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Oct. 25, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
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#975: October 17, 2024

#975: October 17, 2024 dissects Alex Jones’ erratic shifts—from hyping Roger Stone’s debunked "assassination attempt" via Vem Miller to peddling Ukraine’s nonexistent atomic bombs and framing UK protest laws as "thought crimes." His violent fantasies and conspiracy detours (like racial blame for CB radios) expose a pattern of extremism, while callers’ absurd proposals—archiving his rants in time capsules or "Energon cubes" funding his mission—highlight his delusional self-mythologizing. Jones’ eight-year InfoWars empire thrives on recycled outrage and copyright hypocrisy, proving his own rhetoric is the real globalist threat. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
a
alex jones
infowars 14:44
d
dan friesen
32:37
j
jordan holmes
17:40
Appearances
c
chase geiser
infowars 03:18
h
harrison smith
infowars 03:58
r
roger stone
r 00:36
Callers
tim in seattle
callers 00:51
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Speaker Time Text
dan friesen
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
unidentified
I'm Dad.
jordan holmes
I'm Jordan.
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
unidentified
Dan.
dan friesen
Jordan.
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot today, buddy?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
Well, my bright spot is a supernova.
Literal?
Literal supernova.
dan friesen
A champagne supernova?
jordan holmes
No, no, because that's in the sky.
Right.
dan friesen
I thought you got oasis tickets.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
This is terrestrial.
Yeah, my wife's mom, my mother-in-law, surprised me by purchasing a ticket to a World Series game.
dan friesen
So it is still a ticket.
jordan holmes
It is still a ticket.
Okay.
It's a ticket to, well, they won't have champagne.
It'll be a regular beer nova.
dan friesen
You get some champagne.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I'll get a beer nova.
But yeah, it's about the most exciting and most ridiculous thing that's ever happened to me.
dan friesen
So you mentioned this, and I didn't, first of all, huzzah.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't even, yeah, I'm freaking out about it.
dan friesen
I didn't know that the World Series was already happening.
So it's in New York, right?
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
And from what I understand, LA, it's New York and LA.
jordan holmes
Yep, it's in New York and LA.
dan friesen
So you get Otani.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
You get the big apple.
jordan holmes
Yes.
Yeah, no.
Yay.
It's maybe probably of the top 10 baseball players alive right now, there's seven of them of the teams that you could possibly want to see.
These are pretty much the two most storied franchises in Major League Baseball, short of my beloved Cubs.
And frankly, like, what's crazy about it is that this is not something that I've ever even dreamed of.
This isn't like, oh, this makes my dream come true.
When we grew up, we were the type of poor where you're like, let's not bother with dreams about stuff like that.
That's too crazy.
Right.
That's nuts.
And then as I grew up, it's like, I would literally rather die than spend this kind of money on myself.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
And you know that's a literal, like, I would literally rather die.
Probably, yeah.
So that was never a dream.
And then now it's like, I mean, I'm struck with like slow waves of gratitude because it's either that or like let the Midwestern shame of a nice thing happening be like, no, give it back.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You know, destroy me, that kind of thing.
dan friesen
I know the feeling.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And here's what you got to do.
You got to recognize that this is New York versus LA.
There is no place for the Midwest feelings in this.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
dan friesen
This is a coastal showdown that you're getting to go to.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So you have to choose if you want to be, you know, if you want to be West Coast or East Coast in your mentality.
jordan holmes
That's a good point.
dan friesen
I know you're probably pulling for LA because you love Otani.
jordan holmes
Well, that's the problem.
I really don't want either of them to win.
dan friesen
Oh.
jordan holmes
I don't want that.
I don't want either of these two.
But I do want Otani to win.
I would like him to win the World Series for himself.
dan friesen
I don't know if he can do that.
jordan holmes
Wouldn't that be an interesting, oh, well, actually, Otani conquered the World Series this year and has won it outright by himself.
dan friesen
So obviously, they won't do that.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But in theory, he could outscore New York.
jordan holmes
That's true.
dan friesen
So he could win it himself just based on points.
jordan holmes
Well, the old Satchel Page, you know, he would show off from time to time by telling the whole defense, get out of here.
It's just me and the catcher.
And they would go, and then he would strike out the side because he's the greatest.
Satchel Page was the greatest.
I'm not saying Otani can do that for nine innings, but if anybody should be allowed to try and pitch and hit against another team by himself, it should be him.
dan friesen
And look, I know we have Casey at the bat as this cautionary tale about hubris and stuff.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
But we also are, we're due for a new legend.
You know, like Babe Ruth calling his shot.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
You know, like that kind of stuff.
We need a new reference.
So like Otani doing that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Everybody take it a take a lap.
Whatever.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it'd be amazing.
It'd be amazing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Like, do you know, here's the thing I was thinking about as far as that goes.
Do you know how crazy it is what Otani's doing?
Even when there were literal angels in the outfield, they would not, like, no one would believe that if any of that stuff were happening.
Like a guy can, in a Tony Danza movie, a guy can fly up in the air.
That's far more likely than somebody hitting 50 home runs and stealing 50 bases in the same time while being one of the top 10 pitchers in the league.
dan friesen
What about a child getting surgery on their arm and having a real good fight?
jordan holmes
I like that.
I like a rookie leader.
I like that.
Yeah, but that's a Busey.
That's abusey.
Yeah, that's abusey.
dan friesen
It's abusey.
jordan holmes
It's abusey.
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
Gary Busey.
jordan holmes
Gary Busey's a bright spot.
dan friesen
I don't know.
What have I eaten lately?
I don't know.
This mustache is growing on me.
I think I'm living into the mustache.
And I feel like it has started to sort of take over some of my personality.
Sure.
I was watching episode of Seinfeld, and I used to love Seinfeld.
I thought it was so funny.
I thought it was great.
Best sitcom.
Because it's on all the time.
When I'm a kid, it's on syndication, on reruns all the time.
I'm watching it, and I'm like, come on.
unidentified
Just like these complaints.
dan friesen
Is this this big of a deal?
You guys are.
jordan holmes
Get over yourselves.
Kraeber.
dan friesen
Come on.
What are you doing?
jordan holmes
Kraber, what are you doing?
Kraeper, quit it.
Knock it off.
dan friesen
And I feel like that was the mustache's influence.
jordan holmes
I can see that.
I can see that.
I meant to, the last time we recorded, I meant to say that I meant to compliment you because you'd shaved off just a little bit of the handlebar.
dan friesen
Yeah, just a mustache.
jordan holmes
Just a straight mustache.
You look good.
dan friesen
Thanks.
jordan holmes
You look like a firefighter.
dan friesen
I think that's the no bullshit kind of attitude that can't deal with George Costanza's hijinks.
jordan holmes
Costanza would not make it in the Chicago firefighting game.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I'll tell you that right now.
dan friesen
Yeah.
You created your own problem that you're now complaining about.
George.
jordan holmes
Take responsibility for your own actions.
We got to fight you.
dan friesen
Anyway, we have an episode to go over today, Jordan.
We're going to be talking about October 17th, 2024.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know how to introduce these episodes anymore other than to say Alex is on some bullshit.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Saying some stupid things, but there's some entertaining and enlightening stuff we'll learn along the way.
So we can be excited for that.
But before we get down to business, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
So, first, startling Caleb by repeatedly saying Caleb's name, Caleb.
Thank you so much, Caleb.
You're now a policy Caleb.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, to Dale and Alexis for reasonably hating Alex Jones' voice, but tolerating it because Dan's critical analysis of the right-wing bullshit.
And Jordan's very reasonable, righteous anger comforts my addled brain and puts me to sleep like a chronically abused dog, finally getting a gentle touch from our backwoods liberal holdout.
Thank you so much, you're an awful policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
Next, wishing my wife a happy anniversary through our favorite podcast.
Thank you so much, you're an awful policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
And I just joined the Patreon, and the blurb said to email you here.
So could I please get a policy wonk shout out for quote-unquote Sam.
Thank you so much, Joanna Policy Wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
dan friesen
Thank you very much.
So, Jordan, today we start off with kind of something that we just always have, I guess, in the background.
And that is some boot-licking, some of that good stuff for Trump and Elon, and it's just blah.
alex jones
So everybody on the fence not defending Elon Musk is an idiot.
He is devastating the globalist in live time on every front, reaching it's got to be a billion people a day with stuff.
Sounds like I said it.
Documents, videos.
I mean, he's just slaying them.
He's grand slamming them.
He's whole and oneing them.
And then we pray to God for an awakening.
We pray to God for people with power to stand up against tyranny.
And then when it comes, it's not perfect.
Or, you know, 32 million Christians in a big study.
We're not going to vote.
Trump's not perfect.
You got Satan in you.
You got the devil in you.
Musk might turn on us down the road.
Doesn't mean you totally trust him, but my goodness gracious, when somebody is blasting the globalist, causing irrevocable damage to their operation, and they're coming after him, the proof's in the pudding.
Or as Jesus said, you judge a tree by its fruits.
So shame on everybody not backing Trump and Elon Musk or Infowars.
You are dumber than a box of rocks.
dan friesen
So if you don't like Elon Musk or Trump, the devil is in you.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
That's fun.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right.
So, like, was Jesus always in the moment?
Like, you know, you can't.
Like, okay, so maybe Elon Musk turns on us.
Sure, that might happen.
And we're expecting it, apparently, and that's totally fine.
But then, like, four years from now, don't you judge a tree by its fruits?
And now you're the idiot.
dan friesen
You know who famously turned on somebody?
The devil.
jordan holmes
I remember that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
It was kind of his big thing.
Yeah.
dan friesen
His fruits were probably pretty good prior to that.
jordan holmes
He was pretty nice.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
He was living in the good life.
Yeah.
And now he's the devil.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I think that this just grows weary.
I grow weary of this.
This Elon Love and the Trump.
If you don't like him, you're the devil.
It's not something that can exist really within rational conversation.
Yeah.
It's so far outside of what is worth engaging with that I hear this and I'm like, this is pathetic, dude.
What are you doing, Alex?
Yeah.
Did you see?
I don't know if you saw that clip of Tim Walz saying that Elon was on stage dancing around like a dipshit.
jordan holmes
Nope.
But that sounds great.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I saw that on a tweet and I was like, there's no way he actually said that.
Then I watched the video and he calls Elon Musk a dipshit.
I was like, wow.
Thumbs up.
jordan holmes
People like honesty.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So people are honest to Alex.
jordan holmes
Oh, I strongly doubt that, but I will follow along.
dan friesen
When he's at the gym, because they talk about how much they love him and how he's the greatest.
He's the legend.
alex jones
I have been working out quite a bit, enjoying it.
And just an example of how popular freedom is today.
I went into a big gym and I tried to go over to a corner and work out.
And I had about six, seven people walk by and come over: black, white, Hispanic, female.
And you know what they all said?
They said the legend.
Now, that isn't about me.
That's about the broadcast, everything we do.
But in their minds, after all the demonization and all the attack, I'm being addressed as the legend.
Now, how does that tell you the New World Order is doing?
And then that explains why they hate my gut so much because this broadcast, the guests, the crew, everything we've done, has achieved folk hero status all over the world.
Tucker Carlson, others have told me, they'll be in Hungary.
They'll be in Germany.
They'll be in the UK.
They'll be in Russia.
They'll be in Japan.
They'll be in Brazil.
And they see people with info war shirts that are homemade or spray-painted on the wall.
People come up to him and say, you know, Alex Jones.
We love you.
We love him.
Again, that isn't about me.
It's about the symbol that I am of a pro-human, pro-God, pro-family populist standing against the establishment.
And they've thrown literally thousands of national TV productions and programs, hundreds of documentaries, hundreds of movies, hundreds of thousands of news articles.
I mean, some days I don't even do it anymore.
I don't even look at it.
Google Alerts.
They would say, you have 14,900 articles.
And a few of them would be the Alex Jones lady on the BBC, very lovely lady.
Very nice.
Guess we could get married.
And it'd be Mr. and Mrs. Alex Jones for real.
unidentified
Nice.
alex jones
Both Alex Jones, both Welsh, I guess.
I got some Welsh.
I mean, she's pure Welsh.
The point is, is that, you know, maybe 20 of them are about her.
You know, how is it, you know, tens of thousands?
One of them is like 35,000 articles.
Well, that's because every publication in the country at some points when they're giving the order to the CIA that has these pre-programmed systems, they would then report the script they were given.
And, you know, AP is in every local newspaper.
It's in every local TV station or almost every.
So, you know, AP would come out and it would, you know, it'd be 8,000 AP same articles.
That's how you got those numbers, but it would still be hundreds of different ones every day saying, I am Satan.
I am the devil.
I am horrible.
I pee on children's graves.
I have hundreds of millions of dollars I stole from children.
I murdered children.
I'm Adam Lanza.
I'm racist.
None of it works anymore because people know they're a pack of globalist liars.
dan friesen
This guy loves to look at Google alerts about himself.
Like, he's up late at night responding to people on Twitter, and yet he has no thoughts about a shockingly successful podcast making fun of him that's existed for eight years and done almost a thousand episodes with no corporate backing or institutional support.
That's weird.
It is weird.
One of the things I wanted to point out here is how much Alex relishes pretending that he was accused of peeing on one of the graves of a child who was killed at Sandy Hook.
He was never accused of this, and he knows it, but he also knows that this particular memory is deeply traumatic to the parents of that child.
By pretending that he was accused of doing this, Alex gets to pretend to be defending himself from an accusation.
But in reality, what he's doing is bringing up something he knows will hurt people that he's very mad at.
He wants to remind the victims of these harassing experiences and re-traumatize them as possible while pretending that he's doing it to clear his own name because he's a piece of shit.
Claddy's having fun at the gym, though.
He should be super worried about people calling him the legend, if you really think about it.
When people call you the legend, they're treating you as a character based on what you've done in the past.
You don't have meaningful agency when you're the legend because your story's already been written.
You're useless tomorrow because you're just the guy who predicted 9-11 based on that edited clip package that you've put together.
You've already made your legend.
jordan holmes
The end.
dan friesen
You're inconvenient as a thing that still exists.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So enjoy it.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, people would really prefer you were gone and got out of the way of the legend.
People like the legend a lot more than they like the you.
dan friesen
I think that if they took anything that he says seriously, they would be forced to really think Alex is getting in the way of his own legend.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
But thankfully, they don't listen and no one really gives a shit.
jordan holmes
Okay, so I'm interested in these CIA hookups.
So every major paper institution, AP, everybody has at least one direct connection to the CIA who will, when called upon, like, do you think Manchurian style or do you think it's like a big red phone?
dan friesen
I think that Alex just doesn't understand like article syndication and he is saying that like the CIA forces these papers to run AP articles as opposed to it just being a wire.
Sure, sure.
jordan holmes
Nah, I want a Batman phone.
dan friesen
Yeah, I mean, it would be better.
jordan holmes
It would be more fun.
dan friesen
Nope.
So speaking of phones, though, Alex has one.
And you know where phones go?
jordan holmes
No.
Russia.
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
National Russian TV is live right now, and they want to ask me questions and interview me.
So we'll do a simulcast for 15 minutes after the break.
Now this with the BBC, the Japanese, everybody, but I'll go on just the Japanese.
Russian television telling what's going on with our election.
dan friesen
I'll tell these Russians what's up.
So I thought this was fun.
And obviously, Alex cutting into his own time on his own show to do this.
That's pretty special.
Yeah.
It's a nice thing for him to make this accommodation.
jordan holmes
It's always good to kill two birds with one stone.
dan friesen
Certainly is.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't want to stay late for work.
alex jones
No.
jordan holmes
No, I got to get home at five.
dan friesen
I find sometimes when you try to kill two birds with one stone, you end up killing no birds.
And the stone falls and hits you on the foot.
And then you're like Fred Flintstone with the bomb bomb bomb.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
It's very difficult.
It's very difficult to hit two birds with one stone.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah.
You end up with none like this.
alex jones
We are back live here on the broadcast, and I'm in Texas.
We're doing a simulcast on the Russian live 60 Minutes program.
We'll see how this works.
And they've got some questions for me, so I'm happy to talk to the Russians about this very important election here in the United States.
So go ahead, folks.
They're in Russia.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Well, I guess they're going live.
You know, it's fun to do these type of things, but I told the crew that I got a lot of important stuff to cover here.
So I'm going to bail here in about 10 seconds, as my instincts told me to do earlier.
I'm going to come back, reset the show, and break it all down for folks.
All right.
Failing.
Boom.
Didn't work.
Cut it.
Doing the show.
We're done.
Thank you.
Not doing that again.
dan friesen
Not doing that again.
jordan holmes
I like it.
I like that.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
That's some decision-making right there.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I thought, like, you know, obviously you're listening to the beginning of the episode and you're like, he's going to do this simulcast with Russian TV.
This will be interesting.
And then he comes back from break and it's like, I should have seen this coming.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I should have seen there being a tech problem and him just being like, fuck this, and we're not doing this.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah, that's nuts.
I mean, is now really the time to just go jumping on a Russian show, right?
dan friesen
It doesn't matter.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
Who cares?
jordan holmes
Who cares?
Oh, man.
dan friesen
I don't know what show that was going to be because they never connected and I have no idea.
jordan holmes
The Russian 60 Minutes, I guess.
dan friesen
Yeah.
They have 60 Minutes.
unidentified
Are they allowed?
jordan holmes
I think they're allowed to have 60 Minutes in Russia, but that's just an hour.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's a title, though.
unidentified
I don't know if I don't think they'll be able to sue for copyright.
dan friesen
Speaking of copyright infringements, Alex has one on his Twitter.
You know, his Twitter, The Real Alex Jones.
He feels that he owns that personally.
Sure.
Not the company.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But the bankruptcy court doesn't really feel the same way.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
So he might be losing that Twitter account.
jordan holmes
Gotcha.
dan friesen
In the auction.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It's coming up.
Okay.
So he's decided I better start a new Twitter.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
alex jones
Alex Jones Bankruptcy Trustee aims as a federal justice department person to sell social media accounts, including real Alex Jones and the name Alex Jones.
And he says it doesn't violate the 13th Amendment because Alex Jones is not a normal person.
It actually says it in Bloomberg and in the federal filing.
You cannot make it up.
I did a whole hour on it live last night from the Alex Jones Network X account that you definitely want to follow.
AJN Live, at AJN Live.
We'll put that on screen as a URL.
At AJN Live.
That's a new thing for you to follow.
Or you can roll over and give up.
dan friesen
Okay, so Alex has a new Twitter account.
It's pretty hard to tell how it's any different than an InfoWars account.
It posts streams from the InfoWars studio.
It features Infowars employees.
All of the arguments that could be made to say that real Alex Jones is a company product work just as well for this new Twitter account.
It's being made with and by InfoWars resources for the explicit purpose of directing people to a new business outside of the bankruptcy, which is currently the same business, InfoWars.
So that's confusing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is lying a little bit here about what the trustee said.
The article he's referencing says, quote, Murray said he's only seeking to sell the estate's interests in the social media accounts, but not license the use of Jones' persona or force him to post content on the accounts according to the motion.
The social media accounts are primarily used by Jones to promote the InfoWars broadcasts and brand, his books and video game, and therefore are integral to free speech systems business, the trustee said.
Quote, Alex Jones's social media accounts are not the ordinary accounts of a private citizen, and the sale of Jones's bankruptcy estate's interest in the social media accounts does not require Alex Jones to perform any personal services that would otherwise violate the 13th Amendment, the trustee's motion said.
So when he's like, Alex Jones is different, you know, that's why they could sell my social media.
It's like, no, it's a business account.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You're using this as it's not like it's not really a personal account.
jordan holmes
I mean, it is different 100% for sure because most people, I would even argue almost all people do not have their own show named after them.
dan friesen
That's true.
jordan holmes
Even people with shows, they don't have their own show named after them.
dan friesen
It's a rare thing.
jordan holmes
It's a small number.
You're not an ordinary person.
unidentified
No.
dan friesen
But honestly, like, Alex could start Alex Jones Network after all of this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And that's fine.
That is him still using his name.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But he can't call his show the Alex Jones show, let's say.
And that's the compromise that he's just going to have to deal with, I think, if this auction goes how it might.
jordan holmes
It's so weird because it feels like what he's doing is like, oh, you, yes, it is okay for you to do that, but you got to wait until after the other one's sold.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right?
Like, yeah, you're going to have your own Twitter account.
That's going to happen.
Are you confused on that?
They're not going to take away your access to Twitter.
dan friesen
Well, he has to make it seem like that.
Right.
I can never use my name again.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
Like, that kind of thing.
It's like, no one's making that argument.
jordan holmes
No, nobody's doing that.
But even still, like, you make a new Twitter account later.
Why are you doing it now?
Because it feels like that'll then become part of the thing that they're selling.
dan friesen
It should.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
Just wait.
dan friesen
I think he has no confidence.
And I think that there's probably good reason.
Sure.
I went and I checked this out just this morning today.
Yeah.
And I checked it as about 40,000 followers.
Which is not nothing, but it's not good for someone like he should have so many more followers.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I don't think that the message is really there of like, hey, you should.
There's not enough people who are making that migration over.
Yeah.
And that I think.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's not good.
dan friesen
No, but honestly, that's why you started afterwards.
Because the explosion of the company and the going away creates a spectacle that you can then use to launch your new thing.
jordan holmes
Look at all of this.
dan friesen
What you should be doing anyway.
This is bad showmanship.
jordan holmes
Yeah, while everybody's gloating, they're giving you all of their attention, which means you can exploit that attention to then start your own thing, and they'll have inadvertently supported you in your launch of the new thing.
dan friesen
That's the way it could go.
jordan holmes
That's the way you do it.
Insane.
dan friesen
So Roger Stone is on.
Sure, of course.
Trump's going to win, blah, Naturally.
But he is complaining about how one of the guys who had a gun around Trump at the golf course, his case is going to be postponed.
jordan holmes
Okay.
roger stone
This guy, Ryan Ralph, they have now postponed his trial indefinitely.
They say there's so much evidence now that we can't possibly get through all of it.
It'll take us eternity, evidently, because he's never going to go to trial.
And then they take this poor guy, Vem Miller, who was not posing any threat to Trump, who's a Trump supporter who did nothing wrong.
You had him on.
I had him on.
They smear this guy.
They say, oh, he had fake passports.
No, he didn't.
He had a fraudulent pass to the Trump rally.
No, he didn't.
alex jones
I mean, they're using anything they can to create fear.
So, Roger, let's start getting to the Brett Bear clubs here.
dan friesen
So, Alex is pretty quick to jump off that subject there.
And there's a pretty good reason.
So, do you know about Vem Miller?
jordan holmes
I know nothing about Vem Miller.
dan friesen
Vem Miller.
jordan holmes
Vem Miller.
dan friesen
This is a guy who got arrested at Coachella.
At the Coachella rally outside the Coachella rally.
jordan holmes
We're just putting stank on all our words now.
dan friesen
You kind of have to.
So Alex wants to jump off this subject pretty quickly because it's a little bit embarrassing.
Yeah.
This was another assassination attempt against Trump that went bad because as it was being reported by people like Chase Geyser, which we'll listen to in a minute, they were, you know, they're reporting this as like, oh, no, the globalists tried to kill Trump again.
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It unfortunately came out that the guy who got arrested is a right-wing talk show host.
Sure.
And has been on InfoWars and is pretty cool.
Has a lot of mutual friends with Alex.
And so they had to switch pretty hard.
They had to pivot this story pretty fast.
And so Alex doesn't want to deal with this.
He doesn't want Roger bringing this up.
Yeah.
Because it's embarrassing.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's pretty embarrassing.
dan friesen
So I thought we would go back and experience a little bit of this.
jordan holmes
I enjoy it.
dan friesen
Because this story actually jumped off when Chase was hosting.
So on Sunday's show on the 13th, there was news breaking of this potential assassin.
chase geiser
Apparently, a third Trump assassination attempt was thwarted when armed man arrested outside Coachella rally.
Sheriff says this was a story that broke on the New York Post.
Drew Hernandez did a great job of breaking this on Twitter as well, which is where it first came to our attention.
Now, the only thing that bothers me about this headline, of course, is that I think this was actually the fourth attempt, at least the fourth attempt, because everyone seems to forget about what happened in Tucson with the rally where 20 people had to seek medical care sitting right behind Trump on stage for what appeared to be some sort of a chemical attack or a laser attack, basically blinding several of them, some of them severely, some of them even perhaps permanently.
Trump fortunately was not affected, but it does seem like there was some sort of specific attempt to harm the president at the Tucson rally, which I think counted as the third.
But now we have this fourth attempt, or what the officials are going to refer to as the third attempt outside of Coachella.
I'm told, based on some of the reports that I see, we're waiting for more details to come in as the story, of course, just broke today, that this person had a high-capacity magazine, which, of course, would be illegal in the state of California.
I lived in California for several years.
Unfortunately, it was a dark time in my life.
And I specifically remember having to abandon my high-capacity, high-capacity magazines for my Glock 19.
dan friesen
Is that why it was a dark time?
So, yeah, you have Chase very much not getting the message that we're supposed to forget about that Tucson thing.
That was a dud.
No one bought the chemical attack thing.
We're going to pretend we didn't do that because it kind of takes away the whole credibility of us talking about the next assassination attempt.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
There's a whole crying wolf thing.
Right.
jordan holmes
We're definitely not going to take responsibility for the whole poisoning his Coke thing from way back when.
dan friesen
No.
Coca-Cola, Diet Coke.
jordan holmes
Yeah, we're on like assassination.
dan friesen
Imonium poisoning.
jordan holmes
We're on like a thousand assassination attempts.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
So we pretend a lot of that stuff doesn't happen in order to keep the ground ready for play.
jordan holmes
Yeah, off to the next one.
dan friesen
And so Chase doesn't understand that.
No.
And he's eager because this is how you should be reporting news of someone getting arrested with a gun near a Trump rally if you're on InfoWars.
Right.
Of course.
Strike.
The iron's hot.
unidentified
It's what you do.
dan friesen
So Chase goes on.
chase geiser
But I will say that a high-capacity magazine is not something that one may come by very often in California, regardless of what the law is today, because of what the law has been for so many years up until this point.
And it seems like between the Ryan Ralphs and the Thomas Crookes and the Lee Harvey Oswalds and others and this gentleman right here, I assume, gentlemen, that there is an MKUltra psychological operation being conducted right before our eyes where the deep state hopes that they can trigger any number of random lunatics throughout the United States of America to behave in a reckless and violent way toward former President Donald Trump.
dan friesen
It's a safe assumption for Chase to be making.
It makes complete sense.
jordan holmes
I mean, if there wasn't an MKUltra program happening right now, what other explanation could there possibly be?
dan friesen
I don't know.
Also, I like the idea of the Ryan Rouths, the Thomas Crooks, and the Lee Harvey Oswald.
What's he been doing lately?
unidentified
Yeah, you know, two of those pretty currents.
dan friesen
Another one a little bit in the past.
jordan holmes
His later work has dropped off, but his early stuff, it still sticks around.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So Chase is stupid.
Two of the things that he's already implied from him talking.
Well, I mean, one is not an implication.
It's just, I saw this because Drew Hernandez posted it on Twitter.
Right.
So you're already like, oh, this is how we are sourcing information.
unidentified
Right, right.
dan friesen
And then the second, the assumption part that he's making is like he has a high-capacity magazine, and that's suspicious.
Right.
Shouldn't be for you.
jordan holmes
No.
dan friesen
You're gun people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
That should not be something that is a mark of any kind of this guy's up to no good.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
You should think that that's what I would say.
jordan holmes
Right.
Well, if I understand him correctly, right.
California is awful because I had to get rid of my high-capacity magazine there.
dan friesen
Darkest time of his life.
jordan holmes
Bad.
But also, if I were in Texas with a high-capacity magazine, that is worthy of suspicion because I'm probably doing something.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I mean, I think that based on, I think, yeah, probably.
I mean, look, they're just opportunistic.
Right.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
But it's opportunism against their own stated principle, which is that guns are cool and it's never suspicious to have a gun.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it feels like they've found themselves twisting so much they're locked in a pretzel.
dan friesen
Mm-hmm.
And so Chase salts that pretzel by talking more about this globalist assassination plot.
jordan holmes
Interesting.
chase geiser
And our man was arrested Saturday outside former President Donald Trump's MAGA rally in Coachella, California, after he allegedly said he wanted to kill the president.
Riverside County Sheriff Chad Bianco told the Epic Times that his department arrested a man who was in possession of two firearms outside the perimeter of Trump's event in Coachella, 130 miles east of Los Angeles.
Saying again, we arrested a man trying to get in the perimeter with two firearms who ended up saying that he was going to kill the president.
Bianco told the outlet, adding, the individual was carrying fraudulent VIP and media passes at the rally checkpoint.
And they say this is the third attempt, but we know it's the fourth if we count what happened in Tucson.
I don't want to beat a dead horse or belabor the point, but the fact of the matter is the leftists, the Democrats, the globalists have failed the American people so abundantly over the course of the last several years that the population of the American nation has become abundantly populist in and of itself.
It realizes that our problems are no longer right versus left, but the people versus the political class.
And so they have to resort to assassinating their political opponents because they cannot beat them in fair elections.
They can't even beat them in rigged elections because support for Donald Trump is officially too big to rig.
dan friesen
Yeah, too big to rig.
So this is a good way to respond to the story for InfoWars.
And everything would have gone totally fine if it hadn't been for the fact that Vem Miller is a right-wing guy who has his own internet show and all this stuff.
So it turned out to be like, ah, fuck.
Fuck, we could have run with this.
It's another guy getting arrested with guns.
If maybe he had been to Ukraine or was somehow convenient for us, we could really run with this.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
But we can't.
But Chase doesn't know that.
jordan holmes
I feel like this is maybe a stupid question to ask.
Did he actually say he was going to assassinate the president?
Or was he just arrested because he looked like he was that kind of guy?
dan friesen
He was arrested at a checkpoint.
And I don't believe he said that.
There are some things that the sheriff said that were misinterpreted.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
Perhaps, let's say.
But I do not believe that he ever said, I was going to kill Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't think he said that, but you never, like, you never know.
It's 2024.
dan friesen
I think that some of the stuff that the sheriff said can lead to sensational reporting.
Sure.
And I think that most of the media did not jump on this and like another assassination attack.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure, sure.
dan friesen
A lot of folks said guy with gun arrested at checkpoint because that's what happened.
Right, right.
You know, a lot of the mainer stream news, let's say the dinosaur media, a lot of them reported it as a guy at a checkpoint with God.
jordan holmes
Makes sense.
dan friesen
Whereas someone like Chase jumps on air and says this is probably an MKUltra operation.
This is the fourth time they tried to kill him with that chemical attack.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And so they got a little irresponsible with it and then needed to reel it in because it was one of their buddies.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so the next day, on the 14th, Harrison Smith is on the American Journal.
And he's trying to, you know, maybe we got to backpedal on this thing a little bit.
harrison smith
I guess you have a view of gradations of assassination attempts.
On one end of the spectrum is a shooter firing at Donald Trump and hitting his ear with a bullet, right?
There's like, okay, that's an assassination attempt.
When the bullet grazes the intended target, that's an assassination attempt.
When some guy is caught with guns vaguely close to a rally, that's way on the other end of the spectrum.
And I can't remember exactly what Owen said on X, but it was something like, you know, this guy seems like a right-winger, and he probably has pictures with other right-wingers.
And so there's probably people out there right now going, this guy's an assassin who have pictures with this guy.
So that's not going to look good when you're pictured cozying up with who you are calling an attempted assassin.
jordan holmes
Maybe we should reflect on that and it's larger.
unidentified
Never mind, we're going to be able to do it.
jordan holmes
Never mind, my bad.
harrison smith
The man, Vim Miller, was intercepted by police at a checkpoint about half a mile from an entrance to the rally at Coachella Valley, California, soon before it began.
Soon before it began, police said Sunday.
Soon before it began.
Am I having a stroke?
It's like, you know, like I read this story already.
It was not until you were reading it out loud that you're like, what happened to what happened to the press?
What is going on here?
So I'm sorry, does this sentence make any sense to anybody else?
He was intercepted by police at a checkpoint about half a mile from an entrance to the rally in Coachella Valley, California soon before it began, police said Sunday.
Okay, great.
Police said Miller was carrying a loaded shotgun, handgun, and high-capacity magazine and is believed to be a member of a right-wing anti-government organization.
My goodness.
He booked for possessing a loaded firearm and high-capacity magazine and was released after posting a $5,000 bail, police records show.
The incident did not impact the safety of former President Trump or the attendees of the event.
The Riverside County Sheriff's Office said in a police report, police release, the Secret Service put out a statement saying it was apprised of the arrest, saying the incident did not impact protective operations.
The Secret Service extends its gratitude to the deputies and local partners who assisted safeguarding last night's events.
The U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles said in a statement on Sunday that while Trump was not in danger, the statement added that while no federal arrest had been made, an investigation was ongoing.
Chad Bianco, Riverside County Sheriff, said in a press conference on Sunday that Miller was plotting to kill Trump, but acknowledged that was speculation.
What we do know is that he showed up with multiple passports and different names, an unregistered vehicle with a fake license plate and loaded firearms, the sheriff said at a news conference on Sunday afternoon.
We do not know whether he was an assassin.
Any claims of an attempted assassination is pure speculation at this point.
What we can tell you for sure is that the man was based.
The man clearly was based and probably fun at parties.
I don't know.
I don't know.
It just sounds like I would.
Look, all I'm from what I know so far, I kind of want to be friends with him.
I don't know.
Multiple passports and different things.
jordan holmes
Everybody can reflect on that.
harrison smith
It's large and loaded files.
jordan holmes
Okay, never mind.
harrison smith
Sounds like a fun Sunday afternoon to me.
dan friesen
What a fucking dork.
Ah, man.
Sounds cool.
So this is such an interesting way for the ball to break because Owen does make a great point with this tweet that Harrison is reflecting on.
It's like, oh, hey, we know this guy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
Let's not pretend this one's an assassination or else it's going to look weird for us.
Right.
Too many questions to answer.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Let's back off on this one.
Yeah.
And then loaded guns, driving around, fake identification, all that stuff.
Sounds based.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Okay, man.
jordan holmes
I mean, okay.
Now, I will say this.
It is more cool to have a fake license plate than to have a regular license plate, just by the virtue of coolness rules, right?
But that does not make people fun at parties.
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
Usually, those people are very exhausting at parties and more fun to talk about whenever they get into trouble and you're never going to believe what happened to this guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Let me tell you a story about this guy who is not fun at parties, but it is a great time to talk about him.
dan friesen
The legend.
jordan holmes
The legend.
dan friesen
Ironically.
Yeah, I mean, I get it.
I get it.
We're trying to be like, this guy is actually cool.
Sure, sure.
So, you know, Harrison's doing an all right job of this.
But if it hadn't been somebody who was very clearly a part of their media ecosystem, then they would have, this would not be happening.
jordan holmes
Oh, they would have cannibalized him in a heartbeat.
unidentified
Yes.
dan friesen
Yeah.
So a caller wants to tell Harrison about how this guy has his own show and stuff.
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
And so it's probably a setup.
jordan holmes
It's probably a setup.
tim in seattle
So Fim Miller, apparently, this is a big misunderstanding.
The sheriff made a mistake.
He's been released on bail.
He's already put out a statement.
Ivan Ranklin, who I would assume is a Trump supporter, and National File, who also I assume are Trump supporters, are already posting links exonerating Vim.
I just was hoping that you guys could cover this and kind of just put some clarity to the issue because they don't think that Vim is the type of person to try to assassinate Trump.
I've been on his show twice.
I was on his show last month.
harrison smith
Oh, wow.
tim in seattle
He didn't seem like the type.
So, yeah, he's got a podcast called Blood Money.
Talented, smart individual.
He's a patriot.
And so it sounds like a setup.
It sounds like as if they were just looking for some hype and some sensationalism.
Maybe jump the gun, but hopefully you guys can figure it out.
harrison smith
Yeah, and maybe just, you know, like sort of being like too hyper-vigilant where they're blowing up this thing that was really nothing.
And so then next time it happens, people go, ah, well, it's just happening again.
You know, maybe tomorrow it'll be another Trump assassination attempt and turns out not to be real.
And then when a real assassination attempt happens, everybody just sort of shrugs because we keep hearing it over and over.
It's like the boy who cried wolf.
jordan holmes
Are you fucking with me?
harrison smith
It's very interesting.
Apparently he made a documentary that he released on October 4th called Bundy versus the Deep State, the murder of Mike Little.
So people are speculating that he's being set up because he was exposing what happened with the Bundy Ranch.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's okay.
That's a way to try and make this interesting.
But like, you know, your response of, is he fucking with you, is so like deserved because the indictment is of themselves.
They like the sensationalizing the boy who cried wolf is your behavior.
You're talking about InfoWars behavior.
Chase last night couldn't stop himself from getting on air and talking about how this is an MKUltra fourth attempted assassination attempt.
jordan holmes
Good God.
dan friesen
He is the boy who cried Wolf, and now you're realizing that it looks embarrassing and you can't sustain this one.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
So it's everyone's fault but his own.
jordan holmes
It's so weird.
It's so weird when they do this.
I just don't understand.
Just plow forward.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Just go for who fucking cares.
Fuck this guy.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
You don't care.
You don't like the guy.
You don't know him and he's going to be useless to you in five seconds.
dan friesen
Yeah.
What did you do with the Tucson one?
You mostly ignore it and Chase is accidentally bringing it up some.
jordan holmes
Yeah, just move on.
dan friesen
Pretend to happen.
Yeah, who cares?
jordan holmes
Who cares about Vem Miller?
Why would you even allow people to bring up exactly what you do as a criticism for you doing it?
dan friesen
Well, I think that Vem might be connected.
jordan holmes
Well, yeah, I guess if Ivan, if our deputy of retribution over here.
dan friesen
Secretary.
jordan holmes
Yeah, sure.
dan friesen
And National File is saying that he's cool, which is a company that Alex owns.
His other website.
jordan holmes
Pass.
dan friesen
So they're all saying he's cool.
jordan holmes
Fine.
dan friesen
Also, he apparently knows Pete Santilli and he's hooked in with the Bundy Ranch people.
So there is a decent chance that maybe he has some sort of a way that he could hurt Alex.
Yeah.
Maybe he's connected to some people closer than Alex even is in some orbits.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
So we're not a huge show, but we're a made man, if you will.
dan friesen
Yeah, it's possible that Alex has some clout or cred that could be threatened by not giving a correction in this case.
You know, like journalists do when they, let's say, defame the families and loved ones of murdered children.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
So I think that he's going above and beyond in terms of correcting the record of feel a little unusual.
To the point where, on the 14th, Alex has Vem Miller on his show.
jordan holmes
Really?
alex jones
The headlines ran over the weekend.
There was a third assassination attempt against President Trump.
Fourth.
And because the media tried to cover up the first and the second one, I thought, well, that's possible that it could have actually been one.
But it turns out that people I know really well know this fellow really well, and they say that it's all just a false alarm.
And he's going to be joining us coming up here in about six, seven, eight minutes.
Armed man, Vim Miller, arrested outside Trump Coachella rally.
His local sheriff insists it was a third assassination attempt despite letting Perp walk on meager $5,000 bail.
Well, I know a lot of people that know this guy who I know are good people like Pete Santelli.
They know him well.
They say it's pure crap.
So we're going to get Vim Miller 49 popping in on the show to clarify this.
And that's good news.
I'm glad it wasn't another assassination attempt and I'm glad that it was a false alarm.
But you really can't blame folks in this climate for that situation.
dan friesen
Yeah, you can.
You can't blame people for sensationalizing bullshit.
jordan holmes
It's totally your fault.
dan friesen
Yep.
You did this to yourself.
jordan holmes
It's your fault.
You did it.
dan friesen
Yep.
You're cleaning up your own mess and then claiming that someone else made a mess.
jordan holmes
How do you not apportion blame to when a thing happens?
dan friesen
Because that is impossible.
jordan holmes
Fair enough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It's impossible to ever know who really sensationalized this story.
dan friesen
We may never know.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's very, yeah.
dan friesen
I mean, the sheriff could be more careful, obviously.
Sure.
That's certainly a criticism that's in there.
Oftentimes, with a lot of the comms that come from police departments and stuff, there's imperfect messaging, let's say.
But then beyond that, this is like Alex, his own companies doing this sensationalizing and being a part of it, dancing around in it, and then being like, oh, no.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I just.
dan friesen
NBC did this.
MSNBC, CNN did this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this is just.
You're right.
It has to be something else because this doesn't really make sense to me.
You either eat it or you move on.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
You know, you just go, eh, fuck it.
We fucked up or you move on.
Who cares?
dan friesen
But Chase is doing this shit on the Sunday show.
It's so easy to ignore.
jordan holmes
Yeah, nobody's paying attention.
dan friesen
It's got to be something like Pete Santilli called him and was like, dude, what the fuck?
jordan holmes
Yeah, because he doesn't sound happy to be talking to Veb Miller.
dan friesen
It's not a celebration.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
Nor is he like happy that it wasn't an assassination attempt.
He sounds very bummed.
dan friesen
An assassination attempt would be more convenient for his narratives because the proboscis, the Great List proboscis, is back.
jordan holmes
He would prefer to be shitting all over Veb Miller right now.
That's what his ideal state would be.
dan friesen
I think so.
I think so.
And yeah, I don't know exactly what could possibly.
jordan holmes
It could be anything.
dan friesen
It makes me think of like, you know, in those emails that were turned over as part of the Sandy Hook case, there are internal emails between people about like, hey, there's something about a guy I know in the comments.
They're making an accusation about him.
Can you delete that comment?
And they're willing to do that for their group of buddies and stuff.
Whereas that courtesy is not extended to other people.
So I think that it's entirely possible.
This is a Bundy guy.
He's hooked up.
We'll do him a solid.
jordan holmes
What a bunch of weirdos.
What a bunch of weirdos.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we jump back to the 17th.
Sure.
And Alex is in a severe mood.
That's for sure.
alex jones
Build is reporting.
You can read the article.
And of course, they've leaked this on purpose out of NATO.
That NATO officials, high-level, have told Build, so they want the Russians to know, that Ukraine has nuclear reactors, Ukraine has scientists, and Ukraine is weeks away from having atomic bombs.
And Ukraine might use atomic bombs on Russia.
Boy, that's quite a headline.
Because that's really what it should read.
Not German news publication claims Ukraine could have nuclear weapons within weeks.
Germany's most respected news publication reports, according to high-level NATO officials.
The headline is globalists threaten Russia with nuclear-armed Ukraine in greatest nuclear war escalation in human history.
Or you have another headline that actually approaches the dire things.
External, ultra-urgent, Armageddon, flirting, nuclear conflagration, pushing, satanic behavior.
I mean, words don't even approach it.
It's just so first, we're going to rain missiles down on you.
Brunch is like, we'll go to nuclear war.
And they just like, well, we're not going to start the nuclear war, but Ukraine might.
That way, they have plausible historical deniability.
Wow.
So I was saying the last three weeks, since five weeks ago, when they escalated right up to the verge, Russia said, fine, we'll start attacking NATO targets if you hit us with any conventional weapons inside Russia, any conventional heavy weapons, and target our military bases.
And I saw them starting, oh, maybe we'll make a deal.
And Zelensky over met with Trump, and I saw a lot of signs that maybe they were coming up for air, leveling up towards sanity.
unidentified
No, no, no.
alex jones
I didn't say they were becoming sane.
I said I was seeing some signs of it, and then I was hopeful.
Well, this is not hopeful.
dan friesen
This is not hopeful.
So that build story that Alex is talking about has no concrete sources, and the Ukrainian government has come out and repudiated it and said it's not true.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
What happened here is that Zelensky spoke to the European Council last week, and in his speech, he mentioned that he told Trump that in order to preserve his country, he would need to join NATO or become a nuclear country.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
There's no timeframe for when he said this to Trump, and the clear message he was sending is: we want to be in NATO.
It was not that I want nukes.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It was the security guarantees.
Right.
jordan holmes
I would like the power of nukes without having to have the responsibility of nukes.
dan friesen
Ukraine is a country that has a solid record in terms of being on the side of nuclear non-proliferation.
So it really doesn't make a lot of sense that they would all of a sudden just start making nuclear bombs.
Zelensky used this as a way of illustrating how existential the need to join NATO was for Ukraine.
And now it's being spun by all the expected folk to tell their fun stories.
But just to be up to date and as clear as possible, the proboscis is out.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
It is extended.
And Alex is not euphoric anymore.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
This is the opposite of euphoria.
jordan holmes
Man, I have been having a rough, you know, it's vibration.
You know, he's vibrating real fast, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
dan friesen
It's a lot.
jordan holmes
It's a lot.
I like an even keel kind of thing, you know?
Not this.
dan friesen
This proboscis is going.
It's like a jackhammer.
jordan holmes
Whatever control room is inside the head of whatever mechanized insect we're describing here, that is chaos.
dan friesen
It is.
Yeah.
So we got some headlines.
I think some pretty important news about lip reading.
alex jones
There's an article up on Infowars.com by a renowned lip reader.
Biden and Obama in that exchange were saying we're totally screwed.
She's not strong.
What are we going to do?
Obama says there's still time.
We can still, you know, win.
That's a pretty big article up on Infowars.com.
Now listen to this.
You've seen the videos, men, women, you name it, where they'll be praying across the street, caddy corner from an abortion clinic, praying silently, and they get arrested.
But now they've got the first known conviction of thought crime in modern British history.
The guilty man, a veteran, was spotted praying silently for his dead son outside an abortion clinic.
Prison sentence.
Because you say, oh, well, why do we care what happens in the UK or the EU?
Because it's global.
dan friesen
It's global.
So this show is just stupid.
Alex is not even trying.
Lip reading nonsense.
I don't even care.
jordan holmes
I don't know what to do with it.
dan friesen
So the man in the UK wasn't arrested for praying or for his thoughts.
In 2014, the Anti-Social Behavior, Crime, and Policing Act was passed in the UK, part of which contained rules that have an area around British pregnancy advice service locations.
They make that area around them a safe zone where you couldn't protest due to harassment concerns.
In 2022, this rule was invoked around a particular clinic, and a guy named Adam Smith Connor decided to test within the safe zone anyway.
He was warned multiple times, and he was aware that he was, in effect, trespassing, and he didn't care.
He ended up getting arrested and fined about £9,000 and two years' probation.
Alex is lying, saying that he went to jail.
I think that what this guy is doing is annoying, harassing, and I disagree with him entirely, but it's kind of the spirit of protest.
He cares enough about praying performatively right outside an abortion clinic that he can't abide by the safe zone, and he's taking the consequences of that upon himself as the protest.
That's part of this.
jordan holmes
Yeah, when you have a sit-in, they don't want you to sit there.
dan friesen
Yeah, and that's the statement that you're making by doing it anyway.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And that's fine.
It just becomes unacceptable when you have people like Alex pretending that he got arrested for something other than what he did.
His protest or prayer has zero to do with anything that got him in trouble.
It was just that he wasn't allowed to be inside that safe zone.
If Alex is opposed to that, then that's fine.
And we can have a conversation about whether or not there should be safe zones.
But it's a losing strategy to even engage with the idea that this guy was arrested for thought crimes.
It's a fraudulent framing of the story.
And if you engage with it, even to try to debunk or correct it, you've already kind of lost.
And Alex specializes in shit like that, where it's like, even playing around with this is you've lost.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Is this or is this not a thought crime?
You're off the wrong foot.
Don't even.
Who cares?
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
It would be better if he was a one-man band.
All of us.
That's my final answer for.
dan friesen
Do you mean Alex or this protester?
unidentified
Alex.
Oh.
jordan holmes
I think it would be better if he was a one-man band.
No, I think I meant the protester originally.
That makes more sense.
I got a little mixed up there.
No, it'd be more fun.
dan friesen
So the protester who's inside the safe zone of an abortion clinic should be a one-man band.
jordan holmes
Yeah, because then you're like, oh, prayer is bad.
No.
No, sir.
No.
So that's my new rule.
If you are going to be in those protest zones, it's already going to be harassment.
But now you have to be a one-man band.
So nobody can blame you for it being about prayer or anything like that.
It's always about being the band.
dan friesen
Do you propose this same policy for like sit-ins, like climate change?
Absolutely.
Okay.
jordan holmes
It'd be amazing.
dan friesen
I think it would be tough to sync up the symbols.
jordan holmes
Oh, it'd be tough.
dan friesen
Yeah.
unidentified
It'd be real hard.
dan friesen
100 one-person bands.
jordan holmes
It'd be a lot of noise.
It'd be a real noisy area.
dan friesen
So in this next clip, Alex, I think he just rants a little bit about how he would kill a mugger.
And then I just think that the message that he's trying to send is, everyone thinks I'm weird, but I would have been normal in the past.
And I think that's a sad thought.
alex jones
I've been on there 30-plus years.
And I read the books and the publications written by presidents, prime ministers, think tank heads about the hellish world they were going to build.
And I saw that much of what they said they would build previously, they got done.
So I said, I'm going to fight these people.
Humanity doesn't need to be slaves.
We don't need to go along with this.
I don't believe humanity will want to be controlled by these monsters and depopulated.
That's not a very hard decision to make.
But people are like, I don't choose to believe these bad things are happening.
That's gloom and dim.
I got a bowling league to go to.
I got a golf game to play.
You don't think I don't love golf?
You don't think I love to bowl?
You don't think I don't love the bass fish?
You don't think I don't love to hunt dove?
You don't think I don't love to hunt elk?
You don't think I don't love, love to hunt hogs out of a helicopter?
You don't think I don't love to play pool?
You don't think I don't love to go out on a boat and drink beer?
Oh, I love it.
I can do it all day long, real easy.
But see, if I'm out in a parking lot walking out of a restaurant with my family and some mugger walks up and puts a gun to my head, well, I've got to deal with that.
And instinctively, I'm going to feign that he's in control.
I'm going to grab the gun, force it up, squeeze it out of his hand, and then I'm going to jump on top of him in one purposeful move with the decision and intent to kill him.
And I'm going to ram his head full power in the concrete.
And then five more times, I'm going to slam it with intention and feel the skull break because I have got will.
unidentified
Die, Sure.
alex jones
Now, you have will too, not to just beat somebody's brains out, but to wake up and decide you're under attack and admit you're under attack and then not put up with it politically, culturally, spiritually, and then fire up against these people.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
So, you're under attack.
You like it?
You like being pissed all over and crapped all over?
You like these damn pedophiles around everything?
You think your ancestors would like what's going on?
What the hell's going on out there?
If I went to some stupid football game and painted myself up in the team's colors and yell and scream like that, bitch, that's a good American.
But I get fired up about trying to stop World War III and it's weird.
And that's why we're screwed up.
But if I was around 150 years ago and the people then could see what was going on, they'd be acting crazier than me.
But we've gotten domesticated.
I didn't give the number down.
I'm an idiot.
So let's take a few calls.
Here's the toll-free number.
dan friesen
Yeah, let's take some calls.
jordan holmes
What's going on out there?
I think that's the most relatable thing I've heard him say in my entire life.
Because I often feel like, hey, what's going on out there?
dan friesen
I think what's going on in there.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I don't want to know what's going on in there.
dan friesen
So, I mean, obviously, murder fantasies tend to get to Alex.
She sometimes gets lost in them a little bit.
Yeah.
But when you I think that my vision of demons involves unhinged screaming, snarling, grunting.
Sure.
Everything that Alex is embodying, honestly, has more archetype connections to like a demon.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know if he realizes that.
jordan holmes
Almost a level of breath that has brimstone through the auditory sounds, you know?
Like you can feel the brimstone in your headphones.
dan friesen
Yeah, this doesn't have an angelic feel.
jordan holmes
No, usually associated with harps, calming music.
dan friesen
Or beating someone's head into the ground until they die.
jordan holmes
Generally associated with hellish kind of circumstances.
dan friesen
I believe that Alex said that if he was walking in a parking lot with his family.
Yeah.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
And I understand the need to protect your family.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I understand that entirely.
Sure.
But I think that his kids might be horribly traumatized by him smashing someone's head in front of them.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
When he's already subdued, that's what I'm saying.
jordan holmes
Especially if they're already unarmed, incapacitated.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Have to assume he's letting out a war cry while he's doing it.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah.
dan friesen
Like you see your dad murder.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I imagine that in his mind, he then tears the man's throat out with his teeth.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Come, children, we see him.
jordan holmes
They get howling at the moon like a fucking beast.
dan friesen
Yes.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like that's too much.
jordan holmes
Over a wallet.
Worth it.
dan friesen
Well, look, I understand the self-defense.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
It can justify making.
jordan holmes
Panicky, what are you going to do?
unidentified
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Heat of the moment.
dan friesen
This is a person who's describing a methodical intention.
This is not heat of the moment.
This is, I am going to use this as an excuse to murder somebody in front of my family in a grisly and grotesque fashion.
He's messed up.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I imagine, like, my wife likes to watch the serial killer documentaries about serial killers and how they serial kill people.
And oftentimes when they're describing how they would go about their serial killing, it would have a very similar vibe of like, if a person walks up into this direction, then I will do this thing to them.
Then I will take them to this place and these things will also occur.
And this is all because of a deep-seated need within me that I can't fix anywhere else.
Yeah.
dan friesen
I guess the difference between the two is that Alex has like this thin justification of I'm being mugged.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And so that's why all of this is okay.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
Yeah.
The distance between him and a serial killer is both, well, I mean, in talking shit.
And also not very far.
unidentified
Nah.
dan friesen
Nah.
So we get some calls.
What kind of serial killer takes calls?
jordan holmes
That's a good question.
That is a good question.
dan friesen
So this one guy is like, we should all get CB radios.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I'm listening.
dan friesen
Yeah, fine, whatever.
But Alex's response is interesting.
unidentified
Okay.
alex jones
Brian in Minnesota.
You're on the air worldwide.
Thanks for calling.
unidentified
It's an honor, Daleks.
I've been a software and hardware engineer for decades, and I think that one of the most important things right now is communication.
Obviously, we can see how they've been trying to break that down during COVID-19, etc.
Communication is the thing that they fear most.
I think that we should all be setting up at the very least, practically, CB radio systems, but there's also the capability of using software-defined radio.
Everybody can do this.
I can send you the open source code and the schematics where we can set up neighborhood-based communication sectors, which can allow neighbors to communicate if everything gets shut off.
And this can be run on solar power or any kind of renewable energy, even a crankshaft.
So I think it's essential that we all set up communication systems to be ready to be able to communicate with each other.
And if martial law were to break out, to keep reminding our neighbors, do not play into the trap of civil unrest.
alex jones
Absolutely.
And then when illegal aliens loot your house and you fight back, they're going to say, white man murders innocent Hispanics.
They create the crisis.
dan friesen
What?
unidentified
What?
dan friesen
Hold on.
Why is that how you respond to what this guy is saying?
It's a little out of left field.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Just throw in some racism and where else are you going to put it?
Justifiable racist violence fantasies.
Yep.
I didn't like that because I kind of, you know, when you listen to Alex's show, there's a lot of just trash.
Yeah.
Not people.
I'm not calling people trash, but just content is trash.
The ideas are trash.
Yeah.
But this guy is coming with something that I kind of enjoy.
You know, like, obviously, I don't think that they're going to take down the communication grid.
I don't believe these fantasies and this paranoia, but it's a fun hobby.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And like, you know, maybe having a CB radio with your buddy down the block or whatever.
I think that's kind of fun.
jordan holmes
I think it's great.
Yeah.
As far as like, we've heard a lot of bad ideas.
And this guy, I'm sure he is sharing a lot of those bad ideas.
This is fine.
This is a great, fine thing.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And so what he's bringing to the table is a kind of fun, let's find a way to get crank radios and we can contact each other.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's like little kids with walking.
jordan holmes
I was just thinking the same thing.
I was like, oh, let's put two cups on a string.
We'll talk to our neighbors.
We'll have a grand time.
dan friesen
And then Alex's response to that is like, oh, when you kill these immigrants, they're going to blame you and say it was a white guy.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
What?
No.
We just want to talk on our cup phone, man.
What is wrong with you?
dan friesen
Something is wrong.
jordan holmes
You are not allowed in the treehouse.
dan friesen
Yeah, I'd kick him out.
jordan holmes
Yeah, for sure.
dan friesen
So Alex wants to do his show every day, but he can't because he has to desperately chase money.
He has to chase money around everywhere.
jordan holmes
Man.
alex jones
We're talking about 26 days.
Hell, it's really 25 now.
Trying to broadcast every day.
I said I was going to do an emergency Saturday show because I want to broadcast every day, but I've got to run around behind the scenes and build infrastructure and get Energon cubes.
That's all money is to me, is energy to do the right thing.
And we're working on getting the Energon cubes.
And I just have this instinctive spiritual understanding that I should not just maintain under attack, that I've been wrong in only trying to maintain.
Because when you maintain, you get ground down and actually get reversed.
No.
Shoot for the moon.
Go all the way.
Swing for the fences.
Total commitment.
And so I pledge to you to intensify the energy and focus, to intensify the broadcast, to intensify the mission, to intensify the truth.
To intensify.
And we are intensifying, intensifying, raising to the challenge.
Just like that great song, I of the Tiger.
Let's come in at 6 Avenue with Eye of the Tiger.
Rising up to the challenge, folks.
dan friesen
I think he might have done some stimulants during a break or something because his vibe shifts pretty hard.
jordan holmes
Intensify.
Just like that song, I of the Tiger.
Let's come on back.
We're going to come back to it.
I have the Tiger, ladies and gentlemen.
dan friesen
Yeah, he's got a different vibe.
Weird.
So, yeah, I think that you can still get in trouble for fraud if you just call things Energon Cubes.
Like, the Transformers aren't going to save you from court.
jordan holmes
I mean, I don't know.
Have we talked to Starscream about their legal strategy yet?
Because I have heard that Starscream is one of the best lawyers in this country.
Now, I don't know if it's legal to practice in Texas, though.
That might be our main issue here.
dan friesen
Yeah, the bar.
jordan holmes
Right, right, right.
dan friesen
I think that Alex shouldn't be saying, like, I'm in the background making infrastructure and stuff like that, because it's kind of exactly what he's not supposed to do.
Yeah.
And Energon Cubes.
Just sad.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it does sometimes feel like we are at a bank sitting here with a loan officer, just at a regular old bank, sitting here with a loan officer, talking about how maybe we want to set up a small business and, you know, we need some help.
And all the while in the background, there is a man just stealing money from all of the places where you can steal money.
And we're both all like, hey, that man is stealing your money.
dan friesen
But he's also discussing it very loudly.
jordan holmes
He's talking to the other tellers about how he's taking their money from them.
And they're like, we love giving you money.
This is so great.
And we're like, no, that man should not be stealing your money.
And the loan officer says, you guys are annoying.
And that's the end of our show.
dan friesen
I'm going to steal all your shit and make a competing bank.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
Hey, man, that seems like a great idea.
We'll invest in that bank.
dan friesen
I'm going to make another bank politically.
jordan holmes
Oh, great.
dan friesen
What are you talking about?
jordan holmes
I think that's a great idea.
That'll save everybody some time.
dan friesen
So we got one last clip here, and it's another caller, and it is just makes me sad.
Makes me real sad.
Uh-oh.
The world.
What a world.
unidentified
Hey, Alex.
Me and the kids have been doing time capsules, and we decided to put a Bible in it and the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
And I was thinking it'd be kind of cool if you sold one that had at least a summary of your archives and stuff, you know, to preserve for the future.
dan friesen
Oh, yeah.
alex jones
Well, the Democrats say that they're going to own all that and ban it all.
Literal digital book burning.
But you guys, my stuff's everywhere.
It's all free to air.
It's always been free.
You've always owned it.
No matter what they say, they'll never be able to block you.
Everybody, whoever's got the capabilities, go download InfoWars.
Upload your own version.
It's free to the public.
All my films, all my material, everything.
It's all yours.
unidentified
Yeah, it would just be kind of cool for me to see something like that in your market and buy a time capsule ready to go.
alex jones
Well, absolutely.
And that's something that we've been working on.
So you read my mind.
dan friesen
So we got a time capsule.
Another thing that's kind of cute, like this guy and his kid working on a time capsule, that's sweet and fun, parent-child kind of stuff.
And you have the Bible.
You have the Constitution.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
And then you have Alex's dumbass.
alex jones
Sure.
dan friesen
It's such a bummer, the idea that something quaint like a bonding parent-child time capsule experience can also involve this dumb shit.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's just, it doesn't feel right.
jordan holmes
That is, that would be such a wild fucking day.
Imagining an Egyptologist, you know, like digging up Tootin Commons tomb, pulling out all this jewelry and shit, and then there's like a pamphlet for how evil fucking the vizier is written by Dick Bagmage.
Like, what kind of day is that?
Where you're like, oh, yeah, well, I guess this guy was also an asshole.
dan friesen
That is, that is such an interesting question of like, if the work of cranks lived on, right?
How would history ever deal with unreliable narrators and just habitual liars?
jordan holmes
Hieroglyphics would look so much wilder if there was just a bunch of MK Ultra demons fighting against pharaohs who are actually angels dressed up like birds.
dan friesen
Oh, so I'm looking over the fossil record.
I found the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Okay, so there's one.
What I'm reading here is that the proboscis has been pulled back.
Wait, wait, wait.
jordan holmes
No, no, no, no.
It appears that the proboscis has been extended again.
dan friesen
You did not read the next piece of the scroll.
So dumb.
Such a bummer.
jordan holmes
What's that untranslatable language, linear B or whatever it is?
Something like that.
If you do translate it, it turns out to just be Alex rebroadcasts.
That's what it is.
dan friesen
Yeah.
And there's a part of me that realizes that this is a great thing for Alex to do.
Yeah.
Because you can make a curated version of yourself and then pretend that is what goes in the time capsule or whatever.
In the same way that he has this edited clip of himself from before 9-11.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
He creates the legend based on stuff like that.
He could just create a bigger body of work that is the legend.
jordan holmes
I think it's so fascinating, Alex's legend thing, because substantively, his legend is based off of the tiny little clips of edited together stuff to make him look like he's prescient.
But it's also combined with him doing so many hours and being so bullshit and saying so many lies that you don't, that you just assume there's more than those tiny little clips.
There has to be more than those tiny little clips, right?
dan friesen
You just assume that a normal person would be embarrassed and stop.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
And it just turns out that's just an assumption that you make about people.
jordan holmes
Or even the idea of a stop clock being right twice a day.
You're like, well, clearly there will be another time that he's right, right?
It's twice a day, not just the, you know, like there's so few.
dan friesen
There's the Tucson chemical attack on Trump.
jordan holmes
But because he's done so much, people give him.
I mean, it's wild.
It's a wild combination of not having done anything combined with having done so much that people assume there's no way you could have not done anything.
dan friesen
There's no way that your career amounts to nothing but anger and unprocessed trauma.
jordan holmes
There's no way for 30 years, and there's no way that if all we were going to put into that time capsule that you have self-described as being worth it is a 20-second clip.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's probably about it.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I think that what Alex is really concerned about here is the idea that if he, you know, if someone who doesn't like him wins that auction, they could control the copyright on all of his stuff and copyright strike all of the people who repost his clips and stuff like that.
jordan holmes
Right, right.
dan friesen
Which I don't think is a sincere concern that he needs to be too worried about.
But there's an ultimate irony.
His greatest argument that there is no copyright on any of his stuff is our existence.
And he could point to this podcast as I have never enforced copyright protection on any of my stuff.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Look at them.
But that might be self-defeating in some ways.
jordan holmes
Every way out comes back to us.
dan friesen
Bitter irony.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So we'll check back in, see how he's counting the days down to the election.
I'd like to get closer to current, but what are we going to do?
jordan holmes
Life.
Yeah.
Life.
Let's live it.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we will check back in and see what he's up to.
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed, we do.
jordan holmes
It's KnowledgeFight.com.
dan friesen
Yep.
We'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo.
I'm DZX Spark.
I am the Mysterious Professor.
Yeah, woo!
jordan holmes
Yeah, woo!
And now here comes the sex robots.
alex jones
Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first Tim Caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
jordan holmes
I love your work.
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