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Dec. 12, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1101: November 22, 2025

In this installment., Dan and Jordan check in to see how Alex deals with the breaking news that Marjorie Taylor Greene resigned from Congress.

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alex jones
18:32
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dan friesen
40:11
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jordan holmes
20:34
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unidentified
Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
It's time to pray.
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Riddler.
Andy and Pansy.
unidentified
Andy and Tandy.
alex jones
Stop it.
Andy and Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish-man colour.
I'm here saying I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jokes.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan, Jordan.
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
My bright spot.
dan friesen
This month.
That's this month.
It's all about you going first.
jordan holmes
Wow, because your bright spot seems to be consistently of the cheese-related month.
I don't want to foreshadow too much.
My bright spot is my wife Guy Streak continues.
She purchased for me this amazing coat.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
It's very, very good.
dan friesen
It's a nice greenish.
jordan holmes
Oh, there's so many pockets.
There are hidden pockets.
That's what I'm all about.
Any good coat has pockets that you don't know about to keep your wallet in.
dan friesen
You, as an owner of the coat, absolutely about it.
jordan holmes
No, there should be a magical, like, you should be able to flip it out twice in a way that only somebody who's already aware of the magic of coats.
dan friesen
My pockets got pockets.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Absolutely.
And those should be somewhat mystical in origin.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yep, absolutely.
dan friesen
Nice.
Well, I think it looks great.
unidentified
There are some.
dan friesen
It's good that you're ripping me off by getting a coat.
jordan holmes
Also, I am not.
I'm not ripping anybody off.
I just walked into a coat.
dan friesen
So did I.
jordan holmes
I just stole it.
Exactly.
Your coat.
That's fair.
That's fair.
I'll take it.
I'll take it.
I'm a cohack.
dan friesen
I'll live like that.
You were saying that almost always you have black coats.
Yeah, this is a little bit of departure.
It is quite a difference to see you in a different color.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I didn't even realize how much it would be.
jordan holmes
No, I've worn a black coat for literally 20 years.
So this is a whole new, this is a whole new world of colors.
dan friesen
Hey, it's opening up.
Living in the world.
jordan holmes
Yep.
So that's my bright spot.
dan friesen
How are you feeling?
About what?
jordan holmes
About your coat?
About the year, about the date, about foodstuffs.
dan friesen
Do you want to ask me what my bright spot is?
jordan holmes
Yes, I do.
dan friesen
Okay.
My bright spot, Jordan, is, of course, it is December 12th.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And so the cheese advent calendar marches along.
Okay.
Nice.
jordan holmes
That one's pretty good.
dan friesen
Thank you so much, David.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Thank you very much, David.
dan friesen
What a fun synthy cheese advent calendar sting.
I'm learning something along the way.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Tell me about it.
dan friesen
I don't really, I can't tell the difference between a lot of cheeses.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I think they're fine.
I like cheese.
Sure.
I have not, my love of cheese has not been diminished by this exercise in any way, and I am thrilled to continue it.
Of course.
But there is a part of me that thought I would be like gaining a respect and appreciation for all these different cheeses.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
And it has not happened.
I think they're all very, very similar and good, but very similar.
jordan holmes
Cheese is good is the lesson here.
Yeah.
But cheese is essentially moldy milk at the end of the day.
dan friesen
I don't have any real strong feelings or like frontrunners or anything.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The strongest feeling that I've gotten was one of the days I opened one of them and the cheese just said goat.
jordan holmes
It just said goat.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I thought that was fine.
jordan holmes
Did the cheese itself say goat?
dan friesen
No, it didn't.
No.
But it didn't say goat cheese.
It didn't say like chevra or anything.
jordan holmes
It just said goat.
dan friesen
Like, this is just a goat.
jordan holmes
I like it.
dan friesen
It's not the greatest of all time.
It was fine.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But anyway, we have today's cheese, day 12.
And this is like, I'm pretty excited about this.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This is cheddar with cracked pepper.
jordan holmes
Cheddar with cracked pepper.
Which I think is just like delicious.
dan friesen
Winning combination.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's just a delicious kind of cheese.
dan friesen
And so here is the part of my bright spot, Jordan Vamps.
jordan holmes
All right.
Well, what you brought up earlier about not being able to differentiate cheeses reminds me a lot of somaliers, right?
So whenever you are giving a wine pairing by an actual fucking somalier, which has only happened to me twice or something like that, they give you a description of the soils.
They give you a description of the grapes and like the mouthfeel of the specific grapes of the region.
Absolutely.
It's crazy how they can do that.
And other people can confirm that they do that.
So you don't think for sure that it's just a bunch of people fucking with you, right?
You don't think that it's for sure a bunch of people fucking with you.
But you kind of think, because when you taste it, you go, it tastes a lot like wine, that they're maybe fucking with you, and maybe they're just making all of that shit up at any given point in time.
dan friesen
Well, you can't get those fine notes when you're chugging.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Wow, that's fair.
That's your problem.
I lived a different life than a sommalier.
I will admit that.
We have very different priorities when it comes to drinking.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That was good.
jordan holmes
That was good cheese.
It was just cheddar with cracked pepper.
dan friesen
It had enough cracked pepper in it that it really did fundamentally change the cheddar.
jordan holmes
The cheddariness.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You got a good pepper feel in there.
jordan holmes
That's good stuff.
unidentified
Woo!
jordan holmes
Which brings us ever closer to the day we have chosen to believe that our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was born.
dan friesen
Well, we're halfway through the calendar, so that makes 12 out of 24, and now we got this cracked pepper.
unidentified
Oh, man.
jordan holmes
It's solid.
It is coming up.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Time is moving fast.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's pretty fucking insane.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
Okay.
And apologies for our Monday episode about Milo.
We'll get back to Alex.
Sorry.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, somehow that's the relief.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So here we're going to be talking about November 22nd, 2025.
This is Saturday.
Alex should have the day off.
But instead, Marjorie Taylor Greene has quit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And he's got to get on air and do something.
jordan holmes
We have reached the day that shit has finally gotten real.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we'll get to business on this, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Suzanne from Australia.
I can probably marry one of you to green card you out of the country.
The snakes aren't a problem, but the spontaneous combustion is.
Thank you so much.
You're an outpolicy won.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Jordan is already married, but I feel like I shouldn't talk about this on air lest it ruin my ability to actually do this.
unidentified
That's a good point.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
dan friesen
Thank you for the offer.
Yes.
Next, Nate Dogg, aka Aussie Matt Damon.
Thank you so much.
You're an IP policywalk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And hey, Josh, don't break your Tao army like a loser little titty baby.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iop Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Dr. Ductape Hands.
Not a real doctor, but I needed a costume for a college Halloween party.
And all I had was duct tape and a stethoscope.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb, Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Thank you so very much.
dan friesen
Did you ever play Edward Forty Hands?
jordan holmes
No, I did not.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
dan friesen
You don't know what Edward Forty Hands is?
jordan holmes
Oh, yep, back.
Nep.
Nope.
alex jones
What do you think?
jordan holmes
I'm back.
dan friesen
What do you think it is?
jordan holmes
You tape some 40s to your hands.
Both hands.
You better believe it.
dan friesen
You duct tape both of our hands.
jordan holmes
You need somebody else to help you with the second one.
dan friesen
Oh, yes, yes, you do.
jordan holmes
You can't do both by the way.
dan friesen
And then you can't take them off until they're both empty.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And so it's a race.
jordan holmes
Was that also part of the Edward Scissors Hands thing?
You have to cut enough hair to get the scissors.
dan friesen
No, but Edward Scissors didn't drink, too.
jordan holmes
Well, for obvious reasons.
dan friesen
You're just dumb college kids.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
I did that a couple times.
jordan holmes
You did that a couple of times.
That's too many times.
That's one too many times.
dan friesen
The first time, I'm so glad my friends were there.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because I wanted to slam them together in celebration.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
No, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Because I had drank 240s and I didn't realize, like, oh, wow, that would slice my disaster of because actually someone talked me down from that.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
dan friesen
So anyway, here we are.
jordan holmes
It would be different to do this show if you had a hookhand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Better.
Yeah, maybe.
dan friesen
So before we get to today's episode, I have a couple of out-of-context drops for you.
So here's the first one.
alex jones
People that don't know this show's like jazz.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
jordan holmes
It's about the words you don't say.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Scatting, improvisational.
This is like jazz.
alex jones
Yeah.
I don't know how to suck Obama's dick.
I can't do it.
dan friesen
I don't know how.
jordan holmes
I can't do it.
That raises a lot of interesting questions.
Right?
Like, is there a specific way that it should be done that we're not aware of?
Like, is there a presidential dick-sucking technique?
dan friesen
Well, maybe.
But I do think that the way he's talking makes it sound like it's a deficiency of skills or knowledge on his part.
jordan holmes
I just don't know how to do it.
alex jones
I would if I could.
jordan holmes
Every time I get down there, and then suddenly I've got a boxing glove and I punch it right in there.
I don't know what I'm doing.
dan friesen
And that's jazz.
jordan holmes
And that's jazz, baby.
dan friesen
So on the evening of Friday, November 21st, Marjorie Taylor Greene posted her official resignation announcement on Twitter.
She had been one of Trump's strongest supporters in Congress, but she wouldn't give up on getting the Epstein stuff released, even after Trump lashed out at his base and got most of them back in line.
Trump started posting all kinds of bad shit about her on Twitter, calling her Marjorie Taylor Brown and branding her a traitor, which she said resulted in a wave of harassment and threats being sent at her.
Sure.
So she quit.
Her statement was very poorly written, but the point of it was clear.
She was claiming her position as an America first person, which was different than a Make America Great Again person, which is what Trump and his administration had become.
Right.
They'd sold out the common American by catering to special interests, and they weren't the party that she wanted to be a part of anymore.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Plus, the cult leader of the party was being a real asshole to her and saying that he was going to help whoever ran against her in the GOP primary in her district.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
In her announcement, she said that she didn't want, quote, my sweet district to have to endure a hurtful and hateful primary against me by the president we all fought for, only to fight and win my election while Republicans will likely lose the midterms.
And in turn, be expected to defend the president against impeachment after he hatefully dumped tens of millions of dollars against me and tried to destroy me.
It's also absurd and completely unserious.
I refuse to be a battered wife, hoping it all goes away and gets better.
A lot of what she's saying is true, like that the Trump administration is absurd and completely unserious.
And what makes it all very funny is that Marjorie Taylor Green's saying that in 2025 is what we're seeing.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
She's absurd and completely unserious.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Trump's been absurd and completely unserious this whole time.
She didn't just realize that Trump is a piece of shit now.
She's known this the whole time.
But it's now come to a place where there's no path forward for her.
Trump put her in a position where she had to either do a total 180 on things like Epstein and aid to Israel, or she had to do this.
It's a savvy move on her part, and I think it's the right thing to do for her career in the long run.
But if we just look at what she's saying, it kind of boils down to her quitting because politics is too hard.
Her quitting doesn't help any of her constituents, and if anything, it weakens the power of whatever position she hopes to see represented in Congress.
She made an assessment that her primary would be ugly.
She'd probably win and then be in the GOP minority after the midterms.
The Democrats will likely try to impeach Trump a bunch of times, and the Trump cult that she helped create will demand that she support the king.
She doesn't want to do that.
And I guess it's not an option to vote to impeach Trump or to just not vote to abstain.
jordan holmes
I mean, come on.
dan friesen
Effectively, what she's saying by quitting is that the stakes for her to have principles are too high.
So she's better off leaving office.
Trump has created a political status quo where she probably understands that if she were to be in office post-midterms and didn't fight against an impeachment, even after Trump had tried to help primary her, one of Trump's fans might kill her.
She's played her games, and now it's not fun anymore.
So she quit.
She served just long enough to qualify for a congressional pension.
So legitimately, there's nothing else left for her to do in government.
You got to get out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, now is a good time.
dan friesen
Her retirement is a great move for herself personally, but it also puts people in the right-wing media in a horrible position.
The fact that she quit makes it clear that quitting is an option and that breaking with Trump is possible.
This is the last thing that Alex needed right now because it only further illustrates how captured his show is.
If he took any of the stuff he pretends to care about seriously, he would have been way ahead of MTG on this.
But he's not.
He's bending over backwards, making excuses for Trump.
And now, what is he supposed to do about Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Should he be mad at her for quitting and shitting on Trump on the way out?
Or should he applaud her for sticking to her principles that he's supposed to also follow?
What does he do?
jordan holmes
I'm going to go with the former.
dan friesen
Well, maybe neither, maybe both, maybe all of it.
jordan holmes
We'll see.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I just, I think that he's up against it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is, it's hard to believe that anybody allowed her to write that without like a clown sort of mask on her face or somebody with a big rubber hand slapping her while it's being said.
Something along those lines, because you're not allowed to say that.
Sure, all the things that you said are true.
Sure, that's fine.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's fair enough.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's just silly that you're now trying to use beating up on the very thing that is the only reason you're successful and now shitting on it is supposed to propel you to the next stage of whatever your scam is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And just, no, you should go down with the ship.
jordan holmes
It is, it is the, it is the more eloquent way of saying, I should know.
I'm them.
You know, like, of course they're evil.
I do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So obviously, Alex saw this going down and it's big news.
So he had to get on air.
But he also realized that it was another big day.
It was the anniversary of when a president got killed.
alex jones
It is Saturday, November 22nd, 2025.
I am your embattled host, Alex Jones.
Thank you for joining us on this Saturday morning/slash afternoon emergency transmission.
It is 1034 Central.
This is the 62nd anniversary of the assassination by the very same globalist deep state that's handed down power, literally to its children and grandchildren, of Robert F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas at Deepway Plaza.
Really, the leading Kennedy expert, Roger Stone, will be joining us.
Oh, I thought Robert F. Kennedy was an hour from now.
dan friesen
Wrong Kennedy, buddy.
It's easy.
It's an easy mistake to make.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it is unfortunate that so many of those guys have been assassinated.
dan friesen
Two of them.
jordan holmes
It is enough to really confuse who and when was assassinated when.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's tough.
That's a tough family.
dan friesen
I think that it's fun that we're doing this instead of focusing solely on Marjorie Taylor Green just fucking quit coming.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's an anniversary that needs to be, I don't know if celebrated is the right word.
dan friesen
So you get Roger Stone is going to be coming on.
Of course.
And obviously you don't want to be having a back and forth with Roger Stone about Marjorie Taylor Greene right now.
jordan holmes
I think he might have some choice words to say.
dan friesen
So I think a strategic middle ground was reached where Kennedy.
No, Alex is just like, I'm going to let you host.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
dan friesen
Alex just leaves.
jordan holmes
I'll be damned.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He just says, like, Roger, you're the JFK expert.
Take it over.
Take over the show.
Do as long as you want.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
And I think it's specifically to avoid a back and forth between them.
Sure.
Because shit's bad right now.
And you know what Roger thinks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's essentially like, hey, Roger, seriously, I've said so many times, how do we turn this around for Trump?
How do we turn this around for Trump?
Because nobody was jumping ship.
Nobody was jumping ship.
But now that the rats are starting to jump ship, shouldn't I jump?
I'm a rat.
I am a rat.
dan friesen
When everyone around is an unrepentant, brazen, scammy liar, then it means that everyone gets to be that.
When someone has integrity, it makes everyone who doesn't look like shit.
jordan holmes
It feels so stupid.
dan friesen
Even if it's pretend integrity, even if it's this fake strategic shit that she's doing, it calls out everyone else's game and it's a threat to them all.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex teases that he's got a big old story from inside sources.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
Now, there's a lot I can't tell you because it'll expose sources in the White House.
The source of this has nothing to do with Ed Martin, who simply investigated the Deep States attacks on me.
And then Todd Blanche, the deputy AG, ordered those investigations killed.
And that's just an example of what the Democrat Party lawyer that Trump, for some reason, trusts, who's now the deputy AG, is up to, and he runs the Justice Department.
Now, if you haven't heard this yet, when I say this, this is not satire.
This is not a joke.
And I asked Ed for comment on this this morning, and he just said no comment.
And but I have my sources in the White House and other places, very high level that I talked to last night and this morning.
And when I learned about this last night, it hit me really hard because what I'm about to tell you, I know it's going to hit you hard.
And I'm just going to say it point blank.
I'm not a bandwagon person.
I don't pile on when other people are doing something.
But I know MTG well.
She's a woman of incredible integrity, Brought up poor, self-made, very successful destruction company, a woman of great integrity.
She announced last night that she is resigning.
I predicted on the Tuesday broadcast.
She didn't tell me this, but I talked to her at length.
And it sounded to me like she was thrown in the towel just because she can't be part of something that's, quote, a lesser of two evils.
dan friesen
Alex really shouldn't frame this how he has, because if Marjorie Taylor Greene is resigning because she can't accept the lesser of two evils stuff, that just means that Alex is making peace with the lesser of two evils.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
This is what I meant when I said that there's no good way for Alex to cover this.
She's an enemy of Trump, and Alex is supposed to be a Trump media surrogate at this point.
So any attempt he makes to soften the coverage of Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to look weird.
He should hate her.
That's the only position that's viable within the media space that he's carved out for himself.
He has to fundamentally change his relationship with Trump or hate her.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I think MTG should really be grateful that we don't live in Russia.
Because, you know, you don't have somebody resign.
You just remove them from the photographs.
And then you don't need to worry about this whole like, oh, she's going to say bad things about me.
She's gone from the photographs.
You know, she can't say anything about you.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, so there are some freedoms.
dan friesen
Maybe someone hits her with an umbrella.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
At some point.
jordan holmes
I mean, if it was Trump's birthday, let's say, I wouldn't open the door for fucking anybody.
I'm keeping that door strongly closed and I'm hiding somewhere all day.
dan friesen
Yeah, the making national parks free on Trump's birthday.
That's a trick.
You're trying to lure Marjorie Taylor Green.
jordan holmes
You're going to get her.
You're going to get her.
That's what you're doing.
I've seen this play out so many times before.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Also, what's with that shit about Todd Blanche and Ed Martin at the beginning there?
Anytime Alex is saying that he has all these high-level sources and takes a lot of time to specify how it's not a particular person, I'm pretty comfortable with thinking that Alex wants me to believe that it's that person.
So when he says, I'm not getting this from Ed Martin, I think you're getting it from Ed Martin.
jordan holmes
If he says, I'm not getting this, then the very next name is the name he is getting it from.
He can't not do that.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about Marjorie Taylor Green resigning.
He's brought up sort of some spinning plates of Ed Martin and Todd Blanche over here that'll come back into play later.
And he doesn't know what he thinks.
jordan holmes
How can you not know what you think?
dan friesen
He's conflicted.
jordan holmes
How?
alex jones
I'm going to have to reflect on this, and I'm going to have to pray about it, and I'm going to take a few weeks on it, I think, is the most important thing to do.
But I'm not a person that is normally conflicted.
I have a lot of knowledge, a lot of depth, a lot of sources, a lot of context.
And when I do get conflicted on something, I just have to go to God with it and pray about it a lot.
You know the answer, dum-dum.
Talked about the quiet place the most.
jordan holmes
It's 2.30.
alex jones
And then I'm going to make my decision.
dan friesen
Stop drinking tells me.
alex jones
I'm going to make my decision.
I am seriously inches away from not supporting Trump anymore.
jordan holmes
Which time?
alex jones
Because I am not going to watch him commit political suicide.
And I am not going to be drugged down with the rest of the country with him.
Now, that said, in general, on issues and policies, he gets a 95.
And I love Trump.
He's protected by God.
The inside baseball, he's the real deal.
But by the real deal, he really loves America.
He thinks he's doing the right thing.
He has serious blind spots.
dan friesen
I just imagine Alex praying about whether he should support Trump anymore and God being like, who cares?
God does not care.
It's way too late for Alex deciding not to support Trump to mean anything because if it were a decision based on principle, then it would have already been made.
Trump's been consistently acting in ways that cross Alex's imaginary red lines, and he's been more than happy to support it all and yell about how all this unconstitutional shit Trump is doing is totally constitutional.
But now Alex is conflicted.
What changed now is that Marjorie Taylor Greene has taken an action that has the subtext of shit or get off the pot.
And everyone in Alex's position gets that message clearly.
She's doing what all of them should have done a long time ago if they cared.
But as long as someone in a high-powered position didn't do something like this, they were all able to pretend that it's just impossible.
Nick Fuentes turned on Trump, but that's fine because he's a weird little Nazi kid.
It's very easy to say that he didn't turn on Trump over principles.
It was just because of his weird Israel obsession and hatred of the Jews.
MTG is a high-level defection from Trump that isn't easy to spin, and she isn't going to disappear from public life.
She's going to build her new brand on being the person who walked away from what could have been a lifelong career in Congress because the party left her.
Alex is saying that he needs a while to pray on this and see what God tells him because he doesn't know how it's going to go for her yet.
If the move is super profitable for her and she comes out on top, God's going to tell Alex that he should follow her example.
jordan holmes
God's so good like that.
dan friesen
Yeah, God's probably also going to tell him that he should pretend that he did it first.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
If she's crushed under the weight of MAGA harassment or possibly killed, God may tell Alex that the lesser of two evils isn't so bad from a business standpoint.
Maybe he should just cool it.
jordan holmes
It's going to be helpful when Alex claims that he did it first, that he has done it so many times in the past.
Yeah.
You know, so there is that.
There is the laying of seeds.
If you can be like, I left him 10 years ago whenever he did blankety blank, you know?
Yeah.
dan friesen
God tells Alex things.
He gives him predictive visions.
Alex is able to tell like the minute a fucking shooting happens that it's fake.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Oh, I need a few weeks to pray on Marjorie Taylor Green.
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
It would be interesting to me.
Right.
So, you know, magic's real.
We've already established that that's true.
It would be interesting to me if Gene Hackman was actually Alex's last chance.
Like it was save Gene Hackman or you're done.
dan friesen
Or, again, possibly kill Gene Hector.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Regardless of the...
dan friesen
Do something.
jordan holmes
What's important is that he should have been there.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
He should have been there.
dan friesen
Him not being there in some way was a fundamental betrayal of God's plan.
jordan holmes
Yep, and that cannot be allowed.
So all of this and all of the darkness that will follow is purely because Alex was not there when Gene Hackman faced his maker.
That's it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's clear.
dan friesen
Okay, so maybe, okay, we think about it in a way of like he had to kill Gene Hackman or he had to save Gene Hackman.
What if Gene Hackman, like Alex needed to save his soul?
jordan holmes
Right.
Okay.
Like a quantum leap kind of style.
Okay.
dan friesen
Gene Hackman's soul is critical in the battle between good and evil.
jordan holmes
Because nobody can inspire an Indiana basketball team quite like Gene Hackman.
dan friesen
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex needed to convert Hackman to God before he died.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Or else he would die and go to hell and become a very influential demon.
jordan holmes
If Satan's got the Hackman on his side, God knows what he could do.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're screwed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that's trouble.
We've got a lot to worry about.
Their five-man game is fucking strong.
dan friesen
This is so much more fun than worrying about reality.
Yep.
So we brought up Todd Blanche and Ed Martin at the beginning, and here's where they come back into play.
alex jones
Todd Blanche, the deputy AG.
I just can't believe this is happening.
When I saw this last night, then I made calls last night, and this morning I got calls back.
And people trust me.
So I get told what happens at cabinet meetings, you name it, as I've broken many times, you've seen.
Then I have to be careful how I say or what I bring out because it identifies things.
And these people are getting ready to go public, too.
I mean, it's just, you just can't take it anymore.
I am not going to sit here and watch this done to our country.
And I'm not trying to make Todd Blanche the demon.
I've seen what he said to me personally, but that was just one sign.
And I even said at the time, even before the DOJ started investigating what was done to me by the Deep State and the DOJ, that, man, you got bigger fish to fry.
But Ed Martin's like, this is our mission.
This is what we do.
And they were very sloppy with you.
So the DOJ funded these attacks on you.
That's illegal.
And what you heard in the news was just part of the investigation was much larger.
And I'm going to stop there.
And of course, they know it's this, here's the thing.
It's not just Ed Martin.
Ed Martin, in a good way, gets blamed for all the stuff that's going on, the good things.
And he did make that comment to me.
And I know people in and around him, it's funny because there is other prosecutors and other groups out there that are loyal to the country and care that are also doing a lot of great stuff.
And a lot of people at DHS, that's really where you've got a larger portion of people that are ready to take action to save the country.
An example would be Tom Homan.
I'd be careful here, just because most of this is off record, but here's what's not off record.
Todd Blanch has opened up a grand jury.
And when I made calls, there's more than one.
It's not just in Maryland.
Specifically targeting Ed Martin and other top government officials that Trump specifically brought in and hired to do the job of going after corruption in the deep state.
dan friesen
So this isn't inside stuff that Alex is getting from like cabinet-level sources.
ABC News reported on November 20th, two days before Alex did this episode, that Ed Martin was facing scrutiny from the Department of Justice and possibly being investigated over sharing sensitive investigative materials with unauthorized people.
His dissemination of that material runs the risk of tainting ongoing investigations that the DOJ is pursuing, like mortgage fraud cases against Adam Schiff or Letitia James.
One of the reasons that Alex is constantly saying that he's not getting this new information from Ed Martin is that a lot of people think that Alex is the person Martin disseminated unauthorized information to, which is what jeopardizes these cases and is likely getting Martin in trouble with the DOJ.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
Alex has a habit of bragging on his show about knowing Ed Martin and saying that Martin has given him inside scoops, even about the Schiff and James cases.
So it's not that much of a leap to assume that he's the root of the problem here.
jordan holmes
He's one of the most unauthorized voices you could disseminate things to.
Yeah.
If there are like levels of unauthorized, he would be all the way at the top or the bottom, whichever you require.
dan friesen
Yeah.
This is an interesting play on Alex's part, what he's doing here, because it seems like he's trying to connect Marjorie Taylor Greene's resignation with Todd Blanche.
Like he's the reason that she quit.
It has no connection to reality, but this will be the way that Alex tries to market his own quitting Team Trump if it comes to that.
It will all be Todd Blanche's fault, and Trump's final sin will not be supporting Ed Martin enough in the battle with Todd Blanche.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But more likely than not, this is just like in case.
jordan holmes
It feels like there is an opportunity.
Right.
So you've got your regular conspiracy theorist with the board with all the red strings just connecting it to the person at the top, right?
But I had not considered that there could be a circle of conspiracy theorists with their own boards based upon the same board, all of them pointing to a different person in order to confuse the initial conspiracy theorist who was perhaps correct.
Right.
So now we've got multiple conspiracy theory boards kind of crisscrossing in and out of each other.
And that's where Alex is.
He's creating a completely separate board.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And that's the difference of the beginning of his career and the end of his career.
And at the beginning of his career, there was a monoculture of conspiracy shit.
Sure.
Where he was able to be like, I have the board.
I'm showing you the board.
jordan holmes
The board.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The number one board.
dan friesen
And now everybody has their own boards.
jordan holmes
And he's not doing a great job with his board.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
His board is just an option of 100 different boards that are internally inconsistent.
They contradict each other.
And yeah, there's no value to his board.
jordan holmes
There's too many goddamn boards out there.
dan friesen
It's true.
jordan holmes
Everybody fucking calm it down.
Get the Carson of boards back up here.
That's what we're needing.
Yeah.
Or Talc Troy.
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
And he's not made peace yet with the idea that that's not his position.
jordan holmes
No, you're not even Kimmel, buddy.
dan friesen
So Alex rambles a bit about how the deep state has attacked him and he's a victim.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
I had all these grand juries in panel by Letitia James.
She went and got federal ones in panel when she was the AG.
She did the referrals from the state.
Some of them hit the news, some didn't.
I had to spend millions of dollars that thank God you gave me to keep me on air because that's the fight to battle these people.
And when they went to the grand juries, even in Democrat areas, they could not get indictments.
I was indicted.
The Washington Post reported, and I know it was accurate.
I've been told this.
It's like a 25-page report a few years ago in D.C. for January 6th.
And then Merrick Garland killed it because they knew I was there saying don't go in the building.
jordan holmes
Huh?
alex jones
And they said this is too obvious.
And that's a tactic when they can't get the big fish.
They'll go after the smaller one.
That's why they threw Owen in prison.
Was a message.
Look, guys, I know you want to put me in prison.
jordan holmes
I understand that.
alex jones
That's why I have to fight you.
I am a good person.
I don't even speed anymore, maybe 10 miles over the speed limit.
I mean, I'm literally a Boy Scout.
And so I don't feel fear or guilt over any of this.
I see you as a threat.
I don't run.
I fight.
And I've had these guys reach out to me, you know, and all the rest of it.
I mean, just like you guys did with General Flynn, you want to get me in some meeting about God knows what so you can then say I lied to federal officers.
I'm not stupid.
There's a lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes.
I just want them to know, like, I don't have an ADIQ, guys.
Okay.
And when it comes to street knowledge and being in the wars for this country in the info war, I got a 200 IQ, okay?
When it comes to street smarts, but I mean, if you had street smarts of a canary, you'd know that.
unidentified
Do canaries have street smarts?
alex jones
That the real war started when we got Trump back in.
Just like I told Roger Stone election night, 2016.
He goes, oh my God, it's so great.
We're going to turn the country around.
We're going to say everybody.
We're sitting there smoking a cigar and drinking scotch at like 3, 4 a.m.
And I said, Roger, he's told story many times.
I said, Roger, the war just began.
dan friesen
So this seems really dumb.
If Merrick Garland chose not to prosecute Alex, then it seems like they don't prosecute people for things that they didn't do.
If they just lock up anyone who they want, they can indict a ham sandwich.
Then who cares if Alex didn't do anything wrong on January 6th?
They should have just jammed him up anyway.
jordan holmes
Why not?
Yeah, it's no one would have, yeah.
dan friesen
It passed the grand jury, and then they're like, oh no, why did it start to begin with then?
jordan holmes
What if the judge throws out our case?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
If Owen had actually done nothing wrong, then it would seem like maybe they were trying to send Alex a message.
But Owen was violating a deferred prosecution agreement by being at the Capitol that day because he failed to complete his community service for another time he'd gotten arrested.
jordan holmes
Just do your community service, man.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's why he got in trouble.
The full explanation.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
These people are all such losers, wrapped up in their own feelings of persecution.
And that's always going to be the case, no matter how you treat them.
Everyone who was involved in January 6th got away from it very lucky because in a lot of circumstances, that should have turned into a bloodbath.
Alex is lucky he survived.
Everyone who went to jail and then got pardoned by Trump are lucky they survived and aren't in a hole for the rest of their lives.
They were all involved consciously or unwittingly in some deeply seditious shit.
And rather than being persecuted, they were all treated with the babiest level of kid gloves.
And I'm not saying that they like everyone should have been shot or whatever, but you look around the world and you look at parallels to like comparable instances of people storming Capitol buildings and shit.
And this was pretty, this was dealt with pretty softly.
jordan holmes
They should be.
Well, I mean, it is good that we are not run by a narco-terrorist king, but it's not good that it seems like we're getting closer and closer by the day, especially considering now we're just like grabbing stuff and taking it from Venezuela all the time.
We're just like, this is ours now.
I really feel like maybe we're fucking with Venezuela too much.
dan friesen
But they have boats.
jordan holmes
I don't know if we could just take them, man.
dan friesen
I think that there's a doctrine that says on the water, I shall.
jordan holmes
This is ours now.
I mean, yeah, we're pirates.
We're privateers.
We grab in other countries' ships and take them over.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, hey, what are you going to do?
dan friesen
See, it's according to jurisprudence.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And English common law.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And the Magna Carta.
jordan holmes
Right.
And blah, I feel like the hippos were got more legally.
You know what I mean?
Like, whenever Escobar is out there just like grabbing illegal hippos, that makes more sense to me than if he was just taking people's boats.
And I'm pretty sure he did just take people's boats.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Look, we're not in great waters.
jordan holmes
Literally.
dan friesen
But Alex, yeah, Alex is he needs to calm down to this persecution complex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe a little too much.
dan friesen
But, you know, he is a lot of things.
A liar.
Sure.
A fraud.
Yeah.
Sad man.
jordan holmes
Definitely.
dan friesen
Prophet.
jordan holmes
Not Escobar.
dan friesen
Futurist.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Academic.
jordan holmes
Not savior.
alex jones
You care about your children, your grandchildren.
I'm talking to everybody out there.
Listen to me.
I'm a real analyst, intellectual, historian, futurist.
Okay.
I'm saying my shit.
jordan holmes
In what fashion?
alex jones
And I'm like trying to get the establishment, the captains here, to steer us out of this iceberg-filled jungle we're in.
Or the whole fucking ship's going to go down.
And so you guys keep threatening me and doing all this stuff.
You think, why don't you go away?
Why don't you stop?
Why don't you take the payoffs?
Why don't you roll over to us?
What?
I mean, I'll take a payoff from you guys.
And this doesn't happen with Blanche.
This happened with the people above them, you know, years ago.
Richest guy in the world at the time.
$50 million a year to you personally, and you'll run this whole organization, but we'll be in charge.
Or we're going to destroy you.
And I said, where you're going to take us is destroy us.
What, I take a payoff and sit on the deck of the Titanic and go down with it?
I mean, if it was Boss Hogg and you guys were just doing this or that, you were better than the other groups.
And then the ship was going to make it to New York, I'd kick my feet up and say, get me some champagne and some caviar.
The fucking ship's going into a goddamn iceberg.
Excuse me.
dan friesen
Family show.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex has said this kind of thing constantly over the years, where he would be fine with the globalists if they were just like Boss Hogg, the evil county commissioner from the Dukes of Hazard.
And I guess that makes some sense because, you know, Hogg was the antagonist of a comedy show from the 70s.
So if people who wanted to run the world were similar to him, I wouldn't be all that interested in fighting them either.
We could just leave that up to a couple of moonshine running brothers from the south.
jordan holmes
They handled him so well.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's a goofy caricature.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep, yep, yep.
dan friesen
But on further examination, it makes sense that Alex would be fine with Boss Hogg.
He's super corrupt and owns pretty much every business in Hazard County, including infrastructure and the press.
jordan holmes
He's not the good guy.
dan friesen
His brother-in-law is Sheriff Roscoe P. Coltrane, so he extends his influence into law enforcement.
He's the richest guy in town and can pay off anyone.
So on a micro scale, he's exactly like the globalists that Alex hates so much.
So what makes him different?
Well, for one thing, Boss Hogg wasn't into worshiping Satan, which is probably because this was a goofy TV show, and that would be a little bit out of place here.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
Another difference is that Hogg doesn't kill people, which again is probably because of network TV standards at the time.
Sure.
Third, his plans are mostly get-rich-quick schemes, as opposed to the globalists who want to destroy the world.
And again, I think this is a TV show thing.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I would say there's a lot of very similar get-rich-quick schemes going on with the people that he's interested in.
dan friesen
Sure.
If Boss Hogg was trying to destroy the world, you can't just let him go at the end of the episode and use him again next week.
In order for him to be a character on the show, you need his crimes to be minor enough that they can avoid the death penalty.
So there's a little bit of screenwriting here.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But probably most importantly, Boss Hogg's real name is Jefferson Davis Hogg.
And he was named after the president of the Confederate States.
jordan holmes
I mean, obviously he was named after the president of the Confederate States.
There are no other famous Jefferson Davises in America.
dan friesen
He's a big old racist, which is a huge reason of why Alex would be fine living under his form of tyranny.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex uses this construction, the idea that if the globalists were just like Boss Hogg, he wouldn't be fighting them as a way to make the globalists sound worse.
But if you think about it for even a couple of minutes, it makes Alex look way worse.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
dan friesen
Why wouldn't he fight Boss Hogg?
That dude was a petty dictator over the whole county, and he specifically used his power to make the lives of individual residents worse.
Alex is supposed to be the guy who's mad at corruption, but he has no problem with this kind of corruption, which makes you think that maybe it's not corruption that he wants to fight so badly.
No.
He kind of tells on himself a little bit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, he, like most people with a lot of money, tends to believe that people should be kept in line.
Whatever order is more important.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Because the people can't be trusted.
They're just chickens with their heads cut off running around willy-nilly.
dan friesen
Him and Boss Hogg would probably agree on that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, and if you are against Boss Hogg, canonically, you have a very specific car with a very specific flag on it.
dan friesen
You know what?
jordan holmes
It turns out that the good guys and the bad guys on this show have something like maybe there's not that much difference between the two of them at the end of the day.
dan friesen
What about Cooter?
jordan holmes
I don't really know Cooter that well.
dan friesen
You don't know Cooter?
jordan holmes
No, I don't.
No, I don't.
This guy.
Nope.
It's fucking dead.
dan friesen
Wants to comment on General Lee and doesn't know about Cooter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex is mad at Todd Blanche.
jordan holmes
Where's Andy Griffith lie on the Civil War?
You know, I haven't really considered that.
We never really dealt with the Confederate flag and Andy Griffith.
dan friesen
Well, there was a great episode of Bananas for Bonanza where they were talking about how one of the Cartwright boys was mad at the union.
Oh, yeah, they were on the side of the Confederacy.
jordan holmes
They picked his side for sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Andy Griffith, he's too folksy for war.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, that's smart.
That's smart.
dan friesen
So Alex, he's at war.
Sure.
With Todd Blanche.
jordan holmes
With the Todd Blanche.
dan friesen
And it's getting ugly.
alex jones
I get the phone calls.
I get the threats.
I get the what do you want stuff?
What do I want?
I want you to stop running the country into an iceberg, dumbass.
Can you think second, third, fourth order, Todd Blanche?
You eat brownie points with your buddies, the Democrats, when you're trying to indict Trump's attack dogs?
And by the way, we've been under attack.
We need attack dogs.
jordan holmes
Oh, I was going to say, there's a wolf.
Yeah.
alex jones
You think men do?
We get piled on and attacked and lied about.
You want to put us all in prison?
Well, you guys committed a bunch of crimes.
So fuck you.
Fuck you.
jordan holmes
We don't know how to lie down.
alex jones
I don't know how to get on my knees.
You can pull your pecker out and have me suck it so you feel powerful.
Don't know how to suck your dick, Blanche.
dan friesen
Okay, family show.
This is drifting quite a ways away from Marjorie Taylor Greene.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Strange.
jordan holmes
I mean, I definitely would say that it would undercut his message if he was like, I specialize in foot jobs.
That would really take it down enough.
dan friesen
Can we make a deal?
jordan holmes
Can we listen?
You don't even want it.
I don't use enough spit.
I have a very dry mouth.
My teeth are everywhere.
dan friesen
Let's meet in the middle.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
And my feet are surprisingly dainty.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is all this just.
I do think it was a good save on his part with the attack dogs thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're trying to stop Trump's attack dogs.
We need attack dogs.
jordan holmes
You're trying to indict the people who Trump forces to commit crimes for him?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
Wait, no, no, no, but they're good now.
dan friesen
Yeah, no.
Because everyone else commits crime.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Great.
jordan holmes
Fuck you for committing crimes.
dan friesen
So Alex is at war.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And I think that we've heard him talk about this recently and make a commitment.
Do you remember what his commitment was?
No.
He was going to stop doing something.
Something that he loves very much.
jordan holmes
Speeding?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
I don't remember.
dan friesen
He said he was going to stop watching movies.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
That's what he was going to stop doing.
jordan holmes
What movie did he watch?
dan friesen
Running man.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there was.
alex jones
Neighborhood watch or whatever.
He could go to the extreme like the running man.
Boy, I saw that last night.
jordan holmes
Boy, I saw that.
alex jones
Excellent.
Only a little bit of political correctness in it.
Super cheesy, the Max.
Wow, I haven't seen Hollywood make a decent action film in years.
I thought I was hallucinating.
I'm going to go see it again.
jordan holmes
Edgar Wright's great.
alex jones
So, also, PTSD for what I've been through, I tell you, I'm the we're the running man, I'm telling you.
So, so how rigged everything is now, every step of the way, they just say, join us now.
It's never too late.
Betray this person, blow them on.
Nope, nope, nope, nope.
I'm like watching this movie, and I'm like, wow, I'd actually live this, but in the information war.
dan friesen
Yeah, makes sense.
Yep.
I like, he was saying that he, like, he's only going to watch one movie a month.
Like, he's got it.
He's got to be so committed to the info war.
But he's like, I'm going to see this again.
You got to wait a month, man.
You can't do this.
Your commitment to this InfoWar thing is a little false.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I would even go so far as to say I don't think that's a good commitment to the InfoWar.
Only watching one movie a month?
I mean, you got to cut them all out, or you just got to let movies happen when they happen.
dan friesen
But also, like, the information war is about predictive programming and all that shit.
So you've got to watch a ton of movies.
jordan holmes
Well, movies are also part of the information war.
dan friesen
It's studying.
jordan holmes
So you have to watch the movies.
dan friesen
Yeah, dick.
jordan holmes
By not watching the movies, you're actually doing a disservice to the information war.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're focusing on the wrong thing.
dan friesen
Also, I've not seen The Running Man.
I ended up seeing it, but I bet there's more PC stuff in it than he thinks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, Edgar Wright's usually pretty on the nose about it.
But, you know, I do miss Sub-Zero.
I would have liked it.
I'm a big Sub-Zero fan.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
I'm a huge, the original Running Man.
He was on ice.
It seemed like he had.
Yeah, he had a good.
unidentified
He was very sharp.
jordan holmes
It was a sharp hockey stick.
Yeah.
I thought he had a good chance, but no, Schwarzenegger won in the end.
dan friesen
So another movie.
Well, Dracula.
jordan holmes
Which Dracula?
Is there a new Dracula?
dan friesen
No, there's a bunch of them, though.
jordan holmes
There are a bunch of them.
dan friesen
So many.
jordan holmes
They have made a lot.
dan friesen
And so in this next clip, Alex rambles around a bit comparing Todd Blanche to Dracula.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
What do you think?
Trying to indict Ed Martin and people, make him go away?
Opposite's going to happen.
Trying to destroy Trump with your bosses before the Democrats.
How'd that work out for you?
See, you're not dealing with an asleep public anymore.
You thought you had an intimidated public before.
Vast majority were asleep.
Some were intimidated.
No, You got to fight now.
You ain't a vampire sneaking in at night, drinking some blood out of somebody's throat.
You're a vampire trying to flap through the window at high noon and have a little snack.
jordan holmes
He would be dead.
alex jones
All they got to do is open the drapes.
What happens?
You're literally.
Blanche was putting this way.
You're like Count Dracula climbing out of his coffin at like noon and just trying to go for a walk in the park.
Is that advisable?
Because seriously, that's like Count Dracula taking a hike outside at high noon.
What happens to Count Dracula when he takes a hike outside of high noon?
I mean, did you not think if you indict Ed Martin, going up against the obvious corrupt Democrats, because he actually finally squeezed through some indictments, forced it through, and it scares the shit out of you people, you think the answer is to put him in prison?
Sean, that's the opposite of being a rocket scientist.
I don't know what the guys are mixing here.
They'll say, this is a threat.
Whatever.
That's not a threat.
I have no idea what the guys are mixing here on TV.
This is Vlad the Impaler.
Oh, they just Googled something about Dracula, I guess.
Yeah, and then that just came up.
Just show a classic Dracula.
Like, what's that?
Who was the first Dracula, really famous one on movies?
Bella Lugosi.
Show that.
Don't do it.
They'll say, Jones showed spears through him, and I'll be in front of some judge.
I'm not mad at the crew.
They're just typing stuff in, like, Dracula, and that popped up.
That's not a threat.
I'm on the absolute opposite of that.
God Almighty.
dan friesen
So that was an unfortunate clip for the crew to pull up because it made the threatening tone Alex was using far too explicit to the point where Alex had to comment on it.
He was describing Todd Blanche as being Dracula, who would prefer to sneak in and kill people under the cover of night.
But now the public is awake to his vampirism.
So he has to come around during the day, which will kill him because he's a vampire.
The metaphor Alex is using is inherently violent.
It's just that most people understand that violence against vampires is justified.
There isn't a compromise you can make with Dracula.
He wants to kill you for your blood.
So the only thing you can do is kill him first.
The idea, that's the idea that Alex is playing around with in his talk about Blanche.
He's not actually a vampire, so the sun isn't going to kill him.
This is all a metaphor.
The sunlight in this metaphor is public intimidation from Trump fanatics.
In the sunlight, you can't go after Ed Martin because the lunatics in the base will launch harassment campaigns against you and possibly even kill you for trying.
Marjorie Taylor Greene had to live in the sunlight, and she chose to quit rather than try to deal with the fanatical mobs of Trump supporters.
She built a career on whipping into frenzies.
This is what Alex and his type of folk in the media used to be able to offer a politician or public figure.
They could distract and redirect the attention of dipshits online.
They were able to provide shade from that sunlight, or conversely, they could draw back that shade and force someone who was once their ally to face the public harassment that their distractions held at bay.
This game doesn't work anymore, though, because the influence of various online idiots has become too diffuse.
There's no monoculture of Trump fanaticism, and the factions have no interest in working together anymore.
Alex can be trying to focus on this metaphorical sunlight on Todd Blanche, but there are other people with huge audiences who aren't willing to let Trump off the hook for his part in all this shit.
And there are plenty of other people with their own targets.
I think the lesson that these folks should be learning is that none of them have the power to go into business for themselves, and that they only really can get anything done if they work together.
They need to have a consensus target or else everything just gets too messy.
And I think that Alex's instinct with scapegoating Todd Blanche, it's pretty good.
And that it helps get Trump off the hook for a number of the inexcusable things that he's done.
Like Todd Blanche is directly involved with Ghelain Maxwell, like going to interview her before she got taken to a nicer prison.
There's a number of things that you could really scapegoat on him.
I think in the past, this would have been a great call.
But Alex is too personally invested for this to fly.
He's one of the people that Ed Martin is likely in trouble for giving sensitive information.
He's the reason that Ed Martin got in trouble with this Andy Hook thing, like sending a letter that they were going to go after the plaintiffs.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one was probably bad.
dan friesen
Alex can't credibly present himself as an independent voice in this.
So no matter what he does, his yelling about how everyone needs to attack Blanche is always going to look personally biased.
This is one of the many reasons that you can't get close to power if you're someone who's pretending to be the kind of guy that Alex pretends to be.
You can't have your own personal motives intersecting with the conspiracies that you promote.
It just is going to make it more difficult to get anyone to listen.
It's like, oh, this is just you.
This is your thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think it's interesting that our culture has adopted Dracula in the way that it has because ironically, for Alex, Dracula is a great literary reference because it was borderline just the great replacement theory in fictional form.
So that kind of concept of the other is coming to take our shit, that's right there built in there.
And he doesn't even see that that is like what he is afraid of.
It's fascinating.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But that's because people don't read anymore, Dan.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
People don't read.
dan friesen
No, they don't.
jordan holmes
People only see movies once or twice a month, maybe multiple times.
So anywhere between five and seven movies per month.
dan friesen
See, Alex needs to read The Running Man.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Nah, not really.
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
Man, Stephen King.
Listen, I don't have anything to say.
I'm not starting shit.
unidentified
Whoa.
jordan holmes
I'm just saying that I saw a lot of stuff recently.
Uh-huh.
Like The Long Walk.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
The It Welcome to Dairy.
dan friesen
But The Long Walk wasn't like, I mean, he wrote that, but that's not like the movie isn't his fault.
jordan holmes
And then the Dark Tower is his fault.
And like, there are.
dan friesen
Maximum overdrive is his fault.
jordan holmes
It's all his fault.
They're all his fault.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What about the shining?
jordan holmes
I don't know why we keep doing it.
I don't know why we keep doing it, buddy.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I've never been a big Stephen King guy myself.
I don't need you to start a war with him.
jordan holmes
I would love to start a war with Stephen King.
dan friesen
Our podcast is just getting off the ground.
We can't afford a war with Stephen King.
jordan holmes
I want to force him back to cocaine.
That's what I want to do.
alex jones
Damn.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm hard.
dan friesen
So you're making some big stands.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex is in the same kind of mood where he wants to make an ultimatum to Trump.
Okay.
But who cares?
jordan holmes
Who cares?
alex jones
You know what?
Let's play MTG because this ties into it all, and I'm going to come back and make my statement to Trump.
But I'll just kind of precap it here.
President Trump, you already let Bill Barr and all these traders in, and you said you woke up and you didn't know what was happening before.
If you have a deputy AG that we know is blocking all these investigations and is a Democrat and protecting Clapper and Brennan and all Jack Smith and the rest of them and tried to block the Letitia James indictment, the Comey indictment, and is now trying to sabotage it.
If you allow people like Todd Blanch to then persecute and prosecute your champions like Ed Martin and Pulte, I am not going to aid you in your political suicide and my own destruction.
I'll still, on like policies that you're doing, support it, but we need to win the midterms and we need to get this done.
And so how you're screwing this up, I have no idea.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Win the midterms?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Who cares?
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We need to win the midterms.
That's Alex Jones now.
dan friesen
That's Alex Jones now.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
I imagine anybody who thought they were part of something that's really revolutionary and shit.
It has to feel bad to hear Alex saying that.
And it has to give you a feeling of why do you care about this?
But then even if you're Trump or like someone in the Trump administration, how could you care if you heard this from Alex?
This is such impotent rage.
jordan holmes
Ridiculous.
dan friesen
It's just whining.
jordan holmes
What a weird, what a weird distance to travel so quickly.
So, so from five years, we went from, I don't know, let's just take it over to we got to win the midterms.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's crazy.
It's such a strange dynamic that I think I did feel a bit when listening and preparing this episode that like he kind of has a feeling of like everything's normal.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like the midterm, caring about the midterm seems so strange.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
You have to actually think that like, oh, the Dems are going to win and then it's going to be a real problem for me.
jordan holmes
What are they going to argue about?
Most of the stuff he does, he just goes, I think I do this today.
And then nobody knows how to stop him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Because we're all children, I guess.
dan friesen
I think emotionally, on some level, he's still living in a world where Hillary won and like everything's a game.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't think that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if adults are in charge, the game is fun.
That's just kind of how it is.
dan friesen
And I think he just can't wrestle with the amount of damage that he and his people have done to the world.
jordan holmes
It's hard to really wrestle with because it's so big.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And the ripples of it are four-dimensional.
Like, you don't even know how bad you've made things yet.
dan friesen
Yeah, and they implicate Alex directly.
So I can understand why he wouldn't want to think about it.
jordan holmes
I would feel pretty guilty.
dan friesen
So look, man, Trump, all he had to do with Marjorie.
Sure.
Just be classy.
That's all he had to do.
jordan holmes
Be classy.
Okay.
alex jones
Trump is not MAGA.
I'm not saying he's not part of MAGA.
I'm saying make America Grading is really America first or restore the Republic.
And Trump has been a supporter of that for 50 years.
He's a great guy, but he's not the ocean.
We are the ocean.
We are the people.
He's the surfboarder that rode in on the wave, and we support him if he stays true to that.
But stuff like, oh, I'm glad MTG left.
That's wonderful.
Ha ha ha.
And calling her a traitor and all this other stuff is just really stupid and really hurts you in the poll numbers.
And people really don't like it.
And the polls are out.
It was very damaging.
And all you had to do was be classy about this.
dan friesen
All you had to do was be classy.
jordan holmes
Just be classy.
I mean, that it's like a fundamental misunderstanding of reality that makes me question my own understanding of reality.
Like the idea of somebody like that going, just be classy and not recognizing that this is the least classy person who has most aggressively attacked the very concept of classy by putting McDonald's in a gold toilet.
Like this is a disgusting, unclassy man, and that's why you liked him.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think that recognizing that that's why you liked him hurts.
And I think that there is a need to be like all of that stuff that Trump was doing, attacking everybody and being a huge piece of shit.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like we liked that because we told ourselves it was strategic.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And if he were to be classy with Marjorie Taylor Greene, instead of attacking her in the same way that he attacks everybody, we could tell ourselves that all that other stuff was strategic.
But this is so unstrategic that it calls into question what we pretended had meaning when it didn't.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Well, I mean, yeah, essentially you would have to say, oh, this is a consequence of my actions.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I am responsible for what is happening.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And that's just verboten.
That is just the one thing that they cannot ever do.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We enjoyed this cruelty and awfulness because it was kind of, it kind of worked.
And we are now in the thrall of a cruel, awful person who is being cruel and awful to us.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And we want to pretend that it's a mistake.
jordan holmes
Especially because everybody told us this was going to happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everybody.
dan friesen
It's fucking obvious.
jordan holmes
Like thousands upon thousands of years of human history told us this was going to happen.
And we were like, maybe we got it this time.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's cool.
Anyway, Marjorie told Alex some inside baseball stuff.
Sure.
Basically about how Trump was covering up the Epstein things.
Yeah.
And that's not great.
alex jones
Of course, telling me inside baseball, and none of it was bad because I already know from other sources and from Trump.
Well, not that bad.
That's true.
But he was reiterating it to her, but going a little further.
And that's the sad part about it.
Trump never touched an underage girl.
There's no evidence that witnesses all of it.
But he thinks these people are so high-powered will bring the country down.
And his goal is to save the country.
We have a disagreement.
So he thinks covering it up, and plus the trail's old and they hid the real evidence.
And that's his deciding thing is it's all crap and it's old and they hid the real stuff and I'm just moving on.
You can pragmatically see that argument.
You don't have to attack and savage people that disagree with you over the moral issue of not being able to make that decision you made, which I said I could understand.
I didn't endorse because they'd stab you in the back.
Now, was I right?
And I know you guys reached out and agree with me now.
I was right.
You were wrong, Mr. President.
So I'm trying to get you to stop destroying yourself and us along with you.
Well, you have Bill Pultey over here trying to put us all in prison.
I thought I had three years to save the country before that new group tried to throw me in prison.
No, we don't have to wait.
They're trying right now.
Yeah, not just Martin.
Me.
That's stupid.
So, thanks a lot, pal.
You think I'm going to just go away because of that?
Hey, sonny, we can throw you in prison.
Oh, really?
I didn't know that.
How many times do you people have to do your little vague, vague threats to me?
Just say it out loud, okay?
It doesn't work.
In fact, it has the opposite effect.
Don't you understand?
I'm a fighter.
dan friesen
Alex said Bill Pultey there, but he just misspoke.
He met Todd Blanche.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Pulte is another guy that Blanche might be investigating for leaking information that could taint DOJ investigation.
What you hear in that clip is a man trying to reassure himself that he's always right and did everything right.
It was totally cool that he came up with this rationalization for how Trump could cover up the Epstein stuff.
This is the stuff that comes to mind for Alex when he covers Marjorie Taylor Greene quitting, because her resignation forces him to look in the mirror on this shit.
The fact that she quit makes it too clear that Alex could quit.
And then it raises the question, why hasn't he?
And Alex doesn't have a good answer, so he gets mad.
I find it interesting that Alex thought that he had three years to save the country, which means that he knew that Trump would act in ways that would lead to a Democratic win in the 2026 midterms, which would then get Trump impeached.
It's a telling insight into Alex's political mind because it tells you that he's still working on the same kind of business as usual framework.
He thinks that if he can't pull off this authoritarian overthrow of the country before those midterms, then the Dems will win and impeach Trump and we'll be back to square one.
We'll have a lame duck president Vance and then we'll have to start from scratch for the 2028 election.
He doesn't seem to fully grasp how much his side has completely fucked up the idea of representative government and the damage that can't be undone, that there's no normal to go back to.
Like this is just shit.
jordan holmes
No, we gotta, we gotta re-I mean, we gotta rewire just about everything.
dan friesen
We gotta reconsider some fundamentals.
Absolutely.
I don't think that there's anything that's acceptable other than a real reckoning once this is over with what happened and how this happened and the damage that it did to countless American lives.
And pretending that like, oh, yeah, the Dems will win the midterm and impeach Trump.
Yeah.
And then maybe what?
You're going to go back to Rand Paul?
The fuck are you going to do?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, at a certain point, if Brutus was like, hey, guys, let's impeach him.
I think everybody would have gone, that's not going to be good enough these days.
That's just not how it's going to go, buddy.
dan friesen
Yeah, and leaving aside whatever kind of consequence or whatever waits for Trump, this is your life for the rest of your life, Alex.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You did this.
jordan holmes
You never can't not do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's in the past.
dan friesen
Is your legacy dip shit?
Anyway, look, Trump, he didn't do any Epstein stuff.
jordan holmes
You know, you're in the winning side of an argument when you're like, he didn't touch any underage girls.
dan friesen
Well, it's a critical distinction.
And Alex goes on to explain that Trump, you know, it's just like his friends are going to go down.
He doesn't want that.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
And what Trump's really worried about is a bunch of his business partners, not him, involved in a bunch of chicanery because that's really what Epstein was doing.
The girls was like beer nuts on the counter.
jordan holmes
So it's kind of like a pedophile billionaire.
alex jones
Not the main course.
As I told you, money laundering hundreds of millions through Harvard alone over the decades, sending it out, sending it back, all of this USAID crap, all of it.
And it's all coming out.
I'm like, what are you worried about?
I know Trump's business.
unidentified
He's not been involved in that.
alex jones
But he may fight with Harvard and their 54 million endowment.
May do that stuff and like try to get them to do what he wants, but he wants to be in charge of that all.
He doesn't want to have the corruption anymore, but he wants to be, he doesn't want to smash institutions.
dan friesen
A couple of quick points.
One, if your business partners are deeply involved in money laundering with a guy who ran a sex trafficking and blackmail operation, then you're almost definitely also involved in that money laundering.
These aren't people you know.
These are your business partners.
I don't think this is the defense Alex wants it to be.
I think he doesn't realize what he's saying.
jordan holmes
You had to do due diligence and they gave you their numbers and you were like, oh, I want to get into business with you.
dan friesen
We are business partners.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Two, Alex is making it too obvious that Trump doesn't want to destroy these money laundering operations because he wants to run them.
This is also not the defense Alex wants it to be, but instead, it makes Trump look like a mob boss who just wants to use the power of the state to intimidate his competition, which lines up with the way that Alex would have described Trump in 2015 before he decided that he was God's chosen ruler.
jordan holmes
It sounds exactly like that.
It sounds almost freakishly like exactly that.
dan friesen
Trump doesn't want to destroy these things.
He doesn't want the corruption.
He just wants to run it.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He wants to run the corruption.
jordan holmes
He's using the chaos and the additional power at the certain time to make a play for a larger amount of territory and power that he'll then use to make more.
Oh, no, that's a mob boss.
alex jones
Yep.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right.
dan friesen
So I'm glad Alex is not, he doesn't have to decide to leave that yet.
jordan holmes
Now's not the time.
dan friesen
You got to pray about that.
You got to pray.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you got to pray.
dan friesen
So Marjorie Taylor Greene has quit.
Trump has been a real asshole.
Yep.
And Laura Loomer has come out and celebrated.
Yeah.
Because she still loves Trump.
She hates Marjorie Taylor Greene.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
And she thinks that this is quite a victory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex is not happy.
alex jones
That's why I'm really mad at Laura Loomer.
Laura Loomer has been harassed.
She's been driven out of the before.
They've tried to put her in prison.
She knows the stuff's real.
I've been swatted.
My family's been swatted.
Most of this crew's been swatted.
MTG's been swatted over and over again on record.
Look at all the Republicans have been shot, killed, you name it.
Scalise the list goes on and on.
Look at where Rand Paul attacked all those times.
And Laura Loomer said, oh, his neighbor's town, and they didn't have a report of it.
She called the wrong town.
Plus, usually it takes days even get a police report out.
The point is, you don't think she's been threatened?
You don't think people didn't come to her house?
You don't think the left didn't false flag it, guaranteed, and harass her to try to push her out?
I know it's him because conservatives really don't do that very often.
And she says, no, you are a liar.
And so then the thing was everybody, yeah, she's a liar.
There's no one harassing her.
I guess Todd Blanch isn't trying to indict Ed Martin either, right?
dan friesen
Stop trying to make this all about Todd Blanche.
jordan holmes
Not gonna work.
dan friesen
Come on, man.
Not gonna work.
It's a little painfully transparent.
But yeah, I like this.
Marjorie Taylor Greene was harassed, and it was a false flag by the Democrats in order to make conservatives look bad.
jordan holmes
I like that.
That I like.
I like to never have responsibility for anything, to never be a party to anything, even you are doing at the time.
You can be in the middle of doing something you personally and be like, look at all these leftists doing the thing I'm doing wrongly.
dan friesen
I just had a fantasy of like Alex giving an apology for something.
I'd like to apologize for my actions.
jordan holmes
They were a false flag.
They were all these leftists who were inside of me at the time.
Yeah.
Crazy.
dan friesen
So Laura Loomer needs to stop.
Sure.
This has got to stop.
jordan holmes
I agree with that, but for very different reasons.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
But Alex's take on this is basically like they need to stop because women, when they get to fighting.
jordan holmes
See, very different reasons.
Already out the gate.
Very different reasons.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And I'm not even trying to be mean to you or start a fight with you.
Fine, come on the show.
I just get your act together.
You're smart.
You do a lot of great work for free speech before.
So much what you do, I agree with.
And then you do this fighting with people stuff.
You don't think I couldn't start a fight up with Nick Fuentez and be all in this or start a fight up with Tucker Carlson or start a fight with Candace Owens?
It's just all of that.
Notice Tucker doesn't do that.
Other than when somebody poked at his dad.
And I'm not mad at Nick.
Nick didn't understand what he was doing.
I mean, the point is.
jordan holmes
Yes, he did.
Everybody does.
Everybody understands.
alex jones
They're not in junior high.
jordan holmes
They're choosing it.
alex jones
And you're not in junior high, and you have a lot of power.
You got the presidents here.
And MTG is a good person.
And I tried to get you years ago to stop it.
But it's the oldest the Bible or older women fighting each other and bringing down empires, I tell you.
I tell you.
Absolutely insane.
jordan holmes
Name all those empires brought down by women fighting.
I'll take my time.
I'll take my answer off air.
dan friesen
So many, so many emperors all brought to their knees by women fighting.
jordan holmes
Two women fighting each other.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
jordan holmes
They just...
dan friesen
I do like the Tucker Carlson doesn't do that.
Oh, wait.
There was just a huge example of Tucker doing that.
jordan holmes
Absurd.
dan friesen
And yeah, Alex doesn't fight with Nick and Tucker now.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But if it were advantageous to him, he would.
That's what he did with Rogan.
I mean, if Tucker were to turn on Alex, he would fight him like crazy to try and get on the show again.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
There is never an answer that it can be boiled down to.
He doesn't do that except for when he does that will ever be satisfactory.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's ridiculous.
How dare you?
dan friesen
Especially he doesn't do that except for when he does, which was very recently and very embarrassing.
And then he had Nick on his show.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So I'm going to assume he's going to do that more than.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
So then, so when you say he never does that.
dan friesen
When the mood strikes, he'll do that.
jordan holmes
Right.
See, that's the thing.
It's the mood that I don't want to navigate around.
dan friesen
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's not a woman.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He's not going to take down an empire.
He's not going to take down an empire, that's for sure.
dan friesen
So we have one last clip.
And Alex says in.
jordan holmes
It's just of the Jin dynasty falling as two women argue.
dan friesen
No, it's Alex has introduced Roger.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
He's given Roger some topics and stuff and done his like, Roger, hey.
jordan holmes
JFK.
dan friesen
Right.
No, but he kind of gave Roger a running start as if they were going to have an interview.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And so Roger answers some of his questions and then gets confused that Alex isn't there anymore.
unidentified
Of course.
But they are looking down the road to civil war.
They're the ones who want a civil war.
They're the ones who advocate violence.
They're the ones who advocate insurrection.
You can never forget their constant use of Alinsky's rules.
Anything they accuse us of is always exactly precisely what they themselves are doing.
jordan holmes
But that's what you're doing.
unidentified
If I continue to.
All right, great.
I am particularly glad I asked to come on today because it is the 62nd anniversary of the murder of President John F. Kennedy.
dan friesen
This whole shit, it just feels like it's coming apart at the seams.
Like these alliances can't hold.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex has to be against Marjorie Taylor Greene if he wants to placate Roger.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He needs to be absolutely in step with Trump if he wants to be able to exist in the same space as Roger.
So the compromise that it feels like is going on now is just like, all right, Roger, I'm not even going to be on air with you.
jordan holmes
I'll see you on the other side.
dan friesen
Yeah, if I can avoid getting into a place where we have to argue, I'm going to do that.
But that's not a permanent solution.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I think that over time, all we're seeing is more and more people who are in Alex's sphere, in his orbit, that are becoming a problem.
Nick Fuentes is a problem for him because he can say things that Alex can't.
And Marjorie Taylor Greene now is going to be a problem if he ever has her back on the show.
Yep.
Because she is going to have a perspective he can't have.
When he had people like Max Blumenthal on or Elijah Schaefer, these people are able to criticize Trump in a way that Alex isn't free to.
The proportion of those people is going to keep increasing unless Alex fortifies and only has people like Roger on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's the choice that he's being presented with.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does feel like the currency of the upcoming future will be freedom.
That will be what attracts people is the just like, oh shit, you are truly unencumbered.
The idea of like, fuck it.
Say whatever the fuck you want.
Like literally anything you want.
It doesn't even matter anymore will be the most attractive kind of thing.
dan friesen
I think it will, but I think that it is and has always been to some degree.
But I think that some people are able to fake it.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Well, because you can create a facsimile of being able to say whatever you want by just saying horribly offensive things.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's not saying whatever you want.
That's just being an asshole.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like Alex can scream about how he can't suck a dick or whatever, and that's masking that he can't say certain things about Trump.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
It's masking that he, in many ways, is giving oral pleasure to a lot of people.
dan friesen
But he has the freedom to say these things that are shocking and weird and outside of what you'd see on Fox or whatever.
But it really just is to obscure the fact that he is more muzzled than many other commentators might be.
Yeah.
And I think that getting real with that and it being inescapable for him is going to be a crisis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, that's the double-edged sword of like choosing a thing of being like, well, I'm Trump now.
That means you're not free.
And so the only way to be free is to remove that completely.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
dan friesen
And like, it's one thing to be like, I'm into Trump and I'm going to support this.
It's another thing to do whatever Alex has done and hang out with Roger.
And like this, that is like you can be free if you change your mind on Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex has a lot of other steps he needs to take before that freedom is even like within his grasp.
Him pretending that he's going to pray about this or whatever.
It's like, it's delusional.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You don't, there's no light switch that goes on and off with your Trump support.
You're a media surrogate for this guy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You've got to change your name.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is, I mean, yeah, I think at this point, regardless of what decision he does make in the future, there was a time to leave.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
That time passed.
So he is responsible.
Even if he leaves now, it is meaningless.
dan friesen
The time to leave was probably 2017.
Well, probably pretty soon after the first election.
jordan holmes
Yeah, probably.
dan friesen
That would have been a good time to maintain a little bit of integrity and still do the kind of damage that you want to do towards public institutions.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, he's like fucked.
And I think it's interesting how this is all having to play out.
Yeah.
I think the instinct to make Marjorie Taylor Greene quitting mostly about Todd Blanche is a strong impulse.
I think it would have worked 20 years ago.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
But it is not going to work now.
Not going to do it.
And yeah.
We'll see what he does.
jordan holmes
You just can't defend.
You can't defend it.
Like I would, I'm amazed, you know, because you can't defe.
Like, it doesn't matter how left-wing somebody was.
It doesn't matter if Bernie Sanders was doing literally everything I said.
If he was like, oh, yeah, and he hung out with Epstein all the time.
I'd be like, well, I'm not going to defend him at all ever.
Done.
I'm out.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm done.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why?
You can't defend it.
dan friesen
The compromise of like whatever the policies that he believes in that I support, that compromise is no longer valuable.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like the balance is totally off.
jordan holmes
And do you know what?
There's some other asshole who believes that same shit who could probably do just as good a job who hasn't been with Epstein.
So let's just get that asshole.
dan friesen
Yep.
That's yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
See, that's, yeah, that's going to be a problem for me.
It's just, I have a hard time even figuring out what do you say because he is saying Trump is covering up Epstein and I'm fine with it.
jordan holmes
And I'm fine with it.
dan friesen
His business partners were involved in this and money laundering and all this stuff.
And it's too risky for him to do the right thing.
So we're just going to be fine with him doing the wrong thing.
I don't even have anything like I don't have accusation.
jordan holmes
No, he's saying it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's just saying it.
When we see this in movies, it is when the main character knuckles up and like overcomes the challenge.
That's the hero's journey in a nutshell.
At no point in time does the hero's journey go like, you know, Darth Vader's fine.
I mean, the Emperor's a fairly good administrator.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And Marjorie Taylor Greene is just essentially like staked acclaim as a public voice of like, I am not okay with this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
And Alderana is Venezuela.
And it makes sense.
Sure.
dan friesen
Shouldn't have those boats.
jordan holmes
Shouldn't have those votes.
dan friesen
So we'll be back to see where Alex goes with this, see if he watches any more movies that he identifies with personally.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Yeah, and now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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