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July 19, 2024 - Knowledge Fight
01:13:40
#945: July 15, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan tune in to find Alex still on vacation, predicting that the White House could be nuked, and considering calling in the literal Angel of Death to kill his enemies.

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
14:57
d
dan friesen
30:42
j
jordan holmes
20:35
Appearances
c
chase geiser
02:57
Clips
p
pastor david manning
00:02
r
roger stone
00:43
s
steve quayle
00:02
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Speaker Time Text
unidentified
I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
alex jones
Knowledge fight.
roger stone
Dan and Jordan.
unidentified
knowledge fight.
Need money.
Andy in Kansas.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
Stop it.
Andy in Kansas.
Andy in Kansas.
It's time to pray.
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
unidentified
Hello, Alex.
I'm the first time I'm calling in my future.
I love you.
dan friesen
Hey, everybody!
Welcome to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
unidentified
Jordan!
dan friesen
We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship the author of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
jordan holmes
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
Jordan!
dan friesen
Jordan!
jordan holmes
Quick question for you.
dan friesen
What's up?
jordan holmes
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
Why don't you go first?
jordan holmes
Uh, well...
dan friesen
Since we're back in the studio here.
jordan holmes
I mean, that's already asked and answered.
We're back in the studio.
dan friesen
One episode recording in different places, and it's already like, ah, thank God.
jordan holmes
Thank God we're back.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it's good to be back.
dan friesen
It's tough to...
Talk over Zoom or Zencast or whatever.
jordan holmes
No, it's no fun.
Audio doesn't sound right.
Timing is just a quarter of a second off, and that's an eternity.
Eternity with our timing.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so it's good to be back.
Picked up my dogs.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Everything with that is great.
Sad part is Devin's not here.
My wife isn't here.
dan friesen
She'll be back soon enough, though.
jordan holmes
She'll be back.
Doing her artist stuff.
But Fanny misses her.
Fanny is...
dan friesen
Is this how Fanny is asked to communicate that to her?
jordan holmes
Oh, my God.
dan friesen
Because she listens to the bright spots?
jordan holmes
Yes.
This is 100% how it works.
Fanny was...
So, in my wife's office, where...
We spent the pandemic where she was teaching.
She would go in there all day, every day, and Fanny would be right at the foot of her chair.
And now she's not there, and I found Fanny at the foot of her chair yesterday.
Just kind of like...
Oh, it was heartbreaking.
dan friesen
That's sweet.
jordan holmes
You knew she missed you.
That's what it was.
And it was beautiful, but it was also heartbreaking.
dan friesen
This belongs on a card of some sort.
This image.
jordan holmes
Danny just had a chair.
Works for me.
dan friesen
So you went to Missouri.
You went to Branson.
jordan holmes
I did go to Branson, Missouri.
dan friesen
You messaged me that you went to Silver Dollar City.
jordan holmes
I did go to Silver Dollar City.
dan friesen
Did you hit any other landmarks that I might have been to in my childhood?
jordan holmes
No, we went to Silver Dollar City and we spent the whole day there.
Right?
And then the next day, it was downpouring.
Like, non-stop rain.
So we couldn't go see any outdoor stuff.
dan friesen
Sure.
jordan holmes
So then it was just like, let's play a family game, you know?
Let's just hang out together.
dan friesen
I have to play a game instead of going to the Mark Twain Caves.
jordan holmes
We're not going to the Mark Twain Caves today, folks.
Yeah.
dan friesen
Can't go to the old-timey town in Arrow Rock.
jordan holmes
What would you want me to see?
dan friesen
Nothing.
jordan holmes
In Missouri.
See, that's...
dan friesen
I mean, Columbia, I could show you some pretty fun stuff there.
jordan holmes
Sure, sure.
dan friesen
Yeah, I've been around Missouri.
I've seen enough.
I can call it.
jordan holmes
I didn't have a ton of complimentary words to share.
dan friesen
No, that's alright.
I don't take it too personally.
jordan holmes
No, no, no.
dan friesen
So anyway, glad we're back.
unidentified
Absolutely.
dan friesen
You made it and your dogs are safe.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
What's your bright spot?
dan friesen
My bright spot is, this is going to come off a little bit strange.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
So let me cook here.
jordan holmes
Okay, I'm listening.
dan friesen
I've been watching the RNC.
I've been, I just decided.
I was telling you this.
I was like, well, I spend all my time watching this insane content of Alex and that kind of shit.
What's the mainstream like?
I don't watch a ton of Trump speeches or Trump rallies or, you know, other Republican leaders' speeches.
And so I've been just watching the streams.
And it is nuts.
Here's why it's a bright spot.
jordan holmes
Okay.
I was going to say, people are going to be...
That's why I need to get to this.
Yeah, I was going to say, I was going to say, it's all good.
dan friesen
It makes me realize that this time is not wasted, looking at the crazy shit, because it's very similar.
Like, listening to Alex is not that different from watching this RNC.
There's a lot more restraint at the RNC.
There's a lot less showmanship and shit.
But a lot of the stuff that's being said...
Pretty fucking similar.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
There was a send them back chant.
jordan holmes
A send them back chant?
Yes.
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
It was powered by a palpable hatred of immigrants.
It was just amazing.
Like, seeing this and seeing, like, oh, this is familiar.
And so, I guess...
It made me realize a little bit of like, well, what we're talking about when we talk about Alex Jones, it's a little more relevant than I like to realize.
And so that's kind of a bright spot, I guess.
I mean, it's a dark spot for the world, but it makes me feel like my time isn't as wasted watching his awful show.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, I totally understand you.
I mean, to think about us where we were a decade ago, you know, The two of us at some bar at 3 in the morning closing it down, we were talking about all kinds of comedy, philosophy, any number of different things.
unidentified
See, now what you need is an economy of language and less words.
jordan holmes
Yes, man, absolutely.
Here's a tag for you.
No, no, no, that one's not going to work.
dan friesen
I'm not sure that's what we were talking about.
jordan holmes
I don't even know what we were talking about.
At no point in time then did I ever think that I would ever be, I don't know, doing something useful.
I thought I was going to be just a guy who told dick jokes on stage for the rest of my life, and I was going to be happy with that.
So I get where you're coming from.
There's a certain type of bright spot.
dan friesen
There's a feeling of purpose behind, you know, like...
It's like, oh, this is relevant, as opposed to like, hey, look at this, this is all crazy.
jordan holmes
Yeah, or hey, my penis is weird.
unidentified
Ha ha ha ha ha.
dan friesen
Also, Jim Justice came out with a dog at the RNC.
unidentified
He got a huge pop for his dog.
dan friesen
Baby dog.
jordan holmes
Everybody can come together because our Instagram feeds are now all filled with just dogs.
That's it.
We are all one people now.
dan friesen
Well, you have the voiceover person who's doing the announcements.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So it's not like there aren't people like the Oscars where they're giving, like someone coming out to present.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
It's just a person on the God mic.
And it's always like, your next senator from blank state.
And this was like...
Please welcome Jim Justice and Baby Dog.
I was like, no, no, no, no, no.
jordan holmes
All right, that's too good.
dan friesen
I gotta go.
jordan holmes
That's too good.
unidentified
Yeah.
jordan holmes
All right, come on.
unidentified
It's a bit much.
jordan holmes
Come on on the nose.
dan friesen
I'm also enjoying myself by reacting as if I was there, kind of.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So whenever there's a good insult about Pelosi, I'm like, get him.
jordan holmes
Now I'm doing reaction videos of you at the RNC.
dan friesen
There should be a live feed.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely.
I feel like you just going, I wonder what it feels like to be one of them for an hour.
dan friesen
When there's a joke that doesn't land, I'll be like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
It's fun.
jordan holmes
I believe it.
dan friesen
Anyway, we had an episode to go over, Jordan, today, so we're going to be talking about July 15th.
That is Monday's episode.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Because, you know, obviously there was the old shooting over the weekend.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
At the Trump rally.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And thought like, hey, we'll see what happens when Alex gets back to studio.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And it turns out he's not back in studio.
He's still in California.
He's still on his vacation.
That he's pretending is about trying to interview these people who went to Bohemian Grove.
jordan holmes
I mean, you know, I've always thought like that.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro kind of thing, I did not consider that the weird would just take it off.
They were like, ah, you guys got it from here.
dan friesen
Yeah, when the going gets tough, Chase has got this.
jordan holmes
Ah, Chase Gold, bud!
dan friesen
So we'll get down to business on all this, but first, let's say a little hello to some new wonks.
jordan holmes
Ooh, that's a great idea.
dan friesen
So first, happy birthday, Sabrina.
Thank you so much for introducing me to the pod and voice noting episode reactions with me.
Thank you so much.
You're now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Thank you!
Next, I had a prophetic dream when I was four years old that on July 7th, 2021, Dan would first listen to the song Free, Free, Free by Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra.
This was before I learned to keep the dates vague on my prophecies.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much!
dan friesen
Next, go to drjonesbignaturals.com.
That's drjonesbignaturals.com.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Thank you very much!
alex jones
Thank you.
dan friesen
And Miss Krabappel and Principal Skinner were in the closet making babies, and I saw one of the babies, and the babies looked at me.
Thank you so much.
You are now a policy wonk.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
jordan holmes
Thank you very much.
dan friesen
Thank you.
And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Stubborn Vulpix.
You are now a technocrat.
alex jones
I'm a policy wonk.
unidentified
Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
pastor david manning
Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
alex jones
Daddy Shark.
Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
unidentified
He's a loser little titty baby.
alex jones
I don't want to hate black people.
I renounce Jesus Christ!
dan friesen
Thank you so much.
jordan holmes
Yes, thank you very much.
dan friesen
That was very surreal because those were the wonk names that we had on a list for the episode that we bailed on because of the Trump shooting.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I was reading them for a second time, and the whole time I was like, wait.
Have we already done this?
Of course we have.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I had sent you new names.
And then you started reading those names and I was like, no, that was the last episode!
And then I remembered that we couldn't do it for the Zencaster one and then we couldn't do it for the episode before on account of the former president got shot.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
So you had to have deja vu.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that was weird.
dan friesen
So we start things off on this episode.
Alex, still in California.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Still what appears to be a nice resort.
jordan holmes
Love it.
dan friesen
Having a great time.
jordan holmes
Good for him.
dan friesen
And he's got some inside information from people involving the shooting.
jordan holmes
Okay.
dan friesen
And it is too explosive for most people to touch.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
It is Monday, July 15th, 2024.
I am your host, Alex Jones, and I'm going to be very calm and very collected and very focused.
I have talked to many of the top people in the Trump operation.
In the last 48 hours, and they all agree with me in my analysis, but don't want to come out and say all of this because they say it's too alarmist, the public can't handle it.
I disagree with that.
Because I know my life's in danger.
If they get Trump, they're going after his family, they're going after me, they're going after Tucker Carlson.
They're going after Elon Musk, big time.
This is a globalist coup that's been in control of the U.S. empire for decades that killed Kennedy.
I want to roll footage over and over again of the Zabruder film with his head getting blown off.
If that bullet would have been a half inch more to the right, you would have seen Trump's head explode.
Now, can you imagine what that image on international television would have done?
And then immediately after killing him, They would then set off truck bombs at black colleges or large black churches.
They would have bombed them yesterday, on Sunday, and said the Trump supporters did it.
dan friesen
Okay, so that's what would have happened, I guess.
So Alex's stance is entirely that the Secret Service...
jordan holmes
There's the stand-down.
dan friesen
Yeah, and they set up.
And so because it didn't work out, they had to pull back all these truck bombs that they had ready to go off to blame Trump supporters.
I feel like...
That's bad planning.
jordan holmes
I mean, put the truck bombs near Trump.
Kill two birds with one stone.
You've wasted all your trucks.
What are you going to do?
Remove the ordinance?
Do you think they expire?
I don't know.
Do they expire?
dan friesen
What's the freshness date?
jordan holmes
What is it?
dan friesen
I don't know.
I'm not sure if it's a fiscally irresponsible move.
But I do think...
If they have this level of coordination and planning, they're not going to miss.
jordan holmes
Right!
dan friesen
If you go that far to have this elaborate of a plan to assassinate the president, which will then precipitate a string of truck bombings to blame on the president's followers...
You're not going to whoopsie the shot.
jordan holmes
How could you?
dan friesen
No.
jordan holmes
And then what's the...
So then, okay.
dan friesen
These are the worst villains.
jordan holmes
So then, again, they have to remove the truck bombs, right?
What's the phone call over the walkie-talkie like?
Dude.
Yeah, yeah, are we ready?
Are we going to blow it?
Are we ready to do it?
Did they kill the president?
dan friesen
Crazy story.
unidentified
Okay.
dan friesen
Funny thing happened.
unidentified
I don't like where this is going.
dan friesen
I've got bad news.
jordan holmes
Oh, god dang it!
dan friesen
This makes no sense.
I know this is fun, and Alex isn't satisfied with the details that have come out about the alleged shooter, but this is just kind of a little much.
So, now that they've tried to kill Trump, now they're really going to kill him.
alex jones
There's different scenarios they can pull, but we know the type of scenarios they run, so we don't know exactly which scenario they'd follow, but we know all the scenarios.
Every possible one.
Now that they were unsuccessful in killing Trump, they have got to kill him.
Poisoning.
Shooters.
They've got very sophisticated electromagnetic systems they could use.
Microwaves.
This country is in a war with globalists.
Not a civil war.
We are an occupied country.
This is not a normal campaign.
We're not in Kansas, folks.
So listen to me.
Trump's gonna go.
He's John Wayne for real.
He's gonna go to Milwaukee.
He's there.
They're gonna do it all.
And if you don't think the deep state isn't desperate enough to roll a truck with plastic explosives into that building.
Got another thing coming.
dan friesen
Got another thing coming.
jordan holmes
I mean, I'm going to throw this out there.
I just don't know how you're going to get a truck filled with plastic explosives anywhere these days.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I don't know, but I have this fun image in my head of the, I guess, Secret Service globalist going about all their plans and just being like, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck...
unidentified
Fuck!
Oh, guys!
jordan holmes
Behind schedule.
Everything is going wrong.
Pick it up.
Pick it up!
dan friesen
But I guess that maybe is where all the truck bombs are going that weren't used.
So they're probably repurposing them.
jordan holmes
What if it's just a couple of dudes were late?
Like, the whole thing just can't work.
It has to be so intricately planned, because they're terrible planners, obviously.
Then two guys showing up, oh man, I ate the wrong burrito last night, and now there's no conspiracy theory.
dan friesen
I think when you are...
Oh, actually, hold on.
Halfway through that thought, I realized something.
jordan holmes
You changed your thoughts.
dan friesen
I was gonna say, if you're planning this whole assassination, and it's like this elaborate thing that's meant to sway an election and take over a country...
On the behalf of Satan, I would say you have understudies.
But then, as that was coming out of my mouth, I realized...
Or loose ends.
Maybe you wouldn't have an understudy.
jordan holmes
That is a good point.
dan friesen
So maybe a burrito could completely ruin everybody's plans.
jordan holmes
Because an understudy is always available to interview, you know?
If you've got an understudy, they could be found out 20 years later.
That's just another person that you'd have to disappear if things go well, and another loose end if things don't.
You're right.
dan friesen
Maybe people were just late.
jordan holmes
You're right.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
It's got to be that way.
dan friesen
So look, they're going to nuke the White House.
jordan holmes
Why do I even bother not thinking you're about to say they're going to nuke the White House?
dan friesen
I don't know how Alex could ramp this up anymore.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
alex jones
When they kill Trump, they will then kill Biden.
This is interchangeable.
They may use a low-yield one-megaton nuke, two-megaton nuke on the White House to get Biden.
That's one of their moves.
Guaranteed, there's files, plans, weapons loaded, ready-go teams, ready to kill.
They are guaranteed atomic weapons following Trump around, and they get the order from the Council on Foreign Relations and British Intelligence, and they're going to kill him.
They're going to kill Trump, and they're going to kill Biden.
And in this country, we'll be in full martial law forever.
I've calculated...
jordan holmes
I think we'll be dying of radiation poisoning.
alex jones
Even if they use robot drones with nerve gas they've got stationed all over the country, the robots won't be able to knock everybody out, and then it'll be total war.
We're going to beat them, but you have to understand, folks, they're going to nerve gas the Capitals, they're going to nerve gas the Republican leadership.
The drones are loaded with the nerve gas.
And that's why they don't like me, folks, because I know all this stuff.
dan friesen
Yeah, that's why they don't like him.
Yep, because he knows about the nerve gas drones and the Daleks with guns and COVID swabs and the Ebola that's being released from Denver and all this shit.
He knows all about it.
That's why everyone hates him.
jordan holmes
Yeah, this level of extremity almost calms me down.
Like, well, I guess at least they're not going to nuke D.C. That's nice.
I believe...
Strongly.
That no one's going to nuke D.C. I believe that, Dan.
dan friesen
I think that the odds are pretty low.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
I just don't understand.
I get it.
I get that Alex has got to make things exciting.
And I get that there's like, okay, in the real world, someone shot at Trump.
How are we going to escalate this?
Right.
jordan holmes
Thanos.
It has to be Thanos.
We're in Thanos territory.
dan friesen
Yeah.
Alex's content does suffer from superhero movie syndrome.
jordan holmes
It does.
He needs a reboot.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
He needs to get back to the beginning.
Go back to Iron Man, buddy.
dan friesen
All right.
So here's the deal.
There's a multiverse.
jordan holmes
Okay.
All right.
dan friesen
There's another Alex at another time.
jordan holmes
Oh, yeah?
Is he happy?
dan friesen
I'm going to try and change life.
The only thing he did differently is that he didn't drink between 2012 and 2017.
jordan holmes
That was all he had to do.
Five years off and now you can start drinking again.
Have a cocktail.
dan friesen
Anyway.
Alex has the idea that the Secret Service was behind the shooting by letting it happen and planning it and all of this.
But I think that he doesn't really have evidence of that.
He doesn't really have proof.
And I think that he's now reached the point where conspiracy theories shouldn't have proof.
alex jones
I am beyond mentally exhausted.
I'm not exhausted.
There's such a spiritual...
Awareness and concern of the grave danger we're in that I can't believe I'm the person bringing this information.
No one else is going to do it, even though the generals and all of them agree with me.
Because they believe it's too alarmist to tell people stuff like this.
No, we've got to be honest about where we are.
We've got to be honest.
Of course the Secret Service was told to stand down.
Of course they let the guy get the shots off.
We don't need to get caught around the wheels like a cartoon character, like Wile E. Coyote when he gets run over.
And just stay in that BS lamp.
dan friesen
You're supposed to be the guy who's like, I've got the documents.
I have all the proof.
It's all declassified, all this.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no.
We need to just stick with the conclusion and don't worry about the details.
Don't worry about the details.
I'm not proving anything to you.
We just know this thing.
And it's like, I don't know.
jordan holmes
What I think is so crazy about this is that I actually might, I think I might respect the Secret Service.
Is that a thing?
dan friesen
It doesn't seem like a thing for you.
jordan holmes
They've been the most apolitical organization of people.
They've legit been like, hey, I'll die for a monster.
I don't care.
Trump was president before.
Why would they betray?
It doesn't make sense.
dan friesen
Well, because the orders came down.
jordan holmes
I think that the Secret Service is actually kind of probably too into protecting the president.
dan friesen
They really like it.
jordan holmes
I think they might be too into it to the point where you should be, like, respectful of how they're probably not part of a conspiracy.
dan friesen
Yeah, maybe.
I do think that there's something interesting going on with Alex, though, and that is that he's being like, ah, yes, this is why they wanted me off air, because the orders had come down to try and take out Trump, and that's why the orders came down to take me off air.
And it's like, you dumb asshole, you just tried to get back into Sandy Hook conspiracies as being the reason they tried to take you off air.
He's kind of pivoted that now into, instead of it being like, I was too close to the truth about Sandy Hookies now, they wanted me off air when they shot Trump.
It's like, alright, man.
I get that that's better.
That is way better.
jordan holmes
Sure.
I mean, it's way better than telling the truth, which is that he wanted himself off air so he could go to California.
Probably.
dan friesen
I have a thin excuse of some 20-year-old YouTubers I'm going to interview.
jordan holmes
I still don't want to handle that.
dan friesen
So Alex, when he did get to California, though, terrified.
Because there was the news of the shooting.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
And Alex, because he was in California, he didn't have his piece.
He didn't have any of his guns.
jordan holmes
Oh, no, that's not...
Oh, boy.
alex jones
You think after they kill Trump, they're going to leave Tucker Carlson walking around?
They'll kill him within 24 hours.
Oh, I know they're coming.
Listen, I was in the air when this happened.
The minute we land, it just happens we were landing, I just immediately...
I was like, you know, I'm in another area.
I don't have my firearms, any of that.
And I was like, they're coming.
Okay?
I mean, they're coming.
Okay?
So that's how life and death this is.
You need to understand, they're going to kill Elon Musk within 24 hours.
And I guarantee you, they got people inserted into his entourage, into his group, that are waiting to get the order.
And I would tell all those people.
You're betting on the wrong team, and you should just come clean with everything right now.
dan friesen
So as of press time, Musk's still fine.
jordan holmes
Is he still okay?
dan friesen
Did not die within 24 hours.
jordan holmes
What day is today?
dan friesen
We're recording this.
I think it's Thursday.
jordan holmes
Sounds about right.
dan friesen
Feels like it might be Thursday.
jordan holmes
The days have been kind of very heavily blending into one another based upon what massive news event has happened in the past hour.
dan friesen
It's been a little chaos.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
So yeah, Alex lands.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Reaches for his waist.
No gun.
Feels vulnerable.
jordan holmes
Oh, man.
dan friesen
Because they're coming.
They're coming.
They're going to get him.
jordan holmes
I think if I'm around Alex, I'm like, oh, thank God this happened when Alex is nowhere near his guns.
Right?
This is the best thing that could happen.
He's not near guns, guys.
We're going to be all right this time.
dan friesen
Right.
CNN's playing in the airport, and you just see Alex.
Out of nowhere does a whole somersault to behind the baggage claim area taking cover.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
Ends up killing 100 people.
alex jones
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
Way better.
In self-defense.
jordan holmes
Way better.
Way better with the no guns thing.
dan friesen
Instead, Alex just kind of probably casually got his bags and then went to a resort.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
Had a nice little day.
dan friesen
Yeah.
But then this happened.
alex jones
All right, folks.
I don't say this to be dramatic.
I say this because I'm 50 years old and I've been around the block a lot.
My sixth sense is never wrong.
The older I get, I always know to follow it, plus have all the intellectual information and research behind it.
And growing up in Dallas, I got a lot of really serious fights.
And I never knew how to back down.
And before I would get in a fight, which is a natural thing for your body, I'd throw up just to get everything out of there so you'd go full on.
I just threw up during the break.
And again, I told people that because, okay, all previous concerns, this is 50 times worse, okay?
And I want folks to understand the level and magnitude of the danger, okay?
dan friesen
Okay?
I'm serious this time.
I just threw up.
jordan holmes
I feel like he's done that, but isn't that the same thing as the...
He's done the Imperial Star Cruiser has to get rid of the...
Garbage thing, remember?
Probably.
That's how they do it.
And that's what he's doing here.
He's throwing up all over the place.
I think he's just an alcoholic.
dan friesen
Probably at a resort, having a good time, and threw up during the break.
Trying to make it seem a little more important than it is.
So, Roger Stone comes in, and he's really probably working on getting himself sued.
jordan holmes
Good.
roger stone
Everything I hear coming out of Pennsylvania raises more questions than it does.
Answers.
For example, a number of people have contacted me to say that the shooter is not the man they've identified, but rather a man by the name of Maxwell Yerrick, who seems, at least in photographs, and I'm not in law enforcement, I don't have facial ID technology, but appears to more closely resemble the picture we've been shown.
That is allegedly the corpse of the shooter.
So I have many, many questions, as the American people do.
I can just tell you Trump's style is not to back down.
dan friesen
Uh-oh, Roger.
Stop saying people's names.
It's too late for him to be doing this.
He deleted that tweet that he put out just after the shooting.
And it's like, I get the immediacy.
I think it's still...
Bad behavior.
roger stone
Yeah.
dan friesen
I still think you shouldn't act that way.
But I get where someone like Roger, a piece of shit like Roger.
roger stone
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
dan friesen
Monday's a little late for this.
jordan holmes
I was going to say.
I was like, wait, you get what's going on, but now I get where...
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
When it's Roger.
jordan holmes
It's too long.
dan friesen
It's too late.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I get what you're saying.
dan friesen
Your plausibility of this being above-board behavior is...
jordan holmes
Listen, nobody believed you before.
You're Roger Stone.
So shut up.
But now you're doing it way too late for even Roger Stone heads to be like, hey, I probably believe this guy.
dan friesen
Yeah, there's no excuse.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
So Roger comes in.
He's like, bah, bah, bah.
Who cares?
He doesn't have much to say.
Bah, bah, bah.
And so Alex, this was just such a funny moment.
This is Alex realizing what he's saying amid saying it.
alex jones
And folks, you notice we're not even in Milwaukee.
Because the last CRO guy that...
Tried to shut everything down.
You know, we wouldn't even put the funds in to do it, even though we bring in a ton of funds to do it.
So that's why it's so important to support Infowars.
Infowarsstore.com.
Go to Infowarsstore.com.
We have, it's being printed right now in Texas, the Trump bulletproof shirt.
dan friesen
It's so funny for him to be like, the CRO wouldn't give me any money to go to...
I'm in California.
alex jones
Yeah!
dan friesen
Shit.
unidentified
Ooh!
jordan holmes
I wasn't allowed to travel because the CRO wouldn't let me get on a plane and go to a state where I am not.
dan friesen
Meanwhile, I'm here pretending to be covering Bohemian Grove, which seems like if you could do that, you could probably go to Milwaukee.
It'd probably be cheaper to go to Milwaukee.
jordan holmes
Do you think it'd be cheaper to go to Milwaukee?
Do you think fewer people might be buying flights at a certain...
Although, maybe it could be.
Maybe they couldn't afford a hotel.
unidentified
I bet the hotels are too expensive around Milwaukee right now.
dan friesen
I think you could find something.
jordan holmes
Eh, probably.
Probably something about the same cost as an expensive four-star resort.
alex jones
Yep.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I just love those moments where Alex is, like, trying to rationalize why he's not doing something, and it kind of flies in the face of what he is currently doing.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I just think that's real funny.
And you could kind of see in the moment the realization, like, shit, this isn't going to work.
I can't blame this ERO for not letting me travel while I'm traveling.
jordan holmes
I'm kidding.
dan friesen
This isn't going to work.
jordan holmes
I'm getting strong cartoon vibes from this episode.
Because earlier, there's nukes following people around.
In my head, I had the cartoon, there were giant anthropomorphized nukes who were tiptoeing nearby and Joe Biden would look around and they'd stop and hide and be like, oh, we're just statues of nuclear bombs, that kind of thing.
And now him literally having a thought bubble appear.
Tell you a story and then disappear while you're listening on the radio is about as cartoonish as it gets.
dan friesen
Yeah, definitely.
So, Alex, he's reached this conclusion that the Secret Service did all this year.
I think that what he's doing is anti-critical thinking.
alex jones
Don't let the Jedi mind tricks work on you, folks.
The Secret Service...
jordan holmes
Let my mind tricks work on you.
alex jones
...shamed of some of the famous Secret Service people.
I've seen on national television going, well, they really screwed up.
Yeah, this is gross negligence.
They should have people on the roofs.
It wasn't negligence.
They were told to do it.
Trump should be hauling all those people in to a conference room and saying, I'm the real president.
You tell me everybody that told you where to go and what to do.
Guys, I was just getting some interference.
Are we good?
chase geiser
You sound great.
alex jones
You guys just open the mic.
Okay.
unidentified
So, that's where we're at on this, okay?
alex jones
They're going to go after him again, and I can just repeat that a thousand times to you.
dan friesen
Yeah, and you do.
He does.
I'm excited hearing Chase there, though.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
We're going to get a little action?
unidentified
Maybe.
dan friesen
So there's an important line here that I think Alex crosses quite a bit, and I think it's really well illustrated in that clip.
There's no solid evidence as of right now that the Secret Service was told to stand down.
Alex has no evidence to that effect beyond things that look weird.
There are a number of details that fall into the same category as the, quote, anomalies that led Alex to think that Sandy Hook was a false flag.
They aren't things that prove anything, but they're the things that make people go, hmm, I might have watched a Vice documentary Yeah, yeah, yeah.
On YouTube.
jordan holmes
That makes a lot of sense.
dan friesen
What Alex has done is quite simple.
He's working with the assumption that Secret Service members were told to stand down, and instead of reporting this to his audience as an assumption, he's pretending that it's been proven.
He treats this conjecture as solid fact for two important reasons.
One, he can't prove it, and two, it's a critical piece of his ability to make this narrative work.
The shooter wasn't some Antifa leftist, and the attempt to make that narrative work hinges on Roger's misidentification of the shooter, which Alex risks getting sued if he runs with.
If this wasn't a setup by the Secret Service, then there isn't really a good angle for the conspiracy theorist to take here, so Alex needs that to be what happened.
I guess if you want to be a conspiracy theorist on the other side, you could say that Trump set up the whole thing in order to look strong, but Alex could never run with that, so his options are a little limited.
jordan holmes
Staged movie set kind of thing makes sense if you want to indict Trump.
dan friesen
Which you can't do if you're Alex.
jordan holmes
Which you can't do if you're Alex, yeah.
dan friesen
So in order to strengthen the flimsy piece of his argument's architecture, Alex just acts like it's totally solid, and people trying to convince you otherwise are doing Jedi mind tricks.
In effect, what he's done is appeal to blind faith while pretending that what he's doing is based in critical thinking.
This is why it's always hollow when Alex pretends that he's just asking questions.
It's not that he's not just asking questions.
It's that he's teaching an audience to think this is what it looks like to just ask questions.
And that's just, it's a direct contradiction of exploring evidence and asking questions.
jordan holmes
I think I have an interesting question, alright?
dan friesen
You might.
jordan holmes
So, Sandy Hook, Alex defamed him again.
Did it again.
Incontrovertible proof.
I'm not going to pretend that it didn't happen.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
So can you sue Infowars again?
And if so, will the chief resource officer also be liable?
dan friesen
Well, it's the chief restructuring officer.
jordan holmes
Whichever.
dan friesen
And I don't know.
I don't know anything about that.
jordan holmes
I feel like if that is the case, then yes, they're the boss.
unidentified
They are now in charge of Infowars, and they should be liable for...
dan friesen
They weren't at the time of when Alex did that.
unidentified
Whichever.
dan friesen
Because the bankruptcy had been kicked out of the bankruptcy court.
So the CRO is no longer...
jordan holmes
Whoever's running it now.
dan friesen
The trustee, maybe?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
I don't know exactly the structure.
Someone's responsible for something.
But also, it might not be defamation, because I don't remember if Alex used anyone's names.
It's definitely still infliction of emotional distress.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think there's a continuation of that.
Yeah, I don't know.
But I think that actually might be an interesting question.
I think the trustee might have a responsibility, or at least a liability, for Alex's behavior.
dan friesen
Everyone should know better.
jordan holmes
Everyone should know better.
dan friesen
You know who else should know better?
unidentified
Who?
dan friesen
George fucking Straight.
Country musician George Straight.
jordan holmes
Okay, what did he do this time?
dan friesen
It's not what he did.
It's what he didn't do.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
We don't fight the enemy because we hate them.
We fight for the people behind us, our women and our children.
And I told everybody this a few months ago, and I called George Strait out because I love George Strait, and I know people that know him very well.
I know his band.
I've been friends with him for years.
The Ace of the Hole guys.
And he's a patriot.
He knows all this stuff.
He's super smart.
Where's George Strait?
Okay, he gets housing for veterans and American flags and stuff.
Great.
Because that's not George Strait's job.
Okay, George Strait, there'll be a nuclear war.
You understand, George Strait?
That's what this comes down to.
And I'm not singling him out.
I'm just using him as an example.
Because we're not in normal times.
You know, I have buddies and people say, hey, man, let's go play pool or let's go play golf.
And I understand that's important to do.
And you're supposed to go out and have some fun in life.
I can't do that.
I can't just sit around on the edge of World War III with our borders completely wide open.
When your castle's on fire and your troops are trying to hold the drawbridge and the main gate's on fire, you better go secure the gate or we're going to lose the whole city.
dan friesen
I can't go play pool, I say, as I sit in a resort in California.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
Snoop Dogg, stop talking about bikinis and weenies, whether they are or are not there.
Nuclear war is around the corner!
dan friesen
Martinis, bikinis, zucchinis.
jordan holmes
Absolutely, no!
I can't allow you to continue talking about these things!
Nuclear war is coming!
dan friesen
Couldn't make no nukes fit in there.
There's no word that I know of nuke that rhymes with zucchini.
jordan holmes
Nuke-teeni.
dan friesen
No nuke-teenies.
jordan holmes
Nuke-teenies.
dan friesen
I mean, look, George Strait has been silent on the nuclear war issue.
jordan holmes
Clearly?
I mean, I am wondering where he is, if he is pro or anti-nuclear war.
dan friesen
Yeah.
I like this, oh sure, he's getting housing for veterans.
Like, oh sure, he's doing something that concretely helps other people.
But why won't he come on my show?
jordan holmes
But he won't tell me that nuclear war is bad so I can steal some of his attention than fame?
Boo.
dan friesen
I also like the sort of structure of, I'm not calling him out, I'm using him as an example.
jordan holmes
Yes, absolutely!
I'm not doing this thing.
I'm going to do it.
dan friesen
I really hope George Strait picks a fight with me, and that's about all that says.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
So, Alex, in this next clip, talks about how the globalists can never actually take charge of anything.
alex jones
Water is pouring in.
Freezing water.
The ship could tump over any minute.
Get up off of your asses or die.
We must expose the enemy.
We must let them know that we know, that we see them.
They've been going around cloaked this whole time.
Understand?
They have been cloaked.
And us sitting here and not wanting to admit how bad it is is their cloak.
Our denial is the ocean in which these evil things swim.
Now, when the ship goes down...
And without act of God, and God working through you, it will, all the globalists will end up getting killed as well.
Guaranteed now.
We've laid enough seeds, enough political landmines in the system that they will never, never, never get away with this.
But I want to light them up politically, spotlight them now, so horribly that everybody has a mass awakening about this so they back off.
And they may do it.
dan friesen
People who leave behind tons of landmines are historically looked at as pretty cool.
That's generally never a problem.
jordan holmes
Yeah, yeah.
A lot of people like to walk around Vietnam and love the United States.
dan friesen
So what Alex is expressing here is that he and his brand of content have distorted reality so much for enough people that there's never going to be a competent government in the future that doesn't face radical resistance from the far right.
Middle-of-the-road Democrat policies have been redefined as satanic communism, so no matter what happens, extremism will grow.
And when you have a, let's say, middle-of-the-road conservative government, or even a fairly far-right government, there will be insidious internal deep state actors that those people will be pushing against that is any kind of sort of left-leaning policy.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So, I mean, what Alex is saying, I think if you look at it through its metaphorical lens, I think he's, you know, somewhat onto something.
He has left a lot of landmines behind.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, it is...
Odd to hear someone be proud of what I think is a truly horrific thing to do.
dan friesen
Info-terrorism.
jordan holmes
Right?
It is a little bit odd to be like, hey, listen, don't worry about it.
The moment we lose or if we win, it doesn't really matter.
The government's going to explode if somebody steps wrong in any direction.
dan friesen
We've inspired enough people who love guns and murder that...
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
So I was listening to this episode, and I'm like, Alex is still on vacation.
This is fucking weird.
What is going on?
jordan holmes
What's Chase got to say?
dan friesen
Well, we'll hear from him in a minute.
jordan holmes
Yay!
dan friesen
But first, Alex has something to say that I think changes everything.
jordan holmes
Okay, okay.
dan friesen
Literally game-changing.
jordan holmes
Game-changing.
dan friesen
Yes.
jordan holmes
It changes the game.
dan friesen
Mic down for this, because it's going to blow your fucking mind.
jordan holmes
Okay.
alex jones
I don't want anybody to shoot anybody, bomb anything, any of that, but I do think it's time for us to pray.
I don't...
Talk about stuff like this, the heavy artillery, unless we're in emergency.
And I'm not going to do it right now because it's too awesome at this point.
I have to think about this a little more.
You have to ask the Holy Spirit and God, but you see these witches and people get together and ask Satan to kill people, put hexes on them and stuff.
They're trying to copy what God can actually do, okay?
So it's not black magic when we go to God and say, God, we need to be delivered.
We will do whatever you say.
We have courage, but we ask you to confuse our enemies, and we ask you to send the angel of death.
And God can just kill these people.
And I'm going to talk to Pastor Brown and a few other pastors I trust about this first.
Before I do it, Catholics can pray the rosary and things like that.
That's good.
Focus on God.
But I personally am strongly considering praying for the angel of death.
So that's where we're at, all right?
And it's a big deal, and I don't know why I'm the man to do it.
So, because I'm not comparing myself to Moses, folks.
You start praying to God, it's the angel of death.
You know, that's the final thing we can do.
dan friesen
Yeah, this is serious.
This is very, very serious now.
Alex is considering calling upon the angel of death.
jordan holmes
Let me see if I understand his religious cosmology correctly.
Witches kill people using black magic.
dan friesen
They put hexes on people.
jordan holmes
Right.
dan friesen
They're doing a God impression.
jordan holmes
In an impression of God.
dan friesen
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jordan holmes
I think they're bad.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Right.
So when I'm going to do black magic...
With God is cool.
dan friesen
Well, it's not evil magic.
Right!
It's just the angel of death.
jordan holmes
Okay, so murder's bad, but...
dan friesen
I'm gonna put a God hit on somebody.
jordan holmes
I think that...
I think you might be...
Now, hey, listen.
I'm not the most familiar with the commandments.
I don't remember.
I think maybe five through eight.
I can't remember those.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
But boy, this does feel like taking the Lord's name in vain if ever there has been one.
dan friesen
I don't know if the angel of death is the Lord.
unidentified
I think if the Lord is sending the angel of death.
dan friesen
He works for the Lord.
unidentified
Can you ask the angel of death behind the Lord's back?
dan friesen
No, I'm sure the Lord needs to sign off on it.
jordan holmes
He's got to have the sign off, right?
dan friesen
Yeah.
The Lord cannot give a stand down to the angel of death.
unidentified
I like the idea of Alex being like, hey, angel.
jordan holmes
Don't tell God this.
dan friesen
What if Alex gets to heaven and then there's conspiracies there?
jordan holmes
I mean, it would have to be.
dan friesen
That would be so unsatisfying.
jordan holmes
Yeah, it would be brutal.
dan friesen
So yeah, this is stupid.
But I do think it's really funny to imagine for the last 30 fucking years, Alex has been like, don't do it.
jordan holmes
I could pray for you to get killed, but I'm not going to do it.
dan friesen
He's not bringing it up on air that he's resisting invoking the angel of death.
jordan holmes
Yep.
He has not thought about it.
And you know what?
He's not ready to do it yet.
unidentified
No.
jordan holmes
He's got to talk to Pastor Rodney Howard Brown.
dan friesen
Yep.
jordan holmes
I wonder what they're going to say.
dan friesen
Probably go for it.
jordan holmes
I assume so.
I imagine their understanding of the Bible is about equivalent to Alex's.
dan friesen
Now, this is fucking stupid and awesome to hear someone talk about.
unidentified
It is.
dan friesen
Because it's an adult, a 50-year-old person who's sitting here saying on air on their presumably political radio show that this is really very serious and I'm not ready to do it yet because it works too well.
But I might call down the angel of death.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
That's really funny.
jordan holmes
Listen, I don't like...
What's going on here?
And I've always been a nice person.
I've always been a nice person because do you know what I could have done?
I could have told my imaginary friend Fred over here to kill you, but I didn't do it one time.
dan friesen
That's really good.
jordan holmes
You step out of line one more time, though.
I'm looking at Fred right now, and he's sharpening knives and shit.
dan friesen
With Fred comes awesome power.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
With great Fred comes great responsibility.
dan friesen
Now, here's the issue that I have.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And, like, obviously this is, like I said, it's funny.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
It's all stupid.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Alex is an idiot.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
But we also live in a world where we've listened to enough of Alex's show where he has quite literally, on multiple occasions, explained that the great secret of the universe is that God carries out his will through you.
jordan holmes
Correct.
dan friesen
You are the person who carries out God's will.
Right.
So if Alex is invoking the angel of death, he's telling people to kill Bible.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
Like, this is not...
jordan holmes
In religious language, he is out and out saying, I am about to ask you, everybody who is listening to me...
dan friesen
Basically asking you right now.
I'm pretending to not take responsibility for the words that I'm saying.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
But the words that I'm saying are, you should kill people.
jordan holmes
But the words that he's saying, sure, they mean that, but if you were to, like, if somebody was going to be like, ah, he means that he wants people to kill people.
Then everybody would be like, no, he didn't say that.
Oh, no, he didn't say that.
dan friesen
No, it's through enough layers of plausible deniability that, like...
jordan holmes
Except it's not plausible anymore.
dan friesen
Well, for us.
jordan holmes
For us, that's what I'm saying.
dan friesen
Maybe for a court, it's not enough to be like he's putting out a hit on the...
jordan holmes
See, I mean, that's such a really great indictment of the court system.
If it's enough for us, the people who've spent...
A decade studying this guy, but not enough for the courts.
unidentified
I think, well, people are listening to the wrong people, maybe.
dan friesen
Maybe.
jordan holmes
Maybe.
dan friesen
I don't know.
unidentified
Oh, well.
dan friesen
So let's listen to the right person.
jordan holmes
Let's do it.
dan friesen
Chase.
unidentified
Yeah!
dan friesen
Alex needs to go refresh his martini and zucchini.
jordan holmes
No weenie.
dan friesen
So Chase takes over.
He complains about tenacious D. God damn it, Jason.
chase geiser
I saw a clip earlier today.
Jack Black, who was somebody I loved and adored.
dan friesen
Why?
chase geiser
As a teenager listening to Tenacious D, the greatest song in the world, and watching his movies.
I mean, School of Rock, how hilarious and awesome and inspiring that was as a comedy.
It was such a great family movie.
It was such a great message.
jordan holmes
What?
chase geiser
On stage singing happy birthday to his bandmate today.
And says, make a wish to Kyle.
And Kyle just goes, next time, don't miss Trump.
The fact of the matter is, we are faced not with a democratic enemy, not with a leftist enemy, not even with a globalist enemy.
We are faced with an enemy that is ultimate evil.
dan friesen
I'm not sure this guy got Tenacious D. I'm not sure he understood.
There was a lot of satanic stuff all over it.
jordan holmes
I mean, was Dave Grohl actually the devil?
dan friesen
I think in the song he's supposed to be.
Yeah.
But also it's a tribute.
To the greatest song in the world.
Sure.
jordan holmes
I mean, there is a big difference there.
dan friesen
He couldn't remember it.
jordan holmes
InfoWars is inaccurate.
They just can't do it.
They just can't do it.
I think the idea of Chase watching School of Rock about the acceptance of people for their differences as opposed to excluding them for being different and then going, I'm going to work for InfoWars is about as crazy as it possibly gets.
dan friesen
He should also, if he believes in the things that InfoWars believes in, he should think that that movie is about grooming children.
Yeah!
jordan holmes
Yes!
He was like, oh, we should sing happy birthday to this unattractive person because all people are attractive.
It's crazy!
dan friesen
Also, the family values of such tracks as Fuck Her Gently.
jordan holmes
Yeah, there is definitely that.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I feel like it's funny that Chase is somebody who knows of Tenacious D. Yes.
And presumably...
I don't know.
He's probably not the age that he saw the HBO show.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
But he probably saw the album, maybe saw him live or something.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
Because it's in that right time frame.
jordan holmes
How old is he?
Is he our age?
dan friesen
No, he's younger.
jordan holmes
He's younger.
dan friesen
Well, how much younger is debatable.
unidentified
Right?
dan friesen
Because he has kids, right?
jordan holmes
I mean, he's probably early 30s.
dan friesen
I'd put him early 30s.
jordan holmes
Yeah, so he's a little bit younger than us.
He's from our generation, basically.
Yeah.
dan friesen
But even so, I think that he probably wouldn't have been cool enough to watch Tenacious D on HBO.
jordan holmes
I don't know.
No, I bet he couldn't.
I bet if he's at Infowars now.
With the things that he believes, I would not be surprised if his parents would not have allowed him to watch HBO, period.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I bet he grew up in the same way, in a similar, like, you can't watch The Simpsons because it's too demonic kind of way, you know?
dan friesen
And honestly, I think that he should know that if anybody takes assassination attempts seriously, it's Tenacious D. Absolutely!
Kyle took a bullet for...
jordan holmes
That's the song!
unidentified
Anyway.
jordan holmes
Chase is the most confusing person I think I've ever encountered in my entire life.
dan friesen
And it only gets more confusing.
jordan holmes
Of course.
chase geiser
We're not even dealing with villains that are akin to the Hitlers or the Maus or the Stalins or the Darth Vaders or the Emperor Palpatines or the Saurons.
We are dealing with villains who don't even give us the respect of being competent.
I mean, those villains that I named were incredibly...
I mean, Darth Vader turned to the dark side for good reasons.
He thought the dark side was the answer to curing death.
That is the message of Star Wars, is that evil entices us because of our good intentions.
But now we have gone beyond those who have turned to evil with good intentions to a class of people so callous.
So evil, so insensitive, so lacking in empathy, so sociopathic, that they didn't even do it with good intentions.
They just did it for the sake of it.
dan friesen
Let me translate this for you.
Dialogue aside, Star Wars is well-written.
Darth Vader's a villain with a relatable backstory, because he's not real, and is a character in a fictitious storyline.
His wants and motivations are determined by a writer, who knows that having those wants and motivations be relatable gives a greater depth to the story that's being told, and makes Darth Vader a character that you can welcome being redeemed at the end, because it's all made up.
Chase is expressing a very understandable frustration here, and that is that his villains are poorly written.
Alex is just making up this story, but he's a shitty writer, so the villains have no complexity.
They have no pathos.
Their motivations make no sense.
He wants to be the author of an epic tale of good versus evil, but he has no skill with characters, so all the bad guys just become cartoons.
They can't handle subtle storytelling, so the bad guys do bad things because they're bad and they like bad stuff.
And to act otherwise, it risks...
The audience empathizing with the bad guys, and then the whole story falls apart, and Alex can't handle that kind of nuance.
On whatever level he can let himself realize it, Chase is frustrated with the story that Alex has created, and he has to keep telling because it's stupid.
And I think that's underneath what Chase is saying.
I think that's fascinating.
jordan holmes
I am going to throw this out to you, and I don't think it's true or have any evidence or anything like that.
But I do think in the same sense, like, if Alex were working for COVID, this is what he would be doing, right?
I think if Solomon Berg were trying to get a job and work at Infowars and then sneak actual, I guess, good ideas into it, this might be how it would go.
dan friesen
But these aren't good ideas.
jordan holmes
And his name is Chase.
Geyser.
dan friesen
These aren't good ideas.
jordan holmes
They're not good ideas, but they're ideas that keep you from going, oh, Alex is right about how these villains make sense.
Do you know what I mean?
Like, this is different from InfoWars.
This is anti-InfoWars.
dan friesen
It's not if you listen to it in its full complexity.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Or its full context.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
Because Chase will make this point, and it's fully in defense of saying that our enemies are just pure evil.
jordan holmes
Right.
Right, but if you want to—no, no, no, you're right, because you're not on InfoWars, and you would never be allowed near InfoWars, because you're right.
You have to be wrong to get on InfoWars.
So this would be—again, I'm not saying that he's pulling one over on us, or that he's making sense, or that any of this is a good idea.
I'm saying that if Solomon Berg were to try and infiltrate InfoWars, I think this is about what it would sound like.
dan friesen
I don't think—I don't know if I agree with you on that.
I think that Chase is, I see way less markers of intentionality and more markers of like, this is a person who on some level isn't a total idiot.
Yeah.
And that makes him look like an idiot on Infowars.
jordan holmes
Yes.
dan friesen
And I think that there's a struggle that some part of his brain that actually is able to comprehend, like...
Structure and story and that stuff is at odds with what he has to do in his job.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And probably what he wants to do.
Yeah, it feels like...
I'm not saying that he doesn't want to put forth Infowars bigotries and all that shit.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
He's probably a horrible person.
jordan holmes
Oh, for sure.
No, I mean, I don't know how to...
Yeah, I mean, you can't have both.
I understand the structure of movies, and also I understand that Alex is not essentially writing a bad movie.
If he's like, oh, here's how the structure of a movie works, then he can apply that to Alex and go, oh, Alex is just writing a movie.
dan friesen
Yeah, and it's bad.
jordan holmes
He's just not there yet.
It's a bad movie.
It's because it's a bad movie that he gets that it's a movie.
dan friesen
On some level, he has to.
jordan holmes
Yeah!
dan friesen
And it would be funny if he ever becomes self-aware of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, what could it be?
Madness.
dan friesen
Who knows?
jordan holmes
I don't know.
dan friesen
But I do know one thing, and that is that Chase is...
jordan holmes
Chase Geyser is going to be the next president.
dan friesen
Well...
jordan holmes
Sorry.
dan friesen
If he does become the president, it will be because he is the type who is unsure if it is a good idea to call out the angel of death.
chase geiser
I mean, evil for the sake of evil is something that we hadn't really seen anywhere.
In fiction or history, many times up until maybe the Joker in A Dark Night with Christian Bale.
Some people just want to see the world burn, Mr. Wayne.
And, you know, I don't know about calling on the angel of death or anything like that.
That's between Alex and God and you and God and me and God to contemplate.
But there's absolutely no question that we are being faced with evil at the highest levels.
The level of Satan.
The ultimate adversary to good and God's plan.
dan friesen
It's so funny that they're taking this very, very seriously.
They're calling out the angel of death.
But we've seen plenty of characters who are evil for the sake of evil, like a whole lot of the religious canon.
But also, Chase is fundamentally misunderstanding the Joker.
He's taking Alfred's words to Bruce Wayne as being the Joker's actual motivation, but in reality, the Joker doesn't just want to watch the world burn.
He doesn't share a value system with people like Alfred, so saying that he's evil for the sake of being evil is the simplest way to engage without threatening the security of your worldview, and that's what Chase is doing here.
I don't know.
It's really, really funny to hear a ding-dong say something like, we've never seen that until the Joker in the Christopher Nolan Batman.
jordan holmes
I am a flabbergasted person most of the time.
The most flabbergasting thing...
I just...
I don't know how to process Chase.
I just don't.
dan friesen
I know!
jordan holmes
It is like some sort of, like, cheat code.
dan friesen
He's weird in a different way.
jordan holmes
It is a different thing.
This is a completely different thing from what we have experienced on this show.
And I feel like we've experienced a lot of different things on the show.
dan friesen
Quite a bit.
jordan holmes
We've seen all kinds of different things on the show.
dan friesen
We've seen a lot of things with Visavi Project Camelot.
We've seen people come and go at InfoWars.
jordan holmes
Totally.
dan friesen
This is different.
He's different.
jordan holmes
He's different!
What is going on?
Somebody fix it!
dan friesen
Here's what's so troubling about this.
He's not different in a way that it's like he's Neo.
He's not the one.
jordan holmes
He's not revealing anything.
dan friesen
Or even the one who's clearly the successor to Alex.
I think he would fall flat on his face.
But it's just different.
He's different.
jordan holmes
He's just a dude, man.
At the end of the day, I think Chase is just a dude.
dan friesen
So, he is a dude, and he's a dude who thinks that there's a time for violence.
And this brings Alex back into the floor.
jordan holmes
There we go.
chase geiser
Violence is not the answer, certainly not yet.
Sometimes violence is the answer.
In Ecclesiastes, it says there is a time to kill.
Of course, one of the Ten Commandments is thou shalt not murder.
But then in Ecclesiastes, it says there's a time to kill.
jordan holmes
Belief is hard.
chase geiser
There's a difference between killing and murder.
And what we saw on Saturday was...
Not an attempt to kill President Trump.
It was an attempt to murder President Trump.
It was successful in murdering others.
It was an assassination.
Go ahead.
alex jones
And Chase, the Bible's 100% clear on this, and of course you know this, but people may not.
Murder means kill somebody that's innocent.
Like, go kill your neighbor because you want to have sex with his wife.
chase geiser
Right.
alex jones
A time to kill.
The Bible says many times there is a time to rise up and kill.
It says when your enemy comes in to your village, he tries to come into your home with a sword to kill you.
unidentified
Pick up your sword and kill him.
alex jones
Christ said after the Romans came in the Garden of Gethsemane, he said, no, it's not the time for the swords right now.
But he goes, sell your cloak and buy a sword because that time is coming.
He's saying it's better to be in your underwear and have a sword than to not have a sword.
And so absolutely, that's what this is all about.
And that's why the Bible is so deep.
It has so many meanings.
And the greater your discernment is, and the older you get, I mean, I...
unidentified
I don't know what...
dan friesen
I think that what drew me to that clip is Chase starting to talk about violence, and that's when Alex is like, I'm coming back.
jordan holmes
Right in and in.
dan friesen
He was drawn back into this after Chase is just rambling about the Joker and all this stuff, and that's where Alex is like, yep, I'm back.
jordan holmes
I'm in.
I'm in.
Yeah, you're right.
There is a time to kill.
dan friesen
And I'm going to talk about how it's biblical.
jordan holmes
Yep.
And that means it's okay, and you should not feel bad if you want to kill.
dan friesen
And this leads, Alex, into a long stretch of...
Violent ideation?
Not really, actually.
It's more of this.
alex jones
It's time to let the globalists know that no matter what happens, no matter what you do, in the end, you're going to pay for what you've done, and I want you to know that.
unidentified
And I want you to understand and see my war face.
alex jones
And I want you to know my will's a thousand times stronger than yours ever will be, and our people's will is a thousand times stronger, and our God is infinity stronger.
Now, the point is, is that we're going to have to bring in some sponsors because there's no product left, and we're going to have to do the t-shirts.
dan friesen
Yeah, so it's kind of the violent ideation.
There's a little bit of that, but it is also...
So crass and so transparently used in service of promoting Dr. Jones Naturals and his new Trump Got Shot shirt.
jordan holmes
Man.
dan friesen
So it's a little bit...
alex jones
Yeah.
dan friesen
It feels cheap.
jordan holmes
You know, there is something to be said, actually, about that being a very calming thing.
You know, like...
Everybody's very much riled up, but there's a lot of intense rhetoric around the election, and obviously there's real shit going on, but there's still ads.
dan friesen
I would be more scared of Alex if there weren't ads.
jordan holmes
There's still ads.
And not just Alex's ads, like Target is advertising during the RNC or whatever.
It can't be that terrible if there's still ads.
Nobody's fighting a nuclear war and then still like, hey, brought to you by...
Doe down!
dan friesen
See, but that to me, actually, I can't abstract that.
jordan holmes
Sure.
dan friesen
I can see a situation where World War III is brought to you by Dove Soap.
jordan holmes
Yeah, that's fair.
dan friesen
Or something.
jordan holmes
That's fair.
dan friesen
I can see that.
jordan holmes
That is fair.
dan friesen
I think it's more so penetrating of Alex's mythos and his, like, just kind of his whole thing when he does that, like, the point is...
We need...
jordan holmes
Yes, we need money.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dan friesen
You know, like, that to me is so...
Like, if he didn't have that and it was all pure, look at my war face.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
I would be more scared of that.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
I'm still scared of the RNC with ads.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I mean, in a certain way...
I just, you know, I thank God Alex doesn't actually believe in God.
dan friesen
I think Alex thanks God he doesn't believe in God.
jordan holmes
Yeah, right?
dan friesen
So Alex starts talking about Trump and how he's the king.
But not the king.
jordan holmes
Not the king.
dan friesen
Not like Elvis.
jordan holmes
Let's not say king, king.
dan friesen
No, he does say king.
jordan holmes
Oh, really?
dan friesen
But it's like a chess metaphor.
alex jones
Okay, so he's the king.
Anybody that plays chess knows you protect the king.
Okay, so we don't want the king in the first move going out to the center of the board.
You keep the king over here in the back, and you protect him, and you move pieces around with him.
So, look, Trump, we all know you're a badass, okay?
I know people that know Trump well.
He was always smart enough not to get in fights.
A few times, big guys messing with him, whatever, he would just grab and twist them around, put their head in the ground.
dan friesen
I thought that was you.
alex jones
He was a big Scott German bull, okay?
That guy's a frickin' bull, all right?
But the point is, bullets still kill bulls, okay?
I've sat there, shot bison with a deer rifle, and boy, let me tell you, they fell right over.
And so...
We need to understand that, and he needs to be protected.
So if Trump wants to roll the dice and do this, fine.
But in the age of media, in the age of systems, if he was in there doing Oval Office-type addresses, fireside chats every night for an hour, and talking directly to the people, he would do a thousand times better than these events.
And I think people should go to the events and just chant, We love you, now go.
Forget standing ovation, just say we love you, now leave.
We love you, now leave.
unidentified
Leave, leave, leave, leave, leave, leave until he gets off the stage.
alex jones
Bullshit.
dan friesen
Yeah, so Alex wants people to chant leave at Trump at rallies.
jordan holmes
Man, this is an episode for the ages.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
This is one of the more incoherent things that is...
dan friesen
Well, it makes sense in some context.
unidentified
Sure.
dan friesen
Because Alex believes that the Secret Service will try and kill Trump again.
jordan holmes
Right, right, that's true.
dan friesen
So the rallies are too dangerous.
So he should just be doing fireside chats.
But this is not new.
The fireside chat idea is what he's been saying for years.
Yeah, yeah.
So it's kind of boring.
alex jones
I do like the idea of chanting, leave!
jordan holmes
I love it.
dan friesen
We love you, but leave!
jordan holmes
I think what's so interesting about this is that idea of Protect the King.
I don't know why I started watching it.
A lot of people started watching chess during the pandemic.
And Magnus Carlsen is the greatest chess player who ever lived, who's a human being.
And then they made all the chess programs that play chess against each other and are like ten times better than any human being.
And so Magnus starts studying all of these things.
And what he finds out is that the machines have gone, there's no need to protect the king.
The king is also part of the game.
It is only people who instinctively want to protect the king because they feel like it's the most important part.
dan friesen
Right.
jordan holmes
Right?
dan friesen
Well, it is that which can end the game.
unidentified
Right.
dan friesen
So you give undue import to it.
jordan holmes
Exactly.
Yep.
Fascinating.
So even this thing Alex thinks is the most obvious thing that everybody agrees on is wrong.
dan friesen
Well, it's also interesting because you have this formulation of you've got to protect the king.
And while Alex discusses this, it becomes too clear that he does not actually think of Trump as the king.
alex jones
Why do we guard nuclear weapons?
Because you don't want to get them in the wrong hands.
Trump has got to be guarded because he is a...
Weapon.
And you keep a fine sword sheathed and oiled and ready for when you've got to use it.
You don't just wrang it out, start hacking up the furniture and throwing it in the street and pissing on it, stomping on top of it.
Okay?
And so that's all I'm saying.
Trump is a sword.
We need to get him into office on January 21st, 2025, and then he needs to use the executive power of the pen to take all these people out, Trump is a weapon.
dan friesen
He's not the king.
He's something that can be wielded as a weapon.
The reason you protect him is because...
If someone takes out that weapon, you can't use it.
jordan holmes
You don't have a weapon anymore.
dan friesen
There's no agency that Trump is being given in this.
It is, I believe that I have some agency over Trump and how he's used as a weapon.
That's the importance that Trump has for Alex.
And I think people have said similar stuff a long time, and Alex has been like, no, he's chosen by God to be our ruler.
It's just such silly bullshit.
You realize this in moments like this.
It's like, you don't actually love Trump.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
You just know that he's dangerous to the people that you want hurt.
jordan holmes
Right.
Which is essentially saying something along the lines of...
Trump is a front man for a shadowy group of people who actually make the decisions and tell him what to say.
dan friesen
Yeah.
It's just it's gone from consortiums on the East Coast and the mob and what have you to now it's extreme right-wing politics that I support.
jordan holmes
A conspiracy is fine as long as it's our conspiracy.
unidentified
Yep.
dan friesen
And I think that it's great that Alex has made peace with that.
I guess.
Sort of give him some therapy through that.
jordan holmes
Yeah, I think Chase is against conspiracies.
dan friesen
I think he thinks he is.
jordan holmes
I don't know what Chase thinks at all.
dan friesen
Neither do I. So we got one last clip here, and it's Alex talking about how when the shit hits the fan, people are going to kill Zuckerberg in his Hawaiian mansion.
But not Alex.
alex jones
And I guarantee you, people like Zuckerberg's bunkers.
Are going to be tombs.
And I'm not saying I'm coming to get Zuckerberg.
I'm saying the people of Hawaii literally are waiting.
I mean, everybody tells me.
White people, Asians, Hawaiians.
I mean, last time I was in Kauai, I probably had people 50 times say, when the shit hits the fan, we're going to get Zuckerberg.
I mean, you're literally like Frankenstein's castle with the villagers all around you, and they hate you.
I mean, you're an idiot.
Now, if everything went down...
If everything went down in Hawaii, they loved me there.
The chief, all of them.
The real chief.
They all loved me.
jordan holmes
I got a place like that.
alex jones
Because I'm honorable.
And you're not.
You're scum, buddy.
So you understand that.
That's a microcosm.
dan friesen
That is a microcosm.
Yep.
So Alex is honorable.
And so the chief likes him.
unidentified
I don't like this.
dan friesen
It's weird.
jordan holmes
I mean, does Alex not realize he's rich?
dan friesen
Yeah, but he's not that kind of rich.
jordan holmes
Sure, but nobody's Alex kind of rich.
Alex is closer to Zuckerberg kind of rich than 99% of us are.
dan friesen
That is true.
Yeah, but he's honorable.
jordan holmes
I mean...
Best of luck if honor is what you're going to hang your hat on, I guess.
dan friesen
Look, I am somebody who lived in Hawaii for a little bit.
It's been a long time, so I don't pretend to be an expert or anything like this.
But when I was there, I do know that there is a Hawaiian sovereignty movement, and there are people that do believe that King Kamehameha and Queen Liliokalani were unjustly taken off the throne, and the United States is not rightfully Running Hawaii as a state.
jordan holmes
Fair point of view.
dan friesen
Sure.
I don't think that there's a chief of Hawaii.
jordan holmes
No, there is probably not.
dan friesen
I think that Alex is pretending that there's just a secret tribal structure that runs everything.
jordan holmes
Yeah.
dan friesen
And he's cool with them.
jordan holmes
I think...
He's a racist.
dan friesen
I think so.
But more what I think is that Alex probably ran into some weirdos while he was in Hawaii.
And maybe one of them was like, I know the chief.
You're good.
jordan holmes
Could be.
dan friesen
And they maybe cracked a few beers.
And he's now decided that he speaks for the chief.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
jordan holmes
Oh, boy.
dan friesen
Yeah.
jordan holmes
I don't like that at all.
dan friesen
No, it's...
jordan holmes
I don't think anybody in Hawaii wants Alex there.
dan friesen
No, probably not.
jordan holmes
And I don't think anybody wants Zuckerberg there either, but I think they would be more interested in being like, chanting, go away, please leave, please leave, please leave, than they would be in like, I guess...
How big is his estate?
It'd take you a mile and a half to walk there.
dan friesen
And who knows exactly where underground the retout is.
jordan holmes
Just go!
I don't want to have to find you.
dan friesen
I don't know.
I just think this is a little bit silly.
But not nearly as silly as Alex taking very seriously the notion of calling down the angel of death.
jordan holmes
But not for Zuckerberg.
dan friesen
He hasn't done that yet.
jordan holmes
No, well, I mean, but he's like, hey, these people would go after Zuckerberg.
I'm not going to use my angel of death powers on people I think are evil.
I'm going to use my angel of death powers on Biden?
dan friesen
Right.
Who you think is on death's doorstep already.
jordan holmes
Who you think is run by Zuckerberg, I guess?
dan friesen
But here's the problem.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Alex is so, like...
Full of shit with the things that he says.
Calling down the angel of death is really upon everybody.
jordan holmes
It is, isn't it?
dan friesen
Like, when he says, even if he's saying, like, against Biden or whatever, that also means against...
jordan holmes
It means Trump, too.
unidentified
Mayors.
jordan holmes
It means everybody, yeah.
It means everybody that's pissed me off today.
It is me personally, right?
dan friesen
I have mind bullets, and I'm going to use them.
jordan holmes
Oh my god, he does have mind bullets.
That's what he's saying.
He's saying, I'm going to shoot my mind bullets with you.
dan friesen
And, you know, devoid of any other external context, it's silly.
But in the world we live in, where there are people who, you know, caught into Alex's philosophy of...
I am the one who carries out God's vengeance.
jordan holmes
Yep.
dan friesen
It's very dangerous.
And this is a real shitty way for things to turn on his show.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
But, you know, when the former president gets shot and you're on vacation, what are you going to do?
jordan holmes
Yeah.
I mean, I...
Oh, boy.
That clip, again, that one makes me feel much more comfortable.
That there are ads in the clip before that.
Like, oh, okay.
Right, right, right, right.
I get you.
Angel of Death, totally right.
Dr. Jones, I guess we're all going to do it then.
Bignaturals.com.
Do you know what I'm saying?
I guess that's how it's going to go.
At the very least, Angel of Death is accompanied by everybody writing in Dr. Jones Big Naturals as a policy walk name.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan friesen
Yep.
So that's the...
He's going to go for the Angel of...
Increased sales.
That's who's pranked.
jordan holmes
Yeah, exactly.
dan friesen
I don't know.
Anyway, we'll be back with another episode.
But until then, we have a website.
unidentified
Indeed we do.
jordan holmes
It's knowledgeright.com.
dan friesen
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Neo.
I'm DZX Clark.
I'm the Mysterious Professor.
jordan holmes
Woo!
unidentified
Yeah!
Woo!
Yeah!
Woo!
steve quayle
And now here comes the sex robot.
alex jones
Andy in Kansas.
You're on the air.
Thanks for holding.
jordan holmes
Hello, Alex.
I'm a first-time caller.
unidentified
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
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