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#1091: November 4, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan celebrate receiving some new wrist accessories and discuss Alex celebrating the death of one of his great villains, Dick Cheney.

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alex jones
26:41
d
dan friesen
52:55
g
gavin mcinnes
06:16
j
jordan holmes
31:04
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sean duffy
00:45
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Speaker Time Text
gavin mcinnes
I have great respect for the knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
gavin mcinnes
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pansy.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Panzer.
gavin mcinnes
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for all those.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin calling with you today.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bride's about today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, there's any number of things that could have been my bright shit.
Sure.
But as soon as you showed up here at the studio today, we had to dip into the mailbag.
Yep.
What should pop out of this mailbag?
gavin mcinnes
Something beautiful.
dan friesen
An amazing thing.
Got a little package from Eric.
Thank you so much, Eric.
Yeah.
This person went to Alex's bankruptcy auction and bought two of his watches, which we are now wearing.
jordan holmes
We are now recording our first Alex watch episode.
Yep, this is...
dan friesen
Looking at this watch, it's about time for us to start the pod.
jordan holmes
The time is currently not moving because I do not know how watches work.
dan friesen
Batteries might be dead, but they're nice watches.
They're definitely, neither of us are watch people.
We're not much, you know, I had to.
I have my pinky ring that I'll wear from time to time, but it feels extravagant in a way.
But it's a thrill.
It's absolutely a thrill to theoretically be wearing some of Alex's property.
jordan holmes
It really is.
It really is a tactile feeling of victory.
It is a trophy.
It is a trophy that we have ripped from the entrails of our kill.
dan friesen
And I realized as soon as I opened the box and I looked at the note, I realized that I never would have asked anybody to do this.
Yeah.
But I did really want someone to do that.
Yeah.
did want a piece of alex's shit i mean it's no desk but i mean but it fits in the in the apartment absolutely The desk would be a hindrance.
jordan holmes
It'd be a nightmare.
We'd have to get a whole studio just for the desk.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, I had a bright spot, but I mean, fuck me.
These things are ridiculous.
This is too nice.
This is too...
dan friesen
There was another thing in the mailbag.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
There is a match.
dan friesen
If you want to also get the thank you to the person who sent you a little hat.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
We got some stuff from Portland.
Mr. Kylie sent us some Portland Thorns scarfs.
dan friesen
Your favorite team.
jordan holmes
Yeah, whenever we were in Portland, my wife was, we went and watched a game, had a ton of fun.
They listened and sent us some scarves because whenever we go for the show in December, they will not be playing on account of it will be too cold.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it'll be just cold enough for a scarf.
jordan holmes
It will be.
So we'll have these, or at least I'll probably have them.
Or I will forget in the meantime.
dan friesen
Yeah, probably.
jordan holmes
But we'll probably see you there.
dan friesen
So, yeah, that's very nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We got a good bright spot day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But look at that.
jordan holmes
I mean, seriously.
dan friesen
I feel like rich.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel wearing a watch makes me feel insanely rich.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
It hurts my.
I've never physically had a watch like this on my body before.
dan friesen
The blood is not coming through to your hand fully.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
It's crazy.
It's wild.
I want to take it off, but we're going to record with it on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's charging your blood attacks as it goes through to your hand and back.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
You can afford to lose a little bit of feeling in your hand.
dan friesen
Tingle.
unidentified
That's the yep.
jordan holmes
That's the rich way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
All right.
We're going to be talking about Alex on November 4th, 2025.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
I don't know if you know the significance of this day.
jordan holmes
Remember, remember the 4th of November, the day before another stuff thing happened.
dan friesen
Well, there's two things.
One, we've got a lot of elections that are coming up.
Sure.
You know, Mamdani in New York.
We've got a lot of stuff going on.
And then second, Dick Cheney's dead.
jordan holmes
Dick Cheney's dead.
unidentified
Good for us.
dan friesen
So how can you not check in to see how Alex is doing with the death of one of his grand villains?
So yeah, we're going to check in, see how he's doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it's good.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I think we should all celebrate.
He's one of history's great villains, to be honest.
dan friesen
Alex will say maybe three times, I don't celebrate people's deaths.
jordan holmes
But fuck that guy.
No, that's fair.
I think that's a fair take.
dan friesen
So we'll get down to this, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, happy birthday, Sergeant Walrus.
Every day with you is a demon feast.
I love you despite your scarily good Alex impersonation from Miss Kay and the tiny pig.
Thank you so much, you're an Alopalsy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, the cuck destruction was an inside job.
Thank you so much, you're an Alopalsy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And hi, Raz.
Yes, you, Raz.
I still proudly display my gay frog in the library and it confuses the students.
Yes, we should meet soon.
Thank you so much, you're an Alopalsy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much, too.
If you want to give a shout out, I humbly request that Dan do his best chicken squawking impression.
jordan holmes
That was great.
dan friesen
That was actually pretty great.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, you're a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Shark.
Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb.
Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That was great.
dan friesen
Maybe this is my new thing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'm honestly surprised.
You have a pretty solid chicken.
alex jones
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Hey, all right.
unidentified
How about that?
dan friesen
That's one of that'll be my going on the acting reel or something.
jordan holmes
You've got a Pablo Francisco-like career ahead of you.
dan friesen
Sweet.
So, Jordan, Dick Cheney's dead.
Yep.
And Alex starts off the show by playing a special report that he recorded upon learning that Dick Cheney was dead.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Dick Cheney, one of the most evil men in modern history, died yesterday at 84.
And whereas I don't really like to ever celebrate anybody's death, this is just another bellwether sign of the old evil neocon globalist establishment dying and passing away.
His daughter being thrown out of Congress with the lowest approval rating ever in the low 20s is just emblematic of humanity rejecting their evil.
They knowingly lied about WMDs.
They created the Project for the American Century a year before 9-11, calling for a catalyzing terror attack that would kill 3,000 people.
They said the same number as Pearl Harbor is 3,000.
9-11, 3,000.
dan friesen
I feel like Alex doesn't really know that much about Dick Cheney.
While he's doing this special report about Cheney's death, one of the first data points he brings up is about Liz Cheney having low approval ratings in Congress, and then he drops a reference to the project for a new American century.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
One of the reasons that you can tell that Alex's interest in this topic is really shallow is that he said that Cheney created PNAC the year before 9-11 or in 2000.
This is because the document that Alex misrepresents about the new Pearl Harbor thing titled Rebuilding America's Defenses was published in 2000.
The think tank itself was founded in 1997.
And although Dick Cheney signed on with their founding publication titled Statement of Principles, he didn't run the group.
There's a lot of bad stuff that you could say about Dick Cheney.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And you should.
Why not?
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
But it seems like Alex just has buzzwords.
He just has fun conspiracy buzzwords to throw out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I suppose the thing about it that sucks, right, is that we should all celebrate because he can't hurt us anymore.
But in terms of like this guy, he escaped.
He won.
He died without any consequences for being Dick Cheney, right?
So there's no celebration there.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've heard that angle.
And, you know, I'm up in the air about it a little bit.
jordan holmes
He won.
He got out, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, good for him.
Who knows how much pain he had throughout those later years?
You know, you say, you know, there was never any consequences and maybe not direct ones.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Age hurts us all.
Let's face it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It sucks to be, you know, old.
And I guess he was 40% robot at the end.
dan friesen
Yeah, some kind of responsibility could be nice.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And accountability was never really had.
And that sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah, but I mean, if you take a full accounting of him, there's no side that you get to win on, right?
If you take a full accounting of Dick Cheney, you'll find Dick Cheney in every aspect of the government since fucking H.W. was vice president.
He has a Ford.
Yeah, so he's had shit in his fingers have been everywhere.
You don't get to like, hey, we're the good guys if you account for what Dick Cheney did.
You just pick like, he was the bad guy in 9-11, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
So, you know, there is something to that, like, in as much as, like, there's no way to make his legacy good.
Yeah.
And maybe that's its own punishment in a way.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't think history will ever remember.
Like, there'll be a very, very small group of people who ever think that, like, that guy was pretty cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And most of them will be related.
jordan holmes
I would be hard-pressed to find anybody generations later being like, man, the way he bribed all those people was great.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Cheney, he worked for a guy who worked for a guy who tried to do a false flag.
alex jones
That'll happen.
The man worked under Rumsfeld, who was the protege of LL Lemenser that planned Operation Northwoods, the plan to fly planes into buildings and attack U.S. military bases and blame it on Cuba, the Russians, to start a nuclear war.
That plan was killed by Kennedy.
So, ironic an evil, evil, evil person.
dan friesen
If you're following Alex, he's saying that Dick Cheney is evil because he used to work for Donald Rumsfeld, who worked for LL Lemenser, who was super evil.
There is much more direct ways that you could go about indicting Cheney for the horrible things he actually did himself.
You don't have to make these kind of weird tertiary connections.
But Alex does need to do that because it's not good enough that Cheney was a critical piece of pushing the Iraq war and expanding the surveillance state.
Alex needs him to be a link in the larger chain of his grand conspiracy story.
It would be just as valid to say that Roger Stone and Rumsfeld both worked for Nixon, so now Roger's connected to LL Lemenser.
And Alex works with Roger Stone, so Alex himself is basically an acolyte of Ella Lemenser.
jordan holmes
I feel like we're playing six degrees of mass murderer.
dan friesen
Yeah, stupid.
Also, Alex is just wrong about Operation Northwoods, but we've been over that a ton in the past, so let's not dwell.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, what would it be a weird This Is Your Life episode?
That would be a very strange thing if everybody just picked one of the things that Dick Cheney did and was like, I'm just going to focus on what if we just had a book report class where everybody picks a year of Dick Cheney's life and finds the horrible atrocity he committed.
And then you got to do a full book report.
dan friesen
I was going back through some of his history.
Yeah.
And I will say that I did not get as far as I wanted to because I came upon a picture of him with a full head of hair and I had to walk away.
I had to get up from the computer and say, hold on now.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
I can't live in a world with that happening.
dan friesen
Threw me.
Yeah, I bet.
So I just think that Alex is expressing a, I don't really know much about Dick Cheney, but I'm supposed to.
So I'm doing a video about it.
alex jones
Great.
And God knows how many heart transplants he had.
So I'm not going to judge him.
From God's position, I don't know he's burning in hell, but he's burning in hell, in my opinion.
So another one of these evil globalists is no longer on the planet and has now faced death, the ultimate equalizer.
There's so many incredible crimes that Cheney committed.
And the fact that he was really the president, not George W. Bush, who is more just like an oaf.
I don't even really see him as an evil person.
But Herbert Walker Bush's dad, extremely evil.
His father, Prescott Bush, the main bagman for the Nazis, very evil.
And so this is a very, very nasty, nasty, evil group of people.
You got Ben Shapiro and the rest of them saying that the neocons control the conservative MAGA movement and the Tucker Carlson and myself aren't MAGA.
Well, let me tell you something, Mitch Shapiro, you were never Trumper.
You're a neocon.
And so your spirit animal is Dick Cheney.
And so your spirit animal is no longer with us.
So.
jordan holmes
Wait, hold on.
alex jones
You guys are not populists.
You're not conservative.
jordan holmes
I want to examine that.
alex jones
You were pro-poison shot.
You are pro-surveillance state.
You are pro-tyranny.
And you guys saying that Tucker Carlson is the new Hitler is a complete joke.
You guys misrepresent everything.
And just like Dick Cheney, you're on the ash heap of history.
You're unpopular.
And I saw Shapiro yesterday say, We control the conservative movement.
We control MAGA.
We won't let these Nazis take it over.
You're billing everybody that disagrees with you as Nazis.
Almost all of them are not Nazis.
And most of them aren't even anti-Israel.
So you're full of crap, and people see through it.
Follow me on X right here at Rollock Shones.
dan friesen
Okay, so it was not a long video in his car.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And I think it was about 90 seconds in that he abandoned talking about Dick Cheney at all.
jordan holmes
Tell me about Dick Cheney that you learned from this video.
dan friesen
He worked for L.L. Lementzer's friend Rumsfeld.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He had some hearts.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
A bunch of hearts.
jordan holmes
So he worked for a guy.
dan friesen
Rumi.
jordan holmes
Right.
The former vice president, the man who is the secretary of fucking everything at one point or another.
The guy who has been, he worked for a guy.
That's his, that's that man in a word.
dan friesen
I would love for Alex to just be held gunpoint sucks, but like, what state was Dick Cheney a representative from?
He was in Congress.
What state, asshole?
jordan holmes
For how long?
dan friesen
Until he answers, right?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
So, yeah, I mean, like, within a very short period of time, he's ranking Bush family members on this evil scale and then rambling about Ben Shapiro calling everyone Nazis.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
I like the statement, your spirit animal's dead now because I don't know.
Okay, so if Dick Cheney is your spirit animal, well, then it would just be human, right?
Right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Him dying would make him so much.
This would be an Obi-Wan situation.
Now your spirit animal is spirit.
dan friesen
I understand that the concept of spirit animal is a little problematic in of itself.
It's very offensive.
You know, I don't want to dwell in these waters too much, but I don't think that they are either alive or dead.
jordan holmes
That's kind of how it works.
They're spirit.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
You know, like, huh.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
It's a paradox, I would say, almost in thought.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I got a strong vibe, though, that Alex was just like, I need to post something on Twitter before people lose interest in Cheney's death.
Right.
Before the memes get old.
And I don't really remember much.
So here we go.
jordan holmes
Well, Cheney's dead, so I just need to remind everybody that Prescott Bush sucked.
dan friesen
I think that if Alex died, I would have more to say about him.
Yeah.
I would hope that he feels the same about Dick Cheney.
Apparently not.
jordan holmes
I mean, we said more about Larry Nichols when Larry Nichols died than he said about Dick Cheney.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's true.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
So the real show starts, and a lot of this seems like he's mad that people are calling Tucker a Nazi for talking to Nick Fuentes.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Who's a Nazi?
jordan holmes
He's a Nazi.
alex jones
It is Tuesday, November 4th, 2025.
I am your host, Alex Jones, coming to you from deep in the heart of Texas, transmitting worldwide in defense of liberty and resistance to tyranny.
Well, one of the most evil men of the last century, Dick Cheney, died last night of pneumonia and heart failure with one of the many hearts he'd had transplanted into his heartless body.
jordan holmes
Nice.
alex jones
And I never really celebrate anybody's death, but I am glad that he's had a chance now to face God, the things that he did.
And just notice that the completely out-of-touch Democrat leadership and their own party, including leftist groups, celebrated Dick Cheney and Lynn Cheney, his evil daughter, endorsing Kamala.
And they thought that would be a positive thing with the voters.
So we have a new Republican Party that is almost completely anti-war, anti-neocon.
And we have Mark Levin making really threats towards Tucker Carlson and others, joining Josh Hammer and saying, oh, you think you guys are popular?
You think you're going to stop us?
No, you're not.
So they're trying to sure up the whole neocon arm of the Republican Party that Netanyahu's been right at the heart of by calling everyone that's against it Hitler.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that, I mean, it's a, it's, it seems like that's almost more important to him than Cheney dying.
jordan holmes
Where does where?
So, okay.
dan friesen
All right.
jordan holmes
So where on the Nazi scale is Cheney?
dan friesen
Hmm.
jordan holmes
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know.
I would consider him on a slightly different axis.
jordan holmes
That's what I'm, that's the vibe that I'm getting.
Like, we're talking about Dick Cheney, but he's completely irrelevant to the vibe to the place that we're at, right?
So Dick Cheney's dead.
Anyways, all these people are fighting about whether or not we're Nazis.
We already picked Nazi 10 years ago.
dan friesen
It's kind of like the villain from last season dies off camera during the second season.
jordan holmes
Very much like, oh, and by the way, he's dead.
We're moving on.
dan friesen
Yeah, why do we care?
We're into the middle of another plot now.
jordan holmes
Why are you even talking to me about this guy?
dan friesen
Yeah, your characters have completely changed.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
Yeah, it does feel that way.
Fair enough, though, the idea that it was dumb for Democrats to be excited about his endorsement of Harris.
jordan holmes
There's anything that could be more damning, it is saying this.
Even Alex knew that that was dumb shit by the Democrats.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't think many leftists are celebrating that, though.
alex jones
No.
dan friesen
So there's a lot of elections going on, and Alex talks about some of the key ones.
alex jones
All right.
So, first off, let's talk about the key elections in New York, Virginia, New Jersey, Minnesota, Texas, California.
I mean, it's all ultra-important in this off-year election.
And it's really a bellwether for how much election fraud will there be, which a lot of the poll watchers and experts Trump has out there that's been trying to block.
It's totally constitutional.
Will radical Islamists, communist win in New York and in Minnesota and Minneapolis?
Will the CIA, on record, operative in Virginia, win the governorship?
Despite the fact that she defended the AG candidate, saying he's going to kill representatives in the government and their children by name.
dan friesen
So, for real, who could possibly be listening to Infowars who gives a shit about off-cycle elections?
This isn't what the man bullhorning outside Bilderberg would want to be doing with his time.
And it's a sad reflection of the path that he's chosen.
He's not even doing news coverage where the actual elections would be discussed.
This is all just slop where a Republican win is assumed, and it's Alex's job to come up with explanations for how it was all cheating if they lose.
It's hack shit.
And I can't, it's so sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, if there was ever a last season, man, this whole voter fraud thing, that's got to be in the past.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We just can't be doing that again.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, if you, here's what I feel like: if you win two out of three, then the next one, you just can't complain about voter fraud.
You just can't do it, right?
dan friesen
Yeah, because he got the mileage he needed out of it.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
So just move on.
Come up with a new villain.
We can't do voter fraud again.
We're definitely not doing like three million illegal ballots.
Get the fuck out of here.
dan friesen
Oh, the ballots were a little too small.
jordan holmes
Come on.
Move on.
We got to do something else.
You're Nazis.
Fucking Nazi it up.
dan friesen
So Mamdani did win the New York mayoral race, but the other guy Alex is trying to get killed, Omar Fateh, did not win in Minneapolis.
Incumbent Jacob Fry won another term, and he's from the Democrat Farmer Labor Party, which also included recent murder victim and former Speaker of Melissa Hortman.
So I don't think Alex should see this as not a huge celebration.
No, it's still a losing situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Omar Fateh is still a member of the Minnesota State Senate, which Alex doesn't seem to be aware of.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So whatever.
He's also lying about Jay Jones, who did win the race for the Virginia AG, and the Democrats flipped the governor's seat in the state, too.
At the end of the day, it was a really bad election for the Republicans, but it probably doesn't matter too much to them because I'm not sure if the government exists anymore.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I would say that in general, based on the way that they are behaving, if you are really into electoral politics, you are going to be disappointed even if you win.
dan friesen
Probably.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I feel like the government may or may not exist, depending on whether you need something or you're a boat.
If you're a boat, the government exists.
unidentified
It exists very hard, and you will not be a boat for much longer.
dan friesen
Yeah, but if you need food.
jordan holmes
Or let's say you need to get on a plane and go to another place.
dan friesen
I will say that I don't like to travel around the holidays, but multiple plans I'm privy to have been totally canceled because we just don't want to travel.
jordan holmes
We just don't know if we can.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We may be having a long drive to Portland, my friend.
dan friesen
Hey, good thing I got a license now.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Can actually trade shit.
Yep.
So, you know, there was a election in New York.
Sure.
And there's some bomb threats.
And Momdani, he wants to blame Trump for it.
And that's not cool.
alex jones
Okay.
And then I was looking this morning.
There's nowhere in New York City that's Republican, no precinct.
But guess what?
The ones leaning there where you get more votes for people that aren't from Mondani, they got bomb threats and got shut down.
And Mamdani, of course, got ahead of it, being advised by Obama and the globalists and said, with no evidence, Trump is behind the bomb threats.
Yeah, uh-huh.
And maybe we'll have some more water mains break like we saw in Atlanta, Georgia in 2020, chicanery like that.
And of course, there wasn't ever a water main that broke.
There wasn't a water pipe.
It was just a lie.
So look for lots of that and look for lots of midnight ballots being delivered.
Unbelievable.
Absolutely unbelievable.
dan friesen
So to translate this, Alex knows that Momdani is going to win.
So he's priming the audience for election theft plot lines to be coming in the future.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
What I don't understand is like, who does he want to win?
Like, if there weren't any stealing going on, does he think the globalists don't want Andrew Cuomo in office?
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I get that he needs to make money stoking fear about Muslims and all this, but trying to play election fraud stories with this particular election just doesn't make sense.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Also, Alex is just lying about there not being parts of New York City that vote overwhelmingly Republican.
In the 2024 election, large areas of Staten Island and Queens went for Trump, as did a lot of the southern areas of Brooklyn.
Alex doesn't take this shit seriously at all, and he just thinks of New York City as one big leftist blob that hates Trump.
So he's pretending that he's done research that backs this up.
Like, oh, I looked at all the precincts.
Yeah.
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
All cities, all cities, and it's not like whoever defines size of city, not important.
All cities in the Republican mindset are hives of sex and villainy and fucking most easily.
Like there is no way that they'll just be like, oh, yeah, that's probably fine.
My parents will never be like, Chicago is just okay.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Never going to happen.
dan friesen
They think like walking down the street is like hot coals, but it's like shit and needles.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yeah, absolutely.
And there's just people who are going to attack you.
dan friesen
And everybody who has lived in a city knows that there are some densely Republican-leaning areas within cities.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Where you hear about how bad you are in the place you live with them.
dan friesen
Yeah, that does happen.
Weird.
So ICE, cool.
Sure.
Trump, cool.
jordan holmes
Probably not, but okay.
dan friesen
They're all doing such good stuff, right?
jordan holmes
I feel like that's not true.
alex jones
Then we have big developments with ICE, where ICE is now releasing videos from the events you saw over the weekend and other places in Illinois where they plow into ICE vehicles, attack the vehicles, try to get the prisoners out.
ICE slams the people into the ground.
Not even as rough as I would.
They just get them down.
I couldn't help it.
I'd probably bounce the head a few times if you rammed me with your vehicle at 35 miles an hour, 40 miles an hour, and trying to kill me.
And they go, oh my God, and they cut to, again, we already covered this over the weekend, but it's incredible.
They cut to the ice on top of people going, look, they're just attacking citizens, no reason.
And mainstream media, CNN, all of them run it.
That's a scandal.
That's criminal.
That's trying to get ICE killed.
You know, when Trump's like, oh, this other late-night comic talking trash about me, that might be illegal.
They have no viewers.
Their jokes don't become the censor they say you are.
You're not censoring them, but you're making statements like that.
You don't need to do that.
unidentified
They're a joke.
alex jones
But when you release videos editing the truth and make it look like federal officers are just randomly attacking people, that is a dangerous fraud invoking violence.
dan friesen
So I get that Alex just wants to kill protesters, but it seems kind of laughable that he's trying to justify why it would be okay if federal agents did that.
I mean, it's quite a departure.
unidentified
Come on.
dan friesen
So the late night host in question here is Seth Myers, who Trump complained at length about on the social media site that he owns, where he said that it was, quote, probably illegal for Myers to have 100% anti-Trump material.
jordan holmes
That sounds true.
dan friesen
It's interesting that Alex's response to this seems to be advising Trump that Myers isn't worth it because he has no viewers.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Trump shouldn't try to arrest him because he's small potatoes.
The reason that's weird is that Alex is supposed to care about free speech, and he should have a huge problem with the president ranting about how making fun of him might be illegal.
None of the presidents that Alex has called tyrants whose blood needs to be used to water the tree of liberty have ever said anything close to that kind of shit.
So his whole act seems so dumb now.
If this is the angle he has on Trump.
jordan holmes
Just going by the date, wasn't there a massive plot point in V for fucking vendetta about how the dictator kills a late night host or some shit like that?
I'm pretty sure.
dan friesen
I think Alex has only seen that speech.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's right.
dan friesen
He was waiting for you, Inspector.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
That sounds right.
Yeah, yeah.
He likes that.
jordan holmes
Man, I just, I don't know.
I do like that.
Hey, come on.
Come on.
Don't take away free speech because of that guy.
Get Johnny out here.
If Carson's talking shit about you, you take away free speech, obviously.
There's only three channels.
You take them all down.
But with Seth Meyers, fucking 1 a.m., nobody even, I'm not even awake at 1 a.m.
dan friesen
Come on.
It's very not what he should.
It's not the angle of Free Speech Warrior.
unidentified
What?
jordan holmes
You're going to end freedom of religion for Satanism?
That's practically nobody.
Listen, you get Christians out here.
You end freedom of religion, obviously.
dan friesen
But come on.
It's a principled stand, and I admire it.
So we got some medical news.
Sure.
Doctors can't just kill you for your organs anymore.
jordan holmes
That doesn't sound true.
dan friesen
There was a memo.
alex jones
You have the American College of Physicians having to send out a memo to all of the surgeons in the country saying your main mission is to save people Hippocratic Oath.
Do not kill people if they're viable for their organs.
jordan holmes
Thanks, boss.
alex jones
And that's because in a lot of these hospitals run by the former governor of Virginia, he talks about on TV in interviews.
They will kill somebody for their organs that is viable.
And they will keep a baby alive and tell the mother it's died and then take it and harvest its organs.
But don't worry, they keep it comfortable before they do it.
Close quote.
gavin mcinnes
Close quote.
dan friesen
The whole time, Alex was just trying not to do the people comfortable with that impression that he had.
jordan holmes
That one would be not the right time for it.
unidentified
Not the right time.
dan friesen
So this wasn't a memo that was sent out to all surgeons, but that's what Alex imagined the story was after he skimmed a tweet about this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
In the real world, there was an article that was published in the Annals of Internal Medicine where the authors discussed advancements in transplantation science and they reaffirm already existing ethical guidelines around the subject.
It's not like they were just like, hey, guys, you're stealing too many organs.
We got to cut this out.
jordan holmes
I do like the idea that if they hadn't stolen too many, they could still be getting away with it.
Right?
If they had just stolen a few, Alex would be like, ah, come on.
dan friesen
Chill.
jordan holmes
What are you doing?
This is the Seth Meyers of organ theft, man.
You don't go after this shit.
Now they're just crazy.
dan friesen
Look, you can steal a kidney.
Lungs?
No.
jordan holmes
Too big.
unidentified
I do.
jordan holmes
I do.
Here's what I like about the past and the present, right?
Because we have futuristic technology, it's a lot easier to say stuff like, they just sometimes keep the baby alive and make it grow new organs.
Because 100 years ago, that's exactly what you would say about demons, right?
That's exactly the same words you just, but now we've just got like, oh, they have incubators, so they can probably do that shit.
dan friesen
Well, right?
There are ways to, like, after you have died, you know, like keep your blood flowing on a machine in order to preserve an organ.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So, like, yeah, there we now know ways that this demon craft could happen.
jordan holmes
Right.
But here's the thing: that happened independent of his, you know what I'm saying?
Like, just because we figured out a way to do that doesn't mean that he's not saying it because that's exactly what he said 100 years ago because it's demons.
dan friesen
Yes, right.
That is true.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex's motivation and headspace is exactly the same.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
But for us, it's weirder.
jordan holmes
We've just gotten technology now that makes it feel weirder.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we got more medical news.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
And it is that the people who are trying to make you inject yourself with mercury can't do that anymore.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
unidentified
Good.
alex jones
So we have that insane evil being exposed, and that's because Kennedy has been exposing it with his task force and ordering it.
And they're getting ready, like it's already begun to prosecute a whole bunch of these doctors in hospitals.
And there's already been indictments.
It just barely hits the news.
And then that's a bridge into this story.
Robert F. Kennedy just announced it's official by law.
You had to give them three months to do it, but all of the mercury out of hundreds of different so-called vaccines has been removed from all vaccines.
We got a statement from him.
dan friesen
There were only a few flu vaccines that still exist that use themarosol as a preservative, which is the only thing in vaccines that contains mercury.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was more widely used in the past, but in 1999, regulators and manufacturers decided to scale it back just in case it was harmful.
There was no solid evidence that it was harmful, but there were other preservative options, so it wasn't worth the risk.
It was still being used with flu vaccines that were multi-dose shots because it's more effective at eliminating germs.
So I guess RFK can just replace it with a possibly less effective alternative.
Great.
RFK probably couldn't have gotten the CDC to ban thamerosol a couple months back, but then he fired the entire vaccine advisory committee and replaced them with his friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'll just read you this little passage from The Guardian.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
Quote: The vaccine advisory panel voted in favor of removing thomarisol on a 5-1 vote with one abstention after a controversial presentation from Lynn Redwood, a former leader of the World Mercury Project, the predecessor to Kennedy's group Children's Health Defense, itself a prolific anti-vaccine campaign group.
unidentified
Great, great.
dan friesen
Redwood's presentation had to be updated after it was found to contain a link to a study that did not exist.
One of Kennedy's vaccine advisors said during the meeting that a presentation from career scientists at the CDC, which laid out thamerosol's safety, was pulled by the secretary's office.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
These aren't serious people, and they're going to get a lot of people hurt.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
Yep.
unidentified
Well, what you going to do?
I mean, you know, it is.
jordan holmes
Well, I said this to you a while back, but there is a certain element of like for the CDC, what matters more is consistency, you know?
If you can never trust the CDC, that's pretty much as good as if you can always trust the CDC, because you can always trust the CDC to be wrong about everything, right?
dan friesen
Right.
The guy who always lies is very trustworthy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you don't have to worry too much.
Like, oh, he says that Mercury's gone.
First off, I don't believe that.
I'm sure there'll be another thing in like two weeks that's like, eh, we put it back in.
Who cares?
dan friesen
Yeah, it'll be called like M Square.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It'll be a cool supplement version of Mercury.
jordan holmes
Right.
And everything that he's saying is a complete waste of everybody's time.
So I can ignore that.
The problem is if he was right a little bit, then we're all fucked.
Then you're like, ah, now what do we do?
dan friesen
Well, I think he is.
He's right about a few things.
jordan holmes
I think probably like where to keep headless spare cubs?
dan friesen
Yeah, he's right about that.
It was a prank.
But also, like, I think he thinks carrots are good.
You should have a salad.
I think he believes that.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
He's right about that.
jordan holmes
All right.
So if it is the stated position of the CDC that salads are good, I'll let that go.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We'll let that slide.
dan friesen
That's right sometimes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well.
dan friesen
So there's a big rock that's flying out there in space.
jordan holmes
Sure.
That's Earth.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Oh.
dan friesen
It's another one.
jordan holmes
It's a different one.
dan friesen
And some people think it's a UFO.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Because it's huge.
But Alex isn't into that.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
But maybe he kind of is.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Then we have mysterious interstellar visitor object abruptly lights up and accelerates.
That's 3i Atlas.
And you've got, you know, the head astrophysicist at Harvard saying, no, I really do think it's an alien spaceship now.
Well, it looks like a big rock.
I think that's me.
But a lot of scientists have pointed out and astrophysicists that that would be the best type of spacecraft.
Would have basically a city or a base inside of it with a propulsion system so that when it went through space and ran into space debris and things, it wouldn't damage the whole of the craft.
So it does have a very strange course coming into the solar system.
But again, that's the corporate media.
That's NASA.
That's Harvard.
I tend to lean towards this as more hype, and I don't know if we can even believe what they've said.
We have some of the images from satellites and their telescopes of it.
So it's definitely interesting.
In fact, let's get dark journalist on.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's get dark journalists on this.
He has a very important take, I'm sure.
It's a fucking comet.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
This guy from Harvard is trying to sell a book, and he's not even saying that it is a spacecraft.
He's just trying to get attention.
jordan holmes
Right.
I was going to say, in this telling of the story, I'm supposed to believe that NASA and Harvard and all of these people are like, wow, I mean, hey, we've been against the whole aliens are with us all the time in the past, but there they are.
Fuck it.
They're aliens.
dan friesen
Does NASA exist right now?
jordan holmes
And Alex is like, you can't trust these NASA guys.
They don't know the science.
That looks like an asteroid to me.
dan friesen
It's the perfect thing.
You would want a big rock to protect you from space.
jordan holmes
What an amazing idea.
dan friesen
What about wormholes?
I thought there was interdimensional travel and shit.
You don't have to worry about space debris.
jordan holmes
Dude, I don't even.
I don't even want to get into travel in space because it's not a thing.
dan friesen
If this were a really good idea, Elon Musk's rockets would be giant.
jordan holmes
Surrounded by rocks.
Yeah.
It makes the most sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It makes the most sense.
dan friesen
Oh, what a waste of time.
jordan holmes
NASA is out here telling us that these are aliens riding an asteroid.
Bunch of idiots.
Bunch of eggheads.
dan friesen
So I'm going to call my buddy Dark Journalist.
Get to the bottom of it.
We'll have a rational discussion.
Yeah.
Great.
So, you know, there's all kinds of election fraud going on.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
New York.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Totally.
jordan holmes
Frauded.
dan friesen
New Jersey.
jordan holmes
Defrauded.
dan friesen
Right next door.
jordan holmes
That is right next door.
alex jones
Voting machines fail in GOP-leaning New Jersey districts on election day.
So not only.
Oh, I should have said this up front.
I'm sorry.
Not only in seven key, almost completely red voting areas, districts, precincts, have they gotten the strategic bomb threat shutting them down?
Like we always see.
Whether you're in Arizona, Texas, New Jersey, New York, doesn't matter.
Now, strategically, the voting machines are down all over the place, only in Republican precincts and areas.
And don't worry, though, ABC News and others have fat-secked it and said, well, yeah, the bunch just stuff's out, but it's nothing.
This isn't a big deal.
Voting machines fail in GOP-leaning New Jersey districts on election day.
Machines went down in three Republican-leaning districts in Cumberland County, New Jersey, causing major delays.
dan friesen
So apparently the Democrats called in bomb threats and rigged voting machines in GOP areas in New Jersey in order to win the election.
But in a weird move, they also filed a motion to keep affected polls open late to accommodate voters.
It seems to me like if you're trying to intimidate voters away from the polls, it would be against your goal to extend the voting window.
But I guess the globalists are unpredictable.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's one of those things of like, that's like a security thing, you know, like, hey, you wouldn't want to miss the vote, would you?
If you go to the vote, you might get hurt, but you wouldn't want to miss it.
So let's leave those polls open late for you.
Come on down.
unidentified
Come on.
alex jones
Go to the vote.
jordan holmes
You want to vote, don't you?
dan friesen
Knife.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
So the police in New Jersey found one miner who was responsible for one of the hoax bomb threats on a polling place, but it's unclear if they were behind other ones.
ABC listed the counties that received bomb threats in New Jersey, and four out of the seven of them solidly voted for Harris in 2024.
Sure.
It seems to me that the most likely explanation here isn't some kind of partisan voter intimidation scheme, but rather just a reflection of how fucked up the world is now that it's not really all that big of a deal that seven out of the 21 counties in New Jersey got bomb threats during their off-cycle elections.
That sucks.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex can play these fun games with tech glitches and pretend that the machines stole the votes, but I want to put this in a little bit of perspective for you.
There were reports of some machines having isolated malfunctions in Cumberland County, but officials there said that all votes were recorded accurately and there were no problems.
If literally every single vote in Cumberland County went to a Republican candidate, it still wouldn't make up for how much he lost Essex County by, which is where Newark is located.
jordan holmes
Where all the people are.
dan friesen
There's no level of stealing that would even make sense for either side to do in Cumberland County.
So this is just fucking stupid and almost knee-jerk at this point.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
And it just, it bums me out.
It bums me out because I feel like it denies the victory that they've achieved.
Like if I'm in Russia, right, and there's a radio host who's like, man, these voting machines in St. Petersburg don't work well.
I'm like, you are fundamentally misunderstanding how our system works, buddy.
I don't care if the electoral machines work.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
But also, thanks for chipping in.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So no one ever.
jordan holmes
Like we needed the help.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We don't need it, but hey, let's take it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're getting your money out of it.
Knife.
dan friesen
So Alex is a guy who loves the Constitution.
And he lo he hates when Dems try and do stuff like, you know, whenever they have majorities, they like maybe he'll change the rules a little bit or talk about it.
jordan holmes
Do they unilaterally change the rules by themselves once they get elected and declare themselves king?
dan friesen
According to Alex, yeah, they do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, that's fair.
dan friesen
But he has some ideas about what Trump and the GOP should do.
alex jones
All right.
Now, I want to go to break in about seven minutes and come back and shift into other anomalies and chicanery going on in places like Minneapolis, of course, with our Somali friends and Trump saying, look, if we don't get rid of the filibuster, the Democrats are going to be able to win the midterms.
We got bad news on that front.
Senator John Thune indicates there's not enough votes to eliminate the filibusters.
So they don't even have 50%.
You know, that's going to be Rand Paul.
Look, if we get rid of it, they'll be able to use it later.
But they're already planning it.
This is America is down to the wire here.
It's do or die now.
We have to take the gloves off.
They're going to pack the Supreme Court.
You know what?
This is war.
I just say Trump should.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
He convinces himself to advocate for Trump adding 50 Supreme Court justices.
jordan holmes
That'll teach him.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that that clip very succinctly and clearly illustrates Alex's political philosophy.
He pretends to care about the Constitution and having a free form of government, but then he realizes he would prefer power.
So all that other stuff is secondary.
It would be totally fine if Alex was just a guy who was honest about wanting power, but his career has been built on this charade that his crusade was somehow about the founding fathers or a love for the Bill of Rights.
He's only been able to attract an audience because he convinced them that he wasn't just another partisan hack and that he answered to higher principles like the Constitution.
He didn't hate Clinton or Obama because they were left-leaning, and he didn't hate the Bushes because they were to the left of his extreme right-wing beliefs.
He hated them because they viewed themselves as above the Constitution.
And the Constitution was the only thing that protected all our freedoms.
It was all an act, and he doesn't have to pretend anymore.
He doesn't even care to look like he's pretending.
jordan holmes
No, no, he doesn't.
dan friesen
If this is what Alex is willing to argue for, then there's really nothing left for him.
Like, if America is teetering on the edge of destruction and Trump has to violate principles Alex thinks are sacred in order to save it, then there's nothing Trump can't do.
He could declare martial law over the country tomorrow, and Alex would have to justify it because if Trump didn't do martial law, the scary Antifa leftists would burn everything down.
He's forced to.
There's nothing.
There's no point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, it's weird whenever people are like, I love democracy, but they don't really understand the fundamental grounding principle of democracy is that arms races are bad, right?
So if Trump puts 50 judges on, well, then the response to that is going to be, I have to put 51 judges on.
Do you see where this goes?
So we're trying to nip it in the bud in advance.
That's the whole idea behind the thing.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Once you start, it's never going to stop.
dan friesen
And I think the pretty solid evidence that, let's say, rhinos or Democrats wouldn't do these things is that they didn't.
jordan holmes
They could have.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So many times.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And there was some sort of weird respect for like, these are against the rules.
jordan holmes
Let's not do an arms race.
It kills everybody.
dan friesen
Yeah, Alex seems to want that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That's what dumb people think is smart.
dan friesen
You got to do it now because they'll do it later.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
But.
dan friesen
So, the issue is that, like, every single election, the GOP would win.
jordan holmes
All of them.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Non-stop.
dan friesen
It's all just cheating.
jordan holmes
Really makes sense.
alex jones
You know, Senator Manchin was just on TV and he goes, Well, you know, Trump wins by huge digits in West Virginia because we're really Democrats there, but they like Trump because they know he cares about America and wants people to not be freeloaders.
No, it's because he's the only person voted for nationally.
He's the only person where there's, you know, the they can stack the votes and manipulate with the Democrat races because that's easier to do.
But when it's a straight-up vote like that for the president and you've got the poll watchers and the numbers and all the facts, when you get a landslide for him, the state goes red because it's already red.
California's red.
New Jersey's red.
Illinois' red.
Michigan's red.
Arizona's red.
Arkansas's red.
jordan holmes
We're all commies?
alex jones
Virginia, everything's red.
Everything's red.
It's only the blue cities where they've had election fraud.
I have caught Austin in election fraud myself, gone and challenged it at the state famously.
Look it up 25 years ago.
And the state board said, no, there was fraud.
It was stolen, but we're not overriding.
We had the eyewitnesses.
I was in the counting center downtown.
We caught them at 3 a.m.
I caught the head of election stealing the son of a bitch.
They weren't even hiding it.
I was there.
They flipped the votes.
Me and Mike Hansen were there.
And the Democrats are only in power because of election fraud.
dan friesen
That's convenient.
I would like Alex to produce this video because Mike Hansen has an archive of his old videos.
It's obviously not full, but he's posted a lot of shit on YouTube.
And I've watched a lot of it.
And this isn't something that happened.
And there's some really boring fucking videos on there.
So, like, if Alex caught election fraud at three in the morning at a counting center, and then the government was like, Yeah, you got us, but we don't care.
I think that would make the cut.
jordan holmes
That probably would make the cut.
That's sensational.
For posterity.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You hang on to that one.
dan friesen
I think there's a video of a spider eating a bug.
jordan holmes
That's pretty exciting.
dan friesen
Mike Hansen's channel.
And maybe a video of Mike Hansen doing karaoke.
So I think Alex cracking the case.
jordan holmes
I think it's funny that he stumbled upon a really good found metaphor for the whole politics of that idea of like cities are blue, which is just basically people are blue, property is red.
You know, like that concept of, look, see, California's a red state because the people who own everything vote for Trump.
And you're like, well, the people who live there are again it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
Population density.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Wild.
So Alex wants to get rid of the filibuster now, which is not his consistent position that he's had over his career.
But he justifies it by saying that, like, maybe Jefferson would be into that.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
We have the power to pack the court.
We have the power to end the filibuster.
Blow it all up.
Okay.
Because if we don't, they are.
And we have sat back and watched them engage in all this fraud and all this crime.
And we won't even use the emergency measures we have that aren't fraud to beat them.
That's why these emergency measures were put in the Constitution.
And 250 years in, are we not long in the tooth?
Is the country not on its deathbed?
Is this race not neck and neck to save it?
I guarantee you, if Thomas Jefferson saw this or George Washington, he would go get rid of the filibuster, pack the court.
dan friesen
So Jefferson was around before there were filibusters, and the congressional rule book that he wrote in 1801 stressed the importance of the previous question motion, which was essentially a way to force a vote with a simple majority.
Five years later, Aaron Burr updated the rules and did away with the previous question motion, which led to the evolution of the filibuster.
I bring this up to illustrate how shallow Alex's Jefferson scholarship is.
He really should know more about this guy that he pretends is so important because he would know what his position is.
jordan holmes
He's a pretty important guy for this guy specifically.
dan friesen
Also, I just want to be totally clear.
I do think that we should get rid of the filibuster.
It's historically been used as a tool of the elites to block civil rights legislation and progressive bills that are really popular with the public, but not with the super rich.
This is a very bad time to get rid of the filibuster because it's super clear that Trump and Alex's movement intends to overthrow the government and all of our basic freedoms.
But on a purely philosophical level, I think the Democrats should have done the nuclear option when they had a chance.
Absolutely.
When Alex is advocating for getting rid of the filibuster, I don't disagree with him on the point.
I think the damage of doing it now will be irreversible.
alex jones
But yeah.
jordan holmes
I like the people who go, you're destroying our country.
And now that we've got our guy in there, blow it up.
alex jones
Blow it up.
jordan holmes
I appreciate that.
I appreciate the threat.
These people are destroying our country.
So you must vote for me.
And then the promise, I will destroy this fucking country.
I will burn it to the ground.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So my take on kind of being wishy-washy on the filibuster as a whole, I don't think that that's too out of line with positions I've had.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But Alex definitely shouldn't think that they should get rid of the filibuster.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
He's been a proponent of it historically, and he made heroes of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz for doing really long ones in the past.
And I don't really think you have to read between the lines all that much.
Alex is just saying that he would rather destroy our democracy than cede any more power as a white Christian man.
That's it.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, it's emergency measures must be taken because I'm feeling vulnerable and scared.
jordan holmes
It is the most collective, I am taking my ball and going home moment in history.
It is 50 million people incorrectly understanding who has the ball and watching some rich ass take it away from them.
Good call, guys.
dan friesen
So that rich ass as Trump, right?
jordan holmes
Yep.
Okay.
Well, one of many.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he's going to have his day.
And maybe that day is today, where he gets the business, where Alex gives him a real good, solid critique.
Maybe today.
jordan holmes
Someday.
dan friesen
Dick Cheney's dead.
jordan holmes
Dick Cheney's dead.
We got to celebrate somehow.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So we got to speak truth to power.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
All right.
alex jones
I want to do a critique of Trump right now from a place of love and a place of wanting to beat the globalists because they literally want to put me in prison and destroy the country and destroy your future and cut your sons and daughters' genitals up.
jordan holmes
And that's why I got to blow it up.
alex jones
And what Trump's doing to the globalists is night and day compared to what was happening.
I mean, this is a godsend.
It could be better, but don't look at gift torch in the mouth.
Trump continues to care about corporate media, to get mad because CBS viewed him and then cut it all up and refused to air large parts of it.
He gets mad at late-night comics that have almost no views.
Now he's moved on to the even later shows that have about 300,000 viewers instead of a million.
But he's 79, folks, and it's on record what he watches.
MSNBC, CNN, Fox News.
They have a war room they built for him where they have a bunch of shows up.
My show, Steve Bannon's.
They tell me there's like 50 shows up for him, and they showed him how to control it.
And he comes in and sits, and they try to get him to understand podcasting and think he's too big.
And then, remember, he had an interview with Elon Musk and had a billion people tuned into it.
jordan holmes
All right, burn it off.
alex jones
The show itself, not to mention all the clips that went out.
Do you want to do a show with a billion people that watch it, or do you want to do one with a million and then get upset?
But he's 79.
He has major blind spots.
And so this is for Trump, and I'm going to get it to him.
And this is for Baron, who I know already watches.
And this is for Don.
And this is for everybody that I'm about to do.
Mr. President, you have won the information war against the globalist.
The left has its back broken worldwide.
Populists are being elected everywhere.
It's why they've now mysteriously, you know, killed 30-plus AFD members every time they're about to win an election.
dan friesen
Man, that number keeps going up.
jordan holmes
Does seem to.
dan friesen
So it seems like Alex's harsh critique of Trump that comes from a place of love.
jordan holmes
Love.
dan friesen
It mostly boils down to him not valuing Alex's form of media enough.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
He'll get mad and yell at Seth Meyers, but he won't come on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Idiot.
What gives?
What a fool.
dan friesen
So I'm proud to hear that Trump staff has taught him how to use a remote control for the TVs in his back cave from the Nolan movies set up.
jordan holmes
To even hear that those are the things that exist, it makes my blood boil.
It bothers me so much.
dan friesen
Well, they taught him how to control it, and he comes and sits down and he watches his shows.
jordan holmes
All right.
Collectively, just don't do anything that he says.
You're making my point for me.
He's an 80-year-old man.
dan friesen
Yeah, but here's the thing: he's already practically dead.
Here's the fucking hell.
Here's the twist.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I don't believe this.
unidentified
I don't believe it either.
dan friesen
I think that Trump is probably more competent than the picture that Alex is painting with his, they just taught him how to use the remote with the 50 TV monitors of dumb bullshit that he watches.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
I bet he does watch a lot of TV, but I bet he knows how to use a remote.
I think that Alex is creating in his head an almost infantile version of Trump in order to excuse monstrous decisions that are made with a coherent adult mind.
jordan holmes
Right.
It has to be in his head like the Twilight Zone kid, where it's like, listen, he has infinite power and he's not good at not abusing it.
But that's because he's a kid.
Right?
If you give any child/slash 89-year-old man slash a billion dollars, it's going to act baby.
It's going to behave poorly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's very sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So he's mad that Trump is getting mad at Seth Meyers because it's attention and he's not getting any of it.
alex jones
He's doing a lot of good stuff.
And so I'm not just trying to criticize.
It's just that I see so much as he got better about this in the first six months of his administration not being baited in by corporate media with their lies.
Don't worry.
We're your surrogates.
We'll deal with that.
You're the leader.
You need to be focused on the big strokes, the big issues, which I know you mainly are.
I'm just critiquing to make it better.
And I'll show you examples of this in a moment.
Where Trump is spending his time on Lilliputians that have less than a half million viewers.
What in the world are you doing?
dan friesen
So Alex is just straight up acknowledging on the show that he's a Trump media surrogate now.
So that's fun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's great.
dan friesen
This will be a good thing to remember the next time he tries to call himself the Chronicler.
He's a storyteller.
jordan holmes
He's above the left-right paradigm.
dan friesen
A passive observer just telling you the story of the news.
jordan holmes
He's just here to report, buddy.
dan friesen
And again, Alex seems to have no problem with the president saying that making fun of him might be illegal, which is something that he posted on the social media site that he owns.
jordan holmes
He owns it.
dan friesen
His complaint is squarely that Seth Meyers is not big enough for Trump to waste his time on, and he should leave that stuff to his media surrogates like Alex.
I know I say this all the time, but this is such a pathetic outcome for Alex's career to arrive at.
He's supposed to be like the guy who punches himself.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who he turned into.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It is fascinating, like that idea.
People made fun of him so much, W, whenever he was like, I'm the decider, you know, trying to accurately sum up his job.
It is, to him, it was like, these smart people bring me stuff and I go, this one, not that one.
Is it better one?
Is it better two?
That's his whole concept.
And everybody made fun of him because, you know, you're supposed to be a capable administrator or a talented leader or an organizer or literally anything other than a guy who just goes, that one seems better.
But they have internalized that so much to where now Trump is supposed to be that guy.
He is supposed to simply be the guy.
Don't do anything.
Just watch TV and go, hmm, or that's it.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
And that's what they want.
dan friesen
One grunt or two.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And we will.
jordan holmes
It's fucking amazing.
dan friesen
And we'll interpret it.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I, I, yeah, it's, it's, uh, you know, I think that some of it comes down to impressions.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like, I think that George W. Bush's, like, the impressions that you could do of him were a little more fun.
jordan holmes
They were, yeah.
dan friesen
Trump impressions are a bummer.
They.
jordan holmes
A Tamanik had a good stretch.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But that was when we were all a lot younger.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Whereas like, strategy.
You know, like, there's a lot of fun.
There's a lot of fun in a.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He seems mischievous.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Bush does.
unidentified
But that was.
dan friesen
Trump is an ass.
jordan holmes
That was what made him and Cheney such a dynamite duo.
You know, he was like, oh, you're an idiot.
And then Cheney was evil.
And that's how you do it.
dan friesen
And now he's dead.
And Alex doesn't seem to be talking much about that because he's mad that Trump said something about Seth Meyers.
alex jones
No!
I made this point many times myself.
You have won.
Now promote the ideology of liberty and freedom and stop turning these globalists that have all been pro-censorship into victims by saying, I don't know if that late night host is allowed to say that about me.
That might be illegal according to FCC rules.
Yeah, and it's true.
Back in the old days, they were all quiet about it, but they told court media what to do.
You've never gotten to the court media.
You don't want to tell them what to do.
You don't want to be the ESGs and the Democrats and BlackRock telling him to take a knee at the national anthem.
You would tell people don't take a knee.
We don't need to do all that.
We have all the soft power.
Don't make these tyrants into victims.
dan friesen
This clip tells you a lot because in it, Alex finally shows that he's totally aware that Trump saying that making fun of him might be illegal is flagrantly opposed to the Constitution.
But that's not why Alex doesn't want him to do it.
Alex doesn't want Trump to take away Seth Meyers' free speech because if he does, then Seth Meyers can complain about how Trump took away his free speech.
Alex just doesn't want to give people he doesn't like something they can complain about where they can play the victim.
This position is cynical and it reflects an ideology that's deeply entrenched in a belief that the ends justify the means.
Trump shouldn't refrain from threatening comedians and media figures because it's fundamentally wrong for the president to do that in our system of government.
He should refrain from that behavior for tactical reasons.
It's important to understand that on a very basic level, Alex just doesn't care about pretending that the Bill of Rights matter anymore.
That's just something we have to make peace with.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That specific example that he came up with at the end there was interesting, too, because I think it reveals how Alex feels about protest.
In the case of taking a knee at football games, he believes that the entire thing was a globalist ESG conspiracy meant to demoralize white Christian men.
It was all pushed by the corporate media who told players that they had to take a knee.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
In Alex's mind, Trump doesn't want to be that kind of president.
He wants to be the kind of president who tells them that they can't take a knee.
jordan holmes
Don't take a knee.
alex jones
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Which is being presented as the positive alternative.
In reality, Alex wants a president who will deprive people of their freedom to engage in protests, like taking a knee, if he doesn't like why they're doing it.
The irony I'm trying to get at here is that Alex wants the audience to hear this as a pro-speech argument that he's making for Trump, but he's actually advocating for actions that would nullify the First Amendment.
It would make it meaningless.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Trump should be the guy who tells you you can't take a knee.
jordan holmes
I like it whenever people think that giving advice is not revealing what you think.
Right?
Like, here's what I would do if I was president.
Now, this isn't what I would do.
You know, this isn't what I think.
This is what I'm giving you to do that I think would be smart for you to do.
You know, like destroy the Constitution.
I think that would be a smart, tactical move.
I don't want to do it.
It's not me.
I mean, I just voted for you, agree with everything you're doing so far.
dan friesen
And I'm now calling myself a media surrogate.
jordan holmes
And I'm totally on board with kidnapping strangers.
So, yeah.
Go for it.
dan friesen
So all that shit is fine.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
And it would be fine.
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
If Trump just would stop fucking engaging with the media.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Leave it to Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
alex jones
So then we have stuff like this.
CBS News heavily edits Trump's 60 Minutes interview, cutting network paid me a lot of money.
Cutting the boast.
And then Trump's all pissed that they cut it.
Who cares?
Why did you do an interview with him?
And it was like he was all mad that they waited a week and he wanted to see it.
And stuff like this.
Why the hell did JD Vance and Erica Kirk hug like this?
And she hugs him.
He puts his hands around her.
And it's totally normal.
And they've been good friends for a long time.
Oh, look, there's something going on here.
Now we can have convicted pedophiles come teach drag queen story time to your kid at school and not tell you.
But JD Vance hugs a woman around the waist and he's a pervert.
That's the left, folks.
Don't even respond.
Screw him.
dan friesen
Screw him.
So Alex, he seems really confused about the fact that a media star turned president who has filled his administration with a lot of appointees who used to work in the corporate media is now engaging with the media.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
He should just come out and say what he means, and that's that he's pissed off that Trump doesn't want to come on his show.
And apparently Alex can't afford him, but 60 Minutes can.
There's a lot of frustration here, but what it really comes down to is Alex having to face the fact that he sold his career to a deal maker and now he has nothing to offer that deal maker.
He doesn't want anything from Alex anymore.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
The mainstream media and folks like Seth Meyers have something that Trump still wants, even if that's just playing his foil.
But Alex has nothing.
I would bet that Trump wouldn't notice or care if Alex decided to fully turn on him at this point.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Roger Stone would just get a new number.
jordan holmes
Who gives a shit?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, that hug between Erica Kirk and JD Vance was a little weird.
jordan holmes
Oh, I don't know if you watched that.
No.
What?
There was a creepy hug?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I'm not going to say that it's impossible that it was platonic, but it was also very intimate.
Instead of hugging him around the shoulders or neck, she puts her hands in his hair like you might if you were used to killing someone.
jordan holmes
That's weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
She does what now?
dan friesen
Yeah, and prior to this, she'd said, quote, no one will ever replace Charlie, but I do see some similarities of my husband and JD, Vice President JD Vance.
unidentified
Which is a weird thing to say.
dan friesen
It's all weird, but JD Vance is a really fucking weird dude.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And trying to keep it together in front of a crowd pretty soon after your husband was killed, that's a weird situation.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So personally, I feel like I want to give them a little bit more leeway than I see a lot of people giving online.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I'm not sure how this relates to drag performers reading to children, though.
jordan holmes
I think what I'm struggling with here is this: I don't have a problem with what anybody is doing in regards to all of these people.
My problem is they should not be doing it anywhere near the rest of the human race.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, sure, that's weird or whatever.
Great.
Go have fun with that.
Don't have power over the world.
Like, that seems like a very easy trade-off from me.
dan friesen
That's part of it.
jordan holmes
That's the problem.
That is the structural problem with everything.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And we're going to see exactly what kind of a problem it is.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a bad one.
dan friesen
So one of the things that's going to be a problem is apparently Robert Kennedy has banned most vaccines.
jordan holmes
I don't think that's true.
alex jones
Senator Kennedy.
Now, there's a three-month notice in the federal law.
That three months is over.
And now there is no longer any Thomerosol sold anywhere that's high levels of mercury in the shots.
And basically, that's just outlawed almost all the vaccines that are out there that aren't even really vaccines.
So this is a devastating victory against Big Pharma.
dan friesen
So Thomerosol is only using a few flu vaccines now.
So Kennedy banning it won't have any effect on most vaccines.
It wasn't a problem before, and RFK has done nothing to solve that fake problem.
But I think I pulled that clip mostly because Alex calls him Senator Kennedy.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he might be the only Kennedy who's not a senator.
I think everyone else was a senator at some point.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, I mean, except for that one lady that they kept in the basement or the cellar or whatever.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
She wasn't in the Senate.
dan friesen
I bet there were a few Kennedys who didn't make it to the Senate, but it's a staggering number that did.
jordan holmes
Too many.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Too many.
I think historically that's been proven.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
But RFK Jr. couldn't.
dan friesen
He didn't make it.
jordan holmes
For so many obvious reasons.
dan friesen
He had everything going for him and that his name was Kennedy.
jordan holmes
I mean, and he was, he was, his name is one of the good Kennedys, not even the shitty ones.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
He's married to Cheryl Hines.
jordan holmes
Brutal.
dan friesen
Everything's going great.
jordan holmes
What a fucking lunatic.
But how many times do we need to go over this?
That guy should be fucking insane.
If there's anybody who deserves to be fucking nuts, it should be him.
I don't understand how he gets to a place where people are like, and now what do we do, sir?
That's crazy.
dan friesen
It is true.
And I think given this point that you've made that he should be nuts, he's had a pretty unremarkable time in office so far.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like you'd think he'd set it on fire or something.
jordan holmes
He should be doing more weird things.
In truth, that's our great disappointment.
We should be seeing headless bear cubs fly off the ceilings at that fucking place.
dan friesen
Yeah, or there should just be like someone walks in and he's pouring a beaker into another beaker and his face is covered in smoke.
That should be happening all the time.
jordan holmes
Director, what are you doing?
alex jones
I've got an idea.
dan friesen
So we got a guest coming in, and it's not Dark Journalist.
It is an asshole, though.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
Well, we're into hour number two on this Tuesday, November 4th, 2025, off-year election.
And look at him right there.
The great Gavin McGinnis talking about an icon of the modern liberty movement, a fire starter, a modern Thomas Jefferson in the flesh.
Find all of his censure material at censored.tv and Gavin underscore McInnes.
dan friesen
Man, that dude sure sounds censored.
Show's called censored TV.
So you know that dude, he's been silenced.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Gavin's a piece of shit who started a very sad drinking club that turned into a white supremacist street gang that tried to overthrow the 2020 election, while one of Alex's former employees was second in command of that street gang.
jordan holmes
Real butterfly into a hurricane kind of situation.
Yeah.
dan friesen
That said, he is kind of a modern-day Thomas Jefferson because I bet Gavin would enslave a black person if he could get away with it.
jordan holmes
Agreed.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex's metaphor kind of works.
jordan holmes
He has a lot to do with that.
Yeah.
Also, he's very creepy around women.
dan friesen
Now, here's something that's fun.
I'm going to play this next clip, and it's Alex saying that Gavin McGinnis looks like a fucking creep.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he meant to say Gavin Newsome.
And Gavin McGinnis is on the phone.
jordan holmes
He's on the phone.
He's on the phone.
dan friesen
Yeah, waiting to start the interview.
All right.
alex jones
I mean, it's just crazy.
Well, here he is in a new clip.
Plans to alert illegals before ICE raids in Minnesota.
dan friesen
He's talking about Omar Fateh.
unidentified
Right.
alex jones
If he becomes the new mayor, which he's slated to be.
And here he is staring off into the sunset, wondering how he's going to move around more taxpayer funds to benefit himself.
And yeah, the level of fraud by Somali lawmakers is the highest I've ever seen all over the country.
I mean, they are just, well, I mean, they sell black people into slavery.
That's their specialty.
So, I mean, what do you expect?
Well, back to back, Gavin McGinnis, Patrick Bateman.
I mean, I'm sorry, you judge the book by its cover.
He just looks evil.
I mean, doesn't this guy just look like a creepy dude?
I mean, you're not going to have him babysit your kids.
Same thing here.
It's not just because he's black.
dan friesen
I think that Alex realized he said Gavin McGinnis, but then was like, I can't go back and correct him.
jordan holmes
Too late now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Too late now.
dan friesen
So I don't think Alex could name a third Somali American person, let alone a third politician other than Omar and Irvan Omar.
jordan holmes
What the fuck is he talking about?
dan friesen
He's just a racist who wants to make up statistics to make it seem like he's something smarter than a racist.
But, you know, I mock him for saying Gavin McGinnis instead of Gavin Newsome.
But I, you know, I've screwed up Gavin's before.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
I'm not a bad.
It's just funnier whenever Gavin is forced to listen to it to his face.
It's pretty fun.
dan friesen
Also, at the end there, Alex is saying he wouldn't let Omar Fateh babysit his kids.
And he has to clarify that it's not just because he's black, because he knows that a lot of his audience wouldn't let a black person babysit their kids.
jordan holmes
Just because they're black.
Yes.
Not for any other reason.
dan friesen
If you don't think your audience is super racist, you generally don't need to make caveats like that.
And I think Alex knows he does.
jordan holmes
I like to imagine the person at like, I'm going to have to go with, let's face it, it's going to be University of Chicago because those are the economics guys who truly have the sociopathy necessary to do it.
But what's the proposal for the what we need to research is exactly how thief tendent Somali lawmakers are in terms of like a real long-term study.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
What world does that happen where we have concrete, like, hey, man, what are you going to do?
Somali politicians are just born this guy.
dan friesen
Well, I don't think the University of Chicago needs to embark on this costly and time-consuming research because Alex has read an imaginary white paper on the subject.
jordan holmes
How?
How could anybody even get started?
dan friesen
He was researching with his mind.
jordan holmes
With his mind in his dreams.
dan friesen
Yes, he had a dream about Somali lawmakers.
jordan holmes
Well, that would make sense.
Yes.
Did they kill Gene Hackman?
dan friesen
They might have.
jordan holmes
That's the only thing that makes sense.
dan friesen
Breaking news.
jordan holmes
All Somali lawmakers, just by existing, have killed Gene Hackman.
dan friesen
No, no, there's other breaking news.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Before Gavin gets into the interview, we find out that airplanes might not work anymore.
Because the government's shut down?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
We might have to just shut down the air.
Yeah.
alex jones
And I predicted this two weeks ago.
I have Transportation Department sources.
I have TSA sources.
And I have FAA sources.
And I got contacted by two of them, so I called the other one, and they said, listen, TSA hadn't been paid weeks.
This weeks ago, they already got rid of the IT in many areas.
Everything's breaking.
They said a whole bunch of airports like Newark are almost shut down anyways because of the old equipment.
And TSA doesn't have the money.
They've been working for weeks and weeks.
Now it's over a month without pay.
They don't have money for gas.
They don't have money for child care.
So they can't come in.
So now you have three, four, five, six hour lines.
You have, on average, three, four-hour delays everywhere.
Airports shut down for six hours, 10 hours.
Now, Department of Transportation might be forced to shut down some airspace next week.
So they're talking about completely shutting down because if it gets so dangerous, and that's the call of the air traffic controllers, because they don't have enough people, and then it stacks up.
You know, one airport has a problem.
It moves on to the next.
It's a cascade.
They're already having more accidents, planes colliding on the runway.
Here is a clip of the Transportation Secretary about how the Democrat Party terrorism holding up this wow spending legislation has caused this.
We'll talk about this first with Gavin McGinnis right now.
Here's the clip.
sean duffy
The controller's got 90% of one payment, 80 to 90% of one payment.
They missed the second paycheck.
On Thursday, they get an email pay stop that'll show what their next payment is going to be.
So this Thursday, they'll get an email that shows that their pay stop is a big fat zero.
Many of the controllers said a lot of us can navigate missing one paycheck.
Not everybody, but a lot of us can.
None of us can manage missing two paychecks.
So if you bring us to a week from today, Democrats, you will see mass chaos.
You will see mass flight delays.
You'll see mass cancellations.
And you may see us close certain parts of the airspace because we just cannot manage it because we don't have the air traffic controllers.
alex jones
All the polls show that over 70% of Americans blame the Democrats.
I can't believe 25% are so dumb they don't.
This has never been done.
Longest shutdown in history.
A total shutdown on top of it.
The others were partial.
dan friesen
So Alex shouldn't care about the TSA all getting fired.
He thinks that the body scanners and all that shit is fake.
And he was super into Elon and Doge firing a bunch of air traffic folks.
So I don't get what his deal is now trying to pretend to care.
I looked up some polls about who the public blames for the shutdown.
And Alex's numbers are a little bit off.
jordan holmes
A little off?
dan friesen
An NBC News poll from November 2nd found 52% blame Trump and the GOP.
On October 22nd, Quinnipayak released a poll showing 45% of registered voters blame Trump and the Republican Party compared to 39% who blamed the Democrats.
I can't find any numbers close to his unless you were to take one of these polls and combine the people who blame Democrats and the people who blame both sides and reported that as people who blame Democrats and then not do the same thing with the GOP.
jordan holmes
Nah, that's weird how that works.
dan friesen
You can't control every lever of power and blame someone else for the government not running.
It's childish and it just comes off as transparently weak to anybody who's not already drinking your Kool-Aid.
Like it's just, this sounds dumb.
jordan holmes
I can't, you know, it's one of those things where this should be just a massive, like, we do got to redo everything because the idea that air traffic controllers have one of the most stressful jobs that has ever or ever will live, right?
And they're paid shit.
And we've known all of this for like 40 years, longer.
We've known all this since the 70s.
dan friesen
Well, there was that movie.
jordan holmes
Right?
We've been doing this whole thing, and we know that we could just pay them better.
How is it not possible for me to, in my head, just be like, oh, well, those guys are the ones in control of flying?
They're coddled.
I'll coddle them a little bit.
I'll give them a little bit too much.
I'll make them feel like, oh, I'm big dog here.
Yeah, you control Sky.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it turns out there's a lot of reasons we need to control Sky.
jordan holmes
How could you not understand?
Just pay these guys well.
This is multiple administrations.
This is no political party.
It is the dumb thing that we collectively do, which is not pay the people who control air the best.
dan friesen
I think, does this, this one goes back to Reagan, I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is Big Reagan.
dan friesen
I think this is a Reagan.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is the strike-breaking piece of shit, Reagan.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Who worked with Dick Cheney, who just died, who worked with Rumsfeld, who worked with Lemon Cerf.
jordan holmes
Hell makes sense.
dan friesen
Boom.
jordan holmes
Got it back six degrees.
dan friesen
Yep.
So Alex asks Gavin, brilliant street gang organizer, Gavin.
How should Trump fix the airports?
jordan holmes
Pay them!
No, of course not.
alex jones
So how does Trump respond to this?
gavin mcinnes
Can we just privatize all of this crap?
I mean, DEI is totally infected with the TSA.
I don't know about air traffic controllers, but it seems like things are getting worse over there.
The government has no reason to be involved with this.
I was just on a flight the other day.
This woman who was doing the, you know, the checking the bags on the little x-ray machine, she was so scared of getting it wrong, she just flagged every single bag.
So now we're all standing there in this mob.
It's like we're in the third world waiting to discuss what's in our bags.
No one had water in their bag or anything they're not supposed to have.
It was just incompetence.
So if anything, if there's a lesson from this, it's privatize.
Privatize everything you possibly can and start with the airport.
dan friesen
What an amazing, innovative solution that no one has ever considered before.
jordan holmes
Amazing.
dan friesen
It takes rogue minds like Gavin McGinnis to come up with the hackiest conservative solution for every problem.
Just privatize everything.
gavin mcinnes
Yep.
dan friesen
Gavin's story is kind of perfect because all that happened was that he was inconvenienced in a line and he came up with a story about it.
He has no idea what the person working the line saw or didn't see in people's bags.
It's entirely possible that she had good reason to check all of the bags that she checked.
But because it annoyed Gavin, he decided she was incompetent.
On one level, Gavin wants to privatize everything because he's part of a political movement that caters to the super rich at the expense of everyone else.
But it's also just a power thing.
If this employee worked for a private company, Gavin would feel a lot more empowered to yell at her and think that he could threaten her job by just complaining to the boss.
But because it's a government job, it's more likely union and she has some protections.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So he can't just be a piece of shit and like threaten her livelihood.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is, but it's, and that, it's that attitude that goes back to the air traffic controllers thing.
It all goes back to this.
The powerful people that have existed basically forever think that it is a better motivator to half starve people than it is to give them a comfortable life.
gavin mcinnes
Yep.
jordan holmes
That is.
dan friesen
And fear of starving the rest of the way.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
That's basically the whole thing.
Like the idea that there is no possible way that they can understand that giving air traffic controllers like big pay packages and benefits and stock options like they do with CEOs would probably make them work better.
They just can't process that.
But if you give a CEO a massive pay benefit package, they'll work better.
Isn't that crazy?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Doing what?
gavin mcinnes
Not anything.
unidentified
Oh.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So look, I think that you got to privatize these airports.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Because it's a good idea and it's cool.
And it'll work.
It'll make people better employees.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
But there's still another problem.
jordan holmes
What's that?
dan friesen
Some Muslims work at airports.
And this makes Gavin nervous.
unidentified
Oh, God.
alex jones
These people are idiots.
Not all of them, but.
gavin mcinnes
And their success rate is terrible.
They've been tested time and time again where people are putting in guns to test the TSA and they fail something like 70% of the time.
It's a total catastrophe full of boobs.
And here's another thing.
Why are there so many Muslims checking me?
Like, imagine every single terrorist attack involving planes in America was Nazi skinheads, okay?
And then you go to the airport and they're skinheads.
They're not Nazi skinheads, but they're skinheads.
You'd go, why are skinheads remotely involved with any of this?
I don't want to take the risk.
You go to Newark, you go to JFK, and there's a woman in a burqa, you know, with a wand making sure you're safe.
I'm like, I'm safe.
How do I know you're safe?
alex jones
I was literally telling the crew before he even said that, pull up the famous images of the Muslims like grabbing little kids' genitals.
It's totally insane.
dan friesen
So I know this.
If the airports weren't hiring Nazi skinheads, Gavin might fuck around and start a street gang to try and solve that problem.
And then you'd force the young white men he was hanging out with to not masturbate and then get drunk and punch each other while they named cereals.
jordan holmes
Hot.
dan friesen
This whole fucking shtick is just old.
I get it, man.
You're scared to see Muslims in public.
Who gives a shit?
Like, why are we humoring this anymore as if it's a serious thing?
jordan holmes
I mean, yeah, is that even supposed to be a joke?
I mean, obviously he's not a good person.
dan friesen
He's expressing hopes a laugh will come.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right.
But he's expressing it.
That's the thing.
He's trying to express a very genuine feeling in a way that he thinks will elicit a laugh.
dan friesen
Yeah, and then if he has to be held responsible for something, I'm joking.
jordan holmes
But what he feels is I feel uncomfortable when brown people are near me.
dan friesen
Yeah, because they're unique.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
They shouldn't have jobs.
jordan holmes
Which is why I, a very safe person, started a violent street gang.
dan friesen
Well, it got a little out of hand.
It was a drinking club named after a song in a musical.
jordan holmes
Like, okay, if, let's say, somebody were 100% of the time going to start a Violet Street Gang, that's Kevin McGennis.
dan friesen
Well, look, I mean, it was a drinking club, and they talked about ideas.
Right.
Big ideas.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like phrenology.
Things like that.
Interesting cutting-edge ideas.
jordan holmes
I mean, I just, it's just so hard to live in the same time period as these people.
dan friesen
It's rough.
But the future is going to be worse.
jordan holmes
That's probably true.
dan friesen
And Gavin explains that in the future, all voting will be racial.
alex jones
What is the end of them wanting a Mamdani or, you know, similarly, you know, similar Somali pirate crazy man there in the Minnesota.
What would they like to do?
What is their plan?
gavin mcinnes
Don't overthink it.
These are all simpletons, and all of these elections, from the Somali guy to Mom Danny, to basically all elections from here on in are going to be tribal.
They're going to divide into three groups.
Blacks will vote for the black guy.
Hispanics will vote for the Hispanic guy.
Whites will vote for the white guy.
And then within whites, you'll have Jews and Asians.
And within blacks, guys like Mem Daniels, Bangladeshis, Arabs.
Hispanics will just be Hispanics.
But we are drifting in to an idiocracy wherein everything is race-based.
Everything is ethnic.
Everything is tribal.
And they don't care about policies.
None of these people know what Mem Danny's policies are.
Free food at grocery stores, free buses, affordable housing.
alex jones
$50 million to cut more boys' dicks off.
gavin mcinnes
Less cops.
Like, it's all just made-up platitudes, but that's not why they're voting for him.
They're voting for him because they don't like white people, because they like browns.
It's all ethnic garbage.
dan friesen
So this is what you might call projection?
Yeah.
Gavin wants to not feel racist for his racist views on who should be in office.
So he's pretending that everyone thinks like he does.
Similarly, he has no idea of what Mamdani's policy platform is because his media ecosystem operates off memes and racism.
So he's projecting his unawareness onto all Mamdani supporters.
Gavin is a bigot piece of shit, but this is also just self-soothing behaviors that he's engaging in in this InfoWars safe space.
But you asked, how do you get this smart?
I think there's two critical aspects.
One, you drink a lot.
jordan holmes
That's important.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And then you have like a bunch of friends who don't want to talk to you anymore because you say shit like this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that makes sense.
dan friesen
Like have a nice supportive circle of people around you.
jordan holmes
They'll keep you from saying these things.
dan friesen
Yeah, but then keep saying them and then they'll stop talking.
jordan holmes
They'll stop being around.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So that's how you get this smart.
jordan holmes
Man, that is, that is so funny of like that idea of I must believe by my like everything, by everything that I am, by everything I believe, I must believe that I am at the top of the food chain smartwise.
So I cannot for a single second allow the possibility that anyone I disagree with is capable of a thought at a higher level than mine.
Thus, despite the fact that humanity has created the rocket, these people, they just think black is black.
dan friesen
I can't imagine ever voting for someone who wasn't white.
And therefore, everyone's like me.
jordan holmes
Right.
Obviously.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the only reason I would only vote for a white person is because they would only vote for a black person.
You know, like, I mean, what am I supposed to do?
jordan holmes
It's not possible, since I'm so stupid, it's not possible for other people to be smart enough to think about things.
So I must describe my stupidity to all.
dan friesen
Again, I think drinking and alienation, probably big factors in this brilliance.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Cuomo sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Momdani sucks more.
jordan holmes
Is that how this works now?
dan friesen
Yeah, because Cuomo's white.
gavin mcinnes
We're choosing between vomit and diarrhea here, but I guess I prefer vomit to diarrhea.
alex jones
I was about to say, Cuomo is arsenic.
Mamdani is cyanide, but he's white, Sinik.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah, I mean, Cuomo will wreck the city in less time.
We've already had Cuomo.
He killed about 7,000 geriatrics during COVID by refusing Trump's help with that giant hospital ship he brought in that Cuomo refused to acknowledge.
He pardons the weather underground.
He calls everyone a proud boy.
That's how he wins races.
He accuses everyone else of being proud boys.
So he's one of the worst politicians ever.
unidentified
But Ma'am Danny beats him.
alex jones
I'll be honest, I was also listeners.
I think it's good that Mamdani get in a wreck at all.
I know you live there and it's terrible.
But I mean, let's just get this out in the open.
I think worse, faster, better.
dan friesen
Smash cut to a hundred times.
Alex has said, I'm not an accelerationist.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's just blow it all up.
jordan holmes
I mean, this is the most perfect encapsulation of pure racism I think I've heard in a long, long time.
dan friesen
And I think that's because we haven't listened to a ton of Gavin outside of the Nick Fuentes interview.
We don't listen to a lot of him.
I think he is just straight up racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, he's very racist.
dan friesen
He's less anti-Semitic as a focus.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And I think a lot of the people that we deal with have much more complicated feelings on that front.
gavin mcinnes
Right.
dan friesen
But he is just out and out.
jordan holmes
It is not possible to have a conversation with somebody who is like, I have personal experience with this governor.
I have personal feelings about things he exactly did.
He does.
dan friesen
He slanders people as members of the street gang.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
He does all of these things.
I know he does all of these things because he has done them.
On the other hand, this guy who's 34, who I've never heard of before, who I genuinely don't know anything about, is Brown.
The end.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Bam.
Fuck me.
dan friesen
Cuomo sucks.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah, man.
Gavin sucks.
He's real bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's bad.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Is there breaking news?
dan friesen
There is breaking news.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
We have an update on the whether or not we can fly anymore stories.
jordan holmes
How are we doing?
dan friesen
It's not good.
jordan holmes
Uh-oh.
alex jones
All right.
Just about 25 minutes ago when Gavignis joined us live on air.
It was breaking.
The Department of Transportation might be forced to shut down some airspace, entire airports next week, said Duffy, because everything is breaking down.
Not just not paying the air travel controllers, but a month of not paying with DSA, a month of not paying IT.
The systems are just breaking.
All you can do is then shut down flights.
Well, this just broke.
FAA issues ground stop for all flights in and out of Reagan National Airport due to security issue on a United Airlines flight that landed from Houston, Texas.
All passengers have been offloaded and bussed to the terminal.
And again, a normal security issue wouldn't do this, but when everybody's understaffed, it's falling apart.
This happens.
So all of these things cascade and build up.
Not airlines passengers offboarded as Reagan.
Airport flights placed on ground stop due to security.
dan friesen
So regardless of staffing situations, what happened at Reagan Airport would have led to planes being grounded temporarily, no matter what.
They got a bomb threat from someone saying that a particular plane would explode if it landed and it had landed.
Alex is reporting this as if it's somehow connected to his earlier story because that's a good way to heighten tension and create intrigue and keep people listening.
But like, he has no reason to think that these are connected.
They're just both airplane stories.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, I just, I just don't know how I can, I don't know any way to process the air traffic controller story other than everybody in the government should be like, hey, we punched ourselves in the dick so hard in the past.
We're feeling it in the future.
Literally, Reagan punched himself in the dick so hard, his kids are hurting.
dan friesen
Yep.
Yeah.
It's some decisions that were made.
jordan holmes
And nobody's at all taking responsibility for it.
Nobody's out here going like, hey, listen, we fucked up in the past.
I get that we've got the shutdown going on right now, but this should be day one when we get back.
We'll just go, let's pay him a shit ton.
I don't even want a number.
We're going to write down shit ton of money.
dan friesen
I'm going to make a prediction.
Yeah.
We're going to punch ourselves in the dick again.
jordan holmes
I imagine that's probably going to be a.
dan friesen
Let's say the government eventually reopens.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
Which, why?
unidentified
At this point, huge dick punch.
dan friesen
So Alex and Gavin, they don't have a lot of news to talk about with that plane.
So they move on pretty quickly.
They start reflecting a little bit on like, our friends are kind of Nazis now.
jordan holmes
Soups Nazis.
dan friesen
Yeah, a bunch of these people that we hang out with, man, they don't like Jewish people.
alex jones
I want to get into Israel and the weird, it is weird because anybody that pays attention even to mainstream news, the universities, but also the internet, you'd say, oh, that's just text, that's just Facebook, that's just TikTok.
No, it's on the street.
It's when I go to a gas station.
It's when I got a repair guy at my house.
That's what I'm thinking.
I'm black, Hispanic, you know, old, young, white.
They're like, you know, it really is Israel.
They run everything.
We just dealt with them and everything be all right.
And I'm like, no, Israel's got some corruption and major problems.
There's a big lobby manipulates us.
They want to get us to war with Iran.
I've got major issues.
But no, I don't think, I don't think if we sent all the Jews to Mars, that would fix all the problems.
That said, there's such anti-white, such anti-Christian stuff from the left and others.
You can't point to Nick Fuentes and say he's the devil for basically responding to that by behaving the way he does because he doesn't sound half as hardcore as a leftist who says all Catholics are Christians or the devil and whites' genetics are inherently evil.
I mean, there's inherent anti-Semitism in the DNA of Europeans.
It's all crazy because the left will tell you Europeans are inherently anti-Semitic, but the Jews are the devil.
So how has this become the zeitgeist?
dan friesen
It's the zeitgeist to you.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is your zeitgeist.
You know how it's happened?
You did it, Alex.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
You allowed this to, you allowed yourself to become this kind of garbage.
But like, I think that, you know, there's something, there's something fascinating about how like Alex can't, he has to create this like cartoon character of like, oh, white genes are bad.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, and that, that is the left.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
This cartoon racist, anti-white character is the left.
And that's the only way he can even justify talking to Nick.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Because he knows what Nick believes.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
alex jones
Yes.
jordan holmes
And that's, and it's, it's, to him, it's like, look at how bad I'm describing them.
But he's not understanding the context.
If you have to describe them that bad, that's how bad you are.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
And let's take this one step further.
You ding-dongs love debate.
Why aren't you debating these anti-white cartoon characters?
jordan holmes
Oh, we don't talk to them.
They're terrorists.
dan friesen
Or they don't exist.
jordan holmes
Well, there is that too.
We were trying to debate Antifa, but then they disappeared in a pile of smoke.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So instead, we'll just have Nick, who admittedly is a big old Nazi.
We'll have him on and talk about how interesting and avant-garde his ideas are.
jordan holmes
Like, can you imagine being like, okay, listen, I know Nick is a out-and-out white supremacist, but this is in response to circumstances at the time.
Now, the left, on the other hand, they believe in a progressive tax structure.
38% for the top income earners of past $1 million earned?
Bullshit.
How could you ever talk to them?
This Nazi wants to eradicate the Jews.
How unreasonable is that?
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, tax rate's going to get you Hitler.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You know, like eventually, yeah.
So there's something going on in the right wing, right?
And there's something happening where Gavin feels like he's being pitted against Nick in some way, right?
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And this is a sabotage that someone is doing to him.
gavin mcinnes
We are being sabotaged.
I'm back on Twitter now after a seven-year gulag, and I was saying that the thing that annoys me about the left is they have this Facebook MSNBC bubble.
And I know that sounds old, but these people are old.
And they put something in the bubble.
They can curate it just like a museum.
And they go, all right, Trump is going to go for three terms and he's going to take away your social security.
So have a no-kings rally defying those things, which aren't even true.
And so they have this massive rally, and it's frustrating.
But we are the same.
Someone has decided to curate our bubble and say, drive a wedge from right to right about Israel, anti-Semitism, use Nick Fuentes and their hero, Tucker Carlson, and make that separate the right.
And we are all falling for it.
It drives me nuts.
dan friesen
So I listened to Gavin and Nick's supposed debate, and him trying to sell this angle is disingenuous.
jordan holmes
Not good.
dan friesen
No one's injecting some kind of feud into their right-wing bubble, but pretending that's what's happening is the only way that Gavin can ignore the fact that there's just a divide happening in their media space that's based on a sincere disagreement.
They all want white supremacy, but don't agree on whether or not Jewish people can be white.
Nick was clear that he doesn't believe Jewish people are white, and Gavin was clear that he thinks Jewish people are exceptional whites.
This is the argument that they're having in all of these debates.
And I just refuse to play along with the idea that they don't understand that.
They're not that oblivious of these issues that they care so much about.
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, listen, if you're the type of person who says the only way that this thing that's happening makes sense is if a random unknown person is sabotaging it for an unknown reason, that sounds crazy, right?
But if what you're doing is this, then the only way for you to not sound like you're crazy is to be like, well, somebody's sabotaging us, clearly.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, we're crazy people shouting about ending the Jews.
dan friesen
Yeah, in the same way that Alex has to create this cartoon character to justify talking about Nick, Gavin has to create this delusion of bubbles in order to justify sabotaging us, then we're crazy.
jordan holmes
And since that can't be true.
dan friesen
And we may have a moral obligation to act differently than we do.
Yep.
And also, it was Steve Bannon who was saying that Trump's going to go for a third term.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
And they very much want to take Social Security.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I mean, that's not a bubble thing.
unidentified
That predates Trump quite a bit.
jordan holmes
That predates slavery.
dan friesen
So now this might rock you to your core.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I want to give Gavin McGinnis exactly one compliment.
unidentified
Ooh.
jordan holmes
I'm excited.
dan friesen
He is not unclear about Nick being anti-Semitic.
jordan holmes
Okay.
gavin mcinnes
It's okay to disagree with Fuentes.
It's okay to have problems with Israel.
Israelis have a million problems with Israel.
You're not an anti-Semite if you're curious.
Yes, Nick Fuentes is anti-Semitic.
That's why I debated him a couple weeks ago.
It's on my site, censored.tv.
We got along great because we were not allowing people to drive a wedge between us.
We argue about things.
Tucker Carlson, I've known him for a quarter of a century.
If anything defines Tucker Carlson, it's his curiosity.
dan friesen
Ooh.
His curiosity face that he does is very convincing.
jordan holmes
People just focus on the wrong stuff about Goebbels.
unidentified
Goebbels had a lot to say for him, man.
jordan holmes
He was a talented filmmaker.
dan friesen
So now, I think that there's two prongs of this that are fascinating.
And one is that Gavin is not trying to hide Nick's beliefs.
jordan holmes
Nick's a Nazi.
dan friesen
It's not about Israel.
It's not about some kind of a political thing.
He is an anti-Semite.
Nazi hates Jews.
And the second thing is, I don't understand how Gavin couldn't understand that Nick was making fun of him.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Like, in that debate, he was mocking Gavin to his face.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
They did not have a good time.
jordan holmes
No.
No, but they accomplished what they were out to do, right?
So I imagine that all of their collective memories of the way Nick treated them have soothed quite a bit since then, right?
dan friesen
Everyone made a little money.
Yeah.
But yeah, if you watch that interview, it's very clear that Nick is making fun of him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And mocking him.
Like, there's a couple points where he tries, Gavin tries to rebut a point that Nick is making by calling a Jewish person that he knows, and then the Jewish person ends up agreeing with Nick.
Right.
And then they mock Gavin to his face.
Right.
So, like, it's a humiliation more than anything.
And for him to be like, we had a great time.
We had a debate.
It's delusional.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's no good.
dan friesen
So we have some other big news, but this isn't breaking.
jordan holmes
This is not breaking news.
dan friesen
No, this is maybe some gossip.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Alex spills the beans about how he was the one who set up the interview between Tucker and just interject this real quick.
alex jones
I am the person that engineered the Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes thing.
He was really pissed when he was talking about his dad.
Tucker called me.
He said, is this guy good or bad?
I said, I think he means well.
I think you should talk to him.
You should just have him on and just neutralize the situation.
So they went and talked and then had dinner and then did it.
I had no idea that this would then blow up into all of this.
I was trying to do the opposite.
unidentified
Now you fucked up.
jordan holmes
Fine.
You can just never learn things.
That's just, it's possible.
I have lived my life completely wrong.
You can just not learn.
Like, you can just not do it.
I just refuse.
No.
dan friesen
I think that if this story is true, which I'm highly doubt.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm dubious on it.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think if it's true, Tucker's a fucking idiot.
alex jones
Yep.
dan friesen
Because he talked to Alex Jones and was like, is this kid cool?
I mean, who keeps calling me a fed and did a couple of documentary episodes of his show exposing me and I called a gay weirdo in his mom's basement?
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Is he cool?
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Should I have him on my show?
jordan holmes
That this is the story behind this.
dan friesen
I don't think it is.
jordan holmes
These people are absolutely nuts.
dan friesen
But I think Alex needs to make himself the center of things.
Yeah.
It makes sense.
jordan holmes
Now is a good time to.
Everybody's exhibiting a lot of self-soothing behavior these days.
Yeah.
A lot of thumbs being sucked.
dan friesen
Holy shit.
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Very appropriate that you say that.
jordan holmes
We're about to get some thumb sucking.
dan friesen
This next clip is the most like, everything's okay.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
I've heard in a long time.
alex jones
And I've had talks with Fuentes off air and on air, and I've said, listen, the Democrats are making you this poster child and saying how great you are and pushing you and the young Turks are because they want to drive this wedge.
You know, once they get in, they're going to put you in prison.
I said, the Republicans aren't going to put you in prison.
The Democrats are cancer, buddy.
And I've said it on air and off.
And I said, you just really need to think long game here.
Okay.
And that's all I've said.
And I'm like, you know, okay, yeah, a bunch of rich Jews did put Trump over the top.
So did all of us because he's better.
You cannot throw babies out with the bathwater and you cannot monolithically say Israel is just one big thing because it's not.
And he sort of, I think, because he gets this.
People come to his house to kill him.
Where were the Democrats when that happened, you know, 10 months ago?
They weren't defending him.
I was.
So I'm just saying, think second, third, fourth order.
And I think Nick is smart enough to do it.
So give, I know he respects you.
He says he loves you.
I do too.
Talk to Nick right now.
I mean, how do we thread the needle here?
gavin mcinnes
Well, I think Nick is coming around.
dan friesen
I mean, yeah, it's probably coming around.
jordan holmes
I think he's coming around.
I think he's got this one.
These guys are so crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is so weird.
It has to be just they're trapped in this old world.
Like, because the reason that Nick and his ill can really get away with it now, right, is Israel committed a genocide.
You can't commit a genocide.
Can't do it.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
No, I think that helps, you know, launder anti-Semitism into Israel discourse.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
I think that that definitely provides a lot of cover for Nick.
gavin mcinnes
Exactly.
dan friesen
But I think it's there's a lot of other variables.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
And many of them are Alex and Tucker's fault.
jordan holmes
No, absolutely.
But that's what I'm saying, is that they're not living in the world where you can just do it, right?
They're living in the world where there's going to be a cancellation coming.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Somebody is going to get canceled.
dan friesen
It's almost like they think the parents will take care of the adults will eventually come and reveal him to be a Nazi and then he won't be their problem.
jordan holmes
See, you're not allowed to be a Nazi.
They're waiting to say, I told you so, whenever the adults ground him.
dan friesen
And it's not going to happen, and he's not coming around.
jordan holmes
No, of course not.
You're going to be licking his boots.
dan friesen
I think there's some pathetic losers.
So fun about this reassurance.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This, this, like, I think he's coming around.
He's a good kid.
jordan holmes
I think he's coming around.
He's got some bad ideas, but I think he'll grow out of them.
dan friesen
He's got a lot of bad ideas.
You know he believes them.
You are very clear that he's an anti-Semite.
Alex, you're talking about conversations you've had with him off air about this.
Like, come on, guys.
jordan holmes
When you sound like the New York Times in response to Hitler's election, you know, I think he's going to get moderated over time.
You have made a grave miscalculation.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And again, this goes back to like, you know, what you were saying about like if you could just jump in midstream or whatever.
If you're Nick hearing that shit, it's just like, these guys are so weak.
jordan holmes
You're just so weak.
Did you just hear him say, I think he's coming around?
Listen to that tone of voice.
alex jones
Ugh.
dan friesen
Very desperate.
And I think the reason they're desperate is because, like, you know, Charlie Kirk's dead now, and there's not a lot of connection to the youth.
There aren't a lot of cool Republicans.
gavin mcinnes
I think the biggest thing is ignore the youth at your own peril.
We are all acting like school marms right now.
And when you do that and you turn someone into a pariah, young people go, well, that's cool.
He's Sid Vicious.
I like that.
So just calm down and stop being such an uptight person.
alex jones
I was about to say, doesn't AIPAC know by attacking Tucker?
I mean, because I could do this and Edgelord.
And Tucker's not been doing it.
Nick's always been doing it, so he's not edgelording.
But everybody else is, this is who he is.
But exactly.
Don't they know by attacking them and saying they need to die that that turns them into the ultimate Sid vicious?
gavin mcinnes
And your movement is nothing without young people.
So at the very least, lend them an ear and see what they're doing.
I mean, a lot of Nick's most hyperbolic quotes are obviously the way we talk in bars.
He's obviously being hyperbolic when he says we have to deport every all the small hats and all the pejites and all that stuff.
Is that the way you talk in bars?
jordan holmes
Which negates your non-talking.
gavin mcinnes
Interesting.
But to just write him off as baby Hitler and then say Tucker's lost his mind.
He's not mega, write him off.
That is exactly what the left is going for.
And we have, we're the mature ones in the room.
We're the ones who laugh and say, oh, touche, and we can handle your debate.
dan friesen
Ho ho, ho, ho.
So it's fun to say that Nick is just saying things that you would say at a bar, but adults don't talk like they do at the bar all the time.
It's embarrassing in other contexts to talk like that.
Even if we just accept that Gavin loves being a racist at a bar.
jordan holmes
I guess.
dan friesen
Like even if that's cool, I guess.
Then still, you know, don't talk like you're at the bar all the time.
jordan holmes
Especially not if you're on a radio or TV or the internet.
dan friesen
Folks like Gavin have to cling to the illusion that Nick's racist and anti-Semitic beliefs are just locker room talk because if they were real about the fact that Nick would deport all the Jewish people in the United States if he could, they might feel a responsibility to change their behavior in response to their disagreement with him.
As long as you pretend it's all fun in games, you can justify being complicit in it and even present your complicity as you being mature enough to get this sophisticated racist humor.
But once you start dealing with this in the harsh daylight of reality, you might have to stop making money talking to this asshole.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's one of those things where if you believe what Nick Fuentes believes, right?
Then I am set against you.
Like there is no talk.
There is, you are my enemy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We are not in a situation where there's a debate or an agreement that can be come to.
One of us can have what we want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Right.
Our fundamental disagreement involves whether or not other people are equal humans.
Yep.
I will not budge on this, and neither will you.
jordan holmes
Not even a little bit.
dan friesen
What's the fucking point?
jordan holmes
Exactly.
And these people have some sort of like, well, some people are people.
And it's like, I don't even know where to begin with why you would even start that.
Once you start with some people are people, just be a racist all the way.
What are you talking about?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'm just a little ripped.
alex jones
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
Just be a racist.
dan friesen
You're either lying about how racist you are or setting yourself up to be exploited by a person who's going to make you more racist.
Yep.
jordan holmes
It's ridiculous.
It's ridiculous.
dan friesen
But see, Alex, he likes to talk to Nick because he's forever young.
unidentified
Alex, I couldn't even say that.
jordan holmes
I'm on his team, I guess.
Blow it up.
alex jones
I'm always forever young.
I always want to learn the newest thing.
I'm fascinated with youth because I'm forever young.
And that's why I have Nick Fuentes on because I got a magnifying glass on that.
And exactly, these guys like Mark Levin and their bubbles, they don't know what they're talking about.
They have no idea.
Yeah.
gavin mcinnes
No, ignore the youth at your own peril.
What I always say to Nick is, I'm like, you're, you're basically, you sound like a Jew right now, Nick.
Because what do Jews do?
I'm funny, right?
jordan holmes
I think I'm funny.
gavin mcinnes
War over the 20s.
jordan holmes
People think I'm funny.
gavin mcinnes
They criticize themselves.
They say oy ve where they're bad for society.
They overanalyze every move they ever make.
That's a very Jewish thing.
He sounds like the rabbis I know when he talks about there's two groups.
alex jones
There's the people obsessed with Israel and the Jews in general that are obsessed with.
It's like, I'm not against the Jews or and I'm going to be not get the Nazis reformed over here.
But exactly, it's like, can you understand that I'm not obsessed with you?
And you give me a headache?
dan friesen
This is cool.
This is a good bit.
These guys are, this is what it's like in a writer's room.
jordan holmes
This is a two-man game.
This is his first banana, second banana shit.
dan friesen
These Jews give me a headache.
unidentified
Woof.
What the fuck?
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
To be to be these two dudes.
Just being fucking insane at each other.
And it's the left's fault.
dan friesen
I do.
Look, I love the idea that they have found careers where they can just show up wasted, probably.
And it doesn't really matter.
jordan holmes
No, it probably actually makes their performances a lot better.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that Gavin thought that was hilarious.
jordan holmes
I know he thought it was hilarious.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I know deep down inside he was like, people are going to lose their shit over this.
unidentified
This fucking 23-year-old kid, 26, whatever the fuck age he's.
jordan holmes
This Nazi?
He sounds like a Jew.
unidentified
Holy shit.
jordan holmes
What's that?
Give me a round of applause.
dan friesen
I mean, I basically dunked on him so hard that he's going to come around.
jordan holmes
That is, that is, that is so much like the type of shit you would hear at an open mic.
And you just see this 19-year-old kid walk off real sad.
And it made you feel good.
I have not, I miss, you know what?
I really miss watching people truly fail and knowing it.
dan friesen
Well, and it's not that.
jordan holmes
That's what comedy gives to you.
dan friesen
Like at an open mic, too, you could see someone fail and then you would see them go over and maybe get a couple shots.
Yep.
And you knew what was happening.
jordan holmes
Yep.
The day has begun.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yep.
dan friesen
And Gavin should feel that way.
alex jones
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
I think he drinks and he's a little happier, though.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So anyway, Gavin's got to go.
jordan holmes
Good.
dan friesen
Just check the time on this watch that Alex used to own.
And Gavin's got to go.
Got to go.
And so, unfortunately, there's no time to get into more Muslim bashing about Mamdani.
gavin mcinnes
Of course.
alex jones
Gavin, you're on fire.
Can you do like 10 more minutes or you got to go?
gavin mcinnes
I got to go.
I'm live in five minutes.
alex jones
Darn it.
Well, I wanted to show you the ballot in New York.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Come back again.
gavin mcinnes
Oh, yeah.
Zoran's on it twice.
alex jones
Yeah.
gavin mcinnes
Unbelievable.
alex jones
But it's worse than that.
Wait, exactly.
gavin mcinnes
All right.
alex jones
I said, wait till we see the ballot.
Well, we got it.
Censored TV, censored.tv.
Gavin, amazing interview.
Thank you so much.
gavin mcinnes
Thanks for having me, man.
Appreciate it.
dan friesen
So we want to talk about how Zoron's on the ballot twice, and we have some theories about it.
We have some conspiracies about it.
But we wasted too much time talking about Nick.
unidentified
They spent so much time talking about goddamn Nick.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's what they wanted to, it's what they want to talk about.
We want to talk about gossip and palace intrigue and all of that shit so bad because the idea of actually running a government is horrifying.
dan friesen
That is true.
But I also think that they gravitate towards this conversation because they do understand what the media crossroads is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like they're particularly interested in gossiping about Nick because I think they're worried a bit about the influence that he wields.
jordan holmes
It definitely feels like they're both agreeing, like tone of voice-wise, behavior-wise, content-wise.
These are two people agreeing that if shit goes down, they're on Nick's team.
dan friesen
Yes, but also that whiteness is primary.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right, right, for sure.
dan friesen
I think Alex and Gavin are both people who don't really care that much about Israel or anti-Semitic ideas.
gavin mcinnes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, everything that Alex believes is like marinated anti-Semitic shit.
gavin mcinnes
Right.
dan friesen
But I don't think that he, like, is mad at Jewish people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Whereas Nick is.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I think Alex and Gavin are more on that, just like, hey, white is white.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, cool.
Whereas Nick's got rules.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's, that's the thing.
Like, in a way, both of these two old men kind of realize that white's not real.
And eventually, if we've got too much white, then there'll be white that's whiter than white, and we'll get rid of those guys.
They'll be non-white now, too, you know?
dan friesen
But then also, if the only cool kid in the Gen Z crowd is the guy who has more rules than us, we're going to have to start following his rules.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And I think that I think they're struggling with that.
And that there's kind of an awareness because Alex isn't going to be cool again.
unidentified
Nope.
dan friesen
Gavin debatably never was that cool.
gavin mcinnes
Agreed.
dan friesen
Like all of these people who have like mainstream radio shows, they're not really cool.
No one's cool.
But Nick's kind of cool.
unidentified
I mean, that's so sad.
jordan holmes
These people are so sad.
dan friesen
I think Alex should start streaming video games.
jordan holmes
I agree.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That'd be better than whatever this is.
dan friesen
Painting show.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Streaming video games.
Yep.
Cooking.
Probably a cooking.
jordan holmes
I mean, I think you're right.
I think his penance All of us, right?
Because his penance to the families will never be paid, but his penance to the world will never be paid either.
He should be forced to be a blank entertainer.
And that's it.
Like, he has to always be entertaining.
Something that he is doing must be watched by other people, and they must find it entertaining.
dan friesen
Well, that's too high a bar to clear.
But I think that's.
I think we could do a.
I want to be clear.
As far as penance goes, for me, I've got his watch.
I don't give a shit.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
But if we want to work out something for the world, I think people should be like, okay, here's the theme for your show this week.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Like, painting could be this week.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Maybe next week.
jordan holmes
A Democratic vote is the worst thing possible.
People will vote and they won't.
Votes will count twice if you don't like Alex.
dan friesen
And maybe some weeks be like, hey, you know what?
You've been having a good time with these bad suggestions that we have.
We'll give you a shooting week.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
You can go shoot some guns.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
We'll watch that.
jordan holmes
But there'll be a twist.
dan friesen
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, it's going to be, there's always going to be a twist.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Probably a bear trap.
I just feel like bear traps should be involved at all times.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
dan friesen
Dick Cheney faked his death.
He's going out shooting with.
jordan holmes
That's a good call.
Now we've got it going.
Now we're doing something.
dan friesen
Also, Alex did not seem to bring up or talk much about Cheney dying.
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Weird.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Being mad about Tucker stuff is probably more important.
jordan holmes
These guys are really, they really are obsessed with Nick being.
dan friesen
They're deep in the weeds.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
It's sad.
jordan holmes
It is sad.
dan friesen
And we'll find out how deep this sad bullshit goes next time when we check in.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
unidentified
Yep.
alex jones
We'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Spark.
I am the mysterious professor.
alex jones
Yeah, woo!
unidentified
Yeah, woo!
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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