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#1054: June 16, 2025

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to chronicle Alex's coverage of the ongoing Second American Civil War, and the looming new World War, plus a heartbreaking call from a listener who doesn't want his wife to be deported.

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alex jones
20:45
d
dan friesen
41:58
j
jordan holmes
18:50
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chrystia freeland
02:34
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david carlson
00:31
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tyler in mississippi
01:07
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
Andy and Pansas.
Andy and Pansas.
dan friesen
Stop it.
alex jones
Andy and Pansas.
Andy and Pansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy and Pansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding us.
unidentified
Hello Alex.
I'm a Fixin' Color.
I'm a huge fan.
alex jones
I love your work.
Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
Knowledge Fight dot com dot I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple of dudes.
We like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jordan.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
unidentified
Jordan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
So, which bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Uh, I have a bright spot and a, uh, debatably dark spot.
All right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And I get, I can once again give you the choice.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
of the order we're going to go in.
jordan holmes
You know, I feel like the instinct would be to change it up just for the novelty, but you know what?
I think I'm right.
Bad news first, get the good news, we'll go off on a good note.
dan friesen
Okay, this isn't entirely bad news, but it's something we haven't really addressed.
Okay.
And that is the last time we mentioned our other podcast, it's a matter of time.
jordan holmes
Let's never mention that again.
dan friesen
The last time we mentioned it on this podcast, I was making a bright spot that I was committing to put it on iTunes.
jordan holmes
I do remember that.
dan friesen
And then almost immediately we decided we're not doing that.
We had a conversation and neither of us really gave a shit about the bright spot.
about, well, I still enjoy the 60s TV shows.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
I still want to watch stuff.
Sure.
But doing a recap show, especially of like, everything that we're going to find is going to be episodic.
And it's either going to be like, Oh, this was good or Oh, this sucks.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I felt trapped.
And I think you felt the same and not in a fun way.
jordan holmes
It is a strange thing for us to just go, like, I can enjoy a thing without also making it into a show about me enjoying it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so we decided, and so it's a dark spot for the very limited number of people who enjoyed that and wanted us to do that.
jordan holmes
But God bless you all.
dan friesen
Yeah, sorry.
jordan holmes
Derek and Nan.
dan friesen
That's yeah.
So that's the kind of dark spot is that is discontinued.
We'll do something else, I'm sure, you know, at some point or we always do.
We'll have other things we do.
I really wanted to do that show in the same way that I started doing these bright spots when the pandemic started.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I really wanted to be at least in some way encouraging people to look for something nice in their lives.
Sure, sure.
You know, the shit's bad.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But hey, here's this fun.
for you.
jordan holmes
Let's try this.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's not be depressing all the time.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
And, you know, when Trump got re-elected, I didn't want to just talk about this shit all the time.
Sure.
And I wanted to have that, that other thing as some kind of, if you like us, you can like this and listen to this and it's not depressing, but it I just don't think it worked.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
So anyway, sorry.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So the bright spot?
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
I was lying in bed.
And so oftentimes, Sleen, my cat, will use my hand as a pillow.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
She'll lie in my I sleep with my arm Yeah.
like that.
jordan holmes
Usually She'll use your hand.
That's cute.
dan friesen
It's very cute.
jordan holmes
That's very cute.
dan friesen
And I was lying there and she started licking my hand.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I realized that the expression is, ah, cat got your tongue?
And I had a rare opportunity to get a cat's tongue.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so I took it.
I tried to grab her tongue.
She was licking my hand.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
I could just snatch it.
jordan holmes
But you just do it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I couldn't get her tongue.
Yeah.
But she was very confused.
jordan holmes
They're quick.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I've seen videos where they're some, they're, I guess, faster than snakes or something.
See, there you go.
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I couldn't grab her tongue, but I chuckled.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
As I tried.
jordan holmes
That's fun.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I like that.
So what's your bright spot?
is I had my first physical therapy appointment yesterday.
dan friesen
Okay.
jordan holmes
Because my back is a horrible mess.
dan friesen
And was this partially inspired by the success of your acupuncture tattoo?
jordan holmes
No, but it's been my wife, she's been going to physical therapy for the last couple of months.
And so since then I've become a lot healthier.
She's brought back all the stuff.
And so I'm doing all kinds of different stuff now.
And so I finally went to the actual physical therapist instead of just second hand stealing all the information they've been giving to my wife.
And it was fun because the appointment was like, ah, you've stolen all our information, you bastard.
But then.
dan friesen
So did they like back charge you, like prorate all this, like, oh, you owe us like ten grand.
jordan holmes
grand.
No, he didn't give me anything, any like new stuff to do, but he was like, How's your back?
And he just found that like my vertebrae, no good curve the rod, like all, all awful.
And he just put them in the right spot, right?
And then just pressed down on it, and I can't begin to describe to you, like, first off, I just made this noise in public.
Oh, like that.
I made it, it was, it felt so good.
And then I was an inch taller for the rest of the day.
Like it's, that was crazy how awful my back is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And a lot of that's probably just posture.
He's probably just correcting something that you.
that you could have shifted yourself a little bit.
jordan holmes
Damage all across the board, yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
One of the things that I think I've learned from when I've gone to personal training and such is like the importance of form.
Sure.
Like you know how to lift something.
Sure.
But form is important in order to like actually target the muscles.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I think that's what you're going to get.
You've gotten this second hand stuff from your wife.
So you know how to lift, basically.
jordan holmes
Oh.
dan friesen
But this person by pushing your back in a little bit, is giving you that form.
jordan holmes
Oh, no.
I was lying on my.
I was lying on my back.
He was just, he was just touching my spine.
This is all damage from my sport life.
dan friesen
You're from sports.
jordan holmes
I'm from sports.
Yeah.
And I did a lot of damage over that time period.
Yeah.
So I'm basically just going to get my back pushed into place once a week.
Pass it.
dan friesen
It's like the beginning of that Method Man episode of Poker Face.
jordan holmes
Which was a great episode.
dan friesen
That had too many stars.
jordan holmes
Too many stars.
dan friesen
Too many stars.
jordan holmes
And I'm going to be honest, it was maybe not the best resolution to one of their episodes.
dan friesen
No, it was great.
It was fun.
It was too many stars.
jordan holmes
It's a delight.
He was great.
dan friesen
One of probably a very scary rapper to people in the nineties, now just a delightful guest star on Poper Face.
jordan holmes
Just a baby.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
We're going to be talking about an episode of Alex's show.
We're going to be talking about june 16, 2025.
Okay.
We're in a civil war.
Alex has killed Gene Hackman.
True.
He has learned that the shooter in Minnesota is a fan of Trump.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But we still haven't peeled off the bandage where he realizes that he is also a fan of Infowars.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
So we're logging that.
Alex has decided this guy is probably an actor, the room mate of the shooter.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so that's where we are here.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
And we'll jump back in in a second here, but first let's take a moment to say hello to some new wongs.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, Robin and Turkey.
Thank you so much, you're now a Polzzywonk.
alex jones
I'm a Polzzywonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, I'm now, I'm not saying that Owen Schroyer enjoys filling roadkill, on average.
But with those dead eyes and the creepy excuse for a beard, I mean, look at him.
If you were making a movie about a guy who sucks the farts out of dead gulls, that's what he would look like on record.
But the point is, the left would probably even say that the movie is based on true events.
I'll leave it at that.
Thank you so much, you're now a Polzzywonk.
alex jones
I'm a Polzzywonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you, and winky wonky, policy wonky.
Thank you very much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you, and we have a technocrat in the mix, so thank you very much to Fragadactolobs.
Thank you very much.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Four stars.
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
alex jones
Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
Daddy Sharp, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little, little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
So we start off this episode and Along with the various things that are going on in domestic affairs and Alex Jones Infowars World, there's also a conflict between Iran and Israel.
They're shooting things at each other.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so World War Three is right on the cusp.
jordan holmes
Right next to the Civil War that's currently happening here.
dan friesen
There's a lot.
jordan holmes
A lot of wars going on.
dan friesen
And so Alex has some comments about this, about which side he's on.
He thinks he's on neither, but his position is a little simpler than that.
alex jones
So Israel is absolutely winning this war.
And President Trump came out again today and said Iran needs to capitulate and sign the deals to get rid of their nuclear weapons program.
Or they're going to face regime change.
As I predicted, Netanyahu is now out saying he wants regime change.
That's the real goal.
And much of the Iranian government, military and infrastructure is full of Israeli spies.
Now, why is that?
It's because the Shiite, hereditary, Muhammadan dynasty, it's royaltyy.
jordan holmes
Sounds like you're on the right track already.
alex jones
It's religious royalty.
It's a religious cult.
It's not even Persian.
They've inbred some with them, but they're Mahomet.
They're literally all look exactly the same.
jordan holmes
Good start.
alex jones
And they got run out of Iraq and Saudi Arabia by the Wahhabists in the last thousand years, and a bunch of them ran to Iran, Persia, and now they've taken over there.
Because that's what they do.
Wherever you bring Muslims in, they end up taking over if you let them continue to do that.
jordan holmes
I was wondering when we get there.
alex jones
They always say they're your friend until they're not.
So as they hit ten percent of the population, they start expanding, attacking.
They don't care if it's five hundred years, they will take your property.
They will convert you or they will kill you.
dan friesen
So this is really at the heart of what Alex's position is.
And I think it sometimes can be hard for folks to grasp, particularly because Alex pretends that he's in a war with the literal devil and everything is black and white for him.
So everyone kind of expects a simplicity.
And there's a complexity on the surface to what he's saying, but there's actually a very simple thing behind it.
jordan holmes
Yeah, no, it's very simple.
He hates Islam.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Israel is a different kind of issue than the black and white stuff for him because there's some people on the extreme right wing who support Zionism and the relationship between the existence of Israel and evangelical Christianity is intertwined.
At the same time, a huge chunk of the extreme right wing are neo Nazis, some of whom are fine with Israel existing if they can just send all the Jewish people there, while others are more into a final solution and exterminationism.
The world Alex comes from has two different branches with different relationships with Israel, and that's not the case on a lot of issues.
It's okay to be a hardline anti abortion zealot because there's no community of pro choice extreme right wingers.
fanatic against government regulation because the extreme right is never going to disagree with you there.
On this issue, Alex knows that regardless of what he says, he has a good chance of alienating some of his audience by being two in favor or two against Israel, which is why for the most part you don't see him take very strong positions on this.
The thing to understand is that he's not really pro Israel, he's not pro Iran, he's not even anti either of these countries.
He just hates Muslims, and he wants to enforce eugenic policies on them.
In recent episodes, he's started to be a little bit more critical of Israel, probably because he can tell that his audience is suspicious of why he hasn't been't changed.
He doesn't like Israel's actions, but he doesn't like Muslims existing.
Right.
That's the fundamental difference.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's very simple.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It's it's a strange combination of people who disagree on everything and also agree on everything.
And in a similar way, the two arguments from these people could be generalized as we hate the Jews.
They're going to kill everybody.
And the Jews are going to kill everybody.
That's why we have to give them their own state, you know?
Like it's a it's a weird like the Jewish ranch coming back.
dan friesen
The far right relationship with us.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's very I think it's a difficult territory for Alex to navigate and that's why it's a very safe position for him to have of like, really what this is about is I hate Muslims.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Fuck that.
They shouldn't be allowed to breed.
jordan holmes
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Great.
dan friesen
It's safe for him to say that, given his audience.
So, in terms of Israel and Iran fighting with each other, Alex's take on this is kind of surprising.
And that is that Iran should just probably give up.
alex jones
But I'll tell you this, if the Iranian regime is about to fall, Israel doesn't have the bunker busters, and I mean space based ones that nobody has ever used, you know of.
If they don't use the DU meteor guns, that's just the technical layman term for it.
This is the effect of a meteor 35,000 mile an hour.
Decapitation weapons.
They're meant to kill people in bunkers.
If they don't use those, there's a good chance that Iran's going to be able to get some of those nukes off the ground and into Israel, and then you're going to get a nuclear war.
So when Trump says we may have to get involved, you know the satellites on the ground, people are watching all that.
The Israelis haven't been able to get in or take out those mountain bases.
unidentified
The Israelis have been able to get in or take out those mountain bases.
alex jones
And so I'm just telling you tomorrow's news today because I understand strategy.
You can be assured that those weapons systems and others that are even more advanced and super classified are aimed at Iran right now.
And what you just see on screen is a standard bunker buster that can take out facilities up to half a mile underground.
These DU meteor gun systems can take people out two miles under a moon.
So the bunker bushes we're showing you are tinker toys compared to what the U.S. has had up in orbit since the late 70s at least.
unidentified
Thank you.
alex jones
And if you ever want to know why the establishment wants me off the air, it's stuff like I just said, because what I told you is dead on.
The reason I'm talking about it is the Iranians need to understand what they're up against against and need to give up.
I understand the argument well that Israel just continued to destabilize them.
It is what it is.
I want the funding cut.
jordan holmes
Good argument.
alex jones
I don't want to be part of this.
Israel is expansionist.
It only lines up more countries against it, which it wants, so it can continue to control the region and hold governments of the world hostage with nuclear war, just like the EU and NATO do with Ukraine.
It's the same system.
Same system, just different power groups.
dan friesen
So I've been saying earlier in this episode that Alex isn't pro-Israel, and I need to refine what I mean by that.
There are a lot of people who are vocal supporters of the Israeli government and stand by the actions that the country has made.
These people are who I would call pro-Israel.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Alex isn't that, but he's still kind of pro-Israel, but it's a conditional thing.
He wouldn't be pro-Israel if Trump and Netanyahu were fighting, but as it stands, the two sides to him are Israel and Muslims.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex really hates Muslims.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
What he's saying is a very pro-Israel message, but he's tr saying that Iran should just give up because Israel has all this superior weaponry and they're essentially holding the world hostage with the prospect of nuclear war.
Alex is saying remain a hostage, which seems really weird coming from him.
And then at the end of the clip, he compares this to NATO and Ukraine, where NATO keeps the fight going in Ukraine in order to antagonize Russia to hold the world hostage to possible nuclear war.
This seems like the worst thing Alex could possibly do because it makes it clear how differently he handles these two situations.
There's zero ambiguity about Alex's support for Russia, and he has no problem picking a side there.
Alex was just invited to speak at a Russian summit about the world in 2050, where he said that the only advice that he had for them was keep it up.
That's supposed to be just another globalist destabilization effort, but it would be impossible to watch this show and think that he's a neutral observer, equally annoyed by NATO and Ukraine as well as Russia.
Alex probably doesn't realize it while he's talking, but by using this as a comparable situation, he's accidentally making it clear how different his positions are on these crises.
Like he's not telling Russia give up, submit to the EU and NATO, remain a hostage.
This is a destabilization effort or whatever.
actively going and doing like government summits with Sergei Lavrov and shit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, like you would imagine, or at least I imagine, a lot of times you go, I'm not necessarily interested in the government's choices as much as the actions that they're taking, you know, like I don't particularly care who's in the government if the government is killing all these people.
First thing, you gotta stop the killing all those people thing, right?
Like if it was a white president of Israel and he was like, hey, guess what?
We're also Christians now, it's fine.
And Alex would be like, yeah, keep going.
dan friesen
You guys are the best.
Maybe, maybe.
There's a lot to unpack, you know, like I think for him, I don't know exactly what the sticking point is, but I think that this whole it's a globalist distraction meant to create tension and hold people hostage to a nuclear war is a very convenient thing for him to use and he uses it in both directions.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like he doesn't mean anything of that.
No.
There's not a prescriptive value to it.
In the case of Ukraine and Russia, he supports the side that is antagonizing and possibly could kick off that nuclear war.
And he's pretending not to in the case of Israel and Iran.
jordan holmes
Okay, let's add the new social media is the only thing that matters, right?
In a way, Alex is saying, hey, all you people who hate the Jews, leave me alone.
Don't do that.
But nobody's mad at me if I say the Russians can do whatever they want.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
So those are my two positions.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So going back to a more domestic side of things.
Yeah.
There was the news that broke that Alex accidentally covered the other day where a bunch of.
non criminal immigrants are being arrested by ICE.
jordan holmes
Well, I can't believe that.
dan friesen
And so Alex needs to smooth this out a little bit.
alex jones
Then Trump has announced it, and he always said he was going to do this, get the hardened criminals first, the human traffickers, the smugglers, the drug dealers, the first victims of armed robbery, murder, and deport them.
But they've got different identities.
They're hiding out.
They're arresting up to a thousand of them a day.
But Trump knows they're bringing all these illegals to be a permanent underclass and to vote illegally and to change the electoral college proportion in the districts.
So he understands this is a promise he has to keep.
He's done a great job sealing the border, 96% sealed.
That broke his record from his first administration, 94%.
So he's announced that, and it's already started.
Just the last week, there's an 800% increase in non criminal aliens.
That's how the media spun it.
They're all criminal here illegally, but meaning they don't have the statistics.
That's already up 800% in the last week.
And so they're going and they're grabbing everyone that's illegal and they're going to be deported.
And this is what has to be done.
And it's going to be painful.
And there's some nice people that are here.
Sorry, illegal.
This is part of a larger plan.
I love a glass of water.
But if you want to stick somebody's head under the water, I don't like water.
So I'm not against all these migrants and people.
And I know Biden and all of them had come here.
You know, they gave out social security numbers to them.
That's all come out.
The government did illegally.
And this is part of a giant lawless operation.
So you may individually be a nice person in many cases.
I'm sorry.
We can't survive as a nation by allowing 20 something million people to be here illegally.
You gotta leave.
And the corporate media is spinning it.
Oh, look, Trump's hypocrite.
He's actually increased people coming in on work visas.
Well, he always said that.
You're not going to be here illegally, but we do need some foreign workers and some super populists are like, no, we need a total moratorium.
I tend to agree with you.
My point is that that's not what Trump ran on.
He does what he says, but you're about to see millions and millions deported.
dan friesen
So you don't need me to sit here.
I don't think there's any value in preaching about how the Trump administration is doing awful things in terms of immigration enforcement.
It's criminal and it's meant to terrorize vulnerable communities.
I'm interested in this clip because of what it highlights about how this propaganda works.
In order to get the ball rolling and accumulate public support, Alex needed to demonize immigrants in such a way as to suggest that every person you see on the internet street that you suspect isn't from here is probably a mass murderer.
The streets have been taken over by roving gangs of Hispanic military aged men who are all also getting free stuff from the government they're probably voting.
It was a terror campaign because it was meant to justify terror against immigrants.
He was deploying that type of rhetoric that was needed for the audience to take proactive steps to bring about the situation we see in front of us now.
He needed Trump to win in order for this white nationalist march to begin, and a large part of catalyzing that was making the audience think that they were facing an existential threat from every immigrant.
But now the program is rolling, and Alex and the Trump administration don't really need that kind of support anymore.
As the reality is setting in, people are starting to see people they know, people they go to church with, people they work with, being directly affected by the actions of ICE, and public sentiment is starting to drift against the Trump administration's approach to this issue.
The people were promised that Trump would escalate his enforcement of the law, but it was to catch the mass murderers who had taken over the streets.
This was a deal that people thought they were making.
There were no mass murderers who had taken over the streets, though, and most of this enforcement is being used to snatch up the person you go to church with or you might see at a bar, which is leading to disillusionment.
People aren't going to buy the whole they're just using extreme measures to catch the murderer's angle when people can see that's not who's getting arrested and there's data backing that up.
So Alex needs to deploy a softer kind of demonization, one that takes into account the empathetic feelings that you might feel for the person that you know who got snatched up by ice.
Sure, they might be a good person individually, but there's a bigger picture here.
There's a greater good that you just need to accept it.
The earlier type of messaging Alex was using was meant to incite the audience, whereas this is meant to pacify, because the actions Trump is carrying out based on the past.
past the last incitement, they're horrifying to see play out in front of you.
This is the messaging that he feels he needs to use in order to override the feelings of empathy that he's worried that the audience could experience.
And what this basically is, is the terrorist edging paradigm.
Sure.
You know, you're working real hard to incite people and get them all, and then you're getting too close to busting.
And so you go into the pacification cooldown period.
Yeah.
And that's a disgusting thing to see in this context.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, ultimately, I guess the question of how far we're going to go is whether he even needs to do that any more, you know?
dan friesen
A lot of the stuff that he does seems archaic.
jordan holmes
It feels like he could just be like, hey, listen, everybody's going.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
And everybody would be like, well, I guess that's what's happening.
dan friesen
I wonder, I wonder how much of his audience he like legitimately stands to lose by just being like, fuck it.
Like, I don't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't care at all.
jordan holmes
I don't care at all.
Everybody's out until and then they can figure out a way back in, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't, I don't I don't know I don't know if it's only force of habit that's making him rely on this like appeal to empathy.
It doesn't seem necessary.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
His audience is fully on board with incredibly cruel shit.
jordan holmes
If not past him.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, at this point.
dan friesen
So, after this, Alex gets into a long plug.
jordan holmes
That sounds right.
dan friesen
It goes forever.
And here's a little taste of it.
unidentified
Great.
alex jones
You don't you don't go ninety nine percent, you go one hundred ten percent.
People you say, why don Why don't coaches say 110 percent?
jordan holmes
No, they don't.
alex jones
In all the studies.
jordan holmes
They absolutely didn't.
Nobody asked.
alex jones
No, nobody asked.
The average athlete is stigmatized, most of them.
jordan holmes
No, nobody ever asked.
The average athlete is very self-conscious.
alex jones
You're going to weigh twice as much weight as you think you can.
You just have a governor so you don't hurt yourself.
That's why a football coach says, Oh, you think you're going 100%?
Why don't you go 110?
You all of a sudden you find, I'm going 120%.
jordan holmes
See how it's not real?
Can't, no.
alex jones
So that's what we're doing here.
This is serious business.
The Oxford Sports Common, I think, every sport.
Go get a good shirt.
Got the big deals going right now.
Get two bottles, ultra methylene blue, capsules of vitamin C, get a free bottle of Shilajit.
That's an incredible deal.
That's a hot item.
Right now, the allshowsworld dot com, become a VIP.
I want to see a big surge in those.
I need to see that.
I have goals I have to reach.
dan friesen
I need you to go 120% at the store.
jordan holmes
That's just unfair.
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's shit.
unidentified
That should not be how any capitalism at all works.
jordan holmes
Listen, I need you to buy shit, so get your ass in gear.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I think that there is a valid point to be made.
You can lift more than you think.
When adrenaline is going through you.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Like if you're in an emergency or something like that, a lot of times you're capable of more than you think.
jordan holmes
Possible, yes.
dan friesen
I think it's embarrassing to apply that to buying Shulajit.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
That does seem very bad.
dan friesen
I think Alex should say something like this and be like, man, I can't believe my brain did that.
I am desperate.
I am craven.
jordan holmes
I mean, can you imagine if some, like, just sales exec at Target was in the commercial, like, dudes, I need this, otherwise I'm gonna get fired.
Okay?
These are my plans for the holiday that you guys are ruining.
So buy some shit at Target.
dan friesen
And Alex does do a little check in with, like, how things are going for him.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You know, because there's still the legal stuff floating in the backgroundround.
Still.
And he's like, he does, when he's saying like, I need this.
Right.
That looks bad.
Yeah.
But he makes it look a little bit better, is that they're coming after my dad.
jordan holmes
There we go.
Not your dad.
dan friesen
Not Dr. Jones and his big naturalist.
jordan holmes
But you said that they would be coming after your dad one day.
This must mean it's time.
dan friesen
He's desperate to save his dad.
And so it comes out a little more noble.
jordan holmes
He's a hero.
dan friesen
So we get back to the subject of the Minnesota lawmaker assassinations.
Sure.
And Alex has now learned that the guy was an Infowars fan.
jordan holmes
Great.
alex jones
I want to shift gears outars out of this into the No Kings protest.
The man that they've reportedly captured is supposedly this Vance Bolter who killed the state senator and her husband and then wounded critically the state rep and their spouse.
And the whole weirdness around this and how the quote, roommate, but he's also got a wife, comes out and says, Oh, he's a Trump supporter.
And then, Oh, also Alex Jones, InfoWars.
Boy, just two weeks ago I said, I wonder if there'll be some shootings of politicians.
And then, magically, it's an Alex Jones listener.
You got CBS News.
Oh, did he watch any TV?
shows or podcasts?
Well, who did he like?
Who made him kill people?
unidentified
Oh, MVOs, yeah.
alex jones
So that wasn't hard to predict.
The same guy was in front of the news, crying, reading the text messages.
To me, it looks like bad acting.
I'm not saying he's lying or it's fake or he doesn't think that the supposed shooter didn't text message him from his phone.
But the shooter shows up in a rubber mask and a police car and then, you know, all this, I mean, is a Tim Walls appointed, his wife is a Democrat, he's been a Democrat, but oh, now he's MAGA and everybody just takes what the roommate.
says as gospel.
dan friesen
Alex's position on what he thinks about the Minnesota shooter's roommate is incoherent.
On the one hand, Alex thinks this is really bad acting, but on the other hand, he says that he might believe that he was really reading his roommate's texts to the media.
Like he might believe it.
Who knows?
jordan holmes
Right, it might be the greatest acting anyone has ever seen.
dan friesen
These are not small differences.
Like maybe this Starbucks cup has coffee in it or maybe it's decaf.
They serve both of those things.
So if you have a Starbucks cup in front of you, it's sensible to assume that either might be in it.
True.
The path that coffee takes to get into the cup is the same path that.
that DCAF took to get there.
In the case of the shooter's roommate, if he's acting, then there's reason for him to be acting.
If he's acting, he's playing a role, and someone has enlisted him to play that role.
An actor telling news reporters that an accused murderer liked info doesn't pop up in the same way that a person who believes that he's reading his roommate's last text to the news pops up.
The paths are different.
The latter person is a normal person who could exist, like a Starbucks cup that's filled with decaf.
The actor person requires a complicated scenario, full of people doing things that they don't normally do.
It would be like if your Starbucks cup was full of Minestrone soup.
Someone had to do that.
It's crazy that that happened.
What's the acting supposed to be if this roommate was answering questions honestly to the news based on the information that he had at his disposal?
What is the acting?
What's the bad acting?
Is it just he's hamming it up?
He's pretending to be more emotional about these texts that he really got from his roommate?
What is the point that is trying to be made here?
Why is he acting?
Does he want to be a star?
jordan holmes
I don't understand.
unidentified
Okay, okay, okay, how about this?
jordan holmes
Did that guy actually?
I actually think he was Lincoln.
Can you truly believe that you are Lincoln?
dan friesen
Wait, the shooter's roommate?
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
What's his name?
The movie Lincoln.
dan friesen
Oh, the guy Daniel Day Lewis.
jordan holmes
Daniel Day Lewis, okay.
So if he's reading his lines, is it possible for him to actually believe that he is Lincoln while doing that?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
So the bad acting would be he's bad at acting.
dan friesen
If Daniel Day Lewis never came back and he was Lincoln and he was just Lincoln for good, then maybe I would believe it.
jordan holmes
That would be interesting.
dan friesen
But there is a point at which he stopped being Lincoln.
And that leads me to believe he never truly believed himself to be Lin Lincoln.
jordan holmes
So this guy would either eventually have to stop believing that he was reading his friend's text or never have believed he was reading his friend's text in the first place.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
What I'm trying to say is this is something that Alex is trying to make look like a tiny little difference of like, hey, the little opinion difference and in reality it is a shockingly huge chasm between these two things.
jordan holmes
It's the difference between being Daniel Day Lewis and being Lincoln.
Yes.
Those are very two different things.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex plays the clip of the room mate talking about how his friend liked InfoWars.
unidentified
Sure.
alex jones
I mean, literally, we can get the archivist or Chase or anyone around here.
Six months ago, two months ago, a month ago, last week, I said, Are you going to have someone go shoot people during the No Kings demonstration and then blame Trump, blame me, blame the Border Patrol, blame ICE?
I said it like five times last week.
And oh, now here it is.
And CBS just knows what question to ask about the full exchange coming up, but here's just part of it.
Watch the body language of the CBS reporter and then him and then the way he kind of looks down like it's notes and then says, Oh, infowars, all guilty.
Yeah, yeah, infowars.
I mean, this is ridiculous.
Watch this.
unidentified
And did he listen to any particular podcasts or TV shows or anything online that concerns you?
Well, you listen to InfoWars.
alex jones
InfoWars.
david carlson
I kind of totally said, well, it's like 50% truth.
unidentified
I kind of said, don't take everything what they say for granted.
david carlson
I wasn't a real truthful.
I mean, they're on for some things, but some things are way off.
unidentified
Did you talk much about Trump?
And what did he say if so?
david carlson
He's a Trump supporter.
Voted for Trump.
Do you like Trump?
I like Trump.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
alex jones
They all love Trump.
With their Democrat shirts and their appointments by Tim Walls.
dan friesen
Very, very, very suspicious.
jordan holmes
Got him.
With their Democrat shirts and their appointment by Tim Walls.
Very suspicious.
dan friesen
Well, he was wearing a shirt that said, I am a Democrat despite the words that I'm saying.
jordan holmes
That is an interesting shirt to wear.
dan friesen
Yeah, and I think that Alex is a real piece of shit because his whole argument about Trump is that he transcends the left-right paradigm.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so Democrats, who are more populist in nature, he should think that they would gravitate towards Trump.
Yeah.
So this is all very stupid.
jordan holmes
Because in real life they gravitateitated towards Trump.
It's only in the fake ballots where the Democrats seem to have more people.
dan friesen
Right, because they're all about dead people.
jordan holmes
Yeah, everyone actually loved Trump.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
90 percent or 95 percent, if not more, 120 percent.
dan friesen
It's really interesting to hear him play this clip and him trying to make it suspicious.
Because to me, it sounds like a very normal person whose friend likes InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Yeah, answering questions about their friend liking InfoWars.
Yeah, yeah.
That's exactly what you would do, basically.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah, that guy, I mean, he'd like to, you know, but you can't force him to not watch it.
jordan holmes
So I was just like, hey buddy, be careful with that.
dan friesen
I haven't been his friend for thirty years or whatever.
You just, you know, get along to get along, you know?
jordan holmes
You get used to some stuff and you know, you don't have to live up to my expectations and I don't have to live up to his.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe my expectations aren't that high either.
I kind of like Alex every now and then.
jordan holmes
Yeah, maybe maybe what we're really talking about is I need higher expectations.
dan friesen
Probably.
alex jones
Yeah.
So Alex just it feels like this is just thin soup and there's a manifesto and they won't show us the manifesto with the seventy people on the hit list.
And the police, who I trust a lot more than these guys, said, hey, watch out at No King's demonstrations.
We think he might be there.
He's on the run.
He's got all these No King's flyers in the front of the police car.
They showed a photo of it.
So I don't think the local police are in on that.
But people all hooked to walls and the Democrats and, you know, the wife running around with a bunch of passports and guns and ammo, a car full of people with guns and ammo, and they all got their passports.
You could drive around Minnesota with your passports in your car.
I don't know what's going on.
dan friesen
So this feels just unnecessary.
Nobody cares that the shooter was a fan of Infowars.
Maybe that would have been an interesting topic ten years ago, but Elon Musk does Hitler salutes at Trump rallies now and there are no consequencesces for it.
Yep.
Nobody I do a show about Alex Jones, and my perception of this is I don't think anyone cares.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I agree.
Beyond just the fact that I think that this story has died down considerably in terms of the attention you think that a political assassination might get.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But then secondarily, I really think it's a bigger deal when Alex says something funny or like cries.
Like that gets more attention than the fact that this guy was a fan of his.
I don't think anyone cares.
jordan holmes
I mean, if you if you stop and dwell on these two things.
If you stop and think, whenever Alex cries and says, I've turned on Trump, he gets a million articles about how great it is that people can turn on Trump.
dan friesen
You're funny, but that's still good for traffic.
jordan holmes
You know, Schaden Freud, if you like, or if he's angry at something, they go, look how wrong this guy is, you know, like that.
Tons of attention.
Everybody benefits.
You got your clicks from all sources.
Everybody loves it.
Him maybe being directly responsible for political assassinations.
What am I going to watch his show?
Fuck off.
dan friesen
Right.
And that's what's really interesting about this, he still feels the need to do this.
Yeah.
And I think it's more for that pacification and reassurance of the audience than it is, like, he's actually concerned about people thinking this guy was a fan of his.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
He just doesn't want the listener to associate with the motives that this guy clearly had.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
He just feels like grasping at straws too.
Like, am I supposed to believe by this point Alex still hasn't learned that the people in the shooter's wife that she had in the car were her children?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
In order for me to believe that Alex doesn't know this, I'd have to also accept that Alex is wholly uncuriosity about this story.
And he's trying to give the impression on his show that he's very curious about it.
Something stinks.
We have to get to the bottom of this.
jordan holmes
Here's the thing, right?
And I think this is maybe my, maybe my personal failing, right?
But for him to not have been the exact thing that he was, right?
For this conspiracy to have been whatever it needed to be to function that ended up with this result would require believing so many different unusual and borderline impossible things happened in a row that even if you've believed it to be true, it's just too much effort.
Go with the official story and move on with your life, right?
dan friesen
sure.
jordan holmes
Think about how much work it is to try and say this shit instead of being like, well, the obvious happened.
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
Well, and I think that, um, I mean, like, I don't want to say, don't be curious and don't question things or anything like that.
No.
But I do think that when you have, um, like, a clear demonstration of someone who's doing that behavior here in the part of Alex.
Yeah.
And in order to make it in any way acceptable to do that, you have to lie and exaggerate and fudge details.
Like, the wife is in the car with all these people in their passports.
You know, you have to do that in order to justify your quote, quote, suspiciousness.
Totally.
And I think that comes off poorly.
jordan holmes
Yeah, especially if you could just be like, Hey, isn't this weird?
and then move on.
dan friesen
Yeah, a lot.
And like, Oh, this is weird.
Click, click, click.
Oh, let me read about this.
Oh, that makes sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It was their, it was their kits.
jordan holmes
Moving on.
Right.
dan friesen
done.
It's the, it's the difference between having a sincere curiosity and a drive towards, like, questioning events that happen in the world.
Sure.
And just wanting to use that costume.
jordan holmes
Self-motivated need.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex is deep in suggesting that the roommate of the shooter is an actor and he goes to the well that he loves to go to.
alex jones
So is Vance Bolter a Patsy?
Well, I know this, all the available evidence is he's a Democrat, his wife's a Democrat.
To whom?
jordan holmes
Is this an actor?
alex jones
Is this a Democrat?
Oh, but he likes Trump.
And the shooter positively likes Trump, the alleged shooter, and he really likes Infowars.
And then some comments about Infowars.
Oh, I know it's not really true, but I like it too, but I like it too.
Well, let's call, let's call David Carlson.
Maybe he's just a wacky, goofy guy.
Maybe he just comes off like a dude in the U-likes.
Maybe he just comes off as very dishonest.
Maybe he just comes off like he's reading up a script.
Like on the cop show with Jesse Smollett's house, he's got a little string around his neck, a fake scratch of makeup on his face, singing twenty three below zero at 2:30 p.m.
He went to a subway that wasn't even open, and that two men jumped out, put MAGA hats on him, poured bleach on him, called in the N word and said, MAGA.
I said, that's fake.
And I was right.
Yeah, I'm not saying this guy's reading novascript.
jordan holmes
In what way are you not?
dan friesen
Yeah, that's crazy.
He said at the end, oh, you screamed over.
I'm not saying that he's an actor, but it's my opinion that he is.
That's cool.
So the Jesse Smollett incident happened over six years ago and he got into serious trouble for what he did.
He served time in jail and had to pay some heavy fines and the only person still talking about this is Alex.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I would argue, and I don't know if it's necessarily wrong for this, you know, like I think he suffered more consequences than Alex has.
jordan holmes
Yeah, one hundred percent.
dan friesen
And like, it is a crimeime to file a false police report and that stuff.
So, you know, there are consequences that should come along with that.
But I think it is funny, ish, that he had to serve some time in jail and Alex has not faced any kind of consequences like that for the things that he does.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Jesse Smollett wasn't a weird guy who was sincere but just seemed like he was reading off a script.
He was a guy who carried out a hoax.
This is the opposite type of example Alex should be pulling out based on the argument he's trying to make about this roommate.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is saying that he's not saying the roommate is an actor, but it's his opinion that he's an the difference?
This is a show where we're supposed to think that Alex knowing what time it is in the middle of the night is proof that God chose him to fight the devil, so his opinions tend to carry a lot of weight.
A normal person could make a distinction between a fact they're reporting and an opinion, but this show only exists because Alex has made those things the same.
They're indistinguishable.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Also, Alex is he very clearly said that people should call David Carlson in that clip.
I'm not sure if he meant to say that, but he can't be that irresponsible.
He literally said the guy's name and said let's call him.
jordan holmes
I don't even know how to respond to that.
Other than, like, why not?
Let's see.
At a certain point, Thelma and Louise are going off the cliff.
So fucking go, man.
Get the gas.
Let's see how far this can go.
Go crazy.
dan friesen
I don't want to support that.
Sure, but I understand where that reaction comes from.
jordan holmes
I don't I don't I'm not saying he should do that.
dan friesen
Right, but I'm just saying it seems like that might it seems like the head state that he's in.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's, yeah.
dan friesen
It's crazy.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
dan friesen
So he decides to make fun of Carlson a little bit and then pull it back a little bit and be like, hey, leave the guy alone.
david carlson
I don't want to say anything more and implicate you in any way because you guys don't know anything about this.
But I love you guys and I'm sorry for all the trouble this has caused.
alex jones
Wow, so we're just all learning within an hour and a half of it happening that Saturday that he's the guy.
Vance Bolter, he did it.
trump and now and info wars are you know And I told him, I said, don't believe a lot of it.
I mean, he was listening to it, though.
I like it too, though.
I like it too.
I like Trump too.
I like him.
He liked Trump.
He voted for Trump.
He just, you know, advanced, was just put on the board of the state by the governor because, you know, he's a good community guy.
So he said, you know, well, yeah, the wife's a Democrat, yeah, but it's, yeah, there's no king's flyers in the police car, but, you know, it's a Yale lady.
He loved Trump and info wards, yeah.
Well, come on, Mr. Carlson.
I want to hear all about this.
Everybody be nice to Mr. Carlson, though.
He's a good person.
He might be a little simple-minded and...
I don't know.
dan friesen
Yeah, so stop.
You don't know.
Stop doing this.
This is insane.
I do think that Alex is on the right track for what he's doing though.
With an idea like, I want to get this guy on the show.
I want to hear all about this.
Because then that makes him like free reign.
If he agrees to come on the show, you can make a target out of him.
jordan holmes
Anything you want.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so I think that Alex is on the right track in terms of like, how can I make this somewhat excusable?
Oh, I'll exploit him.
Yeah.
But this sucks.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Shitty behavior.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So Alex doesn't learn from his past mistakes clearly.
He's just doing similar things to what he did vis-à-vis Sandy Hook.
jordan holmes
I mean, in a sense, you would have to face negative consequences for it to be a mistake.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So he hasn't learned from his not mistakes.
dan friesen
Right.
And in this next clip, there's another thing that should have some pretty serious consequences that, weirdly, he hasn't faced any for.
jordan holmes
It's crazy.
alex jones
And I was given Vegas Patsy information that I had to sign on disclosure with law firms and the feds got involved and I'm not supposed to talk about it and I agreed not to, so I'm not going to.
Let me just say I know a lot.
And that was a Saudi Arabian operation.
unidentified
With the exception of the trouble over there, it stays a coup against those guys.
alex jones
And so the crown prince is on board right now, that's a good thing.
dan friesen
You're under arrest.
unidentified
Wow.
dan friesen
I have this non disclosure agreement that I signed with a law firm and yeah, let me break it for you.
jordan holmes
I like the idea that you would be out at a bar with someone and you're like, wow, I can't talk about that.
I had to sign a non disclosure agreement with work.
But Alex could be on the everywhere.
And just be like, eh, whatever, I'll tell you.
dan friesen
Without any prodding.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
Within thirty seconds.
Yeah.
This is wild.
jordan holmes
He can't not.
He can't not.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I signed a non disclosure agreement when I got fired by Groupon.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And I had a joke about it that I would do on stage.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And it was because I didn't care.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like, whatever the consequences were, like, I I don't, I didn't care.
Yeah.
This is different.
This is the feds.
unidentified
This is the feds.
dan friesen
Alex signed something according to his story.
He was in deep trouble.
jordan holmes
Unreal.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Good thing it's all made up.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is helpful.
That is helpful.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So one of the big things that Alex is pushing on this episode is trying to be like, I predicted that this shooting in Minnesota was going to happen.
Like, I called it.
jordan holmes
I mean, called and called for are very different things.
dan friesen
Very close.
jordan holmes
I mean, they can be very close.
You're right.
And they might be identical.
dan friesen
A couple of letters?
jordan holmes
In this regard, they may be identical.
dan friesen
But he's he's very invested in being like, I predicted this in order to be like, it's the globalist script.
I called it in advance.
You know, this is all fake and shit.
So he works on that angle here.
alex jones
Vance Balter arrested last night, turned himself in.
out in the field to the SWAT team.
And he's an appointed by Walls.
His wife's a Democrat.
I'll show you a registration.
All of that.
And then we're told by his room mate that he's a big Trump supporter and likes infowars.
That's the first thing the media is told.
So you can have Drudge and Walls and all of them come out and say, Oh, it's a MAGA maniac.
And you go into this guy's MO and background.
There's nothing of that there.
And the police say, No, the police car he had had a bunch of No King's flyers in it.
And then what was I predicting?
Attacks on illegal alien demonstrations, black churches, as they were preprogramming that, and or governor Whitmer kidnapping or shooting of Democratic politicians blamed on Langa.
The Democrats would shoot their own people and blame us.
Now, I don't know exactly what's going on here, but Vance Bolter's wife, the police thought it was suspicious in a car full of other people with guns and ammo and passports.
So they all had passports.
dan friesen
These other people.
So it's very possible that Alex said that there could be another Whitmer type event, but he's lying by saying that that was the main focus of his predictions.
He was constantly screaming about false flag mass shootings and car bombings at immigration or Gaza protests and about attacks on black churches.
If you listened to his show in the months prior to this, these predictions would have been beaten into your head.
And now what Alex is doing is that he's trying to insert what actually happened into that set of predictions.
This is a little sleight of hand trick that he uses to retroactively make himself look like a prophet because if you're listening to this show, you'll hear him say that he's been predicting these things for months and you'll remember him predicting the shootings at protests.
You'll be sure that he predicted that a ton, so by grouping the shootings at Democrats houses, by grouping it in with that, Alex is banking on the audience applying that memory to the whole collection of predictions when the thing that he was stressing the most did not happen and was part of his weird race war obsession.
So that's what he's doing.
He's trying to be a prophet in reverse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, it seems like a cheat.
dan friesen
It is.
jordan holmes
You know, that's because it is.
Because when you predict something, it's in the future, which you don't know, which is famous about the future, you don't know it.
Right.
But if you did know it, that's cheating.
dan friesen
I think if you say, like, if we were just to sit down for like eight hours and I were just to predict everything.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I was just like, oh my God, things are going to explode.
Chicken is going to be so expensive in the future.
Right.
Gas is going to go away.
Or what, you know, like I could just come up with a hundred fucking things.
Sure.
Many of them maybe even contradictory.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
I could later edit the good stuff together.
jordan holmes
See, that's what we're talking about.
That's why That is cheating.
All good profits need a time stamp.
You need a you need a beginning, right?
When it was said and when it's going to happen.
None of this like vague ass.
dan friesen
You need to be holding up a newspaper.
Absolutely.
And a quarter for scale.
jordan holmes
You know what?
I'm starting to think that maybe it's not been proven because there's so many things you would need to do.
Prophets are just they just don't have the time.
dan friesen
Really?
Well, here's what's interesting about Alex.
He does a radio show.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so these prophecies and things, they're all captured on the tape.
jordan holmes
It seems like he would have to be, I mean, it would be demonstrable that he was right all the time, right?
dan friesen
Well, and here he has a clip of him predicting this.
jordan holmes
Great.
Perfect.
dan friesen
So he plays that in order to strengthen his case.
jordan holmes
Excellent.
alex jones
So let's play the june twelfth prediction.
And I had a couple others from the week before, where I was, and I don't know if they, I haven't seen these yet, I'm just told what's in them.
I know I said last week at least twice, someone shoots some Democrats up and then magically they find their phone or laptop and they're a big listener of the show.
And that's what we're now seeing.
So wow, what a coincidence that I'd say that just last week and now that's what we're treated to.
Here it is.
There are hardcore anti-FUS subgroups that are 100% funded by the CIA.
And I showed the documents earlier.
I'll go back over those with the new information that are tacitly taking responsibility and cheering everyone on.
He's hearing everybody on for bombings, fire bombings, assaults, attacks, all over the country.
Hardcore communists, they're almost all academics, and they get direct funding from Alexander Soros, and you can prove that, and you know, cops are going to get killed in the next week.
dan friesen
So first off, this clip from the twelfth doesn't predict that democrats are going to get shot.
He's saying cops are going to get shot.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is a different prediction entirely.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Second, and more importantly, this clip from the twelfth is edited.
The original context of what Alex was saying was about him supporting police violence, and he was trying to make excuses for Eric Adams flagrant corruption because he's cooperating with Trump and Ice.
Here's the larger context of that same clip that Alex just played.
alex jones
I was driving to work one day early.
It's like 5:45.
Did you know that time in South Austin and cut off to get some gas and there were homeless people running around with baseball bats, faces bleeding, half naked, killing each other in the streets.
And it was like I was in a zombie apocalypse.
I'm sorry, I'm ranting.
I have to get to the news.
It's just they flipped a switch.
They defunded the police.
They started prosecuting cops that defended themselves.
And the police tell us all this too.
I mean, I see if the cops tell me all this.
And if a cop, if it's anywhere questionable, you know, where a suspect overpowers the police, gets out of handcuffs, is trying to grab the cop's gun, it's on video.
This is Case in Austin.
Cop pulls the gun away, shoots the guy, Jose guards and indicts you.
Who's going to go do jobs like this?
You've ever been out in the middle of the night and had five dudes jump you?
And then you pull your gun and shoot one and then they say, well, you shouldn't have done that.
We're going to indict you.
Well, you go out in the middle of the night and these things then.
So they know what they're doing to break down society.
So I'm going to get to the Iran situation coming up, but I'm going to hit the really big domestic thing right now.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
There are hardcore anti-fuss subgroups that are 100% funded by the CIA.
And I showed the documents earlier.
I'll go back over those with the new information that are tacitly taking responsibility and cheering everybody on for bombings, fire bombings., assaults, attacks, all over the country, but particularly New York.
And they're promising because Eric Adams pledged that he would help Homan and he's done a half ass job, but he's not having the cops block the feds doing constitutional duty.
So, because he's in a balancing act in New York, but he of all the blue cities, he, you know, did what he said he was going to do overall.
And for that, they had the fake political charges that Biden put on him dropped.
People go, oh my God, that's corruption.
No, that's that's how stuff works.
I mean, you can be a mobster.
No, those are not exclusive.
You know, you serve a year in prison or you go free.
Witness protection program.
So Adams didn't even do anything with the indictments on him.
Comparatively, even money or something, he didn't have proof of it.
So now these groups are telling New York, we're going to kill the police.
And they've got OpenX accounts and Instagram accounts.
And these are really dangerous people.
Hardcore communists.
They're almost all academics.
And they get direct funding from Alexander Soros.
And you know, cops are going to get killed in the next week.
So that's I'm very close already.
dan friesen
So that clip has now been edited to retroactively make it look like Alex is predicting that the globalists are going to kill some democratic politicians and blame him, except even the edited version doesn't make that point, but there's still all of this stuff edited out to change the image of what Alex was saying in that clip.
This is all an act.
And everyone involved in producing this knows that they're lying.
You can't play this edited clip of Alex making this prediction that isn't even the right prediction without knowing., oh, we are fucking lying.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, okay.
So here's the thing that confuses me about situations like this with people like this, right?
There is when a thing is a thing, it's a thing or it's not a thing, not very complicated, you know, that that kind of thing.
You can become closer to that thing, but it will still not be that thing.
It doesn't matter how close the frog gets.
If it only ever jumps halfway, it's never going to get there.
You know, like this is more close to something that would be a prediction that would be what he was saying.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But it's still not the thing.
dan friesen
No.
Even if the editing that they carried out worked, it wouldn't achieve the goal.
jordan holmes
It still wouldn't be the thing.
dan friesen
But it's close enough for the background static that looks like proof that Alex's audience demands.
And so it feels kind of like he's predicting something that's close to what happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I guess.
dan friesen
So it's an act of gross manipulation that I agree with you, even if successfully fully pulled off, should not convince a rationality.
jordan holmes
It's still, yeah, it's still not the the thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Even if you edit it as well as you possibly could to curate it as well as possible, it's like you don't have the words necessary to make the thing you want.
dan friesen
You can do you can deprive the original of context.
Yeah.
But you would need to add to it to make it what you need it to be.
Yeah.
That's great.
jordan holmes
Here's something that occurs to me, right?
This is a thing that occurs to me now because we live in the present that he didn't have back then.
But you can no longer say that like intelligence agencies are working against Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Right?
jordan holmes
Ah, because the simplest and most obvious thing that any intelligence agencycy working against Trump could do would just be release the Epstein list, right?
Even you have it.
You had it before Trump was president.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
You know, like you've, you've got to have it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
No, I, look, that's not even necessary.
Like the shit that Alex believes that intelligence agencies are capable of, right.
Everyone would be dead.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Like not everyone in the world, but all of these people who pose a threat would be dead.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like they have shaped the course of history for the last two hundred fifty years or whatever.
jordan holmes
What are we doing?
What are we doing with CI people, paid academics?
Come on, get out of here.
dan friesen
So Alex keeps on playing the clip from the twelfth on his show, on this sixteenth show.
jordan holmes
He plays it multiple times.
dan friesen
No, no, he plays more of it.
And it goes on.
And I think as he's playing it, he starts to realize, like, shit, this doesn't work.
This isn't actually productive.
jordan holmes
This is not the thing.
dan friesen
But I think even he realizes it and has to bail.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
And then Trump sends in the military.
And then behind the military, behind ice, from an apartment, or from a van, or from a high rise, or from a their favorite thing in these would be a parking garage.
A Trump supporter, supposedly, who will be found dead, they'll be found dead, maybe three or four of them, will open fire into these crowds.
And then that gives the pretext because all this, as I told you, will explode in their face once they start the riots, unless they have the final ingredient.
And it's not just I can extrapolate that out with deduction knowing the enemy operations over the decades.
I call it revolutions like Operation Gladio in Europe.
That's what this is.
All right, let's stop there.
There's a lot more of this.
These are pretty good ones.
I know I specifically said What?
Governor Whitmer style kidnapping, shoot some Democratic politicians, then find the shooter and they're a Trump info war supporter.
I know that's there and you heard it, so there you go.
dan friesen
There you go.
There you go.
alex jones
I did it.
dan friesen
I didn't do it, but I did it.
You do know I did it.
Alex has lost the step because there's a very easy way to do this, and that is the reason that the No Kings flyers were in the car was that he was planning to do exactly what I predicted in that clip, and the globalists stopped him because I predicted it.
jordan holmes
Done.
dan friesen
Boom.
unidentified
Done and done.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
Every time.
dan friesen
This would be, this is not a problem, but because he doesn't prepare at all, he's not able to, like, it's so lazy.
jordan holmes
I like that this now gives the impression that it's possible for prophets to have like B side prophecies.
You know, like that one was pretty good.
It was pretty good.
That's not my top tier prophecy shit.
You know, like that one was like, yeah, you're gonna get some McDonald's, but that's not really that good a prophecy.
Because you were probably gonna go anyway, right?
dan friesen
Sure.
Yeah, it's not a greatest hits.
jordan holmes
It's not the best.
It's not the best.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
We can't all do Roxanne, okay?
dan friesen
You know what?
Like the people who wrote the Bible, yeah.
They didn't just live like the time they wrote the Bible.
You know, like they had longer lives.
They probably wrote other stuff.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay, I was I was gonna say right, right, right.
dan friesen
There's probably a lot of stuff that's fine.
jordan holmes
Sure, yeah, yeah.
Like all the letters to the Thessalonians didn't get into the final Bible.
dan friesen
You think, I think there would probably be some more, some more back and forth.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, like how's how's Terry?
How's she doing?
You know, like those, those would be there, but it's not in the letters.
dan friesen
Right, right.
Or like response letters.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, absolutely.
How fucking dare you, Paul?
Fuck you.
We'll do Jesus our own way.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So Alex takes calls and a lot of them are boring and dumb.
Sure.
And being like, oh, I can't believe they're trying to pull this stiff and blame you.
Who cares?
Yeah.
It's shocking to hear people who are falling for that kind of nonsense.
But there's a heartbreaking side of this too.
And that is embodied by this caller, whose wife is an immigrant and has a question for Alex.
unidentified
Oh.
tyler in mississippi
Hey, it was great to talk to you finally.
I've been a long time listening.
alex jones
Yeah, sir.
tyler in mississippi
I wanted to call and talk about the illegal immigration.
with, you know, I know you know there's a whole lot of good people that are here.
And I want to know if there's anything like I married, I married an illegal, and I want to know if there's any proactive steps that we could take to maybe get on a list of, you know, leave this one alone or whatever.
We've been in the system trying to get, we've gone through two lawyers.
We've spent thousands of dollars and just the speed of the government.
alex jones
Well, it goes back to lawyers for decades.
They've kept it broken on purpose.
So if you legally try to get here, it's super hard.
But if you come illegally, the Democrats came out just last week, what we already k knew, they were giving them all social security numbers.
Right.
And then the NGOs give them other people's social security numbers to steal money and the NGOs keep part of it.
So the crime is so massive, the gangrene is so bad that they're going to have to, you know, hurt some people that aren't bad because if they don't, the whole country goes down.
dan friesen
But Sorry, your wife has to get hurt.
So Alex should realize in the moment that he's talking to this guy that the fact that his wife doesn't have access to all these things that illegals have are supposed to get is kind of proof that his claims are bullshit.
This guy is living the experience of trying to do things quote unquote the right way.
And he's saying, How do I make it clear that we're the good ones, my wife is okay?
And Alex is saying, You can't, buddy.
jordan holmes
Sorry.
Sorry.
You've been, you've been referencing a lot of books, I bet for a long time that would explain very clearly how this situation goes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's not good for you.
dan friesen
No.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
And I think that Alex's response is more or less like, I don't care.
jordan holmes
It should, I mean, it's if it were honest, it would be like, yeah, yeah, we want her gone too, right?
Duh.
You shouldn't have married her, you're ruining the blood, you know?
dan friesen
Dumb, dumb, that's the goal.
jordan holmes
Right, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, it's like When I talk about a bigger project here and there's a bigger goal, what do you think I'm talking about?
unidentified
I mean, it's okay, I get it.
jordan holmes
Nobody ever gets a good moment with their convict where the convict goes, I was conning you.
Right.
You know, that doesn't happen.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
But sometimes you have to be like, shit, I was getting conned.
alex jones
You should.
jordan holmes
You should.
dan friesen
And as this call goes on, I really think that that's what this caller should be feeling.
tyler in mississippi
My family's been here since the original 13 colonies, you know, and she knows, you know, she did come here illegally, but now she's, I mean, it's been twenty years, almost twenty years since she's been here, and she's been in the system for over ten, twelve years.
We've been married for seven or eight now, and we just, like I say, we've spent thousands and thousands of dollars, and now just because of the feet of the government, we're at risk of getting and Homan also says he says he's not going to split up families.
Well, what does that do to my family?
Is he going to deport me and my kids and grandchildren or is he going to split my family up?
alex jones
It's by the Democrats flooding at least twenty million illegal the last four years and they will steal every family.
future election if we don't deport millions.
So that is the crisis that they put us into, of total lawlessness.
dan friesen
So fuck your family.
It's really heartbreaking to hear a call, I mean, you have to presume sincerity, I guess, on the part of the caller is like, if someone's just making up a situation, then, you know, you can't prove that either way.
But assuming that this person is coming from a sincere place.
Yeah.
This story is heartbreaking.
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It is someone who has brought about and advocated for their family's own terror.
tyler in mississippi
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And he's calling this person who has endorsed that and convinced him that it's necessary that his family be terrorized.
And he's like, hey, can we get a pass on the terror?
And I'm saying, no, no.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it is something that I think people imagine in themselves, that idea of like, I will compromise my belief systems for the greater good.
You know, like if I'm, if I'm put into this situation where, you know, like, fuck it, like during the Civil Rights Fire.
During the civil rights struggle, you know, like I want to go further, I want to go deeper, but you know what?
We've got this compromise.
This is going to do the best for the greater good and time is going to go on and we're going to be able to keep fighting and keep doing this stuff, but I'm going to sacrifice what I personally believe for the greater good, right?
And then to see the greater good come about, that's it's, you know, it's what you're supposed to dream of really.
To sacrifice your belief system and then to discover that not only have you not made the greater good, but you've made everything worse and now you're going to be punished for it is just horrifying.
Like to do that to someone like this guy, we have to assume sincerity in some, sooner or later.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This guy truly believes that while he was doing all this horrible shit that everyone told him was going to come back and fuck him up.
dan friesen
Well, no, he couldn't have imagined that because it was just for the mass murderers that had taken over the streets and all the gangs who had taken over cities and stuff.
You know, that's all we're trying to do here.
tyler in mississippi
Yeah.
dan friesen
We're trying to make sure that that's taken care of and also fuck your wife and your family.
It doesn't matter to me because we have a white nationalist project that we're trying to advance here.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
You know, that's what sucks about that, right?
Right is that if you were talking to that guy two months ago, he probably sucks.
He'd say the same thing that you just did though.
Like I would say like this is going to come back and fuck you up and yada yada yada.
dan friesen
Yeah, he probably has a lot of beliefs that are fucking horrible and that we wouldn't see eye to eye on.
Right.
It's still possible to empathize.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean, but just then also realize he wasn't even using his own words.
He's saying shit that people were lying to him about.
He's just repeating lies from someone else.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Because people like Alex had been successful in inciting this level of fear that got him to the point where he would essentially vote in someone who would kick his wife out of the country.
Yep.
So it's just bleak.
You get calls like this periodically and it's very difficult to hear something like this and Alex's response being so, I don't really care.
Kind of like, yeah.
Sorry, sorry you're going through this, but it's just kind of what we have to do.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, it's tough.
It's tough because it's a little bit, it's a little bit like if you've talked to a grandparent who's been conned, who's been taking in for a couple of grand, you know.
Like there's people at the Walgreens who buy these gift cards and they have to put up signs now like, if someone's asking you to buy gift cards, it's probably a scam., you know, like that's what it is because so many people get scammed.
And at the same time, you're like, nobody from the government is Dick Boss 6969, man.
You should know this shit.
Well, right?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, Elon's.
jordan holmes
Well, now we all, now we are.
You know, now it is.
But at the same time, it is like, this guy believes some shit, but you should fucking know.
You should have fucking known.
dan friesen
Well, I think you should have fucking known.
He should have and you wish you wish you would know.
Yeah.
But a feature of this propaganda and stuff is also making you feel like you're not going to be the target of the extreme escalation that you're trying to put on other people.
And anybody who's listened to Alex's show for longer than a few years would know that that is a big part of his world.
jordan holmes
Should have fucking known.
dan friesen
Yeah, the whole 2009 PNAC or Mayak document and all of this stuff is, you know, hey, you want to do all this stuff to terrorists, but it's just going to be turned around on you.
Everyone should have known better, and Alex should know better, but he doesn't because he doesn't care.
unidentified
You only hear the stuff you wanted to hear from the those people.
dan friesen
And they only say what is profitable.
jordan holmes
Crazy.
dan friesen
So Alex has another topic that he wants to cover, and that's Bilderberg, because Bilderberg happened.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he has vague memories of covering it in the past.
Yeah.
And so he's trying to cover it on the angle of like they're trying to bring in socialism and communism based on climate change.
That's what they're back at it, huh?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
We're going to 2001 on this shit.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so he's he's going down this path.
And the first thing that they he ends up talking about as evidence of this is Christia Friedland, the Canadian politician, giving a commencement speech.
And I thought this was very strange.
alex jones
So here's a key member of the WWF's Board of Trustees and Deputy PM of Canada, Christina Friedland, openly declares war on the concept of democracy or free countries in the name of tackling climate change.
Here she is.
chrystia freeland
Our time of tranquility is over and we are living in an through what President Biden on a visit to my country in March What are those countries?
called an inflection point.
A time of transformation, he said, that comes once every five or six generations.
alex jones
Super turning.
chrystia freeland
Now, like it or not, you are graduating into that inflection point.
What is this inflection point?
What is this upheaval which is going to the roots of humanity itself?
There are many ways to describe this transformational moment, but I think they all come down to one fundamental thing.
Does capitalist democracy still work?
That's the question being posed around kitchen tables in my country and this one, as parents wonder if our children can count on capitalist democracy's essential promise of a future more prosperous than our present.
It is the question being posed by our shrinking glaciers and our warming oceans, which are asking us wordlessly but emphatically if democratic societies can rise to the existencial challenge of climate change.
alex jones
Now, yes, climate change is the reason everything is going to collapse.
Not them turning off the energy, not them dismantling industrial civilization, not them giving you college degrees that are nearly worthless or worthless.
Title, Wall Street Journal.
Young graduates are facing an employment crisis because there's no jobs for the worthless degrees they've gotten.
So they're the ones dismantling the human infrastructure on record.
Now they come as the savior and say getting rid of people's freedoms is going to be the answer to counter this.
And you notice almost all the people in the crowd graduating, I'd say seventy percent are women.
That's because in the US about sixty five percent of college graduates graduate.
which graduating are women, others are seventy in Canada.
dan friesen
So first off, this is a commencement speech that Christia Freeland gave in 2023 at Fenway Park.
It's a Northeastern University in Boston.
So I don't know what Canadian graduates' demographics have to do with this.
Second, if you've ever heard a speech before, you probably wonder if her speech includes an answer to the question, does capitalist democracy still work?
jordan holmes
Probably not.
dan friesen
Literally right after where Alex's clip cuts off, she says, quote, Now these are of course huge and fundamental challenges, but I'm not here to counsel despair or retreat.
Yeats famously said of another generation.
that came of age in a liminal moment that the best lacked all conviction while the worst were full of passionate intensity.
Spend a few minutes on social media and you may be tempted to adopt that as an apt description of our time.
But I disagree, indeed, I disagree with passionate intensity.
You have to be a real dipshit to hear that snippet of her speech and think that the answer was that no, capitalist democracies have run their course.
You have to be so stupid to hear that and not understand, hey, what's the format of a commencement speech?
Third, that clip is edited.
Here is the clip that Alex played.
Here's the portion of it that Alex played.
chrystia freeland
Does capitalist democracy still work?
That's the question being posed around kitchen tables in my country and this one.
As parents wonder if our children can count on capitalist democracy's essential promise of a future more prosperous than our present.
It is the question being posed by our shrinking glaciers and our warming oceans, which are asking us wordlessly but emphatically.
dan friesen
So curiously, here is that section unedited.
chrystia freeland
That's the question being posed around kitchen tables in my country and this one, as parents wonder if our children can count on capitalist democracies' essential promise of a future more prosperous than our present.
It is the question being posed in the muddy and bloody trenches of Bakhmut, as Ukraine's brave democrats resist the invading forces of Putin's dictatorship.
And it is the question being posed by our shrinking glaciers and our warming oceans, which are asking us.
wordlessly but emphatically.
dan friesen
So part of that editing out has to do with it being anti-Putin, but the other part is that it overcomplicates the narrative that Alex is trying to sell.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He's trying to paint the picture that Freeland is saying that because of climate change, everyone needs to give up capitalist democracy.
And by editing out the part that makes it clear that climate change was just one item on a list of challenges we're facing, Alex has created a straw man for him to argue with because he's a lying, lazy dick shit.
Yeah.
Also, it's just funny that the part that's cut it out there is the part that's critical of Putin.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that is fun.
dan friesen
And you know why that's funny?
Because Alex has a guest at the end of this episode.
alex jones
Victor Boot is a very famous, well known Russian.
He is a minister in a regional government, leader in his party.
He's a former political prisoner here in the United States for ten years, where he listened to me in prison.
That's how he knows the show, and he's really respected around the world and in Russia.
Respect is an interesting example of how Russia sees the Iran-Israel conflict.
dan friesen
You know, fear is a kind of respect.
jordan holmes
There's something to be said about respect there.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
You do get a lot of respect as an arms dealer, selling weapons to terrorist groups and shit.
So, yeah, Alex has Victor Boot back on on, I'll give you one guess as to what his agenda is.
jordan holmes
Probably saying that it's time for Putin to give up the fighting.
No, you're shaking your head.
No, I feel like that's a good starting point.
dan friesen
It's mostly Russia's cool.
jordan holmes
Oh, he hasn't gone pacifist?
Oh, wild.
dan friesen
You know, he has an interesting take on the Iran-Israel thing too, which is Iran is cool.
jordan holmes
That's crazy.
dan friesen
Yeah, wild.
I wouldn't have expected that from a guy like Victor Boot.
jordan holmes
So, you know what strikes me?
dan friesen
What's that?
jordan holmes
Right?
There's the brazenness of this No, no, no, this video, this who is catching, you know, like there are millions of people now who exist online who are just so looking for shit like this.
Just looking for shit like this.
And then they grab a little clip and then it shows up because Alex desperately needs shit like this.
dan friesen
A two year old commencement speech that's been edited.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there's everybody all the time is not doing this.
Like, it's so crazy to me that they're using these types of clips to prove how pervasive and how obvious all this stuff is.
And then it's like a commencement speech from two years ago that no one would ever have known even happened.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
And it doesn't really matter.
jordan holmes
It doesn't mean anything.
dan friesen
I think that I think that it's funny that Alex traffics in that kind of information and then yells about how the dinosaur media always lies and all this inaccurate information.
You're just pulling dumb shit from Twitter and desperately licking Russian boots.
jordan holmes
Yeah, absolutely.
dan friesen
It's fucking insane.
And the reason that I think that this is a good place for us to wrap up is that at the beginning of this episode, we're talking about Alex trying to make Iran and Israel and Russia and Ukraine these kind of comparable situations where it's globalist destabilizations trying to hold the world hostage and what have you.
He has Victor boot on and launders his reputation.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because he's a high level Russian guy.
He's well respected.
jordan holmes
He's well respected.
dan friesen
Right.
Is there an equivalent of that in the situation with Iran and Israel?
unidentified
Hmm.
dan friesen
It's not.
There's not because it's different.
Yeah.
He's a very big, big fan of, big fan of Russia.
jordan holmes
Wild.
dan friesen
Loves that shit.
jordan holmes
I think you should go pacifist.
I think that would be fun.
Because there's no reason for Victor Boot to really give a shit about Infowars, you know?
Like he doesn't care.
Like, oh, what if they don't invite me back on?
I'll be fine.
You know?
Like just one day.
One day fuck around with Alex.
Just really fuck with him.
Because I bet he wouldn't he wouldn't fight back.
dan friesen
I think you could fuck around with him for sport.
But I also think that I wouldn't be so sure if there's no consequences.
jordan holmes
Well, I mean for this is a guy.
Do you think that Putin or do you think the higher ups are going to give a shit if he's fucking with Infowars?
dan friesen
I think he's there for a reason.
jordan holmes
Oh, I see, because here's what I think.
I think he maybe did listen while he was in prison and he's just having fun.
dan friesen
I don't think so.
jordan holmes
What could they possibly need from Alex?
dan friesen
In this case, definitely pushing the Russia is great and Iran is great.
jordan holmes
Sure, but I mean, come on.
dan friesen
I think that there are very few platforms that would book Victor Boot for an American audience.
jordan holmes
See, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
I'm I think, here's what I think, okay.
Real good chance he's fucking with Alex.
Real good chance.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But also, it's very difficult for me to think of, hey, here's this guy who's an international arms dealer who was held prisoner and then was exchanged for Brittany Grinier in a high profile prisoner exchange.
jordan holmes
Very high profile.
dan friesen
That the Russian government worked out.
He's gone back.
He's now a politician.
Elect official in Russia.
And he's just randomly for fun going on infowars and spreading geopolitical propaganda.
It seems difficult to imagine that that path leads to a guy who's just fucking with Alex Steve Pocenick style.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It seems more like, hey, here's a media opportunity.
Alex is desperate and will put on anyone.
Yeah.
Especially if they're Russian.
I don't know.
jordan holmes
I wonder, Here's a question I have for you.
dan friesen
I think if he went against Russian foreign policy on Alex's show, he might get a visit.
jordan holmes
I think you're right there.
I think if he out and out was like, Russia's bad, I think that's definitely a different story.
dan friesen
I think if he was supporting Ukraine, he might not be in office right now.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's definitely true.
Here's what I'm thinking right now that I'm now that I'm past it.
Do you think Victor Boot is like, I was exchanged for a WNBA player?
You know what I mean?
Like, he's a merchant of death.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He merchants of death.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yeah, but I think even he could understand.
celebrity.
jordan holmes
Oh, it's nice to be out.
dan friesen
But also that Brittany Grinier was a high-end.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, she's a high-end.
One of the best, one of the most famous, absolutely fantastic.
She's very good, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah, I don't think that's diminishing your value as the Lord of War.
jordan holmes
I'm saying that I don't know what it would mean for an ego that's invested in being a Merchant of Death, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I would be fine with it, I'd be like, Hurray, I'm out of prison, you know?
But I don't have the ego necessary to sell weapons of mass destruction to people.
dan friesen
He seems fine.
He does seem fine with it.
jordan holmes
He seems fine with.
dan friesen
I think that if I were him, which I would never be.
jordan holmes
Obviously.
dan friesen
But should I find myself in that position?
jordan holmes
It's possible.
dan friesen
I would definitely go pacifist, because I think I have plummed the depths of violent hunting.
jordan holmes
You've probably gotten as much as you're going to get out of it.
unidentified
Yes.
jordan holmes
Right?
I nailed it.
dan friesen
It's time to move on.
I have got a second lease on life, and not much more interesting things can happen with guns.
jordan holmes
I've really done all this stuff, honestly.
Maybe I'm just over it.
alex jones
I got away clean.
jordan holmes
I'm over it.
I mean, I did my time.
I did my time.
dan friesen
It's time to be a vegan.
It's time to move on to incense.
jordan holmes
I don't know what else.
Oh, one hundred percent.
dan friesen
These are things I think.
So it's just pacifism.
Beanbag chairs, incense, pacifism and weed.
That makes sense.
Veganism and weed.
unidentified
That makes sense.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Hard not to see the parallels.
dan friesen
Anyway, Alex is a clown and we may need to speed up a little bit because the Epstein stuff is, you know, yeah.
Shit's moved, shit has moved fast.
I mean, all this feels totally irrelevant, even though it's very important.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it is a question of, like, the truth.
How important is geography really in terms of how we process things?
Because the way that this assassination has felt like it's felt like people are treating it the same way they would treat a political assassination in a different country.
Yeah.
You know, like is it really just like, oh, wow, Minnesota's Minnesota.
It's its own place.
Right.
You know?
Because we would always have, we would have imagined for a long time, if there was a political political assassination in the United States, it would be huge.
dan friesen
Well, it was.
I mean, Gabrielle Giffords when they tried to shoot her.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Like that wasn't even a success successful assassination.
No, and we still remember her name.
jordan holmes
Absolutely.
dan friesen
Everything about this years later.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
I don't know that people are going to remember Melissa Hortman's name as like a really important inflection point in politics.
And that's weird.
That feels very weird to me.
jordan holmes
It's wild.
dan friesen
It doesn't feel like the environment that I remember growing up in.
It feels like this would have been a moment of sorrow for the country and Yeah.
jordan holmes
It really does feel like there would have been a whole day, you know?
dan friesen
Probably more.
jordan holmes
Like of at least there would have been have been like, Oh, we're doing a whole thing today, you know?
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Well, wow.
Fucking wild.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Anyway, we'll check in, see where Alex is at, and another dumb shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
But we have a website.
jordan holmes
Indeed we do, it's knowledgefight dot com.
Yeah, we'll be back.
dan friesen
But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm the Mysterious Professor.
Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
jordan holmes
And now here come the Sex Robots.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
So Alex, I'm a first time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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