#1013: January 30, 2025
In this installment, Dan and Jordan take in Alex bringing in Roger Stone to talk about the JFK files that Trump was set to release, and trying to decide whether or not a plane crashing is suspicious.
March 3, 2025 - Knowledge Fight
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| It's time to pray. | ||
| I have great respect for knowledge fight. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Dan and Jordan. | ||
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| Need money. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
|
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Andy in Kansas. | |
| Stop it. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| It's time to pray. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
|
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Thanks for holding me. | |
| I'm a huge fan. | ||
| I love your work. | ||
| Knowledge Fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
|
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
|
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Dan. | |
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
| What's up? | ||
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today, I need your help with. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Because it begins with a question. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What do you know about this guy, this cat, Post Malone? | ||
| What do you know about this guy? | ||
| What do I know about him? | ||
| I know nothing about him. | ||
|
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Really? | |
| I know he did the song for Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Which was my favorite movie, maybe, of all time. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| The end. | ||
| That's all I know about Post Malone. | ||
| I recognize that he's a giant star. | ||
| Super huge. | ||
| But I also realized the other day... | ||
| I know nothing about him past a vibe. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know what his music sounds like. | ||
| He's got a vibe. | ||
| I have legitimately no idea. | ||
| I assume he's a rapper, right? | ||
| No, I think he's a singer guy. | ||
| He's got a good voice. | ||
| I don't know anything. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So what prompted this is I was walking through the store and I saw that he had a new Oreo out. | ||
| He had designed an Oreo. | ||
| All right. | ||
| A Post Malone Oreo. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I was like, I don't know what this Oreo is going to be like. | ||
| I don't know what his music would lead me to think it would be like. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I got them because I wanted to try it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, as I was staring at the packaging, I thought, wouldn't it be fun to listen to his music for the first time while I ate the Oreo? | ||
| To, like, have a full Post Malone experience? | ||
| To just really Post Malone. | ||
| To, like, make up for all the non-Post Malone time by cramming as much Post Malone into as short a period of time as possible. | ||
| Like, you were taking a test tomorrow on Post Malone. | ||
| Well, and what if, like, something about the Oreo is unlocked by the song? | ||
| Of course. | ||
| Or the music. | ||
| Maybe I have to understand it in order to get the cookie. | ||
| We are just chemicals floating in space. | ||
| Yeah, so it didn't help me understand the cookie. | ||
| Not the cookie? | ||
| No. | ||
| I also am confused by his music. | ||
| Seems like there's a little bit of country stuff going on. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| His vibe confuses me even further now. | ||
| I have no idea what he's all about. | ||
| I didn't dislike it or anything. | ||
| I had nothing to grab onto. | ||
| And the cookie is fine. | ||
| It kind of tastes a little bit like a pancake with syrup. | ||
| It's salted caramel and something or other, but it ends up tasting... | ||
| Altogether, a little bit like a pancake. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So it's not awful, but it's, you know, it's far from the worst Oreo that I've had. | ||
| Here's where my head's at. | ||
| Two places. | ||
| One, is it Post Malorio or Postio Malone? | ||
| Which do you prefer? | ||
| Neither. | ||
| Neither? | ||
| No. | ||
| Disappointing. | ||
| I will not think about it again after I am done with these Oreos. | ||
|
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Fair enough. | |
| Probably. | ||
| And I don't know. | ||
| It was a lot of Post Malone to take in in one swing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But I feel better for it. | ||
| And my second thing is celebrity branded foods now. | ||
| They're everywhere. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Too much. | ||
| Well, I think that I like it. | ||
| You like it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| People used to have shoes. | ||
| I don't know what's better or worse, foods or shoes. | ||
| Well, I mean, forever we've had celebrity-endorsed boozes and stuff. | ||
| Oh, delightful. | ||
| But I like the idea of trying to associate some snack with a face of a celebrity. | ||
| Do you know what the one that gets me is? | ||
| The Nicolas Cage chips? | ||
| No, but I need to have those. | ||
| I don't think they exist. | ||
| Ah, shit. | ||
| No, there's this... | ||
| Nicolas Cage has his own wrap snacks. | ||
| Chip-a-less cage! | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| There's the YouTube guy, the Mr. Beast guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's got the thing and it's called a Feastable. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it makes me so angry because I keep being like, it's called a Mr. Beastable, right? | ||
| Like, what are we doing? | ||
| How can you have Feastable? | ||
| I tried one of those candy bars and I thought, what a waste. | ||
| What a waste of celebrity branding. | ||
| It's not taking a swing at anything. | ||
| It's just kind of boring. | ||
| Just disgusting. | ||
| Anyway. | ||
| I hate it. | ||
| What's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is we got my dog groomed. | ||
| Not groomed to look good. | ||
| Groomed to fix all of the horrible mistakes that we've made. | ||
| Oh, not as a spy? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| You didn't prepare it for a life of espionage? | ||
| That's not how it worked. | ||
| We didn't raise her from a child to stab things. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| No, and I was just feeling very grateful because my wife's mom can do that and Fanny needed it. | ||
| She got... | ||
| Matt's in between her toes, and we got that taken care of. | ||
| I've been running around on the ground all the time. | ||
| And then we brought her donuts, and I moved some stuff. | ||
| Bartering! | ||
| Much better system. | ||
| Oh, I thought you meant you brought the dog donuts. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| We brought my wife's mom some donuts. | ||
| Bartering is a way better system. | ||
| Those potato donuts? | ||
| Perfect. | ||
|
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Of course. | |
| I can get a lot of stuff for those potato donuts. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Those are prison valuable. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| The only problem is they don't hold too long, so when the collapse comes, you're going to have a good day if you have a stock of them, but then it depreciates quickly. | ||
| It's a rough three-day hike. | ||
| Your barter. | ||
| Runs out of juice. | ||
| If you get six, you may have to eat it in a day, and that's going to be bad for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did you get all three dogs groomed up? | ||
| Nope, just the one who needed it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And then the other two, they did a good job staying at home by themselves. | ||
| We're all very happy. | ||
| Oh, sure. | ||
| It's good stuff. | ||
| We're applauding that now? | ||
|
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Yep. | |
| That's what I'm doing. | ||
| I stay at home by myself all the time. | ||
| That's what I do. | ||
| No one pats me on the back for it. | ||
| No, I actually do pat you on the back for it. | ||
| For staying home all the time. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| Oh, Dan, you didn't pee on the rug. | ||
| It's very nice of you not to pee on the rug. | ||
| Well, I'm considerate. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So, today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Now, we've been slowly progressing through the time after the inauguration. | ||
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Sure. | |
| On our last episode, we talked about January 29th. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What do you think we're doing today? | ||
| I hope... | ||
| Wait, was the 20th? | ||
| I'm gonna go with what we're gonna do on January 30th. | ||
| That's an interesting theory that you have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We are doing that. | ||
| Hey! | ||
| But. | ||
| Oh, no. | ||
| We're also doing the evening of the 29th because Alex did another show. | ||
| No, he did not. | ||
|
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He did. | |
| So we're going to talk about the evening of the 29th and Alex's show on the 30th. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Well, I do know. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Roger Stone was available. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| So we'll get down to that here in a second. | ||
| But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, Rhea and Rowdy in Portland. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Next, Mike from Kansas. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And Evil Noah. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. | ||
| So thank you so much to Steve. | ||
| I suggest we use Dan and Jordan to help inform the selection of our 90s cover band's less popular underground songs from groups like Built to Spill and Failure. | ||
| If they mention a song, then we know there's a market for it. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a technocrat. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. | |
| Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. | ||
| Daddy Shark. | ||
| Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp. | ||
| Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. | ||
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He's a loser little titty baby. | |
| I don't want to hate black people. | ||
| I renounce Jesus Christ! | ||
| So, I don't know about any Built to Spill or Failure songs. | ||
| I've never, I will say this, I was just thinking about it, and I realized that I don't know any Built to Spill songs, and not because, like, they're in the genre that would be around the wheelhouse of somebody my age 20 years ago, 30 years ago or whatever, right? | ||
| But I just hate the name. | ||
| Built to Spill is a terrible name. | ||
| I've just always hated it, so I don't listen to it. | ||
| It's something that you wouldn't want. | ||
| Like, it's obviously a thing that is meant to hold something, but it is built to fail in its purpose. | ||
| I don't like the meaning of the words. | ||
| I don't like the sounds the words make. | ||
| They have a terrible mouthfeel. | ||
| I don't like the beginning and the ending of the consonants. | ||
| I don't like it. | ||
| I am not wholly unfamiliar with these bands. | ||
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Yes. | |
| But if I were to have a 90s cover band, and you were choosing songs... | ||
| I think that one of the things you need to do is you need to give people songs that they don't know they want to hear, but they do. | ||
| King of Wishful Thinking is one of them. | ||
| People never know they want to hear that song, but they do. | ||
| When it starts playing, oh, they're into it. | ||
| People do enjoy it. | ||
| So that's my tip. | ||
| King of Wishful Thinking. | ||
| King of Wishful Thinking. | ||
| So here's an out-of-context drop from today's show. | ||
| I mean, these are the times. | ||
| People say, you find out who you are in a crisis. | ||
| And holy shit, what the fuck's going on with Trump? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| I mean, I agree. | ||
| We're coming at it from different angles, but I agree with Alex. | ||
| That's a very relatable statement to make. | ||
| Yeah, I feel very seen. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, like I said, they did a show on the 29th, and it's in the evening. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| No reason to do this except that Roger is available and there's JFK talk in the air. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| So I wanted to get Roger Stone on because everybody's like, where's the JFK files? | ||
| Well, it takes 15 days under law and Trump signed it nine days ago. | ||
| The first day he was in office. | ||
| Part of those hundreds of executive orders. | ||
| So in the next five to six, seven days, they should start releasing it. | ||
| Roger's an expert. | ||
| He knows Trump well. | ||
| And he already has a really good idea of what's in there. | ||
| I'll leave it at that. | ||
| He's going to give us a first look on this coming up in about 30 minutes. | ||
| That's very exciting. | ||
| We're doing a JFK teaser report with the expert Roger Stone. | ||
| Now, we live in the future, so we know what files were released six days after this. | ||
| It takes 15 days. | ||
| I mean, what are we doing here? | ||
| The guy you elected, if it's not to get rid of all those times whenever you'd be like, we have to do this, ah, but it takes 15 days from the government. | ||
| That's the main thing you want him there to do, is to make it so things don't take 15 days. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And he already was in office and didn't do the thing that you want him to do. | ||
| But he also feels bad about not doing it last time. | ||
| How is it possible? | ||
| How is it possible that Americans do not learn? | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Well, ask. | ||
| Linda McMahon, nominee for the Department of Education. | ||
| It's about time we had a real leader in there. | ||
| So there's some other headlines to cover before Roger is on. | ||
| Just in, the USDA inspector general was physically removed from her office by federal security and refused to comply with Trump's firing per Reuters. | ||
| Trump's given his orders. | ||
| They're not negotiable. | ||
| You're fired, get out. | ||
| This is mutiny. | ||
| And she's bragging how she did it. | ||
| Saying his actions are illegal. | ||
| Obama, Reagan, the Clintons, they all fired these inspector generals that came around in the 70s. | ||
| It's Congress trying to take over another branch of government. | ||
| You don't see Congress with all its insider trading having an inspector general over them. | ||
| Oh no, and then they want inspector generals over the federal courts, the Supreme Court. | ||
| So that's the fox watching the hen house there. | ||
| So Alex is using his normal trick here, pretending that all presidents fire inspectors general, because he really needs to convince the audience that it's no big deal to replace all oversight bodies with loyalists, and that that isn't a huge red flag. | ||
| The IG of the USDA, Phyllis Fong, was fired by Trump's new administration and she refused to comply with the firing because she didn't believe that it had been done by proper legal channels. | ||
| According to the law, she is entirely correct. | ||
| You can't just fire IGs on a whim. | ||
| If you could, there's basically no reason for them to exist. | ||
| Fong wasn't arrested, but she was escorted out of her office. | ||
| Interestingly, Fong's office investigated Elon's company Neuralink in 2022 over allegations of animal welfare violations in their testing of brain implants. | ||
| The company had passed a series of inspections by the USDA, but there were definite concerns about their treatment of animals, so the IG, Ms. Fong, was opening a review of the USDA's review itself. | ||
| To be clear, it's very unlikely that Fong was fired in retribution for this. | ||
| The USDA has pretty weak enforcement records, and even if Musk was held responsible for mistreating animals in his brain chip research, it would just come down to him paying a fine. | ||
| I'm not bringing this up to you as a reason to explain the firing, but to flesh out how Musk is a person with a ton of conflicts of interest, and he shouldn't be anywhere near decisions relating to government oversight. | ||
| Also, Fong is one of the IGs who are suing the government over their termination and will likely succeed in that suit because the law is pretty clear and it was violated. | ||
| Yeah, that won't matter. | ||
| Maybe not. | ||
| No, it's like when I was fired by the coupon place, you know? | ||
| It was against the law for him to do that, but then the choice at the end of that was either you can take the job back with a giant red X on your back waiting to have the hammer nailed into you, or you can just be fired. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| There's no real recourse there. | ||
| But that is recourse. | ||
| I suppose. | ||
| In a fashion. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So, Alex, there's some news that is broken. | ||
| And that is that Trump wants to put deported persons in Guantanamo Bay. | ||
| Now, Alex has already celebrated El Salvador becoming a prison planet for immigrants. | ||
| And this really, he shouldn't have this tack. | ||
| Now, Trump has also signed an executive order to use Guantanamo Bay to hold over 30,000 illegal aliens that other third-world countries won't take. | ||
| That's a message to the Venezuelan gangs, the Colombian gangs. | ||
| Oh, you think you won't get deported because your country won't take you? | ||
| We'll put your ass in Guantanamo Bay. | ||
| And he's got Bukele in El Salvador about to make a deal to take him as well. | ||
| That'll stop this dead in its tracks. | ||
| That is real. | ||
| Dad taking his belt off. | ||
| Hardball. | ||
| So take everything else away from this story and just listen to this moment really closely. | ||
| Executive order to use Guantanamo Bay to hold. | ||
| Alex can't fully hold in a laugh while reporting that Trump is going to send people he's deporting to Guantanamo Bay. | ||
| Alex is laughing because his career grew out of exploiting one of the darkest pieces of modern U.S. history, the detaining and torture of people at these prisons like Guantanamo. | ||
| He's fighting back the laugh because he's come full circle, where now he's the guy justifying rendition and this prison planet that he wants to build in El Salvador. | ||
| He's the cheerleader for the very people that he made millions, warning his listeners were coming. | ||
| Trump claimed that he was going to send just the most hardened criminal immigrants to Guantanamo Bay, but unsurprisingly, that hasn't been the case. | ||
| The folks who have been sent there so far are not even people with criminal records like a lot of them, and many have alleged mistreatment by guards, including beatings, refusal to access to showers, and not letting detainees speak to lawyers. | ||
| NPR reported that some of them attempted a hunger strike, and it seems to me that this is a situation that can only get worse. | ||
| It's crystal clear, if you know anything about Alex and followed his career in any way, he knows better than to support this. | ||
| I mean, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This one's Obama's fault, though. | ||
| I'm gonna have to put this one on Obama. | ||
| He said he was gonna close it, and then he didn't close it. | ||
| That's on him. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I guess. | ||
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I mean, how is it not closed? | |
| So there's one thing that there's no question about in the world. | ||
| It's that Alex loves Elon. | ||
| Yes, he does. | ||
| Everyone does. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The world does, and he deserves prizes for how good he is. | ||
| We have Salman Rushdie getting a prize for free speech from the Nobel laureates. | ||
| We've had Alexander Shiltsin-Nitsen, Gulag Archipelago, decades in a gulag for being anti-communist. | ||
| And then he came over here for a while and found out the same thing that Joseph McCarthy found out. | ||
| That there were globalists in our country who actually created the communism over there. | ||
| Communism didn't come from Russia. | ||
| It came from the UK and the US. | ||
| It's not bashing our country. | ||
| It's just a fact. | ||
| And it's made a joke out of the Nobel Prizes now giving Henry Kissinger and Obama and all these scumbags peace prizes for starting wars. | ||
| It's like giving Hitler an ADL award or something. | ||
| They could, though, get their good name back at the Nobel Society of Philanthropy if they did do this. | ||
| Elon Musk nominated for Nobel Prize, Peace Prize for Free Speech Advocacy. | ||
| Elon Musk has been nominated for the 2025 Nobel Prize for his stance on free speech. | ||
| Slovenian member of the European Parliament, Branko Grooms, put the name forward. | ||
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Wait, wait, wait. | |
| Who was that who nominated Elon for the prize? | ||
| Was that a member of the European Parliament? | ||
| Ah, wasn't it? | ||
| Is it royalty? | ||
| Isn't that royalty? | ||
| Might be. | ||
| They're all royalty, right? | ||
| Unlected bureaucrats. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Weird. | ||
| That's strange, this guy. | ||
| Anyway, Salman Rushdie never won the Nobel Prize. | ||
| Alex thinks he did because there was a fatwa declared on him over the satanic verses, but this didn't result in a Nobel Prize. | ||
| Solzhenitsyn did win the Nobel Prize in 1970, but it was for literature. | ||
| There isn't a defensive free speech category in the Nobel Academy. | ||
| Alex's examples are two people who would be in the running for Nobel Prizes for Literature, which Elon definitely isn't going to get. | ||
| This one guy nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize, which is fine, but it's going nowhere. | ||
| Elon's literally a giant war profiteer, and Alex is a huge little worm. | ||
| A huge little worm! | ||
| Can't anybody nominate you for a peace prize? | ||
| Yeah, there's a bunch of people who are nominated. | ||
| You could just like... | ||
| Fucking right out the gate. | ||
| I don't know if you could. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I demand the power to nominate for peace prizes. | ||
| You know how it's like you have to be this tall to ride this ride? | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| The European Parliament. | ||
| I have to be royalty from Europe? | ||
| This is you. | ||
| This is you. | ||
| Nah, I see it. | ||
| You have to be that tall. | ||
| Ah, this is what Alex is saying. | ||
| You're all about the unelected bureaucrats. | ||
| I may be, but it's mostly out of not knowing who can nominate. | ||
| Somebody. | ||
| That's a fair point. | ||
| I think that you have to have made a movie to be nominated for an Oscar. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Right? | ||
| So you have to have made Peace to be nominated for an Oscar? | ||
| Hold on. | ||
| In order to be nominated for an Academy Award, someone in the Academy has to nominate you. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| That's how it goes. | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| So someone who's connected to the Nobel group somehow has to nominate you. | ||
| Gotcha. | ||
| It can't just be you. | ||
| That makes more sense. | ||
| You have to apply. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, I get... | ||
| You know, that's the problem with the Nobel Peace Prize, is that, you know, with literature, you gotta write a book. | ||
| Those are the rules. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You just gotta. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no, like, negotiation on, what if I just didn't write a book and I just really felt like a good book? | ||
| No negotiation. | ||
| Peace Prize. | ||
| Anybody could win that shit. | ||
| It's vague. | ||
| And I think that, you know, Alex's criticism of, you know, people who have supported wars getting peace prizes does kind of cheapen the value of it. | ||
| That doesn't help. | ||
| But... | ||
| That doesn't mean that all of them are bad. | ||
| Like, all Nobel Award winners are bad. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| So, Roger Stone comes around, and he's there to talk about the JFK stuff. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And he knows Trump very well that I tried to kill at least twice we know of. | ||
| He's got a very good idea on what's about to come out. | ||
| Also, Trump's view on it. | ||
| And people are saying, why has it been released yet? | ||
| It's in the executive order, 15 days, to develop the plan to release it, and then more on the... | ||
| RFK, MLK, and more. | ||
| But first off, Roger, you've got the floor wherever you want to go. | ||
| The dizzying successes, the enemy off balance. | ||
| How are they going to strike back? | ||
| Let's not get too confident. | ||
| Yeah, so this is a nice benefit to being in the future. | ||
| Alex is really trying his best to keep the audience strung along that Trump is about to blow the JFK thing wide open, but it takes 15 days. | ||
| Patience, everyone. | ||
| Well, we're more than 15 days in the future from this and these files have not been released. | ||
| I don't particularly care if these files are released because most folks who know a lot more about it than me are pretty clear that there's no bombshells waiting to be revealed. | ||
| If they release everything, fine. | ||
| If it stalls forever, that's not ideal, but fine. | ||
| The worst thing possible for Alex is if the files are released and it's a dud. | ||
| So that's the outcome he definitely doesn't want. | ||
| The good news is that all of this is a game, so when Trump says that he's going to release stuff then doesn't, it's because of the 15-day holding period. | ||
| When that time runs out, if nothing's released, then oh no, the globalists left behind in the government are meddling with the release. | ||
| If Trump does release everything and it's a disappointment, oh no, the globalists hid the real documents to make Trump look bad. | ||
| It doesn't matter what happens. | ||
| Reality is going to be bent to conform to the narrative that Alex is invested in pushing. | ||
| Great. | ||
| It would be better. | ||
| Here's my pitch, alright? | ||
| Don't actually release the real shit. | ||
| Nobody would ever believe that. | ||
| What you do, you release a JFK dick pic and say that's why you haven't released it. | ||
| Everybody would be like, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. | ||
| We'd all move on. | ||
| Especially if it's like... | ||
| Bigger than LBJ. | ||
| Yeah, well, nobody's dick is bigger than LBJ. | ||
| That's just a scientific fact. | ||
| But see, that's why it would have been never released. | ||
| And that's why LBJ killed him. | ||
| LBJ murdered him. | ||
| Yeah, murdered him for the dick. | ||
| It's a tale as old as time. | ||
| This would make sense. | ||
| It'd be unsatisfying for some conspiracy theorists, probably. | ||
| I think it would probably be the most satisfying answer for everybody. | ||
| So Roger is on. | ||
| I don't really care about the JFK stuff. | ||
| It's well-trod material between them. | ||
| He's written a book on it. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| Right. | ||
| What I'm more interested in is revealing some details about Roger and Alex's relationship. | ||
| And you're the expert of experts. | ||
| I mean, I'm not just saying that. | ||
| He's not just an expert on politics. | ||
| He's JFK. | ||
| That's how I first met him, like, 14 years ago, and then again, 12 years ago. | ||
| And he said, hey, Trump's getting ready to run, you know, 10 years ago, and that's how I got on board. | ||
| He said, oh, this is a real deal. | ||
| He's totally dialed in. | ||
| We had meetings, but I'll leave it at that. | ||
| Hey, Roger recruited me in. | ||
| And I was literally sitting there thinking about it. | ||
| My son, Rex says, no, Dad, you need to do it. | ||
| This is like before Trump was going. | ||
| But the point is, let's just stop here and finish up with all the news, what he's done, what's coming next. | ||
| We've always known this, but I'm not sure I've ever heard Alex say that so clearly. | ||
| Roger recruited Alex to the Trump campaign, essentially. | ||
| This makes the entire time that Alex was coming to Trump incredibly dishonest. | ||
| Behind the scenes, he and Roger were having what amounts to negotiations to get Alex to support Trump while Alex was pretending to cover the primary and the election. | ||
| The first time that Alex interviewed Roger is a complete, like, it's a suspicious event in this context. | ||
| And Roger getting Trump to come on Alex's show is clearly part of a deal that they struck. | ||
| There's a negotiation here. | ||
| That's really messed up. | ||
| Yeah, the only reason Roger showed up there was to sign the agreement, right? | ||
| It must have been. | ||
| Like, hey, okay, we pay you this exact amount. | ||
| Roger fucking rat fucking stone. | ||
| Or, like, let's take money slightly out of the equation, because maybe that's not the case. | ||
| Maybe it's access. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's going to win, and none of these other people are going to take you seriously, Alex. | ||
| You can cash in on this. | ||
| Not one. | ||
| You'll have the appearance of proximity to power. | ||
| Boy, at the end of this, Alex is going to realize that Roger Stone rat fucked him, too. | ||
| It's just a matter of time before you realize that Roger Stone rat fucked you. | ||
| But it's pretty crazy to imagine that Alex would have no qualms with saying this in front of the audience. | ||
| You know, like, Roger recruited me. | ||
| Maybe there's just nobody listening. | ||
| Maybe it is all robots. | ||
| Talking to each other. | ||
| I don't think anybody could have been listening during that 2015 section and hear Alex say this now and not think, oh wow, that's shady shit that was going on back then. | ||
| You're talking about how you know about Trump's history and he's a mob boss and he's a front man for consortiums on the East Coast and then mysteriously all of your tune changes and all the stories are different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's probably one of those things where you can just believe, ah, now see, what you gotta do is you gotta learn how to read. | ||
| Even he teaches you that you have to learn how to read between the lines. | ||
| Make stuff up? | ||
| Whenever reality doesn't conform to what you believe. | ||
| So even for them, they're like, oh, well, yeah, Alex has to say that because this conspiracy. | ||
| So it all just gets wrapped up in another conspiracy. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But God told him the future. | ||
| Like, that didn't start in 2016. | ||
| He didn't get magical psychic powers when he decided to join up with Trump. | ||
| Like, he's had that since he was a kid. | ||
| Yeah, there is that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| It's tough. | ||
| Harry Potter can't be wrong if he's, like, doing the weather. | ||
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| Right? | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| He's magic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You gotta get it right if it's magic. | ||
| He should. | ||
| He should. | ||
| So they talk a bit about Trump, and they say something I think is dumb. | ||
| And I can just tell you... | ||
| That something dramatically changed about him right after the events at Butler, Pennsylvania. | ||
| A serenity came over him, a sureness, a strength, a total recognition that his life had been spared by God for a greater purpose. | ||
| You know, Nixon was deeply religious, but he would never talk about his religion because, as a Quaker, he'd been taught by his mother that this was a private matter. | ||
| And Trump was always a believer, but he was never comfortable talking about the Almighty because he didn't think it was a political matter. | ||
| But that all changed in Butler, Pennsylvania. | ||
| This is a cute story, but that's a load of shit. | ||
| Trump was fully exploiting religion for political purposes through his entire run back to 2015. | ||
| He knew that the evangelical base was one of his best hopes, so you saw him do all those staged photos with the prosperity gospel preachers like Paula White Kane praying over him. | ||
| You saw him do that photo op at the church near the Capitol where he held the Bible upside down. | ||
| All that shit was before Butler, and Roger knows that. | ||
| He also knows that that road to Damascus moment is a really powerful trope in evangelical So he's writing that legend for the followers. | ||
| To apply on to Trump. | ||
| Like, oh, he had the brush with death and... | ||
| Yeah, there's really no evangelical movement that doesn't require a constant updating of the time that you really came to Jesus. | ||
| Mean it this time. | ||
| Yeah, the last few times you came to Jesus, those were pretty important, but this one, this was a revelation. | ||
| And that explains why he was holding the Bible upside down before. | ||
| That does make sense. | ||
| He was a baby in Christ. | ||
| He was putting his fingers crossed behind his back. | ||
| Right, but then he got shot. | ||
| Well, because that's real religion. | ||
| And then he means it. | ||
| You don't even know if you mean it until you mean it. | ||
| And that's when you know you mean it. | ||
| So even if you did mean it before, you didn't mean it because you didn't know you mean it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And when people say they mean it, you've got to take a good word for it. | ||
| And when Roger Stone says that you mean it. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| That means something. | ||
| Scientific fact. | ||
| So we jump to the next day because, I don't care, LBJ did it. | ||
| He did it. | ||
| Because of the dicks. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And so on the 30th. | ||
| There's some news that's broken, and that is that a plane crashed into a helicopter over the D.C. airport. | ||
| And so Alex knows he needs to address this. | ||
| Again, it is Thursday, January 30th, 2025. | ||
| The first major challenge to the new Trump administration took place last night over Washington, D.C. at... | ||
| Ronald Reagan International Airport. | ||
| When a U.S. military Blackhawk flew into the flight path of the airport in a landing aircraft that had authorization to land and had control of the airspace, | ||
| and we have the flight logs, we have the FAA tower reports, we have it all here, and they were telling the helicopter, That they were in danger and to stop the path they were on. | ||
| And right now, it looks like something went on on the helicopter. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| But instantly last night, after the Black Hawk collided into the American Airlines flight, 63 people on board, three soldiers on helicopter, no survivors. | ||
| Reagan Airport closed. | ||
| Airline CEO blames Army. | ||
| Trump blames Biden. | ||
| Well, here's the facts. | ||
| This stuff happens in a complex, crazy world. | ||
| That's amazing. | ||
| Those are the facts. | ||
| Are those all the facts? | ||
| This response should be all anyone needs to understand, that Alex is a piece of shit and a liar. | ||
| He's the king of suspicion. | ||
| Everything is a conspiracy until proven not to be, or at least that's how things go when there's an advantage in it for him to position himself against the power structure. | ||
| Take, for example, all the things that happened when Biden was in office, like the Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore, or the hurricanes Helen and Milton. | ||
| Those were immediately suspicious and likely false flags. | ||
| Maybe even weather weapons were being used here. | ||
| An accident at a bridge and two natural disasters were reported on in such a way that you could create blame that could be assigned to the Biden administration and the globalists in the government as a whole. | ||
| But now Trump is in charge. | ||
| They've all made a big deal out of ending DEI practices and one of the main areas that the right-wing media has agitated about this in terms of pilots and air traffic controllers. | ||
| They've gotten their way, and we see a big airline crash in basically the first week of Trump being in office. | ||
| In this situation, Alex has two choices. | ||
| One option is to say that the deep state did this attack in order to make Trump look bad or something. | ||
| The globalists knew that Trump was trying to clean up the FAA, so they did this false flag in order to derail that. | ||
| This option helps deflect from Trump having to take any responsibility, but it also introduces some liabilities. | ||
| For one, a bunch of people died in the crash, so Alex needs to decide if they were real people or not. | ||
| If not, he's in danger of getting into the crisis actor storylines and risking more lawsuits. | ||
| But if he does say that they're real, then he needs to accept that Trump is so out of control with his own administration that the remaining deep state folks are murdering civilians in plane crashes and he can't do anything about it. | ||
| There aren't a lot of good outcomes for him down this path, which is why he seems to be taking this second path. | ||
| This is the path where he just accepts that the world is complicated and sometimes bad things happen and no one planned them to be that way. | ||
| It's an explanation that would suffice for the majority of the news that Alex ever covers but then pretends are false flags, which is why it's strange to hear him use this approach here. | ||
| Alex does not want Trump and Musk's power to be questioned. | ||
| So his instinct towards suspicion just kind of disappears here. | ||
| It would be an overdrive if Biden was still in office. | ||
| There would be an elaborate story to be told about this. | ||
| Hey, what you gonna do? | ||
| You know, sometimes planes just crash into Black Hawk military choppers. | ||
| That happens. | ||
| This happens in a complex society. | ||
| It happens all the time. | ||
| Why are you complaining about it, you idiot? | ||
| What is it? | ||
| This is like a regular occurrence. | ||
| You can't even shit on a military base without an exploding Black Hawk helicopter. | ||
| Look, there are bad things that happen, and I accept that. | ||
| Life's bad? | ||
| I accept that. | ||
| As an explanation and something that I could hear from another human being who I would interact with socially. | ||
| The penguins and the climate. | ||
| It's terrible what happens to the penguins. | ||
| And that's just like this. | ||
| You know, life is just crazy and unpredictable. | ||
| You'll never know. | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| I think, like, you know, sometimes a train goes off the tracks. | ||
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| And it's an accident. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Sometimes a train goes off the tracks and it's because no one has kept up the infrastructure. | ||
| Could be. | ||
| I think that those are two different things. | ||
| But at the same time, neither is like, hey, someone planned to derail this train. | ||
| Sure, but you don't know if maybe a giant grabbed it with its big hands and then put it off the train and then created a fake, like, little crash scene to hide up their giant's tracks. | ||
| See, you can never trust anything. | ||
| The world's crazy. | ||
| There's just no way to know what makes anything happen. | ||
| I don't accept... | ||
| I don't accept... | ||
| Alex's, like, his worldview is like... | ||
| Oh, you call me a conspiracy theorist? | ||
| I call you a coincidence theorist. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| So you don't get to play this card now. | ||
| No. | ||
| The complex world shit. | ||
| It's a little late. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he has to be pretty defensive about this. | ||
| And I was just very surprised with the angle he decided to take. | ||
| Air travel is, depending on the country, on average about 20 times safer than automobiles. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| But it's not as glamorous when people are chewed up and wounded and dead on the highway. | ||
| And by glamorous, I mean it's so commonplace that it doesn't get people's attention. | ||
| And of course, when you do have an air disaster, it has a much higher rate of fatality because you're moving faster and you're high up in the air generally. | ||
| So our hearts go out to all those that died. | ||
| But before we knew anything last night, I have the timestamps right here. | ||
| The entire corporate media came out and blamed Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Doge for simply stating the fact that the majority of federal employees rarely ever go to work and do almost nothing. | ||
| Unless they're like the Border Patrol who busts their ass. | ||
| I've seen it. | ||
| That's a hard job. | ||
| Customs people, that's a hard job. | ||
| So the law enforcement angle works their butt off. | ||
| But the bureaucrats, the bureaucracy, I mean, across the board, there's whole studies and governmental and corporate grading of it. | ||
| But it's a joke, and we all know that. | ||
| And Trump is demanding they come back to work. | ||
| And if they won't work or secretly had another job, they're going to be fired, obviously, and probably criminally charged. | ||
| He said that last night, and that's true. | ||
| So cutting the waste and fraud and abuse out, Did not cause this. | ||
| They haven't even gotten to it yet. | ||
| So I think it's very striking how defensive Alex is about this story, and I think I understand why. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that Alex understands a real serious problem. | ||
| There's a bunch of them that Trump and Musk's plans are going to cause. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Things like greater incidents of plane crashes, foodborne illness outbreaks, predatory scams being carried out on consumers. | ||
| These are some of the fruit of what the government is doing right now. | ||
| It's going to end up happening. | ||
| Alex believes the ends justify the means here, but he also knows that the means involve common people getting hurt in really bad ways that he can't defend. | ||
| He wants what's on the other side of this, but he does not want to take responsibility for the path that leads there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I mean, just because when they put seatbelts in, people stopped flying through their windshields so much doesn't mean that seatbelts led to people not flying through their windshields. | ||
| You can't prove that. | ||
| It's a complex and mysterious world. | ||
| Never understand it. | ||
| Never understand it. | ||
| So as these consequences start happening, he's going to be in a position of minimizing these things, carrying water for and justifying the powers that be, because he believes that doing so furthers the larger good goal, which I guess is colonizing space with white people. | ||
| The Associated Press reported that the staffing at the airport on the day of the crash was, quote, He did so, but there's no clear replacement. | ||
| It might be Chris Ruschlow, who's an interim administrator, but Reuters reported on January 30th, the day of this episode of Alex's show, quote, the FAA for 10 days has declined to say who is running the agency on an acting basis. | ||
| Michael Whitaker was the previous FAA head who quit when Trump came into office. | ||
| That's not that crazy of a thing to happen, and replacing him would have been fine in the changing from one administration to another. | ||
| One of the reasons this is messy, though, is because in 2022, the FAA imposed fines on Elon's company Starlink for, quote, violations of safety protocol. | ||
| Musk claimed that the FAA was harassing him, and then he was fined again in 2024 directly by Whitaker for, quote, alleged violations of its government license in two rocket launches, according to The Guardian. | ||
| There's no way to know exactly what's going on in people's heads but these circumstances represent another massive conflict of interest for Musk being anywhere near the levers of power for the government. | ||
| He has immense personal interest in making these bodies unable to operate because when they work correctly and in the public interest, he gets fined a ton of money. | ||
| Alex understands all this, and his career is supposed to be based on fighting against the unelected bureaucrats who had outsized power in our government. | ||
| He spent his whole life yelling about George Soros, Soros, and yet here he stands making his career entirely about defending Elon Musk. | ||
| And Alex knows how bad this looks to the point where he's willing to call something a coincidence. | ||
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| It's crazy. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it is one of those things where it's like... | ||
| They're going after that shit and the regulations weren't even that tight. | ||
| It's just one of those pieces of evidence of like... | ||
| Either go hard against them or you might as well not even have it because they're going to try and... | ||
| The SEC hasn't really affected the stock market in a million years and yet they're still going to try and destroy you. | ||
| It doesn't matter if it's weak capture or strong capture. | ||
| Just that you exist at all is a check on their power is what makes them hate you. | ||
| It has nothing to do with how much you do against them or not. | ||
| Right. | ||
| You know what it just dawned on me? | ||
| It's like, Alex is calling this a coincidence. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| It's a coincidence. | ||
| You know what I... | ||
| I just realized that Elon has Alex's Twitter DMs. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Very weird. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Coincidence. | ||
| I think that there's some bad stuff in there. | ||
| Oh, I bet. | ||
| There's reasons to kill JFK in there. | ||
| That's all I'm saying. | ||
| I bet that might be a simple, simple explanation for Alex's throwing his entire career away in order to defend Elon Musk. | ||
| Anyway, Trump has a belief that DEI caused the crash. | ||
| But Trump just came out a few minutes ago, and a press conference is still ongoing, and blames DEI for weakening FAA in aftermath of Reagan national plane crash. | ||
| And there's no doubt that's true. | ||
| That DEI and corporate corruption at Boeing and other areas in the studies has really caused the massive increase of problems and bad service and breakdowns and disasters and near collisions, mid-air collisions going way up. | ||
| And this idiot FAA official that said we're going to hire schizophrenics. | ||
| I mean, seriously. | ||
| And people that see pink elephants. | ||
| And I remember that broke a few years ago, and I said, is that even real? | ||
| And sure as hell, it was him and hearing. | ||
| He's like, yep, we're hiring mentally ill people. | ||
| They deserve to fly planes, too. | ||
| I have no idea why Alex would be worried about people who see pink elephants flying planes. | ||
| He sees demons, and he's allowed to do a radio show, which I think is probably infinitely more dangerous to the general population. | ||
| Maybe the pink elephants are interdimensional flying assistants that only the really good pilots can see. | ||
| Like, who's Alex to judge another person's hallucinations? | ||
| That's not cool. | ||
| So in the real world, the FAA did not say, like, they want people with active hallucinations to be able to fly planes. | ||
| There's a long-standing problem with That created an atmosphere where people were suffering but were afraid to get help. | ||
| In 2023, the National Transportation Safety Board held a summit called Navigating Mental Health and Aviation that was meant to explore this dynamic and see what could be done to better serve people's needs. | ||
| In response to this conversation, the FAA began to make moves to broaden their rules about mental health treatment. | ||
| By making guidelines that better address the actual situation pilots are in, the hope is to destigmatize manageable mental health conditions and get appropriate help for people who are experiencing conditions that would make it actually unsafe for them to fly. | ||
| Previously, the system relied on self-reporting by pilots and by reports filed by the aviation medical examiners. | ||
| The AME had a list of conditions that they were required to report, which put a person at risk of being grounded. | ||
| In 2024, the AME empowered their doctors to rely on their own judgment when it came to a list of conditions, including generalized anxiety disorder, situational anxiety, social anxiety disorder, postpartum depression, situational depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, PTSD, and some general categories for unspecific anxiety and depression. | ||
| This is the real-world version of what Alex wants to attack. | ||
| The other end of it is that the FAA doesn't discriminate in hiring based on disability status, and that was clear in their posted materials in sections around DEI. | ||
| This is about the Aviation Development Program, which requires that, quote, participants meet the same qualifications as any other applicant. | ||
| People with disabilities can receive a Schedule 1 application, but this isn't just like a shortcut to any job. | ||
| You still need to be qualified for the job you apply for and able to do what the job entails. | ||
| The issue here is that Alex just strongly supports discrimination, and that's what's at the core of all of his messaging. | ||
| Yeah, that's such like that brutalist 50s. | ||
| Logic that sticks with us to this day. | ||
| Oh, you're depressed? | ||
| You can't fly? | ||
| You'll try and fly the plane into a building! | ||
| Just, nope, done. | ||
| So everybody has to be quiet about it forever and lock it up inside until they want to fly a plane into a building! | ||
| I feel like... | ||
| There's some sort of catch that this is similar to. | ||
| But I don't remember which one. | ||
| I haven't read books before. | ||
| No, books are evil. | ||
| You know, it's just a coincidence that books have words in them. | ||
| That's what I've heard. | ||
| So, you know, Alex had Roger on yesterday. | ||
| And what do you know? | ||
| Trump listened. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And he loved it. | ||
| Loved it. | ||
| He loved it! | ||
| He's doing those gaggles where he stops with reporters. | ||
| I mean, I can't even keep track of it. | ||
| And it is exhilarating but also exhausting. | ||
| And then he's got time to watch me and Roger last night and call us up and tell us how much he likes the show and invite us to the White House for dinner soon. | ||
| It was already big news when other people called today, come to Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| When do you want to come to the White House? | ||
| That was just people in his operation. | ||
| I just mentioned there came a big top news story yesterday. | ||
| Oh my God, the evil Alex Jones. | ||
| And again, I haven't really pushed that or even asked for that stuff because... | ||
| I don't want Alex Jones, you know, to be a diversion. | ||
| But at the end of the day, from the overall agenda, it's also a litmus test to say, screw you guys, we're pardoning all the J6ers. | ||
| Screw you guys. | ||
| What you did to Alex Jones was made up, exaggerated. | ||
| He didn't do anything. | ||
| We're not buying into your crap anymore. | ||
| Yeah, Adan wrote about it and Drudge took it as the top story. | ||
| My phone was ringing off the hook. | ||
| And I was just like, I guess that elicited Trump to come watch the show and then say he liked it. | ||
| And Roger's saying, yeah, I just talked to Trump. | ||
| He says the stuff they're declassifying proves the CIA, you know, was involved killing Kennedy. | ||
| And then I got millions and millions of views, like 10 million views on the clip from the show. | ||
| And I saw people commenting, where's the proof? | ||
| What's your source? | ||
| And I've got Bloomberg going, what's your source you've been invited to the White House? | ||
| It's like, come on, people. | ||
| Come on, people. | ||
| So the only thing that I think is really actually important about that clip is that Alex said that the night before, Roger was doing this episode with him, and then Adon Salazar wrote about it, and it went on drudge. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Now, that reveals one thing to me, and that is that Adon Salazar is still working at InfoWars. | ||
| That is crazy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Who is paying him? | ||
| Because, I mean, like, if you know anything about the path through the Sandy Hook stuff, you could easily scapegoat him. | ||
| I mean, he has just slid under the radar somehow. | ||
| He is probably... | ||
| Him and Rob Du could have a competition for who was the most energetically pursuing the Crisis Actorship, but Adan Salazar was a huge part of the problem, and him trying to get... | ||
| Drudge to cover their stories is even another part of what the big problem was. | ||
| Yeah, that's no good. | ||
| So the fact that we're here in 2025 and Adan Salazar is still working at InfoWars is nuts. | ||
| Yeah, it kind of tells you how devalued the written word is, you know? | ||
| People don't even care enough that it's your fault that the whole thing started. | ||
| Or at very least, it's like, hey, you suck at this. | ||
| You're bad. | ||
| You get me in trouble. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I can throw you overboard. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Come on back to work. | ||
| What does it take to get fired in terms of, like, failure? | ||
| Like, there's no job performance issues. | ||
| There's only just, like, oh, well, he said I'm a prick. | ||
| Got to get rid of him. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean... | ||
| I think probably not liking Alex might get you fired. | ||
| I mean, in all honesty, you could probably argue that Adon Salazar and company failed so hard the entire business is gone. | ||
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| Probably working for Chase now over at Alex Jones Live. | ||
| Yeah, that's job security. | ||
| Yeah, so Alex realizes that maybe he was talking a lot out of school about getting invited to the White House and stuff. | ||
| So he realizes he's got to... | ||
| Maybe he should walk that back. | ||
| No, but he's got to bring it back to the center. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I mean, I don't even have time to barely eat dinner with my seven-year-old daughter or wife. | ||
| I'm eating dinner like once a week with them now. | ||
| And they understand. | ||
| I barely have time to see my parents. | ||
| My dad's been sick. | ||
| I still get over there once or twice a week. | ||
| Because history's happening now, I have to do this. | ||
| So the left all thinks I'm like somebody that wants to be in the cool club and ooh, let's all make a big story and put pressure on Trump to stop him from having Alex Jones around. | ||
| That'll just make Trump send a jet to get me. | ||
| Just in case you don't know. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So, so... | ||
| And I don't even want to make myself the big story. | ||
| I could definitely make myself the big story. | ||
| I could be hanging out at the White House all day. | ||
| But that gets in the way of Elon that has moved into the White House, into the Lincoln bedroom, and is running doge out of it, working 20 hours a day at least. | ||
| The guy sleeps like two hours a day. | ||
| He's not there so he can act powerful. | ||
| He already is. | ||
| He's there to make sure the mission gets done. | ||
| So, no, I don't need to be hanging around the White House. | ||
| Distracting people. | ||
| I'll continue it. | ||
| My post's attacking. | ||
| Now, I'll go up if he really keeps pushing it and have dinner with him. | ||
| He and I and Roger have a private dinner. | ||
| That's what he wants to do. | ||
| Great. | ||
| I'll do that. | ||
| But the left doesn't understand. | ||
| I want to dominate you and stop you and crush you. | ||
| You lying scum that have tried to destroy my country and my family. | ||
| That's my mission. | ||
| That's the brass ring. | ||
| That's the focus. | ||
| Nothing else even compares. | ||
| And I like eating dinner with my wife and daughter and playing board games. | ||
| I like going on hikes with my adult children. | ||
| I like going to see movies and comedy clubs and eating fine steak dinners. | ||
| It's all been put on the side. | ||
| Because the war for the future, destiny of humanity is now and we're winning and I'm not about to sit on the sidelines and rest on my laurels and think we got this in the bag. | ||
| Not until their entire globalist, transhumanist death cult's been dismantled. | ||
| Not until the New World Order is in chains. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And then... | ||
| I'll take some time off. | ||
| Alex has taken multiple vacations in the last few months. | ||
| His show is basically just him taking time off because he doesn't prepare at all and he just rants about dumb shit he saw on Twitter for a job. | ||
| I'm conflicted about this Trump dinner thing because... | ||
| I don't know why Trump wouldn't associate with Alex at this point Alex is super embarrassing, but Trump's hanging out with Musk, he made RFK the head of HHS, and he recently made dipshit radio host Dan Bongino the deputy director of the FBI. | ||
| There's no reason that Trump should think that it would be a negative for him to hang out with Alex. | ||
| At the same time, Alex's whole thing about not wanting to be the cool guy hanging out with Trump is complete bullshit. | ||
| He would trip over his feet if Trump or Musk offered him an audience with them at any time, because the association with power is basically all Alex has left other than a social media account at this point. | ||
| Consider the fact that the only reason this conversation is even happening on a public radio show is that Alex needed to brag about how Trump allegedly called him after the show with Roger the night before. | ||
| Alex didn't need to reveal that information, but he did it because it made him look like a big boy. | ||
| You think Adrian Dittman could be deputy treasurer? | ||
| I think we've got that. | ||
| I think that's available. | ||
| I think Musk would call him, like, the master of claims. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| Yeah, I think that's the way you go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You give him a dork-ass title. | ||
| Especially if he's not real. | ||
| That's the best way to do it. | ||
| You hire somebody, call him Adrian Dittman, move on with our lives. | ||
| He doesn't even have a South African accent. | ||
| That would make it perfect. | ||
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| You hear him talking and he's like, ah! | ||
| I've been deputy treasurer before! | ||
| You know, you'd be like, ah, I think he's Elon. | ||
| What we did is we plugged in all of the intelligence of past treasury department folks. | ||
| That's the trick. | ||
| And we have created a super treasurer. | ||
| Jet GP treasurer. | ||
| There we go. | ||
| Did it. | ||
| Did minute. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| So, Alex, he's gone with a conspiracy coincidence. | ||
| Angle on the plane crash. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But maybe there's something suspicious. | ||
| Come on, there's something suspicious there. | ||
| Come on! | ||
| Everybody understands this. | ||
| We have new listeners all the time. | ||
| I want to be very clear. | ||
| Within 30 minutes, the corporate media was blaming Trump and Elon Musk, and then Hexeth. | ||
| Saying they made cuts, Trump made cuts, that haven't been implemented yet. | ||
| Judges are trying to block it, as you know. | ||
| It'll get overturned. | ||
| Blaming them for this when they didn't even know what had happened. | ||
| And now we know. | ||
| They had fully staffed air traffic controllers. | ||
| The passenger plane, American Airlines, with all the figure skaters, Russian and American, coming in, was authorized, doing its job, had control of the airspace. | ||
| It was their airspace. | ||
| And the tower was saying to the helicopter, you're going to crash. | ||
| You're coming into a collision. | ||
| And we have the video of their telemetry screens, because they record all that, released within hours. | ||
| So, it was the helicopter. | ||
| We don't know what happened yet. | ||
| But it had nothing to do with problems at the FAA. | ||
| It was a malfunction. | ||
| Wait. | ||
| Somebody hacked the helicopter. | ||
| That can happen? | ||
| I'm speculating. | ||
| But it was the helicopter. | ||
| So within 30 minutes of the Sandy Hook shooting, Alex blamed Obama and the gun grabbers. | ||
| Within 30 minutes of Hurricane Helene, Alex blamed Biden. | ||
| His claim that the media blaming Musk and Trump isn't even true, but if we pretend that it is, he has no leg to stand on. | ||
| He's just doing defensive spin instead of what he usually does, which is attacking spin, smearing his imaginary enemies by exploiting tragedies. | ||
| As far as what Trump did or didn't do... | ||
| Part of the problem is that the chaos he's causing makes it very difficult to tell exactly what effects are due to what. | ||
| For instance, a few days after getting into office, Trump offered all federal workers the option of a deferred resignation where they could quit and then continue to get paid for about the next nine months. | ||
| It's unclear what level of staffing changes that could have caused. | ||
| Also, Trump put in place a hiring freeze which has been challenged by the courts but it also obviously had some effect. | ||
| Reporters who have looked into it aren't sure if the freeze itself applied to air traffic controllers because that's not spelled out. | ||
| Add to that the absence of an acknowledged head of the FAA, and you kind of see how you're unable to solve any problems that might come up. | ||
| The media wasn't saying that Trump's actions caused the crash. | ||
| In fact, here's what PBS said. | ||
| Quote, Trump in his first week in office did announce sweeping personnel changes, including a hiring freeze. | ||
| But aviation experts said there was little that Trump did that could have precipitated the crash between a commercial jet from Wichita, Kansas, and a military Blackhawk helicopter. | ||
| There simply was too little time, less than 10 days after Trump was sworn in, for any of his broadly worded executive orders to have an effect, experts said. | ||
| Alex is seeing people on social media blaming Trump for the crash and then just Pretending that's what the media is saying. | ||
| And that makes a lot of sense. | ||
| Alex considers himself to be the media, and all he does is scroll through Twitter. | ||
| So every other idiot on Twitter is the media to him. | ||
| Like, journalism doesn't exist as a concept. | ||
| He's just getting mad at Twitter and other dipshits on social media. | ||
| Like, who knows who any of these people are that he's mad about what they posted? | ||
| You know, okay, so here's the problem. | ||
| With this, right, you can't prove it yourself that it's not the FAA's fault. | ||
| Because you already said it's black people at the FAA who aren't good at their jobs, right? | ||
| So you can't be like, oh, it turns out it's not the FAA's fault. | ||
| Because then you're just, you're obviously a racist. | ||
| You immediately went, ah, it's black people. | ||
| And then you're like, hey guys, it's not our fault. | ||
| Like, so it's, if it is your fault, it's black people. | ||
| Since it's not your fault, it's not our fault. | ||
| Well, it's a complicated place for Alex to find his racist mind. | ||
| It's coincidence. | ||
| And, you know, that's why you start off this path with, like, maybe the world is complicated and things happen. | ||
| And, you know, accidents happen. | ||
| And you dig around a little more and you're like, you know what? | ||
| Maybe I can swing at this ball after all. | ||
| Maybe I can make something out of this. | ||
| Not even your racism is genuine, man. | ||
| Dark. | ||
| Dark days. | ||
| So we end up with maybe someone hacked the helicopter. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| That's probably what happened. | ||
| Sounds true. | ||
| And for decades, all the Blackhawks, all the commercial aircraft have systems that aren't just autopilot but can be remotely accessed by the airlines. | ||
| And that's in the documents. | ||
| Bush talked about it right after 9-11. | ||
| He shot up about it real quick. | ||
| Well, if you have those systems... | ||
| Somebody can hack into them or they can malfunction. | ||
| And a lot of experts, and I've got the articles and reports here, are saying let's investigate that. | ||
| We're not saying that's it. | ||
| I'm saying it should be looked at because it makes no sense that just here comes this helicopter. | ||
| Let me just fly over one of the most busy airports in the world with a bunch of runways with two different large aircraft coming in with their landing lights on. | ||
| Let me just fly right in front of that big giant aircraft with huge lights all over. | ||
| That's when you're in a helicopter. | ||
| You ever been in a helicopter, folks? | ||
| I mean, you see everything. | ||
| So here, let's just go. | ||
| I mean, you don't get near an airport like that without telling them way out where you're coming from. | ||
| And I'm telling you, helicopters don't get priority over big airliners. | ||
| None of this makes sense. | ||
| But what does it have to do with Trump? | ||
| So Alex just can't resist conspiracy thinking. | ||
| His angle's supposed to be that accidents happen because that's the correct defensive position for Trump and Musk, but he knows that's boring. | ||
| He yearns for the elaborate plot and the boogeyman he needs to be pretending to fight. | ||
| Like, he can't get out of his own way. | ||
| And that's something I think is really interesting about this episode as just sort of a snapshot, is, like, you can almost feel him talking himself into, like... | ||
| Can we put some garlic in this? | ||
| It's gotta be. | ||
| It's not a coincidence. | ||
| We gotta season this. | ||
| I know it's my job to say it's a coincidence, but I just can't. | ||
| It's the most expedient route to get Trump and Musk off the hook, and that's why my instinct is to go this direction, but my muscles won't allow it. | ||
| You know what's crazy is that if you're asking Alex to do that, you're wrong. | ||
| Of course he's gonna turn a conspiracy into it, right? | ||
| It's just that Alex himself is forcing himself to try the beginning part where he's like, nah, it was just a coincidence. | ||
| And then just can't do it. | ||
| Like if he had a boss who said, don't do the coincidence or do the coincidence thing. | ||
| He wouldn't be able to do it. | ||
| You would be a bad boss for even asking him to. | ||
| He's a bad boss to himself. | ||
| Well, I think it's a cycle of oppositional defiance. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Because he gets on Twitter and he sees people saying like, oh, Trump caused this plane crash or whatever. | ||
| And then he's like, ah, that's what the media is saying. | ||
| And so then he needs to have a knee-jerk reaction to that. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| If it were Biden in office, it would be, no, Biden did this on purpose. | ||
| It's a false flag or whatever. | ||
| Totally. | ||
| It's very simple. | ||
| But he's like, ah, shit. | ||
| That path on the tree, the logic tree, doesn't work because Trump is in office and he's already taken over all of the globalist infrastructure and all this. | ||
| So what do I do? | ||
| The accidents happen, man. | ||
| If it's not black people, I don't know what caused it. | ||
| Accidents happen. | ||
| But then, as he starts talking down that route, his oppositional defiance to himself kicks in. | ||
| Gotta do it. | ||
| And he has to talk himself into a conspiracy. | ||
| Gotta be a conspiracy. | ||
| Interesting how the media was ready to really jump on this within 30 minutes. | ||
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| You know, I've said the globalists could hack and take out the power grid, turn off the energy grid, blame it on Trump once he got in. | ||
| I said cyber attacks. | ||
| I mean, I've been predicting that. | ||
| I'm not saying that's what this is, but you don't normally see Black Hawk crews just decide to go on an unscheduled flight through some of the most busy airspace in the world right over. | ||
| One of the most busy airports in the world with a whole bunch of airplanes coming in for landings. | ||
| And you don't get anywhere around those unless you're authorized and already have a plan to be landing there. | ||
| You usually file it long before. | ||
| So all of this is like building a case. | ||
| He's talking himself into it's not a coincidence. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Accidents don't happen. | ||
| No. | ||
| This is him trying to be like, no, I never said anything about Sandy Hook. | ||
| I never said that there were questions. | ||
| I mean, I have questions. | ||
| There are tons of questions. | ||
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There's anomalies. | |
| Have you seen anything? | ||
| That shit didn't happen at all. | ||
| There's so many anomalies. | ||
| It takes 10 seconds. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's just he can't not. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| And so he tries to defend this a little bit. | ||
| And some of the cornerstone is this idea that the media all said Trump did it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But he fails. | ||
| He just falls right on his face. | ||
| And here's some articles and videos from Sikorsky or Lockheed Martin demonstration of their autonomous Blackhawk helicopters in Washington just before. | ||
| The U.S. election. | ||
| And then you've got the community notes on there on X. People are attacking Musk and Trump. | ||
| They explain the Aviation Safety Committee was disbanded, but the committee members working for federal government were not fired from their primary jobs. | ||
| They advised the TSA, not FAA, on their security functions, which isn't typically relevant to mid-air collisions. | ||
| L.A. Times source. | ||
| But still, the corporate media in most places He's trying to say that it's all Trump, Elon, Doge, Hegseth's fault. | ||
| Headline, the first big challenge to Hegseth, why did this happen? | ||
| Well, he better put out why it happened. | ||
| They better find out. | ||
| But how do you find out when the helicopter's a pile of ashes and the people are dead? | ||
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| Why'd this helicopter just take off when Trump's dominating the globalists, dismantling them, and just magically flying the most busy airport ever right into a passenger plane? | ||
| And the corporate media is all ready to blame Trump. | ||
| So Alex has just presented some tweets as his primary evidence for things. | ||
| One claim was that Trump's firings leading to these safety advisory positions being vacant, right? | ||
| That was something that had a community note on it. | ||
| Yeah, that was supposed to be the important thing. | ||
| And the community note that Alex Reid's refuting it is sourced to the LA Times, which is part of the corporate media. | ||
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Bummer. | |
| All of the examples he's providing of real media sources seem to be people clarifying that it might not be good to just blame Trump. | ||
| That seems counter to the entire premise that Alex is running with, and that's because his premise is a lie. | ||
| It's a lie that he needs in order to create fascination and intrigue around this story, if he plans on reporting it as a conspiracy. | ||
| He's dipped his toe into that water, and you can see the old tricks he pulls coming out. | ||
| If this is just a situation where accidents happen, and it's wrong to blame Trump for it, you can just move on and say that it's not his fault. | ||
| But Alex is addicted to the game, so he starts talking about the story, and it's not satisfying to just move along. | ||
| There's too many vague points that won't be understood for months until there's a full investigation of this incident. | ||
| All of those vague points, those anomalies, for Alex, those represent profit. | ||
| That's money that's being left on the table. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He's introduced too many conspiracy elements to this story and started to incorporate his past predictions, like attacks on the power grid, into the narrative as a whole. | ||
| It's gaining momentum, so now it's important to dress things up with the normal suspicious patterns. | ||
| Isn't it weird the media all had their script so fast? | ||
| It's almost like they knew what was going to happen in advance. | ||
| This is a type of reporting Alex does that's based on feelings. | ||
| He's creating the feeling that the media all had their story straight in half an hour, and that's suspicious. | ||
| The goal of creating that feeling is to give the listener a reason to accept the conspiracy explanation for events that have happened before it's too late for actual explanations to be available to them to have answers to these questions that are now just quote-unquote anomalies. | ||
| Alex knows that this is the way that he makes money. | ||
| Tragedy happens and he comes up with interesting explanations for why the big bad imaginary enemies are totally secretly to blame for it. | ||
| And the only way that things will ever get better is if you accept this interpretation and buy his CMOS. | ||
| He understands that game and that's why he can't just leave this well enough alone and say that accidents happen. | ||
| It would be an act of him robbing himself. | ||
| So you can, it's fascinating to me that like It's a perfectly acceptable defense to say accidents happen. | ||
| Any other human could lead the show with, this is a tragedy, our hearts go out to everybody who is involved, but Alex can't. | ||
| Can't do it. | ||
| It's directly counter to every money-making instinct that he has. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He must exploit tragedy. | ||
| And it's smart. | ||
| It's smart because what he's doing is the same thing that, you know, he's doing Twitter engagement, essentially. | ||
| Some asshole posts, it's all Trump's fault for doing the FFAA thing. | ||
| You're hung up on the future farmers of America. | ||
| Yeah, right? | ||
| And then some other asshole is like, no, it's not. | ||
| And then they fight. | ||
| And then the LA Times gets a little community no. | ||
| And then they fight. | ||
| And then Alex says, see, they're all saying the same shit. | ||
| And then... | ||
| It's out here. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Ready to be shit on. | ||
| And what's interesting to me about that is that, like, I perfectly conceive of how this is working on Twitter and racking up views and numbers and stuff like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But as a radio show, it's not good. | ||
| No. | ||
| It feels like a one-sided Twitter argument. | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| And as a continuation of Alex's career, I think it's tragic. | ||
| Not good. | ||
| So that's fun, honestly. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, you know, it is like there was a certain amount of creativity back before Instantaneous News, you know, where you'd have sports talk radio and they'd really have to spend like an hour discussing something that could be like five minutes long. | ||
| Like, oh yeah, he needs to shoot better. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| They got to spend an hour. | ||
| Ah, his girlfriend. | ||
| You know, like that whole thing. | ||
| But now, you know, there's that, like, oh, I don't even need to provide context. | ||
| This guy sucks. | ||
| Next one. | ||
| This guy's, you know, there's just so much constant information that it doesn't require the same creativity that it used to, you know? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| He's just responding to somebody. | ||
| Oh, the media always has it. | ||
| Spend some time in there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, like, you know, for, like, what you're describing, like, these sports talk shows would be, like, We're getting word from trainers that here's a situation with an ankle or whatever. | ||
| Now it's just like... | ||
| Some asshole said... | ||
| Yeah, with no picture on Twitter and an anonymous person. | ||
| Some asshole. | ||
| What does this have to do with the ankle? | ||
| It's not even fun to do Twitter handle at blank blank blank 69 420 anymore. | ||
| It sucks. | ||
| They're just everywhere. | ||
| Boo! | ||
| Come on. | ||
| I say boo to thee, Twitter. | ||
| So Roger is back on because Trump called Alex and, you know, you gotta keep doing it. | ||
| And the JFK files are going to come out any day now. | ||
| So Roger has some excuses for why the JFK files aren't out yet. | ||
| Last night you did an emergency broadcast with me that's gotten tens of millions of views. | ||
| Thanks to listeners for watching out of the Alex Jones Network Studios. | ||
| And you were very clear. | ||
| That Trump told you five years ago at the first declassification of 80% and then the new one he signed last week that has 15 days for them to develop the plan under law to release will, quote, seal the fate of the CIA and the deep state that we're still fighting basically the grandkids of and that Trump said to you it is just so horrible that he didn't release it the first time and then went on CIA involvement. | ||
| And I love, most of the listeners know, you're good friends with Trump and all the rest of it, and Trump's even made some of those statements public. | ||
| They said, what's the source? | ||
| It's the president. | ||
| But then, you got a call, and other folks, and we got, you know, but without getting into all that, it's ridiculous for the idea that we would be saying something, you would be saying something, when you're a known confidant of Trump, that it would be something that we were just making up. | ||
| But, Roger, recap all the history. | ||
| And then what you're expecting and what you've heard is obviously classified, so you can just give your scalds of it, about what is about to come out and why they're so scared. | ||
| Well, Alex, I think you've got it exactly right. | ||
| Back in the late 90s, a law was passed that mandated the release and the declassification of all the materials pertaining to JFK's assassination. | ||
| The date they set... | ||
| He fell early in Donald Trump's first term in 2017. | ||
| And I brought it to his attention in a phone conversation. | ||
| I said, you know, this is coming up. | ||
| What are you going to do? | ||
| He wasn't aware of the deadline, but he said he'd check into it. | ||
| Then he got back to me and he said, you're right. | ||
| This is all set to happen. | ||
| What do you think I should do? | ||
| My recommendation was to release it all. | ||
| It had been more than 50 years. | ||
| There's nobody involved who is still alive, by and large. | ||
| And if elements of the government were involved in the murder of an American president, well, the American people should know that. | ||
| So he told me he was going to think about it. | ||
| And I got the strong impression he was going to release everything. | ||
| And then he released about 80 percent of it. | ||
| Now, we found out some very significant things in what he did release. | ||
| For example, the KGB had run their own investigation. | ||
| They had determined that there was a conspiracy, a plot, and that Lyndon Johnson was the centerpiece of it. | ||
| The French intelligence had also run their own investigation, come up with the same conclusion. | ||
| But then, ultimately, he released about 80% of it, held back about 20%. | ||
| And when I asked him why he did that, he told me that Mike Pompeo, then the head of the CIA, had convinced him that it was too explosive and it would expose the agency's methods and sources. | ||
| So then I said... | ||
| Well, but you've seen it all. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| And he said, it's so terrible I can't tell you. | ||
| I just can't tell you, but someday you'll know. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Trump sounds like shit then. | ||
| All right. | ||
| This doesn't make Trump sound good. | ||
| Here's what I got for you. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Mike Pomporio's Next Flavor. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| Has he put out an album? | ||
| Ooh, that's a good point. | ||
| I don't want- Never mind. | ||
| No. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I walk it back. | ||
| Change it. | ||
| I don't need it. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| I'm going to save it. | ||
| I'm going to save this. | ||
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| Mike Pompeo Oreos. | ||
| And then I'll watch a speech that he gave at the Council of Foreign Relations. | ||
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| I'll eat the Oreo while listening to him wax on about foreign policy. | ||
| That works. | ||
| Look, that sounds bad. | ||
| It doesn't sound good. | ||
| I think you're trying to make a hero out of this Trump character. | ||
| And I think that what you've shown is that he is weak and malleable and... | ||
| Borden, and maybe a fabulist. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You know, maybe he's telling you, oh, you don't even know, it's so crazy. | ||
| Maybe he's a liar and weak. | ||
| Yeah, it does feel like a lot of the times what they do is they just say the worst possible things, but they make it sound like it's good. | ||
| If I, look, maybe I have a devil may care kind of streak to me, but... | ||
| If I am in Trump's position, I fuck around, accidentally become president, I find out about the JFK stuff, and I'm willing to tell a dear, dear friend of mine that it's so horrible. | ||
| Oh, it's so horrible. | ||
| The worst thing I've ever seen. | ||
| I would risk my life to release that. | ||
| And if the CIA had said, you can't do it, I would say, well, we're at an impasse, and this is coming out. | ||
| Yeah, then you're dead. | ||
| The CIA kills the president all the time. | ||
| Then I lie to Pompeo. | ||
| There haven't even been four presidents who have ever made it to term. | ||
| They all get killed halfway through. | ||
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| Replaced by a CIA spy. | ||
| I think that what Roger is somewhat describing, though not putting it this way, is that Trump failed a test. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Trump failed a very, very serious integrity test. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And we're trying to create the appearance that that is a sign of character. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And I think that sucks. | ||
| Right. | ||
| No, I mean... | ||
| In their world, showing moderation and restraint is not a sign of good moral character. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's the wrong move. | ||
| Being convinced to not blow the lid off JFK assassination stuff at the behest of Mike Pompeo is not a flex. | ||
| It would be really nice if they just got it out of our fucking system. | ||
| It would be nice if we were just fucking done with it. | ||
| That's the only strong feeling I have about the declassification stuff. | ||
| When I said I didn't care earlier... | ||
| I do mean that I don't particularly care. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But that argument that you're making is the only... | ||
| It's the only thing that makes it... | ||
| What are we hiding? | ||
| We've committed like two genocides since then. | ||
| Move on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Let's go. | ||
| We've accepted whatever. | ||
| And this like specter of what could be in there is so fucking annoying. | ||
| And it allows Alex and Roger to play these games. | ||
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| So Alex, back in the day, he interviewed LBJ's mistress. | ||
| That sounds right. | ||
| And Alex tells the story about it. | ||
| And then Roger accidentally reveals that Alex might be remembering a Geraldo piece that he saw. | ||
| I heard Madeline Duncan Brown twice on my Access TV show and once on my syndicated radio show in person. | ||
| She still lived here in Austin. | ||
| She was the admitted main mistress of LBJ. | ||
| Had a son with him. | ||
| The main one. | ||
| It was nice. | ||
| I mean, he did have a lot. | ||
| It was a dead ringer for LBJ. | ||
| Yeah, but she was on record. | ||
| This is not even debated. | ||
| And she said, you know, she was there a few days before in Dallas. | ||
| And, you know, he came in to have sex with him in the hotel room. | ||
| And she told me this right there in the studio. | ||
| And he said, that son of a bitch, Kennedy, will never embarrass me again when he gets here a few days. | ||
| And then she heard him talking to other men saying, I want that son of a bitch dead. | ||
| Yeah, there is, all of that is accurate. | ||
| It's interesting that I was in a green room with Geraldo Rivera at Fox. | ||
| This was... | ||
| After I wrote my book and I told him that I had seen his iconic interview with Madeline Brown in which she tells him that the night before the assassination she had an assassination with What a similar story. | ||
| Yeah, that's the exact quote. | ||
| And she told me that. | ||
| We gotta find the video. | ||
| And when I asked Geraldo about that, he said, who's Madeline Brown? | ||
| He's done a lot of stuff and I haven't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's almost insulting. | ||
| I mean, to say it to Alex's face instead of just going with, how about that? | ||
| Could've gone with... | ||
| How about that? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I think that there's something to be said for like, oh, yeah, you know, after you did that interview, she was also on Geraldo or something like that. | ||
| But to retell the exact story and refer to it as something that happened in an iconic Geraldo interview. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| The use of the word iconic is incredibly insulting. | ||
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| He chose that word very specifically. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think there's a passive aggression at very least that's at play here. | ||
| I think he should give out Pence. | ||
| You've just been rat-fucked by Stone. | ||
| You know? | ||
| Like, just boom! | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I said iconic. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| There you go. | ||
| You got fucked. | ||
| That's the way you should do it. | ||
| That's the smart way. | ||
| Well, he had those autographed stones. | ||
| Yeah, but that's really fucking stupid, and he should be embarrassed about that. | ||
| I have one of them. | ||
| A listener sent me one. | ||
| Yeah, no, I understand, but you didn't come up with the idea of signing a rock. | ||
| No, but it's a good idea if your name's Stone. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah, Oliver Stone did it. | ||
| Did he? | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Goddammit, people with the name Stone gotta get their shit together. | ||
| His son, who I've forgotten his name, but is on in Infowars sometimes. | ||
| Stone, not a very creative groupage of names. | ||
| So we got one last clip here, and it's Alex trying to get into the weeds with Roger about this helicopter story. | ||
| And Roger, eh, doesn't care. | ||
| What do you make of this helicopter thing? | ||
| I had a bunch of FAA experts on. | ||
| They say none of it makes sense. | ||
| If you look at how all this works, stuff was turned off. | ||
| This is the most busy airspace in North America, and this helicopter for minutes are saying, stop, stop, stop. | ||
| It's like flying around in the flight path. | ||
| What the hell is that? | ||
| Well, first of all, we have to pray for all those victims of both aircrafts. | ||
| The whole thing is so horrific, just horrific. | ||
| In all honesty, today, because of our great show last night, I've been completely immersed in JFK, RFK, and MLK because of the media inquiries that our show last night generated. | ||
| So I've read a little bit about this. | ||
| My son, as you know, is a very accomplished pilot. | ||
| He told me, Dad, something's not right here, but I haven't had a chance to have an extensive conversation with him. | ||
| Well, as soon as you're able, I want to have you hit any other points, but... | ||
| I love the... | ||
| The president really liked last night's show, too. | ||
| I heard that. | ||
| Yes, I heard that. | ||
| From who? | ||
| Well, I'm just... | ||
| I mean, I'm flattered that he was watching. | ||
| Look, the president is a big fan of yours, Alex. | ||
| He knows that you've stuck with him through thick and thin, and you've taken some criticism. | ||
| I remember when I first went to you, we met during the JFK memorial celebrations, and I said to you, you know what, Donald Trump's going to be president. | ||
| And you said, well, you know, Ted Cruz is a Texan. | ||
| He's been talking to me, and I've been thinking about maybe supporting him. | ||
| I'm not that political, really. | ||
| And I said to Alex. | ||
| Donald Trump is going to be president, and you have huge influence with Republican primary voters because of the giant audience of conservatives who watch Infowars. | ||
| And if anyone will read my book, The Making of the President 2016, which you can find at StoneZone.com. | ||
| No, that's totally true, but I'd met you a few years before to another JFK deal, but I remember you saying, hey, I'm coming to Austin. | ||
| Trust me, he's going to be the president. | ||
| And I knew you were a serious guy. | ||
| I said, well, come on, and you got me on board. | ||
| This is like Steve Pachanek telling Alex, like, I've misled you for 20 years. | ||
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The whole thing. | |
| The whole thing. | ||
| I'm fascinated by the energy difference between the two of them, though. | ||
| Like, Roger knows he's connected to Trump, and so he kind of has a little bit of big dick energy. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| You know, there's a little bit of, like, I don't have to prove anything. | ||
| He's very relaxed, yeah. | ||
| And Alex is desperate to demonstrate this connection and use Roger to validate it. | ||
| Yeah, his desperation is... | ||
| It's loud. | ||
| Delectable. | ||
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| Both delectable and loud. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So also, the way he's describing their relationship is shady. | ||
| Roger is telling Alex that Trump is going to win, so he should get on board. | ||
| Like, it sounds more like a negotiation than trying to get someone to support a candidate. | ||
| A little bit, yeah. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| That is bad. | ||
| Oh, I mean, boy, just hearing the words like, oh, you were telling me I'm not very political. | ||
| The Infowars guy? | ||
| Yep. | ||
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Yep, yep. | |
| Not very political, huh? | ||
| The guy who worked for Pat Buchanan's campaign before he was on the air and tried to get Ron Paul elected for decades. | ||
| I don't really care about Ted Cruz. | ||
| You just never know. | ||
| It's a coincidence. | ||
| How would the presentation on Alex's show in 2015 have been different if he was like, I'm talking to Ted Cruz about maybe supporting his campaign, but hey, this Roger Stone guy is coming around and he's making some pretty compelling points. | ||
| Hey, I'm up for grab. | ||
| How would that be different than the way he actually tried to present himself on air? | ||
| Well, because his whole thing is everybody else takes a big bag of money to say whatever it is that they're saying to you. | ||
| And it would look real bad if he said, I took a big bag of money to say this to you. | ||
| Right, and a metaphorical big bag of money. | ||
| It might not even be money. | ||
| Not even big enough. | ||
| Validation. | ||
| Whatever amount it was not big enough. | ||
| Hey, Roger, will you play along while I pretend that I'm Trump's best friend? | ||
| Yeah, sure, I'll do that for you. | ||
| I got that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe that's it. | ||
| You will be close to power. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You've always wanted legitimacy. | ||
| It has been given to you. | ||
| And then, like the ironic genie wishes of old... | ||
| Ted Cruz isn't going to give a fuck about you. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| I'll still come on and be passive-aggressive with you and give you a pen. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| You've got to get pens. | ||
| That's the way to go. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Man. | ||
| It really adds insult to injury if you get handed a pen. | ||
| Because a card, sure, but that could be anything. | ||
| A pen, that's a man who's got 48 cents to spend. | ||
| And you should probably make it a funny font. | ||
| Oh, of course. | ||
| On the pen. | ||
| If anything, it should reveal a naked Roger Stone whenever you flip it over. | ||
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Oh, that would be good. | |
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| That would be good. | ||
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Yep. | |
| That's our next merch. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Naked Roger Stone pens. | ||
| That's the way to do it. | ||
| Welcome to the Stone Bone Zone. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So anyway, there's a lot going on in the world, and I feel like we are not capturing a great deal of it. | ||
| Not here. | ||
| I feel like there's almost like an ability to cover a thing. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There was the plane crash, and Alex was able to try and struggle with that. | ||
| I was looking through a list of Trump's executive orders and shit, and it's just baffling, the amount of stuff that is not being addressed on his show at all. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But what do you expect, I guess? | ||
| I mean, he doesn't have time to get into... | ||
| Am I sure that it was a coincidence? | ||
| He doesn't have time for that. | ||
| How could he get into 200 executive orders? | ||
| Just not possible. | ||
| Well, do I think this is just the way things work in a complex world? | ||
| Do I think it is? | ||
| I think that's something that if he did the level of preparation that he pretends to, he maybe should have come to a conclusion before getting on air about that. | ||
| You know, but that's the thing about this funny mixed-up world of ours. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So complicated, he didn't have time. | ||
| No, he couldn't think about whether cause and effect is a thing. | ||
| Normally he has time, but this time, out of nowhere. | ||
| Coincidence. | ||
| So anyway, we'll be back with another episode, see where, ooh, we might get into February. | ||
| Ooh, very exciting. | ||
| Super Bowl's around the corner. | ||
| Getting there. | ||
| Oh, that'll be great. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm looking forward to that. | ||
| So that'll be down the road, but until then, we have a website. | ||
| Indeed we do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
| Yep, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DCX Clark, I am the Mysterious Professor. | ||
| Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo! | ||
| And now here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
| Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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