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Aug. 27, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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#1070: August 12, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan pop in to discuss the underwhelming response Alex has to Trump sending the National Guard into DC, and how he has far less of a problem with this than the Epstein cover-up.

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alex jones
07:14
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dan friesen
28:06
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jordan holmes
14:47
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alex jones
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unidentified
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alex jones
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unidentified
Knowledge Fight.
alex jones
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dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes.
Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Joe.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan!
Jordan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Well, I would like to say for my bright spot, I'd like to open with a poem.
jordan holmes
Okay!
dan friesen
Okay.
And I'd like you to try to guess who I'm reading the work of.
Okay.
I'm the professor, and all I can tell you is, while you're still sleeping, the saints are still weeping, because things that you call dead have yet haven't had the chance to be born.
jordan holmes
Hmm.
Don't know.
dan friesen
Isn't that heavy though?
jordan holmes
It is.
dan friesen
You know, you're sleeping, the saints are weeping.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because things that you call dead haven't had a chance to be born.
jordan holmes
Is this Doctor Who?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Scatman.
Because of our conversation of the last episode.
of Scatman.
jordan holmes
Have you recently got a tattoo?
dan friesen
No, I was pretty close.
jordan holmes
But okay.
dan friesen
Because of our conversation on the last episode, I went back and I was listening to Scatman.
And that's a lyric in Scatman.
Just his big hit.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
The part I cut out was the line right before that is, I hear you all asking about the meaning of scat.
Well, I'm the professor and all I can tell you is, while you're still sleeping, the Saints are still weeping.
Because things you call dead have not yet had the chance to be born.
I'm the scatman.
jordan holmes
Is he talking about scat?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Is scat something that you think is dead?
but hasn't really been born yet?
dan friesen
I don't know.
jordan holmes
Is that what we're doing?
dan friesen
It's so much more philosophical than than it has any business to be.
jordan holmes
I think that might Yeah, I think that's that for me, that's my reading of it.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
My interpretation of that.
dan friesen
So anyway, I fell down a deep hole.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Of watching Scatman's video.
jordan holmes
You fell down a scat hole, yeah.
If you will.
dan friesen
And I don't know if I had ever seen this video before.
I might have and just forgotten.
But even if I had, it delighted me so much.
So Scatman was huge in Japan.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
Right.
He had his career really took off huge over there.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
So there's a video on YouTube of.
of a Japanese show where there's a guy doing a Scatman impression.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
And he's he's doing like karaoke of Scatman.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And then the Scatman comes out.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
The place goes crazy.
I mean, we're talking like 1998 Stone Cold Steve Austin pop.
Like they lose their shit.
They're so excited to see the Scatman.
jordan holmes
I love, here's what I love about that.
I don't think if the Scatman walked out, I would be able to tell who it was.
dan friesen
Yeah, you would.
jordan holmes
And they were all instantly like, That is the Scatman.
dan friesen
The hat and the mustache.
You know.
jordan holmes
Oh, well, there is the hat.
and the moustache.
dan friesen
And he's going skimming it up.
jordan holmes
Right, but I mean, I wouldn't know if that was for sure the scat man.
It could have been a scat man.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I think at that time and place that was the you could be pretty sure about it.
But what I was, what I was feeling all over again was this pure delight.
Like there is something that is so happy about seeing this.
Everyone's so happy to see him.
Yeah.
When he comes out.
And then he's going skimming it up.
And like, I don't think that scats singing is dumb.
sure and i don't think that it's not an art form and a jazzy kind of thing sure but i also think it's very funny it is without question it's very funny to have a a little uh a little chunk like that right before and after.
jordan holmes
this weeding?
Yeah, that's the same as the weeping.
Yeah, that one's a little bit to just to juxtapose.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's got some heavy fucking lyrics and then Skip it up and down and down and down.
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
I've, uh, uh, rediscovered that.
What was it about him that I love?
Yeah.
Just a pure delight.
jordan holmes
What we need is for, do you remember the Gray album?
Here's what we need.
We need Danger Mouse to get on it and have Scatman do disintegration by the cure.
Mix, match the two of those.
dan friesen
I'm into it.
jordan holmes
Now we're talking.
dan friesen
I also watched an interview with him where it was with MTV Europe or something.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And he's just like clearly in a place where it's like, why the fuck am I talking to MTV?
Why do they want to talk to the Scatman?
jordan holmes
Agreed.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I never thought I would be famous.
jordan holmes
I mean, for what he did, for what he makes.
That he is world famous is absolutely absurd.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he explained that what he does is you turn your voice into a musical instrument.
jordan holmes
Right.
No, I understand.
dan friesen
You're like doing a jazz solo, but with your mouth.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
No, if you if you stop and you go like, Weird Al is a global superstar.
It seems to confuse you just a little bit.
He's great.
He's great.
Fantastic.
Global superstar seems up maybe a little, maybe a little high.
dan friesen
I think that there's something that's even more funny about the Scatman.
jordan holmes
Yeah, well, absolutely.
dan friesen
Well, I still must insist I'm not joking about liking him.
I think he's great and an inspiration to people with speech impediments.
He's he's he's he seems like a fine human being.
But it's funny.
It's a funny style of music.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot is if you remember how my dryweed vaporizer busted and then they sent me a new one.
Well, the company came out with a new version, all technologically advanced.
Shit.
All that kind of stuff.
And as I saw that, I was like, this is what, like I had this brief moment of, this is what capitalism is about is about, right?
I bought a thing, it worked, awesome.
The company took care of me, great.
They come out with a new thing.
I go, you know what?
I'm already ahead.
I like you guys.
I went and bought it.
That's simple.
That's like the high of capitalism.
dan friesen
Well, that's kind of, and as a consumer experience, it's like you're being kind of fucked, but also you're like, okay, but good enough.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
You and I, we've got a thing going on.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is about as good as, you know, we're going to get as a, like, yeah.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
We're entering into a business relationship that I feel like, you know what?
We're both fine.
You know, that kind of thing.
That doesn't happen very often anymore.
dan friesen
No, not really.
jordan holmes
No, it feels very one-sided most of the time.
dan friesen
Unique to the weed business.
jordan holmes
I don't know what it is, but man, this was, this was like the first time I've been like, I'm already ahead.
This is a luxury purchase.
And it was great.
dan friesen
So what are the new, like, features?
jordan holmes
It's, it's got, like, different heating temperatures and the thing is on the side instead of the bottom and it can hold more, you know, whatever.
It's, it's the same thing, but better.
dan friesen
Heating temperature.
It just sounds like wine snobbery about it.
jordan holmes
I mean, no, exactly.
It's the same thing, but probably a little bit better.
The point is not that the thing is so much better.
I had to buy it.
The point is they earned it.
dan friesen
Good for them.
Good for them.
Your bright spot has made me think of two things.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
One is that I should just go ahead and get a scat man tattoo.
But then the second is that I should start smoking weed again just so, like, I could only talk in scat whenever I smoke.
Like, so if I get high, you'll know because I'll just be only saying Okay, all right, all right.
jordan holmes
I accept this.
I accept this new you.
If this is the direction that you want to go down, I don't know if our professional relationship will last too much longer.
dan friesen
Well, I don't think get high before the show.
jordan holmes
Oh, okay, okay, good.
dan friesen
I can host this as Beaker.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
dan friesen
But I can live as Beaker.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So today we got a little episode to go over.
Just talk about a little bit of something.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
And that is august twelfth, 2025.
As Alex's continuation of justifying the police state that Trump is unleashing Totally normal.
In DC continues.
But things take a little bit of a departure on the thirteenth.
Because that's the day that Alex's court case, the court decides that they can liquidate Infowars.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
There's another federal occupation brewing, if I will.
State God, yeah, whatever, whatever you like.
dan friesen
So there's a little pivot that happens, which we'll discuss that breaking on the next episode.
But for now, I just wanted to dwell a little bit in the space before that becomes an influence, and Alex is still just responding to Trump's actions in DC.
So we'll get down to this little minisode, but first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Rose is a red, Alex is a drunk.
Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
I know.
And congratulations to the second annual winner of the Knowledge Fight Fantasy Football league sex robots.
Thank you so much.
You're now, Policy Wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And give five more examples.
Thank you so much.
You're now, Policy Wonk.
unidentified
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we got a technocrat in the mixture.
So thank you so much to Noel.
If Dan pronounces Gruink correctly, you win bingo.
I hope this technocrat shout out brings you higher than the hemline of some hoochy daddy shorts.
I wish everyone could have a boss as cool as you.
Hold fast.
Summer is about as dead as the woke mind virus.
Thank you so much.
You're now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poopop.
unidentified
Daddy Sharp.
Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
alex jones
Jarge R. Banks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little kitty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
I'm sure I'm wrong.
Do you know how to pronounce that?
jordan holmes
No.
No clue.
dan friesen
G R E W I N G K. Probably like Peter or something.
jordan holmes
Oh, I I read it and I I know, I was just thinking as you read that one.
I was like, I wonder if I I wonder if I ever read the exact middle four or five words.
Because if you were trying to sneak something in and you put it in the exact middle of a block of text and there's about four or five words, you probably get away with it.
dan friesen
Because I remember that don't Don't tell people that.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Never mind.
dan friesen
Sneak on the internet.
Never mind.
jordan holmes
I read it all very, very quote specifically.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And I cold read.
So we're going to start here on the twelfth, and Alex has been getting a little bit of feedback about his show on the eleventh, where he was very into what Trump is doing.
jordan holmes
Prop a police state.
unidentified
Yeah, because people are like, hey man, that you can't do that.
dan friesen
That's you're the big guy.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I've had a lot of talk show hosts reach out to me.
I've seen a lot of clips of other talk show hostss attacking me and saying Alex Jones was mister Anti Police State.
Alex Jones was the one always talking about the military being deployed in the future and how there was this big menace in all the films I made and books I wrote about it.
And then suddenly he's supporting what ICE is doing and he's supporting the deployment of the National Guard to DC and Chicago if needed.
Why?
He's betrayed his values.
I have done nothing like that.
dan friesen
I completely understand why Alex would say this.
The alternative is accepting the criticism that he's entirely abandoned and betrayed the only thing his career was supposed to be based on, and that is a hard pill to swallow.
As it stands, Alex has three paths in front of him, depending on how he wants to respond to Trump's very clear police state moves.
The first is to say that Trump is doing all the shit he claimed the globalists were going to do and that he's the villain this story was building up to all along.
Alex isn't interested in doing that, so I'm going to ignore that path for now, which leaves us with two.
That means he gets to choose between one, accepting that his position has changed on what the police state means and explaining to the audience how it's okay for Trump to do all this stuff that was so evil for other people to do or to gaslight the audience into thinking this isn't what he meant by the words police state.
I've listened to thousands of hours of Alex's talk and let me make it as clear as possible.
Alex has betrayed his principles, and when you reflect on that a little bit, it becomes clear that these weren't principles to begin with, they were branding elements.
I know that it's easy to just say this, but in order to illustrate what I meant, I want to go back to Alex's film Police State two thousand.
Right, and see what he said then.
What was the fear then?
Back when he was taking the time to produce a coherent message about the horrors that were to come.
And what can we learn by comparing that to now?
Sure.
So I would like to transport you back in time.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
To the beginning of Alex's documentary, Police State 2000.
jordan holmes
Does he have to edit in?
Does he have to make new, like special edition versions where he edits in a little chunk where it's like, Unless Trump does it so easy?
dan friesen
He should.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That'd be fine.
dan friesen
He should talk to George Lucas about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, kind of.
Yeah, exactly.
Put a little Yeah.
dan friesen
So here's where we are at the beginning of that documentary.
alex jones
In the next two hours, you will see hardcore documentation, evidence that is irrefutable that America is turning into a nightmarish police state, cameras on the street corners, mass checkpoints on our major interstate highways, warrantless searches.
But worst of all, you'll see America's military being perverted, being turned into an instrument of control, not an instrument of defense.
dan friesen
So in that introduction, Alex presented four main things that represented the United States being put into a nightmarish police state.
Cameras on street corners, checkpoints on the highway, warrantless searches, and the military being used for domestic control instead of defense yeah obviously all of those things are currently happening and Trump is accelerating that.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
DC has a network of 28,000 public and privately owned cameras that feed into a master feed at their real-time crime center, something that's under the control of the Metropolitan Police Department.
It was launched last April, and now Trump has taken over the MPD and has the ability to abuse the surveillance tool, which includes drones, license plate readers, and all kinds of stuff far beyond cameras on streetwalks.
jordan holmes
What the fucking plot of The Dark Knight?
What is happening?
dan friesen
Well, it's part of the plot of The Dark Knight.
Before Batman begins?
No.
jordan holmes
Even in the movie they're like, hey, seriously, this can't exist.
I know you think it's important now, but really, we gotta burn this shit to the ground.
dan friesen
Yeah, and look, I'm not, I'm not here to say that Trump is like fully responsible for the creation of this tool or whatever, but he has now taken control of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And you'd be a fool to think that it isn't being used.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he's the joker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So in his documentary, Alex is saying that the feds are putting checkpoints on the highway, but I'm not sure if the highway part of that is all that important.
Trump's feds are putting up tons of checkpoints around DC, indiscriminately stopping vehicles and asking for identification to prove people's immigration status.
There's no way for Alex to not think that this is the government viewingwing people as guilty until they prove themselves innocent, and it's the feds doing it.
So this one, I think, is checked off the list.
jordan holmes
So what you're saying is that if a heavily armed man forces you to stop through the threat of violence, then forces you to identify yourself again through the threat of violence, then this would somehow be a police state.
dan friesen
Or the threat of detention, perhaps, and maybe not violence.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Metaphorical.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Splitting hairs.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
It feels like it.
So the third qualification is warrantless searches, which are happening all over the place.
The definition of probable cause has been stretched beyond the point of its breaking point.
And, yeah, there's plenty of people who are being detained, searched.
Generally searched.
Without warrants.
It's absurd.
jordan holmes
ICE has the, like, Oh, they look on white.
Probable cause now.
That's it.
dan friesen
Finally, Alex points to a perversion of the military into being a tool of control, not defense.
The National Guard from DC has been called out, but troops have also been sent from six states to patrol DC.
And just the other day, people reported that many of them were carrying guns.
unidentified
Great.
dan friesen
There's no way that the current situation doesn't qualify for Alex's definition of a nightmarish police state.
At least that was the case back when he was making police state branded movies.
Right.
And so I think from this introduction, it's pretty clear.
It's pretty clear that his position has changed significantly.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine, like, what states are we talking about?
Like, I can't imagine being a National Guardsman from fucking Tennessee in DC going, like, yeah, I should be here.
This makes perfect sense, right?
dan friesen
Well, you need to expand your mind that.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
You need to start thinking about the mission.
And the country.
jordan holmes
Man.
And the flag.
dan friesen
We haven't even got to the, I mean, Trump is making it so you can't burn the flag.
jordan holmes
Has he?
dan friesen
Just the other day.
jordan holmes
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
We'll talk about that later.
alex jones
What?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Why?
What, did we just now need to solve that?
dan friesen
Yeah, it was a real problem.
jordan holmes
Okay, I was I mean, I I I understand that if this was, I guess, 1981, we would be more interested in this, this finally being solved.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So, um, Alex goes on to talk a little bit more, uh, this is still from the Police State 2000 documentary.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
alex jones
I have footage, and you're going to see it, of Marines engaging in mock gun confiscations, kicking in doors, setting up concentration camps, and working with foreign troops from China, Russia, Britain, Australia.
It's incredible, my friends, and you've got to face up to it.
I've got to face up to it, and we've got to take action.
But perhaps worst of all is the Delta Force, Army Special Operations from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, slamming into South Texas towns during Operation Last Dance.
Buildings ablaze, power lines down, live fire exercises, the citizenry terrorized.
Again, this isn't some foreign country.
This is America.
Psychological warfare against the population.
dan friesen
So Alex is talking about footage that he has of like military doing training exercises meant to simulate.
urban environments that they might be deployed in the war against terror.
jordan holmes
You mean like DC?
dan friesen
Yeah, sure.
At this point, I think war sucks and that we shouldn't do it, but we're living in a world where if you have a military, you better make sure that that military has been trained.
They better be training.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
If you're going to have a military, an untrained military, very clearly worse than at least a trained military.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so the premise of like, oh, look at these military training drills.
They're so awful.
Right.
They must also contain, get rid of the military.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Otherwise, you just want them to be like an incompetent.
jordan holmes
military is below competent military in preferences, you know.
dan friesen
It's a real dang, it's, I mean, military is dangerous to begin with, but totally.
jordan holmes
A wild one is I mean, essentially, well, in a sense, if you wanted to get rid of the military, an untrained one would probably eventually get rid of itself.
dan friesen
That's true, they would lose some battles.
jordan holmes
They would lose a lot of, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex plays games with the videos of these exercises because the folks the military gets to role play as the people being detained are often white Americans.
So it looks like the troops are being taught to attack people that Alex believes should be safe from oppression.
jordan holmes
It's like a Craigslist ad.
for act Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Or someone who knows someone at the base or whatever.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
It's a bending of optics, but even beyond that, his premise is that training exercises are a perversion of the military and proof of a nightmarish police state.
What's going on in DC is not training, this is active, this is a thing that's happening.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He should be able to recognize the difference in severity.
If training exercises are a nightmarish police state, where are we now?
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, in a way, aren't we all always training?
You know, like what we're all trying to get better.
So this is in a way a training exercise.
dan friesen
Hey, you know what?
jordan holmes
Training them that it's okay to occupy a federal state.
dan friesen
I'm down with that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
As a fan of lifelong learning, you've convinced me.
jordan holmes
It's an optimistic viewpoint.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we have one more clip from the intro to Police Day 2000.
alex jones
Why are armored personnel carriers being delivered every week to small towns and big cities, not for the military, but for police?
Why is the military training with our police?
My friends, This is the battle for the Republic.
The enemy is not our police and it's not our military.
It is those that would pervert and twist the sacred oath that our peace officers and military folks have sworn to uphold.
That is to defend our country from enemies, foreign and domestic.
It's up to you.
This whole criminal system, this whole undertaking that we see unfolding before our eyes is done through ignorance.
It's up to you to educate the cop that lives next door to you or to talk to your friend who's a captain or a colonel or a general or a private in the United States military.
It's up to you to educate them about what's happening and refresh their memory about history.
We are repeating what happened in 1933 Germany.
My friends, it's up to you.
dan friesen
So different vibe.
Well, well, I could sense a whole lot of differences.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, in a way, it's like this makes me frustrated, not with Alex, but with his opening talk about how other radio hosts or whatever, you know, the, whoever it is.
dan friesen
People are saying he betrayed his principles.
jordan holmes
Right.
He's responding to them in a kayfabe.
You know, like, I've never betrayed my principles to that whole concept.
Because the truth is, like, he could stop and look at all of them and go, None of us believe in any of this shit.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Man, none of us ever believed in any of this shit.
We sell ED pills.
That's who we are on the inside.
We would say anything to sell those fucking boner pills, right?
Well, I mean, you know, not let anything other than like, hey, let brown people live here.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, selling ED pills while.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Maintaining a social hierarchy.
jordan holmes
Two birds with one stone.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
As long as those two masters are served, then good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, totally.
I mean, like the most understandable response Alex could have to criticism that he has betrayed his principles is like, I have principles.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I didn't betray anything.
jordan holmes
I made, I made movies.
dan friesen
I thought this was fun.
jordan holmes
It was fun.
Yeah.
And then I got rich and now it's not fun.
unidentified
Not fun anymore.
jordan holmes
Not fun anymore.
dan friesen
I have to defend.
jordan holmes
Why?
What am I doing?
dan friesen
Crazy.
He covered up that Steve'.
I should be talking about Putter.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what I'm doing.
dan friesen
Kill Gene Hackman.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
What?
Anyway.
Yeah.
Alex decides that his approach to this is going to be defending Trump and his actions in DC on the basis of there's so much crime.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Which I think is the worst angle he could take.
alex jones
Yeah.
I mean, I've got every day, countless videos of car chases, murders, shootings, home invasions.
And sure, it's interesting stuff.
If it bleeds, it leads.
I don't even show it most of the time because it would just take the time because it would just take the whole show up.
You know all about it.
They had a bunch of tractor trailers stolen in Los Angeles last night or night before and huge high speed chases and crashes and the cops couldn't get them.
I mean, it's I've got like seven or eight other videos in Texas of high speed chases with illegal aliens yesterday.
I mean, I can't even keep track of this.
dan friesen
Alex may have seen a ton of videos stuff posted to Twitter, but he doesn't know what any of it is and he can't report any of this stuff accurately.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
So in LA, there weren't a bunch of tractor trailers stolen leading to a ton of crashes that ended up in all this kind of crazy shitit.
Sure.
Two guys stole a pickup truck and then they led the police on a bit of a chase.
Okay.
They ended up driving the wrong way on the highway and they stopped a semi truck by blocking traffic.
So then they had a gun.
So they stole the semi truck, which was hauling something, but no one really knew what it was.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
dan friesen
This created a really touching situation where it could be a huge truck full of gasoline or some kind of toxic chemical.
So it had to be more or less treated like a giant possible bomb.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
This is a borderline explosive.
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So now we have a car chase with a we don't know what's in this tank exactly.
jordan holmes
It could be pallets of concrete or it could be explosions.
You'll never know.
dan friesen
It was a cylindrical tube.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's the worst sign.
dan friesen
You would assume it was a liquid.
jordan holmes
I don't want that kind of tube.
dan friesen
It could be explosive or it could be water.
Yeah, you know, like it was sure.
The people who were covering it from the helicopter and stuff were like, we don't know what's on there.
jordan holmes
If I'm stealing, listen, I'm all for stealing the semi.
You have to do what you have to do.
You're in a car chase, right?
It makes sense.
But even if I'm in the middle of a car chase, if I see one of the tubes, I'm like, ah, I can't steal that one.
Yeah, I don't, I'm not, I'm not prepared to take responsibility for whatever happens.
dan friesen
It could go bad so fast.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
And like, I just wanted a pickup truck, man.
dan friesen
Like, if you assume that it's possibly like radioactive material or something, you don't want to take responsibility for that.
I just was stealing a truck.
jordan holmes
I just was stealing a truck, man.
dan friesen
I don't want to hurt people that bad.
jordan holmes
This all got out of hand.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So the chase went on for a while before the carjackers pulled up under a overpass and they fled on foot.
And then they stole another truck.
jordan holmes
Nice.
dan friesen
All in all, the chase went on about an hour and a half and the police didn't end up catching them.
jordan holmes
Which is insane.
Hell yeah!
Get it!
unidentified
Get it!
dan friesen
See, I think I understand what that reaction is because it's nuts that they stole this semi truck.
Sure.
And managed to get away.
Yeah.
But it also started with them car jacking somewhere.
jordan holmes
No, I see it like, no, no, no, this is a problem.
I understand all of them.
dan friesen
This is not a, oh, they got away.
jordan holmes
There's, listen, here's the problem.
dan friesen
This isn't Smokey and the bandit.
jordan holmes
Here's the problem.
Car chases really probably shouldn't happen at all, right?
Yeah.
Like when we get down to it, they're probably just more dangerous than being like, you know what?
Your car has a tracking device.
We'll catch it.
dan friesen
I think studies have shown that they're not, they're not necessarily, uh, everyone's doing a bad job.
jordan holmes
Once we're into the car chase part of it, I appreciate that the pre car chase part of it, you have to face consequences.ces for that.
dan friesen
The spectacle is pretty amazing.
Pretty great.
When you fuck around and steal a semi truck.
jordan holmes
I mean, and win?
That's America is what that is.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you successfully make two transfers between vehicles while the police are chasing you.
That's crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's an inspiration in some ways.
dan friesen
So as far as I can tell also, this is great news for you.
Your heroes have not been arrested at this point.
jordan holmes
I don't know, they should probably face something about that car jack gag.
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And under gun point stealing a semi from someone.
jordan holmes
Sure, but that was, again, that was extenuating circumstances.
dan friesen
And the third car.
jordan holmes
This third car is that you might as well steal the third car.
dan friesen
Sure, might as well.
It's all nuts.
This is all crazy stuff.
But I don't know if this justifies martial law or calling out the National Guard.
Like this is Yeah, sure.
That's a spectacle.
That's a huge, crazy car chase thing in LA.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I don't think you need the National Guard because of this.
jordan holmes
Well, even so even if you want to say that the level of danger is great enough to warrant a, like, greater response.
I don't think anything the National Guard is good at.
That's what the guard is good at would not ultimately wind up with an exploding semi truck, right?
dan friesen
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Like that's what they're good at and they're great at it.
dan friesen
But also like the circumstances of this were not like they set out to steal that semi.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
It happened because it was right there when they were fleeing in the truck that they stole, right?
Maybe was running out of gas or something.
Right.
The danger of someone stealing a semi is exactly the same as it was every other day before that and after.
Yeah.
This was a freak set of circumstances that ended up in this.
Any greater law enforcement would be able to stop you from being in that moment.
jordan holmes
It's just an upgrade in weaponry, right?
And a lack of what?
Useful training?
Like in terms of being able to stop any sort of violent crime within a city that's like a thing that's happening.
What training does the National Guard have that they could rely on to help solve these problems?
dan friesen
Cognitive therapy?
They chat with people?
jordan holmes
I mean, well, you know, I'm glad our National Guard is learning multiple skills.
dan friesen
Yeah, no, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's strange to me that this is the angle that Alex is taking.
Yeah.
It's like, well, look at this.
Crime.
We have to do this.
jordan holmes
What?
How much crime?
What level?
about this?
What amount of the population has to be actively engaged in a criminal act to justify the National Guard being called in?
Like, is it if the, if thirty percent of DC was committing a crime against the other, another thirty percent of DC, would that be like, hey, listen, we need to call the National Guard in for this?
dan friesen
Well, I don't know if that number is meaningful because you could just change the definition of who is comm is committing a crime in order to get to that thirty if you want.
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fair.
dan friesen
So, like, I don't know if ever creating a hard and fast line is meaningful.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because you could just cheat a different variable.
jordan holmes
Okay, so everyone's doing straight up murders.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
How many straight up murders are we talking about before it's like, we've got to call the National Guard in?
dan friesen
It feels like if you get to a point where you need to, like there's already, there's no National Guard left.
jordan holmes
They've all been murdered.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's I don't, I don't want to say this is a self-solving problem.
jordan holmes
It feels like that's where we're going though.
I think if we reach the point, I think essentially that you'veve kind of hit the nail on the head.
If we reach the point where it makes sense to call the National Guard in for crime, we've already reached too far of a point for it to matter that you're calling in the National Guard about crime.
dan friesen
The implications of how everything will be are going to be like, I think if you reach the point where you need to call in the National Guard, the National Guard's showing up is not something you'll notice.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're too busy being murdered.
dan friesen
Right, right.
So, look, there's good martial law, maybe.
jordan holmes
Is there?
dan friesen
Maybe there's a good police state.
Okay, maybe, okay.
alex jones
They have started the problem.
This is not Trump with troops running checkpoints because you can't go outside your houses during a viral release like the Democrats did and the Globalists all over the world.
This isn't no, no, no, no.
This is Trump saying, okay, we'll put FBI agents on the streets, we'll put National Guard on the streets in the high crime areas just so the criminals know that there's a new sheriff in town and you just can't run around robbing and stealing and killing.
And I mean, you understand.
In Illinois, in California, in Washington, in Oregon, and a bunch of other of the places in New York, in DC, they've closed most of the Walgreens, most of the CVSs, most of the Walmarts, most of the targets in these cities have closed.
jordan holmes
Drones track.
alex jones
These people just come in and just start robbing.
You've seen it.
Everything off the shelves because the DAs won't prosecute them.
They pass laws in states where you're only allowed to steal three thousand dollars a day in one state, another state.
You can steal five thousand per store.
jordan holmes
That's nice.
That's a good deal.
alex jones
And then the sport.
of shoving white people in front of subway trains.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
alex jones
And the knockout game, 15 to 1, black on white crime, conservatively.
Remarkable.
jordan holmes
I think we know why the National Guard should be called in for Alex.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think we know what he's thinking.
jordan holmes
I think that was clear.
dan friesen
So the premise of Alex's career is that there is no such thing as good martial law.
There is no benevolent police state.
They will justify their existence by pointing to exaggerations of crime, but they don't exist to solve those issues.
They exist to consolidate power.
His whole career was based on the idea that the globalists are trying to exaggerate the level of danger that the militia and extreme right wing movements presented as a domestic terror threat because if they could justify cracking down on those groups, they could use that as a means of expanding their power.
These groups would be labeled terrorists so you would have you'd be fine with them having their guns taken away and just like that no one really has a Second Amendment anymore.
But they would never come out and say that they just wanted to get rid of the Second Amendment.
It would always be sold to you as an extension of what they need to do in order to solve the huge crime problem that the militia people represent.
I don't agree with Alex and I think that the militia and right wing people were and still are legitimateate danger to public safety, but if you just stipulate that he's right and go with this premise, it helps you clearly see how he shifted his role in the media space.
Previously he was working to minimize the fear and sense of danger around these extreme right wing groups, and his ostensible reason for doing so was that if that fear was low, the globalists couldn't use it to justify launching their police state.
They needed you to be scared because a scared population is more controllable, but if you could wake up and see that you didn't need to be scared of these militia people, you'd realize that the globalists were playing you.
They weren't escalating police state stuff in order to protect you from a severe threat.
They were exaggerating a minor threat in order to convince you that they that you needed their tyranny to protect yourself from it.
Now Alex's positioning is basically reversed.
The Trump administration is actively involved in exaggerating the threat of local crime and using that exaggerated threat to justify an expansion of their police state actions.
If Alex were the same person that he was in the mid two thousand, then you would expect that his position would be that yeah, there's a lot of crime, but that doesn't justify federal troops on the streets.
Even if some of Trump's actions could be defended as technically legal, Alex would understand that they're basic violations of the spirit of what he stands for.
But instead, we see Alex working to amplify.
and further exaggerate the fear around Trump's rationale for seizing power.
This fact tells us something important, which is that in the past, Alex was not being honest about why he was minimizing the danger that white supremacists and militias presented.
He acted like the fear was being exaggerated by the globalists in order to use it as an excuse to take over, but the truth is he just likes white supremacists and militias.
No matter how much violence or domestic terror they might carry out, he would be minimizing it and arguing that no federal law enforcement response would be appropriate.
On the flip side of the coin, Alex views local crime in urban areas as being something that's mostly done being done by black people.
So police state actions being carried out against these populations don't bother him.
He's not part of that group.
He doesn't feel like it's going to affect him.
So he doesn't care.
The whole premise of his career hinges on a police state affects all of us.
No matter what it's being done, it affects all of us.
And that's just not true.
He does not believe that.
That is rhetoric that he has deployed.
When shit's targeting groups that he doesn't feel like he's a part of or he feels safe from the tyrannical power, he's all in favor of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, this thought occurs to me in the abstract.
I understand that the phrase technically legal can be neutral, right?
In practicality though, I have never heard technically legal used in any way other than these people are screwing you over and it's technically okay.
dan friesen
So yeah, legal technicalities are often they're rarely the underdog story of someone getting away with something that is fine and benevolent.
jordan holmes
It's usually it's usually like oh we wrote this into the law to fuck you and because you're not alloweded to be.
dan friesen
You think you should be able to stop this, but you can't.
jordan holmes
You can't.
Isn't that crazy?
dan friesen
Yeah.
So I just find his position a bore, honestly.
I think that this is anybody who has engagement with Alex's career, anybody who has enough like experience with what he believes, what he's put out, seen his early work, believes words mean things, anybody who has that, this is just self defeating.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's, it's, and it is boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's, it's, it's terriblefying and the real world is scary and all that does mean something and I don't want to minimize that.
But Alex's response in this case is fucking boring.
It is a tired, uh, racist old man, uh, just being worthless.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when you think of the banality of evil, you tend to assume a kind of low key personality associated with it, but you can also be incredibly loud and banal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, that's what you get.
dan friesen
Well, you know, I think that this is also indicative of like his, his, uh, personality has gotten way less flow flamboyant as he's gotten further and further away from what made him interesting.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Okay, let me ask you this question, all right?
Write the episode of Law and Order with the National Guard in it in a helping way, right?
dan friesen
Because all I got it?
jordan holmes
Oh yeah?
dan friesen
Well, does it have to be Special Victims Unit?
jordan holmes
It doesn't have to be special any episode of Law and Order with the National Guard in it.
dan friesen
Okay, well, it would have to be like in the aftermath of a natural disaster.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Helping respond to a natural disaster.
jordan holmes
In an episode of Law and Order?
dan friesen
Sure, I could see an episode of criminal intent, like maybe someone's committing a crime while a hurricane's happening.
I'll see the movie Hurricane Hawk?
jordan holmes
Okay, that's fine, but then what's the part and order?
So the National Guard has to be involved in both law and order, right?
So you got the National Guard in law, they're helping people do the whole thing.
Now they're in the courtroom.
What does the National Guard do there?
dan friesen
Hmm.
Well, I don't think not every episode involves the order.
jordan holmes
Is that true?
dan friesen
Yeah.
It is just the title.
jordan holmes
Yes, I'm thinking of flagship law and order.
For me, the law and order structure is we spend the first twenty minutes with those two detectives run around asking people what's going on while they move stuff from one thing to another thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And then the something dramatic happens and then it resolves.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think I think that as the show went on, there was less like those two elements.
And they split off more.
Okay.
Given the DA would certainly still yell at the police and stuff, and like, what am I going to take to the court?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, of course.
dan friesen
You know, there's definitely that.
jordan holmes
This isn't enough or this is the wrong kind.
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Right, so that character exists.
Yeah.
But they, you know, they went to like Law and Order trial by jury.
That was more of the courtroom setting, kind of spin-off one.
While, like, you know, Special Victims Unit unit, criminal intent, those were more like Crime of the Week.
jordan holmes
Oh, I suppose you're right.
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
jordan holmes
What about that?
dan friesen
The Law and Order franchise, I I get where you're coming from.
They did drop the order a little bit from it.
jordan holmes
But I was just I was just a man who watched the first ten season of Law and Order pretty pretty consistently and then now I've just dipped back in and out and I guess that was forty years.
dan friesen
Let me turn the question back on you.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Where would you expect the National Guard to be in the courtroom?
jordan holmes
See, this is the thing.
What I see in my head is the National Guard is with the cops and they're going to question someone and then the cops are like, knock on the door and the National Guard kicks the door in and grabs the people and pulls them out and the cops are like that's unconstitutional and then we go to the order part and the judge is like that was unconstitutional I'm not allowing it and then the National Guard is like actually you are and then the judge cries and then the episode is over and the Yeah, exactly.
They are allowed to do whatever they want.
dan friesen
It's a bad episode.
Yeah.
See, I don't I don't I'm not sure.
Let me call Dick Wolf.
jordan holmes
Dick Wolf, get on it.
dan friesen
So I think that one of the things like I'm fine with just my thesis is this is a bore.
alex jones
Yeah.
This is the left creating chaos, creating their own form of You can have a grassroots sorrows funded chaos, martial law, or you can have one from the top where the regular laws and rights are suspended.
Trump is not suspending anyone's rights.
And everything he's done with ICE and everything he's doing with the National Guard is one hundred percent constitutional.
And quite frankly, if you actually study it, he's ramping up as fast as he can, but most people that are informed are pissed that there's not more.
They want civil war conditions in this country.
Now stores all over Europe, all over the US, all over Canada are putting locks on even TV dinner stuff.
It's not the cologne and expensive things that are locked up, it's everything.
So they've created the climate of collapse, they know exactly what they're doing, and Trump is bringing back law and order as best he can.
dan friesen
So this is just a childish position where no matter what happens, it's the left's fault.
If Obama creates a Muslim caliphate out of the United States, then it's the top down left tyrannical plan.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
If Trump takes over DC with federal troops, it was just to stop the left's grasassroots tyrannical plans.
jordan holmes
No, we're crazy.
dan friesen
This is boring.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is just, it's, there's an interesting contrast.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I think in that supporting Trump doing this is invalidating Alex's career.
jordan holmes
For sure.
dan friesen
Also, supporting Trump covering up the Epstein thing would be invalidating of his career.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
He has so much less of a problem with this than he does.
jordan holmes
That is a really good point.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That is a really good point.
dan friesen
And I think part of the reason is because he wasn't mad about Trump doing anything with Epstein or anything.
He just wanted him to shut up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
They handled the looks wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The optics were bad.
dan friesen
He was super mad about, like, I can't work with this.
You're not playing your role correctly.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
He has no problem here, really.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Because Trump's doing exactly what he should be doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Showing force.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Being super strong.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is.
dan friesen
Trampling on people.
jordan holmes
It's annoying because I feel like if you really just got to him, he'd be like, you know, DC's like the blackest city in America.
So yeah, of course I'm fine with him putting troops in there.
dan friesen
If Alex could be on some kind of truth drug.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or something like that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I imagine that's what he would.
jordan holmes
I'll burn down Atlanta.
I knew it!
I caught you, you mother.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think that at core, it's that much more complicated.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it's hard to, it's hard to, it's hard to see, okay, in the past, we could kind of just figure that out, context clues, you know, you can generally sense this.
This is an actual follow through of the very core concept.
Like, yeah, yeah, the core concept has been violated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You have to see that he doesn't believe in any of this shit.
dan friesen
He can't, and he didn't before.
Yeah.
Or if he did before, then he needs to explain what changed.
Yeah.
Like, I would accept an explanation for what changed, why this is okay, and one explanation that I'm not going to accept is crime is out of control.
jordan holmes
Allen's not okay.
dan friesen
Because that's something he would have made fun of earlier in his career, right.
Some politician saying that crime is out of control.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You're fucking kidding?
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course, of course.
dan friesen
So, if you need more evidence that this has racial tinges to it, oh yeah.
alex jones
It is the globalists that said they would destabilize society and collapse it and cause a civil war.
Trump is trying to stop it with a show of force.
And it's a band-aid on a bigger problem.
We need the Soros TAs removed.
A bunch of them committed crimes.
We need them indicted.
Some of that's happening.
We have to take politically out the unlawfully the leadership of this system.
So here's Trump with a short analogy, which is totally true.
If you walk in a restaurant and the front door's dirty and the floor's dirty.
Well, you know the kitchen's dirty and there's cockroaches walking around.
And everybody's like, that's simple.
jordan holmes
You're doing broken windows, huh?
alex jones
You know you're not in a safe society and that's been done by design to undermine and demoralize us.
That's what all this is about.
They admit it.
And take it to Needham and the national anthem, all of it is to break your will.
And Trump is coming and saying, no, our will is not broken, our will is strong.
dan friesen
So I feel like Alex should be much more worried about a leader sending in National Guard troops as a show of force.
But I guess he's really scared about crime in cities he doesn't live in.
And you can tell how much of this really is just a racism thing and how it comes back to Alex's feelings of white victimhood because he brings up taking a knee at football games as something that's breaking society's will.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Colin Kaepernick was doing that in 2016.
That's almost a decade ago.
Wow.
This isn't a subject that's been relevant for a long time, and Alex isn't even supposed to care about football.
Oh my God.
His mind can come up with that because he has strong feelings about feeling slighted by this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's fundamentally racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah, man.
Hmm.
unidentified
You can't...
jordan holmes
How can you be so racist that a guy taking a knee on a totally voluntarily miscible thing.
dan friesen
To make a statement about police brutality justifies the military showing up.
jordan holmes
That's wild.
dan friesen
Now I know I made multiple documentaries about fears about the police state.
Right.
But ten years ago.
jordan holmes
Ten years ago, one guy took a knee because a lot of black people are getting murdered by the police.
dan friesen
Some other people started taking a knee as well.
Right.
jordan holmes
And I was like, well, that was the problem.
Yeah.
That was the problem.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
It's pathetic.
So anyway, I don't really care about the rest of this episode.
I just think that there's a fundamental complaint that Alex makes.
And that is that, hey, everyone's saying that I betrayed my principles.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
If you examine his principles, it would appear that way.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the explanation is kind of simpler.
And that is that there weren't principles to begin with.
Holding him to be the guy who would be against a actual martial law kind of situation is foolish.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, at a at a certain point, you are arguing with an illusion.
You are you're no longer capable of arguing with a person who exists.
Like if you're saying, oh, I didn't betraray my principles.
Then you're creating an illusion.
There's no point in even discussing this.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's I think that's part of the reason why it's more interesting and I think more worthy of examination the time when he's dealing with the Epstein fallout and all that stuff as opposed to this.
This is kind of on its face just a like, Oh, I'm a racist.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I would like civil war conditions in a very different sense.
dan friesen
Yeah, I would like Trump to do a show of force using National Guard troops because there's too shocking in a sense.
And I think that as time goes, he'll definitely have to bend over in a pretzel and, you know, contorture himself to justify the various things that happen.
Yeah.
But you can see how much simpler it is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, if you, it's almost, it's like that Atwater quote in a sense of, well, you know, you can say you want separate water fountains or you can say that the National Guard should be in DC.
It's up to you what you want to say, but they mean the fucking same thing, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, at the end of the day.
Yeah.
So we'll be back to see what happens when Alex's business gets liquidated.
But for now, this is this is his heart and soul.
jordan holmes
Bared for all to see.
dan friesen
Empty, self-contradictory and boring.
Anyway, we'll be back.
Until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed we do.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgefight dot com.
dan friesen
Yeah, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm the yo.
I'm the yo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the mysterious professor.
unidentified
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
andy in kansas
Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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