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Aug. 27, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1070: August 12, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan pop in to discuss the underwhelming response Alex has to Trump sending the National Guard into DC, and how he has far less of a problem with this than the Epstein cover-up.

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alex jones
08:03
d
dan friesen
27:56
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jordan holmes
14:51
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
I have great respect for knowledge fight.
Knowledge fight.
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.
Shang me are the bad guys.
Knowledge fight.
unidentified
Dan and Jordan.
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
I need money.
Andy and Pamzer.
Andy and Pandy.
Andy and Pam.
Andy in Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for watching.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm a fish and color like you're saying.
alex jones
I love your room.
unidentified
Knowledge fight.
alex jones
Knowledgefight.com.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the Altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed, we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, I would like to say for my bright spot, I'd like to open with a poem.
Okay.
alex jones
All right.
dan friesen
And I'd like for you to try to guess who I'm reading the work of.
Okay.
I'm the professor, and all I can tell you is while you're still sleeping, the saints are still weeping.
Because things that you call dead have yet, haven't yet had the chance to be born.
jordan holmes
Don't know.
dan friesen
Isn't that heavy, though?
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
You know, you're sleeping, the saints are weeping.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Because things that you call dead haven't had a chance to be born.
jordan holmes
Is this Doctor Who?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Scatman.
Because of our conversation of the last episode of.
jordan holmes
I've recently gotten a tattoo?
dan friesen
No.
It was pretty close.
Because of our conversation on the last episode, I went back and I was listening to Scatman.
And that's a lyric in Scatman.
Yeah.
Just his big hit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The part I cut out was the line right before that is: I hear you all ask about the meaning of scat.
Well, I'm the professor, and all I can tell you is while you're still sleeping, the saints are still weeping.
Because things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born.
I'm the scat man.
jordan holmes
Is he talking about scat?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is scat something that hasn't that you think is dead, but hasn't really been born yet?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is that what we're doing?
dan friesen
It's so much more philosophical than it has any business being.
jordan holmes
I think that might, yeah, I think that's that.
To me, that's my reading of it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
My interpretation that.
dan friesen
So anyway, I fell down a deep hole of watching Scatman's video.
jordan holmes
You've held down a scat hole, if you will.
dan friesen
And I don't know if I had ever seen this video before.
I might have and just forgot.
But even if I had, it delighted me so much.
So Scatman was huge in Japan.
Right.
His career really took off huge over there.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So there's a video on YouTube of a Japanese show where there's a guy doing a Scatman impression.
unidentified
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
And he's doing like karaoke of Scatman.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then the Scatman comes out.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
The place goes crazy.
I mean, we're talking like 1998 Stone Cold Steve Austin pop.
Like, they lose their shit.
They're so excited to see the Scatman.
jordan holmes
I love.
Here's what I love about that.
I don't think if the Scatman walked out, I would be able to tell who it was.
dan friesen
Yeah, you would.
jordan holmes
And they were all instantly like, that is the Scatman.
dan friesen
The hat and the mustache.
You'd not be.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, there is the hat and the mustache.
dan friesen
And he's going skibbing, right?
jordan holmes
But I mean, I wouldn't know if that was for sure the Scatman.
It could have been a Scatman.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think at that time and place, that was the pretty sure about it.
But what I was, what I, what I was refeeling all over again was this pure delight.
Like, there is something that is so happy about seeing this.
Everyone's so happy to see him when he comes out, and then he's going skip it over, baby, and like, I don't think that scat singing is dumb.
Sure.
And I don't think that it's not an art form and a jazzy kind of thing.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But I also think it's very funny.
jordan holmes
It is.
Without question.
It's very funny.
To have a little chunk like that right before and after.
Skiba dipped it up.
Skibba dippity.
What's this weeding?
Yeah, that's.
dan friesen
The saints are still weeping.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that one's a little bit tough to just juxtapose.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's got some heavy fucking lyrics and then skip it up.
I love it.
I have rediscovered what it was about him that I loved.
Just a pure delight.
jordan holmes
What we need is for, do you remember the Gray album?
Here's what we need.
We need Danger Mouse to get on it and have Scatman do disintegration by the cure.
Match the two of those up.
dan friesen
I'm into it.
jordan holmes
Now we're talking.
dan friesen
I also watched an interview with him where it was with MTV Europe or something.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's just like clearly in a place where it's like, why the fuck am I talking to MTV?
Why do they want to talk to the Scatman?
jordan holmes
Agreed.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I never thought I'd be famous.
jordan holmes
I mean, for what he did, for what he makes that he is world famous is absolutely absurd.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
And he explained that what he does is you turn your voice into a musical instrument.
alex jones
Right.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
dan friesen
You're like doing a jazz solo, but with your mouth.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
No, if you stop and you go like, but Weird Al is a global superstar.
It does seem to confuse you just a little bit.
He's great.
He's great.
Fantastic.
Global superstar seems maybe a little bit high.
dan friesen
I think that there's something that's even more funny about the Scatman.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, I still must insist I'm not joking about liking him.
I think he's great and an inspiration to people with speech impediments.
And he's seems like a fine human being.
But it is funny.
It's a funny style of music.
jordan holmes
What you going to do?
dan friesen
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is if you recall, remember how my dry weed vaporizer busted?
And then they sent me a new one?
Well, the company came out with a new version, all technologically advanced.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
All that kind of stuff.
And as I saw that, I was like, this is what, like, I had this brief moment of this is what capitalism is about, right?
I bought a thing.
It worked.
Awesome.
The company took care of me.
Great.
They come out with a new thing.
I go, you know what?
I'm already ahead.
I like you guys.
Went and bought it.
That simple.
That's like the high of capitalism.
dan friesen
Well, that's kind of, and as a consumer experience, it's like you're being kind of fucked, but also you're like, all right, but good enough.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You and I, we've got a thing going on.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is about as good as, you know, we're going to get as a cut.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
We're entering into a business relationship that I feel like, you know what, we're both fine.
You know, that kind of thing.
That does not happen very often anymore.
dan friesen
No, not really.
jordan holmes
No.
Feels very one-sided most of the time.
dan friesen
Unique to the weed business.
jordan holmes
I don't know what it is, but man, this was like the first time I've been like, I'm already ahead.
This is a luxury purchase.
And it was great.
dan friesen
So what are the new features?
jordan holmes
It's got different heating temperatures, and the thing is on the side instead of the bottom, and it can hold more, you know, whatever.
It's the same thing, but better.
dan friesen
Heating temperature, it just sounds like wine snobbery of a lot of people.
jordan holmes
No, exactly.
It's the same thing, but probably a little bit better.
The point is not that the thing is so much better, I had to buy it.
The point is they earned it.
dan friesen
Good for them.
jordan holmes
Good for them.
dan friesen
Your bright spot has made me think of two things.
One is that I should just go ahead and get a Scatman tattoo.
But then the second is that I should start smoking weed again just so I could only talk in scat whenever I smoke.
So if I get high, you'll know because I'll just be only saying, okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
All right.
I accept this.
I accept this new you.
If this is the direction that you want to go down, I don't know if our professional relationship will last too much longer.
dan friesen
Well, I don't think we ever get high before the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay.
Okay, good.
dan friesen
I can't host this as Beaker.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
But I can live as Beaker.
jordan holmes
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
dan friesen
So today we got a little episode to go over and just talk about a little bit of something.
Okay.
And that is August 12th, 2025.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
As Alex's continuation of justifying the police state that Trump is unleashing in D.C. continues.
But things take a bit of a departure on the 13th because that's the day that Alex's court case, the court decides that they can liquidate Infowars.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
There's another federal occupation brewing, if you will.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But state court.
jordan holmes
State God.
unidentified
Yeah, whatever.
jordan holmes
Whatever you like.
dan friesen
So there's a little bit of a pivot that happens, which we'll discuss that breaking on the next episode.
Sure.
But for now, I just wanted to dwell a little bit in the space before that becomes an influence.
And Alex is still just responding to Trump's actions in D.C. So we'll get down to this little mini-sode.
But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Roses are red.
Alex is a drunk.
Thank you so much.
You're now Polish Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And congratulations to the second annual winner of the Knowledge Fight Fantasy Football League, Sex Robots.
Thank you so much.
You're now Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And give five more examples.
Thank you so much.
You're now policywonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
So thank you so much to Noel.
If Dan pronounces Gruink correctly, you win bingo.
I hope this Technocrat shout out gets you higher than the hemline of some hoochy daddy shorts.
I wish everyone could have a boss as cool as you.
Hold fast.
Summer is about as dead as the woke mind virus.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
alex jones
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb.
Jarjar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
I'm sure I'm wrong.
Do you know how to pronounce that?
unidentified
Nope.
jordan holmes
No clue.
dan friesen
G-R-E-W-I-N-G-K.
Probably like Peter or something.
jordan holmes
Oh, I read it and I, I don't know, you know, I was just thinking as you read that one.
I was like, I wonder if I wonder if I ever read the exact middle four or five words.
Because if you were trying to sneak something in and you put it in the exact middle of a block of text and there's about four or five words, you probably get away with it.
Because I remember that.
dan friesen
Don't tell people that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Never mind.
dan friesen
I'm going to try and sneak all kinds of crazy shooters.
unidentified
Never mind.
jordan holmes
I read it all very, very specifically.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I cold read.
So we're going to start here on the 12th.
And Alex has been getting a little bit of feedback about his show on the 11th, where he was very into what Trump is doing.
jordan holmes
Pro-police state.
dan friesen
Yeah, because people are like, hey, man, you can't do that.
jordan holmes
That's your big guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I've had a lot of talk show hosts reach out to me.
I've seen a lot of clips of other talk show hosts attacking me and saying Alex Jones was Mr. Anti-Police State.
Alex Jones was the one always talking about the military being deployed in the future and how there was this big menace in all the films I made and books I wrote on it.
And then suddenly he's supporting what ICE is doing and he's supporting the deployment of the National Guard to D.C. and Chicago if needed.
Why, he's betrayed his values.
I have done no such thing.
dan friesen
I completely understand why Alex would say this.
The alternative is accepting the criticism that he's entirely abandoned and betrayed the only thing his career was supposed to be based on.
And that is a hard pill to swallow.
As it stands, Alex has three paths in front of him, depending on how he wants to respond to Trump's very clear police state moves.
The first is to say that Trump is doing all the shitty claim the globalists were going to do and that he's the villain this story was building up to all along.
Alex isn't interested in doing that, so I'm going to ignore that path for now, which leaves us with two.
That means he gets to choose between one, accepting that his position has changed on what the police state means and explaining to the audience how it's okay for Trump to do all this stuff that was so evil for other people to do.
Or two, gaslight the audience into thinking this isn't what he meant by the words police state.
I've listened to thousands of hours of Alex talk, and let me make it as clear as possible.
Alex has betrayed his principles.
And when you reflect on that a little bit, it becomes clear that these weren't principles to begin with.
They were branding elements.
I know that it's easy to just say this, but in order to illustrate what I meant, I want to go back to Alex's film, Police State 2000 and see what he said then.
What was the fear then?
Back when he was taking the time to produce a coherent message about the horrors that were to come, and what can we learn by comparing that to now?
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
So I would like to transport you back in time to the beginning of Alex's documentary, Police Day 2000.
jordan holmes
Does he have to edit in?
Does he have to make new special edition versions where he edits in a little chunk where it's like, unless Trump does this or DZ?
dan friesen
He should.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That'd be fine.
dan friesen
He should talk to George Lucas about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Put a little, yeah.
dan friesen
So here is where we're at at the beginning of that documentary.
alex jones
In the next two hours, you will see hardcore documentation, evidence that is irrefutable that America is turning into a nightmarish police state.
Cameras on the street corners, mass checkpoints on our major interstate highways, warrantless searches.
But worst of all, you'll see America's military being perverted, being turned into an instrument of control, not an instrument of defense.
dan friesen
So in that introduction, Alex presented four main things that represented the United States being put into a nightmarish police state.
Cameras on street corners, checkpoints on the highway, warrantless searches, and the military being used for domestic control instead of defense.
Obviously, all of those things are currently happening, and Trump is accelerating them.
Wow.
D.C. has a network of 28,000 public and privately owned cameras that feed into a master feed at their real-time crime center, something that's under the control of the Metropolitan Police Department.
It was launched last April, and now Trump has taken over the MPD and has the ability to abuse the surveillance tool, which includes drones, license plate readers, and all kinds of stuff far beyond cameras on street corners.
jordan holmes
That's the fucking plot of the Dark Knight.
What is happening?
dan friesen
Well, it's part of the plot of the Dark Knight.
Or Batman begins.
jordan holmes
Even in the movie, they're like, hey, seriously, this cannot exist.
I know you think it's important now, but Rek, really, we got to burn this shit to the ground.
dan friesen
Yeah, and look, I'm not here to say that Trump is fully responsible for the creation of this tool or whatever, but he has now taken control of it.
And you'd be a fool to think that it isn't being used.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's the joker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in his documentary, Alex is saying that the feds are putting checkpoints on the highway, but I'm not sure if the highway part of that is all that important.
Trump's feds are putting up tons of checkpoints around D.C., indiscriminately stopping vehicles and asking for identification to prove people's immigration status.
There's no way for Alex to not think that this is the government viewing people as guilty until they prove themselves innocent, and it's the feds doing it.
So this one, I think, is checked off the list.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is that if a heavily armed man forces you to stop through the threat of violence, then forces you to identify yourself again through the threat of violence, then this would somehow be a police state.
dan friesen
Or the threat of detention, perhaps, maybe not violence.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Metaphorical violence.
jordan holmes
Splitting hairs.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't know.
It feels like it.
So the third qualification is warrantless searches, which are happening all over the place.
The definition of probable cause has been stretched past the point of its breaking point.
And yeah, there's plenty of people who are being detained, seen searched without warrants.
It's absurd.
jordan holmes
ICE has the like, oh, they look on white.
Probable cause now.
That's it.
dan friesen
Finally, Alex points to a perversion of the military into being a tool of control, not defense.
The National Guard from D.C. has been called out, but troops have also been sent from six states to patrol D.C. And just the other day, people reported that many of them are carrying guns.
Great.
There's no way that the current situation doesn't qualify for Alex's definition of a nightmarish police state.
At least that was the case back when he was making police state-branded movies.
Right.
And so I think from this introduction, it's pretty clear.
Pretty clear that his position has changed significantly.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine.
Like, what states are we talking?
Like, I can't imagine being a National Guardsman from fucking Tennessee in D.C. going like, yeah, I should be here.
This makes perfect sense.
Right?
dan friesen
Well, you need to expand your mind then.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
You need to start thinking about the mission and the country.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
And the flag.
But we haven't even gotten to the, I mean, Trump is making it so he can't burn the flag.
jordan holmes
Has he?
dan friesen
Did you just the other day?
jordan holmes
Really?
dan friesen
We'll talk about that later.
What?
Yep.
jordan holmes
Why?
alex jones
What?
jordan holmes
Did we just now need to solve that?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a real problem.
jordan holmes
Okay, I mean, I understand that if this was, I guess, 1981, we would be more interested in this finally being solved.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex goes on to talk a little bit more.
This is still from the Police State 2000 documentary.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
I have footage, and you're going to see it.
Of Marines engaging in mock gun confiscations, kicking in doors, setting up concentration camps, and working with foreign troops from China, Russia, Britain, Australia.
It's incredible, my friends.
And you've got to face up to it.
I've got to face up to it, and we've got to take action.
But perhaps worst of all is the Delta Force, Army Special Operations from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, slamming into South Texas towns during Operation Last Dance.
Buildings ablaze, power lines down, live-fire exercises, the citizenry terrorized.
Again, this isn't some foreign country.
This is America.
Psychological warfare against the population.
dan friesen
So, Alex is talking about footage that he has of like military doing training exercises meant to simulate urban environments that they might be deployed to in the war on terror.
jordan holmes
You mean like DC?
dan friesen
Sure, at this point.
I think war sucks and that we shouldn't do it, but we're living in a world where if you have a military, you better make sure that that military has been trained.
They better be training.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If you're going to have a military, an untrained military, very clearly worse than the very least a trained military.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so the premise of like, oh, look at these military training drills.
They're so awful.
Right.
They must also contain get rid of the military.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Otherwise, you just want them to be like, yeah, an incompetent military is below competent military in preferences.
dan friesen
It's a real danger.
I mean, militaries are dangerous to begin with, but a wild one is.
jordan holmes
I mean, essentially.
Well, in a sense, if you wanted to get rid of the military, an untrained one would probably eventually get rid of itself.
dan friesen
That's true.
They would lose some battles.
jordan holmes
They would lose a lot of, yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex plays games with the videos of these exercises because the folks the military gets to role play as the people being detained are often white Americans.
So it looks like the troops are being taught to attack people that Alex believes should be safe from oppression.
jordan holmes
It's like a Craigslist ad for acting.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or someone who knows someone at the base or whatever.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's a bending of optics.
But even beyond that, his premise is that training exercises are a perversion of the military and proof of a nightmarish police state.
What's going on in DC is not training.
This is active.
This is a thing that's happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He should be able to recognize the difference in severity.
If training exercises are nightmarish police states, where are we now?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, in a way, aren't we all always training?
You know, like we're all attempting to get better.
So this is in a way a training exercise.
dan friesen
Hey, you know what?
jordan holmes
Training them that it's okay to occupy a better statement.
dan friesen
I'm down with that.
Yeah.
As a fan of lifelong learning, you've convinced me.
jordan holmes
It's an optimistic viewpoint.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we have one more clip from the intro to Police Day 2000.
alex jones
Why are armored personnel carriers being delivered every week to small towns and big cities, not for the military, but for police?
Why is the military training with our police?
And what's happening?
My friends, this is the battle for the republic.
The enemy is not our police, and it's not our military.
It is those that would pervert and twist the sacred oath that our peace officers and military folks have sworn to uphold.
That is to defend our country from enemies foreign and domestic.
It's up to you.
This whole criminal system, this whole undertaking that we see unfolding before our eyes is done through ignorance.
It's up to you to educate the cop that lives next door to you or to talk to your friend who's a captain or a colonel or a general or a private in the United States military.
It's up to you to educate them about what's happening and refresh their memory about history.
We are repeating what happened in 1933 Germany.
My friends, it's up to you.
dan friesen
So different vibe.
jordan holmes
Wow.
alex jones
Well.
dan friesen
You can sense a whole lot of differences.
jordan holmes
You know, in a way, it's like this makes me frustrated, not with Alex, but with his opening talk about how other radio hosts or whatever, you know, the whoever it is.
dan friesen
People are saying he betrayed his principles.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
He's responding to them in a Kfabe.
You know, like, I've never betrayed my principles, that whole concept.
Because the truth is, like, he could stop and look at all of them and go, none of us believe in any of this shit, man.
None of us ever believed in any of this shit.
We sell ED pills.
That's who we are on the inside.
We would say anything to sell those fucking boner pills, right?
Well, I mean, you know, not anything other than like, hey, let brown people live here.
dan friesen
Yeah, you know, selling ED pills while maintaining a social hierarchy.
jordan holmes
Two birds with one stone.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
As long as those two masters are served, then good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, totally.
I mean, like, the most understandable response Alex could have to, like, criticisms that he has betrayed his principles.
Like, I have principles.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I didn't portray anything.
jordan holmes
I made movies.
dan friesen
I thought this was fun.
jordan holmes
It was fun.
Yeah.
And then I got rich and now it's not fun.
dan friesen
It's not fun anymore.
jordan holmes
It's not fun anymore.
dan friesen
I have to defend Trump?
unidentified
Why?
jordan holmes
What am I doing?
dan friesen
It's crazy.
He covered up Epstein.
unidentified
Shit.
I should be talking about butter.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what I'm doing at this time.
dan friesen
I killed Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
What?
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Alex decides that his approach to this is going to be defending Trump and his actions in D.C. on the basis of there's so much crime.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which I think is the worst angle he could take.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I mean, I've got every day countless videos of car chases, murders, shootings, home invasions.
And sure, it's interesting stuff.
If it bleeds, it leads.
I don't even show it most of the time because we just take the whole show up.
You know all about it.
They had a bunch of tractor trailers stolen in Los Angeles last night or not before.
And huge high speed chases and crashes and the cops couldn't get them.
I mean, it's...
I've got like seven or eight other videos in Texas of high speed chases with illegal aliens yesterday.
I mean, I can't even keep track of this.
dan friesen
Alex may have seen a ton of videos, stuff posted to Twitter, but he doesn't know what any of it is and he can't report any of this stuff accurately.
Right.
So in LA, there weren't a bunch of tractor trailers.
So in LA, there weren't a bunch of tractor trailers stolen leading to a ton of crashes that ended up in all this kind of crazy shit.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Two guys stole a pickup truck and then they led the police on a bit of a chase.
Okay.
They ended up driving down the wrong way on the highway and they stopped a semi truck by blocking traffic.
So then they had a gun.
So they stole the semi, which was hauling something.
But no one really knew what it was.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
This created a really touchy situation where it could be a huge truck full of gasoline or some kind of toxic chemical.
Right.
So it had to be more or less treated like a giant possible bomb.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
This is a borderline explosive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now we have a car chase with a, we don't know what's in this tank exactly.
jordan holmes
It could be pallets of concrete or it could be explosions.
You'll never know.
dan friesen
It was a cylindrical tube.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's the worst kind.
dan friesen
You would assume it was a liquid.
jordan holmes
Oh, I don't want that kind of tube.
dan friesen
It could be explosive or it could be water.
Yeah.
You know, like it was the people who are covering it from the helicopter and stuff were like, we don't know what's on there.
jordan holmes
If I'm, if I'm stealing it, listen, I'm all for the stealing of the semi.
You got to do what you got to do.
You're in a car chase, right?
It makes sense.
But even if I'm in the middle of a car chase, if I see one of the tubes, I'm like, I can't steal that one.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't, I'm not, I'm not prepared to take responsibility for whatever happens.
dan friesen
This could go bad so fast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
And like, I just wanted a pickup truck, man.
Like if you assume that it's possibly like radioactive material or something, you don't want to take responsibility for that.
I just was stealing a truck.
jordan holmes
Just stealing a truck, man.
dan friesen
I don't want to hurt people that bad.
jordan holmes
This all got out of hand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the chase went on for a while before the carjackers pulled up under an overpass and they fled on foot and then they stole another truck.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
All in all, the chase went on about an hour and a half and the police did not end up catching them.
unidentified
Hell yeah!
dan friesen
Which is insane.
jordan holmes
Hell yeah!
Get it!
dan friesen
See, I think I understand what that reaction is because it's nuts that they stole this semi truck.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And managed to get away.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But it also started with them carjacking someone.
jordan holmes
No, I understand.
dan friesen
So it's not like...
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
This is an issue.
I understand all of this.
dan friesen
This is not a, oh, they got away.
jordan holmes
Listen, here's the problem.
dan friesen
This isn't Smokey and the Bandit.
jordan holmes
Here's the problem.
Car chases really probably shouldn't happen at all, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, when we get down to it, they're probably just more dangerous than being like, you know what?
Your car has a tracking device.
We'll catch it tomorrow.
dan friesen
I think studies have shown that they're not necessarily...
jordan holmes
Everybody's doing a bad job once we're into the car chase part of it.
I appreciate that the pre-car chase part of it, you gotta face consequences for that.
dan friesen
The spectacle's pretty amazing.
Pretty great.
When you fuck around and steal a semi truck.
jordan holmes
I mean, and when?
Oh, that's America is what that is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And you successfully make two transfers between vehicles while the police are chasing you.
That's insane.
unidentified
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
That's an inspiration in some ways.
dan friesen
So as far as I can tell, also, this is great news for you.
Your heroes have not been arrested at this point.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
They should probably face something about that.
Car jacking.
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah.
And at gunpoint, stealing a semi from somebody.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
But that was, again, that was extenuating circumstances.
dan friesen
And the third car.
jordan holmes
This third car is...
that's, you might as well steal the third car.
dan friesen
Sure.
Might as well.
It's all nuts.
This is all crazy stuff, but I don't know if this justifies martial law or calling out the National Guard.
Like, this is, yeah, sure.
That's a spectacle.
That's a huge, crazy car chase thing in LA.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't think you need the National Guard because of this.
jordan holmes
Well, even, so even if you want to say that the level of danger is great enough to warrant greater response, I don't think anything the National Guard is good at would not ultimately wind up with an exploding semi-truck, right?
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Like, that's what they're good at.
And they're great at it.
dan friesen
But also, like, the circumstances of this were not like they set out to steal that semi.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It happened because it was right there when they were fleeing in the truck that they stole that maybe was running out of gas or something.
Right.
The danger of someone stealing a semi is exactly the same as it was every other day before that and after.
This was a freak set of circumstances that ended up in this.
And I don't think any greater law enforcement would be able to stop you from being in that moment.
jordan holmes
It's just an upgrade in weaponry, right?
Like the and a lack of, what, useful training?
Like in terms of being able to stop any sort of violent crime within a city that's like a thing that's happening.
What training does the National Guard have that they could like rely on to help solve these problems?
dan friesen
Cognitive therapy.
They chat with people.
jordan holmes
I mean, well, you know, I'm glad our National Guard is learning multiple skills.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's strange to me that this is the angle that Alex is taking.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like, well, look at this.
The crime.
We have to do this.
jordan holmes
How much crime, what level, okay, how about this?
What amount of the population has to be actively engaged in a criminal act to justify the National Guard being called in?
Like, is it if 30% of D.C. was committing a crime against another 30% of D.C., would that be like, hey, listen, we need to call the National Guard in for this?
dan friesen
Well, I don't know if that number is meaningful because you could just change the definition of who is committing a crime in order to get to that 30 if you want.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fair.
dan friesen
So, like, I don't know if ever creating a hard and fast line is meaningful.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because you could just cheat a different variable.
jordan holmes
All right.
So everybody's doing straight-up murders.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
How many straight-up murders are we talking before?
It's like, we got to call the National Guard in.
dan friesen
It feels like if you get to a point where you need to.
jordan holmes
There's no National Guard left.
They've all been murdered.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't want to say this is a self-solving problem.
jordan holmes
It feels like that's where we're going, though.
I think if we reach the point, I think essentially that you've kind of hit the nail on the head.
If we reach the point where it makes sense to call the National Guard in for crime, we've already reached too far of a point for it to matter that you're calling in the National Guard about crime.
dan friesen
The implications of how everything will be are going to be like, oh, I think if you reach the point where you need to call in the National Guard, the National Guard showing up is not something you'd notice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're too busy being murdered.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
So, look, there's good martial law, maybe.
unidentified
Is there?
dan friesen
Maybe there's a good police state.
alex jones
Okay, maybe.
Okay.
They have started the crisis.
They have started the problem.
This is not Trump with troops running checkpoints because you can't go outside your houses during a viral release like the Democrats did and globalists all over the world.
This isn't.
No, no, no, no.
This is Trump saying, okay, we'll put FBI agents on the streets.
We'll put National Guard on the streets in the high crime areas.
Just so the criminals know that there's a new sheriff in town and you just can't run around robbing and stealing and killing.
And I mean, you understand in Illinois, in California, in Washington, in Oregon, and a bunch of the places in New York, in D.C., they've closed most of the Walgreens, most of the CVSs, most of the Walmarts, most of the targets in these cities have closed.
jordan holmes
Drone strikers.
alex jones
These people just come in and just start robbing.
You've seen it.
Everything off the shelves because the DAs won't prosecute them.
They pass laws in states where you're only allowed to steal $3,000 a day in one state, another state.
You can steal $5,000 per store.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
That's a good deal.
alex jones
And then the sport of shoving white people in front of subway trains.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
And the knockout game.
15 to 1, black on white crime, conservatively.
dan friesen
Remarkable.
unidentified
I think we know why the National Guard should be called in.
dan friesen
For Alex, yeah, I think we know what he's thinking.
jordan holmes
I think that was clear.
dan friesen
So the premise of Alex's career is that there's no such thing as good martial law.
There's no benevolent police state.
They will justify their existence by pointing to exaggerations of crime, but they don't exist to solve those issues.
They exist to consolidate power.
His whole career was based on the idea that the globalists are trying to exaggerate the level of danger that the militia and extreme right-wing movements presented as a domestic terror threat, because if they could justify cracking down on those groups, they could use that as a means of expanding their power.
These groups would be labeled terrorists, so you would have, you know, you'd be fine with them having their guns taken away.
And just like that, no one really has a Second Amendment anymore.
But they would never come out and say that they just wanted to get rid of the Second Amendment.
It would always be sold to you as an extension of what they need to do in order to solve the huge crime problem that the militia people represent.
I don't agree with Alex, and I think that the militia and right-wing people were and still are a legitimate danger to public safety.
But if you just stipulate that he's right and go with this premise, it helps you clearly see how he shifted his role in the media space.
Previously, he was working to minimize the fear and sense of danger around these extreme right-wing groups.
And his ostensible reason for doing so was that if that fear was low, the globalists couldn't use it to justify launching their police state.
They needed you to be scared because a scared population is more controllable.
But if you could wake up and see that you didn't need to be scared of these militia people, you'd realize that the globalists were playing you.
They weren't escalating police state stuff in order to protect you from a severe threat.
They were exaggerating a minor threat in order to convince you that you needed their tyranny to protect yourself from it.
Now, Alex's positioning is basically reversed.
The Trump administration is actively involved in exaggerating the threat of local crime and using that exaggerated threat to justify an expansion of their police state actions.
If Alex were the same person that he was in the mid-2000s, then you would expect that his position would be that, yeah, there's a lot of crime, but that doesn't justify federal troops on the streets.
Even if some of Trump's actions could be defended as technically legal, Alex would understand that they're basic violations of the spirit of what he stands for.
But instead, we see Alex working to amp up and further exaggerate the fear around Trump's rationale for seizing power.
This fact tells us something important, which is that in the past, Alex was not being honest about why he was minimizing the danger that white supremacists and militias presented.
He acted like the fear was being exaggerated by the globalists in order to use it as an excuse to take over.
But the truth is, he just likes white supremacists and militias.
No matter how much violence or domestic terror they might carry out, he would be minimizing it and arguing that no federal law enforcement response would be appropriate.
On the flip side of the coin, Alex views local crime in urban areas as being something that's mostly being done by black people.
So police state actions being carried out against these populations doesn't bother him.
He's not part of that group.
He doesn't feel like it's going to affect him.
So he doesn't care.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
The whole premise of his career hinges on a police state affects all of us.
No matter what it's being done, it affects all of us.
And that's just not true.
He does not believe that.
That is rhetoric that he has deployed.
When shit's targeting groups that he doesn't feel like he's a part of or he feels safe from the tyrannical power, he's all in favor of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, the thought occurs to me.
In the abstract, I understand that the phrase technically legal can be neutral.
Right.
In practicality, though, I have never heard technically legal used in any way other than these people are screwing you over and it's technically okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, legal technicalities are often rarely the underdog story of someone getting away with something that is fine and benevolent.
jordan holmes
It's usually like, oh, we wrote this into the law to fuck you because you're not allowed to be in the city.
dan friesen
I think you should be able to stop this, but you can't.
jordan holmes
You can't.
Isn't that crazy?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I just, I find his position a bore, honestly.
I think that this is anybody who has engagement with Alex's career, anybody who has enough experience with what he believes, what he's put out, seen his early work, believes words mean things.
Anybody who has that, this is just self-defeating.
And it is boring.
Yeah.
It's terrifying, and the real world is scary, and all that does mean something, and I don't want to minimize that.
But Alex's response in this case is fucking boring.
It is a tired, racist old man just being worthless.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
When you think of the banality of evil, you tend to assume a kind of low-key personality associated with it.
But you can also be incredibly loud and banal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, that's what you get.
dan friesen
Well, you know, I think that this is also indicative of like his personality has gotten way less flamboyant as he's gotten further and further away from what made him interested.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay.
Let me ask you this question.
All right.
Write the episode of Law and Order with the National Guard in it in a helping way, right?
dan friesen
I got you.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
dan friesen
Well, does it have to be Special Victims Unit?
jordan holmes
It doesn't have to be special.
Any episode of Law and Order with the National Guard in it.
dan friesen
Okay, well, it would have to be like in the aftermath of like a natural disaster.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Helping respond to a natural disaster.
jordan holmes
In an episode of Law and Order?
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I could see an episode of Criminal Intent, like maybe someone's committing a crime while a hurricane's happening.
You see the movie Hurricane Heist?
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fine, but then what's the part in order?
So the National Guard has to be involved in both law and order, right?
So you got the National Guard and law.
They're helping people do the whole thing.
Now they're in the courtroom.
What does the National Guard do there?
dan friesen
Hmm.
Well, I don't think not every episode involves the order.
jordan holmes
Is that true?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It is just the title.
jordan holmes
Yes, I'm thinking of flagship law and order.
For me, the law and order structure is we spend the first 20 minutes with those two detectives running around asking people what's going on while they move stuff from one thing to another thing.
And then the next 20 minutes is the other guy is in court going like, ah, and then a dramatic thing happens and then it resolves.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think, I think that as the show went on, there was less two elements.
And they split off more.
Granted, the DA would certainly still yell at the cops and stuff.
I'm like, what am I going to take down my courtroom?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
You know, there's definitely that.
jordan holmes
This isn't enough, or this is the wrong kind.
Yeah, right.
dan friesen
That character exists.
But they went to like law and order trial by jury.
That was more of the courtroom setting kind of stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Yeah, that was their spin-off one.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Whereas like, you know, special victims unit, criminal intent, those were more like crime of the week.
jordan holmes
Oh, I suppose you're right.
Yeah.
How about that?
dan friesen
The Law and Order franchise.
I get where you're coming from.
They did drop the order a little bit from it.
jordan holmes
I was just a man who watched the first 10 season of Law and Order pretty consistently, and then now I've just dipped back in and out.
And I guess that was 40 years ago.
dan friesen
Let me flip the question back on you.
Where would you expect the National Guard to be in the courtroom?
jordan holmes
See, this is the thing.
What I see in my head is the National Guard is with the cops, and they're going to question somebody, and then the cops are like, knock on the door.
And the National Guard kicks the door in and grabs the people and pulls them out.
And the cops are like, that's unconstitutional.
And then we go to the order part, and the judge is like, that was unconstitutional.
I'm not allowing it.
And then the National Guard is like, actually, you are.
And then the judge cries and then the episode is over.
And they won.
Yeah, exactly.
They are allowed to do whatever they want.
dan friesen
It's a bad episode.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I'm not sure.
Let me call Dick Wolf.
jordan holmes
Dick Wolf, get on it.
alex jones
Bum, bum.
dan friesen
So I think that one of the things, like, I'm fine with just my thesis is this is a bore.
alex jones
Yeah.
This is the left creating chaos, creating their own form of martial law, which means the normal law is not being followed.
You can have a grassroots, Soros-funded chaos martial law, or you can have one from the top where the regular laws and rights are suspended.
Trump's not suspending anybody's rights.
And everything he's done with ICE and everything he's doing with the National Guard is 100% constitutional.
And quite frankly, if you actually study it, he's ramping up as fast as he can.
But most people that are informed are pissed that there's not more.
They want civil war conditions in this country.
Now stores all over Europe, all over the U.S., all over Canada, are putting locks on even TV dinner stuff.
It's not the cologne and expensive things that are locked up.
It's everything.
So they've created the climate of collapse.
They know exactly what they're doing.
And Trump is bringing back law and order as best he can.
dan friesen
So this is just a childish position where no matter what happens, it's the left's fault.
If Obama creates a Muslim caliphate out of the United States, then it's the top-down left tyrannical plan.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
If Trump takes over DC with federal troops, it was just to stop the left's grassroot tyrannical plans.
jordan holmes
No, we're crazy.
dan friesen
This is boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So there's an interesting contrast, I think, in that supporting Trump doing this is invalidating Valik's career.
For sure.
Also, supporting Trump covering up the Epstein thing would be invalidating of his career.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He has so much less of a problem with this than he did.
jordan holmes
That is a really good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a really good point.
dan friesen
And I think part of the reason is because he wasn't mad about Trump doing anything with Epstein or anything.
He just wanted him to shut up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, they handled the looks wrong.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The optics were bad.
dan friesen
He was super mad about like, I can't work with this.
You're not playing your role correctly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He has no problem here, really, because Trump's doing exactly what he should be doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Showing force, being super strong.
jordan holmes
I mean, trampling on people.
It's annoying because I feel like if you really just got to him, he'd be like, you know, D.C.'s like the blackest city in America.
So yeah, of course I'm fine with him putting troops in there.
dan friesen
If Alex could be on some kind of truth drug or something like that, I imagine that's what he would.
jordan holmes
I'll burn down Atlanta.
I knew it.
I caught you, you mother.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't think that at core, it's that much more complicated.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's hard to it's hard to it's hard to see okay in the past we could kind of just figure that out context clues.
You know, you can generally sense this.
This is an actual follow-through of the very core concept.
Like, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
The core concept has been violated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You have to see that he doesn't believe any of this shit.
dan friesen
He can't.
And he didn't before.
Yeah.
Or if he did before, then he needs to explain what changed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, I would accept an explanation for what changed, why this is okay.
And one explanation that I'm not going to accept is crime is out of control.
jordan holmes
Alan's not okay.
dan friesen
Because that's something that he would have made fun of earlier in his career.
Some politician saying the crime is out of control.
Are you fucking kidding?
Yeah.
Of course.
Of course.
So if you need more evidence that this has racial tinges to it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
It is the globalists that said they would destabilize society and collapse it and cause a civil war.
Trump is trying to stop it with a show of force.
And it's a band-aid on a bigger problem.
We need the Soros DAs removed.
A bunch of them committed crimes.
We need them indicted.
Some of that's happening.
We have to take politically out, unlawfully, the leadership of this system.
So here's Trump with a short analogy, which is totally true, of you walk in a restaurant and the front door's dirty and the floor's dirty.
Well, you know the kitchen's dirty and there's cockroaches walking around.
And everybody's like, that's simple.
Well, if a city has feces and needles and crime, you know you're not in a safe society.
And that's been done by design to undermine and demoralize us.
That's what all of this is about.
They admit it.
And taking a knee during the national anthem, all of it is to break your will.
And Trump is coming and saying, no, our will is not broken.
Our will is strong.
dan friesen
So I feel like Alex should be much more worried about a leader sending in National Guard troops as a show of force.
But I guess he's really scared about crime in cities he doesn't live in.
And you can tell how much of this really is just a racism thing and how it comes back to Alex's feelings of white victimhood because he brings up taking a knee at football games as something that's breaking society's will.
Colin Kaepernick was doing that in 2016.
That's almost a decade ago.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
This isn't a subject that's been relevant in a long time.
And Alex isn't even supposed to care about football.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
His mind can come up with that because he has strong feelings about feeling slighted by this.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Because he's fundamentally racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
How can you be so racist that a guy taking a kneel on a totally voluntarily missable thing to make a statement about police brutality justifies the military showing up?
That's wild.
dan friesen
Now, I know I made multiple documentaries about fears about the police state.
Right.
But.
10 years ago.
jordan holmes
10 years ago, one guy took a knee because a lot of black people are getting murdered by the police.
dan friesen
Some other people started taking a knee as well.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And I was going to pick up Steve.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was the problem.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
That's pathetic.
So anyway, I don't really care about the rest of this episode.
I just think that there's a fundamental complaint that Alex makes, and that is that, hey, everyone's saying that I betrayed my principles.
If you examine his principles, it would appear that way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the explanation is kind of simpler.
And that is that there weren't principles to begin with.
Holding him to being the guy who would be against an actual martial law kind of situation is foolish.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, at a certain point, you are arguing with an illusion.
You're no longer capable of arguing with a person who exists.
Like, if you are saying, oh, I didn't betray my principles, then you are creating an illusion.
There's no point in even discussing this.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that that's part of the reason why it's more interesting and I think more worthy of examination the time when he's dealing with the Epstein fallout and all that stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As opposed to this.
This is kind of on its face, just a like.
jordan holmes
Oh, I'm a racist.
Yeah.
I would like civil war conditions in a very different sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would like Trump to do a show of force using National Guard troops because there's too much crime.
The fuck are you talking about?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's shocking in a sense.
And I think that as time goes on, he'll definitely have to bend over in a pretzel and contort himself to justify the various things that happen.
But you can see how much simpler it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you, it's almost, it's like that at water quote in a sense of like, well, you know, you can say you want separate water fountains or you can say that the National Guard should be in D.C. It's up to you what you want to say, but they mean the fucking same thing, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, at the end of the day.
Yep.
So we'll be back to see what happens when Alex's business gets liquidated.
But for now, this is his heart and soul.
jordan holmes
Bared for all to see.
dan friesen
Empty, self-contradictory, and boring.
Anyway, we'll be back.
Until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
jordan holmes
I'm a first Tim Caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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