#1028: Mystery Babylon #2
In this installment, Dan and Jordan continue to ignore Alex because he failed to save Gene Hackman, as they seek to make sense of Bill Cooper's historically important Mystery Babylon series.
April 23, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
01:05:49
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| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
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Knowledge fight. | |
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
|
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Stop it. | |
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
|
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I love your room. | |
| KnowledgeFight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
|
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Jordan. | |
| Dan. | ||
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Jordan. | |
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, Jordan, is yep. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| We've gotten some packages from some folks. | ||
|
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We have. | |
| Full of candy and nonsense. | ||
| And I just wanted to give a little bit of thanks to some of those folks who we've maybe lost track of a little bit. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But a lot of good candies coming in. | ||
| A lot of shit also, but I think they know that. | ||
| I think it's on purpose. | ||
| I think some of them are trying to fuck with me a little bit. | ||
| Yeah, there's a little bit. | ||
| Gummy fettuccine and all this nonsense. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But there's, you know, hey. | ||
| I'll take all entrants. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's an open challenge. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So, thank you to Jason and Cassandra of Tacoma. | ||
| Thank you, Mary Lou, Reno, and Ian. | ||
| Also, Ashley, Nathan, Mochi, Wasabi, Azuki, Suba, Pixel, Penny, Papura, and Pow. | ||
| Thank you all. | ||
| I've not eaten all of the candy yet, because it's actually a comical amount that I've gotten of gummies and various things, but I love it. | ||
| Also, we've got another thing, a nice comic of the cat. | ||
| Oh, yes, that's right. | ||
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From Eric. | |
| So thank you to Eric for that. | ||
| I actually have that at the shop getting framed right now. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| A comic book of the 1960s Robert Loja TV show that we're watching. | ||
| The Cat. | ||
| The Cat. | ||
| I didn't know there was a comic book of that. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm excited to get that, put it on the wall, stare at Loja's face all day. | ||
| Yeah, it's always nice. | ||
| It's always nice to see the young, sexy Loja. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| So thank you all for those wonderful things that came in the Zip. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is tomorrow night, or tonight probably, when you're listening to this. | ||
| My wife and I are going to the first Cubs game of the year for us, and for us together, the first Cubs game we've ever been to together. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| Yeah, pretty excited about that. | ||
| So it's going to be a nice little date night. | ||
| Who are they playing? | ||
| Dodgers. | ||
| Sorry, in advance. | ||
| We're going to lose. | ||
| Oh, yeah, no. | ||
| Well, we're going not for the Cubs. | ||
| We're going for Shohei Otani. | ||
| I don't know if you remember that guy. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do, but I know that you're also a longtime Cubs fan. | ||
| Well, actually, the Cubs might actually be good this year. | ||
| I've said that, I want to say, for about 78% of my life. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| And it's been correct one time. | ||
| In 2016. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yes, but they might actually be pretty good this year. | ||
| I feel like, at least at the beginning of the season, a lot of people have that hope. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Especially classically bad teams have that we might be good this year. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Until you hit that wall and you're like, oh no, we suck again. | ||
| Well, they've got some good people. | ||
| They've got Kyle Tucker. | ||
| He's hitting like a beast right out the gate. | ||
| They've got some good pitching. | ||
| Justin Steele just went down, though, so that's not great. | ||
| But you know what? | ||
| It's a long season. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| It's possibly too long of a season. | ||
| It's probably too long of a season for all of those people to make it through. | ||
| Shorten it up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I hope you have a great time. | ||
| You gonna get a hot dog? | ||
| Nah, peanuts. | ||
| Peanuts? | ||
| Peanuts. | ||
| What about Cracker Jacks? | ||
| Never. | ||
| No? | ||
| Uh-uh. | ||
| Shelled peanuts, my man. | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Ball game. | ||
| I like a hot dog. | ||
| I respect that. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I respect the hot dog. | ||
| As long as there's respect. | ||
| There's full respect for the hot dog. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I have decided we are staying away from Alex still because my birthday is not coming gone yet. | ||
| And so I am continuing with Mystery Babylon. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We are doing Mystery Babylon Part 2 to try and figure out what the fuck is Bill Cooper talking about. | ||
| What is the mystery? | ||
| What is the mystery? | ||
| Who is this religion? | ||
| How does this connect to the present? | ||
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Yep. | |
| From the last episode, I feel like we don't really have many answers other than the sun is God or Jesus. | ||
| And then some words sound similar and aren't actually connected, but Bill thinks they are. | ||
| So we'll see if it develops deeper than that. | ||
| Might not. | ||
| I strongly doubt it. | ||
| You think so? | ||
| You're going in without the optimism of the early season for the Cubs? | ||
| Low expectations means low bar to cross over. | ||
| I'm rooting for everybody, including Bill Cooper, apparently. | ||
| Well, we'll see what happens. | ||
| But first, before we get to that, let's take a little time to say hello to some wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, how many policies could a policy wonk wonk if a policy wonk could wonk policies? | ||
| Thank you so much for now, Policy Wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| You can't trip me up. | ||
| No. | ||
| I'm too good at these tongue twisters. | ||
| Can't. | ||
| Next, dear Mike Adams, I'm too busy being a lesbian to open up a fire hydrant because my wife is actually satisfied in the bedroom. | ||
| Sincerely, the lesbian firefighter of your nightmares. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Thank you, and happy to share my hate of Alex Jones with you. | ||
| Fuzzy, thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you, and we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Elon Dick Sweeney. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| Technocrat. | ||
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I'm a policy wonk. | |
| Four stars. | ||
| Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | ||
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | |
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ. | ||
| Technocrat. | ||
| I said technocrat. | ||
| You did. | ||
| Last minute save. | ||
| Like in baseball. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Whenever you... | ||
| Catch the ball at the last minute. | ||
| This is what it's called. | ||
| Buzzer beater, like in baseball. | ||
| Like in baseball. | ||
| So we start off here, Bill giving his opening to lecture number two. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There aren't subtitles on these episodes, but this one I would subtitle Silly Nonsense. | ||
| Does he delineate, like... | ||
| This is lecture two, meaning that I fully completed everything I wanted to do in lecture one. | ||
| It is a series of broadcasts that he set out to do. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So if he didn't, that's on him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I'm understanding that. | ||
| I'm just wondering if he makes it clear, like, okay, now that I've finished lecture one, which we all understand clearly, right, now we can go on to lecture two. | ||
| I think he might hope that's the case. | ||
| I don't know if it is. | ||
| But he opens this show on a very serious note and prophesies his own death because he's telling you these secrets. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Good evening, folks, and welcome once again to the Hour of the Time. | ||
| I'm your host, William Cooper. | ||
| We continue where we left off last Friday night, February the 12th. | ||
| I want to quickly reiterate that what you're going to hear does not necessarily reflect my beliefs or my religion or the beliefs of the staff or management of WWCR, Worldwide Christian Radio. | ||
| What you are hearing, folks, is for the first time in history the public revelation of the origin, the history, the dogma, and the identity of those who operate in secret. | ||
| To bring about a worldwide totalitarian socialist government. | ||
| They are known to Christians as Mystery Babylon. | ||
| It is an ancient religion. | ||
| Now get a pencil and paper ready, because if you did not tape last Friday night's broadcast, or if you did not hear it, you must order it. | ||
| You must order it. | ||
| You have to have this information. | ||
| And if you have any possible way to tape tonight's broadcast, either tape it or order this tape. | ||
| You can order studio quality tapes from us and I will give you that information later in this broadcast. | ||
| Make sure, as always, that you have pencil and paper or pen and paper by your side at all times. | ||
| You will want to write down important portions of this broadcast, and you certainly will want to get our address and phone number and the price of the tapes. | ||
| Those of you who are smart enough to know what is transpiring here know that these are historic broadcasts. | ||
| and by making these broadcasts I have sealed my fate. | ||
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All right, well... | |
| That's fair. | ||
| You gotta love it. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| Have fun. | ||
| Have a little fun with life. | ||
| I am going to be killed for this and I am breaking the chains of history by coming on the radio and telling you about my crazy bullshit. | ||
| Yeah, that's great. | ||
| I think Bill does this more effectively than Alex, which is using these kinds of things, like that fanfare, to elevate The drama of what he's doing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's closer to radio theater than Alex with his, you know, like the Imperial March. | ||
| It really is. | ||
| We've talked about it, like it comes back so quickly, the differences between, because I remember Bill Cooper episodes from literally 700 episodes ago that are immediately like, oh yeah, this guy knows when to hit a sting. | ||
| He just knows how to do it. | ||
| Yeah, I think it's more of a, like, I wonder if, I wonder if it's that Like, time is a commodity. | ||
| Like, he's on the radio for this slot. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he cannot afford more time. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know, like, it's not something he has, like, unlimited amounts of. | ||
| Whereas for Alex, he could just go on air as much as he wants. | ||
| Like, who gives a shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There is no preciousness to time. | ||
| Whereas for Bill, it's like, I've got to dramatically say this and then hit the button in order to get the show as it is and fly in at the... | ||
| I've got to be off air at this point. | ||
| It does feel like the limitations of the form for him allow him to kind of like... | ||
| Become good at things. | ||
| And the lack of limitations, as always, has done Alex a massive disservice. | ||
| And let's just also not go too far. | ||
| It's relatively good. | ||
| He's not that great. | ||
| I mean, he's a shortwave radio guy. | ||
| And also, I think one of the major things that... | ||
| I don't know if we talked about enough, is that Bill was on WWCR. | ||
| And Alex eventually became on WWCR. | ||
| So the Worldwide Christian Radio shortwave channel, I think that there's a lineage there. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And maybe one of the reasons Bill hated Alex so much. | ||
| One, Alex is a total liar. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And all that shit. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But then two, he was in his spot. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Anyway, we talked about the son being Jesus on the last episode. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| We talked about that a little bit more. | ||
| Folks, when we stop to realize that every single king, prince, lord, governor, dictator, despotic ruler, civil and social institution, national flag, coat of arms, educational institution, military medal, award, organizational insignia, medallion, badge, emblem, citation, trophy, banner, pendant, political standard or ensign, agency of government or religion... | ||
| Give 36,000 more examples. | ||
| primary symbol, then it can truly be said in the mystery school that God's Son is, quote, King of Kings and Lord of Lords, unquote. | ||
| That's not really accurate, though. | ||
| All of those things are not... | ||
| They don't all use the sun as a primary symbol. | ||
| No. | ||
| That just doesn't... | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| A lot of golf trophies use a guy with a golf club as a primary symbol. | ||
| Well, that's just an extension of the mystery schools. | ||
| Is Jesus Jack Nicklaus? | ||
| Well, I was thinking about... | ||
| Jack... | ||
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Oh, you... | |
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| Yeah, move a few letters. | ||
| I think you can do it. | ||
| I think you can get to Jesus from Jackless, yeah. | ||
| From Jackless? | ||
| From Jack Nickless. | ||
| So I think that maybe, like, medals and stuff, he brought up medals. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And I was like, is that just because some of them are round? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And look like the sun? | ||
| I'm not sure I'm going to give you points for that. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But also, obviously the sun would be a... | ||
| Pretty universal symbol, because it's above all our fucking heads. | ||
| In fact, I would argue it's one of the most recognizable things out there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I would say almost everybody. | ||
| Only because air is invisible. | ||
| Yes, there is definitely that issue. | ||
| Well, not for much longer is air invisible. | ||
| The sun is known. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Its name rings out. | ||
| It's relatable. | ||
| So if the, you know, sun is God, then the sun needs to be betrayed by Judas, who is a scorpion. | ||
| Scorpio, the zodiac. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| Cancer's the crab. | ||
| Here we note another cleverly disguised part of the whole... | ||
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Cleverly? | |
| According to the mystery school, misunderstood and plagiarized story, for they believe that Christianity is a perversion of the mysteries. | ||
| And that's why they hate Christians. | ||
| In the ancient world, months were counted according to the phases of the moon. | ||
| They were called the lunar months on the lunar calendar. | ||
| Now, since Scorpio, the scorpion, is the astrological sign starting in late October, the first month of autumn, It follows that October, the scorpion, with his deadly backbiting tail, betrays the sun in autumn, leading directly to his death in winter, and is known as Judas. | ||
| When? | ||
| By whom? | ||
| To whom? | ||
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And that's where the October surprise comes from. | |
| Where? | ||
| And I'm telling you right now that Barbara Honiger was a plant. | ||
| Yeah, Barbara Honiger was a plant. | ||
| And that's also where October surprise comes from? | ||
| You bet. | ||
| From Judas the Scorpion. | ||
| So the original October surprise was Judas getting Jesus killed. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it was surprising. | ||
| I mean, yeah, sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Barbara Honiger was a whistleblower. | ||
| She worked in the Reagan administration. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| that George H.W. Bush had worked behind the scenes to make sure that the hostages taken by Iran were not released until after the election because the non-resolution of that problem hurt Jimmy Carter's chances of getting re-elected. | ||
| She later published a book about what she'd found called The October Surprise, and I guess that she was a secret cult plant in doing that in order to send some sort of a message about Scorpios and I don't know. | ||
| This is thin. | ||
| Okay, here's my question to you. | ||
| So I'm here. | ||
| Also, the sun doesn't die in the winter. | ||
| You can't prove that. | ||
| I can see it in the winter still. | ||
| Well, yeah, but I mean, you can see a dead body. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So here I am. | ||
| I'm glued to my radio, pen and pad, and I'm writing furiously down. | ||
| For what purpose to use when? | ||
| You know how we're both sort of playing blueprints right now? | ||
| You know how sometimes you'll take down a note? | ||
| Oh, I'm taking down notes. | ||
| This will help me solve the ultimate mystery. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| That's what they're doing. | ||
| They're writing down, like, Scorpion, Judas, Barbara Honiger. | ||
| Where are you at the next time where you're like, oh, I can't wait to tell people about Scorpio and Barbara Honiger? | ||
| I mean, it's not a fun party that this is the cocktail conversation. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the scorpion is Judas. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he betrayed Jesus, who is the sun, in order to bring in winter. | ||
| And the 30 pieces of silver were, as the North American Indians would say, 30 moons of silver needed for the month to betray the sun and cause his unhappy death. | ||
| In relation to this, another interesting point, factually speaking, when a person is bitten by a deadly scorpion, the wound appears to be or looks like two human lips. | ||
| The ancients called this the kiss of death. | ||
| This is why we read that Judas, our October, gives God's son the kiss, leading to his death in winter. | ||
| See, it all checks out. | ||
| Does it? | ||
| Nope. | ||
| The scorpion stings don't always look like tulips. | ||
| Ancient people might have called getting stung by one some variation of a kiss of death, but I don't think this is the route that Bill is making it out to be. | ||
| Plus, October has 31 days, so shouldn't Judas have been given 31 pieces of silver if this was gonna match up? | ||
| Like, I hear what Bill's saying, but it's not convincing at all. | ||
| Also, this only relates to the Northern Hemisphere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Scorpio is a spring sign in the Southern Hemisphere. | ||
| So is this mystery only relevant for half of the world, or what's the deal here? | ||
| Because it doesn't work. | ||
| In the Southern Hemisphere. | ||
| It is always nice whenever the Babylonian mysteries reveal themselves to have been written by people who did not know that the Earth was very, very big. | ||
| It's huge. | ||
| Fucking huge, man. | ||
| Yeah, and Bill doesn't seem to think that's an issue. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why would it be? | ||
| If the Earth is the size... | ||
| No, of course it's an issue. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| The stars are different from different places. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think that we can look at this and say this is stupid. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And I think we can say a lot of this is a little convenient dot connecting. | ||
| A lot of this stuff seems like maybe on the surface these things are connected, but they're actually not. | ||
| But I owe everyone an apology. | ||
| Oh, yeah? | ||
| Because I didn't realize how hard Bill had worked on this. | ||
| Oh, that's not good. | ||
| Our research has been thorough. | ||
| And we have managed to place members of CAGI within the Masonic Lodges, and we have verified everything that we are telling you here now. | ||
| Have you? | ||
| We have infiltrated the lodge. | ||
| They've infiltrated the lodge. | ||
| They know that they're the Masons' shit. | ||
| I infiltrated the lodge one time. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The Lincoln Lodge? | ||
| I was a kid. | ||
| I went to the Masonic Temple and they were like, hello! | ||
| And that was it. | ||
| It was very kind. | ||
| Did they offer to sell you a hat? | ||
| No, but a bunch of old men played Magic the Gathering with me. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So that was nice. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I know that there's a lot of fun that people get out of Mason stuff, but I can't imagine that Bill and his buddies infiltrated The Masons and came away with a lot of real great information. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's just dumb. | ||
| They're just fucking with you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And on one level, it's like, I get it, you're having fun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| On another level, you think that you're going to be killed for revealing these secrets, and you're just having fun. | ||
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If... | |
| Okay. | ||
| Here's what I don't... | ||
| I can't imagine somebody being like, oh... | ||
| This guy's figured out the 30 days in October is 30 pieces of silver. | ||
| We're gonna have to kill him. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, you can have that one. | ||
| That one's free. | ||
| I'll even let you have all the made-up bullshit about October you want. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No one's coming after you for this. | ||
| No one's coming for you. | ||
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No. | |
| So what if, though, you reveal a bunch of secrets about Egypt? | ||
| Oh, well, Egypt doesn't take shit lightly. | ||
| No, certainly not. | ||
| No, they go hard. | ||
| Well, oftentimes through curses. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Which we'll get to later. | ||
| I imagine so. | ||
| But first, let's talk about some of the gods of Egypt. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| In Egypt, God's risen son was Horus. | ||
| At 12 noon, he became the Most High. | ||
| In this exalted position, he became the mediator between God and man. | ||
| His name was Amun-Ra. | ||
| Ra equals re of the sun. | ||
| His shepherds on earth were called priests of Amun. | ||
| They would direct their prayers to the invisible God, the Father, through his mediator. | ||
| Amun-Ra. | ||
| And God's son was the great Amun with his rays. | ||
| In the New Testament, he, the son, is still called. | ||
| At 2 Corinthians, chapter 1, verse 20. In Revelations 1, verse 7, in Revelations 3, verse 14, the Amen. | ||
| At the end of prayers in the temples of Egypt, they would say, Amen. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| How does that grab you? | ||
| It does not. | ||
| It doesn't, yeah. | ||
| It's not accurate. | ||
| Amen comes from the Hebrew word for truth. | ||
| So if God is called the Amen in the... | ||
| The Hebrew text is truth. | ||
| And Amun-Ra is not the same as Horus. | ||
| Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis, whereas Amun was part of the Ogdoad, the group of eight primordial entities, deities. | ||
| This is just mixing all kinds of shit up because you want to connect them. | ||
| It feels to me a little bit like this, right? | ||
| So it feels like he is opening up with each... | ||
| Exploration into Mystery Babylon. | ||
| With something along the lines of, just a reminder, this is what they believe. | ||
| And then telling me an incredibly stupid story. | ||
| Am I supposed to be like, man, look at these idiots. | ||
| Yeah, that's the dynamic that I have a really difficult time with. | ||
| Because I think no self-respecting mystery cult would be this stupid. | ||
| Yeah, it's dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that there are glaring errors that are made by their supposed belief system. | ||
| If this is their belief system, yes. | ||
| I think what he's doing is trying to create a kind of ominous evil side. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But I think he does believe that they... | ||
| Here's the issue. | ||
| Later we're going to talk about magic. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Of course we are. | ||
| Let's revisit this idea once we get to that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because on that specific point, I think we get a little murky. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And as it relates to who the Egyptian gods are, it's not as consequential whether Bill believes this or he believes that someone else believes it. | ||
| Yeah, that's fair. | ||
| Whereas with magic... | ||
| I think it's going to be a lot more relevant. | ||
| It's very consequential if you or you don't, if you do or do not believe in magic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's on you. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| And if you do, you'll always have a friend wearing big red shoes. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Ronald. | ||
| Ramen. | ||
| Ramen. | ||
| Ramen McDonald. | ||
| Ramen McDonald. | ||
| So, the name is real. | ||
| The name Israel? | ||
| Or the name Israel? | ||
| The name Israel. | ||
| Israel. | ||
| Bill talks about that a little bit. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now look at the word Israel. | ||
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I-S-Isis-R-A-R-A-R-A-L-G-O-D. | |
| What? | ||
| It is the androgynous god. | ||
| And it's been in front of your eyes all the time. | ||
| All the time, folks. | ||
| Anyone who goes to any library and does the research that we have done can reveal that the religion of Mystery Babylon is exactly as I have stated it last Friday night and during this broadcast, and will continue to state it because there is a lot more, folks. | ||
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We have, in fact, not even yet begun. | |
| Certainly feels like it. | ||
| I don't know what we've accomplished. | ||
| Also, this is not the etymology of the name Israel. | ||
| Hebrew scholars have a few different interpretations on where the name Israel comes from, both as a name for an individual person as well as the name denoting the Israelites. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| The L part is fairly well agreed upon to mean God, but past that, there are a couple ways that people look at it. | ||
| In Genesis 32, Jacob wrestles with an angel. | ||
| Quote, So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. | ||
| When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. | ||
| And the man said, Let me go, for it is daybreak. | ||
| But Jacob replied, I will not let you go unless you bless me. | ||
| The man asked him, What is your name? | ||
| Jacob, he answered. | ||
| Then the man said, your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome. | ||
| In this understanding, the name means one who has struggled with God. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| One who carries God. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There are other interpretations that mean something closer to, like, God is in charge, but no one who's serious about this subject thinks that Israel is a combination of ISIS, Ra, and El. | ||
| This is really dumb. | ||
| Okay, I gotcha. | ||
| Okay, so is, like 2B is, alright, Ra, Sun God Ra, El Kabong. | ||
| So is Ra El Kabong? | ||
| And then over time, Kabong has been taken off for obvious reasons. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Brevity. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| So that's where it comes from. | ||
| The Looney Tunes. | ||
| Well, this, I mean, obviously this raises an important question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's the definition of is? | ||
| Bill Clinton asked us, and I don't think we have a satisfactory answer. | ||
| Mystery Babylon, there we go. | ||
| Barbara Honiger. | ||
| I love throwing in a very specific, very time-sensitive name to the ancient Mystery Babylon religion. | ||
| She was a cult front. | ||
| Thousand years ago! | ||
| Right, but I think you see Alex do that, too. | ||
| I think that's one of the things that this tradition, like, they hyper-presentize some of the concerns that are supposed to be about, like, thousands of years of occult history. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For thousands of years, people have prophesied that Barbara Honiger was going to be like, Ah! | ||
| I gotcha! | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it's all revealed by this Netflix movie. | ||
| Whatever, dude. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So Bill talks about his allegiances. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Bill's particular allegiances. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, he has three of them. | ||
| I firmly believe, and I live my life according to this, that I owe my first allegiance to my God and Jesus Christ. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Doesn't make sense. | ||
| And the family is thus able to survive and be protected and thrive. | ||
| And the family is the basic unit of civilization. | ||
| Period. | ||
| And I further believe that any man or woman without principles that they are ready and willing to die for at any given moment that they are called upon to do it are already dead and are of no use or consequence to anyone, not even themselves. | ||
| Understand what I just said. | ||
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| That is cold. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That is cold. | ||
| So that's great, and I'm happy for Bill having his allegiances all sorted out like that, but the conception he's laid out makes him a sheeple, just like the people he derides all the time. | ||
| The persona that he takes on, this character that he plays to the audience that he's preaching to, is the guy who researches and follows the truth as it exists, not as he wants it to be. | ||
| But the allegiances he has can't allow him to be that. | ||
| It's inherently an act, because his first allegiance isn't to the truth. | ||
| God is a proxy for truth for him, so truths that don't comport to his religious belief won't be seen as truth to him, and that's a problem. | ||
| The idea of why he gives his allegiances as he does is fascinating, too. | ||
| God is number one because God gives us rights. | ||
| The Constitution is two because it protects our rights. | ||
| And then the family is three because it's the basis of society. | ||
| The way he views family makes sense, and the Constitution part is fair enough. | ||
| He's basically saying that the Constitution is important because he doesn't want to be inconvenienced by having to constantly fight for his rights to be validated against being violated by stronger people. | ||
| And that's fair enough. | ||
| Like, the Constitution allows him to not always be fighting. | ||
| And that's fine. | ||
| The idea that God needs to be the top priority because God gives those rights is a sticky theological pickle. | ||
| If God gives us rights and the ability to be free, then we don't need to make God a priority. | ||
| We've been given the freedom not to, so these rights shouldn't be conditional on being subservient to God. | ||
| If they're conditional in that way, then God has really just enslaved humanity by giving us fake rights and freedom that can be taken away if we misbelieve and life is basically just a cruel trick. | ||
| I don't think that it's wrong or even dumb to be religious or even make your relationship to the divine an important aspect of your life. | ||
| But when religion is this root justification for political beliefs and philosophy, you run into trouble pretty quickly, which is why you need to go a couple steps further and build up this base. | ||
| If your first allegiance is to God, then... | ||
| I think you're threatened by the idea of making truth your first allegiance because you're worried that that would undermine your other allegiances. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| And I see that as being an inherent problem for someone like Bill. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, first off, I disagree with his conception wholeheartedly. | ||
| I don't think there should be a ranking system for your allegiances. | ||
| I think everything comes down to fuck, marry, kill. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So for me, Mary, my wife and family, obviously already did. | ||
| Fuck, we're going to go with God. | ||
| I'm going to fuck God. | ||
| God seems pretty chill. | ||
| Probably can do crazy stuff. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Kill the Constitution. | ||
| I'm sick of that shit. | ||
| Get it out of here. | ||
| Done. | ||
| All right? | ||
| So there we go. | ||
| Now I've got a much better system that's more consistent. | ||
| How about you? | ||
| I don't want to answer. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I think if you killed God, then that opens up all kinds of... | ||
| Ah, Nietzsche already did that forever ago. | ||
| But what happens then, you know? | ||
| What do you mean what happens? | ||
| He's already been killed like 60 years ago. | ||
| And what happens if you fuck the Constitution? | ||
| Well, I mean, I think we all know what happens if you fuck the Constitution. | ||
| Somebody gives you a phone call. | ||
| I don't really want to engage with this. | ||
| Okay, fair enough. | ||
| So, I think that Bill is... | ||
| I get the way that he conceives of himself. | ||
| But I think that it's inherently flawed. | ||
| And it leads him to be as much of a follower as he derides everyone else for being. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| If he was still alive, I'd like to ask him, how does that feel? | ||
| What does that mean to you? | ||
| That's also kind of absurd. | ||
| I think it's an absurd thing. | ||
| That's absurd. | ||
| We're about to get into magic. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Now, humans are too rational to believe in magic. | ||
| That doesn't sound true at all. | ||
| Well... | ||
| I mean, what about mummies? | ||
| Wait, do mummies believe in magic? | ||
| Isis was the patroness of the magical arts among the Egyptians. | ||
| The use to which magic should be put is revealed in the Osirian cycle where Isis applies the most potent of her charms and invocations to accomplish the resurrection of Osiris. | ||
| In other words, the redemption of the human soul. | ||
| That the gods of Egypt were elements of a profound magical system and possessed a significance far different from that advanced by modern Egyptologists is certain. | ||
| The various deities of the Nile Valley were elements of an elaborate magical metaphysical system, a kind of ceremonial Kabbalah. | ||
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This cannot be denied. | |
| But even when impressed with the reality of this fact, the modern Egyptologist still balks. | ||
| Supposing, he asked, that the Egyptians did possess an elaborate metaphysical doctrine. | ||
| Of what value is its rediscovery in an age when the natural has been demonstrated to be mediocre and the supernatural non-existent? | ||
| Even if these extinct persons whose mummies clutter up our museums were the custodians of some mysterious lore, we have simply outgrown it. | ||
| Let the dead pass, various dead, they say. | ||
| We prefer to live in an era of enlightenment, an enlightenment which you would blight by asking us to espouse the superstitions of our remote ancestors. | ||
| These so-called superstitions, however, it is interesting to note, die hard. | ||
| In fact, they do not die at all, but insinuate themselves as a discordant note in our matter-of-fact existences. | ||
| McCall's magazine published some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled The Curse of Amun-Ra, dealing with the phenomena attendant upon the opening of the tomb of the pharaoh Tutankhamen. | ||
| So look, man. | ||
| You don't believe in magic? | ||
| What about the tombs of the pharaohs and the curse? | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| I see you have no answer. | ||
| Therefore, Bill has won the point. | ||
| I believe I do have an answer, and I think it's become something of, I guess, a new life proposition for me. | ||
| Anytime one of these people says something very commandingly, like, this cannot be denied, my first instinct shall always be to be... | ||
| I deny that then. | ||
| I strongly deny that. | ||
| If you say it cannot be denied, that strongly suggests that it needs to be denied. | ||
| And in fact, probably should be. | ||
| It's been proven. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's documented. | ||
| I believe it has. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's beyond debate. | ||
| Wrong! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I debate that. | ||
| I generally think that those are tales for like, oh, we're on shaky ground. | ||
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Yep, yep, yep. | |
| You're trying to overcompensate. | ||
| Don't ask questions is a good way to start. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So the Egyptians had magic, I guess. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, we know of the mummies. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The mummies! | ||
| Come on! | ||
| The mummies! | ||
| The mummies! | ||
| I mean, do I... | ||
| Does he think they're cluttering up our museums? | ||
| He certainly said that. | ||
| But look, here's the deal. | ||
| I also agree with him kind of that it's in poor taste to have mummies in museums. | ||
| I wouldn't put it as cluttering up our museums, but when you really break it down, it's not cool. | ||
| Listen, if that's the angle you want to take, that's fine. | ||
| I just feel like cluttering is probably the wrong word. | ||
| It's disrespectful. | ||
| At the very least, mummies do belong in me, or at least not belong, but are appropriate fixtures for a, this is a place where things are several thousand years old. | ||
| Yeah, but maybe there are too many of them. | ||
| Hey, listen, that's a... | ||
| Preference thing. | ||
| If you're like a janitor at a museum, you're like sweeping up like, God damn, another mummy. | ||
| God damn these mummies! | ||
| A lot of people who went to Tutankhamen's tomb. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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They died. | |
| Did they? | ||
| McCall's magazine published some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled The Curse of Amun-Ra. | ||
| Dealing with the phenomena attended upon the opening of the tomb of the pharaoh Tutankhamen. | ||
| After vividly describing the curse of Amun-Ra, the author sums up the effect of this curse upon those who came in contact with the tomb or its contents. | ||
| His statements are in substance as follows. | ||
| At the time the tomb was opened, the party present at the excavations included the Earl of Carnarvon, Howard Carter and his secretary, Dick Bethel, M. Benedict, the French archaeologist, You can't have one guy survive if you want me to believe it's a magical curse. | ||
| That's not how magic works. | ||
| Unless you show me that the person who survived got deep into magic and found ways to protect themselves from the curse. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| There were 58 people present when the tomb was opened and many of them lived in Norma last lives afterwards sure howard carter died in 1939 17 years after the discovery of tut's tomb having a struggle with hodgkin's disease lord carnivore died in the year after the discovery having been bit by a mosquito the wound of which got infected after he had cut himself shaving or like was picking at the sore sure One guy died from heat stroke, but it was the middle of Egypt in the 20s. | ||
| Rough time, yeah. | ||
| A lot of heat back then, not a lot of AC. | ||
| Quite a bit, quite a bit. | ||
| The idea that there was a curse killing these people who opened the tomb or came in contact with the things from it, it was made popular by novelists like Arthur Conan Doyle, and it latched onto the public's imagination, but it's nonsense. | ||
| Really stupid. | ||
| But I was thinking about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was thinking about the time. | ||
| Like, if I had lived in the 20s, and there was this idea that there was a mummy's curse, would I go into the tomb? | ||
| And I decided that I wouldn't. | ||
| You wouldn't? | ||
| But it's not out of fear of the curse. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I just think it would be disrespectful. | ||
| It would be rude. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They took the time to curse it. | ||
| Well, it's obviously like, you know, should I be here? | ||
| I don't want to dig up a grave either. | ||
| Fair. | ||
| Okay, okay. | ||
| I just think it's kind of like, this isn't my place. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| It has nothing to do with the curse, but I wouldn't go. | ||
| Here's where I went. | ||
| I didn't go back to the 20s. | ||
| I went back to the guys who were writing the curse, alright? | ||
| Do you think they're like, man. | ||
| This is gonna be so funny. | ||
| It's gonna freak them out. | ||
| Because nobody actually believes in magic. | ||
| We're all modern Egyptians here. | ||
| We know that magic's not real. | ||
| Only those old-timers actually believe in that crazy shit. | ||
| But we're gonna write this down because later on people are gonna believe it, right? | ||
| And then I'm thinking, if you write a curse down now, everybody's gonna be like, ah, this guy. | ||
| He's fucking crazy. | ||
| But, a thousand years from now... | ||
| They might think it's true! | ||
| Right. | ||
| If you put something in a time capsule, you're gonna fuck with someone's head. | ||
| It's 10,000% more important than just because it's old. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if you're looking for a prank, that's not a bad one. | ||
| That's not a bad one, yeah. | ||
| So, a lot of people died from this tomb curse. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Debatable. | ||
| But Bill goes on, and they were probably killed by magic. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Only recently. | ||
| Another name was added to the long list associated with the tragedy. | ||
| Arthur Weigel, after a long and mysterious illness, similar to that defined in the curse, is the most recent victim. | ||
| The imminent authority on antiquities, Dr. Marta said, quote, the Egyptians for 7,000 years possessed the secret of surrounding their mummies with some dynamic force of which we have only the faintest idea, unquote. | ||
| Over the entrance to the tomb of Tutankhamen was a magical tablet inscribed with strange hieroglyphics. | ||
| Dr. Mardis named this tablet the Stella of Malediction, for it pronounced a fearful curse upon any sacrilegious person who might violate the sanctuary of the deified head. | ||
| So, according to Time magazine, an article from 1934, Arthur Weigel died from cerebral asterioslerosis. | ||
| That would have been 12 years after the discovery of the tomb. | ||
| It really feels like grasping at straws to try and connect this shit. | ||
| I mean, there's... | ||
| So, the nice thing about dying is that it's a 100% chance, right? | ||
| So, the great thing about curses is that it's just a four-dimensional problem. | ||
| If it's not cursy enough for you, just wait. | ||
| They're gonna die. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, eventually, and then you can make something up. | ||
| And death can be made suspicious if you want. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| You just bend certain details and, yeah. | ||
| Also, that stele of malediction. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a fun name. | ||
| It is. | ||
| It might not be real. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| It might be a thing of legend. | ||
| That's a real struggle, yeah. | ||
| There is not, like, you can't find this at a museum or... | ||
| Too many fucking mummies around. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Cluttering up the place. | ||
| So I thought that was interesting, though, like you got this curse, Stella of malediction, and I was like, okay, all right, let's hear some more about that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And thankfully, Bill reads it. | ||
| The fictional thing? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| O ye beings from above, O ye beings from below, phantoms riding the breasts of men, ye of the crossroads and of the great highways, wanderers Ah, that's okay. | ||
| night and ye from the abysses of the west on the fringes of the twilight dwellers in the caverns of obscurity who rouse terrors and shuddering and ye walkers by night whom I will not name friends of the moon and ye intangible inhabitants of the world of night. | ||
| O people. | ||
| O denizens of the tombs, all of you approach and be my witnesses and my respondents. | ||
| Let the hand raised against my form be withered. | ||
| Let them be destroyed who attack my name, my foundation, my effigies, the images like unto me." Can modern Egyptologists and scientists in all branches and departments view lightly the culture of the Egyptians if their researches into the forces of nature gave them such strange power and enabled them to master natural laws of which modern learning has no knowledge or conception? | ||
| Wait, but did it, though? | ||
| Did you know that Lars Hansen was reared in the Stell Group? | ||
| Did you know that a very famous talk show host who covers for the Masons all the time was a member? | ||
| Are you talking about Johnny Carson? | ||
| You who listen to these people and believe them blindly, you the sheeple of the world. | ||
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Circumstances so extraordinary as the curse of King Tutankhamen simply overtax the theory of mere coincidence, folks. | |
| Nor is this an isolated case, as those will remember who read the accounts of the Cleopatra mummy curse many years ago. | ||
| Ah, more mummy curses. | ||
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Damn. | |
| So that stele doesn't exist for Bill to be quoting. | ||
| So when he said the words there on it, I was like, where is this coming from? | ||
| Yeah, that's very difficult. | ||
| But because he gave the actual words, you can actually find them. | ||
| It's easier to find. | ||
| And it turns out, all of this, everything, the whole Egypt magic, that shit, All of it is just him reading word for word out of a book by Manly P. Hall called Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians. | ||
| Great. | ||
| This is such a disappointment, and this is where it gets to the question of what does he believe? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because it sounds like this is what Bill is saying. | ||
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| It sounds like he's saying the Egyptians knew magic, damn it. | ||
| He is 100% asserting in his own voice. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That magic is real, and those people did die as a result of magical powers. | ||
| Yes, that is how it comes off. | ||
| In actuality, he's reading and then throwing in folks here and there, or like a complaint about a talk show host. | ||
| But the rest of it is all just Manly P. Hall's text, like word for word. | ||
| When he says quote and then end quote, that's from the quotes that exist in the book. | ||
| He's not ending the quote from the book. | ||
| Okay, gotcha. | ||
| Paragraphs upon paragraphs. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I think it borders on plagiarism. | ||
| Yeah, it's plagiarism. | ||
| That's what plagiarism is. | ||
| It borders on it. | ||
| He's dead. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| I agree with that. | ||
| Anyway, that kind of led me to be really disappointed because I was like, I don't know what to think of this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know if Bill does believe that magic, the Egyptians were practicing magic. | ||
| I think he, I'm inclined to think he thinks that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, okay, I think here's where we run into problems with the word magic, is that I know that Bill would obviously agree with the concept of the supernatural, and that I think we would colloquially describe as magic, but for some people there's a very different... | ||
| The thing between the spiritual supernaturality and the magical supernaturality. | ||
| I think a little bit later he does say, while he's reading from this Manly P. Hall book, that sorcery and magic are different. | ||
| See, there we go. | ||
| It always comes there. | ||
| Magic is a supreme understanding of the natural world, whereas sorcery is something else. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| The Egyptians knew magic in that sense or something. | ||
| I think that distinction is there. | ||
| Yeah, that just means anytime you call somebody out on something, they do a little split. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So after this point, when I realized that this stele was just from Manly P. Hall, and that's all he'd been reading, I kind of was like, well, now I have the script. | ||
| Now I have the script. | ||
| I can just see what he's going to say before he says it, because it's in this text. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Manly P. Hall. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Scorpion. | ||
| Crab. | ||
| Add a U.S. on that. | ||
| Manly phallus. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so you change MAN to CRAB. | ||
| Crably phallus? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We've gotten to the bottom of it. | ||
| I think we nailed it. | ||
| Crably P. Hall. | ||
| Crab dicks. | ||
| Yeah, that's it. | ||
| So, we struggled in the last episode to make sense of whether or not the Mystery Babylon religion was something that relied on stuff they'd learned about... | ||
| Pre-Christian times? | ||
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| Or if it existed before Christianity? | ||
| Because they believe that Christianity is a version of their own thing. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And in this next clip, I think we can solve that mystery, Babylon. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| You may wonder where all this is going. | ||
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| But it becomes clear when you understand that the Egyptians inherited the religion of Babylon. | ||
| So are we to presume? | ||
| That this single phase of ceremonial magic constituted the entire repertoire of the Egyptian almatages? | ||
| You see, if they could manifest such surprising power, is it not probable that they possessed a knowledge of other natural hidden forces, forces as yet unknown to the modern public world, which is possibly of inestimable value? | ||
| So when he says you may wonder where this is going, Bill is editorializing, but then he immediately jumps back into the Bentley P. Hall text. | ||
| But what we can take away from this is definitely the mystery religion that Bill's rambling about predates Christianity. | ||
| It was a bit unclear in the first episode, but now there's no doubt. | ||
| It goes from Babylon, they inherited it in Egypt, and then it has gone on through time ever since. | ||
| I have a... | ||
| Here's... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Here's the problem I have with the plagiarism thing. | ||
| It's not the plagiarism part. | ||
| It's that he asked me to sit by the radio with a pen and paper. | ||
| Right, just go buy that book. | ||
| Just tell me what book you're reading from. | ||
| I don't need to take notes if there's a book that I could be reading. | ||
| I'm wasting my time. | ||
| But I think it's important that Bill is editorializing a little bit while just reading straight from this text. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because it's what Alex does, too. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's depriving an audience of really understanding what is from you and what is from this other place. | ||
| It makes it much more difficult to assess what is the point you're making, what's the veracity of this information. | ||
| And, yeah, it's a thread that goes throughout these guys. | ||
| Yeah, and it's what they do to their advantage. | ||
| The blurry you are, the harder it is to pin you down, and if you can't be pinned down, then nobody can ever say that, oh, this person's definitively wrong. | ||
| You're all the way over here. | ||
| Are you saying that you believe that the Egyptians did magic? | ||
| I mean, I'm not saying that I believe the Egyptians did magic. | ||
| It really sounded like that's what you were saying. | ||
| Well, I am saying that the Egyptians did magic. | ||
| Right, but you're really just saying that Manly P. Hall said that the Egyptians did magic. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I agree with them. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So, Bill seems to be saying that they did do magic. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds right. | ||
| We are assured in the authorized version, and note I say authorized version, of Holy Writ that the magicians of Egypt changed their staves or rods into serpents in the presence of Pharaoh. | ||
| The modern scientist does not live who can duplicate that phenomena. | ||
| Yet if he happens to be a good Christian, he is in somewhat of a dilemma. | ||
| We can pass over all the desperate efforts to disprove the magical powers of the Egyptians as arising not from a mature knowledge, but from a desperate prejudice. | ||
| You see, magic is too ancient and too universal to be explained away by mirrors, wires, and hinges. | ||
| In Egypt, we are dealing unquestionably with true manifestations of occult power. | ||
| So after he said that a real Christian has a dilemma, Bill appears to diverge from the Manly P. Hall text, but he's really just skipping over like four paragraphs, and he jumps back into the text as it is. | ||
| But it does seem like they knew magic. | ||
| See, here's the thing. | ||
| And Christians have to accept that. | ||
| I hate this shit, because I want magic. | ||
| I'll do it. | ||
| You know, like, this is the problem with their whole dramatic angle towards it, is that it's always gotta be something you wrestle with, and it comes with that. | ||
| Fuck that. | ||
| I'll take it. | ||
| I'll take magic. | ||
| I'll take it right now. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| What do you want? | ||
| What do you want to take from me, the devil? | ||
| My soul? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Done. | ||
| We'll do it. | ||
| I'm done. | ||
| But you have to give me- We're only on episode two. | ||
| But you have to give me magic, and then I have to do magic, you know? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, this is my problem. | ||
| They're always like, oh. | ||
| Well, they would never give it to you because you want it too bad. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know? | ||
| I think that if that were a bargain that people could strike up... | ||
| We'd have a lot of really fucked up things in history. | ||
| We'd have a lot of people just doing magic all over the place. | ||
| Yeah, why not? | ||
| I like that you looked outside just to confirm, like, no magic out there? | ||
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Cool. | |
| Well, there's an airplane. | ||
| Well, there's a little magic out there, though. | ||
| Yeah, in a sense. | ||
| If that's your definition of magic, I don't even want to have this conversation, though. | ||
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Fair enough. | |
| If it's like, we figured out how to fly a plane. | ||
| We figured out how to fly a plane. | ||
| Fuck you, yeah. | ||
| So Bill, I think, is not sure. | ||
| About the magic thing? | ||
| But he's also sure of it. | ||
| God, I hate people. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| A highly gifted Egyptologist, Lenore Mont, acknowledges Egyptian magic as an essential part of their religious philosophy. | ||
| James Bonwick, FRGS, thus summarizes the powers possessed by Egyptian adepts. | ||
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Quote, Egyptian mystics... | |
| Fine. | ||
| Fire, live underwater, sustain great pressure, harmlessly suffer mutilation, read the past, foretell the future, make themselves invisible, and cure disease. | ||
| Unquote. | ||
| Why? | ||
| That is what this expert says. | ||
| Now, if you doubt the power of magic wielded by the priests of Mystery Babylon, on Listen to this. | ||
| Or we can compare James Bondwick's account with some other news from Tibet. | ||
| Another land long famous for magic. | ||
| So what's the point? | ||
| You can levitate and fly and live underwater and all this stuff. | ||
| The Mystery Babylon magicians could all do this. | ||
| Now, I don't know if I believe it, but this expert says... | ||
| What are we supposed to do with that perspective? | ||
| This expert that I've described as extremely gifted. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Or Manly P. Hall did. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So if you're going to describe somebody as extremely gifted... | ||
| Only to negate everything they've said by going, what do you think? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Then what's the point of having words? | ||
| Well, because the conclusion would have to be, I don't believe this fucking expert. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This person, therefore, is not an expert. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They're a liar, or they're an incorrect person, and extremely gifted means they're extremely gifted with incorrectitude. | ||
| And that, to me, means that Bill has got to believe they can do magic. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| Otherwise, this is an incoherent hour of broadcasting. | ||
| Absurd. | ||
| So that's at least something we've learned. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Last time we learned that God, Jesus is the sun. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Up in the sky. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we learned this time that Mystery Babylon predates Christianity. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And that magic is part of it. | ||
| They can do magic. | ||
| And that Bill is kind of a plagiarist. | ||
| I swear to God, if magic was real, I could totally do magic. | ||
| I could totally do it. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I mean, if magic was real, if it's a measure of belief or imagination or willingness to sacrifice or any of those things, if magic was real, I could totally have done it by now. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You know what I can't do? | ||
| Focus long enough to do card tricks. | ||
| When you say I could do, I didn't know if you meant like you were physically capable. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, I mean, I think we all are. | ||
| What if it comes down to a situation where like, I don't know, you run into a genie. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And the genie says, I'll give you all the magic you want. | ||
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Cool. | |
| You say yes. | ||
| And then it turns out, uh-oh, your body just isn't like, it just, you have the wrong blood type or something like that. | ||
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Fair. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Then now I know. | ||
| That would be kind of disappointing, though. | ||
| I mean, it might be kind of disappointing, but what's really interesting about that, though, is that there is a result. | ||
| That I can be like, actually, magic is real. | ||
| I just have a shitty blood type, you know? | ||
| Now, maybe I can't prove that to anybody else, but I would know that magic was real. | ||
| Well, I should tell you a little story. | ||
| About a genie? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I have the wrong blood type, but I am capable of all sorts of magic. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| How would you ever know? | ||
| I believe you. | ||
| Anyway, Bill's stupid. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We have one last clip here, and it's connecting the Egyptian magic to more present-day concerns, like Aleister Crowley. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And according to Plato, the highest form of magic consisted in the divine worship of the gods, plural. | ||
| And according to Iamblichus, the priests, through sacrodotal theurgy, were able to ascend from a material state of unconsciousness to a realization of the universal essence, thus coming to an understanding of universal essence. | ||
| Real quick, Bill said unconscious, but it was actually conscious in the text. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
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By which the performance of high heats of magic became possible. | |
| Thousands of years later, Aleister Crowley... | ||
| Claimed the same thing. | ||
| Now this is significant. | ||
| It's proper at this point to establish a clear line of demarcation between magic and sorcery. | ||
| You see, the term magic was not associated with occult jugglery by the Egyptians, but arose from a profound understanding of natural law. | ||
| Magic Said General Albert Pike, and you will be hearing an awful lot of General Albert Pike during this series of shows. | ||
| Ancient Egyptian General Albert Pike? | ||
| Magic, says General Albert Pike, is the exact and absolute science of nature and its laws. | ||
| Unquote. | ||
| From the knowledge of this absolute science arises occult science. | ||
| Occult merely means hidden, folks. | ||
| From experience in occult science, in turn, arises the theurgic art. | ||
| For as surely as man has adapted his physical universe to his purposes, so surely the adept of the mystery school adapts the metaphysical universe to his purposes. | ||
| To acknowledge that the Egyptians possess the power of adapting mystical forces to physical ends is to bestow upon them proficiency in the most perfect and difficult of the arts, according to the mystery religion of Babylon. | ||
| Yet to deny this ability on the part of the Egyptian priests is to deny the evidence, and we must resign ourselves to the undeniable fact... | ||
| must we that they possess the form of learning which has not been conferred upon this present race at least publicly men like Alistair Crowley have proven that it Has he? | ||
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Is it? | |
| Folks, we are in desperate need of money to help pay for airtime. | ||
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If you like this show, if you want to stay on me, then please reach down in your pockets. | |
| Contribute. | ||
| Hey, that's familiar. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| So that's another little Alex-y-ism. | ||
| Nice ad pivot there. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I don't... | ||
| A lot of this is still just reading the Manly P. Hall thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I don't get... | ||
| Exactly what groundwork he's laying. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Other than like, okay, these magicians who it's not like fucking magic magic, they just know the rules of nature so well that they can manipulate reality. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That has existed since the beginning of time or whatever, and this cult has come down to Aleister Crowley. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Bummer. | ||
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Bummer. | |
| What a real bummer. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, at least Jack Parsons eventually did blow things up. | ||
| Sure, there's mysticism. | ||
| That's a bummer. | ||
| But then he built rockets, so that's pretty cool. | ||
| That's pretty magical. | ||
| But Aleister Crowley fucked a lot. | ||
| Yeah, but that's kind of what Jack Parsons was into, too. | ||
| That's why they were hanging out. | ||
| Him and Elrond and Aleister. | ||
| All fucking people. | ||
| I don't know where we are. | ||
| In terms of the point. | ||
| That's a good question. | ||
| We end a second adventure. | ||
| I do feel like something is... | ||
| I wanted to say taking shape, but that's not fair. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It's not, but there's an idea of something that could possibly maybe take shape. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay, so by virtue of reading somebody else's book... | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| At the very least, you are saying... | ||
| Just by doing, that it is of import. | ||
| It has to be. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Because, no, I think that he's reading Manly P. Hall's book and pretending that it is the result of his... | ||
| Of his research. | ||
| And his, like, investigators getting inside the Masons. | ||
| In the Masons, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| I think that's the little shell game that he's playing. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
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So he has to... | |
| At the very least he has to be giving the listener the impression that this is something that you have to know is real. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is real. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It can't just be stupid. | ||
| Yeah, it can't just be like, hey, y 'all ever hear about this? | ||
| Like, it can't be that. | ||
| He's reading it the way that he's reading it. | ||
| There's no other implication than, like, oh, I have to take this seriously. | ||
| And this serious guy is saying that magic is real. | ||
| Yeah, and you need to learn these important lessons about what your enemy believes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And it is important to understand this because they can do magic. | ||
| I mean, if that's the point... | ||
| If the point of all of this is that I should really learn what my enemies understand and believe, because my enemies are actually capable of doing magic, I submit this to you. | ||
| I want to be their friend and not yours. | ||
| I want magic. | ||
| I don't know if I automatically go that direction, but I definitely feel like my experience of listening to these first two so far has been like... | ||
| Look, I don't know if I'm on Mystery Babylon's side, but I'm certainly not on Bill's. | ||
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No. | |
| Bill's side makes little sense, seems stupid, and I think he's not comporting himself well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If this is an eternal struggle between two sides, he's made the other side make more sense, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's not great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But yeah. | ||
| Magic's not real. | ||
| I personally feel a shame to watch somebody shadowbox and lose. | ||
| That is very difficult. | ||
| To make up an enemy's dumb ideas and to lose to them. | ||
| I worry about this, too. | ||
| I think this is something that came up in our past explorations of Bill. | ||
| If this is all just reading Manly P. Hall, I mean, the first chapter of his book is just republishing silent weapons for quiet wars. | ||
| Yeah, he's a plagiarist. | ||
| Yeah, so I worry that maybe there isn't much of him other than he's just reading these things. | ||
| Of all the things to find out through all of what we've done, I think it would be really cool to find out that Bill Cooper was not even... | ||
| Not a fraud in the way that we think he was. | ||
| Just a regular fraud. | ||
| But he was even more of a fraud than we could ever have imagined. | ||
| He was even more of a fraud than Alex because he's not even this person. | ||
| It doesn't appear that there's a ton of research he's done. | ||
| It's just a book. | ||
| He's just a liar who's reading out of a book! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| We'll see if that's the case. | ||
| I think I'll probably, maybe at least... | ||
| Trying to learn a little bit more. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| But, yeah. | ||
| Until then, we have a website. | ||
| Until we do, it's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| We'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DZX Clark. | ||
| I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Woo! | ||
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
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Thanks for holding. | |
| Hello, Alex. | ||
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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