.
And so few times are you in the right if you're punching down.
How is this complicated?
dan friesen
It shouldn't be.
jordan holmes
It seems so simple.
dan friesen
So Alex has an email here that he's just sort of lying about.
alex jones
Emails came out last week and they're where they're going, oh yeah, it wasn't really hijackers.
I fly the plane remote control.
They're like bragging about remote control, baby, which was what it was.
thomas sisca
Yes.
dan friesen
Remote control, baby.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's remote control, baby.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was in the emails.
Rural control, baby.
Yeah, so I guess 9-11 solved.
jordan holmes
Again, what a weird thing.
He murders an entire family just to make some money.
Finger guns, buddy.
unidentified
Oh, boy, baby.
jordan holmes
Yikes.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that email isn't real.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But the ones with Steve Bannon are.
jordan holmes
That is a problem.
dan friesen
And Alex and Thomas get to talking about Bannon a little bit.
And Alex, he really feels like he's close to like, I'm going to take the shot.
unidentified
Ooh.
alex jones
Well, I'm not defending Bannon, but Bannon's a pure political animal.
So he went from a brokerage guy and a Hollywood guy to like in the Trump White House.
You go to the Rothschild representative.
You go to the Rothschild agent.
You go to the Dan Rockefeller Trial Commission agent if you want this power.
So, I mean, he put the ring on.
Bannon met with the devil.
He went to the island.
Now it's coming out.
He didn't tell people that's bad.
And people aren't even scared to even attack him from what I'm told.
It's just that they're like, wow, this is terrible.
And they're just kind of like waiting to say, what do we say?
Well, like, I haven't even called Bannon.
He's just in me text articles news.
Hey, let's get this judge in.
Let's help promote this.
All is pro-America.
And the stuff that's in there is like, let's get rid of the leftist in the UK and Europe.
And he's got Epstein helping him do that.
It's like the work is mainly good.
That's why I'm like, I'm sorry.
Like, what am I going to do?
Because Bannon's doing a lot of good stuff here, but he's also making jokes about young girls with Epstein.
So going to the island, I'm telling people, he should have come clean earlier.
See, I'm already going around going, I got to really, I want to do this right because I want to write a bunch of notes, get a bunch of exhibits.
The point is he put the ring of Mordor on.
dan friesen
So that's an excuse that Alex uses for people.
When he says that they put the Ring of Mordor on, that's a way for him to preserve the decency of the person.
jordan holmes
Frodo put the ring on.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Putting on the ring is saying that like, yeah, some of these actions are evil, but the person's good.
Maybe it's unwise to put on the ring.
So this just fucking...
jordan holmes
According to literally every wise person in the book, period, it is unwise to put on the ring.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
Bye!
jordan holmes
But who knows?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Could be anything.
dan friesen
But Alex just, he feels like it's like, okay, Bannon sucks.
He sucks.
He went to the island.
He didn't fucking tell anybody.
He's making jokes about underage people with Bannon or with Epstein.
But he's also doing this good stuff that I like.
Where is he going with this?
jordan holmes
Knowing how Satanism works.
There are a lot of kind of just Christmas and Easter Satanists.
So, yeah, he's a Satanist who went to the island and met with the devil or whatever.
But it's like, it's not that big of a deal.
You know, it's like he's more even a cultural Satanist, really.
dan friesen
Okay, now that's interesting.
So I just don't know what Alex's position is.
I can't tell.
Like, he seems to be pretty easy.
He wants to attack Bannon, but he's not letting himself.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And the feeling that I got is like, I think he just doesn't know if he's allowed to.
alex jones
Here's my problem with the Bannon thing.
You read what he's doing in all of this.
It's overall pro-freedom, anti-globalist, other than undermining Trump and saying, maybe we should 25th Amendment Trump.
But he'll say, well, I was doing that to get the confidence of the bad guy.
You could hear that argument, but the silence is very loud.
thomas sisca
There's an email from Bannon saying that he's the one who got John Bolton into the Trump administration.
alex jones
Yeah, no, I think Bannon's bad, a chameleon.
And when he saw us winning the Liberty Movement winning, I'm not saying it's bad.
I'm saying that's where I'm going.
jordan holmes
You just said he was bad.
You just said you think he's bad.
alex jones
It's rising.
It's not done yet.
unidentified
It's done.
alex jones
Crying an egg.
It's getting crispy, but you're going to flip it.
And when I'm done, I'm going to miss up.
But I'm not ready yet.
dan friesen
I haven't heard back from the people who tell me if it's okay for me to burn Bannon.
jordan holmes
This feels very.
I have not heard that.
dan friesen
Roger hasn't gotten back to me.
I don't know exactly what I'm supposed to do.
jordan holmes
Under my marching orders.
dan friesen
Because obviously, on the surface, I should be guns blazing on this guy.
jordan holmes
It seems very easy.
He's a Satanist.
dan friesen
He's bad.
A couple seconds later.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying he's bad.
unidentified
Come on.
jordan holmes
I'm not saying he's bad.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
You know what everybody loves from their tip of the spear?
Real wishy-washy nonsense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ambivalent double talk.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes me if I hear from a leader ambivalent double talk, I say, sir, I will follow.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think what's going on for Alex is that he thinks that there's a way to save Bannon.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so he pitches to Bannon, like, what you need to do in order to make it out of this.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Here's what I think.
He was a social climber, political guy, smart, got in, kissed the ass of the system, got in overall.
I think it was a populous patriot, but wore the ring of Mordor.
And then he knew this was coming out years ago.
So he really proved himself.
Him and Epstein talk about I'm going to be a media guy, so I'm going to counter.
He told Epstein that too.
So he wanted to reprove himself ahead of all this and build a network so important that people would forgive him for this.
Steve, you need to spill your guts.
And I think you'll be forgiven because I think I get the picture of what you did.
But you need to tell us that's what it is or you're fried, bro.
You're fucked.
You're fucked.
dan friesen
So, yeah, just here's the storyline that we'll accept.
And if you want to do that, good.
Otherwise, I probably am going to have to really take these things seriously.
jordan holmes
You're a great guy.
You've done a lot of good work.
It seems like it should be harder for me to forgive pedophilia.
But on the other hand, I guess it's not.
dan friesen
You, Bannon, made a calculation that there was going to be stuff about you that came out.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And so you made a network that was too big to fail and would be too damaging for us to attack in order to insulate yourself from the consequences of these things coming out.
jordan holmes
Oh, you know who else did that?
Jeffrey Epstein.
dan friesen
Oh, man.
You know, the two of them did this long interview.
unidentified
Oh, really?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, did they know each other for a really long time?
dan friesen
Seemed friendly.
unidentified
Huh.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, good luck, Bannon.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Good luck, Alex, figuring out how to spin this fucking thing.
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
But we have one last clip here, and it's Alex telling Congress what they need to do.
jordan holmes
That's a real good question.
What does Congress need to do?
dan friesen
Give me the fucking names.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Give me the name.
jordan holmes
All right.
alex jones
I want to see those fucking names.
And so I'm telling everybody here because we've had this shit for weeks, and I've seen Anna Pauline the Lynn, who I love, calls me all the time.
We talk.
All you guys saying, oh, God, it's horrible.
You won't believe the names.
Release the fucking names.
unidentified
Okay?
alex jones
And I'm cussed.
I got a big vocabulary.
But just people attention when I say it.
Fucking release it.
Everybody better start beating the drum.
Hey, you, Congress, including Hakeem Jeffries and A. D. C. and the senators.
unidentified
All of them.
Yeah.
alex jones
I've seen these Democrat senators.
Oh, Trump's in there a million times.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All of them, but just the Democrats.
alex jones
He's involved in cover-up.
We're not absconding for him.
jordan holmes
I want the fucking vocabulary, though.
alex jones
The fucking redacted names.
You have it.
Oh, there's more stuff we haven't got.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
Get that.
Don't you distract.
You see what I'm saying here?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty easy to see what you're saying here.
Not the fucking names.
jordan holmes
Not whenever you use the word absconding to mean protecting.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
I think you're in trouble when you're screaming at Congress to give you the fucking names.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And then you have to make a quick caveat that, yeah, Trump, his name's in there, but it's all bullshit.
What he's doing is covering it up.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
That's not good.
You're in a bad spot.
jordan holmes
I'm mad at Congress for being too weak to do something about it, but I'm mad at Trump for being too strong to allow them to do something about it.
dan friesen
And Trump, if you think about it, is too strong to not get involved.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You know, like a lot of people would just, you know, be a bystander watching this mess happen.
No, no, no, no.
He rolled up his sleeves and decided, I'm getting messy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm getting in the middle of this thing.
I'm covering it up.
jordan holmes
I mean, what a hero.
I don't know how these, you know, it's like there is a part of me that has a like, I don't know what I would describe it as, like a visceral admiration.
I don't think my physical form would be capable of continuing to make words in defense of Donald Trump at this point, right?
Trump's Messy Involvement 00:04:53
jordan holmes
Like, I literally think it's not physically possible for me.
So, in a way, there is something that they can do that I can't do.
dan friesen
No, definitely.
And I think that that's the overall feeling that I get across the board from this episode.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is that Alex is very near his breaking point of being able to do that.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
There is this like real, like, oh, God damn it.
I'm not going to fucking, I'm not going to let my dad get away with murder.
I'm not covering up this Trump.
I can't do this.
But also, lesser of two evils.
I can't put up with Bannon doing these.
But he also did a lot of great stuff trying to destroy the leftists.
Like, he's just stuck.
There's just, and it's kind of funny.
unidentified
Yeah.
But.
jordan holmes
You know, what really sucks about that is that people do get, like anything, people just get inured to it, you know, and it's like, well, you know, I haven't done anything about this.
So the next thing, I'm going to have this same wishy-washy conversation with myself about it because I didn't do anything about the last time.
dan friesen
So why would this time take us back to 2006?
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The executive must be punished.
Or else we're going to end up in 2026.
jordan holmes
It's hard not to think that there was something to be said about that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex had a point back then.
He also was wrong about a lot of other stuff.
jordan holmes
He was wrong about everything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's interesting to come and see this vision of him after enjoying some of the 2006 times.
The starkness of his abilities, his skills, his tool set.
Like, it's just, they're so different.
He sucks a lot now.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It is like a, I don't know.
It is like that VH1 behind the music kind of rhythm of like, all right, we're coming up here and now we're in the follow years and, you know, that whole thing.
And he's not going to have a reunion tour.
dan friesen
No, I don't think so.
unidentified
That's not happening.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
And I think that, you know, like the skills and the ability that he's putting forth here in this present day episode, like he's really lucky that he tried hard earlier.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because this person has no place in the market.
There's nothing interesting or compelling about what he can do now.
It's all just coasting on the reputation that he built in VHS and early internet days.
jordan holmes
Legacy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that's good.
Good for you.
Enjoy your phone call with Steve Bannon.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll see how that goes.
jordan holmes
Oh, God.
dan friesen
But yeah, I don't know.
How do you feel?
jordan holmes
I feel like Satanism used to be a much more, used to be a much bigger deal breaker.
You know, like even worshiping Satan a little bit was going to get you in trouble.
Now we're getting all like, well, you know, Satanists can do good.
dan friesen
Right.
Satanism, you can toe dip.
You know, you can like check in a little bit.
unidentified
Like, okay, all right.
jordan holmes
You guys, you know what?
Maybe you guys have a point.
Satan, I feel like you can't, you can't even have a little bit of that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's uh, it's um, yeah, it, it, it should be if you touch the water, you're you get sucked in.
You know, that's how it's supposed to be.
jordan holmes
It's almost like maybe in every possible uh telling of a Satan story, uh, there's a small crack at first that gets a person to do something that maybe they wouldn't otherwise do that allows Satan in, and then all of a sudden, after a period of time, Satan has taken over.
I've heard these stories it's almost like it's literally every single fucking story.
dan friesen
Speaking of Satan, though, I really do want Alex's Bone Temple review because I wonder what he would think of Ray Fine's musical number.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep.
God, is that would that be actually you'd have to think he would think it was cool because it is cool, but it also has to be predictive programming, right?
unidentified
Okay, okay, okay.
jordan holmes
All right, all right.
dan friesen
Alex is on Minect now.
No, I don't want to waste the money.
jordan holmes
We're not doing it.
No, Absolutely not.
dan friesen
Try to get him to do a Bone Temple review?
jordan holmes
Absolutely not.
dan friesen
All right, fine.
It's not worth it.
jordan holmes
I'd rather spend $50,000 getting Patrick, whatever his name.
dan friesen
Get him to do a Bone Temple.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Tell me about the Bone Temple PDP.
dan friesen
All right, fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll find something that he's done.
We'll be in the past or the present.
Who knows?
But we will be back.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgefight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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