#978: Tucker, The Man And His Demon
In this installment, Dan and Jordan get distracted from Alex by very important Tucker Carlson news, specifically that he wants Trump to hand out spankings, and that he was attacked by a demon.
Nov. 4, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
02:18:50
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I love your world. | |
| Knowledge fight. | ||
| KnowledgeFight.com. | ||
| I love you. | ||
| Hey, everybody. | ||
| Welcome back to KnowledgeFight. | ||
| I'm Dan. | ||
| I'm Jordan. | ||
| We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. | ||
| Oh, indeed we are. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Dan. | ||
| Jordan. | ||
| Quick question for you. | ||
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What's up? | |
| What's your bright spot today, buddy? | ||
| My bright spot today is a wonderful type of moment that you can have sometimes. | ||
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All right. | |
| And that is the moment where you realize, ah, shit, I'm stupid. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I like that moment. | ||
| Yeah, so I got a pack of mamba, you know, the candy. | ||
| Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And I have a berry-licious variety. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, so it's like different berry flavors. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure, sure. | ||
| And one of the kind that was in there was a wild strawberry. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And so I was looking at it, and I ate it, and I realized for the first time that wild was not a, like, cool adjective. | ||
| It meant wild like it grows wild. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| And I realized that wild cherry Pepsi has always, I always thought it was like... | ||
| Super cool dude's Pepsi. | ||
| This cherry is wild. | ||
| This cherry fucks. | ||
| This cherry is cool as shit. | ||
| I always, I realized that I never had the thought that the wild could mean something else. | ||
| Just like out in the wild. | ||
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Yep. | |
| All right. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Huh. | ||
| So that was a nice moment to have. | ||
| That is interesting because I honestly had the opposite thought, and I appreciate that far more. | ||
| And in fact, I am slightly jealous that you have reached that and not me. | ||
| I feel like that's the way I should be looking at the world. | ||
| So you never thought, like, whenever you thought of Wild Cherry Pepsi, you never thought of it on a skateboard? | ||
| No, absolutely not. | ||
| I'm really disappointed in myself. | ||
| I feel like you've seen into my soul and taken a small part of it away from me. | ||
| But you were correct. | ||
| That's not... | ||
| That's even worse! | ||
| I wonder if it's because I... | ||
| Maybe it's something to do with the marketing of Wild Cherry Pepsi. | ||
| Maybe it was something that when I was a kid, I just saw these commercials and they were trying to be cool. | ||
| So I associated that with the wild. | ||
| Right, maybe. | ||
| But I mean, it's like... | ||
| Mountain Dew is never wild. | ||
| You know? | ||
| But they were always supposed to be cool. | ||
| I mean, there's a live wire. | ||
| That's the orange one. | ||
| Is it? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't know any of the Mountain Dews. | ||
| Code Red. | ||
| I remember the Code Red from the childhood I had. | ||
| The blue something or other. | ||
| There's a blue one. | ||
| There's the Baja Blast. | ||
| What a world. | ||
| See, that's the thing, though. | ||
| Mountain Dew is always wild. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| It's implied. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| You don't need that adjective there. | ||
| I never thought to add, you know, it's on me. | ||
| Somehow. | ||
| Disappointed in myself. | ||
| Involved in moonshine and prohibition. | ||
| I don't know the story. | ||
| Anyway, what's your bright spot? | ||
| My bright spot is all the way back from the past into the present, The Cure have a new album out. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's pretty good. | ||
| All right. | ||
| That's pretty good. | ||
| There's a weird defensiveness coming off of you about it being good. | ||
| No, I mean, there's a, like, so they've had several albums in between now and the past 15 years, let's say. | ||
| And I've liked about two of them. | ||
| But for some reason, I just, I just, I always go, I'll always take a listen. | ||
| This one's pretty good! | ||
| Can I make a confession? | ||
| What's that? | ||
| I don't know if I know exactly who The Cure is. | ||
| You don't know who The Cure is? | ||
| Robert Smith? | ||
| Disintegration? | ||
| What are some of the songs? | ||
| Fascination Street. | ||
| Love Song. | ||
| Your favorite 311 band. | ||
| What? | ||
| Do you remember 311 played the love song, you know? | ||
| That is not one of the hits of 311. | ||
| It's a cover of The Cure. | ||
| They had all mixed up. | ||
| Don't know what to do. | ||
| Next thing you turn around to find a person is you. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
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See, I think the... | |
| I will always love you. | ||
| I was never interested. | ||
| I think that it's the blank tough sell for me. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Especially with something like The Cure. | ||
| I think there's a hundred bands that I just get it mixed up with. | ||
| Sure, but it's The Cure. | ||
| There's a difference between all those other bands and The Cure. | ||
| They're The Cure. | ||
| I think I've been pretending to be aware of them. | ||
| I was going to say, I feel like we've even talked about... | ||
| I think I've heard more than I realize I've heard. | ||
| Probably. | ||
| Disintegration is genuinely one of the great albums of the time of the world. | ||
| You know, I think that maybe it was a little bit... | ||
| It's sad for me. | ||
| It's very sad. | ||
| It's gothy as shit. | ||
| Yeah, but that's why I never really gravitated to it as much as a youth. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because I know that song, but I don't know if I would have ever thought, like, I'm going to explore more of this. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Well, that one's, in a way, the outlier on Disintegration. | ||
| It's mostly very dark and kind of gothy. | ||
| There's a lot of spiders. | ||
| A lot of spider talk? | ||
| A lot of spider talk. | ||
| A lot of talking spiders? | ||
| A lot of spiders talking. | ||
| Maybe that was what I didn't like. | ||
| I was scared of spiders. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| That'll happen. | ||
| I think that I might have packaged them with The Clash when I was younger. | ||
| That could have happened. | ||
| And I know who The Clash is. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so maybe I'm just like, it's too close. | ||
| I understand. | ||
| I'm not going to take a The C name except for the Cranberries. | ||
| I was going to say. | ||
| I'll take the cranberries, but that's distinctive. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the album. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And I think that this is maybe as close as we're going to get to something wacky-ish. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So this ought to be a little bit fun. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| And we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. | ||
| Ooh, that's a great idea. | ||
| So first, working on a time tunnel, so I will have been a wonk already. | ||
| Thank you so much for now, Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Or you always were. | ||
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Ooh. | |
| Next, it was only a matter of time before someone requested a matter of time shout-out. | ||
| That podcast is definitive proof that I actually will listen to Dan and Jordan talk about anything. | ||
| Thank you so much for now, Policy Wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| You can see I grouped together. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| Next, Owen Schroer could not get a bucket on Davis in 25 tries. | ||
| Owen, if you hear this message, I will be at Lively Middle on South Congress at 6.30 today and tomorrow and the next day. | ||
| This is a court summons. | ||
| Bring a spare pair to wear home. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're on OutPolicyWalk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| I think someone wants to do some hoops. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| That's the way we should solve more problems. | ||
| And finally, it's PETA time. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| You're now a policy wonk. | ||
| I'm a policy wonk. | ||
| Thank you very much! | ||
| Solid type of bread. | ||
| Yes, indeed. | ||
| So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're going a little wacky. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The election's tomorrow. | ||
| I have heard that. | ||
| And I'm going to be perfectly frank with you. | ||
| I've been horribly underwhelmed by Alex's coverage of the election up to this point. | ||
| Everything is a foregone conclusion to the point where it really just feels like a person who's going through the motions. | ||
| He's a person who's reached a lazy editorial conclusion, and his coverage of every story is just him attempting to spin things to support that conclusion. | ||
| It sucks, it's uninspired, and I'm not excited that he raffled off a truck to bring in attention to his new fake business that's outside the bankruptcy. | ||
| But I don't want to live in that malaise. | ||
| I don't want to be in that boardroom. | ||
| It's just awful. | ||
| This election is important and there are exciting things going on whether or not either candidate has all the policy positions you'd want and being forced to see this through the prism of Alex Jones is just It's no good. | ||
| This shit does matter and the only way that I felt like I could escape the boredom spiral that Alex was forcing upon me was to put him on the Good call. | ||
| So I did. | ||
| And thankfully, the most important man in the world, Tucker Carlson, decided to really spice things up in the last days of the campaign. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| So today, I thought we would get into some of the very exciting Tucker Carlson news. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How much of this are you aware of? | ||
| None. | ||
| You don't know anything? | ||
| I'm literally trying to stay completely off the internet. | ||
| You don't know the very big thing that happened with Tucker Carlson in the last week. | ||
| No! | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Oh man, everybody listening to this knows already. | ||
| I'm trying to leave the internet and just read books. | ||
| When people publish books, I just read them now. | ||
| No, I know, but that's like the recapturing the magic of this, like you actually don't know what's coming. | ||
| I know, I'm trying. | ||
| I'm reaching for the future. | ||
| So I thought what we would do is we would start off by listening to his speech that he gave on October 23rd at a rally in Georgia for turning... | ||
| USA this was a Trump rally great and so we're gonna listen to a little bit of this and yeah enjoy I have never in my life spoken at a political rally. | ||
| I've covered a million of them for over 30 years, and I've never spoken at one, never thought I would, and I'm so thrilled. | ||
| I'm honored to be here. | ||
| I really am. | ||
| I am. | ||
| It's totally without shame and entirely with gratitude I'm standing here. | ||
| And I can't believe I just spoke after Bobby Kennedy. | ||
| So cool! | ||
| So Tucker says this is the first political rally he's spoken at, but I would argue that his entire tour was one big political rally, pretending to be an interview show. | ||
| A bunch of his guests were associated with the Trump campaign, including his VP choice J.D. Vance and Trump's son. | ||
| All Tucker does is political rallies, basically. | ||
| But even leaving that aside, Tucker spoke at the RNC this year. | ||
| Like, he can pretend that he hasn't made these kinds of appearances in the past, but it's bullshit, and it's specifically meant to build the theme of this speech that he's going to give. | ||
| Just before he got on stage, there were speeches from RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard. | ||
| These are presumably supposed to be people who were on the left but saw the light, so now they've come over to the right-wing side. | ||
| Tucker is trying to fit that mold because it's very popular and they think it's a compelling pitch to undecided and tentative voters. | ||
| It's essentially a way of saying, come on in, the water's fine. | ||
| RFK and Tulsi switch teams and look at me, I've never spoken at a political rally, but here I am. | ||
| It's basically just that. | ||
| It's like when you're busking and you put a dollar of your own money in the hat. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Yeah, bingo. | ||
| So he gets into his speech a little bit and, you know, it's this... | ||
| Trump's gonna win. | ||
| Yeah, of course. | ||
| And then he starts saying a certain word a bit. | ||
| Oh. | ||
| So here's my perspective. | ||
| I think Donald Trump's gonna win. | ||
| Which is amazing! | ||
| And that's why I'm here. | ||
| I'm not here because he's gonna win. | ||
| I'm here because I'm so thrilled by what I've watched over the past nine years. | ||
| This is the end of a redemption arc. | ||
| I've really never seen anybody treated like Donald Trump was treated. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Anybody. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| Attack him. | ||
| I watch this all up close. | ||
| Defame him. | ||
| Indite him. | ||
| Arrest him. | ||
| Let him get shot in the face. | ||
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And he's gonna win anyway. | |
| It is a triumph. | ||
| It's a triumph. | ||
| The phrase "triumph of the human spirit" has been turned into a cliché by the people who write movie posters, but it doesn't make it any less real. | ||
| Donald Trump's victory will be a triumph of the human spirit. | ||
| Triumph of the Will, one might say. | ||
| It's real easy to see Tucker saying triumph over and over and saying triumph of the human spirit and remember that the most famous Nazi propaganda film of all time is called Triumph of the Will. | ||
| And then you make a little bit of a connection there. | ||
| It would make sense to think that he's signaling to that direction, but his response would obviously be that he's just using the word triumph and referencing movie posters. | ||
| You're the weird one if your mind associates that with Nazi stuff. | ||
| But there's a deeper problem here, which is, you know, have you ever watched Triumph of the Will? | ||
| No, of course not. | ||
| I've watched it, and what Tucker is describing is literally the point of that film. | ||
| Great! | ||
| It's about how they tried for years since World War I to keep Hitler down and oppress the German people, but he withstood all the persecution and adversity, and his 1934 arrival at the Nazi Party Congress in Nuremberg... | ||
| Just after the Night of the Long Knives was the titular Triumph of the Will. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| Either Tucker knows the way he's describing Trump is pretty similar to the image that's painted of Hitler in Triumph of the Will, and he's calling this rally and election a triumph of the human spirit, or it's just a crazy coincidence. | ||
| I think triumph is a great word for me to poop on. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I knew that was coming. | ||
| There's no way not to. | ||
| The freeze frame you did was just... | ||
| The mug was the... | ||
| I had to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There's no other way to save it. | ||
| I've thought about this a bit. | ||
| Like, whether or not that was intentional or, you know, how much of a signal that is. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I think it's too much to be like a stone-cold coincidence. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, it is either a coincidence... | ||
| That is incredibly frustrating and almost, what would I say, in retrospect, like, divine. | ||
| It is that level of like, oh, really? | ||
| Is it also the anniversary of the day Triumph of the Will was released? | ||
| How bad are we going to go with this being a coincidence before we go, oh, there's a prime mover of the universe? | ||
| I also regret... | ||
| Right now, just in this moment, not looking up letterboxed reviews. | ||
| I bet there's some good stuff in there. | ||
| I bet there's some good ones, yeah. | ||
| So there's really an underlying theme that goes throughout Tucker's speech, and that he's really trying to enforce, and that is, you're not weird. | ||
| You're cool. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So if I understand correctly... | ||
| Tucker Carlson is telling people that they're cool, and those people are not giving him a swirly. | ||
| They are believing him. | ||
| Yeah, because they're self-conscious, I guess, about the world thinking that they're weird. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And he's reassuring them. | ||
| Well... | ||
| It will be a moral victory the size of which I never thought I would live to see. | ||
| And it's essential. | ||
| It is so important that that happens. | ||
| For a couple of reasons, and here's what they are. | ||
| The first is to dissolve for all time, for the world to see, the primary lie about Donald Trump, which is that only freaks and misfits like him. | ||
| That's a lie. | ||
| And they've been telling that lie since the second he came down that escalator nine years ago. | ||
| If you like that, there's something wrong with you. | ||
| You're the only person you know who likes that. | ||
| You're a freak. | ||
| Be ashamed. | ||
| Do not talk about Donald Trump in public. | ||
| Don't wear his dangerous little red hat. | ||
| And if you're in the media, how dare you speak to him? | ||
| And that was a lie from day one. | ||
| It was a big lie. | ||
| So this is really strange messaging. | ||
| We need to win the election so you all don't feel like you're being judged for your political beliefs. | ||
| We have to win so you realize you're normal. | ||
| This thing is kind of thin because Trump won in 2016 and Tucker and all of his dipshit friends insist he won in 2020, so I don't see what him winning again would prove in terms of this moral victory. | ||
| Trump won in 2016 and the establishment in the mainstream wasn't forced to accept that all his fans were the normal ones. | ||
| That didn't happen then and it won't happen if he wins this year because he's cultivated a fan base that's intensely hostile, believes complete bullshit, and operates almost entirely on promises of punishing people for imaginary grievances. | ||
| If Trump wins, all these folks can raise a glass of champagne in celebration like they did at Infowars in 2016, but that won't change the fact that they're part of a very unhealthy Yeah. | ||
| Here's what it makes me think of this. | ||
| I think I was reading something about how the Dodgers this year were like, oh, we just came out with this attitude of like, nobody believes in us and they don't think we can do it. | ||
| And it's like, you literally have the most money spent on the best players. | ||
| On your team. | ||
| Everyone believed in you. | ||
| Because that's how money works. | ||
| When you put all the money into the thing. | ||
| Like, we believe that Trump could win. | ||
| He's already won. | ||
| That's how it works. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I'm promising you some feeling of being normal. | ||
| Or like, everyone will have to look at you like a normal... | ||
| No, you remember how it was when he was president before? | ||
| And everybody was just on edge, kind of angry all the time? | ||
| Even you, for no reason? | ||
| It's such a strange thing to be like... | ||
| I understand, like, I'll lower your taxes or whatever. | ||
| I understand that kind of thing, but I will make you feel normal. | ||
| Give me shit! | ||
| Whatever happened to give me shit? | ||
| Why is making me feel normal even available as an option? | ||
| So these, the left and everybody who's against Trump, they can only uphold their lies by force. | ||
| It was a big lie. | ||
| It was January 6th is an insurrection. | ||
| What? | ||
| It's the kind of lie that they tell relentlessly. | ||
| They punish anyone who contradicts the lie because it is so preposterous it can only be upheld through force. | ||
| And in the last three months, we have seen that lie dissolve like the wicked witch of the West under a bucket of water. | ||
| Look around. | ||
| Is this a room full of freaks and misfits? | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| This is a room full of people who love their country enough to obey its laws. | ||
| Who sincerely believe in its founding precepts? | ||
| Who pay their taxes? | ||
| Who go to work? | ||
| The ever-shrinking percentage of Americans who work a 40-hour week? | ||
| Who expect nothing from the system and who have given their lives for the system? | ||
| Who are born in this country and plan to die here? | ||
| And they're the most mistreated group in this nation. | ||
| And they're also the biggest group in this nation. | ||
| Wait, what? | ||
| They're not some weird subculture of MAGA. | ||
| They're America itself! | ||
| This is fun, but it's kind of dumb. | ||
| It's just like red meat pandering. | ||
| It's meant to reassure the audience. | ||
| He's asking if this is a room full of weirdos, and he's speaking after RFK Jr. | ||
| If RFK Jr. is just normalized to the point where his presence on a speaker's list doesn't seem strange, then there's no standard for who is and is not a weirdo. | ||
| How many more headless bodies do we find in Central Park that are a mystery for decades only to be revealed to be the fucking masterminded plan of former goddamn presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.? | ||
| But it was funny. | ||
| It was a prank. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| We are in a room full of weirdos. | ||
| But you can see how this all comes back to, like, these feelings of aggrievement. | ||
| It's all aggrievement and reassurances that you aren't weird for wanting to ban reproductive health care and make it illegal to wear certain clothes, depending on what Tucker feels your gender is. | ||
| It's all just horse shit. | ||
| But, like, I think that there's something so interesting about this relationship to weird. | ||
| Because, like, it's... | ||
| The difference is exclusive versus inclusive weird. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, you know, Pink has a song, or, you know, Razor Glass, if you're wrong in all the right ways. | ||
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Sure. | |
| It's about expanding, like, yeah, we all have some weirdness in us. | ||
| Sure, sure. | ||
| It's normal to be weird. | ||
| Let's enjoy it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They have a... | ||
| And keeping people out version of weirdness. | ||
| They have an exclusion. | ||
| They're interested in upholding the normal. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| As opposed to expanding. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I mean, here's the thing. | ||
| Here's the thing about it, right? | ||
| If you are one of those people... | ||
| of believing the things that they believe, and then you watch other people like you and I having fun and being cool and going out and doing fun stuff, well, then it doesn't seem like it's a very good idea to stay with the weird losers over there, right? | ||
| So then the people are like, oh, well, we could be like them, or let's kill them. | ||
| So that's how you get weird losers who want to kill you. | ||
| Just for having fun! | ||
| And then they need the most important man in the world to come on stage and reassure them about how they're not weird. | ||
| Well, it doesn't make any sense if you stop and think about it. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| It makes no sense. | ||
| They're America itself! | ||
| And the only people who are denying that are the freaks and the misfits, who it turns out are themselves a tiny, bizarre minority, a cult. | ||
| Who are we talking about exactly at this point? | ||
| Who have controlled the rest of us through fear and aggression. | ||
| And that has ended. | ||
| And it has ended thanks to the heroic stand that a couple of individuals have taken, first among them Elon Musk. | ||
| Elon Musk, who single-handedly saved the First Amendment to the Constitution, which, let me remind you, is not just a feature of America, it's the basis of America. | ||
| It's the First Amendment for a reason. | ||
| It's what separates the free from the enslaved. | ||
| Slaves are not allowed to say what they think. | ||
| Free men have God-given right to do so and will. | ||
| And this is the only country on Earth in which that is guaranteed. | ||
| And without Elon Musk, it wouldn't be, because he stands alone as the owner of a media platform that is still open. | ||
| There's only one, and it's X. It's foreign-born Elon Musk. | ||
| And then for him to come out... | ||
| And by the way, just for the record, I've taken not a dollar from Elon Musk, okay? | ||
| It's not a paid advertisement, it's just an observation. | ||
| Okay, I'm convinced. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Since you needed to say that, that means it must be true. | ||
| I am so, like... | ||
| I'm convinced of the, like, up-and-up-ness of this that, like, it just seems above board. | ||
| Hey, if I was at a political rally and I didn't immediately mention that a single lone figure who is, of course, a billionaire at odds with the very concept... | ||
| And I make millions posting my show to per year on his social media website that he owns specifically to, you know... | ||
| Try and get right-wing people elected. | ||
| No, but you're... | ||
| See, now you're making it sound bad. | ||
| What it is, is it's just nice to see a man get a handjob in public. | ||
| For free. | ||
| For free. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| So anyway, Elon Musk is on your side. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So how could you be weird? | ||
| And when you see the richest man on planet Earth stand up there in a t-shirt and start jumping around on stage, he's also one of the biggest federal contractors. | ||
| You've all lost your minds! | ||
| He's got F.U. money. | ||
| No, it's just the opposite. | ||
| There is no such thing as F.U. money. | ||
| The more money you have, the more vested you are. | ||
| There's only F.U. poverty, actually, is the truth. | ||
| Fuck you! | ||
| And so what's the message? | ||
| If the person who's created the most, not just piles of cash, he's not Larry Fink, he's not worshipping money, like our finance class, he's building things. | ||
| And if that guy is for Donald Trump, and not only not ashamed of it, he's jumping around in a t-shirt, I can see his belly button, he's so excited. | ||
| Then maybe I'm not alone! | ||
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Maybe I'm not the freak! | |
| Maybe it's the... | ||
| Maybe what you're really watching is the tyranny of MSNBC. | ||
| I'm not reassured here. | ||
| I don't even... | ||
| I genuinely don't understand how these words connect to each other in a real way. | ||
| What would you like me to clarify? | ||
| Okay. | ||
| How in any way is Elon Musk jumping up and down and quote-unquote not worshipping money like Larry Fink? | ||
| Evidence of... | ||
| I guess anything. | ||
| It's evidence that you're not weird, because he's the richest person in the world, and he's not weird. | ||
| That makes no sense. | ||
| From what I know of any outlier, such as the most blank of anything in the world, they're by definition weird! | ||
| Yeah, and then you kind of have everything that Elon Musk's ever done. | ||
| It's weird! | ||
| It's very weird stuff. | ||
| It's so strange! | ||
| Yeah, he seems like perhaps one of the strangest people who's ever lived. | ||
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Maybe damaged in a way that is unbroken and non-fixable. | |
| It's the same way that you talk about, like, you know, if RFK Jr. wasn't completely bizarre, it would be a mystery. | ||
| Same kind of thing with Musk. | ||
| Yeah, I don't blame him for being weird. | ||
| I blame all of us for allowing him to become the richest man in the world. | ||
| He could be great as any other number of things. | ||
| Society enables certain things. | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| So he's not weird because he's the richest guy in the world, and he has business contracts with the government that he presumably would lose if Trump wins, which is not... | ||
| He would probably stand to benefit a lot, especially considering Trump is talking about putting him in charge of cutting government programs, which I imagine he's not going to cut his own subsidies and stuff. | ||
| No, that's how you prove that you're above it. | ||
| You have to cut your own stuff first to prove to everyone that what you mean is true. | ||
| So if you buy a website to maintain a perfect free speech with all that stuff, then the first thing you have to do is make sure that speech that you don't... | ||
| I don't agree with personally. | ||
| It's featured prominently. | ||
| Deeply protected. | ||
| You don't just ban people who say things that you don't want to hear all the time. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| I think that the argument is silly because also it relies on this like, no, no, no. | ||
| You're not weird. | ||
| That's MSNBC that's weird. | ||
| That's telling you that you're weird. | ||
| I don't know if people care that much. | ||
| About MSNBC? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't feel affected by it in my judgment of Elon Musk or Tucker's behavior. | ||
| I can just sort of free associate this thing. | ||
| It's a wild bit of... | ||
| Fucking judo. | ||
| Whenever you can get from F you rich to F you poor, like, hey, hey, hey, hey, you know that thing that's very obvious? | ||
| Rich people are ruining your lives? | ||
| Wrong! | ||
| It's poor people! | ||
| The you! | ||
| The only people who are truly free in a way that they can throw curveballs is the poor. | ||
| Is the starving. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| So, MSNBC, they're the ones. | ||
| They're the ones who are scamming and telling you you're weird. | ||
| But it's an illusion. | ||
| It's the wizard of us. | ||
| And once you pull back the curtain, the only thing back there is Joe Scarborough. | ||
| You're like, wait a second. | ||
| Why am I taking orders from this guy? | ||
| He's a freak. | ||
| I'm a normal person. | ||
| And that realization has settled on this country. | ||
| On the whole country. | ||
| And you feel it. | ||
| People are not afraid anymore. | ||
| At all. | ||
| I've got a bunch of kids, I text them and I'm gonna go speak at a Trump rally. | ||
| My kids! | ||
| You go! | ||
| I said, do you know any, do you have a lot of friends who are voting for Carmella or whatever her name is? | ||
| No! | ||
| Of course not! | ||
| That's embarrassing! | ||
| So if Tucker pronounced Kamala's name correctly earlier in the speech, this is literally just him calling her Carmella to be a little racist. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's fully aware of what he's doing, but the audience loves it, and if he's called racist for it, he can just do his little, you're too sensitive dance, and then keep insisting that he's normal. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| I wonder how much Tucker actually thinks anyone is, like, taking orders from Joe Scarborough, but... | ||
| I imagine it's less than he thinks. | ||
| I mean, word salad is a delicious dish that I do not want right now. | ||
| I would prefer word salad to be gone. | ||
| I hate to... | ||
| I just... | ||
| I feel like this is so dumb. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But also so angry. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, every single word is dripping in this anger. | ||
| While at the same time being hidden behind a childish, shrieking laugh. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| He's like an evil pixie. | ||
| A laugh that is very real and natural. | ||
| In 100% honesty, if after the election it is revealed that Tucker Carlson is actually Pucker Carlson, that would make sense. | ||
| Puck the... | ||
| Demon. | ||
| Midsummer Night's Dream. | ||
| I thought you meant the guy from The Real World. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| Different. | ||
| Or Apple Pucker, that schnapps. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| So anyway, he goes on talking about who is and is not weird. | ||
| And I just think he's mad. | ||
| We're just listing who, the hot or not. | ||
| We're just doing hot or not. | ||
| Kind of. | ||
| Great. | ||
| Cool. | ||
| And then it becomes a little bit too clear that he's really just mad about immigration. | ||
| It has flipped. | ||
| The story. | ||
| The country tells itself about reality has flipped. | ||
| None of the normal people are supporting the democratic machine. | ||
| Tim Walls is supporting the democratic machine. | ||
| A man you would never allow to babysit your own children. | ||
| That's the archetype. | ||
| It's the party of weirdos, of envy, of hate, of resentment, of bitterness, of weakness, of a... | ||
| Total lack of creativity. | ||
| It's a party of conformity. | ||
| It's a party of the machine. | ||
| Where it doesn't matter who the candidate is because individuals are immaterial. | ||
| All that matters is the collective. | ||
| That's the Soviet model. | ||
| And opposing them is the rest of the country. | ||
| Slowly waking up to the fact that these people have no moral authority whatsoever. | ||
| They have no legitimacy in a democracy where the government must rule by the consent of the government. | ||
| They have no consent. | ||
| And the way that they've treated this country over the past four years is the most shocking thing I've ever seen in 55 years. | ||
| To allow millions of people, mostly young men, with no skills and no English, into our country illegally, and then fly them around at our expense and give them phones and put them on welfare programs that no American citizen can get? | ||
| It is the most insulting? | ||
| Yeah, boo! | ||
| But it's worse than boo! | ||
| That's the biggest crime in the history of the United States of America. | ||
| And it takes incredible, it takes incredible stones, incredible gall for the people who did that to stand up there on a stage and give you a lecture about how you're immoral. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| So, Tucker is somewhat right that the story we're telling ourselves has changed. | ||
| The old story that we told ourselves wasn't totally accurate, and there are a lot of voices that were missing from it, but there have been people genuinely working toward making that story that we tell ourselves more true to reality, not just the subjective reality that you might want to choose to live in. | ||
| And that's really the issue with the narrative flip that Tucker is talking about. | ||
| He, and the people in his community, they've changed some of the fundamentals about the story, but they haven't improved it, or made it more close to reality. | ||
| They've just distorted certain bits and made up complete fictions in order to prop up the story that they want to tell, which is the story of, my view of the world is the natural order, and all public policy should adhere to that. | ||
| Tucker likes to pretend that he's had to put up with so much because it's the only way to rationalize the very severe things he wants Trump to do should he get into power. | ||
| There's no way to justify his desires while still pretending to care about the rule of law or balance of power, so it's critical that he insists Trump is responding to the greatest problem ever. | ||
| And if he needs to do a little more than a president normally should be able to, that's what he needs to do, man! | ||
| We're the normal ones, and the weird people won't let us be normal, and there are too many immigrants who are probably going to have to just look the other way while Trump advocates for and does a ton of stuff that we pretend to be philosophically opposed to. | ||
| It's the only... | ||
| Hey, I mean, you know what? | ||
| You just gotta let your candidate do all the horrible stuff that you don't want them to do, because if you don't, then the other candidate's gonna win. | ||
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Mm-hmm. | |
| So, they hide behind this a bit, this idea of, like, we're so nice. | ||
| We've been so tolerant. | ||
| So tolerant. | ||
| So tolerant for so long. | ||
| What's crazy is how tolerant they have been. | ||
| So tolerant. | ||
| Oh, just a pillar of tolerance. | ||
| Weird how tolerant. | ||
| And so that's the second important thing about this election, okay? | ||
| The first is every person in this room needs to understand you are not in a despised minority. | ||
| You are in an incredibly gentle and tolerant majority who put up with this crap for way too long. | ||
| As they insulted not only you, but the memory of your ancestors who died for this country. | ||
| They tore down statues to their memory. | ||
| People have never built anything in their lives. | ||
| They went out of their way to humiliate you and spit on you and the graves of your ancestors. | ||
| And that's not an exaggeration. | ||
| They did that. | ||
| And this country is so nice. | ||
| It's so polite. | ||
| It's so thoughtful and empathetic and sweet. | ||
| It's the kind of country that loves dogs and gives directions to strangers that we put up with it for four years. | ||
| But we can't anymore. | ||
| We just can't. | ||
| We just can't. | ||
| It's super important for Tucker to make sure that the audience feels normal and also that they feel like they're the victims who are just so nice and they've put up with so much for so long. | ||
| He needs to repeat these premises over and over again, because if he doesn't, it's pretty hard to justify what he wants Trump to do as president. | ||
| Every murderer at least tries to pretend that their actions were done in self-defense, because as a society, we understand that killing someone is wrong, but that there are circumstances where you're left with no choice. | ||
| Tucker wants to advocate for the political equivalent of murder, something that everyone should understand is wrong, and in order to do that, it's critical that he pretend that it's just being done in self-defense. | ||
| And everybody's on the hook. | ||
| They have all agreed to this premise. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I promise that this is frustrating and annoying, but there is a payoff. | ||
| All right. | ||
| You're stewing a little bit. | ||
| No, I'm fine. | ||
| It's great to listen to Tucker Carlson lie. | ||
| That's one of my favorite things to do. | ||
| Well, so we've got to listen to somebody lie. | ||
| That's fair. | ||
| That is fair. | ||
| That is kind of our lives. | ||
| So we just can't put up with this stuff any longer. | ||
| No. | ||
| And there's a couple of reasons. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Justice. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Wait, for who? | ||
| The first reason that we can't put up with it for one more minute is because it's just not justice. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's not justice. | ||
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Shut up! | |
| It's unfair. | ||
| You cannot reward the most parasitic, useless, violent, nasty, aggressive people in your country. | ||
| You can't make them the richest. | ||
| You just can't. | ||
| It's just wrong. | ||
| In a fair, decent country, the people who work the hardest, who have the highest level of talent, who are the most creative, who are the most decent to their neighbors, who give the biggest tips to waitresses, those people should be successful. | ||
| Those people should be revered. | ||
| It shouldn't be Larry Fink. | ||
| Are you joking? | ||
| Kamala Harris shouldn't have a job. | ||
| She has no skills. | ||
| How did we wind up with a system where Kamala Harris, you couldn't change the tire on your truck, much less drive it? | ||
| How did she wind up at the top of the pyramid? | ||
| And then once she's there, she lectures you, like you did something. | ||
| It's too much. | ||
| You can't allow that. | ||
| It's an offense against the truth, against reality, and against justice itself. | ||
| So far, really, the only things that Tucker has said that he thinks is that there's too much immigration and he doesn't like it when people make him feel weird. | ||
| I'm not totally sure what the horrible abuse of justice is that he's talking about, but if I use some context clues, I start to have some ideas. | ||
| It seems that Tucker believes that decent people should be rich. | ||
| That's cool, but I'm not sure how Trump or conservatism as a whole connects to that. | ||
| It's really easy to just point at Larry Fink and say that he shouldn't be rich, but what specific laws has he broken to accumulate his wealth that you think he should be charged with? | ||
| Or what laws do you think Trump will pass in order to address this out-of-control wealth accumulation? | ||
| Do you actually even care about that? | ||
| Or is this just whining? | ||
| This isn't about justice. | ||
| It's about throwing a tantrum, and you can kind of tell with the insults about Harris. | ||
| Why shouldn't she have a job? | ||
| I get that you don't want her to be president, and you might think that she sucks, but she's a qualified lawyer. | ||
| She has the ability to have a job. | ||
| It's fine to not like her or not want to vote for her, but to say that she's unqualified for any job is kind of stupid. | ||
| Similarly stupid to be like, the president is the top of the pyramid. | ||
| Well, I mean, it's just repurposed prosperity gospel. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| It's the same exact thing, you know? | ||
| You're the people who sow, so the money should be coming to you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| It's the exact same thing repurposed politically, and these people believe in both, generally. | ||
| But it's so silly to see it in a political context, because when the rubber hits the road, when, you know... | ||
| Sure. | ||
| You have to deal with reality. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| What would you like to see happen? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I understand the prosperity gospel feelings and shit, but that's not like putting laws into effect. | ||
| I mean, it's more important than putting laws into effect. | ||
| It's God's law. | ||
| I find the prosperity gospel sillier as a gospel than I do as a political strategy. | ||
| It almost makes more sense as a political strategy, because at least at the end of it, supposedly you get something. | ||
| As opposed to like, well, the other guy won't get in. | ||
| It's all very strange. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Hey, listen, I'm not a fan of Gospels. | ||
| So Tucker's first point there is about this idea that things should be fair, which is nice, but it falls apart when he gets to the second reason that we can't put up with Trump not being king any longer. | ||
| And the second reason you can't allow it is very familiar to anyone who has children. | ||
| Which is, if you allow it, you will encourage more of it. | ||
| If you allow people to get away with things that are completely over-the-top and outrageous... | ||
| Don't do this, man. | ||
| You're gonna make me really angry. | ||
| You are the person. | ||
| If you allow your hormone-addled 15-year-old daughter to, like, slam the door of her bedroom and give you the finger, you're going to get more of it. | ||
| And those kids are going to wind up in rehab. | ||
| It's not good for you, and it's not good for them. | ||
| No. | ||
| There has to be a point at which dad comes home. | ||
| So I feel like in any ordinary situation, someone would say something like this and it would ruin them. | ||
| It's so embarrassing and reveals such a deep-seated internal conflict that Tucker wants to enforce on the rest of us that it's very hard to believe that this is something he meant to say and is on message. | ||
| Tucker views the world in a particular way, or at least he's currently pretending to in order to accommodate the only audience he has available to him. | ||
| This viewpoint is basically that the country is a household, and God's the dad, and we're all his children. | ||
| There's probably a mom somewhere, but she's not important, something that's very reflective of his underlying politics. | ||
| Everything has now come down to this firm black versus white, good versus evil dichotomy, so for the sake of simplicity, let's just imagine that there's two children. | ||
| One is represented by Tucker and the folks who he's insisting are supernormal, and the other is the rest of us, people who support access to reproductive rights, civil rights, and don't think that immigration is a white genocide plot. | ||
| As kids, we're going about our lives as we see fit, and Tucker really thinks that we should be punished for our positions. | ||
| His view of what Dad's rules say are that we should be spanked, so he's yelling and whining about how we're getting away with all this stuff that Dad says that we shouldn't do. | ||
| He really wants Dad to punish us, so much so that he's helped create a political cult around a guy who he's dressed up like Dad, so he can show up and punish people, which Tucker can then claim is an act of holy justice. | ||
| This has nothing to do with politics. | ||
| Tucker is just a super fucked up dude who's acting out on a massive stage, whining about how his metaphorical sibling doesn't follow his imaginary rules. | ||
| This is so embarrassing. | ||
| And, like, we talked about this when I went to the Pennsylvania rally, Some of this theme came up. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's shocking that this is something that's like, I'm going to say this more than once. | ||
| No, I like it. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| Because I no longer... | ||
| We no longer live in the liminal space or ambiguous space. | ||
| This is ape shit. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is ape shit. | ||
| And I mean that in a literal... | ||
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How dare you... | |
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| It's both. | ||
| How dare you disagree with the theory of evolution? | ||
| Look at these monkeys. | ||
| What else is there to say? | ||
| Drop my dad! | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| No, it makes sense because what we should be doing is like hammering nuts and putting ants on sticks and having a little snack. | ||
| That's what we are. | ||
| Okay, so this makes sense. | ||
| Yeah, I guess. | ||
| I aspire for slightly above this. | ||
| I do too, but you know what? | ||
| I'm tearing my shirt off. | ||
| It sounds like you just need dad to come home. | ||
| No, I want to beat the shit out of him! | ||
| Fine, I'll be your dad. | ||
| I will hit you. | ||
| Dear Tucker Carlson, I will hit you. | ||
| I will hit you very hard, I promise you. | ||
| You're not going to like this next clip where he talks about what happens when dad comes home. | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| Dad comes home. | ||
| Why are you cheering? | ||
| What is wrong with all of you? | ||
| Free yourselves! | ||
| Free yourselves! | ||
| He's not vengeful. | ||
| He loves his children. | ||
| Disobedient as they may be, he loves them. | ||
| Because they're his children. | ||
| They live in his house. | ||
| That's not a reason! | ||
| And he's going to have to let them know. | ||
| He's going to have to get to your room right now. | ||
| And think about what you did. | ||
| And when dad gets home, you know what he says? | ||
| You've been a bad girl. | ||
| You've been a bad little girl and you're getting a vigorous spanking right now. | ||
| And no, it's not gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| I'm not gonna lie. | ||
| This is gonna hurt you a lot more than it hurts me. | ||
| And you earned this. | ||
| You're getting a vigorous spanking because you've been a bad girl. | ||
| And it has to be this way. | ||
| It has to be this way because it's true. | ||
| And you're only going to get better when you take responsibility for what you did. | ||
| That's not said in the spirit of hate. | ||
| It's not said in the spirit of vengeance or bigotry. | ||
| Far from it. | ||
| It's said in the spirit of justice, which is the purest and best thing there is. | ||
| So this was a part of the speech where it felt like Tucker was getting into it a little too much. | ||
| The audience responded to the dad's home line really well, so I think he spent a little more time than he intended to on the spanking and calling us bad little girls. | ||
| There's one aspect of that that's just off-putting to hear, but there's so much going on in that moment that the surface-level bizarreness masks some deeper problems. | ||
| The first is the way that, initially, Tucker is getting into it as the crowd is cheering, and he says that Dad's home and he's pissed. | ||
| He says that because that's the energy that Trump's movement has. | ||
| Tucker has already said that they've put up with too much for too long. | ||
| The desire to punish is largely motivated by a desire for payback. | ||
| But Tucker knows that that's a really ugly face to put forward, so he immediately has to start qualifying how Dad is pissed. | ||
| It's not about vengeance, it's a justice thing, blah blah blah. | ||
| The excitement of saying these things to a cheering crowd got the best of him, and he sort of slipped that he wants a rage-filled Dad impersonator to punish us, because Tucker would find that validating. | ||
| The second thing is that this conception of the relationship between person and government is pathetic. | ||
| Tucker and his ilk have spent decades complaining about the nanny state and now he wants the dad state. | ||
| He wants a parental relationship with the state where it spanks you for your own good when you break dad's laws. | ||
| We've been over this a little bit in the past because this isn't the first time Tucker has expressed this, but it's definitely the most explicit so far. | ||
| In moments like this, it's hard not to see the complete fraud that he is perpetrating and the intense disrespect he has for this audience. | ||
| Tucker does not want justice, where the state is the dad and everyone's punished when they break the rules. | ||
| Tucker is one of the children in this scenario, but Dad's rules are mysteriously exactly how he thinks the world should work. | ||
| That's the unspoken detail in this whole thing that he's leaving out. | ||
| There is no Dad. | ||
| There's just someone that Tucker has helped enlist to pretend to be Dad in service of handing out punishments based on the rules that Tucker thinks Dad has, which are the basis of his ideas of natural order. | ||
| This is, without exaggeration, one of the dumbest and most childish things I've ever heard someone on Tucker's level of fame and influence Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| I did not think there was any way this was serious. | ||
| Yeah, it's fascinating too, because if you follow his own logic as to how he is to get his natural order, he recognizes something very important, which is that in the natural order that he himself desires, no one will ever treat him with respect. | ||
| Because he is not your dad. | ||
| He's not very dad-like at all. | ||
| In fact... | ||
| He's a weird little loser. | ||
| Yes, he is. | ||
| So what he needs is somebody to tell you about, to enact the things, because if he were to follow his own natural order, we would crush him like ants. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, it's like, well, I don't know. | ||
| My mind immediately went to Bray Wyatt, because when he shows up with the lantern, he's like, we're here. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Not... | ||
| Dad's here. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Or whatever. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| There's no way Tucker could strike any kind of fear into someone by being like, I'm here and I'm going to lay down the law. | ||
| Not going to happen. | ||
| No, you're not. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Dweeb. | ||
| No, you are not. | ||
| You are a little loser. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You're rich little punts wearing fucking frilly shorts. | ||
| So he complains a little bit about Kamala here. | ||
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| And I think that... | ||
| He accidentally overshadows his racism with misogyny. | ||
| Oh, nice! | ||
| To the point where you might forget that he was being racist to begin with. | ||
| Good, good. | ||
| The Democratic Party machine, and notice I'm not beating up on Kamala Harris, who's just a hapless victim who happened to be there in the right color, so they grabbed her. | ||
| Tim Walz, they needed some, you know, whatever Tim Walz is. | ||
| They needed a weak man, because it is the party of weak men and unhappy women. | ||
| One of which leads to the other, by the way. | ||
| Where you find weak men, you will inevitably find unhappy women. | ||
| Sorry, and they make my wife purpose They weaken the men to drive the women insane to have the most consistent voting bloc ever in the history of politics unhappy women made unhappy by weak men Amen. | ||
| But it could be anybody. | ||
| So in less than a minute, Tucker said some pretty fucked up things that reveal how his brain works in upsetting ways. | ||
| First off, he said that Harris was chosen because she's the right color, which he moved past into misogyny so fast you might not have remembered. | ||
| That's insanely fucked up and kind of reveals that he thinks that anyone who could possibly be considered for positions of power who aren't white don't really deserve that consideration. | ||
| Then he starts complaining about Tim Walz, who's apparently a weak man. | ||
| I'm not sure exactly what this is based on, but if we just follow the train of thought, this is the Democratic ticket because Harris is an unhappy woman who's the right color and Walz is a weak man. | ||
| This leads into Tucker expounding on how Democrats are weak men and unhappy women, and one creates the other. | ||
| If you're a weak man, which is not very specifically defined here, you'll make the women around you unhappy because secretly there's nothing a woman likes more than a man who doesn't respect her as a person. | ||
| These are the thoughts of a very normal person on stage, reassuring this audience that they are the normal ones. | ||
| I just, but I mean, to be clear though, that's Bible shit. | ||
| He's doing Bible stuff. | ||
| That's what most people believe. | ||
| Most people believe, most people wind up believing some version of the like, oh, the man should be the head of the household stuff. | ||
| And the people who, you know. | ||
| That's where that comes from. | ||
| He's weaponizing it. | ||
| But, I mean, that is not a weird belief for a lot of people. | ||
| It's a weird belief to try and legislate by. | ||
| It is. | ||
| I mean, you know, that's kind of how we got where we are, though. | ||
| Yeah, maybe. | ||
| Too many people have that weird belief and share it, and to the detriment of things that they may otherwise believe are good. | ||
| Well, I think that having the belief is not necessarily the problem. | ||
| It's imposing that belief into public spaces. | ||
| And I think that you could have... | ||
| A number of people who have misogynistic personal views who could, in theory, legislate decently if they could be self-aware and not engage in that. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's hypothetical. | ||
| Look, the point is, we're coming to the end of this speech. | ||
| And I don't think, no matter what they poll two weeks from now, 13 days from now, I don't think they can get away with standing up and being like, on MSNBC. | ||
| No, actually, Kamala Harris is historically popular, it turns out. | ||
| A woman who's never had a job who can't even pronounce her own first name consistently. | ||
| That's how false she is. | ||
| Some woman who grew up in Montreal, Canada, is lecturing me about America. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't think they can do that. | ||
| Because I don't think people are going to sit back and take it. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| It's enough. | ||
| It's enough. | ||
| That's the point at which you say no. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I put up with this crap for a long time. | ||
| I indulge your little fantasy. | ||
| It's like when your teenage girl becomes a vegetarian and you're like, okay, that's fine. | ||
| No, I totally understand. | ||
| You're like, it's a phase. | ||
| But if that phase goes on for nine years and includes destroying your major cities and allowing your country to be invaded by millions of foreigners with identities you don't know and whose purpose in this country is unclear, by the way, why shouldn't we feel threatened by that? | ||
| If they go out of their way to crush families, to make it impossible for your kids to buy a house, getting involved in the sex lives of your children, which they are, if they do all of that, they need to lose. | ||
| And at the end of all of it, when they tell you they've won, no. | ||
| You can look them straight in the face and say, I'm sorry, dad's home, and he's pissed. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| So Tucker ended the speech with a build-up to and repetition of the dad's home and he's pissed line, which really should signal that it's one of the important points he's trying to make. | ||
| And also, I believe if you're following his train of thought, that's your response if Harris wins the election, is no, fuck you, dad's home. | ||
| I mean, based on what he said, that's your response? | ||
| Should anybody win the election? | ||
| I guess. | ||
| But you're celebrating the dad's home if Trump wins. | ||
| I guess. | ||
| So it feels to me like there are two general theses. | ||
| One, the dad's home and he's mad, and that you should feel normal. | ||
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Cool. | |
| So there was a part of me that considered not even bothering with covering this speech, because there's a bit of it that's clearly some trolling for attention. | ||
| I think he was hoping that news outlets would call him a Nazi for the triumph of the human spirit stuff, and I'm sure he knew that people were going to talk about the spanking stuff, so I would have just left it alone. | ||
| But then there was more Tucker news this week, and I couldn't resist folding this all into one together. | ||
| So here was this guy who had given this big speech at Turning Point USA's rally about how normal he is. | ||
| Spank me, Daddy. | ||
| Spank me. | ||
| Daddy, Daddy spank me. | ||
| All of these people are so normal. | ||
| Daddy's home and he's going to give me a spanking. | ||
| So what should come out just a few days later? | ||
| How about a video of Tucker Carlson talking about the time he was attacked by a demon? | ||
| I'm sorry, what? | ||
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Do you think the presence of evil is kick-starting people to wonder about the good? | |
| That's what happened to me. | ||
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That's what happened to you? | |
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I had a direct experience with it. | ||
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In the milieu of journalism? | |
| Nope. | ||
| In my bed at night, and I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and four dogs in the bed and mauled. | ||
| Physically mauled. | ||
| No. | ||
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In a spiritual attack by a demon? | |
| Yeah, by a demon. | ||
| Or by something unseen that left. | ||
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Is that right? | |
| Claw marks on my sides. | ||
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So he left physical marks. | |
| Oh, they're still there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| So if it wasn't clear before, it's now super obvious to me that Tucker Carlson is the most interesting and craven person in the entire media sphere. | ||
| He's eclipsed any possible competition, and just before the election, a clip begins circulating of him walking in the woods, talking to a guy about how he was attacked by a literal demon. | ||
| Or at least that's the only conclusion he's decided to accept about this experience that he's had. | ||
| This isn't news to us, per se. | ||
| Alex has said many times on air that Tucker got attacked by a demon, but he always tried to do so in a way that was pretending to protect the fact that Tucker told him this in confidence. | ||
| It's been super clear that this was rooted in something that he'd told Alex, but it wasn't clear to me how much of this was lost in translation and how much of it was just Tucker being an opportunist and telling Alex what Alex wants to hear. | ||
| If I'm to take anything he says in this clip seriously, Tucker Carlson is a lunatic zealot of the I reserve that to be a possible conclusion we come to, but I think it's also possible as an explanation for him coming out and discussing this demon attack. | ||
| He knows that he's past the event horizon, and there's no escaping the black hole that is this brand that he's created for himself. | ||
| There's no sense in trying to maintain some air of respectability to the mainstream. | ||
| It's just time to pack it in and become the prophet he's been pretending to not want to be. | ||
| He's now a religious figure in the same way that Alex is a religious figure and they've made Trump a religious figure. | ||
| If anything they say is to be believed, then these dudes, Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson, these two shithead right-wing talk show blowhards, require a new book of the Bible to be written. | ||
| They're figures on the scale of Paul, in terms of their importance to the conception of religious history, and I think it's kind of cowardly of them not to demand a new book. | ||
| If you want to play Messiah games, don't give me this half-measure shit. | ||
| Do it. | ||
| Change the religion. | ||
| Anyway, this clip of Tucker was going around, but I didn't see a lot of context to it. | ||
| Like, many people were making jokes about how it must be a deep fake, because there's no way that Tucker would say this kind of shit. | ||
| He's such an idiot. | ||
| But it is real. | ||
| And it's, in fact, part of a publicity campaign for a new documentary film called Christianities, which explores the idea that there are wholly different Christianities that are forming in the world that share very little overlap with one another. | ||
| I think it's a fair premise, and I would agree that there's a difference between Christianity and fundamentalist Christianity in the same way that there's a difference between any religion and its fundamentalist counterpart. | ||
| So I have this thin agreement with the premise of the film without having seen it, but there's one thing that isn't really brought up in this clip, which made me curious, which is, who's this guy that Tucker's talking to? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They're out in the woods, he's talking to some guy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So this is a guy named John Hears, and he doesn't seem to be all that interesting. | ||
| To be perfectly honest with you. | ||
| If you watch the full trailer of the film, you kind of come away with the impression that he's a normal guy with some questions, he's a storyteller, and he wants to explore what the word Christian means to different people. | ||
| However, if you do watch this trailer, you'll notice that the film is put out by Holy Wisdom Films, which doesn't seem like a very impartial kind of company name for a project like this. | ||
| A little different. | ||
| Holy Wisdom Films is a company that was created specifically for the sake of producing this documentary. | ||
| And it's run by an Orthodox priest, coincidentally named Father Peter Hears. | ||
| He's John Hears, the host of the documentary's brother. | ||
| I think the idea of someone making a sincere, open-minded documentary about how the definition of what makes someone a Christian is an interesting idea. | ||
| It's a subject that has a lot of relevance in the world today, so I don't begrudge the concept, but I think that this particular documentary looks a little shady. | ||
| Looks like they're trying to present it as some kind of open-minded exploration of the subject, but it's actually a thinly-veiled piece of fringe, extreme right-wing orthodox theology. | ||
| I suspect that because Peter Hears, the producer of the film and the brother of the host, is a major and controversial figure in the Orthodox world. | ||
| One of the main selling points of the Orthodox Church is that they claim to follow the traditions rigidly. | ||
| There are rules and structures that are followed, and by following them exactly, they claim that they've been able to maintain the same faith from the time of Christ. | ||
| Since that's the premise, it's very weird that Father Peter Hears doesn't have a bishop over him, which every other person in his position in the Orthodox Church does. | ||
| That's strange, and should probably be a deal-breaker for being a leader in the whole tradition-based community. | ||
| So he seems a little bit sketchy to me, but I'm not... | ||
| What is important now is that he's the producer of this documentary where Tucker talks to his brother about how he was attacked by demons. | ||
| This is in the context of a film that's purporting to be an exploration of what it means to be a Christian. | ||
| Incidentally, Peter has maintained a YouTube channel where he's posted videos about the Orthodox Church for at least the past seven years. | ||
| And if you watch a couple of these videos... | ||
| It should be super clear that he would never produce a film that asks the question, what does it mean to be a Christian? | ||
| He would produce a film hosted by his brother with a pretty specific answer to that question that he's trying to push. | ||
| In fact, both of the brothers have been pretty clear in certain circles that this movie is their attempt to convert people to the Orthodox Church. | ||
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But you know how some souls have contour, and if we could smell them, they have a certain smell, they have a certain sound. | |
| We're trying to illuminate the soul of Christ on earth, of Christ's body on earth, and through film. | ||
| Now, we can't do it because it's not sacramental in the sense we're not offering it through the church, but we're offering a way to feel and sense that which is real without making it a polemic. | ||
| Does that make sense? | ||
| You know, people talk about how do you come... | ||
| And convert to Christ, to his body, to become a true Christian. | ||
| That process is not mainly, although it's not irrational, it's not mainly rational. | ||
| In other words, it's not a rationalistic process. | ||
| It's not a two-in-two-is-four process, right? | ||
| If it's true, it's going to be heartfelt. | ||
| It's going to be not sentimental, but not logical, but supra. | ||
| Logical. | ||
| It's going to be intuitive, if you want to use that word. | ||
| It's going to be an encounter. | ||
| So they'll say stuff like that in an interview with an Orthodox podcaster, but when they release the trailer for the film, it sounds more like this, which doesn't quite sound the same. | ||
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What is a Christian? | |
| I kind of do this for a living. | ||
| My name's John Hears. | ||
| And this is our restaurant. | ||
| And in this restaurant, we throw this Georgian Supra. | ||
| It's a dinner. | ||
| And it elicits all these toasts and ideas and emotions. | ||
| And inevitably the question comes up, what is a Christian? | ||
| An evangelist, a missionary, a martyr, a healer, a saint. | ||
| What is the church, a denomination, a building, an invisible body? | ||
| What's Christianity? | ||
| A religion, a way of life, a revolutionary political movement. | ||
| There's a cultural moment happening right now where the old Christianity has died in many people's hearts. | ||
| What you see is not a single Christianity, but Christianity. | ||
| You see a divided faith, divided by politics, by belief, by whatever. | ||
| Are you driving by a museum or a social club or something else? | ||
| What's inside all those buildings? | ||
| Is there something for you there? | ||
| Where is God? | ||
| And if you knew where he was, would you want to go? | ||
| Is there a Christianity that's growing or dare I ask you? | ||
| We're going to interview people from all over the world, and as we do... | ||
| I want to go on a journey with you guys and figure it out. | ||
| Our goal is to investigate how people through the millennia and right now how they see Christianity. | ||
| Let's figure out what's going on with all of these Christianities. | ||
| Let's figure out what's going on with all of these Christianities. | ||
| So that trailer might lead you to think that this was a sincere exploration of various forms of Christianity, not the brother of a fringe Orthodox priest pretending to be a neutral truth seeker in order to sell you on Orthodoxy being the only true Christianity. | ||
| Do you think they're going to go through this and find like, oh, you know what, Baptists are pretty cool too? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I think, yeah, it's probably. | ||
| I think the Unitarian Church is the one. | ||
| It's such a fraud, which only becomes more clear when you realize that Tucker is being interviewed in this documentary, fully aware of who's making it and why. | ||
| You know this because the film is directed by Scooter Downey, a dude who produced and worked for Tucker Carlson's show from 2021 to 2023. | ||
| The surface story here is that Tucker's a fucking lunatic who believes he was attacked in the night by a demon, but the actual story is a little bit worse. | ||
| Whether he believes it or not, Tucker is allowing this documentary to tell his story of being attacked by a demon as part of the media blitz for their film, which is a disingenuous and manipulative charade of exploring Christianity in service of promoting the Orthodox Church. | ||
| But back to the Tucker story. | ||
| He was attacked by a demon with claws while he was in bed with four dogs. | ||
| These marks, that don't get shown in the clip, Yeah. | ||
| And it can't have been a superficial cut, which is also supported by this being called a mauling. | ||
| This would have to be a really serious attack. | ||
| He would have ended up in the hospital for sure after something like this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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This is ridiculous. | |
| Yeah, you know... | ||
| One thing I think that is at the root of all the conversations happening right now between disinformation researchers and how useless they are, the conversation that they're not having is the most obvious one, which is that what they are doing is not actually addressing what is being talked about. | ||
| They are not dealing with religion. | ||
| Because there's no way for them to deal with religion. | ||
| It's not possible. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because you'll... | ||
| Piss people off. | ||
| So, until religion is dealt with in an adult way, it's just not gonna matter what people have to say about, oh, I can prove this isn't real. | ||
| Yeah, but Jesus says it is, so you lose. | ||
| You're gonna lose. | ||
| You lose to Jesus. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| But... | ||
| You know, quote-unquote, as you're putting it, dealing with religion isn't eliminating religion. | ||
| However anybody wants to deal with it, wherein we have to... | ||
| Right, but you understand how that's going to sound like. | ||
| I'm fine with that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| However anybody wants to deal with it is going to have to be dealt with. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, we're just going to continue believing false things all the time. | ||
| What do you suggest? | ||
| If you believe in a religion, you have to adhere to the book. | ||
| And if you don't adhere to the book, you don't say you believe in the religion. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Okay, so you require essentially real fundamentalist, literal interpretations of holy texts. | ||
| I don't require anything. | ||
| Well... | ||
| I don't want anything to do with it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But if you want to be religious... | ||
| But you're putting forth this standard that you're going to require of religious people. | ||
| Yes, it's your standard. | ||
| You're the one who wrote the book. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because that's what you say. | ||
| But why do you have, you know, some things are reinterpreted. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Even the book itself is based on... | ||
| Well, then write your own book. | ||
| Write your own book and do a new one and then adhere to that one. | ||
| Well, I mean, I definitely think that that's what Alex and Tucker need to do based on what they're up to. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| If you don't believe in Christianity, don't make a documentary about Christianity. | ||
| Write your own book. | ||
| I am not, I'm not sure exactly how we, how we... | ||
| Get to this place. | ||
| And I don't know if the question that you're asking is actually the most important question we need to answer. | ||
| I think that in this sort of old-fashioned-y understanding of the separation of church and state, I think we can get to a point where we'll get closer to that. | ||
| Don't legislate based on your religious shit. | ||
| That's your business. | ||
| It's not to be imposed on everyone else. | ||
| Yeah, but part of a lot of people's religious shit is imposing it upon everybody else. | ||
| So their business in that sense is they are required, they're called by God to impose it upon you. | ||
| That's just how it's gonna go, you know? | ||
| And it's fine. | ||
| If that's how everybody wants it to be. | ||
| But this is the result. | ||
| Tucker's rally is not a political rally. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| It is a religious revival. | ||
| So what good is disinformation going to do against a religious revival? | ||
| You know? | ||
| I think that you can still make inroads in terms of providing information to folks who can hear it. | ||
| And then I think that, honestly, dealing with it as it is, is a function of that disinformation monitoring and shit. | ||
| You know, dealing with the reality and the descriptive nature of this, that this is a religious phenomenon that is happening. | ||
| I think that that's part of the responsibility. | ||
| Sure! | ||
| I agree! | ||
| So, Tucker got attacked by a demon, though. | ||
| Do you want to hear more about that? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| All right, here's more from the trailer. | ||
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So you left physical marks? | |
| Oh, they're still there. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| A year and a half ago. | ||
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Was your wife terrified? | |
| I know you were. | ||
| I wasn't. | ||
| I was totally confused. | ||
| I woke up and I couldn't breathe and I thought I was going to suffocate and I walked around outside. | ||
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What? | |
| And I walked in and my wife and dogs had not woken up and they're very light sleepers. | ||
| And then I had these terrible pains on my ribcage and on my shoulder. | ||
| And I was just in my boxer shorts, and I went and flipped on the light in the bathroom, and I had four claw marks on either side underneath my arms and on my left shoulder, and they were bleeding. | ||
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Wait, they were bleeding? | |
| They were bleeding, yeah. | ||
| They were actual claw marks. | ||
| And I sleep on my side, so I wasn't clawing myself. | ||
| I don't have long nails. | ||
| And they didn't fit my hands anyway, but yeah. | ||
| That happened. | ||
| So this story is full of holes. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| If this supposed claw mark and the claw marks that were on his body were bleeding, then they would have to be deep enough cuts to... | ||
| He's saying that they're deep enough cuts to still be present 18 months later. | ||
| He would have been bleeding so much. | ||
| He wouldn't have just had some kind of vague night terror, wander around a little bit and then realize, oh, what's this? | ||
| I'm bleeding. | ||
| This would be a life-threatening injury. | ||
| Or maybe Tucker's a bit of a bullshitter and he wants to impress this orthodox friend of his. | ||
| We'll promote his religious propaganda masquerading as a documentary. | ||
| Some might suggest that maybe Tucker had a nightmare, and maybe one of the four dogs that were in bed with him clawed him at some point, and he had a scratch from that, which he's now exaggerating out into this stupid story because he's very aware of how extremely religious his brand has gotten. | ||
| I think that's maybe Occam's razor telling me... | ||
| Might have a... | ||
| I mean, that's presuming there needs to be a kernel of truth. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Why even bother with a kernel of truth? | ||
| Make it up! | ||
| I bled out from my armpits from a demon fighting! | ||
| And then I was revived by... | ||
| God himself, goddammit! | ||
| I would prefer that story. | ||
| I would love that story. | ||
| I'll take that. | ||
| I would honestly prefer that because it has less places where logic can come into it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's too many spots where it's like, hold on a second here. | ||
| Hey now, stop it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's... | ||
| And he's doing it to this person. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And then he's doing it to us through this person. | ||
| This person credulously believes this bullshit. | ||
| So we're not even allowed to go... | ||
| Before you even say another lying word out of your... | ||
| Your dumb fuck mouth. | ||
| This guy who's talking to him is thrilled because he's got Tucker Carlson telling this sensational-ass story that's going to help him get the rest of the funding he needs to finish this documentary. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, like, he's pumped. | ||
| It is the most... | ||
| It is the wealthiest minutes of his life. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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Yep. | |
| So, Tucker talks a little bit more about this, and he woke up the next morning, and he thought it was a dream. | ||
| So, I'm not from a world where things like that happen. | ||
| I never heard of anything like that happening before. | ||
| I had no idea what that was. | ||
| I knew it was spiritual immediately. | ||
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You did? | |
| Okay, that was going to be my question. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, I don't understand to this day. | ||
| I'm not going to put it... | ||
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You didn't try to refute the spiritual part in your own mind. | |
| You went right into the idea. | ||
| Well, it didn't make any sense, and it doesn't now. | ||
| So, but I'm not from a, what do they call it, faith tradition that talks about things like that or even acknowledges their existence. | ||
| Like, there's nothing like that. | ||
| I've never heard anybody say anything like that in my whole life. | ||
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What was the next day like? | |
| Well, the next morning I woke up and I thought, that was the weirdest dream I've ever had. | ||
| And then I saw blood on my sheets and I realized that was not a dream at all. | ||
| I called my assistant. | ||
| It was like the only evangelical... | ||
| I lost my virginity! | ||
| ...to call with something bizarre like that, totally bizarre like that. | ||
| And she said, oh, yeah, no, no, that happens. | ||
| Yeah, people are attacked in their bed by demons. | ||
| Now, what? | ||
| What are you even talking about? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, I mean, I'm not leaving anything out. | ||
| So one thing that's suspiciously absent from this story, of which Tucker has just said he's leaving nothing out, is him talking to a doctor or getting his mauling wounds tended to. | ||
| This story makes no sense at all. | ||
| He woke up in pain in the middle of the night, wandered around, and then he saw that he had multiple big claw marks on his body which were bleeding. | ||
| His wife and dogs have now woken up and there's blood in his bed, but he just decides, oh well, I guess I'll go back to sleep. | ||
| Nothing that he's experiencing seems like an emergency to him, which is nuts. | ||
| Despite the severe pain he's in, he apparently has no problem just getting back into bed like nothing happened. | ||
| So he wakes up the next morning, by which point you'd assume that he would have bled a shitload more into the bed. | ||
| He would be covered in blood. | ||
| His wife would be covered in blood. | ||
| That bed was the site of a mauling in the night, but Tucker somehow wakes up and thinks to himself, well, maybe that was a dream. | ||
| Despite the situation he must have been in, where he has open wounds all over his torso, is in terrible pain, his wife has been sleeping in a bloody bed, his dogs are probably terrified, he's still able to think the demon part was just a dream. | ||
| This is fucking insane, and at very least, we're implying that this demon has the powers of, like, Ambien and emergency first aid that it's carrying out on him. | ||
| So he realizes that a demon attacked him in the night, and instead of calling a doctor to deal with his very real mauling wounds, Tucker calls his assistant because they're an evangelical Christian who might understand all the demon stuff. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| No, that's reasonable. | ||
| And I don't believe that anyone would act like this. | ||
| At least not anyone with the ability to care for their own basic needs. | ||
| Like, Tucker knows that when he's hungry, he needs to eat food. | ||
| He gets that basic dynamic, so I assume that he knows that if he has a big bleeding claw wound, they're gonna keep bleeding or get infected if he doesn't get treatment. | ||
| You'd think. | ||
| This has all the hallmarks to me of just, like, a very super embellished story. | ||
| Like, I have this cat that sleeps on my bed sometimes. | ||
| You might have heard of her, Celine. | ||
| In the night, sometimes she's scratched me, and I've woken up with wounds. | ||
| It's less common than when I first got her, but it does still happen sporadically. | ||
| And I don't always remember these scratches happening in the night because I'm still half asleep, and I just wake up and I have a cut. | ||
| I could see this kind of thing happening to Tucker, and because he's a shithead opportunist who knew that the GOP is rapidly becoming a fundamentalist, esoteric, demon-hunting Christian party, he saw how he could turn this into a story about a demon! | ||
| Make some money off this! | ||
| I can believe a number of elements of this story have some connection to reality, but what I cannot believe is that Tucker was attacked by a demon, or even that he sincerely thinks that he was attacked by a demon. | ||
| Part of the reason that I don't believe that he believes that this story is because it's being told in a gospel church anecdote kind of way, where the elements of the story are meant to prop up the underlying unbelievable premise of the story while not making any sense from a motivation standpoint. | ||
| Tucker is supposed to have been a rationalist with no faith tradition that believes in demons attacking you in the night, and I'm supposed to believe that he didn't respond to the signs of a demon attacking him in the night in the way that a rationalist... | ||
| Why did he respond like an evangelical would? | ||
| He knew that it was spiritual immediately. | ||
| He told this guy that. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense if he entered the experience of the mindset that he's pretending he had. | ||
| But the response sounds good to an evangelical writing a story about an imaginary rationalist version of themselves. | ||
| I'm supposed to believe that cynical-ass Tucker wakes up in severe pain, wanders around the house, then sees that he's bleeding from multiple claw marks, and his first reaction isn't to check on his kids or his wife? | ||
| He doesn't call the police? | ||
| His wife might have been stabbed by somebody in the night if he's got blood on him? | ||
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What the fuck? | |
| He doesn't even know if she's alive. | ||
| Instead, he goes back to bed? | ||
| It doesn't make sense. | ||
| Further, why didn't the demon kill him? | ||
| Can demons only go so far with their cuts, like hurting you enough to give you a fun story, but not enough so you can't go back to sleep? | ||
| Did the demons know that Tucker is a media personality, so they kept the attack isolated to parts of his body that are always covered by shirts? | ||
| If this is some kind of spiritual war, shouldn't the demons have tried again? | ||
| Like, Tucker's supposed to be one of the most dangerous people on his side of the spiritual war, so... | ||
| Kind of implies to me that maybe this is as bad as demons can do. | ||
| Like, if they go out of their way to materialize into our reality to attack Tucker Carlson and this is all they've got, I'm not worried about demons. | ||
| I'm not hearing a personal stake in it for the demon. | ||
| That's what I don't understand. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Like, are we... | ||
| Is the assumption... | ||
| Because I feel like the assumption is that Tucker is attacked by a demon because he's Tucker. | ||
| He's just a thing that gets attacked by demons. | ||
| He's too much of a... | ||
| He's like a general on their side of the spiritual war. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So it's like he should always be under threat from a demon attack. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| They're always trying to get him. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I don't understand why this one, then, and then an end. | ||
| And then a go home? | ||
| Well, we don't get an answer to this from Tucker, but we will later from Alex. | ||
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Okay. | |
| So we can put a pin in that for a second. | ||
| All right. | ||
| But I agree with you that from just a premise standpoint, this is really dumb. | ||
| You're saying, what's the motivation of the demon? | ||
| Is it like, you better shut your mouth? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I'll take any. | ||
| I don't need a good one. | ||
| Is the demon trying to make you not... | ||
| Do your show, or... | ||
| Yeah, that makes sense. | ||
| Because it failed. | ||
| But that'd be fine, at the very least. | ||
| Is the demon fired? | ||
| Like, did the demon only mean to attack you a little bit to scare you? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It's so dumb. | ||
| It doesn't make any sense. | ||
| It is so fun watching, because Tucker is the thing that I've noticed from listening to Tucker now. | ||
| He knows exactly who he's lying to. | ||
| And he goes as far as he can. | ||
| He really does. | ||
| I've had that feeling of like, are you fucking with me? | ||
| And he is! | ||
| He's fucking with them! | ||
| He's going to the exact point where he knows I can say the most ridiculous shit to you and you won't even bat an eyelash. | ||
| Yeah, that's kind of some of the difference between Elon and Tucker. | ||
| There's a great disdain for the audience. | ||
| And they dance around in it. | ||
| There's a shamelessness about their, like, I'm getting away with this shit, you guys have no fucking idea. | ||
| And as much as Alex does also have some of that energy... | ||
| I do think he feels bad. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| He constantly feels bad. | ||
| He doesn't feel like this. | ||
| No. | ||
| Whatever this is, if this could be described as a feeling or a vacuous emptiness that rivals space itself, then that is not what Alex feels. | ||
| There are some moments where Alex can attain that, but a lot of the time he kind of seems like not joyful. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, and it makes me understand better like... | ||
| When you get that he knows who he's lying to, then it makes more sense whenever you know, like, oh, well, in conversations that aren't around this with other people, he lies to them differently. | ||
| It's okay. | ||
| He's not believing this or that. | ||
| He's just lying to everyone to a certain degree. | ||
| Yeah, and obviously there is some sort of a center somewhere that is like a... | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Somewhere between lowercase and uppercase T truth. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| Well, I mean, I feel like there has to be, but it's not really important to try and figure out what it is. | ||
| You know, it's kind of a moot point. | ||
| Whether it is there or isn't is less important than getting rid of his ass. | ||
| He could believe all this shit or not. | ||
| It does not matter. | ||
| Nope. | ||
| Anyway, he doesn't understand what happened, his demon. | ||
| So, I mean, I'm not leaving anything out, and I'm not pretending to understand that I can only say what happened to me, and that did happen to me, and then I was seized with this very intense desire to read the Bible. | ||
| Which I then started without any study aids or anything. | ||
| I bought a Bible that didn't have any. | ||
| I'm not interested in editorializing in the Bible. | ||
| I just want to read it and see what's in there myself. | ||
| I have very low levels of trust for Christian pastors, most of whom I'm just not a fan at all. | ||
| And sorry to say that, but that's how I feel. | ||
| And so I just didn't. | ||
| I don't want to hear other people's opinions. | ||
| I just want to see what's in there. | ||
| So I spent a year and a half reading it, and then I started rereading it. | ||
| And it was just a transformative experience. | ||
| Then I decided to be part of this orthodox propaganda documentary. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's really fun and cute to say that you don't pretend to understand something, but the reality here is that Tucker's not trying to understand anything. | ||
| Tucker clearly isn't saying, like, I've considered alternative explanations and the only thing I can not exclude is demons. | ||
| But he wants people to think that that's what he's saying. | ||
| Because that's the only rational way to say, I was attacked in the night by a demon. | ||
| If you say, look, it can't fucking possibly be the case, but here is one alternative explanation. | ||
| Here's another. | ||
| And the reasons that these can't be the case. | ||
| You have to say that you recognize that what you're doing is completely irrational, but you've entertained every other possibility. | ||
| Tucker wants to be treated like he's that kind of a person, because the reality is that... | ||
| He's a lunatic, but he wants to be respected and taken seriously, so this is the path he's cut. | ||
| Just imagine if some Democratic pundit, let's say the most popular Democratic pundit in the world, came out and said that their policy preferences and their support for the presidential candidate they had was predicated on something like, a ghost told me this. | ||
| That's about how seriously you should take anything Tucker's saying. | ||
| I don't believe this demon bullshit for a second, but I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting into some religious literature. | ||
| I'm not going to shit on Tucker for reading the Bible, but I do think that he's kind of stupid and that his oppositional defiance is getting in his own way. | ||
| He claims that he just read the Bible and re-read it because he wanted to see what was in there. | ||
| He didn't want to take someone else's word for it, so he didn't listen to anyone's interpretation. | ||
| I get that motivation, you know, to have your own perspective, but for that to work, you have to be smart enough to understand what you're reading. | ||
| When I saw him in Reading Pennsylvania, Tucker cited a passage from the Bible about how you know a tree by its fruits. | ||
| He thought that meant that a lemon tree makes lemons, so by the fruit produced, you can categorize the tree. | ||
| It's actually very clear from the context that knowing a tree by its fruit means that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. | ||
| It's about the health of the tree being apparent by the fruit it bears. | ||
| This is super elementary Jesus stuff, and yet Tucker didn't understand that very basic concept, so I'm not sure I trust him to read the Bible on his own and reread it and get anything out of it. | ||
| I'm honestly not convinced at all that he's read the Bible, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he just memorized some verses that he saw in memes that he doesn't understand. | ||
| Great. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Good basis for your spirituality. | ||
| Yeah, that sounds about right. | ||
| I had a night terror that I'm embellishing into a demon attack, and then I skimmed some Bible memes. | ||
| Go fuck yourself. | ||
| I feel like Elijah, Dan. | ||
| I feel like Elijah because here's what I'll say. | ||
| Imagine that Tucker Carlson was a sacrifice to Baal. | ||
| Right? | ||
| Now all these priests around here, let's call them Tucker's mouth. | ||
| Pouring gasoline on this altar to Baal, trying to make it start on fire on its own by, let's say, blasphemy of a highest order beyond all reckoning, right? | ||
| And still he won't light on fire. | ||
| So I have proven that your god is not real, Tucker, because if he was, you'd be on fire. | ||
| It's that kind of thing that I hate him for, like, what he represents in terms of just the secular world and, like... | ||
| The damage that this mentality that he perpetuates does. | ||
| But if I were religious, I feel like I would hate him more. | ||
| You should? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You should? | ||
| I feel like I would be furious at this kind of a behavior. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So anyway, I just think he sucks. | ||
| And he ends this little piece of the documentary that was released on a bit of a defensive note. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And it was just a transformative experience for me, but I'm not. | ||
| You know, holding myself out as someone from whom you could get theological advice because I'm not. | ||
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Sure, of course. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't understand any of it. | ||
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Do you think God allowed the demon? | |
| I have no idea what happened. | ||
| All I know is I was dead asleep with my wife and dogs, and I woke up with claw marks on my ribcage underneath my arms, and it didn't even make sense. | ||
| My arms would... | ||
| Anyway, whatever. | ||
| I'm not... | ||
| No one has to believe me. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| But that happened to me, and so I just was like, wow, that... | ||
| That's real. | ||
| Whatever that is, I'm not even sure what it is. | ||
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It's very real. | |
| And so then that presence of that evil launches something. | ||
| So for someone who really doesn't care if I believe his very true story, Tucker seems pretty insistent on reminding me that the story is real and it doesn't matter if I believe it. | ||
| And here's the deal. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| And there's no part of me that believes that Tucker believes it. | ||
| But I also don't care if it happened or not. | ||
| I can't imagine anything I care less about. | ||
| If Tucker is lying, then literally everything I already believe stays the same. | ||
| He's a bullshit artist scamming people with scary stories that they want to hear. | ||
| But if Tucker is telling the truth and his interpretation of all this is correct... | ||
| I'm not interested. | ||
| In that case, we live in a world where there are demons who can hurt you a little bit, but not that much, and they waste their time fucking with Tucker Carlson for unclear reasons. | ||
| Like, why did they choose to attack him at that point in time? | ||
| Seems weird. | ||
| I'm not worried about these demons. | ||
| Now, I would be remiss if I didn't point out that this was recorded in October of this year, and a year and a half ago is when this demon attack, he's saying it happened. | ||
| Also happens to be when he was fired from Fox News in the fallout from that Dominion lawsuit where they lost $787.5 million. | ||
| Did the demon happen to mention Dominion, you think? | ||
| I'm sure that timing's a coincidence, right? | ||
| I mean, it has to be. | ||
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It is odd. | |
| About a year and a half ago, from this point, Tucker got fired from Fox News, and along with that... | ||
| He lost the last time he would ever be on a major network or work for a legitimate outlet. | ||
| He'd spent his previous years on air burning bridges and living high on the hog with his enviable ratings. | ||
| But in chasing those ratings, he'd done some shows that got the company sued, and they didn't want to keep him around anymore, so he got humbled. | ||
| He could try to get another TV job, but where? | ||
| Any of the other Trump world networks would be a huge downgrade, and going to a place like Daily Wire would be too. | ||
| That would be subordinating yourself to, like, Ben Shapiro. | ||
| No good. | ||
| Tucker had to strike out on his own, but if he did a Fox News-style show on Twitter or YouTube, who would even care? | ||
| The audience that he relied on with Fox wasn't the same audience that would support him in his new digital foray, so they needed to get a little bit looser with standards. | ||
| So you can see him start to court other fringe celebrities to boost his cachet, like Alex and Cat Turd. | ||
| You saw the messaging begin to drift more and more overtly toward this white identity, extreme right-wing Christian perspective. | ||
| Basically, Tucker needed to court a new audience once he was fired from Fox, and now that he has it, he's solidifying his place in it basically as a prophet. | ||
| This dramatic-ass story about a demon attack is supposed to be the explanation for why he's doing the shit he's doing now, but wasn't before. | ||
| In the real world, it's because Fox paid him a shitload of money and he didn't need to desperately chase this audience. | ||
| But now he has no choice. | ||
| What I'm saying is that all this is just rooted in Tucker not being able to handle being fired from Fox. | ||
| That inability to cope is now being retold as a demon attack that Tucker is telling a couple of orthodox zealots so they can market their conversion movie. | ||
| There's a lot going on here beyond just his stupid demon story. | ||
| It helps. | ||
| Yeah, it helps to have a transformative demon experience as opposed to I got fired. | ||
| Yeah, because I'm a big asshole. | ||
| I am no longer bound to the laws of the FCC is not quite as interesting as I am no longer bound to the laws of God and man for I am Demon Fighter Tucker! | ||
| Yeah, and the part, you know, the ugly truth of his... | ||
| Getting fired and the way that all happened is that like that closed the door on him pretty much working anywhere ever again. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Like no reputable person or outlet was probably if he got fired from fucking Fox. | ||
| We'll see what happens. | ||
| I don't trust any of these people anymore. | ||
| I don't either, but I can't imagine. | ||
| The amount he would ask as a price that he needed to be paid to be working somewhere mixed with how many people he'd probably pissed off during his time on Fox. | ||
| The liability of his behavior leading to and being a part of that lawsuit. | ||
| I just can't imagine any business being like, this is worth it. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would... | ||
| Okay. | ||
| While I see where you're coming from, I would still give you two to one odds that within the next ten years, CNN hires him because their ratings are low and they think it's going to be the next thing that they get their viewers for. | ||
| I would give you two to one odds on that. | ||
| I'll take that back. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| We'll work it out later. | ||
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Alright. | |
| So naturally, when I heard this, when I saw this video, the first thing I thought was... | ||
| Oh man, Alex is going to be pissed. | ||
| This whole demon thing is his domain. | ||
| And if anybody has been on the cutting edge of normalizing talking about fighting demons, it's Alex Jones. | ||
| If anyone should have gotten the interview where Tucker finally opens up about this shit, it's Alex. | ||
| And I think Tucker did him dirty. | ||
| Alex has put in the work. | ||
| Tucker pretends to respect him. | ||
| This should be an instance where Tucker does a sit-down special with Alex like the LeBron decision. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| A lot of times when news breaks and Alex has to rush out a video to make it about himself, I feel like it's desperate and it's a sad game he's playing. | ||
| But in this case, I feel different. | ||
| I expected him to put out a video to get on top of things and associate himself with the story, but I also felt like he deserved to. | ||
| This is a situation where Alex making the story about himself is actually him trying to correct the record because Tucker left him out. | ||
| In this case, I want to be totally clear. | ||
| Tucker fucked Alex. | ||
| This is an insane headline grabbing story where he's claiming he was attacked by a demon. | ||
| He 100% owes Alex that story. | ||
| He owes Alex an exclusive on that. | ||
| And for Alex to have to record a video responding to this clip being posted on Twitter while he's driving around in his car, that tells me he didn't get a heads up that this was gonna go live or anything. | ||
| And that's just rude of Tucker. | ||
| It's at a point where Alex needs a win. | ||
| He needs an exclusive, juicy story to help move traffic over to his new fake website. | ||
| Like, if I were Alex, I would be so pissed. | ||
| Yeah, this is bullshit. | ||
| Whatever happened behind the scenes, Alex learns that this clip is going around while he's driving somewhere. | ||
| about it from behind the wheel. | ||
| What is wrong with these people? | ||
| What is wrong with these people? | ||
| No, but here's the problem. | ||
| I agree with you big picture. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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But what's wrong with these people? | |
| Alex is the only person who's acting sanely here. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| That's, I mean, yes. | ||
| I deserve a cut of this, asshole. | ||
| I recognize that. | ||
| I recognize that. | ||
| We're in topsy-turvy world. | ||
| So here's Alex in his car. | ||
| All right. | ||
| All right. | ||
| I have never told this story or these stories, and I'm going to do it tomorrow on the Friday show. | ||
| But I was basically inspired to go ahead and do it by Tucker Carlson today. | ||
| So, a few years ago I knew about this when it first happened, and I'm not going to get into the details. | ||
| It only happened 18 months ago, right? | ||
| But then last year when I was at Tucker's house in Maine at dinner, We started talking about the paranormal and things. | ||
| And he told me about the two experiences he'd had in his life. | ||
| Once when he was a child with their house down in California in the backyard. | ||
| And then the other had happened about a year before, or a little less than a year before, when... | ||
| And he was a guy who wasn't sure God was real. | ||
| He was not like some guy who hears voices and sees stuff. | ||
| schizophrenic. | ||
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And he got attacked and she told the story about the demon in the bed, you know, scratching him and all the rest of it. | |
| And he got into more details. | ||
| It wasn't like, he wasn't scratching himself. | ||
| It was like from the front down to the back. | ||
| Couldn't do it himself with his hands. | ||
| So, it's fair that Alex hadn't told as many details of the story as we know now, but he's absolutely very obviously implied that Tucker told him he was attacked by a literal demon. | ||
| That's why we make jokes about Tucker being attacked by a demon, because we've heard Alex talk about it before. | ||
| I also like the way that Alex throws in that little detail about something happening in Tucker's backyard in California. | ||
| Almost as like a subtle wink to Tucker. | ||
| Like, please, tell that story on my show. | ||
| Give me something, you asshole. | ||
| Hey, first off, one, I know more than you, so I am still bigger than you, the audience. | ||
| And the people who think Tucker telling them that story is cool, I know more stories. | ||
| I'm still closer to Tucker, okay? | ||
| I think that Tucker, I mean, what Alex is reflecting is like... | ||
| I could have said way more. | ||
| And I didn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And you fucked me. | ||
| Yeah, he feels spurned. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think rightly so. | ||
| I mean, within the social structure that these fucking monsters have built together. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| This is fucked up. | ||
| Look, all this is so fucked up that any of this is reality. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I just think if I were in, like... | ||
| Let's say I'm on a Judge Judy type show and these people are coming to me with this story. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I would rule that Tucker owes Alex an apology. | ||
| Fair! | ||
| I think that's fair. | ||
| But you gotta understand, we're not in a Judge Judy justice world. | ||
| We're in a violent gang street operation where Alex is the triads or whatever, and Tucker's competing. | ||
| You can't trust other gangs. | ||
| Sure, you were selling heroin together yesterday, but now is today. | ||
| It's different. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Can't trust them. | ||
| And I don't know what... | ||
| To feel about this exactly, except I think it's all very funny. | ||
| It is very funny. | ||
| So, Tucker, you know, he had this demon attack, and he told Alex about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We get a little bit of background information here about how Alex blew Tucker's mind. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| I've never really told my stories. | ||
| I told him some. | ||
| And just to show him what I was talking about, I, uh... | ||
| I said, I think I know what happened to you. | ||
| Without him telling me anything else about why it happened. | ||
| Where it came from. | ||
| Who was behind it. | ||
| The demon, that is. | ||
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And... | |
| I nailed where it came from. | ||
| I don't know what that means. | ||
| And I'm 50 now, and I've learned... | ||
| To go with my spirit, my instinct, whatever you want to call it, Sixth Sense. | ||
| And as long as you just open up to it, when it calls, it's always dead on. | ||
| And I blew him away. | ||
| So that's why I said I'm the most exceptional person he's ever met, but I'm just one of the only person who's ever nailed stuff for him, loved by the skill. | ||
| But I, uh, just in my spirit, I knew how it happened. | ||
| And I said, recently, has anyone laid hands on you? | ||
| Oh, for God's sakes. | ||
| They just came to me, and he said, he got really freaked out. | ||
| He kind of got up. | ||
| He went to the bathroom, came back, and he said, I haven't even told my wife this. | ||
| I haven't told anybody. | ||
| He goes, just a week ago, I was on an airplane flying back here, and this happened a while back before that. | ||
| And they started clicking to him, was that when this happened? | ||
| So we were like simpatico. | ||
| We were like linked up. | ||
| But I'm going to tell more of the story tomorrow. | ||
| I need to call him and get permission. | ||
| Come on my show. | ||
| Come on my show. | ||
| It's out now. | ||
| In fact, he did tell me part of it not to never tell. | ||
| So I need to call him. | ||
| Yeah, you probably should have called him already. | ||
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Yep. | |
| This seems weird. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Who are you talking to now that is more important? | ||
| Than talking to him about a literal demon attack. | ||
| Is it more important that there's literal demons attacking Tucker Carlson that is a true thing that we all know now? | ||
| Or is it more important that you get out in front of the Tucker didn't tell me that he was going to drop this knowledge story? | ||
| According to the rules of the game, Tucker needed to involve Alex in this. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| And so, for Alex, priority number one is... | ||
| I gotta get whatever I can out of this, so I need to strike fast. | ||
| So him recording a video in the car, I would argue, actually is more important than calling him in terms of the game. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| But, human level, I do think you probably should have called him before you start talking about his backyard in California and how someone laid hands on him and put a demon in him. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're right insofar as that is that instinct that they all have. | ||
| That's the instinct that they all have. | ||
| They know the game, and that's why nobody else wins it, is because he found out and he knew he had to record a video. | ||
| About how he knows more. | ||
| He had to. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I doubt it took longer than 15 seconds to get from the, here is the start of that video, to I need to record something. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I can't even wait to get to a camera. | ||
| I can't even wait to get to the studio. | ||
| I don't think he watched the whole video. | ||
| Not at all! | ||
| Doubtful. | ||
| Not even close! | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So, it turns out, Alex was able to tell Tucker, someone put hands on you. | ||
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Sure. | |
| And this is how we ended up with a demon in you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And also, I've had an experience of my own. | ||
| Now, are you... | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And then I'll tell you my story. | ||
| And I've only had what they call a poltergeist. | ||
| It's the German name for it. | ||
| Angry spirit. | ||
| Because they throw people around and smash stuff. | ||
| Only had it happen once. | ||
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Clear blue, middle of the day. | |
| Growing up, I was like 11 years old. | ||
| Dislocated my shoulder. | ||
| I was a tough kid. | ||
| I didn't figure it out until later that day. | ||
| I'll tell the story tomorrow. | ||
| This is real, though. | ||
| I guess his crew probably put this out. | ||
| Not because he wanted to, but he taped so much stuff. | ||
| Because it is Halloween. | ||
| It's kind of seen as a time for that. | ||
| But this is no joke. | ||
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This is real. | |
| And I'm talking about joking. | ||
| You know what's funny? | ||
| Oh my god. | ||
| As I was going through all of this, it never once crossed my mind that this could be a Halloween thing. | ||
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Nope. | |
| Until Alex said it wasn't. | ||
| Not until then. | ||
| I still don't think it was, but it never even occurred to me that this could be a publicity stunt for Halloween. | ||
| Like, I guess Alex is worried that people might take it that way. | ||
| I mean, hey, why would anybody take this whole demon god stuff seriously if Tucker Carlson is saying it to a religious figure? | ||
| I take it so not... | ||
| I thought seriously that I didn't even think it was Halloween really. | ||
| I had no idea. | ||
| It didn't occur to me that Halloween would be involved. | ||
| So Alex got attacked by a poltergeist. | ||
| Ah, man. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, boy. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| You win. | ||
| All of you win. | ||
| It was totally real, too. | ||
| All of you get to say whatever you want. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| Alex had a poltergeist. | ||
| I was telling him about some of my experiences. | ||
| And he wanted me taping this podcast the next day to tell him. | ||
| And I said, I just, the public can't handle it. | ||
| And I said, why don't you tell him your story? | ||
| And he goes, you're right. | ||
| I get your point. | ||
| So I guess now is the time for him to tell it. | ||
| In fact, I got the feeling he was going to tell the story on air if I told my story. | ||
| Uh-oh. | ||
| You blew it. | ||
| It's one poltergeist. | ||
| You blew it! | ||
| That's what it was. | ||
| Poltergeist. | ||
| There's no doubt about it. | ||
| I'll tell the story tomorrow. | ||
| It was like real obvious. | ||
| Didn't say anything, but hmm. | ||
| I mean, maybe it's like Predator. | ||
| You know, like the movie Predator, where it's got a shield up. | ||
| It's an alien. | ||
| You can't see it. | ||
| I just know it threw me around like a rag doll. | ||
| Just clear blue. | ||
| Going totally not on drugs. | ||
| Nothing. | ||
| Didn't take drugs. | ||
| 11 years old in sports. | ||
| Going to get a Gatorade out of the refrigerator and freaking right out of a movie, man. | ||
| You know, so I'll tell the story tomorrow. | ||
| It's just time for all this to come out. | ||
| Everybody's... | ||
| You need to understand this is a fight between good versus evil, and this stuff's going on. | ||
| It's whether you call them demons, aliens, whatever the fuck they are, they're there. | ||
| All right, I'll blow you away tomorrow, and it's all real. | ||
| All my children. | ||
| Follow me on the new channel in case they shut down Rolex Jones InfoWars, which is close. | ||
| As you see, it's in the news. | ||
| We're trying, and that's at AJN, Alex Jones Network, at AJN Live. | ||
| It's really important you do that. | ||
| This feels like a person dealing with betrayal. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| Alex and Tucker seriously bonded over this shared experience, and Alex even blew him away by being able to explain how the demon probably got into him. | ||
| Alex felt like Tucker was encouraging him to tell his story on Tucker's show, presumably because it would make for better clickbait. | ||
| But then, when it's time for Tucker to tell his story about the demon attack, does he do it on his own show, even? | ||
| Or does he do it on Alex's show? | ||
| No, he does it in the woods with this John Heere guy. | ||
| Do they have a spiritual connection about this? | ||
| Did John Heere? | ||
| Did you help Tucker understand what he'd experienced? | ||
| No, fucking Alex did. | ||
| Honestly... | ||
| I think this is all very stupid, and a sign of how bad things are in our country right now, but I also can't separate myself from the drama of this. | ||
| Speaking in terms of the dynamics between these two people, it's almost undefensible what Tucker did to Alex in the big demon reveal. | ||
| It's so wrong. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I mean, you know, you have Alex on your show, and Alex says he's got a poltergeist, and you say, if you tell me your story, I'll tell you mine, and Alex says, the public's not ready for it? | ||
| I feel betrayed. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I feel betrayed. | ||
| Let's be clear. | ||
| What Alex said is that Tucker wanted him to tell the story, and Alex felt like he would tell his story if Alex told the poltergeist one. | ||
| That was not like an arrangement that they made or something. | ||
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Right, right, right. | |
| That was just a feeling that Alex got. | ||
| Alex can't, yeah, but Alex's feelings are sent from God. | ||
| So Alex's feelings are verifiable facts. | ||
| But there's a really good chance that had things gone slightly differently, Tucker would have wanted Alex to tell the poltergeist story, and he might not have told the demon. | ||
| I mean, that's possible if you don't believe that God tells Alex what his feelings should be, and they are always true. | ||
| So that means that Alex went against God's will when God gave him the feeling that... | ||
| Tucker would tell his story. | ||
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Well, no, no, no. | |
| So, in fact, Alex is in defiance of God here. | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| God gave him an if-then statement. | ||
| God doesn't give if-then statements. | ||
| If you do this, then this will happen. | ||
| You get to choose whether or not you want the conclusion. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| You know, so Alex actually chose for Tucker to reveal this on a orthodox documentary. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| He made his own bed. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| That's why Alex says to... | ||
| If you're sent by God, you can't have the feeling that... | ||
| This might happen and then not do it. | ||
| God tells you. | ||
| You have to always do the stuff. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Now, the public's not ready. | ||
| See, I don't think the puppet is ready. | ||
| I love that argument, too, because, like, all the stupid, crazy bullshit that he talks about, like, oh, that the public is ready for? | ||
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Yep. | |
| The public's ready for, like, all of my enemies are possessed by demons who are secretly trying to sacrifice people to Saturn. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| All this stuff. | ||
| Oh, they're ready for that, but, oh, I saw a ghost one time and it threw me. | ||
| Like, oh, yeah, we're not ready. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Fuck off. | ||
| There's definitely, like, a... | ||
| Oh, you know, this story is... | ||
| I'm just not ready to tell the... | ||
| Bat! | ||
| Put your cards on the table. | ||
| I bet there's... | ||
| Because you're trying to give the impression that this one is so big. | ||
| You have prophetic dreams, you dumb dick. | ||
| Yeah, that's how big this is. | ||
| You can wrap your head around that. | ||
| You've seen movies. | ||
| This is a different type of movie. | ||
| I've seen those movies too, asshole. | ||
| Yeah, but you haven't seen... | ||
| So have you, clearly. | ||
| But yes, I have seen it. | ||
| There's some good ones. | ||
| You want to talk about the good movies that I've seen? | ||
| Poltergeist? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Poltergeist 2. Uh-huh. | ||
| Poltergeist 3. Yep. | ||
| So I was noticing that this video where Alex is talking in his car was substantially longer than just the part where he was talking in his car. | ||
| Oh, God. | ||
| And that's because he added on a little bit at the end. | ||
| Oh, for God's sake. | ||
| All right, there's so much huge news going on that I'm not out partying on Halloween night. | ||
| In fact, we're shooting this at about 9.20. | ||
| We're going to upload this to Exit Real Alex Jones. | ||
| Incredible stuff I just broke down about Tucker Carlson. | ||
| But now that he talks about it, I can tell you the rest of the story. | ||
| Tomorrow. | ||
| But that said, let me tell you the rest of the story about this. | ||
| You see this? | ||
| This is the type of knife that I'm into, and it's customized right here in America with 1776 Bestie Ross Flag. | ||
| Devastator is what I named it, with my signature. | ||
| Talk about a story. | ||
| There's only 850 of these knives. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| And it's got the Skull Crusher. | ||
| It's all legal now. | ||
| Passed the change lock a decade ago. | ||
| The brass knuckles are a good guard here for your hand, and you got the double-edged dagger. | ||
| So, for real defense, this is what you need right here. | ||
| And I know Swallow's well says when they take over the Tyrion and everything, and this isn't for that. | ||
| This is just a collectible. | ||
| That an AR-15 won't take down an F-15. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| This gets you the AR-15. | ||
| And then the AR-15 gets you everything else you want. | ||
| But we're not calling for that. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Weird knife commercial that has broken out at the end of this video. | ||
| Swords. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| But I like this because he's talking about Eric Swalwell. | ||
| And he's like, you know, an AR-15 won't take down an F-15. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| And Alex is like, we're not even talking about that. | ||
| But also, this knife, you can use this to get a gun. | ||
| And then that gun will get you everything else that you need. | ||
| You give a mouse a cookie. | ||
| Now we've begun the avalanche of fun that's about to... | ||
| I'm not legally allowed to sell you a gun, right? | ||
| So I would if I could, but I can't. | ||
| So I'm going to sell you this knife that you can use later to get a gun. | ||
| I'm going to sell you a gun acquisition device. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, I like that. | ||
| I would call that, let's change the knife to GAD. | ||
| It's called a gun acquisition device. | ||
| And it's totally legal, these brass knuckles, I mean, hand protector. | ||
| Why would anybody outlaw something called a skull crusher? | ||
| Right. | ||
| Could it not do other things? | ||
| We have nuts that need crushing as well, do we not? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I thought that's fun. | ||
| This is good stuff. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And the knife commercial ends with a... | ||
| Very strange tone. | ||
| I want to thank all of you that did support, but if you want the 1776 Devastator, it deserves that name. | ||
| It devastates tyranny. | ||
| Well, just buying it funds the devastation, tyranny, and the info war. | ||
| And 90% of war is information war. | ||
| But, you know, it's a nice conversation piece. | ||
| You can't get more politically incorrect than this, except maybe a thousand horsepower Dodge Hellcat. | ||
| So, or having 11 kids like Elon Musk has done, one of the sperm bank on the side to make sure you populate the earth. | ||
| What is happening? | ||
| We love you, Elon. | ||
| RealAlexJones.com. | ||
| RealAlexJones.com. | ||
| Please go there. | ||
| We love you. | ||
| So, Alex did a video in his car where he's clearly mad that Tucker didn't share his story about being attacked by a demon with him. | ||
| So he recorded this, and then he tacked on at the end a weird knife commercial that ends with him plugging Elon Musk's jizz. | ||
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Yep. | |
| What is happening? | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Fine. | ||
| Everybody can have it. | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| If everybody wants this, that's the life that they chose. | ||
| You choose it. | ||
| I honestly think this is so much more bizarre than 2015. | ||
| It is. | ||
| Like Alex's content promoting Trump in the lead up to 2015. | ||
| This is so much more... | ||
| Absurd and... | ||
| I just don't even... | ||
| I don't even know how to deal with it. | ||
| I mean, I want to go back in time to at any point in my life where I said, I wonder if there's a bottom. | ||
| And I would just want to viciously beat the shit out of myself. | ||
| Well, it would be interesting... | ||
| Forever even asking the question. | ||
| It would be interesting to, like, eight years ago, you know, ask yourself, do you think there will come a time where Alex is subtly promoting Elon Musk's sperm? | ||
| And you'd probably say no. | ||
| Well, I mean, you know. | ||
| On the eve of an election. | ||
| At least now that I've seen us now, I can tell that we've decided to do different things than the things that got us here, which means we definitely won't be in either the same or worse places as the future goes on. | ||
| Everybody's changed there. | ||
| Everybody's doing different stuff, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Alex recorded this, and then he got into studio. | ||
| And was like, oh, that's right. | ||
| I was going to talk about this. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| So he deals with the issue a little bit more the next day on the show. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And there's a lot more to the story that he came out and told yesterday. | ||
| That he told me, and I didn't get around to calling him yesterday to get permission to tell it. | ||
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Why not? | |
| He didn't say don't tell people. | ||
| So when J.D. Mann said, yeah, no, I've got the VP. | ||
| I'm going to be the VP. | ||
| I'm like, really? | ||
| That's great. | ||
| I didn't say I'm allowed to say that. | ||
| He just knew, I guess I wouldn't, so he told me. | ||
| But it's like this weird, unwritten thing. | ||
| He told me more of it. | ||
| And like I said, my wife was right there. | ||
| His family was there. | ||
| His wife, crew, Lexi, and all those folks. | ||
| But I was sitting by the head of the table with him. | ||
| And I just said, what do you think that's connected to? | ||
| And I sat there for a minute. | ||
| And I said, did somebody do a ritual or lay their hands on you or somewhere say that they, because I know how this stuff works, and I wasn't saying Christians were doing it, and I was picking up because it was demonic. | ||
| But if someone asked permission to pray for you or bless you, but it was an unorthodox way, he went, whoa, hold on a minute. | ||
| He came back a few minutes later, he goes, I haven't told my wife this. | ||
| This happened a year ago. | ||
| And he told her about the attack, but not what he just in the last week clicked. | ||
| And he said, just days ago when I was flying back here, this clicked. | ||
| I was looking at old photos from a year ago, right before this happened, and that this happened. | ||
| And he goes, how the hell did you just say? | ||
| And I went, well, let's go further. | ||
| What type of room do they bring you? | ||
| And he goes, well, they did bring me a room. | ||
| How do you know that? | ||
| And I go, well... | ||
| And I said... | ||
| And then he told me who it was. | ||
| And, you know, you're at somebody's house, and they're really nice, and... | ||
| You're about to leave? | ||
| Oh, one more thing! | ||
| One more thing! | ||
| How often is Tucker going over to people's houses where they lead him into a room to do a ritual that this didn't immediately click for him? | ||
| Let's imagine a scenario where you get attacked by a demon in the night. | ||
| If you're somebody seriously concerned about that, maybe you thought it was a demon, do you think that maybe you would assume it had something to do with the occult ritual you were a part of just a little bit before that? | ||
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I feel like this is such an easy case to solve. | |
| This is so stupid! | ||
| And I need Alex to name names. | ||
| He says that he knows the person whose house this was at. | ||
| He knows someone who's putting fucking demons into major media figures, and he's withholding that information from the public. | ||
| And that's just an act of aiding and abetting the demon purveyor. | ||
| This is so stupid. | ||
| I want to fight. | ||
| I want to fight. | ||
| I don't know who I want to fight. | ||
| I just want to fight. | ||
| This is happening. | ||
| At all. | ||
| Makes me want to... | ||
| We're back at the beginning. | ||
| I'm an ape! | ||
| I'm an ape! | ||
| That is how I feel right now. | ||
| Everything has come full circle. | ||
| We're doing 2016 all over again, so we might as well. | ||
| I'm just a goddamn monkey is what I feel like right now. | ||
| So I hear Alex telling this story in the studio, and I can't not feel like what I'm hearing is someone describing someone else fucking with them. | ||
| You're about to leave. | ||
| Oh, one more thing. | ||
| My wife would like to pray for you. | ||
| And these folks aren't, like, saying they're Christians. | ||
| Like, really? | ||
| What kind of... | ||
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Well, she just wants to pray for you. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Tucker wasn't even sure God was real at that point. | ||
| He did not believe in God, but he said that. | ||
| And then I start describing... | ||
| I said, let me guess. | ||
| This looked like a little bit of an unorthodox, there was a little special room he got running? | ||
| And he started telling me, and I was describing the kind of things I would imagine would be in there. | ||
| Not even from research, though there's a lot of that. | ||
| It was just, I was getting a download at this moment. | ||
| I was, I can't do this all the time. | ||
| It's not me, it's God working through me. | ||
| And I described it, and that's why he says I'm the most exceptional person he's ever met. | ||
| Because, you know, I said he'd be fired. | ||
| Within a month, he was fired 29 days after I said that. | ||
| That just came to me. | ||
| So Alex didn't say that Tucker was going to get fired thanks to a download from God. | ||
| He has a clip with it he plays where he predicts that Tucker won't be at Fox News in the near future, but it's selectively edited to hide the context that he was saying that Tucker was going to quit because he's bigger than Fox. | ||
| This is the same manipulation game he plays with pretty much all of his predictions. | ||
| If I were just a friend at a bar listening to Alex tell me this story, I would be pretty suspicious that he's telling me a story of about a time that he didn't realize that Tucker was fucking with him. | ||
| It's almost like Tucker was fishing for details to flesh out his scary demon attack story, and Alex was just riffing about a bunch of stuff that he remembers seeing in horror movies. | ||
| And what do you know? | ||
| Everything that Alex says is right on the mark! | ||
| That's not because Tucker was gonna just accept anything that Alex said, it's because God was giving Alex a download. | ||
| Yeah, I can't imagine somebody who's a professional con man at heart having Alex tell them stuff and not going like, I should try and steal his watch too. | ||
| What can't I take from this human being? | ||
| So you can see what he really stole. | ||
| He stole Alex's dignity. | ||
| And that's why he told this story to an orthodox guy in the middle of nowhere. | ||
| Well, there's a part of me that gets the sense that this is something that is pushing the conversation in the direction that Tucker largely and the people in his orbit want the conversation to go in. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which is there's like this war with demons and supernatural forces and all this shit. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think that if Tucker had his way, he would not be the person who was attacked by a demon because that's funny. | ||
| And all of this stuff is embarrassing and he would rather not be the focal point of this. | ||
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I think that when Alex was on his show, he would have preferred that Alex tell the story about being attacked by a poltergeist. | |
| So all of this stuff could be folded into the Alex Jones is the prophet wild man. | ||
| mythos that you have going over here, and Tucker could keep himself slightly separated from it. | ||
| But Alex didn't come out and tell this story, and so Tucker kind of just has to be it himself. | ||
| I think that's maybe a little bit of what's going on in the background here. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I mean, I could see Tucker wanting to step out. | ||
| I could see Tucker wanting to become the religious idol that he's trying to create. | ||
| So why not be it also? | ||
| It's possible. | ||
| I think that a better organization of everything has those two roles separate. | ||
| He's more of the prophet type, someone who's spreading the word or whatever. | ||
| And maybe has seen some stuff, but doesn't, you know, have not been touched by the divine or whatever. | ||
| Whereas Alex is already, like, everyone already thinks he's crazy. | ||
| So, like, throw this onto the pile. | ||
| Yeah, you're using Alex as a shield. | ||
| I get that. | ||
| But, I mean, you know, the shield also gets to be called the most extraordinary man in the world. | ||
| And if you've got a giant-ass ego... | ||
| Then maybe you want to be the most extraordinary man in the history of the world, you know? | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| I don't think it works with the rest of Tucker's brand. | ||
| I agree, but this would not be the first time that an overloaded, egotistical, tiny little boy has decided to do the dumb thing because it makes him feel better. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| So Alex pretends that he's been very discreet about this. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| He has not. | ||
| I didn't tell those stories, not because I thought it would be discrediting, but because it would be a distraction. | ||
| And Tucker says, you know, and he's been doing it, he's all about the truth and just getting everything out there. | ||
| And so he's had the courage to tell what happened to him, so that was inspiring. | ||
| When I was about 11 years old, and he told me one other event that happened when he was a kid, but it wasn't a demonic attack. | ||
| It just saw like an apparition. | ||
| But I'm not going to tell his private stories. | ||
| You can tell that if he wants to. | ||
| And if you remember, the crew found like one version where I barely mentioned it. | ||
| I did a whole like 30 minutes on this. | ||
| We haven't found it yet. | ||
| Right after I came back from Tucker. | ||
| I didn't say its name. | ||
| And I said a lot of prominent people are being demonically attacked because it wasn't just about Tucker. | ||
| So I love that Alex is trying to pretend that he never talked about this or that he wasn't very obvious about repeating Tucker's personal story on air, but has to concede that he did tell the story without using Tucker's name just after returning from Tucker's show. | ||
| No one could possibly put those two pieces together. | ||
| It would require a level of deductive reasoning that I don't think is... | ||
| I just don't think people are ready to see what it can do. | ||
| Simultaneously, Alex is revealing other presumably private things that Tucker told him, like how he saw a ghost outside his house as a kid. | ||
| On this show, Alex has already said that he didn't call Tucker to get permission to tell more of those stories. | ||
| He's on thin ice from a privacy standpoint. | ||
| I love this. | ||
| I'm not going to tell his personal stories. | ||
| You just did. | ||
| You just said he saw a ghost outside his house. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| This is like the Real Housewives level of weird back and forth thing in implication. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But see, this is where it's really juicy, though, because it's like, I think that Tucker fucked him. | ||
| But now I think Alex is being out of line by telling this story about Tucker seeing a ghost. | ||
| They're both bad. | ||
| It is the danger of company, if you will. | ||
| So let's get to Alex's story about the poltergeist. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I don't know if you're ready for this. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| I'll tell you my personal story. | ||
| Every few weeks, I'd go see a movie with my dad. | ||
| Usually, sometimes with my mom and dad, but she didn't want to watch adventure movies and military movies. | ||
| And so Rambo 3 was out. | ||
| I was 11 years old. | ||
| It's one where he's in Afghanistan or whatever. | ||
| And I'll never forget it because this has just happened. | ||
| We went to see it. | ||
| And my dad's in the car. | ||
| And I said, so we're getting in the car to leave the house to drive to the movie theater. | ||
| And I said, Dad, I'm thirsty. | ||
| I want a drink. | ||
| He goes, okay. | ||
| So I get out of the car. | ||
| It's like 1 o 'clock in the afternoon or whatever. | ||
| It was the afternoon. | ||
| Sunny, summer day. | ||
| And I remember I'd been at the local neighborhood pool swimming a bunch before that. | ||
| Came home and took a shower. | ||
| And me, I never heard voices. | ||
| Never seen a ghost. | ||
| I mean, it's like I'm a schizophrenic. | ||
| Totally not on drugs. | ||
| Totally healthy. | ||
| Sports kid. | ||
| I walk to the front door and then walk by the living room and the stairs to the upstairs and I go into the kitchen to get a Gatorade. | ||
| I still remember like it was happening now. | ||
| And there's no water on the floor. | ||
| I didn't slip any of that. | ||
| And I go to get the Gatorade and then I get snatched and thrown all the way to the ceiling. | ||
| And then I crash down. | ||
| And I'm like, what's this? | ||
| And it's like, oh, what's that movie with a ghost or whatever? | ||
| We're like trying to get people's attention and knocking stuff over or knocking them down or whatever. | ||
| So I stand back up and I'm like, what the hell's that? | ||
| What's that movie with the ghost? | ||
| Bam, my legs are knocked out from under me. | ||
| And I get shoved up against the wall in the microwave. | ||
| Wow, that's quite an attack. | ||
| So now there's a little bit of a problem. | ||
| Alex said that he went to Rambo 3 when he was 11. Alex was born in 1974. | ||
| Rambo 3 came out in May 1988. | ||
| He was 14 when Rambo 3 came out. | ||
| And Rambo 3 is the one about the Afghanistan. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So he's got that right. | ||
| Of all the details to be correct about. | ||
| He's three years too young in the story that he's telling. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Now, maybe he meant Rambo 2, which came out in 1985, which would be the right year. | ||
| He would have been 11 then. | ||
| But he didn't remember the specifics of the movie. | ||
| He did say Rambo 3. Which, in all honesty, I trust him to remember the specifics of what movies he has seen and when far more than literally anything else he has ever said. | ||
| I don't remember exactly what was Rambo 2 about, if that one was in Afghanistan. | ||
| No, it's in Thailand. | ||
| So anyway, I think he's full of shit, but... | ||
| Wild. | ||
| Fun. | ||
| So he got thrown up into the air by this ghost. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This ghost guy, this angry ghost. | ||
| You know, like, if I'm gonna hear about somebody's ghost stories or dreams, then have somebody fucking in it, you know? | ||
| If you're gonna tell me, oh, here's what dream I had, fine. | ||
| Throw a fuck in there. | ||
| Game of Thrones rules, you know? | ||
| Oh, there's a ghost. | ||
| Also, people were fucking. | ||
| See, there you go. | ||
| Now I'm back in. | ||
| Also have a point. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, that helped. | ||
| Well, Dan, I don't think you're gonna hear a lot of dreams or ghost stories that will ever have a point. | ||
| I'm still gonna demand it. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| Now, here's something that I thought was fun. | ||
| What? | ||
| Alex is like 11, right? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So he's about 10 years older than me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And so I was kind of hoping that maybe based on the difference of our birthdays, maybe I was born. | ||
| That day. | ||
| That very day. | ||
| Because why not? | ||
| We've already lived weird enough lives as it is. | ||
| Why not throw that one on the pile? | ||
| Or something about, I don't know, I had an out-of-body experience when I was a baby and I was me attacking him. | ||
| 100%. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Man, there's this baby with a knife named the Skull Crusher for some reason. | ||
| I don't know what's going on there. | ||
| Weird day. | ||
| Anyways, my ghost story is pretty boring. | ||
| Got thrown around by a baby. | ||
| So Alex's attack continues. | ||
| And I get up, and I go out to the car and get in the car with my dad, get in the Bronco with him. | ||
| Brown Bronco, still remember it like it was yesterday. | ||
| And he's like, are you okay? | ||
| And I'm like, yeah, my shoulder hurts. | ||
| So we get to the theater, get the milk duds and popcorn, and about halfway through, I say, Dad, I... | ||
| I'm in excruciating pain now. | ||
| My shoulder's hurt. | ||
| And he owned, with a couple partners, a hospital. | ||
| It wasn't a clinic because they did surgeries there, but it was a little hospital there in Rowlett. | ||
| That was Mesquite. | ||
| He owned a couple of them. | ||
| And he goes, well, let's go over here. | ||
| Doctor whatever's there. | ||
| And we go, and my shoulder's dislocated. | ||
| And the doctor gets in there. | ||
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I could stab him in the throat right now. | |
| 100%. | ||
| Hurt like hell, but boy, it felt 95% better after that. | ||
| Shoves my right shoulder back in the socket. | ||
| And I go home. | ||
| And I never even told my dad that story. | ||
| I never told anybody. | ||
| I think I halfway mentioned it like, oh, I know poltergeist stuff's real or whatever you want to call it. | ||
| Disruptive spirit, whatever. | ||
| They smash things, break things, throw people around, call it whatever you want. | ||
| That happened to me. | ||
| And I mean, was it an alien with a predator suit on that was invisible? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| But something... | ||
| I mean, it was surreal. | ||
| Like, you're thrown to the ceiling. | ||
| And that kitchen didn't have really high ceilings, but boom. | ||
| Probably nine-foot ceilings. | ||
| Boom. | ||
| Slam down on your back. | ||
| Get up. | ||
| Bam! | ||
| Knocks you back down again. | ||
| And then shoves you up against a wall. | ||
| Like you see that in movies where the ghost of the demon grabs people and slams them on walls and slams them up against stuff. | ||
| And what is that? | ||
| Yeah, it's like you see in movies. | ||
| Because it's what's in movies. | ||
| What is that? | ||
| Could be anything. | ||
| Could be anything. | ||
| Could be a dream. | ||
| Could be something you fucking made up and have convinced yourself is real. | ||
| Could be a movie you saw. | ||
| Here's the part of it that I have real trouble with. | ||
| In the same way that I don't believe that Tucker could possibly be injured to this level and not go to the hospital, not have his wife be terrified, not have... | ||
| What about the height of the ceilings? | ||
| Nine foot ceilings? | ||
| Would they be in this story? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't care about that. | ||
| What I care about is he went to the movie with his dad. | ||
| Like, he's saying, I never told my dad this story. | ||
| Your dad's in the fucking story. | ||
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Yep. | |
| Your dad lived this. | ||
| He took you to a clinic and had you relocate your shoulder. | ||
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Yep. | |
| He didn't want an explanation for, hey, son, how the hell did that happen? | ||
| I tripped. | ||
| Alex got the shit beat out of him by a ghost, and then he just came back to the car, and his dad wasn't, he didn't notice, like, Alex wasn't crying or... | ||
| Serious pain or something. | ||
| He didn't notice any difference in him. | ||
| This seems very difficult for me to believe. | ||
| He was probably telling him the details of his friend and how he got the clinic and whether it wasn't that kind of clinic. | ||
| Man, I just hate this fucking story so much. | ||
| I just hate it so much. | ||
| It's filled with all the things that I hate about bad stories. | ||
| I find it difficult to believe in terms of human stuff in the same way as Tucker's story. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's fun. | ||
| No, it's not. | ||
| It is not fun. | ||
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It's fun enough. | |
| If it was fun, then he wouldn't need all the bullshit details in there. | ||
| Let me rephrase. | ||
| It's fun when it's in movies. | ||
| Fair enough. | ||
| And that's probably why Alex is telling the story. | ||
| That is almost certainly why. | ||
| So I noticed something that was different in the way that Alex told the story of Tucker and the way Tucker told it. | ||
| And Tucker described more to me than he did in the show, but just a darkness coming at him. | ||
| And that's recorded in all the history books, all the ancient cultures, same crap. | ||
| The Japanese reported it. | ||
| The Norse reported it. | ||
| The Chinese, the Africans, the Mesoamericans, every culture describes the same thing. | ||
| So you can say whatever you want about it, whatever it is, whatever's going on, but I think it's really important to talk about that if it happened, and it did. | ||
| So this is not like... | ||
| More details. | ||
| This is a contradiction of what Tucker said in the documentary clip. | ||
| He was asleep when he was attacked and didn't even know he had claw marks on him until he wandered around the house a little bit. | ||
| Alex's version of the story that Tucker told him is different. | ||
| He said that a darkness came at him. | ||
| There's contradictions here. | ||
| I don't really care. | ||
| They're both liars, so I don't care who's telling the truth here. | ||
| It's just notable that there's like... | ||
| Real distinct issues. | ||
| The story is to whomever is hearing the story. | ||
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Right. | |
| It is unrelated to whomever else may have heard the story in the past. | ||
| Well, it's like the Orthodox priest said. | ||
| You know, the conversion to Orthodoxy is not a 2 plus 2 equals 4 thing. | ||
| It's an experience thing. | ||
| I'm just going to tell you a story. | ||
| The truth of this demon attack is the way it makes you feel. | ||
| Well, in or you're out. | ||
| Are you in on demons or no? | ||
| So on Twitter, people were responding to this. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| And they were having a little bit of an argument. | ||
| About whether or not this was a poltergeist or a demon. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| That attacked Tucker. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| There's a lot of sticklers for semantics. | ||
| And if you study that in all cultures, they say the most common thing, in fact, 90-plus percent of it, if you look up a poltergeist, and that's kind of the German term for it, Christians, like myself, so that's a demon. | ||
| But the point is, a debate broke out on my ex. | ||
| Is it a demon? | ||
| Is it a poltergeist? | ||
| It's not nice. | ||
| And it hits and runs. | ||
| And it mainly targets people going into puberty or adolescence. | ||
| And the energy and whatever's coming off of that. | ||
| That's why, you know, the Satanists and demons that they're working with want kids killed. | ||
| And that's why they'd sacrifice virgins in every ancient culture, you know. | ||
| And that's why in Poltergeist it comes after a little girl. | ||
| Based on a true story out of New York. | ||
| Didn't happen out in Arizona. | ||
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So, that happened. | |
| That went on. | ||
| I've not had other experiences like that. | ||
| Okay, so he thinks Poltergeist is a true story. | ||
| That's fun. | ||
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Yep. | |
| And then, who gives a shit about the difference? | ||
| That's just fun. | ||
| But also, was Tucker going through puberty a year and a half ago? | ||
| I mean, probably. | ||
| Have you listened to his voice? | ||
| He still hasn't gone through puberty, goddammit. | ||
| I don't understand how any of these concepts connect to each other. | ||
| That little wavefish laugh. | ||
| These people disgust me! | ||
| So you hear there at the end there, though, Alex is like, I've not had any other experiences. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| Which I think he immediately remembers, like, oh, wait, I'm a prophet, and I see the future. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So he has to, like, sort of save the ship here. | ||
| I've not had other experiences like that. | ||
| I just would have dreams that came true, sometimes inconsequential, sometimes very serious, and then I learned to pay attention to those type of dreams. | ||
| I would wake up nauseous and really feeling sick when I would have one of those dreams. | ||
| Like it had been some big event. | ||
| I mean, I guess seeing into the future or whatever that is is stressful. | ||
| And that's happened quite a few times. | ||
| I love this, just this mentality of like, yes, I had this poltergeist attack one time, but that's really about it. | ||
| Except for the... | ||
| Extensive history of seeing the future that I have had. | ||
| The ways that God has given me visions. | ||
| I have been hand-selected by the deity to fight the devil. | ||
| I constantly run into demons in my day-to-day life. | ||
| People at the grocery store turn into demons in front of me. | ||
| Yeah, but other than that, I mean, not much. | ||
| Just that one poltergeist, really. | ||
| It's a testament. | ||
| It's a testament to how mundane any job can become. | ||
| You know, you're like, oh, my job is the chosen one by God. | ||
| Ah, what's this? | ||
| Same shit as the rest of the days. | ||
| Right. | ||
| But whoa! | ||
| A poltergeist? | ||
| That's new! | ||
| You're telling this one story that you want to be special, but as you're telling it, you realize, like, I basically live in magic. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Fuck. | ||
| Yeah, it would be impressive if I hadn't already claimed to be in control of some spiritual energies myself. | ||
| Right. | ||
| To the point that one might suspect whether or not I could have put up a defense against a poltergeist. | ||
| On our last fucking episode, Alex said he's been to heaven. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| That one's, what's continuity for? | ||
| If not for making this poltergeist story fucking stupid. | ||
| So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex trying to ground all of this in science. | ||
| Good! | ||
| What? | ||
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No! | |
| There's a lot going on in our universe, and let's be clear. | ||
| To ancients, they call it spiritual, but the mathematics... | ||
| What ancients? | ||
| Who are these ancients? | ||
| Experiments and all of those have been done thousands of times. | ||
| When you're observing a molecule, it can go through a block of lead. | ||
| But when you're not observing it, it doesn't do it, or vice versa. | ||
| What? | ||
| That's your pitch? | ||
| Observation of reality is affecting it, even though you cannot track with any machine the energy that supposedly is doing that. | ||
| But we now know with dark matter theory and all of that, that there is all of this other matter that's even more intense and more energetic than the dimension. | ||
| We're in. | ||
| So this is a guy who clearly understands the concepts that he's throwing around, not just using buzzwords in order to sort of justify and make it sound smart that he's talking about demon attacks and poltergeists. | ||
| This is so dumb. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| I find it fascinating in a very literal way. | ||
| I find it fascinating that people believe that dark matter theory is like a thing instead of just being like... | ||
| We have no other way to describe matter that does not get touched by light. | ||
| Calling it dark matter is the least interesting thing to describe it as. | ||
| Dark energy. | ||
| It's just because it doesn't interact with light. | ||
| It is a descriptive term. | ||
| It doesn't mean anything. | ||
| It's not a name for something. | ||
| It could be a million things. | ||
| It could be zero things. | ||
| It could be anything. | ||
| But, how do you like... | ||
| The description of the observer effect. | ||
| That one's great. | ||
| So molecules can go through lead if you're looking, but not if you're not looking, or the other way around. | ||
| Vice versa. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Who knows which is it going to be? | ||
| Am I invisible when my eyes are closed, or is it that I am visible when my eyes are open? | ||
| I mean, the ancients have wondered about that for millennia. | ||
| How dare anyone in 2024 be like, the ancients. | ||
| Stop your sentence there. | ||
| Why? | ||
| The ancients. | ||
| Those ancients. | ||
| Which ones? | ||
| The ancient ones. | ||
| They're all ancient! | ||
| I don't know, people back in the 70s who fucking knows. | ||
| But what does that mean? | ||
| The Aztecs, what does that mean? | ||
| From when? | ||
| The Incans, from when? | ||
| When? | ||
| These things are a long time! | ||
| Right, but they all had the same idea that had been proven by mathematics. | ||
| Nah. | ||
| Yes, they did. | ||
| And they all saw demons, much like Tucker. | ||
| That actually did. | ||
| Tucker is the present-day ancients. | ||
| I do believe that the ancients have been reincarnated into a whiny little baby named Tucker Carlson. | ||
| So this is how we leave things off before the election. | ||
| I feel like it was sort of a palate cleanser, a little bit. | ||
| But also, like, you could not be more mad. | ||
| I think it's great because it reminds you of the stakes of the election and how seriously everyone's taking it. | ||
| Yeah, these people are taking it very, very seriously. | ||
| That's what keeps me going, you know? | ||
| How serious these things are and how I'm expected to take them so seriously. | ||
| And as a reminder, I went down this road because I'm bored with how unseriously Alex is taking the election. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| So we listen to Tucker talk about spankings and being attacked by a demon. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep, yep, yep. | ||
| We'll see you on the other side. | ||
| You bet. | ||
| So, we'll be back. | ||
| But until then, we have website. | ||
| We do. | ||
| It's knowledgefight.com. | ||
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We'll be back. | |
| But until then, I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm Leo. | ||
| I'm DCXClark. | ||
| I am the mysterious professor. | ||
| Woo! | ||
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Yeah! | |
| Woo! | ||
| Yeah! | ||
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Woo! | |
| And now, here comes the sex robots. | ||
| Andy in Kansas. | ||
| You're on the air. | ||
| Thanks for holding. | ||
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Hello, Alex. | |
| I'm a first-time caller. | ||
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I'm a huge fan. | |
| I love your work. |
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