Dan Friesen and Jordan Holmes dissect Mystery Babylon #2 by Bill Cooper, exposing his sun-as-God’s-son claim and debunking Scorpio-Judas astrological links. They reject Egyptian deity parallels, mock his "God first" truth hierarchy, and critique his plagiarized occult assertions—levitation, curses—from Manly P. Hall. His vague "eternal struggle" framing feels more like conspiracy theater than research, mirroring Alex Jones’ tactics but with less coherence. Ultimately, the episode reveals Cooper’s ideas as either reckless or fabricated, undermining his credibility while highlighting the dangers of unchecked pseudohistory. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm just wondering if he makes it clear, like, okay, now that I've finished lecture one, which we all understand clearly, right, now we can go on to lecture two.
Good evening, folks, and welcome once again to the Hour of the Time.
I'm your host, William Cooper.
We continue where we left off last Friday night, February the 12th.
I want to quickly reiterate that what you're going to hear does not necessarily reflect my beliefs or my religion or the beliefs of the staff or management of WWCR, Worldwide Christian Radio.
What you are hearing, folks, is for the first time in history the public revelation of the origin, the history, the dogma, and the identity of those who operate in secret.
To bring about a worldwide totalitarian socialist government.
They are known to Christians as Mystery Babylon.
It is an ancient religion.
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Those of you who are smart enough to know what is transpiring here know that these are historic broadcasts.
and by making these broadcasts I have sealed my fate.
We've talked about it, like it comes back so quickly, the differences between, because I remember Bill Cooper episodes from literally 700 episodes ago that are immediately like, oh yeah, this guy knows when to hit a sting.
Folks, when we stop to realize that every single king, prince, lord, governor, dictator, despotic ruler, civil and social institution, national flag, coat of arms, educational institution, military medal, award, organizational insignia, medallion, badge, emblem, citation, trophy, banner, pendant, political standard or ensign, agency of government or religion...
According to the mystery school, misunderstood and plagiarized story, for they believe that Christianity is a perversion of the mysteries.
And that's why they hate Christians.
In the ancient world, months were counted according to the phases of the moon.
They were called the lunar months on the lunar calendar.
Now, since Scorpio, the scorpion, is the astrological sign starting in late October, the first month of autumn, It follows that October, the scorpion, with his deadly backbiting tail, betrays the sun in autumn, leading directly to his death in winter, and is known as Judas.
that George H.W. Bush had worked behind the scenes to make sure that the hostages taken by Iran were not released until after the election because the non-resolution of that problem hurt Jimmy Carter's chances of getting re-elected.
She later published a book about what she'd found called The October Surprise, and I guess that she was a secret cult plant in doing that in order to send some sort of a message about Scorpios and I don't know.
And the 30 pieces of silver were, as the North American Indians would say, 30 moons of silver needed for the month to betray the sun and cause his unhappy death.
In relation to this, another interesting point, factually speaking, when a person is bitten by a deadly scorpion, the wound appears to be or looks like two human lips.
The ancients called this the kiss of death.
This is why we read that Judas, our October, gives God's son the kiss, leading to his death in winter.
The scorpion stings don't always look like tulips.
Ancient people might have called getting stung by one some variation of a kiss of death, but I don't think this is the route that Bill is making it out to be.
Plus, October has 31 days, so shouldn't Judas have been given 31 pieces of silver if this was gonna match up?
Like, I hear what Bill's saying, but it's not convincing at all.
Also, this only relates to the Northern Hemisphere.
It is always nice whenever the Babylonian mysteries reveal themselves to have been written by people who did not know that the Earth was very, very big.
I know that there's a lot of fun that people get out of Mason stuff, but I can't imagine that Bill and his buddies infiltrated The Masons and came away with a lot of real great information.
Anyone who goes to any library and does the research that we have done can reveal that the religion of Mystery Babylon is exactly as I have stated it last Friday night and during this broadcast, and will continue to state it because there is a lot more, folks.
Also, this is not the etymology of the name Israel.
Hebrew scholars have a few different interpretations on where the name Israel comes from, both as a name for an individual person as well as the name denoting the Israelites.
There are other interpretations that mean something closer to, like, God is in charge, but no one who's serious about this subject thinks that Israel is a combination of ISIS, Ra, and El.
I think that's one of the things that this tradition, like, they hyper-presentize some of the concerns that are supposed to be about, like, thousands of years of occult history.
And the family is thus able to survive and be protected and thrive.
And the family is the basic unit of civilization.
Period.
And I further believe that any man or woman without principles that they are ready and willing to die for at any given moment that they are called upon to do it are already dead and are of no use or consequence to anyone, not even themselves.
So that's great, and I'm happy for Bill having his allegiances all sorted out like that, but the conception he's laid out makes him a sheeple, just like the people he derides all the time.
The persona that he takes on, this character that he plays to the audience that he's preaching to, is the guy who researches and follows the truth as it exists, not as he wants it to be.
But the allegiances he has can't allow him to be that.
It's inherently an act, because his first allegiance isn't to the truth.
God is a proxy for truth for him, so truths that don't comport to his religious belief won't be seen as truth to him, and that's a problem.
The idea of why he gives his allegiances as he does is fascinating, too.
God is number one because God gives us rights.
The Constitution is two because it protects our rights.
And then the family is three because it's the basis of society.
The way he views family makes sense, and the Constitution part is fair enough.
He's basically saying that the Constitution is important because he doesn't want to be inconvenienced by having to constantly fight for his rights to be validated against being violated by stronger people.
And that's fair enough.
Like, the Constitution allows him to not always be fighting.
And that's fine.
The idea that God needs to be the top priority because God gives those rights is a sticky theological pickle.
If God gives us rights and the ability to be free, then we don't need to make God a priority.
We've been given the freedom not to, so these rights shouldn't be conditional on being subservient to God.
If they're conditional in that way, then God has really just enslaved humanity by giving us fake rights and freedom that can be taken away if we misbelieve and life is basically just a cruel trick.
I don't think that it's wrong or even dumb to be religious or even make your relationship to the divine an important aspect of your life.
But when religion is this root justification for political beliefs and philosophy, you run into trouble pretty quickly, which is why you need to go a couple steps further and build up this base.
If your first allegiance is to God, then...
I think you're threatened by the idea of making truth your first allegiance because you're worried that that would undermine your other allegiances.
Isis was the patroness of the magical arts among the Egyptians.
The use to which magic should be put is revealed in the Osirian cycle where Isis applies the most potent of her charms and invocations to accomplish the resurrection of Osiris.
In other words, the redemption of the human soul.
That the gods of Egypt were elements of a profound magical system and possessed a significance far different from that advanced by modern Egyptologists is certain.
The various deities of the Nile Valley were elements of an elaborate magical metaphysical system, a kind of ceremonial Kabbalah.
But even when impressed with the reality of this fact, the modern Egyptologist still balks.
Supposing, he asked, that the Egyptians did possess an elaborate metaphysical doctrine.
Of what value is its rediscovery in an age when the natural has been demonstrated to be mediocre and the supernatural non-existent?
Even if these extinct persons whose mummies clutter up our museums were the custodians of some mysterious lore, we have simply outgrown it.
Let the dead pass, various dead, they say.
We prefer to live in an era of enlightenment, an enlightenment which you would blight by asking us to espouse the superstitions of our remote ancestors.
These so-called superstitions, however, it is interesting to note, die hard.
In fact, they do not die at all, but insinuate themselves as a discordant note in our matter-of-fact existences.
McCall's magazine published some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled The Curse of Amun-Ra, dealing with the phenomena attendant upon the opening of the tomb of the pharaoh Tutankhamen.
At the very least, mummies do belong in me, or at least not belong, but are appropriate fixtures for a, this is a place where things are several thousand years old.
McCall's magazine published some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled The Curse of Amun-Ra.
Dealing with the phenomena attended upon the opening of the tomb of the pharaoh Tutankhamen.
After vividly describing the curse of Amun-Ra, the author sums up the effect of this curse upon those who came in contact with the tomb or its contents.
His statements are in substance as follows.
At the time the tomb was opened, the party present at the excavations included the Earl of Carnarvon, Howard Carter and his secretary, Dick Bethel, M. Benedict, the French archaeologist, You can't have one guy survive if you want me to believe it's a magical curse.
There were 58 people present when the tomb was opened and many of them lived in Norma last lives afterwards sure howard carter died in 1939 17 years after the discovery of tut's tomb having a struggle with hodgkin's disease lord carnivore died in the year after the discovery having been bit by a mosquito the wound of which got infected after he had cut himself shaving or like was picking at the sore sure One guy died from heat stroke, but it was the middle of Egypt in the 20s.
The idea that there was a curse killing these people who opened the tomb or came in contact with the things from it, it was made popular by novelists like Arthur Conan Doyle, and it latched onto the public's imagination, but it's nonsense.
Another name was added to the long list associated with the tragedy.
Arthur Weigel, after a long and mysterious illness, similar to that defined in the curse, is the most recent victim.
The imminent authority on antiquities, Dr. Marta said, quote, the Egyptians for 7,000 years possessed the secret of surrounding their mummies with some dynamic force of which we have only the faintest idea, unquote.
Over the entrance to the tomb of Tutankhamen was a magical tablet inscribed with strange hieroglyphics.
Dr. Mardis named this tablet the Stella of Malediction, for it pronounced a fearful curse upon any sacrilegious person who might violate the sanctuary of the deified head.
So I thought that was interesting, though, like you got this curse, Stella of malediction, and I was like, okay, all right, let's hear some more about that.
O ye beings from above, O ye beings from below, phantoms riding the breasts of men, ye of the crossroads and of the great highways, wanderers Ah, that's okay.
night and ye from the abysses of the west on the fringes of the twilight dwellers in the caverns of obscurity who rouse terrors and shuddering and ye walkers by night whom I will not name friends of the moon and ye intangible inhabitants of the world of night.
O people.
O denizens of the tombs, all of you approach and be my witnesses and my respondents.
Let the hand raised against my form be withered.
Let them be destroyed who attack my name, my foundation, my effigies, the images like unto me." Can modern Egyptologists and scientists in all branches and departments view lightly the culture of the Egyptians if their researches into the forces of nature gave them such strange power and enabled them to master natural laws of which modern learning has no knowledge or conception?
But because he gave the actual words, you can actually find them.
It's easier to find.
And it turns out, all of this, everything, the whole Egypt magic, that shit, All of it is just him reading word for word out of a book by Manly P. Hall called Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians.
I mean, okay, I think here's where we run into problems with the word magic, is that I know that Bill would obviously agree with the concept of the supernatural, and that I think we would colloquially describe as magic, but for some people there's a very different...
The thing between the spiritual supernaturality and the magical supernaturality.
So after this point, when I realized that this stele was just from Manly P. Hall, and that's all he'd been reading, I kind of was like, well, now I have the script.
Now I have the script.
I can just see what he's going to say before he says it, because it's in this text.
So, we struggled in the last episode to make sense of whether or not the Mystery Babylon religion was something that relied on stuff they'd learned about...
But it becomes clear when you understand that the Egyptians inherited the religion of Babylon.
So are we to presume?
That this single phase of ceremonial magic constituted the entire repertoire of the Egyptian almatages?
You see, if they could manifest such surprising power, is it not probable that they possessed a knowledge of other natural hidden forces, forces as yet unknown to the modern public world, which is possibly of inestimable value?
The blurry you are, the harder it is to pin you down, and if you can't be pinned down, then nobody can ever say that, oh, this person's definitively wrong.
We are assured in the authorized version, and note I say authorized version, of Holy Writ that the magicians of Egypt changed their staves or rods into serpents in the presence of Pharaoh.
The modern scientist does not live who can duplicate that phenomena.
Yet if he happens to be a good Christian, he is in somewhat of a dilemma.
We can pass over all the desperate efforts to disprove the magical powers of the Egyptians as arising not from a mature knowledge, but from a desperate prejudice.
You see, magic is too ancient and too universal to be explained away by mirrors, wires, and hinges.
In Egypt, we are dealing unquestionably with true manifestations of occult power.
So after he said that a real Christian has a dilemma, Bill appears to diverge from the Manly P. Hall text, but he's really just skipping over like four paragraphs, and he jumps back into the text as it is.
You know, like, this is the problem with their whole dramatic angle towards it, is that it's always gotta be something you wrestle with, and it comes with that.
Fire, live underwater, sustain great pressure, harmlessly suffer mutilation, read the past, foretell the future, make themselves invisible, and cure disease.
I mean, if magic was real, if it's a measure of belief or imagination or willingness to sacrifice or any of those things, if magic was real, I could totally have done it by now.
And according to Plato, the highest form of magic consisted in the divine worship of the gods, plural.
And according to Iamblichus, the priests, through sacrodotal theurgy, were able to ascend from a material state of unconsciousness to a realization of the universal essence, thus coming to an understanding of universal essence.
Magic, says General Albert Pike, is the exact and absolute science of nature and its laws.
Unquote.
From the knowledge of this absolute science arises occult science.
Occult merely means hidden, folks.
From experience in occult science, in turn, arises the theurgic art.
For as surely as man has adapted his physical universe to his purposes, so surely the adept of the mystery school adapts the metaphysical universe to his purposes.
To acknowledge that the Egyptians possess the power of adapting mystical forces to physical ends is to bestow upon them proficiency in the most perfect and difficult of the arts, according to the mystery religion of Babylon.
Yet to deny this ability on the part of the Egyptian priests is to deny the evidence, and we must resign ourselves to the undeniable fact...
must we that they possess the form of learning which has not been conferred upon this present race at least publicly men like Alistair Crowley have proven that it Has he?
Other than like, okay, these magicians who it's not like fucking magic magic, they just know the rules of nature so well that they can manipulate reality.
If the point of all of this is that I should really learn what my enemies understand and believe, because my enemies are actually capable of doing magic, I submit this to you.