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July 14, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:41:43
#1055: June 17-18, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan witness a dark day for Alex, where he decides that maybe Nazis aren't so bad, prepares to once again make a break with Trump, and reveals a new temperature-control super power.

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alex jones
18:37
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dan friesen
47:27
j
jordan holmes
25:09
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nick fuentes
03:23
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kirk elliott
00:35
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00:48
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01:52
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Speaker Time Text
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy and Kansas.
jordan holmes
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas.
Andy and Kansas.
unidentified
Andy.
alex jones
It's time to pray.
Andy and Kansas.
You're on the airplane for all this.
unidentified
Hello Alex, I'm a fiction caller.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
Knowledge Fight.
Not knowledgefight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of guys.
Let's sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
Jordan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
So, what's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
My bright spot today is probably on, not surprisingly, Tony Hawk 3 and 4.
jordan holmes
Yes, we talked about that.
dan friesen
The remake has come out and I've been kick flipping around.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like crazy.
I've been playing a lot of Tony Hawk 3 and 4.
jordan holmes
Is it good?
Is it scratching your itch?
dan friesen
It's scratching some itches.
Yeah, for sure.
When we talked about it a little bit before I got it, and I was reflecting on how I don't know if I remember what levels Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
were in it.
And it's the perfect level of nostalgia.
I did play these games a lot.
Okay.
But I only kind of remember the maps.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
I really, really, really remember one and two.
Tony Hawk one and two.
Like those I've memorized those maps, all those levels.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
These I'm like, what, London?
Oh, fuck, I don't remember that.
I kind of remember that.
Right, right.
And I think that's just like the perfect medium.
jordan holmes
Nice.
You know.
Is there anything new that you're enjoying there too, or is it all just straight up, this is what I've been looking for?
dan friesen
Well, there's a there's a couple of things.
One, there's some fun secret skaters, of course.
We got Michelangelo from the Ninja Turtles.
jordan holmes
Oh, that's fun.
dan friesen
It's him.
jordan holmes
I don't know why I legitimately was like, The artist, really?
It's like, no.
dan friesen
Maybe the artist's in there too.
Maybe.
unidentified
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe it's the past, yeah.
dan friesen
But also, I kicked this game on.
And I don't know if things got super crazy at some later point in Tony Hawk Underground or some of those games.
But as soon as I started playing, I had this voice in my head, echoing in my head, of you talking about how many stats they had.
And they have basic stats.
It is only like eight or nine different things.
Like lip balance, manual balance, speed.
jordan holmes
See, yeah.
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
It's all just, it's meat and potatoes.
and potatoes.
And so you would love it.
I believe you.
It is uncomplicated from a RPG perspective.
jordan holmes
I'm interested.
Yeah.
Some of those menus are getting out of control these days.
dan friesen
No menu difficulties here.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's nice.
That's nice stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I'm enjoying that.
What's your bright spot?
jordan holmes
My bright spot, unsurprising, Wimbledon.
That Yannick Center, that Carlos Alcaraz, they played tennis.
It was great.
dan friesen
Tennis.
jordan holmes
It was very enjoyable.
dan friesen
Nice.
jordan holmes
It was a good match.
Center won, which is extra good because that means we're setting up the US Open as our thriller in Manila.
dan friesen
Setting up the rubber match., exactly.
They say.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
If they make it there.
If they make it to that.
unidentified
Right.
jordan holmes
Barring, barring, uh, Carlos getting bored or one of them getting injured or Sinner getting doped, uh, doping banned again, they're going to be the two at the top.
dan friesen
That last one seems like it could be a possibility.
Also, is it a bracket style tournament?
jordan holmes
The US Open?
All of them are, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So is it possible that they would meet in an earlier round or will they always be okay?
jordan holmes
One and two.
In the old days, yeah, but now they're one and two and they're just going to be one and two back and forth so they'll meet in every final for the rest of our lives, basically.
I'm excited.
It's going to be great.
dan friesen
There's going to be a lot of angry Charles Barclays and Carl Malone's in the tennis world.
jordan holmes
There are so many broken human beings that were that were born at just the wrong time.
Like the end of the big three and the beginning of Carlos Alcaraz.
Like poor Zverev, he's just he's just ready to give it up.
dan friesen
He's lost.
jordan holmes
He's number three in the world and he's like, I suck at tennis.
How's that possible?
dan friesen
Three is not good enough.
jordan holmes
Not good enough with those two.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's tough.
dan friesen
When you get a tight two.
jordan holmes
That's all you need.
No, no, no.
Any more than two and it's probably, you know what?
I'm not going to do that Dave Attel joke.
I don't think so.
Sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over.
unidentified
Ooh.
dan friesen
We're going to be talking a little bit about june 17th and 18th.
Okay.
2025.
Real mess, real mess of time here.
Okay.
We have, of course, the civil war in the United States that's going on.
Sure.
Alex has killed Gene Hackman.
Yeah.
And now, Israel and Iran are real at each other's throats, having a donny brook, if you will.
They are.
And Trump has made it pretty clear by this point that he doesn't care that Israel's attacking Iran.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The attack on Iran carried out by the United States has not happened yet, but Alex fucking knows it's going to happen.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
And so he's in this real bad space.
Real bad head space.
And we'll talk about what that leads to.
But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new woks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a good idea.
dan friesen
So first, thank you so much, Jonathan, Martin, Timothy, Sasha, Melanie, Basira, and the archival staff at the Magnus Institute London.
Thank you so much, you're an owl, PolicyWok.
alex jones
I'm a policy one.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, The Devil's Pantys is not a satanic porn, but it might be a globalist porn.
Thank you so much, you're an owl, PolicyWok.
alex jones
I'm a policy one.
jordan holmes
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And I ate a chicken fried steak, and all I got was this vision from my cat, ISIS.
Thank you so much, you're an owl, PolicyWok.
jordan holmes
I'm a policy one.
Thank you so much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
unidentified
Oh boy.
dan friesen
We got a technocrat in the mix Jordan.
So thank you so much to John Crenshaw, Wyvern Wrangler of Ravenglass.
Thank you so much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go hunk your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp.
Bump, bump, bump, bump, bump.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
He's a loser little, little titty baby.
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
So the reason I said oh no.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Before I read that name was I saw the word wyvern and I thought it was another, like, gaelic or, uh, lowlandish.
jordan holmes
Or like a bunch of words I'm not going to be able to pronounce a Welsh word, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, so I thought it was a ton of yes and ws coming at me, but it was just one word.
jordan holmes
Good news.
dan friesen
Good news.
I got scared preemptively.
That'll happen.
So we start off today here on the seventeenth, and we actually have a couple of out of context drops from today's show.
It's been a while.
jordan holmes
It's been a while.
dan friesen
And I, that's why I brought two.
jordan holmes
Okay.
So I'm going to let you choose A or B. Ooh, these choices are getting so hard.
I'm going to defy expectations.
I'm going with A. Okay.
dan friesen
This one's the tamer of the two.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
So yeah, I'm just going to go crazy, I think.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
All right.
dan friesen
That's a person who's legitimately probably about to go crazy.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
I think I think I'm going to go crazy.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's, it's, you know, don't drive yourself crazy trying to keep yourself from going nuts.
alex jones
Now here, unfortunately, is B. The whole Bible is about God telling the Jews, you need to knock it off.
dan friesen
You need to knock it off.
So that's.
jordan holmes
Hold on.
Now that's an interpretation that I hadn't heard of before.
dan friesen
You go to Alex's seminary?
jordan holmes
The whole Bible.
The whole Bible.
Because it was all leading., all the whole stuff, you know, the Noah, the flood, the whole thing, all that was leading up to the moment when Jesus shows up and is like, Hey, knock it off.
Cool it.
And then we go on.
But really, that's the end of the book.
dan friesen
The whole, every single book of the Bible is the thesis, Yo, Jews, knock it off.
Cool out.
alex jones
Knock it off.
jordan holmes
It's okay.
dan friesen
Such a crazy thing to say.
And then also, so indicative of where this is going, unfortunately.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that does sound right.
dan friesen
So we start off on the seventeenth, and Alex is in quite a state about the Iran, Israel situation.
And that I would say is the entire tension of this episode is that Alex is having to deal with the fact that Trump has openly signalled support for Israel attacking Iran.
And Alex is getting some intelligence from behind the scenes sources that Trump plans to join in and attack Iran probably on Thursday, maybe on Friday.
It was a little later than that, but whatever.
But this is going to start World War 3 or 4, depending on the mood that Alex is in at the time.
Right.
It's all really disillusioning.
And it's a thing that Alex can't hide from, because it's such a high profile betrayal of what Trump was supposed to be in office to do.
Tucker is still carrying around the shame of supporting the Iraq war, so he's been very strongly opposed to attacking Iran.
And his public position on this leaves Alex with no choice but to address this.
He can't just like, let's talk about something else.
Oh, bathrooms or something.
jordan holmes
No, we're the bombs.
Yeah, the bombs.
dan friesen
This is not what Trump is supposed to be about.
And it's a high stake situation, and the thought leaders in Alex's media space have indicated that they're not going to go along with this.
We're essentially in the same place we were when Trump bombed Afghanistan in his first term and Alex drunkenly ranted about Trump shoving ISIS up our dirty assholes.
jordan holmes
Yep, yep.
dan friesen
The difference now is that Alex isn't drunk, so this isn't funny.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
It's just sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're just watching a guy who likes to pretend that God enlisted him as a child to create the Patriot Revolution that would build up to getting Trump elected, and he's now realizing that the whole thing is falling apart because it was bullshit.
It's kind of nice to see these folks scrambling and trying to figure out how to play this situation, but the thing is, it's infuriating that they never experience any kind of self reflection or like, how was this my fault?
Sure, sure.
This is the state that we find Alex in, and he believes that Iran is going to be attacked.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Probably nuked.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Trump maybe sent out some nuclear codes.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And everything.
jordan holmes
That makes sense.
alex jones
And from all the indicators I see and what's happening, I expect the United States to strike Iran massively as early as Thursday and as late as early next week.
But I would imagine when I see the movements going on and the nuclear launch codes that anyone can see being sent out, that they're scrambled to the submarines, to the bombers and to the ground forces that have ground based missiles.
Those are nuclear launch codes and targeting codes.
That's called taking the safety off.
And I will assure you, the public is not being told, but the Deathcon has been raised.
Two weeks ago, Russia raised its and sent targeting and launch codes to the submarines.
This is much bigger than just Iran.
So everyone that thinks you trigger Armageddon early, Jesus comes back, no, you're just going to get the Antichrist.
But that doesn't matter.
I guess everyone just wants to die.
So I understand.
That's my friend.
dan friesen
So that's, yeah.
That's not a good move.
He's in a bad mood.
jordan holmes
I guess, hey, I guess everyone just wants to die then.
How about that?
dan friesen
Yeah, and we've heard him say that kind of stuff before, but it's usually full of more like theater.
Yeah, yeah.
There's more energy behind it, like, oh, you all wanna die.
jordan holmes
This is resignation.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Oh, I simply will watch everything that I have known and loved fall to pieces of ash in front of my mind.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's a little mopy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
A little bit, fuck.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And so Alex kind of has to do the only thing he has left to do, and that is be like, hey, if you want to be a Nazi, go for it.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I'm so satty just trying to be honest and stabilize the world and have freedom for everyone.
Either be accused of being being a Nazi or be accused of working for Israel for God's sake when I'm neither.
But I tell you, the anti western, anti white, anti Christian rhetoric going on and being tacitly approved by the neocons, you can't sit around with all your racist crap against Western society and then point your finger to Nick Fontaine and say he's a bad guy when I think it's healthy to be totally politically incorrect now so that the left knows they no longer have any power over anything we say or do, because that's how they've been controlling us.
dan friesen
Yeah, be politically incorrect, but also if you say anything that is vaguely insulting to towards white people, then you want to commit genocide against the West.
So now that Alex is speaking somewhat freely, it's important to understand that this actually isn't a shift in his position at all.
In earlier times, Alex would be more opposed to groups like neo-Nazis or the Klan because he felt like that was in his best interest politically to work towards a white nationalist state in this more covert way, and that the whole game would be disrupted by openly and knowingly associating with Nazis.
That calculation has clearly changed, and now instead of trying to pretend that Nick Fuentes isn't a Nazi, Alex can just get on his show and say that Nazis aren't so bad compared to these imaginary enemies I yell about.
He's always felt that Nazis weren't that bad.
It's just now fine for him to be open about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He feels like, right.
jordan holmes
There's no such thing as like a little bit of Holocaust revisionism, you know, like once you're a Holocaust denier, even if you're like, but I mean, no, the Holocaust happened, but like it wasn't that bad.
Like you're also a Holocaust denier.
You've already crossed the veil.
You're fine.
dan friesen
Anybody want to hold on to those thoughts for a little bit later?
jordan holmes
Why am I unsurprised?
Yeah.
Why am I unsurprised?
dan friesen
It's a mess.
jordan holmes
No boy.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't stay on this topic for too long because he remembers that almost a decade ago he made a video about how Hillary Clinton was going to start a nuclear war.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And this seems to be kind of relevant now.
alex jones
Now this is a eight and a half, almost nine year old promo dealing with the fact that Hillary said, I'll go to war with Iran, I'll go to war with Russia, I'll go to war with China.
If we get a cyber attack, I'll attack them.
They can easily false flag and set them up.
jordan holmes
Go to war.
alex jones
And I will give the order to the military to launch nuclear.
It's like The Dead Zone, Stephen King's book, excellent movie.
Michael Cronenberg watched it again last night.
I'd seen it since I was like 10.
Christopher Walken.
And anybody he'd be able to shake somebody's hand after he's in a coma, he can see the future if there's any violence.
And he sees this politician who'll be president one day launching a preemptive nuclear strike and starting nuclear war.
So Walken goes to kill him.
But the politician sees it and grabs a baby and puts it in front of him.
So that discredits it and then he kills Walken.
But that's the dead zone.
That's a movie.
unidentified
This is a disaster.
dan friesen
Okay, so I get that Alex enjoys his sci-fi movies, but he's really lucky that his audience doesn't seem to have any critical thinking skills.
He's on air ranting about how Trump is going to end up leading us into a nuclear war because he's not reigning in Israel as they attack Iran, and in order to drive home this point, he's deciding to play a clip from the 2016 election season where he tried to sensationalize the idea that Hillary wanted to lead us into a nuclear world war.
Alex made that clip to attack Hillary in service of getting Trump into office, something that has been the centerpiece of his content for basically a decade now.
His actions, including making this video arguing that Hillary would start a world war, were done specifically to help Trump win the presidency, and we now see that the end result of that is being on the brink of a world war.
Alex promised the audience that voting for Trump was the way to keep Hillary out of power because if she was in power, then there would be a world war.
But now apparently, Trump isn't the guy who's going to do anything differently, and by playing this video, Alex may as well be screaming at the audience that the past decade of his content has amounted to nothing.
He's been part of a political project that has handed comical levels of power over to billionaires and unaccountable international.
He's a powerful international corporation.
If his audience could think for themselves, they should want to eat him.
Like, it's crazy.
And playing that video is almost like rubbing the audience's face in it.
jordan holmes
I mean, there's the I don't know if there's anything more stark than I warned you this person would do this, so you should choose this person, then this person has done this that I warned you the other person would do.
unidentified
Oops.
jordan holmes
That's the most you can be.
That's the most wrong you can be.
Yeah, but.
That's diametrically wrong.
dan friesen
But is it still Hillary?
jordan holmes
That's like, it's not, I wasn't a little bit off.
Like, that was wrong.
dan friesen
Sure, sure, sure.
But Trump got elected.
Elected, but maybe Hillary's still starting this war with Iran.
jordan holmes
Now, if that's the case, that's actually that should be a very comforting thought.
Because then it's like, well, there's nothing we could have done in the first place.
I've been wasting all my time being angry, so what I should do is go to Hawaii and then, I guess, murder Zuckerberg.
Is that his plan?
dan friesen
Walk in.
jordan holmes
Yes, that's right.
dan friesen
If that's the case too, though, that ad that Alex is playing here shouldn't have ever been a campaign ad.
Yeah.
Because clearly voting had nothing to do with the end result.
jordan holmes
No, it should have been just a warning from Terminator 2 ad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Another one of those before it's time.
dan friesen
Alex used to hang out with the guy who called himself John Connor before he became a member of the team.
jordan holmes
Is he okay?
Is he okay now?
dan friesen
He had a little pickup artist period.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And on So You Can Pitts.
I think he's doing great.
There's a lot of traction on Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah, great.
dan friesen
So what do you think about pizza?
jordan holmes
Like it.
Traditional is good.
Because Michelangelo enjoys it too.
Both the actor or not the actor, never mind.
I'm out.
dan friesen
The actor, the Turtle Actor.
jordan holmes
I blew it.
I blew it.
Yeah.
Sorry.
dan friesen
I am a fan.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Of pizza.
jordan holmes
You are a fan of pizza?
dan friesen
Yeah.
But it turns out.
jordan holmes
Bread cheese, meat.
dan friesen
Love it.
Yeah.
There's a lot we can learn from tracking pizzas.
jordan holmes
Tracking them.
alex jones
You know, they'll tell you people that own pizzashops and liquor stores.
I read it in the news decades ago, but I've asked people at li liquor stores and pizza places, both I frequented in my time, the owners, when do you sell the most product?
What holiday?
And they'll, you know, tell me holiday and then I'll say, What about when we go to war?
War starting.
And they go, Oh, that's the most.
That's when we sell the most liquor, the most pizzas, the most whatever.
Because it's become this American pastime to watch cities bombed and, you know, get drunk and eat pizza or whatever.
Well, this is all coming home economically.
Economically and through sleeper cells probably, or they'll do false flags regardless to legitimize it all.
And maybe a drop assassination to be blamed on Iran.
They've pre-programmed that.
dan friesen
So yeah, man, whenever there's a war starting, people love to get some pizzas and buy booze.
jordan holmes
Isn't it just the Pentagon orders a shit ton of pizza on very specific nights, right?
Like if you cross reference when the Pentagon has ordered a shit ton of pizza and when we are about to go, I mean, we've started a war.
unidentified
Yeah, that's that's the kernel of truth in the text.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Something that goes back to Desert Storm.
Right.
There's a, there's like, people have claimed that an upticket, not just pizza places, but like delivery food places.
jordan holmes
Whatever you like.
dan friesen
Yeah, specifically around the Pentagon and in DC.
Yeah.
It is not something that relates to the entire country.
jordan holmes
Nobody is like, Hey, we started a war, let's order two pizzas.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
It's fun, and it is an interesting metric because there have been data points where it has been shown to be like, Oh, this did align with this.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It's not necessarily something that I think that you could use as a solid predictor.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Of like, Oh my God, increased pizza sales, we're going to war.
jordan holmes
All I say is correlation one hundred percent equals causality and you'll never convince me otherwise.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The thing that I think is fun though is that like Alex has fundamentally misunderstood what this thing is.
jordan holmes
And it's actually like a borderline interesting thing that you could be like, oh yeah, that makes a certain amount of sense.
And also, and instead he's ruined even that interesting tidbit.
dan friesen
Yeah, and the night when Israel launched their operation at Tehran, pizza sales were up anecdotally from shops around the CIA and the Pentagon.
So, like, that's what Alex is responding to.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like a New York Post headline about that.
Yeah.
But he's fundamentally misunderstanding it in order to be like, Oh, you fucks just want to eat pizza and watch bombs.
jordan holmes
Do you know why God invented pizza?
The same reason he did everything else to tell the Jews to knock it off.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So, Tucker and Trump are in a little bit of a fight.
Okay.
Because Tucker has some very strong feelings about, I don't want to do Iraq again.
jordan holmes
Yeah, let's not do Iraq again.
dan friesen
And so, Trump is like, this fucking guy, he needs to get back on cable.
He has no audience.
jordan holmes
Wow.
dan friesen
Criticizing me, what a dick.
jordan holmes
Okay, all right.
It didn't take long.
dan friesen
Alex isn't thrilled.
alex jones
You've got Trump making, you know, statements about Tucker Carlson, who's been such a great supporter.
And, oh, he's a good network show.
He doesn't have an audience.
Nobody listens to him, you know, the classic Trump thing.
And, you know, he says that about CNN.
It's true, not about Tucker.
And it's just, it's a side effect of the fact that Trump, after they tried to kill him and all the rest of it, doesn't give a f.
And that's good with the Democrats, and that's good with him bullheadedly doing the right things he's doing, and that's what's so paradoxical.
Some man is doing stuff securing the border and stopping fentanyl and deporting all these violent criminals and illegal aliens and the rest of it.
dan friesen
So this is such a great Alex stance.
It's good when Trump does his normal asshole routine to the people we don't like, but it's not so fun when he does it to us.
When he bullies CNN, he's saying the truth, but when he says the same things to try to bully Tucker, it's all made up.
This is soft.
This is very weak behavior.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But I think it's interesting that Alex feels this need to equivocate around Trump.
You know, like there's so much shit that's going on that it's like., you see what he's doing, right?
I mean, see's exactly what you're supposed to be against.
And that's why he has to keep retreating back to these things like vague ideas about fentanyl going down or, you know, all these criminals that are being deported.
These are these vague abstractions that he's created hysteria around over the past years.
And he can just be like, well, it feels like those problems are being taken care of.
So let's weigh the good with the bad.
jordan holmes
That's just money.
That's just money, you know?
Like back in the day, this is the idea is simply like, oh, this is what those other people do.
This is when I'm watching a fucking whatever fuck face on TV go like, oh, W is fine, but also I don't like this.
That's what they do.
We don't do that.
We're hardcore here.
Fuck those guys.
You know, we don't do that.
We're above the whole thing.
And now he's like, but Trump is nice sometimes to fuck you.
dan friesen
When he's mean to say something.
jordan holmes
It sounds funny.
dan friesen
Shut up.
jordan holmes
Learn a thing.
dan friesen
It would be nice.
It would be nice.
But you can't.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
Because he didn't care from the beginning.
jordan holmes
There's never been any learning that I could see.
dan friesen
That caring was an act.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So if you're going to have a.
I have, you know, a conversation with a guest about the Iran-Israel conflict.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who do you think would be the worst person you could get?
jordan holmes
I mean, well, barring, of course, Ted Bundy, who you just don't want on your program, and Joe Lieberman, who I think is dead.
dan friesen
He is.
jordan holmes
He is dead.
dan friesen
We've talked about this.
jordan holmes
Is Colin Powell still alive?
dan friesen
I think he is also passed.
jordan holmes
Oh shit.
unidentified
So I'm thinking maybe the top five.
jordan holmes
Okay.
Dick Cheney, no.
dan friesen
That would be a huge swing for Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would be.
dan friesen
That would be a moment where you really have to look in the mirror.
jordan holmes
No, who is it?
dan friesen
Nick Fuentes.
alex jones
Oh great.
jordan holmes
Yeah, of course.
Shit.
dan friesen
So Alex has Nick on, a noted anti Semite and real piece of shit, Nick Fuentes, to talk about the conflict that is brewing between Iraq and Iran.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yeah, bad choice.
jordan holmes
Wild.
alex jones
And it was Nick Fuentes that just said, look, I can't vote for Trump because even though the Democrats are horrible and evil, all the rest of it, at least they at one level listened to the military and said this could potentially cause a nuclear war and at least a collapse.
So we're not going to be for it openly.
Now they are because it's happening.
So I said at the start of the show since then, since then it's on Fox.
By Thursday at the earliest, the latest sometime next week, all the assets are building up.
They're going to start hitting Iran.
First, oh, just a bunker buster to get a new nuclear site we found, which has been known for a decade.
It's, oh, we're not going to direct war, we're just striking them with bunker busters.
Just like, oh, Israel, oh, we're just doing, you know, seven days to take out their missiles and their nuclear.
Oh, actually, Netanyahu said two days ago, we're never stopping, we're not negotiating.
And then as if Trump is his vice president, Trump comes out today and says, unconditional sur means they will allow regime change.
It's just meanwhile, the Israeli newspapers are we're going to hang the ayatollah just like Saddam got hanged by the Shiites they gave him to.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
So we're going to Nick Fuentes over the next two hours.
He's been the most on this predicting it, vindicated and demonized for it.
dan friesen
Now he's demonized for other stuff, but I think that Nick has something that Alex desperately needs right now, and that is that he had a correct conspiracy right wing position.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
He did like he very publicly during the lead up to the 2024 election was like, I don't know how to vote for Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This is ridiculous.
Yeah.
And that, I think, has given some credibility to where he stands right now in this space that Alex is desperately needing, because he is he's standing on jello.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I find it difficult to feel sympathy for people who engage in something that our religions have been talking about.
Like, this is some low-key shit.
Like, oh, you were a liar, but the deal was you're not supposed to lie to me.
I lied.
unidentified
We've been doing this for several thousand years.
jordan holmes
No more of that.
You did it again.
There should be a sign on Trump's side head that says, like, don't believe me, don't believe me.
If you believe me, you're fucking stupid.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Believe me at your own risk.
jordan holmes
I mean, we can tatu things on sleeping people.
dan friesen
Uh, no, no.
jordan holmes
Is that illegal?
dan friesen
You can, it's legal to put their hand in warm water.
jordan holmes
Right.
That's legal.
But we can't just tatu random things on people who are asleep.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
Okay.
jordan holmes
Well, then I guess we're, I'm gonna have to come up with a different idea.
dan friesen
I mean, I think it's very technically assault.
But I don't know if a tattoo has specifically been adjudicated by the Supreme Court.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's practically just a flesh wound.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I also think that you would get arrested for giving someone a flesh wound.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
That's fair.
But hey, what if I didn't charge for it?
That's frankly, he owes me money.
dan friesen
Okay.
I'm not going to untangle this.
So, Nick, I think what he's there to do is essentially take a victory lap at Alex's expense.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
nick fuentes
Well, it's a little bit, I don't want to say bitter sweet because there's nothing sweet about it.
It's a horrible situation and a lot of people are dying.
And obviously the strategic implications for the United States are detrimental and massive.
At the same time, it's like you said a moment ago.
I did not support Trump last year because this was my primary concern.
And I said this last year, I said that I'm not going to vote for a Democrat.
I don't think I'd ever vote for a Democrat.
But unless Trump could give a commitment that we wouldn't end up in exactly this situation, which is a war with Iran, I said I can't vote for him.
You know, and at that time people were saying I was a Democrat plant.
They said I was a Fed.
I was trying to divide the MAGA movement.
I just saw that this was a little bit more likely than a lot of people thought.
And now we're here.
So on the one hand, it's a little bit nice for people to realize, you know, sometimes Chicken Little knows what he's talking about.
Sometimes the low IQ antisemites, you know, maybe there's some truth there.
dan friesen
So when Nick says low IQ antisemite, he's rubbing it in Alex's face.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Previously, Alex had tried to portray Nick and his followers as Israel obsessed people who would blame Jewish people if they stubbed their toe.
All these people they see Israel behind and Jews behind every shadow.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nick knows that Alex has characterized him like this to the audience and honestly, Alex should recognize this as a hostile opening.
Nick has asserted almost complete dominance in the conversation.
But like, I was right to not blindly follow Trump and my antisemitic shadit is right.
How dare you?
jordan holmes
This is exhausting.
I can't imagine being either of the two of them having to do how many times we're going to do power dynamics between these two?
Take a nap.
dan friesen
It's primate behavior.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Just fucking relax, man.
What is it?
But also fuck it.
dan friesen
I honestly find it a bit more fascinating than just about anything else on his show.
Yeah.
Because there's something really primal about it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's something that comes out with this old, over the hill, silverback gorilla type guy.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who's just like, he's got this youngster who's like, I'm., I don't care.
I'm alpha in you.
jordan holmes
I'm seeing the giant sea lion thing that's on the rock with the fifteen women and then Attenborough being like, and the smaller males sneak up.
You know, it's like this is what's happening.
dan friesen
Yeah, wild.
The next generation is here to do a little dance on.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
nick fuentes
So in further rubbing things in Alex's face, I think anyone with eyes to see can understand how the world is breaking apart and destabilizing.
It's going to end in some kind of ultimate conflict that like World War two, on the other side of it will be a new world order.
And not to say like any kind of Illuminati, like New World order Order, like the power dynamics of the globe will be different.
If we had a bipolar world order after World War two between the US and Soviet Union, if we had a unipolar world order after the Cold War led by the United States, at the other side of this war, it will be a multipolar world order, or it might be the Stone Age if it turns into some kind of nuclear escalation.
dan friesen
Tens of millions of Alex's dollars that he's earned in his career come directly from playing clips of George HW Bush saying New World Order.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And Nick Fuentes is saying there will be a New World Order and then explaining why.
the things that all these people like Bush in these clips that Alex plays, why it's not as suspicious as Alex makes it look to be.
Yeah.
That's an insult.
jordan holmes
That is exactly like, to me, that is like, uh, uh, someone going on Carson's couch and saying the f word or just pissing on his couch.
Yeah, well, I mean, sure, there's that.
But I was trying to put it in a more gentle way, like, that is an insult that in the context is even bigger than you can understand.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, like, if you did that, you would cause, like, consequences for his show.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
It would be a nightmare and you would be fucked.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it's like, you know, there's something particularly in a lot of cultures throughout history, there's something that's really offensive about doing something to someone who has welcomed you into their home.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, and like if Carson brings you over to the couch, yeah.
You should behave at the couch.
jordan holmes
You should behave better than you've ever behaved before.
dan friesen
Alex is having you on the show.
Yeah.
Behave a little bit with Alex.
Play this game with him.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
No, fuck it.
jordan holmes
Bobcat Goldtwaite's gonna set your couch on fire, motherfucker.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, um, Alex, uh, knows that Nick's a Nazi.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He knows this.
jordan holmes
He knows we all know he's a Nazi.
dan friesen
Well, based on text messages, uh that he had from Millie Weaver, he knew that Nick and his followers were like fans of Hitler.
Sure, before he even really had Nick on the show back in like years ago.
Right.
And so when Alex says something like this, it's a, it's a heavy thing to say.
alex jones
This is not end well, in my view, for anyone, but especially Israel.
And I predict that you're going to see all the anti-Israel sentiment, and some of it is overblown, some of it is exaggerated.
And, you know, I don't think in general, you know, the average Jews involved in this, there's inner fighting.
But, but I'm not an apologist for Israel.
I wanted Trump to do the right thing as Israel.
Texas to the brink of thermal nuclear war and all the rest of it.
I've you noticed I've just been escalating trying to spot like this so people understand how serious this is.
I want to sell everybody on policies of sanity and not get into identity politics.
But at a certain point they make it so much about identity, you have to operate in that sphere.
And you have to get past any guilt of any group that's criticizing you and just double down.
I think that's the medicine for the disease now.
We crossed that Rubicon last year or so where I was like, Fuentes, you're going too far.
We didn't try to and now it's been pushed so far that no, it's the medicine we need.
unidentified
Oof.
dan friesen
That's bad.
jordan holmes
Smoke'em if you got'em.
dan friesen
Alex knows that Nick's an antisemite, and in that clip, he's explicitly endorsing it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But here's what's fascinating about that clip.
Alex is also saying that Nick is incorrect, and that the bigotry that he's rebranding as identity politics, it's not reflective of reality, but it's what Alex thinks we need.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Basically, the message he's sending is that it's dumb to hate Jewish people, and that's what he thinks will cut down on the possibility of attacking Iran.
So you should do it.
And you shouldn't feel guilty about how people are going to accurately describe your positions as bigot shit once you make this little switch to being politically incorrect.
There's nothing to argue with here because Alex is saying that what he's advocating for is wrong.
The hatred for Israel is often overblown among people he associates with, and a lot of his guests fall into the trap of blaming Jewish people for all of society's problems.
And Alex knows that's bad.
He just doesn't care.
There's nothing to convince him of other than I guess he should care, and that's not happening.
You're never going to convince somebody of that.
If I were Nick in this interview, I would just be laughing my ass off.
I'd be like, you idiot.
jordan holmes
I mean, I wonder if he hasn't said something inexplicable or like accidentally really, really poignant, which is that I think ultimately beneath what he's saying is the reason you didn't do all these things before is because you were afraid of social consequences.
Yes.
Now there are no social consequences.
We have become self sufficient.
And if you offend social consequence people, who cares a fuck, they're they don't live near you.
You're just going to hang out with us and we can all say it to each other.
dan friesen
Yeah, I think that is that is a part of it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that there's another part of it that is just like we have rationalized this enough that now like there's a framework.
where you can trick yourself into thinking you're not being a bigot.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
You're just being the only way you can be, like, play defense against the people who are bigotted against you.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
And it's kind of gross.
So, Nick, I think he gets the message and that it's just like, speak freely.
Just whatever.
Anything goes now.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick fuentes
Well, it's shocking the way they played the victim, you know, and I think that should give everybody a lot of pause whenever the Holocaust is invoked and the victim status for it's like watching Emperor Palpatine in Star Wars, you know, we're too weak, we're too sponsoring terrorism.
We have to take them out.
We have to go after Iran, Libya, Iraq, every country in the whole world.
Help me get on the other side.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick fuentes
It's literally, so yeah, I don't, you can't trust him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So we can just do Holocaust Denial on InfoWars now, and Alex will do voices and play along with you, and it's all good fun.
jordan holmes
I guess so.
dan friesen
You can't for a second pretend Alex doesn't know what Nick is saying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He understands this entirely.
He's making an active choice to be like, This flies now.
Let's get Ye back on the show.
Let's get Ye back on the show.
show.
Let's let them do this.
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Yeah, I wonder if they've I mean, yeah, I think it's inadvertently learning a weakness of social consequences, which is ultimately you can only face social consequences if you accede to them.
So the only people who are going to be affected by social consequences are people who believe that social consequences can come to them.
So their enemy, so to speak, is now destined to destroy itself because they have refused to let anything divide them now.
Now there's not just, you know, that's just how consequences work.
If you can't face them upon anyone, they're not really a useful tool for them.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Right.
They may not be or you need to readjust how those social consequences work.
And maybe there's a possible avenue that that could be explored, but also I think that you don't have to worry about them being indivisible.
Sure.
I think they will create social consequences for each other internally as we've seen very recently about the Epstein.
unidentified
Right.
Right.
jordan holmes
No, that's what they're that's what they would do if they were capable of it.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But they will, within their own communities.
It's the same thing where we've talked to a bunch before.
Like if they were ever successful in creating a white nationalist, whites only utopia, they would kick out the red haired people.
There would be some division that they would end up needing to create, because otherwise shit doesn't work.
Yep.
So this is another little bit of a Nick, just kind of rubbing Alex's faces.
jordan holmes
Oh yeah.
alex jones
But when it comes to Israel and the Jews and all that, I just want to fight policies, whoever is running them, whoever the globalists are, for a big ten.
I understand other people having other angles.
It's just that then other people want to make it all incenuary.
If you know how Israel's really worked, they did hundreds of bombings against themselves after World War two in Europe, the Middle East, Spain, you name it, to bomb synagogues to make Jews run to Israel.
You had Madeleine Albright's father working with Hitler to round up and robb Jews, you know, Soros, all of it.
So there's also if you attack Israel in a full, broad attack in my experience, most of the Jews are not in that thing, then they get persecuted and they actually believe their controllers that are a cult within a cult, feeding off of them.
That's been my perspective.
And there are other crime syndicates and groups out there.
And so my view is just oppose the policies and we can somehow stop it.
But now it's a runaway train.
nick fuentes
Yes, that's an apt description.
It is a runaway train.
I don't think anyone can put the brakes on it.
That's what's scary.
Not America, not Russia, not China, not Iran.
Nobody can seem to put the brakes on the train.
Somebody tried a long time ago, but not now, or just off the rails.
There's only now a way out of it.
alex jones
Darth Beebe is about to be the Emperor of the Planet.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Do you think for a second Alex doesn't get exactly what he's saying?
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
unidentified
So I think you're so fucking hot shit.
jordan holmes
God damn it.
unidentified
Well, ugh.
dan friesen
I mean, look.
And look, I think obviously that is a little bit annoying and kind of tacky.
But if you're someone like Nick, you have largely conquered Alex.
jordan holmes
Yeah, you have to do it.
Yeah, you have to do it.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's got to feel really good to make up with Hitler kind of references.
For sure.
Deny the Holocaust on Alex's show to his face after he has grudgingly introduced you as like an expert who was right about this stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like it's just rubbing your face in it.
And Alex doesn't need to do this.
He's doing it as a he's a ch choice.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, I don't know exactly what it felt like to be a Pictish warrior holding an axe, lifting your kilt and wagging your penis at the other army, but I imagine it's very similar to that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's very similar energy.
jordan holmes
It has to be.
Yeah, very much so.
dan friesen
So Nick says another thing that I thought was a little bit, come on, man.
nick fuentes
Okay.
I also think we need to look at how people like Elon and Trump, they have been sort of used as a Trojan horse in a certain sense because with Trump, you get a lot of the neocons in the White House.
With Elon, you get a lot of the Palantir people.
You know, they talked about this Palantirr database they're putting together, and it's being put together by holdovers from Doge.
So I think that, you know, Elon and Trump, they both kind of have this Faustian Aryan thing going for them.
You know, they're reaching for the sky.
Elon wants to be multiplanetary.
Trump wants to fix America, but they and their own teams have been subverted.
dan friesen
Faustian Aryan thing.
I mean, it's just it's pretty over.
It's pretty fucking over.
jordan holmes
I've done what?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
What are you going to do?
dan friesen
I mean, I don't know what more you could do other than like Alex is still trying to do a little pretending that he's talking about Israel.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As opposed to like he's trying to not fully make it clear.
He knows exactly what Nick is talking about.
jordan holmes
I would like to now that we are here, I think now is the time.
A lot of these conversations that people are having, very difficult, very difficult.
I think we should stop, go back and relitigate whether or not violent video games are ruining children.
Sure.
Because I think we can win that one.
Now I think we've got that one.
Because if I look out at the world, it wasn't violent video games that did it.
You know what I'm saying?
dan friesen
Maybe we should, uh, relitigate two live crews.
jordan holmes
I think so too.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We have to go back to those first years of Fox News like Time Travelers and be like, you all, you have no idea what's coming for you.
dan friesen
You assholes band Sir Mixolot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And by you assholes I also mean like Tipper Gore.
So don't get me wrong, it's not all Republicans.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, you're all going to be bumping to wet ass pussy in thirty years.
Get over it.
Get over it.
And then we won't be there in thirty years.
Wild.
dan friesen
So they take some calls.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And surprisingly, they get a call from Israel.
Uh, yeah.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Allegedly.
Connection's pretty good.
I have no reason to doubt this person.
Okay.
But it doesn't go great.
jordan holmes
Oh.
alex jones
Let's go to Mike and Israel, Israeli Army, dual citizen.
Israel is our ally.
Mike, thanks for calling in.
We really appreciate your view on things.
What's your take on this?
jack in texas
I've listened to you for a long time.
I'm a dual citizen.
I grew up in Tyler, Texas, so my mom is Israeli, Roman Catholic, and I live in Nazareth.
I'm currently on active duty, and I'm going to tell you, I used to have the views that you guys have.
America first, you know, don't get involved in stuff with Israel until I came over here and lived here with my family.
And I saw how much these Muslims want to destroy not just Israelis.
They want to destroy everyone that is not their religion.
They're truly possessed.
These people want to murder children and you get a whole new perspective when you've lived in Israel as long as I've lived here twelve years now.
And I'm currently up on the Golan Hype fighting for my country and well, Mike, let's be clear.
alex jones
Let's be clear.
The average Jew I've ever known has been a really smart, nice person.
And I don't support Hezbollah.
I don't support the Muslims.
I don't support the Mullahs.
I understand that the Jihadists are nasty.
That said, Netanyahu just put Al Qaeda in charge with Turkey and others.
Netanyahu, his boss before him created Hamas.
So the CIA put the Mullahs in or helped them in 1979.
Do you get my point about why does the West continue to set up radical Jihadists so they can knock them down later?
How do you respond to that?
jack in texas
Absolutely.
That's a historical fact.
But you have to remember from the Israeli, from the Musad perspective, they do that to get control from the inside.
Mossad has completely infiltrated Iran right now.
They're doing their best to hunt down the Mullahs and kill them quietly, but because of all the missiles and stuff going back, it's they, everyone knows what's going on, so it's got to change to a different kind of warfare.
Also, Alex, I'm not a Jew, I'm Roman Catholic.
I just wanted to say that.
alex jones
Okay, so now I understand there's a lot of Christians that have gone just like you got foreign fighters in Ukraine on both sides, North Koreans, you name it.
Nick, you want to respond to Mike and Israel?
nick fuentes
That guy's definitely a Jew.
jordan holmes
I was going to say that's got to be the answer.
That's got to be the answer.
nick fuentes
Destroy everyone else.
alex jones
Yeah.
nick fuentes
They accuse everyone else of what they themselves are Nazis.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's, come on.
alex jones
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I should have been the first thing you should have thought you were going to hear out of him was, Oh, he's obviously a Jew.
dan friesen
It was a low-handed pitch right over home play.
jordan holmes
Right there.
nick fuentes
That's great.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
This caller has an interesting angle, which is that Alex doesn't hate Muslims enough.
I would say that Alex has that base fully covered, but maybe this caller's expectations are different than mine.
This was the first point in the interview that I felt like Alex was getting to see Nick's less polished side come out.
When he says that that caller is definitely a Jew, I felt like okay man, this is not your your hot dog in a little too sure sure sure sure sure sure sure I think this is because the caller said that his mom was Israeli but if you go back and listen to the start of the call he clearly identifies that his mom is Roman Catholic.
The caller obviously did this because he knows that he's talking to a very serious antisemite and he wanted to make sure that Nick didn't think that he was Jewish because Nick hates Jewish people.
Right.
This is pretty fucking insane to just be happening on Infowars.
Nick has been making cool edgy Hitler references and engaging in explicit Holocaustust denial.
And now this is just a fine way to interact with a guest on the show.
Like, I know that the shit was never good to begin with.
Yeah, but this is bad.
jordan holmes
I think that is revealing of one fundamental misunderstanding of bigotry that most people on the wrong end of it have of, like, oh, you hate me for a thing.
And I am that thing because I am that thing.
When really bigotry is I am defining you as that thing.
I don't give a fuck what you think you are.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I'm only one eighth Jew.
Like, I give a shit.
You're Jewish to me, buddy.
Like, that's where the one drop of blood go laws come from during the civic, you know, like this is what's happening.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You don't have a choice whether you want to or not.
You can convert away from Judaism.
Not to me though.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
For someone like Nick, and what that moment is revealing is the way that this is not about a definition.
It's about a reason to exclude.
Yeah.
It's about a reason to block people out of your in group.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or specifically put them into your out group.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I have a green card.
Not today you don't, because I decide you don't.
It never had anything to do with what you needed to do.
It had everything to do with me deciding out of the country legally.
dan friesen
Am I?
jordan holmes
Am I?
Not to me.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So this may be quite literally the definition of faint praise.
But Nick has this response to the caller where he has decided, Nah, you're definitely Jewish.
And I think that Alex at least is like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, why are you saying that?
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Why are you making such a scandalous accusation on my program?
Wow.
Which is probably not the best way to go about it, but at least it's sort of pushback.
alex jones
I'm not disagreeing with you on the overall issue, but there are a lot of Christians that go over and join Israel.
How do you know this guy's Jewish?
nick fuentes
and Catholics don't.
Protestants might go and do that but not Catholics.
jordan holmes
There he goes.
nick fuentes
Because the Catholic Church doesn't, I mean, there's some debate within the church, but Catholic Church is not super pro-Israel.
They have been advocating for an end to the war in Palestine.
alex jones
Well, you'd have your statement, but very fast, Mike, respond back to him saying that you're Jewish.
jack in texas
No, I'm not Jewish.
My parish is the Basilica of the Annunciation in Nazareth, where Saint Gabriel announced to the Blessed Mother that she would be the Mother of God.
I am Roman Catholic and I fight in the idea of Israel.
nick fuentes
Are you Jewish?
unidentified
My mother said that for years.
jack in texas
Don't tell me I'm a Jew.
I'm not a Jew.
nick fuentes
Happily Jewish?
jack in texas
I'm in Israel and I defend my country.
alex jones
I defend my So they let people that aren't Jewish join in?
dan friesen
You stand accused of being Jewish.
How do you plead?
jordan holmes
I listen, what?
This is funny, but not in a good way.
dan friesen
It's funny because this is fucking insane.
jordan holmes
Identical to a radio broadcast you could probably hear in Germany in 1929.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
One hundred percent identical.
Like, oh, are you sure you want to call this guy a Juden?
And it's like, not on a radio.
Do you want to get this man hurt?
Like, this is crazy.
dan friesen
Sounds like a Jewishish person to me.
jordan holmes
Fuck it out.
dan friesen
Unbelievable.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
So I get that Nick's accusation that this caller is Jewish is out of the least field and is reflective of his inherent anti Semitic worldview, but Alex is missing the forest for the trees here.
He should be concerned with Nick's outburst, not with whether or not this caller is secretly Jewish.
How should Alex's position on this caller's point change whether he's a Jewish person in Israel or a Roman Catholic person in Israel saying the same thing?
How is that relevant to responding to the point?
I mean, it seems very important to Alex, which is weird.
It should be super important to Nick because he hates Jewish people.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But Alex is supposed to just be like a I don't agree with Israel type of guy.
He's not wild.
Oh well.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
It's not great that Alex is surprised that someone who's not Jewish can join the IDF.
He doesn't seem to know too much about this stuff and that's great.
He should also be super worried about Nick insisting this guy is ethnically Jewish as the clip goes on.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Nick generally tries to keep up a cool facade where he doesn't hate Jewish people because of their ethnicity.
He just doesn't like that the Talmud is mean to Jesus.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Moments like this kind of let that mask slip, which I guess Alex endorses now.
Because if he's like, are you Jewish?
No, I'm Roman Catholic.
Are you ethnically Jewish?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
What are you talking about now?
jordan holmes
I mean, again, it's like it goes back to this, like, within the outgroup, the distinctions are very important because they're your group.
You're the in group in the in group, you know, where your distinctions between, oh, this is a person who is grown, this is orthodox, this is yada yada, you know, all these different things outside of the outgroup or the in group, you can be whatever the fuck I say you are.
You're not in my group.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
And when Nick says that like Catholics are on his side of this, right.
It's because he is like a Vatican 2 type of gu guy.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He doesn't believe that the Pope is official because they apologized about the Holocaust.
jordan holmes
You know, they still got mad about the Inquisition and I think they had some good ideas.
And I'll tell you what, they didn't particularly care if you were ethnically Jewish or not.
dan friesen
Yeah, so when he says like the Catholic Church has this position, he means the Catholic Church that he adheres to, which is the antisemitic fringe, Mel Gibson's dad branch of the Catholic Church.
jordan holmes
The Convert or Burn Catholic Church, that classic one.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I thought this was a pathetic demonstration.
I think that Alex should be ashamed.
I understand he's down in the dumps because Trump is turning out to be real shit.
And it kind of makes the last ten years of his life look bad.
Sure.
That's not an excuse for this though.
On one level, it's not an excuse to turn Nazi.
But then on the other hand, it's not an excuse to do a public humiliation ritual, a groveling to Nick Fuentes, this weasily little twenty year old fuck.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is, it is so hard to realize, like one of the hardest things to listen to, listening to this for me is like.
It's like, this is not how a child speaks to me.
You know what I mean?
Like, I can't believe Alex is letting you talk to me like that.
You don't speak to me in that tone of voice, young man.
Like, I can't imagine having a conversation with this kid the way he's talking.
dan friesen
Well, and especially if you're someone who has like decades of a career, a lot of that career depends on walking this thin line and this thin ice of like, I don't mean Jewish when I say globalist.
I don't mean Jewish when I say globalist.
I swear, when that is something that you have such a history of when this twenty year old Dick is coming in and just sort of torpedoing down that wall, breaking that ice.
You shouldn't.
You shouldn't be going along with him.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Falling in that ice.
jordan holmes
See, and it's his fault because you've got him on in what he thinks is his fountain or his like, uh, fortress of solitude, which is like the Jews did it, you know, like it's, which is very great.
Good work.
Uh, but he's a twenty year old kid and he's talking to you about a multipolar post, uh, fucking Cold War world.
Shut the fuck up.
You don't know anything.
You were born after the Iraq war started.
Shut the up.
Well, about your multipolar knowledge.
unidentified
Fuck off.
jordan holmes
I don't know, I don't know, college, fuck off.
dan friesen
Sure.
But yeah, Alex can't really afford to do that.
jordan holmes
Can't really afford to do that.
dan friesen
Oh well.
So the two of them have a great time.
And, uh, whoof, what a mess.
goblin in texas
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we jumped to the eighteenth.
And now by this point, Alex is really bummed.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He's, he's It's a rough, it's been a rough few days.
dan friesen
Shit.
jordan holmes
We're not good.
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's the world is going to probably be on fire in a few days.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Tucker had his interview with Ted Cruz.
I don't know if you saw that.
jordan holmes
I did not see that.
Why did he do that?
dan friesen
Well, the real question is why did Ted Cruz do that?
jordan holmes
That's what I was thinking, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, because it was him falling into a series of traps that Tucker has set up for him.
And it is, it was, yeah.
If I were Ted Cruz, I would be putting a hit out on Tucker.
It made him look so bad.
jordan holmes
I mean, boy, it is, it is never, it is never going to surprise me even a little bit how many people are just willing to not do homework for a show and just will show up.
Like, if I'm Ted Cruz talking to Tucker Carlson now, I'm, I'm like brushing up.
unidentified
Man.
jordan holmes
That guy wants to get scalps.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
You'd also have a pretty good reason to think you're walking into a safe environment.
jordan holmes
I'm sure.
dan friesen
Like, that might be hubris.
jordan holmes
That's why I don't trust nobody.
dan friesen
It was a miscalculation on his part.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so that cheers Alex up a little bit, but it's not enough.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
The shit is just bleak.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But then there is, you know, a little bit of sun poking out.
Yeah.
And that comes in the form of Cash Patel.
jordan holmes
Oh, God, this is not going to go well.
dan friesen
Well, it is for today.
It's not later.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
No.
Alex is going to turn against Cash Patel pretty hard.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
But for now, he has proven that the 2020 election was stolen.
alex jones
A story broke yesterday and worse came out today that we actually covered and broke part of during the 2020 theft of the election.
And this is something really positive Kash Patel has done.
And when he releases all these incredible documents on a routine basis, Crossfire, Hurricane, you name it, it gets almost no attention.
Even in the Liberty Movement, the populist movement, because we already know a lot of this.
So we just go, okay, that's an old story.
Yeah, but it's the actual proof and even more details.
But the communist Chinese government, listen to me, I'm getting chills right now.
jordan holmes
Chills.
alex jones
On record.
through the Carnegie Endowment and the CIA.
jordan holmes
A lot of C's.
alex jones
Shipped in.
Millions of fake ballots.
jordan holmes
From North Korea.
alex jones
For the mules at the distribution centers in the battleground states.
And then the White House had already created a group to oversee that at DHS to make sure that no one would report on it and to block anyone that reported it.
Total premeditation.
With all these big agencies working against the American people.
dan friesen
So you have a government that's run by dipshits, which is always true to varying extents, but more so now than ever.
And this government is particularly full of a specific kind of dipshit, the former right wing media figure dipshit.
The top two guys at the FBI are people whose previous careers were being right wing media shit talkers.
Because they come from that world, they know how to engage with it, and they know more or less how to placate the players within it, like an Alex.
They've done a really good job of this, with the exception of anything involving Jeffrey Epstein.
The whole PR stunt where they gave a bunch of their old friends from the right wing dipshit media binders and pretended they were releasing bombs.hells to them, that was a really good effort, but it fizzled out and at the present day, this has become a huge disaster for them.
But at this point, on june eighteenth, Cash Patel is throwing meatballs right over home plate for these folks to swing at.
He tweeted out, quote, The FBI has located documents which detail alarming allegations related to the twenty twenty US election, including allegations of interference by the CCP.
It's not proof of anything, but instead, it's just an alarming allegation.
And Patel's tweet doesn't include any evidence.
It's just this statement and a screenshot of a blog post about a conspiracy.
about China shipping in fake IDs that were going to be used to sway the election.
As NBC news coverage of this story points out, quote, the unsubstantiated claim promoted by Patel, which an unidentified confidential human source gave to the FBI in twenty twenty during Donald Trump's first term, asserts that the Chinese mass produced drivers' licenses were to be used in a mail in ballot scheme.
The only thing backing this story up is an august twenty twenty seizure of about nineteen thousand fake IDs, many of which came from Hong Kong or China.
The Trump media went to work arguing that these were for stealing the election.
But that's pretty stupid.
There is a big industry for fake IDs in the US because underage people want to go to bars.
Fake IDs are great for that, but they're not enough to get you registered to vote.
Like when you flash your ID to a bouncer, they're not checking your information against a database, then only letting you into the bar if it matches up with what's on their computer.
They don't do that.
That's why fake IDs work at bars.
And generally, the person might be drunk themselves or not give a shit.
jordan holmes
Everybody's fairly motivated to only be aware of a fake ID if it's bad enough or if you're bad enough at flashing it.
dan friesen
Right, and as someone who's worked in those industries, you can't get in trouble if you check someone's ID and they give you a fake ID.
Yeah.
So as long as you're giving someone an ID, most of the time, right.
They're not going to really care that much.
jordan holmes
Because who am I?
Am I the ID know where now?
I'm a bouncer.
I'm here to cause, solve problems if they arise.
I'm not here to like, oh, this is from Carl, the guy who makes fake IDs down the street.
That's not my job.
dan friesen
If they have a comically mismatched ID, then you might get in trouble.
Sure.
But as long as you do a good faith effort, then it's okay.
Then you're not going to get into trouble.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That's why fake IDs work there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
That is not the same for voting.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
It's not the same for traveling, getting on planes and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
People don't want you out there.
dan friesen
No, the good faith standard really only applies to this bar setting.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, because we all kind of think that the whole drinking age is bullshit anyway.
But you know, whatever.
dan friesen
And people who are looking to flout that are really motivated.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
They're really into going into that bar.
jordan holmes
More motivated than I am in keeping them out.
And so ultimately that kind of disparity is going to win.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Nature abhors vacuums or something.
jordan holmes
Something along those lines.
dan friesen
So there's no proof here, but by signaling to this old conspiracy while occupying the office of the head of the FBI., Patel knows that he's giving official backing to whatever dumb bullshit folks like Alex will come up with, and that's good for keeping all these dumb shits busy.
This five year old tip about fake IDs is now being reported by Alex as proof that China used the Carnegie Foundation to send a ton of ballots in to steal the election.
Like, he's created these ballots and he goes on about this and he's talking about how, like, oh, there's proof of these Chinese people getting off planes.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
With ballots, millions of ballots.
jordan holmes
Okay, so here I am.
I'm like mid level guy.
I'm shooting my shot though.
I'm trying to make it to the next level.
I'm trying to get there.
So I'm taking this idea I have to fuck with the United States elections to my superiors at the Politburo or whatever.
I don't know what it is anymore.
To just to She, I'm just walking up to She with a binder and I'm like, Buddy, check out this plan.
Do you think he reads that plan and goes, Yep, millions of dollars going your way?
dan friesen
Yeah, he says, he says, for sure.
Also, I have to catch a plane to Minnesota and put on a rubber mask.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
She's busy.
jordan holmes
I, yeah, no, no, for so many reasons, guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, you're fired.
This is dumb.
Yeah.
So, Alex, he's done some soul searching.
And maybe some things need to change with his plan his relationship with Trump?
Sure.
And he makes a statement.
jordan holmes
Any moment now, any moment.
dan friesen
He makes a statement about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Because I've done a lot of soul searching on this.
And people are very tribal.
People either want to say, you're for Trump, you're against Trump.
I will be for Trump on good things he's doing, and I will oppose bad things.
That's what you're supposed to do.
And I'm very grateful he's in office and not the Democrats, because they are the mega cancer and in war literally with our basic values and are promoting every form of transgender pedophile open border globalism you can imagine.
And Trump is really ramping up deportations.
I was, I needed to get to work this morning.
I was coming in to work out first.
I got a gym here at the office.
And I saw the state police in Ice, right when you turn in on the road to our office, with a truck load of what were probably illegals being put in handcuffs.
It was a large Ford double cab truck.
And they had their mask on, the Ice.
And I was, I almost pulled over and got some video.
And I was just, no, I have to get to work.
dan friesen
Plus, everyone knows it's going on so funny to imagine that Alex Jones comes across government agents in face masks stopping vehicles and apprehending people, and he's telling this story as a positive thing.
He thought about taking video of it, but not to make a documentary about how the police state is upon us.
He wanted to record the event so he could shut the people up who are saying that Trump isn't deporting enough non white people.
That's crazy.
He can't act like this.
And like how can he not like for a minute give the appearance of being like, man, I'm worried the people are gonna just realize that I'm contradicting my entire career.
Like how can you not be scared in that moment.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
I don't know.
I think there's something weird with these people that I don't understand, which is an overwhelming confidence but a unwillingness to like it's not real, okay?
And I'll tell you how I know it's not real confidence because real confidence eventually requires a heat check.
Like if Steph Curry is hitting four or five heat three years in a row that are all consistent, he's got to take one that's like, am I actually made of superpowers today?
It's got to be a heat check, you know.
dan friesen
I was in NBA, Jam, I'm on fire.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, I'm on fire.
Like Trump should be like, eh, I was a, I was in those lists.
What are you going to do about it?
Heat check, you know, that's confidence.
Alex being like, None of this makes any fucking sense.
I don't care.
Follow him, don't follow him.
We're going to move on with our lives.
dan friesen
You know what?
I think that down this road is hubris.
jordan holmes
It is absolutely hubris.
dan friesen
And I think that it's folly.
But I think more what you're seeing is like, This guy is a fucking supplement salesman.
He knows that enough people are going to be tricked by whatever placebo shit.
Like, hey, if I sell five hundred orders of this shit, maybe two people will be mad.
Who cares a shit?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, he just knows.
It doesn't matter.
Maybe two or three people are going to be like, Hey man, isn't this the police state?
Weren't you mad about the Department of Transportation being on the road and now you're fine with federal agents in masks putting people in a truck in handcuffs that you think are probably immigrants?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like maybe a couple of people will get pissed off about it in the audience, but the other 490, you know, whatever, they're fine.
jordan holmes
It's supposed to be like for him, it's supposed to be important.
It's supposed to be real.
It's supposed to be more important.
And for this to be what it is, like to hear him say, like, I'll like what he likes and I'll oppose what I don't like, is the same as admitting, like, I don't like it.
like it when the Cubs traded away Schwarber.
I loved Kyle Schwarber.
I thought he was great on the Cubs.
I didn't.
I'm not going to stop it.
I'm not going to like, and now we've changed the, you know, it's just supposed to eat it.
dan friesen
This is supposed to be about principle, not fandom.
And it turns out it's about fandom.
jordan holmes
It's just fandom.
dan friesen
So as for that Trump thing though, like, I guess it's good that Alex is going to say that good things are good and bad things are bad.
But I don't know why this is a revelation that needed soul searching to come to, right?
Shouldn't that be what he's always done?
Or is this an accidental confession that up to this point he's going to call good things good and bad things bad as if that's a change in behavior.
Like, previously he was saying that bad things were good.
Inquiring minds get a little suspicious about this because it's a little too obvious.
jordan holmes
Like, it seems like what he is trying to imply that he is going to do is no longer say Trump is doing 150% of what we like.
He's only doing 85% of what we like.
dan friesen
Yeah, and she might be 70.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Which is the same now.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, he's terrorizing a lot of the people that I want to terrorize.
jordan holmes
Right, which is good.
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I know that that wouldn't come about without him.
jordan holmes
That's good.
He's probably going to terrorize people that I don't want him to terrorize though.
So that's bad.
dan friesen
Yeah, but it's a necessary compromise that we're just going to need to make.
jordan holmes
Right, but he's going to bomb people that I don't want him to bomb too.
And that's good or bad.
Wait, what what do I believe?
dan friesen
I believe that children are the future.
Treat them well and let them lead the way.
jordan holmes
I don't know why I felt that coming from you.
dan friesen
I couldn't remember exactly what the next line was.
So, Alex, he had a theory.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He has.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it's a good one.
And that is that, hey, listen up.
Every time there's a false flag that gets us into a war, what's involved?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Water.
It's always boats.
These boats that get us into trouble.
Boats.
jordan holmes
I mean...
dan friesen
Sinking of the Lusitania.
jordan holmes
I...
dan friesen
USS Liberty.
jordan holmes
I guess I don't have enough information to dispute that.
It's always boats.
dan friesen
Alex thinks there's a boat situation on our side.
jordan holmes
There's got to be a boat somewhere.
alex jones
So all the forces are in the final positioning stages.
We're hitting them with bunker busters.
They respond, hit our bases, even if they don't, someone will false flag, you know that.
We have a lot of countries with Iranian militias in them that we have bases in, so it can easily be done and they can be blamed on them.
But I think knowing the Iranians, they will hit our bases.
They will attack the aircraft carriers, so there will be no need to false flag them.
And now they've got the Nimitz up front, skunning around there in the Gulf right by the Iranians, it was supposed to be decommissioned next month.
Just, hey, don't I look pretty?
Don't you want to hit me with a torpedo?
Or with a gunboat?
Or with ballistic missiles.
And remember the Germans, the Austrian Hungarian Empire put ads in the New York Times during World War One saying the Lusitania is carrying weapons from the United States to the British Empire and do not sail on it because starting after this date we're going to sink it.
And that date passed for a few months and still the Germans didn't sink it.
And then famously they had to just drive back and forth in front of the U-boats.
And then the Kaiser said, Sink that son of bitch.
And then, oh my God, you sunk our ship.
We're coming into World War One.
unidentified
Come on, bud.
alex jones
And the Russians have discovered intelligence that the Ukrainians are planning to put a false flag on a US ship in the Baltic.
jordan holmes
How would that make any sense?
alex jones
And how do we get into the Spanish American War, 1898?
dan friesen
Boats.
alex jones
Blowing up the main.
dan friesen
Boats.
alex jones
How do we get into Vietnam officially, 1864, Gulbotonkin?
unidentified
Boats.
alex jones
USS Liberty was a failed false flag because the ship wouldn't sink.
jordan holmes
It's just easier to blow up a ship.
alex jones
The Iranians are going to attack the Nemitz.
dan friesen
It's all about the boats.
It's always a boat.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Yeah, the sea is an untamed territory.
jordan holmes
I wonder if all of those boats aren't actually completely useless in any kind of real situation, because anything that you can hack is ultimately the weak point, right?
So like they have to be completely unhackable, which can you even do?
dan friesen
I don't know about completely, but I think you can get pretty close.
I think that, yeah, I think military systems are dangerous.
Sure.
jordan holmes
dangerous we shouldn't be allowing people to have these machines so okay um yeah if i understand you correctly yeah they should all just go in canoes uh yeah i think ultimately either you hack any plane either we're gonna have to to turn off the lights to fight but Larry and Jihad kind of situation because people want to fight i guess for some reason and then they can fight in a way that will allow or we're just gonna use computers to hit each other from a distance
dan friesen
that's no fun nobody wants to do that yeah i don't know if hitting people in the dark is that fun either um hey listen i'm not advocating hitting people in the dark yeah i don't i don't i don't know if if sitting and attacking people with computers is that different than, you know, drones have been around for quite a while.
jordan holmes
But I mean, the fight is for the people who want to fight, you know, but they're not actually fighting.
Now they're convincing people to, like, type, type, type.
dan friesen
So what it sounds like to me is that you're arguing that violent video games ruined the world.
jordan holmes
I think maybe because those kids need to learn how to fight.
I think you're right.
We kept them inside for too long.
Now we're all going to die because of that.
So interestingly, you know, I don't think I changed my opinion from earlier.
I think they were right.
dan friesen
I'm glad we relitigated that.
jordan holmes
There we go.
dan friesen
So this seems to be a big theory that Alex is running with in this episode, that the USS Nimitz is being put out to sea as a ploy to get someone along with Iran to attack it.
So we create this justification for a larger scale war.
It's an interesting theory and it's always about the boats.
And it made me think of something.
It reminded me very strongly of something that I had heard recently.
alex jones
Goblin from Texas, you're on the air.
unidentified
Go ahead.
goblin in texas
Yes, sir.
This is just one blessing to be on the air with you, sir.
I've been waiting a while.
I feel like the Holy Spirit has led me to just say this because I don't think anyone's really had a similar experience or has similar information.
So I think that, one, we already are past the brink of total war.
I think that the options are very limited, and the only way that we get out of this is all ahead, backstop.
We need to stop now.
And I think the way that they're going to false flag us into this is they're going to go after the Nemets.
I think that they're going to pull a USS Liberty.
If you look back in history, the way they've gotten involved, the U.S. involved in World Wars since World War I, has been submarine warfare.
You had— It's all about the boats.
jordan holmes
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, hold the fucking phone, hold the fuck.
jordan holmes
The 911.
What are we doing?
dan friesen
It's a plane but a boat.
jordan holmes
I guess I retract my statement.
dan friesen
Air boat.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
I mean, I just Bruce Goose.
I feel like we, I feel like his most important false flag was 911, right?
unidentified
Directly related to his Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Not like in the grand scheme of the universe, but for him specifically, he's identifiable as the 911 was an inside job guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, which is definitely Israel did it now, by the way.
Things have changed a little bit for Alex.
He's really into Israel having done it.
jordan holmes
Al, there we go.
dan friesen
No, sure, that wasn't a boat.
But the rest of'em.
jordan holmes
But that Okay, never mind.
You know what?
I gotta Yeah, I'm fine.
I'm fine.
And they're all boats, even in the sky.
dan friesen
Alex thinks that the 777 attacks on the London Underground Yeah, yeah.
That was also a false flag.
jordan holmes
Those were under boats.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Train boats.
jordan holmes
Train boats.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So anyway, Alex is just stealing a theory from the day before.
This caller was on the 777.
jordan holmes
The day before.
dan friesen
Goblin from Texas came calling in a week.
told him about the Nimitz and writ it down.
It's always boats.
unidentified
Ugh.
dan friesen
Just turns around, flips it.
jordan holmes
That is, that is an impressive turnaround time.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So on this eighteenth, this episode, Alex gets a little bit mad.
And I think part of the reason is because Trump sucks.
And then the other part is because his dad's getting sued.
And I feel really bad about, I'm not going to play a bunch of clips of him complaining about his dad getting sued.
Sure.
Because he's doing this like, my dad had a heart attack and they know that and they're coming after him.
They're going to kill him.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
They're trying to kill my d and I don't know what his dad's health situation is and it really bums me out.
jordan holmes
I'm sure that if Bernie Madoff had a heart attack, people would say, ah, he had a heart attack, but he also stole a billion dollars.
So fuck that guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
Look, I'm not trying to defend Alex's father.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He sucks.
But like, I think that it's just gross to hear Alex talking this way, trying to exploit his family's health situation.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
And I don't want any part of it.
Yeah.
But I do want all this where Alex pretends that he's making the air in the studio cold.
alex jones
And I've never, at a gut cellular level, been this shameless.
Sick to my stomach.
I mean, I'm sick to my stomach right now.
And I'm someone the most terrible stuff happens, that doesn't happen.
I've got really serious nerves.
Ice water most of the time in my veins.
I mean, I let myself get angry.
It's real when I get energetic and make a point, but I allow myself.
jordan holmes
It sounds like something that's real.
alex jones
To illustrate that and have the energy a lot of times so I can keep working.
So it's all real, but I'm cold as ice at the bottom line for the truth.
And I can't suppress my literal nausea right now because the danger is so huge.
Just like I told you last Tuesday, I said, it's going down.
We're going to hit Iran.
You can feel it.
Look at the Grim Reaper standing behind me.
It's like 50 below in here right now.
unidentified
Oh.
Ah!
*breath* you
alex jones
That's me allowing my psychic connection to the Holy Spirit to let myself go ahead and just open the gate to the ethereal.
And now it's 30, 40 below in here and here I can feel the temperature dropping literally right now.
That's death.
jordan holmes
That was a good time to play him out of here.
Yeah, I like that.
unidentified
Mmm.
jordan holmes
Some cool jazz for you.
alex jones
Oh my god.
Whatever you do, get the word out, Paul Reverez.
Only the truth can set us free.
We'll be right back to you.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
unidentified
That even sounded like a loud singer.
jordan holmes
Only the truth could set us free.
Okay.
dan friesen
This is my Paul Reverez.
jordan holmes
That is next when I roll.
dan friesen
Tweet out links to my show.
You cool cats.
jordan holmes
Oh my god.
dan friesen
Yeah, so that vibe is perfect.
Honestly, if he hadn't done that plug at the end and just would have rid out the, uh, the New Jazz, yeah.
To the break with him talking about how the Holy Spirit is making it cold in the room.
Because he started thinking about ice water in my veins.
Yeah.
He started thinking about that.
And then he kind of remembered probably watching like a ghost hunter show where they like walk into a ghost and it's colder there.
The Grim Reaper is here.
The Holy Spirit, I've opened the gate.
It's fucking cold here.
Blah, blah, blah.
jordan holmes
Beep, bop.
It is a little bit like walking backwards through a Rube Goldberg machine, you know?
Like you can see like, this is where the.
A fan hit the thing and then that rolled the ball down.
That's where this thought came from.
And then you go back and you're like, oh, this is where the fan came in.
dan friesen
But it's fun.
jordan holmes
It is fun.
It's a lot more fun.
dan friesen
And it's accompanied by weird noises.
You don't get that in a Rube Goldberg.
Not always.
jordan holmes
Not always, not always.
dan friesen
You might get a little bit of the marble falling onto a track or whatever.
That's a satisfying noise.
jordan holmes
There is that.
dan friesen
This is an unsatisfying noise.
This is a gross noise.
unidentified
Yeah, this is a bunch of Yeah.
jordan holmes
Not a good, not a good at Rube Goldberg.
dan friesen
No.
So Alex has some interviews on this episode.
And one we're not going to talk about really about really at all.
He has an interview with a Syrian girl.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
Who sucks.
jordan holmes
A Syrian girl?
dan friesen
No, she's a sort of internet celebrity.
jordan holmes
That's what I was worried about.
dan friesen
We've talked about her before.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
She's come up a bit in the past.
Right.
But I haven't seen all that much of her lately, and it seemed painfully obvious to me that she's paying for airtime.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Or Alex, like, just got hit with I don't care anymore.
He's checked the fuck out.
He lets her talk for almost entire breaks.
Like, not even butting in or he's just got sleepy.
jordan holmes
He's eating his sandwich.
dan friesen
lost the will to live.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's been a rough couple.
dan friesen
And probably if he is eating his sandwich, does not even feel the need to butt in to the point where he's chewing on Mike.
unidentified
Woo.
dan friesen
Is brutal.
Just out of it.
jordan holmes
Full on underneath the table.
dan friesen
But she, she has something that is really interesting that she highlights kind of, and that is that all of Alex's conversation partners have a fundamental problem with him that they're not unpacking.
Yeah.
And that is they all don't support going to war with Iran.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But they say that Netanyahu is lying about how Iran.
is close to getting a bomb.
Right.
Getting the nuclear bomb.
Right.
They say that that's propaganda being used to, you know, like the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
Create a justification to go to war.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex firmly believes that Iran has a bunch of nuclear weapons already, and they never really deal with this difference of opinion.
jordan holmes
Which ironically is both of them agreeing that it's propaganda just from different.
Right?
Yeah.
dan friesen
Well, they agree that something's bullshit.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But like if they hold these perspectives, then like they.
They don't see eye to eye at all.
Right.
Because if these people who say that Netanyahu's lying about Iran trying to get the bomb, if they believed what Alex believes, which is that Iran already has a bunch of nuclear weapons, right.
Their position might be different.
jordan holmes
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, essentially it is the propaganda.
We both know that the propaganda is happening because the propaganda is either some or soon.
But we either but on the other side is you saying there's none and me saying there's all.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
There's they're they agree on the premise that there's something trying to get people.
Get people to support a war with Iran.
Right.
But beyond that point, they are totally on different pages.
jordan holmes
We agree.
Fuck that guy.
Also we agree.
Fuck you.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So there is one guest that we are going to talk a little bit about just because I thought this appearance was just remarkable.
And that is Dr. Kirk Elliott, Alex's gold sponsor.
jordan holmes
Right.
Okay.
dan friesen
How do they do it?
They spend a long time selling gold on this episode where the world, the world war is breaking out and all this stuff.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It seems interesting to me that they spend probably an entire hour of the show doing infomercial for gold.
jordan holmes
I mean, I imagine that guy felt the signal go up whenever He hears like, Oh, bombs are falling.
He's like, Alex, we gotta sell some gold, buddy.
We gotta strike while the bomb is hot.
Yeah.
dan friesen
If I was him, I would just put a thermostat in Alex's studio.
And when the temperature drops, it's gold time.
Time to sell.
So I found this fascinating, and that is that like, Alex is clearly being like, You motherfucker, sell gold.
jordan holmes
Like, don't say anything about anything other than gold.
dan friesen
He is so frustrated that Kirk Elliot is not a closer.
jordan holmes
Oh my God.
alex jones
And so, so, look, continuing to tie in with Powell, the Federal Reserve, Trump's ending our surrender to the World Trade Organization.
dan friesen
To just set this up a tiny bit, and this is after Kirk has just done like a pretty long stretch of like, now a lot of things, their prices depend on supply and demand.
But a little bit later, I'm going to tell you what really drives up the price of gold and silver.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
He's dancing around a little bit too much, and Alex is sick of it.
He just wants him to go for it.
jordan holmes
Connect it.
Connect it.
alex jones
The Globalist, all the positive things.
How this affects that, as you look into that crystal ball of yours as a leading economist.
US and global money supply surge to record highs.
Dollar hits three year low.
What that means Singapore takes aim at Comex and LBMA gold markets.
Why is China buying so much gold and what it signals for global investors?
And you already talked about in chaos we trust, knowing God we trust.
But yeah, we all know what happens in chaos with gold and silver.
Well, you add in the fundamentals with the currencies and then devaluation.
It's guaranteed to only go up.
And then you add war.
You want to revise your forecasts that have been trending exactly when they were when they would go up the last two years, except under you under predicted and you told me privately, which you told me what it would be, and I wrote it down.
It was actually dead on.
So why don't you want to hype people up and steer them wrong, but and I do this myself.
The only thing I get wrong is I steer people.
I was underestimating things because the truth sounds too crazy.
I'll kind of dial it back subconsciously.
And so, yes, you sell gold and silver.
Yes, you have the highest ratings, but just tell people what you privately tell me even before this kicked off.
And we're not saying that's going to happen.
And I'm not saying you're being deceptive, but it is a form of deception to, you know, under promise, over deliver, which which everyone does.
So even though you think something's going to work, you still want to hedge your bets.
dan friesen
Hey, asshole asshole.
You're lying to the audience.
If you don't tell them that gold is going to be twenty million dollars an ounce.
jordan holmes
This is amazing.
Yes, this is because I've actually like, we've these fools.
No, this is I've been in situations where I'm in a sales situation, like learning the ropes of how these people do a thing and the guy who's the actual salesman is right there and he has to try and tell me, dude, here's how you should be selling.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Without telling the people I'm trying to sell that I'm selling them on something, you know?
That like navigation of like, here are some levers that you can try that might be a thing to say to them about how great it is.
dan friesen
Yes.
All those private estimations that you make that are so much higher than what we talk about.
Wink, wink, wink.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, hey, you're doing these people a service if you're not telling them how great everything is going to be forever.
dan friesen
Yeah.
The problem is that like probably some of those salespeople that you're talking about.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
At least had some subtlety or some like.
panache to what they're doing.
jordan holmes
Some of them.
dan friesen
Whereas like Alex is this is blunt.
This is really obvious.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's kind of the entire vibe of this interview that the two of them have is like Alex just begging Kirk to like push this more aggressively.
And I take one thing away from that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex works on a percentage.
jordan holmes
Yeah, he must.
dan friesen
If he had a flat rate, he would not care how much gold or silver Kirk sells.
Alex is in deep sales mode here.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that means he gets a cut.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that would have to be.
I mean, I've that's the only that's the only motive.
The only motivation I've seen get people to behave like this.
dan friesen
Yeah.
He has, he has this, like, really strong energy of, like, you know, how if you go in for, like, I don't know, let's say a timeshare or something like that.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
You'll have someone who's really nice to you who talks to you and then there's the closer.
unidentified
Sure.
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex feels like the guy who does the work of getting you ready for the closers.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Who's mad that the closer is not closing.
He's like, I've done all this work.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
I've primed this audience.
They think the world is going to be on fire in three days.
Sell them the fucking gold, asshole.
jordan holmes
I can't imagine being faced with two two people.
Imagine being faced with two people, one of whom says, Well, things change up, down, you can't predict a future.
And the other who says, Gold will only get more valuable forever and you'll be happy all the time.
I can't imagine being like, Well, I mean, I'm going to have to go to the guy I'm going to be happy all the time with.
dan friesen
Come on.
And the guy who's like, Chaos is a ladder.
Who are you, Peter Baelish?
What are you doing?
Chaos will only make our metals more valuable.
jordan holmes
All right.
So literally, no matter what objection I give to you, you will find a way to turn it back into a not no.
No, are you saying that you won't take no for an answer?
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So this is what I would say, just there's a great little moment here where Alex is so fucking exasperated with Kirk.
I just think this is really funny, maybe it's an indication that my tastes are wrong.
kirk elliott
The international, you know, the IMF, the G7 nations, the international bankers, all of them are almost in cahoots, it feels like, against Trump to make his policies not succeed.
alex jones
And so let's stop here and elaborate.
You always like to be conservative and say it looks like no, it's one hundred percent.
The Private Federal Reserve is owned, eighty plus percent, and the only audit they had when it was created in 1913, by the Rothschilds, European banks.
Jerome Powell is on the private board of it.
He's part of the other boards as well.
You've seen him testify to Congress, Bernacke and others, and they want to tell Congress where the trillions go.
Just give it to these foreign banks, to our shareholders.
jordan holmes
This isn't a PowerPoint.
alex jones
They have lowered interest rates for the EU.
Other countries have lowered interest rates, but they won't do it for us to sabotage his recovery.
Then they manipulate him into joining this war, pushing Iran into blocking this trade order war moves, which they say they're getting ready to do.
That bare minimum, 130 is conservative, probably higher.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
alex jones
That will cause massive inflation, and that will accelerate the recession we were already in, into a depression, and derail everything he was trying to do.
And you would think Trump is sophisticated enough, and that Howard Ludding and others would be explaining this to him.
And this morning, he's like, well, we're not going to have a long war.
We're just going to take out their nuclear sites.
Those are already taken out, supposedly, okay?
Other than this, you know, the bunker buster they got to use.
And then they'll attack our bases, and then that draws us into a full scale attack., guaranteed to happen.
I think it's going to start Thursday night into Friday morning.
And I hate the fact we're almost always right, folks.
And then I'm watching our recovery and his success and American sovereignty burned down and the globalist bankers that had us maneuvered and Moody's didn't lower our credit rating on the course to collapse, for sure.
But as soon as he turns course and it's winning and everyone's lining up behind us, we're winning the trade war and he's getting a lot of political agreements through it as well.
And American soft power is back.
Here comes the globalists to grab victory from the jaws of defeat and make us a debtor nation under their hegemonic control.
And there's Benjamin Netanyahu laughing.
the whole time.
Is that what you're saying, doctor Elliot?
kirk elliott
Exactly.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
I mean, it's awful, right?
And so, to me, when you look at this, these are the accelerants that are causing the economy to decline, gold and silver to go up, and every, every asset, basically, that's a tangible thing.
alex jones
Well, that's the only silver line is we know what's going on.
We've been accurate.
You have to make lemonade out of lemons.
That's why you get into gold and silver right now.
And you're the place to go, hands down, highest rating, best prices done.
for blood.
dan friesen
You asshole.
jordan holmes
Listen, buddy, I don't want you to sound like that.
When I see you, I want to think of the Six Flags guy.
I want to hear da-da-da-da-da-da.
I want people thinking gold is coming from all over.
I want people having gold coming out of their nose.
You are the gold guy.
Don't give me half-assed bullshit.
dan friesen
Hey, Kirk, Right?
unidentified
You're boring.
jordan holmes
What is happening?
Huh?
dan friesen
I have to talk for two minutes straight.
God.
And then you start talking and I have to take back over to do a plug.
I have to direct, I have to do the call to action and all this explanation.
What the fuck are you here for?
jordan holmes
Say people will be rich if they buy gold.
It is the simplest thing to do.
We've been selling gold for millennia.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I know that we've been saying that Trump is going to fix everything with the economy.
jordan holmes
All the time.
That's not your job.
No, but the globalists came and fucked it all up.
Exactly.
unidentified
They did it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And now you need to buy gold again.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
dan friesen
Come on, Kirk.
unidentified
Kirk.
jordan holmes
Catch up, man.
dan friesen
He sucks.
jordan holmes
He does sucks.
This is bad.
dan friesen
I just, there's something really special to me about the moments where Alex is like, I'm surrounded by fucking incompetence.
jordan holmes
I mean, it's your own fault, but yeah, I agree with you.
Yeah.
You surround yourself with incompetence on purpose.
dan friesen
Part of it is that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
And then part of it is also no one else will work with him.
jordan holmes
The pool of potential recruits is low.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I mean, Kirk Elliott was, you know, selling gold on Nazi shows and QAnon shit, uh, like prior to getting called up to the big leagues with folks like Alex.
So, like, I mean, he's he'll just do it with anyone, you know, he'll take, he'll take whatever he can, he can make a little money off of.
But like, Alex is so bad and so dumb.
But in this instance, he's hyper competent.
He is so much better at, like, dude, we're selling gold.
That's what we're doing here.
Use these news stories and the shit that I've built.
This is the quilt that I've been building.
I've been sewing this for you.
Yeah.
Now fucking use it.
And Kirk just, he seems to not get it.
And there's something so pure about that exhalation that, there's something just amazing about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's the, it's the, like I was telling you about physical therapy.
Whenever he put my spine back in one, I went, ugh.
Like, I couldn't control that.
That's the, that's the opposite.
That's the, on the wheel of noises you make without any control over them.
That one's the one where it's like, Jesus fucking Christ.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Full on exasperation.
jordan holmes
Stress noise, anti stress noise.
And.
dan friesen
I've been doing this fucking shit for thirty years.
Do you not understand how this game works?
Come on, ding dong.
Ted Anderson was better than you.
jordan holmes
I wonder if there's a part of him that is like, I'm never in conversations about where I'm truly talented, which is sales.
Like when I was in sales, they would, they would be, there would be conferences and people would celebrate you for, like, oh, your closure rate is blah.
Or your sales numbers are blah.
And people would go ape shit.
With Alex, people come up to him and they're like, oh, you're right about stuff., but they're never like, you hit your fucking numbers, man.
If there's one thing about you, Alex, that I respect, it's that your quota is too low.
It's too low because you nailed it.
dan friesen
Well, I wonder if he does.
And then I also wonder that.
jordan holmes
But that's not true.
dan friesen
I also think that at those sales conferences and like get-togethers, you wouldn't be celebrating a guy who's like fake crying and begging people and saying, I really you are way off, my man.
jordan holmes
Those sales conferences are the most craven and desperate places I have ever been to in my entire life.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's I know that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But they're also about image.
And I think that if someone begged me for sales, I think they might not be seen as that cool.
jordan holmes
Sometimes, sometimes.
dan friesen
And again, how are you really going to know?
jordan holmes
Is it like for a lot of these people, though, they feel like anything is begging for sales, you know?
There's never, because if you say, like, you can't take no for an answer, then you're implying that you'll just eventually get to the, like, please, up my, please, buy this from me.
Please, please buy this.
dan friesen
Well, I mean, I saw Glenn Gary Glenn Ross a number of years ago.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And as I understand, a sale is a sale.
jordan holmes
Always be selling.
dan friesen
So, like, you know, if you're begging someone or if you're sell cool, the sail is a sail.
jordan holmes
You know what they say?
They you know what they say about in baseball, you know, singles a single.
Doesn't matter if you hit it 100 miles an hour or you bunted it.
It's not going to show up in the score book how hard you hit it.
Although now it does.
It does show up in the score book how hard you hit it.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So I guess you can cry and beg people and you're still hitting your quota.
jordan holmes
As long as your numbers are good, I don't care what you're doing.
dan friesen
Now, at the same time, I still think Alex's numbers are bad.
jordan holmes
I agree with you.
dan friesen
But this brings us to the end of this exploration.
And one thing that I think is really notable is on the seventeenth.
Alex is being super like, let's all be Nazis.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Let's all antisemitism is cool.
Nick Fuentes, you can't call him a bad guy.
He gets it.
This is the medicine we need.
And that doesn't follow along into the eighteenth.
The eighteenth, he is not like continuing this thread, which actually I think is worse because it's confusing.
If you're in the audience and you're watching these shows, if Alex were just like, Fuck it, we hate Jews now.
If he kept that going, at least you'd have a rock to stand on.
Yeah.
You know, like, okay, this is what we this show is doing now.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
And you could choose whether you wanted to be a part of it or not.
Right.
But by doing this pretty explicitly Nazi demonstration on the seventeenth and then pretending this didn't happen on the eighteenth, it's kind of gaslighting the audience a little bit.
jordan holmes
You know, it reminds me of in episodic fashion, it reminds me of a very special episode in like Saved by the Bell where it's like, Didn't she get addicted to drugs and we never dealt with the fallout of that?
There was just one episode where it''s like, Don't take drugs, and then we just moved on, like everything was totally fine.
dan friesen
I'm so excited.
I'm so excited.
I'm so full of hate.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like there should have been, we have to have a follow up.
Like, is she okay?
Like, is she, you know, has she got a treatment plan?
What's rehab like?
dan friesen
She was fine.
Jesse was fine.
jordan holmes
Jesse was fine.
dan friesen
Alex is not.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no, very much.
dan friesen
And we should replace him with Tori.
jordan holmes
I think that's a great idea.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Anyway, whoa, no, that's not good, because then Alex is going to be in Showgirls.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It might be interesting.
jordan holmes
I eugh.
It depends on what scenes you're talking about.
dan friesen
So we'll get to start writing that movie.
And we'll be back.
But until then, we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed, we do.
It's knowledgefight dot com.
dan friesen
Yeah.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
unidentified
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
jordan holmes
And now here comes the Sex Robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Well, Alexa, my first name caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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