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#1082: October 3, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to see how things are going around Infowars, where Alex is preparing for the worst and celebrating how popular his new app launch has gone.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
10:18
d
dan friesen
37:25
j
jordan holmes
17:54
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chase geiser
03:55
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pamzer.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Pam.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the airplane for all of them.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish pin color.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your room.
Knowledge fight.
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around.
Worship at the Altar of Celine.
I talk a little bit about Alex Joe's.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
I got a question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot is that I have continued to watch MacGyver.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
And I watched the second episode.
Little bit of a drop in excitement.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot more gunplay.
Sure.
Helicopters.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
He shoots a Roman candle at a car and it blows up.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
And fantastic.
dan friesen
He has to go to Burma.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
So this is, man, it's so funny whenever countries have changed their name in my lifetime.
dan friesen
This is 1985, my friend.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you think about it and you're like, oh, well, obviously Persia's not Persia anymore, but it didn't happen a couple of years ago.
You know?
So this is so Burma.
dan friesen
He goes to Burma.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
He has to go.
The government has lost a canister of chemicals that are very dangerous.
jordan holmes
Dangerous chemicals.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's like a crash or something like that.
So he's got to go in-country to retrieve these chemicals.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And he stumbles across a guy who runs poppy fields and enslaves a local population.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And so MacIver has to rally the local population to take out these opium growers.
jordan holmes
So A story, we got to get these chemicals.
B story, we got to save the people first before we can get the chemicals.
dan friesen
Interestingly, he solves the chemical plot and rejects a light out of there on a helicopter so he can stay behind and help these people free themselves from the slavery of the opium.
jordan holmes
He's a good man.
He's a good man.
dan friesen
He's a great guy.
There's another little kid that he saves.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
There seems to be a lot of big brother type energy.
jordan holmes
Somebody's got to be.
Somebody's got to be.
It's the mid-90s.
Nobody's out there for us anymore.
dan friesen
He's shockingly playful in his taking out of drug cartel human slaver.
jordan holmes
Is he a killer or does, or do we try and knock people out?
You know what I mean?
dan friesen
I think there's a lot of room for knockout.
jordan holmes
There's a lot of room for knockout.
dan friesen
There's a lot of room for believing these people aren't necessarily dead.
unidentified
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Although some of them are.
Some of them are for sure dead.
Well, the drug kingpin at the end of it gets impaled on a giant thing.
jordan holmes
That'll happen.
dan friesen
So there's some plausible, like, well, MacGyver didn't kill him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But that dude was dead.
jordan holmes
That dude got.
The events that led, that began with MacGyver showing up looking for chemicals ended with that guy being impaled.
Okay.
dan friesen
All because he thought MacGyver was a DEI agent.
Not DEI.
He's not just trying to bring Wolf to the opium trade.
jordan holmes
That changes.
That changes things.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, it wasn't as good as the first episode.
And I'm going to keep watching, but I will say that the kiss count has not gone up.
Oh.
It's still three kisses in the first episode.
jordan holmes
A lot of kisses in the first episode.
Front-loaded all the kisses.
dan friesen
Zero kisses in episode two, so we're still at three.
jordan holmes
Just dangerous chemicals.
That's where we're at.
No kisses.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Unspecified chemicals that are in a little canister.
Right.
That's great.
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why would I care?
dan friesen
He ends up defeating this guy, this drug lord who's in a helicopter by tying the helicopter to a Jeep.
Perfect.
And then cranking the cord so the helicopter has to come down.
jordan holmes
Those winches are really strong.
dan friesen
And so are his arms.
It's great.
Anyway, what's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is, I suppose it's got to be, Taylor Swift has a new album out.
And I finished saying all the mean things that I can think of about it.
Man, it's bad.
It's really bad.
Like, we're talking, there's one song that has a dollar sign in the name of it.
dan friesen
Arlis.
Is it about Arlis?
jordan holmes
If it was, it would probably be better.
But it is just, it is horrible.
Like, even her other songs, you know, whenever I would make fun of them, at least they were oftentimes, you know, just regular pop songs that you can enjoy, and I was being unfairly mean to them.
Some of these are absolute trash.
Like, real bad.
dan friesen
Well, here's the problem that I have with this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You would never say if it was good.
jordan holmes
I would.
dan friesen
No, you wouldn't.
jordan holmes
I would.
If it was.
I don't have to worry about it.
dan friesen
See, that's what I'm saying.
There is no way that she could make an album that you would say is good.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
I agree with that.
Of course.
But that's my point.
I'm conceding that I would be an asshole anyways, right?
No matter what.
So don't worry about whether or not I say it's good or not.
dan friesen
You're like pitchfork.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's a pretension to your Taylor Swift hate.
jordan holmes
Of course.
I'm doing it for the joy.
I'm in it for the love of the game.
dan friesen
But yeah, it's fun.
Is there a track that you like?
jordan holmes
Okay, so there's a lot of fucking Travis Kelsey in the album.
That's what the whole album is about.
dan friesen
Like sound effects of them fucking or does he do verses?
I mean, guest verse?
jordan holmes
Very much a lot of it is like, hey, Travis Kelsey's got a big dick.
But, you know, in flowery language.
It's like if Emily Dickinson was like, man, I love fucking.
So it's a lot like that.
dan friesen
Don't you think a lot of people from history were saying stuff like that?
jordan holmes
Not Emily Dickinson.
Okay.
But yeah, a lot of people were.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But this one.
So anyways, I think one of my favorite tracks is Canceled because I love a good, extremely rich and famous person lamenting how canceled they are.
dan friesen
Do you think it's possible that there's a satire to her?
I haven't heard any of these, so I can't say.
I don't have any experience.
jordan holmes
I read up on that one.
That one is very blunt.
Some people canceled, I think, Blake Lively, and now we've got to talk about it.
Okay.
That's what the song is about.
dan friesen
You know why they canceled Blake Lively, though?
jordan holmes
Why?
dan friesen
Too much gossip.
Right?
She was on Gossip Girl, wasn't she?
unidentified
Oh, God, is that what that was?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I was pulling from my old buddy Mike Wiley's joke from Too Much Gossip.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Do you remember the water cooler story?
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Well, I'll listen to the album, and I'm sure it's great, and you just have a chip on your shoulder.
jordan holmes
I'm just a crinching of a mean guy.
dan friesen
And look, I like haters, and I'm not against it, but I also like pop.
jordan holmes
No, some of it is fine, but some of it.
Oh, boy.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Well, I'm sure the Swifties and our audience are thrilled to hear your take.
And I'm sure you won't hear about it.
chase geiser
No, I doubt it.
dan friesen
So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking a little bit about checking back in with Alex.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Seeing what's going on now that he shaved the Hitler mustache off.
And we're going to talk about October 3rd.
A little bit of it, but I will say that this is going to be a shorty.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Little brief episode.
jordan holmes
Did we run away?
dan friesen
I ran out of patience.
chase geiser
Ah, that'll happen.
dan friesen
So we'll check in on how all this goes.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, shout out to Patricia, the previous owner of the phone number given to me when I got my first cell phone in 2008.
I'm not really sure why or how you lost your number.
It's been a couple years since I last heard from someone looking for you, but know that wherever you are, you'll never be forgotten in my heart.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I've had that experience a lot with people who I know because they used to have my number.
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
It sucks.
Next, fuck the so-called Corn Husker click.
Immigrants make Nebraska great.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Walk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And from the war hero to Hydra, you'll never be as magical as me.
Click, click.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to your previous shout out was your dead name.
So here's another Walter.
Thank you so much.
You're an Iowa Technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yeah, thank you very much.
dan friesen
So we start today's episode, and there's, you know, there's big news in the world.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
A lot of shit's happening.
jordan holmes
I mean, genuinely, a lot of shit has happened.
dan friesen
And I think you get to a certain point when you're doing a show about Alex Jones.
Sure.
And fundamentally, everything that he's supposed to stand for is being violated by the guy that he supports.
I think there's a lunacy in pretending that anything means anything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I don't care what Alex's take is on sending troops to Chicago or to Portland.
Yeah.
I don't give a fuck.
It doesn't matter.
Right.
He's going to justify this, and it's fundamentally opposed to everything that he's supposed to believe in.
And I think engaging with it is kind of, it's a weird exercise.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is strange.
We've moved past curiosity to the point where now, even like the unknown future, I'm less curious about because it's already ruined the past.
dan friesen
At least for him.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
His existence as an entity is somewhat invalidated by his actions that he's taken in the fairly recent present.
I think that there are some ways that you could defend from a historical prism.
Like 15 years from now, I think you could probably defend some of the actions around 2016, 2017, even into 2020.
Alex would be able to spin that in some way.
Sure.
As being like, that's not a stake through the heart of my vampire career or whatever.
But this is, and there's just no way around it.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
And that kind of, I don't know, makes him feel dumb.
jordan holmes
I mean, he is dumb.
He is dumb.
It's like every, it's the, it's things catching up in the opposite direction.
It's not like we caught up with him.
It's, he's just fucking fell because he's fat and stupid.
dan friesen
But it's not, when I say he's dumb, I mean he's dumb in his own prism.
Sure.
You know, like he's not duh.
He's always been dumb to the world.
Sure.
But by his own standards and his own rules, like he just looks dumb.
And that, I don't know.
The Hitler mustache really was like, that's about all you can do.
jordan holmes
That was the nadir.
That's where it happened.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
I don't know.
He puts a bad taste in my mouth.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we're going to start off with there's some big developments around InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
The world, a lot of other stuff going on.
In-house.
alex jones
It is Friday, October 3rd, 2025.
Just this morning, I learned major news about the Democrats' latest attempt to shut down InfoWars and so much more.
Stay with us for about two years.
unidentified
InfoWars.
alex jones
Tomorrow's news.
dan friesen
Today.
alex jones
Cover massively important news.
dan friesen
Mistimed that slightly.
jordan holmes
That's embarrassing.
dan friesen
So the big news is that Alex has here is that the federal bankruptcy judge has clarified his position on whether or not plaintiffs could pursue free speech systems assets in state court.
Alex's personal bankruptcy is a matter in this federal court, and free speech systems is one of the things that he owns.
But free speech systems bankruptcy is separate from Alex's, which is something that he's tried to use to his advantage.
The federal court has tried to give the company to a trustee, which could then organize the auction of the company, which would effectively resolve its bankruptcy.
Alex would sell off the asset and the money he was entitled to from the sale would go into his personal bankruptcy estate, which was under the control of the federal court.
alex jones
Yes.
dan friesen
However, with the auction falling apart and the trustee telling the court recently that they can't find a serious buyer, the odds are that this is going to end up being a situation where they abandon the claim on the property, which would mean that ownership would revert back to Alex.
Jesus.
As is the case in bankruptcies.
Even so, with a buyer not being found, Free Speech Systems is still just a company that's in bankruptcy.
Because Alex's personal estate is currently under a stay from collections and being pursued in state courts, Alex's lawyers have tried to argue that applies to free speech systems as well.
But this argument was just rejected.
To us, we can see that Infowars is a one-talent business and that Alex is synonymous with free speech systems.
But that's not really how the law sees it.
Free speech systems is a different entity with a different bankruptcy.
So Alex's stuff being temporarily shielded doesn't protect the assets of a company that he owns.
All this is bad news for Alex and another sign that he's running out of moves.
But again, as I have to say, whenever we talk about this stuff, this doesn't really matter that much to Alex.
He's already got a new fake business and new fake network to replace all the old stuff.
So as long as he can migrate customers over there, shutting free speech systems won't put him out of business.
That's not to say that the plaintiff shouldn't do it or that they don't have the right to carry this out however they want.
Just that anyone who's hoping that this is like a final shoe that's going to drop is going to be disappointed.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There will be diminishment.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And, you know, like no customer migration is 100%.
So you're never, you're going to lose some people along the way.
Sure.
It's not going to be like he's wearing a barrel with suspenders.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think now we're moving into dark curiosity territory where it's like, okay, this should be studied in law schools 10 years from now.
This should be a case study of like, look at the holes in our system that we allowed this mouse to run through.
You know, like, this is some stuff that can happen.
Here's how you notice it.
Here's how you see it.
Here's how you spot it in advance.
And here's how we avoid letting it happen again.
You know, that seems like where we are now because the victory would have you can't win if you've already lost years of your life.
You know, we're at that kind of level of winning the case.
So we might as well watch it with dark fascination.
dan friesen
Sure.
And I mean, I do think that it is stuff that will be studied.
Yeah, it has to be.
I think we've never seen such a flagrant shithead with bad intent abuse the system this way.
Like there have been a lot of maybe like less interesting and less look at me, look at me type businesses that have abused the system.
Right, right, right, right, right.
Quite extensively, but not to this, not like this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's a level of respect, I think, many people have for the amount of rat fuckery you can get away with as long as you're cool about it.
You know, like the companies and corporations with all their lawyers who have all of this stuff, like if you boiled it away and took all this stuff away, maybe it's bullshit.
The same as what Alex is saying.
But look at how flowery and nice it is.
Look at those people.
They're dressed nice.
They're not screaming like Alex Jones at you.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's a veneer of rationality to it, whereas Alex is just like, ah, I'm giving money to me.
Yeah, everyone's trying to destroy me.
So the good news is, as the globalists and the Dems are trying to destroy Alex, he's as big as he's ever been.
unidentified
Of course.
alex jones
InfoWars was the number one English-speaking media organization, period, in 2016, 2017, 2018.
And under censorship, we got crushed down, but we're still very influential and massive, not just on air but behind the scenes.
But since Elon brought us back two and a half years ago, just on Excel as a beach yet, then Rumble, we have been one of the top two or three broadcasts.
And I haven't really wanted to say this because I know our enemies already know it, but the listeners need to know the success we're having, which shows what the public's looking for, how awake they are.
We're number one.
We're bigger than Rogan, bigger than Tucker, bigger than everything.
We're number one again.
And you just have to understand when you're in the poll position, it's a very dangerous position.
But I just need to give you a little intel announcement.
We're number one.
dan friesen
So this is a patently insane claim.
And there's no chance that Alex is even close to Tucker or Rogan's numbers.
InfoWars' channel on Rumble gets like 10 to 15,000 views for the streams that he does of his episodes.
And then there are a ton of repost channels that may have a few thousand views here and there.
So let's say like 30,000, maybe.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
The stupid Tucker interview he covered with Lee Strobel on our last episode has 218,000 views on Rumble.
Tucker does interviews with Putin and the president of Iran while Alex runs around giving himself a Hitler mustache to desperately try to pop a rating.
Meanwhile, Rogan is about to face a severe popularity crisis.
He's backed himself into a bit of a corner that he's going to have trouble getting out of just based on the last eight years of his career.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
But for now, he's still the number one podcast on Spotify.
And here are some of the recent episodes that he's done and how many views they have on YouTube.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Lionel Ritchie, 500,000.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
Hello.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is always fascinating whenever you recall that some of the most awful political things that have happened have happened on a guy who on a guy's show who's like interviewing Lionel Ritchie sometimes, but also interviewing fucking shitty comedians.
Like, it's just weird.
It's just weird.
dan friesen
Yeah, his show has that weirdness of like, I'm interested in hearing Lionel Ritchie talk about like the dancing on the ceiling video.
But then also, yeah, we've got crazy idiot liar Matt Walsh interviewed.
jordan holmes
Yeah, didn't he have Stefan Molyneux on?
dan friesen
Well, until it wasn't viable.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right, right.
He had Stephon Molyneux until we've decided that he didn't have Stefan Mollyu.
dan friesen
Yeah, like with Milo.
Right.
You know, yeah, he had all those people until he could.
jordan holmes
Right.
Until you couldn't have all of them.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex's old buddy Charlie Sheen was recently on Rogan.
jordan holmes
Well, he's got a new documentary out.
dan friesen
4.9 million views.
jordan holmes
People like that guy.
dan friesen
And Carrot Top.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He was on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Ominously got 666,000 views.
It's a sign.
jordan holmes
That is something.
If it wasn't Carrot Top, it wouldn't be as big of a deal.
But it's Carrot Top and 666, so you never know.
dan friesen
The amount of views is a prop that he's using to make a joke about God.
jordan holmes
The devil would.
dan friesen
You'd have to be insane to believe that Alex is number one of anything, but you'd kind of have to be that checked out of reality to believe any of the shit he's saying.
So there's no downside for him to gaslight the audience like this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
unidentified
It is.
jordan holmes
It is.
We're, I feel, borderline, like last days of a narco dictatorship.
Kind of.
The king is in the castle just being like, we're going to be rich forever.
There's no problems.
There's no military outside.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Except he's also screaming, there is the military outside.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
They're ghosts.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
They work for Satan.
jordan holmes
They are ghosts that work for Satan.
dan friesen
And I'm the best.
jordan holmes
And I am the best, yeah.
dan friesen
It is very strange.
Like, I can't imagine.
I was thinking about this, that there's like no casual viewers of InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
If you watch that and you can nod along with him, then you're so deep.
You have no idea how deep you are.
You may think there's a casualness to it.
Yeah.
But you are, you are gone.
In a way that I think there were casual viewers of him, you know, in the teens.
jordan holmes
I think you yourself kind of had a sense of casuality to your viewing him.
dan friesen
Yeah, back in the early 2000s.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
There was like, hey, let's pop this in and see what this guy's talking about.
jordan holmes
This crazy nut job be funny.
dan friesen
Right.
Now there's like the Vance Bolter guy who shot the people in Minnesota.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like his roommate is saying, you know, he kind of liked InfoWars a little bit.
No, that's what you think.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That's probably what he thinks.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He was in deep.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Only people who could possibly be left are in deep.
Yeah.
And so that's a smaller audience.
jordan holmes
I'm, you know, I like to listen to, you know, I don't know, six hours a day of InfoWars, but also I'm big into Jimmy Fallon.
I like the tonight show.
You know, those two things, they go great together.
dan friesen
I'm normal and I like things that are normal, but also I know who Harrison Smith is.
jordan holmes
Of course.
Absolutely.
dan friesen
And think positively of him.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Cool.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's some issues with the world, and one of them is Venezuela.
Sure.
Trump is probably going to go to war with them.
jordan holmes
Why not?
dan friesen
And that's cool.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
This is big boy pants stuff, okay?
And so I have all this massive news.
Trump announcing basically the invasion of Venezuela, which I told you months and months ago.
People said I was crazy.
He's blown up these boats, and then he's going to start hitting airfields and bases.
And then when the Venezuelans shoot back, the Marines are going in.
I mean, by the way, the Venezuelans know it.
Can we pull up the 400-pound Venezuelan communist militia?
So that place is going to fold like a house of cards in a high wind or in a tornado.
And I've never been for offensive invasions.
I'm not supported any wars Vietnam are on.
But they are killing millions of us with the fentanyl, and they are the Democrat Party's piggy bank.
I mean, they're wetted at the hip.
And I can tell you that Thomas Jefferson would invade Venezuela.
dan friesen
So since we last spoke, Trump has continued to sink Venezuelan boats that he claims are cartel smuggling ships in clear violation of international law.
jordan holmes
Naturally.
dan friesen
I'm not certain what Thomas Jefferson would say about going to war with Venezuela in 2025, but I'm sure of one thing.
If he were alive now, he would insist that going to war is something that can only be done by an act of Congress.
He was super against the executive branch controlling the power to go to war.
And on that basis alone, I think he wouldn't be into what Trump is doing.
Nor would Alex in his early career.
jordan holmes
They were.
Now, hey, listen, a lot of faults from those guys.
I admit that.
But they were pretty anti-king on the whole on account of trying to kill that king.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So Alex, I think, is describing also like a false flag to justify the beginning of a war.
He's saying Trump is bombing these things and waiting for Venezuela to attack back so he can send in the Marines.
I don't understand how this is any different than any of his conspiracies that have explained how wars start.
He's just in favor of it now.
jordan holmes
I want, now I want like an escalating, what would I describe it, like an escalating cooking machine, you know, for like we just give him a what-if scenario, like, okay, what if this?
What if this?
And listen to him talk himself into it until eventually we get to like, well, I mean, you know what?
What if we killed 50% of all the white people with a race-specific bioweapon?
dan friesen
Hmm.
It would be bad.
jordan holmes
Would it be bad?
I'm going to do it, so don't you want to convince yourself that it's a good idea?
dan friesen
But if it kills 50% of the white people, that's a lot less white people.
jordan holmes
That is a lot less white people.
dan friesen
But I bet those white people would be a lot stronger.
jordan holmes
There you go.
Got to do it.
dan friesen
I find him to be a clown.
Yep.
Even based on, you know, the standards that I try to approach him with are like within his scheme.
Sure.
Like, I don't look, I don't totally look at it as like all of this is fucking stupid.
Right.
Because there would be no show then.
Like, I can't at this point.
We're 10 years in or whatever.
I could do that at the beginning and like be a little more clinical and academic about my like what he's saying, but I can't now.
You have to just assume that certain things from his beliefs are true and judge him based on that.
And if you do that, he's a clown.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Anyway, war is good.
jordan holmes
I don't think so.
I'm still against it.
dan friesen
No?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But what about what Thomas Jefferson did with the Barbary Coasts?
jordan holmes
I hadn't considered that.
dan friesen
Well, maybe you should.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Thomas Jefferson would invade Venezuela.
So that's what he did when the Middle East and the Barbary states were taking over our ships and enslaving our people and killing thousands of our sailors every year.
He said, we're not paying a ransom to you.
Here come the Marines.
It took two years to beat them, but they beat them.
That was the first Barbary War.
dan friesen
So Alex mentions that Jefferson was involved in the first Barbary War, which should tell you that whatever path he took didn't solve the underlying problem that led to that war.
He bombed some Mediterranean states, but the same trade routes became a liability years later in the War of 1812 and then the ensuing Second Barbary War.
Sure.
I don't think that this is relevant, quite frankly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you know, I would never be proud of fighting The Last War of All Time 2.
You know what I'm saying?
That one we probably fucked up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
When you're fighting a sequel, it sucks.
jordan holmes
It's never good.
Sequels are just not as good.
I mean, we're not talking about the Empire Strikes Back of Barbary Coast Wars.
Ah, okay.
dan friesen
Hear me out.
If you're fighting a sequel, it kind of sucks.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But who it really sucks for is the people who fought the first one.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they shouldn't have.
dan friesen
They didn't do it.
jordan holmes
They kind of wasted their time, to be honest.
They screwed up.
Everybody should have started all the way back over.
Yeah.
That'll happen.
dan friesen
So Thomas Jefferson screwed that up.
Is what I'm saying?
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think that's right.
dan friesen
So there's other, you know, like Alex has this bankruptcy news that's going on.
Sure.
But there's other internal news at Infowars that seems to have Alex's primary attention.
alex jones
Okay.
This story about InfoWars and what's happening right now is illustrative of everything else that's going on.
And so here it is.
A day and a half ago, Big Lee, our sponsor that owns the Alex Jones Network that's been built and set up in case they shut down InfoWars.
They also fund InfoWars and their sponsor here.
They, like a month ago, said, hey, we're building an app for your show, an audio feed, a video feed.
And they go there.
It's the store and it's got discounts for anybody that uses the app 20% off right off the top and on top of everything else.
And I'm like, okay, great.
Well, they launched the app Wednesday in the afternoon.
jordan holmes
How did it go?
alex jones
It shoots to number nine about like seven o'clock at night.
Chase Geiser calls me.
I go, oh, that's great.
Well, let's have no tomorrow about it.
Then it hits number six yesterday while he's on the show.
It went to number two in the world this morning, and that's where it is only behind X. The number two Apple, we haven't even launched Droid yet.
The number two Apple app for news, period, is now AlexShoneshab.com.
And, you know, it's good we have a URL to send you right to the subpage because Chase was being kind.
He said, oh, there's a propagation problem, but we checked, had coders checked.
We checked new apps.
Other people launched, instantly available.
It's just like an X search system.
Same thing on Apple.
They are blocking anybody that puts in the exact name of the app, AJN Live, Alex Shows Network Live.
And it makes you scroll through dozens of pages.
dan friesen
I don't know if that's true, but like if you go, like I went to the app store and it auto-generated, I typed in AJ and it put in, do you mean AGN app?
jordan holmes
Great.
So everybody's working great.
dan friesen
So I think this is a lie about shadow banning or whatever the fuck.
jordan holmes
Of course, the shadow ban.
dan friesen
So charts are algorithmically designed to over-reflect increased interest in a thing, which is why literally every comedian you've ever met can say they had an album that was number one on iTunes.
jordan holmes
I said it a lot.
dan friesen
If you have any size audience and you funnel them towards one thing, you can usually manipulate some statistics around it that'll give you a little feather you can wear in your cap.
All that being said, I went to the app store to check out the AJN app, and I was shocked to learn that the owner of the app is Chase Geyser.
When I checked, it was number six in the news section, just behind next door and above three different police scanner apps.
The news section isn't really what Alex should be in.
In an ideal world, InfoWars would fit in the newspapers and magazines section.
And ironically, if you'd listed his app in that section, he would be number one.
They would have like he was above all those people.
unidentified
Of course.
dan friesen
Which is a better fit than news.
alex jones
Right.
dan friesen
The initial burst of users onto an app is going to artificially inflate its popularity.
And over time, it'll creep down the lists.
And a big part of the reason is that this app sucks.
It's mostly a customer conversion tool built not to provide news or anything of use to the user, but instead meant to give them a convenient way to buy from Bigley and a way to spam people with targeted ads and deals.
If you look at the about page for this app, it becomes clear that this isn't even about Alex's show or content.
It's a sales platform.
All of the listed key features of the app involve sales.
And how if you have a membership on the app, you get added to sweepstakes like Alex giving away cars.
Desperately trying to push something like this and overhyping its popularity is exactly what you'd expect Alex to be doing right now.
The only thing that could really screw him over is if his customers don't migrate to the new platforms he can legally profit from.
So the biggest push has to be getting everyone on this app right now.
And the ways that you go about it are pretending that the man wants to stop you from doing it and pretending that it's the most popular thing in the world.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Basically, this is stupid and Alex is full of shit, but tactically, it's exactly what he should be doing right now.
So I don't know.
I'm not too surprised.
jordan holmes
I imagine, I'm wondering when we're going to get an Alex coin or something like that, an InfoWars coin or something.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I don't know about Bitcoins or like cryptocurrencies, but he's literally sold coins.
jordan holmes
No, for sure.
But I mean, that's what I'm saying.
I'm saying a crypto, like a real, way too late to the game crypto coin.
Like he's going to, like he's doing NFTs.
Do you know what I mean?
Like he's going to start with NFTs any moment now.
dan friesen
Well, I think there's two things I would say about that.
One, I think he realizes that he's missed the boat in terms of like being able to make massive amounts of money.
Like Max Kaiser was at the right time.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
Alex is not.
jordan holmes
Wild to think of that guy.
dan friesen
And I think the second thing he realizes is there's a lot of people who take that shit very seriously.
And if you rug pull people and you're someone like Alex, it could ruin your career.
jordan holmes
You're catchable.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
There are a lot of people who are uncatchable.
dan friesen
They took down Hawktoa Girl over this.
Like, you think Alex is going to escape it?
No.
jordan holmes
Can't do it.
dan friesen
Everyone loved Hawktua Girl.
jordan holmes
And she did the coin, didn't she?
Man, people are crazy.
dan friesen
Hawk coin was the thing that ruined her.
jordan holmes
Why wouldn't you just sell a meme coin?
It makes perfect sense if you're crazy.
dan friesen
If you just want to smash and grab and you're in that position, then it's a good thing to do.
But Alex would have to know that he would get busted pulling the rug.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that a lot of people would not forgive him for that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a fake your death and get the money thing.
dan friesen
100%.
If he wanted, I think that I would almost take it as a sign of like, oh, he's getting ready to get it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, he's going to die.
Yeah, he's faking his death.
He's putting it.
dan friesen
He starts at InfoCoin.
jordan holmes
He's trying to get a million dollars immediately, and then we'll never see him again.
I think this man's going to fake his own death.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think he knows that there's actual consequences there, reputationally.
Two audiences that he needs to stay on the good side of.
And so I think he would be against it.
jordan holmes
Here's what I'm thinking.
Here's how Alex does it.
Here's how he finally, here's how his legacy is cemented and intact despite his latter-day disgusting behavior.
Go out like D.B. Cooper.
Jump out of the plane, never be seen again.
That's what you got to do.
Then you become legend.
dan friesen
I think it's too late.
I think that I think he's already done too much damage.
There's too much.
jordan holmes
He's done DB Cooper damage?
dan friesen
There's too much content that ruins his mythology if he just disappears.
If he disappeared after January 6th or something like that, then yeah, he'll live on as a mysterious figure.
But now it's just kind of like, eh.
jordan holmes
Yeah, in a way, really, the only thing...
Here's what we're great for, right?
He can't burn these tapes.
dan friesen
Not really.
jordan holmes
You know, It's whether he likes it or not, whether he can scrub his own bullshit from the internet or not.
We're fucking here.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, great.
jordan holmes
Good luck.
dan friesen
DB.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So, Soros, he's got Antifa judges.
Sure.
Right.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And this is a big problem because it means that if you're like someone who's not white, you can just do crimes.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
alex jones
And you talk about God and the way God works.
They had the hearing Wednesday at the federal court.
The judge Lopez, who's shot down 10 times in a row, all the criminal stuff they've done.
I mean, literal fake auctions, trying to raid us with the DOJ with no court order to shut us down.
I mean, remember all that last year?
It was so crazy.
We kept surviving.
A lot of people said, this can't be real because it doesn't sound real.
Believe me, it is.
And then now he said it's clear for the state court, the Guerrigamble, literal antifosoros lady with blue hair and antifa uniforms.
Look it up.
I mean, this is literally, this town's like the worst Soros run place in the country.
He's like, oh, New York's worst for Portland.
No, they've done studies.
Must have spent something like 50 million bucks trying to remove the Soros judges and DA because they're elected here.
It's been big fights here.
I mean, it's like commie land, folks.
If you're black or Hispanic, you can shoot and kill somebody, and you're out the next day, no bond, under Jose Garza.
So, I mean, when I say like, I mean, literal antifojudge, literal blue hair, antifa uniform, black outfits, blue hair.
She doesn't have blue hair now, but that imagine having a Soros antifojudge.
dan friesen
Imagine it.
So she's got blue hair, but she doesn't have blue hair right now.
jordan holmes
Well, not right now.
dan friesen
Now, she's got Antifa uniform.
Sure.
And by that, I mean she wears black.
She's also a judge.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
They always wear black.
jordan holmes
They have a very set costume.
dan friesen
It seems like Antifa to me.
jordan holmes
Here's what I like about complaining is that sometimes you complain about something and you don't realize what you're actually saying.
So for instance, saying like, Elon Musk has tried to spend millions of dollars getting these people out of here.
What you're actually saying is that I want Elon Musk to buy the government for me.
Right.
That's not good.
dan friesen
No, but he's about free speech.
Right.
And yeah, he's.
Yep.
jordan holmes
I want Elon Musk to buy judges.
That way they'll be fair.
dan friesen
Right.
Unlike the Soros judges.
jordan holmes
Who are elected by people.
dan friesen
I want Musk judges.
jordan holmes
Right.
Who he bought specifically.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Because he loves free speech.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
This all makes sense.
jordan holmes
I mean, it tracks.
dan friesen
Sure.
So Alex is like, oh, fuck.
Shit's looking bad.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
The bankruptcy.
Judge Lopez.
I've already said that I like him because he's stalled a ton.
jordan holmes
Way too much.
dan friesen
So I can't demonize him now.
jordan holmes
Too late.
dan friesen
So this sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Thank God that app came out that Chase owns and is going real well.
Now, I also have to thank God for the foresight to make this other URL that will redirect people to it because they're trying to shadow banners.
jordan holmes
Of course.
dan friesen
And that's like, you know, that's the product of years in the info war.
Or maybe race memory.
unidentified
Could be.
dan friesen
Who knows?
alex jones
Thinking back when they told me a few months ago, hey, we're building this app.
I remember saying, create a URL that takes you right to it.
And I didn't even tell them why.
So that's knowledge.
In fact, when I even give these orders, I don't even think why I'm giving it.
I just go, create a URL that goes directly to this thing and get it because I just already have the knowledge.
I don't even think, why do I think that?
I can sit down and go, why do I think that?
Oh, they censored that.
But see, that's when you get wisdom of decades of frontline, 18-hour a day combat with these people.
You just, as a commander in an operation, you just know the right move instantly.
People go, how does he know that?
This is famous in history and war and everything.
How does he make the decision so fast?
Because you've already been under it over and over and over and over and over.
And you've been attacked so much that it's instinctive when you resist.
It's like military police are trained to just shoot and shoot and train and train and train and train.
And then instinctively, somebody pulls a gun, points it at you, you don't even think, boom, they're dead.
And then the police survive.
The problem with that is a kid's out with a BB gun, looks like a real gun, pulls it out, cops don't know, boom.
But that's what instinctive action is about.
When Trump said in one of his books, Are we just moving on?
The deepest thing I ever learned was to be shallow.
People said, that would a dumb comment.
No, that's not true.
All your instincts, all your life, all your experience, all your genetics, the spirit, everything is who you are.
And then that first approximation, that first gut level thing, is really always right.
Now, you may misinterpret what the gut's telling you.
The gut's really, your brain's up here when it really thinks.
It goes, ooh, don't do that.
Or, oh, do that.
You know, I know when something's right and I'm on the target, I get chills.
When I'm really saying something that's absolute zygote, I mean, I'm not even thinking about it.
I got short saying it.
I go, ooh, chills.
When something's bad, all of a sudden, somebody goes, and it's just like in War of the Rings, the archetype of the sword sting.
When the goblins are near or the orcs, it glows blue.
It's the spidey sense, ladies and gentlemen.
It's everything that made us through the future.
Five points was passed on to us.
How does a butterfly know how to fly from central Canada all the way to Mexico and lay its eggs?
You ever think about that?
What's the programming?
What's the computer chip?
It's genetic memory.
dan friesen
So it's interesting how in that clip, Alex is arguing for both nature and nurture in a very confusing way.
The example of him knowing to create a URL for the app and the example of the cop shooting someone, those are trained behaviors.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're the product of years of experience leading to you being able to make split-second decisions.
And with the cop example, Alex has clearly illustrated that listening to this instinct blindly can sometimes lead you to killing a kid.
I guess for him, that's just the cost of living and doing business.
jordan holmes
I mean, that he didn't even address it, really.
He's just like, hey, you know, sometimes the other hand of this is you murder children.
Anyways.
dan friesen
Then he launches into a rant about how all this is what's in the gut.
And the deepest thing you can do is to be shallow.
You have to give in to that voice that's in the gut because it's always right.
So now this is a race memory thing.
And we don't really need to have all that experience that Alex or these cops have.
There seems to be no reason for Alex to have bragged about how much time he spent on the front lines because he should have that anyway.
jordan holmes
Also, does that mean that the gut wanted to kill that kid?
dan friesen
Well, see, this is an interesting point that you bring up.
And I think that's what a lot of people would point to in protest: that sometimes listening to your gut makes you shoot a kid with a toy gun, which maybe means that it's a bad idea to let that guide your actions.
Right.
But you see, the person just wasn't correctly interpreting what the gut was telling him.
jordan holmes
Wait.
dan friesen
If he understood the difference between the chills and the jolts that Alex is describing, then there's no way you would have shot that kid.
So we need to train.
I guess you do.
jordan holmes
But the training is what led us to accidentally killing.
dan friesen
This is the riddle.
It's fucking stupid.
So this is all just the same kind of shit that conservative pundits that Alex was supposed to be the alternative to said in the early 2000s.
They knew that in your brain, it was pretty impossible to justify the war in Iraq, so it had to become about the gut.
This is why Stephen Colbert's Colbert report joke about how you can't trust books because they're full of facts, and we all know that truth comes from the gut is an enduring piece of satire.
The movement that we're seeing now in power is the result of trying to create a version of conservatism that wasn't that.
Alex pretended everything was documented and in the white papers.
Ben Shapiro popularized the whole facts don't care about your feelings thing.
And people like Steven Crowder and Charlie Kirk popularized making curated content out of pretending to debate college kids.
Alex has always been the one out of all of them who clearly knows that his shit is nonsense.
So he's relied on appealing to the gut for a little while now.
But we're at a point where the conservative movement that they really have no choice but to play to feelings.
What's going on with the government and Trump's administration is so wildly corrupt and transparently dangerous that trying to go off anything other than vibes is a dead end and they know it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Doesn't it?
Listen, I know what you've read, but doesn't it feel like America's better?
Doesn't it feel like it's better?
I know what you've read.
No, no, no, no.
I know what you've read.
Don't even tell me about that stuff.
Describe everyone.
No, no, no, no.
Don't you feel better, though?
Like, when I wake up, I'm like, it just feels good to not have an old white man in the, I mean, a different old white man in office.
dan friesen
Right.
Yeah.
And like, you know, the military feds on the streets and stuff.
Like, doesn't it feel safer?
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, when I read the National Guard is here, I feel great because they've got something to do here, which is not intimidate people for no reason.
dan friesen
Right.
Vibes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's in the gut.
jordan holmes
It's in the gut.
dan friesen
You know this stuff.
jordan holmes
I feel it.
dan friesen
It's pathetic.
And this is a stupid argument that Alex is making that is internally inconsistent.
Yeah.
And is used to override people's critical thinking skills because if they apply those critical thinking skills, they cannot support the stuff that Alex is endorsing.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I think a rational person would say that, you know, there's a right balance between listening to your gut and not listening to your gut.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
These are things.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Instincts are valuable in a way as a source of information, and so is analysis.
Fuck you.
unidentified
It's great.
dan friesen
So anyway, a lot of this episode at the beginning is just about this app.
It's so much about how great the app is doing.
And thankfully, Alex was like, well, we've got to get to some other big news.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I want to get into Trump getting ready to go into Venezuela.
I want to get into the economy.
I want to get into Trump declaring the Democrats the party of Satan, which they are.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
That is a fundamentally very, very good thing to do.
I want to get into all this other insane news, the economy, the shutdown.
There is so much today and huge guests coming up, including Trump's main lawyer to expose the DOJ sabotage and who's up to it blocking Trump's agenda and going after the deep state.
That is all coming up.
But I wanted to bring the great Chase Geyser, who actually headed up and built the app.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So we're going to talk to Chase about the app.
jordan holmes
We're going to talk to Chase a little bit about the app.
A little bit more about the app.
dan friesen
So Trump's going to invade Venezuela.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
He's declared his political opposition of the devil.
jordan holmes
Of the devil.
dan friesen
And you're going to interview his lawyer about how oppressed he is.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's cool.
jordan holmes
But, but, I mean, that stuff seems important to you.
dan friesen
Compared to the app?
jordan holmes
Not compared to the app.
We got to talk to Chase about this.
dan friesen
We got to get those customers moved over to this app, or otherwise the money is going to dry up.
unidentified
Right?
jordan holmes
And think about it.
We need that money more than ever because that man is going to start a war with Venezuela.
Lord knows what's going to happen next.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Get these people to Bigley.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Shit's going to go crazy for the economy.
And I got a Bitcoin.
jordan holmes
Listen, I am going to need a million dollars in a fake my own death kit.
dan friesen
Probably soon.
And Chase probably could hook that up for him.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So Chase talks about some of the specifics about this app.
And I think he makes sense.
chase geiser
It's been absolutely incredible the last 48 hours.
We've got tens of thousands of users right now.
We're hoping to get into the hundreds of thousands number.
And like we were talking about yesterday, Alex, this is the messaging that we're sending out to everybody today from our email lists and from our text lists.
This is the most accurate poll of how the American people can show the new world order, the globalists, the leftists, whatever you want to call this evil, satanic, globalist child trafficking cabal, what the people are actually resonating with.
And the fact that we just soared within 24 hours with just an email and an SMS campaign to number two in the app stores is remarkable.
Pass the BBC, past Fox News.
We're in the top 200 of all apps right now, Alex.
Not just in the news category, passing apps like Uber, which is one of the most famous apps ever with one of the largest IPOs of all time.
I mean, famous apps that everybody uses or many people, millions of people use every single day.
And it's because people are flooding in.
dan friesen
This feels about right.
Like there are under 100,000 people who can be activated really quickly to download a free app, and that's about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think that's probably, and that, honestly, they shouldn't talk in specifics because these numbers are bad.
Yeah.
If you are under 100,000 downloads for this app in 48 hours, that's not what InfoWars presents itself to be.
That's fantastic if you're us.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's crazy good if you're us.
dan friesen
It would be better than we would probably be able to do it.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't dream of it.
dan friesen
But we're not Infowars.
We don't pretend to be the top English-speaking show in the world.
I have screamed.
Bigger than Rogan.
jordan holmes
I have screamed, I'm number one zero times.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Unless it was a bit, maybe.
jordan holmes
I don't think even is a bit.
dan friesen
I bet privately you have.
unidentified
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I've never been number one at anything before.
Do you know what's crazy?
I'm number 15.
I'm actually, you know what I was being?
dan friesen
Oh, shit.
jordan holmes
I'm number eight on the audio trip dance score for, I think I like it.
So pretty good.
I'm not still not number one, though.
dan friesen
I got into, I think, the top 10 in one of the karaoke songs in Yakuza Infinite Wealth.
Yeah.
I worked on that really hard.
jordan holmes
That's really easy.
dan friesen
I was trying to get to number one, but I never made it to number one.
jordan holmes
Number one's tough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So this is really sad that it's so clear that the audience doesn't see through what this is, which is a sales pitch.
The app Alex is launching isn't built to give them news or provide a service.
It's solely to just sell shit from Big Lee.
The existence of an app like that is fine, and there's tons of those in the world, but this framing is so manipulative and dishonest.
The globalists apparently aren't scared of Alex running his show freely and being able to create fake side businesses to shield himself from a bankruptcy, but they're so scared you're going to download the Big Lee sales app.
No, Chase truly is Alex's successor because he puts business first and lies about what he's doing in a way that a lot of these other people aren't unable to do.
jordan holmes
It's kind of, it was, what would I say?
It was Alexian.
The way he's like, it's bigger than Uber.
It's higher than Uber right now.
Like, you would have to be insane not to put together the way that that ranking works.
It does not mean that you now have more people using Bigley than Uber.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
That's not how it works.
dan friesen
Not even.
jordan holmes
There aren't enough decimal places to compare the two.
dan friesen
And you can't possibly imagine that you have anywhere near the staying power of an Uber because they provide a service.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
You provide a market page that sells a specific thing and people will use it as they use it.
jordan holmes
And you know what he's doing?
He's selling the shit out of it.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I think that there's another thing that's Alexinian.
jordan holmes
Alexian?
Yeah.
dan friesen
About this, and that is that he got off his ass and did something.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Like, can you imagine Harrison Smith being like, all right, Infowars is in trouble.
I'm going to go make an app to, I'm going to.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Chase was instrumental in getting Big Lee involved.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And like he's the fucking guy for Alex because he's making business work.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I think he's actually InfoWars now.
dan friesen
Yes.
I think he might be.
jordan holmes
He is the heart and soul of InfoWars.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He can't take over for Alex in terms of the skills of bullshitting and stuff like that.
He's nowhere near being able to be on camera like Alex.
But like, he's got his soul.
jordan holmes
Yep.
Yep.
He's got, he's, man.
Let's, I wonder where I wonder where Chase is going to be in 20 years.
dan friesen
This would be probably in jail.
jordan holmes
I mean, or just a regular.
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
Chase seems like he is available to go down any path.
dan friesen
Ones that lead to jail.
jordan holmes
Probably.
dan friesen
So, Chase, I think that there's one thing, though, you know, as much as I believe him to be Alex's successor.
Yeah.
There is, there's just some stuff that he's not polished on.
jordan holmes
He doesn't have the.
dan friesen
And I think Alex wants him to lie in this next clip, and he just won't go along with it.
alex jones
Very, very exciting.
Great job, Chase.
But I want to get that out.
Show it where it is overall in the rankings.
I haven't checked in a while.
Isn't X number one in the world, period, now?
chase geiser
I don't know.
I don't know that information off the top of my head.
I know it's number one in news.
I'm not sure if it's the number one overall app.
It looks like it is.
alex jones
Well, look here, free app section.
jordan holmes
Just say it is.
alex jones
We're actually on the front page of the top free app thing right now.
That's pretty exciting.
chase geiser
That looks like the news category to me.
Even though it says top freats, I bet the news category is selected in the top right.
alex jones
No, it's not the news category.
I want to just get the crew.
You know, they're great.
We're awesome.
Let's just, we always report everybody else.
Let's kind of get everybody focusing on this and get everybody looking at this because they also have their hot new category things.
But I'm going to move on from this now.
I'm going to move on from this now.
dan friesen
He doesn't.
So it's kind of fun that Chase doesn't seem to understand that whatever Alex said was going to be the truth.
He could try to correct him because it's embarrassing to just blindly go along with this, but it doesn't matter.
Twitter's the top app in the world, and Alex is on the top of the free app charts, man.
Fuck you.
It's not the news category.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Why are you pushing back?
dan friesen
Yeah.
I know your eyes see the news category thing, but that's not real.
jordan holmes
That's not the point of what we're doing now.
dan friesen
Yeah, it was the news category.
Chase was right.
jordan holmes
Of course it was.
dan friesen
And Twitter's not the top app in the world.
It's number 13 behind things like WhatsApp, TikTok, and the top app, ChatGPT.
Ironically, on the top apps chart, Twitter is behind Uber, the app that Chase is pretending that InfoWars beat, which mathematically doesn't make sense.
unidentified
Weird.
dan friesen
If they're below Twitter and Uber is above Twitter, then they're below Uber, but maybe they're above Uber.
Maybe they're above Uber in the news category.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
This is convoluted.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I would like an app where Chase will give me rides places.
jordan holmes
I think, man, if Chase just said reassuring things into the Big Lee app while people were shopping, I bet that would be fine.
I bet that would be a pretty successful thing to just have Chase be like, you know what?
I think it is a good idea for you to buy this.
dan friesen
That would be nice.
I also would enjoy it if there was just like Chase's big thoughts.
Like there's just a section of it where he can hit play, and he has something from his like morning pages or whatever, you know, like some idea he had that backwards is IA.
jordan holmes
IA is Iowa.
That means we've got to go to Iowa.
dan friesen
Trump's got to invade Iowa.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
It's the only answer.
jordan holmes
It's the way it works.
dan friesen
So speaking of invasions, Alex and Chase get around to talking about Trump going into Venezuela.
Sure.
And Chase's take on that is fucking dumb.
chase geiser
And I've seen the libertarian arguments that say things like, hey, this is crazy that we're bombing these ships without a fair trial, and it's crazy that we're going to escalate these conflicts in South America.
But there's a very key difference.
The key difference being that all these other conflicts that we've been in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, none of them have had anything directly to do with United States national security.
They've had to do with protecting U.S. interests in terms of the global reserve currency status or stopping the spread of communism, which is some vaguary that was used to justify Vietnam.
But with the cartel, with the South America thing, people need to realize that more people have illegally invaded the United States of America from Central and South America with drugs and weapons and gangs and violence and rape and murder and thievery than invaded Ukraine from Russia in the course of the last three years.
So we have actually been the victims of probably the largest invasion that has ever taken place, even going back to the sacking of Rome.
We, the United States of America, have been invaded.
So if we're ever going to use our military or our defense apparatus, it seems to me justified to use it against those very institutions that are actively sponsoring, participating in, and promoting an invasion of our country, a literal invasion.
alex jones
Well, exactly.
If Jefferson was Mr. Don't Be Involved in Entangling Stuff, and then he was the first to send our troops overseas because they were robbing our ships.
They were killing our people, literally white slaving and grabbing women and children and putting them into Islamic slavery.
And they just pay for the equivalent of like $20 million a year, just massive amounts of gold to stop doing it.
Everybody else was paying them.
And Thomas Jefferson said, screw that, send the Marines.
Took two years, and we kicked their ass and had to invade a bunch of Barbary coast bases and had to kill them.
chase geiser
And so 100%.
alex jones
I mean, that's what the military is for, is when you're actually attacked.
chase geiser
And look, we all know somebody had to go to rehab because of some fentanyl problem.
Somebody we love gets in a car accident for a short period of time.
They're prescribed painkillers.
And then six months later, they've lost their job and their marriage has fallen apart.
Maybe they're bankrupt because of this fentanyl.
I mean, we are literally being invaded and murdered to the tune of over 100,000 people via the form of overdoses.
And a lot of people like to blame China for it.
China's at fault, but they do it through Central America and through South America.
And so we're going to get involved in the military conflict.
alex jones
People think, oh, that's just some South American country.
It's got the most oil per capita place in the world.
It's communist.
The Democrats have a deal with it.
dan friesen
It's funny or fun, I guess, that they're just calling all opiates fentanyl now.
But I guess I don't know if this argument stands up to any kind of scrutiny.
For example, would Alex and Chase support using the military to take out the Sacklers?
Like, they are the largest contributor to the opiate epidemic that we've been dealing with for, you know, the last however long.
jordan holmes
Where are they from?
dan friesen
Iowa.
jordan holmes
Well, then I guess they're good.
dan friesen
Or, like, his mortal enemy.
Alex's mortal enemy, New York Attorney General Letitia James, was part of a bipartisan effort that resulted in the Sacklers having to pay almost $7.5 billion in restitution for their role in the opioid crisis.
So is that what the globalists wanted to have happen because Letitia James was involved with it?
Or not because they want to have everyone on opiates?
It's all very confusing.
jordan holmes
Well, okay.
Now, imagine how...
however instead Of all of these moving parts and governments and interested parties and conflicting points of view and say that one person is good and the other person is bad.
And Venezuela is bad.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So let's blow them up.
dan friesen
Sure.
These people are just racist and want war.
That's it.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't understand why.
Like, I understand why, you know.
But at a certain point, whenever you're yourself being like, well, they're not white and they're stealing from us because drugs.
unidentified
I mean, don't you hear yourself?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't know.
I think that it's in the gut.
jordan holmes
Like, if I found myself saying like, dare shit to a kid.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, that would be crazy to me.
That is, that is like a similar thing to what's going on here.
dan friesen
And yet, you know, on some level that the kid not using drugs is preferable to them using drugs.
It's safer.
jordan holmes
Sometimes.
dan friesen
Most of the time.
Most of the time.
I think if you're going to go statistically, it's probably safer.
Sure.
So is it wrong to steer them to the safer path by using dishonest means?
What if you believe that racial purity is preferable statistically to not racial purity?
Is it ethical to lie about what you're doing in order to lure people towards supporting ethnic purity?
jordan holmes
You know, I have been pretty famous during my career for saying that no, but now that you put it like that way, I guess I have to agree with you.
dan friesen
I think this is part of what Alex and Jace feel in the gut.
jordan holmes
Yeah, could be.
Could be the version of shooting a little kid that they're talking about.
dan friesen
Hey, man, it just happens.
jordan holmes
It just, it's part of the game.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, we got one last clip.
It's about a big old sale.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
This app is launching with a great sale.
jordan holmes
Of course it is.
dan friesen
It is the last stand super sale, baby.
chase geiser
Well, one of the reasons I love working with you, Alex, is because you're an absolute maniac and you just have to adopt a little bit of faith that it'll all play out.
And so when you reached out a couple of days ago, like I mentioned yesterday, said you wanted to do buy one, get one store-wide on all supplements, it was one of those moments where I was like, this is insane.
But because Alex Jones is saying we need to do it, I know that it's going to work because he's been doing this for 30 years.
And so we launched Buy One, Get One Free for all supplements across the entire site, except for the ones that are almost out of stock.
There's like two or three.
I think Colostrum just sold out, Alex.
This has been an absolutely insane deal, but we're calling it the last stand super sale.
But we have this subtext of remember the info war because what we're going through right now is so similar to what happened with the Alamo, where the Alamo was a loss, technically from a military standpoint, but because of that devastating loss in the context of their incredible bravery and brotherhood in that conflict, it was shouted, remember, remember the Alamo.
dan friesen
The story of the Alamo would have been so less historically impactful if Colonel Travis and his buddies just kept screaming about how they were under attack and Santa Ana just never came.
Like years go by and they keep selling everyone fake pills in order to save the Alamo and it just keeps going.
And in the meantime, Colonel Travis and all of his buddies have created a second fake Alamo for them to retreat to in case Santa Ana ever comes so they can hang out there and pretend that they're about to be attacked and use that to sell more fake pills.
The story only works because those dudes died.
Their death allows them to be used as symbols and everyone could forget what drunk losers they were in real life.
You can't be turned into a martyr unless you're willing to do your part in the story.
And that means that you have to die or go away.
chase geiser
Yeah.
dan friesen
And Alex refuses to do that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And honestly, this is part of the frustration that I feel on his behalf is that now it's too late.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He can't die Bill Cooper.
jordan holmes
Nope.
dan friesen
He will never have that end to his legacy that I think is ultimately what he needs.
He lusts after being Colonel Travis.
Yeah.
Except he will not let the Alamo go down.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, I mean, I rot.
Well, okay.
So here is the difference, right?
Travis, huge coward.
Handled for him by Santa Ana.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't have to, he's not going to make the decision to go sacrifice himself.
That guy was a piece of shit.
dan friesen
Yeah, he was running away from the consequences of his own life that led him there.
unidentified
Exactly.
dan friesen
And Santa Ana killed him.
jordan holmes
There was, if he could have run away from that, he would have.
He would have totally, and he would have been fine being like, oh, no, we were so brave.
I missed those guys.
They were great.
Anyways, I got to get out of here.
dan friesen
And I got to say that.
I got to say what's going on.
He probably would.
jordan holmes
He is.
dan friesen
But that story sucks.
And that's the story that Alex is living right now.
Yep.
The Alamo, like, is never going to go down.
Yeah.
Because it's already, you've already played this game for years.
And it's a boy who cried Colonel Travis in a way.
And he's never going to live that down.
jordan holmes
That first judgment could have been metaphorically the day.
It could have been a thing where it happened.
And then the law, the metaphorical Santa Ana, would have come down on him instantaneously.
dan friesen
He would have submitted to the judgment of the summary judgment where he has tried to do everything he can to avoid this going to court.
And they're just like, no, fuck it.
unidentified
Fuck you.
dan friesen
You lose by default.
If he would have just been like, okay, now you take all my things and I have taken on the punishment of the state that seeks to oppress me.
He could have maneuvered that and his legacy grow.
But now it's, I mean, he's just a dipshit trying to get attention and sell people pills and does a fucking Hitler mustache and hangs out with idiots and Chase Geyser probably owns his business.
Like, it's just sad.
jordan holmes
It's sad.
dan friesen
And the reason that I guess parts of the reasons that I'm disappointed by this are that, one, I like a good story.
Sure.
And I would love for him to have had his sort of ability to legend build.
Sure.
And as someone who's done a show about him forever, it would make me feel better if that was the story I could tell.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Of like, look at the, he went out riding over a sunset on a horse or something.
This is just sad, and it bums me out personally.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, just, it's a, it's a dud.
jordan holmes
You know, when you read a lot of history books now that aren't interested in myth-making or in just, like, you know, if you read a history book from pre-1940, you've got a lot of people with a lot of agendas all at the same time about who is good and who is bad and who's a hero and what happened, that kind of stuff.
Now everybody's kind of got a little bit of, let's tell the, let's see how true the real story is.
And that you can find out by finding out how stupid everybody was involved.
And it's almost always the same story of like the myth was some guy who was propped up by a lot of very competent people who didn't take credit in the same way that that guy did.
You know, like Alex is that guy.
He is propped up by so many people.
But he's the one who's loudest.
So he's the one who gets the myth around him, you know?
dan friesen
But he's also like to the extent that anyone, at least in the last like decade, has propped him up, he's not doing what they need him to do, which is go away.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's trying to continue to make money in his own avenues, trying to get everyone's attention by publicity stunts.
And like they need him to be Colonel Travis.
They need him to have gone down so they can wave InfoWars flag for themselves.
He's greedy and won't go away, so he can't be turned into the martyr.
Especially after Charlie Kirk got killed, he should recognize like that's what they want to do with me.
I'm resisting being the symbol.
Like if he died, Trump would probably go to his funeral.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like he's never going to go to an event of his in life.
No, but he couldn't use him after he's dead.
jordan holmes
Charlie Kirk died and was immediately replaced by the vision of Charlie Kirk they needed.
Alex can Alex can erase a lot by just dying.
dan friesen
But this is what I'm saying.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's too late now.
dan friesen
That's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I think it's too late.
I think he missed his window when anyone would have cared to try to use that.
And now, like, who cares?
You predicted 9-11, whatever.
Tucker got attacked by a demon.
Like, you're not special.
jordan holmes
If the government was going to kill you, they would have killed you by now.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, like, if it was going to be the heroic tale of good and evil that we were promised, the climax would have happened by now.
dan friesen
And to be clear, it's death or destruction of, like, he could have just disappeared into the world.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it doesn't matter if he's breathing or anything like that.
dan friesen
The metaphorical Alamo could have gone down and like it just didn't.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
There's no difference in this story between him dying and him just like moving to a small town in Iowa.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And the same thing.
The window of like, even if he had, like, some kind of stroke or like some kind of a suspicious natural causes type death for that to be interesting to anybody, I also think that window is kind of closed.
Yeah, I don't know.
There's a part of me that really feels, and it's obviously not like post-Hitler mustache.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Although that's quite a visual thing to happen, you know, I think that the rest of his career is there's nothing he can do.
Like, what can he do to be interesting other than maybe like actually become a terrorist?
jordan holmes
That could be interesting.
Here's what you do You Fake your No I mean I guess you have to actually die But whatever you do, the only way you die is Novichuk, right?
You get the Putin poison, and then everybody's going to have to ask questions for the rest of their lives.
dan friesen
Well, Roger tried to fake that, and that didn't polonium, though.
Right.
jordan holmes
Not Novichuk.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
That's the stuff that gets you.
dan friesen
But then, who, like, what is it?
The government did it?
Did Trump do it?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
I guess if you died some, like, really, really, really crazy, mysterious way, then maybe we're interested again.
But this is just, it's just, he's got to feel bad.
jordan holmes
You know, the more I think about it, the more I think having your own specific signature poison death kind of opens you up for a framing, for a frame job, I would say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
The perfect crime.
jordan holmes
You already.
There's only one guy who kills people like this.
It's got to be him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So anyway, I mean, I'm not sitting here saying like, fuck, we're not going to talk about Alex or anything like that.
But, you know, on some level, I do feel like it's not right now.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's not like the roller coaster just peaked or anything.
But I think it's pretty undeniable that we're in falling action.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he's.
jordan holmes
We are barreling towards the denouement, if you will.
unidentified
But it's going to be such a bad denouement.
jordan holmes
It's going to be a dud.
dan friesen
It's going to be that not enough people downloaded the app.
Like it's going to be something like that instead of him like on the rooftop screaming Liberty.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's going to be we need to lower our overhead again.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Bruce.
Chase fires Alex.
That's what's going to end up happening.
jordan holmes
God, that'd be what a performance review that would be.
dan friesen
Yeah.
That's what that's the vibe I think we're heading towards.
But anyway, we'll be back and we'll check in, see how this dumb dick is doing.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Yeah, and now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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